1 | freetoken Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:51:52pm |
The clouds tell me that rain is coming…
Wish the roof didn’t leak.
2 | freetoken Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:54:34pm |
Sun’s rays pierce those clouds,
On a cold spring day, April,
They bring May’s flowers.
3 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:55:44pm |
I think my kitty likes the photo. As soon as the page loaded, she gave a little trill as she gazed forward.
4 | freetoken Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:59:40pm |
re: #3 eclectic infidel
Did you realize that teh kitteh is now an Apple authorized accessory?
5 | Querent Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:23:21pm |
6 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:32:28pm |
Time for me to get the bed. Sleep well, alll
9 | CuriousLurker Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:28:23am |
If anybody’s still out there, I have a question: At what point does a hatchling become a lizard? Length of time since registration? Number of posts? Quality of posts? Proven ability to survive X number of bare-knuckled brawls without completely losing one’s dignity? A combination of the above?
Just curious, as always. ;o)
10 | Gus Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:32:55am |
Nate Phelps, son of Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) in his first television interview on the Canadian program, The Standard.
My name is Nate Phelps. I am one of the estranged children of Pastor Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church. I am assuming that you know about my father and his church if you have found your way to this site.
Since my father began his latest assault on some segment of the world in 1991, I have been approached from time to time, and asked to provide my perspective on this story. I have obliged, and a few more people are made aware of the dark, or should I say darker, side of my father…
11 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:39:36am |
re: #9 CuriousLurker
I cannot say definitively, but I would say that at the point that somebody takes up one of your posts, quotes it and/or and continues the thread based on it, then you are a member of the community.
13 | CuriousLurker Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:10:15am |
Gray skies are gonna clear up,
Put on a happy face!
Brush off the clouds and cheer up,
Put on a happy face!
Take off that gloomy mask of tragedy,
It’s not your style.
You’ll look so good that you’ll be glad ya decided to smile!
Pick out a pleasant outlook,
Stick out that noble chin,
Wipe off that full-of-doubt look,
Slap on a happy grin!
And spread sunshine all over the place,
Just put on a happy face!
14 | CuriousLurker Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:33:14am |
re: #10 Gus 802
That group is beyond vile. I wonder how people are able to carry around such venom without dropping dead from the toxicity of it…
15 | Varek Raith Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:38:34am |
Good morning and see you all in a few weeks or, perhaps, months.
My laptop is going, going, and soon to be, gone! :(
Backing up everything as I type.
Wheee!
16 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:00:08am |
19 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:42:00am |
21 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:48:57am |
April
Come she will
When streams are swelled and ripe with rain
May
She will stay
Resting in my arms again
- S&G
Good Morning LGF
22 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:02:58am |
Fools said I you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
- S&G
23 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:09:00am |
24 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:10:29am |
I can gather all the news I need on the weather report…
- S&G
25 | Eclectic Infidel Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:14:31am |
re: #14 CuriousLurker
That group is beyond vile. I wonder how people are able to carry around such venom without dropping dead from the toxicity of it…
Well, from their perspective, it’s normal. Besides, I think they feed off the publicity generated by their antics - heck it’s free advertising!
Seems I’ve got insomnia this morning.
See, you’re almost a lizard.
26 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:18:13am |
re: #24 Spare O’Lake
I can gather all the news I need on the weather report…
- S&G
You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind’s blowing….
27 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:12:42am |
Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:
Two billboards in Marsa advertising the Pope’s visit to Malta got the unlikely addition of two stencilled images of what looks like a panda. It is not clear why the “artist” in question juxtaposed the bears with the Pope. The organising committee was alerted yesterday morning and it plans to erase the images.
“Panda” print in question:
29 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:25:35am |
Oh cool. I just noticed that there are actually birds in our purple martin house this year. The thing has been up for almost 3 years and no bird has moved in.
30 | laZardo Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:34:23am |
re: #27 RogueOne
Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:
[Link: www.timesofmalta.com…]
“Panda” print in question:
[i-see-what-you-did-there-squint]
31 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:35:50am |
Y’all seen this? Found it yesterday. It’s for real.
Type your name in… there is a great chance that a lot of your information is here.
I didn’t want it there. I clicked privacy on the home page, and followed the directions, it went away.
32 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:36:40am |
33 | SixDegrees Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:41:27am |
re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Type your area code and phone number into Google and see what turns up.
They also have an option to block such information.
34 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:44:45am |
re: #33 SixDegrees
This one was kind of neat… you pay 5.00 per month, you will find out the person’s credit rating, income, a bunch of stuff.
I am thinking of signing up. That might cut out some of the bullshit in my appointment running.
35 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:45:56am |
I just tested myself, name and email, and although the general location was right the rest of the info was all wrong and pulled up other peoples info.
36 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:47:44am |
re: #35 Jadespring
It is a fairly new site, as I understand it, I also understand that once you get into the paid part of the site, the accuracy increases dramatically. Like I said, I’m thinking of signing up.
37 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:49:31am |
Watching “Sunrise Earth”; Aspendos, Turkey. Watching an 80 year old man pick oranges at the base of the “Siphon Towers”…
Gosh, I love this show.
39 | thedopefishlives Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:56:33am |
Good morning, Lizards. It’s been a while since I’ve come to hang out with you guys, but I’ve been very busy establishing myself in my new home. This weekend was project weekend: Planting, laying drainage pipe, repairing the dishwasher, and such like. Today it rains, which kinda puts a damper on all the activity, but at least I got done what needed to get done. Anything major explode while I was away?
40 | Sigma_x Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:01:06am |
Scott Brown disses the Tea Party.
That didn’t take very long, now did it?
41 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:06:05am |
42 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:06:13am |
This won’t go over well…
Bishop ‘blames Jews’ for criticism of Catholic church record on abuse
A furious transatlantic row has erupted over quotes that were attributed to a retired Italian bishop, which suggested that Jews were behind the current criticism of the Catholic church’s record on tackling clerical sex abuse.
A website quoted Giacomo Babini, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, as saying he believed a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism, considering how “powerful and refined” the criticism is.
The comments, which have been denied by the bishop, follow a series of statements from Catholic churchmen alleging the existence of plots to weaken the church and Pope Benedict XVI.
Allegedly speaking to the Catholic website Pontifex, Babini, 81, was quoted as saying: “They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers.”
The interview was spotted on Friday by the American Jewish Committee, which said Babini was using “slanderous stereotypes, which sadly evoke the worst Christian and Nazi propaganda prior to world war two”.
43 | CuriousLurker Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:07:47am |
re: #25 eclectic infidel
Well, from their perspective, it’s normal. Besides, I think they feed off the publicity generated by their antics - heck it’s free advertising!
Yeah, I guess normal is relative, but ewww. They do indeed get a lot of free publicity for such a small group.
See, you’re almost a lizard.
Hehehe, thanks.
44 | sandbox Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:09:10am |
re: #40 Sigma_x
Scott Brown is terrific. “We shouldn’t be paying for lawyers for terrorists, instead we should be paying for weapons to kill terrorists”. A great line.
46 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:03am |
Man, what a great nights sleep I got. Makes me look forward to nap time. Morning Honcos!!
47 | sandbox Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:30am |
re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And here we are 3 months after the Brown Senate victory and Obama and Holder still haven’t reversed policy on trying KSM and others in civilian rather than military courts.
48 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:46am |
re: #44 sandbox
Scott Brown is terrific. “We shouldn’t be paying for lawyers for terrorists, instead we should be paying for weapons to kill terrorists”. A great line.
Yeah when you catch them just buy a gun and shoot em. Who cares about any of that legal shyte.
49 | thedopefishlives Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:49am |
re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That what you kids are calling it these days?
Don’t I wish. In this case it’d be code for “Fixing what the previous homeowner spent an awful lot of time and money making a pig’s breakfast of.”
50 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:12:00am |
re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar
We get up at twelve, and go to work at one…
Take an hour for lunch and then at two we’re done
Jolly good fun!
51 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:12:41am |
Senator: Dropping ‘Islamic extremism’ term is ‘Orwellian and counterproductive’
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on Sunday called the administration’s proposal to avoid the term “Islamic extremism” in national security references “absolutely Orwellian and counterproductive.”
Lieberman revealed on “Fox News Sunday” that he had sent a letter to the president’s top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, saying in part: “The failure to identify our enemy for what it is, violent Islamist extremism, is offensive and contradicts thousands of years of accepted military and intelligence doctrine to know your enemy.”
The chairman of the Homeland Security Committee said the letter was the product of him growing “so frustrated” with the White House over the terminology issue. He said the Defense Department omitted references to “violent Islamist extremism” in its report on the massacre at Fort Hood.
“Clearly, from the record, [Nidal Malik Hasan] was motivated by Islamist extremism, and they didn’t mention that term there,” Lieberman said.
“This is not honest,” the senator said, adding that by dropping the clarification of extremism, “we disrespect the overwhelming majority of Muslims who are not extremists.”
Lieberman said that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were not carried out by “some amorphous group of violent extremists or environmental extremists or white supremacist extremists.”
“It’s absolutely Orwellian and counterproductive to the fight that we’re fighting at risk of great life every day to stop violent extremism of an Islamist base,” he said.
Damn right Joe! Calling Islamic terrorists something else doesn’t make the problem go away. This is an example of political correctness run amok.
52 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:14:33am |
re: #48 Jadespring
Yeah when you catch them just
buy atake the gun that you already own and shoot em. Who cares about any of that legal shyte.
Legally pronouncing them dead?
53 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:15:45am |
Cloverfield was just on. Caught the last fifteen… Dang it. Really liked the movie.
54 | rwdflynavy Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:17:33am |
Morning Lizards. I’m in Roanoke with my MIL who is having surgery on a broken arm today. I’ll be mooching the free wi-fi at the hospital all day.
FBV, Once I’ll be back in town most weekends helping her out, maybe we can grab another beer.
55 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:17:42am |
56 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:18:08am |
re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Legally pronouncing them dead?
Why bother with that. Country based on Laws is an outdated principle.
Back to Deadwood baby. Bad people? Just shoot em and chuck em into the pig pen.
57 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:19:36am |
IDF order will enable mass deportation from West Bank
A new military order aimed at preventing infiltration will come into force this week, enabling the deportation of tens of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank, or their indictment on charges carrying prison terms of up to seven years.
When the order comes into effect, tens of thousands of Palestinians will automatically become criminal offenders liable to be severely punished.
Given the security authorities’ actions over the past decade, the first Palestinians likely to be targeted under the new rules will be those whose ID cards bear home addresses in the Gaza Strip - people born in Gaza and their West Bank-born children - or those born in the West Bank or abroad who for various reasons lost their residency status. Also likely to be targeted are foreign-born spouses of Palestinians.
62 | Ericus58 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:27:51am |
What a great last round of the Masters! Good Morning all.
After getting up on the roof and clearing off the crap from the series of weather fronts that we had the past week - and playing with lawn care - I settled in to watch and was very happy to see the level of play. It’s not that these guys won’t hit a bad tee shot or putt, rather it’s how they recover to hole out.
Phil Mickelson was awesome, both from his play on the course and for the personal trails his wife and mother have experienced. Wonderful story.
Tiger? He’s a broken man, searching for self glory and coming up short.
Congratulations to Phil.
64 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:29:37am |
re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Let me guess… sarcasm?
Depends on whether I’m the one that has the ability to make the “pig penning” determination. ;)
66 | Ericus58 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:30:58am |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
APB!!! A monkey on the loose!!!
[Link: www.wtsp.com…]
LMAO!!
from the article:
“”It was extremely agile, like I’m talking Spiderman agile,” said Marc Ortiz after he tried tackling the monkey.”
No kidding! He’s a Monkey!
You just can’t make up stories like that, hilarious!
67 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:32:41am |
Teacher of the Year to go on trial…
www2.tbo.com
///
69 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:33:49am |
70 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:36:03am |
Hamas MP says Gaza authorities facing financial ‘crisis’
GAZA CITY (AFP) – A Hamas lawmaker said Monday that the Islamist group ruling Gaza was facing a financial “crisis” because of Egypt’s moves to seal its border and a boycott by local banks.
“The government is facing a crisis,” MP Jamal Nassar said in a statement. “The siege on the (Hamas-run) Palestinian government has been tightened recently and because of this it has been unable to bring in funds from abroad.”
Israel and Egypt have sealed Gaza off to all but very limited humanitarian aid since Hamas seized power in June 2007 after routing forces loyal to Western-backed Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.
I have this here small violin…
71 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:36:37am |
re: #64 Jadespring
I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.
But I have my personal “fringe” element also.
I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.
Love drones… danger for them, not for us…
The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.
Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.
72 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:38:03am |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.
But I have my personal “fringe” element also.
I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.
Love drones… danger for them, not for us…
The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.
Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.
War monger!
73 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:38:16am |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.
But I have my personal “fringe” element also.
I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.
Love drones… danger for them, not for us…
The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.
Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.
Why do you hate cotton candy?
/
74 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:40:24am |
re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why do you hate cotton candy?
/
Actually, I don’t care if you hate cotton candy. But I draw the line if you’re Anti-Footlong Corndogs. Just sayin’.
/
75 | rwdflynavy Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:12am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, I don’t care if you hate cotton candy. But I draw the line if you’re Anti-Footlong Corndogs. Just sayin’.
/
What are his thoughts on funnel cakes? I’m a big fan of cotton candy personally. Just stay away from the deep fried twinkies.
76 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:29am |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.
But I have my personal “fringe” element also.
I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.
Love drones… danger for them, not for us…
The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.
Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.
That’s fine. That’s war. That’s not the part of war that Brown’s comments were referring to though.
77 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:37am |
re: #68 laZardo
Headin’ to bed. Internship tomorrow. Nighty.
If you lived in the US? Obama’s trying to get you PAID!
78 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:42:23am |
re: #76 Jadespring
Oh, sure. Was just pointing out my “fukemup” stance.
79 | thedopefishlives Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:44:37am |
re: #75 rwdflynavy
What are his thoughts on funnel cakes? I’m a big fan of cotton candy personally. Just stay away from the deep fried twinkies.
Urgh. Deep fried Twinkies are sensory overload. Pork chops on a stick are the current reigning favorite fair food in the Fish household.
80 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:44:57am |
Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…
Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…
81 | thedopefishlives Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:45:35am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…
Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…
BIG FOOD IS RIPPING US OFF!
82 | rwdflynavy Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:45:37am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…
Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…
Small hands, smell like cabbage!
85 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:46:27am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…
Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…
Delicious, delicious murder!!!
86 | badger1970 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:47:50am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Partially true. (referring to HBO’s Carnivale).
87 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:49:13am |
re: #83 Jadespring
Deepfried butter! My favourite WMHD.
Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.
88 | rwdflynavy Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:49:30am |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Austin Powers!
But of course…
That’s what we Navy Pilots do when we aren’t flying or sleeping, watch movies.
89 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:50:55am |
Marco Rubio (running for Florida Senate seat) was just on my radio. We was asked if he wanted to back down from a statement he made about social security. (raising the age in a progressive way, tied to life expectancy) He said no. He will likely get my vote.
90 | Ericus58 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:51:27am |
Survivors’ tales, Iran dominate Holocaust day
“Melancholy music floated over the airwaves and tales of the fast-dwindling number of Holocaust survivors dominated the media as the world’s largest survivor community mourned the dead. Schools and military bases held memorial ceremonies, and restaurants, cafes and theaters were shuttered. During the two-minute siren heard across the land, drivers switched off their engines and others stopped their daily activities to stand at attention.”
91 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:52:37am |
re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar
Marco Rubio (running for Florida Senate seat) was just on my radio.
WeHe was asked if he wanted to back down from a statement he made about social security. (raising the age in a progressive way, tied to life expectancy) He said no. He will likely get my vote.
Oops.
92 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:53:32am |
re: #87 Kruk
Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.
Nothing wrong with occasional bad stuff. It’s one of the joys of life. I love the yearly jaunts to fairs because it’s great excuse to relish in the (healthwise) crappiest of foods. Now if fair food was a everyday fare that might cause some problems. :)
93 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:55:32am |
re: #92 Jadespring
Nothing wrong with occasional bad stuff. It’s one of the joys of life. I love the yearly jaunts to fairs because it’s great excuse to relish in the (healthwise) crappiest of foods. Now if fair food was a everyday fare that might cause some problems. :)
I actually thought about opening a place in the local mall named Fair Food. Good thing I only thought about it considering our mall is about to close.
94 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:56:37am |
Austin Powers: Only two things scare me and one of them is nuclear war.
Basil Exposition: What’s the other?
Austin Powers: Excuse me?
Basil Exposition: What’s the other thing that scares you?
Austin Powers: Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.
97 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:03:32am |
re: #27 RogueOne
Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:
[Link: www.timesofmalta.com…]
“Panda” print in question:
He’s saying the Pope is a Pandaphile?
98 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:07:14am |
Wow. “The Wall” is 30 years old.
spinner.com
99 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:08:51am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Gosh, imagine an Anglo trying to give a description for a police drawing…
Uh… Short, dark hair, beard, mustache, yeah! That’s him!
100 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:10:12am |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, imagine an Anglo trying to give a description for a police drawing…
Uh… Short, dark hair, beard, mustache, yeah! That’s him!
