Santorum Booed Again for More Anti-Gay Bigotry

But he’s only stating the mainstream GOP opinion

PoliticsJanuary 2012 • Views: 24,669

Rick Santorum received another round of boos today in New Hampshire, for stating what is a completely mainstream Republican Party position: “Gays Aren’t Entitled To Marriage Or Military Service.”

Santorum argued that gay people shouldn’t have the “privilege” of enlisting in the armed forces or marrying because “we decide what’s in the best interest of our national security” and what kind of relationships are best for society. “It’s not discrimination not to grant privileges. It’s discrimination to deny rights,” he explained. “Everyone has a right to live their life, that doesn’t mean that they’re entitled to certain privileges that society gives for certain benefits that society obtains from those relationships.”

Santorum almost deserves credit for continuing to make these ugly, bigoted remarks when he knows he’s going to get jeered. But the simple fact is that all the GOP candidates agree with him on this.

He’s just more open and un-evasive about it.

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113 comments

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:22:23pm

The sad thing is that he thinks his arguments make sense and have merit.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:25:55pm

the latest in a long series of "the democratic party couldn't possibly be lucky enough to have republicans nominate ----"

HAL2010 Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:26:13pm

Repost from the last thread:

I love America.

EXCEPT THE GAYS!

I support the troops!

EXCEPT THE GODDAMN GAYS!

Fuck you Santorum.

Can't help but notice he has never served in any branch of the armed services btw.

He is like a deranged Alex Jones supporter. Except for seeing the government and the NWO everywhere, he sees gay people.

I can imagine him like the kid in the Sixth Sense, in his bed, being tucked in by uncle Newt.
Scene:
Rick: I .. I have a secret I want to tell you Newt
Newt: What is it Rick?
Rick: I .. I .. I see gay people. All the time, everywhere. They come to me.
Newt: Why?
Rick: I don't know, but they mostly want things. Like legal protections afforded to over 95 % of the population. Things the Constitution guarantees. I'm scared Uncle Newt.

At this point Rick passes out, and Newt stares in horror into the camera at this sudden realisation...
End Scene.

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:26:27pm

You know the GOP is on thin ice when they can't even muster cheers for gay bashing at their own events.

CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:26:46pm

He's seems sincere & consistent in his smug bigotry, I'll give him that much. //

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:28:39pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

He's seems sincere & consistent in his smug bigotry, I'll give him that much. //

Yeah. Santorum is a true believer.

What he believes is really disturbing, but he's not kidding about it.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:29:00pm

Clearly we are seeing some public push-back in the face of this neanderthal type thinking, and that is a good thing.

ProMayaLiberal Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:33:12pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Reason I think the Liberals need to do the Culture War thing.

Start by denying any use of Federal Funds to Religious Schools. Both Colleges and otherwise.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:33:14pm

"we decide what’s in the best interest of our national security"

Really?

We've decided that the nation has an all volunteer military, which means that those who join to serve in the US Armed Forces are interested in doing their part to protect and defend the nation. You're purposefully looking to exclude a group of Americans who want to serve because of their sexual orientation, even as the military itself says that it will comply with the changed law/circumstances - the end of DADT.

Santorum would undermine the manpower availability of the military to make a point about gays serving in the military, even though there's no evidence that gays serving in the military reduces unit cohesion, causes problems, or other issues with carrying out the mission.

But this isn't about gays serving in the military. It's about his belief about gays being an abomination before the eyes of Santorum.

And Santorum can't quite get that keeping gays out of the military is discrimination. Being a soldier, sailor, or Marine is a job - and it is discrimination to keep someone out of those positions on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:33:23pm

Why is the pursuit of happiness suddenly a privelege?

I understand that to Santorum, gay marriage and bestiality are equivalent because they are both, in his view, an abomination unto God.

But unfortunately for Rick and a lot of his fundamentalist friends, consensual sex between adults falls under "the pursuit of happiness" and is outside the government's power to restrict.

elizajane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:33:33pm

If you want a good laugh, read Michael Gerson's editorial at the WaPo today lauding Santorum as the return of "compassionate conservatism" because he cares about the working man.
As long as the working man is indeed male, and straight, of course (no, Gerson doesn't say that, but plenty of commenters have said it).

This is what the Republicans have come to: Mr. keep-'em-barefoot-and-pregnant Santorum is their "nice guy."

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:34:27pm

Excuse me, where is marriage mentioned in the Declaration of Independence or is Santorum just a crazy person? Yea, I know the answer.

Listen at 1:04.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:34:43pm

re: #10 ralphieboy

Why is the pursuit of happiness suddenly a privelege?

I understand that to Santorum, gay marriage and bestiality are equivalent because they are both, in his view, an abomination unto God.

But unfortunately for Rick and a lot of his fundamentalist friends, consensual sex between adults falls under "the pursuit of happiness" and is outside the government's power to restrict.

