1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:19:34am

That was no lady.

/

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:19:58am

He sure knows how to put things in context, doesn’t he?

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:21:31am

Granted, it was an e-mail, but if you are a public figure, especially in government, it is reasonable to expect that whatever you put on the Interwebs going to be made public.

4 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:23:56am

re: #3 ralphieboy

Granted, it was an e-mail, but if you are a public figure, especially in government, it is reasonable to expect that whatever you put on the Interwebs going to be made public.

He copied the house leadership on the email.

He had no intention of it being private.

5 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:24:35am

re: #3 ralphieboy

Granted, it was an e-mail, but if you are a public figure, especially in government, it is reasonable to expect that whatever you put on the Interwebs going to be made public.

From his email:

From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

Emphasis added.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:26:07am

Repost from previous thread:

If someone sends me an email like that, I’ll tell you right up front that I have no compunction at all about making it public. You lose the right to demand privacy for your emails when they’re abusive and insulting.

7 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:26:12am
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

I suppose the irony of the subject line is lost on West.

8 Alexzander  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:26:19am

I think Alan West significantly damaged his chances of becoming a presidential candidate in the future with this email.

9 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27:14am

re: #5 wrenchwench

From his email:

Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

If you look in the dictionary for the definition of projection…

10 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27:28am

re: #8 Alexzander

I think Alan West significantly damaged improved his chances of becoming a presidential candidate in the future with this email.

Modern day GOP baby, all crazy all of the time! This just proves he isn’t afraid to stand up democrats no mater what sex they are!

11 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27:42am

This is going to be just like ElevatorGate all over again, I think I’ll pass.

Accusations of entitlement and misogynistic behavior on one side.

Accusations of feminist based overreaction on the other.

I have no doubt which side the majority is going to side with, but I am going to try to refrain from taking one. End of comment. ;)

12 mr.fusion  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:28:22am

Is it any wonder why so many Tea Partiers are dying to see West run for President?

draftallenwest2012.com

13 mr.fusion  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:29:00am

re: #8 Alexzander

I think Alan West significantly damaged his chances of becoming a presidential candidate in the future with this email.

Have you been paying ANY attention to what’s going on in the Republican Party the last 3 years?

14 Alexzander  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:29:27am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Modern day GOP baby, all crazy all of the time! This just proves he isn’t afraid to stand up democrats no mater what sex they are!

Even in the crazy environment of the the GOP right now, this email simply wasn’t ‘presidential.’ I think Americans still have some expectations in that regard, which is why Palin (and others) poll pretty awefully even among republicans as a presidential candidate.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:30:20am

re: #4 Obdicut

I missed that aspect. He might as well have posted it on his website.

16 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:30:29am

re: #4 Obdicut

He copied the house leadership on the email.

He had no intention of it being private.

He also promptly started using it in his fund raising efforts.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:30:50am

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

He sure knows how to put things in context, doesn’t he?

Yeah, I’ve been ignoring the story because I just assumed her comments were actually harsher than that.

18 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:32:26am

All Wasserman-Schultz has to do is not respond, at all, in any form, and her poll numbers will rise relative to his. Generally speaking, voters don’t like abusive rancor, especially in response to a rather tame speech on the floor of the House.

I don’t imagine even West’s base will like the tone he struck, especially female voters. It seems the general pattern with West is a near-total lack of impulse control.

Oh, and there is no way in hell this guy would ever get more than 20% of the vote in a general election. He’s a black conservative war criminal with a horrible temper and a propensity for nasty personal attacks. I don’t see that being a very attractive package for ANY demographic.

19 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:32:43am

I just have to toot Debbie’s horn because I think she’s an incredibly brave woman on so many levels.

Here she is speaking at the Pride Center in Wilton Manors in support of gay marriage.

[Link: www.wikio.com…]

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:34:52am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

True, the democrats are no strangers to using harsh or demonizing language, but in this case what she said was rather mundane and uncontroversial. Certainly not the sort of thing someone should inappropriately fire back with “You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!”

21 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:35:01am

re: #8 Alexzander

I think Alan West significantly damaged his chances of becoming a presidential candidate in the future with this email.


He is a frakking war ciminal who accepted a forced retirement when faced with charges that would have meant 8 years in Leavenworth and a bad conduct discharge! BUt wait…there’s more…

West contributed to a Florida magazine that called women “oral relief stations”: Before he was elected to Congress, West was a monthly contributor to “Miami Mike’s Wheels On The Road,” a biker magazine that billed itself as the “South Florida Biker’s Bible.” The magazine has featured multiple overtly misogynistic articles, including one asking readers to imagine having sex with Wasserman Schultz. At other times, the magazine’s writers referred to women as “oral relief stations,” complained about women who said “their knees hurt,” depicted women as servants of men, and suggested that they should wear “slave chokers” as accessories.

22 Tumulus11  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:35:42am

. West apologizes but then doubles down:

‘Huffington Post reporter: Hey Congressman West?

Allen West: Hey.

HP: I have a question for you. I saw that there’s a bunch of Congresswomen having a press conference today to talk about your email to Debbie Wasserman Schultz. What do you think about it? Does that bother you that they’re doing that?

AW: No, it doesn’t bother me.

HP: They’re probably going to say something about being anti-woman or something. [inaudible]

AW: I’ve been married for 22 years. I have two daughters.

HP: So what does that mean? That you respect women or …

AW: [inaudible] And I just apologized.

HP: And you just apologized?

AW: Mmhmm.

HP: OK. Alright. Thank you.

AW: You’re welcome.’

.

‘But West spokeswoman Angela Sachitano doubled down, saying it was Wasserman Schultz who should do the apologizing. Sachitano strenuously denied that West had apologized to Wasserman Schultz and even denied what he’d told Huffington Post.’

// Roll Call.

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:36:30am

The new version of Safari has some pretty awesome features! The back and forward buttons really work nicely - they save a snapshot of each page in its final state right before you leave it, and when you swipe left or right on a trackpad or Magic Mouse, they slide in the snapshot with no reload or delay. Only if you stay on that page for a second or two does the page reload itself.

This makes it easy to swipe back and forth to find something in your browser history. Very handy feature.

24 mr.fusion  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:38:04am

re: #14 Alexzander

Even in the crazy environment of the the GOP right now, this email simply wasn’t ‘presidential.’ I think Americans still have some expectations in that regard, which is why Palin (and others) poll pretty awefully even among republicans as a presidential candidate.

From today:

She is still not an announced candidate, Sarah Palin still casts a long shadow across the Republican presidential field.

Despite fierce campaigning and the rise of Michele Bachmann, who is popular among Tea Party Republicans in particular, it is Palin who would come in second to Mitt Romney if the 2012 GOP primary were held today, according to the latest ABC News-Washington Post poll. Romney has 26 percent support for the nomination among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, while Palin has 18 percent. Michele Bachmann comes in third with 12 percent, with the rest of the field only scoring in the single digits.

25 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:39:47am

re: #23 Charles

That’s a very smart, and easy-to-implement feature. I’m surprised more browsers don’t cache recently-viewed pages as images to allow for faster browsing.

It’s a little odd that a page you were just at 5 seconds ago has to re-load entirely when you go back to it. This seems like a good solution to that.

26 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:40:26am

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

True, the democrats are no strangers to using harsh or demonizing language, but in this case what she said was rather mundane and uncontroversial. Certainly not the sort of thing someone should inappropriately fire back with “You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!”

I suspect he reacted so strongly because Republicans know their plans to abolish Medicare is really going to hurt them in states like Florida.They just don’t want anyone to mention it.

27 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:41:51am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I suspect he reacted so strongly because Republicans know their plans to abolish Medicare is really going to hurt them in states like Florida.They just don’t want anyone to mention it.

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

28 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:42:58am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

He’s got his for life. Fuck them.

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:26am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

In general, they have no fresh ideas. Just old, Randian retreads pulled from the waste bin. It’s embarrassing to watch.

30 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:28am

re: #5 wrenchwench

From his email:

Emphasis added.

Private email!

//

Jeez, what a nut.

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:43am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

it’s right up there with starting a land war in asia and betting against a sicilian when death is on the line.

32 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:59am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

Which is why Wasserman Schultz used the word “unbelieveable” and also why West is saying, “Shut up! Just shut up, you … not a lady, you!”

33 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:44:44am

LGF has been behaving badly for me since yesterday. The reply box doesn’t have the font effect thingie buttons, I can’t preview or upload images, and when I post I get sent back to the top of the page. I’m using Chrome and this never happened before yesterday.

34 mr.fusion  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:44:57am

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

I don’t know…..this guy hasn’t exactly been a wallflower in the past and he won in ‘10

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:45:48am

re: #30 Gus 802

“If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up.” he wrote in his email.

36 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:46:19am

re: #34 mr.fusion

I don’t know…this guy hasn’t exactly been a wallflower in the past and he won in ‘10

I think in decades to come, the ‘10 election cycle will either be seen as an anomaly, or the beginning of the end. Here’s hoping it’s the former.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:46:36am

re: #4 Obdicut

He copied the house leadership on the email.

He had no intention of it being private.

Still classier than Jesse Helms singing ‘Dixie’ to Carol Moseley Braun.

38 recusancy  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:46:45am

re: #33 allegro

LGF has been behaving badly for me since yesterday. The reply box doesn’t have the font effect thingie buttons, I can’t preview or upload images, and when I post I get sent back to the top of the page. I’m using Chrome and this never happened before yesterday.

Control + refresh twice. Chrome sometimes has pretty aggressive caching. Are you on v12?

39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:46:47am

Allen West is just another attention queen.

No ideas, all bluster and sociopathy.

What kind of people think this makes a good representative??

40 Alexzander  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:47:15am

Some might find this useful:

http://sharemenot.cs.washington.edu/

ShareMeNot is a Firefox add-on designed to prevent third-party buttons (such as the Facebook “Like” button or the Twitter “tweet” button) embedded by sites across the Internet from tracking you until you actually click on them. Unlike traditional solutions, ShareMeNot does this without completely removing the buttons from the web experience.

Created (at least in part) by Jacob Applebaum, who once did some work for Wikileaks. He is also a TOR developer.

41 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:47:51am

re: #39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Allen West is just another attention queen.

No ideas, all bluster and sociopathy.

What kind of people think this makes a good representative??

People who watch a lot of Fox.

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:47:57am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Yee-ikes!!! What?!?!

43 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:48:05am

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

“If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up.” he wrote in his email.

lol Epic Fail. And now everyone can mock him. Sweet.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:48:18am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Still classier than Jesse Helms singing ‘Dixie’ to Carol Moseley Braun.

Untrue!

That was her just being oversensitive!

/dumbbigot

45 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:48:38am

re: #38 recusancy

Control + refresh twice. Chrome sometimes has pretty aggressive caching. Are you on v12?

Hey thanks! That worked! You are my hero of the day!

46 Funky_Gibbon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:49:40am

OT:

It seems James Murdoch may have lied in his testimony when he said that he was not aware of an email documenting evidence of hacking before he paid £700,000 in an out of court settlement with confidentiality clause.

From the Guardian newspaper:

James Murdoch’s account to the Commons culture select committee about his involvement in agreeing the out-of-court settlement with the former head of the Professional Footballers’ Association, Gordon Taylor, was “mistaken”, according to a statement issued by former News of the World editor Colin Myler and former News international legal manager Tom Crone.

The statement says:

Just by way of clarification relating to Tuesday’s CMS Select Committee hearing, we would like to point out that James Murdoch’s recollection of what he was told when agreeing to settle the Gordon Taylor litigation was mistaken.

In fact, we did inform him of the “for Neville” email which had been produced to us by Gordon Taylor’s lawyers.

The Neville referred to in the statement is Neville Thurlbeck, the paper’s former chief reporter. In 2009, documents passed to the culture committee revealed that he read transcripts of 35 hacked telephone messages between Gordon Taylor and Jo Armstrong, a legal advisor at the PFA.

They were sent in an email to the private investigator Glenn Mulcaire by an unnamed junior reporter on the paper on 29 June 2005. In the email, the reporter says “Hello, this is the transcript for Neville”. The committee was told by Guardian reporter Nick Davies this was Neville Thurlbeck.

At the select committee hearing on Tuesday, James Murdoch told Labour MP Tom Watson that he was not aware of the email when he signed off the payment to Taylor:

Mr Watson: James – sorry, if I may call you James, to differentiate—when you signed off the Taylor payment, did you see or were you made aware of the full Neville e-mail, the transcript of the hacked voicemail messages?

James Murdoch: No, I was not aware of that at the time.

Mr Watson: But you paid an astronomical sum, and there was no reason to.

James Murdoch: There was every reason to settle the case, given the likelihood of losing the case and given the damages—we had received counsel—that would be levied.

And the Select Committee are going to call him back so he can explain his “error”.

47 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:50:52am

Well, Jessie Helms was an unreconstructed racist. He was old school. They don’t make too many of them like that any more. Today’s racist politicians are much better at using coded language and blowing the dog whistle. They have a better understanding of what will be percieved as racism.

I don’t know which is worse, really.

48 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:50:53am

re: #39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Allen West is just another attention queen.

No ideas, all bluster and sociopathy.

What kind of people think this makes a good representative??

