Gaddafi May Be Ready to Fold His Tent

‘Feelers’ have been ‘extended’
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There are signs tonight that Muammar Gaddafi may be trying to arrange a safe bail-out for himself and his family.

(Reuters) - Members of Muammar Gaddafi’s entourage are putting out feelers to seek a ceasefire or safe passage from Libya, according to U.S. and European officials and a businessman close to the Libyan leadership.

Messages seeking some kind of peaceful end to U.N.-backed military action or a safe exit for members of Gaddafi’s entourage have been sent via intermediaries in Austria, Britain and France, said Roger Tamraz, a Middle Eastern businessman with long experience conducting deals with the Libyan regime.

Tamraz said Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, Muammar’s eldest son, and Abdullah Senoussi, the Libyan leader’s brother-in-law, were the most prominent Gaddafi entourage members involved in seeking ways to end the fighting.

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509 comments
1 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:39:05pm

Sure would be tragic if that got messed up and the whole entourage crashed into the Mediterranean.

2 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:40:54pm

he can check into the Bunkhouse Hotel, but….
he he can never leave

3 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:41:21pm

OT, but related:

The man suspected of murdering PC Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan embassy in London in 1984 has been arrested by rebel forces in the country and is in custody in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:41:26pm

Maybe he could replace Beck as Fox’s new anti-Obama lunatic.

5 researchok  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:41:52pm

I suppose the negotiations will in large part center around how much money he can keep.

6 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:42:43pm

Nothing was stopping him a week ago; two weeks ago; or three weeks ago - and several hundred dead and thousands injured (and hundreds of thousands displaced), but now that he’s in financial trouble ($30 billion+ seized), he’s realizing the gig is up…

Better late than to continue fighting a war that the Libyans don’t want (and they don’t want Khadafi either).

7 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:43:11pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sure would be tragic if that got messed up and the whole entourage crashed into the Mediterranean.

he’s fucked…he cannot move around Libya freely and he cannot fly out
like a Turd On the Run

8 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:43:32pm

re: #5 researchok

I suppose the negotiations will in large part center around how much money he can keep.

2 coins for the ferryman is more than he deserves.

9 Petero1818  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:44:36pm

The Colonel won’t go. I expect him to die in Libya as he promised he would. Saif who has spent significant time in the West and was educated outside Libya, knows that his time has come. HIs father’s antics have cost him his credibility on the world stage and a his luxurious international lifestyle. Expect him to cut whatever deal he can.

10 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:46:03pm

I hope and pray that he will go, and set his people freer.

11 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:46:23pm

keep him inside Libya…there is a morality involved letting him escape….
let the people have him

12 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:47:49pm

re: #10 Floral Giraffe

What deal will be cut with the damnable Lockerbie bomber? He ordered / authorized it… For the greater good I suppose. *sigh*

13 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:47:58pm

re: #11 albusteve

keep him inside Libya…there is a morality involved letting him escape…
let the people have him

If he wants to go peacefully, I say let him go and the rebels can get on to fucking up on their own.

14 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:49:24pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

If he wants to go peacefully, I say let him go and the rebels can get on to fucking up on their own.

and I say let the Libyans have their vengence….if he survives, bust him for the Lockerbie bombing

15 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:50:24pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

If he wants to go peacefully, I say let him go and the rebels can get on to fucking up on their own.

Everybody has the dog given right to screw themselves.

16 Gus  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:52:34pm

Thanks goodness things are under control in Bahrain.

//

17 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:53:31pm

Trouble all over.

18 BishopX  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:55:15pm

If his going ends this war I’m all for it. While the prospect of him escaping justice rankles a bit, I would rather set the precedent that even the worst dictators can get get out of a popular uprising alive. Hopefully that will make the next uprisings less violent.

19 Gus  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:55:44pm

Image: obama-mission-accomplished.jpg

//

20 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:56:06pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Everybody has the dog given right to screw themselves.

That’s sort of my point. All of this dash up that is happening in the Middle East is ripe for fuck ups. Don’t get the wrong impression, I’m all for these people getting “freedom.” But this random, wildfire sort of revolutions are going to allow a big opening for those with interest other than “freedom.” Currently, in almost all the cases across the middle east, there isn’t strong coalitions or political entities than can fill these opening… none that have a real interest in the people.

This is not going to shake out easily, and it actually may turn out for the worst when all is said and done.

I don’t have any answers, but currently I have no reason to look at this whole thing pessimistically… but that’s just my opinion.

21 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:57:45pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

That’s sort of my point. All of this dash up that is happening in the Middle East is ripe for fuck ups. Don’t get the wrong impression, I’m all for these people getting “freedom.” But this random, wildfire sort of revolutions are going to allow a big opening for those with interest other than “freedom.” Currently, in almost all the cases across the middle east, there isn’t strong coalitions or political entities than can fill these opening… none that have a real interest in the people.

This is not going to shake out easily, and it actually may turn out for the worst when all is said and done.

I don’t have any answers, but currently I have no reason to look at this whole thing pessimistically… but that’s just my opinion.

I have no other reason not to look at this whole thing pessimistically…

22 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:58:04pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Thanks goodness things are under control in Bahrain.

//

It’s a bad situation due to the Saudi’s, there. I would very much like to see a strong revolution in Saudi Arabia towards a more Western government. Unfortunately, they would probably go further jihadi/wahabi/right wing.

23 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:58:25pm

Hearing about Sec State Clinton and no fly plus is un-nerving. And Syria, and Gaza and… and… Holy crap we (NATO) are not even out of Bosnia. Let alone Iraq.

24 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:58:47pm

re: #22 prairiefire

It’s a bad situation due to the Saudi’s, there. I would very much like to see a strong revolution in Saudi Arabia towards a more Western government. Unfortunately, they would probably go further jihadi/wahabi/right wing.

That’s a possibility in all these conflicts… not just SA.

25 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 6:59:26pm

re: #18 BishopX

If his going ends this war I’m all for it. While the prospect of him escaping justice rankles a bit, I would rather set the precedent that even the worst dictators can get get out of a popular uprising alive. Hopefully that will make the next uprisings less violent.

he can be dragged into a court no matter where he is….there is no escaping justice if principled men want to take him down

26 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:00:31pm

re: #25 albusteve

he can be dragged into a court no matter where he is…there is no escaping justice if principled men want to take him down

Same reason Bush can be called into court anywhere… right?

27 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:00:44pm

re: #17 Charles

Trouble all over.

Good.
Thank you Charles.

28 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:01:55pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

Same reason Bush can be called into court anywhere… right?

yes, if Bush were culpable of crimes such as Mo has committed

29 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:02:42pm

re: #14 albusteve

and I say let the Libyans have their vengence…if he survives, bust him for the Lockerbie bombing

Yes, he knows that won’t go away, wherever he could go and I wonder if even that buffoon Chavez wants him there. But the truth is there will be hundreds of his hangers on who know their judgment day is coming, and they can’t all go with him, so what will they do?

30 Linden Arden  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:02:54pm

If so, would Fathead Newt change his mind again?

31 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:03:00pm

re: #28 albusteve

yes, if Bush were culpable of crimes such as Mo has committed

Some people on the world stage believe he has… some people in this country thinks he has.

32 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:04:22pm

As Frank Zappa put it:

No way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day

33 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:05:07pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Some people on the world stage believe he has… some people in this country thinks he has.

And now Obama can be added to the ‘some people believe’ list too.

34 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:06:29pm

re: #22 prairiefire

It’s a bad situation due to the Saudi’s, there. I would very much like to see a strong revolution in Saudi Arabia towards a more Western government.

Saudi has a western oriented government. What they don’t have is a western oriented society. Governments can change overnight, but societies can’t.

35 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:06:50pm

re: #21 Walter L. Newton

I have no other reason not to look at this whole thing pessimistically…

I don’t disagree. I really don’t like interfering with another sovereign state’s progress, but Rwanda, the Balkans and Darfur suggest that sometimes stepping in is preferable to watching massive death. The problem is in deciding which situations should be entered. In the case of Libya, the rebels asked for a specific type of help, as did some of the surrounding countries making the decision easier.

36 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:07:44pm

re: #29 Naso Tang

Yes, he knows that won’t go away, wherever he could go and I wonder if even that buffoon Chavez wants him there. But the truth is there will be hundreds of his hangers on who know their judgment day is coming, and they can’t all go with him, so what will they do?

die

37 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:08:44pm

re: #36 albusteve

die

not easily if that is the future they see.

38 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:09:28pm

re: #32 Charles

As Frank Zappa put it:

No way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day

Help I’m a rock.

39 dmon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:09:32pm

On the Ed show


“Time for a poll, Whose policy on Libya is better?”

Text “1” for Newt

Text “2” for Gingrich

40 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:11:22pm

re: #34 Naso Tang

Saudi has a western oriented government. What they don’t have is a western oriented society. Governments can change overnight, but societies can’t.

When the Saudi gal at school in England found out I was a Christian, she hated me with the heat of a thousand suns.

41 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:14:20pm

re: #40 prairiefire

When the Saudi gal at school in England found out I was a Christian, she hated me with the heat of a thousand suns.

That’s the nice thing about being an atheist - every religion has the hate on for you.

42 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:14:38pm

re: #33 Jadespring

And now Obama can be added to the ‘some people believe’ list too.

I don’t think President Obama or President Bush should be on any sort of list like that.

43 Jadespring  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:15:20pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

I don’t think President Obama or President Bush should be on any sort of list like that.

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

I don’t think President Obama or President Bush should be on any sort of list like that.

Neither do I.

44 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:16:49pm

re: #43 Jadespring

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Neither do I.

Woh, Déjà vu.

45 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:18:06pm

re: #40 prairiefire

When the Saudi gal at school in England found out I was a Christian, she hated me with the heat of a thousand suns.

Was that before or after?

46 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:18:15pm

re: #41 b_sharp

That’s the nice thing about being an atheist - every religion has the hate on for you.

And you can, if you wish, hate all religions evenly. Nothing hypocritical about that. It’s a comfortable position.

47 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:19:27pm

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

And you can, if you wish, hate all religions evenly. Nothing hypocritical about that. It’s a comfortable position.

Oh I do. Doesn’t do much good though since the religious have all the power.

48 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:22:00pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Oh I do. Doesn’t do much good though since the religious have all the power.

And actually “hate” is a stupid word on my part, I honestly don’t hate any religion… I have my varying degrees of dislike and even distain fro some of the practitioners, but most religions have enough going for it in the morals department to offer something good and comforting to those who smart enough to make good use of it… for those others that don’t, and only find the fire and brimstone aspect to be of any use to themselves… they can… well, to keep with the vernacular… got to hell.

49 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:22:48pm

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

And you can, if you wish, hate all religions evenly. Nothing hypocritical about that. It’s a comfortable position.

I don’t and I dare say you don’t. Hating is never comfortable; for very long anyway.

The basic difference between atheists and believers is that the majority of atheists started out as believers, or at the very least agnostics. They have the advantage of perspective.

50 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:23:18pm

re: #49 Naso Tang

I don’t and I dare say you don’t. Hating is never comfortable; for very long anyway.

The basic difference between atheists and believers is that the majority of atheists started out as believers, or at the very least agnostics. They have the advantage of perspective.

See my clarification at re: #49 Naso Tang

51 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:23:30pm

Members of Muammar Gaddafi’s entourage are putting out feelers

does that mean they’re insects or creeping plants?

52 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:23:36pm

re: #45 Naso Tang

Was that before or after?

1982.

53 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:23:49pm

re: #49 Naso Tang

I don’t and I dare say you don’t. Hating is never comfortable; for very long anyway.

The basic difference between atheists and believers is that the majority of atheists started out as believers, or at the very least agnostics. They have the advantage of perspective.

Oh… by the way… don’t tell me how I feel or don’t feel. Thank you.

54 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:24:35pm

re: #17 Charles

Trouble all over.

Quagmire!

55 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:25:28pm

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

And actually “hate” is a stupid word on my part, I honestly don’t hate any religion… I have my varying degrees of dislike and even distain fro some of the practitioners, but most religions have enough going for it in the morals department to offer something good and comforting to those who smart enough to make good use of it… for those others that don’t, and only find the fire and brimstone aspect to be of any use to themselves… they can… well, to keep with the vernacular… got to hell.

And meanwhile at Jihad Watch… :)

56 Gus  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:25:46pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Quagmire!

Giggity, giggity.

/

58 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:26:11pm

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

I’m so glad you clarified that Walter.. I know you don’t hate religion but bring a razor sharp thought to it’s hypocrisy..
Kudos

59 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:26:43pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Oh… by the way… don’t tell me how I feel or don’t feel. Thank you.

Are you in a snit tonight? I’m going by what I think you’ve said before. Perhaps your perspective has changed.

60 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:26:50pm

re: #52 prairiefire

Oh, she had a large photo poster in her room that was a photo of palestian refugees with a drawing of Christ on the cross superimposed over the photo. The bottom of the cross was a jagged edge dagger dripping with blood.
She had me meet her with a friend in her room just the one time to make sure I saw it.
Pretty darn far from middle america, for damn sure.

61 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:27:18pm

What, no grim milestone? Where’s my Downing street memo?

62 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:29:23pm

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

And actually “hate” is a stupid word on my part, I honestly don’t hate any religion… I have my varying degrees of dislike and even distain fro some of the practitioners, but most religions have enough going for it in the morals department to offer something good and comforting to those who smart enough to make good use of it… for those others that don’t, and only find the fire and brimstone aspect to be of any use to themselves… they can… well, to keep with the vernacular… got to hell.

I get your point, and hate is probably too strong a word. I do find the power religion has over the religious disgusting, especially when it’s used to inculcate hate and fear in kids. I have no problem with the average religious believer, but like you I have a strong dislike for many of the leaders who preach anti-social behaviour.

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:29:25pm

No war for shiny pantsuits!

64 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:30:11pm

re: #51 engineer dog

Members of Muammar Gaddafi’s entourage are putting out feelers

does that mean they’re insects or creeping plants?

Yes, of course.

65 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:31:05pm

Why does the New World Order want to suppress employment opportunities for busty Ukrainians?

66 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:32:28pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Why does the New World Order want to suppress employment opportunities for busty Ukrainians?

Dude. No way.

67 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:33:01pm

re: #66 b_sharp

Dude. No way.

Way!
/Tea Party

68 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:33:24pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

NWO creating jobs/travel opportunities for busty/other Ukrainians.

69 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:34:18pm

Sorry for the OT, but how bout them fucking GATORS! whoo hoo. Beat BYU in OT. Amazing game, I am about as happy as you could imagine. Click my avatar fuckers er, friends.

70 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:35:26pm

re: #38 Mr Pancakes

Help I’m a rock.


Suzy, you just got to town, and we’ve been… we’ve been very interested in your development.

71 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:35:55pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the OT, but how bout them fucking GATORS! whoo hoo. Beat BYU in OT. Amazing game, I am about as happy as you could imagine. Click my avatar fuckers er, friends.

How much have you had to drink, dear?

72 Gus  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:35:58pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

No war for shiny pantsuits!

Pantsuit vs. pantsuit!

//

73 What, me worry?  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:36:00pm

re: #60 prairiefire

Oh, she had a large photo poster in her room that was a photo of palestian refugees with a drawing of Christ on the cross superimposed over the photo. The bottom of the cross was a jagged edge dagger dripping with blood.
She had me meet her with a friend in her room just the one time to make sure I saw it.
Pretty darn far from middle america, for damn sure.

She missed out on a good friendship :(

74 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:36:26pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Sorry for the OT, but how bout them fucking GATORS! whoo hoo. Beat BYU in OT. Amazing game, I am about as happy as you could imagine. Click my avatar fuckers er, friends.

Amazing! Butler is leading Wisconsin right now…
Go Indiana!

75 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:40:18pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Amazing! Butler is leading Wisconsin right now…
Go Indiana!

Amber Holland won both of her games today.

Really, I got nothin’.

76 sizzleRI  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:41:29pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Awesome! I’m always partial to the SEC, even the Gators.

77 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:44:14pm

Indiana Prosecutor Encouraged ‘False Flag’ Assault On Walker To Discredit Wisconsin Unions

A deputy prosector in Johnson County, Indiana, has resigned his job after it was revealed that in February, during the large protests in Wisconsin over Gov. Scott Walker’s anti-public employee union bill, he e-mailed Walker’s office and recommended that they conduct a “false flag operation” — to fake an assault or assassination attempt on Walker in order to discredit the unions and protesters.