We are, of course, dealing with people who overlap with the people who like to insist that 'happiness' is an eighteenth century euphemism for 'profit'.

albusteve Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:35:24pm

Santorum has the mentality of a 1st century Roman...talk about behind the times?

Varek Raith Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:36:12pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

Clearly we are seeing some public push-back in the face of this neanderthal type thinking, and that is a good thing.

Good thing Mongo Cro-Magnon.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:37:42pm

Rick, you may continue to be openly against gay marriage, gays in the military, contraception and abortion.

But our law and our Constitution says you cannot forbid them!!!

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #14 albusteve

Santorum has the mentality of a 1st century Roman...talk about behind the times?

Actually, gay marriage existed in ancient Rome to a limited degree. 3rd or 4th century would be more accurate.

CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:39:18pm

re: #8 ProLifeLiberal

Reason I think the Liberals need to do the Culture War thing.

Start by denying any use of Federal Funds to Religious Schools. Both Colleges and otherwise.

Sorry, but I disagree. Alienating religious people by going after their institutions will only reinforce Right's message and cause even moderately religious people to turn against the Left.

ProMayaLiberal Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:41:42pm

re: #18 CuriousLurker

I see no other way forcing the Right to stop.

Also, there is a bit of personal bloodlust here. These are the same people who made my life miserable. I want to return the favor. With interest.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:42:35pm

I was talking to a couple of my gay friends the other day and believe or not, they were on the Obama-Dissing-Bandwagon. I tried to impart to them that he's probably THE most gay-friendly president for getting rid of DADT and not enforcing DOMA which directly led to the states allowing gay marriage. Which president has supported gay rights AT ALL? When they continued to look at me with disgust, I simply said, "Go ahead. Vote Republican. See what you get." And that actually wiped that smug look off their faces.

I don't get it, truly.

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:42:54pm

re: #9 lawhawk

"we decide what’s in the best interest of our national security"

Really?

We've decided that the nation has an all volunteer military, which means that those who join to serve in the US Armed Forces are interested in doing their part to protect and defend the nation. You're purposefully looking to exclude a group of Americans who want to serve because of their sexual orientation, even as the military itself says that it will comply with the changed law/circumstances - the end of DADT.

Santorum would undermine the manpower availability of the military to make a point about gays serving in the military, even though there's no evidence that gays serving in the military reduces unit cohesion, causes problems, or other issues with carrying out the mission.

But this isn't about gays serving in the military. It's about his belief about gays being an abomination before the eyes of Santorum.

And Santorum can't quite get that keeping gays out of the military is discrimination. Being a soldier, sailor, or Marine is a job - and it is discrimination to keep someone out of those positions on the basis of their sexual orientation.

One of the key points in regards to threats to security clearance is whether a secret would compromise the individual. Could he be blackmailed to keep it a secret? If homosexuality is viewed as a career ender, then of course it becomes leverage to be used against someone. If homosexuality is simply another way of life, with no stigma or penalties, then it ceases to be a point that can be used to compromise security.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:43:03pm

re: #19 ProLifeLiberal

I see no other way forcing the Right to stop.

Also, there is a bit of personal bloodlust here. These are the same people who made my life miserable. I want to return the favor. With interest.

They long to be made martyrs to their righteous cause. Let us not do them the favor.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:43:28pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

neanderthal

i was thinking more like Young Adult

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:44:59pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the key points in regards to threats to security clearance is whether a secret would compromise the individual. Could he be blackmailed to keep it a secret? If homosexuality is viewed as a career ender, then of course it becomes leverage to be used against someone. If homosexuality is simply another way of life, with no stigma or penalties, then it ceases to be a point that can be used to compromise security.

That is what the folks with the NSA explained to me as well: if you turned into an alcoholic heterosexual wife-beater, they even had programes to help you deal with it.

But if you were a loving, caring gay partner who liked to get stoned, you were outta there...

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:45:24pm

I need to stop using the #tcot hashtag on The Twitter. I got some crazy people following me....

ProMayaLiberal Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:45:59pm

re: #22 ralphieboy

Fair point I didn't think of.

There must be some way to strike at them though.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:48:16pm

re: #26 ProLifeLiberal

Fair point I didn't think of.

There must be some way to strike at them though.

just give 'em enough rope...

SpaceJesus Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:48:54pm

Boner continues to demonstrate government transparency
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engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:49:00pm

re: #20 marjoriemoon

I was talking to a couple of my gay friends the other day and believe or not, they were on the Obama-Dissing-Bandwagon. I tried to impart to them that he's probably THE most gay-friendly president for getting rid of DADT and not enforcing DOMA which directly led to the states allowing gay marriage. Which president has supported gay rights AT ALL? When they continued to look at me with disgust, I simply said, "Go ahead. Vote Republican. See what you get." And that actually wiped that smug look off their faces.

