1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:49:45pm

I don't know where they're going.

2 darthstar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:50:07pm

Ahh...new thread smell...love it.

Oh, and one more thing on Sharron Angle...she's got a pastor problem. Look at what her fucktard preacher says about Harry Reid:

"His religion’s a cult," Pastor Reed said. "The Christian community—all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults. Well, there must be a reason. I mean, here a member of a cult is one of the most powerful people in the United States. Doesn’t that alarm you?

Full story here.

3 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:51:36pm

re: #1 Charles

I don't know where they're going.

Well if you had used Elephants Lemming instead of pigs, I would say over a cliff.

4 darthstar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:51:46pm

re: #1 Charles

I don't know where they're going.

They're going where the wind don't blow so strange.

Going where the wind don't blow so strange
Maybe on some high cold mountain range
Lost one round but the price wasn't anything
Knife in a back and more of the same

Speaking of which...I'm gone. :)

5 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:52:04pm

They're going towards food, I'm sure.

It seems like all animals will go to food.

I know that's how I get my dog back, when he escapes the leash - offer him the cat's food, he comes running right back.

6 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:53:23pm
7 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:53:38pm

re: #1 Charles

I don't know where they're going.

A barbecue?

8 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:53:53pm

They're either going to slaughter or the trough.

/

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:54:00pm

The amazing thing about these pigs is that they're only 1/4 inch in length.

10 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:58:16pm

re: #9 Charles

The amazing thing about these pigs is that they're only 1/4 inch in length.

I was going to guess that I knew where they came from, but these pigs are 7/8" long. You got some tiny pigs there.

11 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 3:59:15pm

"wheee, wheee, wheee" all the way to the market!
(Boy is that Geico Commercial annoying)

12 darthstar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:00:54pm

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

"wheee, wheee, wheee" all the way to the market!
(Boy is that Geico Commercial annoying)

I love that Geico commercial...one of their best. "Thanks, Mrs. A." Ha!

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:01:57pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

Mine are antiques, from before the government over-regulated the mini-pig market. The newer mini-pigs are gargantuan by comparison.

14 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:03:57pm

re: #12 darthstar

I love that Geico commercial...one of their best. "Thanks, Mrs. A." Ha!

the look on her face is just priceless

15 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:04:36pm

Course they could have had the pig in the back seat saying "I gotta go!" over and over again

16 elizajane  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:06:37pm

Sharon "I gotta go!" Angle just told a crowd of supporters that Dearborn Michigan was now operating under Sharia law. Also, for some reason, Frankford Texas.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Common garden lies are not enough for this woman. BLATANT all the way.

17 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:09:53pm

re: #9 Charles

The amazing thing about these pigs is that they're only 1/4 inch in length.

Plastic Injection Molding. It's a wonderful thing.

re: #13 Charles

Mine are antiques, from before the government over-regulated the mini-pig market. The newer mini-pigs are gargantuan by comparison.

History of Plastic Injection Molding

The first man-made plastic was invented in Britain in 1851 by Alexander Parkes. He publicly demonstrated it at the 1862 International Exhibition in London, calling the material he produced "Parkesine." Derived from cellulose, Parkesine could be heated, molded, and retain its shape when cooled. It was, however, expensive to produce, prone to cracking, and highly flammable.

18 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:11:37pm

re: #9 Charles

The amazing thing about these pigs is that they're only 1/4 inch in length.

How many of these pigs does it take to make a bacon sandwich?

19 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:12:54pm

re: #17 Bubblehead II

Plastic Injection Molding. It's a wonderful thing.

1&feature=fvwp

re: #13 Charles

History of Plastic Injection Molding

The first man-made plastic was invented in Britain in 1851 by Alexander Parkes. He publicly demonstrated it at the 1862 International Exhibition in London, calling the material he produced "Parkesine." Derived from cellulose, Parkesine could be heated, molded, and retain its shape when cooled. It was, however, expensive to produce, prone to cracking, and highly flammable.

At Brookfield Zoo in Chicago they have these coin operated injection molding machines that make little animals. I've never seen them anywhere else. One of my fondest memories from childhood.

20 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:16:17pm

Maybe Campbell's let the pigs go after the Halal line started to do well... Ah layoffs are everywhere.

//

21 prairiefire  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:17:08pm

re: #19 PT Barnum

At Brookfield Zoo in Chicago they have these coin operated injection molding machines that make little animals. I've never seen them anywhere else. One of my fondest memories from childhood.

The Museum Of Science And Industry has those machines as well. I can smell the hot plastic now.

22 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:17:12pm

re: #19 PT Barnum

At Brookfield Zoo in Chicago they have these coin operated injection molding machines that make little animals. I've never seen them anywhere else. One of my fondest memories from childhood.

Cool. You probably don't see them anywhere else because of the cost.

Charles, Any idea on why the You Tube video didn't come up like it should have?

23 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:17:44pm

re: #19 PT Barnum

At Brookfield Zoo in Chicago they have these coin operated injection molding machines that make little animals. I've never seen them anywhere else. One of my fondest memories from childhood.

Mold O Rama!

24 sagehen  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:17:46pm

Those are working pigs. They're on their way to the truffle forest.

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:18:38pm

Big man pig man

ha ha charade you are

(that's Gilmour doing the bass intro, not waters IIRC)

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:18:57pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

bastard! beat me!

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:22:42pm

Anybody read "The Pig Who Sang to the Moon"?

If you eat meat, I highly discourage the book.

I'm just sayin'.

(Holier than thou mode off)

28 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:24:31pm

Those would make some really baby baby back ribs... I could smoke them up....

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:25:22pm

re: #28 Thanos

They'd go with those little ears of corn...

30 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:26:26pm

They look like fightin pigs

31 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They'd go with those little ears of corn...

... and those tiny one bite pecan pies...

32 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:26:41pm

and little tiny cans of beer.

33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #32 PT Barnum

And happy little trees...

34 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:29:02pm

re: #32 PT Barnum

and little tiny cans of beer.

Thimble beers! There used to be a spaghetti joint near Berzerkeley that served trays of those -- 100 shot glasses of beers for a buck. The back alley behind that place was a technicolor painting...

35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:30:10pm

re: #34 Thanos

Ugh... spaghetti and beer... defining projectile...

36 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:31:05pm

Suprised no one got to this one;

37 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:31:12pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

bastard! beat me!

It's such a great album. Floyd held up well over time. Even the early albums like Saucer Full of Secrets stood the test of time pretty well.

38 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:31:15pm

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That alley was some of the finest noodle art I've ever seen

39 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:35:28pm

Talk about a timely word. Says right how I feel right now. Just gotta work my ass off going forward.

40 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:35:33pm

Carl Paladino: Andrew Cuomo's "Prowess is Legendary"

"For weeks, the media has badgered me about affairs, because unlike a career politician, I was honest enough to acknowledge she was my daughter," he says, before ticking off some of the questions he said he had been asked.

"Does the media ask Andrew such questions?" Paladino continues, referring to his opponent, Democratic attorney general Andrew Cuomo. He adds: "Andrew's prowess is legendary."

Paladino has raised claims of extramarital affairs on Cuomo's part before, though he has not provided any proof to support the allegations.

Immediately after the "prowess is legendary" comment, Paladino says the campaign shouldn't be about such allegations, since New York is "in a death spiral." He then discusses many of his proposals.

Paladino closes the video by challenging Cuomo to debate, saying, "Come out and debate like a man."

The charge comes despite the fact that Cuomo has already agreed to debate.

41 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:37:25pm

I usually don't acknowledge what the stalkers write but yesterday they were scoffing at the thread about Glenn Beck stealing Alex Jones' crazy.
Today we have Alex Jones and Fox News host (and beck fill in) Andrew Napolitano taking credit for influencing Beck.

Also another defense of Beck from the John Birch Society.

This stuff has become so routine that I hesitate to even bother pointing it out anymore but some people still haven't gotten the message.

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:39:10pm

re: #2 darthstar

Ahh...new thread smell...love it.

Oh, and one more thing on Sharron Angle...she's got a pastor problem. Look at what her fucktard preacher says about Harry Reid:


Full story here.

On the one hand Arizona is 6% LDS, on the other hand the anti-LDS movement is strong there, according to Mormons from Arizona that I know.

43 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:39:14pm

I strongly suggest people tweet their pages. It really makes a difference.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:39:58pm

re: #19 PT Barnum

At Brookfield Zoo in Chicago they have these coin operated injection molding machines that make little animals. I've never seen them anywhere else. One of my fondest memories from childhood.

They have at least one still at the Henry Vilas Zoo here in Madison & ISTR there being one at the Museum of Science and Industry down in Chicago too. Perhaps it was a midwest thing?

45 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:40:16pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Carl Paladino: Andrew Cuomo's "Prowess is Legendary"

He sounds like a real piece of work. Hope Cuomo clobbers him back in to obscurity.

46 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:44:44pm

re: #44 wlewisiii

They have at least one still at the Henry Vilas Zoo here in Madison & ISTR there being one at the Museum of Science and Industry down in Chicago too. Perhaps it was a midwest thing?

Close to the slaughter houses

How fitting!!

//

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:44:56pm

re: #2 darthstar

Ahh...new thread smell...love it.

Oh, and one more thing on Sharron Angle...she's got a pastor problem. Look at what her fucktard preacher says about Harry Reid:

Full story here.

Huh. Now can I bitch and cry and whine and backbite about how many years she sat in this dude's church for the next howevermanyyears, or is this different because he's white and bigoted against Mormons?

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:47:57pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh. Now can I bitch and cry and whine and backbite about how many years she sat in this dude's church for the next howevermanyyears, or is this different because he's white and bigoted against Mormons?

It's different because he didn't say goddamn America. However if he said that tolerance of gays and lesbians and secularism caused 9-11, he may even be treated as a legitimate preacher.

50 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:48:03pm

re: #44 wlewisiii

They have at least one still at the Henry Vilas Zoo here in Madison & ISTR there being one at the Museum of Science and Industry down in Chicago too. Perhaps it was a midwest thing?

There's one at the Henry Ford Museum. (AKA Greenfield Village)

51 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:50:03pm

Ahhhhh, the harpy seems to be having problems with her donations.

But GPAL is having problems. How bad? I don't know but I do know that I have not been able to transfer any monies donated to Atlas and SIOA out of GPAL. Robert at Jihadwatch is experiencing the same thing.

Karma. It's a bitch

52 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:51:21pm

re: #51 Bubblehead II

Karma. It's a bitch

I think I dated her too!

53 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:54:28pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

Karma. It's a bitch

I think I dated her too!

Take that back.

I'm gonna lose my dinner.
/

54 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:55:44pm

re: #53 researchok

Take that back.

I'm gonna lose my dinner.
/

Now, why would you bet your dinner?

55 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:56:56pm

Update on the foreclosure bill.

Obama vetoes bill to speed foreclosures

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- President Obama won't sign a bill that could have made it easier for courts to clear foreclosures, the White House said Thursday.

The bill would have required federal and state courts to recognize documents that were notarized in other states.

Both congressional chambers approved the legislation by voice votes, a move used for noncontroversial bills. The House passed it in April, and the Senate passed it Sept. 27...

Good news.

56 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:57:13pm

re: #54 sattv4u2

Now, why would you bet your dinner?

I'd never would have beloved you dated Pam.

57 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:58:25pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Update on the foreclosure bill.

Obama vetoes bill to speed foreclosures

Good news.

Very good news.

Post elections all hell is going top break loose re the foreclosures.

More fraud than when they were first issued.

58 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 4:59:55pm

re: #57 researchok

Very good news.

Post elections all hell is going top break loose re the foreclosures.

More fraud than when they were first issued.

Yeah. It was pretty slimy in how they ALL passed it on a voice vote. Non-controversial my ass.

59 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:00:03pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Update on the foreclosure bill.

Obama vetoes bill to speed foreclosures

Good news.

Elitist ;)
I kid obviously.

60 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:00:40pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Elitist ;)
I kid obviously.

Class warfare!

/

61 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:01:09pm

re: #56 researchok

I'd never would have beloved you dated Pam.

Wha ,,,, you've never heard the expression Blind Drunk?

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:02:06pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Class warfare!

/

We had class warfare once. It was the teacher's fault, though. If you let a 5th grade class compete boy-girl, it will get ugly.

Especially if the subject is vocabulary, and the child with the biggest vocabulary in the room is a girl.

63 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:03:17pm

re: #62 EmmmieG

We had class warfare once. It was the teacher's fault, though. If you let a 5th grade class compete boy-girl, it will get ugly.

Especially if the subject is vocabulary, and the child with the biggest vocabulary in the room is a girl.

