Bin Laden’s Son Hears Dad’s Voice, Is Hospitalized

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Bin Laden’s Son Is Hospitalized After He Hears His Father’s Voice.

Omar Bin Laden, the fourth-born son of Osama Bin Laden, has hospitalized and treated for schizophrenia after hearing his father’s voice in his head.

“It’s true that he was put on medication but released himself early,” said a spokesman for Zeina Al Sabah, Omar’s wife. The spokesman confirmed that Omar had bipolar disorder and was on anti-depressants.

Months before, Zeina bin Laden had said her husband’s whole family was “psychologically broken,” and that she had found it “very, very difficult” adapting to life in the first family of terrorism.

The two have split over his condition. “I just can’t cope with this anymore. I love Omar with all my heart, but I’ve asked him for a divorce,” she told London’s Daily Mail.

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885 comments
1 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:30:31pm

Schizophrenia is a terrible disease. Hearing his father in his head? Well we know the hell on earth his father hers in his head. I have o idea if this guy is a jihadi or a just a sick son.

2 freetoken  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:30:33pm

Is this where I should insert some snarky comment about Osama Bin Laden being inside lots of peoples' heads?

3 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:30:58pm

and many died cause they didn't listen. Sorry, I am not in a sympathetic mood.

4 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:31:28pm

The question is, what was his daddy telling him? This may be a matter for MI5.

Months before, Zeina bin Laden had said her husband's whole family was "psychologically broken," and that she had found it "very, very difficult" adapting to life in the first family of terrorism.

Duh.

5 researchok  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:32:32pm

The Bin Laden (Pakistani) Village People:

Psycho, psycho man....He's got to be a psycho man...

6 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:33:27pm

Still Drunk, Still Crazy, And Still Blue

MP3 Audio

- Scott H. Biram
7 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:34:29pm

Was he one of the ones flown out of the US on 9/12?

(I've always assumed this as true, but Lizards know and can correct me if I'm wrong)

8 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:34:35pm

re: #2 freetoken

Is this where I should insert some snarky comment about Osama Bin Laden being inside lots of peoples' heads?

or not

9 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:36:05pm

re: #8 brookly red

or not

///Osama Bin laden is he that guy who used to sell Sham Wow?

10 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:36:59pm

OT - So I've just heard Mel Gibson's phone rant. Gossipy and irrelevant? Yes.

But, holy shit! Gibson is a fucking crazy misogynist.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

11 researchok  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:37:36pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Schizophrenia is a terrible disease. Hearing his father in his head? Well we know the hell on earth his father hers in his head. I have o idea if this guy is a jihadi or a just a sick son.

Sick is a given. Jihadi, maybe.

12 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:38:21pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

///Osama Bin laden is he that guy who used to sell Sham Wow?

no that is the guy Clinton should have taken out when he had the chance.

13 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:39:48pm

Another Bagua exclusive.

Bin Laden's son secret hospital escape plan!!!1!

Hospital Escape

MP3 Audio

- SHB
14 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:40:24pm

How does he know it was Bin Laden? Did the FBI verify the authenticity of the voice?

15 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:40:35pm

re: #11 researchok

Sick is a given. Jihadi, maybe.

actually I think jihad may be a symptom of shciz ... but I am not a doctor.

16 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:41:45pm

re: #12 brookly red

no that is the guy Clinton should have taken out when he had the chance.

That was fast.

17 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:41:51pm

re: #10 Nimed

OT - So I've just heard Mel Gibson's phone rant. Gossipy and irrelevant? Yes.

But, holy shit! Gibson is a fucking crazy misogynist.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I went and listened. Wow.

18 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:42:33pm

re: #9 jamesfirecat

///Osama Bin laden is he that guy who used to sell Sham Wow?

Ah, Vince. He's seen better days...

Image: sham-Wow-Vince-Shlomi-mug-shot.jpg

19 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:42:44pm

re: #16 tnguitarist

That was fast.

Yeah.

20 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:43:15pm

re: #16 tnguitarist

That was fast.

well it was loaded and ready for how many years?

21 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:44:54pm

These people had nothing to do with 9/11.

We should have sympathy for the son of the most calculating, evil terrorist of our lifetimes. He knew nothing.

22 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:45:30pm

re: #20 brookly red

well it was loaded and ready for how many years?

FactCheck.org: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?

Ultimately, however, it doesn’t matter. What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.

We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996.

23 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:46:11pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

I went and listened. Wow.

"You're trying to breastfeed with foreign bodies in you". I said this while he still was relatively calm. What a wacko.

24 researchok  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:46:14pm

re: #15 brookly red

actually I think jihad may be a symptom of shciz ... but I am not a doctor.

Symptom of dysfunction, not necessarily schizophrenia.

25 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:46:17pm

re: #21 Boogberg

These people had nothing to do with 9/11.

We should have sympathy for the son of the most calculating, evil terrorist of our lifetimes. He knew nothing.

I detect snark...

26 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:46:40pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Yeah.

why do you down ding? how many innocent lives would have been spared if Clinton had done him in? I don't suggest you were in favor of 9/11 but uhmmm, it could have been prevented.

27 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:46:52pm

re: #22 Gus 802

I can't believe Brookly dropped that in so damn quick. Thanks AGAIN Gus for the fact checking!

28 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:47:21pm

re: #10 Nimed

OT - So I've just heard Mel Gibson's phone rant. Gossipy and irrelevant? Yes.

But, holy shit! Gibson is a fucking crazy misogynist.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I heard it earlier. He is one very sick and crazy person.

29 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #20 brookly red

well it was loaded and ready for how many years?

I'm just curious. I don't blame 9/11 on Bush or any one person. I want to know, though, has Bush ever done anything wrong? Has Obama done a single thing right?

30 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:49:24pm

re: #26 brookly red

why do you down ding? how many innocent lives would have been spared if Clinton had done him in? I don't suggest you were in favor of 9/11 but uhmmm, it could have been prevented.

Read Gus' post.

So predictable that in 20 odd comments you blame Clinton.

31 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:49:33pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

I can't believe Brookly dropped that in so damn quick. Thanks AGAIN Gus for the fact checking!

You're welcome. Yeah, Osama Bin Laden wasn't much on the radar screen at the time. It's not like Clinton didn't later try to get him in 1998 with a missile attack. A single individual makes for a rather elusive target. Right now the militant Jihadist movement is larger than one man.

32 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:49:43pm

re: #26 brookly red

why do you down ding? how many innocent lives would have been spared if Clinton had done him in? I don't suggest you were in favor of 9/11 but uhmmm, it could have been prevented.

The text I just deleted probably would have earned me a timeout.

33 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:50:32pm

re: #26 brookly red

why do you down ding? how many innocent lives would have been spared if Clinton had done him in? I don't suggest you were in favor of 9/11 but uhmmm, it could have been prevented.

Wow, but you just did.

34 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:50:39pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

I heard it earlier. He is one very sick and crazy person.

And nasty. I really do hope this is the end of his movie career. He's a vile hater, and does not deserve accolades.

35 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:51:31pm

re: #29 tnguitarist

I'm just curious. I don't blame 9/11 on Bush or any one person. I want to know, though, has Bush ever done anything wrong? Has Obama done a single thing right?

bush did lot's wrong mostly in the appeasement category both in domestic spending and foreign affairs. obama did have some pirates offed, but that is about it.

36 Vambo  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:52:04pm

re: #26 brookly red

why do you down ding? how many innocent lives would have been spared if Clinton had done him in? I don't suggest you were in favor of 9/11 but uhmmm, it could have been prevented.

by your mom.

37 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:52:30pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Wow, but you just did.

Chill Winston.

Youtube Video
38 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:52:34pm

re: #35 brookly red

bush did lot's wrong mostly in the appeasement category both in domestic spending and foreign affairs. obama did have some pirates offed, but that is about it.

That's it? Just the pirates.

Excuse me but... LOL!

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:52:44pm

re: #12 brookly red

no that is the guy Clinton should have taken out when he had the chance.

Clinton had a chance to assassinate the Sham-Wow guy?

40 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:52:57pm

re: #36 Vambo

by your mom.

Youtube Video
41 wee fury  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

And nasty. I really do hope this is the end of his movie career. He's a vile hater, and does not deserve accolades.

Venomous. His tone on the phone made my skin crawl.

42 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:29pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Clinton had a chance to assassinate the Sham-Wow guy?

I'll never forgive him for missing that opportunity.

43 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:31pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Read Gus' post.

So predictable that in 20 odd comments you blame Clinton.

of course it was predictable history is like that. and what have we learned from it?

44 webevintage  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:41pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Clinton had a chance to assassinate the Sham-Wow guy?

No, Mel Gibson....

45 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:42pm

re: #35 brookly red

bush did lot's wrong mostly in the appeasement category both in domestic spending and foreign affairs. obama did have some pirates offed, but that is about it.

Just trying to get you to show your true colors. It's too easy.

46 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:53:59pm

re: #25 JasonA

Well kinda. Wasn't the entire family spirited out of the US shortly after the attack? I hate to say it but their lives were probably in grave danger. Children included.

47 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:54:31pm

re: #44 webevintage

No, Mel Gibson...

But then we would never have had Apocalypto!

Hmmm....

48 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:54:40pm

re: #44 webevintage

No, Mel Gibson...

oh, so CLINTON is sugar tits. it's starting to make sense now/

49 wee fury  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:09pm

I'm just going to come right out and say it.
Mel and Omar both have issues.

50 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:15pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Wow, but you just did.

no I didn't so don't even try that BS OK just cause I was trying to make nice don't think that way Mam.

51 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:17pm

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

oh, so CLINTON is sugar tits. it's starting to make sense now/

That's President Sugar Tits to you.

52 webevintage  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:34pm

re: #10 Nimed

OT - So I've just heard Mel Gibson's phone rant. Gossipy and irrelevant? Yes.

But, holy shit! Gibson is a fucking crazy misogynist.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

That is one fucked up dude....

53 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:55:54pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

I heard it earlier. He is one very sick and crazy person.

I think that if I had heard this in a movie I would have thought they had overdone it, with the whole "deserved to be raped by n-ers" stuff. The guy would have been a loon in the 50s.

54 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:56:03pm

re: #49 wee fury

I'm just going to come right out and say it.
Mel and Omar both have issues.

///I wonder if both of their "problems" are focused around THE JOOOS!

55 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:56:15pm

re: #52 webevintage

That is one fucked up dude...

He's dangerous to that girl. imho

56 Vambo  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #49 wee fury

I'm just going to come right out and say it.
Mel and Omar both have issues.

yeah but no but yeah but OMG THAT IS SO NOT FAIR!

Youtube Video
57 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:56:53pm

re: #45 tnguitarist

Just trying to get you to show your true colors. It's too easy.

true colors? what is that an insult I am a conservative democrat & I don't hide any thing so with all due respect bugger off you and me are done.

58 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:57:06pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

He's dangerous to that girl. imho

agree. i never thought it'd be possible to make Alec Baldwin play second fiddle, but wow...

59 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:57:32pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

He's dangerous to that girl. imho

I won't last through another OJ trial...

Jokes aside, yeah, I think you're right. He sounds horrible in that clip. I hope she has a bodyguard or two.

60 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:58:03pm

re: #58 Aceofwhat?

agree. i never thought it'd be possible to make Alec Baldwin play second fiddle, but wow...

What about Alec?

61 Vambo  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:58:06pm

oops, that was for this post:

re: #50 brookly red

no I didn't so don't even try that BS OK just cause I was trying to make nice don't think that way Mam.

re: #56 Vambo

yeah but no but yeah but OMG THAT IS SO NOT FAIR!


[Video]

62 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:59:25pm

re: #57 brookly red

true colors? what is that an insult I am a conservative democrat & I don't hide any thing so with all due respect bugger off you and me are done.

Sensitive much? Conservative Democrat?

63 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:59:42pm

re: #60 JasonA

What about Alec?

left a really nasty VM for his daughter a while back.

64 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 7:59:46pm

re: #57 brookly red

You know, moral issues aside, we do pay (and have payed) a price for the people our government tries to assassinate.

65 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:00:33pm

re: #62 tnguitarist

Sensitive much? Conservative Democrat?

what part of done did you not understand? bub by.

66 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:01:06pm

re: #65 brookly red

what part of done did you not understand? bub by.

Then don't reply to him. You really don't know how this works, do you?

67 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:01:18pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It won't be. He finances his own, and by and large he makes money. Business first in Hollywood. Profit before politics. Not cool, but that's the biz.

68 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:02:09pm

re: #67 Rightwingconspirator

It won't be. He finances his own, and by and large he makes money. Business first in Hollywood America. Profit before politics. Not cool, but that's the biz.

69 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:02:55pm

re: #64 Nimed

You know, moral issues aside, we do pay (and have payed) a price for the people our government tries to assassinate.

that is true, but I don't want to spend a lovely Friday night discussing what could have been... it is what it is.

70 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:03:13pm

re: #64 Nimed

You know, moral issues aside, we do pay (and have payed) a price for the people our government tries to assassinate.

Lol. Lucky we escaped that terrible price with Bin Laden.

71 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:03:47pm

re: #69 brookly red

that is true, but I don't want to spend a lovely Friday night discussing what could have been... it is what it is.

...

YOU JUST FUCKING DID THAT!!!
re: #12 brookly red

no that is the guy Clinton should have taken out when he had the chance.

72 Vambo  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:04:21pm

re: #69 brookly red

that is true, but I don't want to spend a lovely Friday night discussing what could have been... it is what it is.

then why did you start the discussion?

73 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:04:30pm

re: #71 JasonA

He starts the discussion, but then hates the fallout.

74 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:04:54pm

re: #71 JasonA


Amen. He's the one that brought it up!

75 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:05:01pm

Best Alec Baldwin segment? Glengarry Glen Ross.

76 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:05:09pm

re: #72 Vambo

then why did you start the discussion?

Because I made a poorly timed joke.

77 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:05:22pm

Welcome to the Friday Night Fights! Popcorn, I got popcorn here!

78 brookly red  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #66 JasonA

Then don't reply to him. You really don't know how this works, do you?

your right of course. I am going out to play, you all have fun now!

79 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:01pm

re: #77 Irenicum

Welcome to the Friday Night Fights! Popcorn, I got popcorn here!

Pfft. This isn't a fight. You know better.

80 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:12pm

re: #64 Nimed

You know, moral issues aside, we do pay (and have payed) a price for the people our government tries to assassinate.

Yeah, but in some cases its worth the blowback.

81 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:20pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

He starts the discussion, but then hates the fallout.

That's what Rad-Away is for.

(oops, i spilled nerd on my shirt...sorry...)

82 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #75 Boogberg

Best Alec Baldwin segment? Glengarry Glen Ross.

Quite Concur.

83 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:06:43pm

re: #77 Irenicum

That sounds good. Hope we have some. :D

84 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:07:05pm

re: #70 Bagua

Lol. Lucky we escaped that terrible price with Bin Laden.

That's right, we should just order the murder of everybody who might pose a risk to national security in the future. Everybody knows that there's nothing like a good murder to calm everybody down.

85 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:07:15pm

re: #75 Boogberg

Best Alec Baldwin segment? Glengarry Glen Ross.

Coffee is for closers...

86 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:07:24pm

re: #81 Aceofwhat?

That's what Rad-Away is for.

(oops, i spilled nerd on my shirt...sorry...)

Caps are for closers.

Wait, I'm getting shit mixed up here...

87 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:07:44pm

re: #79 JasonA

Heh. Just messing around. I like what you've said so far. Spot on.

88 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:08:16pm

re: #86 JasonA

Caps are for closers.

Wait, I'm getting shit mixed up here...

at least you have good taste...

89 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:08:32pm

I don't mind people that have different opinions than me. I play music with a guy who is pretty far right. We're good friends as well. What I can't stand is someone that won't stand behind their convictions. If you feel strongly about something, you shouldn't be afraid to stand up for what you believe.

90 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:08:58pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but in some cases its worth the blowback.

The thing is:
1) we don't know what we need beforehand;
2) there will be a reaction to an assassination attempt.

91 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:09:05pm

re: #88 Aceofwhat?

at least you have good taste...

Actually installing a new player house I want to try out right now.

[Link: www.fallout3nexus.com...]

92 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:09:39pm

re: #90 Nimed

The thing is:
1) we don't know what we need beforehand;
2) there will be a reaction to an assassination attempt.

Just ask Israel about Lillehammer.

93 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:10:16pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

He starts the discussion, but then hates the fallout.

MP3 Audio


The "fallout" is a ridiculous pile-on for a mild snark about a President 14 years ago.

Fuck Clinton, Fuck Bush and fuck all politicians. They are all nasty.

And chill the fuck out, this was a fun thread.

94 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:10:55pm

re: #93 Bagua

Mild snark? I read it as a serious criticism.

95 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:11:52pm

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

Coffee is for closers...

"Third prize is - you're fired."
How's that for motivation? :D

96 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:11:57pm

re: #91 JasonA

Actually installing a new player house I want to try out right now.

[Link: www.fallout3nexus.com...]

i like the electric fence. nice touch.

97 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:12:00pm

re: #53 Nimed

I think that if I had heard this in a movie I would have thought they had overdone it, with the whole "deserved to be raped by n-ers" stuff. The guy would have been a loon in the 50s.

Absolutely.
The whole thing - he accused her of lying to him, demeaned her appearance and the way she dresses and then that part you talked about - the whole thing was just batshit crazy.

98 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:13:02pm

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

i like the electric fence. nice touch.

That Cobra is such a tease. :(

99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:13:26pm

re: #90 Nimed

The thing is:
1) we don't know what we need beforehand;
2) there will be a reaction to an assassination attempt.

What do you mean?

100 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #98 JasonA

That Cobra is such a tease. :(

is that a ping-pong table?

101 Bagua  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:14:50pm

re: #94 JasonA

Mild snark? I read it as a serious criticism.

Man, I like having people from all sides of the political spectrum to debate with. But if I have to start saying "Peace Be Upon Him" everytime a Democrat is mentioned then fuck that period.

Bad Mind

MP3 Audio
102 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:06pm

Has anyone thought of asking Omar to ask his father where he is hiding?

103 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean?

Assassinating someone in this sense usually means that you're killing a person on someone else's turf. They might have a problem with that.

104 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:27pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

is that a ping-pong table?

There's a pool table.

105 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:34pm

re: #52 webevintage

That is one fucked up dude...

Mel Gibson: honorary member of the American Taliban.

106 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:53pm

I am not computer literate, but isn't there a logarithm for this type of stuff?re: #94 JasonA

Mild snark? I read it as a serious criticism.

excuses

107 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:15:54pm

re: #101 Bagua

heh

108 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:17:06pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout

Absolutely.
The whole thing - he accused her of lying to him, demeaned her appearance and the way she dresses and then that part you talked about - the whole thing was just batshit crazy.

Scary as hell batshit crazy. He's fighting her too, hopefully his $ and power in LA won't win.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:17:06pm

re: #102 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone thought of asking Omar to ask his father where he is hiding?

"Well, we would take him to a shrink, but we need the eggs..."

110 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:17:09pm

re: #101 Bagua

Man, I like having people from all sides of the political spectrum to debate with. But if I have to start saying "Peace Be Upon Him" everytime a Democrat is mentioned then fuck that period.

Bad Mind

[Video]

Yeah, that period is hot.

111 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:17:43pm

Dear Northeast:

It was 100 today in Jacksonville. No one cared. Quit yer crying.

Love,

Aceofsummahtime

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:18:03pm

re: #105 Cato the Elder

Mel Gibson: honorary member of the American Taliban.

Honorary? I'd say he's a founder. These "I am literally more Catholic than the so-called Pope" types are nothing but trouble.

113 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:19:26pm

re: #111 Aceofwhat?

Dear Northeast:

It was 100 today in Jacksonville. No one cared. Quit yer crying.

Love,

Aceofsummahtime

Jacksonville? What country is that in?

/

114 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:19:48pm

re: #111 Aceofwhat?

Dear Northeast:

It was 100 today in Jacksonville. No one cared. Quit yer crying.

Love,

Aceofsummahtime

I laugh when I hear the Northeast whine about the heat. They should try a good muggy, Southern summer.

115 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:19:57pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Honorary? I'd say he's a founder. These "I am literally more Catholic than the so-called Pope" types are nothing but trouble.

Part of the human condition: every group has its guano psychos.

116 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:20:48pm

re: #114 tnguitarist

I laugh when I hear the Northeast whine about the heat. They should try a good muggy, Southern summer.

Yeah, but we're expected to wear pants.

///

117 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #114 tnguitarist

I laugh when I hear the Northeast whine about the heat. They should try a good muggy, Southern summer.

Yep. And you'd think they would be happy to be rid of the snow for a bit.

But nooo. In six months, they'll be whining about frozen rain again. There's no pleasing some people...

118 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:21:38pm

re: #116 JasonA

Yeah, but we're expected to wear pants.

///

I lived this past winter in Buffalo. Holy shit.

119 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:21:44pm

re: #113 JasonA

The country just south of the rancid paper mills in Georgia.

120 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:22:22pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

I heard it earlier. He is one very sick and crazy person.

His old man, Hutton Gibson, is batshit crazy and has been for decades.
An extreme fundamentalist Catholic, Hutton is well-known as a Holocaust denier and general antisemite.
He originally moved the family to Australia in 1963, after the US sponsored coup against South Vietnam's Catholic strongman Ngo Dinh Diem. This convinced Hutton that the US was fighting an "anti-catholic war" and he did not want his sons fighting in such a war. He ignored two relevant and seemingly obvious facts:
-Diem was on our side and was overthrown for incompetence and corruption, not because he represented the enemy regime in any way.
-Australia itself already had troops in Vietnam at the time and would eventually send conscripts there, just like the US.
(Hutton backtracked on this version in later years, claiming that he was well aware of Australian involvement and that he simply thought the Australian forces were more likely to reject his sons for service. Since the latter were not even in their teens at the time, this was a thin line of reasoning, to say the least, for uprooting the family and moving them halfway around the world.)

121 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:22:27pm

re: #103 JasonA

Assassinating someone in this sense usually means that you're killing a person on someone else's turf. They might have a problem with that.

In the case of a terror master, my response is: Too Fucking Bad. Protect the terror master and you'll get what he gets.

122 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:22:58pm

re: #119 Boogberg

The country just south of the rancid paper mills in Georgia.

I vacation in Savannah. I know of what you speak.

123 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:23:06pm

re: #117 Aceofwhat?

Yep. And you'd think they would be happy to be rid of the snow for a bit.

But nooo. In six months, they'll be whining about frozen rain again. There's no pleasing some people...

The weather here was actually pretty awesome up until last Sunday or so.

124 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:24:56pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean?

We don't have a crystal ball. We do you think we should try to murder right now, so we might not regret it in the future?

And I remind you that the Clinton did authorize the CIA to capture Bin Laden, or, failing capture, to kill him. So we're talking more of a question of resources and priorities. So the question is more like, who should we be trying really hard to murder?

125 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:27:39pm

re: #124 Nimed

We don't have a crystal ball. We do you think we should try to murder right now, so we might not regret it in the future?

And I remind you that the Clinton did authorize the CIA to capture Bin Laden, or, failing capture, to kill him. So we're talking more of a question of resources and priorities. So the question is more like, who should we be trying really hard to murder?

When its a terrorist leader, it is not murder. It's the termination of an enemy.

126 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:28:06pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Honorary? I'd say he's a founder. These "I am literally more Catholic than the so-called Pope" types are nothing but trouble.

Wow. "So-called Pope"? I wonder what we would have said about a John Paul I type.

127 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:28:33pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Don't you evah diss the guy with the metal detector.

128 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:29:39pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

In the case of a terror master, my response is: Too Fucking Bad. Protect the terror master and you'll get what he gets.

Uh huh. All we're arguing is that our government should be really really really sure that we need to kill this person. That's all.

129 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:23pm

re: #102 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone thought of asking Omar to ask his father where he is hiding?

Back in 2008, he and his wife (he's 28, she's 54) tried to move back to Britain where she's from, but they were denied. If you believe the Daily Mail (which is sometimes accurate and sometimes not), they ran a number of articles about it.

The couple revealed the application was turned down a few weeks ago following a six-month wait after an Entry Clearance Officer (ECO) judged that it might not be "conducive to the public good".

The ECO added: "I note that statements made during recent media interviews indicate evidence of continuing loyalty to your father who is ultimately held responsible for the London bombing in July 2005 and your presence in the UK could, therefore, cause considerable public concern."

And then this article where he says he doesn't believe his father is a terrorist, but he hopes he would be more peaceful.

[Link: www.smh.com.au...]

One of Osama bin Laden's sons said he wishes his father would find "another way" to pursue his goals but does not believe his father is a terrorist, CNN television reported.

130 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:34pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, Mel isn't Latin Rite, he's seriously Latin wrong.

131 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:41pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

When its a terrorist leader, it is not murder. It's the termination of an enemy.

Ok, let's leave out questions of legitimacy on this one. But the questions stands.

132 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:45pm

re: #122 tnguitarist

Is the odor still there? This was back in the early '80's. I went to work for a friend and I could not fucking believe the stench in Jacksonville.

133 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:30:57pm

Taking a bottle of 2003 Rutherford Cask Cabernet and 2005 DuMOL 'Ryan' Pinot Noir to poker tonight.

134 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:31:03pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Don't you evah diss the guy with the metal detector.

