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If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.
— Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:32:34pm |
Hoosier … I hope you went to the OSU party … I think the Sooners were the main dish.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:35:39pm |
re: #2 _RememberTonyC
Hoosier … I hope you went to the OSU party … I think the Sooners were the main dish.
It really sucked…Sooner Nation is really bummed out…The Food was really good..
Can’t wait till Basketball on Christmas day…
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:37:56pm |
re: #3 HoosierHoops
It really sucked…Sooner Nation is really bummed out…The Food was really good..
Can’t wait till Basketball on Christmas day…
You got that right! The Wisconsin/Michigan State game was outstanding. Montee Ball had 4 more TD’s …
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:41:17pm |
re: #4 _RememberTonyC
You got that right! The Wisconsin/Michigan State game was outstanding. Montee Ball had 4 more TD’s …
I caught the ending.. Played in Indy…I hope Wisconsin wins the Rose Bowl.. I never have liked Oregon.. I had a friend email a pic of his dog in a duck outfit..I hope they lose big time
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:44:45pm |
I hope the Big Ten wins the Rose Bowl as well. My youngest son is a Michigan Wolverine, so I am rooting for the conference. And I hope UM gets the Sugar Bowl nod.
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Kragar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:46:45pm |
Man, I was bitching about spending $30 bucks on Mucinex D, but after 2 days, its dried me out. After a week of being congested, its great.
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EdDantes Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:48:56pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Man, I was bitching about spending $30 bucks on Mucinex D, but after 2 days, its dried me out. After a week of being congested, its great.
In the middle ages you would have to sacrifice a chicken to get relief.
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Kragar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:50:57pm |
re: #9 EdDantes
In the middle ages you would have to sacrifice a chicken to get relief.
I had chicken last night, does that count?
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EdDantes Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:56:18pm |
re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had chicken last night, does that count?
Only if it was consecrated.
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Kragar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:58:07pm |
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EdDantes Sat, Dec 3, 2011 10:59:23pm |
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Kragar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:02:07pm |
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wheat-dogghazi Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:11:46pm |
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Kragar Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:14:37pm |
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:16:30pm |
Hello Targetpractice… Had an interesting day at the range. 3 gun competition. All on steel.
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prairiefire Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:21:58pm |
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wheat-dogghazi Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:28:27pm |
re: #20 EdDantes
Then don’t tell Pam Geller.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:32:31pm |
Proof that the GOP is off the rails:
Iowa Poll: Newt Gingrich leads three-candidate race in Iowa
Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich has carved out a clear lead in what’s become a three-candidate race in Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register’s new Iowa Poll.
Texas Rep. Ron Paul has risen into second place, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has slid to third with just over a month before the Iowa caucuses kick off voting in the presidential nominating process.
Gingrich has support from 25 percent of likely Republican caucusgoers, Paul is at 18 percent and Romney at 16 percent.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann ties with retired Georgia business executive Herman Cain at 8 percent.
The poll was conducted before Cain suspended his candidacy on Saturday.
Rounding out the field: Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania at 6 percent each, and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 2 percent.
Selzer & Co. of Des Moines conducted the poll of 401 likely Republican caucusgoers Nov. 27-30. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points.
[…]
With only a month to go till the Iowa caucuses, and the “likely caucusgoers” in Iowa still don’t like Mitt. Poor Santorum and Huntsman - no scandals or bad press (as far as Republicans would be concerned) but they get no love, while a known blowhard/adulterer and a senile nut get the love.
It will be a very interesting day on Jan 4, 2012.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:36:07pm |
Proof that we (as a society) have learned nothing from the past 3 years:
This is one of the few remaining undeveloped coastal areas of Orange County (probably the largest undeveloped coastal parcel). Of course this property went into bankruptcy in 2008 (Lehman provided the funding). It looks like it is moving ahead now …
From the O.C. Register: Future O.C. outlet mall names 21 stores
Plaza San Clemente, an outlet shopping center, has released the names for 21 retailers that have signed leases to open there.
The outlet shopping center, located at Avenida Vista Hermosa off the 5 Freeway, is part of the Marblehead oceanfront development. Plaza San Clemente will feature nearly 600,000 square feet of multiple retail uses. It will include 350,000 square feet of outlets and complementing retail, a large multiplex cinema, a mixture of dinner houses and casual dining, a hotel with conference facilities and neighborhood services.
[…]
Heh, we get to kill two birds with one stone: get rid of that nasty natural coastline, and build another cheap mall with yet more cinemas and bad food.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:37:19pm |
re: #22 freetoken
Proof that the GOP is off the rails:
Iowa Poll: Newt Gingrich leads three-candidate race in Iowa
With only a month to go till the Iowa caucuses, and the “likely caucusgoers” in Iowa still don’t like Mitt. Poor Santorum and Huntsman - no scandals or bad press (as far as Republicans would be concerned) but they get no love, while a known blowhard/adulterer and a senile nut get the love.
It will be a very interesting day on Jan 4, 2012.
Paul is ahead of Romney. Jeesh.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:37:25pm |
re: #22 freetoken
I think it’s this weekend that Townhall dot com is running their presidential poll. Results should be funny!
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:39:02pm |
re: #24 HappyWarrior
Yeah. I wonder what the actual caucus outcome will be. If Newt does take the biggest share, and Paul beats Romney for 2nd, then I think we can write off the Iowa GOP from being relevant to the future of life in America.
re: #25 Floral Giraffe
I’d bet that Romney doesn’t win… but nobody will give me odds on a sure thing.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:41:07pm |
re: #26 freetoken
Yeah. I wonder what the actual caucus outcome will be. If Newt does take the biggest share, and Paul beats Romney for 2nd, then I think we can write off the Iowa GOP from being relevant to the future of life in America.
re: #25 Floral Giraffe
I’d bet that Romney doesn’t win… but nobody will give me odds on a sure thing.
Paul doing well in Iowa wouldn’t shock me actually. Midwest has always been fertile ground for those who think like him in foreign policy.The fact that Vander Plaatz nearly became the GOP nominee tells you a bit about the GOP there. Well not nearly but a noted birther and man whose newsletter said blacks were better off under slavery getting 40% of the vote in a primary is telling.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:55:42pm |
So, how well does polling a month ahead of the Iowa caucus work as actually predicting the outcome?
From almost exactly 4 years ago:
Huckabee Surges, Obama Gains in Iowa
Dec 6, 2007 7:00 PM EST
The new NEWSWEEK poll shows the former Arkansas governor now has a two-to-one lead over Romney, while Barack improves against Hillary
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has vaulted over his major GOP challengers to take a commanding lead in the race to win the Iowa caucuses, while Barack Obama continues to edge ahead of Hillary Clinton among Democrats likely to participate, a new NEWSWEEK poll shows.The most dramatic result to come out of the poll, which is based on telephone interviews with 1,408 registered Iowa voters on Dec. 5 and 6, is Huckabee’s emergence from the shadows of the GOP race into the front runner’s spot in just two months. The ordained Southern Baptist minister now leads Romney by a two-to-one margin, 39 percent to 17 percent, among likely GOP caucus-goers. In the last NEWSWEEK survey, conducted Sept. 26-27, Huckabee polled a mere 6 percent to Romney’s 25 percent, which then led the field.
