Here we go again, with the Republican candidates explaining why the most draconian far right economic solutions that have never worked before need to be given one more try…
Drinking game: “Obamacare.”
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:17:27pm |
Okay, Huntsman...stop talking sense...this is a GOP debate.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:18:20pm |
re: #1 darthstar
Okay, Huntsman...stop talking sense...this is a GOP debate.
That comment will be relevant for the rest of the night.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:18:32pm |
Yes, it is a waste of money and some seniors consider it torture.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:19:01pm |
Death Panels! Drink!
Are we drunk yet?
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teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:19:31pm |
This is surreal. Zero percent corporate tax. Our nations forests must be mined for coal and gas. Jeebus, not the death panels again?!?
I'm gonna be wasted in two hours.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:19:41pm |
Of course they don't want someone between a doctor and a patient...unless abortion or birth control is involved.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:04pm |
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:19pm |
re: #6 ggt
Why is Bachmann even there?
This is the cast of a tv show -- bunch a white guys, token black guy, token woman.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:36pm |
I muted it, let me know when she has stopped talking.
I can't even stand her voice anymore.
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elizajane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:36pm |
The questions seem strangely good. The answers seem predictably ridiculous.
Obamacare! Terror! Political appointees! DEATH PANELS!
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:49pm |
re: #12 Charles
Drink again!
And again!
This one answer is probably lethal if your drinking liquor.
Careful out there, my friends.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:51pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:20:52pm |
OHMYFUCKINGGOD.
Obamacare is a single healthcare programme???????
Did Bachmann never read the fucking bill?
FFS
JEEBUS
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:21:05pm |
Madre de Dios, if you can't keep your canned soundbytes relevant to the actual question, GTFO
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:21:06pm |
re: #13 ggt
I muted it, let me know when she has stopped talking.
I can't even stand her voice anymore.
Same.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:21:20pm |
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:21:58pm |
re: #21 Alexzander
Huntsman is doing amazing so far.
He's a smart guy.
But the Flat tax is a dumbass idea for economic illiterates.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:22:12pm |
re: #21 Alexzander
Huntsman is doing amazing so far.
Which means his poll numbers will drop yet again. He's talking logic to folks who want talking points and soundbytes.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:22:18pm |
Newt Gingrich didn't really defend "death panels," did he?
Yes! He did! Idiocy rampant.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:22:18pm |
Rose & Huntsman -- "Pardon us for a moment, children. The grownups need to talk about something."
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elizajane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:22:50pm |
re: #21 Alexzander
Agreed. He seems really at his ease in this format, and comes across very strongly.
Is Romney here?? Why are they all ignoring him? Is he really THAT boring?
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:23:10pm |
re: #24 Charles
Newt Gingrich didn't really defend "death panels," did he?
Yes! He did! Idiocy rampant.
While trying to wriggle around and make it sound like he wasn't.
It's gotta hurt somethin' fierce, to be faced with the same policies and ideas he once championed, being pushed by Obama.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:23:12pm |
I don't agree with Huntsman on a lot of issues. but damn he at least makes sense and is in the real universe.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:23:13pm |
re: #21 Alexzander
Huntsman is doing amazing so far.
Huntsman got 0% of the Values Voter Summit straw poll.
Zero. Nada. Zilch. He's done.
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teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:23:15pm |
Wow Jon Huntsman. You're actually being sane. You're doomed.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:23:45pm |
re: #27 elizajane
Agreed. He seems really at his ease in this format, and comes across very strongly.
Is Romney here?? Why are they all ignoring him? Is he really THAT boring?
Agreed. Usually Huntsman comes off insincere. This round table, more intellectual format suits him incredibly well. Romney is stronger standing on his feet. He has incredible physical presence.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:02pm |
Huntsman, with the populist revisionist bullshit. Because it's not like guys like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were "career politicians."
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:04pm |
Well studied and well developed? By who? The Heritage Foundation?
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:06pm |
9-9-9... sorry Cain you can say whatever you want, but in my mind it will ALWAYS be the price of a pizza.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:07pm |
re: #32 teleskiguy
Wow Jon Huntsman. You're actually being sane. You're doomed.
Another Patrician vowing to restore the Republic --next!
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Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:32pm |
re: #32 teleskiguy
Wow Jon Huntsman. You're actually being sane. You're doomed.
He was doomed the moment he resigned to serve as Obama's ambassador to China.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:34pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:54pm |
999- well studied and well developed? By whom, Papa John?
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:24:56pm |
This format of this debate is so much more intimate (visually). The winner will be whoever understands the difference between theater acting and movie acting.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:25:00pm |
I really want a pizza now too. Damn.
Maybe Cain is really a viral advertiser for Godfathers and he will rejoin afterwards?
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:25:00pm |
Scrapping the current taxcode at one go and replacing it with something entirely different - way to fucking go Herman.
The COSTS involved in a dumbass move like that are astronomical.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:25:28pm |
re: #31 Charles
Huntsman got 0% of the Values Voter Summit straw poll.
Zero. Nada. Zilch. He's done.
I thought he got three votes.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:25:28pm |
Yes, it'll raise the poor's taxes by 18%! Well, so long as they insist on buying new things, like...you know...FOOD!
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Tigger2 Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:05pm |
Why dont they just flip a coin to see whos going to run, they all sound the same except for Huntsman, hell just do away with all the boring ass predicable debates.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:13pm |
Romney's arguing with the hot chick over the premise of the question.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:19pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:23pm |
"I spent my entire career working in the private sector" how long a career was that Mitt?
I bet he's spent more time running for office than he has in the private sector...