He works at my Dunkin Donuts!!
/Thanks, Joe!!
101 | Vambo Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:11:24am |
ut oh.
Afghan Civilians Attacked By NATO Troops: Four Killed, 18 Wounded In Kandahar
huffingtonpost.com
“They just suddenly opened fire, I don’t know why. We had been stopped and after that I don’t know what happened,” said Mohammad, his left eye was swollen shut and his beard and clothing matted with blood. Doctors said he had suffered a head injury but did not yet know how serious it was.
Within hours, scores of Afghans had blocked the main highway out of Kandahar city with burning tires, chanting “Death to America,” and calling for the downfall of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, himself a Kandahar native.
“The Americans are constantly killing our civilians and the government is not demanding an explanation,” said resident Mohammad Razaq. “We demand justice from the Karzai government and the punishment of those soldiers responsible.”
102 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:15:48am |
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
[breathing in]
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!
Radical Muslims attack pro-Muslim Member of British Parliament Galloway
Campaigning for re-election, pro-Muslim British Member of Parliament George Galloway and entourage were attacked, Saturday, by Radical Muslims from the Al-Muhajiroun organization.
First they taunted Galloway as a “filthy Kaffir” [a British racist epithet for dark-skinned natives.]
M.P. Galloway explains that he encourages Muslims to vote, whereas Al-Muhajiroun discourages them and does not believe in democracy. Three gang members were arrested. Galloway had been held hostage for a few days by the same gang during the 2005 election.
Galloway, recently discovered to have been a paid agent of Saddam Hussein, was known for anti-Israel and pro-Arab views (Prof. Steven Plaut, 10/11 from ).
Galloway also recently tried to bring supplies from Sinai into Gaza, but was blocked by Egyptian police as he sought entry through unauthorized portals.
103 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:17:46am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Bagels in the kitchenette. NOM!
104 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:21:55am |
Obama at new low in Gallup poll
President Obama’s job approval numbers have reached a new low in the Gallup daily tracking poll.
Obama now garners 45% approval and 48% disapproval. Of course, the one point difference from his previous low of 46% isn’t very significant, statistically speaking.
I thought he was supposed to get a bounce after passing ObamaCare™. What happened?
105 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:22:35am |
re: #97 ryannon
He’s saying the Pope is a Pandaphile?
Can’t go wrong with a well placed pedobear joke. The buttholes in the comments thread in the story gave it away.
106 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:22:40am |
re: #87 Kruk
Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.
Heart disease is a weird animal. Inheritance plays a huge part. My best friends’ family basically lives on oats and organic applesauce (i’m exaggerating, but not much) because otherwise they tend to have heart failure at 50, whereas i have low blood pressure and no history of problems on either side of my family. I can eat bacon with extra salt every day and see 90 years if it were up to my heart.
OTOH, it’s Parkinson’s which stalks my particular DNA strands…not a kind disease, that one…
107 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:28:39am |
US Weapons to Lebanon Despite Hizbullah Closeness
With the dividing lines between Hizbullah and the Lebanese Armed Forces not altogether clear, the United States has delivered weapons and ammunition to Israel’s northern neighbor and thereby possibly to its enemy.
The U.S. embassy in Lebanon announced last week that on April 2 it had delivered the first in a series of shipments of weapons and ammunition. The shipment included 1,000 M16A4 rifles, 10 missile launchers, 1,583 grenade launchers, and 538 sets of day/night binoculars and night-vision devices. It was stressed that the equipment would be supported with training provided by the U.S. government.
Lebanese Defense Minister Elias Murr visited Washington in February to discuss military cooperation, especially U.S. assistance to the LAF to fight terrorism.
A month ago, Minister Murr told Lebanese Al-Manar television that though he does not support integrating Hizbullah arms and forces within the LAF, “this does not mean we should offer Israel a favor [and disarm Hizbullah].”
Insinuating that the issue is not a matter of consensus, Murr said, “There are some [Lebanese] annoyed by [the existence of] Hizbullah’s arms, and I could be one of them” – but he acknowledged that Hizbullah’s weapons deter Israel. Murr is said to be one of the government ministers considered close to the President of Lebanon.
108 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:28:53am |
re: #106 Aceofwhat?
Heart disease is a weird animal. Inheritance plays a huge part. My best friends’ family basically lives on oats and organic applesauce (i’m exaggerating, but not much) because otherwise they tend to have heart failure at 50, whereas i have low blood pressure and no history of problems on either side of my family. I can eat bacon with extra salt every day and see 90 years if it were up to my heart.
OTOH, it’s Parkinson’s which stalks my particular DNA strands…not a kind disease, that one…
Genes are part of my problem. I have CHD and diabetes on both sides of the family. The only consolation is that we seem to *live* with these problems, not die from them.
109 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:31:42am |
re: #105 RogueOne
Can’t go wrong with a well placed pedobear joke. The buttholes in the comments thread in the story gave it away.
I was noticing the Catholic responses in that comment thread.
Several very PO’d people (as I am).
110 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:33:06am |
re: #109 reine.de.tout
I was noticing the Catholic responses in that comment thread.
Several very PO’d people (as I am).
Clarifying:
Several folks as upset with the Church and its response. Not the “pedobear”.
111 | Ericus58 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:38:28am |
Millions of unemployed may never recover
….
Never since the Great Depression has the U.S. labor market seen anything like it. The previous high in long-term unemployment was 26 percent in June 1983, just after the deep downturn of the early ’80s. The 44 percent rate this year translates into more than 6.5 million people.
In fact, nearly two-thirds of these workers actually have been jobless for a year or longer, new Labor Department reports show.
“I’m particularly concerned about that statistic, because long spells of unemployment erode skills and lower the longer-term income and employment prospects of these workers,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a Wednesday speech.”
……
112 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:39:04am |
re: #106 Aceofwhat?
You’re entirely right. Most of the reasons to keep yourself ‘healthy’ aren’t to avoid death, but just to have good quality of life along the way.
Smoking is less of an indicator of lung cancer than genetics, even.
And, in closing, I had a great-aunt who ate a whole fruit pie every day who’s sides were made from flour and lard, who lived to be 101. She was also an enormous jerk.
When I was a kid, I thought it was so stupid that she was a jerk, because she got a pie every day. I mean, what else do you want?
114 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:41:39am |
re: #112 Obdicut
You’re entirely right. Most of the reasons to keep yourself ‘healthy’ aren’t to avoid death, but just to have good quality of life along the way.
Smoking is less of an indicator of lung cancer than genetics, even.
And, in closing, I had a great-aunt who ate a whole fruit pie every day who’s sides were made from flour and lard, who lived to be 101. She was also an enormous jerk.
When I was a kid, I thought it was so stupid that she was a jerk, because she got a pie every day. I mean, what else do you want?
Sex with pie?
115 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:33am |
re: #112 Obdicut
I love the stories where a local news station will cover someone’s 100th birthday and they say they drink a glass of bourbon and have 2 cigars every day.
116 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:34am |
re: #114 Jadespring
Sex with pie?
Okay. That came out wrong….
Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.
117 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:35am |
Feds can’t find Somalis they say Va. man smuggled into U.S.
Federal authorities say they’re certain nearly 300 Somalis allegedly smuggled into the United States by a Virginia man who admitted contacts with an Islamic terrorist group are in the country, but they can’t find them despite a worldwide search for leads.
The search, first reported by the Washington Examiner, started in early February after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested Anthony Joseph Tracy on charges that he helped smuggle the Somalis into the United States from Kenya. The 35-year-old has since been indicted on charges of conspiring with Cuban Embassy officials in Kenya to help the Somalis illegally enter the United States. ICE Agent Thomas Eyre has testified that authorities are “concerned” about the contact Tracy admitted having with the Somali terrorist organization Al-Shabaab, an al Qaeda ally.
On Friday, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema questioned Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeanine Linehan about the status of the government’s search for the illegal immigrants.
“We have not identified anyone,” Linehan said. “We believe all the individuals are present in the United States. But by the virtue of [Tracy’s] successful smuggling scheme, we are having difficulty finding them.”
Eyre indicated in his testimony that authorities are trying to determine whether any of the Somalis are associated with Al-Shabaab.
118 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:44:25am |
re: #106 Aceofwhat?
I have a friend with ALS… diagnosed two months ago. Already has lost the ability to speak… took excellent care of himself.
All kinds of shit to get us… some of us it stalks more than others.
My dad’s 76, smoked for 40 years, quit 20 years ago (yep, started young). I got to their house on Easter Sunday, there’s an “Oxygen in use” sign on the door. Scared the crap out of me. CPAP… sleep apnea…
Mom? Never smoked, always took good care of herself… BAM! Cancer.
Go figure.
119 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:44:48am |
re: #116 Jadespring
Okay. That came out wrong…
Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.
oh, i thought you were making a SL joke from last night…
“you make sex with pie? ehhh?”
120 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:46:57am |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ugh. CPAP machines are tough. they work, but i’ve seen them…it’s like going to bed in a Darth Vader mask, minus the cool chokey powers and James Earl Jones voice…
121 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:08am |
Good morning, folks.
Word of advice… if you catch a mouse in your house, don’t tell your significant other that “it’s cute and you should see it”, because in their infinite wisdom they’ll try to pick it up, which will allow the mouse to escape right back into the house as it jumps away in terror.
At least the cats had fun stalking it last night, although I feel bad for the mouse as it’s now a carcass and not running free outside. C’est la vie.
122 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:32am |
re: #111 Ericus58
Millions of unemployed may never recover
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]
…
Never since the Great Depression has the U.S. labor market seen anything like it. The previous high in long-term unemployment was 26 percent in June 1983, just after the deep downturn of the early ’80s. The 44 percent rate this year translates into more than 6.5 million people.In fact, nearly two-thirds of these workers actually have been jobless for a year or longer, new Labor Department reports show.
“I’m particularly concerned about that statistic, because long spells of unemployment erode skills and lower the longer-term income and employment prospects of these workers,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a Wednesday speech.”
…
I would take a small issue with that view. Longer-term income prospects are eroded; for many, though, it will be because they’ve had a long stretch of unemployment, not because they can’t get back into the game and eventually be earning what they would have anyhow. Plus, it will take a bit of time to “catch up” to that earning potential (they’ll get it at a later age than the would have normally).
Where I have a big issue is with “skills”. Sure, they may ‘erode’, but most people pick the back up quickly once employed (or receive training that puts them past where they were).
This, I think, is the bigger problem for us right now:
At the same time, government revenues have fallen as Social Security, payroll and other tax receipts have shriveled with fewer jobs and lower earnings. That’s contributed to massive fiscal problems in many states. California already owes the federal government about $7 billion for unemployment-benefit loans and is getting deeper in the hole by the week.
123 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:49am |
re: #119 Aceofwhat?
oh, i thought you were making a SL joke from last night…
“you make sex with pie? ehhh?”
Hee. Well if that works then sure, it WAS an SL joke. :D
124 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:48:39am |
re: #116 Jadespring
Okay. That came out wrong…
Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.
Just 2?
LOL on me, then.
I need at least 6.
125 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:49:12am |
re: #120 Aceofwhat?
Nah, my point was, scared the shit out of me. I thought that the emphysema fairy had been to visit. Old son of a bitch is just snoring!
Mom and Dad don’t hide anything about their health, they just forget who they told, and it usually ain’t all of us (8 kids)…
Hell, I’d forget someone too.
127 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:49:36am |
re: #121 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, folks.
Word of advice… if you catch a mouse in your house, don’t tell your significant other that “it’s cute and you should see it”, because in their infinite wisdom they’ll try to pick it up, which will allow the mouse to escape right back into the house as it jumps away in terror.
At least the cats had fun stalking it last night, although I feel bad for the mouse as it’s now a carcass and not running free outside. C’est la vie.
Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.
128 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:50:44am |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
You should see how fast my fat ass can jump up on a chair. The word “eek” has actually been said by me.
129 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:50:46am |
Dutch death camp survivor knighted
Today is the 65th anniversary of the liberation by Canadian troops of Westerbork, the Nazi transit camp in the east of the Netherlands.
As part of the commemorations, Selma Engel-Wijnberg was made a Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau. Presenting the royal award, Dutch Health Minister Ab Klink praised her continuing determination to tell her story for the benefit of future generations. He also offered a formal apology on behalf of the Dutch government for the way she was treated after the war.
Now 87, Selma Engel-Wijnberg is one of the few Dutch survivors of Sobibor extermination camp in Poland and the only one still alive. On her return, she had problems with the Dutch authorities. Because she had married a Polish man, Chaim Engel, they no longer regarded her as a Dutch citizen and attempted to deport her. The couple emigrated to Israel and then to the United States.
A biography by journalist Ad van Liempt, entitled Selma, de vrouw die Sobibor overleefde (Selma, the Woman who Survived Sobibor), was also presented today.
130 | 2senseplain Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:16am |
re: #57 NJDhockeyfan
read it carefully. Cuts all kinds of ways. Could be used just as easily to deport Jewish Israeli residents that the Military Authority/Defense Minister wants out.
131 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:54am |
Darth Vader reference above…. I’ve been looking for an excuse to post this old chestnut, but still funny even if you’ve seen it before:
132 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:56am |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
Just 2?
LOL on me, then.
I need at least 6.
LOL. If I had 6 cups I’d be running up the walls. I usually have 1 then move onto something herbal or fruity (iced in the summer), then in the afternoon it’s nice pot of Earl Gray or Chai.
133 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:53:12am |
Scott Brown snubs Sarah Palin, bags Tea Party rally
U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, whose stunning victory in January was fueled in part by Tea Party anger, has snubbed the fiery grassroots group and declined its invitation to join Sarah Palin Wednesday at a massive rally on Boston Common, the Herald has learned.
Brown’s decision to skip the first big rally in Boston by the group whose members are credited with helping him win election has some experts saying he’s tossed the Tea Party overboard, as he prepares for re-election in 2012.
“He wants to mainstream himself before the election,” said Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist.
Brown, who took heat for the alleged misbehavior of some of his supporters at campaign events, may be trying to distance himself from what could be a volatile event, said political analyst Lou DiNatale.
“You’re worried at a rally that there’s a sign, a statement, an incident that’s certifiably cuckoo occurs,” DiNatale said.
“To win re-election, Scott Brown floating to the right is a serious problem.
“And showing up at a Sarah Palin, Tea Party event is not the way to the middle.”
[…]
Heh… do tell.
134 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:54:27am |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.
He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?
136 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:11am |
re: #134 Aceofwhat?
He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?
Daisy BB gun?
137 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:18am |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.
I’m still trying to figure out what possessed her to try and pick it up. Yes, cute baby mouse… but mouse nonetheless. This is what we can a “mental disconnect”.
138 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:46am |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You should see how fast my fat ass can jump up on a chair. The word “eek” has actually been said by me.
{FBV}
LOL.
I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.
I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them. Once, in college, it had been raining hard, and of course lots of earthworms came out of the ground and got onto the sidewalk. I saw a patch of ‘em up ahead, and turned around and went back to the dorm rather than walk over or around them. Just- ew.
2. Snakes at my front door. One of the cats will sometimes find a snake and leave it at the front door as a “gift”. The snake will usually coil up and pretend to be dead. The Roi picked one up once, thinking that it WAS dead, and it came back to life as he was carrying it to the back yard. LOL. Everybody was scared - including the snake, actually.
139 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:47am |
140 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:24am |
re: #137 MrSilverDragon
CALL a mental disconnect.
no sleep from the skittering cats last night.
Guess I’m having one of those disconnects, too.
141 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:31am |
re: #132 Jadespring
LOL. If I had 6 cups I’d be running up the walls. I usually have 1 then move onto something herbal or fruity (iced in the summer), then in the afternoon it’s nice pot of Earl Gray or Chai.
For me, it’s a 2nd pot of coffee after lunch.
Earl Gray just ain’t gonna cut it.
142 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:48am |
‘Openly Anti-Semitic’ Party Gains Power in Hungary
The center-right and far-right won by a wide margin in Hungary’s elections Sunday, initial results showed. The right-wing Fidesz party took 52.77 percent of the vote, and the far-right Jobbik party took 16.71. The incumbent Socialist party took only 19.29 percent.
Runoffs will be held later in the month in districts where no candidate received a majority of the votes.
The results were a cause for concern for European Jewish groups, which have accused Jobbik of anti-Semitism and racial hatred. One Hungarian Jewish group labeled Sunday’s election the first time “a movement pursuing openly anti-Semitic policies” has gained power in Hungary since the Nazi era.
143 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:50am |
re: #134 Aceofwhat?
He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?
pellet gun.
144 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:57:02am |
re: #122 reine.de.tout
Nevertheless, I do agree that there is a profound shift in the employability of many Americans.
When my parents grew up, in the Great Depression, they entered a world that was struggling in the aftermath of the transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one.
Now we, the US, have moved post industrial (see the spin-off I put up about NH). Another shift in society, another wave of fractured institutions.
Where we go from here I do not know.
145 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:58:24am |
re: #144 freetoken
Nevertheless, I do agree that there is a profound shift in the employability of many Americans.
