Obama Opens Huge Lead Over Romney in Swing States, as Women Shun the GOP

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The Republican Party and their religious right puppetmasters have been waging an all-out war on women’s rights — and now we’re starting to see the results: Swing States Poll: A Shift by Women Puts Obama in Lead.

MILWAUKEE – President Obama has opened the first significant lead of the 2012 campaign in the nation’s dozen top battleground states, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, boosted by a huge shift of women to his side.

In the fifth Swing States survey taken since last fall, Obama leads Republican front-runner Mitt Romney 51%-42% among registered voters just a month after the president had trailed him by two percentage points.

The biggest change came among women under 50. In mid-February, just under half of those voters supported Obama. Now more than six in 10 do while Romney’s support among them has dropped by 14 points, to 30%. The president leads him 2-1 in this group.

Romney’s main advantage is among men 50 and older, swamping Obama 56%-38%.

Republicans’ traditional strength among men “won’t be good enough if we’re losing women by nine points or 10 points,” says Sara Taylor Fagen, a Republican strategist and former political adviser to President George W. Bush. “The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue.”

UPDATE at 4/1/12 8:25:50 pm

By the way, the Republican strategist quoted in this article whining that the GOP is “unfairly” being held to account for their attacks on women’s rights, Sara Taylor Fagen, is a protegé of Karl Rove.

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519 comments
1 Kragar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:15:39pm

Obviously Romney just isn't conservative enough...

2 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:16:00pm

The Uterati strike back.

3 calochortus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:18:39pm
“The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue.”

Unfairly? Why unfairly, pray tell?

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:19:27pm

re: #3 calochortus

Unfairly? Why unfairly, pray tell?

"Unfairly" because she's a Republican strategist.

5 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:19:43pm

says Sara Taylor Fagen, a Republican strategist and former political adviser to President George W. Bush. “The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue.”

Hahahahaha cry me a river of wingnut tears, you female equivalent of Ken Mehlman :P

Romney’s main advantage is among men 50 and older, swamping Obama 56%-38%.

In other words, the Rush Limbaugh fan club 9_9

6 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:19:51pm

re: #3 calochortus

Unfairly? Why unfairly, pray tell?

Because they've still got themselves fooled to believe that it's a "religious freedom" issue.

7 Kragar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:20:26pm

How can holding them accountable for their words and action be fair?
/

8 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:20:46pm

This is a precursor to "Step #5" people!!! Soon Obama will be ordering the police and the military to take are guns and take us to FEMA run re-education camps!

9 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:20:50pm

"Alinskyites, unfairly pitting Americans against Americans that don't want other Americans controlling their bodies!"

10 calochortus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:21:11pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

"Unfairly" because she's a Republican strategist.

And Republican strategy isn't something Republicans take responsibility for?

11 Mocking Jay  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:22:40pm

"Unfairly" does not mean what she thinks it means.

12 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:22:49pm

In mid-February, just under half of those voters supported Obama. Now more than six in 10 do while Romney’s support among them has dropped by 14 points, to 30%. The president leads him 2-1 in this group.

30%? Wow. That's hard to believe...

Then again, maybe it isn't. Maybe treating women like shit tends to have an electoral impact. Maybe pandering to extremists isn't so politically fucking expedient after all.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:23:00pm

re: #10 calochortus

And Republican strategy isn't something Republicans take responsibility for?

Sara Taylor Fagen is a Karl Rove protege. That should tell you everything you need to know.

14 calochortus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:24:05pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Ah, that explains much.

15 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:25:58pm
“The focus on contraception has not been a good one for us … and Republicans have unfairly taken on water on this issue.”

Blame the Media!!

16 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:27:30pm

re: #15 Mich-again

Blame the Media!!

When you're a perpetual victim, you need an assortment of victimizers - but "the media" is the basic fallback position.

17 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:27:41pm

re: #15 Mich-again

Blame the Media!!

The MSM is unbalanced!!1!.

Faux News for the WIN!!

18 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:28:53pm

And when Romney loses in an epic landslide the GOP denialists will no doubt blame it on him not being conservative enough.

If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage.

19 jaunte  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:28:56pm

The Wall Street Journal called her a “data whiz” and went on to say, “As a top strategist for the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election efforts Fagen helped perfect political micro-targeting.”
[Link: ddcadvocacy.com...]

Getting caught trying to turn the clock back to the 50's is so unfair.

20 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:29:00pm

I am Gonzo.

21 Batman  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:29:25pm
Romney’s main advantage is among men 50 and older

Once upon a time, they were the only ones who mattered. Yet another reason for conservatives to yearn for the days of yore.

22 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:30:48pm

re: #21 Batman

Romney’s main advantage is among men 50 and older

I bet ALEC has already drafted model legislation to restrict voting rights to white men over 50.

23 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:31:30pm

Of course being that this Obama the wingers will attribute this to some bizarre Alinsky-Communist-Witchdoctor-Secular plot devised by the "diabolical Obama" who seems to have morphed into somewhat of a comic book villain in the eyes of most right-wing bloggers. Instead of, you know, old fashioned politics and commonly shared ideas of women and access to contraception.

24 Kragar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:31:46pm

re: #22 Mich-again

I bet ALEC has already drafted model legislation to restrict voting rights to white men over 50 who own land.

fixed

25 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #18 Mich-again

And when Romney loses in an epic landslide the GOP denialists will no doubt blame it on him not being conservative enough.

If the medicine aint working, increase the dosage.

Thing about it is that, eventually, you kill the patient. The Dems found that out with Mondale, but I'm not sure that the GOP will have the same revelation, even if Romney loses in an epic landslide.

26 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:32:51pm

Enter Rover

Youtube Video
27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:33:16pm

a republican complaining about fairness?


you have got to be fucking kidding me

28 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:33:39pm

re: #23 Gus

Of course being that this Obama the wingers will attribute this to some bizarre Alinsky-Communist-Witchdoctor-Secular plot devised by the "diabolical Obama" who seems to have morphed into somewhat of a comic book villain in the eyes of most right-wing bloggers. Instead of, you know, old fashioned politics and commonly shared ideas of women and access to contraception.

Nah, they're doing what they do best: Projecting like an iMax theater, in this case accusing Obama of being the one who's promoting the divide amongst voters, while they preach that they're all about "unity" and coming together.

Except with the Muslims...and the blacks...and the hispanics...the womenfolk...the gays...the tree huggers...///

29 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:35:26pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:35:36pm

The OP video needs to be a heavily run (on television) campaign commercial.

31 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

Not sure HRC will run in 2016, or that she'd win if she did. I think we'll see a bit of a repeat of '08, namely the search for some "young kid" who's in the process of making a name for himself amongst the ranks.

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:37:00pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

Imagine the internet conservative seizures if Michelle Obama ran in 2016 and won

33 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:37:40pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Nah, they're doing what they do best: Projecting like an iMax theater, in this case accusing Obama of being the one who's promoting the divide amongst voters, while they preach that they're all about "unity" and coming together.

Except with the Muslims...and the blacks...and the hispanics...the womenfolk...the gays...the tree huggers...///

Yeah, but I meant that you would have to be "Alinsky-Communist-Witchdoctor-Secular Super Villain!" to even accomplish that. Which he of course isn't and no one can be. Which is how I picture their absurdest theories. They tremble in fear and often prone to loathsome thoughts.

34 dragonath  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:38:21pm
Republicans’ traditional strength among men “won’t be good enough if we’re losing women by nine points or 10 points,” says Sara Taylor Fagen, a Republican strategist and former political adviser to President George W. Bush.

Boy that looks good on the resume

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:39:42pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

Nah, Russ Feingold. The TP & GOP will have so poisoned the idea of "conservatism" by then that the country will be ready to try a real leftist as President.

36 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:39:51pm

And as the USA gets younger and less white the GOP/Tea Party will only drift further into political oblivion.

37 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:41:46pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

I wish I had your confidence.

But what will be interesting to watch is that if this trend holds up during the run-up to the 2012 election, will they in fact double-down. The extremists certainly will - Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox News, the frightwing blogosphere, etc., will go even crazier than they already have, but it's hard to believe that Romney's that stupid.

38 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:45:20pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

Hillary will be 69 in 2016. She will likely already have been retired for 4 years by then. I believe that she's ready for retirement and has even said as much. This might be her last year in public service.

If we do trends the one I see is two term presidents with switching of parties in between. If the GOP continues on this road I would say they stand a chance of losing. But, if they become more centered and moderate they stand the best odds to win in 2016 because of the nature of the American electorate. But they can't pull another circus like this year for that to work. To that end, most of us aren't very optimistic.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:46:37pm

re: #29 Mich-again

2012 goes to Obama. The GOP will then double down on kookiness and lose in 2016 to HRC. The GOP's first realistic shot at the WH is 2020.

They keep going in this direction, and they'll end up being as relevant as the Libertarian Party, or the Green Party, or any of the other pointless fringe parties.

40 Mich-again  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:46:49pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

Nah, Russ Feingold. The TP & GOP will have so poisoned the idea of "conservatism" by then that the country will be ready to try a real leftist as President.

I think as the GOP keeps drifting further to the right, the centrist former GOPers will defect and support centrist Dem candidates. The strategy of the GOP to lurch rightward is completely wrong. It will take two more lost elections for them to figure that out.

41 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:51:53pm

re: #40 Mich-again

I think as the GOP keeps drifting further to the right, the centrist former GOPers will defect and support centrist Dem candidates.

To some effect that has already happened. Contrary to all the wingnuts' rants about President Obama, he's hardly a "leftist". Heck, he's hardly a "liberal" in the way that term was used just a few decades ago. Obama is rather conservative in personal matters (see his family), has been very cautious wrt gay rights, continues many of the Bush policies on terrorism, etc.

42 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:52:13pm

I still think it would have been a lot more fun if Obama was going to run against Rick Perry.

//

43 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:53:13pm

re: #41 freetoken

To some effect that has already happened. Contrary to all the wingnuts' rants about President Obama, he's hardly a "leftist". Heck, he's hardly a "liberal" in the way that term was used just a few decades ago. Obama is rather conservative in personal matters (see his family), has been very cautious wrt gay rights, continues many of the Bush policies on terrorism, etc.

She who governs best governs from the...

44 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:53:31pm

re: #42 Gus

I still want to see Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachman run together...

45 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:56:26pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

I still want to see Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachman run together...

A refreshing change of atmosphere from Romney in which we can relish in their natural derpitude.

I was thinking thought that 2016 might be the year we get a woman president.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:58:07pm

shared the video on my fb.

I doubt the GOP will have a rebuttal that is anywhere near as clear. They'd talk about the "sanctity of life" and "religious liberty." I guess, breast cancer, cervical cancer, and pregnancy aren't campaign issues.

Healthy Moms to care for Healthy Kids isn't a priority for them.

Like any other group of people that are expendable. You can always get another woman.

/gah

47 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:58:18pm

re: #45 Gus

Have to find a decent candidate, first...

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:58:39pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

I still want to see Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachman run together...

No, pleez. I couldn't stand to have to hear about it.

49 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 8:59:09pm

although, I do think Bachmann will try again.

She and her entourage are just that stupid.

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:00:15pm

re: #45 Gus

A refreshing change of atmosphere from Romney in which we can relish in their natural derpitude.

I was thinking thought that 2016 might be the year we get a woman president.

Wasserman-Shultz?

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:00:22pm

re: #42 Gus

I still think it would have been a lot more fun if Obama was going to run against Rick Perry.

//

I'm still hoping for Santorum.

52 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:00:58pm

re: #50 ggt

Wasserman-Shultz?

Yeah. There's a few others too.

53 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:01:27pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I'm still hoping for Santorum.

Santorum/O'Donnell ticket?

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:01:49pm

re: #53 Gus

Santorum/O'Donnell ticket?

Rosie?

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:02:07pm

re: #50 ggt

Wasserman-Shultz?

That'll probably make more wingnut heads pop than a second term Obama.

56 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:02:14pm

re: #54 ggt

Rosie?

I am not a witch!

57 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:02:58pm

re: #56 Gus

I am not a witch!

Youtube Video
58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:03:09pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

That'll probably make more wingnut heads pop than a second term Obama.

I know. She is the one I see them putting forward.

who else?

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:04:19pm

re: #57 Gus

[Embedded content]

That is really scary.

I think she is a witch.

/;)

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:05:02pm

Where did everyone go?

I went away for a few and the place seems empty.

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:05:28pm

re: #60 ggt

Where did everyone go?

I went away for a few and the place seems empty.

Looking at cakewrecks and messaging my sister on FB, actually.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:07:14pm

re: #58 ggt

who else?

Dunno. I just know that the wingnut reactionaries really hate Debbie. I wouldn't even know who the hell she was if it wasn't for all the wingnut squawking.

63 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:07:42pm

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Dunno. I just know that the wingnut reactionaries really hate Debbie. I wouldn't even know who the hell she was if it wasn't for all the wingnut squawking.

I've seen her on C-SPAN. She is very strong.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:07:45pm

re: #59 ggt

That is really scary.

I think she is a witch.

/;)

A boner witch.

65 Kragar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:08:49pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

A boner witch.

HEY-YO!

66 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:09:19pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

A boner witch.

Yeah, she told me she was a witch. But what was I supposed to do? I wasn't in the position to contradict her opinion.

//

67 Ming  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:10:45pm

There are still obstacles to Obama's reelection. One is if the current high oil prices remain high, and go up this summer. The economic recovery is going well, but look what happened after the high oil prices of summer 2008. The second obstacle is that Mitt Romney is free to completely reinvent himself for the fall campaign. No one really knows who Romney will be in the fall. Moderate or conservative? How can anyone know? Another problem is the years of relentless right-wing hatred directed at Obama. Many Americans believe the worst about him, and may be very motivated to vote.

68 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:10:46pm

re: #65 Kragar

HEY-YO!

Carnac the Magnificent has a message for you.

69 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:11:32pm

I sent this earlier to some friends on FB, looking for help. I've had this mindset for many years, sometimes buried underneath hope, but when I slide into depression, it comes out. Most of this is cobbled from information I have learned over the years from various places, including Wrong Planet, which I left way back in 2009.

Statistically, I feel totally hosed. I'm Autistic, so I think I will be looked over by damn near anyone.I've seen that story so many times on Autistic-person websites to get me very, very depressed And then most parents wouldn't assent their children to being with a Muslim. Which combines to make it worse. And then my personality makes it hard to meet people, as I don't like large groups because of Sensory Overload and just plain not knowing how to deal with large groups.

After the years of Familial hell with my Dad, I just want to have a nice, loving family. And Autism will take even that dumb wish from me. I hate being Autistic. It makes me like the crippled dog at Humane Society you know that will never be adopted.

Considering earlier today, guess my Mindset right now.

There is a family history of Bipolar, however, I most definitely have Autism, soon to be formerly known as Asperger's Syndrome. Often, Autism can look alot like Bipolar.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:13:02pm

re: #67 Ming

No, I don't see any of the potential candidates, currently running a having a chance.

71 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:14:35pm

re: #69 ProGunLiberal

I sent this earlier to some friends on FB, looking for help. I've had this mindset for many years, sometimes buried underneath hope, but when I slide into depression, it comes out. Most of this is cobbled from information I have learned over the years from various places, including Wrong Planet, which I left way back in 2009.

Considering earlier today, guess my Mindset right now.

There is a family history of Bipolar, however, I most definitely have Autism, soon to be formerly known as Asperger's Syndrome. Often, Autism can look alot like Bipolar.

PGL--I don't know what to tell you, except that I don't think you'll find what you need on the internet.

Stay away from sites that are downers to you. Get off the computer and find some ways to make a friend or two out there, in the real world.

72 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:14:46pm

This is America:

Bagley, Minn., schools chief calls for Intelligent Design in curriculum

The inclusion of Intelligent Design in schools' studies of life origins is overdue, said the superintendent of Bagley schools.

Steve Cairns was among more than 600 people who took part in "Rebuilding the Foundation: Demolishing the Pillars of Evolution," a seminar held Saturday, March 31 at Bemidji High School.

"I think it's something that should be talked about," Cairns said of Intelligent Design. "For many people, it's a valuable experience."

The seminar was presented by Texas-based Institute of Creation Research.

Paul Rogers, assistant director of events for CRI, said it is typical for such conventions to be held in churches, but local supporters insisted on a larger venue. About 600 people attended the Bemidji conference, he said.

Cairns said he knows teachers have broken classes into two groups to debate evolution theory versus Intelligent Design, but Intelligent Design was never given a lot of time or attention.

Instead, most teachers focus solely on evolution, he said.