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HoosierHoops Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:29pm |
I'm just glad 9 9 9 will never pass.. Stupid simplistic idea...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:37pm |
Romney will buy Europe and fire the workers.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:26:47pm |
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allegro Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:03pm |
Romney knows how to buy businesses and trash them for profit. Just the guy I wanna see in the WH.
//
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Meitantei Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:12pm |
You know, in my class today, I had several students propose that if the world put enough soft power on it, they would be able to get the US to give up its permanent Security Council membership and "end its tyranny".
Those are the days I hate leftists nutjobs. Not I get to hate right-wing ones.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:18pm |
re: #53 jamesfirecat
"I spent my entire career working in the private sector" how long a career was that Mitt?
Long enough to put a couple hundred people out of work and several businesses into bankruptcy, while netting a couple hundred million.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:21pm |
re: #56 Decatur Deb
Romney will buy Europe and fire the workers.
I'd consider voting for that. Bold leadership.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:22pm |
So Mitt won't have a Treasury Secretary? What a dumbass that Washington was, always calling up Alexander Hamilton for economic advice.
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Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:27:32pm |
re: #46 wozzablog
Scrapping the current taxcode at one go and replacing it with something entirely different - way to fucking go Herman.
The COSTS involved in a dumbass move like that are astronomical.
Who cares? It sounds like a smart, cost effective thing to do.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:28:04pm |
Romney is an idiot. He can't get the nomination.
Hey! He wants to be a part of the European judgements!
I guess America can interfere into Europe according to Romney.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:28:14pm |
re: #63 Lidane
Who cares? It sounds like a smart, cost effective thing to do.
Yep, it's all about perception and emotion.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:28:23pm |
Do these candidates know, fuck, do the moderators know that TARP will be repaid WITH INTEREST?.
They don't care. That's why they lose.
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Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:28:34pm |
re: #58 allegro
Romney knows how to buy businesses and trash them for profit. Just the guy I wanna see in the WH.
//
We already had one of those. He left office in 2008.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:28:41pm |
"That was the wrong source for that funding!"
Yeah because it's not like the American Auto Industry has managed to make whole turnaround since then, and it couldn't suddenly become very important if we actually got balls deep in a real war.
(Ford produced more tanks than all of Italy during WW2)
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:10pm |
This is hilarious, even though it would gladden the black hearts of the wingnut faithful. An apparent wingnut videographer was trolling the Occupy Temple demo for weirdos and managed to turn up a couple of prize specimens.
I wonder if Rainbow-Jesus dude could be a little more condescending while the trans-sexual in the PLA uniform seems badly confused, especially about events and attitudes in Mao's China.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:11pm |
re: #65 ggt
Yep, it's all about perception and emotion.
No, no, no. Only libruls think with emotion, conservatives use strictly logic and reason.
/Sean Hannity
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:15pm |
"I'd choose someone of my own, uh, uh, ________________"
color
religion
political party
sex
what?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:20pm |
Mitt Romney's taking on a resemblance to Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness."
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elizajane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:23pm |
re: #66 Alexzander
Romney wasn't prepped for that question and he really isn't good at thinking on his feet. That's why he kept arguing against the original premise. It's a standard debate ploy.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:23pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Ah, Charlie Rose. He's a serious guy.
Wasted on this group. Like a fine wine at McDonald's.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:29pm |
The Longest One Minute Evah!
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:29:58pm |
re: #73 Atlas Fails
No, no, no. Only libruls think with emotion, conservatives strictly use logic and reason.
/Sean Hannity
based on the Bible and Prophecy!
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:00pm |
re: #75 Charles
Mitt Romney's taking on a resemblance to Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness."
Sorry, but I must disagree, Charles. Campbell can actually act.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:06pm |
Romney's starting to shout like Santorum does.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:13pm |
Mitt - bailout nothing, except when you bailout everything.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:19pm |
Mitt has flipflopped three times in this answer.
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jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:26pm |
Walking the tightrope on what a good bailout might be.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:27pm |
Protecting American jobs =/= laying of workers
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:27pm |
re: #75 Charles
Mitt Romney's taking on a resemblance to Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness."
He needs to pull out his boomstick!
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:53pm |
Sounds like a lot of these guys were for the bailout before they were against it...
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:30:55pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:02pm |
re: #84 Decatur Deb
Mitt has flipflopped three times in this answer.
While facing the specter of the Ghost of Romney Past.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:02pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:14pm |
Gingrich slows the conversation down perfectly every fucking time he gives an answer.
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engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:21pm |
"the death tax"
"i spent my entire career working in the private sector"
"medicare is broke"
if anything is ever said here that is not false, somebody is gonna catch hell for it
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:24pm |
What a fucking dunce Cain is. Is he seriously suggesting that every single business in America should have received a bailout?
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Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:28pm |
re: #75 Charles
Mitt Romney's taking on a resemblance to Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness."
That's an insult to Bruce Campbell. At least he's entertaining.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:31:58pm |
"The people who were in charge during that crisis are still in charge!"
Well now you know how I feel about the Republicans running the house...
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:24pm |
Somebody needs to tell Newt that Bush Jr. and Tom DeLay are no longer in charge.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:31pm |
Austrian economics... GOOLLLLLDDDDDDD standard...
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Obdicut Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:36pm |
re: #91 negativ
True. Huntsman is electable AND he's an economic extremist, but he's not a social extremist so he can't get elected by the GOP.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:39pm |
re: #96 jamesfirecat
"The people who were in charge during that crisis are still in charge!"
Well now you know how I feel about the Republicans running the house...
It's a bit like letting the guy who wrecked your car supervise the repairs.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:53pm |
We had too many houses?
