Tonight’s cover from the Lizard Collection is issue #16 of Daredevil, published in May 1966, in which Marvel’s blind superhero Daredevil faces down a very upset Spider-Man in yet another case of mistaken identity (Spidey thinks DD’s a bad guy), and much to everyone’s surprise, wins.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:10:48pm |
Looks as good as the day it was printed. You're mom really did a great preservation job, Charles.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:12:20pm |
re: #2 JasonA
'Enter ... Spider-Man!'
Do I have to?
SMACK! Get your mind out of the gutter before I put the rest of you in there with it!
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bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:13:36pm |
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:13:59pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
SMACK! Get your mind out of the gutter before I put the rest of you in there with it!
It's just that kind of night.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:16:36pm |
He's got radioactive blood...
I used to love the cartoon show on Saturday mornings back in the day.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:18:24pm |
re: #6 Spare O'Lake
He's got radioactive blood...
I used to love the cartoon show on Saturday mornings back in the day.
Me too. Spiderman has been the star of more than one animated series run and they tended to be good.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:18:53pm |
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:18:57pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Except for that MTV one. Blech.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:19:10pm |
That's another great one.
You are blessed that your Mom saved these, or maybe just missed them.
I hope you're enjoying the sorting & grading of them.
And thinking of her.
And have fun planning on the cash for selling them, if that is what you choose to do.
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Batman Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:20:06pm |
Wow, he really is a daredevil. Look how freaking high they are, and he doesn't have flight or wall climbing and web technology.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:20:42pm |
re: #7 Dark_Falcon
Me too. Spiderman has been the star of more than one animated series run and they tended to be good.
Now I watch CNN or Fox - where the eff did I go wrong?
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:21:14pm |
re: #4 bagua
my landlord was deep into the Delta blues, and other styles for years...he was a friend of Robert Lockwood Jr....the other day we sat on the patio sipping tequila while he told me stories...whoa
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:21:35pm |
- Sylvester Weaver 1923-27
His first recording on Okeh Records, were the very first country-blues recordings and the first known recorded songs using the slide guitar style. Weaver died almost forgotten in 1960 at age 62
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:21:35pm |
One of the graphic novels I recommend to people who aren't into comics is Daredevil: Love and War.
You pretty much can't go wrong with any comic written by Frank Miller or Allan Moore.
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:23:39pm |
re: #15 negativ
You pretty much can't go wrong with any comic written by Frank Miller or Allan Moore.
Do not touch The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I recommend avoiding All-Star Batman as well, though for me it crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:24:39pm |
Robert Lockwood Jr....stepson of the great myth and legend, Robert Johnson
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:24:51pm |
re: #15 negativ
One of the graphic novels I recommend to people who aren't into comics is Daredevil: Love and War.
You pretty much can't go wrong with any comic written by Frank Miller or Allan Moore.
Alan Moore yes, (both V for Vendetta and Watchmen are very thought provoking reads, watchmen doubly so I had to read it one chapter at a time pause read the in between chapter bits, pause, read another chapter and so on just because it was such a strange interesting new world the characters were living in) but isn't Frank Miller all "whores whores whores whores whores whores"?
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:01pm |
re: #14 Bagua
[Video]- Sylvester Weaver 1923-27His first recording on Okeh Records, were the very first country-blues recordings and the first known recorded songs using the slide guitar style. Weaver died almost forgotten in 1960 at age 62
use of a slide goes back to at least the turn of the century....W. C. Handy saw a bum using a knife blade across the strings while waiting for a train in Miss. in 1902...first literary mention of a slide
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pharmmajor Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:25pm |
Damn Charles, but you have one impressive collection. The only really rare comic I have is Batman 171, the first Silver Age appearance of the Riddler.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:43pm |
re: #13 albusteve
my landlord was deep into the Delta blues, and other styles for years...he was a friend of Robert Lockwood Jr...the other day we sat on the patio sipping tequila while he told me stories...whoa
Wow! I'd like to have been sat on that patio.
- Robert Lockwood Jr
Robert Johnson lived with Lockwood's mother in Turkey Scratch Arkansas for 10 years off and on, teaching Robert who became known as "Robert Junior" as a result.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:29:45pm |
re: #14 Bagua
excellent recording...all the elements are there
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:30:47pm |
re: #16 JasonA
Do not touch The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I recommend avoiding All-Star Batman as well, though for me it crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory.
Also might I suggest anything by Warren Ellis, but Transmetropolitan in particular, its a remarkably thoughtful book centered around politics and a wonderfuly base anti-hero who basically Hunter S Thompson if he was alive in a semi-distopian future....
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pharmmajor Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:31:45pm |
re: #16 JasonA
Do not touch The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I recommend avoiding All-Star Batman as well, though for me it crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory.
The only way to go into DKSA and ASBAR is with one of Linkara's reviews.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:32:25pm |
re: #21 Bagua
Wow! I'd like to have been sat on that patio.
[Video]- Robert Lockwood JrRobert Johnson lived with Lockwood's mother in Turkey Scratch Arkansas for 10 years off and on, teaching Robert who became known as "Robert Junior" as a result.
we've probably read all the same books eh?....I'm not sure anybody knew Johnson as intimately as young Lockwood...and Lockwoods reputation for honesty and integrity was unparalleled....you could take his word for it
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:32:47pm |
re: #23 jamesfirecat
Also might I suggest anything by Warren Ellis, but Transmetropolitan in particular, its a remarkably thoughtful book centered around politics and a wonderfuly base anti-hero who basically Hunter S Thompson if he was alive in a semi-distopian future...
I can get behind Ellis, though I haven't read Transmetropolitan. Planetary is one the best series ever, I think.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:34:44pm |
re: #26 JasonA
I can get behind Ellis, though I haven't read Transmetropolitan. Planetary is one the best series ever, I think.
You should read Transmetropolitan, it has a pelthora of wonderfully quoteable lines.
LISTEN TO THE CHAIR LEG OF TRUTH!
Plus Spider Jerusalem is so badass even his (two headed) cat smokes!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:35:00pm |
This doesn't look good......