2008 was the year to elect the non-politician politician. I don’t know where this thought came from. It’s bizarreness, but it’s how Meek lost his election and how Scott became governor. Thank God Debbie held her seat. The people of Weston aren’t has crazy as those in Pompano (I guess)

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:51:06am

re: #43 marjoriemoon

Yeah, the utter lack of irony awareness in that really should be fed back to him over and over again.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:51:16am

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

Yee-ikes!!! What?!?!

Back in 1993, report has it…

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:52:16am

re: #47 Fozzie Bear

Well, Jessie Helms was an unreconstructed racist. He was old school. They don’t make too many of them like that any more. Today’s racist politicians are much better at using coded language and blowing the dog whistle. They have a better understanding of what will be percieved as racism.

I don’t know which is worse, really.

They are pitching the dog whistle so loud that most anyone can hear it, and then when they are called on it, they react with bluster, obfustication, rationalization and painting themselves as victims of character assassination.

52 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:52:38am

So to recap. Wasserman said this on the House floor in response to West — while absent from the floor:

“The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida,” Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation “slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas.”

Which was followed by this hysterical tirade from Allen West:

From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional ,and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!

I am bringing your actions today to our Majority Leader and Majority Whip and from this time forward, understand that I shall defend myself forthright against your heinous characterless behavior……which dates back to the disgusting protest you ordered at my campaign hqs, October 2010 in Deerfield Beach.

You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!

Steadfast and Loyal

Congressman Allen B West (R-FL)

53 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:22am

Oops. Didn’t format as I wanted. Anyway, that’s it right there.

54 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:31am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Back in 1993, report has it…

The reply was even better.

[Link: www.time.com…]

55 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:35am

re: #51 ralphieboy

They are pitching the dog whistle so loud that most anyone can hear it, and then when they are called on it, they react with bluster, obfustication, rationalization and painting themselves as victims of character assassination.

True. Very true. But most of them seem to know that singing Dixie to a black person during a legislative session isn’t cool. Even the really crazy ones mostly seem to know this.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:47am

re: #51 ralphieboy

They are pitching the dog whistle so loud that most anyone can hear it, and then when they are called on it, they react with bluster, obfustication, rationalization and painting themselves as victims of character assassination.

This isn’t a dog whistle, this is just an unpleasant attack on another politician who made him mad.

57 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:54:44am

From: Z112 West, Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional ,and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!

I am bringing your actions today to our Majority Leader and Majority Whip and from this time forward, understand that I shall defend myself forthright against your heinous characterless behavior……which dates back to the disgusting protest you ordered at my campaign hqs, October 2010 in Deerfield Beach.

You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!

Steadfast and Loyal

Congressman Allen B West (R-FL)

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:54:52am

re: #52 Gus 802

I shall defend myself forthright from your heinous chest poking!!11ty

59 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:55:04am

Fixed. :)

60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:55:38am

re: #47 Fozzie Bear

Well, Jessie Helms was an unreconstructed racist. He was old school. They don’t make too many of them like that any more. Today’s racist politicians are much better at using coded language and blowing the dog whistle. They have a better understanding of what will be percieved as racism.

I don’t know which is worse, really.

Both are worse. Like any dumb bigot in the post-Civil Rights era, they just know they’ll get their block knocked off if they do anything otherwise.

61 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:55:56am

re: #47 Fozzie Bear

Well, Jessie Helms was an unreconstructed racist. He was old school. They don’t make too many of them like that any more. Today’s racist politicians are much better at using coded language and blowing the dog whistle. They have a better understanding of what will be percieved as racism.

I don’t know which is worse, really.

David Duke repackaged racism. A good looking, suited fellow (sans the white robe) with an education. The gun-totin, confederate flag wavin, toothless rednecks really hated him, and the world is full of David Dukes today. I think it’s much worse because it’s better disguised.

62 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:56:06am

Why did he leave the floor before the discussion was over, anyway?

63 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:56:09am

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

This isn’t a dog whistle, this is just an unpleasant attack on another politician who made him mad.

I think he was referring to the Jessie Helms dixie-signing incident.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:56:17am

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

This isn’t a dog whistle, this is just an unpleasant attack on another politician who made him mad.

Was not referring to the recent West rant, but to the general climate. Jesse helms was just being an old-school bigot.

I am talkinga bout how the right-wing bigots are refining the tactic of whining like babies when they get called out for their utterances and turning the discussion around to make themselves out as victims of character assassination or the liberal media trying to musszle their freedom of speech.

Or it was “satire”. Have you people no sense of humor?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:57:07am

re: #63 Fozzie Bear

I think he was referring to the Jessie Helms dixie-signing incident.

That wasn’t a dog whistle either, that was just a racist attack on a woman he despised because she was black. Very up-front.

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:57:46am

re: #61 marjoriemoon

David Duke repackaged racism. A good looking, suited fellow (sans the white robe) with an education. The gun-totin, confederate flag wavin, toothless rednecks really hated him, and the world is full of David Dukes today. I think it’s much worse because it’s better disguised.

Lol not from us, it’s not. Same old dumb bigots fall for it, though.

67 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:58:23am

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

That wasn’t a dog whistle either, that was just a racist attack on a woman he despised because she was black. Very up-front.

Yep. Helms didn’t mince. He was an asshole, and proud of it.

Boss Hog meets David Duke.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:58:57am

re: #62 wrenchwench

Gov’t teet sucking employee leaves work early, fires off offensive, sexist screed at hardworking, American woman.

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:59:24am

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Gov’t teet sucking employee leaves work early, fires off offensive, sexist screed at hardworking, American woman.

Film at 11.

70 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:59:47am

re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol not from us, it’s not. Same old dumb bigots fall for it, though.

It might not fool us, but it provides just enough cover for many to vote for them, and that makes them more dangerous politically than the old school n-bomb-dropping racists.

71 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:01:26pm

re: #70 Fozzie Bear

It might not fool us, but it provides just enough cover for many to vote for them, and that makes them more dangerous politically than the old school n-bomb-dropping racists.

It’s the same. Same goals, same old resentments, same old dumb bigot constituency, just 40 years later.

72 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:01:50pm

Allen West’s district…

Florida’s 22nd congressional district

Demographics

* Male: 48.8%
• Female: 51.2%
• Median age: 43.0
• 18 years and over: 81.1%
• 65 years and over: 20.8%
• Employed: 58.1%
• Median household income: $51,200
• Families below poverty level: 4.6%
• Bachelor’s degree or higher: 34.1%

Ethnicity

• 82.3% White
• 3.8% Black
• 1.7% Asian
• 10.7% Hispanic
• 0.1% Native American
• 0.2% other

73 zora  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:02:15pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Allen West Is “Cracking Under The Pressure”

“I have to tell you I was unfazed by his email. It’s not surprising that given the pressure that the Republicans are facing, they’re defending ending Medicare as we know it. Congressman West represents thousands of senior citizens which is what I was pointing out and they would face significant increased costs due to the Republican’s Medicare plan and the Cap, Cap And Balance bill, so it’s not surprising he would crack under the pressure of having to defend that.,” DNC Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL) said about her Republican colleague.

perfect response from Wasserman Schultz.

74 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:03:38pm

re: #73 zora

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Allen West Is “Cracking Under The Pressure”

perfect response from Wasserman Schultz.

Agreed.

75 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:03:42pm

For what it’s worth, I’d like to point out that Allen West actually got *less* votes in 2010 than he did in 2008.

He won because almost 100,000 fewer voters cast ballots in 2010 than 2008.

76 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:04:01pm

re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol not from us, it’s not. Same old dumb bigots fall for it, though.

So you’d rather have it disguised? I’m confused.

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:04:17pm

re: #73 zora

Ooooh! It is so on!

78 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:04:22pm

Another GOP presidential candidate has seen his campaign manager quit.

This time it’s Jon Huntsman.

The manager, Susie Wiles, who had helped Rick Scott, a Republican, get elected governor in Florida last November, will be replaced by Matt David, the campaign’s communications director, officials said.

The changes were first reported by The Washington Post.

“Susie has served the campaign well and was vital in getting it off the ground in such a short time-frame,” John Weaver, a top political strategist for Mr. Huntsman, said in a statement.

The departure of Ms. Wiles is the first serious sign of trouble for Mr. Huntsman since he returned from a two-year tour as President Obama’s ambassador to China to challenge his former boss.

Those problems are minor compared to the implosion of Newt’s campaign.

And we’re just getting started with the race.

79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:05:34pm

re: #76 marjoriemoon

So you’d rather have it disguised? I’m confused.

Afaic, it’s never disguised. Just different degrees of blatancy.

80 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:06:37pm

re: #75 BongCrodny

For what it’s worth, I’d like to point out that Allen West actually got *less* votes in 2010 than he did in 2008.

He won because almost 100,000 fewer voters cast ballots in 2010 than 2008.

Weird. Shows how important it is to get out the vote. And the dangers of complacency.

Florida’s 22nd Congressional District Election (2008)
Party Candidate Votes Percentage
Democratic Ron Klein* 169,041 54.68%
Republican Allen B. West 140,104 45.32%
Totals 309,145 100.00%

Florida’s 22nd Congressional District Election (2010)
Party Candidate Votes Percentage
Republican Allen B. West 118,890 54.36%
Democratic Ron Klein* 99,804 45.64%
Totals 218,694 100.00%

Klein had some rather healthy numbers in 2008.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:06:54pm

re: #76 marjoriemoon

I think what OCIHACOSP meant was that no matter how bigots try to disguise their racist dog whistles, OCIHACOSP is fooled by it.

82 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:07:12pm

re: #71 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It’s the same. Same goals, same old resentments, same old dumb bigot constituency, just 40 years later.

Of course it’s the same underneath the coded language. But it’s the perpetual repackaging that allows it to be floated in public even today and garner votes from people who are racist, but don’t like to think of themselves as racists. That’s basically the essence of the southern strategy.

83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:08:30pm

re: #72 Gus 802

Allen West’s district…

Florida’s 22nd congressional district

Demographics

Ethnicity

Yep. Dumb bigot constituency now has some book-lernin’.

(Probably from Pensacola Christian College.)

84 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:08:35pm

From Allen West’s e-mail:

You are the most vile, unprofessional ,and despicable member of the US House of Representatives…


Guess he doesn’t get out much. :-)

85 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:09:40pm

re: #75 BongCrodny

For what it’s worth, I’d like to point out that Allen West actually got *less* votes in 2010 than he did in 2008.

He won because almost 100,000 fewer voters cast ballots in 2010 than 2008.

Perhaps this is a good omen for 2012 then. 2008 was a presidential election year, so turnout was much higher than in 2010, a midterm. If more people turn out, maybe they will send this asshole packing.

86 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:09:50pm

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth

I think what OCIHACOSP meant was that no matter how bigots try to disguise their racist dog whistles, OCIHACOSP is fooled by it.

Right. I got it with #70 and #71 actually hehe

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:09:54pm

After reading through a few of the AARP news letters, I can see why the GOP wanted to investigate them. They (the AARP) are definitely not on board with the neo-Randian march.

88 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:10:04pm

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Attacking medicare in Florida really is a pretty absurd act of political self-immolation. That just can’t fly. Do they not know how many of their constituents are on medicare?

It’d be like a representative from here in Washington advocating 100% Airbus contracts for the Air Force.

89 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:10:20pm

re: #75 BongCrodny

For what it’s worth, I’d like to point out that Allen West actually got *less* *fewer* votes in 2010 than he did in 2008.

He won because almost 100,000 fewer voters cast ballots in 2010 than 2008.

FWIW, also…

90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:11:55pm

re: #82 Fozzie Bear

Of course it’s the same underneath the coded language. But it’s the perpetual repackaging that allows it to be floated in public even today and garner votes from people who are racist, but don’t like to think of themselves as racists. That’s basically the essence of the southern strategy.

Dumb bigots have never been known for their critical thinking skills.

91 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:12:41pm

OT: OMFG! I found him! MSNBC Newsvine does have at least one moderator!

One full week ban and several one day bans handed out in just a single thread to prove it too! (one has to feel sorry for Tyler though since apparently he is the only one trying to police more than a million comments per week.) :(

[Link: world-news.newsvine.com…]

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:12:54pm

Ahh. More kids will go to jail. :(

[Link: twitter.com…]

Yes, #NATO was breached. And we have
lots of restricted material. With some simple injection. In the next days, wait for interesting data :)

93 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:13:15pm

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth

I think what OCIHACOSP meant was that no matter how bigots try to disguise their racist dog whistles, OCIHACOSP is fooled by it.

I do think, though, there’s more danger. I mean it’s obvious to people who are used to hearing the coded language, i.e. minorities. But to others who don’t know the meaning of “state’s rights” and such terminology the whole hidden aspect is pretty awful.

I like my racists toothless and confederate flag wavin, thank you very much!

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:14:25pm

Well, it looks like one of the arrest warrants for the ICC regarding Libya will have to be thrown away.

This is big enough news for a Libya Page after work today.

95 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:16:33pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

Why the flying hell is anonymous attacking a group that is trying to help the Libyans gain freedom?

Can they not see the similarities between Libya and Tunisia. Or Libya and Egypt.

They can rot in jail.