When my parents grew up, in the Great Depression, they entered a world that was struggling in the aftermath of the transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one.
Now we, the US, have moved post industrial (see the spin-off I put up about NH). Another shift in society, another wave of fractured institutions.
Where we go from here I do not know.
And balance will eventually be restored.
I have faith.
146 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:59:07am |
re: #138 reine.de.tout
{FBV}
LOL.I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.
I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them.2. Snakes at my front door. One of the cats will sometimes find a snake and leave it at the front door as a “gift”.
Centipedes, for me. It’s the flexibility + creepy too many legs + biting. Millipedes don’t have the biting, so they’re cool. Snakes don’t have the legs, so they’re cool. (actually, i love snakes) But i don’t suffer centipedes to live, even though the hairy wolf centipedes i used to get in Ohio actually eat the other bugs.
147 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:00:36am |
re: #144 freetoken
Damn straight, who knows.
Post depression, a bunch of jobs opened up with… “Apply here. Can you thread this nut onto this bolt? Yes? You’re hired! Stand right there. Here it comes! Oh! Good job… stand here and do that all day. You can’t read? Not a problem… put your X here.” “Can you carry this sack of flour over there? Yes? You’re hired. Carry this sack of flour over there.”
Brand new world…
149 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:00am |
re: #143 reine.de.tout
pellet gun.
Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.
150 | 2senseplain Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:45am |
re: #90 Ericus58
Absolutely. Its something to see. The siren(special tone, not the same as pre-Shabbat or incoming-hostilities-get-to-your-sealed-room tone)goes off and everyone stops absolutely dead and stands stock still wherever they are for 2 minutes. Includes people getting out and standing beside their cars, and buses(although I had to give one Egged driver today the evil eye as he tried to creep forward on his route—bus was empty—before the end of the siren. Thought nobody was there to see him.). If you’re in an office meeting it stops and everyone stands. If you’re in a room with the doctor, the exam stops dead and you both stand(and I felt pretty silly standing there in one of those gowns).
151 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:51am |
re: #146 Aceofwhat?
Centipedes, for me. It’s the flexibility + creepy too many legs + biting. Millipedes don’t have the biting, so they’re cool. Snakes don’t have the legs, so they’re cool. (actually, i love snakes) But i don’t suffer centipedes to live, even though the hairy wolf centipedes i used to get in Ohio actually eat the other bugs.
Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.
152 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:02:16am |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.
Om nom nom…
153 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:02:51am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
“Baby can you dig your man.”
154 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:04:16am |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.
The cats had disappeared!
Plus, the pellet gun was quick.
One of the cats once came bounding through the open window with some sort of flying squirrel. Then let it go.
The squirrel disappeared completely.
It was two days before it got thirsty enough to need to come out for water, which is when we were able to catch it and send it on back outside again. We could hear it, but could never find it.
155 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:04:33am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.
Heh. And the good news is that our palmetto bugs don’t nest in houses like northern roaches do, so we only see them occasionally.
The bad news is that if you’re skittish about bugs which look like roaches, palmetto bugs are big enough to saddle and ride around the den…
156 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:05am |
re: #149 Aceofwhat?
Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.
Have you ever seen a bat flying around a room with an operating ceiling fan flying in circles with a cat on the bed jumping in the air to catch the bat every time it does an orbit? I have. I couldn’t stop laughing for a good 10 minutes. Trust me, it’ll make your day!
157 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:06am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
Heh. And the good news is that our palmetto bugs don’t nest in houses like northern roaches do, so we only see them occasionally.
The bad news is that if you’re skittish about bugs which look like roaches, palmetto bugs are big enough to saddle and ride around the den…
And they fly!!!
158 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:53am |
More videos coming:
WikiLeaks plans to post video showing US massacre of Afghani civilians
The whisteblower website WikiLeaks — which exploded onto the national stage earlier this month after it released a video recording showing US servicemembers shooting two reporters and six others to death — says they plan to release another, even more harrowing clip.
159 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:06:05am |
re: #121 MrSilverDragon
At least you’re going to get an uptick on your next overlord review. Supplying huntables in an indoor setting.
160 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:06:17am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.
OMG, I hate those things!
Just hate them!
Stupid, messy - and the dead ones will smell awful when you wash them off your car, but you’ve got to get them off or lose the paint on your car.
I was wondering where they came from. Where were they originally?
162 | Slap Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:08:02am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
But isn’t it true that palmettoes have the inside track on wrestling scholarships in Florida colleges?
163 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:08:32am |
re: #160 reine.de.tout
OMG, I hate those things!
Just hate them!Stupid, messy - and the dead ones will smell awful when you wash them off your car, but you’ve got to get them off or lose the paint on your car.
I was wondering where they came from. Where were they originally?
Me was wrong. The experiment idea is a myth.
en.wikipedia.org
164 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:16am |
Joy!
Just got off the phone with my tax guy. Seems as if the gov’t doesn’t think I paid enough last year. I get the privilage of writing them a check this week!
yippee!!
/
165 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:35am |
Tax Mahal: IRS gets lift with stimulus cash, no creation of jobs
With tax day looming, officials from Washington to Massachusetts are blasting a $92 million “Cadillac”-style renovation of the sprawling IRS center in Andover, calling the use of federal stimulus dollars to collect more taxes a “boondoggle” that won’t even bring long-term jobs to the area.
The project’s key proponent, Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Lowell), and other top regional Democrats have strongly touted the project, which is aimed at improving “productivity and customer service” at the 50-year-old federal complex.
But foes such as Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and state Sen. Michael Knapik (R-Westfield) are jeering at the use of stimulus money to create a state-of-the-art processing and auditing center when roads, bridges and dams need urgent attention.
Dems spend $92 million of stimulus money and create ZERO jobs. Shocka!
166 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:55am |
167 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:10:18am |
This isn’t surprising:
Sanctions no way to go in Iran, India tells US
Amid a fresh Western drive to impose fresh sanctions against Iran, India has made it clear to the US that while Tehran should stick to its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), sanctions are counter-productive.The Iranian nuclear issue figured in discussions between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President Obama at Blair House, the presidential guesthouse, Sunday on the eve of the Nuclear Security Summit that is expected to focus on Tehran’s defiant nuclear programme.
The discussions took place with a special reference to the ongoing discussions in New York on the possibility of a UN Security Council Resolution to deal with the Iranian nuclear issue, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao told journalists here after talks.
“So, the president briefed the prime minister on these discussions. Our prime minister made known India’s position very clearly in this regard,” said Rao.
“You are aware of the fact that we have always stressed that Iran has certain obligations to fulfil as a member of the NPT on the nuclear issue as it concerns Iran,” said Rao.
On the issue of sanctions, Manmohan Singh told Obama that “sanctions when they target ordinary people have always been counter-productive.”
[…]
While India believes that a nuclear weapon Iran is not in the interests of regional stability, it has consistently advocated dialogue and diplomacy to resolve the issue of the Iranian nuclear programme, suspected of developing nuclear weapons.
169 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:10:54am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
I’m getting $8,000.00 back… I hope it ain’t thousands you’ve gotta pay, but, dude… I lent them $8,000.00!
I want it back now!
170 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:33am |
re: #167 freetoken
it has consistently advocated dialogue and diplomacy to resolve the issue of the Iranian nuclear programme, suspected of developing nuclear weapons
Yes, because thats been working so well with Iran (and North Korea) lo these many decades!
171 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:38am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)
172 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:38am |
re: #164 sattv4u2
Joy!
Just got off the phone with my tax guy. Seems as if the gov’t doesn’t think I paid enough last year. I get the privilage of writing them a check this week!
yippee!!
/
Write me one while you’re at it.
/
173 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:06am |
re: #148 MandyManners
SNIP
hoo-boy.
Let’s hope this isn’t where we’re headed, with unemployment being “relieved” by stimulus jobs, etc.
174 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:09am |
re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar
Darn… I was digging the Captain Trips thoughts.
175 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:15am |
re: #170 sattv4u2
So, how would you convince the Indians otherwise?
176 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:58am |
re: #171 freetoken
Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)
Yeah ,, I get to write the State Of Georgia one, but thats only a few bucks this year (under $100)
177 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:13:59am |
re: #138 reine.de.tout
{FBV}
LOL.I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.
I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them. Once, in college, it had been raining hard, and of course lots of earthworms came out of the ground and got onto the sidewalk. I saw a patch of ‘em up ahead, and turned around and went back to the dorm rather than walk over or around them. Just- ew.
My brother in his youth (12 through high school) sold nightcrawlers for bait. After/during those summer rainstorms he’d employ me to go with him and capture fresh supplies for his boxes. So we’d be out at night with coffee cans and flashlights picking them up. Or catching them by hand as they’d be 3/4 of the way out of their burrows doing whatever worms do when it’s damp outside and the homestead is half flooded.
I also have cats that liked catching snakes and bringing them home. I think they viewed them as some sort of self-propelled shoestring toy, but better! Garter snakes exude musk when alarmed, and I think the one cat liked the smell.
178 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:14:11am |
re: #176 sattv4u2
That is perfect tax planning. Congratulations to either you or your tax guy who told you how to do it.
Nice.
179 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:15:14am |
re: #175 freetoken
So, how would you convince the Indians otherwise?
We have huge leverage over MANY countries that we have NEVER tried (that I’m aware of)
We give huge amounts of aid and have for decades to many different countries. Hell, we give both Israel and Egypt $$$ that they use to but weapons to aim at each other (as an example)
All this, while our country is swimming in red ink!
SO ,,, the leverage that we have is simple ,, $$$ (or cuts there of)
180 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:16:23am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
According to Prachett’s God of Evolution the cockroach is the ultimate adaptive lifeform. (The Last Continent)
182 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:16:47am |
re: #177 oaktree
My brother in his youth (12 through high school) sold nightcrawlers for bait. After/during those summer rainstorms he’d employ me to go with him and capture fresh supplies for his boxes. So we’d be out at night with coffee cans and flashlights picking them up. Or catching them by hand as they’d be 3/4 of the way out of their burrows doing whatever worms do when it’s damp outside and the homestead is half flooded.
…
.
*shudder*
*cold shudder*
ew.
I’ve seen people use a stick punched into the ground, with a can top being beaten with another stick, to get those things to just pop up out of the ground, too.
Yuck.
183 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:17:50am |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is perfect tax planning. Congratulations to either you or your tax guy who told you how to do it.
Nice.
Yeah, he’s a kepper
We break or come close to breaking even each year. The monkey wrnch this year was a new way my company set up stock options and the selling and taxation of them. On paper, it looks as if I cashed some in each month (and paid the taxes on them as I did). In reality, I never got any $$ (yet) bit will NOT have to pay the taxes on it when I do (when presumably they will be worth more)
186 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:43am |
187 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:51am |
New Research Sheds Light on Soviet Plans for World War III
German historians are divided over the significance of a massive Communist-era bunker in the former East Germany. Was it to be used as a command post in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe? Researchers now believe Europe was closer to the nuclear abyss than was previously believed.
Riding in fully enclosed trucks, a military construction crew under the command of the East German National People’s Army was driven to a remote woodlot near Kossa in the state of Saxony, which at the time was part of communist East Germany. They were not supposed to hear anything, see anything or say anything. They were only here to work.
First, the soldiers put up 6 kilometers (3.75 miles) of steel fencing and ran 6,000 volts of electricity through it. The men dug deep holes with excavators and poured concrete walls. Then the underground facility was fitted with electronic systems.
The secret fortress was completed in 1979. Located in the middle of a heath, the installation consisted of six separate bunkers that cannot be seen from the air, spread over an area of 75 hectares (185 acres), and built with blast-resistant steel doors and decontamination showers.
188 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:19:17am |
re: #182 reine.de.tout
*shudder*
*cold shudder*
ew.I’ve seen people use a stick punched into the ground, with a can top being beaten with another stick, to get those things to just pop up out of the ground, too.
Yuck.
Worm equivalent of “fishing” using a stick of dynamite. Not sporting at all. :p
189 | freetoken Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:19:25am |
re: #179 sattv4u2
India, the country in question, is a major trading partner with both the US and Iran.
They refuse (and have worked against) any serious economic sanctions against Iran.
I know of no way to change them on this. If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent? While, because of their own nuclear program we have kept India at arms’ length on nuclear technology related matters, on the whole we keep good relations with them and have intertwined our own economy with theirs.
190 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:20:07am |
re: #180 oaktree
Mythbusters tested the radiation myth. The nasty little bastards died.
191 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:20:44am |
re: #185 MandyManners
Cold shudder.
*snicker*
It’s actually quite descriptive.
I’ve decided I like it.
192 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:07am |
re: #133 freetoken
Scott Brown snubs Sarah Palin, bags Tea Party rally
Heh… do tell.
If I recall, he didn’t have Palin campaign for him in the first place. She was up in New York’s 23rd helping lose that election, and simply took credit for Brown’s victory after the fact. Brown’s probably enjoying Palin’s mentioning him to tea partiers, so they know who to vote for, but he’s not stupid enough to consider them the majority. That said, I’m not exactly impressed with him and wouldn’t mind seeing him ousted…
193 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:09am |
re: #184 MandyManners
Ninety-five per cent of Cubans are employed by the government. What’s the percentage here, from municipalities to counties to states to the feds?
About 8% of jobs in the US are government jobs.
194 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:35am |
re: #188 oaktree
Worm equivalent of “fishing” using a stick of dynamite. Not sporting at all. :p
LOL.
Sorry.
Who the heck worries about ‘sporting’ when it’s a WORM??!!??
195 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:46am |
re: #189 freetoken
If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent
Where in my reply did I say “strong arm”?
Do you think that India based companies will stop doing business with US companies just because the US gov’t reduces aid to the Indian gov’t?
198 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:22:19am |
re: #184 MandyManners
Ninety-five per cent of Cubans are employed by the government. What’s the percentage here, from municipalities to counties to states to the feds?
Well, right now, much less than 95%.
Let’s hope it stays that way.
199 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:23:57am |
re: #193 Obdicut
About 8% of jobs in the US are government jobs.
Federal jobs? Or across the board?
What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.
200 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:03am |
I found my wallet. Everyone can stop looking.:)
201 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:30am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Federal jobs? Or across the board?
What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.
Still looking for worms!?!?
/
202 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:48am |
203 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:25:39am |
205 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:14am |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mythbusters tested the radiation myth. The nasty little bastards died.
Most things will. The reason that the flour beetles did so well in comparison to the roaches was smaller size and cross-section exposure to the radiation source.
Plus, if you do some additional background reading, the theory on roach survival of radiation exposure is also based upon the fact that they reproduce generationally much faster than larger beasties like us. They’ll go through 5-6 (or more) generations where each generation doesn’t get that much chance to accumulate radiation damage to their genetic material while creatures with longer reproduction periods potentially get damage that will cause lower successful reproduction rates. (Also brought up is the roach default behavior when alarmed to scuttle under nearest cover - thus a tendency to shelter in a shielded environment.)
206 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:15am |
re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar
“The pope-a has-a lost his a-wallet!”
-Father Guido Sarducci
207 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:23am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Federal jobs? Or across the board?
What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.
I don’t know where Obdi got his info.
But the US Bureau of Labor Statistics has more information about the labor situation than anyone really ever wants to know.
208 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:52am |
Medicaid Drops Coverage For Mom With Cancer
A woman battling a cancer battle was dealt a surprise blow by Uncle Sam this month.Diana Smith has gone through six months of radiation and chemotherapy — one week out of every month. She is in remission and had a donor for a transplant; being in remission is prerequisite for the transplant.
But her hopes of receiving the transplant were dashed in March, when she says, the Social Security Administration contacted her –without her soliciting it — and told her that her three year-old son was entitled to receive Social Security disability payments. Even though she didn’t ask for it, she signed the form and received her son’s first check check.
In April, Medicaid canceled her universal health care policy because her income level had risen with her son’s payments – making her ineligible for the insurance program.
The problem is Jackson Memorial Hospital cannot provide the procedure because the risk is too high. The universal policy from Medicaid helps shield the hospital from liability in this kind of case. Without it, they are subject to liability issues.
Even though Smith offered to cancel her son’s disability benefits, she was told it’s too late.
“She’s gone through six months worth of radiation and chemo, her body can’t take anymore. If they don’t allow her to have this transplant coming up right now next week, they’re in effect signing her death warrant,” said her friend Tom Noonan.
“I want to live to see my son grow up and get on with my life,” Smith told CBS4’s Ted Scouten.
209 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:27:08am |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
LOL.
Sorry.
Who the heck worries about ‘sporting’ when it’s a WORM??!!??
No problem. It was a joke. :)
210 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:27:56am |
re: #209 oaktree
aw, heck, I knew it!
*joking back*
211 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:28:33am |
re: #70 NJDhockeyfan
Hamas MP says Gaza authorities facing financial ‘crisis’
I have this here small violin…
They are smuggling containers full of cash through the tunnels as fast as they can.
212 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:09am |
re: #171 freetoken
Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)
Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…
213 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:19am |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
I think there are programs that will cover people whose income doesn’t allow them to receive medical assistance benefits, but who have a “catastrophic” situation on their hands. This lady needs to do some more checking around.