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
....racial disparities in education and employment have their origin in biological differences between the human races. Those differences are facts in the natural world, like the orbits of the planets. They can't be legislated out of existence; nor can they be "eliminated" by social or political action.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:36:39pm |
re: #16 JasonA
That bad, huh? I so dearly loved "The Dark Knight Returns". The idea of Bruce Wayne way past his prime, and far Too Old For This Shit, but still battling with his unhealthy obsession was very interesting to me. "Batman: Year One" and "The Dark Knight Returns" make near-perfect bookends for the Batman mythos, as far as I'm concerned.
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prairiefire Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:37:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:38:09pm |
re: #18 jamesfirecat
Alan Moore yes, (both V for Vendetta and Watchmen are very thought provoking reads, watchmen doubly so I had to read it one chapter at a time pause read the in between chapter bits, pause, read another chapter and so on just because it was such a strange interesting new world the characters were living in) but isn't Frank Miller all "whores whores whores whores whores whores"?
Well, the Queen of Sparta in 300 is not a whore and in fact refuses to have sex with Dominic West's character to gain advantage.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:38:54pm |
re: #19 albusteve
use of a slide goes back to at least the turn of the century...W. C. Handy saw a bum using a knife blade across the strings while waiting for a train in Miss. in 1902...first literary mention of a slide
Fascinating. Sylvester Weaver played slide using a knife as well. We tend to think of his songs as the start as no recordings predate him. Possibly originating in a one string African instrument attached to a gourd resonator, with the player plucking the string and a bone used to vary the pitch. A likely version of this was the Jitterbug used by black musicians around the turn of the century.
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:39:36pm |
re: #29 negativ
That bad, huh? I so dearly loved "The Dark Knight Returns". The idea of Bruce Wayne way past his prime, and far Too Old For This Shit, but still battling with his unhealthy obsession was very interesting to me. "Batman: Year One" and "The Dark Knight Returns" make near-perfect bookends for the Batman mythos, as far as I'm concerned.
This is true, but Frank Miller has... changed.
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avanti Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:39:55pm |
O.T. Lots of fussing about the Iphone upgrade. I'm not enough of a techie to understand the entire issue, but get the sense that Apple is trying to limit outside developers.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:39:55pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
This doesn't look good...
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
Derbyshire became a citizen of the US a few years ago (5, 6 in that neighborhood).
He may have always held these views, but for the life of me, I do not recall seeing him express them out loud until fairly recently, really, since he became a citizen.
I wonder if he kept these thoughts quiet so as not to harm his bid for citizenship, and now he feels quite free to spout them. It's appalling, and amazing and odd, to me, because he seems like an intelligent fellow otherwise.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:40:13pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
This doesn't look good...
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
That might be enough to earn him the heave-ho. He's said that before, but this one is too public to ignore.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:40:19pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
This doesn't look good...
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
Why did they ask him to speak, anyway? I don't get it.
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avanti Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:40:53pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:42:29pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
This doesn't look good...
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
I thought that "bell curve" nonsense was rendered inert years ago. Guess I was wrong.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:43:45pm |
re: #41 negativ
I thought that "bell curve" nonsense was rendered inert years ago. Guess I was wrong.
There are folks who won't stop believing it, and while they don't stop believing it, they can't stop trying to prove it.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:44:57pm |
re: #32 Bagua
Fascinating. Sylvester Weaver played slide using a knife as well. We tend to think of his songs as the start as no recordings predate him. Possibly originating in a one string African instrument attached to a gourd resonator, with the player plucking the string and a bone used to vary the pitch. A likely version of this was the Jitterbug used by black musicians around the turn of the century.
I think both Waters and BB king learned from the one string jitterbug....anyway, one fascinating aspect of the blues is that you can keep steeping back in time and find influences to the classic Delta thing...further and further back...but there were many bluesmen, never recorded and lost in time....the original ghostly, unnamed apostles who influenced Charley Patton, Robert Johnson and Son House
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:01pm |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
There are folks who won't stop believing it, and while they don't stop believing it, they can't stop trying to prove it.
The excerpt from the Buckley piece quoted at the bottom of the page is pretty damn unpleasant.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:34pm |
re: #43 albusteve
I think both Waters and BB king learned from the one string jitterbug...anyway, one fascinating aspect of the blues is that you can keep steeping back in time and find influences to the classic Delta thing...further and further back...but there were many bluesmen, never recorded and lost in time...the original ghostly, unnamed apostles who influenced Charley Patton, Robert Johnson and Son House
Oh Lord, the things a man with a time machine and some recording equipment could do there.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:45:59pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
The excerpt from the Buckley piece quoted at the bottom of the page is pretty damn unpleasant.
Buckley was quite imperfect in many aspects.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:46:28pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
The excerpt from the Buckley piece quoted at the bottom of the page is pretty damn unpleasant.
It is indeed, very harsh.
But if I read the article correctly, that piece was written in the very early years of NR.
I honestly don't know if Buckley's views changed over time; many people's views did.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:46:48pm |
re: #25 albusteve
we've probably read all the same books eh?...I'm not sure anybody knew Johnson as intimately as young Lockwood...and Lockwoods reputation for honesty and integrity was unparalleled...you could take his word for it
From Robert Lockwood, Jr's website
He learned the guitar, at age eleven, from Robert Johnson, the mysterious delta bluesman, who was living with his mother. From Johnson, Lockwood learned chords, timing, and stage presence. By the age of fifteen, Robert was playing professionally, often with Johnson; sometimes with Johnny Shines or Rice Miller, who would soon be calling himself Sonny Boy Williamson II.
They would play fish fries, juke joints, and street corners. Once Johnson played one side of the Sunflower River, while Lockwood manned the other bank. The people of Clarksville, Mississippi were milling around the bridge; they couldn’t tell which guitarist was Robert Johnson. Young Lockwood had learned Johnson’s techniques very well.
Robert Lockwood Jr. was 22 when Robert Johnson passed away in 1937.