Here I thought it involved a straw, some paper, and spit.

Is that still legal in schools?

//

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:03:20pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

Wha ,,, you've never heard the expression Blind Drunk?

I have. How's the mom?

65 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:04:54pm

re: #51 Bubblehead II

Ahhh, the harpy seems to be having problems with her donations.

But GPAL is having problems. How bad? I don't know but I do know that I have not been able to transfer any monies donated to Atlas and SIOA out of GPAL. Robert at Jihadwatch is experiencing the same thing.

Karma. It's a bitch

Really, I would think that if the Gnome was having the same problems as the harpy, he would have posted about it. But nary a word over there.

66 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:04:57pm

Prayers for Satt's mom, Satt and family...

67 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:06:17pm

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have. How's the mom?

Just found out she's not doing as well as they had hoped. They're transferring her to Massachusetts General Hospital (one of the best in the country) for more aggressive treatments

I have several things to take care of with a lawyer here then I'm flying up there Saturday

Thanks for asking

68 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:06:48pm

re: #66 Taqyia2Me

Prayers for Satt's mom, Satt and family...

Thanks T

You guys saying that means a lot to me

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:07:56pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

All right. I'll bbl. Just wanted the update. See ya in a bit.

70 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:08:36pm

re: #51 Bubblehead II

Ahhh, the harpy seems to be having problems with her donations.

But GPAL is having problems. How bad? I don't know but I do know that I have not been able to transfer any monies donated to Atlas and SIOA out of GPAL. Robert at Jihadwatch is experiencing the same thing.

Karma. It's a bitch

She signed up with a payment system apparently run by gun enthusiasts. The 'G' in 'Gpal' stands for ... guns.

Now she's wondering why she's having problems.

71 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:08:37pm
72 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:10:05pm

re: #71 Gus 802

Image: r-POT-huge.jpg

//

Me gusta :)

73 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:10:45pm

re: #63 Gus 802

Here I thought it involved a straw, some paper, and spit.

Is that still legal in schools?

//

That was one of my ideas for when countries wanted to go to war

Take 20 fifth graders on each side

Last kid not grossed out wins!

(and yes,, you can get "grossed out" of someone ELSES spitball lands down YOUR throat ,,,,,, don't ask!!)

74 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:12:06pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

That was one of my ideas for when countries wanted to go to war

Take 20 fifth graders on each side

Last kid not grossed out wins!

(and yes,, you can get "grossed out" of IF someone ELSES spitball lands down YOUR throat ,,, don't ask!!)

75 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:14:24pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

That was one of my ideas for when countries wanted to go to war

Take 20 fifth graders on each side

Last kid not grossed out wins!

(and yes,, you can get "grossed out" of someone ELSES spitball lands down YOUR throat ,,, don't ask!!)

Yeah, if they got too wet it could be pretty gross. There was always rubber bands. There was this weird trend were kids would clump up some paper towels and soak them in water and throw them against the restroom walls or ceilings.

76 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:16:26pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Yeah, if they got too wet it could be pretty gross. There was always rubber bands. There was this weird trend were kids would clump up some paper towels and soak them in water and throw them against the restroom walls or ceilings.

We did that

77 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:16:43pm

Strange.

Mississippi Lawyer Jailed for Not Reciting Pledge in Courtroom

TUPELO, Miss. | When a Mississippi judge entered a courtroom and asked everyone to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, a lawyer with a reputation for fighting free speech battles stayed silent as everyone else recited the patriotic oath. The lawyer was jailed.

Lawyer Danny Lampley spent about five hours behind bars Wednesday before Judge Talmadge Littlejohn set him free so the lawyer could work on another case. Lampley told The Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal he respected the judge but wasn't going to back down.

"I don't have to say it because I'm an American," Lampley told the newspaper.

The Supreme Court ruled nearly 70 years ago that schoolchildren couldn't be forced to say the pledge, a decision widely interpreted to mean no one could be required to recite the pledge...

78 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:18:43pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

Wha ,,, you've never heard the expression Blind Drunk?

Musta been some drunk!

79 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:19:00pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Strange.

Mississippi Lawyer Jailed for Not Reciting Pledge in Courtroom

This should be a non-issue... take it from an ex-Jehovah's Witness... they went through his with the Supreme Court... they won.

80 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:19:22pm

re: #70 Charles

"I withdrew funds last week for a new bus campaign I was initiating and still nothing. An August transfer still has not come threw."

Her typing & grammar leave so very much to be desired!

81 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:19:35pm

re: #78 researchok

Musta been some drunk!

As old sailors say

Any Port in a Storm!

82 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

As old sailors say

Any Port in a Storm!

Musta been some storm.

83 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:20:00pm

Ugh.

Yoga a dangerous 'risk' for Christians, cautions evangelical leader Albert Mohler, sparking backlash

A feud over yoga and religion has left many Christians bent out of shape.

Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler unleashed a storm of controversy when he penned a critical essay last month titled "Should Christians Practice Yoga?"

In the piece, Mohler cautions Christians against the practice of yoga, saying that despite its evolution into a popular pastime, its spiritual basis violates the tenets of Christianity.

"Yoga begins and ends with an understanding of the body that is, to say the very least, at odds with the Christian understanding," he wrote. "Christians are not called to empty the mind or to see the human body as a means of connecting to and coming to know the divine."

Stating that yoga "threatens" to push Christians into a "post-Christian, spiritually polyglot" reality, Mohler asks, "Should any Christian willingly risk that?"

The evangelical leader found himself in the hot seat on Thursday when The Associated Press picked up his story, making it national news...

84 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #79 Walter L. Newton

This should be a non-issue... take it from an ex-Jehovah's Witness... they went through his with the Supreme Court... they won.

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I suppose it hinges on what either the lawyer of judge does.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:21:31pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Not just UGH, more like WTF?

86 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:22:19pm

re: #85 Floral Giraffe

Not just UGH, more like WTF?

I thought I would spread it out with some "ughs" because I've been running into a lot of WTFs. ;)

87 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:22:32pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Looks like the two men have a feud going on.


The episode happened during chancery court. Lampley told WTVA News this was not the first time the judge had him removed from a courtroom.

"I was asked to leave the courtroom in Corinth because I did not want to participate in the pledge that day either."

The Corinth incident happened in June.
[Link: www.wtva.com...]

88 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:23:12pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Ugh.

Yoga a dangerous 'risk' for Christians, cautions evangelical leader Albert Mohler, sparking backlash

Next, tacos and burritos (Catholic), pastrami and knishes (Jewish) and finally fried chicken and sweet potato pie (African American) will all be deemed verboten...

89 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:23:43pm

re: #86 Gus 802

I thought I would spread it out with some "ughs" because I've been running into a lot of WTFs. ;)

"I didn't get a WTF from that guy"

Paraphrased Hat tip to Mel Brooks

90 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:25:07pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I suppose it hinges on what either the lawyer of judge does.

Playing it very pragmatically, and setting aside little things like the Constitution, I don't think I'd want this guy for my lawyer in a MS or AL capital case.

91 researchok  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:25:57pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Playing it very pragmatically, and setting aside little things like the Constitution, I don't think I'd want this guy for my lawyer in a MS or AL capital case.

I wouldn't want this guy to plead out a parking violation.

92 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:30:02pm

re: #70 Charles

She signed up with a payment system apparently run by gun enthusiasts. The 'G' in 'Gpal' stands for ... guns.

Now she's wondering why she's having problems.

Saw that.

Some of her subscribers are also alluding to gpay as a possible money laundering scheme.

mk750 said...

*snip*

If you can't find out and VERIFY who the principals in this scheme are, get out! Organized crime runs totally legit businesses. That's how money laundering works. The business that receives your money is totally legal but the money filters back to the Organization for it's illegal activities just the same.

93 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:31:39pm

re: #84 Gus 802
A legal expert comments:

"The judge is lucky he's immune from being sued," said George Cochran, the iconic constitutional law professor at the University of Mississippi.
[Link: www.nems360.com...]
94 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:34:21pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Ugh.

Yoga a dangerous 'risk' for Christians, cautions evangelical leader Albert Mohler, sparking backlash

That reminds me of the fact that Christians up to the 18th century were taught by the Church to be leery of bathing, as it required nudity, which was seen as sinful sui generis. The soldiers in Napoleon's campaign suffered terribly from lice, which was through more recent research found to have been a vector for disease which decimated the force.

95 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:40:50pm

re: #93 jaunte

A legal expert comments:

It's very odd. On the one hand the attorney is not serving his client very well by deciding to take a "stand" against rising for the pledge yet the judge decides to make a scene of this and have the attorney incarcerated. The Constitution is on the side of the attorney yet it doesn't serve the client in a practical sense. One would think there would be some kind of authority that would set the record (law) straight for Judge Talmadge Littlejohn. However, it's a well known fact that once you're in a judge's courtroom you're almost literally in a different world.

96 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:43:03pm

re: #18 ozbloke

How many of these pigs does it take to make a bacon sandwich?

Hmmmm...bacon...

97 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:45:01pm

Bio of sorts for Talmadge D. Littlejohn here.

98 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:46:58pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Based on his past*, Lampley may just be an idealist. It's a very conservative part of Mississippi, so he really stands out. I hope his efforts to insist on his rights turns out well for him.

*Lampley is no stranger to controversy. Years ago, he represented a Pontotoc woman who objected to student-led intercom prayer and Bible history classes taught at North Pontotoc Attendance Center. U.S. District Judge Neal Biggers agreed the activities were unconstitutional.
[Link: www.nems360.com...]
99 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:47:36pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Ugh.

Yoga a dangerous 'risk' for Christians, cautions evangelical leader Albert Mohler, sparking backlash

As is that other "gateway" exercise regimen, Booboo.

100 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:50:03pm

re: #99 austin_blue

As is that other "gateway" exercise regimen, Booboo.

I don't think he realizes that people are taking up yoga for the physical and mind aspects rather than on a spiritual or religious journey towards a Hindu philosophy.

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:52:06pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Man I feel so bad for anyone who actually cares what a guy like that says or listens to him in any way

lotta dumb people in this country :(

102 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Stating that yoga "threatens" to push Christians into a "post-Christian, spiritually polyglot" reality, Mohler asks, "Should any Christian willingly risk that?"


Another vote against glot mixing.

103 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:53:41pm

re: #101 WindUpBird

Man I feel so bad for anyone who actually cares what a guy like that says or listens to him in any way

lotta dumb people in this country :(

Ignorant, not dumb. And our survival depends on making them less ignorant.

104 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:56:34pm

re: #102 jaunte

Another vote against glot mixing.

Two ideals competing for attention. But, like I said, people are taking up Yoga for the abs not to become Hindus. Heck, I remember when I was about 8 years old I was messing around with Yoga and not once did I think or read about any of the spiritual aspects.

105 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:57:15pm

re: #104 Gus 802

Two ideals competing for attention. But, like I said, people are taking up Yoga for the abs not to become Hindus. Heck, I remember when I was about 8 years old I was messing around with Yoga and not once did I think or read about any of the spiritual aspects.

That's why you can't levitate.

106 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:59:07pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

That's why you can't levitate.

Only in my dreams. Although sometimes I'll stare at a crow and they do levitate. Only problem is that they levitate and fly away.

///

107 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 5:59:32pm

re: #104 Gus 802

What he says in the original essay is:

When Christians practice yoga, they must either deny the reality of what yoga represents or fail to see the contradictions between their Christian commitments and their embrace of yoga. The contradictions are not few, nor are they peripheral. The bare fact is that yoga is a spiritual discipline by which the adherent is trained to use the body as a vehicle for achieving consciousness of the divine. Christians are called to look to Christ for all that we need and to obey Christ through obeying his Word. We are not called to escape the consciousness of this world by achieving an elevated state of consciousness, but to follow Christ in the way of faithfulness.[Link: www.albertmohler.com...]


I think Christians practicing yoga are perfectly content to 'deny the reality of what yoga represents' and use it for physical stretching and mental relaxation.
He's overexcited.

108 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:00:05pm

I took two unrelated and unidentified white pills I found in my drawer. So far, nothing has happened, and the little piggies in Charles' post are talking smack at me about it.

109 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:01:31pm

re: #107 jaunte

What he says in the original essay is:


I think Christians practicing yoga are perfectly content to 'deny the reality of what yoga represents' and use it for physical stretching and mental relaxation.
He's overexcited.

I think so. Found this Christian Yoga site that makes a good point:

Yoga is not a religion, even in Eastern cultures. Instead, it serves as a spiritual tool - like prayer - that may be customized according to beliefs, values, and physical ability.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:03:01pm

re: #107 jaunte

What he says in the original essay is:


I think Christians practicing yoga are perfectly content to 'deny the reality of what yoga represents' and use it for physical stretching and mental relaxation.
He's overexcited.

