1 freetoken  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:51:52pm

The clouds tell me that rain is coming…
Wish the roof didn’t leak.

2 freetoken  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:54:34pm

Sun’s rays pierce those clouds,
On a cold spring day, April,
They bring May’s flowers.

3 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:55:44pm

I think my kitty likes the photo. As soon as the page loaded, she gave a little trill as she gazed forward.

4 freetoken  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:59:40pm

re: #3 eclectic infidel

Did you realize that teh kitteh is now an Apple authorized accessory?

5 Querent  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:23:21pm

re: #4 freetoken

Did you realize that teh kitteh is now an Apple authorized accessory?

run away…

6 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:32:28pm

Time for me to get the bed. Sleep well, alll

7 bagua  Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:58:48pm

Weather, not Climate.

8 bagua  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:01:41am

Bad Weather


- Avery Brady
9 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:28:23am

If anybody’s still out there, I have a question: At what point does a hatchling become a lizard? Length of time since registration? Number of posts? Quality of posts? Proven ability to survive X number of bare-knuckled brawls without completely losing one’s dignity? A combination of the above?

Just curious, as always. ;o)

10 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:32:55am

Nate Phelps, son of Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) in his first television interview on the Canadian program, The Standard.

Nate Phelps

My name is Nate Phelps. I am one of the estranged children of Pastor Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church. I am assuming that you know about my father and his church if you have found your way to this site.

Since my father began his latest assault on some segment of the world in 1991, I have been approached from time to time, and asked to provide my perspective on this story. I have obliged, and a few more people are made aware of the dark, or should I say darker, side of my father…

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:39:36am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

I cannot say definitively, but I would say that at the point that somebody takes up one of your posts, quotes it and/or and continues the thread based on it, then you are a member of the community.

12 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:47:18am

re: #11 ralphieboy

Thanks, ralphieboy.

13 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:10:15am

Gray skies are gonna clear up,
Put on a happy face!
Brush off the clouds and cheer up,
Put on a happy face!

Take off that gloomy mask of tragedy,
It’s not your style.
You’ll look so good that you’ll be glad ya decided to smile!

Pick out a pleasant outlook,
Stick out that noble chin,
Wipe off that full-of-doubt look,
Slap on a happy grin!

And spread sunshine all over the place,
Just put on a happy face!

14 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:33:14am

re: #10 Gus 802

That group is beyond vile. I wonder how people are able to carry around such venom without dropping dead from the toxicity of it…

15 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 1:38:34am

Good morning and see you all in a few weeks or, perhaps, months.
My laptop is going, going, and soon to be, gone! :(
Backing up everything as I type.
Wheee!

16 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:00:08am

re: #8 bagua

Bad Weather


[Video]
- Avery Brady

Stormy Weather

17 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:16:45am
18 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:29:44am

Heavy Weather

19 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:42:00am

Jack Kerouac on Charlie Parker

Parker playing “All the Things You Are”

20 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:44:32am

Snoring Duck in Walmart:

21 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 2:48:57am

April
Come she will

When streams are swelled and ripe with rain
May
She will stay
Resting in my arms again
- S&G

Good Morning LGF

22 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:02:58am

Fools said I you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
- S&G

23 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:09:00am

re: #22 Spare O’Lake

Monday mornings are the hardest….

24 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:10:29am

I can gather all the news I need on the weather report…
- S&G

25 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:14:31am

re: #14 CuriousLurker

That group is beyond vile. I wonder how people are able to carry around such venom without dropping dead from the toxicity of it…

Well, from their perspective, it’s normal. Besides, I think they feed off the publicity generated by their antics - heck it’s free advertising!

Seems I’ve got insomnia this morning.

See, you’re almost a lizard.

26 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:18:13am

re: #24 Spare O’Lake

I can gather all the news I need on the weather report…
- S&G


You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind’s blowing….

27 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:12:42am

Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:

timesofmalta.com


Two billboards in Marsa advertising the Pope’s visit to Malta got the unlikely addition of two stencilled images of what looks like a panda. It is not clear why the “artist” in question juxtaposed the bears with the Pope. The organising committee was alerted yesterday morning and it plans to erase the images.

“Panda” print in question:

Image: 20100410—102856-loc_25.jpg

28 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:22:10am

I’m up!

Well sort of…

29 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:25:35am

Oh cool. I just noticed that there are actually birds in our purple martin house this year. The thing has been up for almost 3 years and no bird has moved in.

30 laZardo  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:34:23am

re: #27 RogueOne

Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:

[Link: www.timesofmalta.com…]

“Panda” print in question:

Image: 20100410—102856-loc_25.jpg

[i-see-what-you-did-there-squint]

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:35:50am

Y’all seen this? Found it yesterday. It’s for real.

Type your name in… there is a great chance that a lot of your information is here.

I didn’t want it there. I clicked privacy on the home page, and followed the directions, it went away.

32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:36:40am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y’all seen this? Found it yesterday. It’s for real.

Type your name in… there is a great chance that a lot of your information is here.

I didn’t want it there. I clicked privacy on the home page, and followed the directions, it went away.

I meant THIS…

Oops.

33 SixDegrees  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:41:27am

re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Type your area code and phone number into Google and see what turns up.

They also have an option to block such information.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:44:45am

re: #33 SixDegrees

This one was kind of neat… you pay 5.00 per month, you will find out the person’s credit rating, income, a bunch of stuff.

I am thinking of signing up. That might cut out some of the bullshit in my appointment running.

35 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:45:56am

I just tested myself, name and email, and although the general location was right the rest of the info was all wrong and pulled up other peoples info.

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:47:44am

re: #35 Jadespring

It is a fairly new site, as I understand it, I also understand that once you get into the paid part of the site, the accuracy increases dramatically. Like I said, I’m thinking of signing up.

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:49:31am

Watching “Sunrise Earth”; Aspendos, Turkey. Watching an 80 year old man pick oranges at the base of the “Siphon Towers”…

Gosh, I love this show.

38 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:55:16am

I’m trying to decide what to do today.

39 thedopefishlives  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 4:56:33am

Good morning, Lizards. It’s been a while since I’ve come to hang out with you guys, but I’ve been very busy establishing myself in my new home. This weekend was project weekend: Planting, laying drainage pipe, repairing the dishwasher, and such like. Today it rains, which kinda puts a damper on all the activity, but at least I got done what needed to get done. Anything major explode while I was away?

40 Sigma_x  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:01:06am

Scott Brown disses the Tea Party.

That didn’t take very long, now did it?

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:06:05am

re: #39 thedopefishlives

laying drainage pipe

That what you kids are calling it these days?

42 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:06:13am

This won’t go over well…

Bishop ‘blames Jews’ for criticism of Catholic church record on abuse

A furious transatlantic row has erupted over quotes that were attributed to a retired Italian bishop, which suggested that Jews were behind the current criticism of the Catholic church’s record on tackling clerical sex abuse.

A website quoted Giacomo Babini, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, as saying he believed a “Zionist attack” was behind the criticism, considering how “powerful and refined” the criticism is.

The comments, which have been denied by the bishop, follow a series of statements from Catholic churchmen alleging the existence of plots to weaken the church and Pope Benedict XVI.

Allegedly speaking to the Catholic website Pontifex, Babini, 81, was quoted as saying: “They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers.”

The interview was spotted on Friday by the American Jewish Committee, which said Babini was using “slanderous stereotypes, which sadly evoke the worst Christian and Nazi propaganda prior to world war two”.

43 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:07:47am

re: #25 eclectic infidel

Well, from their perspective, it’s normal. Besides, I think they feed off the publicity generated by their antics - heck it’s free advertising!

Yeah, I guess normal is relative, but ewww. They do indeed get a lot of free publicity for such a small group.

See, you’re almost a lizard.

Hehehe, thanks.

44 sandbox  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:09:10am

re: #40 Sigma_x

Scott Brown is terrific. “We shouldn’t be paying for lawyers for terrorists, instead we should be paying for weapons to kill terrorists”. A great line.

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:09:46am

re: #44 sandbox

I like it.

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:03am

Man, what a great nights sleep I got. Makes me look forward to nap time. Morning Honcos!!

47 sandbox  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:30am

re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And here we are 3 months after the Brown Senate victory and Obama and Holder still haven’t reversed policy on trying KSM and others in civilian rather than military courts.

48 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:46am

re: #44 sandbox

Scott Brown is terrific. “We shouldn’t be paying for lawyers for terrorists, instead we should be paying for weapons to kill terrorists”. A great line.

Yeah when you catch them just buy a gun and shoot em. Who cares about any of that legal shyte.

49 thedopefishlives  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:11:49am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That what you kids are calling it these days?

Don’t I wish. In this case it’d be code for “Fixing what the previous homeowner spent an awful lot of time and money making a pig’s breakfast of.”

50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:12:00am

re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar

We get up at twelve, and go to work at one…
Take an hour for lunch and then at two we’re done
Jolly good fun!

51 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:12:41am

Senator: Dropping ‘Islamic extremism’ term is ‘Orwellian and counterproductive’

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) on Sunday called the administration’s proposal to avoid the term “Islamic extremism” in national security references “absolutely Orwellian and counterproductive.”

Lieberman revealed on “Fox News Sunday” that he had sent a letter to the president’s top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, saying in part: “The failure to identify our enemy for what it is, violent Islamist extremism, is offensive and contradicts thousands of years of accepted military and intelligence doctrine to know your enemy.”

The chairman of the Homeland Security Committee said the letter was the product of him growing “so frustrated” with the White House over the terminology issue. He said the Defense Department omitted references to “violent Islamist extremism” in its report on the massacre at Fort Hood.

“Clearly, from the record, [Nidal Malik Hasan] was motivated by Islamist extremism, and they didn’t mention that term there,” Lieberman said.

“This is not honest,” the senator said, adding that by dropping the clarification of extremism, “we disrespect the overwhelming majority of Muslims who are not extremists.”

Lieberman said that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were not carried out by “some amorphous group of violent extremists or environmental extremists or white supremacist extremists.”

“It’s absolutely Orwellian and counterproductive to the fight that we’re fighting at risk of great life every day to stop violent extremism of an Islamist base,” he said.

Damn right Joe! Calling Islamic terrorists something else doesn’t make the problem go away. This is an example of political correctness run amok.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:14:33am

re: #48 Jadespring

Yeah when you catch them just buy a take the gun that you already own and shoot em. Who cares about any of that legal shyte.

Legally pronouncing them dead?

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:15:45am

Cloverfield was just on. Caught the last fifteen… Dang it. Really liked the movie.

54 rwdflynavy  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:17:33am

Morning Lizards. I’m in Roanoke with my MIL who is having surgery on a broken arm today. I’ll be mooching the free wi-fi at the hospital all day.

FBV, Once I’ll be back in town most weekends helping her out, maybe we can grab another beer.

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:17:42am

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Legally pronouncing them dead?

I prefer “former freedom fighter.”

56 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:18:08am

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Legally pronouncing them dead?

Why bother with that. Country based on Laws is an outdated principle.
Back to Deadwood baby. Bad people? Just shoot em and chuck em into the pig pen.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:19:36am

IDF order will enable mass deportation from West Bank

A new military order aimed at preventing infiltration will come into force this week, enabling the deportation of tens of thousands of Palestinians from the West Bank, or their indictment on charges carrying prison terms of up to seven years.

When the order comes into effect, tens of thousands of Palestinians will automatically become criminal offenders liable to be severely punished.

Given the security authorities’ actions over the past decade, the first Palestinians likely to be targeted under the new rules will be those whose ID cards bear home addresses in the Gaza Strip - people born in Gaza and their West Bank-born children - or those born in the West Bank or abroad who for various reasons lost their residency status. Also likely to be targeted are foreign-born spouses of Palestinians.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:20:26am

re: #54 rwdflynavy

YAY!

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:21:48am

re: #56 Jadespring

Let me guess… sarcasm?

60 sandbox  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:22:51am

re: #51 NJDhockeyfan

Name the enemy, win the war!

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:27:24am

APB!!!! A monkey on the loose!!!
wtsp.com

62 Ericus58  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:27:51am

What a great last round of the Masters! Good Morning all.
After getting up on the roof and clearing off the crap from the series of weather fronts that we had the past week - and playing with lawn care - I settled in to watch and was very happy to see the level of play. It’s not that these guys won’t hit a bad tee shot or putt, rather it’s how they recover to hole out.

Phil Mickelson was awesome, both from his play on the course and for the personal trails his wife and mother have experienced. Wonderful story.

Tiger? He’s a broken man, searching for self glory and coming up short.

Congratulations to Phil.

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:29:22am

re: #62 Ericus58

I became a fan yesterday.

64 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:29:37am

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let me guess… sarcasm?

Depends on whether I’m the one that has the ability to make the “pig penning” determination. ;)

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:29:50am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh… monkey.

66 Ericus58  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:30:58am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

APB!!! A monkey on the loose!!!
[Link: www.wtsp.com…]

LMAO!!

from the article:
“”It was extremely agile, like I’m talking Spiderman agile,” said Marc Ortiz after he tried tackling the monkey.”

No kidding! He’s a Monkey!
You just can’t make up stories like that, hilarious!

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:32:41am

Teacher of the Year to go on trial…
www2.tbo.com
///

68 laZardo  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:33:04am

Headin’ to bed. Internship tomorrow. Nighty.

69 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:33:49am

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh… monkey.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:36:03am

Hamas MP says Gaza authorities facing financial ‘crisis’

GAZA CITY (AFP) – A Hamas lawmaker said Monday that the Islamist group ruling Gaza was facing a financial “crisis” because of Egypt’s moves to seal its border and a boycott by local banks.

“The government is facing a crisis,” MP Jamal Nassar said in a statement. “The siege on the (Hamas-run) Palestinian government has been tightened recently and because of this it has been unable to bring in funds from abroad.”

Israel and Egypt have sealed Gaza off to all but very limited humanitarian aid since Hamas seized power in June 2007 after routing forces loyal to Western-backed Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.

I have this here small violin…

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:36:37am

re: #64 Jadespring

I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.

But I have my personal “fringe” element also.

I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.

Love drones… danger for them, not for us…

The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.

Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:38:03am

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.

But I have my personal “fringe” element also.

I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.

Love drones… danger for them, not for us…

The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.

Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.

War monger!

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:38:16am

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.

But I have my personal “fringe” element also.

I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.

Love drones… danger for them, not for us…

The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.

Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.

Why do you hate cotton candy?
/

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:40:24am

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why do you hate cotton candy?
/

Actually, I don’t care if you hate cotton candy. But I draw the line if you’re Anti-Footlong Corndogs. Just sayin’.
/

75 rwdflynavy  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:12am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, I don’t care if you hate cotton candy. But I draw the line if you’re Anti-Footlong Corndogs. Just sayin’.
/

What are his thoughts on funnel cakes? I’m a big fan of cotton candy personally. Just stay away from the deep fried twinkies.

76 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:29am

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am all over the charts on political things. And have stated many times that I greatly dislike “fringe” politicos.

But I have my personal “fringe” element also.

I am a “dig your heels in and kill every terrorist you can find war mongerer” when it comes to the war on terror. I am not interested in making friends with them… and I love the fact that Obama is droning the absolute fuck out of the bad guys.

Love drones… danger for them, not for us…

The idea of someone’s last thought, just sitting around the dinner table, “So, then I will take an infidel and… hey! What’s that nois…” makes me really happy.

Call them “cotton candy distributors” I really don’t care. Just kill them.

That’s fine. That’s war. That’s not the part of war that Brown’s comments were referring to though.

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:41:37am

re: #68 laZardo

Headin’ to bed. Internship tomorrow. Nighty.

If you lived in the US? Obama’s trying to get you PAID!

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:42:23am

re: #76 Jadespring

Oh, sure. Was just pointing out my “fukemup” stance.

79 thedopefishlives  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:44:37am

re: #75 rwdflynavy

What are his thoughts on funnel cakes? I’m a big fan of cotton candy personally. Just stay away from the deep fried twinkies.

Urgh. Deep fried Twinkies are sensory overload. Pork chops on a stick are the current reigning favorite fair food in the Fish household.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:44:57am

Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…

Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…

81 thedopefishlives  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:45:35am

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…

Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…

BIG FOOD IS RIPPING US OFF!

82 rwdflynavy  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:45:37am

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…

Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…

Small hands, smell like cabbage!

83 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:45:51am

Deepfried butter! My favourite WMHD.

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:46:17am

re: #82 rwdflynavy

Austin Powers!

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:46:27am

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Corndogs, cotton candy, funnel cakes, deep fried twinkies…

Carnies are terrorists! They’re trying to kill us all! Slowly…

Delicious, delicious murder!!!

86 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:47:50am

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Partially true. (referring to HBO’s Carnivale).

87 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:49:13am

re: #83 Jadespring

Deepfried butter! My favourite WMHD.

Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.

88 rwdflynavy  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:49:30am

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Austin Powers!

But of course…
That’s what we Navy Pilots do when we aren’t flying or sleeping, watch movies.

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:50:55am

Marco Rubio (running for Florida Senate seat) was just on my radio. We was asked if he wanted to back down from a statement he made about social security. (raising the age in a progressive way, tied to life expectancy) He said no. He will likely get my vote.

90 Ericus58  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:51:27am

Survivors’ tales, Iran dominate Holocaust day

news.yahoo.com

“Melancholy music floated over the airwaves and tales of the fast-dwindling number of Holocaust survivors dominated the media as the world’s largest survivor community mourned the dead. Schools and military bases held memorial ceremonies, and restaurants, cafes and theaters were shuttered. During the two-minute siren heard across the land, drivers switched off their engines and others stopped their daily activities to stand at attention.”

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:52:37am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Marco Rubio (running for Florida Senate seat) was just on my radio. WeHe was asked if he wanted to back down from a statement he made about social security. (raising the age in a progressive way, tied to life expectancy) He said no. He will likely get my vote.

Oops.

92 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:53:32am

re: #87 Kruk

Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.

Nothing wrong with occasional bad stuff. It’s one of the joys of life. I love the yearly jaunts to fairs because it’s great excuse to relish in the (healthwise) crappiest of foods. Now if fair food was a everyday fare that might cause some problems. :)

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:55:32am

re: #92 Jadespring

Nothing wrong with occasional bad stuff. It’s one of the joys of life. I love the yearly jaunts to fairs because it’s great excuse to relish in the (healthwise) crappiest of foods. Now if fair food was a everyday fare that might cause some problems. :)

I actually thought about opening a place in the local mall named Fair Food. Good thing I only thought about it considering our mall is about to close.