I am sooo confused.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:53pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:57pm |
Asking Ron Paul if he'd get the federal government out of housing? Are you kidding? He wants the government out of EVERYTHING.
Except women's wombs.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:32:58pm |
Haven't heard from Perry in ages. He is like the little kid at the table.
Feel sorry for him.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:01pm |
re: #88 jamesfirecat
Sounds like a lot of these guys were for the bailout before they were against it...
Just wait. Obama's going to have the same problem. Populist economics vs reality is a tough sell to the public. That's why the OWS movement has great potential to hurt Obama.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:11pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
While facing the specter of the Ghost of Romney Past.
Romney just needs to explain to voters that he only supported those things to get elected... but this time he's totally serious.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:20pm |
re: #104 Charles
Asking Ron Paul if he'd get the federal government out of housing? Are you kidding? He wants the government out of EVERYTHING.
Except women's wombs.
And his head.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:49pm |
This is definitely the most adult format yet.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:50pm |
Damn, That's some seriously glum music.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:51pm |
re: #105 Alexzander
Haven't heard from Perry in ages. He is like the little kid at the table.
Feel sorry for him.
Don't.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:51pm |
Habitat is the 16th largest home builder in the country. When RON PAUL is done we'll be number 1.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:33:56pm |
"We need the correction."
Yeah, we really need a depression and 25% unemployment, Don't we Paul?
ugh.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:03pm |
That's some dark and dramatic theme music they've got there...
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:16pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:31pm |
I can't take any more of this bullshit. I'm burned out after my first Tea Party experience last night. I trust this site will give me an accurate summary of the nonsense.
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:34pm |
re: #111 wozzablog
Don't.
I try to have compassion for everyone.
For Realz.
If I didn't there is no way I could ever do my job.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:47pm |
I miss the Fox News Toby Keith bumper music. OK, not really.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:34:50pm |
re: #113 bloodstar
"We need the correction."
Yeah, we really need a depression and 25% unemployment, Don't we Paul?
ugh.
Japan, lost decade.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:35:00pm |
re: #109 Alexzander
This is definitely the most adult format yet.
Which probably means the base isn't watching it. This is weighed more towards political junkies...who are finding out that they got some bad shit.
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Meitantei Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:35:22pm |
re: #113 bloodstar
We don't have people breaking into food warehouses like they were in the 19th century, so we don't really have poverty, don't you know?
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prairiefire Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:35:36pm |
re: #75 Charles
Mitt Romney's taking on a resemblance to Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness."
He will whip out the chain saw arm any minute now.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:07pm |
re: #121 Meitantei
We don't have people breaking into food warehouses like they were in the 19th century, so we don't really have poverty, don't you know?
Yeah, the poor can afford refrigerators! And AC! That's not poor like I remember it!
///
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:11pm |
It's probably best that they don't ask Rick Perry too many questions about the economy. Answers would involve math.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:39pm |
re: #109 Alexzander
This is definitely the most adult format yet.
Charlie Rose rules. He used to have a late night show in the late 80's. long before 24 hour tv. Came on after Letterman and ran from maybe 2-4 am. I used to get high and watch him on a 6 inch black and white tv with rabbit ears. Those were the days.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:51pm |
re: #124 Charles
It's probably best that they don't ask Rick Perry too many questions about the economy. Answers would involve math.
That hasn't stopped Cain yet...sadly.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:36:59pm |
re: #124 Charles
It's probably best that they don't ask Rick Perry too many questions about the economy. Answers would involve math.
Public health hazard.
Foot in mouth disease.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:02pm |
I am a little disappointed that they're not discussing social issues. Most people don't know dick about economics, so this will fly right over the heads of the GOP base.
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allegro Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:13pm |
re: #124 Charles
It's probably best that they don't ask Rick Perry too many questions about the economy. Answers would involve math.
But... but then he can't talk about the 12,000 jobs he created at TAMU... or was that 10?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:25pm |
re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, the poor can afford refrigerators! And AC! That's not poor like I remember it!
///
In Alabama they only get water if they have a driver's license. Electricity is next.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:26pm |
re: #105 Alexzander
Haven't heard from Perry in ages. He is like the little kid at the table.
Feel sorry for him.
He's accepted his third tier status...plus it allows him to sleep.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:37:47pm |
Drinking game rule: You must finish your drink and chug two more just like it if any candidate says, "in what respect, Charlie?"
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:03pm |
Quoting Regan against them?...........WOW.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:10pm |
Wow...playing the Reagan card...fuck that liberal loon! HA!
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:33pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Charlie Rose rules. He used to have a late night show in the late 80's. long before 24 hour tv. Came on after Letterman and ran from maybe 2-4 am. I used to get high and watch him on a 6 inch black and white tv with rabbit ears. Those were the days.
His interview with David Foster Wallace is my personal favourite. I've watched it maybe five times.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:37pm |
re: #138 darthstar
Wow...playing the Reagan card...fuck that liberal loon! HA!
UNION HOLLYWOOD LIBERAL!
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:42pm |
Perry doesn't have a clue what Reagan was saying.
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teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:38:47pm |
That's not Ronald Reagan! No fucking way that was Ronald Reagan. Reagan would never say such shit.
/
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:09pm |
re: #143 teleskiguy
Exactly what Perry is grasping with.
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jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:20pm |
Cause a balanced budget amendment works so well in Texas.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:22pm |
"You never see a cut in spending...'
Yeah it's like somehow there are always more Americans who need the governments service, like our population is increasing!