[…]
This year has been even crazier than 4 years ago, but one thing I note is that 4 years ago the vaulting Huckabee made it impossible for Romney to make up the ground.
Now history tells us that Huckabee faded elsewhere, and the eventual GOP candidate did not court Iowa. I propose that this year too will work out the same: Iowa will not be a decider. Even if Newt takes Iowa, I’ll wait to see what happens in SC before I change my prediction that Romney will indeed be the nominee.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:57:35pm |
re: #29 freetoken
I REALLY REALLY want Michelle Bachman to win the nomination.
Can you imagine?
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EdDantes Sat, Dec 3, 2011 11:59:10pm |
Good night, everyone .God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all.
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:02:42am |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
Even in her birth state she’s not going to take a very big share. Between the Stepford Wives look and the simple fact of being a woman she gets disqualified in peoples’ minds, even if they actually agree with her on many issues.
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:14:24am |
Meanwhile down in Durban… it’s the day off for COP17 official meetings, and the pressers will mostly be dominated by NGOs pushing this or that agenda.
Things will heat up on Monday as the formal statements from head of states or their representatives fill up hours of time in the big hall but behind the scenes they frantically scramble to produce something by next Thursday to show that something was actually accomplished.
I don’t expect anything newsworthy, but a total meltdown of the COP is possible.
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engineer cat Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:16:58am |
the vaulting Huckabee
huckabees should never vault
never
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:25:09am |
For those of us who haven’t memorized the basic google tricks:
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 12:33:56am |
The latest XKCD seems relevant to current GOP politics.
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boxhead Sun, Dec 4, 2011 1:55:28am |
re: #39 freetoken
cool stuff.. reminds me of the jazz dude who did Peanuts…
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boxhead Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:02:06am |
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 3:54:14am |
re: #40 boxhead
Thanks.
The artist is Jacques Loussier.
It’s from one of his Bach albums. Titled “Chorale No. 1”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:18:22am |
re: #44 freetoken
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:23:40am |
re: #42 wheatdogg
Vince Guaraldi Trio
Not all Peanuts. Just the title of this changed my lifecourse 90 degrees in 1962.
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freetoken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:07am |
Democracy, free market style:
Vote-buying intensifies, survey finds
DESPITE a recent wave of rejection of vote-buying by candidates running for seats in the upcoming general election, Jamaicans are still selling their votes; in some cases for as little as $500, a new study has found.
University of the West Indies anthropologist Dr Herbert Gayle, in a ‘snapshot’ study done between November 23 and 30, 2011, canvassed the opinions of 240 young men and women in urban and rural Jamaica across 12 parishes, including 27 constituencies.
The respondents were grouped by age and geography[…]
The surveyors asked the respondents the following questions:
1. Have you ever witnessed persons receiving gifts or money from politicians at election time?
2. What do they normally receive?
3. When was the last time you witnessed such activities?They were also asked to say which of the following applied to them regarding receiving gifts from politicians at election time:
* Yes, I have, but it never affected the way I voted.
* Yes, I have, and to tell the truth, it affected the way I voted.
* Yes, I have, because none of them is any different and so I have voted for the one that pays me.
* I would vote for anyone who pays me; why not?
* I would take money from a politician, but it would not affect my vote.
* No, I have never done so.
* No, I have never done so, and never will.The UWI anthropologist declined to reveal which 27 constituencies were surveyed for what he said were ethical reasons. However, of the island’s 14 parishes, the study only excluded Hanover and St Elizabeth for reasons of access. […]
The research team, he said, found there was evidence of vote-buying in almost all of the 27 constituencies canvassed.“The shocking finding is that only one of the 27 constituencies provided no evidence of vote-buying… So widespread is the practice that in some constituencies the team interviewed less than 10 persons conveniently, and a third of these persons had experienced vote-buying. Note that more than a third (88 of 240) of the sample has experienced direct face-to-face vote-buying,” said Gayle.
The data also suggest that the poorer and more desperate the people of the constituency are, the cheaper their votes can be bought.
“Several persons in the inner cities received no more than $500, though the two modal receipts were $2,000 and $5,000. The poor were also very likely to be trapped with food. In some cases their package never amounted to more than $1,000. There were a few, however, who received as much as 50 pounds of rice, along with (tinned) mackerel,” said the anthropologist.
“The poor were also likely to receive phone cards and even mattresses. The rural poor were very likely to be baited with livestock, seeds and fertiliser. In a few cases, both rural and urban near-poor were drawn by construction material. A few received vouchers of $20,000 and $40,000 which they could take to specific hardware stores. These were told to the researchers who called to verify that the data was accurate.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:34am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:28:35am |
re: #43 freetoken
Thanks.
The artist is Jacques Loussier.
It’s from one of his Bach albums. Titled “Chorale No. 1”
Sleepers Awake—very appropriate, but needs moar coffee.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:30:09am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:31:49am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:33:09am |
re: #54 Varek Raith
I thought I blew that up.
Wrong sun, doofus. You need to work on your gravitational lensing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:33:58am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:34:35am |
re: #55 Decatur Deb
Wrong sun, doofus. You need to work on your gravitational lensing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:34:42am |
re: #54 Varek Raith
I thought I blew that up.
Shouldn’t do blowing up before coffee, too many mistakes :P
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:38:48am |
re: #47 Decatur Deb
Not all Peanuts. Just the title of this changed my lifecourse 90 degrees in 1962.
[Video]
This one did the same for me:
Institutionalized
Youtube Video
All I wanted was a freaking pepsi!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:44:51am |
re: #49 freetoken
It would rock to get paid to vote by a politician. Take the money, vote for the other guy.
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:49:13am |
re: #60 Decatur Deb
To the better, I hope.
I’m not sure. The only thing that keeps me from rooting for Varek to destroy the earth is that’s where I keep all my soda. If I ever find an off planet storage facility I’ll sign up to be one of his minions.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:52:46am |
Was looking for a Russian baroque accordionist Gallina, when I found this. It has it all:
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 4:54:20am |
How would Victoria’s Secret Angels shape up if they gained 100 pounds each? Models are given the FatBooth treatment
dailymail.co.uk
before:
Image: article-0-0F0808FC00000578-47_306x423.jpg
after:
Image: article-2069370-0F08092000000578-946_306x423.jpg
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:01:09am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:02:28am |
45,000 Germans evacuated due to WWII bombs
Berlin (CNN) — Life has come to a standstill in the western German city of Koblenz, where 45,000 people — nearly half of the city´s population — have been evacuated after the discovery of several dangerous World War II bombs.
“It´s the largest German evacuation since the end of the war,” fire brigade spokesman Ronald Eppelsheim said Sunday.
For 65 years, the Rhine River hid three bombs that were dropped by American and British warplanes in the last years of the war. When water levels dropped to record lows last week, the bombs were finally found.
“While time passed by, and Koblenz was rebuild(ing), the bombs got even more dangerous”, bomb-disposal squad member Jurgen Wagner said Sunday.
The largest of the explosives is a 1.8-ton British air bomb that has the potential to destroy the city´s center, according to the fire brigade.
