New Report: 15 Percent of Mitt Romney’s Twitter Followers Are Paid Fakes

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Dan Goodin at Ars Technica cites a new report from researchers at security firm Barracuda Labs, which concludes that 15 percent of Mitt Romney’s Twitter followers are paid fakes.

(Comes as no surprise to me: Is Mitt Romney Buying Twitter Followers?)

The report comes from researchers at security firm Barracuda Labs, and it cites the addition last month of 116,922 followers to @MittRomney in a span of just 24 hours. The infusion on July 21 represented a 17-percent spike in accounts following Romney. A quarter of those new accounts were less than four days old, and 23 percent of them had never issued a single tweet. Ten percent have since been suspended by Twitter for unspecified reasons.

“Based on the above distinguishable features, we believe most of these recent followers of Romney are not from a general Twitter population but most likely from a paid Twitter follower service,” Barracuda Labs Research Scientist Jason Ding wrote in the report. Such services allow customers to buy followers for any Twitter account, he stressed, so it’s not clear if the fakes were purchased by Romney, his supporters, or his political foes. …

Ars has reached out to Romney officials for comment on Ding’s report. This post will be updated if they respond.

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93 comments
1 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:40:46pm

This just in, social networking sites get co-opted for marketing.

Film at 11.

2 erik_t  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:41:48pm

Imagine if only 15% of Romney's policy positions were paid fakes.

3 gwangung  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:42:39pm

Meh. Non story.

4 nines09  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:44:58pm

What do you expect? Mitt Romney is fake.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:45:36pm

"Mitt Romney: The Twitlight Saga"

6 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:46:20pm

Mitt outsourced his Twitter followers. What a shock.

7 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:46:28pm

What I just posted on the previous thread (because I'm gleeful about the possibility of it happening...

Wouldn't it be funny to have Romney demand Obama's transcripts and declare that as soon as Obama did that, he would release his tax returns, and then, BAM, Obama releases his transcripts? I wouldn't put it past Obama to have been saving them for something special like this...he seems to think very far ahead.

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:47:31pm

The Romney Campaign is just following standard US industrial procedure for food products. Partly natural, but artificial flavors and ingredients added in order to maintain shelf life.

;)

9 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:47:41pm
Ars has reached out to Romney officials for comment on Ding’s report. This post will be updated if they respond.

Don't hold ya breath, Ars.

10 S'latch  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:47:56pm

I remember reading the denial from Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew that said "Romney campaign:We didnt buy any Twitter followers."

I remember thinking that it sounded carefully worded. It would not include a denial of paying a "Twitter follower service" which might add only the appearance of additional Twitter followers, but not any actual additional Twitter followers.

11 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:48:58pm

There must be something like, oh, 23, really devoted Romney fans out there, 35 if you count his hairdressers.

The wingnuts (barely) tolerate him as the Not-Obama (aka Great White Hope) and even Mormons are suspicious of his "flexibility" on policy.

12 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:52:47pm

Mitt is a politician who is willing to stand up for the rights of millions of fake Americans.

Just so long as they aren't gay, Muslims, women or democrats.

13 erik_t  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:53:20pm

re: #7 Sionainn

Wouldn't it be funny to have Romney's trusted slimy surrogates demand Obama's transcripts and declare that as soon as Obama did that, he would release his tax returns, and then, BAM, Obama releases his transcripts? I wouldn't put it past Obama to have been saving them for something special like this...he seems to think very far ahead.

FTFY. Romney would never be so brave as to act directly.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:53:28pm
15 jaunte  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:54:11pm

All of these Twitter followers were purchased after Romney left Bain.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:54:26pm

re: #12 Kragar

Mitt is a politician who is willing to stand up for the rights of millions of fake Americans.

Just so long as they aren't gay, Muslims, women or democrats.

Lesbian Muslimah Democrats for Romney never quite made it off the ground?

17 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:55:21pm

re: #13 erik_t

FTFY. Romney would never be so brave as to act directly.

Nope, it would definitely have to come from Romney directly to avoid Romney turning around and stating that his spokesperson was mistaken.

18 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:55:34pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

FOUND! Romney's tax records!

Is that a real AFSCME ad? Because if so, I'd like to know who out there thinks that people that would genuinely be drawn in by Curiosity imagery would be interested in sending texts to their spam scam service.

19 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:59:13pm

Only 15%?

I'm surprised it's not 51%?

20 researchok  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:01:07pm

How does this work? Is there a sign up or are followers solicited?

21 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:01:53pm

re: #15 jaunte

All of these Twitter followers were purchased after Romney left Bain.