"There are so many unexplained aspects of evolution, such as the missing links," he said.

[... lots of creationist derpitude ...]

"I loved the stuff about proving animals and everything don't change," said Jan Scamp of Bemidji, "how the dinosaurs died with their heads up, trying to get air."

Scamp attended the seminar after hearing of it through her church, Ridgewood Baptist in Bemidji.

Morris believes that the worldwide flood depicted in the Bible during Noah's lifetime would have deposited layers and layers of sediment that have been misinterpreted by evolutionists who believe the layers indicate ages of time.

The layers compose what is the Geological Time Scale, millions-years-long periods that represent periods in which events occurred. Evolutionists, Morris said, use the scale to show periods of evolutionary change.

But if the "great flood" caused these layers, Morris said, there would be no basis on which evolution is founded.

He also argued against evolution by saying that there is no hard evidence that shows one creature evolving into another. If a fish did turn into an amphibian, there would be a "missing link" or transitional fossils proving such steps. Yet none exist.

He agreed that adaptation has occurred throughout history, but said that changes within a kind of animal, such as dogs, does not equate evolution.

"Adaptation is not evolution," he said. "A variation or adaptation does not prove you came from a fish."

Karl Ewert, a student at Bemidji State University, heard about the convention through his church, 7th Day Adventist. Ewert, 20, said he has been exposed to both evolution theory and Creationism through schooling and life, but embraces Creationism himself.

[...]

I've been to the Bemidji area before, years ago, for the fishing. I wonder what happened to turn that area into a creationist hotbed.

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:16:50pm

re: #72 freetoken

This is America:

Bagley, Minn., schools chief calls for Intelligent Design in curriculum

I've been to the Bemidji area before, years ago, for the fishing. I wonder what happened to turn that area into a creationist hotbed.

I just seems a little contradictory, isn't the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota? And the gold-bonded rehab facility (can't remember the name?). Seems there would be a constituency firmly based in the biological sciences and evolution.

74 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:17:23pm

re: #71 ggt

I left WrongPlanet long ago.

But the things I read stayed with me.

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:18:05pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

I left WrongPlanet long ago.

But the things I read stayed with me.

take those tapes out and find something new to play.

You can program your own brain-soft-ware. Let them go.

76 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:18:45pm

It's still a long way till November.

77 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:18:56pm

re: #73 ggt

Minnesota is a large state, at least in one dimension. Bemidji is in the northern part, on the way to Canada. Lots of lakes full of walleye and perch and some bass, and lots of mosquitoes.

The Mayo Clinic is in the SE part of the state.

Did I mention there are lots of lakes and mosquitoes in Minnesota?

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:19:18pm

This looks to freaking absurd to miss...

Red Band Trailer for Seth MacFarlane's "Ted".

And somewhere out there, Abstinence Bear is sitting in a hot shower, hugging his knees and sobbing uncontrollably

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:19:34pm

re: #77 freetoken

Minnesota is a large state, at least in one dimension. Bemidji is in the northern part, on the way to Canada. Lots of lakes full of walleye and perch and some bass, and lots of mosquitoes.

The Mayo Clinic is in the SE part of the state.

Did I mention there are lots of lakes and mosquitoes in Minnesota?

Mosquito repellant --another example of why we need Science!

80 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:21:33pm

re: #79 ggt

Mosquito repellant --...

Never worked for me. That's one of the top reasons I like SoCal - almost no mosquitoes.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:22:15pm

re: #72 freetoken

This is America:

It's also Turkey, the UK, Ireland, Scotland, etc.

Though I take your point, the entire world is besieged by superstitious loons in positions of power. And no, that definitely does not make me feel better about the state of our union.

82 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:24:27pm

re: #75 ggt

Maybe, but I can't shake the feeling there is validity to some of the things they said. Because I myself am now 21, turning 22 in August, and have never been in a relationship.

And I won't go for someone who is desperate. I had to deal with that earlier this school year. Someone who is desperate just wants someone who will give them attention, at least in this one case I dealt with.

I want someone who will actually like me in a romantic way, and sorry to say, it hasn't happened yet. Which makes me believe they are right.

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:24:31pm

I am beginning to think that if a person can't handle the change in the world, their best bet is to see a doctor. Change won't stop--it is organic and dynamic. There is no superhuman monster or benevolent dictator that is controlling things.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:25:20pm

re: #80 freetoken

Never worked for me. That's one of the top reasons I like SoCal - almost no mosquitoes.

We must share a similar quality in blood. Take me camping with a group anywhere, and that group is all but guaranteed to be ignored by mosquitoes. My veins are like crack to those buzzing little assholes.

85 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:25:50pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

I still want to see Sarah Palin & Michelle Bachman run together...

hand in hand?

*barf

86 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:25:54pm

re: #82 ProGunLiberal

Maybe, but I can't shake the feeling there is validity to some of the things they said. Because I myself am now 21, turning 22 in August, and have never been in a relationship.

And I won't go for someone who is desperate. I had to deal with that earlier this school year. Someone who is desperate just wants someone who will give them attention, at least in this one case I dealt with.

I want someone who will actually like me in a romantic way, and sorry to say, it hasn't happened yet. Which makes me believe they are right.

I'm not a professional and, I think, you need to talk to a professional who can help you use Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to change your thought patterns. It works, it's healthy and you will get better results that posting on the internet.

87 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:26:05pm

re: #77 freetoken

Minnesota is a large state, at least in one dimension. Bemidji is in the northern part, on the way to Canada. Lots of lakes full of walleye and perch and some bass, and lots of mosquitoes.

The Mayo Clinic is in the SE part of the state.

Did I mention there are lots of lakes and mosquitoes in Minnesota?

Lots of pine and taconite too. //

The Upper midwest is really quite nice - Minnesota, Wisconsin, The UP... all wonderful places. I've loved being in a whole lot of places but as Le Guin once put it, I'm "always coming home".

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:26:49pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

We must share a similar quality in blood. Take me camping with a group anywhere, and that group is all but guaranteed to be ignored by mosquitoes. My veins are like crack to those buzzing little assholes.

smoke a cigarette. They hate that.

I used to keep one lit like incense at the youth baseball games. It worked for the whole group.

89 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:26:54pm

re: #81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

It's also Turkey, the UK, Ireland, Scotland, etc.

Though I take your point, the entire world is besieged by superstitious loons in positions of power. And no, that definitely does not make me feel better about the state of our union.

I still worry more about our loons than their loons.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:27:14pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

You'd watch that porno, and you know it!
/

91 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:29:04pm

re: #89 Gus

I still worry more about our loons than their loons.

why do you worry about loons?

92 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:29:17pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

With the included flag pin on my lapel.

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:00pm

re: #89 Gus

I still worry more about our loons than their loons.

I do too. But some of "their" loons have been known to fly planes into buildings.

On the flip side, some of "our" loons have been known to promote murdering gays in other countries.

In truth, all the loons concern me.

94 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:30:35pm

re: #91 ggt

why do you worry about loons?

Youtube Video
95 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:31:50pm

Two Loons on the Lake

Youtube Video

JINX!@!!!

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:32:20pm

re: #91 ggt

why do you worry about loons?

Next you'll be asking about our fascination with tits.

97 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:33:08pm

re: #95 Amory Blaine

Two Loons on the Lake

[Embedded content]

The GAF talking viewmaster. See #94.

98 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:33:27pm

re: #92 Amory Blaine

With the included flag pin on my lapel.

this one?

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:33:29pm

re: #92 Amory Blaine

Your lapel if you're lucky.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:34:21pm

re: #98 ggt

Stick figure pr0n is hawt!
/

101 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:35:27pm

re: #86 ggt

Probably.

It just that I try and think logically about everything, if I am not in blazing anger. Logic is easy for me to understand. Outside of it, I have no clue what I am doing.

102 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:35:43pm

I'm drinking wine spritzers 0_o. It is Thursday afternoon in my world.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:38:05pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

How many wine spritzers have you had? And are you in Future Thursday or Past Thursday?

This is important. I want to know exactly what kind of time travel I can expect, and how many spritzers I need to imbibe for a desired affect.

104 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:40:07pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I do too. But some of "their" loons have been known to fly planes into buildings.

On the flip side, some of "our" loons have been known to promote murdering gays in other countries.

In truth, all the loons concern me.

They did fly into the WTC and killed 3,000 of our people. But then we turned around and killed 100,000 of their people in Iraq. We invaded Afghanistan with less dead but they're still giving us the finger. Pakistan is still giving us the finger. In the end they still think they're losing. So we think they have their loons that killed 3,000 on 9/11. But they're looking at us and thinking "you killed 100,000 of our people for something we had nothing to do with?"

105 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:41:33pm

re: #101 ProGunLiberal

Probably.

It just that I try and think logically about everything, if I am not in blazing anger. Logic is easy for me to understand. Outside of it, I have no clue what I am doing.

The therapist will help you learn another facet of logic --show you how to recognize unhealthy thinking patterns.

106 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:42:31pm

lol I'm on number two but these are like 20oz glasses.

I was thinking about digging into my Raging Bitch Belgian-Style IPA. But it just feels like a wine night. BTW Ralph Steadman is doing the artwork for all their beers at Flying Dog Brewery.

107 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:44:06pm

re: #105 ggt

But at the same time, I don't want to believe in false hope, you know?

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:44:56pm

re: #104 Gus

Non sequitur. Not interested.

109 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:45:35pm

re: #107 ProGunLiberal

But at the same time, I don't want to believe in false hope, you know?

All you can do is try and like I said before. It's not going to get better looking for help on the internet.

doing the same thing over and over again and expecting change . . . .

ya know?

110 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:46:56pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Non sequitur. Not interested.

As a literary device, I've found it quite useful.

111 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:48:06pm

re: #109 ggt

Yeah. Expecting different results from doing same thing is insanity, right?

I've always thought that talking will help the issues uncoil. Obviously in this case, that simply isn't true. All it is doing is burying it for future problems.

112 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:48:13pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Non sequitur. Not interested.

Perhaps for you it's a non sequitir but for me it isn't. Help keeps how others perceive us in check. It's not about me looking at how I would like them to see us. I prefer reality to know exactly what they think. We also have to understand future impacts of our own very large footprint in this world. So it's not even close to being a non sequitir but something that all world leaders have to take into account.

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:49:37pm

re: #111 ProGunLiberal

Yeah. Expecting different results from doing same thing is insanity, right?

I've always thought that talking will help the issues uncoil. Obviously in this case, that simply isn't true. All it is doing is burying it for future problems.

Try this.

uncoiling seems to make sense, but what usually happens with humans is that we just get caught in a loop we can't seem to get out of without help.. And you aren't going to find that help on the internet.

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:50:50pm

re: #112 Gus

Perhaps for you it's a non sequitir but for me it isn't. Help keeps how others perceive us in check. It's not about me looking at how I would like them to see us. I prefer reality to know exactly what they think. We also have to understand future impacts of our own very large footprint in this world. So it's not even close to being a non sequitir but something that all world leaders have to take into account.

How can we understand future impacts, totally? We don't have the experience --there will be new science and new math and god knows what else that we can't begin to factor in.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:51:27pm

re: #112 Gus

Perhaps for you it's a non sequitir but for me it isn't. Help keeps how others perceive us in check. It's not about me looking at how I would like them to see us. I prefer reality to know exactly what they think. We also have to understand future impacts of our own very large footprint in this world. So it's not even close to being a non sequitir but something that all world leaders have to take into account.

We were talking about the world's loons and the damage the they cause, not an allied reaction to a specific terrorist attack.

At least, that's what I thought we were talking about.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:52:17pm

re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

We were talking about the world's loons and the damage the they cause, not an allied reaction to a specific terrorist attack.

At least, that's what I thought we were talking about.

A loon flew into my husband's front grill once on the highway. Caused a hell of a mess. Had to stop at the next local town to wash the front of the car.

Old men hanging around the car wash/garage were awfully interested.

117 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:53:28pm

re: #105 ggt

The therapist will help you learn another facet of logic --show you how to recognize unhealthy thinking patterns.

A GOOD one will. Sometimes you have to find the right match...

118 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:54:13pm

re: #114 ggt

How can we understand future impacts, totally? We don't have the experience --there will be new science and new math and god knows what else that we can't begin to factor in.

Well the first step is a willingness to accept things even if they're not to our liking. We have to be willing to put up a scenario that doesn't fit "how things should be" but "how things really are." Even if it makes our team look bad sometimes.

119 funky chicken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:54:18pm

re: #19 jaunte

The Wall Street Journal called her a “data whiz” and went on to say, “As a top strategist for the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election efforts Fagen helped perfect political micro-targeting.”
[Link: ddcadvocacy.com...]

Getting caught trying to turn the clock back to the 50's is so unfair.

Ah, 2004. Do I remember a ridiculous amount of congressional time devoted to the dire threat of homosexuality while our troops were being mutilated because of unarmored vehicles in Iraq? Why, yes, yes I do.

[Link: www.gao.gov...]

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:54:22pm

re: #116 ggt

Men like to hang about and watch other men work at something. Sometimes those of us who gawk like to speak as though we know something about the subject.

121 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:54:44pm

re: #116 ggt

LOL! I met a plant taxonomist last month, that was totally fascinated by road kill!

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:55:15pm

re: #117 Floral Giraffe

A GOOD one will. Sometimes you have to find the right match...

True, someone creative enough or experienced enough to work with your particular particularities. I'd start with the closest teaching hospital with a psych unit for a referral.

When I shop for a new therapist I usually do lots of research and narrow it down to three. They usually offer the Intro Session for free when I explain I am trying to find the right fit.

The differences are AMAZING.

123 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:55:42pm

Sociology is 90 percent Oncology.

//

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:56:08pm

re: #118 Gus

Well the first step is a willingness to accept things even if they're not to our liking. We have to be willing to put up a scenario that doesn't fit "how things should be" but "how things really are." Even if it makes our team look bad sometimes.

Pragmatism?

"Shirley, you jest?"

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:57:33pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Men like to hang about and watch other men work at something. Sometimes those of us who gawk like to speak as though we know something about the subject.

Well, when my husband told them why we stopped, about 4 old men got a light in their eyes, got right up out of their lawn chairs and walked to the front of the car. Then they, and my husband, had to talk about it for about 10 minutes.

Serious stuff!

126 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:57:57pm

re: #121 Floral Giraffe

LOL! I met a plant taxonomist last month, that was totally fascinated by road kill!

Wanted to examine the guts, I bet.

:0

127 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:58:02pm

re: #124 ggt

Pragmatism?

"Shirley, you jest?"

India will be testing their ICBMs any day now. I think they have a 750KM range.

128 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:58:40pm

Had a friend up on the farm for the weekend years ago to hunt deer. He came back to the cabin at the end of his last day unsuccessful. He drove into town to pick up some beer or something and on the way back he hit a deer with his truck (accidentally).

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:58:56pm

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:59:06pm

re: #128 Amory Blaine

Had a friend up on the farm for the weekend years ago to hunt deer. He came back to the cabin at the end of his last day unsuccessful. He drove into town to pick up some beer or something and on the way back he hit a deer with his truck (accidentally).

Hunters don't need guns!

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:59:30pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

SFZ --STOP!

argue here, it's so much more fun.

132 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:59:40pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

You keep that up and we'll promote you to Captain.

//

133 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 9:59:55pm

I don't remember if it was bow or gun.

134 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:00:28pm

What the GOP doesn't understand is that for most women contraception is personal and economic. I've been pretty determined not to have babies that I can't afford and not with a temporary boyfriend. Anybody who wants to make that more difficult is messing with my personal life and my money. It's bad politics to mess with either.

135 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:00:32pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

What are you doing over there? That's more insane than my thought processes right now, and that's pretty bad.

136 Amory Blaine  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:00:54pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

Please stop. Better yet close the FOX window altogether.

137 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:01:40pm

re: #132 Gus

You keep that up and we'll promote you to Captain.

//

Posthumously, of course.

//

138 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:01:48pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

STOP! You are arguing with people who are willing to run up their own electric bills to piss off liberals on Earth Day. In other words, idiots.

139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:01:54pm

re: #134 moderatelyradicalliberal

What the GOP doesn't understand is that for most women contraception is personal and economic. I've been pretty determined not to have babies that I can't afford and not with a temporary boyfriend. Anybody who wants to make that more difficult is messing with my personal life and my money. It's bad politics to mess with either.

The religious whackos can't imagine a woman wanting to have sex in the first place. So why would you need contraception if you are not married?

You should be living as Scripture says to. If you did, God will provide. /

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:01:57pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

You're trying to convince cavemen that what they are seeing is a super heated ball of nuclear gas, when they are bound and determined to see a god.

