Hey everyone...Game 2 of the World Series was a nail-biter, with the Giants' Bumgarner and the Tigers' Fister both throwing very good games...fortunately, Detroit doesn't have much of a bull-pen to speak of, and it gave up two runs to the "underdogs" (if you listen to Fox Sports or the Vegas bookies) who now lead two games to none.

Travel day tomorrow, and then Saturday's game in Motor City where it promises to be a balmy thirty-something.

So Beautiful.
I hope when an advanced civilization digs through our ashes someday they will learn that Humanity was born with a song in our hearts.

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Meat Loaf endorses Romney

re: #4 Velvet Elvis

Meat Loaf endorses Romney

Mitt deserves him.

re: #4 Velvet Elvis

Meat Loaf endorses Romney

I would do anything for love... but I won't do that.

Okay, that's weird.

Was it because Ann said on the Rachel Ray show that Mitt's favorite dinner was meatloaf?

re: #6 Kragar

I would do anything for love... but I won't do that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

re: #6 Kragar

I would do anything for love... but I won't do that.

Mitt would do anyone for votes, including THAT >> Image: meat-loaf.jpg

re: #9 darthstar

Mitt would do anyone for votes, including THAT >> Image: meat-loaf.jpg

Oh, fuck it. I tried three times to link that fat greasy fucker who had a couple of good songs.

Oh goodie, Sandy might be here by Monday. Fun.

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I just tried to visit the Salem Communications sites (HotAir, Townhall), only to be redirected by the ISP to a search engine.

Is anyone else experiencing similar?

re: #4 Velvet Elvis

Keep in mind, this is a guy who said yes to a role in Spice World. Take from that what you will.

re: #13 Sophist, Gingham Style

Keep in mind, this is a guy who said yes to a role in Spice World. Take from that what you will.

Though he should have won an Oscar for his role in the Rocky Horror Pictures Show.

re: #10 darthstar

Oh, fuck it. I tried three times to link that fat greasy fucker who had a couple of good songs.

More than a couple...

and this one

is EPIC!!

(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).

No mention on any of the major news websites I see, about how Romney's campaign chair exhibited some of the clearest racism of the campaign season (and that's a category that has a lot of competition).

But basically all of them have front page stories about Meat Loaf at Romney's rally! And they made sure to have front page stories all day about Obama saying a naughty word!

Yep, that "liberal" media at work! Letting Romney skate by anything on his quest to become President.

re: #15 sagehen

More than a couple...

and this one

[Embedded content]

is EPIC!!

(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).

Yeah, he's got some good songs, but he huffed too much paint thinner, which is why he supports Romney - actually, I told my wife about his Romney endorsement and she said "Meatloaf has been living in Westport for too long."

re: #16 JamesWI

No mention on any of the major news websites I see, about how Romney's campaign chair exhibited some of the clearest racism of the campaign season (and that's a category that has a lot of competition).

But basically all of them have front page stories about Meat Loaf at Romney's rally! And they made sure to have front page stories all day about Obama saying a naughty word!

Yep, that "liberal" media at work! Letting Romney skate by anything on his quest to become President.

For balance, they're still out there, trying to convince folks that Willard has "momentum."

Obama calls Romney a "bullshitter" in upcoming Rolling Stone article.

Meat Loaf endorses Romney

he can endorse him, but i bet he can't cash him

That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?

Condi Rice Pours Cold Water On ‘Benghazi-Gate’

Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice broke with the majority of her party last night on Fox News, as she tried to hit the brakes on the right wing’s politicization of the recent attack in Libya.

Host Greta Van Susteren asked Rice directly and repeatedly about a set of emails uncovered by Reuters. In what has been dubbed “Benghazi-Gate,” the conservative media has jumped on the emails as definitive proof that the Obama administration has been lying about what it knew and when in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi. Rice’s response was likely not what Van Susteren expected:

RICE: But when things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what is really going on on the ground. And to my mind, the really important questions here are about how information was collected. Did the various agencies really coordinate and share intelligence in the way that we had hoped, with the reforms that were made after 9/11?

So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.

so, ok, they don't have poll updates in the middle of the night for crazy obsessed people

i bet next election there will be a continuously varying online poll dashboard for up to the second fictitious facts about who's winning

re: #22 Targetpractice

That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?

Condi Rice Pours Cold Water On ‘Benghazi-Gate’

RINO!!

re: #19 Velvet Elvis

Obama calls Romney a "bullshitter" in upcoming Rolling Stone article.