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Atlas Fails Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:29pm |
re: #86 Atlas Fails
Protecting American jobs =/= laying of workers
Wow, one little letter can really change a meaning...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:41pm |
They got their freakn' tax cuts--the Bush tax decreases we passed in the face of 2 wars.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:45pm |
re: #143 teleskiguy
That's not Ronald Reagan! No fucking way that was Ronald Reagan. Reagan would never say such shit.
/
So we get Perry meandering around the idea that Reagan didn't really say what he just got quoted saying.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:39:47pm |
Rick Perry: "That's why Americans are so untrustworthy..." Good grief.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:20pm |
and......Romney Sidesteps.
Ignores the video clip. Makes his own point.
RUNNING AWAY FROM REAGAN THE LOT OF THEM.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:26pm |
The answer is to cut federal spending by Congress, on itself.
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Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:30pm |
re: #145 jaunte
Cause a balanced budget amendment works so well in Texas.
Pfft. What's a $27 billion budget shortfall among friends?
///
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:36pm |
Thank god for autoloading comments on threads like these. Thanks Charles.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:40:48pm |
20,000,000 quatloos to the first candidate (other than Paul) who will name spending he'd cut.
| 157 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:02pm |
Perry: "That's why Americans are so untrustworthy..." Why does Rick Perry hate America?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:02pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:03pm |
re: #150 Charles
Rick Perry: "That's why Americans are so untrustworthy..." Good grief.
Someone needs to get this line on youtube.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:10pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:33pm |
Defense spending off the table, no surprise there. *rolls eyes*
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jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:43pm |
re: #157 Charles
"How to secede in politics without really trying."
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:52pm |
Romney has no idea - all over the map.
Don't cut defence, the Pentagon are BEGGING for targeted cuts.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:41:55pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:06pm |
No taxes and no defense cuts. When he says "Volunteer Army" he means volunteer.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:16pm |
| 170 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:19pm |
Just get this economy going, use fairy dust on that bitch.
| 171 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:20pm |
| 172 |
b_sharp Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:28pm |
re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Anybody who's subjecting themselves to this drivel.
There we go.
| 173 |
allegro Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:30pm |
Romney lies. Every poll says the opposite of what he just said the people want. Asshole.
| 174 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:42:45pm |
re: #163 wozzablog
Romney has no idea - all over the map.
Don't cut defence, the Pentagon are BEGGING for targeted cuts.
Congress knows better than to listen to the Pentagon. The Pentagon said they didn't need a second F-35 engine for 5 years, Congress said they did, because "you never know."
| 177 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:07pm |
It wasn't a f***ing blank check it was agreeing to actually pay for the stuff we already spent money on!
| 179 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:26pm |
Bachmann is trying to look more and more like Palin I think. She's even using a similar accent. hmmm
| 180 |
BishopX Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:29pm |
The American people are 80-20 against medicare cuts, the American people don't want the deficit balanced on the backs of the elderly.
| 182 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:43:51pm |
Michele Bachmann's voice in the wilderness is a nice Halloween-y type idea.
| 183 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:01pm |
re: #179 bloodstar
Bachmann is trying to look more and more like Palin I think. She's even using a similar accent. hmmm
No way she'll be able to pull off the "naughty librarian" look.
| 184 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:08pm |
Other than the per-capita usage of TV and Macdonalds, there isn't too much Americans aren't losing at these days.
| 186 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:24pm |
She worked as a tax lawyer for 5 years? While she had her babies --for the maternity benefits ?
It's what she does . . . .
| 187 |
Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:30pm |
re: #143 teleskiguy
That's not Ronald Reagan! No fucking way that was Ronald Reagan. Reagan would never say such shit.
/
Reagan also never used teleprompters.
/
| 188 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:39pm |
re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No way she'll be able to pull off the "naughty librarian" look.
too scrawny
| 189 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:40pm |
re: #182 negativ
Michele Bachmann's voice in the wilderness is a nice Halloween-y type idea.
Nice idea for those making haunted houses this Halloween
| 190 |
b_sharp Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:41pm |
re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No way she'll be able to pull off the "naughty librarian" look.
Wrong outfit?
| 191 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:43pm |
In response to who would get out of the bed in the morning at a 75% tax rating... how about Henry Ford, he was rich at a time when the top income tax was well over 75%!
| 193 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:47pm |
NIIIIIINE NIIIIIIIIIIIIINE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE PLANNNN!
| 194 |
Political Atheist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:44:52pm |
Tax rate 75% Pulled that right out of her... er... the air.
| 195 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:01pm |
Can we have "999" tattooed into Cain's forehead, just to save time?
| 196 |
lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:03pm |
Speaking of nonsensical drivel (and somewhat related to the anti-science GOP/right wing posting earlier today), I went back to the photos I took earlier today at the Zuccotti Park protests.
I had thought that the loon protesting Johnson and Johnson were just plain nuts, I had no idea.
The J&J protester wasn't just a conspiracy loon, but an anti-fluoride loons at that and think that J&J is out to murder people with dental floss.
| 197 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:14pm |
Charlie Rose has been shooting his low-budget show at Bloomberg since the 90s. I have a feeling he's moderating because he got a phone call from the Mayor. Like in the Godfather - "Someday, and that day may never come, I will need a favor from you."
| 199 |
engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:42pm |
reducing unemployment for the gop always seems to start with deep cuts in "federal spending" that would put many thousands of people out of work
| 200 |
tophergraceless Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:45:43pm |
Don't confuse the Cain with math! It's wrong I tells ya!
| 201 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:01pm |
Production does not drive the economy.
Consumption drives the economy.
| 202 |
Barflytom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:05pm |
re: #150 Charles
"...Republican candidates explaining why the most draconian far right economic solutions that have never worked before need to be given one more try…"
Just to go back to your opening statement. Examples ?
Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet ? So none of their "far right" solutions worked ? Got any examples of leftie "solutions" achieving anything ?
| 203 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:06pm |
| 204 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:21pm |
Cain has really brought his salesman and advertising experience to the table.
| 205 |
lawhawk Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:24pm |
re: #177 jamesfirecat
It wasn't a f***ing blank check it was agreeing to actually pay for the stuff we already spent money on!
Indeed - Congress appropriated the monies in the budgets, supplemental bills, and various enacted legislation. Now, they want another bite of the apple to reduce already approved spending.
| 207 |
engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:26pm |
if risk taking drives growth, then this country should be run by teenagers
| 208 |
elizajane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:28pm |
"Expand the base!" Make granny and those living in poverty pay their fair share in taxes!
| 211 |
JAFO Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:46:53pm |
A guy who doesn't buy beer won't get my vote, sorry Herb.
| 212 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:47:05pm |
| 213 |
BishopX Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:47:17pm |
No tax on Used goods? What is this a VAT?
There is sales tax on used goods.
| 214 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:47:44pm |
re: #185 wozzablog
Bachmann going full Galt.
Her and her buddies are going to pull of "strike of the mind"?
I think I just had a comedic aneurysm
| 216 |
teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:47:53pm |
Bachmann was a federal tax lawyer like I'm a snowboarder.
Has she mentioned her 23 foster kids yet?
| 220 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:48:05pm |
Damn, I thought she was really gonna go THERE.
Slightly disappointed.
| 221 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:48:07pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
Stable Scandinavian economies...............
| 222 |
tophergraceless Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:48:18pm |
666! She actually went there! dear god this is ridiculous!
| 225 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:48:36pm |
Bahaha, point for Bachmann-channelling-palin for the 6/6/6 devil's in the details.
| 226 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:48:38pm |
The Ghost of Romney Past appears again.
| 227 |
Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:09pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet ?
Sorry, does not compute. You're equating a ruthless dictator like Pinochet with Reagan and Thatcher?
FAIL.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:21pm |
re: #215 Obdicut
Holy shit, you're pro-Pinochet?
You take your retirement plans and your autobahns were you find them.
| 229 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:32pm |
Huntsman making sense. Can someone tell him to stop it?
| 230 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:33pm |
Heh, must be a seriously painful situation, to actually defend China when the first instinct is to scream about how bad they are.
| 231 |
engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:37pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
"...Republican candidates explaining why the most draconian far right economic solutions that have never worked before need to be given one more try…"
Just to go back to your opening statement. Examples ?
Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet ? So none of their "far right" solutions worked ? Got any examples of leftie "solutions" achieving anything ?
pinochet? really???
did you know that chile declared its "chilean solution" for its version of social security to be a failure and rolled it back?
| 232 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:54pm |
re: #229 wozzablog
Huntsman making sense. Can someone tell him to stop it?
Seriously, I might register R to vote for him in the primaries.
| 233 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:49:54pm |
Hey, Michele Bachmann stole my 999/666 joke. Difference is, she probably really believes it.
| 234 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:00pm |
I would have liked to have seen a wide shot when they put Reagan on the monitor...you know they all cringed in horror at the sight of him.
| 235 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:13pm |
re: #226 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The Ghost of Romney Past appears again.
Romney is his own Jacob Marley.
| 236 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:13pm |
re: #229 wozzablog
Huntsman making sense. Can someone tell him to stop it?
The base has been doing it for weeks, but he keeps refusing to take the hint.
| 237 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:13pm |
| 238 |
Political Atheist Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:18pm |
re: #229 wozzablog
Huntsman making sense. Can someone tell him to stop it?
They will. All they have to do is keep pretending he's the nut.
| 239 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:35pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
"...Republican candidates explaining why the most draconian far right economic solutions that have never worked before need to be given one more try…"
Just to go back to your opening statement. Examples ?
Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet ? So none of their "far right" solutions worked ? Got any examples of leftie "solutions" achieving anything ?
Pinochet! And now I laugh.
| 240 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:45pm |
I've heard good things about Huntsman from my Democrat friends. I think he is playing for the wrong party.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:50:45pm |
re: #233 Charles
Hey, Michele Bachmann stole my 999/666 joke. Difference is, she probably really believes it.
And it probably got her 5 points in the next poll.
| 242 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:05pm |
| 243 |
jaunte Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:19pm |
We want sleep-in factories like the Chinese have, too.
| 244 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:34pm |
Romney's going after WalMart right now...bad move.
| 245 |
Meitantei Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:38pm |
So, I guess Romney's a real free-trader, right?
/
| 246 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:50pm |
Cut aways to Perry's face are PRICELESS.
So dim, so so dim.
| 247 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:50pm |
re: #235 Charleston Chew
Romney is his own Jacob Marley.
Who wears a long, winding chain to which are attached previous versions of Mitt Romney.
| 248 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:51:57pm |
Shit, I actually feel a bit of respect for Romney now. Obviously I'm not drunk enough yet.
| 250 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:52:14pm |
re: #243 jaunte
We want sleep-in factories like the Chinese have, too.
Because that is where the company put it's employee dorms?
| 251 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:52:21pm |
re: #246 wozzablog
Cut aways to Perry's face are PRICELESS.
So dim, so so dim.
Nobody told him there'd be math...or Reagan...in this debate.
| 252 |
teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:52:49pm |
Perry wants to get all of our energy!!! He ain't gettin' any of my energy. Karmic energy, brah.
| 253 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:52:57pm |
Perry is on a Palin level of idiocy. Its probably diagnosable and might qualify for disability.
| 255 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:10pm |
Did Perry just say it doesn't matter what our trade policy is?
| 256 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:10pm |
Yeah, drive the nation into the ground, as Perry has done in Texas, and the jobs will come back from China!
| 257 |
Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:22pm |
re: #229 wozzablog
Huntsman making sense. Can someone tell him to stop it?