So yes, you should stop arguing with them. Instead, I recommend deploying laser guided snark.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:14pm

re: #135 ProGunLiberal

What are you doing over there? That's more insane than my thought processes right now, and that's pretty bad.

God, I don't know. I told a guy who said that he wanted Zimmerman to walk even if he was guilty that I rarely met someone who openly supported murder.

He just told me I'm 'wearing religion on my sleeve'.

Then there's the guy who keeps popping up to announce that the racist nuts are all actually liberals.

142 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:32pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

Posthumously, of course.

//

Bagpipes!

//

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:02:52pm

re: #142 Gus

Bagpipes!

//

New Orlean's style

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:03:15pm

re: #138 moderatelyradicalliberal

STOP! You are arguing with people who are willing to run up their own electric bills to piss off liberals imaginary boogie men on Earth Day. In other words, idiots.

;)

145 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:03:33pm

re: #143 ggt

New Orlean's style

With saxophone.

//

146 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:04:19pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

God, I don't know. I told a guy who said that he wanted Zimmerman to walk even if he was guilty that I rarely met someone who openly supported murder.

He just told me I'm 'wearing religion on my sleeve'.

Then there's the guy who keeps popping up to announce that the racist nuts are all actually liberals.

If you meet a crazy person on the street who told you he was Napoleon would you argue with him? Same thing.

147 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:04:24pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

OK, SFZ, STOP IT!

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:04:41pm

re: #146 moderatelyradicalliberal

If you meet a crazy person on the street who told you he was Napoleon would you argue with him? Same thing.

good analogy

I'd say arguing with a drunk --why bother, they won't remember in the morning. Then again, at this time of night alot of people drink and post on the internet.

149 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:05:04pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

For your own sake, stop. Let's leave it at that, ok?

150 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:07:35pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

God, I don't know. I told a guy who said that he wanted Zimmerman to walk even if he was guilty that I rarely met someone who openly supported murder.

He just told me I'm 'wearing religion on my sleeve'.

Then there's the guy who keeps popping up to announce that the racist nuts are all actually liberals.

That sounds like...

Youtube Video
151 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:07:37pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm arguing with people in the comments of Fox News. Someone, for God's sake, tell me to stop.

Please stop. The Good One needs you sane.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:09:08pm

re: #146 moderatelyradicalliberal

If you meet a crazy person on the street who told you he was Napoleon would you argue with him? Same thing.

OK, OK, it's shut now.

God, that's a bizarre little world in there.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:09:38pm

re: #148 ggt

good analogy

I'd say arguing with a drunk --why bother, they won't remember in the morning. Then again, at this time of night alot of people drink and post on the internet.

I'll just... But you're a... HOOKERS AND BLACK JACK!!!... Um...

Where am I?

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:15pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, OK, it's shut now.

God, that's a bizarre little world in there.

Listen, any network that let's Huckabee play a musical instrument --well, you know. Just don't go there anymore, OK?

They suck you in, it's like a cult. People need to be deprogrammed.

155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:10:56pm

re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I'll just... But you're a... HOOKERS AND BLACK JACK!!!... Um...

Where am I?

I don't know, where are you?

156 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:11:17pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, OK, it's shut now.

God, that's a bizarre little world in there.

There are bizarre little heads posting there.

157 Gus  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:11:20pm
Youtube Video
158 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:11:21pm

Good morning Western Lizards!

Go-live on the project today, so an early start in order to await the expected issues with shipping plastic products* to the gaping maw of the consumer economy.

Properly stoked on two latte already as well.

* - Well, polyethylene and polypropylene bead that gets made into those products.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:12:36pm

re: #158 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good morning Western Lizards!

Go-live on the project today, so an early start in order to await the expected issues with shipping plastic products* to the gaping maw of the consumer economy.

Properly stoked on two latte already as well.

* - Well, polyethylene and polypropylene bead that gets made into those products.

OMG, so exciting!

WTF are you talking about?

(sounds like science :)

160 Michael McBacon  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:13:29pm

Hello, ProGunLiberal.

I'm 26 and having Autism/Asperger's can be frustrating due to impaired social skills but people in the spectrum tend to be skilled in their favorite hobbies and can even make a living off of them.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:13:43pm

re: #156 Floral Giraffe

There are bizarre little heads posting there.

drunk little heads?

without condoms.

162 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:04pm

FUCK YOU PARKER AND STONE!!!! :D

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:14:34pm

re: #155 ggt

I don't know, where are you?

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!! I think I'm in Xanadu...

Help me, GGT. You're my only hope.
/

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:15:52pm

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! I think I'm in Xanadu...

Help me, GGT. You're my only hope.
/

I think you are hosed.

165 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:17:22pm

Heh, the Razzies came out today and Adam Sandler should be proud of himself, he swept the awards. He actually managed to outdo Lindsay Lohan's record.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:18:46pm

re: #159 ggt

OMG, so exciting!

WTF are you talking about?

(sounds like science :)

Ok, that was kinda snarky.

I am excited for you, I just wish understood all those big words.

and a little jealous you have lattes.

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:26:19pm

re: #159 ggt

OMG, so exciting!

WTF are you talking about?

(sounds like science :)

Heh.

It is science essentially. Take propane, play with it a bit and make propylene (essentially by stripping some hydrogen out), then you put it into a chemical reactor with various other things and get the propylene to start chaining together to make polypropylene. Variables in the secondary ingredients, temp, etc. make polypropylene with different characteristics (brittleness, melt flow temp, etc.) Extrude and chop into little beads for transport.

Do the same thing with ethane -> ethylene -> polyethylene.

Beads get put into various machines (generally extrusion based molding machines, but also can be spun into fiber for stuff like carpets) and made into a wide variety of end products. Add dye beads to get color. Thus we get plastic bottles, cups, deli containers, etc.

Oil-based economy since most of the propylene is a by-product of the oil refineries. But keep an eye on things since the Brazilians have "green" polyethylene based on sugar cane leavings already on the market in small quantitites and are working on getting polypropylene soon that way as well.

And I just wanted to say "gaping maw" in the previous post. ;)

168 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:27:50pm

LOL

169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:28:36pm

My end of all this is sitting here making sure people don't lock themselves out of the computer application we use to track production and shipping of product.

Little cog in the big machine.

And waiting for the Germans to get angry with Mr Burns...

170 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:28:54pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

His career over?

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:07pm

re: #167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Heh.

It is science essentially. Take propane, play with it a bit and make propylene (essentially by stripping some hydrogen out), then you put it into a chemical reactor with various other things and get the propylene to start chaining together to make polypropylene. Variables in the secondary ingredients, temp, etc. make polypropylene with different characteristics (brittleness, melt flow temp, etc.) Extrude and chop into little beads for transport.

Do the same thing with ethane -> ethylene -> polyethylene.

Beads get put into various machines (generally extrusion based molding machines, but also can be spun into fiber for stuff like carpets) and made into a wide variety of end products. Add dye beads to get color. Thus we get plastic bottles, cups, deli containers, etc.

Oil-based economy since most of the propylene is a by-product of the oil refineries. But keep an eye on things since the Brazilians have "green" polyethylene based on sugar cane leavings already on the market in small quantitites and are working on getting polypropylene soon that way as well.

And I just wanted to say "gaping maw" in the previous post. ;)

The only part of that I understood was "poly" and that's because somewhere I learned it was either latin or greek for "many"

So "ene" as an ending means?

And what do you do to get ethyl (alone without an ending) alcohol?

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:30:30pm

re: #169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My end of all this is sitting here making sure people don't lock themselves out of the computer application we use to track production and shipping of product.

Little cog in the big machine.

And waiting for the Germans to get angry with Mr Burns...

George?

173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:31:18pm

re: #170 ProGunLiberal

His career over?

Nah. They haven't done the mash-up where they bring all his characters together in a single movie. Something like _Happy Gilmore Meets The Zohan_

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:31:44pm

Actually, I think I would have liked chemistry. Never took it in HS. I think it was a mistake.

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:32:16pm

re: #173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nah. They haven't done the mash-up where they bring all his characters together in a single movie. Something like _Happy Gilmore Meets The Zohan_

He has a solid following of adolescent boys and men. He'll be able to make money forever.

176 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:34:11pm

re: #170 ProGunLiberal

His career over?

Nah, but certainly looking like it's in a death spiral.

177 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:34:40pm

re: #174 ggt

It's messy.

And smelly.

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:35:56pm

NIght all!

I leave you with this.

179 Kronocide  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:35:59pm

2012 = Year of the Ultrasound

180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:37:37pm

re: #171 ggt

The only part of that I understood was "poly" and that's because somewhere I learned it was either latin or greek for "many"

So "ene" as an ending means?

And what do you do to get ethyl (alone without an ending) alcohol?

Poly is "many" essentially building chains of similar molecules. Lots of that stuff in nature, especially with sugar molecules.

-ane (Methane, Ethane, Propane) 1, 2, or 3 linked Carbon atoms with a full set of Hydrogen and single bonds between the Carbon atoms

-ene (Ethylene, Propylene) 2, 3 linked Carbon atoms with full set of Hydrogen and double bonds between the Carbon atoms

If you take off a hydrogen and put on an -OH hydroxyl group you get alcohols. So, Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol.

And further complexities from there. Especially once you get more Carbons involved. Around six they start to form ring structures and you start delving heavily into organic chemisty (which I was awful with.)

BTW, I'm a Comp-Sci geek, not a chemist. I just picked this stuff up from college and working for plastic/oil companies for 20 years.

181 freetoken  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:38:37pm

Speaking of science, I am increasingly dismayed with the direction the BBC is taking with their "science" documentaries. Of late they've been including rather poor explanations of the actual material, or even erroneously explaining phenomena. Sometimes it just false.

It's very sloppy, but the production values have been clearly to try and simplify and simplify. There's a problem there - at some point you've got to make demands of your audience and require them to think. Otherwise you might as well show them "reality" shows.

The BBC is sacrificing education for the sake of entertainment. I suppose they feel the need to do this, as they are increasingly competing with private networks now, and the UK gov't is looking for places to cut funding.

182 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:11pm

re: #164 ggt

I think you are hosed.

Dear Gravel!!! But there is a fresh hell beyond Xanadu!

Why hast thou forsaken me, oh GGT?!?!
/

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:43:17pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Heh, the Razzies came out today and Adam Sandler should be proud of himself, he swept the awards. He actually managed to outdo Lindsay Lohan's record.

Hey, now, I liked the newest Love Bug. (Ok, so my son really did love it.) I did have to laugh my ass off when I found out that Disney digitally manipulated the film to make her chest look smaller. Wasn't one of the first gen Mousecateers (sp? Spell check is no help here!) fired because she got too big up front?

OTOH, Sandler doesn't even have Lohan's level of talent, so I'm not too sure this is any surprise. Hell, Bananarama Milli Vanilli is more talented.

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:46:17pm

re: #180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Poly is "many" essentially building chains of similar molecules. Lots of that stuff in nature, especially with sugar molecules.

-ane (Methane, Ethane, Propane) 1, 2, or 3 linked Carbon atoms with a full set of Hydrogen and single bonds between the Carbon atoms

-ene (Ethylene, Propylene) 2, 3 linked Carbon atoms with full set of Hydrogen and double bonds between the Carbon atoms

If you take off a hydrogen and put on an -OH hydroxyl group you get alcohols. So, Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol.

And further complexities from there. Especially once you get more Carbons involved. Around six they start to form ring structures and you start delving heavily into organic chemisty (which I was awful with.)

BTW, I'm a Comp-Sci geek, not a chemist. I just picked this stuff up from college and working for plastic/oil companies for 20 years.

That's pretty much the first semester of organic chem, Better you than me ;) I'll stick to LISP and pretend I've never heard of benzene rings (thank you very much!) :D

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:46:19pm

re: #168 ggt

I once had a girlfriend who said "IT" alleviated her cramps.

Like I was gonna argue.

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:02pm

re: #174 ggt

Actually, I think I would have liked chemistry. Never took it in HS. I think it was a mistake.

I thought it was quite interesting in HS as well. So I started in college as a Chemical Engineer. And floundered quite badly facing organic chemistry, integral calculus, and thermodynamics (all hit at the same time.)

Organic chemistry is a complex mess compared to the simpler stuff in inorganic chemistry. One of the results of evolution settling for "good enough" solutions. And the fact that for most of the "rules" in inorganic chemistry there are one or two exceptions - and you get tested on knowing the exceptions.

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:47:47pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I once had a girlfriend who said "IT" alleviated her cramps.

Like I was gonna argue.

Tends to be true, if messy.


What?

188 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 10:53:47pm

re: #184 William Barnett-Lewis

That's pretty much the first semester of organic chem, Better you than me ;) I'll stick to LISP and pretend I've never heard of benzene rings (thank you very much!) :D

One of the first projects I worked on with a plastics firm was to help out a plant where they took organic acids (benzene ring plus a few hangers on), cooked them with organic acids (benzene ring plus a different hanger on) and got plasticizers (double benzene ring and various hangers on, or basically getting hangers on to cross and double on a single ring) plus some funky by-products.

Was basically goop used with other plastics to help keep them flexible. Essentially was what ultraviolet light/heat eventually broke down, at which point the plastic got brittle. (Example: car dashboards.)

All interesting stuff, until you look at the MSDS sheets and see how badly the stuff can mess you up if you're exposed to it in any quantity. (Well, benzene in about any quantity is bad for you.)

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:04:31pm

re: #174 ggt

Actually, I think I would have liked chemistry. Never took it in HS. I think it was a mistake.

High school chem (jr year) was a major nightmare for me. I had a "teacher" who had been in industry for some time and then, due to incompetence, decided to teach it instead. We fought. I asked to transfer. I was refused. I tuned out and rarely attended. Year end final came, I intentionally blew it. For the year I had grades of C, C, D, F, & F on the final. Overall F for the year. The next day after the final, we did a city wide test on to see how well the schools were doing. I decided to crack down.

I got the top score in the city.

Needless to say this caused a major uproar in the administration. It only got worse when the school board found out (gee, I wonder how _that_ happened... ;) ) After 4 years of trying I got to take college level courses on HS time in my senior year... didn't get the incompetent bastich fired, alas. He fucked up several more years of students before he retired.

190 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:14:49pm

Charles Johnson

Lets also not forgot how Rush Limbaugh treated Sandra Fluke and how so few on the right were willing to criticize him for it.

191 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:18:31pm

G'night all!

192 Kragar  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:18:54pm

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

High school chem (jr year) was a major nightmare for me. I had a "teacher" who had been in industry for some time and then, due to incompetence, decided to teach it instead. We fought. I asked to transfer. I was refused. I tuned out and rarely attended. Year end final came, I intentionally blew it. For the year I had grades of C, C, D, F, & F on the final. Overall F for the year. The next day after the final, we did a city wide test on to see how well the schools were doing. I decided to crack down.

I got the top score in the city.

Needless to say this caused a major uproar in the administration. It only got worse when the school board found out (gee, I wonder how _that_ happened... ;) ) After 4 years of trying I got to take college level courses on HS time in my senior year... didn't get the incompetent bastich fired, alas. He fucked up several more years of students before he retired.

Sounds like the asshole I got stuck with at the start of my junior year for Chemistry class. The guy had been around for years, you could tell he hated the kids and the jobs, gave me a D. I talked to the other chem teacher (who also taught college chemistry), got transferred to her class, got As and was in her college level class my senior year.

And shithead still was working there after she left because she got tired of playing the games.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 1, 2012 11:29:04pm

re: #192 Kragar

Sounds like the asshole I got stuck with at the start of my junior year for Chemistry class. The guy had been around for years, you could tell he hated the kids and the jobs, gave me a D. I talked to the other chem teacher (who also taught college chemistry), got transferred to her class, got As and was in her college level class my senior year.

And shithead still was working there after she left because she got tired of playing the games.

What is it about chem teachers?

Mine was the school letch. The girls complained that he gaped and made inappropriate comments. The boys complained that he never called on them in class, and inflated the girls' grades.

Let's just say that if I were flatter-chested I probably wouldn't have gotten that B.

Guy was a creep.

194 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:26:04am

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Dave Chessler was my HS Honors Chemistry Teacher, currently the head coach of the US under 18 Women's National Soccer Team, absolutely awesome guy.

195 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:27:24am

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

This looks to freaking absurd to miss...

Red Band Trailer for Seth MacFarlane's "Ted".

And somewhere out there, Abstinence Bear is sitting in a hot shower, hugging his knees and sobbing uncontrollably

I want to see Ted. It looks hilarious.