As Wisconsin Watch, a project of the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism reports, Carlos Lam initially denied that he had sent the e-mail, which was part of the tens of thousands of e-mails released in an open-records settlement the Walker administration reached with the local paper the Isthmus and the Associated Press.

When contacted by Wisconsin Watch, Lam had initially denied sending the e-mail, claiming that he had been the victim of identity theft, and said he did not support the criminal activities described in the e-mail: , “I think he’s trying to do what he has to do to get his budget balanced. But jeez, that’s taking it a little bit to the extreme.”

However, Lam admitted late in the afternoon that he did send the e-mail, and resigned his job.

78 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:46:23pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

Indiana Prosecutor Encouraged ‘False Flag’ Assault On Walker To Discredit Wisconsin Unions

Har de har har har.

79 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:46:32pm

re: #73 marjoriemoon


*smooch*

80 JRCMYP  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:46:39pm

Shocking.

//

81 RabbitRunner  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:46:47pm

I wouldn’t mind seeing him hang but if he decamped quietly to some villa in Saudi Arabia to wile away the remains of his miserable life and left Libya alone, I wouldn’t mind

82 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:47:33pm

re: #70 negativ

Suzy, you just got to town, and we’ve been… we’ve been very interested in your development.

Forget it!

Wow…… someone caught the reference…….. amazing. Props to you.

83 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:48:36pm

re: #82 Mr Pancakes

Forget it!

Wow… someone caught the reference… amazing. Props to you.

What is it?

84 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:50:53pm

re: #83 prairiefire

What is it?

This should explain it.

85 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:50:59pm

re: #83 prairiefire

What is it?

Some CommieIslamoAlien conspiracy, no doubt.

86 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:51:07pm

re: #83 prairiefire

What is it?

The album “Freak Out” by the Mothers of Invention. Charles made reference to it earlier.

87 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:51:19pm

re: #83 prairiefire

Suzy Creamcheese.

88 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:53:40pm

re: #87 jaunte

Suzy Creamcheese.

Great LSD album…….. from the dim and distant past.

89 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:54:37pm

re: #83 prairiefire

What is it?

If Butler wins tonight we face off with Florida…
Want do you think? Great basketball or what?

90 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

If Butler wins tonight we face off with Florida…
Want do you think? Great basketball or what?

None of this matters…… sadly, Ohio ST will take it all.

91 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:56:41pm
Youtube Video
92 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:58:32pm

re: #91 b_sharp

[Video]

That song is infectious. It’s in my head now and I didn’t even click it…….. thanks a lot… thanks a whole lot.

93 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 7:59:38pm

re: #92 Mr Pancakes

That song is infectious. It’s in my head now and I didn’t even click it… thanks a lot… thanks a whole lot.

You are very welcome.

94 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:08:20pm

I don’t know why, but this song is just awesome

Youtube Video
95 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:08:52pm

re: #60 prairiefire

Oh, she had a large photo poster in her room that was a photo of palestian refugees with a drawing of Christ on the cross superimposed over the photo. The bottom of the cross was a jagged edge dagger dripping with blood.
She had me meet her with a friend in her room just the one time to make sure I saw it.
Pretty darn far from middle america, for damn sure.

Sounds like a DELIGHTFUL person. Imagine waking up and seeing that every morning.

//A high school friend of mine had a Pakistani roommate who would come back to the dorm drunk in the wee small hours of the morning and try to convert T. to Islam. The only thing funnier than a religious bigot is a hypocritical religious bigot who’s blitzed.

96 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:10:05pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don’t know why, but this song is just awesome

[Video]

It is, I “quite concur”. One hit wonder.

97 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:13:05pm

Goodnight.

98 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:16:47pm

full stop?

99 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:18:29pm

drunk post of the night: imbibe HERE

100 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:20:00pm

re: #99 GNIDAthe#seCond

drunk post of the night: imbibe HERE

so with a nic like yours, what do I call you?

101 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:21:29pm

re: #98 albusteve

full stop?

Cat is licking my ear…….

Here’s the song Charles referenced to if anyone cares…… thread is kinda dead.

Youtube Video
102 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:21:36pm

re: #100 albusteve

so with a nic like yours, what do I call you?

Call him, #*^%@&^#

103 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:23:05pm

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Cat is licking my ear…

Here’s the song Charles referenced to if anyone cares… thread is kinda dead.

[Video]

as far as I know, that is the very first Zappa tune ever posted….many times I was going to but for one reason or another didn’t….it’s historic dood

104 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:23:13pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Call him, #*^%@&^#

Can you type that phonetically?

105 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:23:31pm

re: #104 Mr Pancakes

Can you type that phonetically?

I did.

106 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:23:41pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Call him, #*^%@&^#

I can’t pronounce that without spitting

107 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:23:58pm

re: #104 Mr Pancakes

th-a-t

108 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:24:29pm

re: #107 jaunte

th-a-t

Made me laugh out loud!

109 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:25:49pm

re: #100 albusteve

Gnida is good.

110 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:26:50pm

re: #109 GNIDAthe#seCond

Gnida is good.

Gahnieda or Nieda?

111 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:27:06pm

re: #71 b_sharp

How much have you had to drink, dear?

ha so late reply, but answer: ENOUGH!

Great to be a Florida Gator!

112 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:27:34pm

re: #110 prairiefire

Gahnieda or Nieda?

see what I mean?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:27:58pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like a DELIGHTFUL person. Imagine waking up and seeing that every morning.

//A high school friend of mine had a Pakistani roommate who would come back to the dorm drunk in the wee small hours of the morning and try to convert T. to Islam. The only thing funnier than a religious bigot is a hypocritical religious bigot who’s blitzed.

Many years later, I am more sympathetic to this girl than I was at the time. She was a jerk, but she was a very sheltered rich girl who found herself, pretty much overnight, in an entirely different world, and was torn between PAR-TAY! and an image of herself as a dignified and regal Muslim woman of the modern age—and being eighteen, she tried for both at once, and kind of screwed it up.

However, she did behave like a complete bee-yotch to my friend. Once lobbed a can of hairspray at T., and when confronted said that she got to beat the servants at home. Her father made her go to a women’s college for undergrad, but I don’t think he understood exactly how little that meant in terms of access to temptation.

I think, instead of the nice Chinese-American girl from California who’d made it in through hard work and judicious scholarship applications, and was trying to be kind to everyone, they should have put the roommate in with some bitchy confident old-money New Englander, and let them fight it out over cultural superiority.

114 sagehen  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:28:25pm

re: #40 prairiefire

When the Saudi gal at school in England found out I was a Christian, she hated me with the heat of a thousand suns.

I would have thought a Saudi gal going to school in England would expect most of her classmates to be Christian.

115 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:28:25pm

re: #110 prairiefire

Gahnieda or Nieda?


Don’t forget “the second”.

116 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:29:41pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

… they should have put the roommate in with some bitchy confident old-money New Englander, and let them fight it out over cultural superiority.

Oh, yeah.
I would have paid good money to see that match-up.

117 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:33:05pm

I’d love to box Dennis Kucinich…I’d pay for the privilege
just one 3min round oughta do it

118 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:33:12pm

In our local news today, a helicopter leaving a rig tipped over into the water; a bit of video is here. and the ad plays after the video so you don’t have to suffer through it first.

And an 18-wheeler tipped over on the interstate and was hanging off an access ramp.

Doesn’t appear there were anything but minor injuries in both incidents. Amazing.

119 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:33:55pm

What’s so complicated about a ‘g’ followed by a ‘n’… g-n-eeeeeeee-dah! beautiful! rolls off the tongue.

120 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:34:34pm

re: #117 albusteve

I’d love to box Dennis Kucinich…I’d pay for the privilege
just one 3min round oughta do it

My money is on you Steve……. even on one leg.

121 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:34:41pm

re: #118 reine.de.tout

In our local news today, a helicopter leaving a rig tipped over into the water; a bit of video is here. and the ad plays after the video so you don’t have to suffer through it first.

And an 18-wheeler tipped over on the interstate and was hanging off an access ramp.

Doesn’t appear there were anything but minor injuries in both incidents. Amazing.

But I may be wrong about the ad.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:34:47pm

re: #117 albusteve

I’d love to box Dennis Kucinich…I’d pay for the privilege
just one 3min round oughta do it

I’ve never even met you—but what are you planning to do for the last two minutes and forty-five seconds?

/And why are we beating up on Dennis, again, besides his general weirdness?

123 HoosierHoops  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:35:06pm

re: #119 GNIDAthe#seCond

What’s so complicated about a ‘g’ followed by a ‘n’… g-n-eee-dah! beautiful! rolls off the tongue.

The pound sign throws me off

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:35:12pm

re: #119 GNIDAthe#seCond

What’s so complicated about a ‘g’ followed by a ‘n’… g-n-eee-dah! beautiful! rolls off the tongue.

So the ‘g’ is not silent.

OK. GNIDA it is, then.

125 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:35:59pm

re: #120 Mr Pancakes

My money is on you Steve… even on one leg.

shit, I forgot that part….
maybe I’ll have to train for a few hours, get my haymaker balance perfected…yet my confidence is high

126 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:36:49pm

re: #114 sagehen

I would have thought a Saudi gal going to school in England would expect most of her classmates to be Christian.

Actually, there were quite a few Muslim kids from Jordan, Oman, Saudi, Turkey, and I think Bahrain.
It was an American owned university in England and accepted international students, mostly those that did not have the grades to get into Oxford or Cambridge.
They were all from wealthy families. There were also a couple guy students from Spain and Italy who were trying to avoid conscription back home.
Two of the nicest kids were Sonja from Turkey and Georges from Greece. Very, very sweet and gentle people, but they always kept a good 10 feet apart from each other. Same circle of friends, but they gave each other the fish eye and didn’t speak.
I had a “well duh” moment a year or so later when I read about the history between the two countries.

127 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:36:51pm

re: #123 HoosierHoops

The pound sign throws me off

I refuse to respond to such a handle….it could easily be changed to Janet

128 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:37:13pm

re: #119 GNIDAthe#seCond

What’s so complicated about a ‘g’ followed by a ‘n’… g-n-eee-dah! beautiful! rolls off the tongue.

I dunno.
To me, it’s just suspiciously close to “gonad”.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
But it doesn’t quite roll off the tongue the way you seem to think …

129 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:37:39pm

Butler kicks Big-10 ass with great regularity. No surprise.

And as to the Khadafy folding his tent article here? I won’t take much from these overtures. No doubt there are lots of dirtbags in the regime there looking to preserve their comfy butts.

Moammar, probably not. He is a prick and a tyrant. Probably be there for a very long time. This is a really shitty adventure in my opinion. No clear objective. No win possible.

130 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:37:44pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

So the ‘g’ is not silent.

OK. GNIDA it is, then.

GNEEDA.

131 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:38:01pm

re: #125 albusteve

shit, I forgot that part…
maybe I’ll have to train for a few hours, get my haymaker balance perfected…yet my confidence is high

LOL.
You forgot!
Well - I’m glad you’re in a place, at long long last, where you could possibly even write that sentence.

132 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:38:10pm

re: #119 GNIDAthe#seCond

What’s so complicated about a ‘g’ followed by a ‘n’… g-n-eee-dah! beautiful! rolls off the tongue.

Eh, I still can’t get people to get Kragar right. They always put an E in it.

133 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:38:11pm

re: #127 albusteve

My sister Gjanet was once bitten by a Møøse.

134 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:38:15pm

re: #123 HoosierHoops

The pound sign throws me off

long live the octothorpe!

135 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:38:48pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve never even met you—but what are you planning to do for the last two minutes and forty-five seconds?

/And why are we beating up on Dennis, again, besides his general weirdness?

gloat over his prone self and proclaim….”I’m going to Disney World!”

136 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:39:20pm

re: #130 prairiefire

it’s Russian for “maggot”

137 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:39:54pm

re: #136 GNIDAthe#seCond

it’s Russian for “maggot”

Well, alright then.

138 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:40:32pm

re: #129 The Shadow Do

Butler kicks Big-10 ass with great regularity. No surprise.

And as to the Khadafy folding his tent article here? I won’t take much from these overtures. No doubt there are lots of dirtbags in the regime there looking to preserve their comfy butts.

Moammar, probably not. He is a prick and a tyrant. Probably be there for a very long time. This is a really shitty adventure in my opinion. No clear objective. No win possible.

crapski….when Mo is pushing up daisies, the mission will have been accomplished…pretty simple Dennis

139 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:40:58pm

re: #137 prairiefire

Well, alright then.

Still doesn’t explain the pound sign, though.

140 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:41:08pm

re: #136 GNIDAthe#seCond

it’s Russian for “maggot”

you think we don’t know that?

141 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:42:13pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

LOL.
You forgot!
Well - I’m glad you’re in a place, at long long last, where you could possibly even write that sentence.

I’m getting there….slowly but shirley

142 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:42:36pm

re: #141 albusteve

I’m getting there…slowly but shirley

Good.
{{steve}}

143 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:42:36pm

re: #140 albusteve

you think we don’t know that?

Your in fine form tonight.

144 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:42:48pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

Still doesn’t explain the pound sign, though.

Maggot the #2?

145 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:43:05pm

re: #133 jaunte

My sister Gjanet was once bitten by a Møøse.

odd that….what the hell was she thinking?

146 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:43:23pm

re: #144 Mr Pancakes

Maggot the #2?

ew.

147 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:44:55pm

re: #127 albusteve

you can call me Janet, damn it, or you can call me al…

148 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:45:55pm

re: #138 albusteve

crapski…when Mo is pushing up daisies, the mission will have been accomplished…pretty simple Dennis

No one is going to drag him from a spider hole. Obama is clear that he will not, the French are all bluster under the American umbrella. No chance for mission accomplished here sad to say. This is really dumb stuff we are now up to our ears in.

149 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:46:35pm

re: #147 GNIDAthe#seCond

you can call me Janet, damn it, or you can call me al…

uh oh…I sense a Ladysmith vid soon

150 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:47:48pm

Butler is trashing Wisconsin. I love it.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:48:14pm

re: #144 Mr Pancakes

Maggot the #2?

What happened to Maggot the #1?

152 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:48:28pm

re: #150 The Shadow Do

Butler is trashing Wisconsin. I love it.

Zona is killing Duke….. I love that.

153 McSpiff  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:49:03pm

re: #148 The Shadow Do

No one is going to drag him from a spider hole. Obama is clear that he will not, the French are all bluster under the American umbrella. No chance for mission accomplished here sad to say. This is really dumb stuff we are now up to our ears in.

My thought has been the French taking the lead isn’t so much bravado as Obama and Sarkozy showing how France is once again playing nice with NATO. One integrated military force and all that.

154 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:49:04pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

What happened to Maggot the #1?

I drank it in a bottle of Tequila.

155 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:49:12pm

re: #152 Mr Pancakes

Oy!

156 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:49:35pm

re: #148 The Shadow Do

No one is going to drag him from a spider hole. Obama is clear that he will not, the French are all bluster under the American umbrella. No chance for mission accomplished here sad to say. This is really dumb stuff we are now up to our ears in.

naysayer…in fact, I care more for the way that BO is stiffing congress than I do about a washed up Mo…Kucinich and his merry band of panty waisters are pissing all over themselves….tres kewl…fuck congress

157 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:50:29pm

re: #153 McSpiff

My thought has been the French taking the lead isn’t so much bravado as Obama and Sarkozy showing how France is once again playing nice with NATO. One integrated military force and all that.

All that is a dumb ass exercise accomplishing zip. We are being suckered

158 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:50:29pm

OBAMA RULES!

159 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:51:35pm

re: #157 The Shadow Do

All that is a dumb ass exercise accomplishing zip. We are being suckered

you worry too much…enjoy the fireworks

160 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:51:55pm

re: #156 albusteve

tres kewl…fuck congress


Indeed

161 McSpiff  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:51:59pm

re: #157 The Shadow Do

All that is a dumb ass exercise accomplishing zip. We are being suckered

Gets the pilots their hours, gets rid of some cruise missiles that are a generation or two old. Gets a ‘meh’ from me. Could take it or leave it.

162 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:53:24pm

re: #161 McSpiff

Gets the pilots their hours, gets rid of some cruise missiles that are a generation or two old. Gets a ‘meh’ from me. Could take it or leave it.

Yeah, what the hell…

163 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:53:27pm

re: #161 McSpiff

Gets the pilots their hours, gets rid of some cruise missiles that are a generation or two old. Gets a ‘meh’ from me. Could take it or leave it.

