Deep Oceans Releasing Large Amounts of Heat

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Here’s some very troubling news from the world of climate science: there is evidence that the deep oceans may have been “warehousing” large amounts of excess heat — and now they’re beginning to release it: Antarctic Melting as Deep Ocean Heat Rises.

And if it’s true, we may be locked into long-term sea level rise already, no matter what we do.

Global warming is sneaky. For more than a century it has been hiding large amounts of excess heat in the world’s deep seas. Now that heat is coming to the surface again in one of the worst possible places: Antarctica.

New analyses of the heat content of the waters off Western Antarctic Peninsula are now showing a clear and exponential increase in warming waters undermining the sea ice, raising air temperatures, melting glaciers and wiping out entire penguin colonies.

“In the area I work there is the highest increase in temperatures of anywhere on Earth,” said physical oceanographer Doug Martinson of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. Martinson has been collecting ocean water heat content data for more than 18 years at Palmer Island, on the western side of the Antarctic Peninsula.

“Eighty-seven percent of the alpine glaciers are in retreat,” said Martinson of the Western Antarctic Peninsula. “Some of the Adele penguin colonies have already gone extinct.”

Martinson and his colleagues looked not only at their very detailed and mapped water heat data from the last two decades, but compared them with sketchier data from the past and deep ocean heat content measurements worldwide. All show the same rising trend that is being seen in Antarctica.

“When I saw that my jaw just dropped,” said Martinson. The most dramatic rise has happened since 1960, he said.

What the rising water heat means, he said, is that even if humanity got organized and soon stopped emitting greenhouse gases, there is already too much heat in the oceans to stop a lot of impacts — like the melting of a huge amount of Antarctic ice.

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1 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:00:12pm

There is a pattern here; our projections have been conservative. The impacts are going to be worse, and come quicker, than we had previously thought.

Please, people, whatever your political orientation, call, write, and otherwise get the message to your congresspeople and senators that you want immediate action on climate change, that you want government research, that you want us to beat the Chinese in the technology race for green energy. Let them know you know the science and that you won't vote for people who don't take the threat seriously.

If you don't voice your opinion to them you cannot expect them to act as though you have.

2 Kragar  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:00:42pm

Pff, evidence.

Lets talk about the controversy.
/

3 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:01:58pm

How to contact your senators:

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

And your representatives:

[Link: writerep.house.gov...]

4 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:04:48pm

It never rains but it pours....

5 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:05:40pm

I'm curious to see how FOX plays this down.

6 Kragar  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:06:06pm

We need to make a serious, long term investment in terms of agriculture, drinking water, energy resources and other infrastructure now.

7 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:07:58pm

"What the rising water heat means, he said, is that even if humanity got organized and soon stopped emitting greenhouse gases, there is already too much heat in the oceans to stop a lot of impacts -- like the melting of a huge amount of Antarctic ice."

hate to be a negative Nelly, but if this says we have no ability to effect change of the deep water heat......

Time to hit the Craps table

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:09:14pm

re: #7 Ericus58

"What the rising water heat means, he said, is that even if humanity got organized and soon stopped emitting greenhouse gases, there is already too much heat in the oceans to stop a lot of impacts -- like the melting of a huge amount of Antarctic ice."

hate to be a negative Nelly, but if this says we have no ability to effect change of the deep water heat...

Time to hit the Craps table

No matter what, we can still do a lot to avoid making it even worse.

9 S'latch  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:09:19pm

It seems I always hear new global warming stories (hottest year in history, oceans releasing stored heat, etc.) during the coldest periods of the year, when most people on the planet are talking about how extremely sever this winter is. (I am not engaging in climate change denial. I am just commenting on a counter-productive trend I think I have noticed.)

10 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:10:39pm

re: #8 Charles

No matter what, we can still do a lot to avoid making it even worse.

Don't disagree there... I'll be manning the bailing bucket with ya.

11 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:10:42pm

re: #9 Lawrence Schmerel

It seems I always hear new global warming stories (hottest year in history, oceans releasing stored heat, etc.) during the coldest periods of the year, when most people on the planet are talking about how extremely sever this winter is. (I am not engaging in climate change denial. I am just commenting on a counter-productive trend I think I have noticed.)