But the focus of attention isn’t on the largest bomb — it’s on the much smaller, 125-kilogram (275-pound) American high-explosive bomb. “This one has been transformed on impact of the earth. We might have some serious problems deactivating the detonator,” Wagner said.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:03:56am |
re: #66 Varek Raith
I wonder whether the UK and US military will offer their aid.
Kind awkward.
“So, Hans… do you, uh, want any help with that bomb of yours? I mean, of ours?”
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:04:24am |
re: #65 Obdicut
I just killed a backward flying dragon.
Yeah, Bethesada’s going to fix that this week.
Allegedly.
Your resistances are also very much broken.
;)
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:06:25am |
re: #67 Obdicut
I wonder whether the UK and US military will offer their aid.
Kind awkward.
“So, Hans… do you, uh, want any help with that bomb of yours? I mean, of ours?”
I can’t imagine what it would feel like to wake up an be informed you’ve been living next to an unstable 2 ton bomb for your entire life.
:/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:06:33am |
re: #65 Obdicut
I just killed a backward flying dragon.
Is it in a specific location or a random encounter?
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:07:35am |
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:07:38am |
re: #69 Varek Raith
I can’t imagine what it would feel like to wake up an be informed you’ve been living next to an unstable 2 ton bomb for your entire life.
:/
There’s a marriage joke in there somewhere
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:09:47am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:12:08am |
re: #68 Varek Raith
I noticed. Since I’m too low-level to have any good resistances, I don’t care that much.
I do like how the dragons are batwing-style and move awkwardly on the ground.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:12:25am |
re: #35 freetoken
Thanks for to tips on how to use Google. From my own experiences I have found that Dogpile has a more specific search engine. When I was tutoring I used both search engines.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:12:34am |
re: #70 Sergey Romanov
Is it in a specific location or a random encounter?
The one that the racists ask you to go kill.
Very much black and grey morality in that game.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:14:33am |
re: #77 Obdicut
The one that the racists ask you to go kill.
Very much black and grey morality in that game.
Tongue Overlook or something?
(I won’t be getting any patches, heh.)
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:15:15am |
re: #78 Sergey Romanov
There’s lots of hot springs with some hunters chilling in them. And now there’s a big pile of dragon bones too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:16:18am |
re: #79 Obdicut
There’s lots of hot springs with some hunters chilling in them. And now there’s a big pile of dragon bones too.
Ah, I know that area. But nobody asked me to kill that dragon IIRC.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:16:36am |
re: #79 Obdicut
There’s lots of hot springs with some hunters chilling in them. And now there’s a big pile of dragon bones too.
Yol Toor Shul took care of them nicely.
Bastards.
:P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:17:27am |
re: #79 Obdicut
There’s lots of hot springs with some hunters chilling in them. And now there’s a big pile of dragon bones too.
LOL, pile of dragon bones. I think I killed one in Falkreath, so each time I appeared there the pile was in the new place, closer and closer to the city gates (like a Stephen King story…). One time it ended *above* the gates and was swinging in the wind.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:17:55am |
re: #82 Sergey Romanov
LOL, pile of dragon bones. I think I killed one in Falkreath, so each time I appeared there the pile was in the new place, closer and closer to the city gates (like a Stephen King story…). One time it ended *above* the gates and was swinging in the wind.
That’s another bug.
;)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:18:06am |
re: #81 Varek Raith
Yol Toor Shul took care of them nicely.
Bastards.
:P
Chilling in your eyesight is a high crime!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:18:21am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:19:23am |
re: #84 Sergey Romanov
Chilling in your eyesight is a high crime!
Just how I roll.
I find it amusing when some random fool insults me for no reason.
He goes bye bye.
XD
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:20:10am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:20:20am |
re: #86 Varek Raith
Nah, I leave my mayhem to unsaved encounters :P
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:20:56am |
re: #87 Varek Raith
There is a fix.
If you know how to use the console.
Why would I fix something that awesome?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:21:14am |
re: #49 freetoken
Jamaicans are still selling their votes; in some cases for as little as $500, a new study has found.
Prices Egyptians can only dream of.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:21:38am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:23:04am |
I’ve really taken a liking to the Ice Spikes. Work good against the stronger draugrs.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:24:03am |
re: #92 Sergey Romanov
I’ve really taken a liking to the Ice Spikes. Work good against the stronger draugrs.
You know what’s funny?
Watching your zombie mudcrab kill a bandit.
Lulz.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:24:12am |
re: #92 Sergey Romanov
I’ve really taken a liking to the Ice Spikes. Work good against the stronger draugrs.
(They’re funny to boot. And completely absurdly absurd too. People won’t die instantly from an 1 m spike lodged in their skull? Oh-kay…)
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:24:52am |
Dogs’ Evidence Stands as Woman Waits in Jail
nytimes.com
Ms. Winfrey; her brother, Richard Winfrey Jr.; and their father were charged with conspiring to murder and rob Murray Burr, a longtime custodial worker at the high school the Winfreys attended.
Both the father and the son are free after courts decided the state’s key evidence — obtained in scent lineups — was not enough to establish their guilt. Ms. Winfrey remains in a Gatesville prison despite the fact that her conviction hinged largely on the same dog-sniffing evidence.
If you haven’t, read the whole thing. The whole story is too stupid to paraphrase.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:27:36am |
re: #95 RogueOne
The words you bolded are enough for me. Not as stupid as the guy who was accused of raping his daughter on the basis of unofficial polygraph testing and a drawing by his daughter which had a cat with a big furry tail, which drawing told something or other to the “expert psychologist”. Got 13 years (and you can imagine what those are for an accused pedophile in Russia).
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:30:03am |
re: #97 Sergey Romanov
Did you ever read the Troy Davis ruling?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:31:35am |
re: #98 000G
Did you ever read the Troy Davis ruling?
Never got around to it. So much to read besides. Just finished going through the materials of the 1947 Hoess trial and Auschwitz staff trial.
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:31:45am |
re: #97 Sergey Romanov
A lot of people charged with that don’t make it out alive here, I can only imagine what it’s like there.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:33:05am |
re: #99 Sergey Romanov
Is the former the one with the alleged “witness evidence obtained under torture”?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:33:21am |
re: #100 RogueOne
A lot of people charged with that don’t make it out alive here, I can only imagine what it’s like there.
If he manages to convince the prison mates that he was falsely accused, he may get by. It’s possible. They can have more common sense than Russian courts, sometimes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:34:58am |
re: #101 000G
Is the former the one with the alleged “witness evidence obtained under torture”?
No, Hoess was tortured by the British upon capture. I’ve seen no evidence of any subsequent torture. As I read these trials, they’re bona fide (well, as far as was possible under the circumstances), not Stalinist spectacles.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:10am |
re: #103 Sergey Romanov
I just remember reading several deniers citing the torture as proof that Hoess’ testimony isn’t reliable or somesuch. Didn’t know whether it was ued in any trial.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:36:59am |
Apropos, I really want to read something good on the Waldheim trials. Any suggestions?
