ABC News has a report on Michele and Marcus Bachmann’s family business — the religious counseling clinics that practice ineffective and potentially harmful “Pray Away the Gay” therapies.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:07:40am |
Actually, I shouldn't make light of this. It's not funny and amazingly destructive to people's lives and mental health. It should be a crime to use federal funds for this stuff.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:07:42am |
In other words, get married to a person of the opposite sex, have babies, buy a house in the suburbs, an SUV or a Van and LOOK like you are "normal".
It's not about how G-d made you or WHO you really are, it's about the "vision" of America.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:08:10am |
where does the money come from?...who pays for this voodoo?
| 5 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:09:27am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:09:51am |
re: #4 albusteve
who pays for this voodoo?
You do!
(or not you, as I recall you mentioning you don't pay taxes.)
I do!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:09:59am |
re: #3 ggt
In other words, get married to a person of the opposite sex, have babies, buy a house in the suburbs, an SUV or a Van and LOOK like you are "normal".
I've known guys who've done that. It often ends up with wrecked families, bitter and angry children, etc.
| 8 |
albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:10:38am |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
Actually, I shouldn't make light of this. It's not funny and amazingly destructive to people's lives and mental health. It should be a crime to use federal funds for this stuff.
federal money?....quite the scam
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:11:36am |
re: #6 Obdicut
You do!
(or not you, as I recall you mentioning you don't pay taxes.)
I do!
I have no income to tax
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:11:43am |
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:12:30am |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Medicare subsidized sermons.
I think it's Medicaid, actually. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, though.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:12:45am |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:12:53am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:15:09am |
re: #7 Killgore Trout
I've known guys who've done that. It often ends up with wrecked families, bitter and angry children, etc.
I know families where the dad honestly didn't realize he was gay-- self-delusion is a hell of a drug-- and they're still all screwed up. Can't imagine how terrible it is to actually know your sexuality but attempt to fight it.
Hell, I'm imagining trying to deny I'm heterosexual and pretend to be homosexual, and it's just-- I wouldn't last five minutes.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:15:13am |
Not to be a parrot but I highly recommend watching this documentary on these "therapies"
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:15:52am |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
Medicare subsidized sermons.
Apparently the Establishment Clause no longer counts as a law, but as a suggestion. *rolls eyes*
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:16:15am |
re: #15 Obdicut
I know families where the dad honestly didn't realize he was gay-- self-delusion is a hell of a drug-- and they're still all screwed up. Can't imagine how terrible it is to actually know your sexuality but attempt to fight it.
Hell, I'm imagining trying to deny I'm heterosexual and pretend to be homosexual, and it's just-- I wouldn't last five minutes.
I've seen that too, with both sexes.
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lgffan Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:16:56am |
Audit, I say we should get an audit of government funds spent with their clinics. Audit!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:17:17am |
re: #3 ggt
In other words, get married to a person of the opposite sex, have babies, buy a house in the suburbs, an SUV or a Van and LOOK like you are "normal".
It's not about how G-d made you or WHO you really are, it's about the "vision" of America.
Conform or be cast out.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:17:44am |
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:18:04am |
so what if a hetero wanted to become gay?...will the feds pay for that therapy too?
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laZardo Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:19:10am |
re: #22 albusteve
so what if a hetero wanted to become gay?...will the feds pay for that therapy too?
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albusteve Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:19:18am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:19:53am |
People of no imagination. The idea that someone could be happy and healthy who doesn't think and act like they do is beyond their comprehension.
The fact is it doesn't matter if a person is happy and healthy in regards to the law. . . .Which is what we are discussing, IMHO.
The government job is not to make us happy or healthy. That is our job, the government is only delegated the responsibility to ensure our opportunity to health and happiness is not impeded BY GOVERNMENT.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:19:56am |
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uncah91 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:19:58am |
re: #20 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Conform or be cast out.
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
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shutdown Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:20:18am |
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:20:57am |
re: #22 albusteve
so what if a hetero wanted to become gay?...will the feds pay for that therapy too?
There are plenty of porn producers already paying for that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:21:09am |
re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Apparently the Establishment Clause no longer counts as a law, but as a suggestion. *rolls eyes*
It's outright discrimination!
Jesus said in his God the Father voice, I will make you the head and not the tail!
Anyone standing in the way of our RIGHT to RULE is going against Jesus! The Establishment Clause is of the Devil!
| 34 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:21:25am |
re: #23 Boyo
why is she taken seriously?
Because Republicans feel that goofy reality show stars are our future leaders.
| 36 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:22:19am |
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
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shutdown Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:22:51am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
That makes me feel more than vaguely dirty.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:23:25am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
I hope they're not taking pictures
I haven't done my hair yet!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:23:48am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
Are they saying anything interesting?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:23:51am |
re: #35 imp_62
Only ggt gets my sense of humour today...