It's summer in the Antarctic right now.

12 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:11:03pm

It might take an iceless Antarctic archipelago before we get some real action on climate change. Even the iceless arctic is greeted with a "fine, now we can send transport ships on a quicker route!".

Judging by our actions so far maybe we'll just open up a new tourism trade making cottages on the new landmass instead? That region has been woefully underexploited..

13 S'latch  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:11:20pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Right. But don't most people live in the Northern hemisphere?

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:11:27pm

re: #9 Lawrence Schmerel

It seems I always hear new global warming stories (hottest year in history, oceans releasing stored heat, etc.) during the coldest periods of the year, when most people on the planet are talking about how extremely sever this winter is. (I am not engaging in climate change denial. I am just commenting on a counter-productive trend I think I have noticed.)

It's not cold at all here in LA. I don't believe in all this "cold weather" alarmism.

15 S'latch  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:12:40pm

re: #14 Charles

Well, that is what I was hearing some of on the Right Coast.

16 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:13:18pm

re: #13 Lawrence Schmerel

Right. But don't most people live in the Northern hemisphere?

Yes they do, but its easier to work in the Antarctic during our winter, and the lag between taking measurements in the Antarctic and releasing the analysis frequently puts the release in our winter.

17 S'latch  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:13:31pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Earth's northern hemisphere contains most of its land area and most of its human population (about 90%).

18 yasharki  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:14:14pm

If this is for real I own an apology to Obdicut and others for making certain assumptions about accusations Julian Assange's. If Gawker's info proves real he's a real weirdo and a perv :)

[Link: gawker.com...]

19 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:14:49pm

It feels like bailing out the titanic with a thimble, trying to get people to care. I'd cry if I weren't the very definition of bulging manliness. /

(I use humor to mask the pain.)

20 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:15:24pm

re: #14 Charles

It's not cold at all here in LA. I don't believe in all this "cold weather" alarmism.

Climate has to be measured in decades, not years.

We may have a cold winter (weather) but overall, it's getting warmer. I first became a believer when I looked at the decades of USDA Grow Maps. They have tracked the change for a very long time.

21 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:16:03pm

re: #17 Lawrence Schmerel

Earth's northern hemisphere contains most of its land area and most of its human population (about 90%).

I'm aware of that, but it has nothing to do with my point.

22 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:16:48pm

re: #20 researchok

Climate has to be measured in decades, not years.

We may have a cold winter (weather) but overall, it's getting warmer. I first became a believer when I looked at the decades of USDA Grow Maps. They have tracked the change for a very long time.

I think Charles was being ironic.

23 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:18:21pm

re: #19 Fozzie Bear

It feels like bailing out the titanic with a thimble, trying to get people to care. I'd cry if I weren't the very definition of bulging manliness. /

(I use humor to mask the pain.)

There, There Fozzie..... I'll give Kermit a ring and he'll be by to sooth ya.

;)

24 researchok  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:20:04pm

re: #22 b_sharp

I think Charles was being ironic.

You're probably right.

I've become more invested and concerned in AGW since LVQ explained to me how we can distinguish between natural occurrences of climate change and man made contributions.

That was where I was really hung up.

25 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:21:45pm

The alarmism is real. This is seriously impacting my decision to have children.

It's very depressing.

26 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:26:01pm

I suspect one of our friendly minimizers will be along soon to make a hilarious joke about swimmers needing to refrain from farting in the ocean.

27 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:26:49pm

re: #25 BigPapa

The alarmism is real. This is seriously impacting my decision to have children.

It's very depressing.

I didn't have any. You can have my share. :)

Seriously, if you want to have a kid or two, and you can manage some optimism to share with them, I would encourage you to do so. Make 'em encourage them to be scientists, because we will need them.

28 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:27:10pm

Sorry to be such a downer but the timing couldn't be worse. I've been watching Greenman videos of James Hansen all morning so I was a little sensitive.

I'll not go without a fight though, the urge to really 'do something' beyond giving $ is becoming too strong.

