Glacier National Park Loses Two More Glaciers

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Apparently the moving mountains of ice in the Rocky Mountains haven’t gotten the right wing message that global warming is a hoax, because Glacier National Park may soon need to change its name to “Ex-Glacier National Park:” Two More Glaciers Melt in Rockies.

Glacier National Park has lost two more of its glaciers and many of the rest may be gone by the end of the decade, a U.S. government researcher said.

Warmer temperatures have reduced the number of named glaciers in the Montana park to 25, Dan Fagre, an ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, said. Its largest remaining glacier is Harrison Glacier, which is about 465 acres, or 190 hectares, in size.

Some glaciers, such as in the Himalayas, could hold out for centuries. But more than 90 percent of glaciers worldwide are in retreat, with major losses in Alaska, the Alps and the Andes, researchers said. Ski resorts set atop glaciers in the Alps have taken measures to stave off the decline.

The area of the Rocky Mountains within Glacier National Park once boasted about 150 glaciers.

Reached for comment, wingnut blogger Hatey McHateful said, “Who cares? Fire up the F250, Sarah, we need some milk from the supermarket! Hurr hurr…”

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138 comments
1 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:58:01pm

I really hope these people are still around so we can sacrifice them to whatever deities we still have after global warming destroys our civilization. Their willful ignorance in the face of worldwide catastrophe is maddening.

2 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:58:17pm

I believe I once saw someone once suggest that certain people won’t care about Global Warming till it forces ski resorts to raise their prices sky high as making snow becomes more and more costly….

3 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 8:59:53pm

re: #1 laZardo

I really hope these people are still around so we can sacrifice them to whatever deities we still have after global warming destroys our civilization. Their willful ignorance in the face of worldwide catastrophe is maddening.

What makes you think that we won’t create entirely new deities after our civilization collapses?

Place the non believer on the alter of the Tuna God Albert whose prophet tried to warn us!

4 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:00:20pm

That’s really sad. Glacier National Park is a beautiful place!

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:01:12pm

Leave it to the Federal Government to lose a fucking glacier.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:02:03pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leave it to the Federal Government to lose a fucking glacier.

LOL!
No, they “lost” two!

7 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:02:22pm

re: #3 jamesfirecat

What makes you think that we won’t create entirely new deities after our civilization collapses?

Place the non believer on the alter of the Tuna God Albert whose prophet tried to warn us!

There is no god but Algore, and Michaelmoore is his prophet.

8 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:03:13pm

im an independent, but if voting democrat means i get a longer ski season out of it, i say obama/biden 2012.

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:03:38pm
Apparently the moving mountains of ice in the Rocky Mountains haven’t gotten the right wing message that global warming is a hoax

They heard it, but they refuse to listen. You see, the moving ice mountains have been indoctrinated with the leftist propaganda that completely dominates academia, public schools, and Hollyweird.

/I hear they have even begun to think critically about certain aspects of their parent’s faith. :shiver:

10 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:04:09pm

re: #7 laZardo

There is no god but Algore, and Michaelmoore is his prophet.

Umm… you missed my joke. Prince Albert in a Can= A kind of Tuna, now what was the full first name of Bill Clinton’s VP?

11 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:04:36pm

teddy roosevelt would personally kick sean hannity and rush limbaugh’s asses for fucking with the beauty of the west. what a RINO i guess he was.

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:05:17pm

re: #6 Floral Giraffe

actually, that was pretty damn funny. I’m still giggling.

YAY! ME!

13 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:06:13pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Umm… you missed my joke. Prince Albert in a Can= A kind of Tuna, now what was the full first name of Bill Clinton’s VP?

Albert Arnold?

/so there’s a Governator joke there too?

14 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:06:31pm

re: #11 SpaceJesus

teddy roosevelt would personally kick sean hannity and rush limbaugh’s asses for fucking with the beauty of the west. what a RINO i guess he was.

Then he’d get shot.

And then make a speech about it.

15 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:06:46pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Umm… you missed my joke. Prince Albert in a Can= A kind of Tuna, now what was the full first name of Bill Clinton’s VP?

LOL, now I get it!

16 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:08:18pm

re: #14 laZardo

Then he’d get shot.

And then make a speech about it.

and give the speech while still bleeding. what a bleeding heart liberal.

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #14 laZardo

Then he’d get shot.

And then make a speech about it.

TR was fierce. He scare the wingnuts so badly that they’d not try anything with him. He’d also put Glenn Beck over his knee and spank Beck like the overgrown schoolboy Beck is. He’d really give Beck something to cry about.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

actually, that was pretty damn funny. I’m still giggling.

YAY! ME!

It’s OK. We all shared your pie & cake, on a silly thread earlier today.
Happy Friday, Veggie!

19 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:09:29pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

LOL, now I get it!

Yeah except that it turns out Prince Albert is a kind of Tobacco rather than Tuna after I google it, but why let facts get in the way of a good joke?

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:10:25pm

My, look at the time.

G’night Jim-Bob!