It's just the way my mind works, which doesn't say much for your mind . . .
:)
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:02am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
Well, you do have a passel of Jews, some blacks, some o' them Messicans, and even a coupla Muslim. What if we all started breeding?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:09am |
Big Drudge Headline: OBAMA THREATENS TO HOLD UP SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:10am |
I gotta take my nap.
Have a great afternoon all!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:10am |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
Are they saying anything interesting?
Think about what you just asked about whom!
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laZardo Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:20am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
Should try one of those IP redirects.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:40am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Well, you do have a passel of Jews, some blacks, some o' them Messicans, and even a coupla Muslim. What if we all started breeding?
They'll make more Americans!
Lions, Tigers and Bears, OH MY!
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:24:50am |
re: #37 imp_62
That makes me feel more than vaguely dirty.
I highly doubt it was in any positive sense, so I don't think you need to worry about them snuggling up and getting some of their bigotry on you.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:25:32am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Well, you do have a passel of Jews, some blacks, some o' them Messicans, and even a coupla Muslim, and a Partridge in a Pear treeeee!!!!.
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shutdown Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:25:51am |
re: #41 Obdicut
Well, you do have a passel of Jews, some blacks, some o' them Messicans, and even a coupla Muslim. What if we all started breeding?
I haven't even figured out (with few exceptions), which lizards are male and which female. Breeding is a few cognitive steps away..
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:27:11am |
re: #49 imp_62
I haven't even figured out (with few exceptions), which lizards are male and which female. Breeding is a few cognitive steps away..
Biology lesson of the day
Males have outties
Females have innies
(plus, they usually smell better than us males!!)
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:28:43am |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Big Drudge Headline: OBAMA THREATENS TO HOLD UP SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS
"Threaten," nothing. If Aug 3rd comes and there's no debt-ceiling bill passed, then he has the power to prioritize where tax revenues go. And since our credit rating is the biggest concern, some folks are just gonna have to do without.
It's time folks got a cold splash of reality in the face. Nothing seems to motivate Americans as much as a boot in the ass.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:28:43am |
ABC News has a report on Michele and Marcus Bachmann’s family business — the religious counseling clinics that practice ineffective and potentially harmful “Pray Away the Gay” therapies.
I'm so glad the Teabag Party is fighting the Shariah Law taking over our country.
//
| 53 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:29:22am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:30:15am |
re: #15 Obdicut
I know families where the dad honestly didn't realize he was gay-- self-delusion is a hell of a drug-- and they're still all screwed up. Can't imagine how terrible it is to actually know your sexuality but attempt to fight it.
Hell, I'm imagining trying to deny I'm heterosexual and pretend to be homosexual, and it's just-- I wouldn't last five minutes.
Oh if the roles were truly reversed -- social and physical violence, legal restrictions, witchhunts, family estrangements etc -- you'd find ways.
| 55 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:30:18am |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Threatens to Withhold Social Security Checks from Seniors and Vets
Lovely. The actual Reuters headline: "Obama: seniors could be hurt without debt deal."
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:30:41am |
re: #50 sattv4u2
Biology lesson of the day
Males have outties
Females have innies(plus, they usually smell better than us males!!)
Wait, were we supposed to be inspected on the way in? I was not informed! Also, we tend to dress better, as well.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:31:16am |
re: #56 Simply Sarah
Wait, were we supposed to be inspected on the way in? I was not informed! Also, we tend to dress better, as well.
How did you get through the TSA post
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:31:34am |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Threatens to Withhold Social Security Checks from Seniors and Vets
They're so damn naked about their lies these days. That one doesn't even make any sense if you think about it for two seconds.
I mean, if you just ask 'why', and the answer is 'because we won't have the money to pay them without raising the debt ceiling', then it's kind of easy to spot the lie.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:32:06am |
re: #54 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh if the roles were truly reversed -- social and physical violence, legal restrictions, witchhunts, family estrangements etc -- you'd find ways.
I'm just not that good an actor. My head is on a swivel.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:32:28am |
"Obama: seniors could be hurt without debt deal."
In Teabag World, only "welfare" recipients would be affected.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:33:06am |
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:34:06am |
re: #51 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"...we'll put a boot in your ass its the American way..."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:35:08am |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Threatens to Withhold Social Security Checks from Seniors and Vets
Dirty government bastards withholding my SS! Hands off! I am the mob! Etc!
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:35:39am |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Threatens to Withhold Social Security Checks from Seniors and Vets
What idiots.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:36:04am |
re: #64 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Dirty government bastards withholding my SS! Hands off! I am the mob! Etc!