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:56:37am

Austin Powers: Only two things scare me and one of them is nuclear war.
Basil Exposition: What’s the other?
Austin Powers: Excuse me?
Basil Exposition: What’s the other thing that scares you?
Austin Powers: Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

95 rwdflynavy  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 5:57:44am

bbiab

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:01:17am

Foiled.
nydailynews.com

97 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:03:32am

re: #27 RogueOne

Morning all, no one up yet? I’ll just leave this here:

[Link: www.timesofmalta.com…]

“Panda” print in question:

Image: 20100410—102856-loc_25.jpg


He’s saying the Pope is a Pandaphile?

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:07:14am

Wow. “The Wall” is 30 years old.
spinner.com

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:08:51am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gosh, imagine an Anglo trying to give a description for a police drawing…

Uh… Short, dark hair, beard, mustache, yeah! That’s him!

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:10:12am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh, imagine an Anglo trying to give a description for a police drawing…

Uh… Short, dark hair, beard, mustache, yeah! That’s him!

He works at my Dunkin Donuts!!
/Thanks, Joe!!

101 Vambo  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:11:24am

ut oh.

Afghan Civilians Attacked By NATO Troops: Four Killed, 18 Wounded In Kandahar
huffingtonpost.com

“They just suddenly opened fire, I don’t know why. We had been stopped and after that I don’t know what happened,” said Mohammad, his left eye was swollen shut and his beard and clothing matted with blood. Doctors said he had suffered a head injury but did not yet know how serious it was.

Within hours, scores of Afghans had blocked the main highway out of Kandahar city with burning tires, chanting “Death to America,” and calling for the downfall of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, himself a Kandahar native.

“The Americans are constantly killing our civilians and the government is not demanding an explanation,” said resident Mohammad Razaq. “We demand justice from the Karzai government and the punishment of those soldiers responsible.”

102 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:15:48am

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

[breathing in]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Radical Muslims attack pro-Muslim Member of British Parliament Galloway

Campaigning for re-election, pro-Muslim British Member of Parliament George Galloway and entourage were attacked, Saturday, by Radical Muslims from the Al-Muhajiroun organization.

First they taunted Galloway as a “filthy Kaffir” [a British racist epithet for dark-skinned natives.]

M.P. Galloway explains that he encourages Muslims to vote, whereas Al-Muhajiroun discourages them and does not believe in democracy. Three gang members were arrested. Galloway had been held hostage for a few days by the same gang during the 2005 election.

Galloway, recently discovered to have been a paid agent of Saddam Hussein, was known for anti-Israel and pro-Arab views (Prof. Steven Plaut, 10/11 from ).

Galloway also recently tried to bring supplies from Sinai into Gaza, but was blocked by Egyptian police as he sought entry through unauthorized portals.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:17:46am

Good Morning Lizards!

Bagels in the kitchenette. NOM!

104 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:21:55am

Obama at new low in Gallup poll

President Obama’s job approval numbers have reached a new low in the Gallup daily tracking poll.

Obama now garners 45% approval and 48% disapproval. Of course, the one point difference from his previous low of 46% isn’t very significant, statistically speaking.

I thought he was supposed to get a bounce after passing ObamaCare™. What happened?

105 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:22:35am

re: #97 ryannon

He’s saying the Pope is a Pandaphile?

Can’t go wrong with a well placed pedobear joke. The buttholes in the comments thread in the story gave it away.

106 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:22:40am

re: #87 Kruk

Heh. I have a very confused attitude towards heart disease. I eat the bad stuff a little too often and try and and balance it out with more or less healthy meals the rest of the time, plus I am very keen on exercise but not so bothered with weight loss. I’ll tell you how it works out in twenty years or so.

Heart disease is a weird animal. Inheritance plays a huge part. My best friends’ family basically lives on oats and organic applesauce (i’m exaggerating, but not much) because otherwise they tend to have heart failure at 50, whereas i have low blood pressure and no history of problems on either side of my family. I can eat bacon with extra salt every day and see 90 years if it were up to my heart.

OTOH, it’s Parkinson’s which stalks my particular DNA strands…not a kind disease, that one…

107 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:28:39am

US Weapons to Lebanon Despite Hizbullah Closeness

With the dividing lines between Hizbullah and the Lebanese Armed Forces not altogether clear, the United States has delivered weapons and ammunition to Israel’s northern neighbor and thereby possibly to its enemy.

The U.S. embassy in Lebanon announced last week that on April 2 it had delivered the first in a series of shipments of weapons and ammunition. The shipment included 1,000 M16A4 rifles, 10 missile launchers, 1,583 grenade launchers, and 538 sets of day/night binoculars and night-vision devices. It was stressed that the equipment would be supported with training provided by the U.S. government.

Lebanese Defense Minister Elias Murr visited Washington in February to discuss military cooperation, especially U.S. assistance to the LAF to fight terrorism.

A month ago, Minister Murr told Lebanese Al-Manar television that though he does not support integrating Hizbullah arms and forces within the LAF, “this does not mean we should offer Israel a favor [and disarm Hizbullah].”

Insinuating that the issue is not a matter of consensus, Murr said, “There are some [Lebanese] annoyed by [the existence of] Hizbullah’s arms, and I could be one of them” – but he acknowledged that Hizbullah’s weapons deter Israel. Murr is said to be one of the government ministers considered close to the President of Lebanon.

108 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:28:53am

re: #106 Aceofwhat?

Heart disease is a weird animal. Inheritance plays a huge part. My best friends’ family basically lives on oats and organic applesauce (i’m exaggerating, but not much) because otherwise they tend to have heart failure at 50, whereas i have low blood pressure and no history of problems on either side of my family. I can eat bacon with extra salt every day and see 90 years if it were up to my heart.

OTOH, it’s Parkinson’s which stalks my particular DNA strands…not a kind disease, that one…

Genes are part of my problem. I have CHD and diabetes on both sides of the family. The only consolation is that we seem to *live* with these problems, not die from them.

109 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:31:42am

re: #105 RogueOne

Can’t go wrong with a well placed pedobear joke. The buttholes in the comments thread in the story gave it away.

I was noticing the Catholic responses in that comment thread.
Several very PO’d people (as I am).

110 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:33:06am

re: #109 reine.de.tout

I was noticing the Catholic responses in that comment thread.
Several very PO’d people (as I am).

Clarifying:
Several folks as upset with the Church and its response. Not the “pedobear”.

111 Ericus58  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:38:28am

Millions of unemployed may never recover

seattletimes.nwsource.com

….
Never since the Great Depression has the U.S. labor market seen anything like it. The previous high in long-term unemployment was 26 percent in June 1983, just after the deep downturn of the early ’80s. The 44 percent rate this year translates into more than 6.5 million people.

In fact, nearly two-thirds of these workers actually have been jobless for a year or longer, new Labor Department reports show.

“I’m particularly concerned about that statistic, because long spells of unemployment erode skills and lower the longer-term income and employment prospects of these workers,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a Wednesday speech.”
……

112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:39:04am

re: #106 Aceofwhat?

You’re entirely right. Most of the reasons to keep yourself ‘healthy’ aren’t to avoid death, but just to have good quality of life along the way.

Smoking is less of an indicator of lung cancer than genetics, even.

And, in closing, I had a great-aunt who ate a whole fruit pie every day who’s sides were made from flour and lard, who lived to be 101. She was also an enormous jerk.

When I was a kid, I thought it was so stupid that she was a jerk, because she got a pie every day. I mean, what else do you want?

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:40:22am

re: #112 Obdicut

No shit.

114 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:41:39am

re: #112 Obdicut

You’re entirely right. Most of the reasons to keep yourself ‘healthy’ aren’t to avoid death, but just to have good quality of life along the way.

Smoking is less of an indicator of lung cancer than genetics, even.

And, in closing, I had a great-aunt who ate a whole fruit pie every day who’s sides were made from flour and lard, who lived to be 101. She was also an enormous jerk.

When I was a kid, I thought it was so stupid that she was a jerk, because she got a pie every day. I mean, what else do you want?

Sex with pie?

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:33am

re: #112 Obdicut

I love the stories where a local news station will cover someone’s 100th birthday and they say they drink a glass of bourbon and have 2 cigars every day.

116 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:34am

re: #114 Jadespring

Sex with pie?

Okay. That came out wrong….

Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:42:35am

Feds can’t find Somalis they say Va. man smuggled into U.S.

Federal authorities say they’re certain nearly 300 Somalis allegedly smuggled into the United States by a Virginia man who admitted contacts with an Islamic terrorist group are in the country, but they can’t find them despite a worldwide search for leads.

The search, first reported by the Washington Examiner, started in early February after Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested Anthony Joseph Tracy on charges that he helped smuggle the Somalis into the United States from Kenya. The 35-year-old has since been indicted on charges of conspiring with Cuban Embassy officials in Kenya to help the Somalis illegally enter the United States. ICE Agent Thomas Eyre has testified that authorities are “concerned” about the contact Tracy admitted having with the Somali terrorist organization Al-Shabaab, an al Qaeda ally.

On Friday, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema questioned Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeanine Linehan about the status of the government’s search for the illegal immigrants.

“We have not identified anyone,” Linehan said. “We believe all the individuals are present in the United States. But by the virtue of [Tracy’s] successful smuggling scheme, we are having difficulty finding them.”

Eyre indicated in his testimony that authorities are trying to determine whether any of the Somalis are associated with Al-Shabaab.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:44:25am

re: #106 Aceofwhat?

I have a friend with ALS… diagnosed two months ago. Already has lost the ability to speak… took excellent care of himself.

All kinds of shit to get us… some of us it stalks more than others.

My dad’s 76, smoked for 40 years, quit 20 years ago (yep, started young). I got to their house on Easter Sunday, there’s an “Oxygen in use” sign on the door. Scared the crap out of me. CPAP… sleep apnea…

Mom? Never smoked, always took good care of herself… BAM! Cancer.

Go figure.

119 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:44:48am

re: #116 Jadespring

Okay. That came out wrong…

Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.

oh, i thought you were making a SL joke from last night…

“you make sex with pie? ehhh?”

120 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:46:57am

re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ugh. CPAP machines are tough. they work, but i’ve seen them…it’s like going to bed in a Darth Vader mask, minus the cool chokey powers and James Earl Jones voice…

121 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:08am

Good morning, folks.

Word of advice… if you catch a mouse in your house, don’t tell your significant other that “it’s cute and you should see it”, because in their infinite wisdom they’ll try to pick it up, which will allow the mouse to escape right back into the house as it jumps away in terror.

At least the cats had fun stalking it last night, although I feel bad for the mouse as it’s now a carcass and not running free outside. C’est la vie.

122 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:32am

re: #111 Ericus58

Millions of unemployed may never recover

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com…]


Never since the Great Depression has the U.S. labor market seen anything like it. The previous high in long-term unemployment was 26 percent in June 1983, just after the deep downturn of the early ’80s. The 44 percent rate this year translates into more than 6.5 million people.

In fact, nearly two-thirds of these workers actually have been jobless for a year or longer, new Labor Department reports show.

“I’m particularly concerned about that statistic, because long spells of unemployment erode skills and lower the longer-term income and employment prospects of these workers,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said in a Wednesday speech.”

I would take a small issue with that view. Longer-term income prospects are eroded; for many, though, it will be because they’ve had a long stretch of unemployment, not because they can’t get back into the game and eventually be earning what they would have anyhow. Plus, it will take a bit of time to “catch up” to that earning potential (they’ll get it at a later age than the would have normally).

Where I have a big issue is with “skills”. Sure, they may ‘erode’, but most people pick the back up quickly once employed (or receive training that puts them past where they were).

This, I think, is the bigger problem for us right now:


At the same time, government revenues have fallen as Social Security, payroll and other tax receipts have shriveled with fewer jobs and lower earnings. That’s contributed to massive fiscal problems in many states. California already owes the federal government about $7 billion for unemployment-benefit loans and is getting deeper in the hole by the week.
123 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:47:49am

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

oh, i thought you were making a SL joke from last night…

“you make sex with pie? ehhh?”

Hee. Well if that works then sure, it WAS an SL joke. :D

124 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:48:39am

re: #116 Jadespring

Okay. That came out wrong…

Bah. It’s a two cups of coffee morning methinks.

Just 2?

LOL on me, then.
I need at least 6.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:49:12am

re: #120 Aceofwhat?

Nah, my point was, scared the shit out of me. I thought that the emphysema fairy had been to visit. Old son of a bitch is just snoring!

Mom and Dad don’t hide anything about their health, they just forget who they told, and it usually ain’t all of us (8 kids)…

Hell, I’d forget someone too.

126 Ericus58  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:49:28am

worky stuff…. bbiab

127 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:49:36am

re: #121 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks.

Word of advice… if you catch a mouse in your house, don’t tell your significant other that “it’s cute and you should see it”, because in their infinite wisdom they’ll try to pick it up, which will allow the mouse to escape right back into the house as it jumps away in terror.

At least the cats had fun stalking it last night, although I feel bad for the mouse as it’s now a carcass and not running free outside. C’est la vie.

Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:50:44am

re: #127 reine.de.tout

You should see how fast my fat ass can jump up on a chair. The word “eek” has actually been said by me.

129 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:50:46am

Dutch death camp survivor knighted

Today is the 65th anniversary of the liberation by Canadian troops of Westerbork, the Nazi transit camp in the east of the Netherlands.

As part of the commemorations, Selma Engel-Wijnberg was made a Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau. Presenting the royal award, Dutch Health Minister Ab Klink praised her continuing determination to tell her story for the benefit of future generations. He also offered a formal apology on behalf of the Dutch government for the way she was treated after the war.

Now 87, Selma Engel-Wijnberg is one of the few Dutch survivors of Sobibor extermination camp in Poland and the only one still alive. On her return, she had problems with the Dutch authorities. Because she had married a Polish man, Chaim Engel, they no longer regarded her as a Dutch citizen and attempted to deport her. The couple emigrated to Israel and then to the United States.

A biography by journalist Ad van Liempt, entitled Selma, de vrouw die Sobibor overleefde (Selma, the Woman who Survived Sobibor), was also presented today.

130 2senseplain  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:16am

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

read it carefully. Cuts all kinds of ways. Could be used just as easily to deport Jewish Israeli residents that the Military Authority/Defense Minister wants out.

131 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:54am

Darth Vader reference above…. I’ve been looking for an excuse to post this old chestnut, but still funny even if you’ve seen it before:

Chad Vader: Day Shift

132 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:52:56am

re: #124 reine.de.tout

Just 2?

LOL on me, then.
I need at least 6.

LOL. If I had 6 cups I’d be running up the walls. I usually have 1 then move onto something herbal or fruity (iced in the summer), then in the afternoon it’s nice pot of Earl Gray or Chai.

133 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:53:12am

Scott Brown snubs Sarah Palin, bags Tea Party rally

U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, whose stunning victory in January was fueled in part by Tea Party anger, has snubbed the fiery grassroots group and declined its invitation to join Sarah Palin Wednesday at a massive rally on Boston Common, the Herald has learned.

Brown’s decision to skip the first big rally in Boston by the group whose members are credited with helping him win election has some experts saying he’s tossed the Tea Party overboard, as he prepares for re-election in 2012.

“He wants to mainstream himself before the election,” said Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist.

Brown, who took heat for the alleged misbehavior of some of his supporters at campaign events, may be trying to distance himself from what could be a volatile event, said political analyst Lou DiNatale.

“You’re worried at a rally that there’s a sign, a statement, an incident that’s certifiably cuckoo occurs,” DiNatale said.

“To win re-election, Scott Brown floating to the right is a serious problem.

“And showing up at a Sarah Palin, Tea Party event is not the way to the middle.”

[…]

Heh… do tell.

134 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:54:27am

re: #127 reine.de.tout

Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.

He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?

135 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:54:32am

Just to rub it in, I have great genes.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:11am

re: #134 Aceofwhat?

He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?

Daisy BB gun?

137 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:18am

re: #127 reine.de.tout

Oh, gee.
We had the same thing.
Mouse got scared, ran into a corner, wouldn’t come out.
The Roi had to shoot it. Ugh.

I’m still trying to figure out what possessed her to try and pick it up. Yes, cute baby mouse… but mouse nonetheless. This is what we can a “mental disconnect”.

138 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:46am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should see how fast my fat ass can jump up on a chair. The word “eek” has actually been said by me.

{FBV}
LOL.

I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.

I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them. Once, in college, it had been raining hard, and of course lots of earthworms came out of the ground and got onto the sidewalk. I saw a patch of ‘em up ahead, and turned around and went back to the dorm rather than walk over or around them. Just- ew.

2. Snakes at my front door. One of the cats will sometimes find a snake and leave it at the front door as a “gift”. The snake will usually coil up and pretend to be dead. The Roi picked one up once, thinking that it WAS dead, and it came back to life as he was carrying it to the back yard. LOL. Everybody was scared - including the snake, actually.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:55:47am

re: #135 RogueOne

Just to rub it in, I have great genes.

Maybe, but you just jinxed yourself.:)

140 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:24am

re: #137 MrSilverDragon

CALL a mental disconnect.

no sleep from the skittering cats last night.

Guess I’m having one of those disconnects, too.

141 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:31am

re: #132 Jadespring

LOL. If I had 6 cups I’d be running up the walls. I usually have 1 then move onto something herbal or fruity (iced in the summer), then in the afternoon it’s nice pot of Earl Gray or Chai.

For me, it’s a 2nd pot of coffee after lunch.
Earl Gray just ain’t gonna cut it.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:48am

‘Openly Anti-Semitic’ Party Gains Power in Hungary

The center-right and far-right won by a wide margin in Hungary’s elections Sunday, initial results showed. The right-wing Fidesz party took 52.77 percent of the vote, and the far-right Jobbik party took 16.71. The incumbent Socialist party took only 19.29 percent.

Runoffs will be held later in the month in districts where no candidate received a majority of the votes.

The results were a cause for concern for European Jewish groups, which have accused Jobbik of anti-Semitism and racial hatred. One Hungarian Jewish group labeled Sunday’s election the first time “a movement pursuing openly anti-Semitic policies” has gained power in Hungary since the Nazi era.

143 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:56:50am

re: #134 Aceofwhat?

He SHOT it?? I’m not outraged, don’t get me wrong…it just sounds messy. Is there a caliber small enough to not make the thing explode?

pellet gun.

144 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:57:02am

re: #122 reine.de.tout

Nevertheless, I do agree that there is a profound shift in the employability of many Americans.

When my parents grew up, in the Great Depression, they entered a world that was struggling in the aftermath of the transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one.

Now we, the US, have moved post industrial (see the spin-off I put up about NH). Another shift in society, another wave of fractured institutions.