Yeah, but they joined retroactively to 1999.
/

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:07:12pm

re: #20 researchok

How does this work? Is there a sign up or are followers solicited?

Most of them are not real people. They're sock puppet accounts.

23 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:08:36pm

re: #20 researchok

How does this work? Is there a sign up or are followers solicited?

There are companies which are devoted to providing online followers.

24 Tumulus11  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:09:09pm

'New Report: 15 Percent of Mitt Romney’s Twitter Followers Are Paid Fakes'

. 85% fake it without compensation.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:11:38pm

re: #18 GunstarGreen

Is that a real AFSCME ad? Because if so, I'd like to know who out there thinks that people that would genuinely be drawn in by Curiosity imagery would be interested in sending texts to their spam scam service.

It's real. I don't do text ads, but they have quite a lot to say about Romney's tax records on their website. I don't see a scam either way.

26 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:14:55pm

pay to tweet?

why do i feel so old all of a sudden?

27 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:16:12pm

I remember when the Mitt Twits first came up, someone found like a dozen Twitter accounts that all started following Mitt in less than an hour with different names but the same profile pic in all of them.

28 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:17:54pm

Btw, I am now a card carrying member of the Lubbock County Democratic Party.
I still have an autographed photo of my (much younger) self with Barry Goldwater, it's still displayed behind my desk, and I still have no intention of removing it.

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:17:58pm

I would get some such followers, but first I would have something to say.

And...I don't. Not really.

Nobody wants to know what I had for breakfast.

30 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:18:21pm

Just because it contains a certain person's favorite word ;)

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:18:35pm

How do I get paid to follow somebody on Twitter?

32 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:18:43pm

Around this time last year...

Update: Only 92% of Newt Gingrich’s Twitter Followers Are Fake

Yesterday, we published an item based on a former Newt Gingrich staffer's claim that Gingrich assembled his 1.3 million Twitter followers—a number that he's taken to bragging about—in part by buying fake Twitter followers. A lot of people did not think that was true! But today social networking search firm PeekYou announced that it had crunched the data and come to the conclusion that roughly 106,055 of Gingrich's million-plus followers are real people. The rest are fakes.

33 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:19:14pm

re: #30 Interesting Times

Just because it contains a certain person's favorite word ;)

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Rate?

34 jaunte  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:19:35pm

re: #30 Interesting Times

Shorts a'smoulder.

35 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:21:12pm

If it pays well then it's just capitalism at work. If not, then it's just a hobby.

36 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:21:33pm

re: #31 Learned Mother of Zion

How do I get paid to follow somebody on Twitter?

Promise someone you can get them 20,000 followers for a modest sum, then subcontract out to a South East Asian or African internet company to create 20,000 twitter accounts to follow them and rake in the money.

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:22:10pm

re: #35 b_sharp

If it pays well then it's just capitalism at work. If not, then it's just a hobby.

Well, yes, by IRS standards. There's only so many years you can deduct for an activity that loses money before they declare it a hobby.

38 Big Steve  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:22:22pm

I have a twitter account and I follow some people but I have never generated a tweet nor re-tweeted......so I must be a fake.

39 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:22:44pm

re: #36 Kragar

Promise someone you can get them 20,000 followers for a modestsum, then subcontract out to a South East Asian or African internet company to create 20,000 twitter accounts to follow them and rake in the money.

Twitter ponzi!

40 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:24:03pm

re: #39 Learned Mother of Zion

Twitter ponzi!

You just killed my next business venture by letting the cat out of the bag. Thanks a bazillion.

41 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:24:25pm

re: #38 Big Steve

I have a twitter account and I follow some people but I have never generated a tweet nor re-tweeted......so I must be a fake.

We already knew that.

42 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:25:50pm

i am a cat

things that tweet:

i eats them

43 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:27:13pm

The wingnuts are mad because most of them dismissed the internet as a fad, thereby allowing a mob of hippies to rake in billions.

44 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:27:34pm

Speaking of tweets, I thought the @MarsCuriosity account was hacked for a moment there, but careful proofreading is your friend ;)

45 kirkspencer  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:28:06pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

The wingnuts are mad because most of them dismissed the internet as a fad, thereby allowing a mob of hippies to rake in billions.

No, not because it was a fad. It's because Al Gore invented it, and they don't want the association.
//

46 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:28:51pm

re: #42 engineer cat

i am a cat

things that tweet:

i eats them

You dare post Haiku?

Why do you hate the U.S.?

You are a commie.

47 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:29:07pm
a paid Twitter follower service

You can actually charge for such a service? Somebody actually runs such a service? Who, other than Mitt Romney, would pay somebody to follow them on Twitter? Why?