It doesn't get better than this.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:46:53pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
The excerpt from the Buckley piece quoted at the bottom of the page is pretty damn unpleasant.
true, but Buckley did come around to a proper point of view regarding race, and Derbyshire has not.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:26pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
true, but Buckley did come around to a proper point of view regarding race, and Derbyshire has not.
That's what I thought, but I couldn't really say for certain.
I know recent writings didn't display that POV.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:36pm |
re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Lord, the things a man with a time machine and some recording equipment could do there.
I know I'm deep in....hahaha!....history/music/cultural anthropology...I have seen many of the second generation bluesmen....but what a time those earliest years must have been
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:48:55pm |
A little gem I found in the Kos comments. Female suffrage is dragging us down, apparently.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #52 JasonA
A little gem I found in the Kos comments. Female suffrage is dragging us down, apparently.
[Video]
They said it would, but did we listen? Nooooooo....
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Four More Tears Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:50:16pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:03pm |
Good night, hope you all have a most pleasant evening!
Flo - enjoy that storm, for yourself and on my behalf too, wouldja?
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:51:24pm |
re: #48 Bagua
Robert Lockwood Jr. was 22 when Robert Johnson passed away in 1937.
[Video]
- Robert Lockwood, Jr. 1941It doesn't get better than this.
thanks, I've read tons of that stuff...if I were to recommend any books it would definately be Robert Palmers 'Deep Blues', the most highly acclaimed work and also Barlows 'Looking Up At Down'....those two guys have all of it covered
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:54:13pm |
re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh Lord, the things a man with a time machine and some recording equipment could do there.
My thoughts exactly reading Abusteve's post... oh to be a time traveller, or to discover a treasure chest of unknown recordings, would be worth more than any gold.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:54:58pm |
re: #50 reine.de.tout
That's what I thought, but I couldn't really say for certain.
I know recent writings didn't display that POV.
His view were also not considered badly out-of-line at the time. And if I'm to be honest, had I lived at that time I would not have been a supporter of integration myself. The reason would have been my innate love of order and decided preference for sticking with the familiar. That's not to say I have been comparing black people to monkeys, since that was the kind of filth I would not do, but I likely would have been inclined to Buckley's point of view at that time.
Thankfully, i was born when and where I was and did not start out with that toxic view of "the way things are".
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:55:57pm |
re: #52 JasonA
A little gem I found in the Kos comments. Female suffrage is dragging us down, apparently.
[Video]
To say that women shouldn't vote because by and large they don't vote your way on average is totalitarian type thinking...
By the way thanks for ruining my enjoyment of British accents jerk!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:06pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
The excerpt from the Buckley piece quoted at the bottom of the page is pretty damn unpleasant.
The book "The Bell Curve" which re-stirred that particular barrel of bullshit explicitly acknowledges the Pioneer Fund, which has direct and indirect links to prominent holocaust denialists.
Michael Shermer's excellent "Why People Believe Weird Things" addresses it in detail.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:56:36pm |
re: #56 albusteve
Cheers for that, those two are going on my reading list. I'd like to learn more about the history and lives of the great blues-men who have left us this priceless legacy.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:57:23pm |
re: #57 Bagua
My thoughts exactly reading Abusteve's post... oh to be a time traveller, or to discover a treasure chest of unknown recordings, would be worth more than any gold.
[Video]
- Robert Lockwood, Jr. 1941
I have a treasure chest of all that stuff on cassette, live performances, obscure radio stuff, studio stuff from Bluebird etc...it was a gift, about 30 full tapes
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:57:30pm |
re: #58 Dark_Falcon
His view were also not considered badly out-of-line at the time. And if I'm to be honest, had I lived at that time I would not have been a supporter of integration myself. The reason would have been my innate love of order and decided preference for sticking with the familiar. That's not to say I have been comparing black people to monkeys, since that was the kind of filth I would not do, but I likely would have been inclined to Buckley's point of view at that time.
Thankfully, i was born when and where I was and did not start out with that toxic view of "the way things are".
That's something for us all to be grateful for. So few people are born with the ability to see beyond the common morality of their day. We stand on the shoulders of the people who sought after justice and truth for us.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:00:04pm |
re: #55 reine.de.tout
Good night, hope you all have a most pleasant evening!
Flo - enjoy that storm, for yourself and on my behalf too, wouldja?
I'm going to wake up at 7, and see the rain, and stay in bed until it stops.
I like laying in a warm bed, listening to the rain.
It's kind of uncommon here.
And a REALLY good excuse to stay in bed.
Feel better, Reine.
Sleep tight & well.
{{Reine}}
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:00:58pm |
re: #62 albusteve
I have a treasure chest of all that stuff on cassette, live performances, obscure radio stuff, studio stuff from Bluebird etc...it was a gift, about 30 full tapes
Bootlegs. Cool!
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:04:08pm |
re: #62 albusteve
I have a treasure chest of all that stuff on cassette, live performances, obscure radio stuff, studio stuff from Bluebird etc...it was a gift, about 30 full tapes
Gosh... my mind is spinning, we have to get that on CD someday soon. What an amazing gift.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:05:17pm |
Namaste, y'all
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:06:03pm |
re: #61 Bagua
Cheers for that, those two are going on my reading list. I'd like to learn more about the history and lives of the great blues-men who have left us this priceless legacy.
Palmers work is just a magnificent book...no shit, the bible...I don't have a library just the best books on the subject....'Delta Blues' by Ted Gioia is another excellent read....everything you read elsewhere is from these books...do you know who Allen Lomax is?....my landlord was a friend of he and his wife as well...man, I only met this guy a few years ago and I'm stunned at his younger years, all the artists he knew...he himself is an artist but I don't want to broadcast his name here
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:08:16pm |
re: #65 Floral Giraffe
Bootlegs. Cool!
not all of them...altho I cannot say for certain if recording from a radio is a boot...I don't think so....there are retailers who will sell you anything ever recorded, and now so much is just public domain
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b_sharp Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:09:13pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
This doesn't look good...
John Derbyshire tells black law students they are inferior
The man is an idiot.
There was no reproductive isolation which is borne out by genetic analysis.