I'm going to check every inch of Westchester, NY, for some of those roman coins.

/

135 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:32:07pm

re: #132 Boogberg

Is the odor still there? This was back in the early '80's. I went to work for a friend and I could not fucking believe the stench in Jacksonville.

Oh, it's still there. It hits you right as you roll into town. I love the city, but that's why we stay on Tybee.

136 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #120 Shiplord Kirel

I really hope this is the end of his career. He allegedly hit her in the face, blackened both eyes and knocked out her teeth. It's all going to come out in court and she's going to be sure it's made public. She already is actually.

137 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:32:58pm

re: #132 Boogberg

Is the odor still there? This was back in the early '80's. I went to work for a friend and I could not fucking believe the stench in Jacksonville.

nah, you get a little swamp vibe on certain days in certain spots, but i'm only 10 min from the beach. pretty good living.

138 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:33:33pm

re: #126 Nimed

He considered JP1 to be apostate.

139 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:33:56pm

re: #137 Aceofwhat?

nah, you get a little swamp vibe on certain days in certain spots, but i'm only 10 min from the beach. pretty good living.

I was talking about Savannah still. sorry.

140 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:35:03pm

re: #137 Aceofwhat?

nah, you get a little swamp vibe on certain days in certain spots, but i'm only 10 min from the beach. pretty good living.

Dude, I can't believe we never talk Florida football. Ever go to Gainesville? We always went to either South Jax or St. Augustine to the beach.

IIRC, you are a Longhorn fan? (sorry for the insult if you're not!!!) I always think you are from TX for some reason.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:35:13pm

re: #138 Irenicum

He considered JP1 to be apostate.

The Gibsons are "Society of Pius XI" types.

142 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:35:33pm

re: #129 marjoriemoon

My comment was in reference to asking the "voice" of his father, in his head, to reveal his location... it was sort of a mental illness joke.

143 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:37:00pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

There's some nasty shit there. A festering swamp of hatred of anything not them.

144 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:37:54pm

re: #140 Stanley Sea

Dude, I can't believe we never talk Florida football. Ever go to Gainesville? We always went to either South Jax or St. Augustine to the beach.

IIRC, you are a Longhorn fan? (sorry for the insult if you're not!!!) I always think you are from TX for some reason.

I am a CFB fan all the way around, with lingering B10 allegiances, but i hate no team.

I haven't been to the swamp yet for a game but i intend to. I'm looking forward to seeing just how good Brantley is. It looks like the guy can really, really throw.

145 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:38:32pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

My comment was in reference to asking the "voice" of his father, in his head, to reveal his location... it was sort of a mental illness joke.

Oh!! Well then, never mind!

But for what it's worth, I think the Brits made the right decision. She doesn't seem to be screwed to tightly either. This is her 6th marriage.

146 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:39:17pm

re: #144 Aceofwhat?

He was supposed to be "it" when recruited. I certainly hope.

Oh you must must go to the swamp one day. I haven't been back for 4 years. Pitiful, just pitiful.

147 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:39:18pm

re: #143 Irenicum

There's some nasty shit there. A festering swamp of hatred of anything not them.

They reject Vatican II entirely. Not Fundies, though, since by accepting the decisions of Catholic Councils before Vatican II they do accept the idea of interpretation of the Bible.

148 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:39:37pm

re: #139 tnguitarist

I was talking about Savannah still. sorry.

oops, no problem

149 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:39:51pm

re: #138 Irenicum

He considered JP1 to be apostate.

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

The Gibsons are "Society of Pius XI" types.

0_0
Suddenly Scientology in Hollywood doesn't look so bad...

150 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:40:04pm

re: #140 Stanley Sea

My boss is a big Florida State fan. He's got that fucking ringtone on his cellphone.

151 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:40:23pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

He was supposed to be "it" when recruited. I certainly hope.

Oh you must must go to the swamp one day. I haven't been back for 4 years. Pitiful, just pitiful.

they got "it" again this year, too. Urban Meyer is the real deal.

152 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:40:23pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

Wow. You gotta wonder what the dynamics are in a life like that. That whole bunch is seriously messed up.

153 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:41:32pm

re: #150 Boogberg

My boss is a big Florida State fan. He's got that fucking ringtone on his cellphone.

Ha! My last boss did, too. He went there. Not for nothin, but he was a complete ass.

154 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:41:48pm

re: #149 Nimed

Just different varieties of crazy. It's like asking which you prefer, battery acid or bleach for your diet.

155 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:42:19pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

Oh!! Well then, never mind!

But for what it's worth, I think the Brits made the right decision. She doesn't seem to be screwed to tightly either. This is her 6th marriage.

That's ok... it's late... I just got home from work... wasn't that funny anyway.

156 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:42:34pm

re: #150 Boogberg

My boss is a big Florida State fan. He's got that fucking ringtone on his cellphone.

He couldn't get in to Florida is usually the reason! heh. All these years & I still flip off the 'Nole on the freeway in California!!

157 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:42:55pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Your pic is cracking me up.

158 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:44:22pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Honorary? I'd say he's a founder. These "I am literally more Catholic than the so-called Pope" types are nothing but trouble.

Ya know, these super-religious types are a mystery to me.

As you say, he's given this attitude of being oh-such-a-devout-Catholic, yet he commits adultery, fathers a child out of wedlock, with apparently no conscience about it at all. And then goes on to be vile and nasty to the mother of his child. Just completely weird, and not exactly sane IMO.

159 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:44:39pm

Creeps:

Dodgers executive was paid almost a fourth of club's charity budget in 2007, report says

Not today, though. And recent history suggests, not any time soon.

The latest public relations black eye to Frank McCourt & Co. comes courtesy of the New York Times, which reported Friday that a high-ranking team executive was paid almost one-fourth of its team charity’s budget in 2007.

Howard Sunkin, a senior vice president who is McCourt’s liaison in public affairs, was paid over $400,000 when the entire Dodgers Dream Foundation budget in 2007 was $1.6 million.

The NYT said his compensation was more in line for a charity of over $100 million. He was reportedly working 40 hours a week for the foundation, while also advising McCourt on dealings with politicians and business leaders.

Continues.

160 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:45:00pm

re: #144 Aceofwhat?

I am a CFB fan all the way around, with lingering B10 allegiances, but i hate no team.

Actually, that's not true. I love to root against Boise State because they play a cupcake schedule and want to be in the NC, and i love to root against Miami, because i remember the arrogance of the "U" and i still hold it against them.

161 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:45:22pm

re: #154 Irenicum

Just different varieties of crazy. It's like asking which you prefer, battery acid or bleach for your diet.

I'm not so sure about that. The non-misogynous, non-antisemitic crazy seems preferable.

162 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:45:33pm

re: #29 tnguitarist

I'm just curious. I don't blame 9/11 on Bush or any one person. I want to know, though, has Bush ever done anything wrong? Has Obama done a single thing right?

Harriet Miers. Heckovajob Brownie.

Solar power subsidies. Keeping Gates on.

There. That was easy.

163 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:46:26pm

re: #161 Nimed

True, they don't do that variety of evil crazy. But they do have a real dark side that is to be avoided at all costs.

164 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:47:28pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?

Boise State is fun to watch, though. I'm not a college fan, but living in TN I am required by law to hate all Florida teams.

165 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:47:34pm

re: #157 tnguitarist

Your pic is cracking me up.

Do you recognize what it's a picture of?

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:47:35pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Ya know, these super-religious types are a mystery to me.

As you say, he's given this attitude of being oh-such-a-devout-Catholic, yet he commits adultery, fathers a child out of wedlock, with apparently no conscience about it at all. And then goes on to be vile and nasty to the mother of his child. Just completely weird, and not exactly sane IMO.

Not a stable person.

167 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:49:10pm

re: #164 tnguitarist

Boise State is fun to watch, though. I'm not a college fan, but living in TN I am required by law to hate all Florida teams.

I'm looking forward to VaTech beating them down this year...

168 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:49:23pm

good night all

169 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:49:41pm

re: #163 Irenicum

True, they don't do that variety of evil crazy. But they do have a real dark side that is to be avoided at all costs.

Since we're here... What is the dark side of Scientology? I just know about the "shrinks are bad for you" stuff.

170 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:49:52pm

re: #168 Aceofwhat?

Nite Ace.

171 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:50:03pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

No, but the guy on the right looks real familiar.

172 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:50:18pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?

Actually, that's not true. I love to root against Boise State because they play a cupcake schedule and want to be in the NC, and i love to root against Miami, because i remember the arrogance of the "U" and i still hold it against them.

Absolutely. But they are coming back. My household @ Thanksgiving: Gators 2, Canes 2, Penn State 1. Crazy time.

173 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:50:29pm

re: #152 Irenicum

Wow. You gotta wonder what the dynamics are in a life like that. That whole bunch is seriously messed up.

Yea, seriously. I wonder what happened with his wife during that 20 year marriage.

174 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:51:22pm

This just in:

Scientists say the ruins of a vast mosque have been discovered on the fifth planet out from Gedi Prime.

The jubilation amongst the Earth's Muslim believers knows no bounds. Saudi Arabia is already promising unlimited funds to journey thither and repair the interstellar house of worship.

Contrary opinions were quick to surface. A coalition calling itself The Committee to Stop the Space Mega-Mosque is calling for an immediate demonstration on Gedi Prime Avenue in New York. They object to what they call the "perpetuation of cultural-religious imperialism" on a site overlooking a famous defeat suffered by James T. Kirk in a hopeless battle against Klingons.

More to follow.

175 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:51:32pm

re: #169 Nimed

I forget what paper it is, it's in central Florida near the Scientology HQ. They've done some really good investigative reporting on them for years. I'll see if I can find a link.

176 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:51:34pm

re: #169 Nimed

Since we're here... What is the dark side of Scientology? I just know about the "shrinks are bad for you" stuff.

Look up some of the stuff the investigative reporters from Tampa uncovered.

177 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:51:56pm

re: #159 Gus 802

You're off base on that one, Holmes. Buy a baseball team and then you can dictate salaries. You should be happy that charities got anything. Pro Baseball is for profit.

178 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:52:32pm

re: #177 Boogberg

You're off base on that one, Holmes. Buy a baseball team and then you can dictate salaries. You should be happy that charities got anything. Pro Baseball is for profit.

It's a charity Boogberg. It's not baseball.

179 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:52:45pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

This just in:

Scientists say the ruins of a vast mosque have been discovered on the fifth planet out from Gedi Prime.

The jubilation amongst the Earth's Muslim believers knows no bounds. Saudi Arabia is already promising unlimited funds to journey thither and repair the interstellar house of worship.

Contrary opinions were quick to surface. A coalition calling itself The Committee to Stop the Space Mega-Mosque is calling for an immediate demonstration on Gedi Prime Avenue in New York. They object to what they call the "perpetuation of cultural-religious imperialism" on a site overlooking a famous defeat suffered by James T. Kirk in a hopeless battle against Klingons.

More to follow.

Oh, brutal. Well done, Cato.

180 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:53:18pm

re: #175 Irenicum

I forget what paper it is, it's in central Florida near the Scientology HQ. They've done some really good investigative reporting on them for years. I'll see if I can find a link.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

181 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:53:50pm

re: #171 tnguitarist

No, but the guy on the right looks real familiar.

It's a photo of the characters (left to right) Henry and Mortimer from the musical "The Fantastiks." Henry is an old out of work British Shakespearean actor and Mortimer is a cockney speaking American Idian who is his valet... and they live in a prop trunk.

182 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:53:52pm

re: #175 Irenicum

I forget what paper it is, it's in central Florida near the Scientology HQ. They've done some really good investigative reporting on them for years. I'll see if I can find a link.

Thanks. But if it's too much trouble, don't bother -- I'll search for the piece myself.

183 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:54:42pm

re: #182 Nimed

Go to [Link: www.tampabay.com...] and search for scientology. There's a ton of stuff.

184 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #182 Nimed

Tampabay.com

Posted above.

185 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:55:02pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. Any idea who the actors are?

186 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:55:15pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Thanks for that, gull. :)

187 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:55:59pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Thanks Stanley. Totally didn't see that!

188 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:57:29pm

re: #185 tnguitarist

Thanks. Any idea who the actors are?

That's Denver's director/actor/producer and owner of Miners Alley Playhouse Rick Bernstein as Henry and me as Mortimer.

189 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:58:13pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

I love how creative some of our lizards are. Too much fun.

190 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 8:59:15pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

That could be why he looks familiar! What was the year?

191 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:00:46pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

You remind me of someone, but I can't place it.

192 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:01:29pm

re: #178 Gus 802

Well it's a baseball based charity. You have a valid point in that I wouldn't donate to those fuckers. And now that you got me thinking about it, Never donate unless you check out the recipient first.

193 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:03:30pm

re: #190 tnguitarist

That could be why he looks familiar! What was the year?

If I remember correctly 1999.

194 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:04:50pm

re: #192 Boogberg

Well it's a baseball based charity. You have a valid point in that I wouldn't donate to those fuckers. And now that you got me thinking about it, Never donate unless you check out the recipient first.

It's also being reported in the NY Times and LA Observed. The average executive compensation for a charity of 1.6 million is 90,000 a year. 400,000 or 1/4 is over the top. These guys have a lot of other problems too.

Questions Arise About Executive’s Pay at Dodgers Charity

Sunkin's pay at Dodgers' charity hits the news

195 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:05:26pm

Wow, a girl leaves for a few minutes and we've moved from Sea Monkeys to Scientology. Hello, diversity, thy name is LGF.

Not ready to sign up for Scientology, but definitely have brain-drain.

196 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:07:25pm

Night...

197 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:08:36pm

I'm out for the night. Gotta go work on three new guitars that I just started. (One is already sold!) I'll leave you with some beer commercial wisdom...

music is a religion,
karaoke is a cult

198 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:09:24pm

80's dating montage.

Youtube Video
199 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:10:20pm

I'm watching a funny movie right now. It's called "Matilda", and it's about a little girl and books.

Anyone seen it?

200 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:11:10pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

Cute flick. Love when she makes the books fly.

201 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:12:31pm

Re: Mr. Mel Gibson

Check out Huffington Post's front page

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

202 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:13:18pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Man you really gotta keep track of your money. Charities, retirement fund, household finances, you name it. I asked one of my buddies at work about his money. His wife handles the bills he says. What the goddam fucking hell??

203 Gus  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:14:33pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Re: Mr. Mel Gibson

Check out Huffington Post's front page

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Eek!

204 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:14:41pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Yikes! And I have absolutely no desire to listen to that tape. I already know he's a seriously sick douchebag. I don't need to make myself nauseous too.

205 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:14:59pm

re: #154 Irenicum

Just different varieties of crazy. It's like asking which you prefer, battery acid or bleach for your diet.

Ok, I'm persuaded.

It was the imposed abortions, beatings, abuse, charges of negligent homicide and the intimidating and spying on former members that did it.

206 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:16:00pm

re: #205 Nimed

Exactly. Now you know why I feel the way I do about them.

207 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:16:33pm

re: #198 Irenicum

That was awesome!

208 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:17:14pm

re: #207 marjoriemoon

I love the hair and absolutely awful fashion sense.

209 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:18:30pm

re: #198 Irenicum

80's dating montage.

[Video]

I think you just killed me with laughter.

[Cato blanks out, comes to in 30 seconds]

Nope, I'm still here.

Holy mackerel!

I love the guy who keeps reading his trite self-love declaration off the crib sheet.

Reminds me of certain GOP pols, somehow.

210 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:19:41pm

re: #204 Irenicum

Yikes! And I have absolutely no desire to listen to that tape. I already know he's a seriously sick douchebag. I don't need to make myself nauseous too.

The thing to me is, how could you ever claim to love someone and let those things out of your mouth. I mean, I've been in bad fights with the opposite sex, but I've never yelled a racial slur or wished they'd be raped or beaten (which is what Mel was really saying btw).

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:20:02pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Re: Mr. Mel Gibson

Check out Huffington Post's front page

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Saying a woman is asking to be raped = On my shit list forever.

212 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:22:17pm

What a terrible burden to be the offspring of that man.

213 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:22:21pm

re: #208 Irenicum

I love the hair and absolutely awful fashion sense.

I remember when video dating started getting hot. There was some mail ad me and my friends used to get from a company, I think called Great Expectations? Video dating service.

Actually, one of my bosses met his wife that way. He works long hours and doesn't get out much. They have two children and have been married 15 years... and they really are perfect for each other.

214 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:24:13pm

re: #198 Irenicum

Dang. Lotta eligible dudes there. I'd have to go with the geek. Good earnage potential.

215 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:24:39pm

re: #213 marjoriemoon

I have a number of friends who married through e-harmony. It works for some folks. Hey, whatever it takes.

216 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:25:33pm

re: #201 Stanley Sea

Re: Mr. Mel Gibson

Check out Huffington Post's front page

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I do like how they re-posted Ari Emanuel's (Rahm's Hollywood agent bro) post from 2006.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

"The Bottom Line on Mel Gibson's Anti-Semitic Remarks"

217 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:02pm

Bin Laden's Son Hears Dad's Voice, Is Hospitalized misinformed.

He's dead.

*****
A cool car. Enjoy.

Bugati Type 35

Good night all.

218 Nimed  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:13pm

re: #213 marjoriemoon

I remember when video dating started getting hot. There was some mail ad me and my friends used to get from a company, I think called Great Expectations? Video dating service.

Actually, one of my bosses met his wife that way. He works long hours and doesn't get out much. They have two children and have been married 15 years... and they really are perfect for each other.

I hope the viking with glasses got lucky. Ditto for the subscriber of Playboy and the New Yorker.

219 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:24pm

re: #214 Boogberg

Dang. Lotta eligible dudes there. I'd have to go with the geek. Good earnage potential.

Thor may be the favorite. He wonders why he can't connect with anyone.

And what the hell is a "Donna Juanita"! I mean really!!

220 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:25pm

re: #215 Irenicum

No shit? I've been kinda skeptical.

221 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:35pm

re: #212 Amory Blaine

What a terrible burden to be the offspring of that man.

Osama or Mel?

heh

222 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:46pm

Hi, I'm Maurice. I'm an executive by day and a wild man by night.

223 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:26:54pm

re: #210 marjoriemoon

Men like that aren't capable of love. Words don't mean a thing, it's actions that count. Gibson is sick, sick, sick.

224 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:28:07pm

But I think my favorite one is the guy who simply says "Hi mom"

225 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:30:40pm

re: #215 Irenicum

I have a number of friends who married through e-harmony. It works for some folks. Hey, whatever it takes.

Oh I dated through AOL for a long time. I used to go to the Florida rooms. Met a lot of g/fs, too. Actually I met my husband on AOL LOL I had the first version of AOL when it was the only game in town (Prodigy was actually before AOL, IIR, but they didn't have the flexibility).

226 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:10pm

re: #225 marjoriemoon

I remember getting those AOL CD's in the mail all the time. We use to microwave them at our college cottage. It was fun and gave a great light show.

227 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:25pm

All I can say is that it's about time that the national media (and federal investigators) is starting to take a hard, close look at this racist scumbag.

Arizona sheriff under investigation for alleged abuse of power

228 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:33:29pm

I didn't want to get into the Mel Gibson thing, but I'd be willing to bet it has a lot to do with his upbringing. You don't have any choice when you're a little kid. That creepy shit sticks with you.

229 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:35:21pm

re: #228 Boogberg

My thoughts exactly. He was mentally and spiritually stained from the get go. I feel bad that he had to go through that, but at a certain point he owned the hate and made it his own. I have no sympathy for that.

230 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:38:32pm

re: #215 Irenicum

I know two people who met someone online. One lady dated endlessly, then met her husband while waiting in line for coffee at Starbucks. Other girl works with me, met a guy who seemed alright until it became obvious he was a total creep. Takes all kinds, just like everything else in life.

231 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:38:45pm

re: #228 Boogberg

I didn't want to get into the Mel Gibson thing, but I'd be willing to bet it has a lot to do with his upbringing. You don't have any choice when you're a little kid. That creepy shit sticks with you.

No excuses Boogberg.

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:39:01pm

re: #223 Ebetty

I don't know him.

233 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:40:36pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Yeah, I know. It's a damned shame, really.

234 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:41:59pm

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

know who? Mel Gibson. Dude if you know Gibson, get out a bat and say hello for me.

235 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:03pm

re: #227 RadicalModerate

All I can say is that it's about time that the national media (and federal investigators) is starting to take a hard, close look at this racist scumbag.

Arizona sheriff under investigation for alleged abuse of power

Why racist? I've never gotten that vibe from him. Anti-illegal immigrant, yes, but I don't think that's about race.

236 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:05pm

re: #233 Boogberg

Yeah, I know. It's a damned shame, really.

I see no shame but his own. Everyone is responsible for their actions. Usually a sincere apology will make things better. In Mel's case I cannot imagine any apology (or new stint in rehab) sufficing.

237 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:44:13pm

re: #226 Irenicum

I remember getting those AOL CD's in the mail all the time. We use to microwave them at our college cottage. It was fun and gave a great light show.

Yeesh. Talk about aggressive marketing.

Hubby was stationed in Fort Collins, CO when we met online in a tattoo and piercing chatroom! But he had a year to go and neither one of us figured our friendship would become of anything. But it did! He moved to Florida after he was discharged and we've been together 12 years.

238 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:45:12pm

re: #237 marjoriemoon

Yeesh. Talk about aggressive marketing.

Hubby was stationed in Fort Collins, CO when we met online in a tattoo and piercing chatroom! But he had a year to go and neither one of us figured our friendship would become of anything. But it did! He moved to Florida after he was discharged and we've been together 12 years.

Wild marjoriemoon!!!!

239 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:08pm

re: #237 marjoriemoon

very cool.

240 Racer X  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:15pm

You see that?
See what?
Seafood?
Oh crabp!

Image: ThqvX.jpg

241 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:46:23pm

re: #237 marjoriemoon

That is so cool!

242 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:47:21pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

No excuses Boogberg.

You know what else? This fucker would have been reemed here and probably banned for his idiocy.

243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:47:25pm

re: #229 Irenicum

My thoughts exactly. He was mentally and spiritually stained from the get go. I feel bad that he had to go through that, but at a certain point he owned the hate and made it his own. I have no sympathy for that.

Me neither. And the pre-Vatican II dogma doesn't excuse his adultery and violence, neither of which the Catholic Church has ever condoned. (Looked the other way on domestic violence? Yes. Approved of it? Never.) Mel Gibson can't even live up to his dogma.

244 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:48:03pm

re: #238 Stanley Sea

Wild marjoriemoon!!!

The family that tattoos together... and all that :p

245 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:48:52pm

Image: CONTROLLING-THE-MESSAGE2.jpg

246 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:49:11pm

re: #242 Boogberg

You know what else? This fucker would have been reemed here and probably banned for his idiocy.

That "pack of [deleted]" line of his would have gotten him banned from any forum except for Stormfront. The Stalker Blog would've booted him for it.

247 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:49:30pm

re: #239 Ebetty

re: #241 Irenicum

I met a lot of idiots, too. I was definitely more bold than I would be today. Actually the female relationships lasted a lot longer. I made some good friends online.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:49:53pm

re: #244 marjoriemoon

Shudder...

249 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:04pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I think it's his sick way of trying to please his sick and twisted father. He just can't escape the cycle. And doesn't seem to want to.

250 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:50:59pm

The worst part about AOL was that they wouldn't let you quit! You would call to cancel the account (they wouldn't let you cancel online) and then they would put you on hold forever to wear you down. I called a few times and waited an hour or so before giving up. I cancelled the credit card they were billing from, no good. They were able to keep billing to it. Finally I waited 3+ hours to get to speak with a clerk to cancel the account, and the guy had the audacity to try to convince me to not cancel. If we had been in the same room I might have strangled him. Since then I steer far clear of everything that has anything to do with AOL.

251 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:08pm

re: #249 Irenicum

I think it's his sick way of trying to please his sick and twisted father. He just can't escape the cycle. And doesn't seem to want to.

Oh no, it's in him. Regardless of how it got there, it's in him.

I'm sorry, that audio recording was CHILLING.

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:13pm

re: #245 Stanley Sea

They might have that thang totally capped in the next few days... that would be a wonderful thing.

253 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:54pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

No excuses Boogberg.

Yeah, I was basically raised by wolves, but I flatter myself that I turned out pretty well. It was a long and difficult struggle at times though.
At least I never did anything worse to my ex-wife than christening her "Jezebel" and "Jabba the Slutt."

254 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:51:58pm

re: #247 marjoriemoon

I've found that too. Nowadays I've found a bunch of cool "friends" on facebook through mutual interests. I love it.

255 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:02pm

re: #227 RadicalModerate

He is coming to the KC area for an "Illegal Means Illegal" rally at Mid America Nazarene College. He will be there with Kris Kobach.

256 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:52:56pm

re: #255 prairiefire

He is coming to the KC area for an "Illegal Means Illegal" rally at Mid America Nazarene College. He will be there with Kris Kobach.

Ahh, the ties that bind. Damn.

257 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:53:14pm

re: #250 Mich-again

Yeah, that company was shit from day one.

258 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:43pm
259 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:54:54pm

re: #253 Shiplord Kirel

I was raised by wolves. Then my mom had 13 years of psycho-analysis and it all turned out alright.