BREAKING: Mitt Romney is a bullshitter.

Oh, and it gets better. If you actually read the emails, the contents make the argument even more ridiculous. The first said that Stevens had made it into the consulate's safe room (he hadn't), and the second said that a response team was at the consulate within 90 minutes (undermines "Obama did nothing" myth). And the third email, the one which supposedly provides "proof" that the White House "knew" it was a terrorist attack, has yet to be verified because nobody can find the supposed Facebook or Twitter posts claiming responsibility.

re: #15 sagehen

More than a couple...

and this one

[Embedded content]

is EPIC!!

(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).

I am very conflicted on Ezra Pound. He is such an awesome poet and editor...I try hard to put myself in the place of people who fell for the fascist ideology back then, I fear I could easily have been one of them.

"On Saturday evening I was watching television when my daughter of 2 came out of her room to tell me that her doll was moving by itself. I assumed that it probably fell off the shelf so to satisfy her I got up and went to her room . when I got there to my surprise she had a stuffed troll doll dancing in the middle of her bedroom floor to a Disney movie playing music . Being raised in church I began pleading the blood of Jesus and commanded that spirit to leave then the doll went limp and fell over on the floor. I took the doll outside my house and burned it. what would cause something like this to happen?"

I don't know, but whatever it is that your on I don't want any, thanks anyway.

If the Bible describes demonic possession, then it is a fact. not a scientific fact, but God's own Literal Truth, against which science is powerless.

/

re: #29 AK-47%

Speaking of which, the Salem Communications websites are still not being reached by my ISP. Can you try to get to Townhall or HotAir?

I figure my ISP (Cox) is trying to spare me idiocy, or through some miracle the wingnuts have been... taken?

re: #26 Targetpractice

Yeah I read about the missing FB and twitter posts, of course now they say the posts the embassy cable mentioned were probably to some alternate accounts or something. You would think that the person who reported this would be able to just say where these supposed posts were seen without a lot of delay. Not going to hold my breath waiting though...

re: #30 freetoken

Hotair and Townhall are both up for me...

re: #32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Thanks.

I had to go to the corporate site (which ends in ".cc") and jump to the websites from their.

I don't know why, but Cox seems to like and vanish domain names now and then.

A quiet late night - good time for a trio:

re: #34 freetoken

hmmm i guess shumann or brahms

Hurricane Sandy is looking pretty scary, not to mention that it has horrible timing. First it is seriously going to mess up Halloween for an awful lot of people, although I doubt that will top many lists of gripes by those hit hard. Second, we really need a hurricane hitting the Northeast and possibly causing major damage a week before election day?

As if this election isn't worrisome enough already?

Morning, all

re: #35 engineer cat

Brahms I think (Piano Trio no.1?). Also considerably slower than usual it seems. It works really well.

re: #34 freetoken

Nice change of pace

TY

re: #38 Pip's Squeak

Yes, a Brahm trio.

Hmmm ...

Statute 12.07 (3)
No employer or agent of an employer may distribute to any employee printed matter containing any threat, notice or information that if a particular ticket of a political party or organization or candidate is elected or any referendum question is adopted or rejected, work in the employer's place or establishment will cease, in whole or in part, or the place or establishment will be closed, or the salaries or wages of the employees will be reduced, or other threats intended to influence the political opinions or actions of the employees.

So when Mike White sent this threatening email to his employees, it's pretty clear he was in violation of state law. I'm sure Governor Scott Walker and Wisconsin Republican Attorney J. B. Van Hollen will immediately set about correcting this grotesque, abusive, and obviously very illegal coercive behavior.

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Not very likely...

Wow...just wow...

The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never happened. The astoid that supposedly hit the earth was said to have effected the world worse than ALL the worlds nuclear missles all going off at once. This astroid burnt the earth and all that was in it to a crisp. then, molted rock was flung into orbit and back to earth again (Double death!) burning the earth again! THEN, burning acid rain fell on the earth, the worse fall in history! Anything that didn't of a shell or tough skin was going to burn. This theory is impossible!!

Ok I get that she thinks astoids are bad or something...
But what does thermodynamics have to do with people like Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, or Artie Shaw?

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She is confusing the Big Bang with the demise of the dinosaurs.

This proves again the basic problem we have with people like this regarding everything from the creation of the earth, through the origin of the species all the way to the debacle in Benghazi: they have no f*cking clue of what's going on and they are suspicious and even hostile towards anyone who is...

re: #43 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Wow...just wow...