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:10:49pm

Drill baby, drill!

22 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:10:50pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

If you have to explain the joke….

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

It’s OK. We all shared your pie & cake, on a silly thread earlier today.

Must’ve been Baked Alaska.

Bwahahaha! I kill me sometimes.

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:31pm

Glaciers have a well-known liberal bias.

//I can’t believe this has become so politicized. Well, I can. But still…

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:11:46pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

Yeah except that it turns out Prince Albert is a kind of Tobacco rather than Tuna after I google it, but why let facts get in the way of a good joke?

Just call the local bowling alley and ask if they have 9 pound balls. Then ask where the buy their pants. All will be restored.
/

26 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:08pm

Ron Paul is suggesting that Obama should appoint Andrew Napolitano to the Supreme Court.

Yes, the guy who called Alex Jones, “The one, the only, the GREAT Alex Jones.”

27 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:38pm

re: #26 Charles

Ron Paul is suggesting that Obama should appoint Andrew Napolitano to the Supreme Court.

Yes, the guy who called Alex Jones, “The one, the only, the GREAT Alex Jones.”

Napolitano….. I think I had that ice cream flavor once…

28 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:57pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Glaciers have a well-known liberal bias.

//I can’t believe this has become so politicized. Well, I can. But still…

well…they are cold…and they look down on me…

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:57pm

re: #26 Charles

Charles? You can be pretty confident, it ain’t gonna happen.

30 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:12:57pm

re: #26 Charles

The worst are full of passionate intensity again I see.

31 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:32pm

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just call the local bowling alley and ask if they have 9 pound balls. Then ask where the buy their pants. All will be restored.
/

Don’t go making phony calls
Please stick to the seven digit numbers you’re used to
I know you think its funny driving folks right up the wall,
Hope that you grow out of it fast,
Grow out of it fast!

32 Gus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:13:44pm

The first time I visited Glacier National Park was in 1976. It was one of the most awe inspiring moments in my life.

The last time I visited was in 1992. It was still awe inspiring but to me it seemed as though the color of the deep blue skies were gone. I was headed east and once I crossed over the divide and left the forested areas there was a layer of smog that permeated the eastern plains and prairie of Montana.

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:14:38pm

re: #26 Charles

Ron Paul is suggesting that Obama should appoint Andrew Napolitano to the Supreme Court.

Yes, the guy who called Alex Jones, “The one, the only, the GREAT Alex Jones.”

In reply, President Obama laughed at Congressman Paul, then went back to looking at candidates who are actually qualified.

/Admit it, you wish Obama would laugh at that blowhard.

34 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:15:59pm
Ski resorts set atop glaciers in the Alps have taken measures to stave off the decline.

What? How? Why aren’t the sharing this technology with the rest of us?

36 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:17:20pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

In reply, President Obama laughed at Congressman Paul, then went back to looking at candidates who are actually qualified.

/Admit it, you wish Obama would laugh at that blowhard.

He called Kanye West a jackass. I bet he would, just not on camera.

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:17:34pm

re: #14 laZardo

Then he’d get shot.

And then make a speech about it.

With the bullet still in his chest.

38 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:17:49pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

He can’t. All elected officials above the level of dog catcher have to have their sense of humor surgically removed. They are allowed to have them restored if they retire…sometimes.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:18:06pm

I want to go to bed… but I can just hear one of those Bob Newhart telephone call skits…

Park ranger to his Supervisor…

Uh… hi boss, yeah. Oh. You heard about the missing glacier? Heh… yeah, well, we’re not exactly sure it’s lost…

40 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:18:14pm

i eagerly await my appointment to the SC

41 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:18:34pm

There used to be hundreds of glaciers in the park, now there’s like 25.

42 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:19:27pm

Heh! Now, Janet Napolitano would be interesting. Or Elena Kagan…

Between the SCOTUS & the mid-terms this is going to be an interesting summer. Yow!

William

43 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:09pm

Another Hate Church in the News

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]


44 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:11pm

good work, all. sleepytime.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:42pm

re: #42 wlewisiii

Heh! Now, Janet Napolitano would be interesting. Or Elena Kagan…

Between the SCOTUS & the mid-terms this is going to be an interesting summer. Yow!

William

Joe Biden. Hillary has VP in 2012.

46 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:20:56pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

i eagerly await my appointment to the SC


“in a surpising 5-4 decision today authored by justice spacejesus, the supreme court has held that the federal government’s interest in imprisoning conservatives for the good of humanity outweighs any habeas corpus rights conservatives might have, paving the way for Obama’s sweeping re-education camps for america’s worst political class”

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:21:01pm

re: #43 Thanos

Dove World Outreach Center


lol

48 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:21:40pm

re: #44 Aceofwhat?

good work, all. sleepytime.

Nighty, ace.

49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:22:12pm

re: #43 Thanos

Another Hate Church in the News

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]

[Video]

That’s the church supported by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

50 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:22:43pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Time for me to get some sleeps, but that diatribe about the Gay candidate for mayor is probably out there on teh woo tubes somewhere.