I don't get it, truly.

drives me crazy, too

i think the koch bros have successfully managed a campaign to make many thousands of progressives disenchanted enough with obama's centrism to site out the election

it's diabolical

CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:49:24pm

re: #19 ProLifeLiberal

I see no other way forcing the Right to stop.

I truly don't believe the average American want anything to do with these fundie wingnuts, but they have to be stopped through concerted legislative push-back, not by cranking up the culture wars several notches. Liberals will LOSE that game—the Right has far more experience at playing it and they're much better at sticking together.

Also, there is a bit of personal bloodlust here. These are the same people who made my life miserable. I want to return the favor. With interest.

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. Besides, if you do to others the same thing that they did to you, which you disliked and found unjust, then how are you any better than or different from them? That's not how you maintain the moral high ground.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:49:53pm

I wonder if any of the secular conservatives that bailed on this blog when Charles publicly parted ways with the right are starting to feel foolish right about now. I know I would.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:50:30pm

re: #29 engineer dog

drives me crazy, too

i think the koch bros have successfully managed a campaign to make many thousands of progressives disenchanted enough with obama's centrism to site out the election

it's diabolical

People are stressed. The world is crazy, the economy is in the tank. Some people deal with this by wanting a Bachmann or Santorum, someone who tells them it's someone else's fault, and they can have the life they want if they believe hard enough. There's really no one selling that on the left right now, but people are angry with Obama for not supplying it.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:51:00pm

“we decide what’s in the best interest of our national security”

mongo decide!

BAM!

funky chicken Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:51:47pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you want a good laugh, read Michael Gerson's editorial at the WaPo today lauding Santorum as the return of "compassionate conservatism" because he cares about the working man.
As long as the working man is indeed male, and straight, of course (no, Gerson doesn't say that, but plenty of commenters have said it).

This is what the Republicans have come to: Mr. keep-'em-barefoot-and-pregnant Santorum is their "nice guy."

From an article linked here today:

Here’s a Pennsylvanian’s brief guide to the Rick Santorum you don’t know:

1. This compassionate Christian conservative founded a charity that was actually a bit of a scam. In 2001, following up on a faith-based urban charity initiative around the 2000 GOP convention in Philadelphia, Santorum launched a charitable foundation called the Operation Good Neighbor Foundation. While in its first few years the charity cut checks to community groups for $474,000, Operation Good Neighbor Foundation had actually raised more than $1 million, from donors who overlapped with Santorum’s political fund raising. Where did the majority of the charity’s money go? In salary and consulting fees to a network of politically connected lobbyists, aides and fundraisers, including rent and office payments to Santorum’s finance director Rob Bickhart, later finance chair of the Republican National Committee. When I reported on Santorum’s charity for The American Prospect in 2006, experts told me a responsible charity doles out at least 75 percent of its income in grants, and they were shocked to learn the figure for Operation Good Neighbor Fund was less than 36 percent. The charity – which didn’t register with the state of Pennsylvania as required under the law --- was finally disbanded in 2007.

2. Likewise, a so-called “leadership PAC” created by Santorum that was supposed to fund other Republicans instead seemed to mostly pay for the lifestyle of Santorum and those around him. My investigation of the America’s Foundation PAC showed that only 18 percent of its money went to fund political candidates, less -- and typically far less -- than any other “leadership PACs.” What America’s Foundation did spend a lot on with what looked like everyday expenses, including 66 trips to the Starbucks in Santorum’s then hometown of Leesburg, Va., multiple fast-food outings and expenditures at Wal-Mart, Target and Giant supermarkets. Campaign finance experts said the PAC’s expenses – paid for by donations from wealthy businessmen and lobbyists – were “unconventional,” at best and arguably not legal. Santorum also funded his large Leesburg “McMansion” with a $500,000 mortgage from a private bank run by a major campaign donor, in a program that was only supposed to be open to high-wealth investment clients in the trust, which Santorum was not, and closed to the general public.

Champion of the working man my ass.

CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:53:29pm

OT: Wow, salmon pink, lavender, and turquoise blue sunset. Don't see that around here very often. I almost feel like I'm in Miami.

Varek Raith Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:54:11pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

OT: Wow, salmon pink, lavender, and turquoise blue sunset. Don't see that around here very often. I almost feel like I'm in Miami.

Whoops.
Moved the wrong continent.

funky chicken Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:54:13pm

re: #20 marjoriemoon

I was talking to a couple of my gay friends the other day and believe or not, they were on the Obama-Dissing-Bandwagon. I tried to impart to them that he's probably THE most gay-friendly president for getting rid of DADT and not enforcing DOMA which directly led to the states allowing gay marriage. Which president has supported gay rights AT ALL? When they continued to look at me with disgust, I simply said, "Go ahead. Vote Republican. See what you get." And that actually wiped that smug look off their faces.

I don't get it, truly.

Radical chic!

ProMayaLiberal Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:55:55pm

re: #34 funky chicken

These people want to turn the US into Pakistan. A corrupt, near-theocracy with most of the population living on the edge of destitution.

darthstar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:56:03pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

The sad thing is that he thinks his arguments make sense and have merit.