214 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:47am |
215 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:05am |
re: #212 Aceofwhat?
Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…
Having a very small state income tax rules.
And about $12 worth of property tax a year on my home - rules too.
216 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:31am |
re: #120 Aceofwhat?
ugh. CPAP machines are tough. they work, but i’ve seen them…it’s like going to bed in a Darth Vader mask, minus the cool chokey powers and James Earl Jones voice…
Zedushka always gets stopped for “special treatment” whenever he takes his portable CPAP through airport security.
217 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:33am |
re: #208 NJDhockeyfan
wow. what a coincidence. i am so surprised.
219 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:33:47am |
re: #212 Aceofwhat?
Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…
Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes
FOR EXAMPLE
When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some items
PROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)
220 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:33:50am |
re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Damn straight, who knows.
Post depression, a bunch of jobs opened up with… “Apply here. Can you thread this nut onto this bolt? Yes? You’re hired! Stand right there. Here it comes! Oh! Good job… stand here and do that all day. You can’t read? Not a problem… put your X here.” “Can you carry this sack of flour over there? Yes? You’re hired. Carry this sack of flour over there.”
Brand new world…
And those jobs were all the military.
221 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:34:04am |
re: #213 reine.de.tout
I think there are programs that will cover people whose income doesn’t allow them to receive medical assistance benefits, but who have a “catastrophic” situation on their hands. This lady needs to do some more checking around.
I hope so. Imagine fighting cancer for that long and one week before the operation that possibly will cure you the government cuts off your coverage. How fucked up is that?
223 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:35:37am |
re: #215 reine.de.tout
Having a very small state income tax rules.
And about $12 worth of property tax a year on my home - rules too.
no question…it’s the sum total which matters. but i’ve been renting since i moved here and am not gonna buy until it’s both less expensive to buy and the market turns around. neither are the case in Jacksonville right now. i have a beautiful house about 10min from the beach and the nice lady who owns the house isn’t even close to breaking even on my rent…
224 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:36:09am |
re: #222 badger1970
Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.
Actually, with most things gov’t run
Damned if you do, Damned if you do!
225 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:36:39am |
re: #189 freetoken
India, the country in question, is a major trading partner with both the US and Iran.
They refuse (and have worked against) any serious economic sanctions against Iran.
I know of no way to change them on this. If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent? While, because of their own nuclear program we have kept India at arms’ length on nuclear technology related matters, on the whole we keep good relations with them and have intertwined our own economy with theirs.
India’s problem is twofold. 1.) they need iranian business and money 2.) they need continue to play their relationship with Iran against Pakistan.
That said, they can be bought off with cash and favors. I’ve advocated for awhile to add India to the permanent UN security council list, maybe that’s a good enough carrot to get them on board.
227 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:37:19am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes
FOR EXAMPLE
When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some itemsPROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)
I just went to the county website and it estimated about $5k on a $300k house. So it’s not a panacea, by any means…
228 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:37:41am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Federal jobs? Or across the board?
What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.
Across the board, and it was the BLS. It took me awhile to construct, though, and I don’t think I have all the links. Here’s the basic, though.
9,748,080 government workers, all total, excluding teachers, giving a rate of about 4% of all jobs. That’s excluding, however, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches (police are not part of that) which about doubles the number.
230 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:38:03am |
re: #223 Aceofwhat?
no question…it’s the sum total which matters. but i’ve been renting since i moved here and am not gonna buy until it’s both less expensive to buy and the market turns around. neither are the case in Jacksonville right now. i have a beautiful house about 10min from the beach and the nice lady who owns the house isn’t even close to breaking even on my rent…
I don’t think it’s gonna get much lower than this!
We;ve had houses sitting for sale around me for 18-24 months. During the 1st 12-16 months they would reduce the price every so often. Since then the price has held firm
231 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:38:31am |
re: #223 Aceofwhat?
We had a small, one week time-share in Destin for awhile.
Our “week” was during the school year so at some point, after our daughter was born, it made no sense to keep it. Same thing - the rent we got on it for our ‘week’ didn’t cover the annual property taxes on a small one-bedroom efficiency one week time-share!
233 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:39:06am |
re: #221 NJDhockeyfan
Not so messed up as it just is the way it is going to be.
They are going to do things that make Blue Cross look like Good King Wenceslas. But they’re gonna use Blue Cross to take the blame.
Not death panels… not what I am saying.
Shenanigans like that story.
234 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:06am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes
FOR EXAMPLE
When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some itemsPROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)
We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!
235 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:26am |
re: #228 Obdicut
Oh and that’s excluding temporary workers like census people, and doesn’t include jobs that are fully funded by the government but done by private industry, obviously.
236 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:37am |
re: #228 Obdicut
9,748,080 government workers, all total,
Hold on. That does NOT include teachers, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches and you think those included would only DOUBLE the numbers?!?!
I would think it would increase it three or four fold
239 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:37am |
re: #230 sattv4u2
I don’t think it’s gonna get much lower than this!
We;ve had houses sitting for sale around me for 18-24 months. During the 1st 12-16 months they would reduce the price every so often. Since then the price has held firm
i don’t like guessing the bottom of a market…i’m not prescient enough. I’d rather buy on the uptick and be sure. and my rent is waaay less than the mortgage + property taxes would be on this baby, even with the tax deduction, so i’m in no hurry.
after owning for the past 10 years, it’s really nice to call someone every time an appliance breaks or the A/C goes out and let them foot the bill!
240 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:44am |
re: #234 darthstar
We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!
Yes, but as ACE stated, the sum total of that
As long as they don;t soak me on my property taxes ON TOP of all the others (and here in Georgia they don’t) I’m fine with that
241 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:54am |
re: #181 MandyManners
Economic aid = pay-off.
he should be less cavalier about talking about bloodshed. If Putin is backing the new government’s play and we’re trying to keep our base lease, the government can probably mow down his supporters without paying a price.
242 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:16am |
re: #234 darthstar
We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!
In Connecticut the effective rate is about 63%? Fed/State/Local/Property/Sales/Death/coffin/asking question tax…
244 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:40am |
re: #229 MandyManners
Aren’t they also still good buds with China as they were during the Cold War?
Not really. China/India are in the midst of their own little cold war although it’s mostly based around economic issues. China has a big headstart but, IMO, it’s only a matter of time before India surpasses China both economically and militarily if they so choose.
245 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:48am |
re: #228 Obdicut
Across the board, and it was the BLS. It took me awhile to construct, though, and I don’t think I have all the links. Here’s the basic, though.
[Link: www.bls.gov…]
9,748,080 government workers, all total, excluding teachers, giving a rate of about 4% of all jobs. That’s excluding, however, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches (police are not part of that) which about doubles the number.
My only issue with this:
I have a college degree, and worked as a high-level administrator and part of the executive staff of a state agency.
I resent the moniker government “worker”.
When anyone working anywhere else is called an “employee”.
Sorry.
This has bothered me for a gajillion years.
If you work for the government, it just seems your professionalism will be demeaned.
246 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:50am |
re: #237 badger1970
But how’s the weather? /
Right now it’s pissing down rain…has been all weekend…and we’ve got 40 mph winds up here on the ridge to go with it. Now, most of the year, it’s pretty sweet.
247 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:43:13am |
re: #239 Aceofwhat?
i don’t like guessing the bottom of a market…i’m not prescient enough. I’d rather buy on the uptick and be sure. and my rent is waaay less than the mortgage + property taxes would be on this baby, even with the tax deduction, so i’m in no hurry.
after owning for the past 10 years, it’s really nice to call someone every time an appliance breaks or the A/C goes out and let them foot the bill!
HEY,, stop calling me!!!
(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)
248 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:43:44am |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
Excellent point, freeloader.
/
*runs away giggling*
250 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:20am |
re: #232 MandyManners
Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.
That’s not the point of the BLS stuff, though, Mandy. They break down stuff by occupation, and a teacher for the government is more similar to a private teacher than they are to, say, a DMV worker for the purposes of occupation and the economy. It’s not some underhanded ploy to undercount workers.
We actually have a very efficient government compared to other countries, but good luck getting Americans to believe that. We’re kinda spoiled. It’s partially because we’re pretty non-corrupt— number 17, woot!— but mainly because the high value-added-per-worker-hour remains high for government.
251 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:30am |
re: #247 sattv4u2
I fixed some things at the house I rented years ago. My laird was shocked.
253 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:43am |
re: #247 sattv4u2
HEY,, stop calling me!!!
(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)
My AC went out when I was 24 and renting. Landlord was an asshole. I withheld my rent check ‘til he fixed it.
254 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:14am |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
I resent the moniker government “worker”.
When anyone working anywhere else is called an “employee”.
I would be very happy if my boss called me a ‘worker”. Beats the hell out of what he usually calls us !!
//
255 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:25am |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
My apologies, Reine. No disrespect meant, and I’ll be careful of that in the future.
256 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:25am |
re: #232 MandyManners
Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.
I don’t know why, but teachers are often excluded from counts of government employees.
And legislative and health-care employees are often exluded because often, they are not in protected positions, but “at-will” positions for some reason.
Legislators themselves, of course, being at the will of the voters.
Counts of government employees will usually include mainly those whose jobs are protected and considered permanent.
257 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:35am |
re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar
My AC went out when I was 24 and renting. Landlord was an asshole. I withheld my rent check ‘til he fixed it.
As you should! (and as is legal, btw)
258 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:45am |
re: #232 MandyManners
Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.
I get the exclusion. I worry about whether the, say, Department of Labor has become a bloated tick engorged on gov’t cheese. But i’m gonna pay a teacher either way…i got Obdi’s statistic as a comment on the administrative burden as opposed to the total burden.
Teachers and police…none of us argue their necessity. Other gov’t jobs…eh…one could argue.
That’s the way i took his statistic.
260 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:04am |
Paging Dr. Leary…
Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again
As a retired clinical psychologist, Clark Martin was well acquainted with traditional treatments for depression, but his own case seemed untreatable as he struggled through chemotherapy and other grueling regimens for kidney cancer. Counseling seemed futile to him. So did the antidepressant pills he tried.
Nothing had any lasting effect until, at the age of 65, he had his first psychedelic experience. He left his home in Vancouver, Wash., to take part in an experiment at Johns Hopkins medical school involving psilocybin, the psychoactive ingredient found in certain mushrooms.
Scientists are taking a new look at hallucinogens, which became taboo among regulators after enthusiasts like Timothy Leary promoted them in the 1960s with the slogan “Turn on, tune in, drop out.” Now, using rigorous protocols and safeguards, scientists have won permission to study once again the drugs’ potential for treating mental problems and illuminating the nature of consciousness.
261 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:06am |
re: #252 MandyManners
India has one thing China doesn’t have: freedom.
and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.
262 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:17am |
re: #236 sattv4u2
Do you think that based on any actual data, though, or is it just your gut truthiness speaking up?
If you have anything solid to back up that claim, I’d be interested to see it.
263 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:43am |
re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Excellent point, freeloader.
/
*runs away giggling*
oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV
264 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:47:11am |
re: #247 sattv4u2
HEY,, stop calling me!!!
(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)
Heh. Me too, actually. Our landlady is incredibly sweet, and i think neither she nor I are interested in trying our luck somewhere else for now. A good relationship in renting is really hard to find.
265 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:47:12am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
Paging Dr. Leary…
Those mushrooms are all over Florida. Rain and humidity. Heh.
267 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:00am |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV
How about no DMV?
269 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:04am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
Paging Dr. Leary…
So this means I was ahead of the curve back in the day when I… uh… I’ve said too much.
270 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:10am |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV
the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.
271 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:24am |
re: #259 MandyManners
It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?
Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?
It’s complicated because it’s complicated.
272 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:35am |
re: #250 Obdicut
That’s not the point of the BLS stuff, though, Mandy. They break down stuff by occupation, and a teacher for the government is more similar to a private teacher than they are to, say, a DMV worker for the purposes of occupation and the economy. It’s not some underhanded ploy to undercount workers.
We actually have a very efficient government compared to other countries, but good luck getting Americans to believe that. We’re kinda spoiled. It’s partially because we’re pretty non-corrupt— number 17, woot!— but mainly because the high value-added-per-worker-hour remains high for government.
You’re welcome, from we conservatives who get uppity about gov’t efficiency///
274 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:42am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
Those mushrooms are all over Florida. Rain and humidity. Heh.
And cow pies!
/someone told me that once…
275 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:45am |
re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I fixed some things at the house I rented years ago. My laird was shocked.
I do that. If something breaks, and doesn’t require too much work (replacing a faucet, rehanging a gate, etc.) I just do it myself and deduct whatever it cost from my rent. That said, we’re starting to see that ‘uptick’ in the market Ace was talking about and are chomping at the bit to buy a place now…then my ‘handy-man’ genes will really kick in…
276 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:21am |
re: #261 RogueOne
and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.
I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.
277 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:30am |
re: #263 reine.de.tout
oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV
As if staffing were the problem…
(actually, my local DMV is the best i’ve ever visited by far. polite, personable, helpful and professional. w00t Jacksonville!)
278 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:36am |
280 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:11am |
re: #271 Obdicut
It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?
Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?
It’s complicated because it’s complicated.
Oh sure, when you talk about taxes you want to add everything possible in but when talking “employees” you’re looking for ways to reduce the numbers.//
281 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:33am |
re: #255 Obdicut
My apologies, Reine. No disrespect meant, and I’ll be careful of that in the future.
Obdi -
Wasn’t you I’m upset with.
It’s been done that way for a long time.
And it’s just always bothered me.
No wonder people look at government employees with a biased eye; look at the language used to describe us.
Government employees work as hard as anyone else, and often under less than ideal circumstances (cheap offices with no upkeep or maintenance, etc). There are horror stories in government service, sure, just like there are for any employer. But everybody’s always mad at us until they want a service, then suddenly we’re their best friend.
282 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:42am |
re: #262 Obdicut
Do you think that based on any actual data, though, or is it just your gut truthiness speaking up?
If you have anything solid to back up that claim, I’d be interested to see it.
No, but posting that gov’t employees are a mere 4% of the work force then saying “well, that excludes teachers, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches etc etc is kinda useless.
283 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:17am |
re: #273 MandyManners
How will you get your tags renewed? Get a driver’s license?
Tags renewed? My point precisely.
What is vehicle registration other than revenue enhancement?
Licenses, okay… I’ll grant that one.
284 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:22am |
re: #276 Kruk
I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.
Agreed but China took the problem to an extreme level. No one thought their “one child” policy all the way through.
285 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:40am |
Moscow judge who convicted neo-Nazis shot to death
MOSCOW — A judge who sentenced to prison neo-Nazis responsible for dozens of hate killings was gunned down Monday amid a surge of violence against activists and officials opposed to Russian nationalists.Moscow City Court judge Eduard Chuvashov was shot contract-style in the stairwell of his apartment building in central Moscow, Russia’s top investigative body said.
The murderer used a silencer and left no shells, but investigators obtained footage from surveillance cameras showing a tall Slavic man, about 30-years-old, coming out of Chuvashov’s apartment building shortly after the killing, it said.
“We have definitive leads,” investigator Pyotr Titov said in televised remarks.
A leading rights group pointed the finger at a far-right ultranationalist group with alleged ties to Kremlin-backed youth movements, saying it may have links to the murder and incited hatred for Chuvashov on the Internet. A nationalist leader denied the accusations.
Russia has experienced a surge of xenophobia and racially-motivated assaults in the years after the Soviet collapse, and the number of neo-Nazi groups has mushroomed.
286 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:52:11am |
re: #257 sattv4u2
As you should! (and as is legal, btw)
Not here in New Zealand. (Witholding rent, no matter the reason, is grounds for eviction.) Having said that, tenent protections are pretty strong here. My wife and I are renting till we settle permanently in one city (which won’t be till after I finish studying), and renting is a good option here. The law tends to come down hard on bad landlords.
288 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:52:29am |
re: #271 Obdicut
It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?
Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?
It’s complicated because it’s complicated.
Or people who’s companies depend on tax dollars to buy weapons and other military equipment and all other things down to the TP that goes in government buildings.
289 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:53:16am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
Paging Dr. Leary…
Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…
291 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:53:59am |
re: #289 darthstar
Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…
Speak for yourself!!
/
292 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:54:23am |
re: #266 MandyManners
I believe that a true count of how many people are paid by our tax dollars can only be taken if EVERYONE who is paid by our tax dollars is included.
And you have a good point.
But you realize that there are lots of people in industries that are almost 100% funded by government contracts. It’s the not counting of those contractual employees that’s always bothered me. People here (including the damned legislature) constantly harp on how much is being spent on state employee pay, and forget there is at least an equivalent amount going to private companies who have government contracts (those companies often owned by good friends of our legislators). When a budget cut is needed, they don’t cut the contracts - they cut state jobs. Then we work understaffed and underpaid, with everyone yelling at us about how inefficient we are, while the fat-cat contractors keep their big bucks.
293 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:54:52am |
re: #289 darthstar
Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…
Just be careful of the brown acid. It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just not very good.
294 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:24am |
re: #270 RogueOne
the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.
yeah, we’ve got online renewal for driver’s licenses and license plates.