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:17:23pm

re: #95 ProLifeLiberal

re: #95 ProLifeLiberal

Kids can be so stupid, without being intentionally evil…

97 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:18:22pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

Ahh. More kids will go to jail. :(

[Link: twitter.com…]

Time to start handing out life sentences. Or maybe 20 years for shit like that.

98 BongCrodny  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:18:33pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

FWIW, also…

Caught that about one millisecond after I hit the post button. :-)

99 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:18:42pm

re: #93 marjoriemoon

I do think, though, there’s more danger. I mean it’s obvious to people who are used to hearing the coded language, i.e. minorities. But to others who don’t know the meaning of “state’s rights” and such terminology the whole hidden aspect is pretty awful.

I like my racists toothless and confederate flag wavin, thank you very much!

I don’t think so. Watching bigots hoodwink and exploit each other is never fun, but eventually, the bigot-lite’s fangs always come out. Often, it doesn’t take much.

Thing is, with a person like Allen West, he’s never hidden his sociopathy. I don’t think he’s able to lol.

100 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:18:47pm

re: #95 ProLifeLiberal

Arresting scads of script kiddies won’t stop this, or even slow it down. The focus needs to be on more secure networks that aren’t vulnerable to injection attacks. That’s the only way to prevent this kind of thing.

101 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:19:04pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Why did he leave the floor before the discussion was over, anyway?

Discussion? The floor is for making speeches.

102 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:19:05pm

re: #61 marjoriemoon

David Duke repackaged racism. A good looking, suited fellow (sans the white robe) with an education. The gun-totin, confederate flag wavin, toothless rednecks really hated him, and the world is full of David Dukes today. I think it’s much worse because it’s better disguised.

However, the election of President Obama did a lot to unmask those people. They spent 20 years learning how to be racist on the down-low, and then he gets elected and they all blow a gasket. He’s like a human version of those glasses in They Live (1988) that lets you see the aliens through their disguises.

103 Kragar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:19:38pm

Fischer: Hitler was GAY!

/facepalm

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:19:55pm

re: #97 Gus 802

re: #100 Fozzie Bear

You guys talk it over between yourselves ;)

105 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:20:25pm

re: #102 Charleston Chew

+1 for the great sci-fi reference.

106 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:21:57pm

re: #101 Naso Tang

Discussion? The floor is for making speeches.

Then why would West see her remarks as “behind his back,” meaning if he were still there, it would not have been vile of her to talk about his position?

107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:22:13pm

re: #102 Charleston Chew

However, the election of President Obama did a lot to unmask those people. They spent 20 years learning how to be racist on the down-low, and then he gets elected and they all blow a gasket. He’s like a human version of those glasses in They Live (1988) that lets you see the aliens through their disguises.

But who were they ever masked to? Each other?

They only think they are racist on the DL. Their behavior only vindicates what we’ve been saying about them for 40 years.

108 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:22:14pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

I’m not really disagreeing with Gus (except about the life sentences, that would be excessive). I’m just saying that you can’t fix the fact that there are millions of technically capable sociopaths out there, but you CAN fix insecure networks.

109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:23:04pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Then why would West see her remarks as “behind his back,” meaning if he were still there, it would not have been vile of her to talk about his position?

Exactly. He’s such a big masculine man, why did he run away?

110 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:23:23pm

re: #94 ProLifeLiberal

It is not totally confirmed, but apparently a meeting in a hotel between Saif al-Qaddafi and Abdullah al-Senussi, along with other prominent officials and bodyguards, was attacked by rebels armed with machine guns and RPGs.

Reports are that Senussi is either badly injured or dead, and another person at the meeting is in a coma.

Saif appears to have gotten away unscathed, unfortunately.

111 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:23:57pm

re: #107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But who were they ever masked to? Each other?

They only think they are racist on the DL. Their behavior only vindicates what we’ve been saying about them for 40 years.

The the giant empty-headed middle, the coded language really does allow much of it to go under the radar. If you are paying attention and are well-informed, sure, it isn’t going to fool you.

Most of the country is neither paying attention nor well-informed. But they do vote anyway.

112 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:24:21pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

The attack occurred in Al-Andalus District in Tripoli.

113 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:24:23pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: Hitler was GAY!

/facepalm

He’s just copying Scott Liveley.

Dumb bigots…can’t even come up with original lies, must repeat the claptrap of others.

114 Kragar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:24:26pm

re: #109 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Exactly. He’s such a big masculine man, why did he run away?

Because the modern GOP is a bunch of thin-skinned, ignorant twits.

115 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:24:42pm

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

re: #100 Fozzie Bear

You guys talk it over between yourselves ;)

Well. I don’t mean mass arrests with long sentences. It could be something like 8 years. Something significant. Right now they’re getting 2 years, coming out and writing a book and getting hired by Wired. //

116 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:24:51pm

re: #107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But who were they ever masked to? Each other?

They only think they are racist on the DL. Their behavior only vindicates what we’ve been saying about them for 40 years.

It’s like when they talk to someone with white skin they assume you’re as racist as they are and they say what they really think. I will never stop being shocked by people who seemed like nice folks until they let loose with a racist rant that makes me see how ugly they really are.

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:27:11pm

re: #115 Gus 802

8 years? You, liberal, you.//

But yeah, I agree with you. With an exception - several tough sentences should be handed out to those who are older. They, of all people, should have known what they were doing. Then it may make the younger ones finally think.

118 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:30:16pm

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

8 years? You, liberal, you.//

But yeah, I agree with you. With an exception - several tough sentences should be handed out to those who are older. They, of all people, should have known what they were doing. Then it may make the younger ones finally think.

Or we can send them to re-education camp in North Dakota.

//

119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:32:13pm

re: #111 Fozzie Bear

The the giant empty-headed middle, the coded language really does allow much of it to go under the radar.

It’s not under the radar. Both coded language and outright hate will always work, so long as the underlying problem of people clinging to their old supremacist attitudes, remains.

In the past couple years, the race/gender butthurt rw has started to use old politically-correct language from the 90s to try and forward their special-rights-for-bigots goals. I expect a lot more of it, too.

120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:32:38pm

re: #116 allegro

It’s like when they talk to someone with white skin they assume you’re as racist as they are and they say what they really think. I will never stop being shocked by people who seemed like nice folks until they let loose with a racist rant that makes me see how ugly they really are.

Lol you should see what they tell us right to our faces.

121 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:33:01pm

re: #117 Sergey Romanov

The problem is that it is so easy to do now. Just download a penetration testing suite, and anybody with a decent amount of computer knowledge can be taking down websites with a couple weeks of practice. The problem is that the admins of the networks that are getting attacked aren’t being diligent and using this same software on their own networks to find the security holes before they can be exploited.

Show me a network that was breached by an injection attack, and i’ll show you an admin that didn’t do his/her job.

122 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:35:28pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Well. I don’t mean mass arrests with long sentences. It could be something like 8 years. Something significant. Right now they’re getting 2 years, coming out and writing a book and getting hired by Wired. //

rotfl

123 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:38:10pm

re: #116 allegro

It’s like when they talk to someone with white skin they assume you’re as racist as they are and they say what they really think. I will never stop being shocked by people who seemed like nice folks until they let loose with a racist rant that makes me see how ugly they really are.

i’ve witnessed a common dodge that you see a lot of in the teabag parties: “i’m not predjudiced because i except you from my general condemnation of people of your ethnic as overwhelmingly having bad characteristics”, as they show off the non-wasp fellow member of the teabag party standing next to them

as a hebrew, i’ve sometimes been told that they have nothing against me - it’s those other jews who are either millionaires or communists, but in any case want to own all the money in the world

124 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:40:06pm

re: #78 lawhawk

Another GOP presidential candidate has seen his campaign manager quit.

This time it’s Jon Huntsman.


Those problems are minor compared to the implosion of Newt’s campaign.

And we’re just getting started with the race.

Doesn’t ode well for Huntsman’s ‘16 campaign.

//

125 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:40:15pm

re: #123 engineer dog

i’ve witnessed a common dodge that you see a lot of in the teabag parties: “i’m not predjudiced because i except you from my general condemnation of people of your ethnic as overwhelmingly having bad characteristics”, as they show off the non-wasp fellow member of the teabag party standing next to them

as a hebrew, i’ve sometimes been told that they have nothing against me - it’s those other jews who are either millionaires or communists, but in any case want to own all the money in the world

As a woman, I’ve heard that all my life as well. “Well YOU are different, not like other women.” I assume that’s meant as some kind of compliment… or something.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:41:07pm

re: #124 Bulworth

Doesn’t ode well for Huntsman’s ‘16 campaign.

//

Obviously. Nothing rhymed in that story.

127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:41:26pm

re: #123 engineer dog

i’ve witnessed a common dodge that you see a lot of in the teabag parties: “i’m not predjudiced because i except you from my general condemnation of people of your ethnic as overwhelmingly having bad characteristics”, as they show off the non-wasp fellow member of the teabag party standing next to them

as a hebrew, i’ve sometimes been told that they have nothing against me - it’s those other jews who are either millionaires or communists, but in any case want to own all the money in the world

Sounds familiar.

Classic tokenism.

Only works on other dumb bigots. They resent us for seeing through them.

128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:44:26pm

re: #125 allegro

As a woman, I’ve heard that all my life as well. “Well YOU are different, not like other women.” I assume that’s meant as some kind of compliment… or something.

Yeah until you/we make that one false move (I’ve found, defending yourself from some assault of theirs will do the trick.) Then you will get the Colin-Condi treatment, post haste.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:44:46pm

I hate those “copy and paste” facebook posts; but I liked this one.

I was going to complain about how hot it is, then I realized that at least:
1.) it isn’t 115 degrees;
2.) I’m not 5,700 miles from home;
3.) I’m not dressed in a full BDU uniform & helmet and carrying 70+ lbs.;
4.) there’s very little chance that anyone will shoot at me or that I could drive over a bomb in the road today.

130 elizajane  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:45:14pm

re: #125 allegro

As a woman, I’ve heard that all my life as well. “Well YOU are different, not like other women.” I assume that’s meant as some kind of compliment… or something.

Several of my Dutch friends told me, in the days of GWB and the Iraq war, “But we don’t think of you as American at all!” And however much I disagreed with what our administration was doing, that line never, ever felt good to me.

131 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:49:09pm

Cripes. My connection s-u-c-k-s! Stupid AT&T. Disconnected three times today already. Slower than mollases and the “signal strength” says “very good”. BS!

Back later or something.

132 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:49:11pm

re: #128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah until you/we make that one false move (I’ve found, defending yourself from some assault of theirs will do the trick.) Then you will get the Colin-Condi treatment, post haste.

I have a whole arsenal of fun responses to those. When I’m called a bitch I smile and say “Thank you! I really appreciate it that you recognize that I won’t roll over for your bullshit!” Or when called a slut: “Thanks! Isn’t it great that a woman can own her sexuality these days and refuse to fuck assholes like you?”

Like that.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:49:14pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: Hitler was GAY!

/facepalm

Anglican Bishop Shelby Spong: St Paul was gay!!!

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

The Rev Spong makes a strong case that St Paul’s theology was that of a self-loathing, repressed homosexual. Really goes a long way to explaining a lot of Christianty’s warped thinking towards homosexuality and heterosexuality in general.

134 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:51:00pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Cripes. My connection s-u-c-k-s! Stupid AT&T. Disconnected three times today already. Slower than mollases and the “signal strength” says “very good”. BS!

Back later or something.

Sounds like my Optimum connection.

135 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:51:54pm

The last two parts for my new PC arrived today. Put everything together and now the long wait as Windows installs. Happy day.

136 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:54:28pm

re: #132 allegro

I have a whole arsenal of fun responses to those. When I’m called a bitch I smile and say “Thank you! I really appreciate it that you recognize that I won’t roll over for your bullshit!” Or when called a slut: “Thanks! Isn’t it great that a woman can own her sexuality these days and refuse to fuck assholes like you?”

Like that.

“You’re never gonna get what you want” often does the trick for me.

When they persist, “you’re never, EVER, gonna get what you want.” rotfl

137 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:56:30pm

My craptastic job don’t seem so bad after looking at this:


Long-Term Unemployment, by State

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:57:06pm

re: #132 allegro

Or when called a slut: “Thanks! Isn’t it great that a woman can own her sexuality these days and refuse to fuck assholes like you?”

Remember the man’s definitinon of a slut: “A woman who sleeps with everybody but you”

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:59:01pm

re: #130 elizajane

Several of my Dutch friends told me, in the days of GWB and the Iraq war, “But we don’t think of you as American at all!” And however much I disagreed with what our administration was doing, that line never, ever felt good to me.

I’ve had a couple of Europeans tell me “You don’t seem very American.” They can’t seem to grasp why this doesn’t fill me with joy. Doesn’t everyone just YEARN to seem as non-American as they can?

(English folks who openly discuss their stereotypes of Americans as though they were God’s own truth, and assure you that you’re not like THAT if you object or attempt to educate, are not my favorite folks.)

140 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:59:32pm

re: #133 ralphieboy

Anglican Bishop Shelby Spong: St Paul was gay!!!

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

The Rev Spong makes a strong case that St Paul’s theology was that of a self-loathing, repressed homosexual. Really goes a long way to explaining a lot of Christianty’s warped thinking towards homosexuality and heterosexuality in general.

That actually dates back to the 80s.

Much ado made of Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” comments. See? Biblical exegesis can be fun!