"In other words, all living humans' female line ancestry trace back to a single female (Mitochondrial Eve) at around 140,000 years ago. Via the male line, all humans can trace their ancestry back to a single male (Y-chromosomal Adam) at around 60,000 to 90,000 years ago.[2]"
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:10:00pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs or kitties bite!
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:10:06pm |
re: #66 Bagua
sometime I'll dig them out and get with you....the tapes are in MI and I'm in NM...but I'm going up there in a week or so and I'll try to remember to bring them back with me...it's been awhile
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:11:17pm |
re: #72 albusteve
Write it on the palm of your hand.
///
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Boogberg Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:12:51pm |
re: #62 albusteve
I have a treasure chest of all that stuff on cassette, live performances, obscure radio stuff, studio stuff from Bluebird etc...it was a gift, about 30 full tapes
I would digitize that stuff immediately. The only thing worse than a compact cassette tape is an 8 track cassette. Vinyl records are the winner of the three.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:15:02pm |
re: #70 b_sharp
That's the thing: He's not an idiot. If you'd read his columns for NRO, you'd see the kind of math problems he comes up with. Those are not the work of an idiot. A more likely explanation is someone who, while not a hater, simply does not like black people very much and wants a "scientific" explanation that satisfies his prejudice.
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:16:28pm |
Here's Derbyshire's own column about the speech in NRO
My ten-minute address consisted of (a) five minutes of unfiltered race realism, right between the eyes, followed by (b) a plea to turn to good old American individualism and stop obsessing about group outcomes.
There's more, he complains about the moderator etc. etc.NRO
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:16:39pm |
re: #74 Boogberg
I would digitize that stuff immediately. The only thing worse than a compact cassette tape is an 8 track cassette. Vinyl records are the winner of the three.
I know it...powders and coating deteriorate...I gotta get off my ass and figure it out...I have a friend with like 5000 records and tapes and CDs...he put all of it on a hard drive...has a indexed catalog and boom!....you want it, you got it instantly
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Stanghazi Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:18:38pm |
Keep talking music folks - racists bum me out.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:19:47pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
That's the thing: He's not an idiot. If you'd read his columns for NRO, you'd see the kind of math problems he comes up with. Those are not the work of an idiot. A more likely explanation is someone who, while not a hater, simply does not like black people very much and wants a "scientific" explanation that satisfies his prejudice.
Umm...
I think you're going a little Glen Beck on us there... either that or I don't understand the difference between "a hater" and someone "who doesn't like black people very much"...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:20:02pm |
re: #76 Stanley Sea
Here's Derbyshire's own column about the speech in NRO
There's more, he complains about the moderator etc. etc.NRO
I'm fine with the "stop obsessing about group outcomes", but when he get's into genetic differences based on race he loses me entirely. The case for that is bad, and running with that like he does speaks to a bad mindset.
BBL
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:21:25pm |
Yeah!
Sleepy time for me.
I do hope we get rain.
Drip drip drip.
And, an EXCELLENT excuse to sleep in!
Good night all.
Stealing from Kilgore,
Namaste.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:21:35pm |
Folks, please buy Israeli stuff from the Zionist Mall. I have to pay for all the food and stuff that I bought for this year's family celebration at my house.
Yes, it was a great week being with my kids and grandkids, but they ate tons.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:21:59pm |
re: #72 albusteve
sometime I'll dig them out and get with you...the tapes are in MI and I'm in NM...but I'm going up there in a week or so and I'll try to remember to bring them back with me...it's been awhile
Yep, I'll ride in the name of that mission, I have all the necessary technology. Something to live for, as they say.
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b_sharp Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:25:20pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
That's the thing: He's not an idiot. If you'd read his columns for NRO, you'd see the kind of math problems he comes up with. Those are not the work of an idiot. A more likely explanation is someone who, while not a hater, simply does not like black people very much and wants a "scientific" explanation that satisfies his prejudice.
This:
"Our species separated into two parts 50, 60, or 70 thousand years ago, depending on which paleoanthropologist you ask. One part remained in Africa, the ancestral homeland. The other crossed into Southwest Asia, then split, and re-split, and re-split, until there were human populations living in near-total reproductive isolation from each other in all parts of the world. This went on for hundreds of generations, causing the divergences we see today. "
makes him an idiot. That he would repeat something he obviously did no research beyond the crap Rushton and his cronies spew makes him an fool.
I've been fighting racism since I was 12 years old, living in a community where aboriginals were the 'savages' of choice. I didn't like it then, I hate it now.
I started to read 'The Bell Curve' several years ago and within 100 pages found a bucket full of holes in their hypotheses. I then threw up.
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Boogberg Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:28:27pm |
re: #77 albusteve
I know it...powders and coating deteriorate...I gotta get off my ass and figure it out...I have a friend with like 5000 records and tapes and CDs...he put all of it on a hard drive...has a indexed catalog and boom!...you want it, you got it instantly
Yeah, especially cassettes. The first thing to fall off on old cassettes is usually the pressure pad. Watch for that when you decide to transfer. A cassette without a pressure pad sounds like shit.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:30:35pm |
re: #82 Alouette
I'll check it out Alouette. I've shopped at Israel-catalog.com and Judaicaweb.com before for pro-Israel T-shirts. Holding an Israeli or American flag plus a t-shirt really annoys the other side at large rallies.
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albusteve Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:31:34pm |
re: #83 Bagua
Yep, I'll ride in the name of that mission, I have all the necessary technology. Something to live for, as they say.
[Video]
- Mott Willis
I'll find them and see what I have...pick up a cassette player and go from there
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:33:31pm |
re: #88 albusteve
Sleep well gurl-friend.
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Bagua Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:33:36pm |
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Political Atheist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:36:21pm |
My lovely hometown...Politics of power as in electric power
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:36:27pm |
re: #86 eclectic infidel
I'll check it out Alouette. I've shopped at Israel-catalog.com and Judaicaweb.com before for pro-Israel T-shirts. Holding an Israeli or American flag plus a t-shirt really annoys the other side at large rallies.