196 dragonath  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:38:53am

This post inspired me to do some googling about the rightward trajectory of the Republican party. I have to wonder... when did the rot well and truly set in? I found some interesting things.

Check out this crazy memo from the 50s, where the former Justice Rehnquist writes in favor of the court's verdict in Plessy vs. Ferguson.

“I realize it is an unpopular and unhumanitarian position, for which I have been excoriated by ‘liberal’ colleagues,” Mr. Rehnquist wrote, “but I think Plessy v. Ferguson was right and should be reaffirmed.”

And this was before the Southern Strategy!

The more I think about Nixon, the less I feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt compared to today's radicals. I mean, the guy was the first person to employ Pat freaking Buchanan and propelled people like this into positions of power.

197 RadicalModerate  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:13:20am

re: #163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! I think I'm in Xanadu...

Help me, GGT. You're my only hope.
/

Oh for the love of Pete, at least post the ONLY proper version.

Youtube Video
198 researchok  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:25:35am

Morning, all

199 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 2:56:38am

If my name was misspelled in the credits to a Boll/Lundgren movie, I'd probably be happy about it.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A Hollywood producer claims in court that his name was deliberately misspelled on credits to a Dolph Lundgren movie directed by German director Uwe Boll, and that the "insulting" error was repeated elsewhere.

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:02:43am

re: #199 Obdicut

This is the scariest part:

sequel to Boll's "In the Name of the King,"

Enough people watch Boll to justify sequels.

201 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:06:08am

re: #200 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I always wonder how deep the self-delusion is with guys like him. Does he hate his audiences? Doe she love 'em?

Man, I'd love to throw a party and invite all the half-assed fuckers, like Boll, Lundgren, Van Damme, Gallagher, Carrot Top, Andrew Dice Clay, Stephanie Meyer, and just see how seriously they took themselves.

I've got a feeling the answer would be 'very', but maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised.

202 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:37:14am

GOP and Democrats working together!

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

In a strange blow for bipartisanship, a federal jury on Thursday convicted the former Democratic Majority leader of the Yonkers City Council and the former head of the Yonkers Republican Party of public corruption crimes.

Sandy Annabi, the Democrat, and Zehy Jereis, the Republican, were convicted of conspiracy to make and accept bribes, extortion, and other charges, the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a statement announcing the verdicts.

Annabi, 41, faces up to 161 years in prison and Jereis, 40, both of Yonkers, of as much as 65 years, prosecutors said.

"Annabi and Jereis were convicted for participating in bribery schemes related to her position on the Yonkers City Council as well as the actions they took to conceal these schemes," prosecutors said in the statement. "Annabi was also convicted of making false statements to financial institutions related to loans she was seeking for two houses and an apartment in Yonkers, New York, and for filing false federal income tax returns. They were convicted on all counts after a seven-week trial before U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon."

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:39:33am

re: #201 Obdicut

I think the audience is irrelevant, he just likes making movies, and people keep giving him money to make them, you can be a terrible filmmaker and a pretty good salesman, and you'll go far

204 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:45:13am

re: #203 windupbird is in the gravity well

Heh. I also wonder if the guy who designs Hummel figurines is really into it, or secretly hates life.

205 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:50:38am

re: #181 freetoken

British TV in general has been going downhill over the 20-odd years I have been exposed to it. Used to be able to turn on the TV most any time and find something entertaining, challenging or fascinating.

last time I turned it on, there was a show which consisted of people sitting around and discussing what they had just seen on that day's "Big Brother" episode...

206 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:54:12am

re: #205 Expand Your Ground

They still have great comedies, though. That Mitchell and Webb Look is great, and QI is one of the best programs ever.

207 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:12:27am

or most anything with Steven Fry in it...

208 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:13:15am

re: #207 Expand Your Ground

I found Kingdom a little clunky, but the bits with Fry in it were excellent.

209 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:16:05am

re: #208 Obdicut

I found Kingdom a little clunky, but the bits with Fry in it were excellent.

Like fried bacon bits in a boring salad...

211 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:23:02am

re: #210 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Wow, he's still alive?

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:25:17am

re: #211 Obdicut

Wow, he's still alive?

He should do a bit on Fox News - and then go read the comments.

213 bluecheese  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:39:44am
Romney’s main advantage is among men 50 and older, swamping Obama 56%-38%.

next up, republicans call for resegregation of public schools.

214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:49:49am

re: #213 bluecheese

next up, republicans call for resegregation of public schools.

No, that's their compromise position after calling for their outright elimination first. That will gut the NEA and kill two birds with one stone.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:50:08am

An interesting case, was there the historical Jesús?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

216 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:52:33am

re: #215 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

An interesting case, was there the historical Jesús?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Well, Robin Hood sells flour (among other things) in the US.

217 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:54:11am

So much for wind turbines being good for society.

Victorian man crushed by wind turbine
Police say the man in his 20s suffered serious chest and pelvic injuries when he was caught by the turbine blade on a Macarthur wind farm this afternoon.

He has been flown to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:56:23am

re: #217 ozbloke

So much for wind turbines being good for society.

Victorian man crushed by wind turbine
Police say the man in his 20s suffered serious chest and pelvic injuries when he was caught by the turbine blade on a Macarthur wind farm this afternoon.

He has been flown to the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne.

Don Quixote's greatgreat....grandson?

219 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 4:58:46am

re: #218 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I'm sorry Sergey, that reference alludes me...
However, I probably should have added a sarc tag.

220 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:00:24am

Morning Lizardim. Beautiful but cold weekend here in the wild north country, but all of that will be irrelevant soon as we make the trek back to fish country for my son's first birthday party at my parents' homestead on the open prairie. I have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised to find this article this morning - it seems that the derp is, at last, starting to come around and bite the GOP in the ass. Good ol' boys club, indeed.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:00:32am

re: #219 ozbloke

[Link: xkcd.com...]

222 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:02:44am

Yesterday I posted about an AZ bill re:harassment. Here's the same thing in CT (hasn't passed or been signed yet). I wonder how many states have passed (or are trying to pass) this kind of crap:

In Which I Dare Connecticut To Come Get Me.
[Link: www.popehat.com...]

Dear Members of the Joint Committee on Judiciary of the General Assembly of the State of Connecticut:

My specific intent in writing this post is to annoy and alarm you.

I am posting this communication to you because of the traits and characteristics that I perceive in each of you, and which I firmly believe you possess. I specifically refer to your venality, your sub-normal intelligence, your poor hygiene, your regrettable oafishness, your indifference to your oath of office under your state's constitution .... and your civil, legal, and constitutional illiteracy. It's not clear to me whether these personal traits and characteristics are the result of poor upbringing, bad pruning on the sad Charlie-Brown-Christmas tree that is your genetic lineage, or the quality identified by philosophers and various Omen sequels as Pure Evil. At any rate, your traits and characteristics inspire me to write about you, and are the subject of my discussion, and I spit upon them like so, ptui.
.....
Why, you ask?

Well, it's because of Connecticut Senate Bill 456. As the Student Press Law Center reports, you — the members of the Connecticut Joint Committee on Judiciary — have referred Bill No. 456, which expands Connecticut's harassment laws in a stupendously ridiculous and unconstitutional way. How stupendous and unconstitutional? Well, so stupendous and unconstitutional that this blog post could be a crime in Connecticut if the rest of the droolers in your General Assembly approve this turd.

BTW, this post is a good example of why I love Popehat.

223 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:04:54am

re: #219 ozbloke

I'm sorry Sergey, that reference alludes me...
However, I probably should have added a sarc tag.

The cartoon is good. But still just alluding to this in any case.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

224 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:10:33am

Reading about [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Funny how 'paganism' always finds a way.

225 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:12:57am

re: #224 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

The belief in 'luck' was one of the biggest things that the Protestants considered pagan idolatry. Nearly everyone believes in it. Hard to get rid of.

226 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:20:40am

re: #222 RogueOne

I wonder how many states have passed (or are trying to pass) this kind of crap:
.....

Alabama:
SB356 (pdf) [Link: alisondb.legislature.state.al.us...]

Almost the exact same wording:

Section 6. (a) A person commits the crime of electronic harassment if, with intent to harass, annoy, or alarm any person, he or she transmits, posts, displays, or disseminates, by or through an electronic communication device, radio, computer, Internet, or other similar means, to any person, a communication, image, or information, which is based on the actual or perceived traits or characteristics of that person

227 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:25:12am

re: #226 RogueOne

Most things politicians say are alarming.

228 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:25:21am

re: #226 RogueOne

Gah. I understand the original intent of this twaddle, but they're totally doing it wrong.

229 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:31:20am

re: #227 Obdicut

re: #228 thedopefishlives

I found a site with a listing of all the states "cyberstalking" laws but I don't know how up to date it is..:

[Link: www.haltabuse.org...]

IN doesn't have a cyberbullying law but they do have a "harassment" law which makes it illegal to send someone an obscene message with intent to "harass, annoy, or alarm another person". (I'm starting to detect a pattern in the wording...)

230 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:36:57am

re: #229 RogueOne

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that cyberstalking/cyberbullying isn't an issue. However, too often politicians bring up and vote into law completely boneheaded knee-jerk bills that do nothing to solve the actual problem and instead create a whole host of new ones.

If it were up to me (and the legislature would probably thank God it isn't if they knew how I feel), I'd lock the entirety of the U.S. federal legislature in the Capitol building for a couple of years and tell them to completely rewrite the U.S. Code from scratch. The laws on the books are just getting needlessly complicated with every addition to them. And that's not even touching case law or state laws yet.

231 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:38:49am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

I wouldn't trust the current legislature with it. The GOP house would Somalia-ize most about everything.

232 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:43:38am

re: #231 Obdicut

I wouldn't trust the current legislature with it. The GOP house would Somalia-ize most about everything.

Point taken. But still, you get the principle. Now if only we could find a legislature that would actually do the job right.

233 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:45:02am

re: #232 thedopefishlives

To get the better legislature, we have to have better laws about campaign finance and corporate influence, and in order to do that we have to have a better legislature.

234 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:45:34am

re: #233 Obdicut

To get the better legislature, we have to have better laws about campaign finance and corporate influence, and in order to do that we have to have a better legislature.

Isn't this game so much fun?/

235 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:46:44am

re: #233 Obdicut

I would also add the possibility of needing term limits. There are upsides and downsides to having career politicians, but at the current moment, I'm leaning toward the downsides outweighing the upsides.

236 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:46:56am

Unfair? Yeah what do you know, people especially women don't like the idea of forcing ultrasounds on women and policies that coddle the wealthy.

237 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:47:16am

re: #226 RogueOne

Alabama:
SB356 (pdf) [Link: alisondb.legislature.state.al.us...]

Almost the exact same wording:

So I take it they have written themselves an exemption for their advertising.

The RNC just sent my dead FIL an 'assessment' for his lapsed 'dues'. The flyer was formatted and worded to mimic a real past-due bill. The wife used their mailer and paid-postage envelope to submit her opinion of the TPGOP. A lot of senior party loyalists might fall for it.

238 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:48:39am

re: #235 thedopefishlives

Term limits have their own problems. You go in, do your 8 years shilling for a specific corporate interest, and walk out to a high-paying job. It means there's less disincentive to really, really go corrupt.

239 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:49:29am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

The Federal law looks pretty similar to IN, it makes it illegal to send "obscene" material. It used to include the words "lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent.." but those were tossed thanks to the ACLU.

240 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:49:38am

re: #238 Obdicut

Term limits have their own problems. You go in, do your 8 years shilling for a specific corporate interest, and walk out to a high-paying job. It means there's less disincentive to really, really go corrupt.

Like I said, there's upsides and downsides. I just get sick of politicians that get so entrenched in the system that they lose touch with what their voters really want. But really, that's probably more of an electorate problem than anything else.

241 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:53:09am

re: #240 thedopefishlives

Like I said, there's upsides and downsides. I just get sick of politicians that get so entrenched in the system that they lose touch with what their voters really want. But really, that's probably more of an electorate problem than anything else.

Hence, the reason IN likes its legislature to only work part-time. "Citizen Legislatures". Not only do they have to spend most of their time in their home districts but they also have to have another job.

242 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:54:34am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that cyberstalking/cyberbullying isn't an issue. However, too often politicians bring up and vote into law completely boneheaded knee-jerk bills that do nothing to solve the actual problem and instead create a whole host of new ones.

If it were up to me (and the legislature would probably thank God it isn't if they knew how I feel), I'd lock the entirety of the U.S. federal legislature in the Capitol building for a couple of years and tell them to completely rewrite the U.S. Code from scratch. The laws on the books are just getting needlessly complicated with every addition to them. And that's not even touching case law or state laws yet.

Probably ends up highly similar to the various anti-hazing laws that are on the books. I read the Pennsylvania version back when I was doing fraternity volunteer work. It essentially boiled down to the judge deciding whether or not it was hazing - the definitions were nebulous enough that practically any group activity or educational requirement for membership could be construed as abusive.

It is at least partially reacting to a preceived need as put forward by an advocacy group. Problem is that the definitions in the law are often so wide they cover everything, or so narrow they cover nothing.

243 RogueOne  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:57:50am

re: #242 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Speaking of hazing:

Submarine’s top sailor axed amid hazing probe
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

The top enlisted sailor on a Kings Bay, Ga.-based guided missile submarine was fired Friday for “dereliction of duty” amid an investigation into hazing claims onboard the submarine, Submarine Group 10 said.

Master Chief Machinist’s Mate (SS) Charles Berry was relieved as chief of the boat of guided missile sub Florida’s Gold Crew by Capt. Stephen Gillespie, commander of Submarine Squadron 16, SUBGRU 10 said in a news release.

Career=Over

244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 5:58:07am

re: #240 thedopefishlives

Like I said, there's upsides and downsides. I just get sick of politicians that get so entrenched in the system that they lose touch with what their voters really want. But really, that's probably more of an electorate problem than anything else.

But you see that in most professions. People enmeshed in the game involved with keeping (and advancing) in the job rather than what the job is there to do. Earlier in this thread there was discussion about teachers who got into that form as well.

245 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:00:44am

re: #244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

But you see that in most professions. People enmeshed in the game involved with keeping (and advancing) in the job rather than what the job is there to do. Earlier in this thread there was discussion about teachers who got into that form as well.

True, but that doesn't make it right by any stretch. And when the job is essentially lording it over your fellow citizens and making the rules by which we live, I tend to think that it's a bigger deal.

246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:03:18am

re: #245 thedopefishlives

True, but that doesn't make it right by any stretch. And when the job is essentially lording it over your fellow citizens and making the rules by which we live, I tend to think that it's a bigger deal.

An important (and public) position, therefore they should be held to higher standards of conduct?

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

247 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:05:31am

re: #246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

An important (and public) position, therefore they should be held to higher standards of conduct?

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

Now if only we could apply these standards to our feline overlords, but alas, they make their own rules.

248 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:08:09am

re: #247 thedopefishlives

Now if only we could apply these standards to our feline overlords, but alas, they make their own rules.

True power follows no rules but those of nature.
;)

249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:13:42am

re: #247 thedopefishlives

Now if only we could apply these standards to our feline overlords, but alas, they make their own rules.

Only Feline Overlord encounter so far in Germany was walking along a sidewalk besides the train track in the town I am staying in. Cat came across the track to the sidewalk. Meowed, rubbed against a post and meowed again.

So I slowed, let him sniff my hand, gave him a few pets, and continued on my way. (I was walking with a few co-workers.)

So, he came out, got due attention, and went back across the track.

:)

250 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:16:31am

re: #249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Heh. Outdoor Cat got into a fight with gravity and lost the other day. She decided she wanted to lay down on the porch step and roll, and managed to roll right into thin air. Gravity, rude as it was, decided to pull her down to the ground. She was less than pleased.

251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:23:59am

re: #250 thedopefishlives

Heh. Outdoor Cat got into a fight with gravity and lost the other day. She decided she wanted to lay down on the porch step and roll, and managed to roll right into thin air. Gravity, rude as it was, decided to pull her down to the ground. She was less than pleased.

Less than pleased about being subject to gravity, or *seen* being subjected to it?

252 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:26:16am

re: #251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Less than pleased about being subject to gravity, or *seen* being subjected to it?

Probably a mixture of both, if I had to guess. Needless to say, after the incident, she disappeared from view for a while to nurse her wounded ego (and probably to beat gravity into submission again).

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:34:08am

re: #253 Gus

Screeech.

Keith Olbermann Complained To Current That Car Service Drivers ‘Smelled, Talked To Him’

Yeah, the war gonna be ugly. Now the silly anonymous rumors are in play.

256 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:34:26am

re: #253 Gus

Screeech.