Also, meditation techniques go a long way back in Christianity. I don't know where this guy got the impression that achieving an elevated state of consciousness is un-Christian, but...er...no.

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:04:18pm

re: #2 darthstar

Ahh...new thread smell...love it.

Oh, and one more thing on Sharron Angle...she's got a pastor problem. Look at what her fucktard preacher says about Harry Reid:

Full story here.

I wonder what Glenn Beck would have to say about this, since he is a Mormon as well.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:05:09pm

Wow, Sharron Angle's pastor is a driveling bigoted cock

The shit people say about mormons that would get their asses kicked if they said it about anyone else, damn

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:05:16pm
114 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:06:01pm

re: #109 Gus 802


Yoga is not a religion, even in Eastern cultures. Instead, it serves as a spiritual tool - like prayer - that may be customized according to beliefs, values, and physical ability.


Witchcraft! Burn it with fire!

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:06:17pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

His religion's a cult," Pastor Reed said. "The Christian community--all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults. Well, there must be a reason. I mean, here a member of a cult is one of the most powerful people in the United States. Doesn't that alarm you? And his allegiance is to Salt Lake City. Something is up with that. Something's weird. But nobody touches that. ... Harry Reid's allegiance is to Salt Lake City. The Mormon church is rich, powerful, they do illegal things. They do secretive things. They've got all this money. They own American businesses. There's weirdness going on there. Churches are not multi-millionaire organizations like the Mormon church. You know, there's some weirdness with that, but nobody questions it, nobody asks one question to Harry Reid and says, 'Tell us about your faith. What does a Mormon believe?' Ask him about the holy garments that he wears that protect him from evil. Isn't that kooky? Ask him about getting his body parts anointed by oil. Isn't that kooky? Ask him about when he goes to the temple and he gets baptized for dead people. Isn't that kooky? Ask him about the hit squad of the Mormon church and why they need people to kill Mormons that go against them. Isn't that controlling? Ask him how they shun people, then they get their family members to disown them and divorce them if they dare leave the Mormon church. Isn't that cultish? I mean, I could go on and on. The Mormon church is a cult, and Harry Reid is a powerful person in a cult, and nobody even questions it."

Good times! now imagine the sort of hideous people who like what this fool has to say

Sharron Angle, you hang out with some classy gents

116 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:07:14pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Trutherism lives on...

Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain

Oh, yeah, the Pakistanis. Aren't those the guys whose Secret Police are encouraging the Taliban to keep fighting in Afghanistan?

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:07:17pm

Seriously Yoga man. What's he going to call sinful now, eating Middle Eastern food since it's enjoyed by Muslims and Muslims are evil.

118 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:08:03pm

re: #106 Gus 802

Only in my dreams. Although sometimes I'll stare at a crow and they do levitate. Only problem is that they levitate and fly away.

///

Cactus-assisted yoga?

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:08:55pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

Good times! now imagine the sort of hideous people who like what this fool has to say

Sharron Angle, you hang out with some classy gents

Mormons have a hit squad?

DEAR GOD.

120 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:09:03pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Seriously Yoga man. What's he going to call sinful now, eating Middle Eastern food since it's enjoyed by Muslims and Muslims are evil.

You know what they say. Once you've tasted hummus it's all downhill from there.

/

121 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:09:49pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormons have a hit squad?

DEAR GOD.

Donny and Marie. Hated their hits.

122 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:10:04pm

re: #116 imp_62

Oh, yeah, the Pakistanis. Aren't those the guys whose Secret Police are encouraging the Taliban to keep fighting in Afghanistan?

Forget it, Imp, it's The Guardian. It's a reflexively Anti-American paper. It doesn't like America acting robustly, ever.

123 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:10:16pm
124 Gus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:11:11pm

Off to the store. BBL

125 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:11:20pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormons have a hit squad?

DEAR GOD.

Don't all religions have hit squads?

126 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:12:20pm

re: #125 Charles

Don't all religions have hit squads?

Clip clop, clip clop, BANG

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:12:26pm

re: #125 Charles

Don't all religions have hit squads?

I guess I thought that if you ticked off Mormons they just secretly put decaf in your coffeemaker.

128 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:12:28pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

They've got all this money. They own American businesses. There's weirdness going on there.


Hmm. Where has she been?

129 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:12:37pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Forget it, Imp, it's The Guardian. It's a reflexively Anti-American paper. It doesn't like America acting robustly, ever.

Hate the Guarniad

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:12:46pm

re: #120 Gus 802

You know what they say. Once you've tasted hummus it's all downhill from there.

/

Ah don't give Pam Geller ideas.

131 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:13:11pm

re: #125 Charles

Don't all religions have hit squads?

Taoist Death Cults are the most dangerous.

132 jaunte  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:14:06pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was the Hindu Reincarnation Ninjas that finally got Gregor Samsa.

133 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:14:09pm

re: #125 Charles

My fellow Jews have been accused of that for a long time.

134 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:17:04pm

The Swiss Guard is not decorative. They once fought to the last man, allowing a very dicey pope to escape to Castel Sant' Angelo.

135 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:18:52pm

re: #129 imp_62

Hate the Guarniad

Who doesn't?

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:19:18pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess I thought that if you ticked off Mormons they just secretly put decaf in your coffeemaker.

With an old Sgt Major I knew that would have been murder... :eek: The only two things he drank were coffee and whiskey.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:20:28pm

THe funny thing to me about fundamentalist Christians despising new age religions is how fundamentalist Christianity is relativity new in itself.

138 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:21:20pm

re: #136 wlewisiii

With an old Sgt Major I knew that would have been murder... :eek: The only two things he drank were coffee and whiskey.

I once knew a general who drank only distilled water, or rainwater, and pure grain alcohol.

139 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:21:27pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

New Age = New

140 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:22:03pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Mormons have a hit squad?

DEAR GOD.

I have no idea whether it's historically accurate or not, but they were supposedly called "The Angels of Death". Mark Twain wrote about people rumoring about them.

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:23:20pm

re: #139 imp_62

New Age = New

True, true. Honestly, I've never understood fire and brimstone Christianity's appeal to people too. Then again I was raised in a secular household and my grandparents raised my parents in more liberal Christianity.

142 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #138 negativ

I once knew a general who drank only distilled water, or rainwater, and pure grain alcohol.

Joke was on him. By then rainwater was carrying trace amounts of rad products from the above-ground tests.

143 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:26:01pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

Wonder how well that would go over it you replace Mormon with either the Catholic or Protestant faith?

But Glenn will ignore it as She is a Tea Party favorite and he relies upon these people for his paycheck.

// Unless the almighty QUARUM OF 12 threaten to take him out with their hit squads

144 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:28:42pm

re: #143 Bubblehead II

Wonder how well that would go over it you replace Mormon with either the Catholic or Protestant faith?

But Glenn will ignore it as She is a Tea Party favorite and he relies upon these people for his paycheck.

// Unless the almighty QUARUM OF 12 threaten to take him out with their hit squads

Wow. That list shows a great fragmentation of the church very early on. so much for the monolithic threat.

145 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:29:04pm

Evening lizards!

Nice pigs! I cooked a bunch of bacon yesterday.

146 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:29:13pm

re: #140 Obdicut

Apparently they were also called the 'Angels of Death'. And the 'Avenging Angels'. And the 'Danites.' And it's all very muddy.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

147 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:30:22pm

Good News Everybody! I cleaned under my desk and found Jimmy Hoffa.

148 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:31:10pm

re: #147 PT Barnum

Good News Everybody! I cleaned under my desk and found Jimmy Hoffa.

Did you hand him his "Union Thug for Obama" button?

///

149 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:31:24pm

re: #147 PT Barnum

Good News Everybody! I cleaned under my desk and found Jimmy Hoffa.

Your office is in Giants Stadium?

150 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:31:49pm

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

Your office is in Giants Stadium?

Would you believe Judge Crater?

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:32:56pm

re: #140 Obdicut

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no idea whether it's historically accurate or not, but they were supposedly called "The Angels of Death". Mark Twain wrote about people rumoring about them.

The Angels of Death are also a feature of the Doyle Sherlock Holmes novel _A Study in Scarlet_.

152 Bubblehead II  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:33:39pm

The Mormon faiths hands are not completely clean. There is the Mountain Meadows massacre.

153 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:34:51pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Did you hand him his "Union Thug for Obama" button?

///

Doubt he'd take it. Hoffa was a fink. I've had no use for the Teamsters since they busted our GE lines in the GE strike. (My wife was a Teamster when she sold books at an NYC Doubleday's).

154 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Doubt he'd take it. Hoffa was a fink. I've had no use for the Teamsters since they busted our GE lines in the GE strike. (My wife was a Teamster when she sold books at an NYC Doubleday's).

How many teamsters does it take to change a lightbulb?

12, you gotta problem widdat?

155 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:38:35pm

re: #151 oaktree

The Angels of Death are also a feature of the Doyle Sherlock Holmes novel _A Study in Scarlet_.

There is always Slayer's song Angels of Death.

156 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:39:16pm

Hey the pills are working! I think. Assuming they were meant to give me a sense of tranquility accompanied by gas.

157 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:40:12pm

I really hope the story about Angle's pastor's bigoted remarks about Mormons gets plenty of airtime in Nevada. Sharron needs to remember that the Mormons in Nevada have clout, money, and they usually vote conservative.

158 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:40:36pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

There is always Slayer's song Angels of Death.


[Video]

Paging WindUpBird! NJDhockeyfan is playing your song.

159 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:41:10pm

re: #157 Sionainn

I really hope the story about Angle's pastor's bigoted remarks about Mormons gets plenty of airtime in Nevada. Sharron needs to remember that the Mormons in Nevada have clout, money, and they usually vote conservative.

In her mind, won't Jesus slay the Mormons if they don't vote for her?

160 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:41:30pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Doubt he'd take it. Hoffa was a fink. I've had no use for the Teamsters since they busted our GE lines in the GE strike. (My wife was a Teamster when she sold books at an NYC Doubleday's).

Why did they do that?

161 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:43:27pm

re: #156 imp_62

Hey the pills are working! I think. Assuming they were meant to give me a sense of tranquility accompanied by gas.

I never feel tranquil when I have gas..In fact I just feel a deep seated fear I'll release it in an unfortunate social setting.

DaVinci's Notebook has a great Meatloaf parody called Three Little Words that's a straight up send up of Paradise by the Dashboard Lights

The three little words? Pull My Finger

162 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:43:46pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Why did they do that?

They were gangster-led, kicked out of the AFofL/CIO. They rejoined long after Hoffa went walking the Appalachian Trail.

163 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:44:29pm

re: #159 imp_62

In her mind, won't Jesus slay the Mormons if they don't vote for her?

Evidently comparative religion was not the strong point of too many people. The silly-assed unfounded concepts of different religions theology and dogma, and how they act and interact between each other is almost humorous, if it wasn't so unintelligently sickening.

164 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:44:41pm

Giants vs. Braves.

It could be 0-0 after nine.

165 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:45:55pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Evidently comparative religion was not the strong point of too many people. The silly-assed unfounded concepts of different religions theology and dogma, and how they act and interact between each other is almost humorous, if it wasn't so unintelligently sickening.

That's because religion is more about defining what God isn't rather than what he is. In the course of developing theology, one has to decide what to believe in and thus throw some things out.

Religion is the attempt by the finite to understand and define the infinite. Which is why I'm agnostic.

166 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:46:32pm

re: #159 imp_62

In her mind, won't Jesus slay the Mormons if they don't vote for her?

I'm a-skeered to even think about what goes on in Sharron's mind.

167 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:47:22pm

re: #165 PT Barnum

"I don't take no stock in dead people".


Huck Finn.

168 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:47:36pm

re: #165 PT Barnum

That's because religion is more about defining what God isn't rather than what he is. In the course of developing theology, one has to decide what to believe in and thus throw some things out.

Religion is the attempt by the finite to understand and define the infinite. Which is why I'm agnostic.

And you totally missed the point of my comment... which was what my comment was suggesting... good show.

169 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:49:39pm

Darul Uloom (Deobandi Madrassah in India) issued a fatwa against Yoga, leave it to the evangelicals to follow suit.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:50:52pm

I know some people dislike the Yankees a lot, but a fatwa on Yogi Berra???

Oh wait, you said *yoga*...

Never mind.

;)

171 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:51:05pm

re: #165 PT Barnum

...
Religion is the attempt by the finite to understand and define the infinite. Which is why I'm agnostic.