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:02:06pm

re: #138 ralphieboy

Remember the man’s definitinon of a slut: “A woman who sleeps with everybody anybody but you”

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:03:06pm

re: #135 JasonA

The last two parts for my new PC arrived today. Put everything together and now the long wait as Windows installs. Happy day.

I try to encourage people to build their own PC’s , usually without much luck. It;s really pretty easy. Tab A into slot B etc, a couple dip switch settings, etc. I’m not the most tech savvy guy and even I can do it. Beats the hell out of buying something off the rack and much cheaper too.

143 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:03:15pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve had a couple of Europeans tell me “You don’t seem very American.”

Meaning “You do not sorrespond to the cultural sterotype of AMericans I have developed from exposure to GI’s, tourists and bad American TV shows”.

144 Political Atheist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:03:16pm

re: #135 JasonA

The last two parts for my new PC arrived today. Put everything together and now the long wait as Windows installs. Happy day.

New PC? Always nice. 64bit?

145 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:03:37pm

re: #138 ralphieboy

Remember the man’s definitinon of a slut: “A woman who sleeps with everybody but you”

Exactly!

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:03:42pm

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


thanks for fixing that, I knew something was off

147 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:04:22pm

Has West ordered his troops to savagely beat her into apologizing to him then fired a gun at her head yet or does that only work in Iraq

148 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:09:06pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I try to encourage people to build their own PC’s , usually without much luck. It;s really pretty easy. Tab A into slot B etc, a couple dip switch settings, etc. I’m not the most tech savvy guy and even I can do it. Beats the hell out of buying something off the rack and much cheaper too.

Yeah, some people think it’s an arcane form of alchemy or something. Not like you have to break out the soldering iron anymore. When I was younger, opening the PC was always nerve-wracking, like I was defusing a bomb or something. Now it’s just fun.

And I’ve come to expect those little glitches that always seem to come up. Like the PC not powering on, opening the case, and discover that I yanked the hd led, power and reset switched loose while gathering my cables together :-/

Or hearing a clicking noise after finally turning it on only to discover that the cable for the CPU fan is too close to the large case fan on top :-/

But yeah.. fun!!! :D

149 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:10:25pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I try to encourage people to build their own PC’s , usually without much luck. It;s really pretty easy. Tab A into slot B etc, a couple dip switch settings, etc. I’m not the most tech savvy guy and even I can do it. Beats the hell out of buying something off the rack and much cheaper too.

I’ve been evangelizing this idea as well to all my friends. It’s not that hard, and its empowering. All it takes is the ability to follow instructions, a couple of small screwdrivers, and an afternoon of your time.

In return you get to save a lot of money, and you have a lot better idea how it works so that when something breaks, you are much more confident in fixing it.

+1

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:10:53pm

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Only works on other dumb bigots. They resent us for seeing through them.

And un-ironically claim you’re the one being a bigot when you point it out to them.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:12:01pm

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

And un-ironically claim you’re the one being a bigot when you point it out to them.


That is their defense when they get called out on their thinly-veiled dogwhistling: that they are victims of character assassination or attempts to stifle their Freedom of Expression.

152 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:12:12pm

re: #149 Fozzie Bear

I’ve been evangelizing this idea as well to all my friends. It’s not that hard, and its empowering. All it takes is the ability to follow instructions, a couple of small screwdrivers, and an afternoon of your time.

In return you get to save a lot of money, and you have a lot better idea how it works so that when something breaks, you are much more confident in fixing it.

+1

Speaking of which… it looks like we’re up and running!

Now to shove in that ethernet cable and wait some more for Windows update to do its thing.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:12:33pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I try to encourage people to build their own PC’s , usually without much luck. It;s really pretty easy. Tab A into slot B etc, a couple dip switch settings, etc. I’m not the most tech savvy guy and even I can do it. Beats the hell out of buying something off the rack and much cheaper too.

BOOTSTRAPS!!!

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:13:15pm

re: #143 ralphieboy

Meaning “You do not sorrespond to the cultural sterotype of AMericans I have developed from exposure to GI’s, tourists and bad American TV shows”.

And I’m sure I stereotype like crazy myself at times…but these are well-educated, well-traveled people, for the most part, and it’s irritating.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:17:51pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

And I’m sure I stereotype like crazy myself at times…but these are well-educated, well-traveled people, for the most part, and it’s irritating.


I have found that the level of education and experience still does not overcome their cultural conditioning.

And some of it has to do with the fact that their parents’ generation admired and emulated America, and they are being rebelliohs ob rejecting everything their own parents stood for.

Part of it is their education, especially the Germans are all but indocrinated to “think critically”, which means to reject whatever forces are dominant, as the USA is a dominant force in politics, industry, trade and culture.

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:18:48pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve had a couple of Europeans tell me “You don’t seem very American.” They can’t seem to grasp why this doesn’t fill me with joy. Doesn’t everyone just YEARN to seem as non-American as they can?

Just hand ‘em one of these.

157 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:20:34pm

re: #148 JasonA

I think it was helpful to me that I started with an Apple II when I was a kid. You could easily life up the top and see all the innards. IIRC it came with a schematic that was technically over my head but I could still identify the memory, CPU, chip set, etc.

158 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:22:41pm

OT:
We’re closing in on power records for the NY ISO and PJM grids:
4:10 PM - and the PJM is showing 158,122 MW while NY ISO is showing 33257.8 MW. In both instances, they’ve exceeded their usage estimates from earlier in the day, and we’ve still got another two hours before the usage slides back. Power usage is expected to be even higher as we go into the weekend meaning that the odds for power problems will increase in the next few days as equipment folds under the severe heat and could cause localized brownouts and blackouts.

PJM had forecast usage would peak at 154,300 MW on Thursday, which is much higher than the 149,000 MW peak the grid forecast for this summer but still below the 158,448 MW peak record set in August 2006.

New York ISO, which operates the state’s grid expected that usage would hit 33,200 MW Thursday, which is higher than the 32,700 MW peak the grid forecast for the summer but still a little shy of the 33,939 MW peak record set in August 2006. The NY ISO peak record is in reach, if not today then tomorrow or this weekend as temperatures rise even higher.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:23:01pm

re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth

Just hand ‘em one of these.

Just about covers it.

(Although my favorite moment of European weirdness about America, ever, had nothing to do with people, really. A Slovakian classmate in London looked at my Sierra Club datebook, turned to a picture of some scenic location, and told me, sincerely, that he had not realized there were places in the United States that weren’t paved over.)

160 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:23:32pm

re: #149 Fozzie Bear

I’ve been evangelizing this idea as well to all my friends. It’s not that hard, and its empowering. All it takes is the ability to follow instructions, a couple of small screwdrivers, and an afternoon of your time.

In return you get to save a lot of money, and you have a lot better idea how it works so that when something breaks, you are much more confident in fixing it.

+1

not me…I love the smell of a new PC

161 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:23:47pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Okay, I’ll turn one of my computers off.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:24:00pm

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

Gallup chief puzzled by Obama’s poll numbers

Washington

Compared with other recent presidents, President Obama’s approval numbers are “overperforming,” given the struggling economy and Americans’ low levels of satisfaction with the direction of the country, says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll.

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:25:02pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

I was talking to another American about different burger chains: Wendy’s, Carl’s Junior, White Castle, Jack-in-the-Box, and a German told me she was surprised that there were more than just McD and Burger King…

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:26:15pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh, and that’s where the “there are really stupid people in your country, too.” comes in. You met one of theirs.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:27:00pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

Gallup chief puzzled by Obama’s poll numbers

Washington

Compared with other recent presidents, President Obama’s approval numbers are “overperforming,” given the struggling economy and Americans’ low levels of satisfaction with the direction of the country, says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll.


Americans are also aware of the role of the GOP in bringing about America’s current state of affairs. Although the President takes a disproportionate share of responsibility for such matters, it shows that Americans do not have such short memories or narrowly ideological viewpoints as some suspect.

Especially the GOP

166 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:28:00pm

re: #160 albusteve

not me…I love the smell of a new PC

The parts smell the same way! It’s a win/win.

167 prairiefire  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:28:47pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Honestly, there was a cool breeze in the City yesterday. Open the windows on the 37th floor!

168 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:29:17pm

re: #163 ralphieboy

The big name burger joints suck in comparison to Five Guys and In and Out (though I’ve never had an In and Out to know first-hand.)

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:29:44pm

re: #166 Fozzie Bear

Off the shelf or built yourself, they’re all silicony on the inside.

170 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:30:54pm

re: #149 Fozzie Bear

…a couple of small screwdrivers…

That right there has already exceeded my mechanical aptitude.

171 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:31:09pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

I think it was helpful to me that I started with an Apple II when I was a kid. You could easily life up the top and see all the innards. IIRC it came with a schematic that was technically over my head but I could still identify the memory, CPU, chip set, etc.

My first computer was a Timex Sinclair 1000.
I was in a two year tech program at a community college and a buddy and I designed, built and even sold an EPROM programmer that connected to the back connector of the 1000 or the 16K RAM pack. Two-sided circuit card we had manufactured - we stuffed and soldered the boards ourselves, with a white lettered silkscreened black enclosure.

/i could ‘ave been a contender…

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:31:52pm

re: #168 lawhawk

The big name burger joints suck in comparison to Five Guys and In and Out (though I’ve never had an In and Out to know first-hand.)


But it is like American TV: most of the US shows that are challenging, topical and nuanced simply do not translate well, linguistically or culturally, but the stoopid slapstick ones come over well enough to clutter their air time.

Al Bundy has a big cult following in Germany, as do the Golden Girls.

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:32:33pm

re: #168 lawhawk

The big name burger joints suck in comparison to Five Guys and In and Out (though I’ve never had an In and Out to know first-hand.)

In and Out. All fresh, never frozen, and they cut the potatoes right there, not pull them frozen and pre-treated out of a bag.

Yeah, definitely much better than any of the bigger fast food chains. Better prices, too, for what you’re getting. If you find yourself in the central valley near me, I’ll take you out for one.

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:32:45pm

re: #168 lawhawk

The big name burger joints suck in comparison to Five Guys and In and Out (though I’ve never had an In and Out to know first-hand.)

Here in Portland the food carts have been amazing. They are all over the place an having so much competition means that the quality is generally very high and prices are very reasonable. I don;t know how long this food cart craze is going to last but I love it.

175 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:32:57pm

re: #168 lawhawk

The big name burger joints suck in comparison to Five Guys and In and Out (though I’ve never had an In and Out to know first-hand.)

In and Out is awesome.

176 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:33:52pm

For the science/infrastructure geeks:

PJM real time power monitoring: [Link: www.pjm.com…]
NY ISO monitoring: [Link: www.nyiso.com…]

PJM is at 158,420 (just shy of its record)
NY ISO is at 33,399.2 MW

177 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:34:01pm

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

178 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:34:40pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

Hooray!

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:34:45pm

re: #172 ralphieboy

But it is like American TV: most of the US shows that are challenging, topical and nuanced simply do not translate well, linguistically or culturally, but the stoopid slapstick ones come over well enough to clutter their air time.

Good. I’ll label that one “Revenge for sending us Benny Hill shows”.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:34:55pm

There’s a baby epidemic in my family and immediate friends.

I remember Stephen Wright’s baby diary…

Day 1, “Still tired from the move.”
Day 2, “Everyone talks to me like I’m an idiot.”

181 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:35:11pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

We’ve got some great local burger joints here - including White Manna (slider style) in Hackensack and Dutch House in Fair Lawn. Both are quite good and don’t mess around with the basics.

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:35:26pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.


Now it’s time to overclock all the things and see what happens!

183 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:36:09pm

re: #177 JasonA

Nice. I’m eagerly awaiting a new ‘puter in the next week. Thing I’m waiting most for is the twin 23 in screens :)

184 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:36:34pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Now it’s time to overclock all the things and see what happens!

I’ve never been into overclocking. I’d rather this last a while.

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:36:36pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Here in Portland the food carts have been amazing. They are all over the place an having so much competition means that the quality is generally very high and prices are very reasonable. I don;t know how long this food cart craze is going to last but I love it.

That almost sounds like you’re advocating free-market competition. Careful, comrade.
/

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:36:47pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

boom :)

187 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:37:41pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Now it’s time to overclock all the things and see what happens!

LOL, that reminds me of a Socket A o/c experience….

What a smoke test!

188 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:38:20pm

first things first…the Silk Pony gets clipped for over $2m…his troubles are just beginning…
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

189 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:38:55pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

I under clock mine so it won’t make the other computers feel inadequate.
/riiight

190 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:39:11pm

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

Good. I’ll label that one “Revenge for sending us Benny Hill shows”.

But without Benny Hill what music would we play over anything while undercranking it to make it instantly hilarious?

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:39:32pm

re: #188 albusteve

I hate to admit it, but I am enjoying watching the worm squirm.

192 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:41:05pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

This post has that new computer smell!

OT but hilarious: Marcus Bachmann’s clinic overrun by barbarians.

Best line of the video: After learning that Bachmann wasn’t there, the lead barbarian says ‘Oh, well, Marcus isn’t coming out today.’

Heh heh heh.