Ok I get she has problems with astoids or something...
But what does thermodynamics have to do with people like Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, or Artie Shaw?

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Please pass onto to said moron that it was not the impact or heat from the impact which caused the extinction event, but the resulting fallout of debris in the atmosphere and its effects on the environment.

re: #45 Kragar

She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(

re: #46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(

Easy fix.

Stop using centuries old parables as scientific documentation.

So I move from Florida thinking I'd be hurricane free, right? Yea, see me Tuesday morning.
Morning Honcos.

re: #46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(

Don't know who you're talking about, but unless she's the unlikely 'patient zero' for this meme, she's recycling bullshit. The demon troll-doll has been around the block

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

'Morning, all.

New baby white rhino born at Busch Gardens
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Palm Beach County ballot flaw causes another recount
About 27,000 absentee ballots can't be digitally scanned because of a recently discovered design flaw. Elections workers began Monday duplicating the markings from bad ballots to new ones so that the votes could be recorded, an effort that has led some to question the accuracy of results.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

These fucking morons just can't get it right.

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Don't know who you're talking about, but unless she's the unlikely 'patient zero' for this meme, she's recycling bullshit. The demon troll-doll has been around the block

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

'Morning, all.

The doll one I pulled directly from the demonbusters site after being directed there from Christian Forums. Scary geo-cities 80s era looking site that plays organ hymns on the page...ughh. The one directly above is from Christian Forums in what was a discussion about whether or not there is evidence that the Big Bang happened before veering off the tracks and into the bushes.

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

Palm Beach County ballot flaw causes another recount
About 27,000 absentee ballots can't be digitally scanned because of a recently discovered design flaw. Elections workers began Monday duplicating the markings from bad ballots to new ones so that the votes could be recorded, an effort that has led some to question the accuracy of results.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

These fucking morons just can't get it right.

I really fear that we will need a weapons-grade, Contitutional crisis-spawning debcle of a national election before we are going to underatake the efforts needed to ensure that voter registration and vote counting is reliable, consistent and transparent.

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

Sovereign citizens. If Obama wins the EC without the PV, we are going to see guys like this popping out of the woodwork everywhere.

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

That's a standard 'sovereign citizen' fantasy. It's funny, except that these loons have been a bit more quick than others to shoot it out with cops. We seem to have a bunch of them around here, including one who had $300,000 in gold buried.

re: #55 AK-47%

Sovereign citizens. If Obama wins the EC without the PV, we are going to see guys like this popping out of the woodwork everywhere.

If that were to happen I would prolly spend my day looking at the comment sections of the Freepers and infowars. I love teh crazy!!!

"Sovereign citizen" is just another sort of Randian adolescent fantasy, leading to a refusal to accept the fact that even in a fully democratic society, the citizens are required to recognize a common set of laws and a common authority.

From my #52:
"I do not wish to consent to this arrest at this time," Szoradi replied.
Damn. I should have tried that...
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re: #58 AK-47%

"Sovereign citizen" is just another sort of Randian adolescent fantasy, leading to a refusal to accept the fact that even in a fully democratic society, the citizens are required to recognize a common set of laws and a common authority.

They are also driven by monetary motives. There are teams of them going about giving 'seminars' on how to avoid taxes and similar scams. A pyramid-scheme approach to religion and politics.

re: #53 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The doll one I pulled directly from the demonbusters site after being directed there from Christian Forums. Scary geo-cities 80s era looking site that plays organ hymns on the page...ughh. The one directly above is from Christian Forums in what was a discussion about whether or not there is evidence that the Big Bang happened before veering off the tracks and into the bushes.

Ha. Great site--put it on my list.

Holy Crap!!!

re: #60 Decatur Deb

They are also driven by monetary motives. There are teams of them going about giving 'seminars' on how to avoid taxes and similar scams. A pyramid-scheme approach to religion and politics.

that is the Randian aspect of it.

OCTOBER 25--A New York City cop allegedly discussed plans to “kidnap, rape, torture, kill, cook and eat the body parts of a number of women,” according to a felony complaint unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

WTF?

Morning, morning morningers!

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

OCTOBER 25--A New York City cop allegedly discussed plans to “kidnap, rape, torture, kill, cook and eat the body parts of a number of women,” according to a felony complaint unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

WTF?