51 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:22:55pm

re: #42 wlewisiii

Heh! Now, Janet Napolitano would be interesting. Or Elena Kagan…

Between the SCOTUS & the mid-terms this is going to be an interesting summer. Yow!

William

My $5 says Kagen. She’s buttressed her conservative cred. defending Bush era policies as S.G. Her record on civil rights is already making some on the left squirm.

52 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:03pm

re: #41 Conservative Moonbat

There used to be hundreds of glaciers in the park, now there’s like 25.

at the end of the little ige age…

The park’s glaciers have been slowly melting since about 1850, when the centuries-long Little Ice Age ended. They once numbered as many as 150, and 37of those glaciers eventually were named.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

53 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:04pm

re: #49 Charles

Think they had a pastor flip or change somewhere too. Not sure if that’s the same guy who talks to God while he’s jogging that I recall. This is a newer nutball.

54 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:05pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck Believes Gay Handicapped Black Female Immigrant WillShould Be Obama’s Supreme Court Nominee


Why must headlines be misleading to shock and appall. It is ignorant enough not to need to be dressed up and that annoys the heck out of me.

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:24:31pm

re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar

Joe Biden. Hillary has VP in 2012.

Or Hillary for the court! Would that explode a few heads?

William

56 laZardo  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:25:18pm

Lunchtiem. Laters.

57 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:25:51pm

Yep, that’s Spencer right in with those hatefucks .

58 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:25:57pm

re: #54 Escaped Hillbilly

Why must headlines be misleading to shock and appall. It is ignorant enough not to need to be dressed up and that annoys the heck out of me.

It’s Huffpo, it’s a freakin’ tabloid. They’d sensationalize algae blooms.

59 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:27:02pm

re: #53 Thanos

Think they had a pastor flip or change somewhere too. Not sure if that’s the same guy who talks to God while he’s jogging that I recall. This is a newer nutball.

Meaning newer nutball than the one they had at the start of the Rifka bary bullshit

60 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:27:22pm

There’s a really good historical diary about the confederacy up at the GOS.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:27:38pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

They heard it, but they refuse to listen. You see, the moving ice mountains have been indoctrinated with the leftist propaganda that completely dominates academia, public schools, and Hollyweird.

/I hear they have even begun to think critically about certain aspects of their parent’s faith. :shiver:

I was going to ask who the parents of glaciers are, but then it occurred to me:

The seasons alter: hoary-headed frosts
Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
And on old Hiems’ thin and icy crown
An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
Is, as in mockery, set. The spring, the summer,
The childing autumn, angry winter change
Their wonted liveries, and the mazèd world,
By their increase, now knows not which is which.
And this same progeny of evils comes
From our debate, from our dissension.
We are their parents and original.

Will someone get Oberon and Titania back together before this gets even worse?

62 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #54 Escaped Hillbilly

Why must headlines be misleading to shock and appall. It is ignorant enough not to need to be dressed up and that annoys the heck out of me.

Either way its pretty funny to hear Glenn Beck talk about how the far left is losing the middle left so intends to get them back in line through hatred and fear….

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #11 SpaceJesus

teddy roosevelt would personally kick sean hannity and rush limbaugh’s asses for fucking with the beauty of the west. what a RINO i guess he was.

An extremely ass-kicking RINO, though.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #26 Charles

Ron Paul is suggesting that Obama should appoint Andrew Napolitano to the Supreme Court.

I quite literally almost did a spit take reading that. Unbelievable.

65 little boomer  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:29:07pm

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 is no longer the hottest year ever. 1934 is.
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order 8/7/2007
Year Old New
1934 1.23 1.25
1998 1.24 1.23
1921 1.12 1.15
2006 1.23 1.13
1931 1.08 1.08
1999 0.94 0.93
1953 0.91 0.90
1990 0.88 0.87
1938 0.85 0.86
1939 0.84 0.85

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:29:09pm

re: #28 Aceofwhat?

well…they are cold…and they look down on me…

Glaciers are liberal elites?

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:30:09pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck Believes Gay Handicapped Black Female Immigrant Will Be Obama’s Supreme Court Nominee

I hate having to click on things to check if they’re The Onion, and then discovering that they aren’t.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:30:25pm

re: #36 laZardo

He called Kanye West a jackass. I bet he would, just not on camera.

Well, Kanye West IS a jackass.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:30:51pm

re: #42 wlewisiii

Heh! Now, Janet Napolitano would be interesting. Or Elena Kagan…

Between the SCOTUS & the mid-terms this is going to be an interesting summer. Yow!

William

I wanted Kagan, last go-round.

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:31:09pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate having to click on things to check if they’re The Onion, and then discovering that they aren’t.

Yeah, it’s so hard to tell these days.

71 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:31:12pm

re: #62 jamesfirecat

Every time he speaks I wonder where he left his squeaky nose and floppy shoes.