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:29:08pm

re: #42 engineer cat

i am a cat

things that tweet:

i eats them

You're missing some syllables. Try:

i am a gray cat

things that tweet improperly

i eats them with cheese

49 jaunte  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:29:50pm

Intense weather in the Philippines:

Thousands Flee Manila Flooding; Desperate Residents Trapped on Roofs
MANILA — At least a third of this overpopulated capital and its suburbs were submerged on Tuesday as torrential rains battered the city and floodwaters poured in from almost all sides.
...
More than 50 people have already died in more than a week of intense storms, monsoon rains and flooding, and at least 250,000 have been evacuated in just the past several days
....
“It’s like Waterworld,” said Benito Ramos, who heads the government’s disaster relief agency

50 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:30:03pm

re: #27 Kragar

I remember when the Mitt Twits first came up, someone found like a dozen Twitter accounts that all started following Mitt in less than an hour with different names but the same profile pic in all of them.

Oddly enough, it wouldn't seem so strange if the pic was of Breitbart...

51 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:30:41pm

Important note: Some of the fakes in question ARE actually human beings.

52 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:31:10pm

re: #36 Kragar

Promise someone you can get them 20,000 followers for a modest sum, then subcontract out to a South East Asian or African internet company to create 20,000 twitter accounts to follow them and rake in the money.

But, why would somebody pay me to get them 20,000 fake followers?

53 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:31:13pm

re: #48 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You're missing some syllables. Try:

i am a gray cat

things that tweet improperly

i eats them with cheese

You are dead to me.

I really mean it this time.

Dead to me you are.

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:31:18pm

Hmmm.

Tweets are sounding brass

Falling onto metal ears

Birds observe with scorn

55 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:32:15pm

re: #53 Kragar

You are dead to me.

I really mean it this time.

Dead to me you are.

But I have cookies.

Actually, no, I ate those. Settle for a Klondike bar?

56 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:32:34pm

re: #52 funky chicken

But, why would somebody pay me to get them 20,000 fake followers?

Buzz. "Hey look how many people are interested in this! Come check it out! We've got X followers, so you know its good."

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:33:01pm

re: #49 jaunte

Intense weather in the Philippines:

"It's like Waterworld."

Kevin Costner sighting?

58 Gus  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:33:04pm

Romney: America Is No Kibbutz

“It’s individuals and their entrepreneurship which have driven America," Romney said. "What America is not a collective where we all work in a Kibbutz or we all in some little entity, instead it’s individuals pursuing their dreams and building successful enterprises which employ others and they become inspired as they see what has happened in the place they work and go off and start their own enterprises.”

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:33:13pm

So is this basically the middle-aged male politician version of stuffing your training bra?

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:33:51pm

DERP DE DERP

61 Big Steve  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:34:21pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

So is this basically the middle-aged male politician version of stuffing your training bra?

seriously spit out my drink laughing.....I need more karma points to give on this. Nice!

62 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:34:27pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

So is this basically the middle-aged male politician version of stuffing your training bra?

Wait, is Anthony Weiner back in the news?

63 jaunte  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:34:30pm

re: #58 Gus

For one thing, hiring twitter followers won't help you on the kibbutz.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:34:43pm

re: #58 Gus

[double facepalm]

65 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:35:20pm

Only 15%? I'm a bit surprised that 85% are real. I kinda doubt it actually. 15% easy to catch fakes.

66 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:35:29pm

re: #60 Learned Mother of Zion

DERP DE DERP

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Yeah, another liberal neo-nazi white supremacist. They're all over the place.

67 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:36:00pm

re: #60 Learned Mother of Zion

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Sikh temple shooting: Gunman was on feds’ radar, told Army friend ‘racial holy war was coming

Christopher Robillard, who served with Page for three years in the U.S. Army, said he thought it was just talk when Page expressed his extremist views.

"He would often mention the racial holy war that was coming," Robillard told CNN's Piers Morgan on Monday. "And you know, we just looked at it as he was trying to get attention to himself. Because he was always the loner type of person. Even in a group of people, he would be off alone."

That's straight out of the right wing extremist/white supremacist playbook - nothing left wing about that.

68 erik_t  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:36:06pm

re: #66 Kragar

Yeah, another liberal neo-nazi white supremacist. They're all over the place.

Well, the shooter might actually be to the left of Brian Fischer.

No /

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:36:33pm

re: #54 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Hmmm.

Tweets are sounding brass

Falling onto metal ears

Birds observe with scorn

Angry birds tweet
Kill the Pigs! Occupy nest!
Better politics.