Where we go from here I do not know.

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:58:24am

re: #144 freetoken

Nevertheless, I do agree that there is a profound shift in the employability of many Americans.

When my parents grew up, in the Great Depression, they entered a world that was struggling in the aftermath of the transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one.

Now we, the US, have moved post industrial (see the spin-off I put up about NH). Another shift in society, another wave of fractured institutions.

Where we go from here I do not know.

And balance will eventually be restored.
I have faith.

146 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 6:59:07am

re: #138 reine.de.tout

{FBV}
LOL.

I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.

I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them.

2. Snakes at my front door. One of the cats will sometimes find a snake and leave it at the front door as a “gift”.

Centipedes, for me. It’s the flexibility + creepy too many legs + biting. Millipedes don’t have the biting, so they’re cool. Snakes don’t have the legs, so they’re cool. (actually, i love snakes) But i don’t suffer centipedes to live, even though the hairy wolf centipedes i used to get in Ohio actually eat the other bugs.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:00:36am

re: #144 freetoken

Damn straight, who knows.

Post depression, a bunch of jobs opened up with… “Apply here. Can you thread this nut onto this bolt? Yes? You’re hired! Stand right there. Here it comes! Oh! Good job… stand here and do that all day. You can’t read? Not a problem… put your X here.” “Can you carry this sack of flour over there? Yes? You’re hired. Carry this sack of flour over there.”

Brand new world…

148 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:00:48am
149 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:00am

re: #143 reine.de.tout

pellet gun.

Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.

150 2senseplain  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:45am

re: #90 Ericus58

Absolutely. Its something to see. The siren(special tone, not the same as pre-Shabbat or incoming-hostilities-get-to-your-sealed-room tone)goes off and everyone stops absolutely dead and stands stock still wherever they are for 2 minutes. Includes people getting out and standing beside their cars, and buses(although I had to give one Egged driver today the evil eye as he tried to creep forward on his route—bus was empty—before the end of the siren. Thought nobody was there to see him.). If you’re in an office meeting it stops and everyone stands. If you’re in a room with the doctor, the exam stops dead and you both stand(and I felt pretty silly standing there in one of those gowns).

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:01:51am

re: #146 Aceofwhat?

Centipedes, for me. It’s the flexibility + creepy too many legs + biting. Millipedes don’t have the biting, so they’re cool. Snakes don’t have the legs, so they’re cool. (actually, i love snakes) But i don’t suffer centipedes to live, even though the hairy wolf centipedes i used to get in Ohio actually eat the other bugs.

Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:02:16am

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.

Om nom nom…

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:02:51am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

“Baby can you dig your man.”

154 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:04:16am

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.

The cats had disappeared!
Plus, the pellet gun was quick.

One of the cats once came bounding through the open window with some sort of flying squirrel. Then let it go.

The squirrel disappeared completely.

It was two days before it got thirsty enough to need to come out for water, which is when we were able to catch it and send it on back outside again. We could hear it, but could never find it.

155 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:04:33am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.

Heh. And the good news is that our palmetto bugs don’t nest in houses like northern roaches do, so we only see them occasionally.

The bad news is that if you’re skittish about bugs which look like roaches, palmetto bugs are big enough to saddle and ride around the den…

156 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:05am

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

Oh. I’d have just thrown a cat in the room. It’s what i did in Ohio when the occasional bat found their way into the house.

Have you ever seen a bat flying around a room with an operating ceiling fan flying in circles with a cat on the bed jumping in the air to catch the bat every time it does an orbit? I have. I couldn’t stop laughing for a good 10 minutes. Trust me, it’ll make your day!

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:06am

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

Heh. And the good news is that our palmetto bugs don’t nest in houses like northern roaches do, so we only see them occasionally.

The bad news is that if you’re skittish about bugs which look like roaches, palmetto bugs are big enough to saddle and ride around the den…

And they fly!!!

158 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:05:53am

More videos coming:

WikiLeaks plans to post video showing US massacre of Afghani civilians

The whisteblower website WikiLeaks — which exploded onto the national stage earlier this month after it released a video recording showing US servicemembers shooting two reporters and six others to death — says they plan to release another, even more harrowing clip.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:06:05am

re: #121 MrSilverDragon

At least you’re going to get an uptick on your next overlord review. Supplying huntables in an indoor setting.

160 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:06:17am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone (FSU professors, maybe) decided to bring love bugs to Florida and run lab test to see if they could help with the skeeter problem. IIRC, they love bugs escaped. Now, 2 problems. Heh.

OMG, I hate those things!
Just hate them!

Stupid, messy - and the dead ones will smell awful when you wash them off your car, but you’ve got to get them off or lose the paint on your car.

I was wondering where they came from. Where were they originally?

161 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:07:11am
162 Slap  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:08:02am

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

But isn’t it true that palmettoes have the inside track on wrestling scholarships in Florida colleges?

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:08:32am

re: #160 reine.de.tout

OMG, I hate those things!
Just hate them!

Stupid, messy - and the dead ones will smell awful when you wash them off your car, but you’ve got to get them off or lose the paint on your car.

I was wondering where they came from. Where were they originally?

Me was wrong. The experiment idea is a myth.
en.wikipedia.org

164 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:16am

Joy!

Just got off the phone with my tax guy. Seems as if the gov’t doesn’t think I paid enough last year. I get the privilage of writing them a check this week!

yippee!!
/

165 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:35am

Tax Mahal: IRS gets lift with stimulus cash, no creation of jobs

With tax day looming, officials from Washington to Massachusetts are blasting a $92 million “Cadillac”-style renovation of the sprawling IRS center in Andover, calling the use of federal stimulus dollars to collect more taxes a “boondoggle” that won’t even bring long-term jobs to the area.

The project’s key proponent, Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Lowell), and other top regional Democrats have strongly touted the project, which is aimed at improving “productivity and customer service” at the 50-year-old federal complex.

But foes such as Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and state Sen. Michael Knapik (R-Westfield) are jeering at the use of stimulus money to create a state-of-the-art processing and auditing center when roads, bridges and dams need urgent attention.

Dems spend $92 million of stimulus money and create ZERO jobs. Shocka!

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:09:55am

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

Daisy BB gun?

Careful with those. You’ll put somebody’s eye out… ;)

167 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:10:18am

This isn’t surprising:

Sanctions no way to go in Iran, India tells US

Amid a fresh Western drive to impose fresh sanctions against Iran, India has made it clear to the US that while Tehran should stick to its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), sanctions are counter-productive.

The Iranian nuclear issue figured in discussions between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President Obama at Blair House, the presidential guesthouse, Sunday on the eve of the Nuclear Security Summit that is expected to focus on Tehran’s defiant nuclear programme.

The discussions took place with a special reference to the ongoing discussions in New York on the possibility of a UN Security Council Resolution to deal with the Iranian nuclear issue, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao told journalists here after talks.

“So, the president briefed the prime minister on these discussions. Our prime minister made known India’s position very clearly in this regard,” said Rao.

“You are aware of the fact that we have always stressed that Iran has certain obligations to fulfil as a member of the NPT on the nuclear issue as it concerns Iran,” said Rao.

On the issue of sanctions, Manmohan Singh told Obama that “sanctions when they target ordinary people have always been counter-productive.”

[…]

While India believes that a nuclear weapon Iran is not in the interests of regional stability, it has consistently advocated dialogue and diplomacy to resolve the issue of the Iranian nuclear programme, suspected of developing nuclear weapons.

168 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:10:23am
169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:10:54am

re: #164 sattv4u2

I’m getting $8,000.00 back… I hope it ain’t thousands you’ve gotta pay, but, dude… I lent them $8,000.00!

I want it back now!

170 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:33am

re: #167 freetoken

it has consistently advocated dialogue and diplomacy to resolve the issue of the Iranian nuclear programme, suspected of developing nuclear weapons

Yes, because thats been working so well with Iran (and North Korea) lo these many decades!

171 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:38am

re: #164 sattv4u2

Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:11:38am

re: #164 sattv4u2

Joy!

Just got off the phone with my tax guy. Seems as if the gov’t doesn’t think I paid enough last year. I get the privilage of writing them a check this week!

yippee!!
/

Write me one while you’re at it.
/

173 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:06am

re: #148 MandyManners

The stunning figure was revealed by Cuban leader Raúl Castro himself: The Cuban government and its enterprises might have more than one million excess workers on their payrolls.


SNIP

hoo-boy.
Let’s hope this isn’t where we’re headed, with unemployment being “relieved” by stimulus jobs, etc.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:09am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

Darn… I was digging the Captain Trips thoughts.

175 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:15am

re: #170 sattv4u2

So, how would you convince the Indians otherwise?

176 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:12:58am

re: #171 freetoken

Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)

Yeah ,, I get to write the State Of Georgia one, but thats only a few bucks this year (under $100)

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:13:59am

re: #138 reine.de.tout

{FBV}
LOL.

I’m not crazy about all critters, either, but usually, they’re more afraid of YOU than you are of them.

I only have two things that really creep me out.
1. Worms. Don’t know why, I just cannot stand them. Once, in college, it had been raining hard, and of course lots of earthworms came out of the ground and got onto the sidewalk. I saw a patch of ‘em up ahead, and turned around and went back to the dorm rather than walk over or around them. Just- ew.

My brother in his youth (12 through high school) sold nightcrawlers for bait. After/during those summer rainstorms he’d employ me to go with him and capture fresh supplies for his boxes. So we’d be out at night with coffee cans and flashlights picking them up. Or catching them by hand as they’d be 3/4 of the way out of their burrows doing whatever worms do when it’s damp outside and the homestead is half flooded.

I also have cats that liked catching snakes and bringing them home. I think they viewed them as some sort of self-propelled shoestring toy, but better! Garter snakes exude musk when alarmed, and I think the one cat liked the smell.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:14:11am

re: #176 sattv4u2

That is perfect tax planning. Congratulations to either you or your tax guy who told you how to do it.

Nice.

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:15:14am

re: #175 freetoken

So, how would you convince the Indians otherwise?

We have huge leverage over MANY countries that we have NEVER tried (that I’m aware of)

We give huge amounts of aid and have for decades to many different countries. Hell, we give both Israel and Egypt $$$ that they use to but weapons to aim at each other (as an example)

All this, while our country is swimming in red ink!

SO ,,, the leverage that we have is simple ,, $$$ (or cuts there of)

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:16:23am

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

According to Prachett’s God of Evolution the cockroach is the ultimate adaptive lifeform. (The Last Continent)

181 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:16:39am
182 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:16:47am

re: #177 oaktree

My brother in his youth (12 through high school) sold nightcrawlers for bait. After/during those summer rainstorms he’d employ me to go with him and capture fresh supplies for his boxes. So we’d be out at night with coffee cans and flashlights picking them up. Or catching them by hand as they’d be 3/4 of the way out of their burrows doing whatever worms do when it’s damp outside and the homestead is half flooded.

.

*shudder*
*cold shudder*
ew.

I’ve seen people use a stick punched into the ground, with a can top being beaten with another stick, to get those things to just pop up out of the ground, too.
Yuck.

183 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:17:50am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is perfect tax planning. Congratulations to either you or your tax guy who told you how to do it.

Nice.

Yeah, he’s a kepper

We break or come close to breaking even each year. The monkey wrnch this year was a new way my company set up stock options and the selling and taxation of them. On paper, it looks as if I cashed some in each month (and paid the taxes on them as I did). In reality, I never got any $$ (yet) bit will NOT have to pay the taxes on it when I do (when presumably they will be worth more)

184 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:00am
185 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:36am
186 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:43am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, he’s a kepper KEEPER

pimf

187 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:18:51am

New Research Sheds Light on Soviet Plans for World War III

German historians are divided over the significance of a massive Communist-era bunker in the former East Germany. Was it to be used as a command post in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe? Researchers now believe Europe was closer to the nuclear abyss than was previously believed.

Riding in fully enclosed trucks, a military construction crew under the command of the East German National People’s Army was driven to a remote woodlot near Kossa in the state of Saxony, which at the time was part of communist East Germany. They were not supposed to hear anything, see anything or say anything. They were only here to work.

First, the soldiers put up 6 kilometers (3.75 miles) of steel fencing and ran 6,000 volts of electricity through it. The men dug deep holes with excavators and poured concrete walls. Then the underground facility was fitted with electronic systems.

The secret fortress was completed in 1979. Located in the middle of a heath, the installation consisted of six separate bunkers that cannot be seen from the air, spread over an area of 75 hectares (185 acres), and built with blast-resistant steel doors and decontamination showers.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:19:17am

re: #182 reine.de.tout

*shudder*
*cold shudder*
ew.

I’ve seen people use a stick punched into the ground, with a can top being beaten with another stick, to get those things to just pop up out of the ground, too.
Yuck.

Worm equivalent of “fishing” using a stick of dynamite. Not sporting at all. :p

189 freetoken  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:19:25am

re: #179 sattv4u2

India, the country in question, is a major trading partner with both the US and Iran.

They refuse (and have worked against) any serious economic sanctions against Iran.

I know of no way to change them on this. If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent? While, because of their own nuclear program we have kept India at arms’ length on nuclear technology related matters, on the whole we keep good relations with them and have intertwined our own economy with theirs.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:20:07am

re: #180 oaktree

Mythbusters tested the radiation myth. The nasty little bastards died.

191 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:20:44am

re: #185 MandyManners

Cold shudder.

*snicker*

It’s actually quite descriptive.
I’ve decided I like it.

192 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:07am

re: #133 freetoken

Scott Brown snubs Sarah Palin, bags Tea Party rally

Heh… do tell.

If I recall, he didn’t have Palin campaign for him in the first place. She was up in New York’s 23rd helping lose that election, and simply took credit for Brown’s victory after the fact. Brown’s probably enjoying Palin’s mentioning him to tea partiers, so they know who to vote for, but he’s not stupid enough to consider them the majority. That said, I’m not exactly impressed with him and wouldn’t mind seeing him ousted…

193 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:09am

re: #184 MandyManners

Ninety-five per cent of Cubans are employed by the government. What’s the percentage here, from municipalities to counties to states to the feds?

About 8% of jobs in the US are government jobs.

194 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:35am

re: #188 oaktree

Worm equivalent of “fishing” using a stick of dynamite. Not sporting at all. :p

LOL.
Sorry.
Who the heck worries about ‘sporting’ when it’s a WORM??!!??

195 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:21:46am

re: #189 freetoken

If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent

Where in my reply did I say “strong arm”?
Do you think that India based companies will stop doing business with US companies just because the US gov’t reduces aid to the Indian gov’t?

196 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:22:14am
197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:22:16am

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Worms.

198 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:22:19am

re: #184 MandyManners

Ninety-five per cent of Cubans are employed by the government. What’s the percentage here, from municipalities to counties to states to the feds?

Well, right now, much less than 95%.
Let’s hope it stays that way.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:23:57am

re: #193 Obdicut

About 8% of jobs in the US are government jobs.

Federal jobs? Or across the board?

What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:03am

I found my wallet. Everyone can stop looking.:)

201 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:30am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Federal jobs? Or across the board?

What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.


Still looking for worms!?!?
/

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:24:48am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

I found my wallet. Everyone can stop looking.:)

The gov’t found MINE!

203 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:25:39am

re: #202 sattv4u2

The gov’t found MINE!

Don’t be greedy!
/

204 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:07am
205 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:14am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mythbusters tested the radiation myth. The nasty little bastards died.

Most things will. The reason that the flour beetles did so well in comparison to the roaches was smaller size and cross-section exposure to the radiation source.

Plus, if you do some additional background reading, the theory on roach survival of radiation exposure is also based upon the fact that they reproduce generationally much faster than larger beasties like us. They’ll go through 5-6 (or more) generations where each generation doesn’t get that much chance to accumulate radiation damage to their genetic material while creatures with longer reproduction periods potentially get damage that will cause lower successful reproduction rates. (Also brought up is the roach default behavior when alarmed to scuttle under nearest cover - thus a tendency to shelter in a shielded environment.)

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:15am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

“The pope-a has-a lost his a-wallet!”
-Father Guido Sarducci

207 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:23am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Federal jobs? Or across the board?

What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.

I don’t know where Obdi got his info.
But the US Bureau of Labor Statistics has more information about the labor situation than anyone really ever wants to know.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:26:52am

Medicaid Drops Coverage For Mom With Cancer


A woman battling a cancer battle was dealt a surprise blow by Uncle Sam this month.

Diana Smith has gone through six months of radiation and chemotherapy — one week out of every month. She is in remission and had a donor for a transplant; being in remission is prerequisite for the transplant.

But her hopes of receiving the transplant were dashed in March, when she says, the Social Security Administration contacted her –without her soliciting it — and told her that her three year-old son was entitled to receive Social Security disability payments. Even though she didn’t ask for it, she signed the form and received her son’s first check check.

In April, Medicaid canceled her universal health care policy because her income level had risen with her son’s payments – making her ineligible for the insurance program.

The problem is Jackson Memorial Hospital cannot provide the procedure because the risk is too high. The universal policy from Medicaid helps shield the hospital from liability in this kind of case. Without it, they are subject to liability issues.

Even though Smith offered to cancel her son’s disability benefits, she was told it’s too late.

“She’s gone through six months worth of radiation and chemo, her body can’t take anymore. If they don’t allow her to have this transplant coming up right now next week, they’re in effect signing her death warrant,” said her friend Tom Noonan.

“I want to live to see my son grow up and get on with my life,” Smith told CBS4’s Ted Scouten.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:27:08am

re: #194 reine.de.tout

LOL.
Sorry.
Who the heck worries about ‘sporting’ when it’s a WORM??!!??

No problem. It was a joke. :)

210 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:27:56am

re: #209 oaktree

aw, heck, I knew it!
*joking back*

211 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:28:33am

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Hamas MP says Gaza authorities facing financial ‘crisis’

I have this here small violin…

They are smuggling containers full of cash through the tunnels as fast as they can.

212 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:09am

re: #171 freetoken

Hey… I get to pay the IRS and Sacramento… the latter being the nastier, more aggressive of the two (don’t mess with the FTB!)

Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…

213 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:19am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

I think there are programs that will cover people whose income doesn’t allow them to receive medical assistance benefits, but who have a “catastrophic” situation on their hands. This lady needs to do some more checking around.

214 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:30:47am

re: #212 Aceofwhat?

Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…

Preach it brother!!!

215 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:05am

re: #212 Aceofwhat?

Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…

Having a very small state income tax rules.
And about $12 worth of property tax a year on my home - rules too.