What's sadder is the fact that Mitt Romney is afraid to disagree with him because it's too early in the primaries.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:58:48pm

re: #8 ProLifeLiberal

Reason I think the Liberals need to do the Culture War thing.

Start by denying any use of Federal Funds to Religious Schools. Both Colleges and otherwise.

Bad idea. As long as they meet Federal guidelines I see no problem letting their students and parents take out loans, get work study, etc. They also don't have to take federal money. Bob Jones U doesn't.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:58:56pm

From The Mudflats: His point was about putting people to work, rather than welfare, but the racial characterization of the problem was telling, and caused some blowback for the former Senator from Pennsylvania. It was sort of refreshing. We thought all he ever thought about was sex. He’s broadened his scope to minorities causing the financial decay and lack of work ethic in the nation. Nice change of pace.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:59:39pm

re: #29 engineer dog

drives me crazy, too

i think the koch bros have successfully managed a campaign to make many thousands of progressives disenchanted enough with obama's centrism to site out the election

it's diabolical

Hmmm never thought of that. My neighbors are Cuban (which usually means Republican), but they voted for Obama in 2008. I'm doing my darndest to keep singing his praises.

My other friends I just assumed were Dems, but maybe they're Indies. I should ask.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 6, 2012 1:59:46pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

OT: Wow, salmon pink, lavender, and turquoise blue sunset. Don't see that around here very often. I almost feel like I'm in Miami.

You see? The gay agenda has even taken over our sunsets!!!

CuriousLurker Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:01:37pm

re: #43 ralphieboy

You see? The gay agenda has even taken over our sunsets!!!

ZOMG, teh gays have stolen the heavens!! *thud*

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:02:35pm

re: #20 marjoriemoon

I was talking to a couple of my gay friends the other day and believe or not, they were on the Obama-Dissing-Bandwagon. I tried to impart to them that he's probably THE most gay-friendly president for getting rid of DADT and not enforcing DOMA which directly led to the states allowing gay marriage. Which president has supported gay rights AT ALL? When they continued to look at me with disgust, I simply said, "Go ahead. Vote Republican. See what you get." And that actually wiped that smug look off their faces.

I don't get it, truly.

Oh, believe it.

A lot of the white prog queers really despise and resent him on the same level as their straight counterparts. They blame us for Prop 8, and him by extension. The gay community still has the same massive social problems they have had in the 23 years I have been in it - in a lot of ways, not much has changed at all.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:05:12pm

re: #37 funky chicken

Radical chic!

Smartphone revolutionaries.

funky chicken Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:06:04pm

The longer a bigot like Rick Santorum is actually a credible candidate in GOP primaries, the more disgruntled lefties will return to the dems for 2012. They may complain, but they won't allow the GOP to actually win. Unless they are truly delusional, and I don't believe most of them are.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:07:54pm

re: #45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, believe it.

A lot of the white prog queers really despise and resent him on the same level as their straight counterparts. They blame us for Prop 8, and him by extension. The gay community still has the same massive social problems they have had in the 23 years I have been in it - in a lot of ways, not much has changed at all.

You have a different perspective, for sure. I'm still perplexed about Log Cabin Repubs, but I just figured it's a big world, it takes all kinds, yada yada. But Obama has been SO pro gay, unlike anyone that it floors me. Or is it that gay rights are just not that important to some gay people?

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:08:16pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

People are stressed. The world is crazy, the economy is in the tank. Some people deal with this by wanting a Bachmann or Santorum, someone who tells them it's someone else's fault, and they can have the life they want if they believe hard enough. There's really no one selling that on the left right now, but people are angry with Obama for not supplying it.

well, probably, deciding that it's a conspiracy is going too far on my part

but i'm very frustrated by the many threads on progressive blogs that i read that consist of a lot of assertions that there is no difference between obama and the republican party, so "why vote?"

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:10:27pm

re: #49 engineer dog

well, probably, deciding that it's a conspiracy is going too far on my part

but i'm very frustrated by the many threads on progressive blogs that i read that consist of a lot of assertions that there is no difference between obama and the republican party, so "why vote?"

Well that's just bizarre. Do those people follow politics at all?

funky chicken Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:10:37pm

re: #49 engineer dog

well, probably, deciding that it's a conspiracy is going too far on my part

but i'm very frustrated by the many threads on progressive blogs that i read that consist of a lot of assertions that there is no difference between obama and the republican party, so "why vote?"

Hey, if they can't tell the difference between Barack Obama and Rick Santorum, well, there's no hope for them. Or Barack Obama and Newt Gingrich. C'mon man.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:12:12pm

re: #51 funky chicken

Hey, if they can't tell the difference between Barack Obama and Rick Santorum, well, there's no hope for them. Or Barack Obama and Newt Gingrich. C'mon man.

