A short documentary film about one of the true heroines of American science, Genie Scott of the National Center for Science Education, who has dedicated her life to making sure that evolutionary science isn’t forced out of US schools by the dishonest creationist forces of darkness. Bravo, Genie!
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:31:10pm |
Watching now. Thanks for posting I had not seen this one.
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pingjockey Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:34:22pm |
Charles posted the thread about the nutbar having a fit about a textbook 2 threads back. This lady needs a bag full of clue bats to go to Texas and deal with the idjits on the textbook board there!
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albusteve Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:36:45pm |
a small, innocuous hero...the people we need to depend on...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:38:57pm |
re: #2 pingjockey
Charles posted the thread about the nutbar having a fit about a textbook 2 threads back. This lady needs a bag full of clue bats to go to Texas and deal with the idjits on the textbook board there!
Cluebats don't work on fundies like that. You can't pound clues into crazy that thick.
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Obdicut Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:43:30pm |
And a reminder of some people she was fighting against:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:44:42pm |
I wonder what Genie's religious affiliation is. I would think she's probably an atheist.
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The Curmudgeon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:50:23pm |
Thanks for posting this, Charles. It's so good I'm going to post it at my place too. But not until tomorrow morning.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:56:55pm |
Lovely video! Her name is so familiar. Was she on a PBS program?
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Racer X Fri, Apr 9, 2010 7:57:33pm |
So what are we drinking?
I just finished another one of these and have a nice buzz going.
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:04:22pm |
re: #10 marjoriemoon
Lovely video! Her name is so familiar. Was she on a PBS program?
Yes, the one about the Dover Decision, it was NOVA iirc
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:06:17pm |
re: #12 Thanos
Yes, the one about the Dover Decision, it was NOVA iirc
Could be. I found this one done in 2001 on PBS called Evolution.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
But I watch Nova so maybe the other!
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:08:25pm |
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:13:01pm |
Woo Fest
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:14:22pm |
So often it comes down to dedicated individuals. Not the government, not the company or NGO, but the very individuals. True dedication will out.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:15:19pm |
re: #17 Rightwingconspirator
So often it comes down to dedicated individuals. Not the government, not the company or NGO, but the very individuals. True dedication will out.
AMERICA.
/well, i suppose it is. o:
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:16:55pm |
re: #18 laZardo
Really I think this transcends country. Greatness has no borders.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:17:26pm |
Government busted in cover up scandal! (not from a right wing blog)
Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report
In an unusual last-minute edit that has drawn flak from the White House and science educators, a federal advisory committee omitted data on Americans' knowledge of evolution and the big bang from a key report. The data shows that Americans are far less likely than the rest of the world to accept that humans evolved from earlier species and that the universe began with a big bang.
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Board members say the decision to drop the text was driven by a desire for scientific accuracy. The survey questions that NSF has used for 25 years to measure knowledge of evolution and the big bang were "flawed indicators of scientific knowledge because responses conflated knowledge and beliefs," says Louis Lanzerotti, an astrophysicist at the New Jersey Institute of Technology who chairs NSB's Science and Engineering Indicators Committee.The explanation doesn't appear to have soothed White House officials, who say that the edit—made after the White House had reviewed a draft—left them surprised and dismayed. "The Administration counts on the National Science Board to provide the fairest and most complete reporting of the facts they track," says Rick Weiss, a spokesperson and analyst at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
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The section, which was part of the unedited chapter on public attitudes toward science and technology, notes that 45% of Americans in 2008 answered true to the statement, "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals." The figure is similar to previous years and much lower than in Japan (78%), Europe (70%), China (69%), and South Korea (64%). The same gap exists for the response to a second statement, "The universe began with a big explosion," with which only 33% of Americans agreed.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:20:33pm |
re: #19 Rightwingconspirator
Really I think this transcends country. Greatness has no borders.
If only because most of the rest of the developed world accepts evolution as fact.
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:21:20pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
Did they poll the middle east?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:21:20pm |
So... I'm beat... I was back down hill today because the karate school I sometimes do IT work at BLEW UP SOME MORE FILES, after I fixed the files they blew up yesterday.
On the was back up hill around 1:30 this afternoon, I stop by the supermarket where I work part time to check out NEXT WEEKS SCHEDULE, and I find out they screwed up the schedule and I was suppose to be in at 12:30pm TODAY.
So, I rush home, change into my "uniform" run back to the store and stood at a register until 8:30pm...
Like I say... I'm beat.