{shudder}

So much for the pre-hiring psych eval

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

Scary that a cop could be so twisted...researchok has a page about it up.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #66 sattv4u2

Valle’s Facebook page--which was deleted early this afternoon--also contained broadsides against the “liberal court system” and Occupy Wall Street. “If you are reading this, and you support the Occupy Wall Street movement, DE-FRIEND ME IMMEDIATELY. I don't care who you are, but you are not wanted in my life,” he wrote earlier this year.

OMG!!! Valle's real name is KT!!!
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As a rule, I keep away from politics on FB, it is a pointless place to have a discussion and only causes problems. And besides, there are plenty of decent political blogsites.

Anybody here got a hint where I can find one?

/

re: #69 AK-47%

As a rule, I keep away from politics on FB, it is a pointless place to have a discussion and only causes problems. And besides, there are plenty of decent political blogsites.

Anybody here got a hint where I can find one?

/

Prison Planet seems quite sane.
/

San Francisco’s New ‘Tata Massage’ Parlor Offers $350 Face Slaps

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

Hell. I used to get those on Friday nights for free at the local nightclub!!

re: #71 sattv4u2

San Francisco’s New ‘Tata Massage’ Parlor Offers $350 Face Slaps

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

Hell. I used to get those on Friday nights for free at the local nightclub!!

The money quote

its license by the state of California to slap you.

re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar

Prison Planet seems quite sane.
/

Haven't been there since last election--off to do some cache-scrapeing.

I didn't stay up to watch the entire game last night. How badly did the Tigers get pounded?

I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...

There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...

What I said...

Lol...how very "Big Brotherish" of you.

The only way to protect freedom of speech is to lock up everyone who disagrees with what I say!

Hmm...I just checked my calender and it isn't April 1st so I guess you were serious when you wrote this, pity that. The Constitution you claim to be defending while arguing against perhaps its most central tenet specifically states that the charge of treason can only be applied against someone working in the service of a foreign power.

You see the framers of the Constitution came from a country where treason was sometimes whatever the King declared it to be at the moment. They limited the ability to charge people with treason in the Constitution in order to make sure that that kind of thing could not happen here. I find it ironic in a bizarre way that you are in favor of doing exactly what they sought to prevent while declaring it as necessary to preserve our freedom.

The first reply to my comment was...

It is people like you who will be swept up in the first wave of necessary purification. The treason executions need not be extensive. Maybe only five or six million treasonous Americans (plus homosexuals, atheists, and Mexicans) need be put to death to cleanse the nation.

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

re: #74 Sheila Broflovski

I didn't stay up to watch the entire game last night. How badly did the Tigers get pounded?

2-0

The Tigers bats are dormant after all that time off between the ALCS and the Series

re: #76 sattv4u2

Ty Cobb would not have let them throw him out at the plate. He always slid in feet first with razors on his shoes.

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

Then he should only drive on roads made by "Kingdom of Heaven", the good for nothing freeloader.

re: #78 Kragar

Then he should only drive on roads made by "Kingdom of Heaven", the good for nothing freeloader.

Those roads would be paved with gold.
/

re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar

Those roads would be paved with gold.
/

Sounds awfully slippery, especially in the Florida rains...

re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar

Those roads would be paved with gold.
/

Ahh,,, so he's in Alaska !!

I'm in hurricane country!!!

re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm in hurricane country!!!

Are they a member of the UN!?!

re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm in hurricane country!!!

Thats what you get for moving out of Florida...oh wait..?

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

I can accept anyone who engages in "civil disobedience" with full knowledge of the consequences of doing so and willingness to accept and endure them in order to make a point that they find a law or practice unjust.

But these are adolescent-minded pricks who demand some sort of special treatment because they are "special"

re: #85 AK-47%

They're "special" all right.

re: #85 AK-47%

But these are adolescent-minded pricks who demand some sort of special treatment because they are "special"

Reminds me of a protest some years ago in Boston
The authorities announced days before if "they" crossed line "X" they would be arrested, and would be detained in the old Boston Armory building

So ,, the day arrives, "they" cross the line "X", get arrested and escorted off to Armory building whereupon they complain about the the "accomodations"

Like they expected to be put up at the Hyatt

re: #87 sattv4u2

They could be put up at the Hyatt and these nutbars would still call it a FEMA camp.

re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar

Those roads would be paved with gold.
/

Avoid the roads paved with good intentions.

A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?

Breakfast then worky. See y'all tonight.

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The first reply to my comment was...