260 Ebetty  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:12pm

re: #259 prairiefire

On that note, I'm outta here for the night. Goodnight, all.

261 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:14pm

re: #255 prairiefire

He is coming to the KC area for an "Illegal Means Illegal" rally at Mid America Nazarene College. He will be there with Kris Kobach.

Do they not get the incredible irony of doing this at a school called Nazarene? No. Of course not. They'd have to actually know something.

262 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:56:27pm

re: #258 Boogberg

Tattoos are disgusting. What's next? A fucking bone through your nose and a gord on your dick? That tribal shit makes you look foolish.

Ah, speaking of idiocy...

263 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:08pm

re: #258 Boogberg

What the hell? I really hope you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're just being an asshole.

264 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:57:33pm

re: #261 Irenicum

Do they not get the incredible irony of doing this at a school called Nazarene? No. Of course not. They'd have to actually know something.

The Nazarenes around here are hard right.

265 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:58:58pm

re: #264 prairiefire

Most I know are too. Sad how little they know of what scripture actually says concerning "foreigners" and "aliens."

266 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 9:59:32pm

re: #258 Boogberg

Tattoos are disgusting. What's next? A fucking bone through your nose and a gord on your dick? That tribal shit makes you look foolish.

I don't have a dick.

267 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:00:29pm

re: #264 prairiefire

The Nazarenes around here are hard right.

I'm amazed that Kobach is getting away with this. Actually I'm becoming unamazed, just freaking sad.

268 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:01:22pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Why racist? I've never gotten that vibe from him. Anti-illegal immigrant, yes, but I don't think that's about race.

There's been more than a few LFG posts on his ties to white supremacist groups, including video of him with members of Stormfront.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

269 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:03:56pm

re: #263 Irenicum

What the hell? I really hope you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're just being an asshole.

Tattoos are really overrated. I wouldn't do it again if I had a do-over.

270 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:04:05pm

I've been in California with the family on vacation and totally digging it.. Yesterday we made the incredible drive on Highway 1 from the Hearst Castle to Monterey. And we were lucky enough to have the chance to watch dozens of massive Elephant seals just hanging out on the beach. Got a chance to body surf at Santa Monica beach. Drove up the Mountain to the Hollywood sign. Those are just a few cool things from our time spent here so far. Best vacation decision we ever made! Kinda wondering why we waited so long.

271 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:05:05pm

re: #266 marjoriemoon

I don't have a dick.

I woke up this morning with a bad hangover
And my penis was missing again.
This happens all the time.
It's detachable.

Youtube Video
272 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:05:41pm

Well, speaking of Christians behaving in decidedly unchristian ways, here's a great piece about American evangelical nationalistic idolatry. Me and at least one other lizard read and occasionally post at the Internet Monk. Very good posts over there. Well worth reading.

273 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:05:49pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

A man after my own heart!

274 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:05:57pm

re: #263 Irenicum

What the hell? I really hope you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're just being an asshole.

I was trying to get a rise. And I can be an asshole at times. :D

Seriously though, what is the attraction of tattoos? I guess it's the permanent nature of them that creeps me out.

275 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:07:02pm

re: #269 marjoriemoon

I've never really been tempted by the idea till the last year or so. Still mulling it over.

276 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:18pm

re: #274 Boogberg

I was trying to get a rise. And I can be an asshole at times. :D

Seriously though, what is the attraction of tattoos? I guess it's the permanent nature of them that creeps me out.

I don't hate them, obviously. But they fade over time and blur. I think now the inks are much better quality and there's so many great artists. That's the key, to find someone with work that you like.

277 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:23pm

re: #270 Mich-again

Never been to Cali. Hope to some day. Sounds like you're having a blast. Very cool.

278 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:09:29pm

re: #200 Ebetty

Cute flick. Love when she makes the books fly.

"My idea of a perfect school is one in which there are no children. Do you agree, Miss Honey?"

279 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:10:28pm

re: #275 Irenicum

I've never really been tempted by the idea till the last year or so. Still mulling it over.

Any designs you like?

280 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:11:02pm

re: #274 Boogberg

That's what has held me back from getting one so far. But I do hafta say that I know a number of women who have them and a lot of them are damn sexy. It doesn't detract one bit.

281 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:11:40pm

re: #270 Mich-again

I've been in California with the family on vacation and totally digging it.. Yesterday we made the incredible drive on Highway 1 from the Hearst Castle to Monterey. And we were lucky enough to have the chance to watch dozens of massive Elephant seals just hanging out on the beach. Got a chance to body surf at Santa Monica beach. Drove up the Mountain to the Hollywood sign. Those are just a few cool things from our time spent here so far. Best vacation decision we ever made! Kinda wondering why we waited so long.

Excellent! So glad it's going well. You are not heading south though are you? Going all the way to San Francisco?

282 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:12:19pm

re: #272 Irenicum

My experience is that the more a person boasts about being a Christian, the less their actions demonstrate it. Better to stay humble and let your deeds speak for you.

283 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:14:23pm

re: #270 Mich-again

I've been in California with the family on vacation and totally digging it.. ... Best vacation decision we ever made! Kinda wondering why we waited so long.

i grew up in NYC but became a californian when i was about 25. i like to say that i love california with the passion of a convert

284 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:14:26pm

re: #280 Irenicum

There's a few stylized Hebrew inscriptions I've considered. Also Greek, which I know much better. I think I'd have to design the ink myself to be honest. They would be variations of my nic here, which means peace.

285 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:14:42pm

re: #282 Mich-again

Exactly.

286 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:15:09pm

Personally not a big fan of tattoos (and to a lesser extent piercings) primarily because of the fact that they are, by design, permanent. I have a female friend who is going to have an interesting time about 20 years from now trying to explain the "Hello Kitty" tattoo she got when she was in college a few years ago, and don't want to see myself in a similar situation.

287 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:15:15pm

re: #281 Stanley Sea
Yeah we're in San Fran now. Spent the day just mulling around the Wharf and taking a cruise around the Bay. Tomorrow we're heading into the Streets of San Fran. Then on to Sequoia National Park. Just catching a breather at the Hotel room tonight.

288 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:15:59pm

re: #282 Mich-again

My experience is that the more a person boasts about being a Christian, the less their actions demonstrate it. Better to stay humble and let your deeds speak for you.

"Let the right hand know not what the left is doing."

289 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:16:33pm

re: #283 engineer dog

Traitor!
///

290 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:17:28pm

re: #283 engineer dog
I was blown away by how good the Mexican food was in LA. Even from the dumpy looking taco stands in North Hollywood. So much better than the Mexican food back in Detroit. Not even close.

291 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:17:38pm

re: #287 Mich-again

Yeah we're in San Fran now. Spent the day just mulling around the Wharf and taking a cruise around the Bay. Tomorrow we're heading into the Streets of San Fran. Then on to Sequoia National Park. Just catching a breather at the Hotel room tonight.

China Town in SF. A must. Buy everything you like, you will be so bummed later when you think about the stuff you will never see anywhere else that was cheap and you hesitated. That's my story, and I've been there probably 8 times!!!!! Then onto nature!

292 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:17:42pm

I think that scars, birthmarks, and sun damage are interesting enough.

293 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:18:43pm

re: #286 RadicalModerate

Personally not a big fan of tattoos (and to a lesser extent piercings) primarily because of the fact that they are, by design, permanent. I have a female friend who is going to have an interesting time about 20 years from now trying to explain the "Hello Kitty" tattoo she got when she was in college a few years ago, and don't want to see myself in a similar situation.

I like piercings. I really would love a nose piercing. Just a tiny, itsy, bitsy dot of something. But my job would probably frown on it. I like the eyebrow too.

294 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:18:44pm

re: #280 Irenicum

I notice a lot of girls get one at the base of their spine just above their buttcrack. Naughty girls. :D

295 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:18:46pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea
Thanks for the tip.. We'll head out there tomorrow.

296 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:19:10pm

re: #292 prairiefire

I think that scars, birthmarks, and sun damage are interesting enough.

rofl! God's tattoos eh?

297 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:20:09pm

re: #290 Mich-again

Well think about. It's so much closer to the source. Just makes sense. I had a similar experience at a Mexican restaurant in Fennville, Michigan. The waitress didn't speak a word of English, but boy was that food fantastic!

298 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:21:32pm

re: #294 Boogberg

A few girls I know have that. I have the nearly irresistible urge to be like a submarine and dive, dive, dive!

299 Stanghazi  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:22:21pm

OK, I've decided to get a really good night's sleep tonight. Lovely.

See you later!!

300 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:22:30pm

My only problem with tattoos is that they make doing clandestine work for the CIA more difficult.

...

I've said too much.

301 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:23:44pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Crap, is it already that late?

302 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:23:46pm

re: #298 Irenicum

A few girls I know have that. I have the nearly irresistible urge to be like a submarine and dive, dive, dive!

I think this is rather clever. NSFW

[Link: lh4.ggpht.com...]

303 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:24:24pm

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

My only problem with tattoos is that they make doing clandestine work for the CIA more difficult.

...

I've said too much.

I really dug the spy swap today. i bet those Russians were bummed to leave Suburbia. We get 4 in return for 10. One of the fellows helped to arrest Richard Hansen.

304 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:24:39pm

re: #302 marjoriemoon

I just bust a gut laughing! I love it!

305 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:25:20pm

re: #303 prairiefire

We definitely got a good deal today in the spy swap.

306 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:25:54pm

re: #304 Irenicum

I just bust a gut laughing! I love it!

I should suggest it for Reine. She was looking for something tiny hehe

307 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:26:08pm

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

I thought about doing that back in 01. Still tempts me.

308 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:26:36pm

re: #298 Irenicum

A few girls I know have that. I have the nearly irresistible urge to be like a submarine and dive, dive, dive!

Well that, plus there's one of two orifices nearby. :D

309 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:26:41pm

re: #306 marjoriemoon

I bet she'd love it.

310 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:27:29pm

I have to be up at 8, so I'm going to sing off now. Sleep well, all.

311 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:27:37pm

re: #305 Irenicum

We definitely got a good deal today in the spy swap.

I told my pops, "Can you imagine any of those people strapping a bomb on to blow themselves up?" He said "Oh no, they all wanted to be suburbanites."

312 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:27:57pm

re: #286 RadicalModerate

Personally not a big fan of tattoos (and to a lesser extent piercings) primarily because of the fact that they are, by design, permanent. I have a female friend who is going to have an interesting time about 20 years from now trying to explain the "Hello Kitty" tattoo she got when she was in college a few years ago, and don't want to see myself in a similar situation.

Haku is tattooed on my left shoulder, in the curled-up sleeping dog position, along with a ring inscription from a Portuguese song that means "it's no disgrace to be poor, it's no disgrace to be crazy".

Song here:

Youtube Video

I got the tattoo in Jerusalem's old city.

313 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:28:23pm

re: #308 Boogberg

I'm surprised they haven't come up with a show by that name on cable, The Orifice.

314 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:29:40pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

I like it, I like it a lot. (channeling voice of Lloyd)

315 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:30:42pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

I have to be up at 8, so I'm going to sing off now. Sleep well, all.


singing off sounds like much more fun than signing off...

316 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:31:07pm

re: #311 prairiefire

Your pops has it right. And boy are they screwed back in Mother Russia.

317 Mich-again  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:32:58pm

re: #297 Irenicum
Fennville? Never heard of that place. Maybe you could point to the approximate spot on your left palm, the old Michigan Mapquest. Ha.

318 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:33:14pm

re: #316 Irenicum

Your pops has it right. And boy are they screwed back in Mother Russia.

I feel sorry for the American born children who's only purpose was a cover. I don't know what happened to them.

Night, lizards.

319 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:33:52pm

re: #315 engineer dog

singing off sounds like much more fun than signing off...

hehe Ok, I'll sing off now too!

Youtube Video

Niters Lizards.

320 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:34:03pm

re: #313 Irenicum

Yeah, imagine the rating on that one. NSFWPG14LSVXXX

321 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:36:39pm

re: #317 Mich-again

Ha. Yeah, it's a tiny little hick town just south of Holland, Michgan, about halfway between K'zoo and G.R. Lotsa disfunction there but I love that town. Miss it a ton.

322 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:38:02pm

re: #320 Boogberg

It would have to be featured on Skinamax if not more.

323 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:39:34pm

re: #319 marjoriemoon

Classic! Sweet mystery of life at last I've found you! WOOF!

324 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:40:51pm

re: #314 Irenicum

I like it, I like it a lot. (channeling voice of Lloyd)

In Portuguese it reads:

Não é desgraça ser pobre,
não é desgraça ser louca.

Amália remains a great undiscovered star in America. Her song, her stature, her dignity, her composure, her pride, her youth, her age, all stand with the greatest of human vocal achievements, and her legacy, if aught that the female voice has revealed of the divine to the mind of man deserves to live, deserves to live.

325 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:41:19pm

re: #318 prairiefire

They're in Russia now. I can't imagine what it's like for them. Must be confusing as hell. I half wonder if we've now recruited them? Nothing would surprise me.

326 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:47:15pm

re: #324 Cato the Elder

Indeed. Beautiful in every way.

327 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:50:32pm

And with that I bid y'all a bonne nuit.

328 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 10:54:24pm

re: #326 Irenicum

Indeed. Beautiful in every way.

Well, here's some more, then:

Youtube Video

"Cansaço." With Don Byas on sax.

329 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:08:22pm

re: #328 Cato the Elder

Very nice. Very emotional.

330 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:24:09pm

Here is what an anti-fascist revolution can look like.

In Portugal in 1974, they did it with carnations.

Never forget.

Their song:

Youtube Video
331 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:25:29pm

Now that I have the site to myself, I'm tempted to cuss out the lotta ya. :D

332 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:28:40pm

Adriano Celentano – Prisencolinensinainciusol

Youtube Video

Gibberish designed to approximate what American English sounds like to foreigners.

We sound awesome!

333 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:29:05pm

re: #331 Boogberg

Behave yerself. You've already been timed out. Don't want to make it worse. You can be obnoxious but I like what you have to say.

334 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:30:58pm

re: #330 Cato the Elder

A beautiful vision indeed. Gives me chills.

335 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:31:08pm

re: #333 Irenicum

!0-4. This music is very good.

336 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:41:14pm

And in response to an earlier post, here's one of my favorite songs of all time...Wharf Rat.

Youtube Video
337 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:42:29pm

I think I need unfinished stuff from Franz Schubert.

338 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:44:24pm

Who is this little dervish girl
Dancing under the moon?
Come! I will anoint your hair
And your breasts with sweet oil,
And feed you spiced lamb and saffron rice.
All you have to do is get up
And dance for me again.

--Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

339 ryannon  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:46:17pm

MS-13: Music & Tats: vamos a morir/no future

Youtube Video
340 Boogberg  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:47:37pm

re: #338 Cato the Elder

That ain't bad.

341 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:50:32pm

re: #338 Cato the Elder

Downright Song of Solomon-ish.

342 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:52:19pm

re: #118 tnguitarist

I lived this past winter in Buffalo. Holy shit.

That was a mild one, according to my college best friend, who lives there.

I spent my early childhood in B-flo. Making snow tunnels on the front lawn, sliding down the snow piles on our cul-de-sac to see if we could make it all the way across the circle. Shoveling parties. My whole family laughs at people here in SW Ohio who complain about the winter weather--"This is NOTHING!"

OTOH, summer in Buffalo is beautiful; more's the pity that it's only about 2 months long at the most.

re: #114 tnguitarist

I laugh when I hear the Northeast whine about the heat. They should try a good muggy, Southern summer.

Thanks, but I've tried it and hated it. It explains some things about Southern politics, though.

re: #294 Boogberg

I notice a lot of girls get one at the base of their spine just above their buttcrack. Naughty girls. :D

The "tramp stamp", an almost certain sign that if you make it with her, you're sharing what was in the bodily fluids (precious or not) of many others.

I've considered getting a very small tattoo, either some kind of USA star (like the ones on WWII planes) or the Hebrew for "go f*** yourself".

343 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 9, 2010 11:59:37pm

re: #341 Irenicum

Downright Song of Solomon-ish.

He was a friend of mine.

344 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:00:04am

re: #343 Cato the Elder

You fogie you.

345 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:02:44am

re: #339 ryannon

MS-13: Music & Tats: vamos a morir/no future


[Video]

Ryannon,

You may think this shit is cool but it is not. MS-13 is a ruthless gang who would kill you and your entire family over gang shit. Don't think they wouldn't do it.

346 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:04:26am

re: #343 Cato the Elder

And a randy fogie too.

347 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:07:50am

Black Peter.

Youtube Video
348 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:08:13am

Random Malcolm Lowry quote for the night:

"He had few emotions about the war, save that it was bad. Ah well! One side or the other would win. And in either case life would be hard."

From Under the Volcano, the hero of which has long been my model for alcoholic dissolution and death. Along with Li Po, of course.

349 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:09:08am

re: #345 Boogberg

Ryannon,

You may think this shit is cool but it is not. MS-13 is a ruthless gang who would kill you and your entire family over gang shit. Don't think they wouldn't do it.

Did he say he thought "this shit" was cool? Tattoos are an established topic of discussion in this thread, no? Smoke some weed, chill the hell out.

350 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:17:17am

re: #349 goddamnedfrank

Fine. All I'm saying is stay far away from those gangsters. Music included.

351 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:18:04am

花間一壺酒。 A pot of wine, under the flowering trees.
獨酌無相親。 I drink alone, for no friend is near.
舉杯邀明月。 Raising my cup I beckon the bright moon,
對影成三人。 For she, with my shadow, will make three people.

月既不解飲。 The moon, alas, is no drinker of wine.
影徒隨我身。 Listless, my shadow creeps about at my side.
暫伴月將影。 Yet with the moon as friend and the shadow as slave
行樂須及春。 I must make merry before Spring is spent.

我歌月徘徊。 To the songs I sing the moon flickers her beams.
我舞影零亂。 In the dance I weave my shadow tangles and breaks.
醒時同交歡。 While we were sober, three shared the fun.
醉後各分散。 Now we are drunk, each goes their way.
永結無情遊。 May we long share our eternal friendship,
相期邈雲漢。 And meet at last in Paradise.

352 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:19:28am

re: #350 Boogberg

Agreed. Tats are cool. Their shit isn't.

353 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:21:00am

re: #351 Cato the Elder

I may just have to fav this post. Primarily for tattoo purposes.

354 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:24:25am

re: #351 Cato the Elder

晚安。對於實, Good night, for real.

355 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:43:37am

Tattoos give the Government an iron clad way to identify your ass. Being the dumbasses you are, you probably didn't think of that. Go on ahead though, geniuses.

356 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:52:04am

Bagua Channel

Oakland riots and looting after Officer Meserle Verdict.

Youtube Video
357 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:01:19am

re: #345 Boogberg

Ryannon,

You may think this shit is cool but it is not. MS-13 is a ruthless gang who would kill you and your entire family over gang shit. Don't think they wouldn't do it.

Fascism of the Progs = Fascism of the Wingnuts.

Same Soup, Different Nazis.

Image: obey.jpg

358 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:05:05am

re: #356 Bagua

There's gotta be a way to stop that nonsense once and for all.

359 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:05:25am

MS-13 members arrested in Houston,Texas

Youtube Video

This TV report claims there are 10 to 15 groups of these gangs members in Houston

360 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:05:41am

re: #356 Bagua

Bagua Channel

Oakland riots and looting after Officer Meserle Verdict.


[Video]


Bagua, you may think this is interesting, but it's not. It projects a negative image of our youth and is contrary to Prog GroupThinK. Take it down, or else.

361 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:10:47am

re: #358 Boogberg

There's gotta be a way to stop that nonsense once and for all.

There is a status quo in operation in which the rioters protesters know they are likely to avoid arrest. I only read of less than 90 people arrested.

362 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:14:02am

re: #361 Bagua

What about those audio things from the whale show?

363 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:15:46am

re: #361 Bagua

There is a status quo in operation in which the rioters protesters know they are likely to avoid arrest. I only read of less than 90 people arrested.

Officer Mehserle's handwritten letter of apology to the family:

"For now, and forever I will live, breathe, sleep and not sleep with the memory of Mr. Grant screaming 'You shot me' and me putting my hands on the bullet wound, thinking the pressure would help while I kept telling him 'You'll be okay,' " Mehserle wrote in the letter, dated Sunday."

Yet he gets off with "involuntary manslaughter".

I would riot too.

Fucking pigs.

364 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:17:51am

Tattooed MS-13 Illegal Alien Whales Calling For Riots in San Francisco Bay.

Hide the women and children:

Youtube Video
365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:22:50am

re: #358 Boogberg

There's gotta be a way to stop that nonsense once and for all.

Once and for all, huh?

366 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:23:42am

Oh, my living God, some dumpsters got burnt.

How tragic.

367 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:25:16am

re: #362 Boogberg

What about those audio things from the whale show?

The Police were using minimal force. It did not appear that they were using tear gas, but rather smoke. They held baton but I've not seen video of them using them, rather they performed normal arrests.

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:25:48am

re: #360 ryannon

Bagua, you may think this is interesting, but it's not. It projects a negative image of our youth and is contrary to Prog GroupThinK. Take it down, or else.

yes well

369 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:26:37am

Jeepers. It looks like the CHiPS are down.

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:26:44am

re: #366 Cato the Elder

Oh, my living God, some dumpsters got burnt.

How tragic.

L@@K! SOME1 SHUD DO SOMETING 1NCE AND 4 ALL!11

371 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:27:24am

re: #368 WindUpBird

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:27:42am

re: #361 Bagua

There is a status quo in operation in which the rioters protesters know they are likely to avoid arrest. I only read of less than 90 people arrested.

how many broken windows is a human life worth?

373 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:29:13am

re: #372 WindUpBird

how many broken windows is a human life worth?

What do you mean?

374 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:30:04am

re: #373 Bagua

How many broken windows/dead people in this demo?

375 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:30:11am

Where is Erik Estrada when you need him?

376 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:33:04am

re: #375 Cato the Elder

Where is Erik Estrada when you need him?

Yeah, well where's anything when you need it.

377 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:33:05am

re: #366 Cato the Elder

Oh, my living God, some dumpsters got burnt.

How tragic.

You have no idea of what you speak of Cato..
This is one of the worst spots in America..I've been to the Fruitvale BART station..and if you look at someone wrong..You could get shot...It's not playschool there..
I'm conflicted with this case...
First the officer claimed he pulled out his gun instead of a Taser to shoot the guy.. OK..Honest mistake in the middle of effen hell in Oakland..
The Video shows the officer pulling out his Taser..then putting it back..Pulling out his gun and shooting a man in the back...Seems like murder to me but in downtown Oakland just another day in the neighborhood...

378 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:34:46am

re: #377 HoosierHoops

You have no idea of what you speak of Cato..
This is one of the worst spots in America..I've been to the Fruitvale BART station..and if you look at someone wrong..You could get shot...It's not playschool there..
I'm conflicted with this case...
First the officer claimed he pulled out his gun instead of a Taser to shoot the guy.. OK..Honest mistake in the middle of effen hell in Oakland..
The Video shows the officer pulling out his Taser..then putting it back..Pulling out his gun and shooting a man in the back...Seems like murder to me but in downtown Oakland just another day in the neighborhood...

Obviously you have never spent any time in Baltimore.

"Just another day in the neighborhood"?

Then they need new cops.

379 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:35:17am

re: #374 ryannon

How many broken windows/dead people in this demo?

I didn't see any reports of fatalities. One thing I thought dangerous was the use of M something fireworks. In confusion and darkness that could be mistaken for gunfire. In one video a small group of police were holding thier ground nervously and someone was saying, "Shoot the cop."

380 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:36:44am

re: #377 HoosierHoops

You have no idea of what you speak of Cato..
This is one of the worst spots in America..I've been to the Fruitvale BART station..and if you look at someone wrong..You could get shot...It's not playschool there..
I'm conflicted with this case...
First the officer claimed he pulled out his gun instead of a Taser to shoot the guy.. OK..Honest mistake in the middle of effen hell in Oakland..
The Video shows the officer pulling out his Taser..then putting it back..Pulling out his gun and shooting a man in the back...Seems like murder to me but in downtown Oakland just another day in the neighborhood...

You're right about the neighborhood, Hoops, and I understand got some conflicting feelings about this story. But still, the role of the LEOs should be to turn up the heat but no add to the hell, no?

381 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:38:19am

The world-famous American War on Poor People continues.

"Hey, I know, let's make Thunderbird illegal!"

382 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:38:29am

re: #379 Bagua

I didn't see any reports of fatalities. One thing I thought dangerous was the use of M something fireworks. In confusion and darkness that could be mistaken for gunfire. In one video a small group of police were holding thier ground nervously and someone was saying, "Shoot the cop."

They're doing a job and a half out there. I commend them for their restraint.

383 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:38:56am

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Obviously you have never spent any time in Baltimore.

"Just another day in the neighborhood"?

Then they need new cops.

You know..I have never been to Baltimore...But I was TDY in Alameda for awhile and I know Fruitvale is a bad ass place to commute through..
You don't make eye contact with anyone there..
/Why the hell did I wake up at 4am wide awake?

384 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:41:10am

re: #380 ryannon

PIMF (it's talk like an illegal alien day for me):

You're right about the neighborhood, Hoops, and I understand that you've got some conflicting feelings about this story. But still, the role of the LEOs should be to turn up the heat but not add to the hell, no?