29 Ericus58  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:29:39pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

I didn't have any. You can have my share. :)

Seriously, if you want to have a kid or two, and you can manage some optimism to share with them, I would encourage you to do so. Make 'em encourage them to be scientists, because we will need them.

That's the best way to keep moving forward.
Indeed, some of the facts and data point to some bleak prospects if the worse-case scenarios pan out. But don't let the negative run or dictate your life.

We only got one shot, make the best of it and live it fully. Children included.

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:30:06pm

When the shit finally does hit the fan where will all the politicians and pundits that have been claiming this is all just a hoax, just a conspiracy, be hiding?

31 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:30:20pm

re: #25 BigPapa

The alarmism is real. This is seriously impacting my decision to have children.

It's very depressing.

You could always adopt? There's no shortage of kids in need of a family. And if things get worse, this will only be a more acute problem.

32 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:30:34pm

re: #25 BigPapa

The alarmism is real. This is seriously impacting my decision to have children.

It's very depressing.

You can have one of my kids. He's 35 but still has a few miles on him.

33 imherefromtheinternet  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:32:30pm

From Wikipedia: "Approximately 61 percent of all fresh water on the Earth is held in the Antarctic ice sheet, an amount equivalent to 70 meters of water in the world's oceans."

Hm. Sounds like I might have to move back to the "real America" if it all melts. Don't want to share my neighborhood with the damn squiddies.

34 cenotaphium  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:34:14pm

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

When the shit finally does hit the fan where will all the politicians and pundits that have been claiming this is all just a hoax, just a conspiracy, be hiding?

Many of them will be sitting pretty on the deals they made, ready to evacuate to wherever is suitable. It's the survivalist thing; I've got mine, I prepared, so I know I'll make it, and that's really all that matters.
Undoubtedly there are a whole bunch who genuinely just believe it won't happen. I guess they can try the old "I was wrong, but we all have to work together now" bit.

Besides, when the shit hits the fan, our first instinct isn't to find the naysayers and give 'em what for, but rather to save ourselves and as many as we can carry.

35 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:37:11pm

Breaking news:

Birther LTC Terry Lakin has been sentenced:
Dismissal from the service, 6 months in the stockade, and forfeiture of all pay and allowances.

Who says stupid isn't a criminal offense?

36 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:37:24pm

re: #33 imherefromtheinternet

Don't want to share my neighborhood with the damn squiddies.

That reminds me of this action packed, humorous cartoon.

/No! It's not friggin' "Sponge Bob"!

37 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:37:48pm

The shit is already hitting the fan. It's a slow moving pile of shit and a slow moving fan.... but extremely gigantic. It will take an immense amount of energy to reach a point of inertia, or even move it back the other way... if that is at all feasible.

38 imherefromtheinternet  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:47:23pm

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

That reminds me of this action packed, humorous cartoon.

/No! It's not friggin' "Sponge Bob"!

Nice video.

39 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:51:44pm

re: #5 researchok

I'm curious to see how FOX plays this down.

No need. Fox won't report on it.

Even if it did, they'd report on the areas where ice coverage in area has been increasing (although total volume has been decreasing).

And then they'd send memos to all newscasters to point out that someone somewhere questions the voluminous data collected by climate scientists.

They don't need to develop new strategies for this type of situation.

40 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:52:27pm

re: #11 b_sharp

It's summer in the Antarctic right now.

It's summer on 1/2 the planet right now.

41 jc717  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:56:35pm

Glad I don't own any Florida real estate.

42 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:56:52pm

re: #8 Charles

No matter what, we can still do a lot to avoid making it even worse.


But will we?
Based on our level of debate and action so far, I doubt we will take any substantive action before the effects of global warming start to do some real damage to the global human population. People just don't trust science. It is so big and complex that it is easy in our soundbite culture to paint scientists as trying to influence people and politics.

/Because we all know that people who want to influence and control others tend to enter the sciences instead of politics.

43 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 1:59:37pm

Looks like Gawker has been attacked - can't get it to load.

44 lostlakehiker  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:03:24pm

re: #8 Charles

No matter what, we can still do a lot to avoid making it even worse.