It is people like you who will be swept up in the first wave of necessary purification. The treason executions need not be extensive. Maybe only five or six million treasonous Americans (plus homosexuals, atheists, and Mexicans) need be put to death to cleanse the nation.

Where have I heard that before? Thinking. Thinking.

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Erik 'Adolf Hitler' Rush.

re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher

A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?

Don't give me lots of money.

re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher

A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?

Good list that reminds me why I don't bother with Hollywood any more than I do TV. I have never watched all of Gump and still want the time wasted seeing snippits returned to me. Ick.

re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher

A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?

I don't see a list, I see of slideshow of pictures without captions. WTF? How are we supposed to recognize movies to not see unless we have already seen them?

re: #96 Sheila Broflovski

I don't see a list, I see of slideshow of pictures without captions. WTF? How are we supposed to recognize movies to not see unless we have already seen them?

Got light-grey captions beneath the stills.

Yeah, its got shitty little hard to read captions. BBL, I have to get a halloween mask and go to the bank, wish me luck!

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

Another sovereign citizen moron. They ought to put him in jail for a couple of months to impress upon him that having a driver's license is not optional if one wishes to drive a car and that breaking the law is not a game.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Pro-Life Women Leaders Unify Behind Richard Mourdock bit.ly/Xov8YF #prolife #Inbdiana #tcot

— Steven Ertelt (@StevenErtelt) October 26, 2012

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Ahh a little genocidal advocacy with my coffee this morning. WTF.

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...

There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...

What I said...

The first reply to my comment was...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Congratulations to Mr. Erik Rush, for showing the world that fascism is alive and well on Weird Nut Daily!

/spits

re: #45 Kragar

Please pass onto to said moron that it was not the impact or heat from the impact which caused the extinction event, but the resulting fallout of debris in the atmosphere and its effects on the environment.

Yeah, it kinda changed the climate a bit.

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

From my #52:
"I do not wish to consent to this arrest at this time," Szoradi replied.
Damn. I should have tried that...
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I'm sure his request was duly noted as he was being cuffed.

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Another sovereign citizen moron. They ought to put him in jail for a couple of months to impress upon him that having a driver's license is not optional if one wishes to drive a car and that breaking the law is not a game.

Ever read Heinlein's "Coventry"? Let's make Gitmo into Coventry for these supposedly "sovereign" maroons...

re: #100 Sheila Broflovski

WTF is wrong with these people?

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They think Mourdock is right and that abortion is the killing of the innocent and thus wrong. Mourdock also stated the belief they share with him forthrightly, unlike Todd Akin who tried to bullshit his way past the obvious rape objection.

This is not intended as my agreement with Richard Mourdock's position, just my explanation of why those women would agree with him.

re: #100 Sheila Broflovski

WTF is wrong with these people?

[Embedded content]

Sisterhood Is Derpfull.

re: #54 AK-47%

I really fear that we will need a weapons-grade, Contitutional crisis-spawning debcle of a national election before we are going to underatake the efforts needed to ensure that voter registration and vote counting is reliable, consistent and transparent.

There will be a lot of opposition.

Good morning lizards!

I have to call my mom today and see if she wants to spend a few days down here. It looks like she's in the bullseye of the Frankenstorm up there in NJ. We are only supposed to get rain here in Virginia.

re: #22 Targetpractice

That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?

Condi Rice Pours Cold Water On ‘Benghazi-Gate’

Of all the things about modern American politics that piss me off, nothing, and I mean nothing, enrages me as much as the completely childish attaching of "-gate" to absolutely everything that has any negative connotations these days.

For pete's sake, US media and political personalities. Can we please come up with just a single original idea? Pretty please? These are the rhetorical tactics of 5 year olds, and it's freaking embarassing to watch adults engage in them.

re: #111 GunstarGreen

Of all the things about modern American politics that piss me off, nothing, and I mean nothing, enrages me as much as the completely childish attaching of "-gate" to absolutely everything that has any negative connotations these days.

For pete's sake, US media and political personalities. Can we please come up with just a single original idea? Pretty please? These are the rhetorical tactics of 5 year olds, and it's freaking embarassing to watch adults engage in them.

Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.

re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis

Ever read Heinlein's "Coventry"? Let's make Gitmo into Coventry for these supposedly "sovereign" maroons...

This goofball wasn't even a citizen, which makes it even dumber.

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I Recommended that to Charles. Freaking outlandish nuttery needs the light of day shined on it.

Dude fully Godwined himself.

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.