We partner with Judaica Web Store and Israel-Catalog and other Israeli vendors to provide the widest selection for Israeli products online.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:44:13pm |
re: #84 b_sharp
He didn't do research because his prejudice was satisfied. He was ultimately just looking for something to reaffirm what he was already feeling. It's an incurious way of viewing an issue (and quite toxic when the issue is race) but it is sadly not uncommon.
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Boogberg Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:44:58pm |
re: #91 Rightwingconspirator
My lovely hometown...Politics of power as in electric power
50 grand? Out of a $6 BILLION budget?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:46:57pm |
re: #82 Alouette
Folks, please buy Israeli stuff from the Zionist Mall. I have to pay for all the food and stuff that I bought for this year's family celebration at my house.
Yes, it was a great week being with my kids and grandkids, but they ate tons.
How does that work? I've started browsing kipot and they seem to go to other web pages. If I order from there, do you still get paid?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:49:29pm |
re: #95 LudwigVanQuixote
How does that work? I've started browsing kipot and they seem to go to other web pages. If I order from there, do you still get paid?
Hello, Ludwig. Would you care to take your troll hammer to John Derbyshire's nasty little bit of "scientific" racism?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:56:36pm |
OH dear... where is this bit of uncool? I need to look at it first.
And Alouette, browsing your pages, I found the coolest Talit ever!
I will be buying one shortly after I get paid again :).
[Link: www.ajudaica.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:57:31pm |
PIMF
The where is the uncool is a response to DF.
The talit is beautiful!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:59:44pm |
re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF
The where is the uncool is a response to DF.
The talit is beautiful!
Check Killgore's #28?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:00:07pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:03:19pm |
Ahoy, polloi!
Just back from pub with Jimmah. And we're drunk. And about to ingest some illegal substances and watch MST3K.
What's new with our favourite online community? Fill me in!
PS DF, did I see the other day that you got a new job? I hope so!
love,
iceweasel
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:06:44pm |
re: #101 iceweasel
Ahoy, polloi!
Just back from pub with Jimmah. And we're drunk. And about to ingest some illegal substances and watch MST3K.
What's new with our favourite online community? Fill me in!PS DF, did I see the other day that you got a new job? I hope so!
love,
iceweasel
No, that fell through. The pay structure for the job was not what they had told me in the interview. That's something of a dealbreaker, as was an ad they ran that I found that tried to make them look like they were working with the government when they were not. I'm not going to work for a firm that has any honesty problems.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:09:10pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
No, that fell through. The pay structure for the job was not what they had told me in the interview. That's something of a dealbreaker, as was an ad they ran that I found that tried to make them look like they were working with the government when they were not. I'm not going to work for a firm that has any honesty problems.
Gah. That sucks but you absolutely did the right thing. If they'll lie to you in the hiring process you know there are more and worse lies you would have found out later-- like benefits, vacation, and more. Plus if they treat their own employees unethically who knows how they treat competition or even clients.
Sorry to hear that; I know you'll find something soon-- you'd be an asset to anyone.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:10:58pm |
re: #101 iceweasel
Ahoy, polloi!
Just back from pub with Jimmah. And we're drunk. And about to ingest some illegal substances and watch MST3K.
What's new with our favourite online community? Fill me in!PS DF, did I see the other day that you got a new job? I hope so!
love,
iceweasel
I'm envious that you have a pub nearby that you can stumble home to, after imbibing the nectar of the G-ds. Have a lovely time you two cool cats.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:14:30pm |
re: #103 iceweasel
Gah. That sucks but you absolutely did the right thing. If they'll lie to you in the hiring process you know there are more and worse lies you would have found out later-- like benefits, vacation, and more. Plus if they treat their own employees unethically who knows how they treat competition or even clients.
Sorry to hear that; I know you'll find something soon-- you'd be an asset to anyone.
I've got two interview already lined up this week. But are for the kind of tech sales I excel in. The second one is a job I've had to work for weeks just to get a sit down. I'm really looking forward to that interview, since that inside sales job would be ideal for me.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:16:04pm |
re: #104 eclectic infidel
I'm envious that you have a pub nearby that you can stumble home to, after imbibing the nectar of the G-ds. Have a lovely time you two cool cats.
Heck, we have tons. We're still in NYC. Let's just say that I have like 20 neighbourhood pubs that are within a ten minute walk. (Actually the number might be higher.--pretty sure it is).
We're storing it up for when we return to the seekrit Scottish lair, where we have like three and they're not walkable. :(
Actually, I have a funny story about that. Jimmah pointed out a pub to me near the seekrit lair and warned me: "Never go in there!" I laughed, because it looks exactly like the places I prefer in manhattan-- dives, basically.
Then later we had a cab driver who sternly admonished me-- Whatever you do, don't go to that pub.
Scary folks, these Scots. And I don't mean the food. /
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:18:09pm |
re: #105 Dark_Falcon
I've got two interviews already lined up this week. Both are for the kind of tech sales I excel in. The second one is a job I've had to work for weeks just to get a sit down. I'm really looking forward to that interview, since that inside sales job would be ideal for me.
PIMF
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Lidane Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:21:42pm |
re: #16 JasonA
Do not touch The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I recommend avoiding All-Star Batman as well, though for me it crosses over into "so bad it's good" territory.
The recent All-Star Superman, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, however, are definitely worth reading. Together, they tell an amazing story. Probably one of the best Superman stories I've ever read.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:23:44pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Check Killgore's #28?
OH dear G-d. I have met my share of really brilliant people from all walks of life and from all ethnic backgrounds. Scientific racism always comes down to pure bunkum.
There are three reasons for that.
1. There is no such thing as an accurate IQ test, and what exactly an IQ test measures is very unclear. A smart kid can have a bad day - or frankly be too smart for a poorly written question and then choose wrongly. Not to call myself a genius, but I had a personal experience with that. When I was a child, (5) I was given an IQ test and the questioner asked me what a diamond was. Dutifully remembering a conversation I had with my mother, when I had asked about her engagement ring, I told the questioner about carbon getting mashed into a crystal under tremendous pressure. The test giver wanted to hear that it was a shape, like a square rotated through 45 degrees. I was marked off.