Driver’s license pic has to be retaken every 8 years, I believe, so you only have to go in once every 8 years (unless there’s some other problem).
295 | sattv4u2 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:27am |
And on that note, the sun is shining and the pressure washer is calling
Off to do the back porch
296 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:49am |
re: #292 reine.de.tout
Yep. Everyone I’ve ever heard yelping about the government pensions in California hasn’t said word one about paying contractors above market rate or anything else. The government employees are easy targets, so they get the heat.
297 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:07am |
And now, commuting fun.
298 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:11am |
re: #287 MandyManners
Rumors that the victim wouldn’t share his fava beans and chianti with Faisal are unfounded.
Beat him? The guy’s lucky the kid didn’t eat him. (/Amin-cannibalism snark off)
299 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:20am |
re: #277 Aceofwhat?
As if staffing were the problem…
(actually, my local DMV is the best i’ve ever visited by far. polite, personable, helpful and professional. w00t Jacksonville!)
Being understaffed by one person will slow down operations by hours. Truly. Been studied.
300 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:29am |
re: #290 MandyManners
I’m all for paying for tags. Roads are not cheap to build or maintain. Also, registering vehicles insures that only safe cars are on the road.
Vehicle inspections take care of that, done at the car repair shop. Enforced by the courts. Federal/State Gas taxes, and State and Federal Taxes are supposed to pay for Roads.
Vehicle registration was thought up by some guy, somewhere… he phrased it like this…”Hey! I know a way to make a pile of money for absolutely no gain to the citizens!”
301 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:03am |
re: #294 reine.de.tout
yeah, we’ve got online renewal for driver’s licenses and license plates.
Driver’s license pic has to be retaken every 8 years, I believe, so you only have to go in once every 8 years (unless there’s some other problem).
My DL pic is 18 years old. Gotta renew this year. Need birth certifikit, SS card, 2 proofs of residency.
302 | Interesting Times Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:09am |
re: #261 RogueOne
and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.
Like what they’ll demand from the US as debt payment? ///
(though I must confess, I’m surprised no one in the kook-o-sphere has started a rumor like that yet…)
303 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:18am |
re: #249 MandyManners
Did you read further down where the new No. 2 says a “special operation” against him is being planned? That’s fucking murder from Putin.
Just par for the course for Vlad the KGB Man. Though special op could be an arrest, too. But bunching up like the ousted man’s supporters have done makes it easy for the Russians and the new government to bag them. And the Russian Airborne forces in Kyrgyzstan are experts at quickly moving into place. Even their IFV’s can be moved by heavy-lift helicopter.
304 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:39am |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tags renewed? My point precisely.
What is vehicle registration other than revenue enhancement?
Licenses, okay… I’ll grant that one.
License tag fees often go to help pay for road upkeep and repair. State could give away the tags in order to keep everyone registered, but road upkeep has to come from somewhere. Not cheap.
305 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:59am |
Oh my gosh… yesterday, my shift at the supermarket was suppose to be 5:00p-10:00pm (first time I had a shift that late). They called me at 2:00pm and asked me if I could come in ASAP. because, between 9:00pm-10:00pm on Sunday evening they only have one checker and one manager and that checker has to know how to run the U-Scan self checkout station. They never trained me on the U-scan.
Organized chaos!
If you think that you are merrily going on checking yourself out, let me tell you the truth. You move a product, my handset beeps, you’re kid is playing with the scale or scanner, my handset beeps. You put a bag into your basket before finishing the whole transaction, my handset beeps… you can’t find a produce code… you get the idea. I spend most of the time poking my wireless handset clearing errors.
It’s like managing SIX registers at one time. It’s realtime and it’s like at any minute, it’s all going to blow up in front of your face.
The person that was training me said I looked so cool and calm. She doesn’t have a good bullshit meter. It was a blur, my brain was hurting, I was on autopilot. Just make believe I was hire to play the part of a calm and cool U-scan clerk.
P.S. I also found out something I didn’t know before. As low man on the pecking order, if the overnight cashier (they use U-scan only between 10:00pm and 6:30am, no regular registers) needs off, I will get scheduled to cover that shift.
306 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:13am |
re: #304 reine.de.tout
Gas tax… I pay about 5K a year in gas tax.
308 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:36am |
re: #287 MandyManners
Rumors that the victim wouldn’t share his fava beans and chianti with Faisal are unfounded.
A reference to Amin’s cannibalism, yes?
309 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:40am |
re: #293 MrSilverDragon
Just be careful of the brown acid. It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just not very good.
It was just a little stronger in some doses than others…one person could take three tabs and say, “this shit sucks” while another could take a half-tab and be found running naked through a field eight hours later. Should have been kept in a cool, dry place.
311 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:00:41am |
re: #302 publicityStunted
Like what they’ll demand from the US as debt payment? ///
(though I must confess, I’m surprised no one in the kook-o-sphere has started a rumor like that yet…)
Hehehe! Well, it’s not a big leap from “They’re taking our jobs!” to “They’re taking our women!”
313 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:38am |
Orrin Hatch Names Hillary Clinton as Possible Supreme Court Nominee
Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, one of the top Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Monday morning that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been mentioned as a possible nominee to the Supreme Court.
“I even heard the name Hillary Clinton today, and that would be an interesting person in the mix,” Hatch said on NBC’s “Today Show.”
The senator said he would not pre-judge whether any potential nominee would be an appropriate candidate to replace retiring Justice John Paul Stevens, but he had general praise for the secretary of state.
“I happen to like Hillary Clinton, I think she’s done agood job for the Democrats — Secretary of State’s position,” Hatch said, “and I have high respect for her, and think a great deal of her.”
Hatch said the confirmation process for President Obama’s nominee could go smoothly.
314 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #309 darthstar
It was just a little stronger in some doses than others…one person could take three tabs and say, “this shit sucks” while another could take a half-tab and be found running naked through a field eight hours later. Should have been kept in a cool, dry place.
I used to buy 33 hits at a time. 100 bucks. Would sell it to friends and eat the profit.
316 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:02:18am |
re: #310 MandyManners
Because he’s a lefty of hates his own country. He’s like Bill Ayers, only he uses lawsuits instead of bombs.
317 | Political Atheist Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:09am |
re: #299 reine.de.tout
Mornin’!
Kinda parachuting in here but this morning’s LA Times has some articles that show how budget cuts are effecting Police services, like overtime caps sending homicide detectives home after so many hours.
And then reduced anti gang efforts.
While arguing over money with the DWP. Argh! This is going to bite us where it hurts.
319 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:52am |
re: #313 NJDhockeyfan
Orrin Hatch Names Hillary Clinton as Possible Supreme Court Nominee
Heh. I would love that just to see Wingnut heads explode nationwide. I don’t think Hillary is going to take a life-time post though. She’s got another job in mind that due to become vacant in six years…
320 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:53am |
re: #305 Walter L. Newton
I wonder how many people try to sneak shit through the U-scan register without ringing it up? Small shit. Buy a bag of frozen peas and put a 10 pack of AA batteries or razor blades on top as they slide it across the scanner…you hear the beep, they put the shit in their bag…they save 7 bucks.
321 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:58am |
re: #275 darthstar
I do that. If something breaks, and doesn’t require too much work (replacing a faucet, rehanging a gate, etc.) I just do it myself and deduct whatever it cost from my rent. That said, we’re starting to see that ‘uptick’ in the market Ace was talking about and are chomping at the bit to buy a place now…then my ‘handy-man’ genes will really kick in…
i have no such genes, which definitely made my first house purchase a bit of a trial…
323 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:04:53am |
re: #276 Kruk
I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.
don’t get me started about the class system. not sure how it’s different from apartheid on many levels…
324 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:05:05am |
re: #270 RogueOne
the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.
I do all that on-line.
325 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:06:33am |
re: #296 Obdicut
Yep. Everyone I’ve ever heard yelping about the government pensions in California hasn’t said word one about paying contractors above market rate or anything else. The government employees are easy targets, so they get the heat.
People get mad at the wrong thing.
Who they need to be upset with are their legislators, who create government programs that then require expenditures to hire state employees.
And those legislators then see folks upset at tax rates, and instead of reducing programs, they simply reduce the number (or pay) of the employees they’ve required their state to hire to run the programs they have created.
People get frustrated because service isn’t what they expect it to be, and begin to yell about those dumb idiotic inefficient government “workers”.
Legislators decide to punish those dumb idiotic ineffecient government workers more by withholding pay increases. Morale plummets.
We used to have a couple of DMV offices in a couple of locations in each parish of the state. Some of those offices had one employee who served maybe 3 people a month.
When Public Safety proposed closing those office, oh the hue and cry! It was unbelievable. Once a program or site is established, it’s virtually impossible to shut it down. So when cuts are needed - reduce the number of empoyees doing the same amount of work, or cut their pay, or withhold pay increases.
/rant now off.
326 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:06:56am |
re: #319 Kruk
Heh. I would love that just to see Wingnut heads explode nationwide. I don’t think Hillary is going to take a life-time post though. She’s got another job in mind that due to become vacant in six years…
Obama could fill a SCOTUS position with another liberal and get rid of a rival all at the same time.
327 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:07:47am |
I tend to respect Haley Barbour, but he’s dead wrong here:
Mississippi Gov. Barbour Backs McDonnell on ‘Confederate History’ Declaration
Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour on Sunday defended fellow Gov. Bob McDonnell for his decision to declare April “Confederate History Month” in Virginia without initially acknowledging the legacy of slavery, saying the controversy “doesn’t amount to diddly.”
328 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:07am |
Gotta do dishes and try to sneak in a nap. BBL.
329 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:09am |
re: #318 MandyManners
I don’t know how it’s done where you live but, I cannot get my vehicle registered if it is not inspected.
And we must also provide proof of insurance.
330 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:13am |
re: #323 Aceofwhat?
don’t get me started about the class system. not sure how it’s different from apartheid on many levels…
It’s even worse than a class system. You can change classes (going from working class to middle class with education or business success for example), but you’re stuck with the caste you’re born with for life. The big difference from apartheid, though, is that the government is actively trying to break it down.
331 | darthstar Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:54am |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
I think slavery amounted to a little bit more than ‘diddly.’
332 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:09:06am |
re: #289 darthstar
Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…
Woah. Weird that it looked like Ritalin to the monitors. That part doesn’t make as much sense to me.
334 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:10:59am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
Obama could fill a SCOTUS position with another liberal and get rid of a rival all at the same time.
I agree, but my point is that *Hillary* may not want it. While it’s possible to resign from the SCOTUS, doing that would kill her presidential hopes.
Besides, is she still a rival for Obama? It’s pretty difficult to primary a sitting president from your own party.
335 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:11:20am |
re: #320 darthstar
I wonder how many people try to sneak shit through the U-scan register without ringing it up? Small shit. Buy a bag of frozen peas and put a 10 pack of AA batteries or razor blades on top as they slide it across the scanner…you hear the beep, they put the shit in their bag…they save 7 bucks.
It’s called “shrink,” product loss by stealing, any miscounting, missed scanning by a cashier, damaged goods not counted, anything coming into inventory and not accounted for by sale or return.
Every item has a weight in the database, and when you put it in the bag, the scale compares the added weight to the database, and my handset (or attendant station, I have a wireless handset and a terminal station) lets me know that there has been a weight difference caught.
I look at my handset (or terminal) and see what the last item scanned was and what the weight in the bag was recorded as. If they seem to far apart (scanned potato chips, weight put in bag, 8 ounces)… I can step over and check.
Of course, there is a fine line between keeping track of those possibilities and not assuming every customer is stealing.
U-scan leaves a lot to basic honesty.
336 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:12:20am |
More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.
” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.
The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.
The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “
337 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:12:49am |
re: #322 MandyManners
Dion Nissenbaum?
McLatchley, if this isn’t his first time advocating for terrorists by arguing the government framed them.
339 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:13:46am |
re: #336 avanti
More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.
” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.
The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.
The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “
That’ll put a real dent in that 12 trillion dollar total budget. Maybe we should buy China next and turn it into a theme park?
340 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:14:11am |
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
I’ve seen some reports that suggest shrinkage due to customer theft is far less of an issue for retailers than shrinkage due to their own employees taking off with the goods.
341 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:14:15am |
re: #336 avanti
More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.
” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.
The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.
The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “
Good. now let’s mandate that the money thus recovered must be used for deficit reduction. None of it should be used for new spending.
342 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:12am |
re: #336 avanti
So, does that mean that President Bush will get the credit for TARP? /
343 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:26am |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
I tend to respect Haley Barbour, but he’s dead wrong here:
Mississippi Gov. Barbour Backs McDonnell on ‘Confederate History’ Declaration
i actually watched that interview…he was saying that both democrats and republicans in Miss. have endorsed ‘Confederate History’ month in his state for a long time and (paraphrasing from memory here) “everyone knows it’s not a celebration of slavery…that goes without saying”.
It may be true, and it’s not a monstrous thing to say, but i’m waiting for the day when southerners, especially republican southerners, just knock this crap off.
OTOH, he did say he doesn’t like language like “radical” to describe Obama. That was unexpected and slightly refreshing…
345 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:31am |
re: #336 avanti
More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.
Heh. Please tell me it was GWB who started TARP. I love taunting people with the statement “George Bush saved the world economy.”
Yes, I’m a liberal who kinda likes George Bush. Sue me.
346 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:37am |
re: #325 reine.de.tout
Let me clarify something:
I’m not trying to glorify public employment or the expenses of hiring government employees.
I am trying to point out that if one wants services from the government, it will cost money, and those hired to do the jobs aren’t the problem.
The object of ire shouldn’t be the employees hired to perform the services your government has implemented, usually at the behest of the population - it should be the lawmakers who create the programs to begin with.
347 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:16:41am |
re: #331 darthstar
I think slavery amounted to a little bit more than ‘diddly.’
I agree. I know Haley Barbour is the governor of Mississippi, but still. He could have just kept his mouth shut instead of letting his Stars and Bars fly like that.
348 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:03am |
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
It’s called “shrink,” product loss by stealing, any miscounting, missed scanning by a cashier, damaged goods not counted, anything coming into inventory and not accounted for by sale or return.
Every item has a weight in the database, and when you put it in the bag, the scale compares the added weight to the database, and my handset (or attendant station, I have a wireless handset and a terminal station) lets me know that there has been a weight difference caught.
I look at my handset (or terminal) and see what the last item scanned was and what the weight in the bag was recorded as. If they seem to far apart (scanned potato chips, weight put in bag, 8 ounces)… I can step over and check.
Of course, there is a fine line between keeping track of those possibilities and not assuming every customer is stealing.
U-scan leaves a lot to basic honesty.
yep, shrinkage is a real problem in many industries, although it’s not to be confused with the anatomical process which goes by the same name/
349 | badger1970 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:05am |
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
This happen at my store, a customer ran items through the self-checkout, swiped a debit card, didn’t finish the transaction and walked out of the store. Cashier not paying attention and the store out of hundred bucks.
350 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:21am |
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.
351 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:26am |
re: #344 MandyManners
McClatchy in this case is the McClatchy media company.
Remember when Charles had a thread about Kuntar being released and Nissenbaum’s hanging out with him after his release? (That’s where I got the photograph.)
Sorry. [facepalm]
352 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:28am |
re: #340 lawhawk
I’ve seen some reports that suggest shrinkage due to customer theft is far less of an issue for retailers than shrinkage due to their own employees taking off with the goods.
Apparently, that’s what I was told in my training. If you put something in the bag without scanning at U-scan, the attendant is informed, if you scan something and don’t put it in the bag, the attendant is informed, and if you put something in the bag that doesn’t match the expected weight, the attendant is informed.
The U-scan station is very public, has security watching on cameras and just the open space, public nature of it helps make it not the easiest place to steal something.
354 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:18:29am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
Let me clarify something:
I’m not trying to glorify public employment or the expenses of hiring government employees.
I am trying to point out that if one wants services from the government, it will cost money, and those hired to do the jobs aren’t the problem.
The object of ire shouldn’t be the employees hired to perform the services your government has implemented, usually at the behest of the population - it should be the lawmakers who create the programs to begin with.
Quite Concur. Hate the game, not the player.
356 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:19:27am |
357 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:21:21am |
re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.
There’ something I already don’t like about U-scan… I don’t get to engage the customer the same way I can at the registers. The whole concept of U-scan is to let them do it themselves, teach them when needed… but still, it’s designed for them to have control over their checkout process, so my interaction is really left to technical matters… with a smile on my face.
At the registers, I have time to actually engage the customer in a friendly conversation, work on my stand up cashier routines and add a little fun to their shopping experience.
358 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:10am |
re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.
Heh. Apros of nothing:
Burgler is looting a house when he hears the words “Jesus is watching you!”
He nearly jumps out of skin and looks around. He hears it again “Jesus is watching you!”
He finally sees a parrot in a cage. He laughs and asks “Is your name Jesus?”
The parrot says “My name is Moses!”
The burgler laughs and says “What kind of folks would name a parrot Moses?”
The parrot says “The same kind of folks who name a rotweiller Jesus.”