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:41:18pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

If it weren’t for Benny Hill, I would have had to wait a lot longer to know what British tit’s looked like.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:41:58pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

If it weren’t for Benny Hill, I would have had to wait a lot longer to know what British tit’s looked like.

And you know what a “titish Brit” looks like too!

195 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:43:00pm

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hate to admit it, but I am enjoying watching the worm squirm.

he’s totally baked…if he were in jail, he’s be on suicide watch

196 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:43:08pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

If it weren’t for Benny Hill, I would have had to wait a lot longer to know what British tit’s looked like.

This will cheer you up!

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:43:34pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

Where would Seth have gotten this idea?

198 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:44:17pm

re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth

If it weren’t for Benny Hill, I would have had to wait a lot longer to know what British tit’s looked like.

a perfect LGF joke

199 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:44:25pm

OT, but has anything new come out of the News Corp. scandal?

200 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:44:35pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

Now overclock it to a 4Ghz monster! (Just kidding, don’t do this unless you have a really good cooling system, know what you are doing, and actually need it to be faster)

Overclocking is a good way to squeeze power of of older hardware in a pinch, and if done properly, won’t damage anything. The machine i’ve been using for the past few years is a 3Ghz (stock) OC’d to 3.4Ghz. It makes a big difference for gaming and compiling large programs. For everything else, the difference isn’t really noticeable.

201 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:46:10pm

re: #184 JasonA

I’ve never been into overclocking. I’d rather this last a while.

If you don’t get overzealous, and have a good cooling system, the risk is low. Really. (I.e., don’t try to shoot for 5Ghz on an air-cooled system unless you want an expensive paperweight)

202 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:46:53pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course I was speaking of Mr. Hill himself when I used the phrase “British tit”.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:47:49pm

re: #196 jamesfirecat

Gosh, I hope that really does happen with a yakety soundtrack!

204 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:48:58pm

re: #173 Slumbering Behemoth

In and Out. All fresh, never frozen, and they cut the potatoes right there, not pull them frozen and pre-treated out of a bag.

Yeah, definitely much better than any of the bigger fast food chains. Better prices, too, for what you’re getting. If you find yourself in the central valley near me, I’ll take you out for one.

I’ve been to the one in Merced.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:49:12pm

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course I was speaking of Mr. Hill himself when I used the phrase “British tit”.

Funny. When I used the phrase “Titish Brit”, I meant him too!

206 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:51:03pm

Following a one-day trial and four-hour deliberation, a six-panel Angelina County jury concluded Sauceda was guilty of resisting arrest on March 15, 2009, while being pepper-sprayed, shot with a pepper ball gun and wrestled to the ground by nine Lufkin Police officers in his own living room, according to testimony.

resisting arrest for supposedly burglarizing his own home….good grief, what a fucked up country

[Link: lufkindailynews.com…]

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

welcome to the Fraternal Order of Fast Windows Boxes :D

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:51:38pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

The one I occasionally go to has the most cheerful employees I’ve ever seen in a burger joint. It’s really odd, but not at all unpleasant.

209 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:55:11pm

IBD: What’s the single biggest impediment to job growth today?
Bernie Marcus: Red over rules.
Marcus: The U.S. government. Having built a small business into a big one, I can tell you that today the impediments that the government imposes are impossible to deal with. Home Depot would never have succeeded if we’d tried to start it today. Every day you see rules and regulations from a group of Washington bureaucrats who know nothing about running a business. And I mean every day. It’s become stifling.

another idiot borrower that don’t know shit criticizes the BO admin….where do these hacks come from?…yesterday Steve Wynn, now this guy

[Link: www.investors.com…]

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:56:17pm

re: #206 albusteve

Following a one-day trial and four-hour deliberation, a six-panel Angelina County jury concluded Sauceda was guilty of resisting arrest on March 15, 2009, while being pepper-sprayed, shot with a pepper ball gun and wrestled to the ground by nine Lufkin Police officers in his own living room, according to testimony.

resisting arrest for supposedly burglarizing his own home…good grief, what a fucked up country

[Link: lufkindailynews.com…]

What county or state was it where the local court recently ruled that the police can enter your house without a warrant? I can’t recall.

211 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:58:16pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

What county or state was it where the local court recently ruled that the police can enter your house without a warrant? I can’t recall.

not sure…but at that point I guess I’m going down in a blaze of buckshot

212 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:02:09pm

If the cops burst into your house, it doesn’t really matter if they have a right to be there or not, at least in terms of how you should react.

Just put your hands on your head, ask to speak to your attorney, go quietly, and STFU. Its really the smartest thing to do whether you are guilty as hell or have no clue why they are there. There isn’t a scenario where resisting will help you.

The part where you sort out if your rights were violated comes later. That’s what the court date is for.

I have lost count of how many cases I saw at the law firm I worked at where people made their situation much, much worse by flipping out when the cops came. It never, ever helps.

213 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:04:50pm

re: #212 Fozzie Bear

If the cops burst into your house, it doesn’t really matter if they have a right to be there or not, at least in terms of how you should react.

Just put your hands on your head, ask to speak to your attorney, go quietly, and STFU. Its really the smartest thing to do whether you are guilty as hell or have no clue why they are there. There isn’t a scenario where resisting will help you.

The part where you sort out if your rights were violated comes later. That’s what the court date is for.

I have lost count of how many cases I saw at the law firm I worked at where people made their situation much, much worse by flipping out when the cops came. It never, ever helps.

LOL!

214 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:04:52pm

re: #212 Fozzie Bear

Of course that’s what’s smartest to do.

That’s got nothing to do with the ‘rights’ argument.

215 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:07:18pm

*sigh* Having fun with display drivers…

216 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:12:36pm

re: #212 Fozzie Bear

If the cops burst into your house, it doesn’t really matter if they have a right to be there or not, at least in terms of how you should react.

Just put your hands on your head, ask to speak to your attorney, go quietly, and STFU. Its really the smartest thing to do whether you are guilty as hell or have no clue why they are there. There isn’t a scenario where resisting will help you.

The part where you sort out if your rights were violated comes later. That’s what the court date is for.

I have lost count of how many cases I saw at the law firm I worked at where people made their situation much, much worse by flipping out when the cops came. It never, ever helps.

You forgot the lead portion. If a group of people burst into your home, assume they’re cops.

Which runs, of course, directly into the home protection arguments of handgun owners.

(It’s a no-win situation, sadly.)

217 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:14:05pm

It is vitally important for the mainstream media to maintain that negative image of Bush and to solidify their depiction of Obama as the epitome of intellectual prowess and awesomeness.

BO is the Golden Prince…beyond criticism, or else
pretty funny blurb here, something to think about….not!

[Link: www.irishexaminerusa.com…]

218 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:17:37pm

re: #217 albusteve

That writer’s a bit of a wingnut there, Steve. Is that what you meant?

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:19:30pm

re: #217 albusteve

It is vitally important for the mainstream media to maintain that negative image of Bush and to solidify their depiction of Obama as the epitome of intellectual prowess and awesomeness.

BO is the Golden Prince…beyond criticism, or else
pretty funny blurb here, something to think about…not!

[Link: www.irishexaminerusa.com…]

All sorry and hackneyed talking points: the techniqueof first finding glowing, even fawning quotes from his admirers, building Obama up as some sort of infallible idol so he can show that he has feet of clay.

220 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:19:54pm

re: #218 Obdicut

That writer’s a bit of a wingnut there, Steve. Is that what you meant?

heh…I think you make his point

221 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:21:23pm

re: #220 albusteve

heh…I think you make his point

Her, not his, point is that Obama is actually dumb.

What does what I said have to do with that, Steve?

I’m calling her a wingnut for stuff like this:

Don’t let the doomsayers fool you. Our constitution allows us to take back a government on the road to destruction from our inner enemies.

Those inner enemies, of course, are the Democrats, who she placed 100% of the blame for the financial meltdown on.

Whack-o.

222 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:22:25pm

re: #216 kirkspencer

You forgot the lead portion. If a group of people burst into your home, assume they’re cops.

Which runs, of course, directly into the home protection arguments of handgun owners.

(It’s a no-win situation, sadly.)

Sadly, you have a point. No-knock police searches should be, imho, illegal for this exact reason. Unfortunately, they aren’t illegal, at least in PA.

Look up “John Hirko”. He was shot 11 times (9 times in the back) and his house was burnt down, with him in it. A classic no-knock search case. Door bursts open, defendant may have fired a single shot immediately after entry (this is disputed). In any event, the guy had no way of knowing that it was the police, because they didn’t identify themselves.

224 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:22:49pm

Following Friday’s announcement that the “American Idol” judge, 41, split from her husband of seven years, Marc Anthony, Lopez wasted no time getting back to what she does best. She performed Tuesday night at the wedding of oil tycoon Azam Aslamov’s son in Ukraine, the country’s local newspaper Segodnya confirms.

she sang and danced for a cool mil….the celebristocricy in action

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:23:16pm

Reminds me of the guy who was arrested for cashing a check while black

Cashing a check DRAWN by chase, AT a Chase branch, his own bank of course! But you know, suspicious black guy! Throw him in jail to be sure, make sure he loses his job ad his car in the process, America fuck yeah

where’s Ronald Reagan, he’d know how to stop these guys from cashing checks

226 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:23:23pm

Testing uno, dos, tres.

227 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:23:31pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

Is this what you are wondering about?

228 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:24:08pm

Cuatro. Cinco. Seis. Siete. Ocho. Nueve. Diez.

229 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:24:10pm

re: #221 Obdicut

Her, not his, point is that Obama is actually dumb.

What does what I said have to do with that, Steve?

I’m calling her a wingnut for stuff like this:

Those inner enemies, of course, are the Democrats, who she placed 100% of the blame for the financial meltdown on.

Whack-o.

it’s fun time…lighten up

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:24:34pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

oh indiana

231 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:24:57pm

BEER:27 PM PST

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:25:20pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yes, that’s the one. Thank you.

233 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:25:38pm

Donde estan los ladrones?

234 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:26:33pm

re: #231 Gus 802

BEER:27 PM PST

POP

should auld acquaintance be forgot,,,,,

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:26:56pm

re: #233 Gus 802

Probably making off with your beer.

236 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:27:59pm

Good afternoon, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

237 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:28:24pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good afternoon, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?

Grease.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:28:25pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Gravel.

239 Political Atheist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:28:39pm

re: #224 albusteve

the celebristocricy


Heh, That’s a keeper.

240 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:28:52pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Oh, how the righteous have fallen.

241 Political Atheist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:29:42pm

re: #177 JasonA

And first post from my 3.4 ghz monster. Installing Win 7 was rather quick and painless from what I remember of previous versions.

I really like 7. Everything just works. Stable.

242 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:29:58pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

Gravel.

Praise be to it!

243 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:30:50pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

Gravel.

Are taking this road again?

244 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:31:09pm

Porsche Design now makes… hookahs

245 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:32:59pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Porsche Design now makes… hookahs

0 to stoned in under 6 seconds!

246 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:33:19pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

Are taking this road again?

boredom, just driving in circles….the bar is at an all time low

247 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:33:48pm

re: #246 albusteve

boredom, just driving in circles...the bar is at an all time low

I’ll drink to that!

248 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:34:28pm

re: #240 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, how the righteous have fallen.

But. But. What about grease pits and Gravel pits? Or grease on the Gravel?

249 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:34:41pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

0 to stoned in under 6 seconds!

LOL!…
but don’t call it a bong….how much?

250 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:34:43pm

re: #241 Rightwingconspirator

I really like 7. Everything just works. Stable.

Aside from a little trouble with the newest ATI driver (screen would go black and not come on again, making me roll back) everything’s smooth as butter here.

251 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:34:56pm

re: #248 Gus 802

But. But. What about grease pits and Gravel pits? Or grease on the Gravel?

Thats a slippery slope

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:35:12pm

re: #250 JasonA

Aside from a little trouble with the newest ATI driver (screen would go black and not come on again, making me roll back) everything’s smooth as butter here.

ATi drivers :(

253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:35:44pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Porsche Design now makes… hookahs

Way cool. The author doesn’t seem to know much about hookah tobacco or how those things are used. I don’t think I’d ever try smoking weed the way you’d typically use a hookah.

254 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:36:10pm

re: #231 Gus 802

Your Late. Beer 1300 MDT.

255 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:36:26pm

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, that’s the one. Thank you.

Your Welcome.

256 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:36:36pm

re: #248 Gus 802

But. But. What about grease pits and Gravel pits? Or grease on the Gravel?

I’m going to pretend you did not say that, brother.

257 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:37:01pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s Beer Thirty.

258 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:37:51pm

re: #257 Bubblehead II

It’s Beer Thirty.

Which would mean something to me if I drank. But I don’t, so I think I’ll refill my glass of iced tea instead.

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:38:28pm

All this talk of beer is making me horny. No, wait. Thirsty.

BBL

260 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:38:38pm

re: #258 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which would mean something to me if I drank. But I don’t, so I think I’ll refill my glass of iced tea instead.

AT least we have a designated driver!

261 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:38:40pm

re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m going to pretend you did not say that, brother.