70 Kragar  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:37:48pm

The wisdumb of Fischer..

You know what the Nazi Party stands for? It's the National Socialist Party. What about the word "socialist" do you not understand? They were the National Socialist Party - that is a left-wing political philosophy. And you think even here in the United States, who was the part of racism? It was the left, it was liberals who were the part of racism. It was Democrats that supported and defended the institution of slavery. It was Democrats that resisted the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. It was Democrats that instituted Jim Crow laws. It was Democrats that created the Ku Klux Klan. It was Democrats that filibustered the Civil Rights Acts of the mid-1960s.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:39:42pm

re: #62 Mocking Jay

Wait, is Anthony Weiner back in the news?

Oh, I don't think he stuffed...I think that was all Anthony Weiner.

(I still cherish Borowitz's article on how to talk to your kids about Anthony Weiner's penis.)

72 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:40:42pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I don't think he stuffed...I think that was all Anthony Weiner.

(I still cherish Borowitz's article on how to talk to your kids about Anthony Weiner's penis.)

And I cherish the fact that I never read that...

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:40:43pm

re: #68 erik_t

Well, the shooter might actually be to the left of Brian Fischer.

No /

The Sheriff of Nottingham was somewhat to the left of Bryan Fischer.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:42:00pm

re: #72 Mocking Jay

And I cherish the fact that I never read that...

Could what happened to Anthony Weiner’s penis happen to my penis?

No. Anthony Weiner’s penis has many followers on Twitter. Your penis isn’t even on Twitter. Someday, when your penis gets much older, it may be on Twitter. But that’s nothing to worry about, because many people believe the world will end before then.

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:42:26pm

re: #58 Gus

Romney: America Is No Kibbutz

“It’s individuals and their entrepreneurship which have driven America," Romney said. "What America is not a collective where we all work in a Kibbutz or we all in some little entity, instead it’s individuals pursuing their dreams and building successful enterprises which employ others and they become inspired as they see what has happened in the place they work and go off and start their own enterprises.”

I got no problem with individual initiative and personal responsibility as the flip side of personal freedom.

But I do have trouble with the notion that individuals and families, with limited assets, should be expected to negotiate one-to-one with multi-billion dollar, international corporations for health care, work conditions or financial services.

76 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:44:14pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Could what happened to Anthony Weiner’s penis happen to my penis?

No. Anthony Weiner’s penis has many followers on Twitter. Your penis isn’t even on Twitter. Someday, when your penis gets much older, it may be on Twitter. But that’s nothing to worry about, because many people believe the world will end before then.

If I give you an upding will you not share anymore of that with us?

77 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:47:12pm

Oh hell. Just found out my oldest cat probably has cancer. Time to take her home for a time of utter spoiling. Then I have to face a vet with the needle for her. Shit. That's my little lap cat. The one that follows me all around the house and sleeps under my arm in winter.

78 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:53:58pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Oh hell. Just found out my oldest cat probably has cancer. Time to take her home for a time of utter spoiling. Then I have to face a vet with the needle for her. Shit. That's my little lap cat. The one that follows me all around the house and sleeps under my arm in winter.

I'm very sorry to hear that. Very sad.

79 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:56:33pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Oh hell. Just found out my oldest cat probably has cancer. Time to take her home for a time of utter spoiling. Then I have to face a vet with the needle for her. Shit. That's my little lap cat. The one that follows me all around the house and sleeps under my arm in winter.

Sympathies, DB. Losing an old friend that way is horrible.

80 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:59:50pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Oh hell. Just found out my oldest cat probably has cancer. Time to take her home for a time of utter spoiling. Then I have to face a vet with the needle for her. Shit. That's my little lap cat. The one that follows me all around the house and sleeps under my arm in winter.

{{Daniel Ballard}}

81 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:00:47pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

So sad. Take care of both of you.

82 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:04:50pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker
re: #79 makeitstop
re: #78 Killgore Trout
& WW
Thank you all.
I gotta remember if they lived as long as we do we could not have kittens so many times in our lives. We get to give them a good life, they give us inestimable fun, love and affection for about two decades if we are lucky. They remind us to be kind to smaller creatures.

As I get older I ask myself-Am I too old to get a kitten again? Not yet but that day too comes along eventually. 20 years of friendship that must end with a tough day. This cat "Peanut" will get some great final weeks or months and a kind easy exit.

83 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:14:08pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Don't let it go too long. Missed the signs of my dog's distress. We owe them that.

84 Lidane  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:22:38pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Oh hell. Just found out my oldest cat probably has cancer. Time to take her home for a time of utter spoiling. Then I have to face a vet with the needle for her. Shit. That's my little lap cat. The one that follows me all around the house and sleeps under my arm in winter.