Really it is more about the finite trying to understand itself in the context of the infinite. Simply part of the search for understanding and meaning. Agnostics just have a different path.

172 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:51:52pm

re: #169 Thanos

Darul Uloom (Deobandi Madrassah in India) issued a fatwa against Yoga, leave it to the evangelicals to follow suit.

Fuck that Islamist and the Saudi Jackass he rode in on.

173 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:52:32pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

Evidently comparative religion was not the strong point of too many people. The silly-assed unfounded concepts of different religions theology and dogma, and how they act and interact between each other is almost humorous, if it wasn't so unintelligently sickening.

I wish this were the case. In my suspicious mind, religious fervor of the simple-minded is being purposefully manipulated towards a desired political outcome.

174 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:52:49pm

Shit My Dad Says
"You worry too much. Eat some bacon...
What?
No, I got no idea if it'll make you feel better, I just made too much bacon."

175 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:53:00pm

re: #170 oaktree

I know some people dislike the Yankees a lot, but a fatwa on Yogi Berra???

Oh wait, you said *yoga*...

Never mind.

;)

Actually, despite my dislike of fatwas I'm all for one on the Yankees. Yes, I'm bitter. Wouldn't you if a team had more pennants in your life than than your team had winning seasons? I do like Yogi that said for his many many awesome Yogisms.

176 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:54:33pm

re: #173 imp_62

I wish this were the case. In my suspicious mind, religious fervor of the simple-minded is being purposefully manipulated towards a desired political outcome.

"Religion is seen as true by the masses, false by the wise, and useful by the politicians."

Seneca the Younger.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:54:52pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Actually, despite my dislike of fatwas I'm all for one on the Yankees. Yes, I'm bitter. Wouldn't you if a team had more pennants in your life than than your team had winning seasons? I do like Yogi that said for his many many awesome Yogisms.

What is this thing called a "winning season". I suffer from the delusion of being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:54:54pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

as for fatwas, I don't care for them

179 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:56:04pm

re: #177 oaktree
Come to the other side of the state. :)

180 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:57:28pm

re: #177 oaktree

Oh, hey, oaktree - how was your move to whatever forsaken corner of the country you moved to instead of Singapore?

181 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:58:02pm

re: #177 oaktree

What is this thing called a "winning season". I suffer from the delusion of being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan.

I don't know. Don't have a time machine to go ask my 10 year old self what playoffs are and what they're like.They sound fun though.

182 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:58:22pm

re: #180 imp_62

Oh, hey, oaktree - how was your move to whatever forsaken corner of the country you moved to instead of Singapore?

Oh wait that wasn't you lol. Damn pills.

183 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:59:09pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I don't know. Don't have a time machine to go ask my 10 year old self what playoffs are and what they're like.They sound fun though.

The beer is overpriced and the lines at the sausage vendors are too long. The fireworks are nice, though.

184 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 6:59:26pm

Good evening my dear Lizards...Are we discussing Religion tonight?
I know more about religion than anyone alive
/OK I don't but I can parrot the GOP as well as the next guy...*wink*
Hope everyone is well tonight..

185 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:00:02pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Good evening my dear Lizards...Are we discussing Religion tonight?
I know more about religion than anyone alive
/OK I don't but I can parrot the GOP as well as the next guy...*wink*
Hope everyone is well tonight..

Greetings

186 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:00:04pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Actually, despite my dislike of fatwas I'm all for one on the Yankees. Yes, I'm bitter. Wouldn't you if a team had more pennants in your life than than your team had winning seasons? I do like Yogi that said for his many many awesome Yogisms.

You are a poopy head.

Yankees fan here.

187 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:00:16pm

Labneh on sweet potatoes is fucking delicious.

188 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:00:38pm

Mr ride home on the CTA was marred by a sign from this bunch of terrorist enablers. "Just Peace" my ass. They can't bring them selves to criticize anything the Arabs do and they pretend Israel could cut defense spending without consequence. Their unwillingness to recognize Israel's situation, and utter refusal to deal with the reality of Islamist terrorism renders them objectively pro-terrorist.

189 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:01:25pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Labneh on sweet potatoes is fucking delicious.

You have said many clever things in my time here. This is by far the clevererest.

190 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:02:17pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Their unwillingness to recognize Israel's situation, and utter refusal to deal with the reality of Islamist terrorism renders them objectively pro-terrorist.

No. It means their effect is pro-terrorist. It doesn't make them pro-terrorist. They may have every good intention in the world.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:03:27pm

re: #180 imp_62

Oh, hey, oaktree - how was your move to whatever forsaken corner of the country you moved to instead of Singapore?

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

Come to the other side of the state. :)

Hoosier Hoops was the one who moved. He's in Oklahoma (Norman) instead of ending up in Singapore.

And I'm actually *in* the other side of the state from Pittsburgh. I displaced to Philly from near Pittsburgh three plus years ago due to a transfer to take a different job for the oil company I used to work for.

Been interesting to watch the Philly fans the last few years. When I first was coming out here five years ago the sports fans were semi-psychotic.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:03:27pm

re: #189 imp_62

You have said many clever things in my time here. This is by far the clevererest.

Cleverness aside, it might be the most delicious.

193 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:03:43pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

And you totally missed the point of my comment... which was what my comment was suggesting... good show.

Bite me

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:03:44pm

re: #190 Obdicut

No. It means their effect is pro-terrorist. It doesn't make them pro-terrorist. They may have every good intention in the world.

OK, I can accept that. They may simply be blind to the harm they cause. But you understand it, and your revision meets with my approval.

195 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:03:59pm

re: #186 b_sharp

You are a poopy head.

Yankees fan here.


No, I'm a bitter poopy head. 13 sub 500 seasons will do that while your team has made the playoffs 12 of those 13 years..

196 Linden Arden  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:04:22pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Labneh on sweet potatoes is fucking delicious.

I love Middle Eastern food.

I think you once mentioned a special knish I would fight for. My mind is soggy though.

197 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #190 Obdicut

No. It means their effect is pro-terrorist. It doesn't make them pro-terrorist. They may have every good intention in the world.

Even though no-one can possibly be so shortsighted as not to understand that a weak Israel is an Israel overrun by Hizbullah and Hamas. So while not actively pro-terrorist, I think there is an implied pro-terror bias.

198 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Mr ride home on the CTA was marred by a sign from this bunch of terrorist enablers. "Just Peace" my ass. They can't bring them selves to criticize anything the Arabs do and they pretend Israel could cut defense spending without consequence. Their unwillingness to recognize Israel's situation, and utter refusal to deal with the reality of Islamist terrorism renders them objectively pro-terrorist.

"I'm protesting for peace" (Maude Chasen - Harold and Maude)

199 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:04:56pm

re: #171 imp_62

Really it is more about the finite trying to understand itself in the context of the infinite. Simply part of the search for understanding and meaning. Agnostics just have a different path.

I've always understood agnosticism as an acceptance that one can't know at all.

200 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:05:05pm

re: #191 oaktree
I agree. Some fans do go a bit overboard.

201 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #183 imp_62

The beer is overpriced and the lines at the sausage vendors are too long. The fireworks are nice, though.

But the winning must be nice huh even with that pricey beer and long sausage lines.

202 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:05:39pm

re: #191 oaktree

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

Hoosier Hoops was the one who moved. He's in Oklahoma (Norman) instead of ending up in Singapore.

And I'm actually *in* the other side of the state from Pittsburgh. I displaced to Philly from near Pittsburgh three plus years ago due to a transfer to take a different job for the oil company I used to work for.

Been interesting to watch the Philly fans the last few years. When I first was coming out here five years ago the sports fans were semi-psychotic.

Yeah I remembered that after hitting "post".

203 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:06:26pm

re: #199 PT Barnum

I've always understood agnosticism as an acceptance that one can't know at all.

Possibly not decisively. But the fun is in the striving, is it not?

204 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:06:47pm

re: #191 oaktree

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

Hoosier Hoops was the one who moved. He's in Oklahoma (Norman) instead of ending up in Singapore.

Norman is an island.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:07:28pm

re: #200 PhillyPretzel

I agree. Some fans do go a bit overboard.

One of my co-workers who was transiting back and forth from Philly and Pittsburgh a lot when I was in 2005-07 used to torture Philly-based co-workers in sports discussions by pointing out the long championship drought compared to Pittsburgh, and that the most famous sports figure in Philadelphia was a fictional boxer.

206 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:07:35pm

re: #203 imp_62

Possibly not decisively. But the fun is in the striving, is it not?

If one has the time to waste.

207 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:07:40pm

re: #203 imp_62

Possibly not decisively. But the fun is in the striving, is it not?

This is true. I'm sort of a spirituality omnivore, having been a religion/anthropology major in college (among other things)

208 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:07:53pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Good evening my dear Lizards...Are we discussing Religion tonight?
I know more about religion than anyone alive
/OK I don't but I can parrot the GOP as well as the next guy...*wink*
Hope everyone is well tonight..

Hoops! How's OK treating you?

Odd place, innit?

Weekends are like a little white kitten, meowing hymns and farting footballs...

209 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:07:55pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

No, I'm a bitter poopy head. 13 sub 500 seasons will do that while your team has made the playoffs 12 of those 13 years..

I've been a Yankee fan since the early '60s. They've made the playoffs a few more than 12 times since then. The only time I was happy for another team was when the Jays could play ball.

I do feel sorry for you though.

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:08:02pm

re: #204 PT Barnum

Norman is an island.

Closest friendly territory is what, Austin?

211 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:08:28pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

*waves Hi*

212 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #210 oaktree

Closest friendly territory is what, Austin?

Or Lawrence, Kansas.

213 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:09:34pm

re: #203 imp_62

Possibly not decisively. But the fun is in the striving, is it not?

Atheists are the ultimate God is notters as they believe that God is not real, which invalidates everyone else's beliefs, as far as they're concerned.

Although I must admit, the more I know about high end physics, the more I believe in God or something like it.

214 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:09:38pm

re: #197 imp_62

Even though no-one can possibly be so shortsighted as not to understand that a weak Israel is an Israel overrun by Hizbullah and Hamas. So while not actively pro-terrorist, I think there is an implied pro-terror bias.

No, more of a naivety in their belief that peace is possible just by reducing arms.

Far too simplistic a solution.

215 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:09:52pm

re: #209 b_sharp

I've been a Yankee fan since the early '60s. They've made the playoffs a few more than 12 times since then. The only time I was happy for another team was when the Jays could play ball.

I do feel sorry for you though.

It's cool. It's gonna be awesome when the O's finally get back to the promise land since I know I've stayed true through the toughest of times. Just hope I can get a ticket to Camden Yards for a game when that happens and enjoy a Boog's BBQ sandwhich with a nice cold beer. Something I wouldn't have been able to do in 1997 :).

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:11:19pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

THe funny thing to me about fundamentalist Christians despising new age religions is how fundamentalist Christianity is relativity new in itself.

The problem is that, as far as the crazier among them are concerned, they exist out of time, being the only true faith and all.

217 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:11:36pm

Well, I grew up in Lincoln Park so I've got a long championship drought to grump about, since 1908 (Cubs). Thankfully, Chicago has other teams and this year the Blackhawks gave Chicago a reason to celebrate.

218 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:11:51pm

Hey'd you guys see Des Moines was on Man Vs. Food the other night? I've eaten at the restaurant where he did the food challenge, though I never tried to eat the sandwich (a 12 oz tenderloin, a pound of brisket, two buffalo chicken fingers, 2 fried cheddar cubes, bacon, a half pound angus cheese burger) and a pound of waffle fries all in 15 minutes. That guy must have a deathwish.

219 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:12:45pm

re: #218 PT Barnum

Hey'd you guys see Des Moines was on Man Vs. Food the other night? I've eaten at the restaurant where he did the food challenge, though I never tried to eat the sandwich (a 12 oz tenderloin, a pound of brisket, two buffalo chicken fingers, 2 fried cheddar cubes, bacon, a half pound angus cheese burger) and a pound of waffle fries all in 15 minutes. That guy must have a deathwish.

oh all the stuff listed was the filling for one sandwich.

220 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:13:03pm

re: #204 PT Barnum

Norman is an island.

Norman effen rocks....I have been treated with great kindness and respect here...And I've only been here since last Friday..Last night I was given a Coaches OU ball cap...I am stunned by these Sooners and their passion for sports.. In all my travels I have never met nicer folks than in Norman...

221 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:13:25pm

I got to go. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:13:47pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Norman effen rocks...I have been treated with great kindness and respect here...And I've only been here since last Friday..Last night I was given a Coaches OU ball cap...I am stunned by these Sooners and their passion for sports.. In all my travels I have never met nicer folks than in Norman...