Keith Olbermann Complained To Current That Car Service Drivers ‘Smelled, Talked To Him’

Morning Gus. So the Olberdouche's fade into irrelevancy is now complete. Idiot.

257 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:36:29am

re: #255 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yeah, the war gonna be ugly. Now the silly anonymous rumors are in play.

I tell ya. But this is at the very bottom of the Mediate front page. No one really cares anymore. As for Current they sure have a large "Alex Jones community" over there. Al Gore knows about that and doesn't give a crap.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:38:06am

re: #257 Gus

Yep. Given how the network doesn't bother to clean up its site, not much credibility there. But there will be people who will swallow it whole.

259 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:38:38am

re: #258 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yep. Given how the network doesn't bother to clean up its site, not much credibility there. But there will be people who will swallow it whole.

Niche marketing.

261 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:39:52am

re: #255 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

A friend of mine PAed for Ed Norton for awhile. He said that not only is Norton a genuinely nice guy, but that he advises all the other 'talent' that he meets that, even if they feel like acting like entitled pricks, they should be nice to everyone they meet and work with because when some shit hits the fan you want the papers full of stories about what a stand-up guy you are, and to save being an asshole for the producers and directors.

Such a crazy world it must be in there.

262 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:40:20am

I have to continue cleaning my kitchen for Passover today. This week is the re-enactment of Egyptian slavery, so that when we sit down to the seder on Passover we know what it's like to work like slaves!

Except that slaves don't have to spend hundreds of dollars on special food, wine, matzos, and the like.

263 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:40:33am

re: #260 Interesting Times

Idiot who blamed female veterans for their own sexual assaults sez wut?

Yep. That's her. So Fox News still invited her back. There's another bunch of goons. They know their audience well though. Crazy old bigots -- likely white males over 50.

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:41:39am

re: #259 Gus

Yeah, a site run completely unchecked by random members is a disaster:

[Link: current.com...]

265 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:42:11am

re: #264 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yeah, a site run completely unchecked by random members is a disaster:

[Link: current.com...]

OMG

266 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:43:45am

Whackadoodle!

America and Europe’s controlled press explodes with anti-Russian propaganda. Russia is portrayed as a vicious aggressor in Georgia, as antidemocratic at home, and even as a vicious denier of human rights for simply daring to prosecute and imprison murderous criminal oligarchs such as Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky and Berezovsky.more here..

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:44:26am

re: #265 Gus

OMG

Heh.

268 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:44:42am

re: #264 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Holy crap, what a fucking mess. That's so incompetent.

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:45:37am

re: #267 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Ooops, should rather be this.

270 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:46:11am

re: #267 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Heh.

Exactly. So add David Duke into the mix. If we're going to hammer at Breitbart and Fox News for their racism then Current should get hammered for this crap. Dumb fecks. I Tweeted Gore about the Jones garbage -- me along with a few others -- but that was all ignored. Seems to be a trend with everyone these days.

271 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:47:53am

re: #268 Obdicut

Holy crap, what a fucking mess. That's so incompetent.

Another.

272 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:48:42am

But, but... Olbermann's driver smelled! Cluster fuck.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:48:50am

re: #270 Gus

Heh, a potential suggestion off the top of my head - when you see Olbermann "alive" on twitter, throw him the above search link. He could use it just to spite CTV, and it may lead to good results.

274 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:49:20am

re: #273 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Heh, a potential suggestion off the top of my head - when you see Olbermann "alive" on twitter, throw him the above search link. He could use it just to spite CTV, and it may lead to good results.

Good idea.

275 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:49:54am

Bwahahahaha!

//

276 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:50:01am

re: #268 Obdicut

Holy crap, what a fucking mess. That's so incompetent.

I wish people would realize that an unmoderated, free-for-all website is the equivalent of letting howler monkeys run rampant within your home or place of business and leave piles of festering poop on the floor for all to see.

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:50:08am

*evil*

278 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:50:34am

re: #262 Learned Mother of Zion

We're in the process of doing the same, and it's no fun at all. At least we're getting a spring cleaning out of it.

279 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:50:46am

brb

280 JRCMYP  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:51:08am

Let's hear it for the women. Yay us!

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:51:40am

re: #279 Gus

Or even make a page and link to it ;)

282 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:55:57am

re: #281 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Or even make a page and link to it ;)

I'll think about it. Right now I'm processing my coffee.

What the heck was Olbermann doing with a "driver" anyway? Doesn't seem like a good example to set. What kind of car was it some big old Ford Crown Victoria? You see what I'm driving at here. Current should be and act like a "green company". These "lifestyles" don't seem to fit the idealism.

283 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:56:05am

re: #266 Gus

Whackadoodle!

Remember, a lot of people in the world do not understand the concept of a free press: They assume that anything that appears in the media must be approved or even dictated by the governmnet.

And a lot of cynical bastards use that, recent examples being the Danish Mohammad cartoons or the Koran-burning idiots in the USA. They know that uneducated persons assume that thiese activities must have government approval or support in order to be printed about.

284 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:56:16am

re: #276 Interesting Times

I wish people would realize that an unmoderated, free-for-all website is the equivalent of allowing howler monkeys to run rampant within your home or place of business and leave piles of festering poop on the floor for all to see.

Sometimes that's what people want. Scary thought, that.

285 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 6:59:06am

re: #282 Gus

The article says he doesn't drive. Dunno, maybe he has some condition or something. Anyway, I don't accept the conveniently petty driver story coming out in such a context.

286 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:00:25am

re: #285 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

The article says he doesn't drive. Dunno, maybe he has some condition or something. Anyway, I don't accept the conveniently petty driver story coming out in such a context.

Yeah. No biggie. Maybe the driver did stink at one time. Who knows.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:00:47am

re: #286 Gus

LOLLL.

288 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:01:23am

re: #287 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

LOLLL.

It can happen!

"Dude! You smell like poop!"

//

289 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:02:12am

re: #282 Gus

I'll think about it. Right now I'm processing my coffee.

What the heck was Olbermann doing with a "driver" anyway? Doesn't seem like a good example to set. What kind of car was it some big old Ford Crown Victoria? You see what I'm driving at here. Current should be and act like a "green company". These "lifestyles" don't seem to fit the idealism.

Basically, a security issue. I wouldn't be running around loose with Olberman's public persona.

OTOH, Olberman is an expert at projecting 'obnoxious', and I don't want him for my flagbearer.

290 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:08:56am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Basically, a security issue. I wouldn't be running around loose with Olberman's public persona.

OTOH, Olberman is an expert at projecting 'obnoxious', and I don't want him for my flagbearer.

I never got into the leader thing much. Maybe I'm a closet anarchist who knows. But it's true that people like Olbermann get pegged as "flagbearers" and such. That's probably unavoidable. I wouldn't consider him a radical by any means. He has his own style that seems to have a strong following. Myself if I'm going to listen to something in the same vein I'll stick with Rachel Maddow.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:09:50am

More extremism at ctv's site:

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

and

[Link: www.google.com...] ;)

292 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:12:34am

re: #291 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

More extremism at ctv's site:

[Link: www.google.com...]

[Link: www.google.com...]

and

[Link: www.google.com...] ;)

Weird. You ever notice some of the cross ideological forms of nepotism here? Like Cenk Uygur interviewing Joel Pollak? Or over at CNN Piers Morgan sending kisses to Dana Loesch.

293 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:13:11am

re: #292 Gus

Didn't Uygur used to be a hyper-righty?

294 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:13:17am

Make that cronyism.

295 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:13:52am

re: #293 Obdicut

Didn't Uygur used to be a hyper-righty?

I think so. Not sure to what extreme.

296 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:16:07am

re: #278 lawhawk

We're in the process of doing the same, and it's no fun at all. At least we're getting a spring cleaning out of it.

I am having a cleaning crew come in tomorrow for the heavy lifting (cleaning the fridge, scrubbing down every surface) but I still have to put away all the pots, pans and dishes that I will not be using for a week.

Although, it really hasn't been that bad since I had my kitchen remodeled in 2005. I keep all the Pesach stuff in a cabinet at the back of the kitchen, which is taped shut the rest of the year. We just remove the tape and use the dishes right out of that cabinet, and tape up the other cabinets.

Still, everything has to be taken out and all the cabinets wiped down.

You can tell that I'm procrastinating!

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:16:20am

re: #293 Obdicut

Markos used to be a Republican. But then, LGF used to be a conservative site.

298 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:17:12am

John Cole. Sully (altho this one is quirky.)

299 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:18:28am

re: #298 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

John Cole. Sully (altho this one is quirky.)

Sully will still claim to be a conservative sometimes. He's rather atypical no matter how you look at him.

Glenn Greenwald could be added to that list.

300 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:20:09am

re: #299 Gus

Was GG a hardcore right?

301 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:20:43am

re: #297 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Yeah, I'm not implying everyone who switches is somehow untrustable, but that if someone likes being a bomb-throwing agitator, that may help them 'convert' if they see an opportunity to do that from another position. Hell, they might even totally convince themselves. But people who like attention, well, you can't escape that they really do like attention, and you've gotta factor that in.

302 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:20:51am

re: #300 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Was GG a hardcore right?

Probably not. Maybe another war monger like I was? :)

303 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:21:11am

re: #302 Gus

Probably not. Maybe another war monger like I was? :)

WAR!

304 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:22:17am

re: #290 Gus

I never got into the leader thing much. Maybe I'm a closet anarchist who knows. But it's true that people like Olbermann get pegged as "flagbearers" and such. That's probably unavoidable. I wouldn't consider him a radical by any means. He has his own style that seems to have a strong following. Myself if I'm going to listen to something in the same vein I'll stick with Rachel Maddow.

I use 'flagbearer' not as a leader, but as the public face (and target). Think brave, expendable, Civil War corporal. Olberman turns off the uncommitted, and that's the battleground electorate.

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:22:42am

re: #291 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

More extremism at ctv's site:

Weird stuff. I forget just how off the wall some of these sites are.

306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:24:03am

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Stewart + Colbert + Maddow, right?

307 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:25:24am

re: #306 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Stewart + Colbert + Maddow, right?

Yup. And Elizabeth Warren for the nice-hungry.

308 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:26:01am

re: #303 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

WAR!

Sort of. By 2003 I was already not paying too much attention. I figured it was all out of my control anyway. 2004 came around and I thought it would be fatal to just cut and run from Iraq and would lead to further bloodshed internally. That sort of thing. I remember seeing Colin Powell early on at the UN explaining the WMDs and thinking "this is a bunch of bullshit." So I was still rather cynical about the whole thing. As for being fully on board with the right? That never happened.

309 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:26:13am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

Oh yeah.

310 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:27:19am

Onoz, I'm short on space! ///

311 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:27:50am

re: #310 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Onoz, I'm short on space! ///

Going through a singularity again?

312 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:28:01am

O_o at some of the pages and comments I'm seeing there.

313 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:28:33am

re: #312 Gus

O_o at some of the pages and comments I'm seeing there.

This is why I don't hang out at the cesspools like some of you braver Lizards. I would wind up throwing things at the screen and generally breaking stuff.

314 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:28:43am

re: #311 Decatur Deb

Wingularity.

315 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:29:56am

re: #313 thedopefishlives

This is why I don't hang out at the cesspools like some of you braver Lizards. I would wind up throwing things at the screen and generally breaking stuff.

I should have said here. That being said I didn't mean to say on the level of cesspools. Just questionable stuff.

316 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:30:46am

re: #308 Gus

Sort of. By 2003 I was already not paying too much attention. I figured it was all out of my control anyway. 2004 came around and I thought it would be fatal to just cut and run from Iraq and would lead to further bloodshed internally. That sort of thing. I remember seeing Colin Powell early on at the UN explaining the WMDs and thinking "this is a bunch of bullshit." So I was still rather cynical about the whole thing. As for being fully on board with the right? That never happened.

I liked Ike. And he was the last Republican I liked except Millicient Fenwick.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

317 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:32:11am

re: #315 Gus

Yeesh. What a creep.

318 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:32:37am

re: #317 Obdicut

Yeesh. What a creep.

Yeah. I thought I was reading Robert Spencer lite their for a moment.

319 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:34:01am

re: #318 Gus

I wonder if people like that feel that the US acted like tyrants at least up until 1960, and we were all a bunch of assholes until we got civil rights for minorities and women actually (somewhat) functionally in place. That'd be the logic of his derp. So the only thing saving the US from the same state as those evil Muslims was a bunch of hippies and liberals.

320 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:35:54am

re: #319 Obdicut

NONONONONONO.

The US was always a fully democratic state with full rights for women and minorities.

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

321 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:36:59am

re: #315 Gus

I should have said here. That being said I didn't mean to say on the level of cesspools. Just questionable stuff.

Whoa. Um.

322 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:37:55am

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[snip]

Organic chemistry is a complex mess compared to the simpler stuff in inorganic chemistry. One of the results of evolution settling for "good enough" solutions. And the fact that for most of the "rules" in inorganic chemistry there are one or two exceptions - and you get tested on knowing the exceptions.

I was watching a science show a couple weeks ago and one of the professors that was being interviewed made a statement like yours above that I though was good. He was explaining why evolution seems to take a leap and then is stagnant for awhile. He said that evolution doesn't produce the 'Best' solution, it is just that the 'better' solutions take over after time.

323 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:39:04am

re: #321 thedopefishlives

Whoa. Um.

Yeah. Another self-declared expert on Islam. How he got there from the topic of the page is typical though. That's a rather broad-brush he's carrying.

324 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:39:26am

re: #313 thedopefishlives

This is why I don't hang out at the cesspools like some of you braver Lizards. I would wind up throwing things at the screen and generally breaking stuff.

I used to be a FReeper. Left the Fever Swamp shortly after the 2008 election and never went back.

325 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:42:14am

re: #323 Gus

Yeah. Another self-declared expert on Islam. How he got there from the topic of the page is typical though. That's a rather broad-brush he's carrying.

I don't know why such guys bite off more than what they legitimately can. There's enough stuff about specific conservative branches of Islam that can explored. No, they have to make pronouncements about Islam as a whole.

326 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:42:18am

re: #324 Learned Mother of Zion

I used to be a FReeper. Left the Fever Swamp shortly after the 2008 election and never went back.

I read Freep through the 2008 election, and I've gone back for this one. They haven't improved.

327 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:43:56am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

I read Freep through the 2008 election, and I've gone back for this one. They haven't improved.

Occasionally I will get an email from some FReeper asking why did I leave and go over to the "dark" side.

Then they take a steaming dump on my blog and I have to block their ass.

328 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:39am

re: #327 Learned Mother of Zion

Occasionally I will get an email from some FReeper asking why did I leave and go over to the "dark" side.

Then they take a steaming dump on my blog and I have to block their ass.

Jilted lovers.

329 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:49am

re: #325 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I don't know why such guys bite off more than what they legitimately can. There's enough stuff about specific conservative branches of Islam that can explored. No, they have to make pronouncements about Islam as a whole.

There's still a bit of a knee-jerk reaction type desire to demonize Islam because, well, 19 Islamic terrorists did murder 3000+ of our people one sunny fall day about 10 years ago. Many of us do understand the complexities and resist the temptation to just label them all "a bunch of [bigoted word] terrorists", but not all.

330 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:53am

I'm no Buck, I think specific religions can be and should be criticized and taken apart. As long as it is done in a logical manner. And overgeneralization is illogical.

331 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:44:59am

re: #325 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

It allows them to pretend the Islam is different from other religions. A lot of people here used to argue that, too. I think it's a defense mechanism from the personally religious, quite often. In a lot of ways, fundie Islam is a mirror showing a darkling future that could happen to any religion.

332 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:46:01am

re: #329 thedopefishlives

Whoa. Charles inserted a word filter. That's the coolest thing ever.

333 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:46:33am

re: #332 thedopefishlives

Whoa. Charles inserted a word filter. That's the coolest thing ever.

Was that the "bigoted word"?

334 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:46:36am

re: #331 Obdicut

I think fundie Islam is also a past of many other religions.

335 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:47:03am

re: #333 Gus

Was that the "bigoted word"?

Yeah, that was the "bigoted word". Even though I was in sarcasm mode, I still feel kinda funny.

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:47:52am

This RoadWarrior complains about Maimonides having to flee. But why would Maimonides be in the Muslim states in the first place? Could it have to do with Christian states' persecution of Jews?

337 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:49:05am

re: #336 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

This RoadWarrior complains about Maimonides having to flee. But why would Maimonides be in the Muslim states in the first place? Could it have to do with Christian states' persecution of Jews?

But Christians don't hate Jews. Christians can't hate Jews. No True Scotsman! DERP!