I'm thinking... maybe it's better they don't vote. Grab the bong or sumfin.

nines09 Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:13:10pm

Someone should ask Rick who is "we".

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:13:20pm

Swedish Military recruiting commercial

Youtube Video

Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:13:31pm

Heh. Drudge headline "Buffett to sing for Chinese New Year."

I thought "Why is this news? I'm sure Jimmy Buffett sings in a lot of places."

Warren Buffett.

Weird. Life is getting weird.

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:13:41pm

re: #53 nines09

Someone should ask Rick who is "we".

The royal we.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:13:51pm

re: #48 marjoriemoon

You have a different perspective, for sure. I'm still perplexed about Log Cabin Repubs, but I just figured it's a big world, it takes all kinds, yada yada. But Obama has been SO pro gay, unlike anyone that it floors me. Or is it that gay rights are just not that important to some gay people?

I'm not perplexed about the LCR. Without them, DADT would not have ended as soon as it did.

Some people just want continued excuses to gripe - Obama not ending DADT by fiat on January 21 2009 is just another reason, imo. But those are people who think social movements are texting $5 to a paypal account and showing up to a rally every once in a blue moon. They have no clue about what actual civil rights means, or how they are secured -- that, they leave to us, then resent our work when we push it through :D. Its' a really old habit, I know because I've been working with them for 20+ years, the mentality has not budged one bit.

albusteve Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:15:12pm

re: #53 nines09

Someone should ask Rick who is "we".

him and God....get with it

nines09 Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:15:30pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I know that. You know that. The ones that don't bother me.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:16:25pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

I'm thinking... maybe it's better they don't vote. Grab the bong or sumfin.

Ha! Well I am encouraging them to the polls to vote for whatever crank they want to write in...just FUCKING VOTE.

These are entitled, overprivileged people who have never had their vote systematcially denied, you can tell. So they think it's a game. Annoying!

elizajane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:18:11pm

re: #45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, believe it.

A lot of the white prog queers really despise and resent him on the same level as their straight counterparts. They blame us for Prop 8, and him by extension. The gay community still has the same massive social problems they have had in the 23 years I have been in it - in a lot of ways, not much has changed at all.

As a WPQ (love the concept) who's not at all disenchanted with Obama and will vote for him with pleasure I just want to say -- We exist too! Our voices should be heard! My middle daughter still sleeps with her fleecy Obama blanket, and has been known to take it with her to sleepovers in not-totally-progressive territory. (The other kids would vote for him too but are less willing to stick their necks out).

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:18:30pm

re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm not perplexed about the LCR. Without them, DADT would not have ended as soon as it did.

Some people just want continued excuses to gripe - Obama not ending DADT by fiat on January 21 2009 is just another reason, imo. But those are people who think social movements are texting $5 to a paypal account and showing up to a rally every once in a blue moon. They have no clue about what actual civil rights means, or how they are secured -- that, they leave to us, then resent our work when we push it through :D. Its' a really old habit, I know because I've been working with them for 20+ years, the mentality has not budged one bit.

Well you're kinda a double whammy. hehe Maybe that widening prospective helps.

None of my gay friends are very political actually. Not like me anyway which is maybe high end. Odd that, now that I think on it.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:21:02pm

re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm not perplexed about the LCR. Without them, DADT would not have ended as soon as it did.

This, btw, I had no idea about.

Talking Point Detective Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:21:52pm

Unfortunately, it looks like Santorum's going to self-destruct before he can be left standing as the only remaining not-Mitt, thereby presenting a real challenge and increasing the odds of an Obama victory.

Still, his candidacy is doing some good as it is making it more evident just how extremist are major elements of the Republican Party.

What, me worry? Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:21:59pm

Ok kids, dinner time. BBL ♥

Obdicut Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:24:45pm

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

The slosh and surge of not-Romney candidates has been hilarious. I'm sure each time the supporters have had total conviction, too.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:24:59pm

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

Unfortunately, it looks like Santorum's going to self-destruct before he can be left standing as the only remaining not-Mitt, thereby presenting a real challenge and increasing the odds of an Obama victory.

Still, his candidacy is doing some good as it is making it more evident just how extremist are major elements of the Republican Party.

as of today, though, gallup has him still surging

:-)

Will Newt Succeed In Thwarting Mitt? Stay Tuned!

sagehen Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:25:14pm

“It’s not discrimination not to grant privileges. It’s discrimination to deny rights,” he explained. “Everyone has a right to live their life, that doesn’t mean that they’re entitled to certain privileges that society gives for certain benefits that society obtains from those relationships.”

oookay... but are you aware, Mr lost-his-senate-seat-by-18%, that marriage is not, under the law, a "privilege"? According to the Supreme Court,

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination.

(Loving v. Virginia, 1967)

So, y'know, do a ctrl-F replace of "racial" with "gender", and there you have it.

Unless you think you understand the Constitution better than the Supreme Court does?