Let Gravel be praised mon. Here, toke on this spliff mon make things better…

Igziabeher
Let Gravel be praised
Negusa neghast
Let Gravel be praised
Me don e-ah lamb

Let Gravel be praised
Let him be praised(3x)

He watereth the hills
From his chambers
And the earth is satisfied
So satisfied
He maketh the grass to grow for animals
Gravel made the herb for man(3x)

Fret not thyself
Because of evildoers
Neither be thou envious
Against the workers of inequity
For they shall soon be cut down
Cut down like grass
And they shall wither like corn

Let Gravel arise
And let all his enemies be scattered
Let them that hate Gravel
Now scat up shut up butt up and flat up
As the smoke was driven away
Gravel, drive them away
As the rocks melted
Let them be melted Gravel-Gravel

Igziabeher
Let Gravel be praised
You don e-ah lamb
Let Gravel be praised
Negusa neghast
Let Gravel be praised
Let him be praised(4x)

Ahh…lightning
Earthquake
Brimstone
For the fire

I said lightning
Brimstone and fire
Igziabeher

Weakheart scat up shut up flat up and butt out
I feel it
Weakheart feel it
Kill them dead before them spread…

262 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:38:56pm

re: #209 albusteve

IBD: What’s the single biggest impediment to job growth today?
Bernie Marcus: Red over rules.
Marcus: The U.S. government. Having built a small business into a big one, I can tell you that today the impediments that the government imposes are impossible to deal with. Home Depot would never have succeeded if we’d tried to start it today. Every day you see rules and regulations from a group of Washington bureaucrats who know nothing about running a business. And I mean every day. It’s become stifling.

another idiot borrower that don’t know shit criticizes the BO admin…where do these hacks come from?…yesterday Steve Wynn, now this guy

[Link: www.investors.com…]

Why dont either of these guys list any specifics? What exactly has Obama done to make business so difficult?

263 jvic  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:39:30pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

What county or state was it where the local court recently ruled that the police can enter your house without a warrant? I can’t recall.

You’re probably thinking of Barnes v. Indiana. The state Supreme Court ruled you have no right to resist police who are in your home illegally. They went out of their way to say that because the case involved a legal police intrusion.

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:39:33pm

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

Way cool. The author doesn’t seem to know much about hookah tobacco or how those things are used. I don’t think I’d ever try smoking weed the way you’d typically use a hookah.

Hookahs are designed for smoking tobacco - or hashish mixed with tobacco, but not weed.

265 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:39:37pm

The power and the glory of Gravel mon.

Let Gravel arise
And let all his enemies be scattered
Let them that hate Gravel
Now scat up shut up butt up and flat up
As the smoke was driven away
Gravel, drive them away
As the rocks melted
Let them be melted Gravel-Gravel

266 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:41:02pm

re: #265 Gus 802

You really need to get a hobby!!

//

267 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:41:03pm

What? No Peter Tosh fans? ;)

268 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:41:22pm

re: #262 blueraven

Why dont either of these guys list any specifics? What exactly has Obama done to make business so difficult?

Same thing as ever: Not dropped trou and grabbed his ankles. As long as America is even a little better than China or India, we’re “stifling” economic development and “imposing costs” on expansion.

269 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:41:22pm

re: #267 Gus 802

What? No Peter Tosh fans? ;)

I Tish at your Tosh!

270 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:41:52pm

re: #267 Gus 802

What? No Peter Tosh fans? ;)

yeah, but what’s that got to do with your new obsession?

271 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:42:53pm

re: #262 blueraven

Why dont either of these guys list any specifics? What exactly has Obama done to make business so difficult?

They’re having trouble finding places to put all of those record profits.

272 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:43:08pm

re: #262 blueraven

Why dont either of these guys list any specifics? What exactly has Obama done to make business so difficult?


Think of all the hindrances the government imposes on business expansion: having to pay workers enough to live on, allowing them time off to raise families, providing them with a safe, non-toxic working environmnet.

Remember, labor is just another cost factor to be minimized, like toner toilet paper or staples.

These f*ckers do not believe a word of this, they are just promoting their own interests, but they know full well that there are a lot of people who still think in terms of “job creators” being impeded by taxes and regulations.

273 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:43:32pm

re: #270 albusteve

yeah, but what’s that got to do with your new obsession?

OUR new obsession. Get on board you agravelist!

274 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:45:42pm

re: #273 Gus 802

OUR new obsession. Get on board you agravelist!

I’m an outsider

275 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:46:18pm

re: #273 Gus 802

You can’t expect to melt that flinty heart. Chalk it up to him being a stick in the mud. Not everyone starts with a clean slate. He’s an old rock-and-roll guy, but a gritty gem nonetheless.

276 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:47:34pm

re: #275 Obdicut

You can’t expect to melt that flinty heart. Chalk it up to him being a stick in the mud. Not everyone starts with a clean slate. He’s an old rock-and-roll guy, but a gritty gem nonetheless.

He’s like sand in my gears.

277 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:47:57pm

re: #272 ralphieboy

Think of all the hindrances the government imposes on business expansion: having to pay workers enough to live on, allowing them time off to raise families, providing them with a safe, non-toxic working environmnet.

Remember, labor is just another cost factor to be minimized, like toner toilet paper or staples.

These f*ckers do not believe a word of this, they are just promoting their own interests, but they know full well that there are a lot of people who still think in terms of “job creators” being impeded by taxes and regulations.

so why is our economy in the tank?

278 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:49:41pm

re: #274 albusteve

I’m an outsider

OK, no problem…

re: #229 albusteve

it’s fun time…lighten up

279 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:50:17pm

re: #271 allegro

They’re having trouble finding places to put all of those record profits.

Maybe they dont like that Obama has deported more illegal workers than Bush did. You know Steve Winn probably doesn’t like that at all. I mean it is cutting into his profit if he has to hire legal workers and pay them minimum wage to clean the rooms in his billion dollar casinos.

280 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:50:19pm

re: #278 Gus 802

OK, no problem…

re: #229 albusteve

tooshay

281 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:51:07pm

re: #272 ralphieboy

Think of all the hindrances the government imposes on business expansion: having to pay workers enough to live on, allowing them time off to raise families, providing them with a safe, non-toxic working environmnet.

Remember, labor is just another cost factor to be minimized, like toner toilet paper or staples.

These f*ckers do not believe a word of this, they are just promoting their own interests, but they know full well that there are a lot of people who still think in terms of “job creators” being impeded by taxes and regulations.

When I hear one of the Big Business types or their cheerleaders tell us “It costs too much to do business in America,” it’s always an incomplete sentence. The full version is “It costs too much to do business in America legally.”

282 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:51:13pm

re: #275 Obdicut

You can’t expect to melt that flinty heart. Chalk it up to him being a stick in the mud. Not everyone starts with a clean slate. He’s an old rock-and-roll guy, but a gritty gem nonetheless.

My ex-gf used to call me stick in the mud all the time. Ah well. Maybe it’s true sometimes. But she was this blue blood Englewoodian. Or whatever they’re called. Liberal nonetheless. Think I taught her how to curse when needed.

283 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:54:23pm

re: #277 albusteve

so why is our economy in the tank?


One major factor is that we allowed the financial industry to operate on its own terms and to create and concentrate artificial wealth not based on creating any actual value. The reckoning came due and we are now replacing those artificial billions.

284 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:54:39pm

re: #277 albusteve

so why is our economy in the tank?

Too few people have money to spend.

285 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:56:53pm

re: #284 allegro

Too few people have money to spend.

ding ding ding

286 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:56:59pm

re: #277 albusteve

so why is our economy in the tank?

too many bad bets at the big roulette wheel

287 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:57:24pm

Limbaugh calls the Heat Index a ‘government conspiracy’

Is he back on the drugs, or just an asshole?

288 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:57:33pm

OT: Yeah, who didn’t see this coming…

Boehner: House will compromise on debt limit

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that Republicans controlling the chamber are willing to compromise on legislation increasing the government’s borrowing authority.

“Frankly, I think it would be irresponsible on behalf of the Congress and the president not to be looking at back-up strategies for how to solve this problem,” Boehner said. “At the end of the day, we have a responsibility to act.”

Asked whether GOP lawmakers supporting the House “cut, cap and balance” debt limit measure would be unwilling to ultimately compromise, Boehner said, “I’m sure we’ve got some members who believe that, but I do not believe that would be anywhere close to the majority.

His talk of possible accommodation in the protracted political stalemate over federal budget policy came as the Senate took up the tea party-backed House legislation Thursday. It ties an increase in the government’s borrowing authority to a series of conservative demands, including immediate spending cuts and a constitutional balanced budget amendment.

289 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:57:45pm

Capital follows the path of highest returns, if investors can make more money by exporting jobs abroad, then they will.

I have no problem with third-world industries competing with America on labor costs, that is our impetus to work more efficiently and innovatively.

But if we allow them to compete with us on the basis of lower costs for safety and environmental standards, we are shooting ourselves in the foot and ultimately not doing the third world a favor, either.

290 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:58:06pm

re: #284 allegro

Too few people have money to spend.

More like too much wealth in too few hands.

291 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:58:17pm

Oop. No fun time yet. The economy. Why’s it in the tank.” For that we go to Royal Economist, Densmore Teasdale, of Dryfus Hill Road Northhampshire in Notingham England.

Take it away Harold.

292 bratwurst  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:58:34pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Limbaugh calls the Heat Index a ‘government conspiracy’

Is he back on the drugs, or just an asshole?

Why not both?

293 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:59:33pm

re: #292 bratwurst

Why not both?

Well, we presently have no independent verification of his being back on the drugs.

294 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:59:46pm

Hang on. Let me rub my beard for a couple of more minutes and I’ll have an answer.

//

295 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:59:48pm

re: #6 Charles

Repost from previous thread:

If someone sends me an email like that, I’ll tell you right up front that I have no compunction at all about making it public. You lose the right to demand privacy for your emails when they’re abusive and insulting.

You lose the right to privacy when you hit the send button.

296 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:01:10pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Limbaugh calls the Heat Index a ‘government conspiracy’

Is he back on the drugs, or just an asshole?

Rush was just born with a congenital birth defect affecting most of his brain mind ass.

//

297 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:02:48pm

travel is my one serious ambition and hobby….now I know why

How Travel Makes You Smarter, Sexier and More Productive

Read more: [Link: inside-digital.blog.lonelyplanet.com…]

298 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:07:49pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Limbaugh calls the Heat Index a ‘government conspiracy’

Is he back on the drugs, or just an asshole?

yes

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:08:08pm

re: #297 albusteve

Well shit brother, you better get started right away. You got a butt load of miles to put behind you, and quick, if you wanna see some positive results.

;)

300 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:08:13pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Rush was just born with a congenital birth defect affecting most of his brain mind ass.

//

sad…he has three ass cheeks due to a split rectum…the silver lining is he can fart in harmony

301 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:08:33pm

re: #287 makeitstop

I’M MELTING! Not. Just another summer day in Southern Idaho. I guess Rush has never heard the saying, it’s not the heat, It’s the humidity.

302 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:08:55pm

re: #277 albusteve

so why is our economy in the tank?

Chapter I:

Afghanistan
Germany
Iraq
Japan
Libya
Mexican Drug Lords
Pakistan
Prisons
Somalia
War on Drugs
Yemen

303 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:09:12pm

re: #299 Slumbering Behemoth

Well shit brother, you better get started right away. You got a butt load of miles to put behind you, and quick, if you wanna see some positive results.

;)

no shit…my home incarceration is soon coming to and end

304 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:10:12pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Limbaugh calls the Heat Index a ‘government conspiracy’

Is he back on the drugs, or just an asshole?

I wish he would go outside in his undies in Minnesota at a balmy zero degrees, and laugh at a wind chill index of 30 below.

305 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:10:22pm

re: #301 Bubblehead II

I’M MELTING! Not. Just another summer day in Southern Idaho. I guess Rush has never heard the saying, it’s not the heat, It’s the humidity.

He lives in a climate-controlled bubble. I’d love to see him have to live like regular folks for a week. He’d be crying like a baby after three days 2 hours.

306 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:10:54pm

re: #300 albusteve

sad…he has three ass cheeks due to a split rectum…the silver lining is he can fart in harmony

I’d give you a ding for that, but I know you don’t like them.

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:12:09pm

re: #300 albusteve

sad…he has three ass cheeks due to a split rectum…the silver lining is he can fart in harmony

“Just like Michelangelo saw the angel in the stone, I can look at a guy like Kevin Costner and see a giant peach grub who can fart ‘The Blue Danube’”

- Elijah C. Skuggs

308 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:14:08pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

“Just like Michelangelo saw the angel in the stone, I can look at a guy like Kevin Costner and see a giant peach grub who can fart ‘The Blue Danube’”

- Elijah C. Skuggs

Did you just google “fart”, or do you memorize stuff like that?

309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:15:04pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

“Just like Michelangelo saw the angel in the stone, I can look at a guy like Kevin Costner and see a giant peach grub who can fart ‘The Blue Danube’”

- Elijah C. Skuggs

Fiddle faddle?

310 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:15:05pm

re: #302 Gus 802

Er have reduced labor to an economic factor and ignored the social factors behind it.

Job creation requires job creators willing to invest, but it also requires a workforce that is educated and trained to fill the jobs. It also reuires a workforce that is healthy and motivated in order to maintain the level of performance needed to remain competitive.

If our workforce is poorly educated, incompetent, unhealthy and undermotivated, nobody is going to benefit in our economy. We cannot ignore the role that the government has to play in order to maintain those conditions.