Yeah, "Gate" has seen better days in the last 40 years. Maybe tag "Iraq" at the end of all bad things.

This didn't take long. (I should have sold that bridge)

Syria cease-fire broken hours after it begins; 3 reported dead in early fighting

re: #100 Sheila Broflovski

WTF is wrong with these people?

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It is entirely possible to simultaneously be female and value what you perceive to be life over a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.

One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.

That said, there are many interesting anecdotes out there about pro-life protesters getting abortions done on the side, then going right back to protesting. Some portion of it (I am not qualified to say what size) is Teabagger-style "exceptions for me and mine of course" reasoning.

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

This didn't take long. (I should have sold that bridge)

Syria cease-fire broken hours after it begins; 3 reported dead in early fighting

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's going well
Syria conflict: Eid al-Adha ceasefire - live updates

re: #115 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, "Gate" has seen better days in the last 40 years. Maybe tag "Iraq" at the end of all bad things.

That would not be appropriate. American soldiers and marines fought and died in Iraq; To reduce the war they fought in to a scandal suffix would be to dishonor the dead of that conflict and the conflict's veterans.

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's going well
Syria conflict: Eid al-Adha ceasefire - live updates

Although activists claimed up to 19 people have been killed this is relatively low by recent bloody standards in the Syrian conflict.

It's pretty sad when 19 deaths is considered a 'relatively low bloody standard'.

re: #117 GunstarGreen

It is entirely possible to simultaneously be female and value what you perceive to be life over a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.

One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.

That said, there are many interesting anecdotes out there about pro-life protesters getting abortions done on the side, then going right back to protesting. Some portion of it (I am not qualified to say what size) is Teabagger-style "exceptions for me and mine of course" reasoning.

Personally I am pro-Life. I have 9 children and I have never had an abortion. But at the same time I can't imagine telling another woman (which BTW includes my own daughters) what she should do or not do.

Found and played this Obama vid last night, searching out Lena Dunham. It's really much more broad and powerful messaging:

The gop house of horrors. Exclusively For Women. twitter.com/amk4obama/stat...

— amk4obama (@amk4obama) October 26, 2012

re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...

There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...

What I said...

The first reply to my comment was...

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Egads....

re: #117 GunstarGreen

One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.

This isn't true. Aside from the one issue of abortion, 'pro-life' (by which I mean those with the political stance that abortion should be banned or strictly limited, not those who limit their own actions based on their own ethics) people do not treat zygotes as though they are human life.

In addition, the related positions held by most anti-abortion people clearly shows that the interest is in punishing women for sexuality, not defending life.

Image: prolifebeliefchart.gif

re: #121 Sheila Broflovski

Personally I am pro-Life. I have 9 children and I have never had an abortion. But at the same time I can't imagine telling another woman (which BTW includes my own daughters) what she should do or not do.

I feel the same way, but I call myself pro-choice.

re: #111 GunstarGreen

Watergategate.

How about we add -ghazi to the end of every petty faux controversy?

re: #125 Obdicut

This isn't true. Aside from the one issue of abortion, 'pro-life' people do not treat zygotes as though they are human life.

In addition, the related positions held by most anti-abortion people clearly shows that the interest is in punishing women for sexuality, not defending life.

Image: prolifebeliefchart.gif

Pro-lifers (and a lot of "conservatives" in general) don't hold their positions solely because they think it's right, it's also about having and wielding control over others, as that graphic succinctly illustrates.

Breaking:

Canadian Embassy in Washington evacuated, police say

The Canadian Embassy in Washington has been evacuated and surrounding streets are being closed after a suspicious package was found inside, Washington police said.

Police said an envelope with a white substance was found.

A law enforcement team that deals with chemical, biological and hazardous materials was at the scene, police spokesman Araz Alali said.

The 400 to 600 blocks of Pennsylvania Avenue have been closed.

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm not quite sure what to make of the fact that the NYT is trying to claim that the ceasefire is largely holding in Syria, when evidence suggests the contrary. The Times' evidence is that the intensity of fighting is down.

I'd say that the situation's akin to a grappling session in the middle round of a heavyweight bout for the championship belt in boxing. After sparring and landing killer jabs and trading body blows, both sides are warily accepting that this is going the distance. They'll still try to trade blows during this ceasefire, which is as much as an ability to regroup and rearm as it is about actually providing a ceasefire opportunity for the Islamic holiday ongoing this weekend.