72 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:31:42pm

re: #65 little boomer

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 is no longer the hottest year ever. 1934 is.
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order 8/7/2007
Year Old New
1934 1.23 1.25
1998 1.24 1.23
1921 1.12 1.15
2006 1.23 1.13
1931 1.08 1.08
1999 0.94 0.93
1953 0.91 0.90
1990 0.88 0.87
1938 0.85 0.86
1939 0.84 0.85

Why are you coming straight over from a denier blog and posting that crap here?

73 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:32:17pm

re: #43 Thanos

Go ACLU…to hell.

74 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:32:42pm

re: #65 little boomer

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 is no longer the hottest year ever. 1934 is.
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order 8/7/2007
Year Old New
1934 1.23 1.25
1998 1.24 1.23
1921 1.12 1.15
2006 1.23 1.13
1931 1.08 1.08
1999 0.94 0.93
1953 0.91 0.90
1990 0.88 0.87
1938 0.85 0.86
1939 0.84 0.85

Get a dictionary and write the definition of the word “trends” 25 times

75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:33:45pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

There’s a really good historical diary about the confederacy up at the GOS.

That writer gives Longstreet a bit more credit than he deserves, IMO. Longstreet was very good as a corps commander, but he would have failed in Lee’s job, since he lacked the aggression for independent command. The only such command he held that saw action was at Knoxville in 1963 and he failed to capture the city.

76 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:33:49pm

These idiots never stop with this nonsense.

77 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:34:07pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate having to click on things to check if they’re The Onion, and then discovering that they aren’t.


Would have been funnier I bet. Its getting so they almost can’t compete with the real wackiness though.

78 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:35:31pm

re: #76 Charles

These idiots never stop with this nonsense.


I was going to ask him what exactly he thought that meant, but you guys always beat me to it.

79 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:35:56pm

He just helps prove the point anyway to my mind

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com…]

80 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:36:47pm

re: #65 little boomer

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 is no longer the hottest year ever. 1934 is.
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order 8/7/2007
Year Old New
1934 1.23 1.25
1998 1.24 1.23
1921 1.12 1.15
2006 1.23 1.13
1931 1.08 1.08
1999 0.94 0.93
1953 0.91 0.90
1990 0.88 0.87
1938 0.85 0.86
1939 0.84 0.85

Um, those are US numbers, not global?

I hear they are giving away clues at places like OpenMind, Deltoid and RealClimate. You might go get one.

81 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:37:44pm

re: #78 Escaped Hillbilly

I was going to ask him what exactly he thought that meant, but you guys always beat me to it.

He has no idea what it means. He saw it at Anthony Watts’ anti-science blog and jumped right over here and posted it. We’re supposed to go, “Wow! I guess it IS a hoax!”

This, in a thread about Glacier National Park declining from 150 glaciers to 25.

Sheer idiocy.

82 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:39:22pm

… Ever stay up waaaayyyy past your bedtime because you are having too much fun reading things on LGF?

83 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:39:27pm

The other new article at hatewatch is also interesting considering the demagogy some are putting out vs. Pfleger and co. It’s purpose is to smear the liberal Catholic Church and create a rift I think. (Malkin, Corsi, WND crowd etc climbing aboard that train so maybe Pfleger will now replace Acorn or something as the Demon on the left.)

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]

84 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:39:57pm

re: #49 Charles

Gay-Bashing Church Could Lose Tax Exemption

God, please remove all these heathens and hatemongers from our tax roles…amen.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:40:41pm

re: #82 Joo-LiZ

… Ever stay up waaayyy past your bedtime because you are having too much fun reading things on LGF?

Too often.

86 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:40:47pm

re: #82 Joo-LiZ

… Ever stay up waaayyy past your bedtime because you are having too much fun reading things on LGF?


Does last night count? How about now?

87 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:41:10pm

re: #81 Charles

He has no idea what it means. He saw it at Anthony Watts’ anti-science blog and jumped right over here and posted it. We’re supposed to go, “Wow! I guess it IS a hoax!”

This, in a thread about Glacier National Park declining from 150 glaciers to 25.

Sheer idiocy.

He reminds me of Spar Kling and his drive-by creationism (before you banned that troll). He’s just posting baloney to bother us.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:01pm

I rarely post on AGW threads, but I did here tonight. I do my part with regards to energy use, recycling, and the such. That’s all I have. Good night.

89 Gus  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:07pm

re: #65 little boomer

According to the new data published by NASA, 1998 is no longer the hottest year ever. 1934 is.
Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C) in New Order 8/7/2007
Year Old New
1934 1.23 1.25
1998 1.24 1.23
1921 1.12 1.15
2006 1.23 1.13
1931 1.08 1.08
1999 0.94 0.93
1953 0.91 0.90
1990 0.88 0.87
1938 0.85 0.86
1939 0.84 0.85

That was debunked 3 years ago:

1934 warmest year on record?