311 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:15:45pm

re: #308 Naso Tang

Did you just google “fart”, or do you memorize stuff like that?

There are no casual fans of the movie Freaked :D

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:16:09pm

re: #308 Naso Tang

Well, I had to google for the exact quote, but I remember it as one of Randy Quaid’s lines in this movie.

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:17:02pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

Fiddle faddle?

“Dem go into de Den, dem never come out.”

314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:17:37pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

“Dem go into de Den, dem never come out.”

“That’s a lot of milkmen on the same route…no wonder they fight.”

315 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:17:45pm

re: #310 ralphieboy

Er have reduced labor to an economic factor and ignored the social factors behind it.

Job creation requires job creators willing to invest, but it also requires a workforce that is educated and trained to fill the jobs. It also reuires a workforce that is healthy and motivated in order to maintain the level of performance needed to remain competitive.

If our workforce is poorly educated, incompetent, unhealthy and undermotivated, nobody is going to benefit in our economy. We cannot ignore the role that the government has to play in order to maintain those conditions.

Too many people. Not enough work. Even if they were educated we still have? Too many people. No one is going to bring back manufacturing to this country. No if we do want to increase education and focus on education then maybe if we stopped being the unilateral UN every five minutes we could use that money for education here.

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:18:09pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

Fiddle faddle?

And you know I read that in Skuggs’s voice.

317 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:18:38pm

Feeding this Superman/Batman super hero complex Americans have costs billions of dollars. Most of what we’ve already done hasn’t even been payed for and is still debt.

318 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:19:29pm

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If Americans want to keep saving the world then they’re going to have to expect less of their lives and pay more in taxes to keep fighting everyone elses wars.

319 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:19:47pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Welcome to Comic Con.

320 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:20:20pm

re: #312 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I had to google for the exact quote, but I remember it as one of Randy Quaid’s lines in this movie.

I will have to try to sneak that into my wife’s Netflix list without her knowing.

321 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:20:36pm

re: #320 Naso Tang

I will have to try to sneak that into my wife’s Netflix list without her knowing.

Oh God it’s so awesome

322 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:20:47pm

Murdoch’s Times of London famine cartoon ‘most offensive’ thing yet?

If you thought the outrage over the phone-hacking scandal was starting to die down, The Times of London, one of Rupert Murdoch’s own papers, may have brought it straight back into the spotlight.

An editorial cartoon published Thursday morning in the paper with the title “Priorities” shows starving people in Somalia saying “We’ve had a bellyful of phone-hacking … ” It’s causing quite a firestorm on Twitter.


Image: t1larg.times.cartoon.jpg

323 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:21:22pm

re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth

the number of rastafarian eyeball puns in that movie, it just never ever gets old

Eye ‘n Eye!

324 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:21:28pm

re: #315 Gus 802

maybe if we stopped being the unilateral UN every five minutes we could use that money for education here.

If we were not so dependent on a politically and socially backward part of the world for our energy supplies, we would not have to be so involved in their affairs and could spend a lot less on securing our supplies.

325 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:21:44pm

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326 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:21:47pm

And we rarely do it for humanitarian reasons. Most of the time we do it for business reasons. Yes, hate to say it but we do effectively only go to war for natural resource like oil. Had Libya not been a provider of oil for France we would have ignored what’s going on there. It’s because of the oil. Not. The. People. But that’s a tough nut to crack. Even American atheists are brainwashed into thinking we do this for humanitarian reasons.

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:22:31pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Was that a cartoon created by the Times of London or a cartoon run in syndication?

328 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:22:38pm

re: #324 ralphieboy

If we were not so dependent on a politically and socially backward part of the world for our energy supplies, we would not have to be so involved in their affairs and could spend a lot less on securing our supplies.

That would help. But I’m not seeing it. Most obese Americans still want to drive around in monster SUVs and monster trucks to drive alone.

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:23:21pm

re: #318 Gus 802

The Greatest Generation had to sacrifice and do without many things stateside to support the effort to fight fascists and imperialists abroad. They thought it was worth it, and it was.

No one here today has to sacrifice the way they did, which is why it is said that “America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war. America is at the mall”.

330 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:23:36pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout


Trying to think how that cartoon could be in worse taste.

331 albusteve  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:24:29pm

re: #318 Gus 802

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If Americans want to keep saving the world then they’re going to have to expect less of their lives and pay more in taxes to keep fighting everyone elses wars.

we are at war with ourselves right now….runaway partisanship, perped by the most stupid crop of elected officials in history…American sheep are good people, buy easily led astray, hence the abuse heaped on us by the assholes we are supposed to trust…what we have is a full blown over reaction by the right in retribution for the tax and spend policies of the left…so out cool Cadillac is in the ditch and I blame all of them…but I’m a tad jaded

332 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:24:43pm

re: #326 Gus 802

We should be in a position to put pressure on backward or oppressive regimes to make real progress towards human rights and democracy. Instead, we are too dependent on their good grace, their capital or their natural recources to do anything but mildly voice our disapproval.

333 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:24:43pm

re: #326 Gus 802

And we rarely do it for humanitarian reasons. Most of the time we do it for business reasons. Yes, hate to say it but we do effectively only go to war for natural resource like oil. Had Libya not been a provider of oil for France we would have ignored what’s going on there. It’s because of the oil. Not. The. People. But that’s a tough nut to crack. Even American atheists are brainwashed into thinking we do this for humanitarian reasons.

Oil is a factor but also Q’Daffy’s past history of terrorist attacks in Europe as well as Lybia’s poximity to Europe means he needs to be dealt with. Bush and Blair never should have normalized relations with his. It was a very stupid thing to do.

334 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:25:20pm

re: #330 Obdicut

Trying to think how that cartoon could be in worse taste.

Don’t challenge me like that.
/

335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:25:28pm

re: #320 Naso Tang

I will have to try to sneak that into my wife’s Netflix list without her knowing.

It’s full of low brow humor and excellent one liners. And lot’s of actors you’ll recognize. And Bob Vila.

336 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:25:43pm

bbiaw. Honey Do list to be worked on.

/// I am sooooooo abused……….

337 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:26:17pm

re: #328 Gus 802

That would help. But I’m not seeing it. Most obese Americans still want to drive around in monster SUVs and monster trucks to drive alone.

and as long as it’s cheap to do so, they’ll do so!

I always felt auto licensing fees should be tied to the car’s weight :-)

338 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:26:26pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

Gawd damnit!

339 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:26:58pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Oil is a factor but also Q’Daffy’s past history of terrorist attacks in Europe as well as Lybia’s poximity to Europe means he needs to be dealt with. Bush and Blair never should have normalized relations with his. It was a very stupid thing to do.

OK. Maybe some. But little enough for me to say hardly at all. This wasn’t about Gaddafi. It was about maintaining the supply of oil to European countries — which is where most Libyan oil goes. Namely France which is why they effectively lead the effort. I’m not buying the humanitarian angle. Most of the rebels are in fact anti-American and will remain so after the fighting is done.

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:27:20pm

re: #337 WindUpBird

and as long as it’s cheap to do so, they’ll do so!

I always felt auto licensing fees should be tied to the car’s weight :-)

It is here in Florida.

341 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:27:26pm

re: #328 Gus 802

That would help. But I’m not seeing it. Most obese Americans still want to drive around in monster SUVs and monster trucks to drive alone.


We had a glorious decade in the 80’s with Iraq and iran at war with each other, selling their oil as quickly as they could pump it to finance their military efforts.

That gave us absolutely no impetus to make any moves towards growing less dependent on oil, and we fell badly behind.

We are paying for it now, not only at the pump, but in the level of military engagement that we have worked ourselves into as a result of our dependency.

342 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:27:36pm

re: #326 Gus 802

Even American atheists are brainwashed into thinking we do this for humanitarian reasons.

I’m not brainwashed, but there is a connection between civil society and political/economic stability, even globally. For those who think that is too complicated to explain, it may work just to say it’s a humanitarian thingy.

343 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:28:28pm

re: #337 WindUpBird

and as long as it’s cheap to do so, they’ll do so!

I always felt auto licensing fees should be tied to the car’s weight :-)

empty or loaded?

344 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:28:28pm

re: #337 WindUpBird

and as long as it’s cheap to do so, they’ll do so!

I always felt auto licensing fees should be tied to the car’s weight :-)

I don’t think it makes a difference. Gasoline is still basically 4 bucks around here. That’s expensive. They still drive around in monster trucks. Didn’t even make a dent. And this is California of all places. People are actually more reasonable in what they drive in the real Heartland of America.

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:29:29pm

re: #309 WindUpBird

Fiddle faddle?

And I can never see that product anywhere without hear Skuggs’s voice in my head.

346 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:32:28pm

re: #342 Naso Tang

I’m not brainwashed, but there is a connection between civil society and political/economic stability, even globally. For those who think that is too complicated to explain, it may work just to say it’s a humanitarian thingy.

I was referring to being “our brothers keeper”. Which is something atheists even believe in. I’ll throw in Hitchens into that mix. We are not our brothers keeper. And we don’t do it for altruistic reasons. We do it for money. Money and natural resources. Otherwise there are plenty of other countries we could be invading. And go even deeper in debt. All I see is people trying to rationalize all of these wars and military activity. They’re in denial. That is why we’re broke. We’re broke because we spent trillions on just the two stupid last wars we fought including one that never seems to end in Afghanistan. And that doesn’t include the long term costs of after care for the injured soldiers from these manufactured conflicts.

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:32:41pm

re: #344 Gus 802

Also, if they do it by weight, the gubment will lose tax revenues as weights go down so MPG can meet standards.

348 darthstar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:32:49pm

Dear god…I’m surrounded by a family of gypsies on my flight…They can’t fucking sit still, then the grandfather bitches at me for adjusting my screen in the back of his headset…Oh well…only four hours and I’m home.

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:33:25pm

re: #328 Gus 802

That would help. But I’m not seeing it. Most obese Americans still want to drive around in monster SUVs and monster trucks to drive alone.

Well, they are obese. You can’t really shove them into an economy model. The car couldn’t handle it.

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:33:30pm

re: #348 darthstar

Dear god…I’m surrounded by a family of gypsies on my flight…They can’t fucking sit still, then the grandfather bitches at me for adjusting my screen in the back of his headset…Oh well…only four hours and I’m home.

DRINK!!!

351 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:34:54pm

re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth

The Greatest Generation had to sacrifice and do without many things stateside to support the effort to fight fascists and imperialists abroad. They thought it was worth it, and it was.

No one here today has to sacrifice the way they did, which is why it is said that “America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war. America is at the mall”.

From my reading it happened during WWII as well.

352 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:36:42pm

re: #351 Gus 802

From my reading it happened during WWII as well.

What happened? Deficit spending?

353 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:36:56pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, they are obese. You can’t really shove them into an economy model. The car couldn’t handle it.

Doesn’t have to be a tiny car. A normal sedan would be an improvement. Now, I can’t see anyway of stopping them from switching over. Other than charging them an extra registration fee based on income and MPG of the vehicle. Or something. Heck, I don’t know.

354 justaminute  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:37:17pm

“This afternoon I sat in on a phone call townhall with Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) and you would not believe the amount of senior citizens telling him to agree with raising the debt ceiling. There was a lot of questions on why we were working on the debt legislation at such a fast pace as a pre-condition to raising the debt limit. Most of them were giving a firm “Why did you pass the Ryan Budget? Or “I don’t really like that Ryan guy!” And virtually no one wanted their Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid touched. If I was a Republican I would be worried.”

355 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:37:53pm

re: #352 Slumbering Behemoth

What happened? Deficit spending?

Soldiers were at war and America was at the mall. Not the mall of course.

356 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:37:55pm

re: #351 Gus 802

From my reading it happened during WWII as well.

Yep. Lot of 4-F guys making time with soldier’s sweethearts. Lots of industrialists sons declared essential to the war effort, as well.

The draft was reasonably fair, but not totally fairly applied.

357 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:39:11pm

re: #344 Gus 802

I don’t think it makes a difference. Gasoline is still basically 4 bucks around here. That’s expensive. They still drive around in monster trucks. Didn’t even make a dent. And this is California of all places. People are actually more reasonable in what they drive in the real Heartland of America.

I have an SUV because I’m always lugging equipment to this gig or that. I do consider it a large vehicle, but I’ll park at the supermarket and when I come back out there’ll be another SUV parked next to mine that makes mine look Prius-sized.

I’ll never understand why people need trucks that big. It’s gotta be killing them every time they pull up to the pump.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:40:13pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Soldiers were at war and America was at the mall. Not the mall of course.

Ah. But we haven’t seen rationing stamps for food, clothing, toilet paper, and other house hold goods with any of the wars in the last 60 years.

359 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:40:46pm

re: #357 makeitstop

I have an SUV because I’m always lugging equipment to this gig or that. I do consider it a large vehicle, but I’ll park at the supermarket and when I come back out there’ll be another SUV parked next to mine that makes mine look Prius-sized.

I’ll never understand why people need trucks that big. It’s gotta be killing them every time they pull up to the pump.

Not once do I see these things with a load. They’re just modern day hot rods. No load. Always washed. Always waxed. 10 MPG.

360 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:43:13pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah. But we haven’t seen rationing stamps for food, clothing, toilet paper, and other house hold goods with any of the wars in the last 60 years.