216 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:31am

re: #120 Aceofwhat?

ugh. CPAP machines are tough. they work, but i’ve seen them…it’s like going to bed in a Darth Vader mask, minus the cool chokey powers and James Earl Jones voice…

Zedushka always gets stopped for “special treatment” whenever he takes his portable CPAP through airport security.

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:33am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

wow. what a coincidence. i am so surprised.

218 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:31:40am
219 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:33:47am

re: #212 Aceofwhat?

Not having a state income tax rules, by the way…

Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes

FOR EXAMPLE

When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some items

PROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)

220 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:33:50am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn straight, who knows.

Post depression, a bunch of jobs opened up with… “Apply here. Can you thread this nut onto this bolt? Yes? You’re hired! Stand right there. Here it comes! Oh! Good job… stand here and do that all day. You can’t read? Not a problem… put your X here.” “Can you carry this sack of flour over there? Yes? You’re hired. Carry this sack of flour over there.”

Brand new world…

And those jobs were all the military.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:34:04am

re: #213 reine.de.tout

I think there are programs that will cover people whose income doesn’t allow them to receive medical assistance benefits, but who have a “catastrophic” situation on their hands. This lady needs to do some more checking around.

I hope so. Imagine fighting cancer for that long and one week before the operation that possibly will cure you the government cuts off your coverage. How fucked up is that?

222 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:35:07am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.

223 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:35:37am

re: #215 reine.de.tout

Having a very small state income tax rules.
And about $12 worth of property tax a year on my home - rules too.

no question…it’s the sum total which matters. but i’ve been renting since i moved here and am not gonna buy until it’s both less expensive to buy and the market turns around. neither are the case in Jacksonville right now. i have a beautiful house about 10min from the beach and the nice lady who owns the house isn’t even close to breaking even on my rent…

224 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:36:09am

re: #222 badger1970

Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.

Actually, with most things gov’t run

Damned if you do, Damned if you do!

225 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:36:39am

re: #189 freetoken

India, the country in question, is a major trading partner with both the US and Iran.

They refuse (and have worked against) any serious economic sanctions against Iran.

I know of no way to change them on this. If you think somehow that we will strong arm India into changing on this, where is the precedent? While, because of their own nuclear program we have kept India at arms’ length on nuclear technology related matters, on the whole we keep good relations with them and have intertwined our own economy with theirs.

India’s problem is twofold. 1.) they need iranian business and money 2.) they need continue to play their relationship with Iran against Pakistan.

That said, they can be bought off with cash and favors. I’ve advocated for awhile to add India to the permanent UN security council list, maybe that’s a good enough carrot to get them on board.

226 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:36:49am
227 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:37:19am

re: #219 sattv4u2

Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes

FOR EXAMPLE

When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some items

PROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)

I just went to the county website and it estimated about $5k on a $300k house. So it’s not a panacea, by any means…

228 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:37:41am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Federal jobs? Or across the board?

What was your source on that? I’d like to dig into it.

Across the board, and it was the BLS. It took me awhile to construct, though, and I don’t think I have all the links. Here’s the basic, though.

bls.gov

9,748,080 government workers, all total, excluding teachers, giving a rate of about 4% of all jobs. That’s excluding, however, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches (police are not part of that) which about doubles the number.

229 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:37:57am
230 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:38:03am

re: #223 Aceofwhat?

no question…it’s the sum total which matters. but i’ve been renting since i moved here and am not gonna buy until it’s both less expensive to buy and the market turns around. neither are the case in Jacksonville right now. i have a beautiful house about 10min from the beach and the nice lady who owns the house isn’t even close to breaking even on my rent…

I don’t think it’s gonna get much lower than this!

We;ve had houses sitting for sale around me for 18-24 months. During the 1st 12-16 months they would reduce the price every so often. Since then the price has held firm

231 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:38:31am

re: #223 Aceofwhat?

We had a small, one week time-share in Destin for awhile.
Our “week” was during the school year so at some point, after our daughter was born, it made no sense to keep it. Same thing - the rent we got on it for our ‘week’ didn’t cover the annual property taxes on a small one-bedroom efficiency one week time-share!

232 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:38:59am
233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:39:06am

re: #221 NJDhockeyfan

Not so messed up as it just is the way it is going to be.

They are going to do things that make Blue Cross look like Good King Wenceslas. But they’re gonna use Blue Cross to take the blame.

Not death panels… not what I am saying.

Shenanigans like that story.

234 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:06am

re: #219 sattv4u2

Yeah,,, but what are your property taxes

FOR EXAMPLE

When I had a house in New Hampshire, no state sales tax
PROPERTY TAX,,, 6K a year
Here in Georgia, we have a 6% sales tax on some items

PROPERTY TAX ,, UNDER 2K a year (basically same size house,, much more land, btw)

We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!

235 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:26am

re: #228 Obdicut

Oh and that’s excluding temporary workers like census people, and doesn’t include jobs that are fully funded by the government but done by private industry, obviously.

236 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:37am

re: #228 Obdicut

9,748,080 government workers, all total,

Hold on. That does NOT include teachers, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches and you think those included would only DOUBLE the numbers?!?!

I would think it would increase it three or four fold

237 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:40:52am

re: #234 darthstar

But how’s the weather? /

238 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:18am
239 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:37am

re: #230 sattv4u2

I don’t think it’s gonna get much lower than this!

We;ve had houses sitting for sale around me for 18-24 months. During the 1st 12-16 months they would reduce the price every so often. Since then the price has held firm

i don’t like guessing the bottom of a market…i’m not prescient enough. I’d rather buy on the uptick and be sure. and my rent is waaay less than the mortgage + property taxes would be on this baby, even with the tax deduction, so i’m in no hurry.

after owning for the past 10 years, it’s really nice to call someone every time an appliance breaks or the A/C goes out and let them foot the bill!

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:44am

re: #234 darthstar

We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!

Yes, but as ACE stated, the sum total of that

As long as they don;t soak me on my property taxes ON TOP of all the others (and here in Georgia they don’t) I’m fine with that

241 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:41:54am

re: #181 MandyManners

Ousted Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev has rallied his supporters, days after violence in the capital, Bishkek, overthrew his government.

Economic aid = pay-off.

he should be less cavalier about talking about bloodshed. If Putin is backing the new government’s play and we’re trying to keep our base lease, the government can probably mow down his supporters without paying a price.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:16am

re: #234 darthstar

We have sales tax, property tax AND state tax…hat trick!

In Connecticut the effective rate is about 63%? Fed/State/Local/Property/Sales/Death/coffin/asking question tax…

243 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:21am
244 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:40am

re: #229 MandyManners

Aren’t they also still good buds with China as they were during the Cold War?

Not really. China/India are in the midst of their own little cold war although it’s mostly based around economic issues. China has a big headstart but, IMO, it’s only a matter of time before India surpasses China both economically and militarily if they so choose.

245 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:48am

re: #228 Obdicut

Across the board, and it was the BLS. It took me awhile to construct, though, and I don’t think I have all the links. Here’s the basic, though.

[Link: www.bls.gov…]

9,748,080 government workers, all total, excluding teachers, giving a rate of about 4% of all jobs. That’s excluding, however, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches (police are not part of that) which about doubles the number.

My only issue with this:

I have a college degree, and worked as a high-level administrator and part of the executive staff of a state agency.

I resent the moniker government “worker”.
When anyone working anywhere else is called an “employee”.

Sorry.
This has bothered me for a gajillion years.
If you work for the government, it just seems your professionalism will be demeaned.

246 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:42:50am

re: #237 badger1970

But how’s the weather? /

Right now it’s pissing down rain…has been all weekend…and we’ve got 40 mph winds up here on the ridge to go with it. Now, most of the year, it’s pretty sweet.

247 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:43:13am

re: #239 Aceofwhat?

i don’t like guessing the bottom of a market…i’m not prescient enough. I’d rather buy on the uptick and be sure. and my rent is waaay less than the mortgage + property taxes would be on this baby, even with the tax deduction, so i’m in no hurry.

after owning for the past 10 years, it’s really nice to call someone every time an appliance breaks or the A/C goes out and let them foot the bill!

HEY,, stop calling me!!!

(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:43:44am

re: #245 reine.de.tout

Excellent point, freeloader.
/
*runs away giggling*

249 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:43:56am
250 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:20am

re: #232 MandyManners

Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.

That’s not the point of the BLS stuff, though, Mandy. They break down stuff by occupation, and a teacher for the government is more similar to a private teacher than they are to, say, a DMV worker for the purposes of occupation and the economy. It’s not some underhanded ploy to undercount workers.

We actually have a very efficient government compared to other countries, but good luck getting Americans to believe that. We’re kinda spoiled. It’s partially because we’re pretty non-corrupt— number 17, woot!— but mainly because the high value-added-per-worker-hour remains high for government.

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:30am

re: #247 sattv4u2

I fixed some things at the house I rented years ago. My laird was shocked.

252 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:30am
253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:44:43am

re: #247 sattv4u2

HEY,, stop calling me!!!

(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)

My AC went out when I was 24 and renting. Landlord was an asshole. I withheld my rent check ‘til he fixed it.

254 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:14am

re: #245 reine.de.tout

I resent the moniker government “worker”.
When anyone working anywhere else is called an “employee”.


I would be very happy if my boss called me a ‘worker”. Beats the hell out of what he usually calls us !!

//

255 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:25am

re: #245 reine.de.tout

My apologies, Reine. No disrespect meant, and I’ll be careful of that in the future.

256 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:25am

re: #232 MandyManners

Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.

I don’t know why, but teachers are often excluded from counts of government employees.

And legislative and health-care employees are often exluded because often, they are not in protected positions, but “at-will” positions for some reason.
Legislators themselves, of course, being at the will of the voters.

Counts of government employees will usually include mainly those whose jobs are protected and considered permanent.

257 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:35am

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

My AC went out when I was 24 and renting. Landlord was an asshole. I withheld my rent check ‘til he fixed it.

As you should! (and as is legal, btw)

258 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:45:45am

re: #232 MandyManners

Why exclude teachers?! Their checks come from our coffers.

I get the exclusion. I worry about whether the, say, Department of Labor has become a bloated tick engorged on gov’t cheese. But i’m gonna pay a teacher either way…i got Obdi’s statistic as a comment on the administrative burden as opposed to the total burden.

Teachers and police…none of us argue their necessity. Other gov’t jobs…eh…one could argue.

That’s the way i took his statistic.

259 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:03am
260 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:04am

Paging Dr. Leary…

Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again

As a retired clinical psychologist, Clark Martin was well acquainted with traditional treatments for depression, but his own case seemed untreatable as he struggled through chemotherapy and other grueling regimens for kidney cancer. Counseling seemed futile to him. So did the antidepressant pills he tried.

Nothing had any lasting effect until, at the age of 65, he had his first psychedelic experience. He left his home in Vancouver, Wash., to take part in an experiment at Johns Hopkins medical school involving psilocybin, the psychoactive ingredient found in certain mushrooms.

Scientists are taking a new look at hallucinogens, which became taboo among regulators after enthusiasts like Timothy Leary promoted them in the 1960s with the slogan “Turn on, tune in, drop out.” Now, using rigorous protocols and safeguards, scientists have won permission to study once again the drugs’ potential for treating mental problems and illuminating the nature of consciousness.

261 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:06am

re: #252 MandyManners

India has one thing China doesn’t have: freedom.

and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.

262 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:17am

re: #236 sattv4u2

Do you think that based on any actual data, though, or is it just your gut truthiness speaking up?

If you have anything solid to back up that claim, I’d be interested to see it.

263 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:46:43am

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Excellent point, freeloader.
/
*runs away giggling*

oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV

264 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:47:11am

re: #247 sattv4u2

HEY,, stop calling me!!!

(I have a couple of rental properties, but Thank God my tenants are GREAT,, they only call if its something major.)

Heh. Me too, actually. Our landlady is incredibly sweet, and i think neither she nor I are interested in trying our luck somewhere else for now. A good relationship in renting is really hard to find.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:47:12am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Paging Dr. Leary…

Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again

Those mushrooms are all over Florida. Rain and humidity. Heh.

266 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:47:15am
267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:00am

re: #263 reine.de.tout

oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV

How about no DMV?

268 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:02am
269 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:04am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Paging Dr. Leary…

Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again

So this means I was ahead of the curve back in the day when I… uh… I’ve said too much.

270 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:10am

re: #263 reine.de.tout

oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV

the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.

271 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:24am

re: #259 MandyManners

It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?

Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?

It’s complicated because it’s complicated.

272 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #250 Obdicut

That’s not the point of the BLS stuff, though, Mandy. They break down stuff by occupation, and a teacher for the government is more similar to a private teacher than they are to, say, a DMV worker for the purposes of occupation and the economy. It’s not some underhanded ploy to undercount workers.

We actually have a very efficient government compared to other countries, but good luck getting Americans to believe that. We’re kinda spoiled. It’s partially because we’re pretty non-corrupt— number 17, woot!— but mainly because the high value-added-per-worker-hour remains high for government.

You’re welcome, from we conservatives who get uppity about gov’t efficiency///

273 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:36am
274 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:42am

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

Those mushrooms are all over Florida. Rain and humidity. Heh.

And cow pies!

/someone told me that once…

275 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:48:45am

re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fixed some things at the house I rented years ago. My laird was shocked.

I do that. If something breaks, and doesn’t require too much work (replacing a faucet, rehanging a gate, etc.) I just do it myself and deduct whatever it cost from my rent. That said, we’re starting to see that ‘uptick’ in the market Ace was talking about and are chomping at the bit to buy a place now…then my ‘handy-man’ genes will really kick in…

276 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:21am

re: #261 RogueOne

and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.

I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.

277 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:30am

re: #263 reine.de.tout

oh, har-de-har-har.
just go ahead and giggle while you stand in that line at the understaffed DMV

As if staffing were the problem…

(actually, my local DMV is the best i’ve ever visited by far. polite, personable, helpful and professional. w00t Jacksonville!)

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:49:36am

re: #274 NJDhockeyfan

And cow pies!

/someone told me that once…

Correct.

279 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:10am
280 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:11am

re: #271 Obdicut

It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?

Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?

It’s complicated because it’s complicated.

Oh sure, when you talk about taxes you want to add everything possible in but when talking “employees” you’re looking for ways to reduce the numbers.//

281 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:33am

re: #255 Obdicut

My apologies, Reine. No disrespect meant, and I’ll be careful of that in the future.

Obdi -
Wasn’t you I’m upset with.
It’s been done that way for a long time.
And it’s just always bothered me.
No wonder people look at government employees with a biased eye; look at the language used to describe us.
Government employees work as hard as anyone else, and often under less than ideal circumstances (cheap offices with no upkeep or maintenance, etc). There are horror stories in government service, sure, just like there are for any employer. But everybody’s always mad at us until they want a service, then suddenly we’re their best friend.

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:50:42am

re: #262 Obdicut

Do you think that based on any actual data, though, or is it just your gut truthiness speaking up?

If you have anything solid to back up that claim, I’d be interested to see it.

No, but posting that gov’t employees are a mere 4% of the work force then saying “well, that excludes teachers, workers who are state workers in the schools, hospitals, and legislative/judicial branches etc etc is kinda useless.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:17am

re: #273 MandyManners

How will you get your tags renewed? Get a driver’s license?

Tags renewed? My point precisely.

What is vehicle registration other than revenue enhancement?

Licenses, okay… I’ll grant that one.

284 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:22am

re: #276 Kruk

I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.

Agreed but China took the problem to an extreme level. No one thought their “one child” policy all the way through.

285 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:51:40am

Moscow judge who convicted neo-Nazis shot to death


MOSCOW — A judge who sentenced to prison neo-Nazis responsible for dozens of hate killings was gunned down Monday amid a surge of violence against activists and officials opposed to Russian nationalists.

Moscow City Court judge Eduard Chuvashov was shot contract-style in the stairwell of his apartment building in central Moscow, Russia’s top investigative body said.

The murderer used a silencer and left no shells, but investigators obtained footage from surveillance cameras showing a tall Slavic man, about 30-years-old, coming out of Chuvashov’s apartment building shortly after the killing, it said.

“We have definitive leads,” investigator Pyotr Titov said in televised remarks.

A leading rights group pointed the finger at a far-right ultranationalist group with alleged ties to Kremlin-backed youth movements, saying it may have links to the murder and incited hatred for Chuvashov on the Internet. A nationalist leader denied the accusations.

Russia has experienced a surge of xenophobia and racially-motivated assaults in the years after the Soviet collapse, and the number of neo-Nazi groups has mushroomed.

286 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:52:11am

re: #257 sattv4u2

As you should! (and as is legal, btw)

Not here in New Zealand. (Witholding rent, no matter the reason, is grounds for eviction.) Having said that, tenent protections are pretty strong here. My wife and I are renting till we settle permanently in one city (which won’t be till after I finish studying), and renting is a good option here. The law tends to come down hard on bad landlords.

287 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:52:15am
288 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:52:29am

re: #271 Obdicut

It’s not that simple, Mandy. Do you want those numbers to include people who do part time work for the government, or not? Who are paid contractors, or not?

Should Boeing workers be counted as government employees since the government buys so much stuff from Boeing?

It’s complicated because it’s complicated.

Or people who’s companies depend on tax dollars to buy weapons and other military equipment and all other things down to the TP that goes in government buildings.

289 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:53:16am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Paging Dr. Leary…

Hallucinogens Have Doctors Tuning In Again

Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…

290 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:53:41am
291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:53:59am

re: #289 darthstar

Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…

Speak for yourself!!
/

292 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:54:23am

re: #266 MandyManners

I believe that a true count of how many people are paid by our tax dollars can only be taken if EVERYONE who is paid by our tax dollars is included.

And you have a good point.
But you realize that there are lots of people in industries that are almost 100% funded by government contracts. It’s the not counting of those contractual employees that’s always bothered me. People here (including the damned legislature) constantly harp on how much is being spent on state employee pay, and forget there is at least an equivalent amount going to private companies who have government contracts (those companies often owned by good friends of our legislators). When a budget cut is needed, they don’t cut the contracts - they cut state jobs. Then we work understaffed and underpaid, with everyone yelling at us about how inefficient we are, while the fat-cat contractors keep their big bucks.

293 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:54:52am

re: #289 darthstar

Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…

Just be careful of the brown acid. It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just not very good.

294 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:24am

re: #270 RogueOne

the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.

yeah, we’ve got online renewal for driver’s licenses and license plates.
Driver’s license pic has to be retaken every 8 years, I believe, so you only have to go in once every 8 years (unless there’s some other problem).