Category: climate
Posted on: August 10, 2007 2:37 PM, by James Hrynyshyn

That portion of the blogosphere that takes no shame in including Ann Coulter in their blogrolls is all atwitter with the news that NASA has “silently” released adjusted temperature records showing that 1934 is the warmest year on record, not 1998 or 2005 or 2006. How will Al Gore, James Hansen and all the other “enviromoonbats” recover from this embarrassing revelation? Probably without breaking a sweat, I would think.

Many of the blogs make no distinction between “warmest year in American history” and “warmest year in world history.” And the difference, as you might expect, is more than a little significant. The revised list, from NASA, does indeed put 1934 as the warmest year — in the lower 48 contiguous members of the United State of America.

But the warmest year globally remains 2005, followed by 1998, 2002 and 2003 and 2004. And the of the 12 hottest years on record, only one — 1990 — does not occur in the last 12 years. (Thank you Mount Pinatubo)…

It would seem this pseudo-scandal started with the help of veteran climate change denialist Steve McIntyre, but my attempts to link to his work at climateaudit.org only generated a WordPress error…

Ah well. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now.

90 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:42:55pm

Bad news in W. Va. — the 4 missing miners have just been found dead.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:43:56pm

re: #90 Charles

Bad news in W. Va. — the 4 missing miners have just been found dead.

Baruch dayan emet.

92 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:45:09pm

re: #8 SpaceJesus

im an independent, but if voting democrat means i get a longer ski season out of it, i say obama/biden 2012.

That depresses me like hell, because I could see myself preferring them to what the Republicans put forward =( =(

Conservatives take back your movement before it’s too late! (Hopefully we aren’t there yet, although I bet a lot of Lizards think we are)

93 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:45:32pm

Now it’s time for me to really get some sleeps, night all

94 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:46:27pm

The glaciers have been retreating since the last ice age. This is just another phase in their retreat.

Ten thousand years ago, those glaciers reached to Texas.

/you knew the slash was coming, right?

95 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:46:48pm

re: #93 Thanos

Now it’s time for me to really get some sleeps, night all


[Video]

I think it’s time for me to hit the hay, too.

See y’all later!

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:47:18pm

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

I rarely post on AGW threads, but I did here tonight. I do my part with regards to energy use, recycling, and the such. That’s all I have. Good night.

There’s not much else individuals like you or I can do other than be, you know, conservative with our resources.

97 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:47:43pm

re: #90 Charles

Bad news in W. Va. — the 4 missing miners have just been found dead.

Sad but true: the miners who don’t die to gas, cave ins, accidents, and drowning end up dieing early from Silicosis, aka blacklung etc.
To the tune of 30-50 thousand per year.

98 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:49:58pm

re: #82 Joo-LiZ

… Ever stay up waaayyy past your bedtime because you are having too much fun reading things on LGF?

My bedtime is when I run out of beer.

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:53:24pm

re: #98 Conservative Moonbat

Ah, another resident of the Brewer’s Time Zone. Cheers! Checking my watch, I see it’s still Beer:30.

100 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 9:54:12pm

re: #90 Charles

Bad news in W. Va. — the 4 missing miners have just been found dead.

May the Lord receive their souls into Heaven and comfort their families.

101 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:02:58pm

re: #43 Thanos

Another Hate Church in the News

[Link: www.splcenter.org…]

The interesting part about that story for me is that the ACLU has taken up the defense of families who want to send their kids to school wearing T-shirts that say “Islam Is of the Devil”.

Thought experiment: A group of Stormfront parents send their kids to school with T-shirts reading “Jews Are a Plague on Society”. Would the ACLU defend them? Unfortunately I think it would be a tossup. Depending on how many innocuous crosses the ACLU had been able to force a county to remove from its seals that month, they might, or they might not.

Now, another thought experiment: A bunch of harmless, non-hate-filled Christians send their kids to school with T-shirts saying “Jesus Loves You”. Would the ACLU defend their right to wear such clothing? I think the answer is plain. No. Fucking. Way. In. Hell.

So, stirring up hate against Islam in schools is a right the ACLU will fight for. Maligning Judaism in the same way? We’d have to see about that. (Remember Skokie.) But saying something nice about Jesus - fuggedaboudit.

Could someone please explain the ACLU’s logic to me? I’m not drunk or stoned enough to get it.

102 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:03:21pm

re: #97 Thanos

Sad but true: the miners who don’t die to gas, cave ins, accidents, and drowning end up dieing early from Silicosis, aka blacklung etc.
To the tune of 30-50 thousand per year.

Is it really still that bad?

But even if it’s half that or less, that’s still another very good argument why nuclear power is safe enough compared to the alternative that we should go ahead like gangbusters and build a bunch of advanced-design fuel-recycling nuclear power plants.

103 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:04:45pm

re: #101 Cato the Elder

The interesting part about that story for me is that the ACLU has taken up the defense of families who want to send their kids to school wearing T-shirts that say “Islam Is of the Devil”.