No we haven’t. But compared to what “the boys” were going through in the ETO and particularly the Pacific theater American’s had it easy. So it’s kind of relative. Today’s soldiers don’t face even a tenth of the hardship they saw during WWII.

361 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:43:34pm

re: #356 Obdicut

Yep. Lot of 4-F guys making time with soldier’s sweethearts. Lots of industrialists sons declared essential to the war effort, as well.

The draft was reasonably fair, but not totally fairly applied.

I know of one case of a guy who ran rackets, stealing gasoline, ration cards, etc., and made babies with lonesome wives of soldiers. His son, who looked just like him, was wrongly vilified just for being his son, and looking like him, and having siblings he didn’t find out about until decades later.

362 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:48:17pm

America was never going to be destroyed because of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. It was never going to be destroyed because of Saddam Hussein. Neither because of Afghanistan or Iraq at large. If we were so “humanitarian” where the heck were we and the rest of the world, in Afghanistan, before 9/11? Nowhere to even be seen. While people starved and had their hands chopped off for stealing bread. If it was even partially humanitarian it was accidentally humanitarian.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:48:39pm

re: #228 Gus 802

Cuatro. Cinco. Seis. Siete. Ocho. Nueve. Diez.

Once. Doce.

364 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:49:45pm

re: #362 Gus 802

America was never going to be destroyed because of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. It was never going to be destroyed because of Saddam Hussein. Neither because of Afghanistan or Iraq at large. If we were so “humanitarian” where the heck were we and the rest of the world, in Afghanistan, before 9/11? Nowhere to even be seen. While people starved and had their hands chopped off for stealing bread. If it was even partially humanitarian it was accidentally humanitarian.

Yeah. That’s the funny part. Under Reagan, it was liberals— mostly feminists— complaining about human rights abuses in the middle east and being brushed off by the right-wing.

Of course, liberals weren’t advocating invasion as a solution that problem.

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:52:04pm

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Oil is a factor but also Q’Daffy’s past history of terrorist attacks in Europe as well as Lybia’s poximity to Europe means he needs to be dealt with. Bush and Blair never should have normalized relations with his. It was a very stupid thing to do.

Ghaddafi’s timing was perfect. He’s a lunatic, but he’s actually pretty good at what he does.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:52:52pm

re: #348 darthstar

Dear god…I’m surrounded by a family of gypsies on my flight…They can’t fucking sit still, then the grandfather bitches at me for adjusting my screen in the back of his headset…Oh well…only four hours and I’m home.

Are they actually Roma, or are they just migrating around the plane?

367 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:54:39pm

re: #360 Gus 802

No we haven’t. But compared to what “the boys” were going through in the ETO and particularly the Pacific theater American’s had it easy. So it’s kind of relative. Today’s soldiers don’t face even a tenth of the hardship they saw during WWII.

Oh, I’m not saying that, just that the average American was a lot more involved in the war effort then than any war effort today. Massive recycling campaigns, rationing of every thing under the sun, and the attitude that paying taxes to fund the war effort was your patriotic duty.

What I mean is, I think the average person’s opinion today would be very different on the subject of over seas conflict if they had to make those kinds of sacrifices at home.

Can you imagine how today’s Tea Party wing of the GOP would react if they were told that paying increased taxes to fund a war effort was their patriotic duty? They’d shit an Empire State Building.

368 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:55:42pm

re: #364 Obdicut

Yeah. That’s the funny part. Under Reagan, it was liberals— mostly feminists— complaining about human rights abuses in the middle east and being brushed off by the right-wing.

Of course, liberals weren’t advocating invasion as a solution that problem.

And we still ignore human rights abuses. See Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq (continues), Afghanistan (continues), Pakistan (a continuation of sorts). I’m sure the list is larger. I don’t see us invading or really supporting the “good guys” in Somalia right now. It’s the same old story about “American interests”. If there aren’t any “American interests” America is silent.

369 darthstar  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:56:43pm

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

DRINK!!!

I am!

370 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:57:26pm

re: #367 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I’m not saying that, just that the average American was a lot more involved in the war effort then than any war effort today. Massive recycling campaigns, rationing of every thing under the sun, and the attitude that paying taxes to fund the war effort was your patriotic duty.

What I mean is, I think the average person’s opinion today would be very different on the subject of over seas conflict if they had to make those kinds of sacrifices at home.

Can you imagine how today’s Tea Party wing of the GOP would react if they were told that paying increased taxes to fund a war effort was their patriotic duty? They’d shit an Empire State Building.

Ah. OK. Heck. The Tea Party would say it was a European problem in the first place. The sacrifices they would have to make would have resulted in kvetching raised to a fevered pitch.

371 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:58:13pm

No blood for France! Say no to the Normandy invasion! Tea Party, 1944

//

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:59:58pm

re: #370 Gus 802

There was plenty of that as well in those days, but getting the shit bombed out of you in your own harbor can change some attitudes.

373 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:08:04pm

re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth

There was plenty of that as well in those days, but getting the shit bombed out of you in your own harbor can change some attitudes.

Well yeah. In a weird way. The Japanese did the world a favor by attacking the USA at Pearl Harbor. That might sound strange but if it wasn’t for that attack we probably would have continued on the road of isolationism.

Now that I mentioned that. I don’t compare WWII for any of the post-WWII forays of American wars, the Cold War, Domino Theory, Iraq, GWOT, etc.

374 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:15:50pm

re: #346 Gus 802

I don’t dispute the issue of cost effectiveness, or not, of some actions. However to say we do it simply for money is just another left wing mantra like, “we do it for the oil”. We have never received the oil without paying through the nose for it, and it is not that simple.

375 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:21:34pm

re: #374 Naso Tang

I don’t dispute the issue of cost effectiveness, or not, of some actions. However to say we do it simply for money is just another left wing mantra like, “we do it for the oil”. We have never received the oil without paying through the nose for it, and it is not that simple.

No. We also do it for power and control. There are other nefarious reasons as well.

376 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:22:52pm

re: #331 albusteve

we are at war with ourselves right now…runaway partisanship, perped by the most stupid crop of elected officials in history…American sheep are good people, buy easily led astray, hence the abuse heaped on us by the assholes we are supposed to trust…what we have is a full blown over reaction by the right in retribution for the tax and spend policies of the left…so out cool Cadillac is in the ditch and I blame all of them…but I’m a tad jaded

How about the borrow and spend by the right Steve. We didn’t get here overnight. Two wars and two tax cuts at the same time…probably not the best idea.

377 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:23:04pm

re: #362 Gus 802

America was never going to be destroyed because of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. It was never going to be destroyed because of Saddam Hussein.

One does not have to use words like “destroyed” to decide that one has a self interest to get involved in one way or another.

I wouldn’t advocate attacking Iran for example, but I have had no doubt for years that we will face a nuclear Iran in the near future, and they will be able to make holding the economy hostage for the debt limit look like chicken feed when they have it.

I also firmly believe that had Saddam survived and sanctions been dropped as much of the world wanted, they too would have a new nuclear program by now, ostensibly to counter Iran, but also to get back to threatening the rest of the region.

Debates about whether something is humanitarian in nature or not is irrelevant to realities.

378 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:26:42pm

re: #375 Gus 802

No. We also do it for power and control. There are other nefarious reasons as well.

Sorry, but that’s another emotive term or two. The USSR was for power and control and nefarious to boot. I think we have been consistently different. Not always right or bright, but not what you say.

379 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:27:38pm

re: #376 blueraven

How about the borrow and spend by the right Steve. We didn’t get here overnight. Two wars and two tax cuts at the same time…probably not the best idea.

Don’t blame the rightm, it’s Obama’s mess. Except laying the groundwork to kill bin Laden. That had nothing to do with Obama. ///

380 Hawaii69  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:42:20pm

You’d think a former soldier would have thicker skin.

Then again, from what I’ve read about Allen West, he sounds like
a real asshole.

381 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:44:54pm

re: #378 Naso Tang

Sorry, but that’s another emotive term or two. The USSR was for power and control and nefarious to boot. I think we have been consistently different. Not always right or bright, but not what you say.

Whatever you say. The best laid plans of mice and men. The part about Cambodia and the Khmer Rouge are interesting. As are the results of American policy regarding East Timor. It’s a secular religion. One wrapped in an American flag and heavily dipped in faux pragmatism hiding its quest for even greater riches for the powerful elite. It’s not about money, politicans and power! It’s about stopping the dreaded Russians who will eat your children!

382 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:59:57pm

re: #381 Gus 802

Yeah, but the way you make it sound is that the “military/industrial complex” that really runs everything sits around and makes these decisions for us, and gets us to execute them. In truth we just stumble along, just the way Washington is doing as we speak.

383 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 5:06:29pm

re: #382 Naso Tang

Yeah, but the way you make it sound is that the “military/industrial complex” that really runs everything sits around and makes these decisions for us, and gets us to execute them. In truth we just stumble along, just the way Washington is doing as we speak.

Yep. That’s exactly what I said.

//

384 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 5:33:12pm

re: #364 Obdicut

Yeah. That’s the funny part. Under Reagan, it was liberals— mostly feminists— complaining about human rights abuses in the middle east and being brushed off by the right-wing.

Of course, liberals weren’t advocating invasion as a solution that problem.

good observation. so, in your opinion, whats the state of play on human rights abuses now? righties complaining only to shame the administration, lefties still complaining at the same frequency, lefties complaining less so as not to shame the administration? we still seem to miss quite a few, and both the silence and complaints seem to have similar political components.
I was shocked to see the variety of people who were swooning over ahmadinejad’s appearance in New York, for instance, people whose very existence would be illegal/punishable by death in his home country.

385 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 6:24:29pm

re: #271 allegro

They’re having trouble finding places to put all of those record profits.

Though you may have been joking, this really is the problem at the heart of the financial crisis. When there is more accumulated capital than there is value in the economy which can be purchased by that capital, you have a “general glut”. That’s where we are now. (The solution is higher tax rates on accumulated capital. Well, if you believe in math and reason.)

386 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 6:26:30pm

To the contrary, as Robert Kagan recently argued at the American Enterprise Institute on the question of whether the United States was, or should be, an empire:

“There is a vital distinction between being powerful—even most powerful in the world—and being an empire. Economic expansion does not equal imperialism, and there is no such thing as “cultural imperialism”. If America is an empire, then why was it unable to mobilize its subjects to support the war against Saddam Hussein? America is not an empire, and its power stems from voluntary associations and alliances. American hegemony is relatively well accepted because people all over the world know that U.S. forces will eventually withdraw from the occupied territories. The effect of declaring that the United States is an empire would not only be factually wrong, but strategically catastrophic. Contrary to the exploitative purposes of the British, the American intentions of spreading democracy and individual rights are incompatible with the notion of an empire. The genius of American power is expressed in the movie The Godfather II, where, like Hyman Roth, the United States has always made money for its partners. America has not turned countries in which it intervened into deserts; it enriched them. Even the Russians knew they could surrender after the Cold War without being subjected to occupation.”

387 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 7:09:42pm

re: #384 Gepetto

good observation. so, in your opinion, whats the state of play on human rights abuses now? righties complaining only to shame the administration, lefties still complaining at the same frequency, lefties complaining less so as not to shame the administration?

Huh? Righties complaining about what abuses to shame the administration? You’re not making any sense.

I was shocked to see the variety of people who were swooning over ahmadinejad’s appearance in New York, for instance, people whose very existence would be illegal/punishable by death in his home country.

Try to be clearer and not pussyfoot around. As far as I know, homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran. Is that the ‘variety’ you’re talking about?

388 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 8:41:38pm

re: #387 Obdicut

Huh? Righties complaining about what abuses to shame the administration? You’re not making any sense.

sorry, I didn’t realize it was you when i posted that. I’ll be more clear.
i wondered if you thought the righties were now complaining about human rights abuses to hammer the President, and if you thought the lefties were quieter about abuses to bolster the President.

Try to be clearer and not pussyfoot around. As far as I know, homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran. Is that the ‘variety’ you’re talking about?

That is so, but as the Iranian president has said, there are no gay people in Iran, thus no executions based on sexuality. the ‘variety’ also would include adulterers, rape victims, immodest dressers, Hindus, Sikhs, Wiccans, and any people not “of the book” who might attempt to practice their religion under his regime.

389 Flavia  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:04:14pm

re: #8 Alexzander

I think Alan West significantly damaged his chances of becoming a presidential candidate in the future with this email.

I wouldn’t necessarily bet on that. Sigh.

390 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 22, 2011 2:47:34am

re: #388 Gepetto


sorry, I didn’t realize it was you when i posted that. I’ll be more clear.
i wondered if you thought the righties were now complaining about human rights abuses to hammer the President, and if you thought the lefties were quieter about abuses to bolster the President.

Um, I don’t hear ‘righties’ complaining about human rights abuses, but rather still defending them— as in the case of West.


That is so, but as the Iranian president has said, there are no gay people in Iran, thus no executions based on sexuality. the ‘variety’ also would include adulterers, rape victims, immodest dressers, Hindus, Sikhs, Wiccans, and any people not “of the book” who might attempt to practice their religion under his regime.

So, which of these groups did you ‘see swooning’ over Ahmadinejad?


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