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RogueOne Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:38:17am |
re: #102 Sergey Romanov
My BiL, who is in a federal prison, had an interesting (in a sociological sense) story about pedos in prison. Prison gangs are broken down by race and just about everyone is in a gang. If they know a child molester is coming in (and they always know, they’re better at sending messages around than western union) his own racial group/gang is usually the one that tries to take him out. If they don’t do it first they lose face.
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Flounder Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:38:32am |
Well, today is the day the whole family ventures into the great outdoors in hunt for the elusive perfect Christmas tree. I dread going but I end up having a good time. One of the kids wants to bring the dog, which means plenty of barking (he’s not used to being leashed). Well the kids are up, gotta make breffast, pancakes or waffles?!
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:39:42am |
re: #108 Shropshire_Slasher
Enjoy. I personally prefer pancakes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:41:07am |
re: #105 000G
I just remember reading several deniers citing the torture as proof that Hoess’ testimony isn’t reliable or somesuch. Didn’t know whether it was ued in any trial.
Hoess’ earlier statements should be treated with caution. He almost certainly made some claims (like his initial admission of 3 million death toll) under influence of torture. That he got much better treated by the Polish commies is ironic, of course, but it is mostly from his memoirs and statements made in Poland that we know both about the circumstances of his capture and some more objective information (e.g. he lowers the death toll to the almost real figure). (Although some of his captors also didn’t hide that they mistreated him.)
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:41:40am |
re: #108 Shropshire_Slasher
Tax evaders! Trying to avoid paying the 15-cent “Xmas tree tax”, huh?
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Flounder Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:43:12am |
re: #111 wheatdogg
They are welcome to come out and get their 15 cents.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:46:19am |
re: #112 Shropshire_Slasher
You could just dig a little hole next to your cut tree’s stump, and drop in the change. Leave a puzzle for some future archaeologist to ponder.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:49:37am |
re: #105 000G
Here’s a description from the 1947 trial itself (as quoted during the Eichmann trial):
When I was interrogated for the first time in the British Zone, those examining me said to me, all the time, that five - six - seven million people must have died in the gas chambers; all the time they bombarded me with huge numbers such as these, and I was obliged to provide some data, in order to establish how many were put to death in the gas chambers, and the interrogators told me that there must have been at least three million. Under the suggestive influence of these large figures, I arrived at the total of three million. But I was relying on the fact that I could not mention any other number - I always said this - namely that I was unable to mention any figure other than the one which I have now arrived at, and that is two and a half million.
The Prosecutor General asks: And so, two and a half million was the figure which Eichmann passed on in his report?
The accused [Hoess]:
Eichmann was ordered, before the German collapse, to report to Himmler, and here again he fixed the overall number of Jews who had been exterminated. On that journey he made an inspection tour of Auschwitz, visiting Gluecks, and he ordered me to be present at that discussion. When I came into the room, precisely at that moment, Eichmann was speaking of two and a half million in connection with Auschwitz. This had been mentioned previously. What had transpired before, and whether this was the correct number of Jews who were sent to their deaths in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, this I do not know.
Here he omits the mention of the mistreatment during this first period, but he provides details about that in his autobiography.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:54:53am |
re: #113 wheatdogg
You could just dig a little hole next to your cut tree’s stump, and drop in the change. Leave a puzzle for some future archaeologist to ponder.
In our Anthro department, it was a custom for archaeologists doing sample squares to leave a few nickels at the sterile level before closing the pit. A gesture to imagined future archaeologists.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 5:57:13am |
re: #110 Sergey Romanov
Hey Sergey, am I right in thinking that lesbians weren’t made to wear pink triangles in the camps, and that the Nazis mainly focused on gay men— out of any tolerance for lesbianism but more just not treating it is a real thing in the first place? I mean, obviously lesbians were oppressed under the Nazis, but specifically the pink triangle, was that a gay male thing?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:03:17am |
re: #116 Obdicut
Women weren’t persecuted for homosexuality under StGB paragraph 175. The pink triangle was exclusively for males.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:04:45am |
Good summary of the facts on de.wikipedia.org
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:06:58am |
re: #116 Obdicut
It appears that there seems to be no info on pink triangle on women:
joerg-hutter.de
Über Rosa-Winkel-Frauen im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz wissen wir bis heute so gut wie gar nichts. Bekannt ist durch Forschungen von Claudia Schoppmann, dass die Nationalsozialisten lesbisch oft mit asozial gleichsetzten und die betreffenden Frauen als Sozialverfolgte interniert gewesen sind. Viele lesbische Frauen waren zudem gezwungen, in den Lagerbordellen zu ‚arbeiten’. Schoppmann berichtet von der Einrichtung einer Frauenabteilung im Stammlager Auschwitz, deren Insassen zum großen Teil aus dem Konzentrationslager Ravensbrück stammten. Noch existente Listen von Frauentransporten umfassen Angaben zu 75.697 Frauen, die bis zum Februar 1944 dort registriert und eingewiesen wurden.
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Romantic Heretic Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:09:53am |
On the quote in Charles original post.
Questions are far more important than answers because they give the answer context.
Four is an answer. But multiple questions lead there.
Two plus two is the first question that comes to mind, but three plus one and six minus two work as well.
And four what? If four is your place on a wealth scale, two plus two is an improvement, three plus one is a bigger improvement while six minus two means things are worse.
If four is a position on a scale of danger then two plus two is worse, three plus one is much worse and six minus two is better.
Questions are more important than answers.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:12:01am |
re: #119 Sergey Romanov
The German Wikipedia article calls the assertion that Lesbians got the black “asocial” triangle an unfounded rumor.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:21:46am |
re: #23 freetoken
Proof that we (as a society) have learned nothing from the past 3 years:
[…]
Heh, we get to kill two birds with one stone: get rid of that nasty natural coastline, and build another cheap mall with yet more cinemas and bad food.
Oh, cool off. Unemployment is high enough as is. Do not disrespect a commercial development that will employ hundreds of people.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:23:47am |
MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:40:12am |
re: #117 000G
Women weren’t persecuted for homosexuality under StGB paragraph 175. The pink triangle was exclusively for males.
That is my understanding as well. Male homosexuality was hated due to its being seen as feminizing men, and its prominence in the clique around SA leader Ernst Rohm, whom Hitler had had killed in the infamous “Night of the Long Knives”. This purge and the subsequent persecutions of gay men put the lie to the “Hitler needed gay soldiers to carry out his worst cruelties” trash put about by Bryan Fischer and his own clique.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:44:43am |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
Oh, cool off. Unemployment is high enough as is. Do not disrespect a commercial development that will employ hundreds of people.
Have you been in a mall recently that had anything close to full occupancy? I mean tenants, not customers.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:46:42am |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
Paragraph 175 dates back to 1871, the creation of the German Reich. Anti-homosexuality laws are much older than nazism.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:47:29am |
re: #123 000G
MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!
I AGREE
Image: cylon.jpg
oh, wait. “Pylons.” Never mind.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 6:47:52am |
re: #124 Dark_Falcon
The Pink Swastika thesis is that the “butch” homosexuals persecuted the “feminine” homosexuals (among others). The thesis is crafted so that it’s cannot be refuted by a simple “gays were persecuted too” argument, though of course it’s not less false or bigoted. It’s absolutely equivalent to Jew-counting among the Bolsheviks to “prove” that Bolshevism is Jewish.