385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:41:21am

re: #381 Cato the Elder

The world-famous American War on Poor People continues.

"Hey, I know, let's make Thunderbird illegal!"

Get a job, schizophrenic guy who's on the street because the respite home he was in closed down! Goddamn freeloaders!

386 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:41:32am

re: #377 HoosierHoops

You have no idea of what you speak of Cato..
This is one of the worst spots in America..I've been to the Fruitvale BART station..and if you look at someone wrong..You could get shot...It's not playschool there..
I'm conflicted with this case...
First the officer claimed he pulled out his gun instead of a Taser to shoot the guy.. OK..Honest mistake in the middle of effen hell in Oakland..
The Video shows the officer pulling out his Taser..then putting it back..Pulling out his gun and shooting a man in the back...Seems like murder to me but in downtown Oakland just another day in the neighborhood...

I have rather mixed opinions about this: we are sending underpaid, undertrained, overworked copy out into one of the worst neighborhoods in the the nation and expecting them to be held up to standards higher than the rest of us.

I think that in a case like this, there is no "right" call on whether it was murder, manslaughter or just poor policework.

387 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:42:35am

copy? cops....

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:42:53am

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Obviously you have never spent any time in Baltimore.

"Just another day in the neighborhood"?

Then they need new cops.

God knows everybody needs
A hand in their decision
Some of us are not so sure
I seen his own held out
For a ride on television
I think he's still in Baltimore

-Sisters of Mercy, Something Fast

Youtube Video
389 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:43:02am

re: #382 ryannon

They're doing a job and a half out there. I commend them for their restraint.

Toughest Job in America
Oakland policeman
Hell I almost got car jacked on 98th once

390 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:43:04am

re: #383 HoosierHoops

You know..I have never been to Baltimore...But I was TDY in Alameda for awhile and I know Fruitvale is a bad ass place to commute through..
You don't make eye contact with anyone there..
/Why the hell did I wake up at 4am wide awake?

Because there's an Ufo right outside, hovering over your yard. Check it out and get back to us - if you can.

391 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:44:40am

re: #376 ryannon

Yeah, well where's anything when you need it.

1. I need a piss.

2. I need a beer.

:D

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:45:26am

re: #386 ralphieboy

I have rather mixed opinions about this: we are sending underpaid, undertrained, overworked copy out into one of the worst neighborhoods in the the nation and expecting them to be held up to standards higher than the rest of us.

I think that in a case like this, there is no "right" call on whether it was murder, manslaughter or just poor policework.

It'd be nice if cops had twice as much training, and were paid twice as much to deal with this stuff.


LOW TAXE3S!11!1e34c

393 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:45:47am

re: #382 ryannon

They're doing a job and a half out there. I commend them for their restraint.

It is interesting to contrast how the different cities handle these incidents. From the videos I saw it looked like the police used restraint.

What I didn't understand was why the protesters were so angry at the Foot Locker store. Why single it out to smash up and loot?

394 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:46:02am

re: #390 ryannon

Because there's an Ufo right outside, hovering over your yard. Check it out and get back to us - if you can.

Look at the pretty lights Winston!
/Why do these aliens keep trying to shove a probe up my butt?
//

395 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:46:36am

re: #383 HoosierHoops

You know..I have never been to Baltimore...But I was TDY in Alameda for awhile and I know Fruitvale is a bad ass place to commute through..
You don't make eye contact with anyone there..
/Why the hell did I wake up at 4am wide awake?

I make eye contact with everyone, all the time, wherever I go, whatever the time.

It's always served me well.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:46:42am

re: #393 Bagua

It is interesting to contrast how the different cities handle these incidents. From the videos I saw it looked like the police used restraint.

What I didn't understand was why the protesters were so angry at the Foot Locker store. Why single it out to smash up and loot?

because nobody's ever been angry and done anything irrational in anger, that never ever happens, it's a totally new and unbelievably rare thing

397 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:51:29am

re: #396 WindUpBird

The protesters hate $100 shoes.

398 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:51:56am

re: #389 HoosierHoops

Toughest Job in America
Oakland policeman
Hell I almost got car jacked on 98th once

A few years ago, my Parisian girlfriend, well-bred and convent-educated, and never having visited the U.S. before, flew over to SFO to meet me in Sausalito. Picked up the yellow Mustang convertible I had reserved and found herself at eleven pm in one of those hoods in....Oakland! Had enough sense to pull into a service station. Groups of, well, homies eying her like she had come from another planet. Tried to get directions from the station attendant behind two inches of bullet-proof glass. Couldn't understand a word of what he way trying to tell her. A police cruiser rolled past, made a U-turn and came back. Got out, walked over to her and told her she was in a war-zone.

They escorted her back, all the way to the ramp of the Bay Bridge....

399 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:52:41am

re: #391 Boogberg

1. I need a piss.

2. I need a beer.

:D

From your lips to God's ear.

400 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:53:45am

re: #330 Cato the Elder

Here is what an anti-fascist revolution can look like.

In Portugal in 1974, they did it with carnations.

Never forget.

Their song:


[Video]

You know Grândola, Vila Morena? You never cease to amaze me, dude.

401 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:55:21am

re: #395 Cato the Elder

I make eye contact with everyone, all the time, wherever I go, whatever the time.

It's always served me well.

You know we have alot of Muslims in town cause one of the largest Charities have some kind of Mosque in the Cornfields.. I've posted the link to it here..
It's funny cause when I shop for food there are always lots of Muslim woman there and I always say hi..There will never look me in the eyes and never say a word.. I'm a friendly guy and know it drives them insane...You can feel the shock when you walk by and say HI! I think it really bothers them..
Now Cato..When I say you don't make eye contact at Fruitvale I mean most people don't...I'm sure you make eye contact with everybody..And you know me..I'm not shy...

402 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:55:48am

re: #397 Boogberg

The protesters hate $100 shoes.

Just common, irrational sneaker rage.

403 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:57:20am

re: #400 Nimed

You know Grândola, Vila Morena? You never cease to amaze me, dude.

Know it?

Hell, we used to sing it in the college Glee Club.

I'm a tranzi prog, what can I say?

404 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:57:29am

re: #398 ryannon

A few years ago, my Parisian girlfriend, well-bred and convent-educated, and never having visited the U.S. before, flew over to SFO to meet me in Sausalito. Picked up the yellow Mustang convertible I had reserved and found herself at eleven pm in one of those hoods in...Oakland! Had enough sense to pull into a service station. Groups of, well, homies eying her like she had come from another planet. Tried to get directions from the station attendant behind two inches of bullet-proof glass. Couldn't understand a word of what he way trying to tell her. A police cruiser rolled past, made a U-turn and came back. Got out, walked over to her and told her she was in a war-zone.

They escorted her back, all the way to the ramp of the Bay Bridge...

Wow! great story...She is so lucky...

405 windsagio  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:57:46am

EVO report!
I was 2 and out, but in the hardest pool out of 5000 plus players. A ton of top players got destroyed by this Taiwanese guy... Still having a hell of a good time but my buddies fiance seems a bit overwhelmed. More tomorrow after tekken. PS, I cant do carriage returns on my phone. Peace and love!!!

406 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 1:58:54am

I will take Haku and walk down any ten-block stretch of street in any town anywhere in America, on a bet, and make eye contact all the way.

Name your place, time, and wager.

407 [deleted]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:00:39am
408 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:01:17am

re: #404 HoosierHoops

Wow! great story...She is so lucky...

Damn straight. Where angels fear to tread

409 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:03:55am

re: #406 Cato the Elder

I will take Haku and walk down any ten-block stretch of street in any town anywhere in America, on a bet, and make eye contact all the way.

Name your place, time, and wager.

What bluster..
2 9mm shells in Oakland cost 50 cents..
There is a time and place to play the tough guy..And a time to be humble in an environment...
5am Cato..Why are we up?

410 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:06:06am

re: #395 Cato the Elder

I make eye contact with everyone, all the time, wherever I go, whatever the time.

It's always served me well.

Making eye contact can be considered essential. In reality, not making eye contact is a general indicator of fear. A criminal will typically prey on the most fearful.

411 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:06:57am

re: #407 Boogberg

Guys! You shouldn't be looking at Muslim women. This is serious shit in the Muslim world. Get a fucking clue already.

Dude. There's looking (leering) and looking. (eye contact).

It's considered normal in the U.S. It's not a lack of cultural sensitivity. Used to be, in many places in the South, a black man could get lynched for looking at a white woman. They weren't supposed to. It was serious shit in that world. But it doesn't make it right.

412 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:08:31am

re: #407 Boogberg

Guys! You shouldn't be looking at Muslim women. This is serious shit in the Muslim world. Get a fucking clue already.

Freaking cute also.. I say Hi to all of them at Krogers...I know it shocks them but after a few years...They know what is coming..Not once..And I mean not freaking once after a couple years saying hi to the same woman have I ever once had one lady say hi back...
At this point..I fell I need to break one before I leave here and a muslim woman say hi back...

413 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:13:11am

re: #401 HoosierHoops

There are cornfields in Oakland?

414 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:14:05am

Dudes. I don't think you understand how serious this shit is. Don't EVER look a Muslim woman in the eyes. It doesn't mean they're superior, it's their custom.

415 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:14:29am

re: #413 Bagua

There are cornfields in Oakland?

LOL I'm in Indiana right now.. I'm from Napa Valley.. I move again shortly for my job

416 Bagua  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:17:45am

re: #415 HoosierHoops

LOL I'm in Indiana right now.. I'm from Napa Valley.. I move again shortly for my job

Ah, makes more sense now. I was looking at the map wondering where they were farming.

417 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:18:49am

re: #414 Boogberg

Dudes. I don't think you understand how serious this shit is. Don't EVER look a Muslim woman in the eyes. It doesn't mean they're superior, it's their custom.

You must be joking. I have mind tea or whatever at a little café run by an Algerian woman. It's like the U.N. there, version North and sub-Saharan Africa and points East. Everybody looks everybody in the eye, including the women. And they are all practicing Muslims.

418 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:19:20am

re: #409 HoosierHoops

What bluster..
2 9mm shells in Oakland cost 50 cents..
There is a time and place to play the tough guy..And a time to be humble in an environment...
5am Cato..Why are we up?

Man up.

Name the place and time.

I will walk ten blocks through any neighborhood in America, with my dawg, and come out with new friends.

419 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:19:23am

re: #417 ryannon

PIMF:

You must be joking. I have mint tea or whatever at a little café run by an Algerian woman. It's like the U.N. there, version North and sub-Saharan Africa and points East. Everybody looks everybody in the eye, including the women. And they are all practicing Muslims.
420 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:19:33am

re: #403 Cato the Elder

Know it?

Hell, we used to sing it in the college Glee Club.

I'm a tranzi prog, what can I say?

:)
From one tranzi prog to another.

Youtube Video
421 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:20:31am

re: #416 Bagua

Ah, makes more sense now. I was looking at the map wondering where they were farming.

I'm a California Guy.. Born and raised.. I work for a Company out of Silly Cone Valley... I'm moving again soon...

422 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:21:46am

re: #414 Boogberg

Wait a minute. You're posting from Afghanistan, right?

423 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:25:09am

re: #418 Cato the Elder

Man up.

Name the place and time.

I will walk ten blocks through any neighborhood in America, with my dawg, and come out with new friends.

I don't doubt it...

424 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:29:51am

re: #422 ryannon

Wait a minute. You're posting from Afghanistan, right?

No, this is just what I've understood. Individual results may vary, of course.

425 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:31:27am

re: #423 HoosierHoops

I don't doubt it...

And I will sing this song as I go, and explain it to all and sundry, and dance as I walk with Haku the magic dog.

Youtube Video
426 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:33:15am

Musical interlude: Samira Said & Cheb Mami - Youm Wara Youm

Youtube Video
427 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:33:16am

Can't sleep. Ugh.

428 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:34:16am

re: #427 tnguitarist

Can't sleep. Ugh.

i know the feeling.. :)

429 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:36:32am

re: #428 boxhead

My dog is snoring louder than a freight train. Not helping.

430 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:36:56am

re: #425 Cato the Elder

And I will sing this song as I go, and explain it to all and sundry, and dance as I walk with Haku the magic dog.


[Video]

I'm sad about Winston.. Remember when I had a doggie play date I had with a young lady here? I have to go to Oklahoma for 2 weeks to start the project..
She is going to watch Winston for 2 weeks while I'm gone to set up home and do the start up..
My dear little Dog will think I left him...I'm going to break his heart and he doesn't know it yet...And he is sleeping on my lap right now.. Poor little Winston..

431 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:37:05am

Is it international Saturday morning? What's up with the unusual music?

432 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:37:55am

re: #429 tnguitarist

My dog is snoring louder than a freight train. Not helping.

LOL.... When I do sleep I am pretty fricking loud. My dog manages to sleep just fine!

433 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:40:17am

re: #430 HoosierHoops

What the heck? My dog's name is Winston!

434 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:41:38am

re: #433 tnguitarist

What the heck? My dog's name is Winston!

Now that is great!

435 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:42:23am

re: #431 Boogberg

Is it international Saturday morning? What's up with the unusual music?

Have another. :D

Youtube Video
436 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:43:08am

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Winston

437 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:45:15am

Talk to him, Hoops, as I'm sure you do already. Explain the situation to him and tell him that you love him and are coming right back. And that in the meantime, he'll be with the charming young woman and her canine companion that he already met a few weeks ago. Animals understand intention, even if they don't understand the words. And Winston is surely totally tuned into you. It may not totally lessen the pain of separation, but it will help immensely.

And imagine this: Winston has a great holiday, totally enjoys himself, and greets you like a happy kid on your return. It can happen.

438 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:46:40am

re: #436 tnguitarist

Winston

Image: churchill.jpg

That name was so well-chosen, it's scary.

439 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:46:52am

re: #431 Boogberg

Is it international Saturday morning? What's up with the unusual music?

It's usual for the people who listen to it.

Youtube Video
440 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:47:25am

re: #436 tnguitarist

Winston

What a handsome boy!
A buddy of mine rescued Winston and dumped him on me..I have never had a pet in my life.. And now I have a completely spoiled Beverly Hills Chihuahua living with me..What a pian.. See my Avatar for his pic

441 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:49:34am

re: #437 ryannon

You effen rock!
Thanks

442 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:50:38am

re: #440 HoosierHoops

I love any and all dogs. My grandma had a chihuahua that lived for 21 years!

443 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:51:12am

More music from Shajarian, with words by Rumi (you all know Rumi, don't you?):

Youtube Video
444 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:51:42am

I love my mutt too. He knows when I am on my way home!

445 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:54:07am

re: #438 Nimed

Image: churchill.jpg

That name was so well-chosen, it's scary.

His middle name is Bullfrog. It fits too, almost like he knows.

446 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:54:23am

I'm listening to Klause Shulze. Reminds me of Tangerine Dream.

447 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:55:44am

re: #444 boxhead

I love my mutt too. He knows when I am on my way home!

Winston is easily the most loyal dog I've ever owned. It borders on codependency.

448 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:56:53am

The books piled on my dressers, night tables, shelves,
Floors, coffee tables, settees, ottomans, sofas, and everywhere
Gather dust.

I let the dust be, as I am a creature of dust. What have I to do with cleaning?

Every time I take one up it tells me how long it's been, by the dust on its cover.

I blow it off until I blow it off.

Patiently, they wait until my thirst reawakens.

--Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

449 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:57:04am

re: #443 Cato the Elder

More music from Shajarian, with words by Rumi (you all know Rumi, don't you?):


[Video]

You've already linked that video. :)

450 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:58:36am

Get rid of the cats (parasites). Get dogs. Their social! :D

451 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:59:09am

re: #446 Boogberg

Steve Reich's my man:

Youtube Video
452 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:59:26am

re: #442 tnguitarist

I love any and all dogs. My grandma had a chihuahua that lived for 21 years!

I love Winston.. But It's kind of weird having a pet.. You have to get used to the idea of a dog following you everywhere you go..He doesn't get the concept of jogging..He has to smell every piece of grass...
It used to be unnerving to have a dog follow you to the bathroom to watch you pee..You learn to shut the door on him with one hand and control the spray with the other.. Pain in the butt..

453 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:59:34am

re: #450 Boogberg

Get rid of the cats (parasites). Get dogs. Their social! :D

Not a problem, I'm allergic.

454 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:59:39am

re: #447 tnguitarist

Little Bear is my doggie. My avatar is his pic. He is my second son... heh

455 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:00:12am

re: #452 HoosierHoops

lol

456 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:00:27am

re: #449 Nimed

You've already linked that video. :)

I know. I often repeat myself.

457 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:01:09am

re: #456 Cato the Elder

I know. I often repeat myself.

alcohol does that

458 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:01:28am

re: #452 HoosierHoops

I've always owned dogs. Mostly pets, but a few working dogs.

459 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:02:21am

re: #457 boxhead

alcohol does that

So does love.

من از کجا پند از کجا باده بگردان ساقیا
آن جام جان افزای را برریز بر جان ساقیا

بر دست من نه جام جان ای دستگیر عاشقان
دور از لب بیگانگان پیش آر پنهان ساقیا

نانی بده نان خواره را آن طامع بیچاره را
آن عاشق نانباره را کنجی بخسبان ساقیا

ای جان جان جان جان ما نامدیم از بهر نان
برجه گدارویی مکن در بزم سلطان ساقیا

اول بگیر آن جام مه بر کفه آن پیر نه
چون مست گردد پیر ده رو سوی مستان ساقیا
رو سخت کن ای مرتجا مست از کجا شرم از کجا
ور شرم داری یک قدح بر شرم افشان ساقیا

برخیز ای ساقی بیا ای دشمن شرم و حیا
تا بخت ما خندان شود پیش آی خندان ساقیا

460 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:03:24am

re: #459 Cato the Elder

whoa! not sure i can read that... recipe for humus?

461 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:03:39am

re: #458 tnguitarist

I've always owned dogs. Mostly pets, but a few working dogs.


It's not often you see those two words next to each other...
Winston is lazy and spoiled...I still love the little guy

462 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:05:12am

re: #450 Boogberg

Get rid of the cats (parasites). Get dogs. Their They're social! :D

Any reason why you felt compelled to let us know about your displeasure with cats? They're not parasites by the way. They're predators.

463 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:05:41am

re: #461 HoosierHoops

It's not often you see those two words next to each other...
Winston is lazy and spoiled...I still love the little guy

They were all farm dogs. Their "work" consists of sitting there under the shade making sure nothing gets to our animals.

464 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:06:11am

re: #451 ryannon

Not too shabby. :)

Along those lines, I really like Yanni. Saw him in Orlando.

465 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:09:34am

re: #462 Gus 802

Fuck! I hardly ever fuck up with the theres.

466 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:12:15am

re: #459 Cato the Elder

So does love.

من از کجا پند از کجا باده بگردان ساقیا
آن جام جان افزای را برریز بر جان ساقیا

بر دست من نه جام جان ای دستگیر عاشقان
دور از لب بیگانگا& #1606; پیش آر پنهان ساقیا

نانی بده نان خواره را آن طامع بیچاره را
آن عاشق نانباره را کنجی بخسبان ساقیا

ای جان جان جان جان ما نامدیم از بهر نان
برجه گدارویی مکن در بزم سلطان ساقیا

اول بگیر آن جام مه بر کفه آن پیر نه
چون مست گردد پیر ده رو سوی مستان ساقیا
رو سخت کن ای مرتجا مست از کجا شرم از کجا
ور شرم داری یک قدح بر شرم افشان ساقیا

برخیز ای ساقی بیا ای دشمن شرم و حیا
تا بخت ما خندان شود پیش آی خندان ساقیا

Where to remember where I turn wine Saqya
The cup to John Afzay Brryz John Saqya

On my hands, not John's cup lovers
Away from the lip before Byganga R. hidden Saqya
Give bread to the bread Khvarh poor Tam
It loves to Nanbarh Knjy Bkhsban Saqya

A John John John John We Namdym of bread though
Witches do not Gdarvyy Brjh in Sultan Saqya

Take the first Cup in May on the pan, not old
Be drunk, because the old days back Mastan Saqya
So hard to find a drunk Mrtja Where shame Where
Shame on you tip a bowl shame Inkjet Saqya

Go Down, Come butler enemy shame and modesty
Lucky us to be smiling before smiling Saqya I.

467 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:13:25am

re: #462 Gus 802

howdy Gus.... why are we always on so late? :)

468 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:15:14am

re: #467 boxhead

howdy Gus... why are we always on so late? :)

Hey Boxhead. I was lying in my futon around midnight and realized that my neck and shoulder were killing me so I got up and took two Advils. Then I popped open a Guinness bomber.

469 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:16:48am

re: #468 Gus 802

Hey Boxhead. I was lying in my futon around midnight and realized that my neck and shoulder were killing me so I got up and took two Advils. Then I popped open a Guinness bomber.

Guinness good.... neck and shoulder pain bad!

BTW, what is a bomber?

470 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:17:04am

re: #462 Gus 802

Any reason why you felt compelled to let us know about your displeasure with cats? They're not parasites by the way. They're predators.

No, they're fucking Tribbles. Real rats aren't scared of them.

471 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:17:24am

re: #469 boxhead

Guinness good... neck and shoulder pain bad!

BTW, what is a bomber?

1 pint 6 ounces.

472 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:18:10am

re: #463 tnguitarist

They were all farm dogs. Their "work" consists of sitting there under the shade making sure nothing gets to our animals.

Cool..
You know what is effen disgusting dude? I went to a friends house last Sunday to play his new guitar...So I mess around his new Gibson Es series
And I started playing Fear the Reaper...I used to know that song note for fucking note..And can sing it...When I was a kid I spent a whole month learning the lead note for note rewinding the tape back a zillion effen times..
I can't play most of the lead in time any more..I'm Fucking disgusted with my playing...I can see it fading away...I'm disgusted...My Strat sits in the corner calling my name out and there is never the time to play...
I could rip that song...

473 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:19:05am

re: #462 Gus 802

Any reason why you felt compelled to let us know about your displeasure with cats? They're not parasites by the way. They're predators.

Because dogs rule and cats drool, or something....

474 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:19:39am

re: #470 Boogberg

No, they're fucking Tribbles. Real rats aren't scared of them.

Uh huh. Well, every once in a while I come across some cat hater. One thing I've observed is that cat haters always have this strange need to tell other people how much they hate cats. It's pathological and rather rude. If you don't like cats that's fine. Keep it to yourself because people that like cats really don't want to hear about it.

475 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:20:39am

re: #474 Gus 802

I don't know how I never noticed it but you being a cat person makes all sorts of sense.//

476 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:21:31am

re: #468 Gus 802

Hey Boxhead. I was lying in my futon around midnight and realized that my neck and shoulder were killing me so I got up and took two Advils. Then I popped open a Guinness bomber.

It's none of my business, but that mix can't be good for you.

477 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:22:18am

re: #475 RogueOne

I don't know how I never noticed it but you being a cat person makes all sorts of sense.//

I'm petless now except for the dust mites. Grew up with cats as a kid. We had 14 at one point. We always had a dog too. I like cats and dogs.

478 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:22:28am

re: #472 HoosierHoops

You just inspired me. I've got a great old organ just begging to be played! LD

479 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:22:33am

re: #476 Nimed

It's none of my business, but that mix can't be good for you.

I know.

480 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:23:03am

re: #476 Nimed

It's none of my business, but that mix can't be good for you.

You're right. Proper muscle pain meds consist of beer and a hooter. Advil won't cut it.

481 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:25:20am

re: #478 Boogberg

You just inspired me. I've got a great old organ just begging to be played! LD

I love to write music...I love to write words...I've written hundreds of crappy songs and posted some here..It's like a hobby if nobody will pay you to do it..

482 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:25:25am

re: #479 Gus 802

I know.

Did you have an accident recently or something?

483 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:26:45am

re: #476 Nimed

It's none of my business, but that mix can't be good for you.

boo

484 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:27:19am

Anyone we know live near Oakland? I'm wondering if the damage from this weeks ruling is as bad as the press is making it sound. There was a good piece in Reason this week suggesting that a lot of the rioting was pre-planned and would occur regardless of the ruling.

485 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:27:27am

re: #466 boxhead

And there we have the inadequacy of "machine translation".

Real translation to follow (after I sleep a while).

486 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:27:30am

re: #482 Nimed

Did you have an accident recently or something?

No. I don't know what happened. First it started at the base of the neck. Sore and lots of cracking noises. Then it moved over to the left side of the neck and sometimes shoot over to my shoulder. I think I might have sprained it from when it first got sore. It's been like this for months now. Might be from repetitive stress.

487 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:27:51am

re: #485 Cato the Elder

And there we have the inadequacy of "machine translation".

Real translation to follow (after I sleep a while).

cool

488 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:28:55am

re: #481 HoosierHoops

You just need someone to jam with. I miss my old buddies from back in the day.

489 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:29:05am

re: #484 RogueOne

Anyone we know live near Oakland? I'm wondering if the damage from this weeks ruling is as bad as the press is making it sound. There was a good piece in Reason this week suggesting that a lot of the rioting was pre-planned and would occur regardless of the ruling.

I hope that crap don't spread to other cities.

490 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:31:01am

re: #489 boxhead

I hope that crap don't spread to other cities.

Unless more cops start shooting kids in the back while they're laying prone on the ground I wouldn't worry too much.