Have they told you the two theories yet on why it is always so windy in Oklahoma?

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:13:47pm

re: #152 Bubblehead II

The Mormon faiths hands are not completely clean. There is the Mountain Meadows massacre.

No faith's hands are entirely clean. OK, I take that back. I don't know about anything mean the Jains have done. But seriously, this kind of nasty bigotry...WOW.

224 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:14:03pm

re: #214 b_sharp

No, more of a naivety in their belief that peace is possible just by reducing arms.

Far too simplistic a solution.

They also can't grasp the fact that the US and Israel aren't the ones causing the confrontation. If the Palestinians would renounce violence, the matter could and would be settled relatively swiftly.

225 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:14:18pm

re: #203 imp_62

Possibly not decisively. But the fun is in the striving, is it not?

An agnostic is someone who expects 100% surety before coming to a definite conclusion.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:15:07pm

re: #169 Thanos

Darul Uloom (Deobandi Madrassah in India) issued a fatwa against Yoga, leave it to the evangelicals to follow suit.

If a person relaxes their body and achieves a clear mind, they probably won't do what the fundamentalists want them to anymore. Fundamentalism is based on fear and mental stress. Fucking yoga works to get rid of that!

227 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:15:37pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

No faith's hands are entirely clean. OK, I take that back. I don't know about anything mean the Jains have done. But seriously, this kind of nasty bigotry...WOW.

I never heard of the Amish getting violent about anything. They sell some great bacon, I cooked a bunch yesterday. :)

228 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:15:41pm

re: #222 oaktree

Have they told you the two theories yet on why it is always so windy in Oklahoma?

Let me guess one. There is only one fence line between Alberta and Oklahoma and it generally gets blown over in late October.

I am assuming the other is obscene.

229 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:15:45pm

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

If one has the time to waste.

If you enjoy a particular pursuit, time spent doing it is not a waste.

230 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:15:48pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Norman effen rocks...I have been treated with great kindness and respect here...And I've only been here since last Friday..Last night I was given a Coaches OU ball cap...I am stunned by these Sooners and their passion for sports.. In all my travels I have never met nicer folks than in Norman...

I had the norman Public Schools as a customer when I sold computers for Gateway. Only problem was our method of assigning customer IDs was to use the first 8 characters of the client's name, so they came out NORMANPU Actually went so far as to ask me to change it once.

231 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:16:55pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is that, as far as the crazier among them are concerned, they exist out of time, being the only true faith and all.

This is true. You knwo, knowing the history of how anabaptists and other minoritty Protestant groups in Europe were treated, I would think and hope that these people would embrace the idea of church and state being seperated. Eitehr they're ignorant of their own history or they feel beacuse they have grown in numbers that their church should be part of the state. Guss that's why it always troubles me as the descendant of Catholic dissidents in Ireland and Germany to see Catholics act like church and state isn't important because uh hello penal laws for Catholics in Ireland and scapegoated for all kinds of shit in pre-unification Germany.

232 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:16:58pm

re: #225 b_sharp

An agnostic is someone who expects 100% surety before coming to a definite conclusion.

I have no faith in faith, only in curiousity.

233 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:17:21pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

No faith's hands are entirely clean. OK, I take that back. I don't know about anything mean the Jains have done. But seriously, this kind of nasty bigotry...WOW.

Eh eh eh! Don't put us happy deists in that statement. We don't give a shit. It's pointless.

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:17:50pm

Evening Honcos.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:18:39pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

This is true. You knwo, knowing the history of how anabaptists and other minoritty Protestant groups in Europe were treated, I would think and hope that these people would embrace the idea of church and state being seperated. Eitehr they're ignorant of their own history or they feel beacuse they have grown in numbers that their church should be part of the state. Guss that's why it always troubles me as the descendant of Catholic dissidents in Ireland and Germany to see Catholics act like church and state isn't important because uh hello penal laws for Catholics in Ireland and scapegoated for all kinds of shit in pre-unification Germany.

That tells me that the concern is not centered on the philosophies of the religion, but on maintenance and use of power for advantage.

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:20:40pm

re: #228 austin_blue

Let me guess one. There is only one fence line between Alberta and Oklahoma and it generally gets blown over in late October.

I am assuming the other is obscene.

That's the scientific explanation. The other theory is that it's because Texas sucks and Kansas blows. Not a happy folk when it comes to the neighbors sometimes...

237 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:20:43pm

gnite all

238 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:21:18pm

re: #235 oaktree

That tells me that the concern is not centered on the philosophies of the religion, but on maintenance and use of power for advantage.


=I think you're right about that. It's kinda like how after many revolutions the oppressed becomes oppressor. To use a page from Russian history, I was always in awe how the Soviets ended up being as authoritian as the Czarist state.

239 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:23:40pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Nah, they are lucky to have met you!
And they know it!
Be well, my friend!

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:23:40pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

=I think you're right about that. It's kinda like how after many revolutions the oppressed becomes oppressor. To use a page from Russian history, I was always in awe how the Soviets ended up being as authoritian as the Czarist state.

Uneasy lies the head(s) that wear the crown. And if you've overthrown an established order there is that nagging fear of counter-revolution for at least a few generations. Look how long the Jacobite threat kept going after the Glorious Revolution in England.

241 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:24:06pm

re: #213 PT Barnum

Atheists are the ultimate God is notters as they believe that God is not real, which invalidates everyone else's beliefs, as far as they're concerned.

Although I must admit, the more I know about high end physics, the more I believe in God or something like it.

There is a lack of well defined terms for non-believers.
I'm a "soft" or "negative" atheist. I do not believe in a god or gods. I'm willing to be convinced by evidence, but I haven't seen any that was particularly compelling. There are any number of things that might exist, but without evidence I am disinclined to believe.
You are quite welcome to believe what you'd like as long as you don't demand that I base my life on your belief system. I don't think that can be said to invalidate everyone else's beliefs.

242 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:24:56pm

re: #213 PT Barnum

Atheists are the ultimate God is notters as they believe that God is not real, which invalidates everyone else's beliefs, as far as they're concerned.

It's more invalidating the object of their belief. We 'materialists' believe science has eliminated the supernatural from the realm of possibility.

Although I must admit, the more I know about high end physics, the more I believe in God or something like it.

Why?
What can't be explained without resorting to the supernatural?

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:25:25pm

re: #241 calochortus

Sounds like you might lean agnostic if would be convinced by evidence.

244 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:26:42pm

re: #240 oaktree

Uneasy lies the head(s) that wear the crown. And if you've overthrown an established order there is that nagging fear of counter-revolution for at least a few generations. Look how long the Jacobite threat kept going after the Glorious Revolution in England.

Yeah, I am not too familiar with the Jacobites but I agree with this.I think in one of my Shakespeare classes we kinda discussed how by the end of Richard II, Henry IV had become a lot like Richard in some ways.

245 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:26:47pm

re: #222 oaktree

Have they told you the two theories yet on why it is always so windy in Oklahoma?

Funny thing..I heard that the wind always blows in Oklahoma..But not so much since Friday..
I know I'm going to regret posting this....And during Tornado season I'll be posting from the tub in the bathroom with a mattress over Winston and I..

246 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:27:22pm

Geek question:

What is the difference between Dynamic IP DSL and Static IP DSL???

I'm looking to change providers since I'm not exactly happy with ATT.

Looking at Sonic.net right now.

247 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:27:41pm

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes, there have been times I have described myself as an agnostic. I often choose "not religious" as well. As I said, the terms available aren't clearly defined and people understand them differently.

248 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:29:03pm

re: #246 eclectic infidel

Geek question:

What is the difference between Dynamic IP DSL and Static IP DSL???

I'm looking to change providers since I'm not exactly happy with ATT.

Looking at Sonic.net right now.

Dynamic means your IP address is assigned from a pool of IPs whenever you establish a connection. Static IP means you have an assigned IP and it doesn't change.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:29:10pm

re: #247 calochortus

Yes, there have been times I have described myself as an agnostic. I often choose "not religious" as well. As I said, the terms available aren't clearly defined and people understand them differently.

My brother uses the term "areligious".

250 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:29:42pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

They also can't grasp the fact that the US and Israel aren't the ones causing the confrontation. If the Palestinians would renounce violence, the matter could and would be settled relatively swiftly.

Nope. All of the Arab states, and Iran, would have to accept Israel.

Palestine alone is not the problem.

251 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:30:55pm

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

If one has the time to waste.

Time is finite. It runs out whether we strive or not.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:31:12pm

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dynamic means your IP address is assigned from a pool of IPs whenever you establish a connection. Static IP means you have an assigned IP and it doesn't change.

OK, Geek. Why do I keep getting JIP debugger windows that won't go away? I tried disabling both IE and "Other" in advanced internet options?

253 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:32:24pm

re: #247 calochortus

Yes, there have been times I have described myself as an agnostic. I often choose "not religious" as well. As I said, the terms available aren't clearly defined and people understand them differently.

I'm an agnostic. My definition is devoid of analytical thought....... Is there a God? Don't know, don't care.

254 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:32:28pm

re: #236 oaktree

That's the scientific explanation. The other theory is that it's because Texas sucks and Kansas blows. Not a happy folk when it comes to the neighbors sometimes...

Ah! The suction and stroke explanation!

255 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:32:34pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, Geek. Why do I keep getting JIP debugger windows that won't go away? I tried disabling both IE and "Other" in advanced internet options?

Oh please tell me you are NOT using IE.

256 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:33:00pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Nope. All of the Arab states, and Iran, would have to accept Israel.

Palestine alone is not the problem.

It would be a great start but don't bet on it. They are brainwashed from birth to hate & kill the Jews.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:33:14pm

re: #255 imp_62

Oh please tell me you are NOT using IE.

FF. And upgraded my browser earlier.

258 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:33:43pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, Geek. Why do I keep getting JIP debugger windows that won't go away? I tried disabling both IE and "Other" in advanced internet options?

Do you mean the Just in Time debug?

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:33:43pm

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

It would be a great start but don't bet on it. They are brainwashed from birth to hate & kill the Jews.

They should make kids shows.

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:33:55pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you mean the Just in Time debug?

Yes.

261 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:35:00pm

re: #246 eclectic infidel

Geek question:

What is the difference between Dynamic IP DSL and Static IP DSL???

I'm looking to change providers since I'm not exactly happy with ATT.

Looking at Sonic.net right now.


It's called DHCP and providers don't generally provide Statics.. They provide a range of IP's within a DHCP scope leased out by a server...
There is no advantage commercially to owning a Static IP and 99% of all users wouldn't have a clue to setting one up...The server dishes out an IP to you...There is absolutely no advantage on the public IP's of having Statics.. Now in private ranges that's a different story

262 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

FF. And upgraded my browser earlier.

FF can be very slow and cumbersome. I have started using Chrome, with all the nasty tracking bits switched off, and adblock and adthwart added as extensions. You can also add some script protection. Very fast, and the extensions are easier on the OS than FF.

263 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:36:34pm

re: #262 imp_62

FF can be very slow and cumbersome. I have started using Chrome, with all the nasty tracking bits switched off, and adblock and adthwart added as extensions. You can also add some script protection. Very fast, and the extensions are easier on the OS than FF.

I like FF and the little IE rendering switch on the bottom right hand corner.

264 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:37:04pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Try this:

Open Start>Control Panels>Internet Options: Advanced and activate (check box)

* Disable Script Debugging (Internet Explorer)
* Disable Script Debuggung (Other)

265 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:37:12pm

re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes.

Use technet, it has several possible solutions;

[Link: technet.microsoft.com...]

266 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:37:15pm

re: #249 oaktree

My brother uses the term "areligious".

That works too.

267 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:37:39pm

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sounds like you might lean agnostic if would be convinced by evidence.

Not at all. All atheists can be convinced by solid evidence.

The difference is in how the level of confidence is considered. An atheist is willing to conclude the is no god based on a significant but less than 100% confidence level, while an agnostic is not willing to come to that same conclusion at lower than 100%. Both are willing to accept that the evidence will never reach 100%.

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:37:55pm

re: #264 brownbagj

Try this:

Open Start>Control Panels>Internet Options: Advanced and activate (check box)

* Disable Script Debugging (Internet Explorer)
* Disable Script Debuggung (Other)

Did that.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:38:29pm

re: #116 imp_62

Oh, yeah, the Pakistanis. Aren't those the guys whose Secret Police are encouraging the Taliban to keep fighting in Afghanistan?

Their spies are tell the Taliban to kill Americans.


Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war.

The explosive accusation is the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and shows a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally in the Afghan campaign. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan for its support.