295 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:27am

And on that note, the sun is shining and the pressure washer is calling

Off to do the back porch

296 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:55:49am

re: #292 reine.de.tout

Yep. Everyone I’ve ever heard yelping about the government pensions in California hasn’t said word one about paying contractors above market rate or anything else. The government employees are easy targets, so they get the heat.

297 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:07am

And now, commuting fun.

298 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:11am

re: #287 MandyManners

The son of late dictator Idi Amin has been charged with attacking a man hours before he was due to be deported from Britain.

Faisal Wangita, 28, is accused of being one of eight men who beat another deportee at an immigration centre.

SNIP

Rumors that the victim wouldn’t share his fava beans and chianti with Faisal are unfounded.

Beat him? The guy’s lucky the kid didn’t eat him. (/Amin-cannibalism snark off)

299 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:20am

re: #277 Aceofwhat?

As if staffing were the problem…

(actually, my local DMV is the best i’ve ever visited by far. polite, personable, helpful and professional. w00t Jacksonville!)

Being understaffed by one person will slow down operations by hours. Truly. Been studied.

300 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:56:29am

re: #290 MandyManners

I’m all for paying for tags. Roads are not cheap to build or maintain. Also, registering vehicles insures that only safe cars are on the road.

Vehicle inspections take care of that, done at the car repair shop. Enforced by the courts. Federal/State Gas taxes, and State and Federal Taxes are supposed to pay for Roads.

Vehicle registration was thought up by some guy, somewhere… he phrased it like this…”Hey! I know a way to make a pile of money for absolutely no gain to the citizens!”

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:03am

re: #294 reine.de.tout

yeah, we’ve got online renewal for driver’s licenses and license plates.
Driver’s license pic has to be retaken every 8 years, I believe, so you only have to go in once every 8 years (unless there’s some other problem).

My DL pic is 18 years old. Gotta renew this year. Need birth certifikit, SS card, 2 proofs of residency.

302 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:09am

re: #261 RogueOne

and women. I read this weekend that the men will outnumber the women in china by some 30 million. That’s a recipe for all kinds of disaster.

Like what they’ll demand from the US as debt payment? ///

(though I must confess, I’m surprised no one in the kook-o-sphere has started a rumor like that yet…)

303 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:18am

re: #249 MandyManners

Did you read further down where the new No. 2 says a “special operation” against him is being planned? That’s fucking murder from Putin.

Just par for the course for Vlad the KGB Man. Though special op could be an arrest, too. But bunching up like the ousted man’s supporters have done makes it easy for the Russians and the new government to bag them. And the Russian Airborne forces in Kyrgyzstan are experts at quickly moving into place. Even their IFV’s can be moved by heavy-lift helicopter.

304 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:39am

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tags renewed? My point precisely.

What is vehicle registration other than revenue enhancement?

Licenses, okay… I’ll grant that one.

License tag fees often go to help pay for road upkeep and repair. State could give away the tags in order to keep everyone registered, but road upkeep has to come from somewhere. Not cheap.

305 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:57:59am

Oh my gosh… yesterday, my shift at the supermarket was suppose to be 5:00p-10:00pm (first time I had a shift that late). They called me at 2:00pm and asked me if I could come in ASAP. because, between 9:00pm-10:00pm on Sunday evening they only have one checker and one manager and that checker has to know how to run the U-Scan self checkout station. They never trained me on the U-scan.

Organized chaos!

If you think that you are merrily going on checking yourself out, let me tell you the truth. You move a product, my handset beeps, you’re kid is playing with the scale or scanner, my handset beeps. You put a bag into your basket before finishing the whole transaction, my handset beeps… you can’t find a produce code… you get the idea. I spend most of the time poking my wireless handset clearing errors.

It’s like managing SIX registers at one time. It’s realtime and it’s like at any minute, it’s all going to blow up in front of your face.

The person that was training me said I looked so cool and calm. She doesn’t have a good bullshit meter. It was a blur, my brain was hurting, I was on autopilot. Just make believe I was hire to play the part of a calm and cool U-scan clerk.

P.S. I also found out something I didn’t know before. As low man on the pecking order, if the overnight cashier (they use U-scan only between 10:00pm and 6:30am, no regular registers) needs off, I will get scheduled to cover that shift.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:13am

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Gas tax… I pay about 5K a year in gas tax.

307 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:24am
308 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:36am
309 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 7:58:40am

re: #293 MrSilverDragon

Just be careful of the brown acid. It’s not that it’s bad, it’s just not very good.

It was just a little stronger in some doses than others…one person could take three tabs and say, “this shit sucks” while another could take a half-tab and be found running naked through a field eight hours later. Should have been kept in a cool, dry place.

310 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:00:36am
311 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:00:41am

re: #302 publicityStunted

Like what they’ll demand from the US as debt payment? ///

(though I must confess, I’m surprised no one in the kook-o-sphere has started a rumor like that yet…)

Hehehe! Well, it’s not a big leap from “They’re taking our jobs!” to “They’re taking our women!”

312 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:18am
313 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:38am

Orrin Hatch Names Hillary Clinton as Possible Supreme Court Nominee

Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, one of the top Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Monday morning that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been mentioned as a possible nominee to the Supreme Court.

“I even heard the name Hillary Clinton today, and that would be an interesting person in the mix,” Hatch said on NBC’s “Today Show.”

The senator said he would not pre-judge whether any potential nominee would be an appropriate candidate to replace retiring Justice John Paul Stevens, but he had general praise for the secretary of state.

“I happen to like Hillary Clinton, I think she’s done agood job for the Democrats — Secretary of State’s position,” Hatch said, “and I have high respect for her, and think a great deal of her.”

Hatch said the confirmation process for President Obama’s nominee could go smoothly.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:44am

re: #309 darthstar

It was just a little stronger in some doses than others…one person could take three tabs and say, “this shit sucks” while another could take a half-tab and be found running naked through a field eight hours later. Should have been kept in a cool, dry place.

I used to buy 33 hits at a time. 100 bucks. Would sell it to friends and eat the profit.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:01:48am

Gotta get some shit done.

316 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:02:18am

re: #310 MandyManners

Because he’s a lefty of hates his own country. He’s like Bill Ayers, only he uses lawsuits instead of bombs.

317 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:09am

re: #299 reine.de.tout
Mornin’!
Kinda parachuting in here but this morning’s LA Times has some articles that show how budget cuts are effecting Police services, like overtime caps sending homicide detectives home after so many hours.

And then reduced anti gang efforts.

While arguing over money with the DWP. Argh! This is going to bite us where it hurts.

318 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:21am
319 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:52am

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

Orrin Hatch Names Hillary Clinton as Possible Supreme Court Nominee

Heh. I would love that just to see Wingnut heads explode nationwide. I don’t think Hillary is going to take a life-time post though. She’s got another job in mind that due to become vacant in six years…

320 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:53am

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

I wonder how many people try to sneak shit through the U-scan register without ringing it up? Small shit. Buy a bag of frozen peas and put a 10 pack of AA batteries or razor blades on top as they slide it across the scanner…you hear the beep, they put the shit in their bag…they save 7 bucks.

321 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:03:58am

re: #275 darthstar

I do that. If something breaks, and doesn’t require too much work (replacing a faucet, rehanging a gate, etc.) I just do it myself and deduct whatever it cost from my rent. That said, we’re starting to see that ‘uptick’ in the market Ace was talking about and are chomping at the bit to buy a place now…then my ‘handy-man’ genes will really kick in…

i have no such genes, which definitely made my first house purchase a bit of a trial…

322 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:04:20am
323 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:04:53am

re: #276 Kruk

I think India is pretty bad when it comes to sex selective abortions as well, and even female infanticide. They don’t have a one child policy, but the dowry system and family structure (sons look after parents in their old age, daughters look after their husbands’ parents) does skew the preference towards having boys.

don’t get me started about the class system. not sure how it’s different from apartheid on many levels…

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:05:05am

re: #270 RogueOne

the self-help kiosk at the DMV might be the greatest invention ever. 2 cars and 1 truck registered and stickered in less than 5 mins.

I do all that on-line.

325 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:06:33am

re: #296 Obdicut

Yep. Everyone I’ve ever heard yelping about the government pensions in California hasn’t said word one about paying contractors above market rate or anything else. The government employees are easy targets, so they get the heat.

People get mad at the wrong thing.

Who they need to be upset with are their legislators, who create government programs that then require expenditures to hire state employees.

And those legislators then see folks upset at tax rates, and instead of reducing programs, they simply reduce the number (or pay) of the employees they’ve required their state to hire to run the programs they have created.

People get frustrated because service isn’t what they expect it to be, and begin to yell about those dumb idiotic inefficient government “workers”.

Legislators decide to punish those dumb idiotic ineffecient government workers more by withholding pay increases. Morale plummets.

We used to have a couple of DMV offices in a couple of locations in each parish of the state. Some of those offices had one employee who served maybe 3 people a month.

When Public Safety proposed closing those office, oh the hue and cry! It was unbelievable. Once a program or site is established, it’s virtually impossible to shut it down. So when cuts are needed - reduce the number of empoyees doing the same amount of work, or cut their pay, or withhold pay increases.

/rant now off.

326 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:06:56am

re: #319 Kruk

Heh. I would love that just to see Wingnut heads explode nationwide. I don’t think Hillary is going to take a life-time post though. She’s got another job in mind that due to become vacant in six years…

Obama could fill a SCOTUS position with another liberal and get rid of a rival all at the same time.

327 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:07:47am

I tend to respect Haley Barbour, but he’s dead wrong here:

Mississippi Gov. Barbour Backs McDonnell on ‘Confederate History’ Declaration

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour on Sunday defended fellow Gov. Bob McDonnell for his decision to declare April “Confederate History Month” in Virginia without initially acknowledging the legacy of slavery, saying the controversy “doesn’t amount to diddly.”

328 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:07am

Gotta do dishes and try to sneak in a nap. BBL.

329 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:09am

re: #318 MandyManners

I don’t know how it’s done where you live but, I cannot get my vehicle registered if it is not inspected.

And we must also provide proof of insurance.

330 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:13am

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

don’t get me started about the class system. not sure how it’s different from apartheid on many levels…

It’s even worse than a class system. You can change classes (going from working class to middle class with education or business success for example), but you’re stuck with the caste you’re born with for life. The big difference from apartheid, though, is that the government is actively trying to break it down.

331 darthstar  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:08:54am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

I think slavery amounted to a little bit more than ‘diddly.’

332 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:09:06am

re: #289 darthstar

Finally, NJD, some good news! The tough part will be dosing. A small dose trip could be quite helpful to people who are severely depressed…You don’t need to have people’s faces melting around you…

Woah. Weird that it looked like Ritalin to the monitors. That part doesn’t make as much sense to me.

333 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:09:22am
334 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:10:59am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Obama could fill a SCOTUS position with another liberal and get rid of a rival all at the same time.

I agree, but my point is that *Hillary* may not want it. While it’s possible to resign from the SCOTUS, doing that would kill her presidential hopes.

Besides, is she still a rival for Obama? It’s pretty difficult to primary a sitting president from your own party.

335 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:11:20am

re: #320 darthstar

I wonder how many people try to sneak shit through the U-scan register without ringing it up? Small shit. Buy a bag of frozen peas and put a 10 pack of AA batteries or razor blades on top as they slide it across the scanner…you hear the beep, they put the shit in their bag…they save 7 bucks.

It’s called “shrink,” product loss by stealing, any miscounting, missed scanning by a cashier, damaged goods not counted, anything coming into inventory and not accounted for by sale or return.

Every item has a weight in the database, and when you put it in the bag, the scale compares the added weight to the database, and my handset (or attendant station, I have a wireless handset and a terminal station) lets me know that there has been a weight difference caught.

I look at my handset (or terminal) and see what the last item scanned was and what the weight in the bag was recorded as. If they seem to far apart (scanned potato chips, weight put in bag, 8 ounces)… I can step over and check.

Of course, there is a fine line between keeping track of those possibilities and not assuming every customer is stealing.

U-scan leaves a lot to basic honesty.

336 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:12:20am

More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.

” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.

The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.

The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “

TARP.

337 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:12:49am

re: #322 MandyManners

Dion Nissenbaum?

McLatchley, if this isn’t his first time advocating for terrorists by arguing the government framed them.

338 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:13:35am
339 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:13:46am

re: #336 avanti

More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.

” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.

The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.

The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “

TARP.

That’ll put a real dent in that 12 trillion dollar total budget. Maybe we should buy China next and turn it into a theme park?

340 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:14:11am

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

I’ve seen some reports that suggest shrinkage due to customer theft is far less of an issue for retailers than shrinkage due to their own employees taking off with the goods.

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:14:15am

re: #336 avanti

More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.

” April 6 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Treasury Department has made $10.5 billion, or an 8.5 percent return, on its bailout of financial firms, a private analysis shows.

The report, which tallies money the government earned on sales of preferred stock and warrants held under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, was issued this month by financial research firm SNL Financial of Charlottesville, Virginia.

The profit came from $118.3 billion in aid that has returned to Treasury from 49 firms that “fully exited” the government’s capital purchase program. “

TARP.

Good. now let’s mandate that the money thus recovered must be used for deficit reduction. None of it should be used for new spending.

342 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:12am

re: #336 avanti

So, does that mean that President Bush will get the credit for TARP? /

343 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:26am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

I tend to respect Haley Barbour, but he’s dead wrong here:

Mississippi Gov. Barbour Backs McDonnell on ‘Confederate History’ Declaration

i actually watched that interview…he was saying that both democrats and republicans in Miss. have endorsed ‘Confederate History’ month in his state for a long time and (paraphrasing from memory here) “everyone knows it’s not a celebration of slavery…that goes without saying”.

It may be true, and it’s not a monstrous thing to say, but i’m waiting for the day when southerners, especially republican southerners, just knock this crap off.

OTOH, he did say he doesn’t like language like “radical” to describe Obama. That was unexpected and slightly refreshing…

344 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:27am
345 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:31am

re: #336 avanti

More good news on the economy. We’re making money on the tarp bailout.

Heh. Please tell me it was GWB who started TARP. I love taunting people with the statement “George Bush saved the world economy.”

Yes, I’m a liberal who kinda likes George Bush. Sue me.

346 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:15:37am

re: #325 reine.de.tout

Let me clarify something:

I’m not trying to glorify public employment or the expenses of hiring government employees.

I am trying to point out that if one wants services from the government, it will cost money, and those hired to do the jobs aren’t the problem.

The object of ire shouldn’t be the employees hired to perform the services your government has implemented, usually at the behest of the population - it should be the lawmakers who create the programs to begin with.

347 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:16:41am

re: #331 darthstar

I think slavery amounted to a little bit more than ‘diddly.’

I agree. I know Haley Barbour is the governor of Mississippi, but still. He could have just kept his mouth shut instead of letting his Stars and Bars fly like that.

348 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:03am

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

It’s called “shrink,” product loss by stealing, any miscounting, missed scanning by a cashier, damaged goods not counted, anything coming into inventory and not accounted for by sale or return.

Every item has a weight in the database, and when you put it in the bag, the scale compares the added weight to the database, and my handset (or attendant station, I have a wireless handset and a terminal station) lets me know that there has been a weight difference caught.

I look at my handset (or terminal) and see what the last item scanned was and what the weight in the bag was recorded as. If they seem to far apart (scanned potato chips, weight put in bag, 8 ounces)… I can step over and check.

Of course, there is a fine line between keeping track of those possibilities and not assuming every customer is stealing.

U-scan leaves a lot to basic honesty.

yep, shrinkage is a real problem in many industries, although it’s not to be confused with the anatomical process which goes by the same name/

349 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:05am

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

This happen at my store, a customer ran items through the self-checkout, swiped a debit card, didn’t finish the transaction and walked out of the store. Cashier not paying attention and the store out of hundred bucks.

350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:21am

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.

351 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:26am

re: #344 MandyManners

McClatchy in this case is the McClatchy media company.

Remember when Charles had a thread about Kuntar being released and Nissenbaum’s hanging out with him after his release? (That’s where I got the photograph.)

Sorry. [facepalm]

352 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:17:28am

re: #340 lawhawk

I’ve seen some reports that suggest shrinkage due to customer theft is far less of an issue for retailers than shrinkage due to their own employees taking off with the goods.

Apparently, that’s what I was told in my training. If you put something in the bag without scanning at U-scan, the attendant is informed, if you scan something and don’t put it in the bag, the attendant is informed, and if you put something in the bag that doesn’t match the expected weight, the attendant is informed.

The U-scan station is very public, has security watching on cameras and just the open space, public nature of it helps make it not the easiest place to steal something.

353 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:18:00am

re: #333 MandyManners

Yikes.

354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:18:29am

re: #346 reine.de.tout

Let me clarify something:

I’m not trying to glorify public employment or the expenses of hiring government employees.

I am trying to point out that if one wants services from the government, it will cost money, and those hired to do the jobs aren’t the problem.

The object of ire shouldn’t be the employees hired to perform the services your government has implemented, usually at the behest of the population - it should be the lawmakers who create the programs to begin with.

Quite Concur. Hate the game, not the player.

355 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:18:53am
356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:19:27am

re: #353 Killgore Trout

Never thought I’d say this…

RAPE EPIC FAIL!

357 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:21:21am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.

There’ something I already don’t like about U-scan… I don’t get to engage the customer the same way I can at the registers. The whole concept of U-scan is to let them do it themselves, teach them when needed… but still, it’s designed for them to have control over their checkout process, so my interaction is really left to technical matters… with a smile on my face.

At the registers, I have time to actually engage the customer in a friendly conversation, work on my stand up cashier routines and add a little fun to their shopping experience.

358 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Customer feels presence; looks over should… Walter Newton peering sneakily over their shoulder.

Heh. Apros of nothing:

Burgler is looting a house when he hears the words “Jesus is watching you!”

He nearly jumps out of skin and looks around. He hears it again “Jesus is watching you!”

He finally sees a parrot in a cage. He laughs and asks “Is your name Jesus?”

The parrot says “My name is Moses!”

The burgler laughs and says “What kind of folks would name a parrot Moses?”

The parrot says “The same kind of folks who name a rotweiller Jesus.”

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:35am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Getting real close to their ear over their shoulder and nostril breathing loudly is also funny.

360 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:22:41am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

There’ something I already don’t like about U-scan… I don’t get to engage the customer the same way I can at the registers. The whole concept of U-scan is to let them do it themselves, teach them when needed… but still, it’s designed for them to have control over their checkout process, so my interaction is really left to technical matters… with a smile on my face.

At the registers, I have time to actually engage the customer in a friendly conversation, work on my stand up cashier routines and add a little fun to their shopping experience.

yeah, but the rest of us who don’t have our own personal Walter to visit do enjoy the option of not standing in line on occasion…

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:23:47am

re: #358 Kruk

What’s black and brown and looks good on a white supremacist?
Pit Bull

362 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:24:00am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?