Thought experiment: A group of Stormfront parents send their kids to school with T-shirts reading “Jews Are a Plague on Society”. Would the ACLU defend them? Unfortunately I think it would be a tossup. Depending on how many innocuous crosses the ACLU had been able to force a county to remove from its seals that month, they might, or they might not.

Now, another thought experiment: A bunch of harmless, non-hate-filled Christians send their kids to school with T-shirts saying “Jesus Loves You”. Would the ACLU defend their right to wear such clothing? I think the answer is plain. No. Fucking. Way. In. Hell.

So, stirring up hate against Islam in schools is a right the ACLU will fight for. Maligning Judaism in the same way? We’d have to see about that. (Remember Skokie.) But saying something nice about Jesus - fuggedaboudit.

Could someone please explain the ACLU’s logic to me? I’m not drunk or stoned enough to get it.

Um…. would shirts that say Jesus Loves You need defending from a lawsuit in the first place?

104 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:05:29pm

re: #103 jamesfirecat

Um… would shirts that say Jesus Loves You need defending from a lawsuit in the first place?

Are you joking?

105 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:07:11pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

Are you joking?

Its late at night and I am a little scatter brained, but I’ll believe people will get sued for wearing shirts that say “Jesus Loves You” when I see it….

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:09:48pm

re: #101 Cato the Elder

I’m reasonably sure the ACLU would take up for the Jesus Loves You shirts.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:12:15pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

It all sounds very strange. To the best of my knowledge, children on campus do not enjoy the same first amendment rights that grown adults do in the public square.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:13:29pm

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

It all sounds very strange. To the best of my knowledge, children on campus do not enjoy the same first amendment rights that grown adults do in the public square.

The ACLU tends to push, and they have never liked it that grade-school campuses legally do infringe on students’ First Amendment rights.

109 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:15:02pm

re: #105 jamesfirecat

Its late at night and I am a little scatter brained, but I’ll believe people will get sued for wearing shirts that say “Jesus Loves You” when I see it…

You’ve got the story backwards. A bunch of kids showed up at a public school wearing T-shirts maligning Islam as demonic. They were sent home under dress-code regulations, not sued.

The ACLU is suing the school on behalf of these families’ “right” use their kids to make blatantly disruptive, bigoted religious statements at school.

Maybe my third example was too innocuous. Let’s say two-score kids show up at a public school with shirts that say “Jesus Is Lord!” - clearly an organized effort on the part of the parents. Can you really not imagine a school sending them home for dress-code violations? I certainly can.

What I can’t imagine is the ACLU taking their case.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:17:35pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t schools get to set dress codes, arbitrary or otherwise?

I recall that big first amendment flap over one school banning crucifixes because some were using different colored ones to signify what street gang they were in.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:18:39pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t schools get to set dress codes, arbitrary or otherwise?

I recall that big first amendment flap over one school banning crucifixes because some were using different colored ones to signify what street gang they were in.

Yes, schools can set dress codes. Some have been challenged successfully, most are no big deal.

112 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:20:03pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, schools can set dress codes. Some have been challenged successfully, most are no big deal.

Which is which I’m incredulous that the ACLU would take up the case of a bunch of haters manipulating their kids into wearing “Islam Is of the Devil” T-shirts to school.

I honestly just don’t get it.

113 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:24:02pm

re: #109 Cato the Elder

You’ve got the story backwards. A bunch of kids showed up at a public school wearing T-shirts maligning Islam as demonic. They were sent home under dress-code regulations, not sued.

The ACLU is suing the school on behalf of these families’ “right” use their kids to make blatantly disruptive, bigoted religious statements at school.

Maybe my third example was too innocuous. Let’s say two-score kids show up at a public school with shirts that say “Jesus Is Lord!” - clearly an organized effort on the part of the parents. Can you really not imagine a school sending them home for dress-code violations? I certainly can.

What I can’t imagine is the ACLU taking their case.

I think that they would, or that the issue wouldn’t come up… but at the moment we’re both just playing “I think” and its really late at night for me to be playing that game….

114 lostlakehiker  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:24:55pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

The ACLU tends to push, and they have never liked it that grade-school campuses legally do infringe on students’ First Amendment rights.

Well, technically, dress codes are not an infringement of rights that children in any case do not enjoy. An adult may use foul language and other adults may not wash their mouths out with soap, for example.

115 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:27:04pm

Well, basically, I think the ACLU have lost their minds, much like PETA.

Both groups can take a short walk off a shorter plank.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:28:53pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

I had a teacher in Junior High that would not allow heavy metal band shirts in her class. Even if it was nothing more than the band’s name, that was overtly satanic enough for her, and she would not countenance it.

You had three choices:

1. Remove the shirt (but only if you had something else to wear, she wasn’t a pervert!)
2. Turn the shirt inside out
3. Be banished from the classroom and reported

Students like myself obviously registered protest, but she had the backing of the school.

117 Lidane  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:30:15pm

Glaciers? Pfft. Who cares about all that snake oil science stuff when we’ve got Caribou Barbie to set us all straight:

Palin blames ‘Gore-gate’ for ‘this snake oil science stuff’

*sigh*

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:30:49pm

re: #112 Cato the Elder

It is strange, and I don’t get it either. Do you have a link to this story, perchance?