It's time to rethink about how much money we are sending them. If they are working along side the terrorists then fuck them. Stop the money and drop more explosives on the bastards.

270 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:38:43pm

re: #263 Mr Pancakes

I like FF and the little IE rendering switch on the bottom right hand corner.

Chrome has an option to open a webpage in an embedded IE tab. Very functional. I just came to see FF as too... "heavy".

271 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:38:48pm

re: #261 HoosierHoops

Static IP addresses can make it easier to access your internal personal network from an outside network. Say for instance, if I am at work but need something from a shared drive at home, I can easily access my firewall and router via the static IP address to then have access to all my computers at home.

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:39:08pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Use technet, it has several possible solutions;

[Link: technet.microsoft.com...]

I'll check it out later. Thanks.

273 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:39:31pm

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

It would be a great start but don't bet on it. They are brainwashed from birth to hate & kill the Jews.

I'd pick another word. They're subjected to a huge amount of propaganda, but, shockingly, lot of Palestinians manage to never kill a Jew in their life. If you brainwashed someone to kill Jews, they'd go out and kill Jews.

And that propaganda is not sourced in Palestine; that comes from many sources, but one of the chief ones is Saudi Arabia, our allies.

It is really ridiculous to take any sort of stand on Palestinian action while simultaneously supporting the Saudi regime that puts out propaganda to radicalize Muslims against Jews.

And this has been the ridiculous US position for a long, long time now.

274 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:40:06pm

re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar

Does this computer have visual studio or anything like that on it? IS it windows 7?

275 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:40:44pm

re: #246 eclectic infidel

Geek question:

What is the difference between Dynamic IP DSL and Static IP DSL???

I'm looking to change providers since I'm not exactly happy with ATT.

Looking at Sonic.net right now.

A static IP will remain the same, allowing access from outside on a consistent basis. A dynamic will change after the DHCP lease time has expired and/or the router gets rebooted. This makes it difficult to access your router from outside because the IP keeps changing.

If you intend to run a server you should have a static IP. Otherwise, a dynamic is fine.

276 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:40:50pm

re: #270 imp_62

Chrome has an option to open a webpage in an embedded IE tab. Very functional. I just came to see FF as too... "heavy".

I hear ya...... Chrome seems a little too foo foo for me..... I have 3.5 gigs of RAM..... not sure how that stacks up by today's standards..... but nothing slows it down.

277 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:41:10pm

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

Their spies are tell the Taliban to kill Americans.

It's time to rethink about how much money we are sending them. If they are working along side the terrorists then fuck them. Stop the money and drop more explosives on the bastards.

That is the article I read earlier. Bear in mind that the ISI operate very autonomously with an agenda of their own. It is unclear whether the agency is controlled fully either by the military or the civilian government. A bit like the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, only a little more scary.

278 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:41:11pm

re: #273 Obdicut

Dependence on oil makes strange bedfellows.

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:41:49pm

re: #275 b_sharp

XP

280 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:42:10pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, Geek. Why do I keep getting JIP debugger windows that won't go away? I tried disabling both IE and "Other" in advanced internet options?

How are you holding you mouth?

281 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:42:14pm

re: #256 NJDhockeyfan

It would be a great start but don't bet on it. They are brainwashed from birth to hate & kill the Jews.

And yet the vast majority don't!

Curious, isn't it?

282 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:42:37pm

re: #273 Obdicut

I'd pick another word. They're subjected to a huge amount of propaganda, but, shockingly, lot of Palestinians manage to never kill a Jew in their life. If you brainwashed someone to kill Jews, they'd go out and kill Jews.

And that propaganda is not sourced in Palestine; that comes from many sources, but one of the chief ones is Saudi Arabia, our allies.

It is really ridiculous to take any sort of stand on Palestinian action while simultaneously supporting the Saudi regime that puts out propaganda to radicalize Muslims against Jews.

And this has been the ridiculous US position for a long, long time now.

On the complex topic of US involvement in the ME, I can recommend the book Quicksand, by Wawro.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:43:32pm

re: #274 brownbagj

Does this computer have visual studio or anything like that on it? IS it windows 7?

I've also been getting many Nortons warnings for a virus made 2 weeks ago. But I never go anywhere on the net, really. But I do look for jobs on an open forum.

284 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:43:36pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here is a site that has a few solutions where people were having problems with JIT.

jit issues

285 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:43:40pm

re: #255 imp_62

Oh please tell me you are NOT using IE.

He's using IE.

But I suspect the problem isn't with IE.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:44:01pm

re: #280 b_sharp

How are you holding you mouth?

Around my sippie cup.
/

287 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:44:24pm

re: #267 b_sharp

Not at all. All atheists can be convinced by solid evidence.

The difference is in how the level of confidence is considered. An atheist is willing to conclude the is no god based on a significant but less than 100% confidence level, while an agnostic is not willing to come to that same conclusion at lower than 100%. Both are willing to accept that the evidence will never reach 100%.

Like I said, the words mean different things to different people.
I'm perfectly willing to be convinced, but the common argument that life just couldn't start without a deity giving it a push doesn't convince me. Where did the deity come from? One is just pushing the origin question back a little farther, not coming up with an explanation. As scientific knowledge in creases gods' spheres of influence keep being pushed back to explain things we don't understand.

288 laZardo  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:44:42pm

re: #277 imp_62

That is the article I read earlier. Bear in mind that the ISI operate very autonomously with an agenda of their own. It is unclear whether the agency is controlled fully either by the military or the civilian government. A bit like the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, only a little more scary.

IIRC, the CIA directly funded the ISI back in the 1980s specifically. THEN the ISI gave the weapons to the mujahideen.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:45:16pm

re: #273 Obdicut

I'd pick another word. They're subjected to a huge amount of propaganda, but, shockingly, lot of Palestinians manage to never kill a Jew in their life. If you brainwashed someone to kill Jews, they'd go out and kill Jews.

Since they built that wall it's prevented many suicide bombing in Israel.


And that propaganda is not sourced in Palestine; that comes from many sources, but one of the chief ones is Saudi Arabia, our allies.

Who is making all the kids shows teaching children to hate Jews and become martyrs?

It is really ridiculous to take any sort of stand on Palestinian action while simultaneously supporting the Saudi regime that puts out propaganda to radicalize Muslims against Jews.

And this has been the ridiculous US position for a long, long time now.

I agree with you there. I'm sure we can buy plenty of oil somewhere else and stop giving them our money. Fuck the Saudis.

290 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:45:32pm

re: #281 austin_blue

Depending on your value of 'hate', it might or might not be fair to say the majority of Palestinians hate Jews. Polls aren't really taken to reveal 'hate', but the incidence of 'have a negative view of Jews is something like 95% in the Palestinian territories.

291 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:45:34pm

re: #278 brownbagj

Dependence on oil makes strange bedfellows the US dangerously weak in the fight against radical Islam.

Fixed.

292 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:45:48pm

re: #267 b_sharp

Not at all. All atheists can be convinced by solid evidence.

The difference is in how the level of confidence is considered. An atheist is willing to conclude the is no god based on a significant but less than 100% confidence level, while an agnostic is not willing to come to that same conclusion at lower than 100%. Both are willing to accept that the evidence will never reach 100%.

What about us Deists?

293 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:46:32pm

re: #281 austin_blue

And yet the vast majority don't!

Curious, isn't it?

How do you know that?

294 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:46:46pm

re: #261 HoosierHoops

It's called DHCP and providers don't generally provide Statics.. They provide a range of IP's within a DHCP scope leased out by a server...
There is no advantage commercially to owning a Static IP and 99% of all users wouldn't have a clue to setting one up...The server dishes out an IP to you...There is absolutely no advantage on the public IP's of having Statics.. Now in private ranges that's a different story

Static is nice if you have a server.

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:46:49pm

re: #284 brownbagj

Here is a site that has a few solutions where people were having problems with JIT.

jit issues

Would I remove that from Programs?

296 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:46:51pm

re: #290 Obdicut

Depending on your value of 'hate', it might or might not be fair to say the majority of Palestinians hate Jews. Polls aren't really taken to reveal 'hate', but the incidence of 'have a negative view of Jews is something like 95% in the Palestinian territories.

Did I say "hate"? No. I said "kill".

297 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:47:36pm

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan


Who is making all the kids shows teaching children to hate Jews and become martyrs?

Saudi Arabia is funding and making quite a lot of that sort of crap, as I said.

I agree with you there. I'm sure we can buy plenty of oil somewhere else and stop giving them our money. Fuck the Saudis.

No, that's totally useless. Oil is fungible. As long as we keep consuming oil at the rate that we do, we supply the Saudis with money. It doesn't matter if we get it from them or someone else; they make money based off the price of oil, which depends on demand for oil.

In order to reduce Saudi Arabia's power, we have to get off oil. Getting somewhere else does no good at all.

And, by Dark_Falcon's logic above, those who are resting our move away from oil, those who are denying AGW-- the GOP, in other words-- are acting in a pro-terrorist fashion.

298 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:47:42pm

re: #292 austin_blue

What about us Deists?

I could Google...... but what's the definition?

299 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:47:44pm

re: #214 b_sharp

No, more of a naivety in their belief that peace is possible just by reducing arms.

Far too simplistic a solution.

If the Arabs would lay down their arms, there would be peace.

If the Israelis would lay down their arms, there would be no Israel.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:48:03pm

re: #288 laZardo

IIRC, the CIA directly funded the ISI back in the 1980s specifically. THEN the ISI gave the weapons to the mujahideen.

Mujahadeen were fighting the Taliban. Then they turned into the Northern Alliance.

301 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:48:12pm

Charles' 'hit squad' quip sent me off on a history tangent tonight. The last time the pope sent troops into battle was as recent as 1870. Brigade-sized Papal States forces engaged small Piedmont/Savoy armies of the Italian risorgimento. In in the last battles the Papal Zouaves engaged an Italian royalist army against 7:1 odds.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

302 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:48:16pm

re: #296 austin_blue

Did I say "hate"? No. I said "kill".

The comment you were replying to said both. You said neither.

303 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #271 brownbagj

Static IP addresses can make it easier to access your internal personal network from an outside network. Say for instance, if I am at work but need something from a shared drive at home, I can easily access my firewall and router via the static IP address to then have access to all my computers at home.

Maybe I wasn't clear when I said there was an advantage to internal vs.External network calls with static IP's..But a name server calls go around that issue with references to Host files containing the computer name rather than an IP.. That's how a backup service finds you on the Net without knowing the DHCP range...Cause they don't really know your leased IP at any given time....Clouds can't locate you with a simple IP address cause it may change over time...

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:48:41pm

bbiam. Gotta check my soup.

305 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:49:02pm

re: #227 NJDhockeyfan

I never heard of the Amish getting violent about anything. They sell some great bacon, I cooked a bunch yesterday. :)

Well, I don't eat bacon, but tomorrow is Pie Day. I'm baking a Shoo Fly Pie.

306 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:49:12pm

re: #293 NJDhockeyfan

How do you know that?

Because there are millions of Palis and not millions of dead Jews in Israel.

Duh.

QED moment.

307 laZardo  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:49:52pm

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

I suspect the ISI funded both. Warlords being warlords, their 'preferred clients' list probably changed every month.

308 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:50:04pm

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you have SQL server or visual studio on your computer, or ever had either on your computer?

If so, it seems to be fairly common that the JIT debugger install and then takes over for Dr. Watson for catching failures. But, this causes failures all on its own.

Ain't MS grand?! I wish I could make billion selling a shitty product, but hey, I actual worry about people's satisfaction level.

I think you will have to go through a few of the steps on that site until one works. I wish I had better news for you. Unless I could see your computer personally, there are just so many things that could be causing this that you will have to go through trial and error.

309 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:50:33pm

re: #287 calochortus

Like I said, the words mean different things to different people.
I'm perfectly willing to be convinced, but the common argument that life just couldn't start without a deity giving it a push doesn't convince me. Where did the deity come from? One is just pushing the origin question back a little farther, not coming up with an explanation. As scientific knowledge in creases gods' spheres of influence keep being pushed back to explain things we don't understand.

That's the same argument I've made for years.

310 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:51:12pm

re: #294 b_sharp

Static is nice if you have a server.

All servers are Static.. Period amen..

311 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:51:36pm

re: #298 Mr Pancakes

I could Google... but what's the definition?

Prime Mover, but no interaction after the Creation. As a opposed to Theists, who bleleve that the Prime Mover keeps fiddling with history.

312 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:51:47pm

re: #310 HoosierHoops

But they don't like static electricity. Funny that.