The violence and body count continue to rise, and it will rise still more after the weekend. More to the point, the violence and the threat of wider violence continues to creep over the borders into Turkey and Lebanon.

Also, the notion of "ceasefire" itself opens itself up to parody when experts claim that the notion of an absolute ceasefire (no violence) isn't possible, and everyone simply hopes for a reduction in the intensity of fighting. That's an incredibly low standard by even already ridiculously low standards.

Neither side is going to back down, and the fighting will continue.

I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.

Are you following this?

re: #132 Sheila Broflovski

I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.

Are you following this?

Thank you for reminding me again why I don't twitter...

re: #132 Sheila Broflovski

I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.

Are you following this?

Yep, following clear.

Over and out for now, I have an interview. BBL

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Yep, following clear.

Over and out for now, I have an interview. BBL

Good luck!

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Yep, following clear.

Over and out for now, I have an interview. BBL

Good luck

The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.

A federal appeals court, on Thursday, refused to grant another hearing to the organization, a decision that stops the organization's fight against Texas' effort to ban state funding for Planned Parenthood affiliates.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry applauded the decision, by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

"Today's ruling affirms yet again that in Texas the Women's Health Program has no obligation to fund Planned Parenthood and other organizations that perform or promote abortion. In Texas we choose life, and we will immediately begin defunding all abortion affiliates to honor and uphold that choice," Perry said.

The decision continues a legal struggle that has been going on for months.
The Texas Women's Health Program provides about 130,000 low-income women with family planning exams, related health screenings and contraception.

Texas opposed government funding for Planned Parenthood clinics because the organization provides abortions.

The state said in March that it was willing to give up funding from Washington and run the Women's Health Program itself.

Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.

But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.

re: #132 Sheila Broflovski

I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.

Are you following this?

The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.

re: #133 AK-47%

Thank you for reminding me again why I don't twitter...

Amen.

re: #138 GunstarGreen

The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.

I Tweet because I don't Facebook.

re: #133 AK-47%

Thank you for reminding me again why I don't twitter...

That, and the way it encourages speaking without thinking. I delete more than half the emails and posts and comments I write before sending. Tweets, though seem to push "now or never."

re: #137 lawhawk

The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.

Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.

But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.

Basically a court ruling that it is not illegal for a state or other entity to act stupidly.

And Texas does something for ideological purity that has a negative effect on its citizens. Once again forgetting that they are there to serve the people, not the people to server them.

re: #137 lawhawk

The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.

Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.

But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.

Remember, these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an institution, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood in the first place...

re: #138 GunstarGreen

The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.

I like it when the porn-bots follow me...makes me feel sexy and attractive for twelve hours until twitter admin comes in and deletes them.

Mornin' all...

re: #142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Basically a court ruling that it is not illegal for a state or other entity to act stupidly.

And Texas does something for ideological purity that has a negative effect on its citizens. Once again forgetting that they are there to serve the people, not the people to server them.

I suspect it is a mix of ideological purists who really believe this stuff working hand in hand with a number of cynical bastards who see this as political posturing.

Always a great combination, look at how well it works for immigration, gun control and drug policy...

re: #143 AK-47%

Remember, these people are not just against ÜPlanned Parenthood as an institution, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood in the first place...

Yep, pregnancy can come out of the blue or just out of an alleyway the women happens to be walking by and pulled into. All the will of dog.

re: #131 lawhawk

Word is Hezbollah is going into Syria to help Assad...

Hezbollah sending more fighters to back the Syrian regime

...Evidence shows that Hezbollah is sending ever more fighters across the border to back the Syrian regime. Its supporters have thronged to the Bekaa valley for funerals of militants – including that of a senior commander whom Hezbollah said died on “jihadist duties”, without specifying where.

The movement’s increased involvement threatens to further destabilise Lebanon, which is already reeling from the assassination of Wissam al-Hassan, a top intelligence chief, a week ago. Many speculate that the Syrian regime or its proxies were behind the killing.

Meanwhile Assad is increasing his collection of chemical weapons...

Exclusive: U.S. Rushes to Stop Syria from Expanding Chemical Weapon Stockpile

The regime of embattled Syrian dictator Bashar Assad is actively working to enlarge its arsenal of chemical weapons, U.S. officials tell Danger Room. Assad’s operatives have tried repeatedly in recent months to buy up the precursor chemicals for deadly nerve agents like sarin, even as his country plunges further and further into a civil war. The U.S. and its allies have been able to block many of these sales. But that still leaves Assad’s scientists with hundreds of metric tons of dangerous chemicals that could be turned into some of the world’s most gruesome weapons.