His poll numbers should be enough of a hint.
| 258 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:28pm |
re: #252 teleskiguy
Perry wants to get all of our energy!!! He ain't gettin' any of my energy. Karmic energy, brah.
Stay off my manna, brah!
| 259 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:46pm |
re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Shit, I actually feel a bit of respect for Romney now. Obviously I'm not drunk enough yet.
Mitt's doing well but not great. He may be the next president.
| 261 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:56pm |
re: #253 Alexzander
Perry is on a Palin level of idiocy. Its probably diagnosable and might qualify for disability.
I get the idea he thinks he can take over the Oval office and just run the country. No compromises, no negotiations --Congress and the People will just do what he says . . .
He is not complex enough to be POTUS.
| 262 |
Linden Arden Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:53:56pm |
Rich Lowry is Cain's economics advisor?
Lowry?
Anyone catch that?
| 263 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:01pm |
These complex economic issues can all be solved with, uh... FREEDOM! And uh, whatever else Braveheart said.
| 264 |
kirkspencer Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:26pm |
re: #256 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, drive the nation into the ground, as Perry has done in Texas, and the jobs will come back from China!
Well of course they will. Outsourcing always goes toward the lowest paid wageslaves, right?
| 265 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:36pm |
re: #259 Killgore Trout
Mitt's doing well but not great. He may be the next president.
Think he can beat Obama?
| 266 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:36pm |
re: #259 Killgore Trout
Mitt's doing well but not great. He may be the next president.
He'll be the next presidential candidate for the GOP. Obama will win reelection.
| 267 |
Lidane Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:43pm |
re: #253 Alexzander
Perry is on a Palin level of idiocy. Its probably diagnosable and might qualify for disability.
That's why he doesn't debate his opponents here.
The worst thing that happened for Perry's chances to become POTUS was that he was forced to talk. He really is the male Sarah Palin.
| 268 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:54:54pm |
A quote you don't want to hear, "I want to go to war with China"
| 269 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:55:06pm |
re: #263 Charleston Chew
These complex economic issues can all be solved with, uh... FREEDOM! And uh, whatever else Braveheart said.
...fire from his eyes and bolt of lightning from his ass?
| 271 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:55:24pm |
Oh, Santorum...just played the Newt card of "I'm feeling ignored and unloved!"
| 272 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:55:24pm |
Dear Santorum; Slow down and look less angry.
| 273 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:55:43pm |
re: #265 ggt
Think he can beat Obama?
I think it's possible. He has problems with his own base but so does Obama. If he plays it right I think he has a decent chance.
| 275 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:56:07pm |
re: #272 Alexzander
Dear Santorum; Slow down and look less angry.
Angry? He looks like he forgot to cut his meth before snorting it.
| 277 |
JAFO Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:56:19pm |
how does Obama Care affect employers, it's not a mandate for employers to provide it.
| 278 |
teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:56:33pm |
Golly Charles I'm sure glad you didn't pick "999" for the drinking game.
| 279 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:56:43pm |
re: #272 Alexzander
Dear Santorum; Slow down and look less angry.
Santorum's seems so desperate it looks like he's trying out for a role in Glengarry Glen Ross.
| 281 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:56:43pm |
Santorum sounds too much like Sanitarium.
| 282 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:03pm |
re: #273 Killgore Trout
I think it's possible. He has problems with his own base but so does Obama. If he plays it right I think he has a decent chance.
He's the only one in a horse race with Obama. No-body else stands a snowflakes chance at the moment in polling.
| 283 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:08pm |
What a fucking mess. Charlie should have set stronger ground rules.
| 284 |
Meitantei Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:09pm |
My God, it's actually kinda sorta like a DEBATE. Who knew?
| 285 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:23pm |
re: #277 mracb
how does Obama Care affect employers, it's not a mandate for employers to provide it.
Obamacare's towards the top of the Right's list of reasons why the economy, despite Bush's tax cuts being extended, still aren't adding new jobs.
| 286 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:26pm |
| 287 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:40pm |
re: #283 Alexzander
What a fucking mess. Charlie should have set stronger ground rules.
Ball gags would help.
| 288 |
Targetpractice Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:47pm |
Thousands of new IRS employees? My bullshit-o-meter just exploded.
| 289 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:57:58pm |
re: #283 Alexzander
What a fucking mess. Charlie should have set stronger ground rules.
Have you ever seen his show? This is par for the course.
| 290 |
TedStriker Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:01pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
You lump in Pinochet with Reagan and Thatcher? Say what you will about Reagan and Thatcher's political views, but Pinochet was an inhumane beast of another color.
| 292 |
Linden Arden Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:11pm |
Huntman just repeated the 16,000 IRS agent lie.
He bumped it up though
| 293 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:22pm |
re: #277 mracb
how does Obama Care affect employers, it's not a mandate for employers to provide it.
Employers with under 8 employees aren't touched iirc.
| 294 |
Alexzander Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:31pm |
| 295 |
engineer cat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:41pm |
the health insurance industry, of course, loves the mandate
i wonder whose campaign they are going to be donating to next year
| 297 |
Areopagitica Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:58:54pm |
It must be nice being a blissfully ignorant tpGOPer, living in a reality of high unemployment, lower wages and benefits, outsourcing galore, personal debt all over the land, foreclosures, non-hiring highly selective massive "job creating" corporations, while thinking that its all the EPA's fault and engaged in a Ronald Reagan love-fest. Who wanted Glass-Stegel repealed? the banks? oh wait, it can't possibly be the fault of financial institutions that they made billions by its repeal? The intellectual and historical dishonesty running the republicans is making my brain vomit.