363 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:24:23am

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s black and brown and looks good on a white supremacist? lawyer
Pit Bull

Doberman

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:26:42am

re: #363 Alouette

Norm McDonald had a funny bit about dobermans…

The Doberman used to be the scariest dogs around. Now with pit-bulls and rotweillers, the doberman’s sitting over in the corner; frisbee in his mouth saying, “I used to be somebody! I was a dober-man!”

365 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:05am

re: #342 lawhawk

So, does that mean that President Bush will get the credit for TARP? /

He loaned it out, but Obama got it paid back./ BTW, I supported Bush’s use of the TARP. The way things are going with the economy, some on the right will run out of doom and gloom stories.

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:28am

re: #360 Aceofwhat?

yeah, but the rest of us who don’t have our own personal Walter to visit do enjoy the option of not standing in line on occasion…

Ah… that’s sweet. Evidently I have impressed the head clerks and managers, I’ve been told I am doing good job considering I have only had 12 hours of classroom training and then on the front end for about 20 hours.

My only concern, I always do a good job, that’s my nature. And there are times that my good job annoys those people who have been around a while and don’t do so good.

In business situations where there is “production loading” being tracked, my speed and concerns about the job can chafe certain other employees that don’t care as much as I do.

I really take any job, no matter what it is, not matter what I am doing, I really take a job seriously. And I like to do my best.

367 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:49am

We Are Here: The Pale Blue Dot

With narration by Carl Sagan.

368 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:27:58am
369 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #362 badger1970

Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?

Oh, god. Don’t get me started. One of the main reasons I decided to stop being a dispensing pharmacist and go for my PhD was I was sick of dealing with frustrated and angry customers. (Often for issues way outside my control, like the funding of their medicines.) I may make the same money after three extra years of study, but the improvement in quality of life and job satisfaction would be priceless.

370 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:28:48am
371 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:29:31am
372 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:29:47am

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

That’ll put a real dent in that 12 trillion dollar total budget. Maybe we should buy China next and turn it into a theme park?

We did get a slight slow down in the debt buildup, but I agree it’s way do high.


” WASHINGTON - While the federal government will remain on track to post another $1 trillion budget deficit this year, economists believe the March deficit will show a big improvement from a year ago.

Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expect the March deficit will shrink to $65 billion. That would be down significantly from the March 2009 imbalance of $191.6 billion.”

373 badger1970  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:30:52am

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

It does seem that the part-timers (especially ones that it’s their second job) do care more about the responsibilities than the (tenured) non-manager full-timers. And also, the squeaky wheels get the grease.

374 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:31:00am

re: #362 badger1970

Even when the customer throws toilet paper (happened yesterday to a high-school part-time)? How do you disarm a frustrated/angry customer?

Small weapon fire?

None of my training so far has dealt with that sort of topic. I’ve been there two weeks now, I did 12 hours of computer based training, and tomorrow evening I have 4 hours of “new hire” orientation in a classroom situation, and then next week I have a 8 hour cashier training class in another store (I know, I’m already on registers). Maybe in those classes I’ll get more info about engaging problem customers.

I suspect the best instruction I will have will simply be experience and time.

375 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:31:27am
376 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:31:55am

re: #370 MandyManners

If it’s proved, it’ll blow a lot of Nazis’ minds.

Heh. Serves them right. They’ve been trying to turn Terre’Blanche into some kind of racial martyr, and using his death as an example of why multi-racial societies can never succeed.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:33:17am

re: #365 avanti

I personally; Would love to be wrong.

I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).

I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.

I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.

I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:34:08am

re: #370 MandyManners

I get it. “Blow”.

heh

379 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:34:52am

re: #365 avanti

He loaned it out, but Obama got it paid back./ BTW, I supported Bush’s use of the TARP. The way things are going with the economy, some on the right will run out of doom and gloom stories.

Never underestimate people’s ability to find a dark lining to every silver cloud. I can see it now “Yes, you’re employed, fed, housed and healthy, but are you FREE? Bread and circuses! Bread and circuses!”

380 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:35:58am

re: #368 MandyManners

From the start, Internet users have taken for granted that the territory was both a free-for-all and a digital disguise, allowing them to revel in their power to address the world while keeping their identities concealed.

That may cut down on trolls on the site, but I can see it opening some people who have strong opinions to web-stalking. If they use their real names to post, they’ll get highlighted and that could lead them to be attacked by net haters.

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:36:11am

re: #374 Walter L. Newton

Maybe in those classes I’ll get more info about engaging problem customers.

Lesson 1. Some customers are simply assholes. There is no amount of “excellent customer service” that will cure their assholliness. The best thing you can do, is ring them the fuck out.

(I hope that’s in the manual)

382 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:38:04am

Another Black Widow Suicide Attack In Chechnya

Two week since the Moscow subway bombing, another female Chechen terrorist killed herself and a police officer in the Northern Caucasus.

Marina Yevloyeva was the widow of an Islamic insurgents who blew himself up to avoid arrest last Friday, according to the Moscow Times. The 25-year-old is one a growing set of women described as black widows — an aspect of the jihadist wave that terrifies Russia.

383 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:38:28am

Wait a second? I thought this was a no-no when Bush was doing this…


First, according to Gibbs now, the Cheney/Kristol Right was absolutely correct all along in arguing that accused Terrorists have no right to a trial and that there’s no harm in putting them before military commissions instead. That’s the viewpoint which Gibbs explicitly endorsed today. Conversely, Obama supporters who spent months arguing that civilian trials for the 9/11 defendants were compelled by the Rule of Law, Our Values and The Constitution — and who were defending the White House from right-wing attacks — just had their arguments resoundingly rejected by the White House itself, which now says that justice can be served by denying civilian trials. What are those people going to say when Obama does exactly that which they spent months arguing is prohibited by the Rule of Law, Our Values and the Constitution: namely, denying civilian trials?

salon.com

I tired of the hypocrisy of ALL the fucking politicians.

384 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:38:37am
385 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:39:45am
386 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:40:19am
387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:40:25am

re: #375 MandyManners

Mandy, did you hear about DesertSage’s son?

388 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:40:43am

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

Another Black Widow Suicide Attack In Chechnya

I can hear the calls for the increased airport security screening of young white women already.

Yeah, right.

389 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:16am
390 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:24am

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

That may cut down on trolls on the site, but I can see it opening some people who have strong opinions to web-stalking. If they use their real names to post, they’ll get highlighted and that could lead them to be attacked by net haters.

Or by just general crazy people who have some sort of mental disfunction and will get upset about even the most minor of quibbles. My foray into more open net communications was cut short when I got threatened and cyber stalked by a crazy person who was upset at a difference of opinion about growing tomatoes.

391 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:38am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All but the most bubbleheaded liberals want to give everythin away for free. What we need is a fair and equitqble distribution of opportunities, education, resources and infrastructure to allow people to work better to achieve the level of their abilities.

And it is not a matter of drum circles and chanting to promote peace, but part of it is recognizing that the USA is one nation in the world community and not the sole determining force in world politics.

392 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:41:58am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lesson 1. Some customers are simply assholes. There is no amount of “excellent customer service” that will cure their assholliness. The best thing you can do, is ring them the fuck out.

(I hope that’s in the manual)

I agree with that.

But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”

Wrong. That’s why I was surprised that they called me 4 weeks ago. I figured I would never hear from them because I got the “big question” wrong.

393 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:05am

re: #382 NJDhockeyfan

Another Black Widow Suicide Attack In Chechnya

Splodybitch splodes like her husband. Now they can be together in Hell. ROPMA

394 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:08am
395 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:29am
396 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:42:49am

re: #385 MandyManners

If true, it’ll turn the crime into not a racial crime but a case of just desserts.

Even the original theory wasn’t about race, but rather unpaid wages. For these folks though, it’s an article of faith that they are an endangered species. (And I’m betting that “species” is just the thing on their minds.)

397 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:44:34am

re: #387 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mandy, did you hear about DesertSage’s son?

The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.

398 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:44:59am
399 subsailor68  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:45:47am

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

I agree with that.

But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”

Wrong. That’s why I was surprised that they called me 4 weeks ago. I figured I would never hear from them because I got the “big question” wrong.

Hi Walter! I worked with a guy who did marketing seminars. His view was:

The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer. Make your decisions accordingly.

400 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:00am

re: #390 Jadespring

Or by just general crazy people who have some sort of mental disfunction and will get upset about even the most minor of quibbles. My foray into more open net communications was cut short when I got threatened and cyber stalked by a crazy person who was upset at a difference of opinion about growing tomatoes.

Exactly. A better policy would be to have the real names of trusted posters known to the Washington Post, but concealed from the general public. Their are simply too many Net Loons out there.

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:20am

re: #391 ralphieboy

Like I said, I hope it works. I’d love to see it work!

402 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:28am

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

I agree with that.

But when I first applied for this position 6 months ago, took a little verbal test with the HR manager and basically got that question wrong. “Is the customer always right.” I answered “That would be according to the business model you use here… there may be some situations where your corporate concepts does not match the customers ‘needs’”

Hehehe. Rule 1 of corporate life: Never make your manager feel stupid.

Rule 1b: Even if he/she *is* stupid.

Rule 1c: *Especially* if he/she is stupid.

403 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:46:33am

Carter’s adviser projects a Middle East plan full of fallacies

Ex-President Jimmy Carter’s National Security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and former Democratic congressman Stephen Solarz have come up with yet another Middle East peace plan - this one, as published in the Washington Post, relies heavily on a dramatic Barack Obama peace odyssey to the region with a party of Arab leaders and Quartet (US, Russia, EU and UN) members climaxing in a dramatic speech “to all the peoples of the region” from the Old City of Jerusalem.

….

404 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:15am

re: #402 Kruk

Hehehe. Rule 1 of corporate life: Never make your manager feel stupid.

Rule 1b: Even if he/she *is* stupid.

Rule 1c: *Especially* if he/she is stupid.


Rule 1:
The boss is always right.
Rule 2:
When the boss is wrong, refer to Rule 1.

405 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:25am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I personally; Would love to be wrong.

I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).

I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.

I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.

I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.

That would be nice, but unlikely. The best we can hope for after the crazy spending by both sides for decades won’t hurt as bad as some suspect. “There is no such thing as a free lunch”
I do see signs of a major recovery, but if we get it, the politicians will figure out a place to spend the extra money. Look how fast we pissed away the Clinton surpluses with Bush, than Obama outdid him.

406 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:32am

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday.

Ah ha. Wasn’t aware of that.

407 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:36am
408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:38am

re: #383 Walter L. Newton

I always kind of thought that the closer that Obama got to the comfy chair, the more sense some of W’s decisions would make.

Prescient. That’s me.

409 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:47am

re: #399 subsailor68

Hi Walter! I worked with a guy who did marketing seminars. His view was:

The customer is not always right, but the customer is always the customer. Make your decisions accordingly.

Well, the HR manager told me “The customer is always right, but only until we get home and talk about them over the dinner table.”

410 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:47:56am
411 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:48:09am

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.

Did you go into their “house”?

412 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:11am
413 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:15am

re: #404 reine.de.tout

Corollary-
When the Boss is happy everybody is happy.

414 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:27am

re: #397 Dark_Falcon

The Stalker Blog talked about that on Saturday. We were having a blog skirmish with them when one of their posters came in and said he had died in a car accident. That ended the skirmish for me, so I said a prayer for him and his family them went to bed.

How were you have a “blog skirmish?” Do you post at the stalker blog?

415 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:34am

re: #379 Kruk

Never underestimate people’s ability to find a dark lining to every silver cloud. I can see it now “Yes, you’re employed, fed, housed and healthy, but are you FREE? Bread and circuses! Bread and circuses!”

Fox is already hyping possible dark linings that
“may” come. Inflation, VAT taxes, all looming storm clouds.

416 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:46am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I personally; Would love to be wrong.

I would love to find that we can provide for everyone’s needs, raise taxes and still be economically viable. Free healthcare, food, housing, cars, fuel, everything, taxing the rich lavishly without frightening them away (or removing them as a class).

I’d love to find that touring the world giving hugs and having drum circles can keep us safe.

I am not conservative because I don’t want to help anybody. I am a conservative because I don’t think that everything that liberals want to do for everyone is sustainable for the long term.

I do not want our President to fail. I’d honestly love to be shown that I can be a complete and total bleeding heart, hopey-changey-Love everybody liberal and not bankrupt our country.

Bingo!

417 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:49:47am

In honor of Holocaust Remembrance Day (yesterday)… Edward R Murrow on the radio reporting of what he saw at Buchenwald.

Never Forget. Never Again.

418 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:02am

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Well, the HR manager told me “The customer is always right, but only until we get home and talk about them over the dinner table.”

Oy. I can so relate to that. Frontline staff have no choice but to grin and bear it in public, but in private…

419 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:20am

re: #413 Rightwingconspirator

Corollary-
When the Boss is happy everybody is happy.

Not if your Boss is a sadist.

420 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:44am
421 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:50:55am

re: #410 MandyManners

Killed in a dirtbike accident, Saturday, I think. Broken neck. Died instantly.

I emailed Hoops about it yesterday. Just wanted to make sure you knew too.

422 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:08am

re: #403 NJDhockeyfan

Carter’s adviser projects a Middle East plan full of fallacies

Normally, I reject what DEBKA says as unreliable, but this time I think they are correct. Such a plan relies far too much on the personal skills of Barack Obama, who has not yet shown the ability to achieve such results. My own subsidiary analysis of the plan’s authors shows that they are still suffering from “leg tingles”.

423 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:16am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always kind of thought that the closer that Obama got to the comfy chair, the more sense some of W’s decisions would make.

Prescient. That’s me.

I mainly disagreed with Bush on Iraq, but it’s turning out better than I expected, the mad spending, not so much.

424 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:20am

re: #419 Jadespring

Not if your Boss is a sadist.

Or when feeling his female employees up makes his happy.

425 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:21am

Former Syrian agent fingers Hezb men for Hariri hit

KUWAIT CITY, April 11: Former Syrian secret intelligence agent Mohammad Zaheer Al-Sadiq - the main witness in the assassination case of martyr Rafiq Al-Hariri — has linked members of Hezbollah to the crime, while reaffirming the truthfulness of his confession to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.

Talking to Al-Seyassah daily from one of the European countries where he is currently residing after leaving United Arab Emirates, Al-Sadiq said those behind the crime will tremble in fear after the issuance of an earth-shattering decision by the tribunal. He confirmed the logistical involvement of Hezbollah members in the assassination of Al-Hariri, but he does not know whether the Hezbollah leadership was aware of the group’s role in this crime.

Expressing surprise at the recent statement of Hezbollah General Secretary Hassan Nasrallah on the so-called ‘false witness’ prior to the issuance of the decision, Al-Sadiq stressed if Nasrallah is contemplating on the repetition of the May 7 tragedy, he is wrong because nobody can terrorize the court. He was referring to the attack on Beirut in May 2008.

Comparing some Hezbollah politicians to the gangs in Chicago, Al-Sadiq believes that resistance is more honorable than taking care of these people. He revealed during the Syrian rule in Lebanon every major and minor security operation took place due to the strong coordination between Hezbollah and the Syrian leadership, through the Syrian military intelligence.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:30am

re: #405 avanti

Well said.

In Bush’s defense? 911 was the beginning of the “pissing away of the surplus”.

But, the dude could spend some money, couldn’t he?

427 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:39am
428 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:51:43am

re: #424 Jadespring

Or when feeling his female employees up makes his happy.

PIMF him happy.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:52:07am

re: #410 MandyManners

Terrible, sad news. His son was killed in an accident.

430 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:52:16am

re: #424 Jadespring

Or when feeling his female employees up makes his happy.

He seriously gets away with that in this day and age? Ye gods.

431 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:54:35am

‘Scud Crisis’ Threatens War between Israel, Hizbullah

A “Scud Crisis” is threatening to ignite an all-out war between Israel and Hizbullah, the Kuwaiti al-Rai newspaper reported.

The daily said that Syria has delivered to Hizbullah Scud missiles, sparking a behind-the-scenes crisis after Israel informed Washington that “it will take steps if the U.S. didn’t find a solution to what the Jewish state considers a threat to its security.”

Following the Israeli warning, the U.S. State Department summoned Syrian ambassador Imad Mustafa and asked him “to inform his government about the level of danger if the missiles crossed the border,” al-Rai said.

Washington also reportedly told Mustafa that the U.S. and other parties are keen to achieve a peaceful solution to the crisis to avoid war.

The daily quoted U.S. sources as saying that Israel has sent indirect warnings to Syria through Turkey and Qatar that it would “bomb Lebanese and Syrian targets in case the missiles crossed the border … and reached Hizbullah.”

However, according to al-Rai, there are conflicting reports about the delivery of the Scud missiles to the Shiite party. Some sources in Washington confirm it, while others say the missiles didn’t cross the border into Lebanon.

432 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:56:36am
433 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:56:54am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Terrible, sad news. His son was killed in an accident.

Devastating.

434 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:57:31am

re: #411 reine.de.tout

Did you go into their “house”?

They went after Ludwig, so I opened their latest thread to keep an eye on things. As normally happens, they saw my comments and responded with insults. The two sides sent out what Gus802 called “smoke signals” at each other for some time, culminating in a series of extremely vitriolic exchanges between Ludwig and Rodan. Rodan’s words were violent, Ludwig’s were obscene, so I will not repeat any of them. Then Rodan went to bed and it was announced that Desert_Sage’s son had died. At no time did post anything over there or praise them, though I did say a prayer here for the fallen and his family.

435 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:57:33am
436 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:57:41am

re: #425 NJDhockeyfan

Syria wants to maintain its own plausible deniability over its own actions in Lebanon and doesn’t want to invite further scrutiny over what it does there, so they’re letting some Hizbullah hang out to dry. That’s even as Hizbullah uses and relies upon Syrian assistance to get their weapons and equipment via Iran.

437 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:58:07am

re: #431 NJDhockeyfan

‘Scud Crisis’ Threatens War between Israel, Hizbullah

Skeptical unless it pops up in anywhere in non-Arab media.

438 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:58:13am

re: #421 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Killed in a dirtbike accident, Saturday, I think. Broken neck. Died instantly.

I emailed Hoops about it yesterday. Just wanted to make sure you knew too.

My condolences to the family.

439 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 8:59:52am

re: #437 Joo-LiZ

Skeptical unless it pops up in anywhere in non-Arab media.