It's like if you're going to be in a wreck and you can't avoid it. You still stand on the brakes. A crash at one speed will kill you, two seconds of braking and you live, four seconds and you walk away from it, six seconds and the car's not a write-off.

Of course, with global climate, a second is a decade, or maybe even two decades. We need to use every "second" we've got, and we can't afford to be thinking like `let the next generation deal with it.' In one or two 'seconds', the crash-to-be gets a lot worse.

45 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:04:11pm

So I can buy future oceanfront property blocks away from the ocean? Investment opportunities abound!

46 lostlakehiker  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:07:57pm

re: #25 BigPapa

The alarmism is real. This is seriously impacting my decision to have children.

It's very depressing.

You should have children anyhow. We here in America are going to need to do some heavy lifting down the road, both to mitigate the problem, and simply to cope with what it's going to be doing to us. A person has hands and eyes as well as a mouth.

We stand in the place Archimedes asked for, next to a lever that can move the world. We'll need the strength to do it.

People whose circumstances put them squarely in the bulls-eye, and who will not be able to educate any child they might have to where it could do anything about the problem, face a different equation.

47 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:10:36pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker

You should have children anyhow. We here in America are going to need to do some heavy lifting down the road, both to mitigate the problem, and simply to cope with what it's going to be doing to us. A person has hands and eyes as well as a mouth.

We stand in the place Archimedes asked for, next to a lever that can move the world. We'll need the strength to do it.

People whose circumstances put them squarely in the bulls-eye, and who will not be able to educate any child they might have to where it could do anything about the problem, face a different equation.

That's about the best thing you've said here. When we take over, we'll eat you last.

48 freetoken  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:11:04pm

Over a very long period, probably millennia, we will discover the extent of the effects of our actions. Of course no one around today will be there to acknowledge what we have done.

Liquid water can hold a great deal more thermal energy per volume than air (even at sea level pressures.) Lots and lots more. We are only a livable planet because of our oceans - without them the day/night and seasonal temperature variations would be much greater (see the Moon.)

We won't make Earth uninhabitable for life, be we can make it so difficult for ourselves that everything we know about modern civilization can be unwound. In the worst imaginable scenarios it is possible that we could load the atmosphere with so many GHG that we warm the seas so much that mass amounts of gases, such as hydrogen sulfide (after the ocean bottoms become anoxic for long enough), are released but I'm expecting our economic follies to give out long before then.

This issue of AGW has always been about what we want to leave the future as our "cultural estate", so to speak. Do we want to pass on modernity, a thriving civilization that can last? It's been at least 7000 years since the earliest human communities organized themselves into larger societies that eventually became what we are today. Do we want to chuck it all?

49 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 2:32:38pm

I'm from Maine, where it's been joked that we have two seasons: winter and mud.

I recently moved back after spending 10 years in Virginia, and several of my friends said that weather-wise, it had been the greatest summer in memory. A couple followed up with the standard rebuttal of "if this is global warming, it's awesome" or words to that effect.

I fear that as long as you have huge parts of the country where people respond to concerns with a collective yawn because global warming doesn't immediately impact them, it's going to be awfully tough to reach any sort of consensus on what can or should be done until the weather goes haywire everywhere.

Denialism is probably one of the toughest barriers we face in addressing global warming, and we just elected a shitload of denialists this past November.

50 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 3:35:40pm

If Nate Silver is to be believed, and he is very jealous of his reputation, the normal penalty in Sweden for the alleged crime is $715. That says a lot about the link from his alleged actions in bed to his actions on the political scene. (Which I don't support as I understand them at the moment.)

51 MinisterO  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:09:08pm

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

When the shit finally does hit the fan where will all the politicians and pundits that have been claiming this is all just a hoax, just a conspiracy, be hiding?

They've already prepared their response. I found it on the copier.

The scientific evidence was until now inconclusive and we could not reasonably act upon it. We regret that our scientists failed to provide the proper information sooner and pledge to investigate this failure.

52 Ming  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 4:43:56pm

If it true that parts of Antarctica are melting, I'm sure Fox News will blame it all on President Obama. "We were warned about this by great scientists -- AMERICAN scientists -- and what did the President do? Nothing."