119 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:35:34pm

re: #117 Lidane

Glaciers? Pfft. Who cares about all that snake oil science stuff when we’ve got Caribou Barbie to set us all straight:

Palin blames ‘Gore-gate’ for ‘this snake oil science stuff’

*sigh*

Not only that but look at how she says it, dear god lady you can’t even string a coherent sentence together! Try thinking then speaking… or would that require you to think for the first time in your life?

(Too mean?)

120 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:37:13pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

It is strange, and I don’t get it either. Do you have a link to this story, perchance?

As I recall the ACLU exists to protect everyone’s right to free speech, not just that of nice people, they exist to protect the free speech of people who belong to the Klan and those who the Klan would try to silence by shouting them down. Its not exactly a glamerous job that win you a lot of friends but somebody has to do it.

121 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:39:30pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

True to a point, but as we have established, school children do not enjoy the full measure of first amendment rights on campus grounds. If they did, school uniforms would be illegal.

122 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:40:46pm

re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth

True to a point, but as we have established, school children do not enjoy the full measure of first amendment rights on campus grounds. If they did, school uniforms would be illegal.

True enough, and its too late at night for me to debate a complicated topic like this this late at night, I just think Cato is wrong when he suggests that the ACLU wouldn’t stand up for kids who got sent home for wearing clothing that only supports Jesus, I could be wrong, but we won’t know for sure till such an event takes place, will we?

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:43:28pm

re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth

True to a point, but as we have established, school children do not enjoy the full measure of first amendment rights on campus grounds. If they did, school uniforms would be illegal.

The ACLU pushes the limits. Always has. They don’t always accept that what the courts have said already stands.

We had a situation at one of the schools I worked at, and the ACLU came in. What they said and what our lawyer said was a bit at odds.

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:51:09pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

I’d like to read more of the actual story before I make any further conclusions. It sounds very strange.

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

The ACLU pushes the limits. Always has. They don’t always accept that what the courts have said already stands.

True, but sometimes that is necessary. If not for that kind of attitude, it might still be illegal for me to marry outside of my skin color in certain states.

125 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:56:16pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

It is strange, and I don’t get it either. Do you have a link to this story, perchance?

See comments 43 and 49 on this thread.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 10:57:19pm

re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth

I’d like to read more of the actual story before I make any further conclusions. It sounds very strange.

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but sometimes that is necessary. If not for that kind of attitude, it might still be illegal for me to marry outside of my skin color in certain states.

Oh, I have no real problem with them. They are quite evenhanded in the cases they pick up, hence they offend basically everyone, sooner or later. Contrary to popular belief, they do not only back liberal groups, and some of their work has been excellent.

The descent of the ACLU on my seriously hippie charter school was FUNNY. I enjoyed the whole thing a great deal.

127 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:02:00pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I have no real problem with them. They are quite evenhanded in the cases they pick up, hence they offend basically everyone, sooner or later. Contrary to popular belief, they do not only back liberal groups, and some of their work has been excellent.

The descent of the ACLU on my seriously hippie charter school was FUNNY. I enjoyed the whole thing a great deal.

I stopped supporting them (with donations) after the ridiculous waste of money and time they staged to remove that teensy-weensy cross from the L.A. County seal.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:05:43pm

re: #125 Cato the Elder

See comments 43 and 49 on this thread.

The links in either go here and here, respectively.

I see no immediate mention of the ACLU suing a school over the right to wear that t-shirt in either link. What am I missing?

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:06:56pm

re: #127 Cato the Elder

I stopped supporting them (with donations) after the ridiculous waste of money and time they staged to remove that teensy-weensy cross from the L.A. County seal.

Reasonable.

I have occasionally wanted to bother them to make a test case out of the name of the state of Maryland, but I’m too fearful that they would take me up on it.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:09:04pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

The links in either go here and here, respectively.

I see no immediate mention of the ACLU suing a school over the right to wear that t-shirt in either link. What am I missing?

Here’s the ACLU’s blog on the topic.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 9, 2010 11:21:07pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

While school officials have a responsibility to both protect students and ensure that all students are able to pursue their education free of disruption, harassment, discrimination and intimidation, they failed here by banning free speech. Regardless of the offensive nature of the message on the shirts, it is protected speech.


[SNIP]

The ACLU, which has a rich history of defending religious freedom, is seeking a court order so that the students can begin wearing the shirts to express their religious viewpoint. The views of these students may be in the minority, but that is precisely why they need protection: so their views are not trampled by the majority. Free speech for one; free speech for all.


[SNIP]

Wow. These kids are simply not allowed to wear certain types of clothing while on school grounds. Hardly a trampling of their first amendment rights.

The Florida ACLU needs to learn how to pick it’s battles.

132 fizzlogic  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:50:25am

re: #26 Charles

Ron Paul is suggesting that Obama should appoint Andrew Napolitano to the Supreme Court.