313 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:52:03pm

re: #305 Alouette

Well, I don't eat bacon, but tomorrow is Pie Day. I'm baking a Shoo Fly Pie.

Throw in some Apple Pan Dowdy for good measure.

314 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:52:20pm

re: #292 austin_blue

What about us Deists?

You're just weird. ;P

Deists are a species of god of the gaps theist.

315 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:52:22pm

re: #297 Obdicut

And, by Dark_Falcon's logic above, those who are resting our move away from oil, those who are denying AGW-- the GOP, in other words-- are acting in a pro-terrorist fashion.

That's ridiculous. Someone who doesn't believe in AGW is not 'acting in a pro-terrorist fashion'. AGW has nothing to do with how much oil we use. If there are better was to fix our oil dependence I'm all ears but bringing AGW in the argument is kooky.

316 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:52:38pm

re: #296 austin_blue

Did I say "hate"? No. I said "kill".

A lot more of them have tried to kill Jews than have actually succeeded. They aren't throwing rocks to be friendly.

Sorry I was gone, I was posting a photo:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

317 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:52:41pm

re: #287 calochortus

That should be increases not in creases. PIMF

318 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #299 Alouette

If the Arabs would lay down their arms, there would be peace.

If the Israelis would lay down their arms, there would be no Israel.

Bingo!

319 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:10pm

re: #309 b_sharp

We could start our own religion./

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:18pm

re: #308 brownbagj

Thanks for the help. I'll get it figured out. Kragar as well.

321 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:22pm

re: #297 Obdicut

Exactly. Oil is a world consumable. Everyone who sells oil makes money off the price of oil...so there is no real way to just buy it from somewhere so to speak so that SA or Venezuela get screwed.

322 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:41pm

'Nite, all.

323 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:53:47pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

That's ridiculous. Someone who doesn't believe in AGW is not 'acting in a pro-terrorist fashion'. AGW has nothing to do with how much oil we use. If there are better was to fix our oil dependence I'm all ears but bringing AGW in the argument is kooky.

I'm sorry, but AGW has everything to do with how much oil we use. How on earth can you say otherwise? Using oil causes AGW.

Can you explain how on earth you're saying that the use of oil is unrelated to AGW?

324 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:54:00pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Because there are millions of Palis and not millions of dead Jews in Israel.

Duh.

QED moment.

This could as easily be attributed to the balance of power, rather than the victory of reason. Perhaps more easily, given past performance.

325 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:54:28pm

re: #292 austin_blue

Theists didn't evolve from monkeys. Deists did.

//

326 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:55:20pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

A lot more of them have tried to kill Jews than have actually succeeded. They aren't throwing rocks to be friendly.

Sorry I was gone, I was posting a photo:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]


Did you make it from mashed potatoes and food colouring?

327 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:55:23pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

That's ridiculous. Someone who doesn't believe in AGW is not 'acting in a pro-terrorist fashion'. AGW has nothing to do with how much oil we use. If there are better was to fix our oil dependence I'm all ears but bringing AGW in the argument is kooky.

How can you say that?! The burning of fossil fuels is absolutely linked to AGW! Haven't you been reading the information presented here on the subject?

328 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is a known issue from Microsoft, so search their knowledge-base.

Happy to help. Wish I could take over your computer and fix it for you, but I don't know you that well.

:)

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:56:19pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Nope. All of the Arab states, and Iran, would have to accept Israel.

Palestine alone is not the problem.

True, but since the Palestinians have been the tool of choice by all those states, if the Palestinians could be squared away and given a fair deal they would accept, it would certainly inconvenience the hell out of those other players.

330 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #326 imp_62

Did you make it from mashed potatoes and food colouring?

No. I didn't make it or paint it; I just bought it on Ebay.

331 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:56:56pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

It would take away their ability to wage war by proxy.

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:56:56pm

re: #328 brownbagj

It is a known issue from Microsoft, so search their knowledge-base.

Happy to help. Wish I could take over your computer and fix it for you, but I don't know you that well.

:)

We can just start with spooning.
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333 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:57:12pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

Definitely. But with the amount of propaganda and outside influence on them, I think they're not going to accept anything remotely reasonable any time soon.

Unfortunately.

334 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:57:28pm

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

As I have said before, spooning leads to forking.

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335 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:57:39pm

re: #299 Alouette

If the Arabs would lay down their arms, there would be peace.

The original claim was about Palestinians, not all Arabs.

How would the more orthodox and radical Israelis react?

If the Israelis would lay down their arms, there would be no Israel.

This is likely quite true.

336 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #306 austin_blue

Because there are millions of Palis and not millions of dead Jews in Israel.

Duh.

QED moment.

Brilliant! Well then, lets say most white supremacists & neo-Nazis don't hate or want to kill Jews, blacks, or Asians. There aren't any bodies to prove it, right?

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:58:09pm

re: #273 Obdicut

I'd pick another word. They're subjected to a huge amount of propaganda, but, shockingly, lot of Palestinians manage to never kill a Jew in their life. If you brainwashed someone to kill Jews, they'd go out and kill Jews.

And that propaganda is not sourced in Palestine; that comes from many sources, but one of the chief ones is Saudi Arabia, our allies.

It is really ridiculous to take any sort of stand on Palestinian action while simultaneously supporting the Saudi regime that puts out propaganda to radicalize Muslims against Jews.

And this has been the ridiculous US position for a long, long time now.

I'd say, maybe "brainwashed from birth to accept a hopeless struggle against Israel as a reasonable thing to mortgage your kids against."

338 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 7:59:49pm

re: #336 NJDhockeyfan

I think the point is 'hate' and 'kill' are very, very, very different things.

339 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:00:05pm

re: #335 b_sharp


How would the more orthodox and radical Israelis react?

They would accept peace. They would not go on a rampage murdering Arabs.

340 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:00:18pm

re: #323 Obdicut

And I will be honest, AGW or no AGW, getting off of oil is in our long term best interest as a sovereign nation.

It won't be easy. There needs to be a transition period, but there needs to be some dedication to it to.

We need nuclear energy for stationary objects (houses, cities, businesses) and good portable energy for transportation.

341 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:00:20pm

re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but since the Palestinians have been the tool of choice by all those states, if the Palestinians could be squared away and given a fair deal they would accept, it would certainly inconvenience the hell out of those other players.

True, to a point. But Hizbullah as an Iranian proxy makes very little bones about not giving two shits about the Palestinians. Peace with (or pacifying) the Palestinians brings Egypt, Jordan and the Gulf States onsides, but does nothing to address the Iranian threat. This is in part why the peace negotiations are of so little obvious interest to the Israeli government. While from a moral perspective, peace with the Palestinians is seen as desirable, it does very little to ameliorate the security situation. Hamas in the south, Hizbullah in the north.

342 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:01:07pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

No. I didn't make it or paint it; I just bought it on Ebay.

are you in Manhattan?

343 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #303 HoosierHoops

Maybe I wasn't clear when I said there was an advantage to internal vs.External network calls with static IP's..But a name server calls go around that issue with references to Host files containing the computer name rather than an IP.. That's how a backup service finds you on the Net without knowing the DHCP range...Cause they don't really know your leased IP at any given time...Clouds can't locate you with a simple IP address cause it may change over time...

The Host files contain both IP and name. DNS translates the name into IP.

344 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #323 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but AGW has everything to do with how much oil we use. How on earth can you say otherwise? Using oil causes AGW.

Can you explain how on earth you're saying that the use of oil is unrelated to AGW?

Can you say how it's related? If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc... if oil was such a problem causing global warming?

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:01:49pm

re: #290 Obdicut

Depending on your value of 'hate', it might or might not be fair to say the majority of Palestinians hate Jews. Polls aren't really taken to reveal 'hate', but the incidence of 'have a negative view of Jews is something like 95% in the Palestinian territories.

Apparently, at some point they did a HUGE survey of Palestinians and Israelis of a range of ages, looking at their ideas about the other group. Interestingly, there was a real gap between older Palestinians and their grandchildren when it came to 'do the Jews have a genuine attachment to Jewish religious sites in Israel'. The older people said, "Of course", the kids said "No, it's an excuse to take our land".

Propaganda and circumstances have had an effect even within the generations now living.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:01:54pm

re: #342 imp_62

are you in Manhattan?

WORSE!!
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347 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:02:48pm

re: #343 b_sharp

Fight! Fight!

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348 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:02:49pm

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

WORSE!!
///

Long Island?

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:03:04pm

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mujahadeen were fighting the Taliban. Then they turned into the Northern Alliance.

IIRC, the CIA used to affectionately call them 'the Mooj'.

That's back when 'jihadist'--which, BTW, is what 'mujahed' means--was a GOOD thing.

350 freetoken  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:03:06pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc...

They're called "lobbyists".

351 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:03:10pm

re: #314 b_sharp

You're just weird. ;P

Deists are a species of god of the gaps theist.

Nope. No interaction with the Prime Mover. No Gods, no Jesus, no miracles, just the primal forces of physics. Weak force, strong force, gravity, the speed of light.

The prime Mover created...evolution... at the Big Bang. it's why we are here. It had to happen on some planet or other. So here we are are. What are we going to do, as cognizant beings?

Be nice to one another. That's all we've got on this planet. Does something happen afterward? After we step on a rainbow? Who knows? Who cares? Our collective job, HERE, is to make things as tolerable as possible for humans in THIS place.

That's a pretty good description of a Deist's philosophy. Others might disagree, but what the hell! That's cool, too.

352 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:03:25pm

re: #340 brownbagj

And I will be honest, AGW or no AGW, getting off of oil is in our long term best interest as a sovereign nation.

Absolutely true, and has been for a very long time.


It won't be easy. There needs to be a transition period, but there needs to be some dedication to it to.

Unfortunately, thanks to the AGW part, we have very limited time for that transition period. And it's not enough for us to switch away from oil on our own; we have to be able to export the technology to China, which does so much of our manufacturing-- and, really, the rest of the world.


We need nuclear energy for stationary objects (houses, cities, businesses) and good portable energy for transportation.

We need whatever works; if thorium reactors prove out, it's them. But we shouldn't put our eggs all in one basket, but continue improving all alternative technologies with any merit.

And we need a huge push to do this.

With the GOP currently denying AGW, this is almost certainly not going to happen, and we will be reduced to the ridiculous hope that China will develop good alternative energy.

The GOP: Making the US dependent on the innovation from a communist nation. Irony.

353 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:04:07pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

Can you say how it's related? If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc... if oil was such a problem causing global warming?

Are you just fucking with us?

You seriously are arguing that consumption of fossil fuels doesn't cause AGW?

What does cause AGW, then?

354 Kragar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:04:22pm

Christine O'Donnel finally lists a college she didn't go to in the sequel to her "I am not a witch" commercial

355 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:04:30pm

re: #342 imp_62

are you in Manhattan?

No, Chicago suburbs. Are you a Battletech player?

356 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:16pm

re: #310 HoosierHoops

All servers are Static.. Period amen..

Dynamic DNS allows you to use dynamic IP on servers. I have 2 servers at home with static IPs, and I service several servers through Dyndns.org dynamic DNS. The routers note when the IP changes and sends the new IP to Dyndns.org which changes their DNS listing which propagates through the rest of them.

357 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:19pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

Can you say how it's related? If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc... if oil was such a problem causing global warming?

The ridicularity is strong with this one.

358 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:20pm

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's also a reflection that a lot of the reasonable Palestinians, with education and means, have seen the writing on the wall and left for the US, Britain, and elsewhere. It's a pity, but I can't deny that I'd probably do the same if I was a Palestinian.

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:23pm

re: #339 Alouette

They would accept peace. They would not go on a rampage murdering Arabs.

If any did, the IDF would deal with them. Quickly and effectively.

360 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Christine O'Donnel finally lists a college she didn't go to in the sequel to her "I am not a witch" commercial


[Video]

I agree with CCAkhbar: I would tap that if she could keep her mouth shut.
/

361 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #325 brownbagj

Theists didn't evolve from monkeys. Deists did.

//

That's actually a viable statement!

362 laZardo  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:54pm

re: #351 austin_blue

SOUNDS LIKE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM.

/personal philosophy, you only got one life, have fun while it lasts because you won't get another.

363 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #352 Obdicut

Then might I suggest a strategy change for the Democrats?

Show how easily the funds from oil support fundamental Islam. How is support Saudi Arabia and their teaching of hate.

Make it a security play which will play to the independent/center-right instead of AGW which many just don't want to believe.

All are good reasons (and selfish reasons at that) to get serious about it.

364 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #312 brownbagj

But they don't like static electricity. Funny that.

Blew a NIC just by touching the case.