There can be many other reasons that the test can be counter indicative. My favorite example is Richard Feynman who only scored a 132. While 132 is very "respectable" assuming the test really meant anything, there are a substantial number of people who have scored much higher. Yet, there was only one Feynman. The idea that the local mensa guy/ jeopardy champ is not just the equal of, but even superior to Feynman is ludicrous.
Of course, this goes the other way too. The IQ test really only tests for certain types of activities, many of which can be improved with practice. A relatively dumb kid could get really good at doing those pattern blocks if he or she practiced them or was exposed to something similar to them in childhood. Someone starting fresh, who had never seen anything like that would be at a disadvantage.
So in short, even if there were statistically meaningful trends between races in IQ, IQ itself is an almost meaningless concept.
2. IQ tests are very language and culture biased. IF your parents speak a certain way, you do better. This is a giant confounding factor that has yet to be removed.
3. Whatever raw intelligence is, it is not something that is even remotely limited to one race. It is clear from history that the Egyptians, who had an entirely black dynasty were far from unadvanced. What one finds in terms of outputs of a culture - and then deems as valuable, are more about the subjectivity of the evaluator than the complexity or intellectualism of the culture under question. So yeah a white guy with a bias towards Europe will go and talk about how much more advanced his culture is than some other. He automatically assumes that Shakespeare is better than say the Rig Veda.
This is subjective obviously and not objective.
More importantly, though is the aspect of nurture and oppurtunity. If you have a socio-economic framework that nurtures genius and allows it an outlet, you get more geniuses as a culture. If you are however forced to worry about subsistence on a daily basis, you simply do not have the time to spend years learning to be a Feynman or a Michaelangelo or a Beethoven. Had any of those men been born to a poor Welsh coal miner in the early 18th century, they would have had deep thoughts in the mines, that were never refined through greater education and practice, and no one would have heard of them. On the other hand, if you have the raw talent AND you have the social structure in place and family in place that encourages the development of that talent you might see something.
It is because of this that you see so many fewer famous third world geniuses. It is not that those folks aren't smart. It is that they are poor and when you have to work a grueling 18 hour day in the hopes of getting enough to eat, you simply don't have time for algebra.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:29:13pm |
re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey Ice! How are you honey!
Great, baby! What's happening? Any notable fights, trolls, bannings, etc.?
Just looked at the tallit you're going to buy-- Jimmah and I like it!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:33:00pm |
re: #111 iceweasel
Great, baby! What's happening? Any notable fights, trolls, bannings, etc.?
Just looked at the tallit you're going to buy-- Jimmah and I like it!
Oh you missed a cross blog spat with the village last night. Rodent has threatened to find me and put me in the hospital. They have been whining about me all day.
I linked a bunch of information about him that he put up on the web and let him know that I and the police would know exactly who to look for if he tried anything. His buddies told him to chill.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:33:18pm |
re: #111 iceweasel
Great, baby! What's happening? Any notable fights, trolls, bannings, etc.?
Just looked at the tallit you're going to buy-- Jimmah and I like it!
Gegenrik got the boot last week. Charles saw his BS first hand and told him to stop or lose his account. The troll dared Charles to ban him and was immediately hit with the ban hammer.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:34:03pm |
re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote
BTW, there was an article years ago in the New Yorker IIRC that was about a study of people who scored extremely high on IQ tests. A large percentage of them (as in, a majority of their subjects) were underachievers. Not underachieving simply in re: what the IQ test would have predicted, but underachievers compared to brothers and sisters with lower scores. There was always evidence to suggest from the beginning of the test that it didn't track with, correlate with, or predict achievement.
The guy working the night shift at the 7-11 might well have a 167 IQ, is what I'm saying. Some of these people in the study had scores like that and jobs like that.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:34:09pm |
re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote
I notice you had a little confrontation with the simian faced latin king wannabe Saturday night and the little bugger started to threaten you.
You mustn't be trying hard enough because he hasn't threatened gun-play or to have his Latin King friends to go after you and your family.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:36:17pm |
re: #115 Reginald Perrin
I notice you had a little confrontation with the simian faced latin king wannabe Saturday night and the little bugger started to threaten you.
You mustn't be trying hard enough because he hasn't threatened gun-play or to have his Latin King friends to go after you and your family.
He did actually. Like I am scared of him. But I also had some words for really the entire cesspool over there.
I am so sick of the screen berets.
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Lidane Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:37:57pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
The troll dared Charles to ban him and was immediately hit with the ban hammer.
It never fails to make me laugh when trolls and other idiots dare the owner of a blog to ban them. It's such an incredibly stupid thing to do.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:37:57pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
Gegenrik got the boot last week. Charles saw his BS first hand and told him to stop or lose his account. The troll dared Charles to ban him and was immediately hit with the ban hammer.
Good news. He was a tool and a troll.
re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh you missed a cross blog spat with the village last night. Rodent has threatened to find me and put me in the hospital. They have been whining about me all day.
I linked a bunch of information about him that he put up on the web and let him know that I and the police would know exactly who to look for if he tried anything. His buddies told him to chill.
yikes-- sorry to hear that, but as you know the Village of the Banned couldn't find their own ass even with your foot up it. They're a bunch of drunken Screen Berets. Mock them, I say!
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Obdicut Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:38:53pm |
re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote
My friend Jocoby is much smarter than I, by my judgement. My friend Jocoby is a 9/11 truther.
Intelligence is not omniscience, nor is it wisdom. D&D was more accurate than it's given credit for.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:42:00pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
My friend Jocoby is much smarter than I, by my judgement. My friend Jocoby is a 9/11 truther.
Intelligence is not omniscience, nor is it wisdom. D&D was more accurate than it's given credit for.
First off, only the second edition rules... Though the D-20 3rd edition is acceptable.
Second, exactly what is meant by intelligent is a very complicated and gestalt kind of thing.