My condolences, DB. *hugs*

I went through the exact same thing about this time 8 years ago. I had a wonderful, loving lap cat that was a big fat ball of fur, and she ended up diagnosed with oral cancer. By the time we found it, it had already spread and metastasized in her system, so I took her home and spoiled her rotten until her body just couldn't handle it anymore and I took her and put her down.

It was easily one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. I was so upset for ages. She was a good friend and I still miss her. I can definitely relate to what you're going through right now.

85 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:24:58pm

re: #58 Gus

Romney: America Is No Kibbutz

“It’s individuals and their entrepreneurship which have driven America," Romney said. "What America is not a collective where we all work in a Kibbutz or we all in some little entity, instead it’s individuals pursuing their dreams and building successful enterprises which employ others and they become inspired as they see what has happened in the place they work and go off and start their own enterprises.”

But Mitt Romney is a putz!

86 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:25:11pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Agreed wholeheartedly. Will certainly make it all about her, not us.

re: #84 Lidane

It's so hard and so very worth every last bit of it. Time, money, tears.

87 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:26:59pm

re: #82 Daniel Ballard

Peanut has been lucky to have a long & wonderful life—far luckier than many, many other cats. She's been happy and knows she's loved. That counts for a lot. It's everything, actually.

That life is temporary is what makes it so very precious.

88 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:29:52pm

re: #85 funky chicken

But Mitt Romney is a putz!

Romney's America is a compound, where we stock 7.62 and fly a flag that was surrendered a century and a half ago.

89 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:35:33pm

re: #87 CuriousLurker

You and I are people of very real personal faith. I see a godly hand in the small creatures around us. They too teach us about life and living. The Buddhist in me understands impermanence. Part of that understanding is the intelligence to regret the temporary nature of life, albeit a selfish regret.

One of life's greatest things is little girls & boys with kittens & puppies to play and grow up with. Now there is a combination that secular explanations fail to convey rightly IMO.

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 2:48:08pm

re: #30 Interesting Times

Just because it contains a certain person's favorite word ;)

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Seriously politifact?
Seriously?
Lol.

91 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 3:15:27pm

I'm a bit surprised it's not 27%.

92 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 5:02:55pm

re: #89 Daniel Ballard

You and I are people of very real personal faith. I see a godly hand in the small creatures around us. They too teach us about life and living. The Buddhist in me understands impermanence. Part of that understanding is the intelligence to regret the temporary nature of life, albeit a selfish regret.

One of life's greatest things is little girls & boys with kittens & puppies to play and grow up with. Now there is a combination that secular explanations fail to convey rightly IMO.

It's like the seasons—spring, summer, fall, winter. Death always reminds me of the Persian Nowruz (New Year) traditions, which has it's roots in Zoroastrianism (but is observed by all Iranians, regardless of religion) and which I've participated in more than once.

There are a bunch of rituals, but the one that always sticks in my mind is the sofreh haft sin, or table of seven "S"s—a table decorated with seven items that begin with the letter "S". One of the items is sabzeh (sprouts) which you have to begin growing a few weeks before Nowruz in order for them to be the right size at the right time, so every day you watch the process: life beginning, changing, growing...it's amazing how a dry little seed becomes a fresh, green living thing. You'd be surprised how oddly attached you can get to those little sprouts. ;)

A couple of days prior to the actual New Year (spring equinox) the sofreh haft sin is laid out. It can be very simple or extremely elaborate. Aside from the sprouts, the other living things are typically hyacinths, apples, and a goldfish in a bowl of water. All the items stay on the table for at least 12 days, which is the duration of the festival. then The 13th day is Sizdah Bedar, where everyone leaves the house and goes out for a picnic.

Of course, by this time the sprouts are overgrown and not looking so good as they're running out of space; the apples have begun to shrivel & rot, the hyacinths have long since faded & withered, and probably more than one goldfish has died.

But that's the thing, you see? It's like watching a macrocosm of life, but at super-fast speed: birth, youth, and the healthy rigor of "adulthood", followed by old age, decline and impending death. The whole process is quite poignant and triggers a lot of thoughts & emotions in a short period of time.

Anyway, back to the picnic. So everyone goes out and has a great time. Any goldfish that have survived are released into the nearest creek, and the now wilted sabzeh is tossed into the running water as well. Out with the old to make room for the new.

And the wheel that is the cycle of life keeps turning...

93 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:07:08pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

That is really cool. I hope to attend a part of that someday. Strikes me as fine ancient wisdom.


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