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Flounder Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:01:50am |
Heh, Animal House is on, I think I’ll watch waiting my turn in the shower. Enjoy the day!! TOGA!TOGA!TOGA!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:03:32am |
So I decided to see what the Pink Swastika has to say about the camps. Among other things:
At Auschwitz, for example, Kapo
Ludwig Tiene became the most prolific mass murderer of all time
by strangling, crushing and gnawing to death as many as 100 boys
and young men a day while he raped them (ibid.:143).
Now, I know Auschwitz history quite well, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this particular alleged monster. Google search showed that this whole claim is based on some of KaTzetnik’s stories (and KaTzetnik, AKA Yehiel Dinur, was basically a crazy guy without credibility). More shocking is that even the Conservapedia gets it right!
conservapedia.com
Cameron also makes the oft-repeated claim that an “Auschwitz executioner”, Ludwig Tiene, performed numerous violent homosexual acts. The only evidence of Tiene’s existence comes from a single book, They Called Him Piepel, a.k.a. Moni or Atrocity, by Auschwitz survivor Yehiel Dinur[2]. Dinur had, understandably, serious issues with post-traumatic stress disorder for the remainder of his life following his two-year incarceration at Auschwitz. His literary works about Auschwitz have been criticized by fellow survivors as being factually inaccurate[3]. Some modern Jewish scholars describe his works as pornographic fiction rather than accurate historical accounts. At any rate, Tiene was described in the book as a Lageralteste- a senior camp inmate, not one of the Nazi guards[4].
Such is the scholarship of the Pink Swastika.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:10:41am |
Another example:
Rudolf Hoess, the infamous commandant of Auschwitz, defined “genuine homosexuals… [by their] soft and girlish affectations and fastidiousness, their sickly sweet manner of speech, and their altogether too affectionate deportment toward their fellows” (Hoess in ibid.:137f). These “genuine homosexuals” were considered incorrigible and held in special barracks, while many non-effeminate homosexuals were released (ibid.:137). It is probable that Hoess was homosexual. He had been a member of Gerhard Rossbach’s homosexual Freikorps and a close friend of Edmund Heines (Snyder:301), the procurer of boys for Roehm’s pederastic orgies.
Of course, the authors cite no concrete evidence that it is “probable” that Hoess was a homosexual. Because there is none. He lived with his wife and children in Auschwitz. And not only that, the example of his lover, Eleonore Hodys, whom he tried to kill when she became pregnant, is quite infamous and had been investigated by the SS judge Konrad Morgen.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:11:06am |
re: #125 negativ
Have you been in a mall recently that had anything close to full occupancy? I mean tenants, not customers.
Yes, actually. You will find very few vacant storefronts are Westfield Shoppingtown Old Orchard (it’s in Skokie, IL).
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:14:18am |
re: #131 Sergey Romanov
So I decided to see what the Pink Swastika has to say about the camps. Among other things:
Now, I know Auschwitz history quite well, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this particular alleged monster. Google search showed that this whole claim is based on some of KaTzetnik’s stories (and KaTzetnik, AKA Yehiel Dinur, was basically a crazy guy without credibility). More shocking is that even the Conservapedia gets it right!
[Link: conservapedia.com…]Such is the scholarship of the Pink Swastika.
When Andy Schlafly is using you for his “Sister Soulja Moment”, you really must be around the bend.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:14:48am |
Iran Says It Shot Down Unmanned U.S. Plane
Iran’s semiofficial Fars news agency says the country’s armed forces have shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that violated Iranian airspace along its eastern border.
The report says the plane was an RQ170 type drone and is now in the possession of Iran’s armed forces. The Fars news agency is close to the powerful Revolutionary Guard.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:16:28am |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
I strongly suspect it’s a sabotage-with-rationality moment that has simply gone unnoticed ;)
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:16:37am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
I will wait for some more independent confirmation.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:20:23am |
re: #137 PhillyPretzel
I will wait for some more independent confirmation.
They’re still working on the photoshop.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:21:22am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
I doubt that a good bit. Here’s the RQ-170’s Wkipedia write-up and below is an excerpt:
Development
The RQ-170 Sentinel was developed by Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works as a stealth Unmanned Aeriel Vehicles [UAV]. Journalists have noted design similarities between the RQ-170 and previous stealth and UAV programs such as the RQ-3 DarkStar and Polecat.[1][2] It is a tail-less flying wing aircraft with pods, presumably for sensors or SATCOMS, built into the upper surface of each wing. Few details of the UAV’s characteristics have been released, but estimates of its wingspan range from approximately 65 feet (20 m)[3] to between 75 feet (23 m) and 90 feet (27 m).[4]
The “RQ” designation indicates that the RQ-170 Sentinel does not carry weapons.[5] Aviation Week’s David A. Fulghum believes that the UAV is probably a “tactical, operations-oriented platform and not a strategic intelligence-gathering design”.[3]
The USAF confirmed the “grainy photos of a gray, flying-wing-typed unmanned airplane near Kandahar Airfield”[6] in relation to the discussion of the RQ-170 Sentinel on 4 December 2009.[3][7] A USAF colonel subsequently commented that RQ-170 is separate from the MQ-X program, which has yet to determine stealth or powerplant requirements, and thus the Sentinel will not replace the MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper drones currently in service.[8] As of May 2011, the US Military had not released any statements concerning the Sentinel since December 2009.[9]
[edit] DesignThe RQ-170 has a flying wing design containing a single (as yet unknown) engine and is estimated by Aviation Week as being approximately 66 feet in wingspan.[10] Its takeoff weight is estimated as being greater than the RQ-3 DarkStar’s, which was 8,500 pounds. The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering, namely notched landing gear doors and sharp leading edges. It has a curved wing planform, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing.[10] Aviation Week postulates that these elements suggest the designers have avoided ‘highly sensitive technologies’ due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology.[10] The publication also suggests that the medium-grey color implies a mid-altitude ceiling, unlikely to exceed 50,000 feet since a higher ceiling would normally be painted darker for best concealment.[10] The postulated weight and ceiling parameters suggests the possible use of a General Electric TF34 engine or a variant in the airframe.[10]
On the basis of the few publicly-available photographs of the RQ-170, aviation expert Bill Sweetman has assessed that the UAV is equipped with an electro-optical/infrared sensor and possibly an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar mounted in its belly fairing. He has also speculated that the two fairings over the UAV’s wings may house datalinks and that the belly and above wing fairings could be designed for modular payloads, allowing the UAV to be used for strike missions and electronic warfare.[11]
That thing looks like a minature B2. I’d be surprised if the Iranians could even detect it.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:25:40am |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
I doubt that a good bit. Here’s the RQ-170’s Wkipedia write-up and below is an excerpt:
That thing looks like a minature B2. I’d be surprised if the Iranians could even detect it.
Ah, it’s one of the stealth models. If there is a downed drone it was most likely a mechanical failure rather than being shot down.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:26:10am |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Man, I was bitching about spending $30 bucks on Mucinex D, but after 2 days, its dried me out. After a week of being congested, its great.