I must have missed something….. I’ve been in a March Madness stupor……. did we attack someone?

164 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:53:45pm

re: #144 Mr Pancakes

Maggot the #2?

It’s quite the tale: I invented my name - the second coming of myself: GNIDAthe#seCond - I think i was GNIDA originally (in the good old days) and then became intoxicated and suddenly was incapable of continuing as GNIDA, so i was compelled to create a NEW username (in a stupor)… i chose GNIDAthe#seCond and I was forced to personally request that Charles include the octothorpe in my username… and now you know… the rest of the story…

165 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:54:10pm

the Lion Sleeps Tonight

Youtube Video
166 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:54:24pm

re: #163 Mr Pancakes

I must have missed something… I’ve been in a March Madness stupor… did we attack someone?

Bermuda I think

167 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:55:37pm

re: #164 GNIDAthe#seCond

It’s quite the tale: I invented my name - the second coming of myself: GNIDAthe#seCond - I think i was GNIDA originally (in the good old days) and then became intoxicated and suddenly was incapable of continuing as GNIDA, so i was compelled to create a NEW username (in a stupor)… i chose GNIDAthe#seCond and I was forced to personally request that Charles include the octothorpe in my username… and now you know… the rest of the story…

Gotcha……. and you made me shed a tear for Paul Harvey.

168 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:56:20pm

re: #140 albusteve

for the late comers, i said that

169 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:59:03pm

WTG Arizona…… totally dominated Duke.

170 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 8:59:18pm

no LBM fans?….thought so you uncultured neanderthals…so here you go

Youtube Video
171 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:05:43pm

re: #170 albusteve

no LBM fans?…thought so you uncultured neanderthals…so here you go

[Video]

I never got the whole Paul Simon solo thing……… he was so much better with Garfunkel. From 50 Ways to Kodachrome…… never clicked with me.

Youtube Video
172 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:12:42pm

re: #171 Mr Pancakes

I never got the whole Paul Simon solo thing… he was so much better with Garfunkel. From 50 Ways to Kodachrome… never clicked with me.

[Video]

Garf went into movies….
and consequently lost his ass
and btw, I consider Graceland an epic recording, thanks entirely to LBM

173 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:15:18pm

re: #172 albusteve

Garf went into movies…
and consequently lost his ass
and btw, I consider Graceland an epic recording, thanks entirely to LBM

You’re right Garf was nothing without Paul……….. I’m not really familiar with the Graceland album.

174 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:15:46pm

re: #3 jaunte

OT, but related:

The rebels know which side their bread is buttered on. Still, it’ll be justice to see that cop-killing scumbag get sent to the UK and then caged for the rest of his life.

175 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:15:53pm

WAIT ONE MINUTE!!! If Gaddafi/Qadaffi/Q’dafi/Que Daffy? goes, then what the fuck with the Republicans have to criticize Obama on? His inability to get Saddam to lay down his weapons in 2003? His inability to stop Pol Pot? His lack of response to the Spanish Inquisition? Maybe he shouted “Barabas! Barabas!” when Pontious Pilate asked who should be set free…Jesus or Barabas…that, I think, would be a winning strategy for a Bachmann campaign…(just sayin’…putting it out there you know…)

176 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:16:42pm

re: #173 Mr Pancakes

You’re right Garf was nothing without Paul… I’m not really familiar with the Graceland album.

an awesome piece of work, and I’m hardly a Paul Simon fan….terrific arrangements and musicianship….if you EVER get a chance to see Ladysmith, do it

177 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:16:52pm

re: #173 Mr Pancakes

You’re right Garf was nothing without Paul… I’m not really familiar with the Graceland album.

You should get one, it’s great.

Youtube Video
178 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:18:17pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist
The dream is over,
What can I say?
The dream is over,
Yesterday,
I was dreamweaver,
But now I’m reborn,
I was the GNIDA #1,
But now I’m GNIDAthe#seCond,
And so dear friends,
You just have to carry on,
The dream is over.

179 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:18:30pm

re: #173 Mr Pancakes

You’re right Garf was nothing without Paul… I’m not really familiar with the Graceland album.

Here’s a song from it:

Youtube Video
180 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:19:28pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a song from it:

[Video]

SNL I believe…I saw the original gig

181 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:19:40pm

re: #173 Mr Pancakes

You’re right Garf was nothing without Paul… I’m not really familiar with the Graceland album.

Diamonds on the soles of your shoes come in handy during an ice storm or freezing rain.

182 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:20:58pm

re: #157 The Shadow Do

All that is a dumb ass exercise accomplishing zip. We are being suckered

In Benghazi an imminent massacre was averted.

183 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:21:17pm

re: #181 darthstar

Diamonds on the soles of your shoes come in handy during an ice storm or freezing rain.

Ladysmith refers to the 19th century diamond boom town in what’s now SAfrica

184 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:21:55pm

re: #183 albusteve

Ladysmith refers to the 19th century diamond boom town in what’s now SAfrica

literalist.

185 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:22:34pm

re: #184 darthstar

literalist.

other than that factoid, I’m pretty stupid

186 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:24:06pm

que sera sera… Wilco “Country Disappeared”

187 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:24:40pm

re: #185 albusteve

other than that factoid, I’m pretty stupid

Oh, I never claimed you were smart…

:)

I like you, man. Seriously. Even though I think you’re politically retarded most of the time (but you probably feel the same about me).

188 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:25:21pm

re: #170 albusteve

no LBM fans?…thought so you uncultured neanderthals…so here you go

[Video]

Saw them in concert at Interlochen near Traverse City, MI eight or nine years ago. The dancing is just as awesome as the music.

189 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:26:34pm

re: #170 albusteve

no LBM fans?…thought so you uncultured neanderthals…so here you go

[Video]

Heh…didn’t realize you’d already posted the song.

190 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:27:35pm

re: #185 albusteve

other than that factoid, I’m pretty stupid



I know what I know

191 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:27:56pm

re: #188 Girth

Saw them in concert at Interlochen near Traverse City, MI eight or nine years ago. The dancing is just as awesome as the music.

yeah….saw many a gig up there, every summer for a decade

192 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:27:56pm

re: #183 albusteve

Ladysmith refers to the 19th century diamond boom town in what’s now SAfrica

Actually, Ladysmith was not the diamond town. The Diamond town was Kimberly in Cape Colony. Ladysmith was well to the east in Natal. Named after the Spanish wife British colonial commissioner Sir. Harry Smith had brought home from the Peninsular War, it was the principal British garrison town in Natal. Both towns were besieged in 1899-1900 during the Boer war, and initial British attempts to relieve them produces two serious defeats at Madgersfontein and Colenso. Coupled with another British defeat at Stormberg Junction, these three defeats gave the week they happened in the name “Black Week”.

193 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:28:48pm

re: #187 darthstar

Oh, I never claimed you were smart…

:)

I like you, man. Seriously. Even though I think you’re politically retarded most of the time (but you probably feel the same about me).

my politics do not define me…and for others that allow it, too fucking bad

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:28:50pm

re: #180 albusteve

SNL I believe…I saw the original gig

Chevy Chase was indeed part of the SNL cast at the time.

195 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:29:42pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

In Benghazi an imminent massacre was averted.

Really? Now what

196 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:30:03pm

re: #190 jaunte


I know what I know

I don’t pretend who I am

197 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:31:08pm

re: #193 albusteve

my politics do not define me…and for others that allow it, too fucking bad

Oh, hell…unless you’re John McCain, of course your politics don’t define you. You’re a Little Feat fan, an appreciator of the Allmans, and a kind understander of the benefits of the good herb. And you’re computer literate enough to be online…I’d never dream of defining you by your politics…and that was all tongue in cheek anyway…as I suspect you already know.

198 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:31:34pm

re: #196 albusteve

I don’t pretend who I am

I’m Jesus.

199 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:32:03pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Ladysmith was not the diamond town. The Diamond town was Kimberly in Cape Colony. Ladysmith was well to the east in Natal. Named after the Spanish wife British colonial commissioner Sir. Harry Smith had brought home from the Peninsular War, it was the principal British garrison town in Natal. Both towns were besieged in 1899-1900 during the Boer war, and initial British attempts to relieve them produces two serious defeats at Madgersfontein and Colenso. Coupled with another British defeat at Stormberg Junction, these three defeats gave the week they happened in the name “Black Week”.

and the hole in Kimberly is still there…but you are correct,I was not accurate and stand corrected…I was trying to provide some nuance

200 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:32:15pm

re: #198 darthstar

Thanks for all the fish.

201 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:33:08pm

Township jive

202 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:33:10pm

re: #200 jaunte

Thanks for all the fish.

The heck with the fish….. thanks for the wine.

203 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:33:55pm

re: #200 jaunte

Thanks for all the fish.

You’re welcome. And that response threw me, as I was prepared to lay down a nice good-night diatribe about how this planet was worthless for doubting me…alas, it’ll have to wait for another day. Try the bread…I made it with feta and olives.

204 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:34:40pm

re: #202 Mr Pancakes

The heck with the fish… thanks for the wine.

I was a bartender before I drove the pharisees out of the temple…fuckers never tipped anyway.

205 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:39:59pm

Rightwing bloggers are going completely apoplectic over this new story out of Iowa:

Critics: Iowa terror drill portrays immigration foes as killers

The exercise scenario describes shootings occurring after rising tensions in the community because of an influx of minorities, Reed said. The newcomers, some who are American citizens and some who are illegal immigrants, were to have moved into a rural area from urban areas in search of more-affordable living. The newcomers are not welcomed by racial extremists, and controversy sweeps the community, he said.

One of the fictional suspects involved in the shootings is described an 18-year-old white male with a quick-tempered father who is a firearms enthusiast with ties to an underground white supremacy group. A second fictional suspect is described as an isolated 17-year-old white male student who was befriended by the older student and who mimics his new friend.

Craig Halverson of Griswold, national director of the Minuteman Patriots, an activist group that opposes illegal immigration, said today he is concerned that the exercise is intended to portray people who legally possess guns and who fight illegal immigration as extremists. Members of his organization, as well as members of the Tea Party Patriots and the 9/12 Project, are calling and emailing Iowa’s elected officials to voice their objections, he said.

Hey Mr. Halverson? Do the names Shawna Forde, J.T. Ready, or Jim Gilchrist ring any bells for you? All are white nationalists, and all are current or former members of your organization. Oh, and there’s that little issue of your group being on the SPLC “hate group” list also.

As for some of the reactions already coming in, here’s a couple quotes from the Freeper post on this story: (link goes to google search of the page - the actual link isn’t cached as of yet)
[Link: www.google.com…]

Foes of illegal immigration are up in arms over plans for a weekend disaster exercise in western Iowa with a fictitious scenario in which young white supremacists shoot dozens of people amid rising tensions involving racial minorities and illegal immigrants.
The leftists are training unionized government police to take sides on behalf of the customers of the welfare state and against the citizens who fund them.
4 posted on Thu 24 Mar 2011 06:06:43 PM CDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)

This exercise needs to be disrupted
10 posted on Thu 24 Mar 2011 06:15:56 PM CDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: [Link: www.oathkeepers.org)…]

They’re practicing for their Reichstag fire event.
100% on target. Guaranteed they will do this.
I have one thing to say. This is our country. If they think they can take it from us at no cost, they will be in for a surprise.
Better Dead than Red. Read it. Believe it. Because it is the truth.
[linked pic of semi-auto]
You want us? Come get us.
14 posted on Thu 24 Mar 2011 06:35:12 PM CDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s….you weren’t really there)

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:40:39pm

IDF’s hitting Gaza.

207 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:42:21pm

re: #197 darthstar

Oh, hell…unless you’re John McCain, of course your politics don’t define you. You’re a Little Feat fan, an appreciator of the Allmans, and a kind understander of the benefits of the good herb. And you’re computer literate enough to be online…I’d never dream of defining you by your politics…and that was all tongue in cheek anyway…as I suspect you already know.

dood, I cannot find any decent Allman vids…I’ve posted a ton of indecent ones tho….

Youtube Video
208 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:42:22pm

re: #199 albusteve

and the hole in Kimberly is still there…but you are correct,I was not accurate and stand corrected…I was trying to provide some nuance

It was appreciated, Steve. It’s not a big error, given how little most people know about the geography of South Africa. Were it not for my studies of the Zulu and Boer Wars i would not have caught it.

209 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:42:41pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

IDF’s hitting Gaza.

good….it’s a good thing

210 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:43:12pm

re: #209 albusteve

good…it’s a good thing

Holy shit! Martha Stewart’s leading the invasion?

211 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:43:19pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

It was appreciated, Steve. It’s not a big error, given how little most people know about the geography of South Africa. Were it not for my studies of the Zulu and Boer Wars i would not have caught it.

two words….
Wilbur Smith
read him

213 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:45:39pm

re: #205 RadicalModerate

Classic Internet Tough Guy, talking about Obama’s “Reichstag Fire Event” and showing off his gun. He thinks he’s defending the 2nd Amendment, but all he’s doing is making gun owners look bad.

214 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:47:25pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Classic Internet Tough Guy, talking about Obama’s “Reichstag Fire Event” and showing off his gun. He thinks he’s defending the 2nd Amendment, but all he’s doing is making gun owners look bad.

yes, as if gun ownership is a political ‘tool’…pisses me off a bit

215 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:48:05pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Classic Internet Tough Guy, talking about Obama’s “Reichstag Fire Event” and showing off his gun. He thinks he’s defending the 2nd Amendment, but all he’s doing is making gun owners look bad.

The greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment is the caliber of people (no pun intended) rabidly defending it as if it were in danger.

216 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:49:37pm

re: #214 albusteve

yes, as if gun ownership is a political ‘tool’…pisses me off a bit

All the anti-gun people have to do is point at people like him and say, “Look at this fucker! You want people like him to own guns?” Nobody in their right mind will say yes.

217 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:49:52pm

re: #215 darthstar

The greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment is the caliber of people (no pun intended) rabidly defending it as if it were in danger.

Remember the fire sales all the gun shops were having just after Election Day ‘08? A couple of them even having signs out front declaring they should come and buy a gun before “Obama grabs them all up”?

2 years later and I’m still waiting for the government to come to my door demanding I turn my guns over.

218 jaunte  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:50:38pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Next step:

Iron Dome heads south
Following escalation on Gaza border, Israel will station portable anti-missile system in south on Sunday in order to intercept rockets, mortar shells
219 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:50:47pm

re: #215 darthstar

The greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment is the caliber of people (no pun intended) rabidly defending it as if it were in danger.

Obama is no friend of gun owners, but those who insist on seeing him as some sort of monster do themselves a great disservice. They only end up making themselves look foolish and they make Obama look better by comparison.

220 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:51:39pm

re: #207 albusteve

dood, I cannot find any decent Allman vids…I’ve posted a ton of indecent ones tho…

[Video]

I’m not a huge Allman Brothers fan, but this is my favorite song by them…… I will go as far to say it’s in my top 10 favorite songs of all time. Great song, but more importantly reminds me of a very memorable time in my life.

Youtube Video
221 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:52:21pm

re: #217 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Remember the fire sales all the gun shops were having just after Election Day ‘08? A couple of them even having signs out front declaring they should come and buy a gun before “Obama grabs them all up”?

2 years later and I’m still waiting for the government to come to my door demanding I turn my guns over.

My dad actually called me and told me to buy several boxes of ammunition for my .44-40 (which I leave locked up at his house) because I’d have to show my ID for every bullet I bought going forward. I bought none. I don’t have need of a gun right now, and my wife’s not a big fan of them. So I’m okay not keeping them around the house for the time being.

222 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:53:00pm

re: #220 Mr Pancakes

Good song…

223 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:53:31pm

re: #220 Mr Pancakes

I’m not a huge Allman Brothers fan, but this is my favorite song by them… I will go as far to say it’s in my top 10 favorite songs of all time. Great song, but more importantly reminds me of a very memorable time in my life.

[Video]

a very sweet tune…ballads are a strong part of any great band…consider the multitude of Stones ballads….and I love this song, who wouldn’t?

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:54:41pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Classic Internet Tough Guy, talking about Obama’s “Reichstag Fire Event” and showing off his gun. He thinks he’s defending the 2nd Amendment, but all he’s doing is making gun owners look bad.

I’m a serious gun nut. But I’m a lefty too.

I fart in their general direction.