I can say that I have met true geniuses. It seems to me, that the mark of them is that in the time it takes a normal person to have one really good thought, they have had ten and three to five of them were much better.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:42:46pm |
I'm not getting into the blog skirmish from last night, not emotionally anyway. I played a role in it, but I stopped when things started to get their most heated. I'm not anxious to try real-world conclusions with anyone, so I backed off.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:43:05pm |
re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote
Don't worry, he is all talk and no action, otherwise I would have been dead a couple years ago. I went as far as offering to fly down to Tampa and meet him in person and the silly little man backed out . It is all documented online and it's been used to shame the silly little troll.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:44:28pm |
re: #122 Reginald Perrin
Don't worry, he is all talk and no action, otherwise I would have been dead a couple years ago. I went as far as offering to fly down to Tampa and meet him in person and the silly little man backed out . It is all documented online and it's been used to shame the silly little troll.
I am not worried.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:44:29pm |
Oh crap-- Jimmah just reminded me. What's the word from Greater Wingnuttia about Britain? Specifically the shoe-throwing Muslims? (Eddie Murphy ref there people). Met allows Islamic protesters to throw shoes
I fully expect the Wingnut Wave to be all over that, and the shrieking harpy and others to lose it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:45:20pm |
re: #124 iceweasel
Oh crap-- Jimmah just reminded me. What's the word from Greater Wingnuttia about Britain? Specifically the shoe-throwing Muslims? (Eddie Murphy ref there people). Met allows Islamic protesters to throw shoes
[Video]I fully expect the Wingnut Wave to be all over that, and the shrieking harpy and others to lose it.
Link didn't work, Ice.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:45:57pm |
re: #106 iceweasel
Actually, I have a funny story about that. Jimmah pointed out a pub to me near the seekrit lair and warned me: "Never go in there!" I laughed, because it looks exactly like the places I prefer in manhattan-- dives, basically.
Then later we had a cab driver who sternly admonished me-- Whatever you do, don't go to that pub.
Scary folks, these Scots. And I don't mean the food. /
I take it that particular pub isn't safe for a woman on her own, or does he not want you to get 'hit on' in his absence?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:46:28pm |
re: #124 iceweasel
Oh crap-- Jimmah just reminded me. What's the word from Greater Wingnuttia about Britain? Specifically the shoe-throwing Muslims? (Eddie Murphy ref there people). Met allows Islamic protesters to throw shoes
[Video]
I fully expect the Wingnut Wave to be all over that, and the shrieking harpy and others to lose it.
Actually Ice, this is crap.
I am sorry, if you live in a civilized nation and you move there, you accept those parts of the social contract that apply to your public conduct. This really is a case of utter dhimmitude on the part of a castrated England.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:47:10pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
I'm not getting into the blog skirmish from last night, not emotionally anyway. I played a role in it, but I stopped when things started to get their most heated. I'm not anxious to try real-world conclusions with anyone, so I backed off.
Jimmah remarks to me, "All mouth and no trousers, do you have that phrase?"
Someone who's all talk and no balls, basically. That's them.
As you know, DF, I completely agree with you and the best policy in my opinion is to ignore them entirely. The only joy in their life is being mentioned here.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:47:49pm |
re: #106 iceweasel
Heck, we have tons. We're still in NYC. Let's just say that I have like 20 neighbourhood pubs that are within a ten minute walk. (Actually the number might be higher.--pretty sure it is).
We're storing it up for when we return to the seekrit Scottish lair, where we have like three and they're not walkable. :(
Actually, I have a funny story about that. Jimmah pointed out a pub to me near the seekrit lair and warned me: "Never go in there!" I laughed, because it looks exactly like the places I prefer in manhattan-- dives, basically.
Then later we had a cab driver who sternly admonished me-- Whatever you do, don't go to that pub.
Scary folks, these Scots. And I don't mean the food. /
OK so what was so bad about the pub?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:48:32pm |
re: #128 iceweasel
Jimmah remarks to me, "All mouth and no trousers, do you have that phrase?"
Someone who's all talk and no balls, basically. That's them.
As you know, DF, I completely agree with you and the best policy in my opinion is to ignore them entirely. The only joy in their life is being mentioned here.
Not the way I mentioned them ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:49:37pm |
re: #127 LudwigVanQuixote
Actually Ice, this is crap.
I am sorry, if you live in a civilized nation and you move there, you accept those parts of the social contract that apply to your public conduct. This really is a case of utter dhimmitude on the part of a castrated England.
I'd like to be able to read the article before I comment on England's balls or lack thereof.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:50:33pm |
re: #126 eclectic infidel
I take it that particular pub isn't safe for a woman on her own, or does he not want you to get 'hit on' in his absence?
No, they have murders there on a regular basis.
I checked around a bit and it's seriously dodgy. Bit of a culture shock for me in many ways. I'm used to thinking of where I'm from as pretty tough.
Scotland is a whole 'nother order of rough. Some bits, anyway.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:51:30pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd like to be able to read the article before I comment on England's balls or lack thereof.
I read the article. Feel free to disagree with me. I will still love you anyway. However, your cultural rights as a member of a culture end when you start impinging on the rights or safety of others.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:53:00pm |
re: #132 iceweasel
No, they have murders there on a regular basis.
I checked around a bit and it's seriously dodgy. Bit of a culture shock for me in many ways. I'm used to thinking of where I'm from as pretty tough.
Scotland is a whole 'nother order of rough. Some bits, anyway.
The tough tough pub yeah. Europeans really don't fuck around when they talk extremes.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:53:47pm |
re: #132 iceweasel
No, they have murders there on a regular basis.
I checked around a bit and it's seriously dodgy. Bit of a culture shock for me in many ways. I'm used to thinking of where I'm from as pretty tough.
Scotland is a whole 'nother order of rough. Some bits, anyway.
Best to avoid it then ice. Now I gotta ask, what's your poison?
If it's beer - what label do you like?
If it's liquor - what kind?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:55:42pm |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
I read the article. Feel free to disagree with me. I will still love you anyway. However, your cultural rights as a member of a culture end when you start impinging on the rights or safety of others.
Yeah, I disagree with you on that article. You also have to read the entire article before you can find out how misleading the headline is (I'm sure you did, of course.)