338 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:49:08am

re: #329 thedopefishlives

There's still a bit of a knee-jerk reaction type desire to demonize Islam because, well, 19 Islamic terrorists did murder 3000+ of our people one sunny fall day about 10 years ago. Many of us do understand the complexities and resist the temptation to just label them all "a bunch of [bigoted word] terrorists", but not all.

I had some spare holiday time in the college library stacks, so I read the periodical collections for the months following Pearl Harbor. The flash of anti-Japanese hatred was strong, but it's left little trace. We're on the same post-9/11 path.

339 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:49:21am

re: #334 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I think fundie Islam is also a past of many other religions.

I guess you could put it that way-- the way various religions dealt with the Enlightenment.

340 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:52:06am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

I had some spare holiday time in the college library stacks, so I read the periodical collections for the months following Pearl Harbor. The flash of anti-Japanese hatred was strong, but it's left little trace. We're on the same post-9/11 path.

One would like to hope. I think another part of the reason why Islam is targeted with a broad brush is a continuation of the Crusades mindset which many hard-right Christian thinkers espouse. Whether one prescribes to that belief or not, it's bandied about a lot and it tends to color the thinking of Americans who don't make a conscious effort to know better.

341 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:52:12am

Desperate, still reaching, reaching:

ABC News claims "enhanced video" shows "injuries" on zimmerman's head. Still no blood, though.

342 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:54:15am

Off for the eye doc. BBL

343 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:54:20am

re: #341 Learned Mother of Zion

#$%#$^^#$%#$^#$^@#$%!#@$#!@ Yahoo.

First they show me 30 sec ad.
Then they tell me video is unavailable in my location.

344 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:55:52am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

I had some spare holiday time in the college library stacks, so I read the periodical collections for the months following Pearl Harbor. The flash of anti-Japanese hatred was strong, but it's left little trace. We're on the same post-9/11 path.

I find that Dr Seuss cartoon of "honorable 5th column" quite disturbing in that regard. Just not the sort of thing my mind normally associates with his work.

345 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:57:24am

re: #336 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

This RoadWarrior complains about Maimonides having to flee. But why would Maimonides be in the Muslim states in the first place? Could it have to do with Christian states' persecution of Jews?

Maimonides was invited to become the personal physician to the King of England and yet turned down the invitation and chose to remain in a Muslim-controlled land.

346 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:58:15am

I admit, I get very twitchy whenever a media outlet presents some "enhanced" video or audio, or an opinion of some forensic expert or another. Forensics is a mix of some science and unscientific custom, a lot of it unproven. Then, lots of people forget or don't know about the GIGO principle, they think - oh, it was enhanced with the use of the computer by those smart guys, must be true.

347 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:58:34am

re: #334 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I think fundie Islam is also a past of many other religions.

It's funny how the Republicans keep driving some idea that everything we do and have done in the past is based on Judeo-Christian principles. The reality of course is that it's mainly Christian ideas. However, they never want to acknowledge any religious components --in theory -- to our foreign policy. IOW, when a Muslim acts it become a political act of Islam. However, when the USA acts, the religious or Christian components are largely ignored by Americans. If not ignored they're downplayed. But they are there and as many have observed it's become a bit of a "holy war" for many.

348 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 7:59:55am

Of course. We never have to question our acts or policy because we're never wrong. A perplexing conundrum.

//

349 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:00:00am

re: #346 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

For me, my hot-button issue is statistical misrepresentation and "A new study confirms/disproves..." One new study, in and of itself, does absolutely nothing. And even if the study is rigorous, the headline often grossly misrepresents the actual conclusions drawn, in the name of sensationalism. I usually have a good laugh with my wife when we talk about what the study must've REALLY said.

350 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:00:27am

re: #347 Gus

It's funny how the Republicans keep driving some idea that everything we do and have done in the past is based on Judeo-Christian principles. The reality of course is that it's mainly Christian ideas. However, they never want to acknowledge any religious components --in theory -- to our foreign policy. IOW, when a Muslim acts it become a political act of Islam. However, when the USA acts, the religious or Christian components are largely ignored by American. If not ignored they're downplayed. But they are there and as many have observed it's become a bit of a "holy war" for many.

They want to be able to sell it whatever way they feel is politically advantageous to do so at the time. And mix the message in different ratios depending on the current audience.

Politics as usual.

351 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:03:31am

re: #349 thedopefishlives

[Link: abstrusegoose.com...]

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:04:09am

re: #181 freetoken

Speaking of science, I am increasingly dismayed with the direction the BBC is taking with their "science" documentaries. Of late they've been including rather poor explanations of the actual material, or even erroneously explaining phenomena. Sometimes it just false.

It's very sloppy, but the production values have been clearly to try and simplify and simplify. There's a problem there - at some point you've got to make demands of your audience and require them to think. Otherwise you might as well show them "reality" shows.

The BBC is sacrificing education for the sake of entertainment. I suppose they feel the need to do this, as they are increasingly competing with private networks now, and the UK gov't is looking for places to cut funding.

I've noticed all TV is bad, really bad, these days. With the advent of the Internet and other electronic entertainment, I think TV producers are pandering to a new "lowest common demoninator."

353 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:06:40am

re: #346 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Going back to your original point, though, I laughed out loud watching the new Mythbusters episode last night. Grant, Kari, and Tory were testing a Hollywood movie myth, and at the end of it, they said, "The movie studios should call us before putting stuff in their movies." Honestly, that's a bloody great idea. It would dispel a lot of this "Computers and technology can do anything and everything" crap that the common layman believes in.

354 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:08:07am

re: #353 thedopefishlives

Going back to your original point, though, I laughed out loud watching the new Mythbusters episode last night. Grant, Kari, and Tory were testing a Hollywood movie myth, and at the end of it, they said, "The movie studios should call us before putting stuff in their movies." Honestly, that's a bloody great idea. It would dispel a lot of this "Computers and technology can do anything and everything" crap that the common layman believes in.

Why does Hollywood continue to add sound effects to every keyboard function on a computer prop? You hit "enter" and you'll always hear "batyoo."

355 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:08:34am

re: #353 thedopefishlives

Youtube Video
356 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:09:05am

re: #354 Gus

Why does Hollywood continue to add sound effects to every keyboard function on a computer prop? You hit "enter" and you'll always hear "batyoo."

I giggle when they do the "Zoom in and enhance a photo/video feed" bit. Image enhancement DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, people.

357 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:10:10am

re: #356 thedopefishlives

I giggle when they do the "Zoom in and enhance a photo/video feed" bit. Image enhancement DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, people.

Zooming in!

Youtube Video
358 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:10:34am

re: #330 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Bingo! And I do this.

re: #336 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

And again, Road Warrior has his head up his ass.

359 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:13:55am

re: #355 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

[Embedded content]

Zoom in and enhance that!

Roger that!

[Booweeep. Tweep. Boop. Beep. Twoweep. Doop. Deep. Beep. Bonk. Woosh.]

360 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:14:01am

Good morning lizards!

I plowed the garden , ran the disc, and tilled part of it.

Let the veggies begin growing!

361 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:14:52am

re: #343 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

#$%#$^^#$%#$^#$^@#$%!#@$#!@ Yahoo.

First they show me 30 sec ad.
Then they tell me video is unavailable in my location.

It would have been, if you had purchased whatever the ad was for!!!!

//

362 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:15:30am

re: #359 Gus

Zoom in and enhance that!

Roger that!

[Booweeep. Tweep. Boop. Beep. Twoweep. Doop. Deep. Beep. Bonk. Woosh.]

AAAAGH! STOP! I'll tell you whatever you want to know!

363 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:16:07am

re: #359 Gus

Zoom in and enhance that!

Roger that!

[Booweeep. Tweep. Boop. Beep. Twoweep. Doop. Deep. Beep. Bonk. Woosh.]

I blame Star Trek

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:16:31am

Morning all!

How goes it?

365 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:16:40am

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I plowed the garden , ran the disc, and tilled part of it.

Let the veggies begin growing!

That's a nice chunk of land. I'm jealous.

366 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:17:46am

re: #363 sattv4u2

I blame Star Trek

Damn IBM card reader.

Youtube Video
367 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:17:50am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

That's a nice chunk of land. I'm jealous.

You could invade!

368 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:19:04am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

That's a nice chunk of land. I'm jealous.

Thanks. My old 1976 Sears Suburban SS/18 keeps the garden ready every spring. It still runs like new.

369 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:19:34am

re: #346 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I admit, I get very twitchy whenever a media outlet presents some "enhanced" video or audio, or an opinion of some forensic expert or another. Forensics is a mix of some science and unscientific custom, a lot of it unproven. Then, lots of people forget or don't know about the GIGO principle, they think - oh, it was enhanced with the use of the computer by those smart guys, must be true.

Cause they watch TV and they see the geeky but genius character (usually the girl who dresses funny) load the low-res photo into Photoshop or some "magic" program and with one keystroke a fuzzy photo immediately becomes sharp and clear!

The Photoshop "sharpen" tool totally does not do that.

370 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:20:13am

Or this.

Youtube Video
371 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:22:09am

Seemed like they all used the same ricochet sound effect for years. That an the hawk screech like the one they used on Northern Exposure.

372 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:22:13am

re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion

Cause they watch TV and they see the geeky but genius character (usually the girl who dresses funny) load the low-res photo into Photoshop or some "magic" program and with one keystroke a fuzzy photo immediately becomes sharp and clear!

The Photoshop "sharpen" tool totally does not do that.

Anyone who's spent more than 5 minutes in image processing knows this. However, that's a fairly small segment of the population. Even casual fauxtoshoppers probably don't even realize it.

373 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:24:10am

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks. My old 1976 Sears Suburban SS/18 keeps the garden ready every spring. It still runs like new.

I have a long parking strip (10 x 140 feet) and I turn it over by hand every year and every year I promise myself I'm not going to do it again.
I'm almost done this year. I could finish today since we have a brief break in the weather but I'm not sure my back is up to it today.

374 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:24:24am

re: #354 Gus

Why does Hollywood continue to add sound effects to every keyboard function on a computer prop? You hit "enter" and you'll always hear "batyoo."

Because that's how the infinite resolution zoom effect works.
//

375 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:24:43am

re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion

Do you think the enhanced video shows anything?

376 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:25:34am

re: #354 Gus

Why does Hollywood continue to add sound effects to every keyboard function on a computer prop? You hit "enter" and you'll always hear "batyoo."

8 Scenes That Prove Hollywood Knows Nothing About Computers.

NCIS: The hot goth chick starts hammering away at her keyboard as dozens of windows erupt on her screen, looking like she's trying to close all of the porn popups before her mom walks in and catches her.

Another agent enters the lab, and something so stupid happens that I can't even understand how the actors didn't put a stop to it in mid-shoot: Both people start feverishly typing on the same keyboard.

377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:26:40am

re: #371 Gus

Seemed like they all used the same ricochet sound effect for years. That an the hawk screech like the one they used on Northern Exposure.

Probably from a 40-50 year old library of standard sound effects. Sort of like the laugh track.

All hawks/eagles sound the same. All trees have the same birds. All jungles have the same monkeys.
/

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:26:50am

wow
bomb in pp clinic

379 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:27:11am

re: #376 Learned Mother of Zion

Probably one of my favorite articles on Cracked. The professionally trained geek in me dies a little bit every time something stupid like that happens. My wife has gotten conditioned to my screams of, "IT ISN'T LIKE THAT!!!"

381 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:28:38am

re: #376 Learned Mother of Zion

8 Scenes That Prove Hollywood Knows Nothing About Computers.

Yeah. And to this day everyone is still using a spring loaded keyboard. Someone will start typing away on their iPad and it'll sound like an old IBM keyboard.

382 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:28:44am

re: #379 thedopefishlives

Probably one of my favorite articles on Cracked. The professionally trained geek in me dies a little bit every time something stupid like that happens. My wife has gotten conditioned to my screams of, "IT ISN'T LIKE THAT!!!"

Teh Stupid on NCIS, it burns!

383 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:28:53am

re: #379 thedopefishlives

Probably one of my favorite articles on Cracked. The professionally trained geek in me dies a little bit every time something stupid like that happens. My wife has gotten conditioned to my screams of, "IT ISN'T LIKE THAT!!!"

Well, just ask yourself what sort of people become screenwriters. And then realize that the egotistical and at least partially sucessful ones (or managers thereof) decide whether or not to believe what their technical consultant tells them - assuming they've hired one.

384 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:29:05am

re: #378 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

WHAT?!?!

Where?

385 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:29:13am

re: #378 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Where?

386 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:29:42am

re: #385 Obdicut

Where?

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

387 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:31:13am

re: #297 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Markos used to be a Republican. But then, LGF used to be a conservative site.

I think that's the part that freaks people out the most. Markos is not only a military veteran, but he used to be a Republican. A lot of conservatives seem to have trouble reconciling that. It's like they expect people to never change their mind, especially the guy who now runs the Great Orange Satan.

re: #298 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

John Cole.

John Cole is an interesting case. What set Cole off was the Terri Schiavo fiasco. As it unfolded, you could see him becoming more and more disillusioned with the GOP. In fact, I think you can still go back and read his posts from the time.

I read Cole all the way through the 2008 election and he was awesome. He cut through the PUMA shit and excesses of the hard left just as much as he eviscerated the right. I'm still a fan.

388 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:31:49am

re: #386 Gus

Gee, looks like when you call people baby-murderers and say that they're destroying America, bad things can sometimes result. Whodathunk it?

389 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:32:25am

re: #386 Gus

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Wisconsin, go figure. They're a special brand of crazy over there.

/Obligatory

390 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:32:44am

I will soon find out what kind of computer equipment they have at those super-seekrit government offices when I start my new job next week. Even though a req was put in for my system, they recommended "bring something to read!"

The other geeks in the IT cave have flat screens, some even have dual screens.

391 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:33:42am

re: #390 Learned Mother of Zion

I will soon find out what kind of computer equipment they have at those super-seekrit government offices when I start my new job next week. Even though a req was put in for my system, they recommended "bring something to read!"

The other geeks in the IT cave have flat screens, some even have dual screens.

Probably a beige Packard-Bell with a huge CRT screen.

//

392 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:36:01am
393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:36:29am

re: #386 Gus

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

domestic terrorism is scary.

394 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:37:13am

re: #392 Gus

I don't think it's a good idea to provoke.

395 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:37:43am

re: #392 Gus

Another example of

correlation does not mean causation?

396 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:38:06am

re: #329 thedopefishlives

There's still a bit of a knee-jerk reaction type desire to demonize Islam because, well, 19 Islamic terrorists did murder 3000+ of our people one sunny fall day about 10 years ago. Many of us do understand the complexities and resist the temptation to just label them all "a bunch of [bigoted word] terrorists", but not all.

I don't know why it's complex for some people. I'm a 5th generation American who happened to convert to Islam. I'm am one of the millions of Americans who watched 19 terrorists murder 3000 of "our people" OUR people. Yours. Mine. Gus', Obdicut's. Alouette's.

I'm not "them". Neither were the innocent Muslims who died in the attacks. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a criminal. I don't hate anyone or wish anyone harm. Had I not been laid off from my job the previous February, I would've been passing through the WTC on my way to work from Jersey when one of "them" flew the first plane into the North Tower.

Unfortunately, we (American Muslims) weren't allowed to grieve with the rest of the nation because we were somehow suspect. OTHER. THEM. It's stupid. Idiotic. I still resent that and it still pisses me off when I think about it.

It's not that complex, America.

397 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:02am

re: #394 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I don't think it's a good idea to provoke.

I'm sure it was just a photo-op. I also doubt the locals would even know or care about such a specific internal thing.

398 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:10am

re: #396 CuriousLurker

I don't know why it's complex for some people. I'm a 5th generation American who happened to convert to Islam. I'm am one of the millions of Americans who watched 19 terrorists murder 3000 of "our people" OUR people. Yours. Mine. Gus', Obdicut's. Alouette's.

I'm not "them". Neither were the innocent Muslims who died in the attacks. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a criminal. I don't hate anyone or wish anyone harm. Had I not been laid off from my job the previous February, I would've been passing through the WTC on my way to work from Jersey when one of "them" flew the first plane into the North Tower.

Unfortunately, we (American Muslims) weren't allowed to grieve with the rest of the nation because we were somehow suspect. OTHER. THEM. It's stupid. Idiotic. I still resent that and it still pisses me off when I think about it.

It's not that complex, America.

Because Muslim seemed to be new, different, and scary at the time.

People who live under a rock never look at what and who is around them.

399 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:12am

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:19am

re: #394 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I don't think it's a good idea to provoke.