:)

225 RadicalModerate  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:55:07pm

Reading some other news blogs regarding the Indiana DA who resigned today after emailing Wisconsin Gov. Walker regarding setting up a “False Flag” violent event to discredit the public workers’ unions.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Even though Lam’s boss decilned to prosecute him over this, since he emailed this across state lines to another state official, it would fall into the realm of a possible federal investigation. So, don’t be surprised if Mr. Lam gets a knock on his door from the FBI.

226 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:55:10pm

re: #221 darthstar

My dad actually called me and told me to buy several boxes of ammunition for my .44-40 (which I leave locked up at his house) because I’d have to show my ID for every bullet I bought going forward. I bought none. I don’t have need of a gun right now, and my wife’s not a big fan of them. So I’m okay not keeping them around the house for the time being.

.44-40 long gun?….someday I’m gonna buy me a .44-70 Winchester and if I can afford it, it will be a vintage antique

227 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:55:45pm

re: #218 jaunte

Next step:

That system promises to be very useful. At a minimum, it’ll force the Islamists to fire large numbers of rockets at the same time to have a chance to saturate the defense, which will give the IDF a better chance to locate the firing units and knock them out, hopefully killing the launch crews in the process.

Yes, I just said I hope the terrorist rocket crews are killed by the Israelis. Those bastards need killing.

228 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:57:02pm

re: #226 albusteve

.44-40 long gun?…someday I’m gonna buy me a .44-70 Winchester and if I can afford it, it will be a vintage antique

Yep…lever action. Holds 11 rounds. Love that gun. Great bush gun. Shot a white tail deer with it the first year I had it up in Montana. I’m not hunting anymore, but that’s one gun I’ll keep forever…until I give it to a nephew or someone.

229 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:58:44pm

re: #225 RadicalModerate

Reading some other news blogs regarding the Indiana DA who resigned today after emailing Wisconsin Gov. Walker regarding setting up a “False Flag” violent event to discredit the public workers’ unions.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Even though Lam’s boss decilned to prosecute him over this, since he emailed this across state lines to another state official, it would fall into the realm of a possible federal investigation. So, don’t be surprised if Mr. Lam gets a knock on his door from the FBI.

I’m glad that asshole got canned, and I’m glad Scott Walker was wise enough to ignore the suggestion.

230 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:58:54pm

OT: But as a Wisconsin resident, can I do a happy dance that the UW is out of the silly game? Not a team that should have made it this far sans the insane amount of luck they had till tonight.

231 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:59:34pm

re: #225 RadicalModerate

I think six months in prison would be sufficient time to think about how stupid his actions were.

232 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:59:47pm

re: #228 darthstar

Yep…lever action. Holds 11 rounds. Love that gun. Great bush gun. Shot a white tail deer with it the first year I had it up in Montana. I’m not hunting anymore, but that’s one gun I’ll keep forever…until I give it to a nephew or someone.

nice…I drool
my entire life I have wanted only two weapons….a vintage 1911 .45 and a lever action Winchester rifle…bag a decent pump shotgun and you are now armed as well as needed for anything

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:00:24pm

re: #217 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Remember the fire sales all the gun shops were having just after Election Day ‘08? A couple of them even having signs out front declaring they should come and buy a gun before “Obama grabs them all up”?

2 years later and I’m still waiting for the government to come to my door demanding I turn my guns over.

Oh yeah. Obama and the gun-grabbing was a hot topic here for a while.

234 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:02:26pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh yeah. Obama and the gun-grabbing was a hot topic here for a while.

but why grab guns when you can grab ammo?
I hate ammo grabbers

235 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:02:31pm

re: #232 albusteve

I’m a bit of an old fashioned fart. My dad gave me my grandfather’s 1942 Springfield .30-06 with Lyman peep sights. When one of his patients, who happened to be a gunsmith, asked me if I wanted a scope mounted when he bore a new barrel for me (off an axel from an old Model A), I said “Nope..put the peep sights back on. I like ‘em.” I was sixteen at the time.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:02:42pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

I’m glad that asshole got canned, and I’m glad Scott Walker was wise enough to ignore the suggestion.

Had to have landed in his secretaries lap - he isn’t smart enough to not go along with that.

(Note - I worked in WI State Government in the ‘90’s and had dealings with Scooter when he was in the Assembly. He is insanely far from the sharpest knife in the block.)

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:03:03pm

re: #221 darthstar

My dad actually called me and told me to buy several boxes of ammunition for my .44-40 (which I leave locked up at his house) because I’d have to show my ID for every bullet I bought going forward. I bought none. I don’t have need of a gun right now, and my wife’s not a big fan of them. So I’m okay not keeping them around the house for the time being.

Only very vaguely related, anyone see the episode in Human Target where the guys try to rob a gun store?

238 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:03:33pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

I’m glad that asshole got canned, and I’m glad Scott Walker was wise enough to ignore the suggestion.

If Walker was wise he would have reported the suggestion himself, instead he said nothing and fought the release of those emails.

239 darthstar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:04:34pm

Okay folks…it’s 10:00 here. Time to wake my sleeping wife on the couch next to me and drag her off to bed. Be kind, rewind (DVDs too).

240 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:07:04pm

re: #235 darthstar

I’m a bit of an old fashioned fart. My dad gave me my grandfather’s 1942 Springfield .30-06 with Lyman peep sights. When one of his patients, who happened to be a gunsmith, asked me if I wanted a scope mounted when he bore a new barrel for me (off an axel from an old Model A), I said “Nope..put the peep sights back on. I like ‘em.” I was sixteen at the time.

I would never shoot anything too far away…I’m a MI boy and I killed deer from 50yds or closer…never hunted the west or need scoped stuff…rifles are illegal in southern MI…you bang away with a shotgun or bow….but really a Springfield is an excellent long range rifle even so…but I cannot imagine desecrating one for a scope, even tho mililons were

241 Mickey_being_mickey  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:07:48pm

Index, index, index. I’m out yo. But I leave you with the worst Bigfoot video ever.

Youtube Video
242 sliv_the_eli  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:09:37pm

re: #226 albusteve

.44-40 long gun?…someday I’m gonna buy me a .44-70 Winchester and if I can afford it, it will be a vintage antique

I was thinking the same thing. And that “someday” will be a few days before my daughter is old enough to date. I have a spot over the fireplace all picked out to hang it, too.

243 sliv_the_eli  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:11:48pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

That system promises to be very useful. At a minimum, it’ll force the Islamists to fire large numbers of rockets at the same time to have a chance to saturate the defense, which will give the IDF a better chance to locate the firing units and knock them out, hopefully killing the launch crews in the process.

Yes, I just said I hope the terrorist rocket crews are killed by the Israelis. Those bastards need killing.

They need killing before they fire their next round.

244 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:12:43pm

re: #241 Mickey_being_mickey

Index, index, index. I’m out yo. But I leave you with the worst Bigfoot video ever.

[Video]

And I give you the most awesome bigfoot video ever

Youtube Video
245 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:13:28pm

Been looking for something worthy to follow the Allmans.

Youtube Video
246 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:16:10pm

re: #245 Girth

Been looking for something worthy to follow the Allmans.

[Video]

best song they ever recorded

247 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:17:22pm

re: #245 Girth

Been looking for something worthy to follow the Allmans.

[Video]

Great tune, thanks. Hadn’t heard it in a while.

248 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:18:09pm

re: #236 wlewisiii

Had to have landed in his secretaries lap - he isn’t smart enough to not go along with that.

(Note - I worked in WI State Government in the ‘90’s and had dealings with Scooter when he was in the Assembly. He is insanely far from the sharpest knife in the block.)

Still, from what I’ve been told (one of my co-workers covered the Assembly as a reporter a few years ago), Walker’s not a moron or monster. And only a moron or a monster would try that sort of “false flag”.

249 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:20:04pm

Getting pumped for band practice tomorrow afternoon. Nothing like having a few cold ones and making some music.

250 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:20:53pm

re: #247 ozbloke

Great tune, thanks. Hadn’t heard it in a while.

raw blues, no sugary harmonies, and the guitar work is off the meter…Crosby was perfect…a 10 plus

251 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:21:51pm

re: #249 Girth

Getting pumped for band practice tomorrow afternoon. Nothing like having a few cold ones and making some music.

the very thing Clapton says…you’re in good company

252 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:25:18pm

re: #226 albusteve

.44-40 long gun?…someday I’m gonna buy me a .44-70 Winchester and if I can afford it, it will be a vintage antique

.44-70 Maynard or .45-70 Government? The former is just a necked down version of the latter and I’ve never seen a Winchester chambered for it. Remington rolling blocks, but no Winchesters.

/Marlin shooter (Golden 39-A, 308MX & 1895 Cowboy.)

253 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:29:47pm

re: #250 albusteve

raw blues, no sugary harmonies, and the guitar work is off the meter…Crosby was perfect…a 10 plus

Absolutely, agreed.

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:33:38pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

Still, from what I’ve been told (one of my co-workers covered the Assembly as a reporter a few years ago), Walker’s not a moron or monster. And only a moron or a monster would try that sort of “false flag”.

Monster? No. Moron? In my experience with him? Pretty damn close. Remember this guy couldn’t finish college at even the level Palin did. I doubt he even saw the proposal because it would have been insta-nuked by his handlers.

Lord have mercy, but these days make me miss the last good Republican Governor we had - Lee Sherman Dreyfus. Christ have mercy, I may not have agreed with him but we at least were in the same freaking universe when having those arguments. Tommy wasn’t very bright either, but he had damn good handlers at the state level. Once he got up to HHS though he had the misfortune of being in the middle of the anthrax mess and was even more over his head than “Brownie” would later be. Thankfully for the nation, his stock never recovered. Lord have mercy on us all.

255 laZardo  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:38:26pm

Logging into this is better than switching the TV on and finding Hannity because my parents were watching FNC this morning.

/someone help me pls ;_;

256 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:38:54pm

re: #245 Girth

Youtube Video

I have always loved this one.

257 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:44:01pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

.44-70 Maynard or .45-70 Government? The former is just a necked down version of the latter and I’ve never seen a Winchester chambered for it. Remington rolling blocks, but no Winchesters.

/Marlin shooter (Golden 39-A, 308MX & 1895 Cowboy.)

.45-70 for sure…typo or brain fart
I’d love to invest in a vintage model 76 or 86

258 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:45:38pm

Good early morning all!

Can we just start putting billboards up that say:

WE ARE LIVING IN A BRAVE NEW WORLD.

Stop trying to live in YOUR ideal of an old world that
NEVER WAS!

How is everyone?

259 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:47:20pm

For the harmonies…

Youtube Video
260 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:49:14pm

Been in a Neil Young sort of mood myself today:

Youtube Video
261 laZardo  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:51:56pm

re: #258 ggt

WE ARE LIVING IN A BRAVE NEW WORLD.

Oh fuck, I haven’t had my daily soma yet. No wonder I’ve been so down.

262 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:52:22pm

Time to crash, Good night, all!

263 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:53:45pm

re: #261 laZardo

Oh fuck, I haven’t had my daily soma yet. No wonder I’ve been so down.

I know, I’m too old for all this change. I prefer dollar bills. or better yet …

GOLD!

/

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:54:12pm

heart of GOLD!

Youtube Video
265 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:54:53pm

re: #258 ggt

Good early morning all!

Can we just start putting billboards up that say:

How is everyone?

I’m tired, and about to go to bed. Glad I was up late enough to see you here.

266 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:55:29pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

I’m tired, and about to go to bed. Glad I was up late enough to see you here.

back atcha, DF!

267 albusteve  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:56:55pm

re: #259 Floral Giraffe

For the harmonies…

[Video]

wow…never seen that before

268 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:56:58pm

I remember an interview with David Crosby (when, where I don’t remember). He was talking about Neil Young and said that he had an unusal voice that did a really good job of conveying the emotion in a song.

I’ve always think of that when I listen to Neil Young.

(file under: random thoughts after midnight)

269 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:59:18pm

re: #259 Floral Giraffe

For the harmonies…

[Video]

quite enjoyable!

270 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:02:51pm

And now its time for me to go to bed. Goodnight, all.

271 laZardo  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:02:51pm

re: #264 ggt

Always believe in your-

Youtube Video
272 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:08:39pm

re: #271 laZardo

After that, I’m thinking of:

Youtube Video
273 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:20:32pm

re: #272 ggt

How about the original:

Youtube Video

A little more melancholy, fits the lyrics better I think.

274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:20:40pm

Ok, the sun the stars and the moon must have been perfectly aligned when these guys found each other.

Youtube Video

so much memory and emotion is tied to their songs, their sound—all good.

How does that happen?

275 laZardo  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:22:02pm

re: #272 ggt

Can’t have red wine without matching ambience.

Youtube Video
276 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:25:43pm

One of the few things I remember about the 80’s. CSN and Y in concert, but not together.

277 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:26:17pm

re: #275 laZardo

Can’t have red wine without matching ambience.

[Video]

You really have a fixation with the drum machine tonite, don’t you?

teehee

278 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:32:28pm

complete with video game graphics.

Youtube Video
279 treasured people  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:57:53pm

No other nation on earth would put up with this for five minutes. Of course, Israel ties its hands by listening to world opinion, even when Gaza rocket launching sites are invariably in residential areas in order to maximize Arab civilian casualties when Israel fires back. And then Israel apologizes for hitting civilians! It’s time to clean out the vipers’ nest (some call it Gaza).

280 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 12:11:43am

Night all!

281 treasured people  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 12:47:31am

It’s time to act.

282 laZardo  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 1:27:35am

Speaking of video games…

Youtube Video
283 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 1:31:22am

I knew Moammar was in dire straits when he gave a 15-minute speech against the West.

In his sald days, Moammar could go on for hours about the color of his socks…

284 laZardo  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 1:36:27am

bbl gym.

285 researchok  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 2:53:30am

Morning, all.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:02:36am

I hope that the Gaddafis get to leave Libya. I also hope there is a Double Tap in his immediate future.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:21:13am

re: #284 laZardo

bbl gym.

I first read that as bubble gum.

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:39:26am

It’s like I’m the only lizard.

289 researchok  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:42:05am

I’m going to try and go back to sleep..

My allergies are killing me.

290 researchok  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:42:25am

re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It’s like I’m the only lizard.

You are.
/

291 wee fury  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:43:00am

I’m here. But, leaving in a sec. for a trip.

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:43:05am

the only living lizard in new york…

293 researchok  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:43:24am

re: #291 wee fury

I’m here. But, leaving in a sec. for a trip.

Where to?

294 wee fury  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:43:49am

AZ.

295 researchok  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:44:38am

re: #294 wee fury

AZ.

I hope you make it across OK.

Don’t for get your papers.
//

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:45:28am

re: #292 ralphieboy

Was watching the tele the other day and a commercial came on (Honda) with the Aaah section of “The Only Living Boy in New York” by Simon and Garfunkel.

I had forgotten all about that song.

297 wee fury  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 3:45:48am

re: #295 researchok

I hope you make it across OK.

Don’t for get your papers.
//

LOL! In my absence — have much posting fun!

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:22:59am

Soon…

299 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:26:03am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The precipice of disaster…

300 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:33:47am

Morning all, Go Butler and all that.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:34:53am

Batmaaan!

302 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:39:01am

re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Highly accurate— does not exist.

However….

Image: dog3_batman.jpg

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:41:02am

re: #302 Obdicut

waiting for the Catwoman costume shot…

304 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 4:43:22am

re: #303 ralphieboy

I don’t have that. I do, however, have this to add:

Image: fuck-you-im-an-anteater.jpg

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:04:50am

re: #304 Obdicut

Honey Badger don’t care.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:15:23am

I have to go to work.

Work is stoopid.

307 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:16:56am

I also. Stew-pidd

308 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:17:40am

The new Firefox sucks. I can’t get it to go back a page. I’d post a Slate story about how badly their writer hates it (Can’t edit text) but I can’t go back to get the link. Pissing me off!

309 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:20:57am

Brazilian plastic surgeon says operated on Gadhafi

SAO PAULO – It was well past midnight when the Brazilian surgeon says he was escorted deep inside a bunker in the Libyan capital.

His assignment: to shave years off Moammar Gadhafi’s appearance by removing fat from his belly and injecting it into his wrinkled face. The Libyan leader also got hair plugs.

“He told me that he had been in power for 25 years at that time, and that he did not want the young people of his nation to see him as an old man,” Dr. Liacyr Ribeiro recalled. “I recommended a facelift, but he refused.”

The secretive four-hour procedure in 1995 was done, at Gadhafi’s insistence, with local anesthesia because he wanted to remain alert. Midway through, the Libyan leader stopped to have a hamburger.