So, everyone is going to have to fix everything that is wrong on the internet without me tonight.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:24:02pm |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
So... I'm beat... I was back down hill today because the karate school I sometimes do IT work at BLEW UP SOME MORE FILES, after I fixed the files they blew up yesterday.
On the was back up hill around 1:30 this afternoon, I stop by the supermarket where I work part time to check out NEXT WEEKS SCHEDULE, and I find out they screwed up the schedule and I was suppose to be in at 12:30pm TODAY.
So, I rush home, change into my "uniform" run back to the store and stood at a register until 8:30pm...
Like I say... I'm beat.
So, everyone is going to have to fix everything that is wrong on the internet without me tonight.
{Walter}
We'll try to keep up our end.
You just do the best you can.
How's the job going?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:24:18pm |
re: #22 Rightwingconspirator
Did they poll the middle east?
I think the only Islamic country in the poll is Turkey which comes in last place. We are second to last last.
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:27:59pm |
A surprising number would get the question wrong not because they don't believe in evolution, but because they misunderstand it. They think we evolved from monkeys rather than from some previous species from which monkeys also evolved.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:29:26pm |
OT
Before the Great Toyota Crash 'n Burn, there was...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:35:55pm |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
So... I'm beat... I was back down hill today because the karate school I sometimes do IT work at BLEW UP SOME MORE FILES, after I fixed the files they blew up yesterday.
On the was back up hill around 1:30 this afternoon, I stop by the supermarket where I work part time to check out NEXT WEEKS SCHEDULE, and I find out they screwed up the schedule and I was suppose to be in at 12:30pm TODAY.
So, I rush home, change into my "uniform" run back to the store and stood at a register until 8:30pm...
Like I say... I'm beat.
So, everyone is going to have to fix everything that is wrong on the internet without me tonight.
We'll take it easy on you Walter, we're just glad to have you around.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:36:21pm |
Carl Sagan - Cosmos Edited for Rednecks
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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:36:50pm |
Acceptance of evolution in developed countries. The US is second-to-last. Only Turkey is worse.
Absolutely horrible.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:37:00pm |
Jeannie, lives in a bottle
Jeannie, she wears pajamas...
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:37:46pm |
...come descended from monkeys!
Warning, this clip's a bit long.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:39:11pm |
re: #31 Charles
Acceptance of evolution in developed countries. The US is second-to-last. Only Turkey is worse.
Absolutely horrible.
Maybe cold weather makes ya smarter. Iceland, Denmark, Sweden...
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:41:19pm |
re: #31 Charles
Acceptance of evolution in developed countries. The US is second-to-last. Only Turkey is worse.
Absolutely horrible.
There are more "not sure" answers too. What would make you say "not sure" other than plain ignorance?
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:44:10pm |
re: #31 Charles
Acceptance of evolution in developed countries. The US is second-to-last. Only Turkey is worse.
Absolutely horrible.
Contrary to the established teachings of Lao Stinky, I honestly believe that religiousness has a LOT to do with this. If you notice, belief in evolution as your chart states is inversely proportional to a belief in God.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:44:12pm |
re: #27 laZardo
OT
Before the Great Toyota Crash 'n Burn, there was...
Before that? There was the Pinto.
Extra credit? Burned up Nazis.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:44:48pm |
re: #26 Escaped Hillbilly
A surprising number would get the question wrong not because they don't believe in evolution, but because they misunderstand it. They think we evolved from monkeys rather than from some previous species from which monkeys also evolved.
both are true statements, though...
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:50pm |
re: #7 laZardo
I wonder what Genie's religious affiliation is. I would think she's probably an atheist.
Who cares?
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:54pm |
re: #9 The Curmudgeon
Thanks for posting this, Charles. It's so good I'm going to post it at my place too. But not until tomorrow morning.
Stop being lazy. Get it up now. ;-P
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:47:56pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
I think the only Islamic country in the poll is Turkey which comes in last place. We are second to last last.
And I imagine Turkey's on the list because they have a school system equivalent to those in the West.
The shanda is that as rich and educated as we are in the States, we should go on choosing ignorance with such glee. A bunch of goatherds in Yemen have an excuse. We're just acting dumb.
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laZardo Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:50:01pm |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
And I imagine Turkey's on the list because they have a school system equivalent to those in the West.
The shanda is that as rich and educated as we are in the States, we should go on choosing ignorance with such glee. A bunch of goatherds in Yemen have an excuse. We're just acting dumb.