Mucinex is great stuff —it’s the same thing as Robitussin, BTW, which is cheaper at Walmart. :)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:26:28am |
re: #136 Sergey Romanov
I strongly suspect it’s a sabotage-with-rationality moment that has simply gone unnoticed ;)
I don’t think so. At rare points, Conservapedia “pushes off” against a truly insane claim as a means of trying to makes itself look ‘not insane’. Many sites, organizations, and people do this. I call them “Sister Souljah Moments” after a point in the 1992 Presidential campaign where Bill Clinton gained support by “pushing off” from a spouter of violently anti-police comments, but “‘I’m Not With Stupid’ Moments” works well too.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:28:21am |
re: #137 PhillyPretzel
Funnily enough, all the wingnut sites (JPost, Telegraph, Daily Fail) run with it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:29:11am |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
Ah, it’s one of the stealth models. If there is a downed drone it was most likely a mechanical failure rather than being shot down.
And the Fars claim has already made it into the Wiki page, (though it is made clear its a claim):
On 4 December, iranian state TV “al alam” reported that the Iranian military Declared it has downed a RQ-170 UAV, which tried to penetrate Iran’s airspace through eastern borders. According to semi-Official Fars News Agency, Iranian Electronic Warfare Units managed to take control of the UAV and force it to land in iran with minor damage .
LMAO at the idea that Iran could pull THAT off. A shoot-down might be believable, but this strikes me as a “for domestic consumption only” lie.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:29:23am |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
That’s a bit of a too-obscure point for an SS moment.
And it doesn’t even begin the pushback against denial of relativity, etc.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:30:02am |
I checked PressTV but their front page is almost all OWS stories.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:30:53am |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
I checked PressTV but their front page is almost all OWS stories.
They caught a virus from you.
/
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:31:00am |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
And the Fars claim has already made it into the Wiki page, (though it is made clear its a claim):
LMAO at the idea that Iran could pull THAT off. A shoot-down might be believable, but this strikes me as a “for domestic consumption only” lie.
lol
All your drones are belong to us!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:31:49am |
re: #146 Sergey Romanov
That’s a bit of a too-obscure point for an SS moment.
And it doesn’t even begin the pushback against denial of relativity, etc.
True, but this is Andy Schafley we’re talking about. He couldn’t have an effective “‘I’m Not With Stupid’ Moment”, because he’s the “Stupid” (or more accurately, “very badly educated religious zealot”).
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:32:22am |
re: #144 000G
Even though KT pulled that story from The Wall Street Journal, I am still waiting for additional confirmation since it is Iran.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:32:58am |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
lol
All your drones are belong to us!
You Infidels have no escape, make your time!!
HA HA HA!!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:33:34am |
re: #151 PhillyPretzel
Even though KT pulled that story from The Wall Street Journal, I am still waiting for additional confirmation since it is Iran.
I don’t think the WSJ really believes it. They are just reporting what Iran is saying.
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kirkspencer Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:34:23am |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
And the Fars claim has already made it into the Wiki page, (though it is made clear its a claim):
LMAO at the idea that Iran could pull THAT off. A shoot-down might be believable, but this strikes me as a “for domestic consumption only” lie.
99+% you’re right.
Except we sometimes do dumb things for good reasons. And sometimes we make mistakes. Remember the unencrypted video from the predators?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:35:49am |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
I checked PressTV but their front page is almost all OWS stories.
Seriously tho, you know what? I think they’re trying to ingratiate themselves to the English-speaking far left so that they begin to use their materials more often.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:36:10am |
re: #151 PhillyPretzel
They all cite FNA as source.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:37:29am |
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:38:00am |
re: #156 000G
Yes. I noticed that. And that fact is why I will wait for independent confirmation.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:40:19am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:44:07am |
re: #155 Sergey Romanov
Seriously tho, you know what? I think they’re trying to ingratiate themselves to the English-speaking far left so that they begin to use their materials more often.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what they’re doing. Western radical lefties are the target demographic. I think George Galloway still hosts his own show on Press TV. They’re more than happy to interviews American and European communists or peace radicals.
Russia Today did the same thing with the Tea Party nuts.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:44:47am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:44:57am |
re: #155 Sergey Romanov
Seriously tho, you know what? I think they’re trying to ingratiate themselves to the English-speaking far left so that they begin to use their materials more often.
Al Jazeera English has already made that model work.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:50:21am |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 7:57:27am |
re: #69 Varek Raith
I can’t imagine what it would feel like to wake up an be informed you’ve been living next to an unstable 2 ton bomb for your entire life.
:/
Might change your perspective a little —huh?
A depressive might decide life doesn’t suck as much as they thought it did :)
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:00:36am |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:00:52am |
I took the “F***ing Keffiyah” article off my blog, not because I think that the threatening bullies are right, but I don’t think it’s worth the kind of grief they might be able to inflict (if not lawfare, then by using anon methods).
All this proves is that the “F***ing Keffiyah” girl is a fucking evil bitch.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:02:43am |
re: #166 Alouette
I took the “F***ing Keffiyah” article off my blog, not because I think that the threatening bullies are right, but I don’t think it’s worth the kind of grief they might be able to inflict (if not lawfare, then by using anon methods).
All this proves is that the “F***ing Keffiyah” girl is a fucking evil bitch.
Bummer, Did you try to contact Harry’s Place?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:05:52am |
They will hopefully pour my greenhouse foundation Monday afternoon. I’ve been cut off from my back garden for almost three weeks and the separation anxiety is getting to me.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:06:01am |
re: #133 Dark_Falcon
Yes, actually. You will find very few vacant storefronts are Westfield Shoppingtown Old Orchard (it’s in Skokie, IL).
True, consumerism is alive and well in Chicagoland. Although the village downtowns that are known for shopping are getting hit —even Geneva, IL has vacant store-fronts.
Outlet mall a few miles to the south has a full parking lot every day tho.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:07:05am |
Morning lizards.
One of the cats has an abscess on a mammary gland, licked it open and is now leaving drops of blood all over. Cleaned her up and put an E-collar on her. So now she is moping around the apartment and showing displeasure by urinating on the mat in the bathroom. :(
The older cat is ignoring it all and just sleeping on the window sill in the sun. Wish I could follow suit.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:08:12am |
re: #170 oaktree
Morning lizards.
One of the cats has an abscess on a mammary gland, licked it open and is now leaving drops of blood all over. Cleaned her up and put an E-collar on her. So now she is moping around the apartment and showing displeasure by urinating on the mat in the bathroom. :(
The older cat is ignoring it all and just sleeping on the window sill in the sun. Wish I could follow suit.
poor kitty!
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:09:06am |
Damnit! Puppy watched hubby carry guns and crate to the SUV and is now insufferable. He knows he is going hunting today.
OMG! Dad can’t get the car loaded fast enough!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:12:31am |
re: #172 ggt
What’s his current moniker?
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:12:52am |
re: #172 ggt
Damnit! Puppy watched hubby carry guns and crate to the SUV and is now insufferable. He knows he is going hunting today.
OMG! Dad can’t get the car loaded fast enough!
canwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonowcanwegonow
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Four More Tears Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:14:03am |
re: #174 Varek Raith
You get an upding for that new pic, sir.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:17:28am |
re: #171 ggt
poor kitty!