Gadhafi was worried a facelift would be too noticeable, so he opted for the less radical procedure, the plastic surgeon told The Associated Press.

“I warned Gadhafi that the effects of the operation I performed would last for about five years, that it had an expiration date after which the skin would sag and the wrinkles would reappear,” Ribeiro said.

“He said he would call me if he needed me to come back,” and about five years ago there was such a request, but Ribeiro had a family obligation. “They never called me again,” he said.

At the time of the surgery, Gadhafi was 53, but Ribeiro said he looked at least 10 years older. A photo taken at the time shows the smiling doctor posing next to the Libyan leader, who wore a white suit, floral shirt and had pronounced wrinkles crisscrossing his face and neck.

After the procedure, “he looked like a 45-year-old man,” the doctor said.

Ribeiro insists he is speaking out now only to provide insight into a man about whom little is known, and certainly not to boast.

310 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:27:09am

re: #309 NJDhockeyfan

I already think most plastic surgeons are greedy assholes, but a plastic surgeon taking on the job of making a dictator look good? What a putz.

311 Ericus58  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:29:29am

re: #221 darthstar

My dad actually called me and told me to buy several boxes of ammunition for my .44-40 (which I leave locked up at his house) because I’d have to show my ID for every bullet I bought going forward. I bought none. I don’t have need of a gun right now, and my wife’s not a big fan of them. So I’m okay not keeping them around the house for the time being.

I’m sorry - I’ve misplaced your address… could you give that to me again?
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312 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:31:45am

Effects of reaching 60 years of age or older

1. Kidnappers are not very interested in you.
2. In a hostage situation, you are likely to be released first.
3. No one expects you to run — anywhere.
4. People call at 9 PM (or 9 AM) and ask, ‘Did I wake you?’
5. People no longer view you as a hypochondriac.
6. There is nothing left to learn the hard way.
7. Things you buy now won’t wear out.
8. You can eat supper at 4 PM.
9. You can live without sex but not your glasses.
10. You get into heated arguments about pension plans.
11. You no longer think of speed limits as a challenge.
12. You quit trying to hold your stomach in no matter who walks into the room.
13. You sing along with elevator music.
14. Your eyes won’t get much worse.
15. Your investment in health insurance is finally beginning to pay off.
16. Your joints are more accurate meteorologists than the national weather service.
17. Your secrets are safe with your friends because they can’t remember them either.
18. Your supply of brain cells is finally down to a manageable size.
19. You can’t remember who sent you this list.

313 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:48:39am

I don’t know how I missed this but my favorite writer is moving to HuffPo:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

[Link: www.mediaite.com…]


Now, HuffPost has announced six addition to its reporting team, including Reason’s Radley Balko, a libertarian, as its new criminal justice reporter. Balko has previously offered commentary and analysis on Fox News and elsewhere in addition to running his own blog, The Agitator.

Now maybe some of you commies will start reading his stuff//

314 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 5:57:01am

Willie Nelson catches a break:

For a song, Willie’s pot case will be resolved
[Link: bigbendnow.com…]


SIERRA BLANCA – The Hudspeth County Attorney is ready to make a plea deal with the Red Headed Stranger.

“I’m gonna let him plead, pay a small fine and he’s gotta sing “Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain” with his guitar right there in the courtroom,” County Attorney Kit Bramblett said this week. “You bet your ass I ain’t gonna be mean to Willie Nelson.”

Nelson was arrested November 26 after a Border Patrol agent smelled pot wafting from Nelson’s tour bus at the Sierra Blanca checkpoint. A little more than six ounces was found on the bus. Shotgun Willie was arraigned and on the road again after paying a $2,500 bond.

315 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:02:41am

re: #314 RogueOne

Willie Nelson catches a break:

For a song, Willie’s pot case will be resolved
[Link: bigbendnow.com…]

Once again, a prime example of the elitist getting breaks. If this were you or myself, the only song we would be singing is “I’m Working on a Chain Gang” on some hot a sweaty road in the backwoods of South Carolina… with a haltered top woman spreading water and soap bubbles on the hood of an old Chevy, while she slops herself soaking wet… while boss man looks on, through his mirror-silvered sunglasses, waiting for the first opportunity to shoot our asses dead.

That’s the problem with the law, it’s not fair.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:11:30am

Uh oh…

Japan’s leader calls situation ‘grave’ at nuclear plant where dangerous breach suspected

TOKYO — A suspected breach in the core of a reactor at the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant could mean more serious radioactive contamination, Japanese officials revealed Friday, as the prime minister called the country’s ongoing fight to stabalize the plant “very grave and serious.”

A somber Prime Minister Naoto Kan sounded a pessimistic note at a briefing hours after nuclear safety officials announced what could be a major setback in the urgent mission to stop the plant from leaking radiation, two weeks after a devastating earthquake and tsunami disabled it.

“The situation today at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant is still very grave and serious. We must remain vigilant,” Kan said. “We are not in a position where we can be optimistic. We must treat every development with the utmost care.”

The uncertain situation halted work at the nuclear complex, where dozens had been trying feverishly to stop the overheated plant from leaking dangerous radiation. The plant has leaked some low levels of radiation, but a breach could mean a much larger release of contaminants.

Suspicions of a possible breach were raised when two workers waded into water 10,000 times more radioactive than is typical and suffered skin burns, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.

317 treasured people  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:12:37am

Bomb blast victim holds no grudge.“We’re not like them,” he says.

318 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:13:14am

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

IN willies case it’s a double edged sword. His bus gets pulled over because cops know his weed history.


The 6.24 ounces that was found when Willie was arrested is above the amount Bramblett can handle in his jurisdiction. Well, no problem.

“Between me and the sheriff, we threw out enough of it or smoked enough so that there’s only three ounces, which is within my jurisdiction,” Bramblett said.

Actually, he explained, once you take the dope out of its packaging, the weight drops and that’s how Willie landed in the county attorney’s case load. Usually, those small personal use cases come from people traveling across the country on the interstate – they’re on their way someplace. If it’s a misdemeanor amount, like Nelson’s, Bramblett commonly allows them to plead and pay a fine and court costs through the mail. When the singer rolled through, County Judge Becky Dean Walker issued a mandate to Bramblett: “She told me you don’t dare let Willie Nelson plead through the mail,” the attorney recounted.

Non-hanging prosecutors with a sense of humor are hard to find, especially in texas. Besides, he was treated slightly more harshly since he has to travel back there and show up in person.

319 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:14:09am

re: #317 treasured people

You misquoted him. He actually said:

“We are a chosen people. Not like them,”

320 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:14:18am

re: #318 RogueOne

IN willies case it’s a double edged sword. His bus gets pulled over because cops know his weed history.

Non-hanging prosecutors with a sense of humor are hard to find, especially in texas. Besides, he was treated slightly more harshly since he has to travel back there and show up in person.

Evidently finding your sense of humor is hard, since my comment was obviously satire.

321 treasured people  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:15:15am

re: #319 Obdicut

Thank you.

322 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:17:47am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

It may have been but your underlying point “That’s the problem with the law, it’s not fair” is dead-on. Money and fame did play a role in this, he was pulled over because he’s famous and he got off for the same reason. If you don’t have money to get a decent lawyer…you’re screwed in this country.

323 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:21:30am

This is a church program I can get behind!

Pole Dancing For Jesus
[Link: www.mediaite.com…]


In Houston, the Fox television station asks an important question: “how on Earth can you mix pole dancing with Jesus.” Indeed. And since this is local news, we get the treat of a full investigation of the Texas phenomenon of pole dancing for Jesus, which takes church-going girls, puts them in stripper heels (“the shoes are good for the glutes”) and puts them on the pole. You know, for fitness. And God.

god bless Texas.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:25:06am

Report: Hamas calls on UN to halt Israel’s strikes on Gaza

Al-Quds Al-Arabi reports that Hamas spokesman also called on Arab League to intervene to stop ‘Israeli aggression’ and stop Israel from ‘exploiting regional instability to carry out massacres against Palestinians.’

Fat chance assholes. Stop murdering Israelis & shooting rockets into Israel and maybe they won’t respond back.

325 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:27:10am

Israel ready to act with “full force” to stop missiles: Netanyahu

Jerusalem - Israel is ready to act with its full force to stop missile attacks launched from the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday.

‘No country could accept such attacks,’ Netanyahu told reporters as he met US Defence Secretary Robert Gates in the coastal town of Caesaria.

Netanyahu made the remarks at the end of the week in which Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip fired around 85 projectiles, including Russian Grad missiles, at Israel, hitting towns and villages close to the salient, but also the cities of Beersheba and Ashdod, located 45 and 25 kilometres respectively from the enclave.

326 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:29:17am

re: #322 RogueOne

It may have been but your underlying point “That’s the problem with the law, it’s not fair” is dead-on. Money and fame did play a role in this, he was pulled over because he’s famous and he got off for the same reason. If you don’t have money to get a decent lawyer…you’re screwed in this country.

Oh come on… how many times does a movie star or some other personality get kit-glove treatment by the law? Never happens.

327 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:29:32am

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

Report: Hamas calls on UN to halt Israel’s strikes on Gaza

Fat chance assholes. Stop murdering Israelis & shooting rockets into Israel and maybe they won’t respond back.

When has UN called on Hamas to abide by the Geneva Conventions in their treatment of Gilad Shalit?

328 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:31:14am

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on… how many times does a movie star or some other personality get kit-glove treatment by the law? Never happens.

One of my “heroes” Vince Neil:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

329 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:32:12am

Good morning fellow weirdos.

330 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:33:40am

re: #327 Alouette

When has UN called on Hamas to abide by the Geneva Conventions in their treatment of Gilad Shalit?

They haven’t had time. They’ve been too busy condemning Israel on just about anything they can dream up.

331 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:38:51am

Saw you stretched out in room Ten O Nine
With a smile on your face and a tear right in your eye.
Oh, couldn’t see to get a line on you, my sweet honey lover

332 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:41:24am

Syria protests spread, arrests in capital

Protests spread in Syria on Friday from their southern epicentre of Daraa to Damascus and a town south of the capital, where authorities moved to arrest at least five demonstrators.

Hundreds of people marched from Omayyed mosque in the centre of Damascus’ Old City along Souk Al-Hamadiyeh street chanting: “Daraa is Syria” and “We will sacrifice ourselves for Syria.”

At least five people were taken away by police in plain clothes, according to an AFP correspondent.

Supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad chanted back: “God, Syria and Bashar, that’s all.”

In Daeel, south of Damascus and about 30 kilometres (18.5 miles) north of Daraa, 300 people marched preceded by motorcycles, shouting: “Daeel and Daraa will not let themselves be humiliated.”

Mourners gathered for the funeral of two people killed during clashes with security forces in Daraa, an agricultural city about 120 kilometres south of Damascus, where a security clampdown left 100 dead according to human rights groups.

“With our blood and souls, we sacrifice ourselves for you martyr, ” said one resident contacted by telephone.

333 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:41:50am

Berber jewelry jangling down the street,
making bloodshot eyes at every woman that you meet.
could not seem to get a high on you, my sweet honey love.

334 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:43:26am

re: #333 albusteve

Berber jewelry jangling down the street,
making bloodshot eyes at every woman that you meet.
could not seem to get a high on you, my sweet honey love.

Burma Shave!

335 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:44:16am

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

Burma Shave!

fine times

336 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:45:34am

Downtown New York City at a stand still after pedestrian mishap on Broadway and 48th street…

Image: 63260919_e3b77f393e_o.jpg

337 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:45:38am

may the good Lord shine a light on you,
make every song your favorite tune.
may the good Lord shine a light on you,
warm like the evening sun.

338 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:46:55am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Downtown New York City at a stand still after pedestrian mishap on Broadway and 48th street…

Image: 63260919_e3b77f393e_o.jpg

Creepy

339 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:47:13am

The Red Cross, Hamas, and Gilad Shalit

CBN News is reporting that the Red Cross is continuing to shelter three Hamas officials suspected in the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit five years ago. It sounds like the terrorists have it pretty good. In addition to receiving visits from foreign dignitaries, Jimmy Carter has dropped by, and the Hamas members have been free to hold press conferences from their safe-house at the Red Cross’s East Jerusalem office. Legions of Hamas supporters reportedly congregate outside the office on Fridays to hold candlelight vigils, as well.

“Under international humanitarian law, East Jerusalem is considered occupied territory,” Red Cross spokesperson Cecilia Goin explained to CBN News. “So the Palestinians living in East Jerusalem are considered protected people.”

While the Red Cross has welcomed the Hamas officials with open arms (the three of them have reportedly set up a tent at the office), Red Cross medical personnel continue to be denied access to tend to Shalit while he’s in captivity, in violation of international law.

The Red Cross’s cushy treatment of these Hamas officials is bad enough on its own. But it also highlights the fact that the Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations haven’t been nearly as forceful as they should be in demanding the release of Shalit. Nearly five years after his capture, it’s a travesty that he hasn’t even been able to receive medical attention, while three of his suspected kidnappers receive visits from former U.S. presidents and diplomats.

340 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:51:09am

boots on the ground…

Sergeant Dipprasad Pun got through more than 400 rounds of ammunition and an assortment of grenades during his extraordinary one-man stand on the roof of an isolated sentry-post.
At one point, when his gun could no longer fire, he resorted to battering one Taliban fighter, who was trying to scale the wall to attack him, over the head with the tripod of his machine gun.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

341 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:51:50am

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Broadway and 48th is Downtown? /you’ve been away from NYC for far too long…

How’s life on the mountain these days?

342 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:56:22am

re: #341 lawhawk

Broadway and 48th is Downtown? /you’ve been away from NYC for far too long…

How’s life on the mountain these days?

Dangerous… we’ve had a dry winter along the front range. Up here, at 8000-9000 feet, we’ve seen maybe a total of 3-4 feet of snow all winter, downhill, much less. We’ve already had 20 wildfires in March, three of them major burners.

If we don’t have a wetter spring, the wildfire season is going to be downright dangerous and destructive.

March is usually the snowiest month of the year, but we’ve only had one major snow fall, about 6 inches (I’m talking about my area, further up hill it’s been fine).

Night temperatures still going down to the 20’s (f). Days vary between 40-60’s (f).

Correction : MIDTOWN.

343 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 6:59:49am

Video showing the stricken reactor complex at Fukushima taken yesterday, weather was snowy, and steam was clearly being vented from some of the structures:

Youtube Video

Video showing the Fukushima reactor complex as the tsunami roared ashore:

Youtube Video
344 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:01:07am

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

Those drought conditions aren’t going to be good for everything downslope - and downstream - for the Colorado and other rivers running in the region. That’s not a good sign for the upcoming year to say the least.

345 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:05:11am

re: #344 lawhawk

Those drought conditions aren’t going to be good for everything downslope - and downstream - for the Colorado and other rivers running in the region. That’s not a good sign for the upcoming year to say the least.

Not necessarily… the drier conditions have been on the front range, as I mentioned above, west of the divide, there has been a good amount of snow and moisture. I’m not sure if it is more than normal or under normal, but it’s not a drought, not on the other side of the divide.

And the Platte, which helps supply water east and north or the divide, start much higher up, closer to the divide, so it too will not suffer as much for water as we have around the front range.

It’s a mixed bag, basically, west of the divide things are not too bad, east of the divide, there’s problems.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:06:00am

re: #340 albusteve

boots on the ground…

ONSLOW COUNTY — We’ve seen Camp Lejuene Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan and now they are joining the fight against Libya.

About 2,200 Marines from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit will take part in support operations based aboard USS Kearsarge at sea. Those support operations have thus far included air strikes and one rescue operation. The overall mission is to help end the violence directed at the Libyan people.

The Pentagon is sending an additional 400 Marines to join the amphibious assault ship Kearsarge near North Africa in response to the unrest in Libya, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates ordered the Kearsarge and the amphibious transport dock Ponce to move from the U.S. Central Command region into the Mediterranean Sea to provide the capability for evacuation or humanitarian aid.

“We are obviously looking at a lot of options and contingencies,” Gates said Tuesday at a Pentagon briefing.

347 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:13:32am

re: #345 Walter L. Newton

You’re right. The US Drought Monitor is showing bad things for the Eastern side of CO, but the West looks okay for now…

348 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:15:17am

Barack Obama locked out of the White House

President Barack Obama was filmed being confronted by a locked door when he tried to enter the Oval Office from a terrace at the White House as he returned early from a trip to Latin America.

With a nonchalant stroll and a whistle, the US president walked past another set of locked French doors before he was finally able to gain access to his seat of power.