359 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:35am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
Getting real close to their ear over their shoulder and nostril breathing loudly is also funny.
360 | Aceofwhat? Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:41am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
There’ something I already don’t like about U-scan… I don’t get to engage the customer the same way I can at the registers. The whole concept of U-scan is to let them do it themselves, teach them when needed… but still, it’s designed for them to have control over their checkout process, so my interaction is really left to technical matters… with a smile on my face.
At the registers, I have time to actually engage the customer in a friendly conversation, work on my stand up cashier routines and add a little fun to their shopping experience.
yeah, but the rest of us who don’t have our own personal Walter to visit do enjoy the option of not standing in line on occasion…
361 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:23:47am |
re: #358 Kruk
What’s black and brown and looks good on a white supremacist?
Pit Bull
362 | badger1970 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:24:00am |
re: #357 Walter L. Newton
Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?
363 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What’s black and brown and looks good on a
white supremacist?lawyer
Pit Bull
Doberman
364 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:26:42am |
re: #363 Alouette
Norm McDonald had a funny bit about dobermans…
The Doberman used to be the scariest dogs around. Now with pit-bulls and rotweillers, the doberman’s sitting over in the corner; frisbee in his mouth saying, “I used to be somebody! I was a dober-man!”
365 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:05am |
re: #342 lawhawk
So, does that mean that President Bush will get the credit for TARP? /
He loaned it out, but Obama got it paid back./ BTW, I supported Bush’s use of the TARP. The way things are going with the economy, some on the right will run out of doom and gloom stories.
366 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:28am |
re: #360 Aceofwhat?
yeah, but the rest of us who don’t have our own personal Walter to visit do enjoy the option of not standing in line on occasion…
Ah… that’s sweet. Evidently I have impressed the head clerks and managers, I’ve been told I am doing good job considering I have only had 12 hours of classroom training and then on the front end for about 20 hours.
My only concern, I always do a good job, that’s my nature. And there are times that my good job annoys those people who have been around a while and don’t do so good.
In business situations where there is “production loading” being tracked, my speed and concerns about the job can chafe certain other employees that don’t care as much as I do.
I really take any job, no matter what it is, not matter what I am doing, I really take a job seriously. And I like to do my best.
367 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:49am |
369 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:28:22am |
re: #362 badger1970
Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?
Oh, god. Don’t get me started. One of the main reasons I decided to stop being a dispensing pharmacist and go for my PhD was I was sick of dealing with frustrated and angry customers. (Often for issues way outside my control, like the funding of their medicines.) I may make the same money after three extra years of study, but the improvement in quality of life and job satisfaction would be priceless.
372 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:29:47am |
re: #339 Walter L. Newton
That’ll put a real dent in that 12 trillion dollar total budget. Maybe we should buy China next and turn it into a theme park?
We did get a slight slow down in the debt buildup, but I agree it’s way do high.
” WASHINGTON - While the federal government will remain on track to post another $1 trillion budget deficit this year, economists believe the March deficit will show a big improvement from a year ago.
Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expect the March deficit will shrink to $65 billion. That would be down significantly from the March 2009 imbalance of $191.6 billion.”
373 | badger1970 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:30:52am |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
It does seem that the part-timers (especially ones that it’s their second job) do care more about the responsibilities than the (tenured) non-manager full-timers. And also, the squeaky wheels get the grease.
374 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:31:00am |
re: #362 badger1970
Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?
Small weapon fire?
None of my training so far has dealt with that sort of topic. I’ve been there two weeks now, I did 12 hours of computer based training, and tomorrow evening I have 4 hours of “new hire” orientation in a classroom situation, and then next week I have a 8 hour cashier training class in another store (I know, I’m already on registers). Maybe in those classes I’ll get more info about engaging problem customers.
I suspect the best instruction I will have will simply be experience and time.
376 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:31:55am |
re: #370 MandyManners
If it’s proved, it’ll blow a lot of Nazis’ minds.
Heh. Serves them right. They’ve been trying to turn Terre’Blanche into some kind of racial martyr, and using his death as an example of why multi-racial societies can never succeed.
377 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:33:17am |
re: #365 avanti
I personally; Would love to be wrong.
I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).
I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.
I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.
I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.
378 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:34:08am |
379 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:34:52am |
re: #365 avanti
He loaned it out, but Obama got it paid back./ BTW, I supported Bush’s use of the TARP. The way things are going with the economy, some on the right will run out of doom and gloom stories.
Never underestimate people’s ability to find a dark lining to every silver cloud. I can see it now “Yes, you’re employed, fed, housed and healthy, but are you FREE? Bread and circuses! Bread and circuses!”
380 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:35:58am |
re: #368 MandyManners
That may cut down on trolls on the site, but I can see it opening some people who have strong opinions to web-stalking. If they use their real names to post, they’ll get highlighted and that could lead them to be attacked by net haters.
381 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:36:11am |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
Maybe in those classes I’ll get more info about engaging problem customers.
Lesson 1. Some customers are simply assholes. There is no amount of “excellent customer service” that will cure their assholliness. The best thing you can do, is ring them the fuck out.
(I hope that’s in the manual)
382 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:38:04am |
Another Black Widow Suicide Attack In Chechnya
Two week since the Moscow subway bombing, another female Chechen terrorist killed herself and a police officer in the Northern Caucasus.
Marina Yevloyeva was the widow of an Islamic insurgents who blew himself up to avoid arrest last Friday, according to the Moscow Times. The 25-year-old is one a growing set of women described as black widows — an aspect of the jihadist wave that terrifies Russia.
383 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:38:28am |
Wait a second? I thought this was a no-no when Bush was doing this…
First, according to Gibbs now, the Cheney/Kristol Right was absolutely correct all along in arguing that accused Terrorists have no right to a trial and that there’s no harm in putting them before military commissions instead. That’s the viewpoint which Gibbs explicitly endorsed today. Conversely, Obama supporters who spent months arguing that civilian trials for the 9/11 defendants were compelled by the Rule of Law, Our Values and The Constitution — and who were defending the White House from right-wing attacks — just had their arguments resoundingly rejected by the White House itself, which now says that justice can be served by denying civilian trials. What are those people going to say when Obama does exactly that which they spent months arguing is prohibited by the Rule of Law, Our Values and the Constitution: namely, denying civilian trials?
I tired of the hypocrisy of ALL the fucking politicians.
387 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:40:25am |
re: #375 MandyManners
Mandy, did you hear about DesertSage’s son?
388 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:40:43am |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
I can hear the calls for the increased airport security screening of young white women already.
Yeah, right.
390 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:24am |
re: #380 Dark_Falcon
That may cut down on trolls on the site, but I can see it opening some people who have strong opinions to web-stalking. If they use their real names to post, they’ll get highlighted and that could lead them to be attacked by net haters.
Or by just general crazy people who have some sort of mental disfunction and will get upset about even the most minor of quibbles. My foray into more open net communications was cut short when I got threatened and cyber stalked by a crazy person who was upset at a difference of opinion about growing tomatoes.
391 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:38am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
All but the most bubbleheaded liberals want to give everythin away for free. What we need is a fair and equitqble distribution of opportunities, education, resources and infrastructure to allow people to work better to achieve the level of their abilities.
And it is not a matter of drum circles and chanting to promote peace, but part of it is recognizing that the USA is one nation in the world community and not the sole determining force in world politics.
392 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:58am |
re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lesson 1. Some customers are simply assholes. There is no amount of “excellent customer service” that will cure their assholliness. The best thing you can do, is ring them the fuck out.
(I hope that’s in the manual)
I agree with that.
But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”
Wrong. That’s why I was surprised that they called me 4 weeks ago. I figured I would never hear from them because I got the “big question” wrong.
393 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:05am |
396 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:49am |
re: #385 MandyManners
If true, it’ll turn the crime into not a racial crime but a case of just desserts.
Even the original theory wasn’t about race, but rather unpaid wages. For these folks though, it’s an article of faith that they are an endangered species. (And I’m betting that “species” is just the thing on their minds.)
397 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:44:34am |
re: #387 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Mandy, did you hear about DesertSage’s son?
The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.
399 | subsailor68 Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:45:47am |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
I agree with that.
But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”
Wrong. That’s why I was surprised that they called me 4 weeks ago. I figured I would never hear from them because I got the “big question” wrong.
Hi Walter! I worked with a guy who did marketing seminars. His view was:
The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer. Make your decisions accordingly.
400 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:00am |
re: #390 Jadespring
Or by just general crazy people who have some sort of mental disfunction and will get upset about even the most minor of quibbles. My foray into more open net communications was cut short when I got threatened and cyber stalked by a crazy person who was upset at a difference of opinion about growing tomatoes.
Exactly. A better policy would be to have the real names of trusted posters known to the Washington Post, but concealed from the general public. Their are simply too many Net Loons out there.
401 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:20am |
re: #391 ralphieboy
Like I said, I hope it works. I’d love to see it work!
402 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:28am |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
I agree with that.
But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”
Hehehe. Rule 1 of corporate life: Never make your manager feel stupid.
Rule 1b: Even if he/she *is* stupid.
Rule 1c: *Especially* if he/she is stupid.
403 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:33am |
Carter’s adviser projects a Middle East plan full of fallacies
Ex-President Jimmy Carter’s National Security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and former Democratic congressman Stephen Solarz have come up with yet another Middle East peace plan - this one, as published in the Washington Post, relies heavily on a dramatic Barack Obama peace odyssey to the region with a party of Arab leaders and Quartet (US, Russia, EU and UN) members climaxing in a dramatic speech “to all the peoples of the region” from the Old City of Jerusalem.
….
404 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:15am |
re: #402 Kruk
Hehehe. Rule 1 of corporate life: Never make your manager feel stupid.
Rule 1b: Even if he/she *is* stupid.
Rule 1c: *Especially* if he/she is stupid.
Rule 1:
The boss is always right.
Rule 2:
When the boss is wrong, refer to Rule 1.
405 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:25am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I personally; Would love to be wrong.
I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).
I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.
I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.
I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.
That would be nice, but unlikely. The best we can hope for after the crazy spending by both sides for decades won’t hurt as bad as some suspect. “There is no such thing as a free lunch”
I do see signs of a major recovery, but if we get it, the politicians will figure out a place to spend the extra money. Look how fast we pissed away the Clinton surpluses with Bush, than Obama outdid him.
406 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:32am |
408 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:38am |
re: #383 Walter L. Newton
I always kind of thought that the closer that Obama got to the comfy chair, the more sense some of W’s decisions would make.
Prescient. That’s me.
409 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:47am |
re: #399 subsailor68
Hi Walter! I worked with a guy who did marketing seminars. His view was:
The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer. Make your decisions accordingly.
Well, the HR manager told me “The customer is always right, but only until we get home and talk about them over the dinner table.”
411 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:48:09am |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.
Did you go into their “house”?
413 | Political Atheist Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:15am |
re: #404 reine.de.tout
Corollary-
When the Boss is happy everybody is happy.
414 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:27am |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.
How were you have a “blog skirmish?” Do you post at the stalker blog?
415 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:34am |
re: #379 Kruk
Never underestimate people’s ability to find a dark lining to every silver cloud. I can see it now “Yes, you’re employed, fed, housed and healthy, but are you FREE? Bread and circuses! Bread and circuses!”
Fox is already hyping possible dark linings that
“may” come. Inflation, VAT taxes, all looming storm clouds.
416 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:46am |
re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I personally; Would love to be wrong.
I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).
I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.
I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.
I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.
Bingo!
417 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:47am |
In honor of Holocaust Remembrance Day (yesterday)… Edward R Murrow on the radio reporting of what he saw at Buchenwald.
Never Forget. Never Again.
418 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:02am |
re: #409 Walter L. Newton
Well, the HR manager told me “The customer is always right, but only until we get home and talk about them over the dinner table.”
Oy. I can so relate to that. Frontline staff have no choice but to grin and bear it in public, but in private…
419 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:20am |
re: #413 Rightwingconspirator
Corollary-
When the Boss is happy everybody is happy.
Not if your Boss is a sadist.
421 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:55am |
re: #410 MandyManners
Killed in a dirtbike accident, Saturday, I think. Broken neck. Died instantly.
I emailed Hoops about it yesterday. Just wanted to make sure you knew too.
422 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:08am |
re: #403 NJDhockeyfan
Carter’s adviser projects a Middle East plan full of fallacies
Normally, I reject what DEBKA says as unreliable, but this time I think they are correct. Such a plan relies far too much on the personal skills of Barack Obama, who has not yet shown the ability to achieve such results. My own subsidiary analysis of the plan’s authors shows that they are still suffering from “leg tingles”.
423 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:16am |
re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I always kind of thought that the closer that Obama got to the comfy chair, the more sense some of W’s decisions would make.
Prescient. That’s me.
I mainly disagreed with Bush on Iraq, but it’s turning out better than I expected, the mad spending, not so much.
424 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:20am |
re: #419 Jadespring
Not if your Boss is a sadist.
Or when feeling his female employees up makes his happy.
425 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:21am |
Former Syrian agent fingers Hezb men for Hariri hit
KUWAIT CITY, April 11: Former Syrian secret intelligence agent Mohammad Zaheer Al-Sadiq - the main witness in the assassination case of martyr Rafiq Al-Hariri — has linked members of Hezbollah to the crime, while reaffirming the truthfulness of his confession to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
Talking to Al-Seyassah daily from one of the European countries where he is currently residing after leaving United Arab Emirates, Al-Sadiq said those behind the crime will tremble in fear after the issuance of an earth-shattering decision by the tribunal. He confirmed the logistical involvement of Hezbollah members in the assassination of Al-Hariri, but he does not know whether the Hezbollah leadership was aware of the group’s role in this crime.
Expressing surprise at the recent statement of Hezbollah General Secretary Hassan Nasrallah on the so-called ‘false witness’ prior to the issuance of the decision, Al-Sadiq stressed if Nasrallah is contemplating on the repetition of the May 7 tragedy, he is wrong because nobody can terrorize the court. He was referring to the attack on Beirut in May 2008.
Comparing some Hezbollah politicians to the gangs in Chicago, Al-Sadiq believes that resistance is more honorable than taking care of these people. He revealed during the Syrian rule in Lebanon every major and minor security operation took place due to the strong coordination between Hezbollah and the Syrian leadership, through the Syrian military intelligence.
426 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:30am |
re: #405 avanti
Well said.
In Bush’s defense? 911 was the beginning of the “pissing away of the surplus”.
But, the dude could spend some money, couldn’t he?
428 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:43am |
429 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:52:07am |
re: #410 MandyManners
Terrible, sad news. His son was killed in an accident.
430 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:52:16am |
re: #424 Jadespring
Or when feeling his female employees up makes his happy.
He seriously gets away with that in this day and age? Ye gods.
431 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:54:35am |
‘Scud Crisis’ Threatens War between Israel, Hizbullah
A “Scud Crisis” is threatening to ignite an all-out war between Israel and Hizbullah, the Kuwaiti al-Rai newspaper reported.
The daily said that Syria has delivered to Hizbullah Scud missiles, sparking a behind-the-scenes crisis after Israel informed Washington that “it will take steps if the U.S. didn’t find a solution to what the Jewish state considers a threat to its security.”
Following the Israeli warning, the U.S. State Department summoned Syrian ambassador Imad Mustafa and asked him “to inform his government about the level of danger if the missiles crossed the border,” al-Rai said.
Washington also reportedly told Mustafa that the U.S. and other parties are keen to achieve a peaceful solution to the crisis to avoid war.
The daily quoted U.S. sources as saying that Israel has sent indirect warnings to Syria through Turkey and Qatar that it would “bomb Lebanese and Syrian targets in case the missiles crossed the border … and reached Hizbullah.”
However, according to al-Rai, there are conflicting reports about the delivery of the Scud missiles to the Shiite party. Some sources in Washington confirm it, while others say the missiles didn’t cross the border into Lebanon.
433 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:56:54am |
434 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:57:31am |
re: #411 reine.de.tout
Did you go into their “house”?
They went after Ludwig, so I opened their latest thread to keep an eye on things. As normally happens, they saw my comments and responded with insults. The two sides sent out what Gus802 called “smoke signals” at each other for some time, culminating in a series of extremely vitriolic exchanges between Ludwig and Rodan. Rodan’s words were violent, Ludwig’s were obscene, so I will not repeat any of them. Then Rodan went to bed and it was announced that Desert_Sage’s son had died. At no time did post anything over there or praise them, though I did say a prayer here for the fallen and his family.
436 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:57:41am |
re: #425 NJDhockeyfan
Syria wants to maintain its own plausible deniability over its own actions in Lebanon and doesn’t want to invite further scrutiny over what it does there, so they’re letting some Hizbullah hang out to dry. That’s even as Hizbullah uses and relies upon Syrian assistance to get their weapons and equipment via Iran.
437 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:58:07am |
438 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:58:13am |
re: #421 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Killed in a dirtbike accident, Saturday, I think. Broken neck. Died instantly.
I emailed Hoops about it yesterday. Just wanted to make sure you knew too.
My condolences to the family.
439 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:59:52am |
re: #437 Joo-LiZ
Skeptical unless it pops up in anywhere in non-Arab media.