Shut down the government and liberate my social security checks!
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thatthatisis Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:37:24am |
So the federal government pays for the "get out the gay" therapies. Hmmm, I think we've just discovered some of the Medicare fraud and abuse everyone talks about getting rid of.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:37:50am |
Fox news reader offers a solution...
1) Arrest George Soros (for meddling in sovereign countries to destroy their governments and finances -like he is now doing to us here in the US), Obomanation because he is a liar, forger and alien, Hilary Clinton, Nancy Peloci and Harry Reid(for knowing and signing Oboma’s into the presidential race when he was not US born)2) Get rid of every communist professor at every level of education.3) Return education back to the states and close the US Dept of Education.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:38:14am |
re: #67 thatthatisis
So the federal government pays for the "get out the gay" therapies. Hmmm, I think we've just discovered some of the Medicare fraud and abuse everyone talks about getting rid of.
NO, NOT THAT KIND.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:38:54am |
re: #55 Charles
Lovely. The actual Reuters headline: "Obama: seniors could be hurt without debt deal."
Right, there is no right wing tea party bias at Fox/GOP News Channel.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:40:01am |
Well come now, the Republicans ran on a platform of "small government," and now they're giving the voters what they wanted. Folks just didn't understand that a "small government" doesn't cut SS checks, reimburse Medicare/Medicaid patients, maintain a huge military across the globe while fighting three wars, and so forth.
Somehow, I don't think "small government" will be as popular next November.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:40:49am |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Fox news reader offers a solution...
That makes absolutely no sense.
And these people vote.
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windsagio Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:41:02am |
re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
They ran on a myth, and the myth is always popular.
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Bulworth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:41:19am |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
The Faux reader wants to arrest Obomanation? How does one do that?
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:41:23am |
re: #15 Obdicut
Hell, I'm imagining trying to deny I'm heterosexual and pretend to be homosexual, and it's just-- I wouldn't last five minutes.
That may be the best in-their-shoes thought experiment I've ever heard of. More people should try that.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:41:39am |
re: #36 Charles
Ugh. Had some referrals from Stormfront yesterday. The Neanderthals are talking about us on a private page.
I once had an image hotlinked by Stormfront. That was so sweet! I pwned them with this.
| 77 |
RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:48:07am |
Anyone have news on this from TPM???? Debt ceiling raise from the Senate with NO SPENDING CUTS? From Mitch McConnell?
[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:50:09am |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Keep yer filthy gubmint hands off mah Medicare and Social Security!
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blueraven Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:54:35am |
re: #77 RanchTooth
Anyone have news on this from TPM??? Debt ceiling raise from the Senate with NO SPENDING CUTS? From Mitch McConnell?
[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I just saw that on MSNBC...He is proposing to get us past the 2012 elections. Blink!
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:57:16am |
re: #79 blueraven
I just saw that on MSNBC...He is proposing to get us past the 2012 elections. Blink!
There's no way. Even if he were to promise this, I can't see how this could pass through the House without an all-out Tea Party revolt.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:19am |
re: #79 blueraven
I just saw that on MSNBC...He is proposing to get us past the 2012 elections. Blink!
Erick, Son of Erick is not happy:
[Link: www.redstate.com...]
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RanchTooth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 11:59:21am |
re: #80 Simply Sarah
There's no way. Even if he were to promise this, I can't see how this could pass through the House without an all-out Tea Party revolt.
Hey, if there's no spending cuts, it definitely means no tax loophole closures for the wealthy, so they'll be pleased in some respect. Also, if they don't balance the deficit, they'll make it look like Obama doesn't want to balance the budget, giving more fire to the GOP 2012 candidates.
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allegro Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:02:24pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Threatens to Withhold Social Security Checks from Seniors and Vets
I am so confusled now... isn't that part of the Republican platform? To discontinue all the "entitlements"? To wipe out SS? And now they're whining cuz that's what Obama is threatening will happen if they get their way?
Dissonance alert!
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:06:38pm |
re: #83 allegro
The Republican party is the platform of dissonance. It's what they run on.
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Gus Tue, Jul 12, 2011 12:18:48pm |
Oh brother. Bachmann is such a throwback. She's like something out of the 50s. The 1550s.
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elisabeth Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:05:27pm |
re: #16 Dreggas
Thanks for the heads-up; I've added it to my queue.
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Petero1818 Tue, Jul 12, 2011 2:06:30pm |
So let me understand this. You can use federal funds for this type of thing, but federal funds are to be denied to any organization that performs any abortions even if those funds are used for provision of other critical services, and not abortions. Dude your system of government is FUBAR.
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