White House staff members were reportedly not informed before his arrival on Wednesday evening that the president was returning to work.

350 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:19:47am

Assistance for the elderly and disabled, in their homes and at senior centers, will also be reduced. State-subsidized child care for 11- and 12-year-olds will be eliminated.

CA democrats hate children and seniors

[Link: www.latimes.com…]

351 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:21:42am

re: #347 lawhawk

You’re right. The US Drought Monitor is showing bad things for the Eastern side of CO, but the West looks okay for now…

But, other than the weather, personally, things are comfortable in my life. I’ve been at the supermarket almost a year now (March 31st), got my first 1000 hours, so now they give me benefits, on the job downside, the store hasn’t hired a new cashier since me, a year ago, and they keep giving the front end work force more duties, spreading them around doing other tasks besides cashiering, and bottom line, the customer is effected most.

So, it’s bittersweet, job is paying my part of the bills, but I get a little annoyed at the way retail is managed. Like a lot of “kids” I did a little retail when I first started working, but this is the first time it’s a “career.” I’ve actually had more time and experience this time to form an opinion, and my opinion, retail is a mixed bag. When I first started there, I wondered how so many employees could simply walk in, do their job and not give a shit about the company other than doing what they are required.

After a year there, I can see how the top down boot-in-face management style breeds their own problems, it’s a silly, unproductive circle, but it’s the model, what can I do?

Over all, a new and interesting part of my life. I usually find something instructive and profitable no matter what the situation.

P.S. I like the other employees (well, most of them)… good people, mostly hard workers.

352 Lateralis  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:25:28am

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

Snow pack data: [Link: www.wrds.uwyo.edu…]

353 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:26:06am

Finally… some organized group tries to fill the void in Eygptian politics… about time…

CAIRO — In post-revolutionary Egypt, where hope and confusion
collide in the daily struggle to build a new nation, religion has emerged as a powerful political force, following an uprising that was based on secular ideals. The Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group once banned by the state, is at the forefront, transformed into a tacit partner with the military government that many fear will thwart fundamental changes.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

No one expected this… did they?

354 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:28:34am

Ed Morrisey is fretting that Obama hasn’t been nice enough to the Saudi royal family….

If Obama loses the Saudis, it will create economic, diplomatic, and military chaos that will take years to correct.
355 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:28:42am

re: #349 Killgore Trout

CNN’s Nic Robertson explains why a Libyan mass burial may not be what it seems. (video)

What a great report. Maybe CNN finally learned something from their horrible Iraq coverage.

356 treasured people  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:29:02am

Go figure.

357 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:29:28am

re: #350 albusteve

Assistance for the elderly and disabled, in their homes and at senior centers, will also be reduced. State-subsidized child care for 11- and 12-year-olds will be eliminated.

CA democrats hate children and seniors

[Link: www.latimes.com…]

Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York

Rep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday he was looking into how a health law waiver might work for New York City.

Anthony Weiner hates ObamaCare™ .

358 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:30:11am

Surprise!

“We are all worried,” said Amr Koura, 55, a television producer, reflecting the opinions of the secular minority. “The young people have no control of the revolution anymore. It was evident in the last few weeks when you saw a lot of bearded people taking charge. The youth are gone.”

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And… this will be how the “voids” will be filled in all the other middle eastern counties who are presently experiencing “freedom.” This is what happens when you have a desire and no plan… the bad guys sit off to the side, wait while you sacrifice your sweat and blood, and then, organized, they step in to take over.

359 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:30:49am

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

Surprise!

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And… this will be how the “voids” will be filled in all the other middle eastern counties who are presently experiencing “freedom.” This is what happens when you have a desire and no plan… the bad guys sit off to the side, wait while you sacrifice your sweat and blood, and then, organized, they step in to take over.

Who could have seen this coming?

/

360 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:31:12am

re: #349 Killgore Trout

Why would they hold a funeral service with a imam speaking in English; that alone would seem to be done for the CNN camera crew there? At least one was an empty coffin?

Where were the families of those who were being laid to rest? And no one there was apparently related to those buried?

Lots of unanswered questions, but it all points to being nothing more than a propaganda effort by Khadafi loyalists hoping to sway intl opinion (after all, why have an imam speak in English to a crowd of Libyans?).

361 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:32:13am

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

Finally… some organized group tries to fill the void in Eygptian politics… about time…

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

No one expected this… did they?

Yeah, that’s troubling.

362 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:32:28am

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

Surprise!

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And… this will be how the “voids” will be filled in all the other middle eastern counties who are presently experiencing “freedom.” This is what happens when you have a desire and no plan… the bad guys sit off to the side, wait while you sacrifice your sweat and blood, and then, organized, they step in to take over.

I’m shocked!

363 treasured people  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:33:04am

re: #359 Alouette

In Syria, protesters are demanding conquest of the Golan Heights.

And, by the way, Aouette, Shabbat Shalom from Yerushalayim.

364 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:34:46am

re: #359 Alouette

Who could have seen this coming?

/

Well, obviously a lot of people, since all I’ve seen over and over is folks waving the victory flags about all the “freedom” movements happening in the middle east. Freedom fine, “can’t we all just get along,” no… ideology is great during times of peace, worthless in times of conflict.

I want those people to have their freedoms too. But you don’t just hit the street, scare the shit out of some morally weak dictators (who are most concerned with their money, comforts and lives), and have no coalition or organized political base to fill the void… not when there are well organized vultures waiting in the wings.

365 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:35:44am

re: #363 treasured people

In Syria, protesters are demanding conquest of the Golan Heights.

And, by the way, Aouette, Shabbat Shalom from Yerushalayim.

What time is it in Yerushalayim? Hurry, get off the internet young man :)

366 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:38:11am

LOL…camper picture of the day!

367 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:38:44am

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Weiner has been one of the most outspoken supporters of the HCR package, but Medicaid costs are passed directly on to NYC under NYS law. That’s hitting NYC area health care providers hard, so he’s looking for a way to achieve the results of HCR under a waiver exemption from the overall rules that provides the same kind of coverage.

GOPers point to the waivers as being a sign that HCR is not workable because millions of people (via thousands of businesses, and several states that have received such waivers) are no longer tied to the HCR rules.

Democrats counter that the waivers are a sign that the HCR is flexible to deal with unique situations facing different states and businesses.

The truth is somewhere in the middle - HCR is flexible, but it points out weaknesses in the law as it passed to deal with the situation on the ground in the states and localities (ie unintended consequences).

368 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:39:47am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

LOL…camper picture of the day!

Actually… I don’t find anything funny about those saying posted on that camper… do you find the racist remarks funny?

369 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:41:04am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

Actually… I don’t find anything funny about those saying posted on that camper… do you find the racist remarks funny?

I laugh at idiot all the time. This one takes the cake.

370 iceweasel  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:41:35am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

LOL…camper picture of the day!

I like the one that refers to ‘The Right to Bare Arms Under the Government”, but the ones mentioning Satan are good too.

371 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:41:38am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

From the upper right corner - the right to “bare arms against the government”

Bare arms? You mean this camper’s going to go have naked arms against the government? Or, is he demanding a right to go sleeveless when dealing with the government (and it’s not even summer yet!)

And that’s not even what the 2d Amendment says. /but you already knew that

372 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:42:11am

re: #367 lawhawk

Weiner has been one of the most outspoken supporters of the HCR package, but Medicaid costs are passed directly on to NYC under NYS law. That’s hitting NYC area health care providers hard, so he’s looking for a way to achieve the results of HCR under a waiver exemption from the overall rules that provides the same kind of coverage.

GOPers point to the waivers as being a sign that HCR is not workable because millions of people (via thousands of businesses, and several states that have received such waivers) are no longer tied to the HCR rules.

Democrats counter that the waivers are a sign that the HCR is flexible to deal with unique situations facing different states and businesses.

The truth is somewhere in the middle - HCR is flexible, but it points out weaknesses in the law as it passed to deal with the situation on the ground in the states and localities (ie unintended consequences).

“We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.” = unintended consequences.

373 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:42:40am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

LOL…camper picture of the day!


“The right to bare arms against the government”

Anti- long sleeved shirts?

374 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:42:46am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

I laugh at idiot all the time. This one takes the cake.

Fine… I don’t find this funny, I find it sickening… to each his own.

375 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:43:01am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

The problem, IMO, is the insistence some people have of believing that all political views are equal. They aren’t. I don’t see why it’s so difficult to say that the U.S. stands with those people who believe in individual freedoms and then following up with whatever moral/financial/political support we can supply. Not only can we pick sides, we should.

376 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:43:58am

re: #373 Jadespring

“The right to bare arms against the government”

Anti- long sleeved shirts?

Didn’t Lincoln ban Sleevery?

377 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:44:33am

re: #370 iceweasel

I like the one that refers to ‘The Right to Bare Arms Under the Government”, but the ones mentioning Satan are good too.

and the UFO’s are a nice twist.

378 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:45:13am

re: #377 RogueOne

and the UFO’s are a nice twist.

UFOS are the angels of the Bible!

379 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:45:32am

re: #363 treasured people

In Syria, protesters are demanding conquest of the Golan Heights.

And, by the way, Aouette, Shabbat Shalom from Yerushalayim.

What time is Kabbalat Shabbat? You are 6 hours ahead of the U.S., nachon?

380 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:46:18am

re: #375 RogueOne

The problem, IMO, is the insistence some people have of believing that all political views are equal. They aren’t. I don’t see why it’s so difficult to say that the U.S. stands with those people who believe in individual freedoms and then following up with whatever moral/financial/political support we can supply. Not only can we pick sides, we should.

Well… we didn’t.

Next up… after these “freedom” movements shake out, and you have the void filled with a new crew of self-interested opportunist… the Sunni/Shiite hated, which has been so delicately held in check by these past dictators, will have a new and fresh playing field in which to spread their wings in.

Wait for that.

381 allegro  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:47:11am

Wow. Obama has spent ten million dollars on boose and steaks. I thought he was more of an arugula and dijon mustard kinda guy.

382 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:48:00am

re: #381 allegro

Wow. Obama has spent ten million dollars on boose and steaks. I thought he was more of an arugula and dijon mustard kinda guy.

Now if he would only share some of the wealth with NASCAR…

383 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:48:16am

re: #377 RogueOne

and the UFO’s are a nice twist.

Put them with Washington and you get:
UFO’S WANT WASH DC (SATAN) ELIMINATED
AND REPLACED BY GOD

Which party is God a part of and how is he/she doing in the latest polls?

384 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:49:13am

The smaller one is funny too.

Obama has boose party’s every other day (average) at the white house. He gives everyone $150 steaks (imported). So far he has spent 10 million dollors of your tax money on boose and steaks.

386 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:51:55am

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Now if he would only share some of the wealth with NASCAR…

…or his waffles at least. It is International Waffle Day after all.

387 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:52:09am

re: #385 GNIDAthe#seCond

Reports of security forces opening fire on protesters in Syria

More here…

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — A resident tells The Associated Press that Syrian troops have opened fire on protesters in the restive southern city of Daraa.

The resident, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, says heavy gunfire can be heard in the city center and witnesses have reported several casualties.

He told AP that the shooting started after protesters set fire to a bronze statue of late President Hafez Assad, President Bashar’s Assad’s father.

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

388 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:52:11am

re: #385 GNIDAthe#seCond

Pimp your blog in the Pages. That’s what they are there for.

389 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:53:27am

re: #388 Alouette

Pimp your blog in the Pages. That’s what they are there for.

Whoa… don’t mess with Mama Alouette :)

390 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:56:14am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

Whoa… don’t mess with Mama Alouette :)

I wonder whose sock that is. I thought most of the “Class of 2004” had been cleaned out. Except for you and me.

391 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:56:29am

Missile upgrade stokes intifada fears


AMID the turmoil in the Middle East, one aspect has largely been ignored: the rising tensions on Israel’s border with Gaza.

Another war between Israel and Gaza is looming.

“It is only a question of time, I’m sorry to say, until we clash with Hamas again and we teach them once again the rules of engagement,” Israel’s Home Front Minister Matan Vilnai said this week.

“Our wisdom is to push it off as long as possible — I have no question it’s going to happen.”

After the first bomb in seven years at a bus station in Jerusalem, which killed a British tourist and injured 39 others, Israelis are wondering whether this is the beginning of a new intifada.

And, unnoticed through the Middle East maelstrom, another development is occurring: the upgrading of the rockets being fired from Gaza.

For several years the rockets have been Qassams, which are made in Gaza with scrap metal. They have caused civilian fatalities and wrought havoc in towns such as Sderot, but with a range of 15km they have not been able to reach larger towns such as Beersheba and Ashdod.

In recent days, however, more of the rockets have been Grads, which are professionally made, with a range of 45km.

The Grads are imported, smuggled into Gaza through tunnels.

They come mainly from China — as the ship of weapons intercepted last week showed — and Russia, via Iran.

392 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:57:10am

re: #390 Alouette

I wonder whose sock that is. I thought most of the “Class of 2004” had been cleaned out. Except for you and me.

Clean socks??

393 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:57:56am

re: #390 Alouette

I wonder whose sock that is. I thought most of the “Class of 2004” had been cleaned out. Except for you and me.

Beats me…

394 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 7:59:40am

re: #392 sattv4u2

Clean socks??

One is missing! Where is the other one?

395 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:00:52am

Work time. Later friends.

396 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:02:12am

re: #394 NJDhockeyfan

One is missing! Where is the other one?

Doesn’t matter

They’re Steves

he only need the one!!


(yes,, I did !!)

398 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:09:49am

re: #390 Alouette

Ahem

399 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:10:43am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

After meetings with Peres, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Netahyahu, Gates was scheduled to meet with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Friday.

Would love to be a fly on the wall for that one!

“So, P.M. Fayyad, what about the missile launches into Israel”

“Well, although we of course deny it and know nothing of it, if it wasn’t for Israeli aggression in the area,,,,”

400 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:13:50am

re: #398 lawhawk

Ahem

And you and Killgore.

401 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:18:22am

The guy who pranked Scott Walker, claiming to be one of the Kochs, may or may not be running for congress.

Youtube Video
402 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:22:57am

re: #400 Alouette

And you and Killgore.

I had to check but I’m a little late, class of ‘05.

403 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:23:21am

re: #399 sattv4u2

After meetings with Peres, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Netahyahu, Gates was scheduled to meet with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Friday.

Would love to be a fly on the wall for that one!

“So, P.M. Fayyad, what about the missile launches into Israel”

“Well, although we of course deny it and know nothing of it, if it wasn’t for Israeli aggression in the area,,,”

The rockets are coming from Gaza, not from the PA.

404 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:23:40am

re: #402 Killgore Trout

I had to check but I’m a little late, class of ‘05.

It seems like you have been here from the beginning. :)

405 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:25:00am

re: #403 Alouette

The rockets are coming from Gaza, not from the PA.

With the full nudge nudge/ wink wink approval of the PA, I would wager

406 Slap  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:28:33am

re: #250 albusteve

raw blues, no sugary harmonies, and the guitar work is off the meter…Crosby was perfect…a 10 plus

Way late, but there is a version in the can that didn’t make it onto Deja Vu — it turned up in the CSN box set. Crosby’s vocal on the alternate take is utterly unhinged, gloriously over the top. (And that box also has a different, more drunken, yet incredibly amazing take of Stills’ “Black Queen” that’s an absolute killer….)

407 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:29:10am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

I hpoe they do.With everything going on in the M.E. right now, Israel should go in and pound Hamas once and for all.

408 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:30:19am

Yemen’s Saleh is looking for the exits, but not without first providing for immunity for him, his family, and close associates (particularly those who are in the counterterror operations division).

And the protesters are calling this a day of departure.

409 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:31:04am

Bear is an O-fourer I believe

410 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:33:15am

re: #406 Slap

Way late, but there is a version in the can that didn’t make it onto Deja Vu — it turned up in the CSN box set. Crosby’s vocal on the alternate take is utterly unhinged, gloriously over the top. (And that box also has a different, more drunken, yet incredibly amazing take of Stills’ “Black Queen” that’s an absolute killer…)

Stills seemed to sort of fade away…an extremely accomplished player and a fine voice back in the day…underrated…I saw them a couple of times and they were really terrific live

411 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:34:35am

re: #410 albusteve

Stills seemed to sort of fade away…an extremely accomplished player and a fine voice back in the day…underrated…I saw them a couple of times and they were really terrific live

Yeah ,, I find that performers are usually better when they are alive!