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:26:40pm

re: #63 marjoriemoon

This, btw, I had no idea about.

Log Cabin Republicans vs US

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:27:28pm

re: #64 Talking Point Detective

Unfortunately, it looks like Santorum's going to self-destruct before he can be left standing as the only remaining not-Mitt, thereby presenting a real challenge and increasing the odds of an Obama victory.

Still, his candidacy is doing some good as it is making it more evident just how extremist are major elements of the Republican Party.

"Now if only Perry will stay in the race, he is sure to win the nomination as Not Mitt!" - Bryan Fischer

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:28:40pm

re: #61 elizajane

As a WPQ (love the concept) who's not at all disenchanted with Obama and will vote for him with pleasure I just want to say -- We exist too! Our voices should be heard! My middle daughter still sleeps with her fleecy Obama blanket, and has been known to take it with her to sleepovers in not-totally-progressive territory. (The other kids would vote for him too but are less willing to stick their necks out).

Yeah, you sound like my own q friends. I just don't have a lot of patience for the trendy, fashionable anti-Obama bandwagonism going around under the guise of "criticism". Any bandwagonism, really. Ironically, this gets me labeled an obot. :D

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:30:07pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

Well you're kinda a double whammy.

Honey, I'm just a whammy lol

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:30:59pm

Hmm, pay teachers or make sure tobacco and oil companies get ludicrous tax breaks? Its a no brainer for Republicans.

Teachers Decide To Work For Free After Budget Cuts Leave Pennsylvania School District Without Funds For Salaries

The Chester Upland School District in Delaware County, Pennsylvania suffered a serious setback when Gov. Tom Corbett (R) slashed $900 million in education funds from the state budget. The cuts landed hardest on poorer districts, and Chester Upland, which predominantly serves African-American children and relies on state aid for nearly 70 percent of its funding, expects to fall short this school year by $19 million.

Faced with such a shortage of funds, the school district informed its staff that it will not be able to pay their salaries come Wednesday. So the teachers decided to work for free. As one teacher put it, students “need to be educated, so we intend to be on the job”:
...
Chester Upland is not the only district desperately trying to stay afloat. Corbett’s cuts forced one school district to enforce wage freezes and cut extracurricular activities and another turned to actually using sheep instead of lawnmowers to cut grass at two of its schools. As ThinkProgress’s Travis Waldron pointed out, Corbett could relieve school districts if he let special interest groups like tobacco and the oil and gas industry go without their tax breaks. But he seems to prefer allowing teachers to go without pay.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:32:20pm

newt just now being interviewed by chris matthews:

"by april it will be gingrich vs romney, and then he'll lose"

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:33:03pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

I'm thinking... maybe it's better they don't vote. Grab the bong or sumfin.

bitching isn't voting, they want to bitch,

but at the polls, they're not going to pull the lever for a republican in this climate

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:33:34pm

re: #62 marjoriemoon

Well you're kinda a double whammy. hehe Maybe that widening prospective helps.

None of my gay friends are very political actually. Not like me anyway which is maybe high end. Odd that, now that I think on it.

ding ding :D

darthstar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:33:55pm

Rick Santorum needs to spend some time buying puppy accessories with Marcus Bachmann.

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:34:40pm

re: #74 engineer dog

newt just now being interviewed by chris matthews:

"by april it will be gingrich vs romney, and then he'll lose"

Youtube Video

Talking Point Detective Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:35:10pm

re: #66 Obdicut

The slosh and surge of not-Romney candidates has been hilarious. I'm sure each time the supporters have had total conviction, too.

It's really a bizarre phenomenon. I suspect unprecedented in American electoral politics - in part due to the unprecedented influence of media and campaign spending by PACs.

Well, they've run out of not-Mitts. I mean I suppose Huntsman hopes that he could be a not-Mitt, but he isn't quite lunatic enough to capture the passion and imagination of the Republican-voting public. Maybe if he went out and got a Mohawk or something.

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:35:33pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

bitching isn't voting, they want to bitch,

but at the polls, they're not going to pull the lever for a republican in this climate

the mischief of it is, if they are too discouraged to vote because they think obama is "no different than a republican", they empower republicans

and when i point this out, i get called an "obamabot"

gah

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:35:47pm

re: #67 engineer dog

as of today, though, gallup has him still surging

:-)

Will Newt Succeed In Thwarting Mitt? Stay Tuned!

Newt can't win, but he CAN sabotage Romney's bid

Talking Point Detective Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:36:25pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmm, pay teachers or make sure tobacco and oil companies get ludicrous tax breaks? Its a no brainer for Republicans.