491 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:31:19am

re: #488 Boogberg

You just need someone to jam with. I miss my old buddies from back in the day.

I have 2 amps..a PA.. a Keyboard that I use for the drum machine..
But you are right..It's great to jam with people..inspiring

492 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:32:05am

re: #486 Gus 802

No. I don't know what happened. First it started at the base of the neck. Sore and lots of cracking noises. Then it moved over to the left side of the neck and sometimes shoot over to my shoulder. I think I might have sprained it from when it first got sore. It's been like this for months now. Might be from repetitive stress.

Sounds like a sprain. Have you had it looked at?

493 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:32:49am

re: #492 Nimed

Sounds like a sprain. Have you had it looked at?

No, not yet.

494 boxhead  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:32:49am

re: #490 RogueOne

Unless more cops start shooting kids in the back while they're laying prone on the ground I wouldn't worry too much.

sounds good but I have seen things like this become a reason excuse for more shenanigans like the Rodney King riots.

495 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:38:29am

re: #486 Gus 802

No. I don't know what happened. First it started at the base of the neck. Sore and lots of cracking noises. Then it moved over to the left side of the neck and sometimes shoot over to my shoulder. I think I might have sprained it from when it first got sore. It's been like this for months now. Might be from repetitive stress.

You might have someone pop your shoulder for you. I went through something similar for months before I let my wife pop my shoulder. Instantly fixed.

496 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:40:08am

re: #493 Gus 802

No, not yet.

Well dude, I suppose you got a good reason for that. If it is a sprain, ice should alleviate the pain somewhat.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Though the CE part doesn't make sense in your case.

497 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:40:33am

re: #495 RogueOne

You might have someone pop your shoulder for you. I went through something similar for months before I let my wife pop my shoulder. Instantly fixed.

Maybe. Someone suggested I see a chiropractor but they kind of scare me. The way they twist the neck and such. I think it would need an x-ray or something.

498 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:41:49am

re: #496 Nimed

Well dude, I suppose you got a good reason for that. If it is a sprain, ice should alleviate the pain somewhat.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Though the CE part doesn't make sense in your case.

I put some ice on it before. Really does help but I need to do it daily, which I haven't.

499 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:43:09am

re: #497 Gus 802

Maybe. Someone suggested I see a chiropractor but they kind of scare me. The way they twist the neck and such. I think it would need an x-ray or something.

I think they're quacks but my wife has a severely bad back and swears by hers so I keep my mouth shut. I know hers took xrays before he started working on her.

500 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:45:10am

re: #498 Gus 802

I put some ice on it before. Really does help but I need to do it daily, which I haven't.

Dude, do it! Take care of yourself!

501 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:46:41am

re: #498 Gus 802

I put some ice on it before. Really does help but I need to do it daily, which I haven't.

Youtube Video
502 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:52:24am

Wow.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signs $20 million settlement for Jaycee Dugard
[Link: www.examiner.com...]


Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger gave the final OK to a $20 million settlement to kidnapping victim Jaycee Dugard. The governor signed the settlement on Friday, July 9.

Dugard, now 30, was kidnapped in 1991 near her home in South Lake Tahoe before she surfaced last summer.
.....
This letter details for the first time that kidnap victim Jaycee Lee Dugard says that she had contact with parole agents while she was living in Antioch with convicted sex offender, Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy.

503 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:53:20am

re: #500 Nimed

Dude, do it! Take care of yourself!

Thanks! ...and this is just the neck. Argh.

504 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:55:59am

re: #503 Gus 802

Thanks! ...and this is just the neck. Argh.

Fuck, there's more?

505 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 3:56:24am

re: #504 Nimed

Fuck, there's more?

Yes. But I don't like to talk about the other stuff.

506 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:00:53am

re: #505 Gus 802

unrelated?:

Viagra-popping seniors lead the pack for STDs
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

507 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:02:51am

re: #505 Gus 802

Yes. But I don't like to talk about the other stuff.

Well, in that case...

Youtube Video
508 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:03:19am

re: #506 RogueOne

I was j/k btw. I should have read the article because the lede is unintentionally hilarious:


(Reuters Health) - Even if you're past your prime and have a hard time getting an erection, you might still need to worry about unprotected sex, according to U.S. doctors.

509 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:04:52am

re: #507 Nimed

Well, in that case...

[Video]

I wanna be sedated!

510 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:09:42am

re: #509 Gus 802

I wanna be sedated!

Oh, right. Sorry. Got just the thing for you:

Youtube Video
511 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:11:26am

Why dogs are better than cats and finally some good press for pit bulls:

Family says dog tried to pull baby out of burning home
[Link: www.wsbt.com...]


BRISTOL — The Elkhart County Red Cross is calling a Bristol pit bull a hero after he alerted his family to a fire, and even tried to pull a 3-month-old baby girl away from the danger.
...
“It sounds like the real hero here is the family pit bull,” said Frank Connolly, assistant executive director of the Elkhart County Red Cross. “Apparently ‘Thor’ woke the family up and even tried to pull the baby and bassinet out of the house. Lately we have learned how important pets can be to a family, and this is as stark an example as I’ve ever seen.”

The family cat would have still been trying to suffocate the baby. Why do cats hate babies so much?//

512 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:13:29am

re: #491 HoosierHoops

I have 2 amps..a PA.. a Keyboard that I use for the drum machine..
But you are right..It's great to jam with people..inspiring

If we were within ten miles, I'd jam with ya. Back in the day, that was it. Get beer, play rock & roll. Chicks dug it too. :D

513 Nimed  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:14:48am

re: #510 Nimed

Oh, right. Sorry. Got just the thing for you:


[Video]

Actually, scratch that. Roads is much better.

Youtube Video
514 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:17:36am

Sleepy time. Good "night" all.

515 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:23:28am

Looks like I got the goods all to myself again. :D

516 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:26:42am

Man arrested for using best pick up line ever:

Hey, does this smell like chloroform to you?

517 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:33:36am

Gotta go with some Schubert.

Good Stuff

518 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:39:31am

You can't trust anyone anymore:

Photoshopped Cosplayers:
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]


Image: 28.jpg

Image: 27.jpg

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:41:44am

re: #517 Boogberg

Or some Sherbet.

520 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:45:23am

re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for making me hungry, you bastard.

521 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:46:49am

re: #520 Boogberg

In google images they also had a pair of Men's pants... orange sherbet colored... I said, "Nay!".

522 Kruk  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:54:11am

Looks like the Department of Justice is opening a Civil Rights investigation into the BART shooting.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:58:23am

re: #522 Kruk

I'm the guy who doesn't get shot by the cop. He tells me to sit down and shut up? I sit down and shut up.

He tells me to put my hands on my head? My hands are on my head.

That's how you do it.

524 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:58:38am

Just for that, you will listen to more Schubert.

If you don't listen to every fucking note, I'll rape you.

525 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:01:05am

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm the guy who doesn't get shot by the cop. He tells me to sit down and shut up? I sit down and shut up.

He tells me to put my hands on my head? My hands are on my head.

That's how you do it.

Youtube Video

Morning FBV!

526 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:01:10am

You know what's better than the Mike Marvel Secret Dynaflex Method?

This.

/also good evening.

527 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:02:51am

Reading between the lines of this bit about Sharron Angle from Huffpo, it seems pretty clear that this woman is completely bonkers.

"She's very rigid and I have a little bit of trouble understanding her positions," the former lawmaker said in an interview with the Review-Journal. "She's a very difficult person."

That is apparently an "endorsement". Lol.

Republican Reno Mayor Bob Cashell, who backed Angle's GOP primary opponent, Sue Lowden, recently criticized Angle by calling her an "ultra right-winger." Cashell does not mince words when it comes to Angle: "Our state [would] suffer and we would never get anything done." The Reno mayor intends to hit the campaign trail for Reid.

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:03:08am

re: #524 Boogberg

This part of your new Right Wing Money Making persona? Ain't working. Just for that?

You are required to click this, Booger.

529 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:04:24am

re: #524 Boogberg

Just for that, you will listen to more Schubert.

If you don't listen to every fucking note, I'll rape you.

YOU GONNA

530 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:04:54am

Going all comic book nerd for a minute, Charles' pic of the Green Lantern book reminded me I have some Green Lantern/Green Arrow comic books from the late 70s/early 80's drawn by Neal Adams. What a phenomenal artist!

I was spoiled by my buddy who introduced me to comics. He started me on John Byrne X-Men, George Perez Teen Titans, Frank Miller Daredevil and Adams GL/GA. Then he wondered why I turned my nose up at stuff drawn by Ditka and Kirby.

531 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:05:21am

re: #528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Step 1: Schubert
Step 2: More Schubert
Step 3: Rape
Step 4: Profit!

532 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:06:31am

re: #530 rwdflynavy

Going all comic book nerd for a minute, Charles' pic of the Green Lantern book reminded me I have some Green Lantern/Green Arrow comic books from the late 70s/early 80's drawn by Neal Adams. What a phenomenal artist!

I was spoiled by my buddy who introduced me to comics. He started me on John Byrne X-Men, George Perez Teen Titans, Frank Miller Daredevil and Adams GL/GA. Then he wondered why I turned my nose up at stuff drawn by Ditka and Kirby.

Hopefully there was some sienkiewicz in there too

533 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:06:40am

re: #531 WindUpBird

Step 1: Schubert
Step 2: More Schubert
Step 3: Rape
Step 4: Profit!

BRILLIANT!

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:06:52am

re: #530 rwdflynavy

Going all comic book nerd for a minute,

Dang. You weren't kidding...

535 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:07:43am

re: #532 WindUpBird

Hopefully there was some sienkiewicz in there too

Yep!

Then I got hooked on Michael Whelan's art when I read the original Elric paperbacks by DAW. Stormbringer is still my favorite cover by him.

537 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:09:32am

re: #535 rwdflynavy

Yep!

Then I got hooked on Michael Whelan's art when I read the original Elric paperbacks by DAW. Stormbringer is still my favorite cover by him.

Can't go wrong with Whelan, I am a fan of his Sepultura covers:

Image: arise.jpg

538 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:09:43am

re: #536 WindUpBird

Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth is one of the greatest comic books of all time, period

Still Love Batman Returns. Also the 4 book Wolverine series by Miller.

539 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:10:29am

re: #535 rwdflynavy

chaos AD

540 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:10:57am

The hawks are circling. I better chill. :D

541 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:00am

re: #537 WindUpBird

Can't go wrong with Whelan, I am a fan of his Sepultura covers:

Image: arise.jpg

I have a book of his art. He did some really creepy ones over the years. I wish he had done the covers of the Wheel of Time books instead of Darryl K. (not so) Sweet.

542 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:13am

re: #538 rwdflynavy

Still Love Batman Returns. Also the 4 book Wolverine series by Miller.

That guy can really draw, I own 300 and oh man there's good stuff in those panels

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:32am

re: #525 rwdflynavy

I'm just sayin'...

544 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:11:48am

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #525 rwdflynavy

Yeah, we should all be subservient to the people we pay to protect us so they don't shoot us in the back. If that cop wasn't in such a hurry to taze someone lying face down because they didn't like his attitude, one guy would be alive and one cop wouldn't be headed to prison.

545 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:12:42am

re: #544 RogueOne

re: #525 rwdflynavy

Yeah, we should all be subservient to the people we pay to protect us so they don't shoot us in the back. If that cop wasn't in such a hurry to taze someone lying face down because they didn't like his attitude, one guy would be alive and one cop wouldn't be headed to prison.

I got pulled over for speeding. I was polite and respectful. Got off with a warning, not a tasing.

546 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:13:03am

re: #541 rwdflynavy

I have a book of his art. He did some really creepy ones over the years. I wish he had done the covers of the Wheel of Time books instead of Darryl K. (not so) Sweet.

yeah Sweet is like all Thomas Kincade meets Don Maitz, yuck

547 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:13:20am

Penn Jillette, interviewed on his views on religion:

"Reading the Bible, or the Koran, or the Torah will make you an atheist"

video in link:

[Link: bigthink.com...]

548 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:13am

re: #541 rwdflynavy

I am a gigantic fat fanboy for John Jude Palencar [Link: www.johnjudepalencar.com...]

I think he's a witch or something, his originals are just impossibly intricate

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:24am

re: #544 RogueOne

re: #525 rwdflynavy

Yeah, we should all be subservient to the people we pay to protect us so they don't shoot us in the back. If that cop wasn't in such a hurry to taze someone lying face down because they didn't like his attitude, one guy would be alive and one cop wouldn't be headed to prison.

I got pulled over for speeding was polite and respectful. Still got a ticket. But didn't get my ass beat either.

550 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:36am

re: #547 Jimmah

Penn Jillette, interviewed on his views on religion:

"Reading the Bible, or the Koran, or the Torah will make you an atheist"

video in link:

[Link: bigthink.com...]

So will reading the stock ticker

551 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:14:59am

re: #550 WindUpBird

So will reading the stock ticker

And the daily news in general.

552 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:15:36am

re: #545 rwdflynavy

I got pulled over for speeding. I was polite and respectful. Got off with a warning, not a tasing.

It's only a matter of time before I'm tazed. I'm nice and polite until they start asking questions they don't have the right to ask or start reading me the riot act for not wearing a seat belt. "may I search your car?" "where are you going?" or "where are you coming from?". The proper answers are always "fuck you" and "your moms house".

553 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:17:52am

re: #552 RogueOne

It's only a matter of time before I'm tazed. I'm nice and polite until they start asking questions they don't have the right to ask or start reading me the riot act for not wearing a seat belt. "may I search your car?" "where are you going?" or "where are you coming from?". The proper answers are always "fuck you" and "your moms house".

I won't answer those questions either, but I won't be rude about it.

554 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:19:05am

re: #552 RogueOne

It's only a matter of time before I'm tazed. I'm nice and polite until they start asking questions they don't have the right to ask or start reading me the riot act for not wearing a seat belt. "may I search your car?" "where are you going?" or "where are you coming from?". The proper answers are always "fuck you" and "your moms house".

"may I search your car?"

May I search yours?

"where are you going?"

Down this road.

"where are you coming from?"

Up that road.

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:19:41am

re: #552 RogueOne

If I am pulled over for breaking the law (I drive 70,000 miles a year, it happens) I am completely and totally subservient... (gets me off tickets sometimes)...

Now, a sobriety checkpoint or something? A cop asked me once (at 8pm on my way to meet rwdflynavy for a drink), "Where are you going?" I looked at her like she was crazy and said, "What?"... She dropped it...

556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:20:57am

re: #555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I'm stopped at a traffic check again, I have my answer planned out now if the cop asks that question.

"Anywhere in America I want to go. Isn't this a lovely country?"

557 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:21:30am

Canadians consider taking the leap to becoming a fully secular nation :

God’s place in Charter challenged
When a judge last month ruled that a Catholic high school in Montreal could choose its own religious curriculum, in defiance of an order by the Quebec government, he wrote that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms specifically referred to “the supremacy of God” in its preamble. Now, in the ruling’s aftermath, some are wondering whether that language is out of place in a society that has grown increasingly secular.

“From an atheist’s perspective, what happens to those who don’t believe God exists?” asks Justin Trottier, executive director of the Centre for Inquiry Canada in Toronto.

“If God needs to be defended [by a court], then does God need to be defended by those of us who don’t believe in God?”

Mr. Trottier this week called for a change to the Charter to remove the “supremacy of God” phrase, something that would be nearly impossible to accomplish. But his public objections have sparked a debate about why Canada shows such reverence in a prime legal document to the divine.

[Link: life.nationalpost.com...]

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:22:27am

re: #553 rwdflynavy

That's why he says he's gonna be tazed.

I, for one, do not want to do the "Elaine Benes Dance" in the mud.

559 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:23:13am

re: #554 WindUpBird

I always choose the path of least resistance. Answer question and go on my way. Cops don't scare me much but customs officials always freak me out. I'm always afraid of giving the wrong answer.

560 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:25:10am

re: #553 rwdflynavy

I am. I'm an ass when I feel people, especially people in uniform, ask inappropriate or illegal questions. My best friend is a cop and he and his buddies have tried to give me lessons on how to deal appropriately with cops but none of their suggestions have taken. I have learned "COME BACK WITH A WARRANT YOU DONUT SUCKING PIG!" isn't taken very well. Luckily I'm white, over 30, and speak and look well enough they assume I can afford an attorney otherwise I'm sure there there has been at least a few of those officers who wanted to take a swing at me. I had a state trooper in Iowa so pissed I was certain he was going to try to hit me. Like I said, only a matter of time before I get tazed.

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:26:26am

Elaine's dance...

562 Kruk  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:26:44am

re: #558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's why he says he's gonna be tazed.

I, for one, do not want to do the "Elaine Benes Dance" in the mud.

That's exactly the problem I have with the idea that people who are "rude" or "unco-operative" (both subjective judgements) deserve a tasing. It makes the police people who are obeyed through fear rather than respect. Not only that, it allows people who chose to peacefully assert their rights or refuse to co-operate with illegal instructions subject to extra-judicial punishment.

563 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:28:19am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

I always choose the path of least resistance. Answer question and go on my way. Cops don't scare me much but customs officials always freak me out. I'm always afraid of giving the wrong answer.

The problem is any answer can be the wrong answer. There are so many laws on the books you can be breaking any number of them without even trying.

564 Kruk  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:28:24am

re: #560 RogueOne

I am. I'm an ass when I feel people, especially people in uniform, ask inappropriate or illegal questions. My best friend is a cop and he and his buddies have tried to give me lessons on how to deal appropriately with cops but none of their suggestions have taken. I have learned "COME BACK WITH A WARRANT YOU DONUT SUCKING PIG!" isn't taken very well. Luckily I'm white, over 30, and speak and look well enough they assume I can afford an attorney otherwise I'm sure there there has been at least a few of those officers who wanted to take a swing at me. I had a state trooper in Iowa so pissed I was certain he was going to try to hit me. Like I said, only a matter of time before I get tazed.

I've found that I get treated a lot more respectfully by police now that I wear a suit and tie and drive a nice(ish) car. Funny, that.

565 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:29:05am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

At least you can afford to travel. I don't even have a fucking passport.

566 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:29:45am

Speaking of the police...

Youtube Video
567 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:29:49am

I used to love Jimmy Buffet. Now, he can go fuck himself.

568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:30:13am

re: #562 Kruk

I wouldn't have wanted to have been one of those cops.

569 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:31:08am

re: #562 Kruk

That's exactly the problem I have with the idea that people who are "rude" or "unco-operative" (both subjective judgements) deserve a tasing. It makes the police people who are obeyed through fear rather than respect. Not only that, it allows people who chose to peacefully assert their rights or refuse to co-operate with illegal instructions subject to extra-judicial punishment.

Sorry but as soon as that officer asks you "where are you going" he's violated your rights and he knows it. I don't see any reason to be pleasant to anyone who swears an oath (usually to uphold the constitution) and then willingly and purposefully violates that oath. Not only do I have a 4th Amendment right he's violating but I also have a 1st amendment right to let him know what I think about it.

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:32:33am

re: #569 RogueOne

Which is really why I like the answer I thought of later.

"Anywhere in America I want to go. Isn't this a lovely country?"

571 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:32:46am

DOWN WITH THE MAN!

I had to get that out of my system/

572 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:32:55am

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to love Jimmy Buffet. Now, he can go fuck himself.

And then there's that "Clinton-Bush Haiti Relief" ad right beside it.

/lawl placement

573 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:35:14am

re: #571 RogueOne

DOWN WITH THE MAN!

I had to get that out of my system/



Speaking of which...

574 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:35:25am

re: #546 WindUpBird

yeah Sweet is like all Thomas Kincade meets Don Maitz, yuck

Ugh. Thomas Kincade's paintings are disgusting - pure visual diabetes. Please, Mr Kincade - for the sake of our eyes and brains - stop fucking painting.

575 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:36:33am

re: #574 Jimmah

Ugh. Thomas Kincade's paintings are disgusting - pure visual diabetes. Please, Mr Kincade - for the sake of our eyes and brains - stop fucking painting.

You know he has his own housing communities, right?

576 laZardo  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:40:26am

brb dinner

577 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:40:40am

Who's the hot atheist blond chick with the accent who makes those youtube videos? Anyone know her name?

578 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:41:34am

re: #577 Killgore Trout

Who's the hot atheist blond chick with the accent who makes those youtube videos? Anyone know her name?

Can you post one?

579 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:43:01am

Sorry, I like this song.

There's some great organ goods here.

580 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:44:45am

re: #578 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can you post one?

I think she made this video....

Liveleak Video

You can't see her but I think it's her voice. I was going to make a page about this but I wanted to check her youtube channel to see if she has more videos like this with a better explanation for novices. It's really cool once you understand what you're looking at.

581 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:45:38am

re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar

You know he has his own housing communities, right?

No - I know nothing about him, other than how bad he is at painting. What's the deal?

582 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:47:20am

re: #580 Killgore Trout

I have no idea. She sounds German, though.

583 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:49:24am

re: #581 Jimmah

No - I know nothing about him, other than how bad he is at painting. What's the deal?

He has artist repaint his work. This I know. But I saw on 60 Minutes, he had a place in Orlando, maybe backed by Disney, based on one of his paintings.

584 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:50:59am

Neighborhood.

585 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:51:17am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

I always choose the path of least resistance. Answer question and go on my way. Cops don't scare me much but customs officials always freak me out. I'm always afraid of giving the wrong answer.

I swear they are now trained to employ all kinds of little 'psyche-outs' while they are questioning you. For example at Glasgow airport- after they put your passport number into their computer, they give a little 'reaction shot' as though something has cropped up on their display, then gesture to their colleague and take you to the side before asking you the other bunch of routine questions, all the while closely monitoring your reaction.

586 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:53:46am

re: #585 Jimmah

I swear they are now trained to employ all kinds of little 'psyche-outs' while they are questioning you. For example at Glasgow airport- after they put your passport number into their computer, they give a little 'reaction shot' as though something has cropped up on their display, then gesture to their colleague and take you to the side before asking you the other bunch of routine questions, all the while closely monitoring your reaction.

The scariest ones I've encountered were in China. They were all women in Red Army uniforms. Very serious and intimidating. They'd bark the questions at you. Really freaky.

587 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:55:22am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

The scariest ones I've encountered were in China. They were all women in Red Army uniforms. Very serious and intimidating. They'd bark the questions at you. Really freaky.

Were they hot?

588 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:55:44am

re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar

Neighborhood.

OMG they are calling him the 'Painter of Light' ? Are people insane? That's the last thing he should ever be called. His paintings feature the nastiest and most lurid parody of light I've ever seen. 'Painter of Shite' would be better...lol

589 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:55:57am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

The scariest ones I've encountered were in China. They were all women in Red Army uniforms. Very serious and intimidating. They'd bark the questions at you. Really freaky.

Try a saudi police station sometime. One where no one but you speaks english and they have no idea what the "American Embassy!" means coming out of your mouth.

590 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:58:00am

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to love Jimmy Buffet. Now, he can go fuck himself.

He can blow it out his flip-flop.

591 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:58:49am

re: #588 Jimmah

You gonna love this...
[Link: www.merchantcircle.com...][no phone numbers allowed]

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:59:55am

re: #590 MandyManners

He can blow it out his flip-flop.

I've actually eaten at his restaurant in Key West.

593 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:00:38am

re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar

You gonna love this...
[Link: www.merchantcircle.com...][no phone numbers allowed]

It just said :"LISTING NOT FOUND

Sorry we couldn't find what you are looking for. Try searching for
other businesses in your area. "

594 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:01:53am

re: #590 MandyManners

He's just a dumbass entertainer. What the fuck does he know?

595 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:02:45am

re: #593 Jimmah

Really? I have 2 of 40 pages. Fuck him. Ain't worth the effort.

596 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:03:45am

re: #594 boogberg

He's just a dumbass entertainer. What the fuck does he know?

Well, he used to import weed. Other than that, fuck him too.

597 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:04:26am

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got pulled over for speeding was polite and respectful. Still got a ticket. But didn't get my ass beat either.

You sound regretful. Better luck next time!

598 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:05:17am

re: #596 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh great. He's a felon too.

599 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:05:41am

re: #587 Cannadian Club Akbar

Were they hot?

Yeah, kinda.

600 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:06:00am

re: #589 RogueOne

Try a saudi police station sometime. One where no one but you speaks english and they have no idea what the "American Embassy!" means coming out of your mouth.

heh

601 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:07:11am

re: #599 Killgore Trout

Yeah, kinda.

Throw in a pair of stilettos, everything changes. Heh.

602 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:09:19am

I like Gordon Lightfoot. Do we have any dirt on him? He can smoke a 12 string.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:10:31am

re: #602 boogberg

I like Gordon Lightfoot. Do we have any dirt on him? He can smoke a 12 string.

Love him. But he is Canadian.
/

604 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:12:05am

re: #602 boogberg

I like Gordon Lightfoot. Do we have any dirt on him? He can smoke a 12 string.

Youtube Video
605 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:15:35am

She's a hard lovin' woman who's got me feeling mean.

Great line.

606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:16:33am

re: #588 Jimmah

Saw the 60 Minutes feature also... He'll stand on a forklift with an assistant nearby with sharpened pencils, another assistant nearby to remove paintings one by one as he signs them.

Signs about a hundred in two minutes.

Extra 1,500.00 U.S. each...

I go to at least one home a month where they have more than two of his "paintings".