She’s pretty much in “hospice care” mode at this point. Her hyperthyroid is under control, but there is an abdominal growth and these mammary gland tumors/abcesses cropping up. On drugs for these, but it’s a cycle of getting them cleaned by the vet along with an antibiotic shot, repeat a few months later. And she is a poor surgery candidate due to underweight (6 lb) and poor teeth so she doesn’t eat well. Given all this she doesn’t seem to be in a lot of discomfort and she gets her share of petting and cuddling.
That she bullies the older cat to raid his food dish is annoying and he puts up with it.
(The ill cat is a 13-year-old that I adopted a few years back to replace the older cat’s brother who had to be put down. I thought the older cat was misbehaving due to not having another cat around. It turns out that he essentially decided to focus on me as “fellow cat” and he essentially tolerates the other cat and minimizes interactions with her. Lap and attention time is usually one cat at a time only, or one cat snoozing to one side of me on the couch, and the other on the other side. Older cat will be turning twenty in the spring by my reckoning.)
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:17:36am |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:17:49am |
re: #174 Varek Raith
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You’d think the Ice Cream truck were coming down the road.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:19:20am |
re: #179 ggt
You’d think the Ice Cream truck were coming down the road.
Heh. The cat equivalent takes place when there is turkey cooking in the oven.
isitdoneyet?canIhazturkey?isitdoneyet?canIhazturkey?getitoutoftheovenNOW!
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:19:31am |
re: #177 oaktree
She’s pretty much in “hospice care” mode at this point. Her hyperthyroid is under control, but there is an abdominal growth and these mammary gland tumors/abcesses cropping up. On drugs for these, but it’s a cycle of getting them cleaned by the vet along with an antibiotic shot, repeat a few months later. And she is a poor surgery candidate due to underweight (6 lb) and poor teeth so she doesn’t eat well. Given all this she doesn’t seem to be in a lot of discomfort and she gets her share of petting and cuddling.
That she bullies the older cat to raid his food dish is annoying and he puts up with it.
(The ill cat is a 13-year-old that I adopted a few years back to replace the older cat’s brother who had to be put down. I thought the older cat was misbehaving due to not having another cat around. It turns out that he essentially decided to focus on me as “fellow cat” and he essentially tolerates the other cat and minimizes interactions with her. Lap and attention time is usually one cat at a time only, or one cat snoozing to one side of me on the couch, and the other on the other side. Older cat will be turning twenty in the spring by my reckoning.)
We did the same thing with our cat. When his adopted sister passed, he was a bear to be around, so we got another kitty. He HATED the new kitty. She eventually moved-on and now he is happy being an only cat.
He enjoys taunting Damnit! Puppy.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:19:55am |
Say what you will about the “Daily Fail”, today they provide the Daily Dose of Cute:
This is the extraordinary moment when two young lions grabbed a camera and tripod dropped by tourists on safari – and ended up taking pictures themselves.
The cub and three-year-old male companion closed in on the equipment belonging to two Belgian travellers after it fell out of their group’s Land Cruiser on an early morning expedition.
The animals pounced within moments of the camera hitting the ground. And not only did the predators manage to nudge the button to take pictures, the younger lion seemed to be a willing model.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:21:28am |
re: #181 ggt
I’m going to only cat mode as well once this situation resolves as I expect it to.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:25:00am |
re: #183 oaktree
I’m going to only cat mode as well once this situation resolves as I expect it to.
Cat Overlords don’t seem to enjoy sharing power with those who are not blood relatives . . .
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funky chicken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:26:22am |
re: #82 Sergey Romanov
LOL, pile of dragon bones. I think I killed one in Falkreath, so each time I appeared there the pile was in the new place, closer and closer to the city gates (like a Stephen King story…). One time it ended *above* the gates and was swinging in the wind.
Awww, he was on his way to heaven.
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funky chicken Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:30:57am |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
I doubt that a good bit. Here’s the RQ-170’s Wkipedia write-up and below is an excerpt:
That thing looks like a minature B2. I’d be surprised if the Iranians could even detect it.
My husband is a somewhat senior AF officer with sooper seekrit clearance, and I can tell you that he says Iran has excellent stuff in that regard. The AF wants no part of hostilities with Iran, because they (the Iranians) aren’t idiots. Saddam was, and they knew that …
Just sayin’
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 4, 2011 8:42:22am |
re: #186 funky chicken
My husband is a somewhat senior AF officer with sooper seekrit clearance, and I can tell you that he says Iran has excellent stuff in that regard. The AF wants no part of hostilities with Iran, because they (the Iranians) aren’t idiots. Saddam was, and they knew that …
Just sayin’
Shoot down, yes. Take control? Still doubt it.
BBL
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Lidane Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:09:32am |
Congrats, GOP base. You’re rallying around a man that even other conservatives don’t want to serve with:
WALLACE: As Speaker Gingrich takes the lead do you still have those questions about his fitness to be president?
COBURN: Chris, there is a lot of candidates out there. I am not inclined to be a supporter of Newt Gingrich having served under him for for years and experienced personally his leadership. … because I found it lacking often times. … There are all types of leaders, leaders that instill confidence, leaders that are somewhat abrupt and brisk, leaders that have one standard for the people they are leading and a different standard for themselves. I just found his leadership lacking and I’m not going to go into greater detail on that and if you poll the group of people that came in congress in 1994, which he did a wonderful job in organizing that and he’s brilliant and has a lot of positives, but I still, I will have difficulty supporting him as President of the United States.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:11:41am |
I just posted a page. A member of the Laugh In cast has died. It is listed as humor because this guy was very funny. littlegreenfootballs.com
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kirkspencer Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:17:31am |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Shoot down, yes. Take control? Still doubt it.
BBL
Like I said, probably not. That said, I think Iran has a significantly better military than most of the rest of the region. Rather than the whole song and dance, I’ll give my two touchstones I’ve used in other discussion groups: logistics and professionalism.
Logistics first. Iran makes most of almost all its toys. They not only make tanks and APCs and rifles and missiles and submarines and ships and aircraft (yes, all of that), they make munitions. Bullets, for example. They make (some their own, some by license) radars and sonars and night vision devices. In my experience, the willingness and ability to produce one’s own materiel is worth a tier of ranking all by itself.
Professionalism isn’t a mis-statement. I need to start by pointing out what’s normal for the region, why Iraq (among others) had such problems. A major weakness of most middle eastern militaries is that they put warriors higher than soldiers. Ego, honor, whatever you want to call it, the role of support is trash. Add to this the unwillingness to help another leader succeed - again, a matter of ego. Normal Middle eastern brigades cooperation depends on the force of the division commander’s personality. Same for each unit up and down the chain. Iran is different. To see it, see if you can get one of those reports of military exercises they conduct. We habitually expect a division will intentionally do a low-priority demonstration to create the opportunity for a division of another corps to sweep through when considering US and Nato forces. Middle eastern? Not so much — yet Iran trains for and displays these sorts of actions. They do cooperative exercises between army, navy, guards, and air forces - and which is primary changes more to mission than to ego.
Note that this doesn’t mean they’re fully integrated. They still have inter-unit and inter-service rivalries that are even stronger than the US Navy vs Marines. But they’re in the same ballpark while most of the middle east is, well, nobody’s even sure they’re playing the same game.