Teachers Decide To Work For Free After Budget Cuts Leave Pennsylvania School District Without Funds For Salaries

C'mon, they're only teaching for free so they can brainwash children into voting Democratic, and you know it.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:38:01pm

re: #80 engineer dog

the mischief of it is, if they are too discouraged to vote because they think obama is "no different than a republican", they empower republicans

and when i point this out, i get called an "obamabot"

gah

The Obamabot meme hasn't been leveled against me yet, mostly I think because I hang out with A) dudes who work in kitchens and B) younger hippie artists who are to the left of Anonymous :D

_{of course that means a few of them though 9/11 was an inside job, but they're self-employed costume designers who do hallucinogens, whaddaya want}

sagehen Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:38:22pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

I wonder if any of the secular conservatives that bailed on this blog when Charles publicly parted ways with the right are starting to feel foolish right about now. I know I would.

Are there any? I thought the secular conservatives stuck around, it was the creationist embryo-worshippers who skedaddled.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:39:25pm

re: #79 Talking Point Detective

It's really a bizarre phenomenon. ...snip

It's sent me back to lurking a bunch of RWNJ blogs for a daily cup of tear tea.

Talking Point Detective Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:44:01pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

It's sent me back to lurking a bunch of RWNJ blogs for a daily cup of tear tea.

Haven't done that in a while. Got any to recommend?

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:44:36pm

US Navy saves Iranian fishermen from Pirates

U.S. sailors from a carrier strike group whose recent presence in the Persian Gulf drew the ire of Iranian military officials have rescued 13 of the Middle Eastern country's sailors from a hijacked fishing boat, a military spokesman said Friday.

The destroyer USS Kidd came to the aid of the ship Thursday in the North Arabian sea, near the crucial Strait of Hormuz, according to the Navy.

The rescue prompted the captain of the freed ship to offer his "sincere gratitude," according to Josh Schminky, a Navy Criminal Investigative Service agent aboard the Kidd.

"He was afraid that without our help, they could have been there for months," Schminky said.

The rescue Thursday came two days after Iran said the United States should not send any more warships into the Persian Gulf.

Still no word on how Obama fucked this up, but I'm sure given time, their will plenty ideas on that topic

Achilles Tang Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:44:47pm

It's god that gives rights, not society./

Lidane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:45:46pm

re: #10 ralphieboy

Why is the pursuit of happiness suddenly a privelege?

Because gay sex is icky and lesbians are only hot in porn.

Next question?

///

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:53:56pm

re: #86 Talking Point Detective

Haven't done that in a while. Got any to recommend?

The same ones from years back--Free Republic, Hot Air, Red State. Each seems to have its own favorite and a bunch of zombie fans for Cain/Palin/Christie--even Trump.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:55:50pm

re: #88 Naso Tang

It's god that gives rights, not society./

It's consensus and firepower that give rights to us skeptics.

aagcobb Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:59:01pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you want a good laugh, read Michael Gerson's editorial at the WaPo today lauding Santorum as the return of "compassionate conservatism" because he cares about the working man.
As long as the working man is indeed male, and straight, of course (no, Gerson doesn't say that, but plenty of commenters have said it).

This is what the Republicans have come to: Mr. keep-'em-barefoot-and-pregnant Santorum is their "nice guy."

It's a sham; The people Santorum cares about are the 1%.

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:00:08pm

Obama Administration Expands Definition Of Rape

On Friday, the Justice Department did something it hasn’t done since 1929: it changed the definition of rape.

For over 80 years, for the purposes of crime collection data, rape was defined as forcible male penile penetration of a female. This excluded a vast number of sexual crimes including oral and anal penetration, or instances when a victim was unable to give consent. The new definition makes up for these oversights. It also expands the definition to reflect that anyone — male, female, or transgender — can be a victim of rape.

The Obama administration was closely involved with the change. The DOJ’s Office of Violence Against Women (OVW) worked closely with White House Advisor on Violence Against Women and the Office of the Vice President.

Valerie Jarrett, a senior advisor to the president, told reporters that the previous definition generated numbers that gave an “incomplete” picture of the impact of sexual assaults around the county. Officials said they weren’t able to offer a prediction of how much of an increase they expect under the expanded definition.

Look for articles blaming Obama for the rising amount of reported rapes in the US, coming soon to a wingnut site near you.

dragonfire1981 Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:02:15pm

re: #11 elizajane

If you want a good laugh, read Michael Gerson's editorial at the WaPo today lauding Santorum as the return of "compassionate conservatism" because he cares about the working man.
As long as the working man is indeed male, and straight, of course (no, Gerson doesn't say that, but plenty of commenters have said it).

This is what the Republicans have come to: Mr. keep-'em-barefoot-and-pregnant Santorum is their "nice guy."

Youtube Video

Renaissance_Man Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:04:27pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama Administration Expands Definition Of Rape

Look for articles blaming Obama for the rising amount of reported rapes in the US, coming soon to a wingnut site near you.

It is worth noting that the very narrow US definition of rape has been the main reason gun nuts get to claim that heavily armed Americans keep rape rates 'low' compared to other countries.