Yes, the guy who called Alex Jones, “The one, the only, the GREAT Alex Jones.”

My realization Judge Napolitano is a nut happened during the Schiavo fiasco. He kept repeating over and over there is a culture of death out there. As if that was some great, concrete argument someone with his credentials could make. Even though all he was doing was echoing Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, that’s what we need on the court.

133 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 6:38:16am

re: #132 trendsurfer

My realization Judge Napolitano is a nut happened during the Schiavo fiasco. He kept repeating over and over there is a culture of death out there. As if that was some great, concrete argument someone with his credentials could make. Even though all he was doing was echoing Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, that’s what we need on the court.

You’re missing the important portion of his stance. While he may be personally pro-life his belief was that Terri didn’t want to live in that vegitative state and the Judge hated the congressional intrusion into the schiavo case. He’s right, it wasn’t the federal governments place to stick their nose into the situation. I have no idea if that was “echoing Rush Limbaugh” but somehow I seriously doubt it.

Heaven forbid we have 1 justice on the side of the people and the constitution over the state. Whoever Obama puts on the court will be a pro-state jurist who will continue to find excuses to give the feds whatever power they believe they should have regardless of the constitutionality.

I haven’t figured out how to embed mp3’s so I’ll just post the link. Judge Napolitano interview RE: Schiavo:
[Link: beemp3.com…]

134 fizzlogic  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 7:03:34am

I’m only repeating what I saw Napolitano say repeatedly on a FNC show during the height of the affair. He was advocating against Schiavo’s husband and the Florida court with his nebulous argument that there is a culture of death out there. And he was echoing Rush Limbaugh. I listened to Rush since Bush I was in office. The “culture of death” argument is what he always reverts to since Dr. Kevorkian was in the headlines.

135 RogueOne  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 7:18:14am

re: #134 trendsurfer

I heard him say the same thing. The problem with your version of events is you left out the portion where he said how he would have ruled.

Napolitano described himself on the air as “fiercely” pro-life and said that “if I were king” he would remove Michael Schiavo from guardianship, make Terri’s parents guardian and order the feeding tube restored.

But he also said that the relevant transcripts, which he has examined, reveal that the Florida courts ruled that it was Terri’s actual desire, based on testimony by Michael Schiavo and others, all of whom were cross-examined, that she had legitimately expressed a desire not to be kept alive in the medical condition she came into.

As for the Congressional bill, Napolitano said there is no legitimate federal interest in this case whatsover. He went on to say that the 14th Amendment does not apply because first, due process under law has been followed because - as I wrote above - the legal situation is that the removal of the feeding tube violates Terri’s wishes, not Michael’s. Second, he said there is no case to be made that her protections under federal law have been violated.

i.e., If there were no evidence she would have wanted to be removed he would have ordered the feeding tube restored but since the courts determination was that she would have wanted to be removed from life support, the courts decision was the correct one and congress should have kept their noses out of it. I don’t have a problem with people holding different personal views, what bothers me is when they decide the courts should enforce those views even when they don’t have the authority to do so.

136 Sashland  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 11:26:35am

been lurking on and off since faux-photo, finally got registered, so I guess I’ll jump in here because one of the spectacular highlights of my life was the helicopter flight over Glacier NP 10 years ago. Adrenalin on Steroids!

The loss of the glacier mass is undeniable. The historic ebb and flow and beginning date of current declines suggests that earth has its own agenda. The recent acceleration suggests that man may be exacerbating the situation. Relative causality and efficacy of human solutions are the unproven (and possibly unprovable) parts; my “faith” in government expertise and integrity limit my enthusiasm for rushed and expensive speculative “fixes”.

My approach is to check and cross-check, and still keep a skeptical view of “information”; sadly our media and elites have divided into “camps” that manage debates and fair evaluators are hard to find. So I do a lot of compare and contrast. I generally find that this gets both “sides” mad at me for not signing on the agenda and being a good convert.

I recall that the decline of the Glaciers began long ago…
So, here is some information that gives me some clues:
from [Link: www.nrmsc.usgs.gov…]

“While the glaciers that carved GNP’s majestic peaks were part of a glaciation that ended about 12,000 years ago, current glaciers are considered geologically new, having formed about ~7,000 thousand years ago. These glaciers grew substantially during the Little Ice Age (LIA) that began around 1400 A.D and reached their maximum size at the end of the LIA around A.D.1850. Their maximum sizes can be inferred from the moraines left behind (Key, 2002), which provide a scientific baseline for comparison to current glacial extent.”

Key words: “reached their maximum size … around A.D. 1850”

hence my conclusion, no supposition, that we are likely dealing with natural cycles that are possibly exacerbated by man. Everyone wants it to be simple; its not simple.

Clearly it is a cause for concern and has serious implications but I hope we don’t screw up our response and make things worse.

137 [deleted]  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:06:23pm
138 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:14:07pm

re: #137 lifeobs

And with that, I bid you adieu.


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