//

412 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:35:03am

re: #407 x-wing

I hpoe they do.With everything going on in the M.E. right now, Israel should go in and pound Hamas once and for all.

IMO there is no such thing as ‘once and for all’ in the ME, land of the 1000yr grudge

413 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:35:24am

re: #407 x-wing

I hpoe they do.With everything going on in the M.E. right now, Israel should go in and pound Hamas once and for all.

They will probably go into Gaza some time soon but it’s just not practical to eliminate Hamas. The leadership will flee to Syria or Egypt. The mid level operatives will all be cowering in hospitals. Even after a crushing military defeat Hamas is still supported by the Palestinian people and equipped by Iran. The process will repeat itself until the Palestinians decide to live in peace.

414 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:36:28am

re: #411 sattv4u2

Yeah ,, I find that performers are usually better when they are alive!

//

brick….
don’t you have a job somewhere that needs you?
one sock….wtf?…I’m insulted and my feelings are hurt now

415 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:37:18am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

The process will repeat itself until the Palestinians decide to live in peace.

Only one of two ways that will happen

1) Israel decides to fold up and cease to exist
2) never

416 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:38:08am

re: #414 albusteve

brick…
don’t you have a job somewhere that needs you?
one sock…wtf?…I’m insulted and my feelings are hurt now

When did you get feelings?

417 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:39:30am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

They will probably go into Gaza some time soon but it’s just not practical to eliminate Hamas. The leadership will flee to Syria or Egypt. The mid level operatives will all be cowering in hospitals. Even after a crushing military defeat Hamas is still supported by the Palestinian people and equipped by Iran. The process will repeat itself until the Palestinians decide to live in peace.

as for fleeing, I think the IDF can pretty much seal up Gaza if they want, can’t they?….as for Hamas, I think the IDF should disarm the entire Strip and let them rot from within….without weapons there would be nothing for them to do

418 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:39:52am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

I see what you’re saying, and I should have expanded on my comment. The way the map looks over there, Israel is going to need more land. So what better place to start.

419 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:40:13am

re: #416 sattv4u2

When did you get feelings?

a few months ago…used but in decent condition

420 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:41:14am

re: #415 sattv4u2

The process will repeat itself until the Palestinians decide to live in peace.

Only one of two ways that will happen

1) Israel decides to fold up and cease to exist
2) never

It’s not going to happen any time soon but the Palestinians will eventually get tired of living in poverty and misery. If this wave of democracy and freedom sweeping the Muslim world takes hold then Palestinians are going to look around and see all their fellow nations prospering and flourishing. They are going to want some of that happiness for themselves.

421 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:42:47am

re: #418 x-wing

I don’t think the Israelis are interested in annexing Gaza. They’d rather not deal with them at all.

422 Slap  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:45:04am

re: #410 albusteve

Stills seemed to sort of fade away…an extremely accomplished player and a fine voice back in the day…underrated…I saw them a couple of times and they were really terrific live

Yeah, that was sad. ALthough, the shots I’ve seen of him lately, he looks to have lost some weight, and his enthusiasm seems to be coming back. I still think of his first two solo albums as among my all-time favorites. It’s remarkable how he faded, ‘cause he was such a vibrant creative force for a while there. I got to see them on the tour following the CSN album, and they were truly great, better than I had hoped.

423 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:45:34am

seems not all Muslims are enamored with BO…here he’s getting stomped in the gutter….caution, graphic

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

424 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:45:49am

re: #417 albusteve

Easy to make those kinds of pronouncements. Sealing Gaza is already achieved in large part - there’s a blockade by sea, and the security fence limits movement in and out of Gaza except via established checkpoints/junctions like Rafah, Erez, etc.

Smuggling tunnels are a big problem between Gaza and Sinai, and Israel could possibly reoccupy the Philadelphi corridor to deal with that - but that would mean going back into Gaza in a permanent fashion.

As far as disarming Gaza is concerned - that simply is unfeasible. Too many arms are already in the territory and Hamas wouldn’t give them up without a bloody mess - lots of civilian casualties particularly because Hamas stores those weapons caches in close quarters with civilians, including schools, govt buildings, hospitals, etc.

And the moment Israel would commit ground forces, the usual hue and cry of genocide/ethnic cleansing would be heard - even if most, if not all, of the casualties are Hamas thugs. (See Jenin, where they claimed Israel engaged in genocide and wiped the city off the map, but aerial recon showed only a few buildings where the terrorists were holed up were damaged and the numbers killed were limited mostly to the Israeli soldiers who sought to root out the terrorists - and the terrorists themselves).

425 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:48:03am

re: #422 Slap

Yeah, that was sad. ALthough, the shots I’ve seen of him lately, he looks to have lost some weight, and his enthusiasm seems to be coming back. I still think of his first two solo albums as among my all-time favorites. It’s remarkable how he faded, ‘cause he was such a vibrant creative force for a while there. I got to see them on the tour following the CSN album, and they were truly great, better than I had hoped.

his first solo record was a classic really…considering all the groovy people that played on it, and Manassas was a pretty good band for a folksy type sound

426 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:50:19am

re: #420 Killgore Trout

It’s not going to happen any time soon but the Palestinians will eventually get tired of living in poverty and misery. If this wave of democracy and freedom sweeping the Muslim world takes hold then Palestinians are going to look around and see all their fellow nations prospering and flourishing. They are going to want some of that happiness for themselves.

Sorry, but they have seen their fellow nations prospering and flourishing for decades (in comparison to their lot). Their “fellow nations” have given them lip service of support but in reality use them as chattel against Israel. Their “fellow nations” NEED the Palis to be there so Israel can be blamed for the Palis lot in life

427 Slap  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:50:39am

re: #425 albusteve

An excellent interview with Nash turned up in today’s Chronicle:

Graham Nash Speaks

I had forgotten that Stills, Young and Furay were planning a Springfield reunion tour.

428 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:50:47am

BBIAB

429 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:51:36am

re: #424 lawhawk

the time to disarm Gaza was two years ago…they had a great head start…
as for my pronouncements, they lead toward the bold, if not impractical but I say it anyway

430 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:53:17am

re: #427 Slap

An excellent interview with Nash turned up in today’s Chronicle:

Graham Nash Speaks

I had forgotten that Stills, Young and Furay were planning a Springfield reunion tour.

“Chicago” my favorite song by him.

431 darthstar  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:53:53am

re: #423 albusteve

seems not all Muslims are enamored with BO…here he’s getting stomped in the gutter…caution, graphic

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Looks like a tea party.

432 Slap  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:56:28am

re: #430 Walter L. Newton

“Chicago” my favorite song by him.

Nice choice! “I Used to Be a King” is mine, and “King Midas in Reverse” a close second….

433 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:56:36am

re: #427 Slap

An excellent interview with Nash turned up in today’s Chronicle:

Graham Nash Speaks

I had forgotten that Stills, Young and Furay were planning a Springfield reunion tour.

oh boy, thanks

434 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 8:58:47am

re: #426 sattv4u2

The thing that gets me, is the Palis’ living like second class citizens in those fellow countries, don’t wise up and and ask those fellow countries, why they can’t help a brother out and give them a job.

435 lostlakehiker  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:04:23am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sure would be tragic if that got messed up and the whole entourage crashed into the Mediterranean.

Comments that advocate violence etc. etc.

Now maybe you’re off the hook directly since you’re not advocating that any of us in this forum do that. But think about it. Some day, and it would be a grand day, we may get feelers from Dear Leader or whoever. All these monsters should have a free ride to a retirement in obscene luxury. The example of those who have gone before, and gone unharmed, will then be instructive and encouraging.

Just go already.

The ancient Chinese scholar of war wrote that an enemy should be provided a golden bridge across which to flee. That’s not always appropriate, now that war has evolved to the point that retreat has its logic and is not the same thing as panic and rout. But leaving office as dictator is final.

What we want is that the choice should be clear: go in peace to a retirement full of houris and daiquiris, or fight it out and take your chances ending up like Mussolini or Ceausescu. We don’t want justice. Our first choice isn’t a hanging, though it may come to that if they refuse the carrot.

We just want them gone.

436 lostlakehiker  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:08:10am

re: #366 NJDhockeyfan

LOL…camper picture of the day!

The right to bare arms is inestimable to a free people, and formidable only to prudes.

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:09:17am

re: #314 RogueOne

Willie Nelson catches a break:

For a song, Willie’s pot case will be resolved
[Link: bigbendnow.com…]

That’s about where I am with this. Willie Nelson is elderly, will never stop smoking pot, and is Willie Nelson. My own proposed solution when he was first arrested, is that we could set up some sort of arrangement whereby, whenever Willie sees a cop, he has to give him fifty bucks, and that will just cover any further potential pot busts.

438 darthstar  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:09:46am

re: #436 lostlakehiker

The right to bare arms is inestimable to a free people, and formidable only to prudes.

These same people will take away a woman’s right to bare her ankles though.

439 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:11:52am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

with Egypt going into elections in Sept. and we all know which parties are best organized,I’d say Israel is weighing their options as to how much of a buffer zone they may want.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:12:17am

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

Barack Obama locked out of the White House

Well, at least he didn’t kick the doors and scream.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:13:36am

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

Finally… some organized group tries to fill the void in Eygptian politics… about time…

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

No one expected this… did they?

Absolutely not!

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:14:18am

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey is fretting that Obama hasn’t been nice enough to the Saudi royal family…

OK, so don’t bow, but don’t upset them either…

443 darthstar  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:14:33am

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, at least he didn’t kick the doors and scream.

It would have been better if he pulled out a credit card and got the door open.

Fuck the critics. He’s the President of the United States.

444 Slap  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:14:44am

re: #432 Slap

Nice choice! “I Used to Be a King” is mine, and “King Midas in Reverse” a close second…

Shoulda linked:

I Used to Be a King - Nash

Youtube Video

King Midas in Reverse - Hollies

Youtube Video

and while searching, found this for Steve:
These Days — Gregg Allman and Graham Nash, 1990

Youtube Video
445 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:16:03am

re: #363 treasured people

In Syria, protesters are demanding conquest of the Golan Heights.

And, by the way, Aouette, Shabbat Shalom from Yerushalayim.

Shabbat Shalom to you too.

Figures. All those years of the Assad Gang in power, and the biggest complaint is ‘we want the Golan’?

446 albusteve  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:17:05am

re: #444 Slap

Shoulda linked:

I Used to Be a King - Nash

[Video]

Nash/Allman?…a rare combo for sure

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:17:07am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

Well, obviously a lot of people, since all I’ve seen over and over is folks waving the victory flags about all the “freedom” movements happening in the middle east. Freedom fine, “can’t we all just get along,” no… ideology is great during times of peace, worthless in times of conflict.

I want those people to have their freedoms too. But you don’t just hit the street, scare the shit out of some morally weak dictators (who are most concerned with their money, comforts and lives), and have no coalition or organized political base to fill the void… not when there are well organized vultures waiting in the wings.

You’re right, of course. But I think for a lot of people, this was such an enchanting idea that it overrides their common sense. Nick Kristof is going through that right now.

448 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:18:03am

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

You’re right, of course. But I think for a lot of people, this was such an enchanting idea that it overrides their common sense. Nick Kristof is going through that right now.

Happened right here… over and over?

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:18:26am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

I laugh at idiot all the time. This one takes the cake.

Obama is a member of the Frankfort what?

450 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:19:30am

re: #403 Alouette

The rockets are coming from Gaza, not from the PA.

Correct. The PA and areas under its control only furnish incitement, glorification of Dalal Mughrabi and similar Gandhi-like promoters of human rights and the butcher of 3-month old Hadas Fogel and others of her family, but you are correct, they do not have and therefore do not fire Grad missiles.

451 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:19:32am

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist


You did forget the sarc tag? Did’nt you?

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:21:52am

re: #381 allegro

Wow. Obama has spent ten million dollars on boose and steaks. I thought he was more of an arugula and dijon mustard kinda guy.

Is that personal booze and steaks, or entertaining booze and steaks? (If it’s personal, man, that dude has got a metabolism on him.)

453 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:23:18am

re: #407 x-wing

I hpoe they do.With everything going on in the M.E. right now, Israel should go in and pound Hamas once and for all.

More likely, it will be as Matan Vilnai was quoted as saying. Israel will put it off as long as possible and only then make a serious effort to pound Hamas. When that happens, the Israelis will be pilloried in the Western media for whatever they do. Remember, the last time this happened, Israel received no credit for the fact that, at risk to its own soldiers and military objectives, it essentially called a daily siesta to facilitate the transfer of humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip.

454 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:24:39am

re: #401 negativ

The guy who pranked Scott Walker, claiming to be one of the Kochs, may or may not be running for congress.

[Video]

Let’s go with ‘not’. I yearn for a return to a simpler time, when prank calls were made by children, not politicians.

455 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:26:35am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the Israelis are interested in annexing Gaza. They’d rather not deal with them at all.

Already pulled out of there once.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:27:05am

re: #423 albusteve

seems not all Muslims are enamored with BO…here he’s getting stomped in the gutter…caution, graphic

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Has there ever been a U.S. president that all Muslims were enamoured of?

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:28:17am

re: #434 x-wing

The thing that gets me, is the Palis’ living like second class citizens in those fellow countries, don’t wise up and and ask those fellow countries, why they can’t help a brother out and give them a job.

Asking can get you relocated, shot, or mean your citizenship gets yanked.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:29:39am

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

Happened right here… over and over?

Yes, it did. Probably gonna happen again.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:30:11am

re: #451 x-wing

You did forget the sarc tag? Did’nt you?

Indeed I did. I sort of thought it went without saying.

460 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:31:56am

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

Indeed I did. I sort of thought it went without saying.

I thought you were serious… like me.

461 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:32:59am

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

I thought you were serious… like me.

You’re always serious. And I never am. It all balances out in the end.

462 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:33:00am

re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, it did. Probably gonna happen again.

Too bad… ideological fantasies are never a good substitute for reality.

463 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:33:03am

re: #434 x-wing

The thing that gets me, is the Palis’ living like second class citizens in those fellow countries, don’t wise up and and ask those fellow countries, why they can’t help a brother out and give them a job.

Can we not use the term “Pali” please?

It sounds unpleasantly like “Paki”, a once-common term of abuse in the UK for people with skin tones other than white. Thankfully not as common nowadays.

464 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:34:45am

re: #417 albusteve

as for fleeing, I think the IDF can pretty much seal up Gaza if they want, can’t they?

There are missiles dropping on southern Israel that demonstrate otherwise. There is too much corruption and sufficient support for Hamas among those who patrol the Egyptian side to hermetically seal the Gaza Strip against exfiltration by Hamas personnel.

465 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:35:57am

re: #453 sliv_the_eli

Well if they do’ I hope it’s not too late. That’s all I’m sayin

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:36:38am

re: #463 iossarian

Can we not use the term “Pali” please?

It sounds unpleasantly like “Paki”, a once-common term of abuse in the UK for people with skin tones other than white. Thankfully not as common nowadays.

I’ll second that.

467 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:40:36am

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Kilgore: There are two problems I see with your analysis. First, it is premised upon the typical Western notion that economics will drive everything. The history of the region suggests otherwise. Second, the reality is that those who live in the PA controlled areas of Judea and Samaria, have an economy that, frankly, is growing at a faster rate than Israel itself or most of the West. Even in Gaza, markers such as infant mortality are far better than they are in most of the Arab world, largely as a result of institutions that were put in place during the decades of Israeli control. The Palestinians’ antagonism against Israel is not a result of economics, but a combination of nationalist, religious and cultural factors, and has persisted despite it being clear that peace and cooperation with Israel would furnish much greater economic growth and prosperity.

468 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:42:59am

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

I did think that,but I have’nt been here for a while after the site went through it’s transition, and I’ve been lurking a while,but did’nt know where everybody stood. I noticed there are alot of familiar names missing from when I came here.

469 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:48:19am

re: #468 x-wing

I did think that,but I have’nt been here for a while after the site went through it’s transition, and I’ve been lurking a while,but did’nt know where everybody stood. I noticed there are alot of familiar names missing from when I came here.

They’re dead Jim.

470 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:50:35am

re: #469 Walter L. Newton


LOL. Hi Walter. I’m glad to see you did’nt lose your sense of humor.

471 shutdown  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:51:05am

Obdicut are you here?

472 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:52:45am

re: #470 x-wing

LOL. Hi Walter. I’m glad to see you did’nt lose your sense of humor.

NO… I still laugh at everyone.