53 lostlakehiker  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:17:48pm

re: #52 Ming

If it true that parts of Antarctica are melting, I'm sure Fox News will blame it all on President Obama. "We were warned about this by great scientists -- AMERICAN scientists -- and what did the President do? Nothing."

Every disaster is warned of ahead of time. The problem is how to deliver a credible warning.

Radar reported the Japanese air armada on its way towards Pearl Harbor. That warning was too late to have made much difference in any case, but it was ignored, along with all the others.

Even after Pearl Harbor, even after we all knew we were at war, our air force in the Philippines was caught flat footed.

There was a securities trader who warned, vehemently and repeatedly and with lots of evidence to back up his warning, that Madoff's funds were scams. He was mostly ignored. Even by the people who stood to lose their shirts. It's just part of human nature to not want to hear bad news.

It's part of mammalian nature. Part of us has this rabbit mind that thinks if we don't move the predator won't see us.

People have been known to just sit at a table and not get up and walk away, as fire grew and engulfed the dining hall they were sitting in. Even though they were warned, repeatedly and by a guy who was proved right.

They just froze. (And then burned to death.) And here we are, as a society, fixing to do the same thing collectively.

The culture of science is to calmly and methodically present your evidence. Anyone who departs from that tone is rightly suspected of being an eccentric and quite possibly a kook, if not a downright charlatan. But the advice of Amanda Ripley in her book about how to survive disaster is if somebody freezes, you slam a door or slap them or something. That triggers another side of the mammalian brain, which is to suddenly pay attention to loud noises or pain. The predator has spotted you, bunny, and RUN!

We who see the danger don't see how to get through to those who don't, through those who don't want them to see. Dammit.

SLAMS THE DOOR AND LEAVES THE ROOM

54 CSKapper  Thu, Dec 16, 2010 9:27:14pm

I remember about 2 years ago repeating the lie to my friends that a volcano spews as much greenhouse gas in one eruption as all man-made sources do in a decade. Then I saw Charles' posting on the topic of climate change and his opinion began to change. I first thought he was going crazy until I started reading the scientific data instead of the right-wing "interpretations" of said data. About a year and a half ago, I went to all of my friends and told them I was wrong...completely wrong. Some of them believed me and others refused to open their minds to another possibility.

I am appreciative of all the efforts that everybody has put forward to continue to educate believers and non-believers on the reality and importance of this situation.

If I weren't agnostic, I'd pray for our future. I guess I'll just go on and hope...and educate others.

55 steve  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:23:49am

Global warming is sneaky.

Global warming ????????

What happend to global climate change?

56 freetoken  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 2:42:40am

re: #55 steve

In the case at hand, "warming" was likely used to convey the storage of energy (e.g., "warmth").

57 rawsnacks  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:46:09am

Environmentalism is nothing at all like a religion.

58 kirkspencer  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:51:22am

re: #20 researchok

Climate has to be measured in decades, not years.

We may have a cold winter (weather) but overall, it's getting warmer. I first became a believer when I looked at the decades of USDA Grow Maps. They have tracked the change for a very long time.

One of the bits of evidence I keep putting in front of people is the minutes and reports of the thousands of gardening clubs across the nation. Go visit a few that have been around and you'll discover they keep records - when did you plant X, when was the frost, when did your lettuce bolt from the heat, etc. It's on the ground confirmation of the USDA grow maps. There are others, but it's amazing how persuasive that can be to a group of people once confronted with the fact.

(So, Mrs. Grundy, when did you use to have last harvest? And for the past few years when have you been having last harvest?)

59 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 10:01:57am

re: #55 steve

Global warming is sneaky.

Global warming ???

What happend to global climate change?

Most people use them interchangeably, although CC is a result of GW. If this is your sneaky way of making a right wing talking point, then you might ask yourself why science has been using both since the mid '70s and the right wing started using CC in 2003 after Frank Luntz sent them a memo.

60 steve  Fri, Dec 17, 2010 8:38:26pm

UK Coldest December on Record!

The UK Daily Mail, December 17, 2010
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]


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