God bless him for finding his racket niche.

607 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:17:39am

re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar

All of his stuff is cool.

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:18:21am

Wasn't Drudge bitching about LeBron coverage the other day? Mel Gibson has been his "Covergirl" for the last 24 hours or so.

609 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:18:26am

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There is a Kincade "Gallery" in Venice. It is in a strip mall.

610 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:19:55am

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't Drudge bitching about LeBron coverage the other day? Mel Gibson has been his "Covergirl" for the last 24 hours or so.

Mel Gibson is our racist, drunken uncle. Heh.

611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:20:40am

re: #609 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a Kincade "Gallery" in Venice. It is in a strip mall.

Venice? Huh. You'd think that Europeans wouldn't like his art.

612 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:21:11am

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't Drudge bitching about LeBron coverage the other day? Mel Gibson has been his "Covergirl" for the last 24 hours or so.

Yeah, I saw that too.

613 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:21:30am

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Venice? Huh. You'd think that Europeans wouldn't like his art.

Spaghetti.

614 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:22:00am

re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar

Put aside Edmund Fitzgerald and he still has dozens of great tunes.

615 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:23:01am

re: #614 boogberg

Put aside Edmund Fitzgerald and he still has dozens of great tunes.

Youtube Video
616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:24:26am

re: #612 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I saw that too.

For the record? The LeBron story is fifty times as big as the Mel story.

I'm just sayin'.

617 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:25:19am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For the record? The LeBron story is fifty times as big as the Mel story.

I'm just sayin'.

I saw no numbers. Did you?

618 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:25:54am

Thousands of Shia Muslims in metro Detroit are mourning the death of Sayyed Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, a Lebanese cleric who was enormously popular locally but controversial to his critics. Six nights of memorial services at three Shia mosques conclude Sunday at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

SNIP

Speaking to hundreds this week inside the Islamic Institute of Knowledge in Dearborn, Imam Mohammed Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights said that Fadlallah was a "man of peace, man of justice ... a man of antiterrorism and antiviolence."

SNIP

LOL!

619 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:26:36am

Oops.

[Link: www.freep.com...]

620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:26:58am

re: #617 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw no numbers. Did you?

He took a paycut, IIRC.

If that's what you're asking.

621 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:28:03am

re: #620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He took a paycut, IIRC.

If that's what you're asking.

Didn't the Knicks offer a billion?

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:29:29am

re: #621 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah. He went to Miami to win a championship. He just might do it with what is being put around him.

There might be an ego collision there of biblical proportions too.

We'll have to watch and wait.

623 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:29:31am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't know why anybody is surprised by Mel. He has these outbursts every few years.

624 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:29:38am

re: #615 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good, but that's mainstream. You gotta surprise me.

625 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:30:29am

Signs & Portents Dept.: It's a double rainbow? Oh my God, what does it mean?

Who say's we've lost our capacity for wonderment?

Youtube Video
626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:30:40am

Work. Later.

627 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:30:49am

re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that have been taken care of.

628 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:32:19am

re: #624 boogberg

Good, but that's mainstream. You gotta surprise me.

Like this?

629 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:36:13am

re: #628 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes! I like the one about the wheel too.

630 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:38:13am

re: #629 boogberg

Youtube Video
631 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:42:18am

re: #623 Killgore Trout

I don't know why anybody is surprised by Mel. He has these outbursts every few years.

Oh, I suspect he has these outbursts regularly, but they are only caught on tape every few years.

He is not exactly mentally stable, IMO.

632 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:43:27am

re: #630 Cannadian Club Akbar

I haven't heard that before. I like it and I'm fixing to play it again. :)

633 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:44:54am

re: #631 reine.de.tout

Oh, I suspect he has these outbursts regularly, but they are only caught on tape every few years.

He is not exactly mentally stable, IMO.

I kinda have those outburst myself.
"Where is my drink?!!"
"Where is my drink?!!"
Oh, there it is...:)

634 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:45:55am

re: #633 Cannadian Club Akbar

I kinda have those outburst myself.
"Where is my drink?!!"
"Where is my drink?!!"
Oh, there it is...:)

Heh.
For me, it's my damned KEYS.

635 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:47:10am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

Heh.
For me, it's my damned KEYS.

I'll buy you a bowl for Christmas.:)
(or make one)

636 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:51:54am

I know Hummus is pretty much just Chick Peas, but I never had it before the other night. Now that I know what it is, I am about to throw it down.

637 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:54:07am

I'm having a small dinner party tonight so I've already started picking and chopping and slicing and dicing. I'm making the bread crumbs with a mix of thyme, basil, rosemary, Parmesan and garlic salt that I'm gonna' coat the chicken breasts with before I fry them, and then I'm gonna' let them cook a while in a sauce made of onions, garlic and home-grown tomatoes. I'll top them with more Parmesan and shaved mozzarella.

I'm gonna' serve them atop mounds of capellini with a light garlic sauce. I'll have steamed asparagus drizzled with butter.

The salad will be Romaine from the farmers' market that was picked yesterday morning, cukes, tomatoes and red onions from my garden that I picked early this morning.

I'm buying the tiramisu from an Italian restaurant 'cause I just cannot bring myself to attempt it for some reason. (That's where I'm getting the crusty bread, too.)

638 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:54:32am

re: #631 reine.de.tout

Oh, I suspect he has these outbursts regularly, but they are only caught on tape every few years.

He is not exactly mentally stable, IMO.

Or, maybe he's just a bigot.

639 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:55:16am

re: #585 Jimmah

I swear they are now trained to employ all kinds of little 'psyche-outs' while they are questioning you. For example at Glasgow airport- after they put your passport number into their computer, they give a little 'reaction shot' as though something has cropped up on their display, then gesture to their colleague and take you to the side before asking you the other bunch of routine questions, all the while closely monitoring your reaction.

Amsterdam does that-- Schiphol-- like times eleventy. Glasgow doesn't pull you too far out of the line. Schiphol does, and they're monitoring not just your reaction but that of the people who were standing near you in line-- I think partly to determine whether you're under duress from someone else.

Remember when some wingnut tools were pretending to have 'seen' the underpants bomber go through Schiphol, and claimed he had accomplices and no passport? The crazy blogs went nuts with that for about 36 hours-- some troll popped up here pushing it as well. Anyway, I knew immediately that it was a complete lie because I'd flown through Schiphol less than 2 weeks before, and it didn't accord with their security procedures or the physical layout of the place.

They're pretty hardcore. I would love to see US airports get up to the security level of Glasgow, let alone Schiphol. Right now they just aren't, and it makes me angry.

640 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:56:27am

re: #637 MandyManners

Well, I didn't get an invite, so screw you.
/

641 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:58:57am

re: #639 iceweasel

Amsterdam does that-- Schiphol-- like times eleventy. Glasgow doesn't pull you too far out of the line. Schiphol does, and they're monitoring not just your reaction but that of the people who were standing near you in line-- I think partly to determine whether you're under duress from someone else.

Remember when some wingnut tools were pretending to have 'seen' the underpants bomber go through Schiphol, and claimed he had accomplices and no passport? The crazy blogs went nuts with that for about 36 hours-- some troll popped up here pushing it as well. Anyway, I knew immediately that it was a complete lie because I'd flown through Schiphol less than 2 weeks before, and it didn't accord with their security procedures or the physical layout of the place.

They're pretty hardcore. I would love to see US airports get up to the security level of Glasgow, let alone Schiphol. Right now they just aren't, and it makes me angry.

Hi Ice..Plus at Schiphol you can buy beer at McDonalds at 5am...
Kind of freaked me out..Who are these people?
*wink*

642 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:59:01am

re: #636 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know Hummus is pretty much just Chick Peas, but I never had it before the other night. Now that I know what it is, I am about to throw it down.

It's great stuff. Easy to make, delicious and cheap.

643 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 6:59:35am

re: #637 MandyManners

Nice!

644 boogberg  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:00:47am

It was "Circle of Steel" I was thinking about, Akbar.

645 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:00:48am

re: #642 Killgore Trout

It's great stuff. Easy to make, delicious and cheap.

I'm thinking of homemade corn tortillas instead of pita. Fried.

646 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:02:20am

re: #502 RogueOne

Wow.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signs $20 million settlement for Jaycee Dugard
[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Good. That woman's life was stolen from her.

647 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:03:25am

re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, I didn't get an invite, so screw you.
/

Eeks! It's for a few volunteers of an organization for which I also volunteer.

648 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:04:47am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

Nice!

Thanks!

I'm still looking for a good wine.

649 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:05:11am

re: #641 HoosierHoops

Hi Ice..Plus at Schiphol you can buy beer at McDonalds at 5am...
Kind of freaked me out..Who are these people?
*wink*

Hey cutie! How are you?
I love Schiphol, such an awesome airport if you have a long layover. They also have a a giant internet sort of cafe-- there are little buzzers at your table if you want to have beer or food brought to you. (!)

650 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:05:17am

re: #645 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm thinking of homemade corn tortillas instead of pita. Fried.

That'll work. Toasted bread works well too.

651 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:06:17am

re: #648 MandyManners

Thanks!

I'm still looking for a good wine.

Australian wines are really good.

652 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:07:14am

re: #617 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw no numbers. Did you?

6 years, ~110mil.

He could have had ~140mil for staying in Cleveland, IIRC.

653 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:07:35am

re: #650 Killgore Trout

That'll work. Toasted bread works well too.

I would probably use a Bruchetta made on Sour D'oh!!

654 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:08:28am

re: #652 Aceofwhat?

6 years, ~110mil.

He could have had ~140mil for staying in Cleveland, IIRC.

That's it? BFD.

655 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:12:37am

re: #651 Cannadian Club Akbar

Australian wines are really good.

I'll look. Thanks.

656 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:14:04am

re: #652 Aceofwhat?

6 years, ~110mil.

He could have had ~140mil for staying in Cleveland, IIRC.

Speaking of the devil, do you know where I could find a Miami Heat jersey with his new number?

657 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:14:19am

re: #655 MandyManners

I'll look. Thanks.

[Link: www.thewinelistwc.com...]

658 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:15:19am

re: #656 MandyManners

Speaking of the devil, do you know where I could find a Miami Heat jersey with his new number?

I would think it was the same as his old number.

659 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:16:20am

[Link: www.newsoxy.com...]

For Mandy.

660 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:17:47am

re: #656 MandyManners

Speaking of the devil, do you know where I could find a Miami Heat jersey with his new number?

I'd just go to the NBA store online. Apparently they can't stock them in stores fast enough...which is when internet shopping rules.

He's#6 now, used to be #23 in Cleveland.

661 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:18:30am

re: #657 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.thewinelistwc.com...]

I don't know if I can find much locally. The wine store does have Chateau Ste. Michelle, though, and I like the chardonnay.

662 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:19:10am

re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would think it was the same as his old number.

Does the NBA have an on-line store? I'd ask The Kid but I'm gonna' surprise him.

663 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:19:34am

re: #662 MandyManners

Does the NBA have an on-line store? I'd ask The Kid but I'm gonna' surprise him.

ermmm...

664 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:20:17am

re: #660 Aceofwhat?

Jordan was 23 in Bball. 45 in Baseball. I have a card of Jordan in Baseball with 23 on the front and 45 on the back from the Barrons.

665 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:20:56am

re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.newsoxy.com...]

For Mandy.

LeBron is now waiting for the league to approve the switch, which it will because LeBron's new jersey is sure to be a best-seller,


Oh, I'm sure it will be a hot item. Thanks!

666 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:21:25am

re: #664 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jordan was 23 in Bball. 45 in Baseball. I have a card of Jordan in Baseball with 23 on the front and 45 on the back from the Barrons.

see, i think the press conference, with proceeds donated to charity, was less hubris than "i'm gonna go be a baseball player even though i absolutely suck"

667 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:21:27am

re: #660 Aceofwhat?

I'd just go to the NBA store online. Apparently they can't stock them in stores fast enough...which is when internet shopping rules.

He's#6 now, used to be #23 in Cleveland.

Just the link I needed! Thanks, Ace!

668 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:22:01am

re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would think it was the same as his old number.

I think he is changing numbers from 23 to something else

669 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:22:11am

bbiab

670 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:22:28am

re: #667 MandyManners

Just the link I needed! Thanks, Ace!

You're welcome! I have now met my helpfulness quota for the day and will resume my usual posture of lighthearted, pointless sarcasm...carry on, all/

671 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:22:40am

re: #668 HoosierHoops

I think he is changing numbers from 23 to something else

#6

672 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:22:40am

re: #668 HoosierHoops

I think he is changing numbers from 23 to something else

Covered. 6.

673 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:23:33am

re: #671 Aceofwhat?

re: #672 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks guys..I forgot the number..

674 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:23:36am

re: #671 Aceofwhat?

re: #672 Cannadian Club Akbar

Look at the time stamp.

675 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:24:08am

Ace, that link took me to exactly what I wanted! Thanks bunches.

676 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:25:50am

re: #675 MandyManners

Ace, that link took me to exactly what I wanted! Thanks bunches.

*smooch*

677 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:26:36am

re: #674 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #672 Cannadian Club Akbar

Look at the time stamp.

I scored the post of the beast...you can't win/

678 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:27:11am

re: #677 Aceofwhat?

I scored the post of the beast...you can't win/

also known as "Hoopster's social security number"

679 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:28:08am

re: #678 Aceofwhat?

also known as "Hoopster's social security number"

666-X66-66X6?

680 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:28:29am

re: #677 Aceofwhat?

I scored the post of the beast...you can't win/

Did I hear that Derek Fisher might sign on as point for the Heat?
That is a crazy rumor.

681 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:29:04am

re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar

666-X66-66X6?

i'm a bit jealous, actually...i'd love to make the old ladies at the DMV cross themselves every time i walked in...

682 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:29:27am

Does anyone know what color jersey the Heat wears at home?

683 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:29:45am

re: #676 Aceofwhat?

*smooch*

*smooch*

684 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:30:09am

re: #682 MandyManners

Does anyone know what color jersey the Heat wears at home?

Honkey. I mean white.

685 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:30:38am

re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar

666-X66-66X6?

xxx-x6-6666 I was thinking maybe tattooing that on my forehead..

686 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:31:56am

re: #680 HoosierHoops

Did I hear that Derek Fisher might sign on as point for the Heat?
That is a crazy rumor.

He was interviewing, that's for sure.

But he'd be a backup. Chalmers is decent enough to start at PG. They signed Mike Miller, too, remember. That guy can shoot.

687 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:32:31am

re: #685 HoosierHoops

xxx-x6-6666 I was thinking maybe tattooing that on my forehead..

Behind the ear. What kind of Anti-Christ are you?
//

688 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:32:46am

re: #685 HoosierHoops

xxx-x6-6666 I was thinking maybe tattooing that on my forehead..

An above-collar barcode tattoo would really set it off...

689 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:34:04am

re: #684 Cannadian Club Akbar

Honkey. I mean white.

Oh, you.

690 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:35:19am

re: #686 Aceofwhat?

He was interviewing, that's for sure.

But he'd be a backup. Chalmers is decent enough to start at PG. They signed Mike Miller, too, remember. That guy can shoot.

I wonder who will play Center...They need someone to play the paint so Bosh can play PF...

691 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:35:32am

re: #689 MandyManners

Oh, you.

Well, cracker ain't a color. Though I do like Club Crackers on my salad.

692 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:39:15am

re: #690 HoosierHoops

I wonder who will play Center...They need someone to play the paint so Bosh can play PF...

Agree. And really, the person just needs to occupy space, make life hard for the other center, and grab the occasional rebound. Their rookie would work, and watch out for them to try to grab Zydrunas from Cleveland as well.

693 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:42:07am

re: #692 Aceofwhat?

Agree. And really, the person just needs to occupy space, make life hard for the other center, and grab the occasional rebound. Their rookie would work, and watch out for them to try to grab Zydrunas from Cleveland as well.

Exactly.. Like the aging Shaq did for the Heat in 2006
Is this team the new 80's Lakers?

694 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:43:56am

re: #693 HoosierHoops

Exactly.. Like the aging Shaq did for the Heat in 2006
Is this team the new 80's Lakers?

I know little about Bball. But the answer seems to be YES.

695 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:48:00am

re: #693 HoosierHoops

Exactly.. Like the aging Shaq did for the Heat in 2006
Is this team the new 80's Lakers?

I think so. If i could mix the two, i'd take LBJ over Magic. I'd take Kareem over Bosh. But i don't know whether i'd rather have Wade or Worthy.

I think Wade...but that's a tough call.

696 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:48:20am

re: #694 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know little about Bball. But the answer seems to be YES.

Get me a 250lb center and a Steve Kerr. Champion.

697 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:49:05am

re: #694 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know little about Bball. But the answer seems to be YES.

Ironic that Pat is up in the office going.. mmm..I've got my Magic in James..I've got my Worthy in Bosh.. And hell with Wade I got Cooper or whoever I want..
I think I'd better go back to coaching..It's a giant flashback with him..
After watching these guys play together in the Olympics... They are going to kick effen ass...They knew they were unbeatable then and knew then they could beat anybody..I think this has been in the works since the Gold Metal.

698 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:49:56am

re: #696 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get me a 250lb center and a Steve Kerr. Champion.

Mike Miller > Steve Kerr.

All you need is a center.

699 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:50:25am

re: #697 HoosierHoops

agree completely

700 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:51:33am

re: #698 Aceofwhat?

Mike Miller > Steve Kerr.

All you need is a center.

It will not surprise me if James plays point in some sets..Just like Magic did

701 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:54:05am

It won't ship for about two weeks. Gah.

Thanks for all the help, Lizards!

702 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:55:25am

re: #700 HoosierHoops

It will not surprise me if James plays point in some sets..Just like Magic did

Get a giant in the middle. There you go.

703 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:56:27am

re: #701 MandyManners

It won't ship for about two weeks. Gah.

Thanks for all the help, Lizards!

It's still much sooner than you'd be able to actually find one in stock in a physical store. Happy to help!

704 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:57:25am

re: #703 Aceofwhat?

It's still much sooner than you'd be able to actually find one in stock in a physical store. Happy to help!

Do players get a percentage of the sales of their jerseys? Their teams?

705 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:58:31am

"the first family of terrorism" WHAT the fuck?

good morning, everyone...first family...sheesh

706 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:58:43am

OT...i'm relaxing on the couch while my 8yo daughter is playing Final Fantasy XIII in a pink polka-dot dress, prancing around and singing Hannah Montana songs while she kills enemies, and occasionally putting her hands on her hips and glaring at me when i tell her that i'm the Bizniggity in this Hizniggity.

It's a good saturday morning...

707 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 7:59:28am

re: #704 MandyManners

Do players get a percentage of the sales of their jerseys? Their teams?

In baseball, team split the profits. Not sure about basketball.

708 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:00:42am

re: #704 MandyManners

Do players get a percentage of the sales of their jerseys? Their teams?

I believe that the teams do, not the players. OTOH, the players don't have to give the teams a cut of any of their external endorsement contracts.

Gilbert in Cleveland has been running the team at a loss since he arrived, IIRC, so it's definitely not a money tree.

709 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:01:38am

re: #648 MandyManners

Thanks!

I'm still looking for a good wine.

Normally, any bottle of anything that has a Ravenswood Winery label on it. Outclasses many French wines at whatever price-point.

710 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:03:18am

The Heat are going to be a tough team...James never has to worry about taking the last shot..You know where they give you ball with 3 guys guarding on you with 5 seconds left and 18000 people know you must make the shot and when you miss they call you a failure...
There will never be 3 guys on King James again..He earned space...They have a deadly ice cold assassin in Wade who loves the big shot..and makes them...But wait..They have a monster power forward that scores all night long..You can't guard this team...They destroyed the world in the Olympics....
Wouldn't it be a dream to be the point Guard and pass these guys the ball?
Hey nice move James...Nice shot D-Wade.. You like that low post pass bitch?
How fast do you think Programmers are working on the next Video game? Heat 2010..NBA Smackdown

711 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:05:33am

re: #710 HoosierHoops

Exactly. How much crap did James take for dishing the ball to let someone else take the last shot, even though it was the right basketball move?

Now he can take it strong to the hoop, and if he doesn't get 3 defenders, he finishes (see: Cavs V. Wizards playoffs). If he gets 3 defenders, either Bosh is getting a dunk or Wade is getting an open shot.

It's going to be a fun team to watch, love 'em or hate 'em...

712 Fart Knocker  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:08:40am

re: #670 Aceofwhat?

You're welcome! I have now met my helpfulness quota for the day and will resume my usual posture of lighthearted, pointless sarcasm...carry on, all/

Watch it Ace, that's my gig!!!!
//

713 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:13:17am

re: #704 MandyManners

Do players get a percentage of the sales of their jerseys? Their teams?

Awww. we have a project for you.. Yes they get a cut but the CBA is so effen complicated that none us dummies can figure out the numbers..For nothing.. We need a link to the contract so you can read it and explain it here....
The other night when James announced I posted he had to sign for 99 million for 5 years..Maybe with a 6th year option.. ESPN is reporting 110 Million.. I can't figure out three max contracts on one team...I know the Cap went up 2 million and Beasley got dumped for 5 million.. It is very complex..especially bringing in mid level exception players cause there application to the cap numbers..Then there is the luxury tax...Some teams with rich owners pay a %tax for breaking the Cap...

714 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:14:11am

bbaib

715 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:17:39am

re: #711 Aceofwhat?

Season tickets are sold out in Miami....Yesterday

716 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:23:43am

Stage 7 of the Tour de France is on live on Versus...

717 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #716 HoosierHoops

Stage 7 of the Tour de France is on live on Versus...

think there'll be another slap fight?

i wonder what Charles thought of that...

718 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:31:19am

re: #717 Aceofwhat?

think there'll be another slap fight?

i wonder what Charles thought of that...

That was funny.. The French guy won stage 7.. Shavenell? (sp)

719 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:32:55am

re: #704 MandyManners

Do players get a percentage of the sales of their jerseys? Their teams?

just looked it up...i was wrong. NBA players all get an even % of total jersey sales, whereas NFL players get a % of their OWN jersey sales.

interesting.

720 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:34:05am

re: #718 HoosierHoops

That was funny.. The French guy won stage 7.. Shavenell? (sp)

I don't remember. Much like soccer, i have enormous respect for their athletic ability, but find it difficult to watch the actual event without sleeping...

721 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:39:05am

re: #720 Aceofwhat?

I don't remember. Much like soccer, i have enormous respect for their athletic ability, but find it difficult to watch the actual event without sleeping...

I love the world cup but soccer not so much the rest of the time....I can't wait to see the Dutch win Sunday.
Generally..In America ESPN could have Monday Night Topless woman's Soccer league and not get any ratings....or wait...mmmm...
Somebody get ESPN on the line!
/Rush..I finally got your dream sports job

722 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:42:49am

Oh, why did they have to cancel Boykin's testimony at the Kagan hearings? He sounds like a rational person to me...///

Skip Heitzig: mmm hmm. General, back to something you just mentioned, illegal immigration....I'd like to get your take for instance on the crack down in Arizona to seal up the borders and illegal immigrants from coming over. How potential of a problem is that for radical Islam coming in here?

General Boykin: Well there is no question that you can find it on web sites. There's a category of people coming into the United States called "other than Mexicans" and they include people out of Islamic countries and there's a record of the number that we've actually caught. Of course we don't know what we haven’t caught. But you can find that on a government website that will show you the number of the people from the Middle East that are coming in. Now Skip, I just was notified by some folks in Southern California that the leading group of Muslim converts now are Hispanics who've been duped into believing that Islam is an extension of their catholic faith. And then I was told by some very credible sources that the same thing is occurring down in Mexico where entire villages are being converted to Islam. Think about the impact of having people that are Muslim converts on the south side of the border and people on the north side of the border. Working together they can bring anything into this country and they are doing it right now.

Yeah...there's that kneeling thing Catholics do in church a couple of times. That's just like a prayer rug.

723 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:46:27am

re: #722 darthstar

Oh, why did they have to cancel Boykin's testimony at the Kagan hearings? He sounds like a rational person to me...///

Yeah...there's that kneeling thing Catholics do in church a couple of times. That's just like a prayer rug.

Heh...yeah, those doormat Mexican women just can't wait to be subjugated by their men. That'll go over like a fart in a mosque...

724 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:47:13am

re: #723 Aceofwhat?

Heh...yeah, those doormat Mexican women just can't wait to be subjugated by their men. That'll go over like a fart in a mosque...

A turd in a punchbowl

725 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:48:44am

re: #724 HoosierHoops

A turd in a punchbowl

like a lead zeppelin

726 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:48:59am

re: #724 HoosierHoops

A turd in a punchbowl

A rational idea at a Tea Party

727 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:49:41am

re: #726 darthstar

A rational idea at a Tea Party

like a pregnant pole vaulter

728 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:50:47am

re: #727 Aceofwhat?

like a pregnant pole vaulter

Like a death at a birthday party. (one of my favs)

729 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:50:48am

re: #722 darthstar

Oh, why did they have to cancel Boykin's testimony at the Kagan hearings? He sounds like a rational person to me...///

Yeah...there's that kneeling thing Catholics do in church a couple of times. That's just like a prayer rug.

Oh my god, that's incredible. So let's combine two favourite wingnut scaremongering themes: immigrants are coming to get you! and muslims are coming to get you! by saying Mexicans are converting to Islam. You should do a page on that.