We have better training. We have better toys. They are not, however, Iraq. They are no longer the nation that relied upon 50:1 ratios of poorly trained conscripts led by children used as minesweepers. And if we go in expecting another Iraq, we’re going to get a very bloody nose.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:34:11am |
When she was elected leader, and went to the Conservative Party’s informal social headquarters, the Carlton Club, she was told that ladies were not allowed, other than as guests. “They are now,” she famously said as she sailed majestically past the concierge.
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ProTARDISLiberal Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:46:30am |
re: #190 kirkspencer
Which is why we need to find another way of handling this Nuclear issue. Or see how much longer the now unstable regime can hold together.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:48:56am |
re: #186 funky chicken
My husband is a somewhat senior AF officer with sooper seekrit clearance, and I can tell you that he says Iran has excellent stuff in that regard. The AF wants no part of hostilities with Iran, because they (the Iranians) aren’t idiots. Saddam was, and they knew that …
Just sayin’
Bush invaded Iraq because he knew they were unarmed — at least with respect to defending an assault from the US militarily. Bush 41 and Clinton assured him of that with 12 years of “no fly zones” and weekly bombing campaigns on Saddam’s military targets…between when Bush 41 pulled back to Kuwait and Bush 43 took office, the longest Iraq went without a US bomb landing on their soil was six days. That tends to soften up a target.
When we’re all dead and insecurity doesn’t play a role in historical narratives, the US will not be remembered positively for Iraq.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:52:52am |
re: #193 darthstar
Bush invaded Iraq because he knew they were unarmed — at least with respect to defending an assault from the US militarily. Bush 41 and Clinton assured him of that with 12 years of “no fly zones” and weekly bombing campaigns on Saddam’s military targets…between when Bush 41 pulled back to Kuwait and Bush 43 took office, the longest Iraq went without a US bomb landing on their soil was six days. That tends to soften up a target.
When we’re all dead and insecurity doesn’t play a role in historical narratives, the US will not be remembered positively for Iraq.
Iraq broke the agreements and got spanked for it….belligerents must be disciplined
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:54:20am |
re: #194 albusteve
Iraq broke the agreements and got spanked for it…belligerents must be disciplined
Yep, but just because you can still kick a three year old’s ass in a fight doesn’t mean you’re macho.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 9:59:44am |
re: #195 darthstar
Yep, but just because you can still kick a three year old’s ass in a fight doesn’t mean you’re macho.
It’s tough to tell how history is going to judge our involvement in Iraq, it could go either way. If we had done nothing Saddam would still be there. Udday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms. Stirrings of Arab Spring would be crushed more brutally than any other country in the region. Would Obama and NATO attempted a Libya-style intervention in Iraq? Maybe. It’s tough to guess.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:04:34am |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
Udday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms.
There’s is almost certainly still torture in Iraq. And jailing of political prisoners.
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jaunte Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:04:48am |
Tom Coburn (R) OK, on Newt Gingrich:
“…the last person I’d vote for president of the United States.”
…
“His life indicates he does not have a commitment to the character traits necessary to be a great president.”
…
“We need somebody that’s…stable.”
thinkprogress.org
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:06:24am |
re: #197 Obdicut
There’s is almost certainly still torture in Iraq. And jailing of political prisoners.
[Link: articles.latimes.com…]
I have no doubt about that. I don’t think any country in the region has a passable human rights record.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:07:49am |
re: #197 Obdicut
There’s is almost certainly still torture in Iraq. And jailing of political prisoners.
[Link: articles.latimes.com…]
But now it’s done by the good guys.
We could have orchestrated a military coup on Iraq…or sat back and watched Iran invade and destroy the country for us (instead, they watched us destroy the country for them)
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:07:56am |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
I have no doubt about that. I don’t think any country in the region has a passable human rights record.
So saying that Uday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms is sort of moot, unless the particular names of the people doing the torture is important for some reason.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:10:55am |
re: #201 Obdicut
So saying that Uday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms is sort of moot, unless the particular names of the people doing the torture is important for some reason.
re: #201 Obdicut
So saying that Uday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms is sort of moot, unless the particular names of the people doing the torture is important for some reason.
Torture porn, they are the stars.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:17:23am |
Remember when Reagan invaded Grenada? Man…that took some balls.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:21:29am |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
Udday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms.
Oh no, the dreaded torture rooms! Quickly, invade the country, cause (directly and indirectly) the deaths of at least 100,000 of its citizens (those that are estimable, may be many more), but get rid of the torture rooms at any cost!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:22:02am |
Afternoon All.. There is a great mourning in Sooner nation today after the Bedlam game last night.. They’ll get over it…maybe…Imagine being a Colts fan this year…
In other news..
Some high rise in NYC talking about NFL games this week..
Oklahoma doesn’t have a pro team so I’m pretty sure we only get the crappiest games shown here…
Boys..What Stinker game do we have today? Chiefs and Bears? Send it to Oklahoma..
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albusteve Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:24:44am |
the Hussein boys were okay, just a bit misguided
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:26:02am |
re: #206 albusteve
the Hussein boys were okay, just a bit misguided
Talk about phoning it in with the sarcasm…shit, Steve…that’s pathetic.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:26:21am |
If you have a few minutes, this is worth watching.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:26:30am |
re: #201 Obdicut
So saying that Uday and Qussay would still be operating the torture rooms is sort of moot, unless the particular names of the people doing the torture is important for some reason.
There’s a difference. For example, you’d much rather be tortured in a country like Pakistan rather than a dictatorship like Q’Daffy run Libya. In Pakistan there’s a power structure, some sort of legal framework (no matter how flimsy), there are rules and procedures. Under a totalitarian dictatorship you are subject to the whims of the dictator. I know both suck but one sucks more than the other.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:27:07am |
re: #207 darthstar
Talk about phoning it in with the sarcasm…shit, Steve…that’s pathetic.
you’ll bitch about anything…so what?
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:27:42am |
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:28:16am |
re: #204 Sergey Romanov
Oh no, the dreaded torture rooms! Quickly, invade the country, cause (directly and indirectly) the deaths of at least 100,000 of its citizens (those that are estimable, may be many more), but get rid of the torture rooms at any cost!
Torture chambers…rape rooms…vivisection vanities…suppression salons…it’s important to use the right terms.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:29:27am |
re: #212 darthstar
They were enhanced interrogation facilities.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:29:56am |
re: #211 ggt
sarc tag would have been nice.
Steve is a sarc tag…but the Hussein boys comment was pretty weak. I wasn’t bitching, Steve…just pointing out that you’ve got nothin’ here…try again later.
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darthstar Sun, Dec 4, 2011 10:30:59am |
Okay…I’m off to swim a half mile or so…play nice, everyone…and go check out the new thread.
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jvic Sun, Dec 4, 2011 11:03:31am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Dec 4, 2011 11:14:43am |
re: #209 Killgore Trout
I don’t see how a framework for torture makes the torture any better, sorry.
It’s still torture. They’re still torturers. The Nazis had a great framework for what they did; didn’t make it any better.
That argument lacks any merit.
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