I was thinking about posting the 48 hour rule on that one. Isn’t that story in a Lebanese paper?
440 | Jadespring Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:00:54am |
re: #430 Kruk
He seriously gets away with that in this day and age? Ye gods.
Well I’m my own boss now. But yeah, when it’s a job which has a single owner there isn’t much you can do except quit or try to bring about some legal charges. Thought about doing that but the expense wasn’t worth it. I quit that job as soon as it started happening though not before the other woman and I metaphorically screwed him out of about ten grand and his reputation. He only had two employees so we waited until he had this big and important catering contract and quit the day of right before he was supposed to do it. Left him no time to find a replacement.
It was a relatively small community and so when I applied for other jobs and had to answer the ‘so why did you quit question’ or ‘can we call your past employer for a reference’ I told the truth.
Didn’t feel guilty at all.
441 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:01:49am |
re: #439 NJDhockeyfan
It’s source is a Kuwaiti paper though, doesn’t seem to be independently checked.
444 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:05:32am |
re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Norm McDonald had a funny bit about dobermans…
The Doberman used to be the scariest dogs around. Now with pit-bulls and rotweillers, the doberman’s sitting over in the corner; frisbee in his mouth saying, “I used to be somebody! I was a dober-man!”
Dobes are supposed to be good family dogs and very intuitive. I have a privacy fence up around my yard and I caught my new neighbors little kid sticking his fingers through my fence yesterday. I looked over at my girl and I thought she was licking the fence but she was cleaning his fingers. They’re very friendly unless they have a reason to think they shouldn’t be, good dogs all the way around.
445 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:05:37am |
re: #434 Dark_Falcon
holy cow.
Just peeked in at Sat threads there.
They don’t much like Mormons over there, do they?
Esp Romney.
446 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:02am |
re: #440 Jadespring
Heh. That happened to a manager I worked for once (no-where in same league as your old boss, just one that tended to run rough-shod over staff.) About four critical staff members quit at once, and she was like “Why is everyone leaving me?” I could think of several reasons, but I kept them to myself. I still had a few months left before it was right for *me* to leave.
447 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:37am |
re: #445 reine.de.tout
holy cow.
Just peeked in at Sat threads there.They don’t much like Mormons over there, do they?
Esp Romney.
They don’t like sane people much over there.
448 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:52am |
re: #442 MandyManners
I just dropped him a line.
Excellent. He can use all the support he can get. He used the word “devastated” yersterday.
450 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:07:43am |
re: #445 reine.de.tout
See why I don’t go to other sites?
452 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:14am |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
They don’t like sane people much over there.
Never darkened that door. Never will. Not for any reason whatsoever.
/GAH! … *shiver*
453 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:22am |
Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.
foxnews.com>foxnews.com>surprise./a>
455 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:47am |
re: #444 RogueOne
Richard Pryor… A Doberman’ll show the burglar where everything in the house is… then, when he wants to leave the doberman’ll change. (low growly voice) “You can’t leave; I want to play.” They find the burglar the next day… hand on the doorknob, frozen in fear…
456 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:17am |
re: #407 MandyManners
I disagree with the article’s contention that “terrorism is just another reason that Russia Is toast” and that tight ecnomic times mean the Russians won’t fight back. Russia wants Chechnya and the rest of the region for oil, timber and minerals. They’ll fight like hell to keep it.
After the USSR fell apart, Russia also faced the possibility of some of its autonomous regions spinning off into independent states. They have decided to pre-empt any moves in that direction with extreme prejudice, as they know that it would lead to even further disintegration.
457 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:18am |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
They don’t like sane people much over there.
Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.
458 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:37am |
re: #449 MandyManners
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!
To be fair, Mandy, we’ve been arming the Lebanese Army for quite some time. While they won’t fight Hizballah, neither do they slip weapons to them. The odds are strongly against the Hezzies getting a hold of this stuff.
459 | HoosierHoops Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:11:19am |
re: #454 MandyManners
I can’t imagine. His son was the apple of his eye.
He must be in horrible pain right now…I hope some day God will heal his heart and give his family grace.
460 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:11:45am |
re: #457 Kruk
Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.
Just think about it. If Obamacare fails, they will have Romney to blame.
461 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:00am |
re: #457 Kruk
I think he can say, “I don’t blame the President for trying! I did, it didn’t fucking work! I accept that responsibility. And I learned something too… now? We can’t stop it. That’s why I will have the thing repealed and we will start over. I promise a bill within a year.”
I could stand behind that.
462 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:18am |
re: #457 Kruk
Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.
and he’s Mormon. Not enough to put off sane, rational people who vote based on a candidates, record, experience, policy and strength of character, but enough to put off a lot of religious bigots.
464 | RogueOne Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:34am |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Richard Pryor… A Doberman’ll show the burglar where everything in the house is… then, when he wants to leave the doberman’ll change. (low growly voice) “You can’t leave; I want to play.” They find the burglar the next day… hand on the doorknob, frozen in fear…
That’s funny cuz it’s true. I had a customer come in the back door figuring it was fine since he had met the dog multiple times. He came in when no one was back there and she stopped him in the middle of the room. He said whenever he moved her hair would go up and she would show all her teeth so he couldn’t make it out the door or into the office. He stood there for 15 minutes or so before one of the guys found him.
465 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:51am |
re: #449 MandyManners
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!
It’s Bush’s fault./
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese forces battling Islamic militants inside Lebanon will be resupplied by a shipment of U.S. military ammunition, which is expected to arrive within two days, senior U.S. officials told CNN on Thursday.
In the meantime, both sides flatly rejected calls to surrender.
A statement attributed to Fatah al-Islam was sent Thursday to several media outlets in Lebanon, saying the militant group intends ” to blow up several crusaders’ universities and schools tomorrow in the event the Lebanese army does not surrender.” Crusaders usually refers to Americans or Westerners. (Watch what so unnerves the Lebanese people about the violence Video)
Responding to Lebanon’s call for immediate military assistance, the U.S. military will send as many as six cargo flights carrying ammunition to Lebanon, the officials said.
One senior U.S. military official said it is rare to send military flights on such a mission, considering the sensitive nature of the United States’ role in the Middle East. But the Bush administration decided it could not wait to charter commercial cargo planes for the resupply mission, the official said. (Watch Palestinians flee during a lull in the combat Video)
467 | Gus Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:13:24am |
REALITY CHECK
A) The United States has not and will not arm Hizballah.
B) The United States has shipped arms to Lebanon before. This is one example:
Lebanon to receive weapons shipment from U.S.
POSTED: 11:30 p.m. EDT, May 24, 2007
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese forces battling Islamic militants inside Lebanon will be resupplied by a shipment of U.S. military ammunition, which is expected to arrive within two days, senior U.S. officials told CNN on Thursday.
In the meantime, both sides flatly rejected calls to surrender.
A statement attributed to Fatah al-Islam was sent Thursday to several media outlets in Lebanon, saying the militant group intends ” to blow up several crusaders’ universities and schools tomorrow in the event the Lebanese army does not surrender.” Crusaders usually refers to Americans or Westerners. (Watch what so unnerves the Lebanese people about the violence Video)
Responding to Lebanon’s call for immediate military assistance, the U.S. military will send as many as six cargo flights carrying ammunition to Lebanon, the officials said.
One senior U.S. military official said it is rare to send military flights on such a mission, considering the sensitive nature of the United States’ role in the Middle East. But the Bush administration decided it could not wait to charter commercial cargo planes for the resupply mission, the official said. (Watch Palestinians flee during a lull in the combat Video)
The senior officials stressed that the flights are carrying only supplies for Lebanese forces, and the U.S. military has no intention of involving its troops in the fighting, which began Sunday.
469 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:00am |
re: #454 MandyManners
I can’t imagine. His son was the apple of his eye.
I can’t either. I’m the Daddy of a first-born female child (if you get the drift.) Words do not come when trying to visualize what it must be like.
BTW, if you want, my nic is blue.
471 | Gus Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:27am |
re: #449 MandyManners
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!
The USA is not arming Hizballah. Stop spreading false rumors.
472 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:37am |
re: #453 avanti
Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.
That link didn’t work. Here’s a good one:
473 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:11am |
re: #449 MandyManners
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!
Obama blocks delivery of bunker-busters to Israel
WASHINGTON — The United States has diverted a shipment of bunker-busters designated for Israel.Officials said the U.S. military was ordered to divert a shipment of smart bunker-buster bombs from Israel to a military base in Diego Garcia. They said the shipment of 387 smart munitions had been slated to join pre-positioned U.S. military equipment in Israel Air Force bases.
“This was a political decision,” an official said.
In 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Officials said delivery of the weapons was held up by the administration of President Barack Obama, Middle East Newsline reported.
Since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. Officials said this included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E.
“All signs indicate that this will continue in 2010,” a congressional source familiar with the Israeli military requests said. “This is really an embargo, but nobody talks about it publicly.”
475 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:24am |
re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think he can say, “I don’t blame the President for trying! I did, it didn’t fucking work! I accept that responsibility. And I learned something too… now? We can’t stop it. That’s why I will have the thing repealed and we will start over. I promise a bill within a year.”
I could stand behind that.
I would respect that if I believed it was sincere. The problem is that Romney seems to have a pattern of saying whatever his current electorate wants to hear him say. (Pro-choice, pro-universal coverage, even pro-gay rights when he was running for governor of a liberal state, the opposite when he is running in a republican primary.) If his primary opponents don’t nail him on it, you can bet the Obama campaign will.
476 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:25am |
re: #466 MandyManners
See what they’re doing in Kyrgyzstan.
That is an independent Republic, I am talking about the numerous Autonomous Regions like Chechnya, Osseita, Mordvia and Dagestan, many of whom feel left out because they cannot set up their own republics.
479 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:17:09am |
re: #468 MandyManners
How can they keep the arms away from Hizballah?
Their use is monitored by officers and NCO’s not loyal to Hizballah. Further, the Hezzies have a political arrangement with the rest of Lebanon. Part of that has long been mutual non-confrontation between them and the army. Both are careful not to provoke the other.
481 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:19:14am |
re: #468 MandyManners
How can they keep the arms away form Hizballah?
The theory is the weapons are used mostly against Hizballah, in support of the government and without them, Hizallah could overthrow the government.
Just like some US weapons given to the Iraqis end up with the bad guys, the same may do the same in Lebanon, but that does not mean we won’t support the enemy of our enemy.
482 | Charles Johnson Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:19:34am |
483 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:20:00am |
re: #481 avanti
I’d say our plan of arming the Sunni militants was far more risky than giving arms to the Lebanese army.
485 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:15am |
re: #473 NJDhockeyfan
That story was desputed weeks ago, try again.
486 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:41am |
re: #478 MandyManners
I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.
If both of you will e-mail me, I’ll put you together.
e-mail addy is in my profile and at the cookbook blog.
This is also an open invite for anyone.
487 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:54am |
488 | Charles Johnson Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:55am |
re: #473 NJDhockeyfan
And yet another false story.
490 | bratwurst Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:22:23am |
re: #477 Gus 802
Another BS story.
This same source also includes the dubious headline “U.S. drops Iran, Syria from airport watch list”
493 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:16am |
re: #481 avanti
The theory is the weapons are used mostly against Hizballah, in support of the government and without them, Hizallah could overthrow the government.
Just like some US weapons given to the Iraqis end up with the bad guys, the same may do the same in Lebanon, but that does not mean we won’t support the enemy of our enemy.
Agreed. It also helps prevent Syria from getting back the level of control it once had.
495 | Gus Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:45am |
re: #490 bratwurst
This same source also includes the dubious headline “U.S. drops Iran, Syria from airport watch list”
Does it? That’s too much. I started checking but I have to head to the store.
496 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:10am |
I really wish that the number of false accusations about Obama’s administration vis-a-vis Israel would just slow down a little bit, because it’s getting very hard to keep track of what is actually happening. There is a real risk here of anything Israel-related turning into ‘crying wolf’.
After enough of these bogus stories are disproved, what incentive will anyone have to look into the next story, rather than simply dismissing it out of hand?
497 | jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:25am |
re: #482 Charles
Yes, it IS “unfuckingbelievable.” Literally.
Sigh.
Makes me think of this…
Maybe the Middle East would be a nicer place if the US just picked a side and stuck with it…
498 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:39am |
re: #478 MandyManners
I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.
Hoops has my email address, if round-about is an option.
499 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:42am |
re: #467 Gus 802
The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.
But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.
500 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:14am |
re: #486 reine.de.tout
If both of you will e-mail me, I’ll put you together.
e-mail addy is in my profile and at the cookbook blog.
This is also an open invite for anyone.
Will do.
501 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:49am |
re: #496 Obdicut
I really wish that the number of false accusations about Obama’s administration vis-a-vis Israel would just slow down a little bit, because it’s getting very hard to keep track of what is actually happening. There is a real risk here of anything Israel-related turning into ‘crying wolf’.
After enough of these bogus stories are disproved, what incentive will anyone have to look into the next story, rather than simply dismissing it out of hand?
It’s just the daily run of the “Outrageous Outrage!1” Express, designed to keep the teabaggers fired up and hatin’.
502 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:56am |
re: #489 MandyManners
I’m talking about BOTH.
Russia can only exert indirect influence on the politics of the ex-Soviet republics, and the sight of what is happening there is enough to motivate them to clamp down hard on anything that remained within the borders of the Russian Federation
503 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #492 MandyManners
Why is Arutz Sheva reporting it? Are you saying the report is a lie, made up of whole cloth?
Mandy, the part about arming Lebanon is true, we’ve done it for years, the part about arming Hezbollah is the lie.
504 | Gus Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:27:32am |
re: #499 lawhawk
The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.
But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.
Thanks for the info.
Regardless, it’s just a continuation of previous policy.
The Bush White House armed Lebanon as Avanti and me pointed out.
BBL
505 | bratwurst Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:27:35am |
re: #495 Gus 802
Does it? That’s too much. I started checking but I have to head to the store.
Here’s another headline they have:
“Top Obama advisor’s recommendation: Reconcile with Hizbullah”
507 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:13am |
re: #499 lawhawk
And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.
508 | Summer Seale Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:24am |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
I was just about to post that too!
What an idiotic thing to say. Also: just what the Republicans need even more. Some guy with a thicker than molasses southern accent shooting off his mouth about how slavery wasn’t really an issue.
Great party image. I wonder: did somebody teach them how to shoot themselves in the foot, or did they sorta figure that part out all on their own?
509 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:35am |
re: #478 MandyManners
I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.
So how’s the weather in North Korea today?
/
510 | Lidane Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:59am |
Morning, Lizards!
Today, I’m a bundle of nerves. I just asked two of my former professors for grad school recommendations. Here’s hoping they say yes. *crosses fingers*
Also, courtesy of Balloon Juice:
Fun times.
511 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:30:32am |
512 | jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:30:50am |
re: #507 Obdicut
And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.
We’ve got you over a barrel
Of imported Saudi Crude
When you fill your tanks
We all give thanks
God Bless the USA!
(Some political satirist in song)
513 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:31:24am |
re: #510 Lidane
My fiancee had one recommendation letter that took the dude more than a month to write. She had to facebook-harass me to get it.
Best of luck with both the recommendations and acceptance— what’s your field of study?
514 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:31:35am |
re: #504 Gus 802
Thanks for the info.
Regardless, it’s just a continuation of previous policy.
The Bush White House armed Lebanon as Avanti and me pointed out.
BBL
The whole outrage is silly. We arm Pakistan, and that could “go south”, and the same with Iraq and Afghanistan.
516 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:32:48am |
re: #512 jamesfirecat
I want to be a Wahabi
in a Saudi prince’s garden in the shade…
517 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33:07am |
re: #507 Obdicut
Indeed - and that’s been a bone of contention for a good long time - that the weapons systems sold by the US to various regimes around the region that were “friendly” to the US at the time might end up in the hands of the jihadis directly (such as via a government takeover, see Iran) or indirectly (handing off weapons to jihadis to fight elsewhere as a relief valve to maintain control just a wee bit longer).
518 | Lidane Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:23am |
re: #513 Obdicut
My fiancee had one recommendation letter that took the dude more than a month to write. She had to facebook-harass me to get it.
Best of luck with both the recommendations and acceptance— what’s your field of study?
Thanks. I hope they say yes. I’ve offered to bring the paperwork by their office. I’ll even offer to hand deliver everything when they’re done if it gets it done faster.
This is the degree I’m hoping to get. With any luck, I’ll get into the program.
519 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:37am |
re: #515 MandyManners
I can’t find anything other than the israelnationnews.com link.
Don’t let that hold you back from the outrage of the day post, one might be true at some point.
520 | ryannon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:42am |
re: #499 lawhawk
The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.
But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.
Bingo. And that’s exactly how it works there.
We’re not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.
522 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:10am |
re: #510 Lidane
Morning, Lizards!
Today, I’m a bundle of nerves. I just asked two of my former professors for grad school recommendations. Here’s hoping they say yes. *crosses fingers*
Also, courtesy of Balloon Juice:
Fun times.