Michele the "i'm a tax attorney" Loon just said income taxes will go up to 75% in the future...um...okay. What if we just had no federal government, no services?????
All these other folks are jokesters. Charlie Rose and crew look like they are on their game tonight. These fake candidates talk like fools. Huntsman is too pragmatic for the GOP and its sad to see him have to pander to the crazies just to stay in the running.
In other news, Analysts are predicting that Wall street will be laying people off in the near future.
| 298 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:59:02pm |
re: #290 talon_262
You lump in Pinochet with Reagan and Thatcher? Say what you will about Reagan and Thatcher's political views, but Pinochet was an inhumane beast of another color.
Well...Herman Cain has cited Pinochet's social security program as a model in several debates already...so I think it's fair.
| 299 |
Major Tom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:59:24pm |
now bachmann and gingrich in the ring of death, FIGHT!
| 301 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 11, 2011 5:59:55pm |
re: #273 Killgore Trout
I think it's possible. He has problems with his own base but so does Obama. If he plays it right I think he has a decent chance.
Actually polls show that Obama is fine with his base.
Real Clear Politics’ latest data crunching pegs the President’s average approval among Democrats at a robust 76.8%. (For comparison, in October of 1995, soon-to-be-re-elected Bill Clinton’s Democratic support was a near-identical 77%, according to Gallup.) And what of the real left? The ones whose disappointment has been given voice by people like Drew Westen to Paul Krugman? It turns out self-identified liberals’ support for Obama isn’t far behind at 72% in Gallup’s latest tracking data. (The same group gave Clinton 65% approval in 1995)….
Romney quite literally has no base. That's why he's at 25% in the polls even thought he's been running for president for 5 years and nobody else is jumping in the race. The GOP field is closed and he has had no movement in national polls, he may win the nomination, but he's the weakest front runner I've ever seen with no natural constituency.
| 302 |
teleskiguy Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:00:00pm |
Speaking of "999," my LGF karma is a 777. That's better than "666," right?
| 303 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:00:16pm |
Out of American white, falling back on commie Italian Valpolicella.
| 304 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:00:36pm |
re: #299 Major Tom
now bachmann and gingrich in the ring of death, FIGHT!
Master/Blaster 2012
Who runs Bartertown?
| 305 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:00:40pm |
re: #277 mracb
how does Obama Care affect employers, it's not a mandate for employers to provide it.
The GOP is stuck in the 90s, that was Clintoncare that had the employer mandate.
| 306 |
JAFO Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:01:03pm |
re: #302 teleskiguy
Speaking of "999," my LGF karma is a 777. That's better than "666," right?
It's a Jackpot at least, ask Charles for your prize. ;)
| 307 |
darthstar Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:01:06pm |
It's like Lord of the Flies, only the island of people degrades much faster.
| 308 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:01:22pm |
re: #301 moderatelyradicalliberal
The Economist "The Front Runner Republicans Hate"
[Link: econ.st...]
| 309 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:01:32pm |
Part of Romney's problem is that he still seems like a rich guy who decided to take up running for President as a hobby.
| 311 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:00pm |
re: #271 darthstar
Oh, Santorum...just played the Newt card of "I'm feeling ignored and unloved!"
| 312 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:21pm |
re: #305 moderatelyradicalliberal
The GOP is stuck in the 90s, that was Clintoncare that had the employer mandate.
50's you are 40 years off.
| 313 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:38pm |
re: #302 teleskiguy
Speaking of "999," my LGF karma is a 777. That's better than "666," right?
| 314 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:39pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:52pm |
re: #309 Charleston Chew
Part of Romney's problem is that he still seems like a rich guy who decided to take up running for President as a hobby.
This. throw in the flip-flopping and not being a "real Christian" and he's got serious problems. I'll say it again, nobody likes him except for the blond on The View.
| 316 |
FemNaziBitch Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:53pm |
| 317 |
Major Tom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:02:58pm |
Romney has been told how presidential he looks too much
| 318 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:03:09pm |
re: #310 BishopX
What the hell is this, the half-time show?
Time to refill the chips and dip. Where's the dancing robot animation?
| 319 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:03:22pm |
| 320 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:04:00pm |
re: #317 Major Tom
Romney has been told how presidential he looks too much
It's like he looked in the mirror and thought, "hey, I've got presidential hair".
| 321 |
Major Tom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:04:21pm |
So Romney gets the nomination and takes Cain as his VP.... ? Possible? Likely?
| 322 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:04:30pm |
re: #317 Major Tom
Romney has been told how presidential he looks too much
Maybe he should run for "that guy who's picture is in picture frames at the store".
| 323 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:04:58pm |
re: #321 Major Tom
So Romney gets the nomination and takes Cain as his VP... ? Possible? Likely?
It would bring me back to the Church.
| 324 |
Major Tom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:06:11pm |
The GOP wants a general election candidate and they want someone who appeals to the nutjob...err tea partiers....
| 325 |
TedStriker Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:06:15pm |
| 329 |
TedStriker Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:15:34pm |
re: #298 darthstar
Well...Herman Cain has cited Pinochet's social security program as a model in several debates already...so I think it's fair.
You're shitting me? I'm at work, so I can't watch it, but really?
| 330 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:16:07pm |
| 331 |
TedStriker Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:16:09pm |
re: #302 teleskiguy
Speaking of "999," my LGF karma is a 777. That's better than "666," right?