Here's some stuff I just put up on immigration btw:
Arizona immigration law unlikely to survive federal lawsuit

and
More Immigration Lies: Wingnut Claims About Crime in AZ Completely Bogus

The hate rhetoric being pumped out over immigration is appalling.

730 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:51:46am

re: #728 darthstar

Like a death at a birthday party. (one of my favs)

like a constipated vulture

731 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:52:58am

re: #729 iceweasel

Muslicans! I'm hoping the Hispanic community gives Boykin a public spanking about a) calling them stupid enough to think Islam is an extension of Catholicism, and b) equating them with terrorists.

732 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:53:46am

re: #730 Aceofwhat?

like a constipated vulture

like a leper at an orgy

733 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:54:23am

re: #732 darthstar

like a leper at an orgy

like a shart in a spacesuit

734 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:55:45am

re: #733 Aceofwhat?

Mornin' Ace...low battery on my pc...going to bow out now...thanks for playing though.

See you all in a few hours.

GO GERMANY!!

735 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:56:21am

re: #734 darthstar

Mornin' Ace...low battery on my pc...going to bow out now...thanks for playing though.

See you all in a few hours.

GO GERMANY!!

peace...good to 'see' you this fine morning...

736 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:59:59am

Did BobDylan know Linsey Lohan before she was born...Or is this a long line of failures?
____ __________
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?

737 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:02:40am

re: #174 Cato the Elder

This just in:

Scientists say the ruins of a vast mosque have been discovered on the fifth planet out from Gedi Prime.

The jubilation amongst the Earth's Muslim believers knows no bounds. Saudi Arabia is already promising unlimited funds to journey thither and repair the interstellar house of worship.

Contrary opinions were quick to surface. A coalition calling itself The Committee to Stop the Space Mega-Mosque is calling for an immediate demonstration on Gedi Prime Avenue in New York. They object to what they call the "perpetuation of cultural-religious imperialism" on a site overlooking a famous defeat suffered by James T. Kirk in a hopeless battle against Klingons.

More to follow.

Update : Pamela Geller mysteriously disappeared in front of an audience of gathered bigots at a location in New York last night. Initial claims that she had been spontaneously raptured turned out to be innaccurate. It emerged later that she had in fact been abducted and taken to Space Station Xion, in the Vuntlin Galaxy, for the presentation of The Biggest Douche In the Universe Award, in which she easily beat Quaglar the Destructor, John Edward, and Ursula The Giant Douche to take the award back to Earth for only the second time in the history of the event.

738 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:04:05am

re: #737 Jimmah

I've gotta ask: Who was the first Earth winner?

739 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:08:23am

re: #738 Obdicut

I've gotta ask: Who was the first Earth winner?

John Edward! (South Park season 6 episode)

Youtube Video
740 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:14:48am

re: #739 Jimmah

Sorry about the crappy video there but Viacom took down all the real clips. This is the song they used though.

741 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:16:20am

"More States Expected To Introduce Anti-Illegal Immigration Laws"

"Prof. RODRIGUEZ: That's a complicated question. I think my view is that it's misguided as a matter of policy, but that much of the law is consistent with federal law and that the legal challenges are not as obvious as they might seem at first glance. And it's too simple to say that states can't regulate immigration. Because what the state is trying to do is enforce criminal laws, employment related laws and use its police power to protect, in its perception, a public health and safety issue."

"I think that the preemption challenge has a good chance of succeeding because courts traditionally treat immigration law as exclusively federal. And the law is framed as an immigration law. It's introduced as an immigration law even though some of its supporters treat it as a criminal law or an exercise of the police power. But I do think that there are strong arguments that this does not interfere with the federal government's ability to enforce its own laws."

Should be an interesting case.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

742 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:18:25am

re: #740 Jimmah

Sorry about the crappy video there but Viacom took down all the real clips. This is the song they used though.

Are you rooting with me for the Dutch tomorrow?

743 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:18:51am

Q: In what profession do you get to pull out your taser, reholster it, pull out your gun, shoot someone in the back, get away with a sentence of "involuntary manslaughter", and have people blame the "rioters" for the ensuing "riots"?

A: BART cop. Nice job if you can get it.

744 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:20:31am

re: #28 reine.de.tout

I heard it earlier. He is one very sick and crazy person.

Calling women whores is indeed disgusting. I'm sure we could count on you to give anyone who did that here on LGF a really hard time. coughre: #742 HoosierHoops

Are you rooting with me for the Dutch tomorrow?

Yes - definitely, Hoops :) Psychic octopus my ass.

745 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:20:42am

re: #729 iceweasel

Oh my god, that's incredible. So let's combine two favourite wingnut scaremongering themes: immigrants are coming to get you! and muslims are coming to get you! by saying Mexicans are converting to Islam. You should do a page on that.

Here's some stuff I just put up on immigration btw:
Arizona immigration law unlikely to survive federal lawsuit

and
More Immigration Lies: Wingnut Claims About Crime in AZ Completely Bogus

The hate rhetoric being pumped out over immigration is appalling.

Thanks for posting those. It's a shame to see these important issues going on without serious debate. It was the same with healthcare and the economy. Instead of a real debate all we got was nonsense about Death Panels, socialism and secret government conspiracies.

746 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:21:12am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Q: In what profession do you get to pull out your taser, reholster it, pull out your gun, shoot someone in the back, get away with a sentence of "involuntary manslaughter", and have people blame the "rioters" for the ensuing "riots"?

A: BART cop. Nice job if you can get it.

While I understand the anger, no one forced them to riot.

747 ryannon  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:21:15am

re: #736 HoosierHoops

Did BobDylan know Linsey Lohan before she was born...Or is this a long line of failures?
___ ___
Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone ?

The Stones' version and video: just right.

Youtube Video
748 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:22:30am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

Q: In what profession do you get to pull out your taser, reholster it, pull out your gun, shoot someone in the back, get away with a sentence of "involuntary manslaughter", and have people blame the "rioters" for the ensuing "riots"?

A: BART cop. Nice job if you can get it.

Like I said..The original story sounded plausible...He pulled out the wrong gun. Viewing the video...You are correct..That is exactly what happened..
That does not justify riots or any and I mean any of their behavior...
The Justice dept will right this.. not broken windows

749 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:25:28am

re: #748 HoosierHoops

Like I said..The original story sounded plausible...He pulled out the wrong gun. Viewing the video...You are correct..That is exactly what happened..
That does not justify riots or any and I mean any of their behavior...
The Justice dept will right this.. not broken windows

Obdicut suggested that the "involuntary manslaughter" charge was too tough. Obdi had some interesting reasons.

750 jaunte  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:25:39am

re: #743 Cato the Elder

I doubt the taser felt much like his gun.

1. The manual states that the Taser X26 weighs 7 ounces. Depending on model and bullets loaded, a Glock pistol can weigh from 25-38 ounces. You don’t have to be a weapons expert to feel the difference between holding about two pounds and holding less than half a pound – try it.


[Link: sfbayview.com...]

751 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:30:20am

re: #749 Walter L. Newton

Obdicut suggested that the "involuntary manslaughter" charge was too tough. Obdi had some interesting reasons.

Well..There is the video..and I think a fair viewing of it confirms what Cato posted...I haven't seen Law & Order in a long time but it seems Murder two or something to me...I'm not seeing anything involuntary in the video...Must have had a great lawyer or something.

752 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:34:31am

re: #751 HoosierHoops

Well..There is the video..and I think a fair viewing of it confirms what Cato posted...I haven't seen Law & Order in a long time but it seems Murder two or something to me...I'm not seeing anything involuntary in the video...Must have had a great lawyer or something.

To be honest with you, I can't recount his argument for a lessor charge, probably wouldn't if I could, I'd leave that up to him, I was just making a general statement.

753 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:34:52am

Apparently there is such a thing as involuntarily shooting someone in the back.

Next time a neighbor pisses me off, I'm going to give it a try.

754 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:35:59am

re: #751 HoosierHoops

Well..There is the video..and I think a fair viewing of it confirms what Cato posted...I haven't seen Law & Order in a long time but it seems Murder two or something to me...I'm not seeing anything involuntary in the video...Must have had a great lawyer or something.

Or, that most unpredictable beast, the jury.

755 V5  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:38:46am

Way OT, but whatever happened to the old chat window.

Obviously it's been a while since I've been here.

V5

756 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:41:49am

re: #754 MandyManners

Or, that most unpredictable beast, the jury.

OJ comes to mind..It's one of those moments in time.. I was TDY closing the Shipyard in Philly during the trial.. The reason it took so long was because most of us were in offices somewhere watching the trial..I didn't miss a thing...
We were the most hated folks in Philly back then.. We just kind of hung out low key while shipyard workers got their pink slips..We were the last group around to close up shop and fly back to MINSY.
I was sorry to see Philly go.. A great lose for America

757 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:43:52am

re: #755 V5

Way OT, but whatever happened to the old chat window.

Obviously it's been a while since I've been here.

V5

You can create your own page here on just about any topic in the world and have readers and comments.. Chat is so 2007
Welcome back

758 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:44:24am

re: #755 V5

Way OT, but whatever happened to the old chat window.

Obviously it's been a while since I've been here.

V5

Hi V5. It's long gone. You have to chat out here in public.

759 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:45:04am
Tony Blair met nine boys named after him as he visited Kosovo.

"As you can see your name is quite common in our country," a teenage hostess told Mr Blair.

All of Kosovo's Tony Blairs were born after the 1999 war between ethnic Albanian fighters in Kosovo and Serbian presidents Slobodan Milosevic's forces.

The conflict ended after a Nato air campaign ousted Serbian forces and established a UN protectorate over the territory.

Parents named their newborns after Blair to thank him for his role in leading the international community to intervene to stop repression of the ethnic-Albanian majority.

"I did what was right. I did what was just. I did not regret it then. I do not regret it now," Mr Blair told the crowd.

Kosovo declared independence from Serbia in February 2008 and Britain was among the first to recognise it.

So far, 69 countries recognise Kosovo as a state, including the United States and most EU countries. Serbia is challenging the legality of the declaration before the top UN court.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

760 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:46:13am

re: #756 HoosierHoops

OJ comes to mind..It's one of those moments in time.. I was TDY closing the Shipyard in Philly during the trial.. The reason it took so long was because most of us were in offices somewhere watching the trial..I didn't miss a thing...
We were the most hated folks in Philly back then.. We just kind of hung out low key while shipyard workers got their pink slips..We were the last group around to close up shop and fly back to MINSY.
I was sorry to see Philly go.. A great lose for America

Why did it close?

761 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:48:13am

re: #760 MandyManners

Why did it close?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

762 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:49:43am

re: #746 MandyManners

While I understand the anger, no one forced them to riot.

There really weren't any signficant riots. Everyone here in the Bay Area is relieved. The media is trying to make it out to be more significant than it was.

In addition, a lot of the troublemakers are out-of-towners who come into town just to fuck shit up. They do it at Halloween, too. Assholes.

763 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:50:44am

re: #761 Walter L. Newton

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sounds as if it wasn't needed any more.

764 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:51:22am

re: #762 Obdicut

There really weren't any signficant riots. Everyone here in the Bay Area is relieved. The media is trying to make it out to be more significant than it was.

In addition, a lot of the troublemakers are out-of-towners who come into town just to fuck shit up. They do it at Halloween, too. Assholes.

ANSWER? Anarchists? ISM?

765 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:54:54am

re: #760 MandyManners

Why did it close?

The Navy shut down a shit load of Bases.. We have super bases now...
MINSY got shut down during the Clinton years ..And I got laid off with 15000 workers...I was terrified...Well on my resume I fix Nuclear Subs...My chances of finding a job was slim..
Thank the Lord for the Japanese...I love my company...

766 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 9:58:08am

re: #765 HoosierHoops

The Navy shut down a shit load of Bases.. We have super bases now...
MINSY got shut down during the Clinton years ..And I got laid off with 15000 workers...I was terrified...Well on my resume I fix Nuclear Subs...My chances of finding a job was slim..
Thank the Lord for the Japanese...I love my company...

Ah, yes. The Peace Dividend.

767 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:00:16am

re: #762 Obdicut

Obdicut... did you see my reference to you above? The Oakland case was being discussed, and I mentioned that you had a different take on the verdict. Can you repeat your thoughts from the other day?

768 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:01:09am

re: #764 MandyManners

ANSWER? Anarchists? ISM?

Some 'anarchists'. ANSWER didn't ever really get interested in the trial. Mostly it's just out of town wanna-be gangsters, real gang-members who are still from the suburbs so they come to the city to start trouble because, face it, being a suburban gangster is just stupid. And ISM has no interest in stuff like this.

Mostly it's just unorganized assholes, or they are organized, it's a gang.

769 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:06:33am

re: #766 MandyManners

Ah, yes. The Peace Dividend.

I'm still a little bitter over that...I had spent 20 years working for the DOD as a Nuke.. I went to school every year and earned a Masters.. I was qualed in every aspect of Nuclear work..Air fed..Everything...
When the Gov't riffed us they gave us plenty of notice...They will give you one offer..and one offer only...Everybody got lowballed with offers...I spent a year on Gov't job boards...I got offered a parks person in DC and a freaking gs5 with the CIA! 10 bucks an hour to file paperwork...
My final official offer was to be a pipefitter in Southern California..
Thank you very much...You invested this much into and that's all you got?
Think I'll take my chances on the outside thank you very much...

770 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:09:46am

re: #768 Obdicut

Some 'anarchists'. ANSWER didn't ever really get interested in the trial. Mostly it's just out of town wanna-be gangsters, real gang-members who are still from the suburbs so they come to the city to start trouble because, face it, being a suburban gangster is just stupid. And ISM has no interest in stuff like this.

Mostly it's just unorganized assholes, or they are organized, it's a gang.

Suburban gangsters?! Too cute for words.

771 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:10:40am

re: #769 HoosierHoops

I'm still a little bitter over that...I had spent 20 years working for the DOD as a Nuke.. I went to school every year and earned a Masters.. I was qualed in every aspect of Nuclear work..Air fed..Everything...
When the Gov't riffed us they gave us plenty of notice...They will give you one offer..and one offer only...Everybody got lowballed with offers...I spent a year on Gov't job boards...I got offered a parks person in DC and a freaking gs5 with the CIA! 10 bucks an hour to file paperwork...
My final official offer was to be a pipefitter in Southern California..
Thank you very much...You invested this much into and that's all you got?
Think I'll take my chances on the outside thank you very much...

Gotta' go where the market will bear your weight.

772 webevintage  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:13:03am

re: #769 HoosierHoops


Thank you very much...You invested this much into and that's all you got?
Think I'll take my chances on the outside thank you very much...

Well you obviously made the right decision, but what a waste of money and time on the part of the gov't to not make a effort to keep people like you.

BTW, how is Winston?

773 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:14:13am

I hope the Prez ("Prez" is not an insult) is feeling his oats as far as dealing with the bad guys. I don't think he wants military action against iran, but he may realize the THREAT of violence is what is needed to back up the rhetoric. But if he goes down that road, he better not blink. I support him if he is "feeling" that.

774 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:14:37am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

Someone else already said something similar in this thread, I think.

Basically, if you put an individual, even a highly-skilled individual, into enough life-or-death, chaotic situations, he will eventually fuck up. It's inevitable. Atul Gawande covers this at length in his book Better, an amazingly honest look at failure and how to learn from failure. He makes the argument that he, an incredibly highly skilled surgeon, will eventually kill, through a mistake, someone on the operating table. So will all of his colleagues. All doctors will fuck up and kill people, if they operate for long enough.

I see it as the same way for cops. We have cops go out into chaotic, disorganized situations day after day, giving them opportunity after opportunity to fuck up in a lethal way.

In this case, there did not seem to be any hint of malice meant; obviously the cop didn't think he could get away with this, in front of witnesses, out in the open. It seems like a completely classic fuckup, mental rather than physical.

Our legal system isn't set up to handle nuance of that kind. We don't prosecute doctors for involuntary manslaughter when they make a mistake on the operating table (unless they're drunk or just clearly not giving a shit); we understand that they make a certain number of mistakes. If they make too many, they'll have their license taken away, and be sued a lot.

There are plenty of cops out there who are, with malice aforethought, doing harm to civilians. We should be prosecuting those, not the police who make a mistake in the course of their duties. It doesn't do any long-term good. All cops performing for long enough will make mistakes.

However, there is no way under the current law of the land that he should not have been prosecuted, and under that law, involuntary manslaughter is probably the correct verdict. My problem is not with the way the law played out here, but the formation of the law itself in regards to cops. They're at once privileged and penalized.

775 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:17:59am

re: #774 Obdicut

Someone else already said something similar in this thread, I think.

Basically, if you put an individual, even a highly-skilled individual, into enough life-or-death, chaotic situations, he will eventually fuck up. It's inevitable. Atul Gawande covers this at length in his book Better, an amazingly honest look at failure and how to learn from failure. He makes the argument that he, an incredibly highly skilled surgeon, will eventually kill, through a mistake, someone on the operating table. So will all of his colleagues. All doctors will fuck up and kill people, if they operate for long enough.

I see it as the same way for cops. We have cops go out into chaotic, disorganized situations day after day, giving them opportunity after opportunity to fuck up in a lethal way.

In this case, there did not seem to be any hint of malice meant; obviously the cop didn't think he could get away with this, in front of witnesses, out in the open. It seems like a completely classic fuckup, mental rather than physical.

Our legal system isn't set up to handle nuance of that kind. We don't prosecute doctors for involuntary manslaughter when they make a mistake on the operating table (unless they're drunk or just clearly not giving a shit); we understand that they make a certain number of mistakes. If they make too many, they'll have their license taken away, and be sued a lot.

There are plenty of cops out there who are, with malice aforethought, doing harm to civilians. We should be prosecuting those, not the police who make a mistake in the course of their duties. It doesn't do any long-term good. All cops performing for long enough will make mistakes.

However, there is no way under the current law of the land that he should not have been prosecuted, and under that law, involuntary manslaughter is probably the correct verdict. My problem is not with the way the law played out here, but the formation of the law itself in regards to cops. They're at once privileged and penalized.

Thank you.

776 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:19:00am

re: #772 webevintage

Well you obviously made the right decision, but what a waste of money and time on the part of the gov't to not make a effort to keep people like you.

BTW, how is Winston?

15000 of us got laid off...Some went to good jobs..but mostly upper management...Such a waste of talent...Best thing to ever happen to me as it turns out..
Poor Winston...He doesn't know I'm going away for 2 weeks.. He is going to be staying at a friends house... What happens when I come home and he hates me and likes it better at her house..What then?
Poor little spoiled Winston

777 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:19:51am

the geico commercial with the drill sergeant as a therapist is hilarious.

778 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:21:04am

As an example of police officers who should have the hell prosecuted out of them:

Youtube Video

They also lied about the incident.

779 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:25:14am

re: #776 HoosierHoops

did you see the spectacle in miami last night?

780 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:29:09am

re: #779 _RememberTonyC

did you see the spectacle in miami last night?

Heck yes! I've had so many King James posts this last week I was worried that Charles was going to start filtering me..
*wink*
I've even had multiple Salary cap posts

781 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:30:38am

re: #778 Obdicut

As an example of police officers who should have the hell prosecuted out of them:


[Video]

They also lied about the incident.

"He kicked horse" (no he didn't)... video is evidence of that... all he was doing is standing there, horse and cop came up to him, then 3-4 cops jumped him... even if he said something nasty to cop on horse, that's clear evidence of brutality.

782 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:31:48am

re: #780 HoosierHoops

Heck yes! I've had so many King James posts this last week I was worried that Charles was going to start filtering me..
*wink*
I've even had multiple Salary cap posts


Miami now has 3 studs and not much else ... yet. They'll score points and play tough D, but they need 5 more "decent" players to be really top shelf. An 8 man rotation with 4 scrubs is all it takes.

783 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:33:55am

re: #782 _RememberTonyC

Miami now has 3 studs and not much else ... yet. They'll score points and play tough D, but they need 5 more "decent" players to be really top shelf. An 8 man rotation with 4 scrubs is all it takes.

They will have a ton of mid level exception players banging on the door to play with these guys...It's the 80's Lakers all over again...

784 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:39:36am

even non sports fans can watch the miami heat next year and learn something. how will three "alpha dogs" make the proper sacrifices for the good of the team? Can they even do that? I can see a possible rift down the road if LeBron surpasses D-Wade as the favorite heat player and Wade gets upset. As I said .... this is a sports story with much crossover appeal. Watch how the Miami sports/entertainment/pop culture scene becomes your next reality series.

786 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:42:17am

re: #784 _RememberTonyC

even non sports fans can watch the miami heat next year and learn something. how will three "alpha dogs" make the proper sacrifices for the good of the team? Can they even do that? I can see a possible rift down the road if LeBron surpasses D-Wade as the favorite heat player and Wade gets upset. As I said ... this is a sports story with much crossover appeal. Watch how the Miami sports/entertainment/pop culture scene becomes your next reality series.

During the Olympics they kicked everybody's ass in the world and became close friends ...This team may become the NBA dream Team

787 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:42:22am

re: #783 HoosierHoops

They will have a ton of mid level exception players banging on the door to play with these guys...It's the 80's Lakers all over again...

with an aging gordon gecko (riles) pulling the strings .... just like with magic and showtime.

788 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:45:37am

re: #787 _RememberTonyC

with an aging gordon gecko (riles) pulling the strings ... just like with magic and showtime.

3 superstars on one team..This is unheard of for 25 years..
That's why you need a superstar coach with 5 rings.. Pat will coach next year at some point...
3 effen superstars!

789 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:56:28am

re: #785 Killgore Trout

Conservative Blogs Discover Obama's Secret Terrorist Plot to Nuke America but 9-11 Truthers are nuts

Her tone gets closer to that of 'Mein Kampf' every day:

We have a long and terrible fight in front of us. The fight is as big as the idea, the foundation, the being of this great nation, the fight for America. Yes, it's as big as all that, and the enemy has no soul, no reason or logic. They are just ruthless, unscrupulous, evil and willing to do whatever it takes to assume absolute control.

They build nothing, produce nothing, create nothing, invent nothing. They steal. They demand. They demoralize. They are destroyers.

790 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:56:42am

re: #497 Gus 802

Maybe. Someone suggested I see a chiropractor but they kind of scare me. The way they twist the neck and such. I think it would need an x-ray or something.

I swear by (and never at) my chiropractor. The "adjustments" (his term) he's done when I've had neck and back troubles have never been anywhere near painful. The only thing he's ever done that I didn't like was "spinal decompression", which is no fun while it's going on but which I guess helps in the long run.

Seriously, if you're in pain, get a recommendation from someone and see a chiropractor. The moment you first realize you don't have any pain is simply sublime.

791 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:58:30am

re: #786 HoosierHoops

During the Olympics they kicked everybody's ass in the world and became close friends ...This team may become the NBA dream Team

miami is a great scene during NBA season, but some guys get seduced by south beach and end up falling short of expectations on the court.

792 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 10:59:23am

re: #789 Jimmah

That's what make the revival of McCarthyism so spooky. These people are convinced that half of the country are dangerous and evil.

793 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:00:50am

re: #789 Jimmah

hideous people .. a disgrace

794 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:02:23am

re: #791 _RememberTonyC

miami is a great scene during NBA season, but some guys get seduced by south beach and end up falling short of expectations on the court.

IMO this pact was made back in the Olympics...They have laid everything on the line...The season Tickets were sold out yesterday...
This is great for Basketball..

795 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #794 HoosierHoops

IMO this pact was made back in the Olympics...They have laid everything on the line...The season Tickets were sold out yesterday...
This is great for Basketball..

it gives tim legler good stuff to talk about

796 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:03:50am

"It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." (Obama)

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property” (Karl Marx)

Sounding more like...

797 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:05:07am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

That's what make the revival of McCarthyism so spooky. These people are convinced that half of the country are dangerous and evil.

She's practically saying they're not human -evil, soulless destroyers - WTF?

What kind of nut brings that kind of talk into a political debate?

798 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:05:13am

re: #782 _RememberTonyC

Miami now has 3 studs and not much else ... yet. They'll score points and play tough D, but they need 5 more "decent" players to be really top shelf. An 8 man rotation with 4 scrubs is all it takes.

remember, they also have mike miller - stud shooter. and Chalmers is good enough to play PG for these guys. i don't know if their rookie center is any good...does anyone else know?

799 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:05:29am

re: #796 Walter L. Newton

"It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." (Obama)

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state… Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property” (Karl Marx)

Sounding more like...


hugo chavez ... a real punk

800 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:08:00am

re: #798 Aceofwhat?

remember, they also have mike miller - stud shooter. and Chalmers is good enough to play PG for these guys. i don't know if their rookie center is any good...does anyone else know?

they're trying to find a way to keep udonis haslem. but the rookies are second round picks, and most will be projects. at the trade deadline next season, they will grab someone who can help them. they'll be fine.

801 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:08:02am

re: #796 Walter L. Newton

What a load.

802 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:08:42am

re: #801 Obdicut

What a load.

What a load of truth.

803 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:09:17am

re: #798 Aceofwhat?

remember, they also have mike miller - stud shooter. and Chalmers is good enough to play PG for these guys. i don't know if their rookie center is any good...does anyone else know?