I was thinking about posting the 48 hour rule on that one. Isn’t that story in a Lebanese paper?

440 Jadespring  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:00:54am

re: #430 Kruk

He seriously gets away with that in this day and age? Ye gods.

Well I’m my own boss now. But yeah, when it’s a job which has a single owner there isn’t much you can do except quit or try to bring about some legal charges. Thought about doing that but the expense wasn’t worth it. I quit that job as soon as it started happening though not before the other woman and I metaphorically screwed him out of about ten grand and his reputation. He only had two employees so we waited until he had this big and important catering contract and quit the day of right before he was supposed to do it. Left him no time to find a replacement.


It was a relatively small community and so when I applied for other jobs and had to answer the ‘so why did you quit question’ or ‘can we call your past employer for a reference’ I told the truth.


Didn’t feel guilty at all.

441 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:01:49am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

It’s source is a Kuwaiti paper though, doesn’t seem to be independently checked.

442 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:02:31am
443 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:04:27am
444 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:05:32am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Norm McDonald had a funny bit about dobermans…

The Doberman used to be the scariest dogs around. Now with pit-bulls and rotweillers, the doberman’s sitting over in the corner; frisbee in his mouth saying, “I used to be somebody! I was a dober-man!”

Dobes are supposed to be good family dogs and very intuitive. I have a privacy fence up around my yard and I caught my new neighbors little kid sticking his fingers through my fence yesterday. I looked over at my girl and I thought she was licking the fence but she was cleaning his fingers. They’re very friendly unless they have a reason to think they shouldn’t be, good dogs all the way around.

445 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:05:37am

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

holy cow.
Just peeked in at Sat threads there.

They don’t much like Mormons over there, do they?
Esp Romney.

446 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:02am

re: #440 Jadespring

Heh. That happened to a manager I worked for once (no-where in same league as your old boss, just one that tended to run rough-shod over staff.) About four critical staff members quit at once, and she was like “Why is everyone leaving me?” I could think of several reasons, but I kept them to myself. I still had a few months left before it was right for *me* to leave.

447 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:37am

re: #445 reine.de.tout

holy cow.
Just peeked in at Sat threads there.

They don’t much like Mormons over there, do they?
Esp Romney.

They don’t like sane people much over there.

448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #442 MandyManners

I just dropped him a line.

Excellent. He can use all the support he can get. He used the word “devastated” yersterday.

449 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:07:15am
450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:07:43am

re: #445 reine.de.tout

See why I don’t go to other sites?

451 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:08:22am
452 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:14am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

They don’t like sane people much over there.

Never darkened that door. Never will. Not for any reason whatsoever.

/GAH! … *shiver*

453 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:22am

Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.

foxnews.com>foxnews.com>surprise./a>

454 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:29am
455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:09:47am

re: #444 RogueOne

Richard Pryor… A Doberman’ll show the burglar where everything in the house is… then, when he wants to leave the doberman’ll change. (low growly voice) “You can’t leave; I want to play.” They find the burglar the next day… hand on the doorknob, frozen in fear…

456 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:17am

re: #407 MandyManners

I disagree with the article’s contention that “terrorism is just another reason that Russia Is toast” and that tight ecnomic times mean the Russians won’t fight back. Russia wants Chechnya and the rest of the region for oil, timber and minerals. They’ll fight like hell to keep it.

After the USSR fell apart, Russia also faced the possibility of some of its autonomous regions spinning off into independent states. They have decided to pre-empt any moves in that direction with extreme prejudice, as they know that it would lead to even further disintegration.

457 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:18am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

They don’t like sane people much over there.

Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.

458 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:10:37am

re: #449 MandyManners

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

To be fair, Mandy, we’ve been arming the Lebanese Army for quite some time. While they won’t fight Hizballah, neither do they slip weapons to them. The odds are strongly against the Hezzies getting a hold of this stuff.

459 HoosierHoops  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:11:19am

re: #454 MandyManners

I can’t imagine. His son was the apple of his eye.

He must be in horrible pain right now…I hope some day God will heal his heart and give his family grace.

460 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:11:45am

re: #457 Kruk

Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.

Just think about it. If Obamacare fails, they will have Romney to blame.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:00am

re: #457 Kruk

I think he can say, “I don’t blame the President for trying! I did, it didn’t fucking work! I accept that responsibility. And I learned something too… now? We can’t stop it. That’s why I will have the thing repealed and we will start over. I promise a bill within a year.”

I could stand behind that.

462 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:18am

re: #457 Kruk

Romney does seem like sanest of the current crop of GOP 2012 candidates, but he’s got two major problems. One, he’s going to have to find a way of attacking Obama’s health care bill without looking like a collosal hypocrite. (He signed a very similar bill into law into law when he was a Governor.) Second, he’s going to have to explain his changing positions on abortion, and I doubt the SoCons will be a sympathetic audience.

and he’s Mormon. Not enough to put off sane, rational people who vote based on a candidates, record, experience, policy and strength of character, but enough to put off a lot of religious bigots.

463 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:23am
464 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:34am

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Richard Pryor… A Doberman’ll show the burglar where everything in the house is… then, when he wants to leave the doberman’ll change. (low growly voice) “You can’t leave; I want to play.” They find the burglar the next day… hand on the doorknob, frozen in fear…

That’s funny cuz it’s true. I had a customer come in the back door figuring it was fine since he had met the dog multiple times. He came in when no one was back there and she stopped him in the middle of the room. He said whenever he moved her hair would go up and she would show all her teeth so he couldn’t make it out the door or into the office. He stood there for 15 minutes or so before one of the guys found him.

465 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:12:51am

re: #449 MandyManners

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

It’s Bush’s fault./

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese forces battling Islamic militants inside Lebanon will be resupplied by a shipment of U.S. military ammunition, which is expected to arrive within two days, senior U.S. officials told CNN on Thursday.

In the meantime, both sides flatly rejected calls to surrender.

A statement attributed to Fatah al-Islam was sent Thursday to several media outlets in Lebanon, saying the militant group intends ” to blow up several crusaders’ universities and schools tomorrow in the event the Lebanese army does not surrender.” Crusaders usually refers to Americans or Westerners. (Watch what so unnerves the Lebanese people about the violence Video)

Responding to Lebanon’s call for immediate military assistance, the U.S. military will send as many as six cargo flights carrying ammunition to Lebanon, the officials said.

One senior U.S. military official said it is rare to send military flights on such a mission, considering the sensitive nature of the United States’ role in the Middle East. But the Bush administration decided it could not wait to charter commercial cargo planes for the resupply mission, the official said. (Watch Palestinians flee during a lull in the combat Video)

466 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:13:06am
467 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:13:24am

REALITY CHECK

A) The United States has not and will not arm Hizballah.

B) The United States has shipped arms to Lebanon before. This is one example:

Lebanon to receive weapons shipment from U.S.
POSTED: 11:30 p.m. EDT, May 24, 2007

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — Lebanese forces battling Islamic militants inside Lebanon will be resupplied by a shipment of U.S. military ammunition, which is expected to arrive within two days, senior U.S. officials told CNN on Thursday.

In the meantime, both sides flatly rejected calls to surrender.

A statement attributed to Fatah al-Islam was sent Thursday to several media outlets in Lebanon, saying the militant group intends ” to blow up several crusaders’ universities and schools tomorrow in the event the Lebanese army does not surrender.” Crusaders usually refers to Americans or Westerners. (Watch what so unnerves the Lebanese people about the violence Video)

Responding to Lebanon’s call for immediate military assistance, the U.S. military will send as many as six cargo flights carrying ammunition to Lebanon, the officials said.

One senior U.S. military official said it is rare to send military flights on such a mission, considering the sensitive nature of the United States’ role in the Middle East. But the Bush administration decided it could not wait to charter commercial cargo planes for the resupply mission, the official said. (Watch Palestinians flee during a lull in the combat Video)

The senior officials stressed that the flights are carrying only supplies for Lebanese forces, and the U.S. military has no intention of involving its troops in the fighting, which began Sunday.

468 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:13:39am
469 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:00am

re: #454 MandyManners

I can’t imagine. His son was the apple of his eye.

I can’t either. I’m the Daddy of a first-born female child (if you get the drift.) Words do not come when trying to visualize what it must be like.

BTW, if you want, my nic is blue.

470 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:12am
471 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:27am

re: #449 MandyManners

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

The USA is not arming Hizballah. Stop spreading false rumors.

472 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:14:37am

re: #453 avanti

Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.

That link didn’t work. Here’s a good one:

Tea Party Rallies Remain a Cauldron for Conspiracy Theories

473 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:11am

re: #449 MandyManners

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

Obama blocks delivery of bunker-busters to Israel


WASHINGTON — The United States has diverted a shipment of bunker-busters designated for Israel.

Officials said the U.S. military was ordered to divert a shipment of smart bunker-buster bombs from Israel to a military base in Diego Garcia. They said the shipment of 387 smart munitions had been slated to join pre-positioned U.S. military equipment in Israel Air Force bases.

“This was a political decision,” an official said.

In 2008, the United States approved an Israeli request for bunker-busters capable of destroying underground facilities, including Iranian nuclear weapons sites. Officials said delivery of the weapons was held up by the administration of President Barack Obama, Middle East Newsline reported.

Since taking office, Obama has refused to approve any major Israeli requests for U.S. weapons platforms or advanced systems. Officials said this included proposed Israeli procurement of AH-64D Apache attack helicopters, refueling systems, advanced munitions and data on a stealth variant of the F-15E.

“All signs indicate that this will continue in 2010,” a congressional source familiar with the Israeli military requests said. “This is really an embargo, but nobody talks about it publicly.”

474 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:14am
475 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:24am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think he can say, “I don’t blame the President for trying! I did, it didn’t fucking work! I accept that responsibility. And I learned something too… now? We can’t stop it. That’s why I will have the thing repealed and we will start over. I promise a bill within a year.”

I could stand behind that.

I would respect that if I believed it was sincere. The problem is that Romney seems to have a pattern of saying whatever his current electorate wants to hear him say. (Pro-choice, pro-universal coverage, even pro-gay rights when he was running for governor of a liberal state, the opposite when he is running in a republican primary.) If his primary opponents don’t nail him on it, you can bet the Obama campaign will.

476 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:25am

re: #466 MandyManners

See what they’re doing in Kyrgyzstan.

That is an independent Republic, I am talking about the numerous Autonomous Regions like Chechnya, Osseita, Mordvia and Dagestan, many of whom feel left out because they cannot set up their own republics.

477 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:56am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

Another BS story.

478 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:16:58am
479 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:17:09am

re: #468 MandyManners

How can they keep the arms away from Hizballah?

Their use is monitored by officers and NCO’s not loyal to Hizballah. Further, the Hezzies have a political arrangement with the rest of Lebanon. Part of that has long been mutual non-confrontation between them and the army. Both are careful not to provoke the other.

480 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:17:51am
481 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:19:14am

re: #468 MandyManners

How can they keep the arms away form Hizballah?

The theory is the weapons are used mostly against Hizballah, in support of the government and without them, Hizallah could overthrow the government.
Just like some US weapons given to the Iraqis end up with the bad guys, the same may do the same in Lebanon, but that does not mean we won’t support the enemy of our enemy.

482 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:19:34am

re: #449 MandyManners

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

Yes, it IS “unfuckingbelievable.” Literally.

Sigh.

483 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:20:00am

re: #481 avanti


I’d say our plan of arming the Sunni militants was far more risky than giving arms to the Lebanese army.

484 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:00am
485 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:15am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

That story was desputed weeks ago, try again.

486 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:41am

re: #478 MandyManners

I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.

If both of you will e-mail me, I’ll put you together.
e-mail addy is in my profile and at the cookbook blog.
This is also an open invite for anyone.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:54am

re: #485 avanti

Disputed or busted?

I honestly don’t know.

488 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:21:55am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

And yet another false story.

489 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:22:00am
490 bratwurst  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:22:23am

re: #477 Gus 802

Another BS story.

This same source also includes the dubious headline “U.S. drops Iran, Syria from airport watch list”

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:22:57am

re: #490 bratwurst

Oh, okay. Nuff said…

492 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:02am
493 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:16am

re: #481 avanti

The theory is the weapons are used mostly against Hizballah, in support of the government and without them, Hizallah could overthrow the government.
Just like some US weapons given to the Iraqis end up with the bad guys, the same may do the same in Lebanon, but that does not mean we won’t support the enemy of our enemy.

Agreed. It also helps prevent Syria from getting back the level of control it once had.

494 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:36am
495 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:45am

re: #490 bratwurst

This same source also includes the dubious headline “U.S. drops Iran, Syria from airport watch list”

Does it? That’s too much. I started checking but I have to head to the store.

496 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:10am

I really wish that the number of false accusations about Obama’s administration vis-a-vis Israel would just slow down a little bit, because it’s getting very hard to keep track of what is actually happening. There is a real risk here of anything Israel-related turning into ‘crying wolf’.

After enough of these bogus stories are disproved, what incentive will anyone have to look into the next story, rather than simply dismissing it out of hand?

497 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:25am

re: #482 Charles

Yes, it IS “unfuckingbelievable.” Literally.

Sigh.

Makes me think of this…

Maybe the Middle East would be a nicer place if the US just picked a side and stuck with it…

498 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:39am

re: #478 MandyManners

I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.

Hoops has my email address, if round-about is an option.

499 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:24:42am

re: #467 Gus 802

The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.

But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.

500 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:14am

re: #486 reine.de.tout

If both of you will e-mail me, I’ll put you together.
e-mail addy is in my profile and at the cookbook blog.
This is also an open invite for anyone.

Will do.

501 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:49am

re: #496 Obdicut

I really wish that the number of false accusations about Obama’s administration vis-a-vis Israel would just slow down a little bit, because it’s getting very hard to keep track of what is actually happening. There is a real risk here of anything Israel-related turning into ‘crying wolf’.

After enough of these bogus stories are disproved, what incentive will anyone have to look into the next story, rather than simply dismissing it out of hand?

It’s just the daily run of the “Outrageous Outrage!1” Express, designed to keep the teabaggers fired up and hatin’.

502 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:25:56am

re: #489 MandyManners

I’m talking about BOTH.

Russia can only exert indirect influence on the politics of the ex-Soviet republics, and the sight of what is happening there is enough to motivate them to clamp down hard on anything that remained within the borders of the Russian Federation

503 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:26:37am

re: #492 MandyManners

Why is Arutz Sheva reporting it? Are you saying the report is a lie, made up of whole cloth?

Mandy, the part about arming Lebanon is true, we’ve done it for years, the part about arming Hezbollah is the lie.

504 Gus  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:27:32am

re: #499 lawhawk

The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.

But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.

Thanks for the info.

Regardless, it’s just a continuation of previous policy.

The Bush White House armed Lebanon as Avanti and me pointed out.

BBL

505 bratwurst  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:27:35am

re: #495 Gus 802

Does it? That’s too much. I started checking but I have to head to the store.

Here’s another headline they have:

“Top Obama advisor’s recommendation: Reconcile with Hizbullah”

506 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:28:52am
507 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:13am

re: #499 lawhawk

And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.

508 Summer Seale  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:24am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

I was just about to post that too!

What an idiotic thing to say. Also: just what the Republicans need even more. Some guy with a thicker than molasses southern accent shooting off his mouth about how slavery wasn’t really an issue.

Great party image. I wonder: did somebody teach them how to shoot themselves in the foot, or did they sorta figure that part out all on their own?

509 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:35am

re: #478 MandyManners

I’d love to e-mail you but my ISP does not allow me to do so.

So how’s the weather in North Korea today?

/

510 Lidane  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:29:59am

Morning, Lizards!

Today, I’m a bundle of nerves. I just asked two of my former professors for grad school recommendations. Here’s hoping they say yes. *crosses fingers*

Also, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What Tea Party racism?

Fun times.

511 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:30:32am

re: #506 MandyManners

See Reine’s No. 486, please.

Yes, I did, and it’s been done

512 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:30:50am

re: #507 Obdicut

And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.

We’ve got you over a barrel
Of imported Saudi Crude
When you fill your tanks
We all give thanks
God Bless the USA!

(Some political satirist in song)

513 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:31:24am

re: #510 Lidane

My fiancee had one recommendation letter that took the dude more than a month to write. She had to facebook-harass me to get it.

Best of luck with both the recommendations and acceptance— what’s your field of study?

514 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:31:35am

re: #504 Gus 802

Thanks for the info.

Regardless, it’s just a continuation of previous policy.

The Bush White House armed Lebanon as Avanti and me pointed out.

BBL

The whole outrage is silly. We arm Pakistan, and that could “go south”, and the same with Iraq and Afghanistan.

515 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:31:50am
516 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:32:48am

re: #512 jamesfirecat


I want to be a Wahabi
in a Saudi prince’s garden in the shade…

517 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33:07am

re: #507 Obdicut

Indeed - and that’s been a bone of contention for a good long time - that the weapons systems sold by the US to various regimes around the region that were “friendly” to the US at the time might end up in the hands of the jihadis directly (such as via a government takeover, see Iran) or indirectly (handing off weapons to jihadis to fight elsewhere as a relief valve to maintain control just a wee bit longer).

518 Lidane  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:23am

re: #513 Obdicut

My fiancee had one recommendation letter that took the dude more than a month to write. She had to facebook-harass me to get it.

Best of luck with both the recommendations and acceptance— what’s your field of study?

Thanks. I hope they say yes. I’ve offered to bring the paperwork by their office. I’ll even offer to hand deliver everything when they’re done if it gets it done faster.

This is the degree I’m hoping to get. With any luck, I’ll get into the program.

519 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:37am

re: #515 MandyManners

I can’t find anything other than the israelnationnews.com link.

Don’t let that hold you back from the outrage of the day post, one might be true at some point.

520 ryannon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:34:42am

re: #499 lawhawk

The US can make declarations that it will not arm Hizbullah, all while shipping weapons systems to Lebanon, but the Lebanese government is comprised of multiple factions, including Hizbullah. The Lebanese military does have access to US weapons it purchased from the US, including a package of weapons including helicopters and other equipment needed to fight Fatah al Islam in the refugee camps in 2008.

But the Lebanese government is a delicate thing, and should things go south, it isn’t inconceivable that Hizbullah would get its hands on US military gear. The March 8 coalition includes Hizbullah, and they have put the screws to the March 14 coalition members, including Walid Jumblatt.

Bingo. And that’s exactly how it works there.

We’re not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

521 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:06am
522 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:10am

re: #510 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Today, I’m a bundle of nerves. I just asked two of my former professors for grad school recommendations. Here’s hoping they say yes. *crosses fingers*

Also, courtesy of Balloon Juice:

What Tea Party racism?