Karma whore!!!!11ty
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Barflytom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:06:46pm |
re: #221 wozzablog
They were all advanced, wealthy countries before they adopted socialist policies. ( And Norway has huge oil reserves in proportion to their population).
If you have enough capital accumulated from previous generations, you can make socialism work for quite a long time before the money runs out.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:10:16pm |
re: #202 Barflytom
"...Republican candidates explaining why the most draconian far right economic solutions that have never worked before need to be given one more try…"
Just to go back to your opening statement. Examples ?
Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet ? So none of their "far right" solutions worked ? Got any examples of leftie "solutions" achieving anything ?
Lefty Solutions that have worked?
What was wrong with the New Deal?
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Barflytom Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:13:51pm |
re: #239 Charles
Pinochet! And now I laugh.
You miss my point.
I think it's easier to defend the legacy and real, practical effects of Pinochet - or Warren G Harding - than to make a case for any leftie leader.
Consider the alternatives that were available at the time.
How does Chile look now compared to Cuba for example ?
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jamesfirecat Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:17:49pm |
re: #334 Barflytom
You miss my point.
I think it's easier to defend the legacy and real, practical effects of Pinochet - or Warren G Harding - than to make a case for any leftie leader.Consider the alternatives that were available at the time.
How does Chile look now compared to Cuba for example ?
FDR was a lefty Leader, JFK was a lefty leader, Bill Clinton was a lefty leader.... and he managed to make our economy boom even while raising taxes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:18:35pm |
re: #334 Barflytom
That's what all the Stalin apologists say. "He received the country which had plows and left it with the atom bomb", blah blah. You can't ignore the murder and torture while considering the "legacy". That you would drop a murderer's name so easily while discussing "policy" is telling.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 11, 2011 7:26:35pm |
re: #334 Barflytom
You miss my point.
I think it's easier to defend the legacy and real, practical effects of Pinochet - or Warren G Harding - than to make a case for any leftie leader.Consider the alternatives that were available at the time.
How does Chile look now compared to Cuba for example ?
Sure, let's just ignore the horrific torture, the murders, the disappearances -- he got the trains running on time!
Wow. Right wing moral bankruptcy, in your face.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:01:44pm |
re: #334 Barflytom
You miss my point.
I think it's easier to defend the legacy and real, practical effects of Pinochet - or Warren G Harding - than to make a case for any leftie leader.Consider the alternatives that were available at the time.
How does Chile look now compared to Cuba for example ?
Harding is easy to defend compared to murderous dictators. It is probably unfair that the corruption of his administration overshadows all else. He was easily the strongest civil rights President between the two Roosevelts, for example, and a dramatic contrast to Wilson in that respect. He supported the federal anti-lynching bill and would have signed it had a southern filibuster not killed it in the Senate. His administrator also initiated the Washington Conference on Naval Armaments, which led to the first successful international arms limitation treaty in modern times.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Oct 11, 2011 8:21:23pm |
I recently received this reply from my congressman in response to the simple question: "What can you do that can put as many or more people to work as President Obama's job plan?" I'm not impressed. Discuss if you wish.
Restoring our economy and allowing job creation to happen should be our first priority in this Congress. Too many citizens throughout America have lost their job through no fault of their own. In times like these, leaders should be able to put politics aside and not just give speeches, but be willing to take action.
The House has been focused on creating an environment where American businesses and job creators can succeed. We have sent legislation to the Senate that would introduce certainty into the economy by ensuring stable fiscal, regulatory, and tax policies. We passed a responsible budget, a task the Senate has not even attempted in more than two years. We voted to stop regulations that would impose a massive energy tax. We passed a measure to stop the National Labor Relations Board from telling American companies where they can invest and create jobs in this country. Instead of unnecessarily restricting domestic energy production, we have passed four separate bills to allow the energy we use to be made right here in America by American workers. We have signed into law a repeal of unfair tax requirements that were included in the healthcare reform bill and have begun the process of enacting comprehensive, permanent, revenue-neutral tax reform. These are just some of the clear examples of our commitment to doing what it takes to allow our economy to recover.
President Obama recently submitted his $450 billion "American Jobs Act," the second major stimulus bill of his presidency. While it seems that unfortunately the majority of this bill is just more of the same economic policies that have failed before, several of the President's proposals merit consideration. You can be sure that I will support those measures that will actually allow for job creation.
We know what does not help: wasteful government "stimulus" spending, crushing government regulations issued by unelected bureaucrats, and burdensome government taxes on job creators. More government is not the solution; too much government intervention in the economy has been part of the problem. Instead, the government's responsibility is to create the atmosphere in which the engines of our economy can thrive and succeed. Small businesses are our best innovators and job creators and we should be doing more to help them, not make their efforts more difficult.
Excessive government spending does not stimulate the economy; it only crowds out investment and stifles real growth. If government spending created jobs, we would be doing just fine now. We have tried that path, and it does not work, as our unemployment rates of over eight percent since President Obama's first stimulus spending bill have shown. Since 2007, annual government spending has jumped by more than a trillion dollars, forcing us to borrow more than 40 cents for each dollar we spend. Getting government out of the way will put this money to better use, allowing the economy to recover and create jobs here at home.
Currently, the federal government has more than 4,250 new regulations in the pipeline, all written by unelected bureaucrats. At least 219 of these will have an impact on the economy of more than $100 million per year. At a time when we should be making it easier for small businesses, these regulations are driving up costs and holding back private-sector job creation. That is why I am a cosponsor of H.R. 10, the Regulations from the Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act of 2011, which would require Congress to sign off on any major regulation that could be overly burdensome on job creators. This important measure will be under consideration by the House in the weeks ahead, as will reviews of several specific regulations that have been identified as harming job creation.
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