473 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:54:56am

re: #472 Walter L. Newton

So you still doing the theater?

474 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:55:08am

re: #434 x-wing

The thing that gets me, is the Palis’ living like second class citizens in those fellow countries, don’t wise up and and ask those fellow countries, why they can’t help a brother out and give them a job.

When you are educated from the cradle into hatred of the “other” and taught that all which is denied you is directly caused by the “other”, and when that message is continually reinforced throughout your life by your school, your place of worship, your books, your newspapers and your government, it is no surprise that you do not notice your real anatgonist is the one who is feeding you those lies.

475 Kragar  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:55:37am

re: #472 Walter L. Newton

NO… I still laugh at everyone.

Always the most sensible course of action.

476 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:55:46am

re: #474 sliv_the_eli

When you are educated from the cradle into hatred of the “other” and taught that all which is denied you is directly caused by the “other”, and when that message is continually reinforced throughout your life by your school, your place of worship, your books, your newspapers and your government, it is no surprise that you do not notice your real anatgonist is the one who is feeding you those lies.

Wait, are we talking about Republicans now?

477 garhighway  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:55:59am

Afternoon, all.

I know economic news isn’t on the forefront these days, but nonetheless, here’s today’s Krugman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Sample:

It was not always thus. Two years ago, faced with soaring unemployment and large budget deficits — both the consequences of a severe financial crisis — most advanced-country leaders seemingly understood that the problems had to be tackled in sequence, with an immediate focus on creating jobs combined with a long-run strategy of deficit reduction.

Why not slash deficits immediately? Because tax increases and cuts in government spending would depress economies further, worsening unemployment. And cutting spending in a deeply depressed economy is largely self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: any savings achieved at the front end are partly offset by lower revenue, as the economy shrinks.

So jobs now, deficits later was and is the right strategy. Unfortunately, it’s a strategy that has been abandoned in the face of phantom risks and delusional hopes. On one side, we’re constantly told that if we don’t slash spending immediately we’ll end up just like Greece, unable to borrow except at exorbitant interest rates. On the other, we’re told not to worry about the impact of spending cuts on jobs because fiscal austerity will actually create jobs by raising confidence.

How’s that story working out so far?

478 shutdown  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:57:17am

re: #474 sliv_the_eli

When you are educated from the cradle into hatred of the “other” and taught that all which is denied you is directly caused by the “other”, and when that message is continually reinforced throughout your life by your school, your place of worship, your books, your newspapers and your government, it is no surprise that you do not notice your real anatgonist is the one who is feeding you those lies.

Also note that the projection of Palestinians living like “second class citizens” is in large part o a media creation, courtesy of Paliwood
Car sales race ahead as Palestinian economy purrs

479 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:58:34am

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

We have nothing to worry about, then, because this means that Egypt will definitely be governed by a moderate secular group. We know this, because we trust that our Director of National Intelligence, who heads up the formidable U.S. intelligence community, would only say it if it was dead-on accurate.

480 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 9:59:39am

re: #463 iossarian

Can we not use the term “Pali” please?

It sounds unpleasantly like “Paki”, a once-common term of abuse in the UK for people with skin tones other than white. Thankfully not as common nowadays.

I thought “Pali” was just short for “Palestinian” not a derogatory. So is it OK if we call them Syro-Jordyptians?

Although that’s kind of polysyllabic.
//

481 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:00:45am

re: #477 garhighway

Speaking of economic news:

G.E. made $14.2 billion in profits in 2010, and not only did it pay zero taxes, it claimed a tax credit of $3.2 billion.

Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore. G.E.’s giant tax department, led by a bow-tied former Treasury official named John Samuels, is often referred to as the world’s best tax law firm. Indeed, the company’s slogan “Imagination at Work” fits this department well. The team includes former officials not just from the Treasury, but also from the I.R.S. and virtually all the tax-writing committees in Congress.

While General Electric is one of the most skilled at reducing its tax burden, many other companies have become better at this as well. Although the top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world, companies have been increasingly using a maze of shelters, tax credits and subsidies to pay far less.

In a regulatory filing just a week before the Japanese disaster put a spotlight on the company’s nuclear reactor business, G.E. reported that its tax burden was 7.4 percent of its American profits, about a third of the average reported by other American multinationals. Even those figures are overstated, because they include taxes that will be paid only if the company brings its overseas profits back to the United States. With those profits still offshore, G.E. is effectively getting money back.

Such strategies, as well as changes in tax laws that encouraged some businesses and professionals to file as individuals, have pushed down the corporate share of the nation’s tax receipts — from 30 percent of all federal revenue in the mid-1950s to 6.6 percent in 2009.

482 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:01:59am

re: #480 Alouette

I thought “Pali” was just short for “Palestinian” not a derogatory. So is it OK if we call them Syro-Jordyptians?

Although that’s kind of polysyllabic.
//

I don’t see what’s so difficult about “Palestinian”.

483 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:02:42am

re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist

Asking can get you relocated, shot, or mean your citizenship gets yanked.

What citizenship. The Palestinian refugess (real and fictional) are denied citizenship in the Arab countries that have kept the so-called refugee issue alive for 60+ years in order to have a ready supply of cannon fodder for the next attempt at exterminating the Jews.

484 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:03:07am

re: #477 garhighway

So unemployment hasn’t moved in over two years, and this being the third year with a defecit of $1.5 trillion dollars. This is really working, aint it?

485 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:04:50am

re: #482 iossarian

I don’t see what’s so difficult about “Palestinian”.

Arabs can be Israelis. Can Jews be Palestinian?

(historical note: until 1948, all “Palestinians” were Jews.)

486 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:06:43am

re: #473 x-wing

So you still doing the theater?

None… short version… about two years ago, met a very wonderful woman, moved to the mountains about 40 miles west of Denver… held on to the theatre job for about a year… left the theatre job Dec. 2009… March 2010… started a part time job up here in the mountains as a cashier at a Kroger store… still do a little programming work from home for Kaiser… but no full time job in programming. Once in a while, some little theatre or school license one of my plays… also pick up some cash designing jewelry… sort of taking this like semi-retired… schedule at store varies, from overnights to days to evenings… this week was off 4 days in a row… work tonight.

In short… getting on and happy enough.

487 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:07:19am

re: #465 x-wing

Well if they do’ I hope it’s not too late. That’s all I’m sayin

I don’t disagree. But I am reminded of the answer I received when I asked an elderly cousin who lived in Haifa while Hizb’allah was raining rockets on that city if she was okay. Her response was that it has been that way for 60 years and will likely always be that way.

Israel will deal with it when it has to and, hopefully, has a well thought out plan for what it is going to do. It will do so knowing full well that it will only result in quieting the situation temporarily, but that it has to be done nevertheless.

488 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:09:39am

re: #480 Alouette


Thank you. I found it odd that I would be chided for saying that,when I call a person from Britain a Brit.

If someone could educate me in a persuasive manner what the difference is,I’d be happy to listen.

489 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:11:32am

re: #482 iossarian

So is it Afghani or Afghanistani? Seriously

490 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:12:25am

re: #487 sliv_the_eli

I don’t disagree. But I am reminded of the answer I received when I asked an elderly cousin who lived in Haifa while Hizb’allah was raining rockets on that city if she was okay. Her response was that it has been that way for 60 years and will likely always be that way.

Israel will deal with it when it has to and, hopefully, has a well thought out plan for what it is going to do. It will do so knowing full well that it will only result in quieting the situation temporarily, but that it has to be done nevertheless.

I find it unfortunate that the whole process sounds like doing yard maintenance. You want a plan so that it gets done efficiently and as less frequent as can be managed. Then you go out and trim the hedges knowing that they will grow back and you will need to do it again.

491 jdog29  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:12:46am

re: #488 x-wing

Thank you. I found it odd that I would be chided for saying that,when I call a person from Britain a Brit.

If someone could educate me in a persuasive manner what the difference is,I’d be happy to listen.

“What’s small taters for some folk is awful important to others.” Andy Griffith.

492 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:15:42am

re: #489 x-wing

So is it Afghani or Afghanistani? Seriously

All I can say is that it sounds unpleasant and jarring to me. Take it or leave it (though it appears I’m not alone in my sentiment).
re: #485 Alouette

Arabs can be Israelis. Can Jews be Palestinian?

(historical note: until 1948, all “Palestinians” were Jews.)

If you’re going to use that line of reasoning, then why use the abbreviation at all? If the word “Palestinian” doesn’t fit, why does the abbreviation work?

493 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:15:53am

re: #476 iossarian

Only if they have ruled the Arab- and Muslim-majority countries for the past three quarters of a century. Otherwise, no, I wasn’t speaking about the Republicans. Frankly, the tactic of creating or misdirecting one’s potential or actual constituency at the threat of an “other” in order to ascend or hold on to political power is not limited to modern political parties in the United States. It is a tried and true tactic that has been used for millenia throughout the inhabited portions of this planet. Unfortunately for the people who resurrected their sovereignty in Israel in the face of an invasion form their better armed neighbors, we have too often been identified as the “other” and still are by much of the world, including by too many on both the right and the left in the U.S.

494 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:17:37am

re: #493 sliv_the_eli

I agree with you. Demonizing the “other” is always bad, no matter who does it.

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:17:44am

re: #483 sliv_the_eli

What citizenship. The Palestinian refugess (real and fictional) are denied citizenship in the Arab countries that have kept the so-called refugee issue alive for 60+ years in order to have a ready supply of cannon fodder for the next attempt at exterminating the Jews.

Jordan has given citizenship papers to some, and taken them away when it was politically expedient.

496 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:18:12am

re: #478 imp_62

Also note that the projection of Palestinians living like “second class citizens” is in large part o a media creation, courtesy of Paliwood
Car sales race ahead as Palestinian economy purrs

Agreed, as I noted in post 467.

497 x-wing  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:18:43am

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

Glad to hear you got one of those good women, found one of them myslf two years ago (another reason I haven’t been around) . I envy you, I’d love to live out there in the Rockies, it’s so beautiful out there.

498 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:19:53am

re: #497 x-wing

Glad to hear you got one of those good women, found one of them myslf two years ago (another reason I haven’t been around) . I envy you, I’d love to live out there in the Rockies, it’s so beautiful out there.

You have an open invite to visit, anytime, my name is always blue, you can always find contact info under my name.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:21:45am

re: #489 x-wing

So is it Afghani or Afghanistani? Seriously

Afghani. I think the difference is that ‘Afghanistan’ is the ‘land of the Afghanis’, with the name of the people being given to the area, whereas ‘Pakistan’ is an invented country name. It means ‘land of the pure’. There is no ethnic group called Paks or Pakis. So, ‘Afghanis’, but ‘Pakistanis’.

An Afghan, I’m told, is either a dog or a knitted blanket.

Is it completely consistent? No, but then, why do we say ‘Englishman’ or ‘Dutchman’, but ‘Italian’ and ‘German’?

500 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:23:12am

re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist

Afghani. I think the difference is that ‘Afghanistan’ is the ‘land of the Afghanis’, with the name of the people being given to the area, whereas ‘Pakistan’ is an invented country name. It means ‘land of the pure’. There is no ethnic group called Paks or Pakis. So, ‘Afghanis’, but ‘Pakistanis’.

An Afghan, I’m told, is either a dog or a knitted blanket.

Is it completely consistent? No, but then, why do we say ‘Englishman’ or ‘Dutchman’, but ‘Italian’ and ‘German’?

Exactly.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:24:33am

re: #492 iossarian

All I can say is that it sounds unpleasant and jarring to me. Take it or leave it (though it appears I’m not alone in my sentiment).
re: #485 Alouette

If you’re going to use that line of reasoning, then why use the abbreviation at all? If the word “Palestinian” doesn’t fit, why does the abbreviation work?

I don’t like ‘Pali’ or ‘Jordyptian’, but part of the resistance to ‘Palestinian’ is that its use is a modern ethno-national creation that has been very successful in warping people’s understanding of the history of the region. My feeling is that there’s not much that can be done about that except educate people on the history, since there actually is, now, a group that can be identified as ‘Palestinians’, regardless of whether that designation would have made much sense to their grandparents.

502 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:29:41am

re: #490 oaktree

I find it unfortunate that the whole process sounds like doing yard maintenance. You want a plan so that it gets done efficiently and as less frequent as can be managed. Then you go out and trim the hedges knowing that they will grow back and you will need to do it again.

The Israelis and their supporters find it equally unfortunate, but, until the other side of the conflct is willing to accept and internalize the Jews having a right to their state and not merely recognize that the Jews actually currently have a state — which merely implies the continuing hope of a different scenario at a later date — there is no hope for anything different. Because the Palestinians have not shown that they have even begun to internalize the former — witness the reaction of not only Hamas, but also of the so-called “moderate” Fatah to UNRWA’s proposal to insert a lesson on the Holocaust into the 8th grade curriculum — and, at best, have merely accepted the latter, the necessary ground work for peace simply does not exist.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:31:22am

re: #490 oaktree

I find it unfortunate that the whole process sounds like doing yard maintenance. You want a plan so that it gets done efficiently and as less frequent as can be managed. Then you go out and trim the hedges knowing that they will grow back and you will need to do it again.

That’s about it, at this point, though. Someone once commented that all Ariel Sharon knew how to do was cut the grass, and all Arafat knew how to do was grow the grass.

OTOH, yard maintenance is better than total war.

504 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:50:57am

re: #494 iossarian

I agree with you. Demonizing the “other” is always bad, no matter who does it.

I am not clear if you are suggesting that Israelis demonize Palestinians in the way that the Palestinians demonize Jews. If you are, you have, with all due respect, been spending too much time reading AP, Reuters, AFP and the NY Times. The Palestinian Authority — I assume I don’t have to make this point with respect to Hamas, Jihad Islami and their ilk — even today continues to demonize Jews and idolize their killers through its media outlets, its educational materials and institutions, its state-controlled religious leaders and its cultural institutions. That kind of state-sanctioned demonization of Palestinians from the Israeli side simply does not exist. You don’t, for example, see Israel naming a town square in Sderot for Baruch Goldstein, or the Chief Rabbi of Israel giviing a sermon on a government-owned television station calling Palestinians apes and pigs. When the IDF accidentally killed four civilians the other day while returning fire at a Gazan mortar crew, Jews were not handing out sweets to celebrate the deaths. To be sure, there is some demonization of Palestinians on the far right, as there is at the extremes of any democratic society, but, to cite one example, the mainsttream right in Israel largely do not argue any more about whether there really is such a thing as a Palestinian. If there is an impression that demonization of Palestinians as the “other” is widespread on the Israeli side, that is only because the Western press trumpets every unfortunate instance of it in order to fit their meme of moral equivalence. It is like the “cycle of violence” meme that is trotted out every time Hamas fires ball-bearing-laden missiles at civilian targets and the IDF, in response, engages in a pin-point strike against Hamas militants. it is also why studies have shown that many people in the West have a completley warped idea of Israel’s actual size, both as an absolute matter and relative to the surrounding countries.

505 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:51:37am

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

Jordan has given citizenship papers to some, and taken them away when it was politically expedient.

Correct. It’s their version of the “token Jew”.

506 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 10:56:05am

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

Re: Ariel Sharon. Many people do not realize, or forget (oftentimes conveniently), that it was Ariel Sharon who removed the Jews from Taba to finalize the return of Sinai to Egypt, or that it was Ariel Sharon who, in an effort to stop merely moving the grass, ordered and implemented the de-Judaization of and Israel’s pullout from the Gaza Strip.

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 11:01:35am

re: #506 sliv_the_eli

Re: Ariel Sharon. Many people do not realize, or forget (oftentimes conveniently), that it was Ariel Sharon who removed the Jews from Taba to finalize the return of Sinai to Egypt, or that it was Ariel Sharon who, in an effort to stop merely moving the grass, ordered and implemented the de-Judaization of and Israel’s pullout from the Gaza Strip.

I recall. Kabbalist loonies were hexing him over Gaza.

508 iossarian  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 11:05:28am

re: #504 sliv_the_eli

I’m really not trying to make any kind of moral equivalence. The hate displayed towards Israel is clearly out of any proportion to anything going the other way.

That being said, there are people in this very thread essentially arguing that there is no such thing as a “Palestinian”, so I think you have to tread carefully on that argument.

509 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Mar 25, 2011 11:15:21am

re: #508 iossarian

Fair enough point. For myself, I try to keep it as objective as I can — despite my obvious views on the subject — so I can educate, inform and prompt an intelligent discourse, from which I, too, can learn.


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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