Fun times.

Oooh, I remember that horrible wait. Let’s say that my undergraduate grade average wasn’t the greatest. Luckily in pharmacy, having a professional registration and experience was a lot more important than grades. My wife, on the other hand, has a maths masters degree with first class honours, and still worries if she’ll get into a PhD programme becuse her field is so competitve. There’s a lot of that sort of luck involved. All the best to you.

523 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:29am

re: #508 Summer

I was just about to post that too!

What an idiotic thing to say. Also: just what the Republicans need even more. Some guy with a thicker than molasses southern accent shooting off his mouth about how slavery wasn’t really an issue.

Great party image. I wonder: did somebody teach them how to shoot themselves in the foot, or did they sorta figure that part out all on their own?

Thanks Summer. I think that Barbour wasn’t really thinking about the national image. His main concern was likely his own constituents, and sadly he’s not wrong when he says that “Confederate History Month” is not controversial in Mississippi (among white people, that is).

524 Qabal  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:35:38am

OT: Nope, no racism in the Tea Party, none at all…

tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com

525 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:36:10am
526 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:36:40am

re: #507 Obdicut

And we happily ship tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia, where they can easily wind up in the hands of terrorists, simply be used to oppress the citizenry, or, in the worst case scenario, become the arms of a new Wahabist state.

Lebanon and Saudi aren’t in the same the situation.

Arutz Sheva jumps the gun a bit in saying arming Lebanon is the exact same as arming Hizballah, but I agree with LawHawk.

The Lebanese government is held hostage to Hizballah, and while I hope these weapons would be used in a worst case scenario to defend Lebanon against Hizballah, the odds are more likely they would be used by Hizballah.

The line between the Lebanese government and Hizballah has been majorly blurred in the last year or so. The “good” March 14th coalition has essentially surrendered itself, with major leaders like Hariri and Jumblatt making their way to Syria to pay homage to Assad despite major personal grievances there.

When the US decided it no longer cared to support March 14 against the March 8 forces, and preferred to leave Lebanon to it’s own machinations, things there went south.

527 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:37:23am

re: #517 lawhawk

Indeed - and that’s been a bone of contention for a good long time - that the weapons systems sold by the US to various regimes around the region that were “friendly” to the US at the time might end up in the hands of the jihadis directly (such as via a government takeover, see Iran) or indirectly (handing off weapons to jihadis to fight elsewhere as a relief valve to maintain control just a wee bit longer).

We’ve got to run those risks sometimes. We’ve gotten burned by it sometimes, but it’s not a safe world. We need to be willing to take calculated risks.

528 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:37:41am
529 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:38:46am

re: #525 MandyManners

Take a gander at LawHawk’s No. 499.

see my 514’s reply.

530 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:39:07am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

It’s a classic realpolitik position.

531 bratwurst  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:39:16am

re: #524 Qabal

OT: Nope, no racism in the Tea Party, none at all…

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

One email shows a video of an African tribal dance, entitled “Obama Inauguration Rehearsal”

Must EVERY criticism of Obama be termed racist?
/

532 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:08am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

We’ve got to run those risks sometimes. We’ve gotten burned by it sometimes, but it’s not a safe world. We need to be willing to take calculated risks.

If only someone was actually doing some calculating!

Seem to me like they are taking arbitrary risks without weighing them much.

533 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:33am

re: #521 MandyManners

They are playing a similar game with Byelorussia, allowing a petty dictator to run them into the ground to the point that they will come running back and ask to taken into a federation with Russia.

Solzhenitsyn pointed out that Russia has the largest diaspora in history since the break-up of the USSR.

And where ethnic Russians were once a pampered elite in the satellite republics, they now often find themselves a minority subject to discrimiation.

534 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:40:53am

re: #531 bratwurst

Must EVERY criticism of Obama be termed racist?
/

He’s simply brave enough to be “politically incorrect”, and sophisticated enough to do “ethnic humour”.

//

535 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:41:13am

re: #528 MandyManners

WTF? Why the snark?

Because you have a knack for finding obscure links to unproven right wing talking points. Like some links to leftie talking points, the lizards will sort them out.

536 bratwurst  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:41:23am

re: #534 Kruk

He’s simply brave enough to be “politically incorrect”, and sophisticated enough to do “ethnic humour”.

//


SATIRE!!

/Rush

537 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:42:01am

re: #514 avanti

The whole outrage is silly. We arm Pakistan, and that could “go south”, and the same with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Pakistan I take issue with, also, but at least the argument can be made that they are actively fighting in their tribal regions. Iraq and Afghanistan are also fighting against US enemies.

Lebanon has already capitulated.

As I said up above, the redeeming possibility here is if there was a way to ensure these arms remained in non-Hizballah factions to balance the powers there.

538 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:42:55am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

I think that calculation was missed a long time ago. We armed far too many tinpot dictators during the Cold War who used those arms to oppress their own populace.

Eisenhower had a very good point, and was largely ignored.

539 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:43:28am

re: #506 MandyManners

Check your email Inbox.

540 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:21am

re: #529 avanti

And pointing out that Pakistan could go south has potentially greater consequences given that they are a nuclear power and have a significant military capability. They also share a long disputed border with India and should the jihadis rise to power in Pakistan lead to bad things happening there. As it is, there are regular skirmishes across the Line of Control despite both the Indian and Pakistani governments trying to keep things calm there.

The US is even acting as an intermediary between the Pakistanis and Indians following the Mumbai attacks to get Pakistan to crack down against LeT moreso than it had done in the past - particularly because of a rapproachment between the US and India that began during the Bush Administration.

As an aside, the Pakistanis are apparently in the midst of a major military campaign in the NWFP sending more than 200,000 fleeing the violence. That’s all part of the move to quell the Taliban/al Qaeda in the region.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:47am

Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

A new activist group, Crash The Tea Party, has sprung up on the web with the sole intention of “dismantling and demolishing” the entire tea party movement. Crash’s mission statement goes on to explain “our goal is to derail the fake Tea party movement by crashing the party and highlighting the absurdity of them.” Crash repeatedly refers to tea party supporters as “racists, morons and homophobes.”

Although Crash’s website states that they will take down the tea party “by any non-violent means necessary”, the anonymous founder of the group (known as the “Mad Hatter” or Twitter name “tpartycrasher”) tweeted this on April 8th:

“When Glenn Beck dies, I plan to pour a pint of whiskey on his grave. I hope he doesn’t mind if I run it through my kidneys first!!!.”

Mad Hatter, Crash the Tea Party Founder The group, who has garnered a decent amount of press attention from major cable news and conservative talk radio, says they’ve already infiltrated meetings and rallies with the intent purpose of portraying ‘real’ tea partiers in a negative light in front of the mainstream media. Misspelled signs, extreme TV interviews, and misinformation about events are some of the tactics being used by the group.

542 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:44:52am

re: #535 avanti

Because you have a knack for finding obscure links to unproven right wing talking points. Like some links to leftie talking points, the lizards will sort them out.

Wow, avanti! This is a side of you we rarely see. Watching you go toe-to-toe with Mandy is a change from the meek and mild avanti of old. Positive karma agrees with you.

543 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:02am
544 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:08am

Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…..
Obama is uppity

Revolution

Kill the President

More revolution

545 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:15am

re: #538 Obdicut

I think that calculation was missed a long time ago. We armed far too many tinpot dictators during the Cold War who used those arms to oppress their own populace.

Eisenhower had a very good point, and was largely ignored.

In the 80’s there was cold war drama…
There were commies inside Nicaragua
Our friends were the contras
Freedom was there mantra,
So we gave them lost of money for guns and land mines!

546 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:45:27am

re: #537 Joo-LiZ

Pakistan I take issue with, also, but at least the argument can be made that they are actively fighting in their tribal regions. Iraq and Afghanistan are also fighting against US enemies.

Lebanon has already capitulated.

As I said up above, the redeeming possibility here is if there was a way to ensure these arms remained in non-Hizballah factions to balance the powers there.

Nope, no guarantees in foreign policy. i.e. arming Osama was a great way to mess with Russia at the time, but it turned out badly in the end.

547 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:46:36am

re: #540 lawhawk

And pointing out that Pakistan could go south has potentially greater consequences given that they are a nuclear power and have a significant military capability. They also share a long disputed border with India and should the jihadis rise to power in Pakistan lead to bad things happening there. As it is, there are regular skirmishes across the Line of Control despite both the Indian and Pakistani governments trying to keep things calm there.

The US is even acting as an intermediary between the Pakistanis and Indians following the Mumbai attacks to get Pakistan to crack down against LeT moreso than it had done in the past - particularly because of a rapproachment between the US and India that began during the Bush Administration.

As an aside, the Pakistanis are apparently in the midst of a major military campaign in the NWFP sending more than 200,000 fleeing the violence. That’s all part of the move to quell the Taliban/al Qaeda in the region.

The trouble with the Pakistani fighting in the Tribal areas is that they only really fight against the Taliban that wants to destabilize Pakistan, and are more than willing to leave the Afghan Taliban intact.

But something is better than nothing, and US pressure seems to have succeeded in getting them to take the Taliban there seriously.

I’m a big fan of The Long War Journal for news on that front.

548 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:46:47am

re: #541 NJDhockeyfan

Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?

549 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:47:04am

re: #541 NJDhockeyfan

Charles, do you think the group Crash the Tea Party is going to cause problems for the people trying to point out racism at tea parties?

‘Crash the Tea Party’ group threatens to infiltrate and destroy

Poe’s law.

550 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:47:39am

re: #548 Killgore Trout

I say we blame everything the Democrats have done on Rush’s “Operation Chaos”.

551 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:48:20am

re: #549 jamesfirecat

Poe’s law.


The Tea Party is perfectly capable of shooting itself in the foot, just give ‘em enough time and media coverage.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:48:51am

re: #548 Killgore Trout

No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?


They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.

553 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:49:52am

re: #546 avanti

Nope, no guarantees in foreign policy. i.e. arming Osama was a great way to mess with Russia at the time, but it turned out badly in the end.

I’m not saying it’s risk-free to arm any of the other examples.

But what is the current advantage of arming the Lebanese Army?

I’m not totally against it, as I’ve said I hope they have a mechanism to make sure these arms are used as more of a “balance of powers” and kept out of Hizballah hands.

But if this is just a direct shipment into Lebanese Army caches, I would count on Hizballah having full access to it in a confrontation.

554 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:50:04am

re: #551 ralphieboy

The Tea Party is perfectly capable of shooting itself in the foot, just give ‘em enough time and media coverage.

Now they have an excuse, blame it on that new activist group. The insanity will never end.

555 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:50:56am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…
Obama is uppity

Revolution

Kill the President

More revolution

To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.

556 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:51:03am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Glenn Reynolds proudly links to more Tea Party pics…
Obama is uppity

Revolution

Kill the President

More revolution

In fairness, the one sign does not say uppity, and I don’t have a problem with the Jefferson quote since resistance is not necessarily a call to violence. Both could be a bit of a dog whistle, but the other signs are over the top.

557 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:52:16am

re: #554 NJDhockeyfan

Now they have an excuse, blame it on that new activist group. The insanity will never end.

The insanity won’t end but once enough sane people realize it’s insane, they’ll push it back into the shadows where it normally stays.

558 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:52:41am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.

I found a FB page founded April 8, 2010, now with 970 members nationwide.

I wonder how many of those will take a really active role in “crashing”?

Seems like more of a venting mechanism to me, at least right now, rather than an actual movement.

559 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:53:11am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

re: #556 avanti

GMTA

560 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:54:28am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.

Great minds, think alike. :) (even polar opposites politically )

561 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:12am

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

re: #556 avanti

GMTA

Get out of my head Dark.

562 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:23am

Just to make the Saudi Arabia point more strongly:

We ship them billions of dollars worth of arms.

The Saudi government is closely tied to the a World Assembly of Muslim Youth, a militant, pro-Sharia, pro-conversion organization that funds terrorism.

The head of WAMY is Saleh al-Sheikh, who is in the Suadi government as the head of Islamic Affairs.

563 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:42am

re: #558 reine.de.tout

I found a FB page founded April 8, 2010, now with 970 members nationwide.

I wonder how many of those will take a really active role in “crashing”?

Seems like more of a venting mechanism to me, at least right now, rather than an actual movement.

Let’s hope so. With all the publicity they are receiving right now the may get a rush of new memberships right now and make this summer extra miserable.

564 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:55:43am

re: #550 Obdicut

I say we blame everything the Democrats have done on Rush’s “Operation Chaos”.

Heh. I have this fantasy that since many people seriously doubted whether a African-American could be elected president (right up to the election itself), the “Operation Chaos” people were ordered to support Obama in the primary. And then, come November 2008, Rush had an “Oh, s**t!” moment.

565 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:56:35am

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

re: #560 avanti

re: #561 avanti

Oh, get a room, wouldja?

566 avanti  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:57:43am

re: #565 reine.de.tout

re: #560 avanti

re: #561 avanti

Oh, get a room, wouldja?

Cue the Twilight Zone theme for that series of posts.

567 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:58:05am

re: #563 NJDhockeyfan

Let’s hope so. With all the publicity they are receiving right now the may get a rush of new memberships right now and make this summer extra miserable.

From the Dem’s point of view, it might not be a bad thing. A major problem they’re having is apathy in their own base. If the Tea Party is front and centre, it will get more Democrat voters to the polls.

568 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:58:17am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

They have their own website. Maybe that’s where the ‘dishonest bloggers and Fox news’ found the story.


There’s a page on the internet? It must be true.
/

569 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:59:18am

re: #561 avanti

Get out of my head Dark.

I can’t do that, I’m afraid. Your brains are far too full of useful facts to leave right now. After I pull those files on Studebaker trucks during WWII, I’ll get going.

//

570 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:00:17am

re: #567 Kruk

From the Dem’s point of view, it might not be a bad thing. A major problem they’re having is apathy in their own base. If the Tea Party is front and centre, it will get more Democrat voters to the polls.

If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.

571 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:01:11am

re: #555 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Killgore, I wouldn’t lump that first one in with the vile other three, nor would I describe it like that. To call Obama “arrogant and condescending” may not be correct (though I think it is at times), but it is within the limits of legitimate debate and does not equate to calling him “uppity”. The other three are as vile and extreme as they are billed.

The arrogance claim is steeped in racism. I can’t give these people the benefit of doubt.

572 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:02:06am

re: #570 NJDhockeyfan

If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.

How exactly can they be exposed?

Do they have some kind of Liberal Mark on their bodies which proves which way they vote? Do they have a donkey tattooed on their right arm in blue ink if we make them role up their sleeves?

Like I said, Poe’s Law.

573 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:02:40am

re: #572 jamesfirecat

Yeah. I can’t think of anything a liberal plant would do that’s worse than what’s already happened, anyway. Take a look at the next thread.

574 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:02:44am
575 Kruk  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:00am

re: #570 NJDhockeyfan

If a few people from that group get exposed at some tea party events it will make the Dems look bad. This isn’t a good idea for anyone. Let the tea party folks dig their own graves. This new group will only help them out.

If they were “plants” trying to smear the Tea Party, I would agree. That’s something no-one should do. If they were actually getting out there, and exercising their own right to speech rather than letting the Tea Party own the commons, I would say it’s a good thing.

576 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:19am

re: #548 Killgore Trout

No, It’s a bogus made up story. Nobody in “infiltrating” the Tea Parties. That was another story hyped by dishonest bloggers and Fox news. Why do you people keep falling for this shit?

Ah, the recursion is now at false-flag false-flag operations; e.g. fake operations acting as a fake operation attempting to discredit a group by portraying them in a bad light.

577 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:08:33am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

The arrogance claim is steeped in racism. I can’t give these people the benefit of doubt.

I don’t agree, respectfully.

578 Joo-LiZ  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:11:15am

re: #562 Obdicut

Just to make the Saudi Arabia point more strongly:

We ship them billions of dollars worth of arms.

The Saudi government is closely tied to the a World Assembly of Muslim Youth, a militant, pro-Sharia, pro-conversion organization that funds terrorism.

The head of WAMY is Saleh al-Sheikh, who is in the Suadi government as the head of Islamic Affairs.

Is that group armed/arming itself, and not just arming itself, but arming itself within Saudi?

Saudi is a notorious exporter of Wahhabi ideology. But that is not the same an actively arming, well-trained guerrilla force with factions within the government and army.

579 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:17:22am

re: #578 Joo-LiZ

They provide the religious police for a lot of Islamic communities. They have a worldwide network, and funnel arms and money to terrorists.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. They’re terrorist-supporting assholes, and a Suadi government official is the head of the group.

580 simoom  Mon, Apr 12, 2010 10:39:48am

re: #453 avanti

Fox reports on Tea Party extremeness.

surprise./a>

That Fox article sort of relegates the nuts to the Tea Party’s fringe, but what makes it kind of great is how (intentionally I imagine) unselfaware the article is, as nearly every fringe belief described has been pushed by a major FNC personality.

FTA:

Though Obama is a Christian — and his Christian faith was a focal point of debate during the campaign-era controversy over his former pastor Jeremiah Wright — the allegations that the president is a secret Muslim persist years later.

During the campaign FNC was one of the main pushers of the fake Muslim madrassa story.

The charge of socialism has been a common theme at Tea Party gatherings — but some activists have gone beyond merely portraying Obama as a European-style, big-government liberal.

Some suggest Obama wants to keep Americans unemployed so that they become dependent on government-run programs. Lenin and Stalin have become catchwords to describe Obama in the speeches denouncing his policies.

Going further, swastikas, as well as pictures of Obama’s face next to Adolf Hitler’s, have appeared on signs at dozens of rallies blasting the president and the Democrat-controlled Congress.

Beck.

Other Tea Party members continue to question the president’s citizenship — a sign reading “Show Us Your Birth Certificate” popped up at a recent rally in Traverse City, Mich.

“What’s more disturbing is that he’s not answering them,” Tea Party member and conservative blogger Andrea Shay King said of the questions over Obama’s birthplace.

Hannity.

Questionable characterizations of the massive health care legislation have also resurfaced at Tea Party gatherings.

Ron Moore of Petoskey, Mich., said he stood firm in his belief that the Democrats’ goal was to implement “death panels” to decide who receives medical care and who does not.

“They’ve already started,” he said.

Palin.

One positive thing in the article does do though is that it compares objectionable Tea Party signs, in an attempt downplay them, to some of the nastier signs that were directed at President Bush. Since FNC spent an enormous amount of their airtime, over the last decade, broadcasting outrage about the latter, you’d think connecting the two should be a call for introspection on the network’s part.


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