The Times appears to be pandering to the not-unsizeable Muslim-hating contingent. (Bear in mind too that the UK largely reserves its worst bigotry and racism for 'Pakis'-- India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and anyone vaguely 'Arab' looking. That was true long before 9-11 or 7-7-- it's just that it got worse after.)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:55:42pm |
re: #128 iceweasel
Jimmah remarks to me, "All mouth and no trousers, do you have that phrase?"
Someone who's all talk and no balls, basically. That's them.
As you know, DF, I completely agree with you and the best policy in my opinion is to ignore them entirely. The only joy in their life is being mentioned here.
I'm not going to ignore them, but I'm going to fling insults unless I'm insulted directly. I'm going to mostly just observe and report.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:58:14pm |
re: #135 eclectic infidel
Best to avoid it then ice. Now I gotta ask, what's your poison?
If it's beer - what label do you like?
If it's liquor - what kind?
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker! (dorothy parker)
Jimmah and I are adrinking Stella tonight! What's your poison?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 10:59:46pm |
OK, now I've read the article, although I still don't feel as though I understand precisely what the hell is going on.
I do, however, have a bad feeling that English soccer hooligans have been given a new idea.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:01:36pm |
re: #138 iceweasel
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker!
That was written by Ogden Nash, not Dorothy Parker
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:03:49pm |
re: #140 Reginald Perrin
That was written by Ogden Nash, not Dorothy Parker
True, but Parker wrote:
I wish I could drink like a lady,
I can take one or two at the most,
Three and I'm under the table,
Four and I'm under the host.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:05:02pm |
re: #140 Reginald Perrin
That was written by Ogden Nash, not Dorothy Parker
Goddamn, you're right! Cheers!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:06:16pm |
Jimmah demands MSTK. Must go!
Have fun everyone! Be well. DF, good luck!
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:06:16pm |
re: #138 iceweasel
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker! (dorothy parker)
Jimmah and I are adrinking Stella tonight! What's your poison?
Liquor: scotch; if it's single, I like it neat; if blended, over ice.
Fav blended scotch: Grants
Fav single malt scotch: Lismore
Beer: big fan of lagers - so I like both Stella and Heineken
I also like: Red Tail Ale (Mendocino brewing co - Hopland, California) & Lagunita IPA (Lagunita brewing - Petaluma, California)
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:06:59pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 11, 2010 11:13:34pm |
re: #136 iceweasel
Yeah, I disagree with you on that article. You also have to read the entire article before you can find out how misleading the headline is (I'm sure you did, of course.)
The Times appears to be pandering to the not-unsizeable Muslim-hating contingent. (Bear in mind too that the UK largely reserves its worst bigotry and racism for 'Pakis'-- India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and anyone vaguely 'Arab' looking. That was true long before 9-11 or 7-7-- it's just that it got worse after.)
NO you misunderstand me.
My standard is: your cultural rights as a member of a sub-culture end when you start impinging on the rights or safety of others.
Unless the article is completely false, the police are going to allow a mob that is protesting, i.e. already pissed off, to throw things. This is a public safety hazard.
It violates my standard.
Now as to the racism in England towards Pakistanis, I of course do not condone that. However, there is the other side to that where you really do have a different socio-economic and religious situation with British and European Muslims as opposed to American ones. There is a much different mix of educated and not so educated, non-violent - and OK with violence there then there is here in the US. That is just the way it is. While I fully agree that open bigotry and racism against various Muslim groups is more prevalent there than here from the bottom of Brit society, there is also much more tolerance of radical preachers and radical groups from the British top.
The people who would organize any Muslim protest there that felt the need to throw shoes, are generally not the nicest people and the people who listen to them are not the most even tempered. It ias public safety hazard at best and courting major escalation at worst, and yes it was done out of cowardice on the part of the British leadership.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:04:16am |
re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote
NO you misunderstand me.
My standard is: your cultural rights as a member of a sub-culture end when you start impinging on the rights or safety of others.
That's why I said the article, especially the headline, is misleading.
Your standard isn't violated.
Buried in the article is an admission that the Met first told the police about their stance on showthrowing in 2008, after that guy pitched his shoe at Bush.
Their policy is that throwing shoes is, in itself, a permissible means of protest. We're not talking about throwing them through windows or into people-- purely the act of throwing that particular object, a shoe, at say a sign or picture, or into a pile in front of the US Embassy in Edinburgh, or into a pile in front of 10 Downing.
The whole point is to recognise it has a place in that culture as a nonviolent form of expression. Responding to it like people throwing bottles is incorrect.
Compare: burning the US flag, in the US, by a citizen, is similarly recognised as a permissible and NONVIOLENT form of protest-- non violent in the sense that it's not regarded as an incitement to violence or to overthrow the gov't.
It's a form of speech, it's not hate speech, and thus protected.
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Four More Tears Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:15:45am |
re: #148 iceweasel
Dozens of ski-boots and clogs were also hurled at the US consulate in Edinburgh in a related protest, in which three policemen sustained minor injuries.
I wish they gave more details about that, like whether or not the shoe-throwing was related to the injuries.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Apr 12, 2010 12:28:20am |
re: #119 Obdicut
My friend Jocoby is much smarter than I, by my judgement. My friend Jocoby is a 9/11 truther.
Intelligence is not omniscience, nor is it wisdom. D&D was more accurate than it's given credit for.
One of my best friends is a truther, she's one of the best, most talented artists I've ever met in my life. She's just....bent towards conspiracy theories.
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leprechaun Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:23:02am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Apr 12, 2010 11:50:02am |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, now I've read the article, although I still don't feel as though I understand precisely what the hell is going on.
I do, however, have a bad feeling that English soccer hooligans have been given a new idea.
The article went out of it's way to not define 'ritual shoe-throwing'. If the reader was left with the impression that Britain just gave protesting muslims the green light to chuck shoes at people and property, then the piece did its job.
For a fuller account of Britain's inexorable slide down the slippery slope to 'dhimmitude', see Melanie Phillips in the Daily Mail Fail this week.
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