Oooh, I remember that horrible wait. Let’s say that my undergraduate grade average wasn’t the greatest. Luckily in pharmacy, having a professional registration and experience was a lot more important than grades. My wife, on the other hand, has a maths masters degree with first class honours, and still worries if she’ll get into a PhD programme becuse her field is so competitve. There’s a lot of that sort of luck involved. All the best to you.
523 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:29am |
re: #508 Summer
I was just about to post that too!
What an idiotic thing to say. Also: just what the Republicans need even more. Some guy with a thicker than molasses southern accent shooting off his mouth about how slavery wasn’t really an issue.
Great party image. I wonder: did somebody teach them how to shoot themselves in the foot, or did they sorta figure that part out all on their own?
Thanks Summer. I think that Barbour wasn’t really thinking about the national image. His main concern was likely his own constituents, and sadly he’s not wrong when he says that “Confederate History Month” is not controversial in Mississippi (among white people, that is).
524 | Qabal Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:38am |
OT: Nope, no racism in the Tea Party, none at all…
526 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:36:40am |
re: #507 Obdicut
And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.
Lebanon and Saudi aren’t in the same the situation.
Arutz Sheva jumps the gun a bit in saying arming Lebanon is the exact same as arming Hizballah, but I agree with LawHawk.
The Lebanese government is held hostage to Hizballah, and while I hope these weapons would be used in a worst case scenario to defend Lebanon against Hizballah, the odds are more likely they would be used by Hizballah.
The line between the Lebanese government and Hizballah has been majorly blurred in the last year or so. The “good” March 14th coalition has essentially surrendered itself, with major leaders like Hariri and Jumblatt making their way to Syria to pay homage to Assad despite major personal grievances there.
When the US decided it no longer cared to support March 14 against the March 8 forces, and preferred to leave Lebanon to it’s own machinations, things there went south.
527 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:37:23am |
re: #517 lawhawk
Indeed - and that’s been a bone of contention for a good long time - that the weapons systems sold by the US to various regimes around the region that were “friendly” to the US at the time might end up in the hands of the jihadis directly (such as via a government takeover, see Iran) or indirectly (handing off weapons to jihadis to fight elsewhere as a relief valve to maintain control just a wee bit longer).
We’ve got to run those risks sometimes. We’ve gotten burned by it sometimes, but it’s not a safe world. We need to be willing to take calculated risks.
529 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:38:46am |
531 | bratwurst Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:39:16am |
re: #524 Qabal
OT: Nope, no racism in the Tea Party, none at all…
One email shows a video of an African tribal dance, entitled “Obama Inauguration Rehearsal”
Must EVERY criticism of Obama be termed racist?
/
532 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:08am |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
We’ve got to run those risks sometimes. We’ve gotten burned by it sometimes, but it’s not a safe world. We need to be willing to take calculated risks.
If only someone was actually doing some calculating!
Seem to me like they are taking arbitrary risks without weighing them much.
533 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:33am |
re: #521 MandyManners
They are playing a similar game with Byelorussia, allowing a petty dictator to run them into the ground to the point that they will come running back and ask to taken into a federation with Russia.
Solzhenitsyn pointed out that Russia has the largest diaspora in history since the break-up of the USSR.
And where ethnic Russians were once a pampered elite in the satellite republics, they now often find themselves a minority subject to discrimiation.
534 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:53am |
re: #531 bratwurst
Must EVERY criticism of Obama be termed racist?
/
He’s simply brave enough to be “politically incorrect”, and sophisticated enough to do “ethnic humour”.
//
535 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:41:13am |
re: #528 MandyManners
WTF? Why the snark?
Because you have a knack for finding obscure links to unproven right wing talking points. Like some links to leftie talking points, the lizards will sort them out.
536 | bratwurst Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:41:23am |
re: #534 Kruk
He’s simply brave enough to be “politically incorrect”, and sophisticated enough to do “ethnic humour”.
//
SATIRE!!
/Rush
537 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:42:01am |
re: #514 avanti
The whole outrage is silly. We arm Pakistan, and that could “go south”, and the same with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Pakistan I take issue with, also, but at least the argument can be made that they are actively fighting in their tribal regions. Iraq and Afghanistan are also fighting against US enemies.
Lebanon has already capitulated.
As I said up above, the redeeming possibility here is if there was a way to ensure these arms remained in non-Hizballah factions to balance the powers there.
538 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:42:55am |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
I think that calculation was missed a long time ago. We armed far too many tinpot dictators during the Cold War who used those arms to oppress their own populace.
Eisenhower had a very good point, and was largely ignored.
539 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:43:28am |
re: #506 MandyManners
Check your email Inbox.
540 | lawhawk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:21am |
re: #529 avanti
And pointing out that Pakistan could go south has potentially greater consequences given that they are a nuclear power and have a significant military capability. They also share a long disputed border with India and should the jihadis rise to power in Pakistan lead to bad things happening there. As it is, there are regular skirmishes across the Line of Control despite both the Indian and Pakistani governments trying to keep things calm there.
The US is even acting as an intermediary between the Pakistanis and Indians following the Mumbai attacks to get Pakistan to crack down against LeT moreso than it had done in the past - particularly because of a rapproachment between the US and India that began during the Bush Administration.
As an aside, the Pakistanis are apparently in the midst of a major military campaign in the NWFP sending more than 200,000 fleeing the violence. That’s all part of the move to quell the Taliban/al Qaeda in the region.
541 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:47am |
Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?
‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy
A new activist group, Crash The Tea Party, has sprung up on the web with the sole intention of “dismantling and demolishing” the entire tea party movement. Crash’s mission statement goes on to explain “our goal is to derail the fake Tea party movement by crashing the party and highlighting the absurdity of them.” Crash repeatedly refers to tea party supporters as “racists, morons and homophobes.”
Although Crash’s website states that they will take down the tea party “by any non-violent means necessary”, the anonymous founder of the group (known as the “Mad Hatter” or Twitter name “tpartycrasher”) tweeted this on April 8th:
“When Glenn Beck dies, I plan to pour a pint of whiskey on his grave. I hope he doesn’t mind if I run it through my kidneys first!!!.”
Mad Hatter, Crash the Tea Party Founder The group, who has garnered a decent amount of press attention from major cable news and conservative talk radio, says they’ve already infiltrated meetings and rallies with the intent purpose of portraying ‘real’ tea partiers in a negative light in front of the mainstream media. Misspelled signs, extreme TV interviews, and misinformation about events are some of the tactics being used by the group.
542 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:52am |
re: #535 avanti
Because you have a knack for finding obscure links to unproven right wing talking points. Like some links to leftie talking points, the lizards will sort them out.
Wow, avanti! This is a side of you we rarely see. Watching you go toe-to-toe with Mandy is a change from the meek and mild avanti of old. Positive karma agrees with you.
543 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:02am |
544 | Killgore Trout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:08am |
Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…..
Obama is uppity
545 | jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:15am |
re: #538 Obdicut
I think that calculation was missed a long time ago. We armed far too many tinpot dictators during the Cold War who used those arms to oppress their own populace.
Eisenhower had a very good point, and was largely ignored.
In the 80’s there was cold war drama…
There were commies inside Nicaragua
Our friends were the contras
Freedom was there mantra,
So we gave them lost of money for guns and land mines!
546 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:27am |
re: #537 Joo-LiZ
Pakistan I take issue with, also, but at least the argument can be made that they are actively fighting in their tribal regions. Iraq and Afghanistan are also fighting against US enemies.
Lebanon has already capitulated.
As I said up above, the redeeming possibility here is if there was a way to ensure these arms remained in non-Hizballah factions to balance the powers there.
Nope, no guarantees in foreign policy. i.e. arming Osama was a great way to mess with Russia at the time, but it turned out badly in the end.
547 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:46:36am |
re: #540 lawhawk
And pointing out that Pakistan could go south has potentially greater consequences given that they are a nuclear power and have a significant military capability. They also share a long disputed border with India and should the jihadis rise to power in Pakistan lead to bad things happening there. As it is, there are regular skirmishes across the Line of Control despite both the Indian and Pakistani governments trying to keep things calm there.
The US is even acting as an intermediary between the Pakistanis and Indians following the Mumbai attacks to get Pakistan to crack down against LeT moreso than it had done in the past - particularly because of a rapproachment between the US and India that began during the Bush Administration.
As an aside, the Pakistanis are apparently in the midst of a major military campaign in the NWFP sending more than 200,000 fleeing the violence. That’s all part of the move to quell the Taliban/al Qaeda in the region.
The trouble with the Pakistani fighting in the Tribal areas is that they only really fight against the Taliban that wants to destabilize Pakistan, and are more than willing to leave the Afghan Taliban intact.
But something is better than nothing, and US pressure seems to have succeeded in getting them to take the Taliban there seriously.
I’m a big fan of The Long War Journal for news on that front.
548 | Killgore Trout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:46:47am |
re: #541 NJDhockeyfan
Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?
‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy
No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?
549 | jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:47:04am |
re: #541 NJDhockeyfan
Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?
‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy
Poe’s law.
550 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:47:39am |
re: #548 Killgore Trout
I say we blame everything the Democrats have done on Rush’s “Operation Chaos”.
551 | Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:48:20am |
re: #549 jamesfirecat
Poe’s law.
The Tea Party is perfectly capable of shooting itself in the foot, just give ‘em enough time and media coverage.
552 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:48:51am |
re: #548 Killgore Trout
No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?
They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.
553 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:49:52am |
re: #546 avanti
Nope, no guarantees in foreign policy. i.e. arming Osama was a great way to mess with Russia at the time, but it turned out badly in the end.
I’m not saying it’s risk-free to arm any of the other examples.
But what is the current advantage of arming the Lebanese Army?
I’m not totally against it, as I’ve said I hope they have a mechanism to make sure these arms are used as more of a “balance of powers” and kept out of Hizballah hands.
But if this is just a direct shipment into Lebanese Army caches, I would count on Hizballah having full access to it in a confrontation.
554 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:50:04am |
re: #551 ralphieboy
The Tea Party is perfectly capable of shooting itself in the foot, just give ‘em enough time and media coverage.
Now they have an excuse, blame it on that new activist group. The insanity will never end.
555 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:50:56am |
re: #544 Killgore Trout
Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…
Obama is uppity
To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.
556 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:51:03am |
re: #544 Killgore Trout
Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…
Obama is uppity
In fairness, the one sign does not say uppity, and I don’t have a problem with the Jefferson quote since resistance is not necessarily a call to violence. Both could be a bit of a dog whistle, but the other signs are over the top.
557 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:52:16am |
re: #554 NJDhockeyfan
Now they have an excuse, blame it on that new activist group. The insanity will never end.
The insanity won’t end but once enough sane people realize it’s insane, they’ll push it back into the shadows where it normally stays.
558 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:52:41am |
re: #552 NJDhockeyfan
They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.
I found a FB page founded April 8, 2010, now with 970 members nationwide.
I wonder how many of those will take a really active role in “crashing”?
Seems like more of a venting mechanism to me, at least right now, rather than an actual movement.
560 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:54:28am |
re: #555 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.
Great minds, think alike. :) (even polar opposites politically )
561 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:12am |
562 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:23am |
Just to make the Saudi Arabia point more strongly:
We ship them billions of dollars worth of arms.
The Saudi government is closely tied to the a World Assembly of Muslim Youth, a militant, pro-Sharia, pro-conversion organization that funds terrorism.
The head of WAMY is Saleh al-Sheikh, who is in the Suadi government as the head of Islamic Affairs.
563 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:42am |
re: #558 reine.de.tout
I found a FB page founded April 8, 2010, now with 970 members nationwide.
I wonder how many of those will take a really active role in “crashing”?
Seems like more of a venting mechanism to me, at least right now, rather than an actual movement.
Let’s hope so. With all the publicity they are receiving right now the may get a rush of new memberships right now and make this summer extra miserable.
564 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:43am |
re: #550 Obdicut
I say we blame everything the Democrats have done on Rush’s “Operation Chaos”.
Heh. I have this fantasy that since many people seriously doubted whether a African-American could be elected president (right up to the election itself), the “Operation Chaos” people were ordered to support Obama in the primary. And then, come November 2008, Rush had an “Oh, s**t!” moment.
565 | reine.de.tout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:56:35am |
566 | avanti Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:57:43am |
567 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:58:05am |
re: #563 NJDhockeyfan
Let’s hope so. With all the publicity they are receiving right now the may get a rush of new memberships right now and make this summer extra miserable.
From the Dem’s point of view, it might not be a bad thing. A major problem they’re having is apathy in their own base. If the Tea Party is front and centre, it will get more Democrat voters to the polls.
568 | Killgore Trout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:58:17am |
re: #552 NJDhockeyfan
They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.
There’s a page on the internet? It must be true.
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569 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:59:18am |
re: #561 avanti
Get out of my head Dark.
I can’t do that, I’m afraid. Your brains are far too full of useful facts to leave right now. After I pull those files on Studebaker trucks during WWII, I’ll get going.
//
570 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:00:17am |
re: #567 Kruk
From the Dem’s point of view, it might not be a bad thing. A major problem they’re having is apathy in their own base. If the Tea Party is front and centre, it will get more Democrat voters to the polls.
If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.
571 | Killgore Trout Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:01:11am |
re: #555 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.
The arrogance claim is steeped in racism. I can’t give these people the benefit of doubt.
572 | jamesfirecat Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:02:06am |
re: #570 NJDhockeyfan
If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.
How exactly can they be exposed?
Do they have some kind of Liberal Mark on their bodies which proves which way they vote? Do they have a donkey tattooed on their right arm in blue ink if we make them role up their sleeves?
Like I said, Poe’s Law.
573 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:02:40am |
re: #572 jamesfirecat
Yeah. I can’t think of anything a liberal plant would do that’s worse than what’s already happened, anyway. Take a look at the next thread.
575 | Kruk Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:00am |
re: #570 NJDhockeyfan
If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.
If they were “plants” trying to smear the Tea Party, I would agree. That’s something no-one should do. If they were actually getting out there, and exercising their own right to speech rather than letting the Tea Party own the commons, I would say it’s a good thing.
576 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:19am |
re: #548 Killgore Trout
No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?
Ah, the recursion is now at false-flag false-flag operations; e.g. fake operations acting as a fake operation attempting to discredit a group by portraying them in a bad light.
577 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:33am |
re: #571 Killgore Trout
The arrogance claim is steeped in racism. I can’t give these people the benefit of doubt.
I don’t agree, respectfully.
578 | Joo-LiZ Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:11:15am |
re: #562 Obdicut
Just to make the Saudi Arabia point more strongly:
We ship them billions of dollars worth of arms.
The Saudi government is closely tied to the a World Assembly of Muslim Youth, a militant, pro-Sharia, pro-conversion organization that funds terrorism.
The head of WAMY is Saleh al-Sheikh, who is in the Suadi government as the head of Islamic Affairs.
Is that group armed/arming itself, and not just arming itself, but arming itself within Saudi?
Saudi is a notorious exporter of Wahhabi ideology. But that is not the same an actively arming, well-trained guerrilla force with factions within the government and army.
579 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:17:22am |
re: #578 Joo-LiZ
They provide the religious police for a lot of Islamic communities. They have a worldwide network, and funnel arms and money to terrorists.
I’m not really sure what you’re asking. They’re terrorist-supporting assholes, and a Suadi government official is the head of the group.
580 | simoom Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:39:48am |
re: #453 avanti
Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.
That Fox article sort of relegates the nuts to the Tea Party’s fringe, but what makes it kind of great is how (intentionally I imagine) unselfaware the article is, as nearly every fringe belief described has been pushed by a major FNC personality.
FTA:
Though Obama is a Christian — and his Christian faith was a focal point of debate during the campaign-era controversy over his former pastor Jeremiah Wright — the allegations that the president is a secret Muslim persist years later.
During the campaign FNC was one of the main pushers of the fake Muslim madrassa story.
The charge of socialism has been a common theme at Tea Party gatherings — but some activists have gone beyond merely portraying Obama as a European-style, big-government liberal.Some suggest Obama wants to keep Americans unemployed so that they become dependent on government-run programs. Lenin and Stalin have become catchwords to describe Obama in the speeches denouncing his policies.
Going further, swastikas, as well as pictures of Obama’s face next to Adolf Hitler’s, have appeared on signs at dozens of rallies blasting the president and the Democrat-controlled Congress.
Beck.
Other Tea Party members continue to question the president’s citizenship — a sign reading “Show Us Your Birth Certificate” popped up at a recent rally in Traverse City, Mich.“What’s more disturbing is that he’s not answering them,” Tea Party member and conservative blogger Andrea Shay King said of the questions over Obama’s birthplace.
Hannity.
Questionable characterizations of the massive health care legislation have also resurfaced at Tea Party gatherings.Ron Moore of Petoskey, Mich., said he stood firm in his belief that the Democrats’ goal was to implement “death panels” to decide who receives medical care and who does not.
“They’ve already started,” he said.
Palin.
One positive thing in the article does do though is that it compares objectionable Tea Party signs, in an attempt downplay them, to some of the nastier signs that were directed at President Bush. Since FNC spent an enormous amount of their airtime, over the last decade, broadcasting outrage about the latter, you’d think connecting the two should be a call for introspection on the network’s part.