What if they rotate James to the point? I can't wait to see who the Heat sign up in the next couple of weeks.. They just went big time google news for the next couple of years..

804 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:10:44am

re: #802 Walter L. Newton

The two statements are nothing alike, Walter. Nothing.

805 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:11:55am

re: #592 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've actually eaten at his restaurant in Key West.

So have I, but it was many moons ago. Good cheeseburger, otherwise just another place on Duval Street. bought a nice beach towel there, which has long since been stolen.

Let him blame President Bush, if it makes him feel better. It's far easier to blame one person than to admit something is a clusterf*** with many people at fault. Unlike him, I'm more concerned with stopping the leak and fixing the damage than finding someone from the party out of power to blame.

GWB--Not a great Prez, but a fine scapegoat.

806 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:12:34am

re: #800 _RememberTonyC

they're trying to find a way to keep udonis haslem. but the rookies are second round picks, and most will be projects. at the trade deadline next season, they will grab someone who can help them. they'll be fine.

I can't figure out the numbers..I figured James could get 99 max will 3 max contracts but he got 110.. Even with the beasley 5 mil dump and the 2 mil cap upgrade..How does that work? Where did the money come from? Did Wade take less?
Guess I need to check out Simmons podcast for the numbers

807 avanti  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:14:21am

re: #804 Obdicut

Obama's comment was in response to allowing the temporary tax break given given to the rich by Bush to expire, hardly a Commie plot.

808 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:15:27am

re: #807 avanti

It's completely idiocy of Walter to begin to equate the two in any way, and he knows it. He's just shit-stirring.

I'm not in the mood. I'm going to go shower and enjoy the day in San Francisco.

809 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:16:53am

re: #808 Obdicut

It's completely idiocy of Walter to begin to equate the two in any way, and he knows it. He's just shit-stirring.

I'm not in the mood. I'm going to go shower and enjoy the day in San Francisco.

Ever been to this really small bar in the City called the Black Magic?
I used to play pool there

810 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:17:44am

re: #803 HoosierHoops

What if they rotate James to the point? I can't wait to see who the Heat sign up in the next couple of weeks.. They just went big time google news for the next couple of years..

That's a good question. I honestly don't know how much he enjoys playing that position as a primary role.

811 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:17:55am

re: #671 Aceofwhat?

#6

The Cavaliers should have mock jerseys made up, LeBron in a Miami #666. Proceeds to charity. I'll bet they could sell thousands.

812 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:18:53am

re: #811 ClaudeMonet

The Cavaliers should have mock jerseys made up, LeBron in a Miami #666. Proceeds to charity. I'll bet they could sell thousands.

that's not a bad idea...

813 Ebetty  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:19:03am

re: #808 Obdicut

My fave lunch spot in SFO has to be Claude's. Little bistro type spot, near Kearney. In an alley around the corner from where the old financial district and Chinatown meet. They do a pot du chocolat that will change your life.

Enjoy the day!

814 avanti  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:19:48am

re: #808 Obdicut

It's completely idiocy of Walter to begin to equate the two in any way, and he knows it. He's just shit-stirring.

I'm not in the mood. I'm going to go shower and enjoy the day in San Francisco.

Me either, I have a Studebaker waiting. BTW, I know it can't keep up, but most of my income this year has been from the casino. I'm just risking some of my winnings every week, but so far the nest egg is growing.

815 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:22:00am

re: #792 Killgore Trout

What the hell:


Conspiracy theorists who believe that our own government, led by President Bush, perpetrated the First 9/11 attack on America are fruitcake kooks. A part of their brain is unhinged. But if there is a Second 9/11 attack on America this October, and worse than the first, the fully rational response will be to accuse our own government, led by President Zero, of perpetrating it.

Where's the evidence that Obama committed this non-existent future-crime, upon which a 'rational' accusation would have to be based? Is there a secret chamber somewhere with psychic wingnuts floating around in it, recording their dreams? A sort of Wingnority Report?

816 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:22:23am

re: #804 Obdicut

The two statements are nothing alike, Walter. Nothing.

Walter and _RememberTonyC are exploiting the threatening foreigner meme.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

817 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:22:28am

re: #810 Aceofwhat?

That's a good question. I honestly don't know how much he enjoys playing that position as a primary role.

He gets to rotate to Magic's position every night...He really is Brilliant at point..unstoppable going to the hoop..
If I was the coach..I'd whisper in King James ear.. Every time you jack up a 3 point shot with this team I'm fining you 5 thousand dollars..I really don't care if you make it or not..

818 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:23:05am

re: #816 goddamnedfrank

Walter and _RememberTonyC are exploiting the threatening foreigner meme.

Can we question their patriotism yet?

LOL.... you're cute.

819 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:23:14am

re: #798 Aceofwhat?

remember, they also have mike miller - stud shooter. and Chalmers is good enough to play PG for these guys. i don't know if their rookie center is any good...does anyone else know?

GATOR!

820 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:23:37am

re: #800 _RememberTonyC

they're trying to find a way to keep udonis haslem. but the rookies are second round picks, and most will be projects. at the trade deadline next season, they will grab someone who can help them. they'll be fine.

GATOR!

I think I'm starting to like the Heat.

821 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:24:43am

re: #799 _RememberTonyC

hugo chavez ... a real punk

A while back I posted a link in which he said he was targeting the bourgeoisie. I believe it was at a rally with about 20,000 members of his proletariat militia, all of whom are allowed to own firearms.

822 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:25:03am

re: #524 Boogberg

That's the end of the line for you. Apparently you didn't get the hint with a 24-hour timeout, so your account is now history.

823 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:26:40am

re: #807 avanti

Obama's comment was in response to allowing the temporary tax break given given to the rich by Bush to expire, hardly a Commie plot.

Why does Obama hate the rich? ////

Just a little something interesting that debunks a certain popular wingnut myth, btw:

Biggest Defaulters on Mortgages Are the Rich

Whether it is their residence, a second home or a house bought as an investment, the rich have stopped paying the mortgage at a rate that greatly exceeds the rest of the population.

More than one in seven homeowners with loans in excess of a million dollars are seriously delinquent, according to data compiled for The New York Times by the real estate analytics firm CoreLogic.

824 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:27:13am

re: #815 Jimmah

What the hell:

Where's the evidence that Obama committed this non-existent future-crime, upon which a 'rational' accusation would have to be based? Is there a secret chamber somewhere with psychic wingnuts floating around in it, recording their dreams? A sort of Wingnority Report?

It's odd but I seen it all the time on Paulian boards. Conspiracy theorists hate other conspiracy theorists.

825 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:28:25am

Speaking of the owners of the means of productionl,...

The president of Venezuela's only opposition-aligned television channel asked for help from the Organization of American States on Friday, saying he wants its human rights commission to determine if he truly committed a crime in his homeland.

Guillermo Zuloaga, Globovision's majority owner, visited the OAS' offices in Washington to make the request of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

Globovision broadcast images of Zuloaga saying he went to the OAS office "to seek the justice we don't find in Venezuela."

"President Chavez knows that we have not committed a crime," Zuloaga said.

Zuloaga - an outspoken critic of President Hugo Chavez - suggested the socialist leader ordered charges to be brought against him because he "fears freedom of expression" along with what many government foes perceive as rising public discontent over crime, double-digit inflation and corruption.

SNIP

826 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:28:28am

re: #823 iceweasel

Sorry, forgot the link.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:28:48am

re: #824 Killgore Trout

Especially those who get more juice on their particular conspiracy.

828 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:29:16am

Oops. Pardon the typo!

829 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:29:36am

re: #822 Charles

holy crap, i didn't even see that. thanks, Charles.

830 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:30:03am

re: #770 MandyManners

Suburban gangsters?! Too cute for words.

Reminds me of when I was playing doc in a suburban production of West Side Story. One rehearsal I got so pissed off at the faux toughness that I lost it--"You assholes wouldn't last five minutes on Amsterdam Avenue!", along with some references to neighborhoods here in which they'd pee their pants if they had a car breakdown. "Dammitall, pretend you've got a pair down there!"

By and large they didn't have a f'in clue what I was talking about, and it showed on stage.

831 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:30:54am

re: #822 Charles

That's the end of the line for you. Apparently you didn't get the hint with a 24-hour timeout, so your account is now history.

I was just saying to iceweasel a little while ago that I had remembered that poster on a very fucked up website - "The Happy Extremist" a few years ago. (Same nic, same avatar).

I knew that site because the site I was on at the time was getting trolled by it for a while.

832 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:30:55am

re: #830 ClaudeMonet

Hard to dance like that and look tough...

833 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:31:24am

re: #829 Aceofwhat?

holy crap, i didn't even see that. thanks, Charles.

I hadn't either. Completely disgusting.
That guy went fullon troll from the second he got back from his timeout though. Even so, I'd missed that particular comment. Ugh!

834 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:32:06am

re: #824 Killgore Trout

It's odd but I seen it all the time on Paulian boards. Conspiracy theorists hate other conspiracy theorists.

Delusional people are often only blind to their own delusions - they can see other's no problem - even when it's essentially exactly the same one.

835 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:33:00am

re: #830 ClaudeMonet

Reminds me of when I was playing doc in a suburban production of West Side Story. One rehearsal I got so pissed off at the faux toughness that I lost it--"You assholes wouldn't last five minutes on Amsterdam Avenue!", along with some references to neighborhoods here in which they'd pee their pants if they had a car breakdown. "Dammitall, pretend you've got a pair down there!"

By and large they didn't have a f'in clue what I was talking about, and it showed on stage.

it's a tough gig to begin with...showtunes don't exactly help one exude 'tough guy' on stage/

836 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:33:28am

re: #833 iceweasel

I hadn't either. Completely disgusting.
That guy went fullon troll from the second he got back from his timeout though. Even so, I'd missed that particular comment. Ugh!

good riddance to obvious rubbish

837 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:33:44am

re: #832 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hard to dance like that and look tough...

gmta, my good fellow

838 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:34:31am

re: #821 MandyManners

A while back I posted a link in which he said he was targeting the bourgeoisie. I believe it was at a rally with about 20,000 members of his proletariat militia, all of whom are allowed to own firearms.

Here it is.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

839 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:35:04am

re: #832 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hard to dance like that and look tough...

Not if you have the right choreographer it isn't.

840 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:35:12am

re: #822 Charles

That's the end of the line for you. Apparently you didn't get the hint with a 24-hour timeout, so your account is now history.

Ugh. I missed that one. Thank goodness.

841 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:36:28am

re: #833 iceweasel

I told him it was "not so much".

But, the Schubert Unfinished Symphony he was referring to from an earlier post was wonderful.

I'll post it here again, so folks can listen untainted.

842 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:36:35am

re: #830 ClaudeMonet

Reminds me of when I was playing doc in a suburban production of West Side Story. One rehearsal I got so pissed off at the faux toughness that I lost it--"You assholes wouldn't last five minutes on Amsterdam Avenue!", along with some references to neighborhoods here in which they'd pee their pants if they had a car breakdown. "Dammitall, pretend you've got a pair down there!"

By and large they didn't have a f'in clue what I was talking about, and it showed on stage.

No method acting would work?

843 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:37:20am

re: #842 MandyManners

No method acting would work?

I reckon not since they had no clue in the first place.

844 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:37:39am

re: #774 Obdicut

So what is the fault? And where then is the blame? And ultimately, why is only this one officer in the dock?

What this really is, is an utter failure of training. When you have a stress filled job that requires lethal force - the military, police and a tiny handful of others - you train in procedures. You take a situation and you train for it; over and over and over until you can do it in the heat of the moment without thought because when the situation happens you will not be thinking you will simply be acting.

Once you have the first situation burned into your muscle memory, you then move onto the next one. Repeat until you've gone through all situations. Then begin at number one again - oh and all the time you're also doing your mission. If you're lucky, you're a soldier and it's peacetime and your mistakes don't kill someone.

In the video that has been released, you have someone who has had a failure of training. He pulls his taser, incorrectly re-holsters it & pulls his service firearm instead. This is someone who did not have training that made him know which was which under any circumstance. Unfortunately this is not uncommon.

Training is destiny in the military and in the police. When an ambush happens you have to react - if you think, you're dead. Likewise there were many cases over the decades where officers were taught bad reloading techniques and in gunfights they died as a result - see the infamous FBI Miami shootout for one example here .

I am not sure what should be the result here. Had he been a soldier, he would have been looking at 20 years at Ft Leavenworth. But his chain of command would also have been investigated regarding his training and supervision. Those with responsibility would have been also held accountable and that never seems to happen in the civilian world.

I spent 16 years in the military and will not mistake it for anything civilian. But the last several years I spent helping to train MPs & I can not believe that we, as a nation, can accept that the BART standards appear to be so much lower.

845 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:37:52am

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Not if you have the right choreographer it isn't.

I played Riff in High School. Was really sad they didn't make me Bernardo.

IT COULD HAPPEN!

846 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:38:26am

re: #831 Jimmah

I was just saying to iceweasel a little while ago that I had remembered that poster on a very fucked up website - "The Happy Extremist" a few years ago. (Same nic, same avatar).

That website also hosted such luminaries as 'Ronbo'. This nutcase claimed to have been caught stalking Clinton with a gun near the White House, and then later made a post suggesting that he was about to martyr himself as a protest against Obama's election. He didn't, of course.

847 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:41:40am

re: #842 MandyManners

No method acting would work?

Method acting requires that a person take on a persona pretty much 24 hours a day... but at the same time, slide out of it enough to function. You don't have to necessarily act it out with others in your presence... but it does require you to get in a constant state of mind of that character and character type... the big problem is actors who can't tone it down enough off set or off stage to react normally.

848 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:42:55am

re: #841 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I told him it was "not so much".

But, the Schubert Unfinished Symphony he was referring to from an earlier post was wonderful.

I'll post it here again, so folks can listen untainted.

You're a good man, FBV.
Pretty clear what that jerk was up to. Even admitted it right here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

849 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:43:23am

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Not if you have the right choreographer it isn't.

That we did not have. The choreographer lived about 70 miles away and only came to rehearsals on Sundays, demanded that everyone be at all of "her" rehearsals. We had quite a confrontation when the guy playing Lt. Schrank pointed out that he and I were among the roles that don't dance (or sing) in the show and shouldn't have to be at choreography or vocal rehearsals.

Thankfully, that was over 15 years ago and I don't work with that low-rent a kind of group anymore. Now I work with a better class of a**holes in theater. I'm still friends with some of that old crowd, though, including doing different productions of Guys & Dolls within the last two years involving the Riff and Bernardo from that long-ago West Side Story.

850 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:43:33am

re: #845 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I played Riff in High School. Was really sad they didn't make me Bernardo.

IT COULD HAPPEN!

(bites tongue, no fat jokes)... er... you would probably have made a wonderful Bernardo...

851 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:45:50am

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

I thought my complexion and Puerto Rican good looks made me a shoe in!

852 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:46:59am

re: #848 iceweasel

You're a good man, FBV.
Pretty clear what that jerk was up to. Even admitted it right here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Funny I sent you a private Tweet this morning about this wad. This morning he let us know that he hates cats.

853 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:47:43am

re: #849 ClaudeMonet

That we did not have. The choreographer lived about 70 miles away and only came to rehearsals on Sundays, demanded that everyone be at all of "her" rehearsals. We had quite a confrontation when the guy playing Lt. Schrank pointed out that he and I were among the roles that don't dance (or sing) in the show and shouldn't have to be at choreography or vocal rehearsals.

Thankfully, that was over 15 years ago and I don't work with that low-rent a kind of group anymore. Now I work with a better class of a**holes in theater. I'm still friends with some of that old crowd, though, including doing different productions of Guys & Dolls within the last two years involving the Riff and Bernardo from that long-ago West Side Story.

If you are on stage at any time during a dance or movement number, you should be at the dance rehearsals... at least some of them. And in a musical, even the character parts, none singing, none dancing should have a good feel for the rhythm of a scene (if you are in the scene).

So... if that choreographer could only come once a week, then I can see why she would want all cast members available. Movement in general during a musical number is her responsibility, so if you were anywhere near a scene, she would want you present.

And you never know, she may have also seen something she would have wanted to include, something she hadn't planned for the none damcing roles, something that she would have to have the bodies present for.

There are a number of good reason to have you there.

854 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:48:48am

re: #853 Walter L. Newton

If you are on stage at any time during a dance or movement number, you should be at the dance rehearsals... at least some of them. And in a musical, even the character parts, none singing, none dancing should have a good feel for the rhythm of a scene (if you are in the scene).

So... if that choreographer could only come once a week, then I can see why she would want all cast members available. Movement in general during a musical number is her responsibility, so if you were anywhere near a scene, she would want you present.

And you never know, she may have also seen something she would have wanted to include, something she hadn't planned for the none damcing roles, something that she would have to have the bodies present for.

There are a number of good reason to have you there.

Er... Wally is typing bad... none = non (silly me)

855 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:49:07am

re: #841 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, gosh. That really is lovely.

856 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:49:17am

GERMANS SCORE!
Nice strike

857 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:49:33am

re: #850 Walter L. Newton

(bites tongue, no fat jokes)... er... you would probably have made a wonderful Bernardo...

The irony is that our Tony, then about 180 pounds and straight (married our Maria a year later), is now about 260 and gay. Our Bernardo, then about 230 pounds, weighs around 280 now (but carries it much better, as he's about 6'5"). Riff, around 170 then, weighs around 200 now. We all joke about it--"Weight Scale Story".

858 webevintage  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:50:47am

re: #823 iceweasel

Whether it is their residence, a second home or a house bought as an investment, the rich have stopped paying the mortgage at a rate that greatly exceeds the rest of the population.

More than one in seven homeowners with loans in excess of a million dollars are seriously delinquent, according to data compiled for The New York Times by the real estate analytics firm CoreLogic.


Of course when the well off do it they are making fiscally sound decisions...
/

My favorite of the day:
The Rich Got Rich And The Poor Got Poorer. But Ain't We Got Fun?
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]

But hey, it is all good...not like we need the working and middle class to have money to spend so that the rich can stay rich.

859 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:51:19am

re: #852 Gus 802

Funny I sent you a private Tweet this morning about this wad. This morning he let us know that he hates cats.

Probably because Mohammed liked cats and disliked dogs. That would be par for the course for the folk from that site.

860 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:51:26am

The text of a hysterical SNL skit spoofing West Side Story...

861 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:52:08am

re: #852 Gus 802

Funny I sent you a private Tweet this morning about this wad. This morning he let us know that he hates cats.


Gotta draw the line right there.

862 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:54:32am

re: #824 Killgore Trout

It's odd but I seen it all the time on Paulian boards. Conspiracy theorists hate other conspiracy theorists.

I think it's because they don't like the competition.

Seriously. Part of the draw of conspiracy theories for nuts is that it gives them a sense of power in an otherwise powerless life to believe they are among the elect, the very few who 'know the real truth'.
This is why they're seductive for a certain kind of nut, and also self-defeating. On some level the conspiracy theorist doesn't want his theories to become widely accepted-- then he won't be special any more. That's why they fight viciously with other conspiracy nuts, and why they're so impervious to logic and incapable of employing it themselves.

Pretty good summary here of an interesting psych paper I keep posting, about hyperactive pattern recognition, conspiracy theorists, and the psych dynamic behind them:

Lacking control drives false conclusions, conspiracy theories and superstitions

Journal info:
Lacking Control Increases Illusory Pattern Perception/ Whitson, Galinsky Science 3 October 2008:
Vol. 322. no. 5898, pp. 115 - 117
DOI: 10.1126/science.1159845

863 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:54:37am

re: #856 HoosierHoops

GERMANS SCORE!
Nice strike

That was a good goal.

864 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:54:38am

re: #859 Jimmah

Probably because Mohammed liked cats and disliked dogs. That would be par for the course for the folk from that site.

Yeah I looked at that profile that you linked above. Which is not him but damn. What a lunatic. I can't believe how many crazies came out of the wood work after 911.

865 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:55:12am

re: #852 Gus 802

Funny I sent you a private Tweet this morning about this wad. This morning he let us know that he hates cats.

This is what I get for not logging into twitter! grrr.
Hope you're well Gus and that your neck isn't too bad.

866 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:55:34am

I disagree with the announcers. I like that Suarez gets booed every time he gets close to the ball.

867 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:56:35am

re: #865 iceweasel

This is what I get for not logging into twitter! grrr.
Hope you're well Gus and that your neck isn't too bad.

Ice! Neck's OK for the moment. Haven't really Tweeted you much -- there a few.

868 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:56:43am

re: #853 Walter L. Newton

If you are on stage at any time during a dance or movement number, you should be at the dance rehearsals... at least some of them. And in a musical, even the character parts, none singing, none dancing should have a good feel for the rhythm of a scene (if you are in the scene).

So... if that choreographer could only come once a week, then I can see why she would want all cast members available. Movement in general during a musical number is her responsibility, so if you were anywhere near a scene, she would want you present.

And you never know, she may have also seen something she would have wanted to include, something she hadn't planned for the none damcing roles, something that she would have to have the bodies present for.

There are a number of good reason to have you there.

I was normally around anyway, as many of us would work on set building when not needed on stage. What boiled us is that she wanted everyone watching the choreography all the time, even for the scenes we weren't even in. My character, Doc, like Lt. Schrank, was never on stage during the musical numbers, so why should we have been asked to sit through choreography (which is boring and unproductive for those not involved)?

As you know, time is often the key to a good show. A great director, choreographer, vocal director, etc., does not waste ANY time and never wastes the time of the people he/she/they are directing.

869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:57:05am

re: #866 darthstar

Mebbe his first name is Hugh and it just sounds like a boo.

That always happens to me when I'm on stage. Sounds just like a boo.

Really.

*blink*

870 darthstar  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:58:19am

Uruguay equalizes.

871 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:58:25am

Score! Tied 1-1 Good game

872 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 11:59:53am

...

873 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:00:14pm

Oops, messed up characters.

874 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:00:15pm

re: #871 HoosierHoops

Score! Tied 1-1 Good game

If Spain's matches to date are any indication, anyone wanting to see exciting football had better be watching today. I am certainly hopeful the Dutch and break the chain of boredom, and I will be wearing orange as I watch.

875 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:00:30pm

re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mebbe his first name is Hugh and it just sounds like a boo.

That always happens to me when I'm on stage. Sounds just like a boo.

Really.

*blink*

Keep saying that enough and maybe you'll start believing it.

I've only been booed once on stage other than in response to a groaner of a pun. Folks here are sometimes too kind.

876 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:00:44pm

< Rubs eyes. Though I just read an "Obama's a Marxist!!11ty" meme here before.

If Obama's a Marxist he's the laziest Marxist on the face of the planet. I know I could do much better if I were one. I'd start with a whole slew of executive orders... But, that would probably be just feeding into some fantasy.

//

877 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:02:03pm

re: #874 bratwurst

If Spain's matches to date are any indication, anyone wanting to see exciting football had better be watching today. I am certainly hopeful the Dutch and break the chain of boredom, and I will be wearing orange as I watch.

Go Dutch!

878 webevintage  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:02:34pm

re: #876 Gus 802

< Rubs eyes. Though I just read an "Obama's a Marxist!!11ty" meme here before.

If Obama's a Marxist he's the laziest Marxist on the face of the planet. I know I could do much better if I were one. I'd start with a whole slew of executive orders... But, that would probably be just feeding into some fantasy.

//

If I was in charge Glenn Beck would be locked away somewhere in my Evil Overlord's Lair....

879 Gus  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:05:07pm

re: #878 webevintage

If I was in charge Glenn Beck would be locked away somewhere in my Evil Overlord's Lair...

Excellent plan! We should do an "if I where a Communist thread" someday.

I'd start by arrest all Tea Party protesters and sending them to re-education camp... in Alaska!

//

880 Bear  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:11:54pm

re: #879 Gus 802

What do you have against us up here?

881 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:13:01pm

re: #879 Gus 802

Excellent plan! We should do an "if I where a Communist thread" someday.

I'd start by arrest all Tea Party protesters and sending them to re-education camp... in Alaska!

//

Parts of Alaska are amazingly beautiful. I'd send them to eastern New Mexico, somewhere between Roswell and Clovis. Desolation Boulevard.

882 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 12:15:21pm

re: #876 Gus 802


If Obama's a Marxist he's the laziest Marxist on the face of the planet.

And that's just LIKE those Marxists. Freeloaders and lazy. Therefore Obama is the Marxiest Marxist ever. QED./

883 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #799 _RememberTonyC

hugo chavez ... a real punk

not that i really care that much, but why is anyone bothered that i compared karl marx to chavez? i think they're kindred spirits.

884 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:05:50pm

re: #806 HoosierHoops

I can't figure out the numbers..I figured James could get 99 max will 3 max contracts but he got 110.. Even with the beasley 5 mil dump and the 2 mil cap upgrade..How does that work? Where did the money come from? Did Wade take less?
Guess I need to check out Simmons podcast for the numbers


they worked out a sign and trade .... miami gave cleveland some draft picks so they could give LBJ more money via the sign and trade deal.

885 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jul 10, 2010 2:10:48pm

re: #816 goddamnedfrank

Walter and _RememberTonyC are exploiting the threatening foreigner meme.

Can we question their patriotism yet?


i don't think so ...... i think there were assumptions made by some who dislike me that are flat wrong. I said the person acting like a marxist was hugio chavez and i called him a punk. what is wrong with people? jeez.


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