I'm curious. How much is evolution accepted in Israel?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:50:15pm |
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:50:16pm |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
So... I'm beat... I was back down hill today because the karate school I sometimes do IT work at BLEW UP SOME MORE FILES, after I fixed the files they blew up yesterday.
On the was back up hill around 1:30 this afternoon, I stop by the supermarket where I work part time to check out NEXT WEEKS SCHEDULE, and I find out they screwed up the schedule and I was suppose to be in at 12:30pm TODAY.
So, I rush home, change into my "uniform" run back to the store and stood at a register until 8:30pm...
Like I say... I'm beat.
So, everyone is going to have to fix everything that is wrong on the internet without me tonight.
Better check the hardware.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:51:08pm |
re: #44 Cannadian Club Akbar
If life was a movie, mine would rule!! Evening Honcos!!
Florida's in the house-
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:51:20pm |
re: #40 Stanley Sea
Who cares?
It's kind of the way most of the "come descended from monkeys" crowd tries to marginalize anyone who disagrees with them. "Oh, they're atheists." I agree, who cares what her religious affiliation is. (Except of course, those morons do care.)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:51:47pm |
I have evolved into the perfect idiot.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:51:58pm |
re: #23 Walter L. Newton
So, everyone is going to have to fix everything that is wrong on the internet without me tonight.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute here. Did the pr0n disappear or something.
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:53:16pm |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute here. Did the pr0n disappear or something.
no, i can still see Walter's silk robe/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:54:21pm |
re: #51 Aceofwhat?
no, i can still see Walter's silk robe/
If he's smoking a pipe, I'm outta here.
//
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:58:33pm |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have evolved into the perfect idiot.
You've devolved into Sarah Palin?
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:59:16pm |
re: #43 laZardo
I'm curious. How much is evolution accepted in Israel?
I don't know stats. Assume it's probably on a par with Europe, except among some of the more extreme religious groups.
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:59:29pm |
re: #43 laZardo
I'm curious. How much is evolution accepted in Israel?
Evolution is taught in Israel as it is in Jewish schools here in the U.S. There are some who disagree with it, but the controversy isn't quite the same because Jewish belief and evolution find ways to co-exist.
I dug this up that helps explain. heh
[Link: www.myjewishlearning.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:00:44pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
You've devolved into Sarah Palin?
//
My boss is political. It's very cool. He's center/left and I am a bit center/right. But we've known each other 13 years. We have the best conversations.
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Stanghazi Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:01:48pm |
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Aceofwhat? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:02:09pm |
re: #56 marjoriemoon
Evolution is taught in Israel as it is in Jewish schools here in the U.S. There are some who disagree with it, but the controversy isn't quite the same because Jewish belief and evolution find ways to co-exist.
I dug this up that helps explain. heh
[Link: www.myjewishlearning.com...]
Even sadder, considering these clods in the US are reading the same creation story, essentially. Sigh.
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:05:19pm |
re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have evolved into the perfect idiot.
"If only. My father was a complete idiot. I'm just a half-wit."
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:55pm |
re: #59 Aceofwhat?
Even sadder, considering these clods in the US are reading the same creation story, essentially. Sigh.
What we see in trying to get creationism taught in public school is really a carry over from getting in school prayer. That took a long time and went no where so the idea is to make it a science. Then it has to be taught. It's not possible for that to happen.
I believe in Israel, there are public secular schools (no mandatory religion taught) and public religious schools (mandatory Torah study). Muslims, Christians and Catholics have private schools if they want to have their own religious study.
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hellosnackbar Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:37:22am |
What a lovely gentle educated lady.
And she has to spend time in battle against the forces of ignorance.
Still she says she has the best job in the world.
I'm happy that she's happy.
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SilverFrog Sat, Apr 10, 2010 9:41:54am |
The world needs more Genies. We sure don't want to keep this one bottled up.
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 10, 2010 10:36:25am |
re: #64 SilverFrog
The world needs more Genies. We sure don't want to keep this one bottled up.
Welcome, hatchling.
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Pepper Fox Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:01:52am |
When I saw the title I thought it was going to be about that girl they found in southern cali who was basically one of those "wild children" with no social development at all.
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Kathianne Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:45:44pm |
I don't know if all US Catholic dioceses require evolution to be taught in science class, but I do know that the diocese of Joliet does. It also requires that in religion classes that it be taught that the Catholic Church teaches an interpretative version of the Bible, not literal. However, in religion classes the alternative 'theories' of creation may be addressed. Yet, the scientific evolutionary theory must be emphasized.
Considering the news about the Church in the last few weeks, thought I'd mention this.
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