Lidane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:04:56pm

Oh, this is fun:

Clip Of The Day: McCain Forgets Romney’s Name

Mitt Romney’s been hitting New Hampshire and South Carolina lately with his former rival, Senator John McCain. The idea is to have the grand old man of Republican politics help coalesce support around the current GOP frontrunner. But the moment that caught the attention of the cable networks was when McCain got things, well, a little bit mixed up…

Lidane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:06:13pm

Also, way to court the Hispanic vote, Goodhair:

Perry Names Sheriff Joe Arpaio His AZ Campaign Chair

engineer cat Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:07:03pm

re: #96 Lidane

Oh, this is fun:

Clip Of The Day: McCain Forgets Romney’s Name

'daddy party' becomes 'granpa party'

darthstar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:08:38pm

re: #96 Lidane

Oh, this is fun:

Clip Of The Day: McCain Forgets Romney’s Name

President Obama IS turning this country around...McCain's verbal slip is called honesty. Notice how freaked out Republicans get when it happens. And was that Christine O'Donnell on stage?

100

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:09:48pm

re: #97 Lidane

Also, way to court the Hispanic vote, Goodhair:

Perry Names Sheriff Joe Arpaio His AZ Campaign Chair

Perry has officially entered the "Fuck it, lets burn the money we've got before I have to quit" portion of his campaign.

101

darthstar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:10:05pm

re: #98 engineer dog

'daddy party' becomes 'granpa party'

McCain's a senile old fart - yes, he was a war hero FORTY FUCKING YEARS ago, but he's not that person anymore...he's just an addled old man who now asks for a table close to the bathroom when he goes to restaurants.

102

Varek Raith Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:16:08pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry has officially entered the "Fuck it, lets burn the money we've got before I have to quit" portion of his campaign.

I can be his campaign chair in Virginia.
Easy job.

103

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:16:29pm

re: #101 darthstar

McCain's a senile old fart - yes, he was a war hero FORTY FUCKING YEARS ago, but he's not that person anymore...he's just an addled old man who now asks for a table close to the bathroom when he goes to restaurants.

One can be a respected war hero and an addled old fart. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

104

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:16:39pm

re: #84 sagehen

Are there any? I thought the secular conservatives stuck around, it was the creationist embryo-worshippers who skedaddled.

An assortment. The creationists went first, when the evolution threads started, the secular conservatives started going later.

I am nostalgic about the evolution threads. They were a great deal of fun.

105

Varek Raith Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:18:01pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One can be a respected war hero and an addled old fart. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

True, but you ain't a war hero.
:P

106

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:18:36pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

An assortment. The creationists went first, when the evolution threads started, the secular conservatives started going later.

I am nostalgic about the evolution threads. They were a great deal of fun.

They were a hoot. The part where people I had thought were sane exposed themselves as superstitious nutjobs was extremely enlightening and served as a useful eye opener.

107

Kragar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:20:27pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

True, but you ain't a war hero.
:P

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...

108

darthstar Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:21:23pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One can be a respected war hero and an addled old fart. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

Fine...restrict the old fucker to riding in a convertible Cadillac waving absentmindedly to crowds at Rodeo Week parades. He shouldn't be in government any more...he's worthless as a politician.

109

Lidane Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:22:04pm

*sigh*

Georgia Lawmaker Apologizes For Attacking Romney’s Mormon Faith, Does Not Apologize To Muslims

110

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:27:07pm

re: #84 sagehen

Are there any? I thought the secular conservatives stuck around, it was the creationist embryo-worshippers who skedaddled.

There were a few that simply stopped commenting here. I'm still here.

111

whitebeach Fri, Jan 6, 2012 5:27:57pm

I'm kinda surprised nobody has pointed this out about the "privilege" BS (maybe it's just that obvious?): If service in the military is a privilege" that "we" can deny to any group whatsoever on grounds of "national security," then why can't "we" preclude service by blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews, Orientals, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Episcopalians, Unitarians, non-Evangelicals, Democrats, Independents, anybody at all in fact except who "we" happen to be?

112

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jan 6, 2012 5:48:15pm

re: #111 whitebeach

I'm kinda surprised nobody has pointed this out about the "privilege" BS (maybe it's just that obvious?): If service in the military is a privilege" that "we" can deny to any group whatsoever on grounds of "national security," then why can't "we" preclude service by blacks, women, Hispanics, Jews, Orientals, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Episcopalians, Unitarians, non-Evangelicals, Democrats, Independents, anybody at all in fact except who "we" happen to be?

I've been pointing this out for years.

"The Gays" are just an easy, convenient target to get rid of all manner of civil rights legislation.

A lot of their antigay hate is just anti-civil rights butthurt in general. If gays were not demanding equal treatment, they wouldn't give two rat's rears about The Gays.

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funky chicken Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:03:56pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmm, pay teachers or make sure tobacco and oil companies get ludicrous tax breaks? Its a no brainer for Republicans.

Teachers Decide To Work For Free After Budget Cuts Leave Pennsylvania School District Without Funds For Salaries

Holy Shit.

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