365 shutdown  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:06:16pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

No, Chicago suburbs. Are you a Battletech player?

no, but a good friend of mine collects the mash and food colouring figures, as well.

366 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:06:42pm

re: #363 brownbagj

Then might I suggest a strategy change for the Democrats?

I'll add it to the list I call "Stop being fucking idiots, Democrats".

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:07:19pm

re: #358 Obdicut

I think it's also a reflection that a lot of the reasonable Palestinians, with education and means, have seen the writing on the wall and left for the US, Britain, and elsewhere. It's a pity, but I can't deny that I'd probably do the same if I was a Palestinian.

There was a Palestinian family that lived down the street from my folks when I was growing up. I played basketball with the son. His dad once told my dad that he unrolled the map of the Middle East, looking for a safe and sane place to raise his family--and moved to California.

368 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #366 Obdicut

Seriously laughed out loud on that one. I bet my republican list is longer though, at least right now.

369 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:07:48pm

re: #319 calochortus

We could start our own religion./

Sure. The religion of Banana Peels. Everything we believe is on a slippery slope.

370 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:08:15pm

re: #368 brownbagj

Seriously laughed out loud on that one. I bet my republican list is longer though, at least right now.

It will get shorter if you stop listing each Tea Party candidate as a separate item, and just consider them a single problem.

371 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:09:22pm

re: #343 b_sharp

The Host files contain both IP and name. DNS translates the name into IP.

Now we are talking...Public services don't use DNS much...Because of the dynamic IP assignments leased out..You find generally that DNS is used in the 10.x.x.x range within Corporate networks...This gets complex...Oracle and other DBases use a file called TNSNAMES files to make a socket call...

372 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:09:25pm

re: #362 laZardo

SOUNDS LIKE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM.

/personal philosophy, you only got one life, have fun while it lasts because you won't get another.

Ah, except for that "Don't know!" statement, eh?

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:10:28pm

re: #371 HoosierHoops

Now we are talking...Public services don't use DNS much...Because of the dynamic IP assignments leased out..You find generally that DNS is used in the 10.x.x.x range within Corporate networks...This gets complex...Oracle and other DBases use a file called TNSNAMES files to make a socket call...

Can't we just pass notes in study hall?
/

374 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:11:13pm

Obdicut, might I ask you another question that is a little OT?

I have always wondered as a Christian who believe in the freedom of religion and separation of church and state....

Why doesn't someone gay sue for the right to marry on religious grounds? That their religion supports gay marriage and the direct blocking of said marriage is a 1st amendment issue? That if "Christian" marriages are recognized, and their religion (some gays are Christian as well as other faiths) is being blocked, then they are being prejudiced against and that the US has to force recognition of those marriages?

I think they win in a landslide the Supreme Court. What do you think?

375 laZardo  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:11:23pm

re: #372 austin_blue

More like "Don't give a fuck." For all I know, all the effort to make human life more tolerable will probably get wiped out in one fell swoop either in my generation or the next.

376 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:11:29pm

re: #339 Alouette

They would accept peace. They would not go on a rampage murdering Arabs.

Thanks. I was just curious.

377 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:12:14pm

re: #374 brownbagj

The government doesn't recognize Christian marriages, is the reason.

378 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:12:23pm

re: #365 imp_62

no, but a good friend of mine collects the mash and food colouring figures, as well.

Cool. My gaming figures are painted pewter.

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:13:51pm

re: #377 Obdicut

The government doesn't recognize Christian marriages, is the reason.

Just marriages.

380 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:14:10pm

re: #351 austin_blue

Nope. No interaction with the Prime Mover. No Gods, no Jesus, no miracles, just the primal forces of physics. Weak force, strong force, gravity, the speed of light.

The prime Mover created...evolution... at the Big Bang. it's why we are here. It had to happen on some planet or other. So here we are are. What are we going to do, as cognizant beings?

Be nice to one another. That's all we've got on this planet. Does something happen afterward? After we step on a rainbow? Who knows? Who cares? Our collective job, HERE, is to make things as tolerable as possible for humans in THIS place.

That's a pretty good description of a Deist's philosophy. Others might disagree, but what the hell! That's cool, too.

What's this Prime Mover thingy?

381 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:15:18pm

re: #377 Obdicut

I thought it might be more complicated than that as where did the one man, one woman edict come from?

I am sure I am speaking from ignorance here, but the "sanctity" of marriage seems to be a religious worry. And, if that is the argument, then there must be due process for relief for gays who wish to marry as well.

Just thinking out loud. It bothers the hell out of me.

382 freetoken  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:15:23pm

re: #363 brownbagj


Make it a security play which will play to the independent/center-right ...

That's been tried now for a couple of decades.

The result?

DRILL, BABY, DRILL!

383 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:15:55pm

re: #380 b_sharp

The unmoved mover. The arbitrary starting point of the universe, viewed as sentient entity.

The supposed thing about which one can't ask "And what created that?"-- instead of being reality in total, a being with the ability to create, who himself needed no creation.

Doesn't make sense, of course.

384 Interesting Times  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:17:34pm

re: #353 Obdicut

Are you just fucking with us?

You seriously are arguing that consumption of fossil fuels doesn't cause AGW?

What does cause AGW, then?

Anyone who can look at this picture and still consider the burning of fossil fuels harmless needs a clue transplant ASAP.

In fact, even the Chinese government doesn’t seem to believe that its efforts are working. There is word in China Daily, a government mouthpiece, that officials are considering an even more drastic plan that could take 90 percent of the city’s cars off the road, if the pollution readings don’t cooperate.
385 freetoken  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:17:36pm

re: #375 laZardo

For all I know, all the effort to make human life more tolerable will probably get wiped out in one fell swoop either in my generation or the next.

Along those lines:

A new TED talk posted, highly recommended and the professor has some nice graphics:

[Link: www.ted.com...]

386 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:17:53pm

re: #381 brownbagj

I thought it might be more complicated than that as where did the one man, one woman edict come from?

Religion and custom.

I am sure I am speaking from ignorance here, but the "sanctity" of marriage seems to be a religious worry. And, if that is the argument, then there must be due process for relief for gays who wish to marry as well.

Your logic is perfectly good, but the truth is the argument about the 'sanctity' of marriage has nothing at all to do with the actual legal argument for gay marriage, as the recent trial in California showed.

Marriage is two things; a cultural concept and a legal framework. What gay people are trying to achieve is the legal framework; the extent to which they will have the cultural concept is a function of the way that people really, actually treat them as a married couple.

387 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:18:09pm

re: #369 b_sharp

Sure. The religion of Banana Peels. Everything we believe is on a slippery slope.

I ought to have a witty comeback for that , but I'd need either more or less wine than I currently have.

388 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:19:00pm

re: #382 freetoken

I see that, but i do not think the Dems have really pushed this. Make it a part of a real plan to "fight terrorism and those who support it."

I see half-hearted attempts and lots of waiving of arms.

Like immigration - make a comprehensive long-term plan to weaken terrorism...by cutting its funding off at the roots.

AGW is just too "conceptual" to gain traction. Terrorism is right now (I know AGW is too, but is not as apparent and won't be until it is too late).

Even drilling can be a part of the plan short term to get the center-right to see that the Dems are realistic for our need for energy.

They could make a damn persuasive argument.

389 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #388 brownbagj

The Democrats wrongly and stupidly, I believe, think they'll piss of their base if they emphasize the 'fight terrorism' thing too much.

390 Claire  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:20:43pm

Those pigs look like they're made of that weird pink chicken lard.

391 brownbagj  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:21:57pm

re: #389 Obdicut

It is wrongly and stupidly. The believe what the republicans say I guess about democrats which is weakness on defense and energy.

Many of my family are long-time dems, most of the men are veterans and are dang patriotic.

Do they not know their real base?

392 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:22:55pm

re: #375 laZardo

More like "Don't give a fuck." For all I know, all the effort to make human life more tolerable will probably get wiped out in one fell swoop either in my generation or the next.

Pity you feel this way. If things get chaotic, we will surely be victims as well.

393 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:23:16pm

re: #389 Obdicut

The Democrats wrongly and stupidly, I believe, think they'll piss of their base if they emphasize the 'fight terrorism' thing too much.

They would piss off the Code Pink crowd, but they might also start winning back their reputation on National Security by doing so. And that would have long-term benefits. The problem, of course, is that both parties think primarily in the short term, due the need of politicians to get reelected.

394 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:23:35pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

Can you say how it's related? If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc... if oil was such a problem causing global warming?

o_O

395 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:23:51pm

re: #371 HoosierHoops

Now we are talking...Public services don't use DNS much...Because of the dynamic IP assignments leased out..You find generally that DNS is used in the 10.x.x.x range within Corporate networks...This gets complex...Oracle and other DBases use a file called TNSNAMES files to make a socket call...

10.x.x.x is a private address range, as is 192.x.x.x. Public services use DNS all the time. Try accessing a web site without the A record published by a DNS server somewhere. Most databases use UNC which still has to go to a DNS server. Even WINS (replacment for NETBIOS) translates name to IP. Does the TNSNAMES file similar to a Hosts file or LMHosts files?

396 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:24:30pm

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can't we just pass notes in study hall?
/

Only if you use IPV6 IPs.

397 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:24:32pm

re: #391 brownbagj

No, the Democrats don't really know their real base, I think.

I can't figure out their 'strategy' otherwise, on this and other topics.

398 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:26:14pm

re: #381 brownbagj

I thought it might be more complicated than that as where did the one man, one woman edict come from?

I am sure I am speaking from ignorance here, but the "sanctity" of marriage seems to be a religious worry. And, if that is the argument, then there must be due process for relief for gays who wish to marry as well.

Just thinking out loud. It bothers the hell out of me.

I think the one man, one woman thing came about in England back in the 15th.

399 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:27:30pm

re: #383 Obdicut

The unmoved mover. The arbitrary starting point of the universe, viewed as sentient entity.

The supposed thing about which one can't ask "And what created that?"-- instead of being reality in total, a being with the ability to create, who himself needed no creation.

Doesn't make sense, of course.

That's what I was trying to get Austin_Blue to admit.

400 austin_blue  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:28:01pm

re: #380 b_sharp

What's this Prime Mover thingy?

I just believe that there was something that set the basic laws of the Universe prior to the Big Bang. Strong force, weak force, gravity and the speed of light. I have no proof of it, but then again, there's no proof against it.

Atheists are as committed to their beliefs as Shiite Baptists. It takes a lot of faith to believe that there is no creative force in the Universe, that it's all random.

401 laZardo  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:28:36pm

re: #385 freetoken

And on that note, our recently-elected President is actually taking a stand against the Church (or at least as much a 'stand' short of open defiance, which will not bode well for re-election) when it comes to contraception.

402 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:29:47pm

re: #394 WindUpBird

o_O

We can't figure it out either.

403 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:35:14pm

re: #400 austin_blue

I just believe that there was something that set the basic laws of the Universe prior to the Big Bang. Strong force, weak force, gravity and the speed of light. I have no proof of it, but then again, there's no proof against it.

Atheists are as committed to their beliefs as Shiite Baptists. It takes a lot of faith to believe that there is no creative force in the Universe, that it's all random.

You just threw up a straw man. Atheists do believe in creative processes and that nothing is random in the sense you mean except possibly quantum tunnelling. When we say random, we mean unpredictable, not without cause. What we deny is that there is a supernatural or intelligent cause to the formation of the 4 basic forces. They were the result of the BB and formed within the first Planck moment.

404 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:36:40pm

re: #344 NJDhockeyfan

Can you say how it's related? If that were true why hasn't the government banned car racing, boating, private jets, etc... if oil was such a problem causing global warming?

Holy cognitive dissonance, Batman!

405 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #400 austin_blue


Atheists are as committed to their beliefs as Shiite Baptists. It takes a lot of faith to believe that there is no creative force in the Universe, that it's all random.

That is an inaccurate summation.

406 calochortus  Thu, Oct 7, 2010 8:46:31pm

re: #400 austin_blue

I just believe that there was something that set the basic laws of the Universe prior to the Big Bang. Strong force, weak force, gravity and the speed of light. I have no proof of it, but then again, there's no proof against it.

Atheists are as committed to their beliefs as Shiite Baptists. It takes a lot of faith to believe that there is no creative force in the Universe, that it's all random.

I thought I specifically said I was willing to be convinced of the existence of God. What is your evidence?

407 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Oct 8, 2010 10:18:24pm

re: #177 oaktree

What is this thing called a "winning season". I suffer from the delusion of being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan.

Hey, our Pirates have won a World Series more recently than the Indians, Astros, Mariners, Rays, Rangers, Rockies, Padres, Brewers, Giants, Nationals, and of course the Cubs.


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