Not in general, but in specific circumstances.

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:39:28am

re: #396 CuriousLurker

I don't know why it's complex for some people. I'm a 5th generation American who happened to convert to Islam. I'm am one of the millions of Americans who watched 19 terrorists murder 3000 of "our people" OUR people. Yours. Mine. Gus', Obdicut's. Alouette's.

I'm not "them". Neither were the innocent Muslims who died in the attacks. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a criminal. I don't hate anyone or wish anyone harm. Had I not been laid off from my job the previous February, I would've been passing through the WTC on my way to work from Jersey when one of "them" flew the first plane into the North Tower.

Unfortunately, we (American Muslims) weren't allowed to grieve with the rest of the nation because we were somehow suspect. OTHER. THEM. It's stupid. Idiotic. I still resent that and it still pisses me off when I think about it.

It's not that complex, America.

Not to us, but to the redneck hillbillies who can't distinguish between a religion, a race, and an ethnicity, everything looks the same. And if anyone on the "counter-jihad" side takes offense to me calling them a redneck hillbilly - well, too bad.

402 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:41:43am

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

At the cost of driving any and all remaining sane GOP voters to vote for Obama.

Palin would be instant death for Romney's campaign.

403 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:41:46am

re: #400 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Not in general, but in specific circumstances.

Internally perhaps it's not a good idea. If I were the CO I'd say nice flag. Take a picture of it private but when you're done please take it down. Thanks.

404 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:41:59am

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

Because that worked out SO well for John McCain.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:42:15am

re: #401 thedopefishlives

Not to us, but to the redneck hillbillies who can't distinguish between a religion, a race, and an ethnicity, everything looks the same. And if anyone on the "counter-jihad" side takes offense to me calling them a redneck hillbilly - well, too bad.

I was just thinking that Patrick, Spongebob's friend, lives under a rock. He also seems to have the persona of Bubba, the hillbilly.

406 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:44:02am

re: #398 ggt

Because Muslim seemed to be new, different, and scary at the time.

I know, and I understand, on an intellectual level. But it was really hurtful on a personal, emotional level. I can't tell you how many different awful emotions I wrestled through for months & moths afterwards. Hell, I'm still dealing with some of the residue.

407 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:44:10am

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

I assume you left off the sarc tag?

408 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:45:13am

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

Yeah, because women are so stupid to vote for someone simply because she's in possession of a vagina, not because she has the intelligence to do the job.

409 AK-47%  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:46:17am

re: #398 ggt

Because Muslim seemed to be new, different, and scary at the time.

People who live under a rock never look at what and who is around them.

after 911, a lot of people went from having almost no idea of Islam at all to having a negative one. Bush did not give in to any broad anti-Islam sentiment, but the current GOP seems to be fraught with it.

410 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:08am

re: #409 Expand Your Ground

after 911, a lot of people went from having almost no idea of Islam at all to having a negative one. Bush did not give in to any broad anti-Islam sentiment, but the current GOP seems to be fraught with it.

In fact, IIRC Bush went out of his way to try to make the point that there were significant differences between the fanatics in Al Qaeda and mainstream Muslims.

Too bad Faux News, the RW blogs and the howler monkeys on talk radio weren't so nuanced. They went for the broadest brush possible.

411 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:17am

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

Yes, because women don't give a crap about trivial things like policy, principles, etc, only whether a politician has the same anatomy 9_9

412 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:45am

re: #293 Obdicut

Didn't Uygur used to be a hyper-righty?

re: #297 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Markos used to be a Republican. But then, LGF used to be a conservative site.

Learn something new everyday. I had no idea. O_o

413 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:52am

re: #409 Expand Your Ground

re: #410 Lidane

Yeah, Bush II definitely got that right.

414 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:49:59am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

I have a long parking strip (10 x 140 feet) and I turn it over by hand every year and every year I promise myself I'm not going to do it again.
I'm almost done this year. I could finish today since we have a brief break in the weather but I'm not sure my back is up to it today.

You should invest in one of these and save your back. They are fairly inexpensive and last a long time. All that one needs is a 3 point hitch and a plow.

415 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:52:25am

re: #411 Interesting Times

Yes, because women don't give a crap about trivial things like policy, principles, etc, only whether a politician has the same anatomy 9_9

They shouldn't care about those things at all. They need to get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich./

416 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:53:27am

re: #410 Lidane

In fact, IIRC Bush went out of his way to try to make the point that there were significant differences between the fanatics in Al Qaeda and mainstream Muslims.

Too bad Faux News, the RW blogs and the howler monkeys on talk radio weren't so nuanced. They went for the broadest brush possible.

I'm a little disappointed that GWB has been so silent however. You would think that after being POTUS for 8 years he'd say something.

417 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:53:35am

The cultural differences between Arabic and Western cultures doesn't help. I think because I grew-up with a lot of Arabs, I get along better. When I worked at the store, I was the only one that seemed to get along with the Arab customers.

I think the men have a harder time of it. They aren't used to encountering women in the marketplace and having to interact with them. The women are usually ready for a hostile encounter.

418 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:54:27am

re: #416 Gus

I'm a little disappointed that GWB has been so silent however. You would think that after being POTUS for 8 years he'd say something.

do you think the Press would make a big deal out of it if he did.

Usually POTUS's stay low the first term after they are out of office.

420 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:55:38am

re: #419 Gus

Donald Trump’s Latest Paranoid Conspiracy Theory: Vaccines Cause Autism

Oh, God, here we go again.

421 sagehen  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:56:22am

re: #416 Gus

I'm a little disappointed that GWB has been so silent however. You would think that after being POTUS for 8 years he'd say something.

The GOP's only electoral hope is that everyone forget GWB ever existed.

422 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:56:28am

re: #418 ggt

do you think the Press would make a big deal out of it if he did.

Usually POTUS's stay low the first term after they are out of office.

Sure, WRT to Obama. But he doesn't have to comment on the current president but speak about the current issues facing America. One being those mentioned above about American Muslims. He can do that without interfering with the office of the president IMO.

423 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:56:32am

One young Arab wife told me she was so luckier than her girlfriends because her husband never beat her.

She was born American.

I told her that such things were NOT acceptable. She agreed.

I was shaken by her honesty.

424 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:35am

re: #297 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

Markos used to be a Republican. But then, LGF used to be a conservative site.

I used to vote Republican.

425 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:52am

re: #422 Gus

Sure, WRT to Obama. But he doesn't have to comment on the current president but speak about the current issues facing America. One being those mentioned above about American Muslims. He can do that without interfering with the office of the president IMO.

Yeah, there could be an opportunity, but I don't think it would work in today's political climate. Bush II and Obama could be together on this issue, but I think it would backfire.

426 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:57:54am

re: #421 sagehen

The GOP's only electoral hope is that everyone forget GWB ever existed.

Yep. Forget GWB! Come check out Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Take them for a spin and see what ya' think.

//

427 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:59:12am

re: #425 ggt

Yeah, there could be an opportunity, but I don't think it would work in today's political climate. Bush II and Obama could be together on this issue, but I think it would backfire.

That's fine too. It's good that he's been rather silent too in that he hasn't been a douche about Obama either.

428 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:59:14am

Honestly, the best was when husband's and wives shopped together. It was easy to see how people are just people.

In the stores, women rule and men are uncomfortable --regardless of the culture from which they come.

429 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 8:59:28am

re: #416 Gus

I'm a little disappointed that GWB has been so silent however. You would think that after being POTUS for 8 years he'd say something.

I was kinda disappointed too, but I figured he did his time as POTUS, so if he wanted to stay out of it and not take the beating he would've gotten (from his GOP brethren) for speaking up, then I guess I can't really fault him...*shrug*

Anyway, I have to get back to work. BBL

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:05:01am

GWB will undoubtedly endorse Romney. But would he endorse Gingrich or Santorum? I wonder.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:05:39am

re: #334 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

I think fundie Islam is also a past of many other religions.

Somewhat, yes. Islam has had the specific bad luck of having a series of fanatical triumphalist branches emerge on the scene just as the world goes genuinely global. In terms of the first world, and the third world, and the technology, and the media, and the everything, this was sort of a perfect storm to create a setting for a band of murderous DIY fundamentalists to get to work.

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:05:55am

Probably would, without much enthusiasm.

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:07:56am

re: #430 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

GWB will undoubtedly endorse Romney. But would he endorse Gingrich or Santorum? I wonder.

No, I don't think he would. The Party knows that. The dog and pony show has been orchestrated to nominate Romney from the git-go.

434 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:09:29am

re: #431 SanFranciscoZionist

Somewhat, yes. Islam has had the specific bad luck of having a series of fanatical triumphalist branches emerge on the scene just as the world goes genuinely global. In terms of the first world, and the third world, and the technology, and the media, and the everything, this was sort of a perfect storm to create a setting for a band of murderous DIY fundamentalists to get to work.

Don't for one minute think the Christian Whackos wouldn't maximize the same opportunity if they could find it.

435 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:10:13am

re: #418 ggt

do you think the Press would make a big deal out of it if he did.

Usually POTUS's stay low the first term after they are out of office.

I wish Jimmy Carter would STFU. His distaste for Israel is overwhelming and I'm sick of hearing about his latest comments.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:11:51am

re: #419 Gus

Donald Trump’s Latest Paranoid Conspiracy Theory: Vaccines Cause Autism

He really is behind the times, isn't he?

437 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:14:06am

re: #436 Learned Mother of Zion

He really is behind the times, isn't he?

Here's hoping that chemtrails are next on his agenda.

//

438 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:15:52am

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

I wish Jimmy Carter would STFU. His distaste for Israel is overwhelming and I'm sick of hearing about his latest comments.

Jimmy has done a lot of good, but I think it is time for him to stay home with a full-time caregiver.

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:19am

re: #436 Learned Mother of Zion

He really is behind the times, isn't he?

typical conservative -- up on the lastest 10 year old news.

440 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:27am

re: #437 Gus

Here's hoping that chemtrails are next on his agenda.

//

Nah, fluoridated water will be next. It messes with his hair products.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:36am

re: #336 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)

This RoadWarrior complains about Maimonides having to flee. But why would Maimonides be in the Muslim states in the first place? Could it have to do with Christian states' persecution of Jews?

Maimonides was born in Cordoba, so the answer to 'why was he in a Muslim state' was, "He was born there". However, he made a decision when things turned ugly under the Almoravids to choose Egypt as the next place to go. He had a prominent career, and could have found work pretty much anywhere.

The "Islam vs. Christianity for the Jews" routine is pretty stale, since there's really no winner, and no rational rubric. What happened to you depended a lot on exactly where you were when. Poland was the new Jerusalem in the thirteenth century, hell on Earth in the seventeenth...and so it went everywhere.

There's actually some value in unpacking what the situation of the Jews was in many Muslim areas. Following the Shoah, especially, there developed a myth of Jews under Islam living in some sort of idyllic tolerance, and it's not a bad idea to point out that that was largely limited to specific times and places. Unfortunately, for most of the armchair Spencerians, rather than achieve balance, they've gone for slamming Islam for its treatment of the Jews, and pretending that Christianity had nothing to do with any unpleasantness that might have occurred in Europe at any given time, or if it did, that wasn't real Christianity, so there.

My take, of course, is pretty simple: most everywhere, we were strangers in other people's lands, and so we got treated like shit when it was convenient for those who ruled. The details are interesting, but they're not going to give anyone deep insight into the root morality of any faith. But then again, I am a Zionist.

442 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:16:36am

I gotta go, have a great day all!

443 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:17:05am

Palestinian Olympic team goalie arrested for terror attack
April 2, 2012

JERUSALEM (JTA) -- The goalie of the Palestinian Olympic soccer team and Palestinian Red Crescent employees were among 13 West Bank residents arrested for an attack on Israeli soldiers.

The arrests in the Jan. 20 shooting attack against Israeli troops were announced Monday by the Israel Defense Forces. No injuries were incurred during the attack but a vehicle was damaged, according to the IDF.

Omar Abu Rois, 23, the goalie, is affiliated with the Hamas terror organization and works for the Red Crescent, according to the IDF. He carried out the attack with Red Crescent guard Salih Bar'al using AK-47 rifles procured by Munzar Abbas, 41, an officer of the Palestinian "General Intelligence" in Ramallah who is responsible for security at the Red Crescent.

The IDF said the group, who all live in the Amari refugee camp near Ramallah, intended to carry out similar attacks in at least six other locations.

There goes his Olympic dreams. I hope it was worth it.
[spit]

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:17:43am

re: #345 Learned Mother of Zion

Maimonides was invited to become the personal physician to the King of England and yet turned down the invitation and chose to remain in a Muslim-controlled land.

Who the hell wanted to go to ENGLAND?

It was cold, and uncivilized.

445 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:18:23am

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

Oddly enough, the RW media is having a love fest with Carter right now because of his comments saying that Jesus wouldn't have approved of abortion.

446 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:18:31am

Getting a little thick in here.

447 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:20:28am

re: #445 Lidane

Oddly enough, the RW media is having a love fest with Carter right now because of his comments saying that Jesus wouldn't have approved of abortion.

Just the RW media? They all are reporting on it.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:21:00am

re: #409 Expand Your Ground

after 911, a lot of people went from having almost no idea of Islam at all to having a negative one. Bush did not give in to any broad anti-Islam sentiment, but the current GOP seems to be fraught with it.

Bush handled the whole thing remarkably well. I wish I'd given him credit at the time, because I did not envision the madness that was following after.

449 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:22:02am

re: #423 ggt

One young Arab wife told me she was so luckier than her girlfriends because her husband never beat her.

She was born American.

I told her that such things were NOT acceptable. She agreed.

I was shaken by her honesty.

Probably an awful lot of women from an awful lot of cultures who could say the same. Alas.

450 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:22:13am

re: #447 NJDhockeyfan

Just the RW media? They all are reporting on it.

They're all reporting on it, but the RW media are falling all over themselves in Carter love because he's doing two things: criticizing the Dems and echoing their religious views about Jesus and abortion.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:23:13am

re: #450 Lidane

They're all reporting on it, but the RW media are falling all over themselves in Carter love because he's doing two things: criticizing the Dems and echoing their religious views about Jesus and abortion.

What is the LW media doing?

452 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:24:01am

re: #448 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush handled the whole thing remarkably well. I wish I'd given him credit at the time, because I did not envision the madness that was following after.

I don't think anyone could have imagined just how batshit insane the GOP and the right would become after Obama got elected.

453 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:24:05am

re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably an awful lot of women from an awful lot of cultures who could say the same. Alas.

Even here in the heart of flyover country.

454 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:24:26am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

Mostly focusing on Carter's comments that Obamacare doesn't go far enough.

455 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:27:06am

re: #454 Lidane

Mostly focusing on Carter's comments that Obamacare doesn't go far enough.

Huh. Here is a CBS report and I'm not seeing what you are. I don't recall CBS considered RW media either.

Carter: Jesus Would Not Approve Of Abortions

ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta/AP) — Former President Jimmy Carter believes Jesus Christ would not approve of abortions.

Carter made the comments during Thursday’s “The Laura Ingraham Show” while talking about how the Democratic Party should be more pro-life.

“I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions and that was one of the problems I had when I was president having to uphold Roe v. Wade,” Carter told Ingraham on her nationally syndicated radio show, “and I did everything I could to minimize the need for abortions.”

The former commander in chief feels women should only have abortions when their life is at risk during a pregnancy or if they got pregnant due to rape or incest.

“I’ve signed a public letter calling for the Democratic Party at the next convention to espouse my position on abortion which is to minimize the need, the requirement for abortion and limit it only to women whose life are in danger or who are pregnant as a result of rape or incest,” Carter told Ingraham.

Carter believes that if Dems took this position that the party would win back conservatives it has lost over the abortion issue.

Carter’s comments came the day Georgia lawmakers struck a last-minute agreement to restrict abortions five months after women get pregnant.

456 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:27:34am

re: #443 NJDhockeyfan

The goalie of the Palestinian Olympic soccer team and Palestinian Red Crescent employees were among 13 West Bank residents arrested for an attack on Israeli soldiers.

Even worse than the olympic athlete is the connections to the Palestinian emergency medical services. Deplorable.

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:27:40am

re: #434 ggt

Don't for one minute think the Christian Whackos wouldn't maximize the same opportunity if they could find it.

But see, they got screwed by social stability and prosperity. A series of historical arcs that empowered al-Qaeda and the Iranian government cut the rug from under them. They're doing their best with what they got, but the pickings are much, much slimmer than in, say, the mountains of Pakistan.

458 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:28:02am

Groan.

459 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:29:28am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, so that's how you're going to cherry pick things. Good to know.

Way to ignore the right wing sites in order to try and make your point.

460 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:32:26am

re: #458 Gus

Groan.

Begun the Derp Wars have.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:32:29am

re: #459 Lidane

Ah, so that's how you're going to cherry pick things. Good to know.

Way to ignore the right wing sites in order to try and make your point.

How many news stations or newspapers are RW? (You can skip Fox News. I already know they are an 'evil' news organization.)

462 blueraven  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:35:11am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

Huh. Here is a CBS report and I'm not seeing what you are. I don't recall CBS considered RW media either.

Carter: Jesus Would Not Approve Of Abortions

You think CBS is left wing media?

It appears to me to be a straight news report without commentary. Also, this is from a CBS local affiliate in Atlanta, not the CBS national network.

463 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:39:19am

re: #462 blueraven

You think CBS is left wing media?

It appears to me to be a straight news report without commentary. Also, this is from a CBS local affiliate in Atlanta, not the CBS national network.

I never said they were LW.

464 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:42:52am

re: #10 calochortus

And Republican strategy isn't something Republicans take responsibility for?

No, it's all God's fault. He told them to do this and they're just following orders.

465 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:47:35am

Small government! Individual liberty! Freedom!

Oh, wait:

Supreme Court: Strip searches, even for minor offenses

Siding with security needs over privacy rights, the Supreme Court ruled Monday that jailers may subject people arrested for minor offenses to invasive strip searches.

By a 5-4 vote, the court rejected a challenge from a New Jersey man who argued it's unconstitutional to force everyone to strip down for inspection. Albert Florence was arrested by a state trooper because of an error in the state's records that mistakenly said he was wanted on an outstanding warrant for an unpaid fine. Even if the warrant had been valid, failure to pay a fine is not a crime in New Jersey.

Florence was held for a week in two different jails before the charges were dropped. But at each jail, he was required to shower with delousing soap and undergo a strip search.

Florence's lawyers argued such seaches are unconstitutional unless police have reason to believe the subject is carrying a weapon or drugs.

But the court's majority said it's difficult for jail officials to know who's dangerous and who isn't among the 13 million prisoners they process each year because criminal records are often not available at the time of intake. The majority opinion was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy.

The court also noted that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, was initially arrested for not having a license plate on his car and that one of the 9/11 terrorists was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93. "People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals," the court said.

466 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:49:44am

re: #460 thedopefishlives

Begun the Derp Wars have.

Gets to be a little too much sometimes. All the talk about Muslims; Middle East news; Palestinians; the pages from Camera and Reuters News Watch. One right after the other. None of it is positive either and it all focuses on the negative aspects of a particular culture(s).

467 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:52:09am

re: #363 sattv4u2

All my computers now sound like Nurse Chapel (not that I really mind)....

468 blueraven  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:53:20am

re: #463 NJDhockeyfan

I never said they were LW.

And I never said you did. I asked if you thought they were.
Based on your comment-

I don't recall CBS considered RW media either.

469 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 9:56:25am

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Maimonides was born in Cordoba, so the answer to 'why was he in a Muslim state' was, "He was born there".

But then one could ask, why he was born in Cordoba, i.e. why did his parents choose to stay in the Muslim land if it was so much more oppressive than the rest of the world.

470 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:01:15am

Palin still not reading.
Lauer Asks Palin Today, 'Are You Reading Some Newspapers?'

Palin cracked up. "That's a fine 'How do you do,’" she said. "Here we go."

471 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:01:17am

re: #32 windupbird is in the gravity well

Imagine the internet conservative seizures if Michelle Obama ran in 2016 and won

If that's the case I'll invest in the company that manufactures Thorazine because there will be a huge spike in demand.

472 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:01:17am

Egypt army pardons Brotherhood presidency nominee

Egypt's military has dropped two court convictions against the Muslim Brotherhood's new presidential candidate Khairat al-Shater, clearing him to run in the elections to replace ousted leader Hosni Mubarak, the movement's lawyer said on Sunday.

In a policy reversal on Saturday, the Brotherhood opted to field a candidate to contest the votes in May and June and named Shater, a wealthy businessman, as its choice after deciding the other candidates were not worthy of its support. (Reuters)

The MB changed their mind about running a presidential candidate? I'm shocked!

473 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:02:10am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

Seriously, who reads specific newspapers anymore? half-/

474 Achilles Tang  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:02:50am

re: #455 NJDhockeyfan

“I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions

This is his best explanation of his position? He imagines what Jesus would have thought, then uses his imagination to justify what he thinks!

There's theology in a nutshell for you.

BTW, women tried to abort in his time too. How come Jesus didn't make it one of his primary issues, as the Carters and the GOP do?

475 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:05:31am

re: #465 Lidane

Small government! Individual liberty! Freedom!

Oh, wait:

Supreme Court: Strip searches, even for minor offenses

It could be argued for safety reasons of other prisoners in the jail including the prison guards. However, I find this statement most troubling:

"People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals..."

They either are "the most devious and dangerous criminals" or they are not. People that are detained for unpaid traffic tickets shouldn't be treated as such. If John Doe is arrested for a minor offense can be strip searched for the safety of others but should not be treated as though they're facing life at a Supermax facility. That is determined by the courts and not the police or the jailers.

476 shutdown  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:07:26am

I know this is an old thread, but something struck me about the title for the article as chosen by Charles. Women are not shunning the GOP. Women have been told by the GOP that they are de facto second class citizens, are required to bear children at the government's and their husbands' whim, have no expectation of privacy, should ultimately submit to a mediaeval patriarchal religious hierarchy, and are just generally emotionally and intellectually unfit to be men's equals. So, unless you are crazy-eyed Bachmann, or a hardened hypocrite, you have to admit that the GOP has told women to get lost.

477 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:07:44am

Jesus would not approve of oral sex either. Wait, wut?

/

478 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:07:55am

re: #474 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

Considering that most folks barely understand what Jesus actually did do when he was alive or that much of what is ascribed to him was codified long after his death, that we've got people reinterpreting what would Jesus do when faced with A, B, or C is not surprising. Everyone seems to want to make him a mirror for their own views on a particular topic.

Abortion is no different.

Then again, we're talking about former president Carter. He has a knack for making hash of everything he speaks about these days but watching the right wing highlight his comments as proof is laughable considering that he's reviled by them the rest of the time.

479 shutdown  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:10:10am

re: #478 lawhawk

Carter is basically the dressing on Palin's word salad

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:10:16am

re: #478 lawhawk

We have barely sufficient evidence even for his historicity (we do have sufficient evidence, but boy, is it scarce). So we don't really know what Jesus really taught, beyond maybe the most general ideas.

481 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:10:49am

I was reading the other day that the incarceration rate in the USA exceeds population growth. I should check that again.

482 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:11:32am

re: #480 Liberty Hedgehog (fka Freedom Alligator)


Something about being cool with shit, except occasionally flipping out and whipping people. Also, people were bad at party planning back then.

483 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:13:51am

re: #341 Learned Mother of Zion

Desperate, still reaching, reaching:

ABC News claims "enhanced video" shows "injuries" on zimmerman's head. Still no blood, though.

Remember that Disney owns ABC and is desperate for this case to go away. Can't have the people getting too scared to come down and spend their money on the Disney Industries.

484 shutdown  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:15:26am

re: #483 William Barnett-Lewis

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

watch the video. the marks are clear. taking a non-factual position on the case does not help anybody.

485 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:16:27am

Not a late April Fool's joke:

Ashton Kutcher to play Apple founder Steve Jobs in film

486 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:18:38am

re: #476 Phlebas

I know this is an old thread, but something struck me about the title for the article as chosen by Charles. Women are not shunning the GOP. Women have been told by the GOP that they are de facto second class citizens, are required to bear children at the government's and their husbands' whim, have no expectation of privacy, should ultimately submit to a mediaeval patriarchal religious hierarchy, and are just generally emotionally and intellectually unfit to be men's equals. So, unless you are crazy-eyed Bachmann, or a hardened hypocrite, you have to admit that the GOP has told women to get lost.

One of my FB friends posted this a couple of days ago:

Image: GOP___women.JPG

487 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:18:40am

re: #481 Gus

I was reading the other day that the incarceration rate in the USA exceeds population growth. I should check that again.

From the prison library??

//

488 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:18:56am

re: #484 Phlebas

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

watch the video. the marks are clear. taking a non-factual position on the case does not help anybody.

Where's all the blood?

489 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:19:11am

Does this mean that when Buzz Aldrin punched moon-hoax conspiracy nut, Bart Sibrel, in the face that Mr. Sibrel would have been justified in shooting Buzz Aldrin?

490 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:20:53am

re: #488 Learned Mother of Zion

Where's all the blood?

Cleaned up by the para-medics at the scene

If he were still bleeding when taken into custody, they would have taken him to the hospital, not the police station

491 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:21:24am

So much for accountability and honesty:

Texas Tries To Keep Voter ID Debate Secret

492 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:21:31am

re: #465 Lidane

Small government! Individual liberty! Freedom!

Oh, wait:

Supreme Court: Strip searches, even for minor offenses

Oh yeah. And this guy probably spent more time and jail than George Zimmerman is even facing at this time. Humans.

493 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:22:37am

re: #484 Phlebas

And we know that whatever we're seeing is a fresh wound and not some longstanding scar or other condition? Since his jacket is covering his shirt, we cant' see if there's blood on the back, though one has to wonder whether any dripped to the front.

494 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:23:13am

re: #490 sattv4u2

Cleaned up by the para-medics at the scene

If he were still bleeding when taken into custody, they would have taken him to the hospital, not the police station

He's wearing new clothes too? Why are the police checking the pockets of a jacket he received after the paramedics cleaned him up? Where is there no pressure bandage on the scalp wound? They bleed like a son of a bitch.

495 Gus  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:23:15am

WRT to the strip searching. I'm sure everyone will be all for it up until grandma gets hauled in for unpaid tickets.

496 blueraven  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:23:21am

re: #485 Lidane

Not a late April Fool's joke:

Ashton Kutcher to play Apple founder Steve Jobs in film

What? Talk about going against type. Sounds like a disaster in the making.
Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, but this is hard for me to imagine.

497 simoom  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:24:04am

ABC's Emily Friedman kind of pushing the envelope with this one:

Probably not worth casting aside one's journalistic professionalism to construct/promote a grade-school double entendre.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

498 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:24:22am

re: #486 allegro

One of my FB friends posted this a couple of days ago:

Image: GOP___women.JPG

My sister in law got unfriended for posting that. She and the rest of the commenters said 'good riddance'.

499 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:25:09am

re: #497 simoom

Ann Romney asked about Romney being "too stiff": "I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out because he is not!"

LOL!

500 Lidane  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:25:42am

re: #490 sattv4u2

Cleaned up by the para-medics at the scene

If he were still bleeding when taken into custody, they would have taken him to the hospital, not the police station

Because a guy who's just been in an epic fight to the death stops bleeding before being taken into custody. No obvious signs of a struggle. No ripped clothing. No scrapes or stains on his clothing. He just magically stops bleeding before being taken into custody.

For a guy who supposedly got his head slammed into the concrete a bunch of times, Zimmerman is amazingly balanced less than an hour later. He's able to walk upright of his own volition and everything.

501 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:25:48am

If Zimmerman had a broken nose and had his head smashed on a concrete sidewalk he would be a bloody mess that no paramedic could clean up. According to the time stamp at the police station it was like less than 45 minutes after the shooting. Head wounds bleed. Broken noses bleed. They do not stop bleeding that quickly without stitches. Blood would be evident on his clothes.

This man was not injured.

502 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:26:13am

In a recent thread I assumed that the police report is probably correct and there were some scratches and probably a bit of a bloody nose. This new supposed evidence doesn't contradict my position - yeah, there were a few scratches on the back of his head. So what?

503 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:27:30am

Up up up.

504 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:28:32am

re: #498 wrenchwench

My sister in law got unfriended for posting that. She and the rest of the commenters said 'good riddance'.

That would be my response as well. There is nothing at all untrue about it. If someone got pissy I would suggest that someone get real and open her/his eyes to what is REALLY going on.

505 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:29:41am

re: #500 Lidane

He just magically stops bleeding

What part of a paramedics job don't you understand?

506 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:31:45am

Some of New Jersey's recent legislation enacted by Gov. Christie tracks model legislation written up by the conservative group ALEC. The response to the article was that the NJ legislators and Christie's office denied any use of the model language, but I find that farfetched. It's far more than coincidental that the language tracks so closely.

The NJ example is hardly alone though. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a bit of legislation nationally is the result of lobbyist groups and other groups pushing model legislation.

Many of the lobby groups, like the NRA, produce model language for inclusion in state laws - both as part of their policy prescriptions, and to make it easier to get them enacted consistently nationally.

We've seen that SYG has the NRA backing it.

Various entities have pushed model language on everything from streamlined sales tax (the SSTP), the Multistate Tax Commission and its model language for taxability issues, Uniform Commercial Code and Uniform entity laws (partnerships, etc.), or even uniform abandoned property laws.

Some of these model law efforts make sense - particularly when the idea is to make a difficult issue uniform - take tax collection across multiple jurisdictions.

However, some of model language smacks of laziness - a state had not considered treatment of a given subject to be important enough or had different treatment until a model language is proffered. It takes the legislative agenda out of the hands of those who are supposed to be writing the laws.

507 shutdown  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:31:56am

re: #500 Lidane

I certainly don't think that scalp abrasions and a bloody nose have to be the results of an "epic fight to the death". Eyewitness reports aired on CNN tell of a struggle. This is not a commentary on the ultimate moral or legal balance of facts. Simply discounting anything Zimmerman claims and decrying the polie report as fraudulent in some way is just simply not constructive. Injury is not exculpatory; I mean, hell, Marint is dead

508 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:32:08am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

What is the LW media doing?

Probably telling the facts and truth.

509 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:39:25am

re: #490 sattv4u2

Cleaned up by the para-medics at the scene

If he were still bleeding when taken into custody, they would have taken him to the hospital, not the police station

They washed his cloths?

510 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:43:47am

re: #505 sattv4u2

He just magically stops bleeding

What part of a paramedics job don't you understand?

The part where they drive to his apartment and bring him a complete new change of clothes, because the shirt, jacket and pants he was wearing were a bloody mess!

511 allegro  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:45:04am

re: #509 RayFerd

They washed his cloths?

And removed the very hard-to-remove blood stains AND dried his clothes. All in a half hour. Even Martha Stewart couldn't pull that off.

512 William of Orange  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:54:04am

Strictly spoken Sara Taylor is right of course. The other main culprit is of course the Tea Party. That's about all I'll allow her to spin her opinion.

513 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:18:12am

re: #482 Obdicut

Something about being cool with shit, except occasionally flipping out and whipping people. Also, people were bad at party planning back then.

Gday Obdicut,

Is this the passage you are referring to?

514 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:47:32am

Obdi,

Or perhaps you are referring to this?

Neither this nor my previous reference refer to 'whipping people'.

The word used in the greek text is ἐξέβαλεν
Roughly translated as 'cast out'

It is used 5 times in the bible, here are the references.

None of which would make me believe Jesus used whips on people.

In my first reference, from John 2:13-22, it states he took time to 'weave cords' to drive out the animals, that does not sound like someone 'flipping out'.

Your thoughts?

515 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:48:51am

re: #514 ozbloke

Oh, geeze, you're being serious?

516 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:50:47am

re: #515 Obdicut

Oh, geeze, you're being serious?

Obdi,

I admire you as a poster, always have, I believe you seek accuracy.
There was no sarc tag on your post.
Was there meant to be?

517 Obdicut  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:54:58am

re: #516 ozbloke

When I sum up the entire new testament as being cool, occasionally flipping out, and talking about party planning?

I didn't think I needed one, man. I might was well sum up the Odyssey as "A really long drive home, something about a dog, and it's cool to kill people if they're hitting on your wife."

518 ozbloke  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 11:58:04am

re: #517 Obdicut

When I sum up the entire new testament as being cool, occasionally flipping out, and talking about party planning?

I didn't think I needed one, man. I might was well sum up the Odyssey as "A really long drive home, something about a dog, and it's cool to kill people if they're hitting on your wife."

Hey if it was only sarcasm, I don't have an issue with it.
I didn't know whether it was what you believed the new testament said.

All good, back to what you were doing.
I think we are up to zippers and dick jokes.

519 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 2, 2012 3:55:20pm

re: #399 Ojoe

If the GOP nominates Palin they'll get a lot of those women back.

It saddens me that you show so little respect for women's intelligence.


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