“Assad is weathering everything the rebels throw at him. Business is continuing as usual,” one U.S. official privy to intelligence on Syria says. “They’ve been busy little bees.”

I have no idea why he wants more. Doesn't he have enough?

re: #146 Eventual Carrion

Yep, pregnancy can come out of the blue or just out of an alleyway the women happens to be walking by and pulled into. All the will of dog.

Women who have sex for any other reason than to conceive are sluts. Even married ones...

Another reason for Erick Ericksion to get his panties in a twist over the sexy new Obama ad...Putin had one just like it!!! OMGZ.

There's obviously no way that two people could have independently come up with the same lame joke blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/...

— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) October 26, 2012

re: #140 Sheila Broflovski

I Tweet because I don't Facebook.

I don't Failbook either. I have never, don't, and will never get in bed with Mark "My users are stupid fucks for trusting me with their data" Zuckerberg.

Social media in general. If someone wants to talk to me, they talk to my face, or at the least-personal, over the phone. Seems to have been working alright so far.

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.

I've always been partial to "affair" for my political scandals. Doesn't "The Benghazi Affair" sound so much more salacious :)

Car bomb explodes in southern Damascus; initial reports of large numbers of casualties: activists

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) October 26, 2012

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

I have no idea why he wants more. Doesn't he have enough?

I think the idea is to use this stuff as a bargaining chip. The more they have the more they can get for it in negotiations. There's news the Iranians are doing the same thing this morning.
Iran finishing work on nuclear plant

Iran has nearly completed a nuclear enrichment plant, possibly giving the country leverage against sanctions by the United States and its allies, experts said.

Workers have installed the last of nearly 3,000 centrifuges at the underground site called Fordo, near the holy city of Qum, inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency said.

The centrifuges are only operating at about half capacity, but the progress puts Iran on the brink of creating a nuclear weapon, The New York Times reported Friday.

re: #140 Sheila Broflovski

I Tweet because I don't Facebook.

I put nothing on FB unless I am okay with the entire world seeing/reading it...I have scrubbed all personal information and keep things completely bland and neutral, keep out of politics, etc...

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

Car bomb would indicate rebels/terrorists and not Assad's loyalist forces. I expect a significant number of casualties, and what's left of the ceasefire will go by the boards within a few hours as Assad's forces attempt to repulse ongoing rebel efforts along the Aleppo/Damascus highway or carry out further airstrikes/artillery attacks.

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Breaking:

Canadian Embassy in Washington evacuated, police say

Hey now, what did we Canucks ever do to you guys, eh?

re: #156 dragonfire1981

Hey now, what did we Canucks ever do to you guys, eh?

Bryan Adams and Celine Dione

re: #156 dragonfire1981

Hey now, what did we Canucks ever do to you guys, eh?

Justin Bieber.

re: #157 danarchy

Bryan Adams and Celine Dione

That bitch Anne Murray too.

/South Park

Now, now, we have apologized repeatedly for Celine Dion.

:P

re: #156 dragonfire1981

Hey now, what did we Canucks ever do to you guys, eh?

William Shatner

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.

I read that as Concurgate...so there is a conspiracy.

Bryan Fischer's message to America: if Obama wins, we're doomed. bit.ly/U1EWTF

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 26, 2012

re: #163 Lidane

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Am I imagining this, or are the only people who pay attention to Bryan Fischer people who hate the fucker?

re: #156 dragonfire1981

Rush. 100 years from now, when it's 2112, we'll be praying at the Temple of Syrinx and wondering what happened to the Clockwork Angels and realize that it was a bunch of Carnies who found themselves in the Big Money after getting their start as working men doing Tom Sawyer-type jobs in the subdivisions around YYZ.

re: #159 Lidane

That bitch Anne Murray too.

/South Park

Their beady eyes and flapping heads, and all their hockey hullabaloo.

Blame Canada!

Proud Mother Against Canada (even though I have a Canadian son)

Heh:

God Distances Self From Christian Right

Responding to inflammatory remarks made by Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock during a debate Tuesday night, Our Lord God the Almighty Father sought today to distance Himself from both Mourdock and the entire right-wing fundamentalist Christian movement, sources confirmed.

“I want to make one thing absolutely clear: Mr. Mourdock’s comments from last night in no way reflect my position on this or any other issue,” said the Divine Creator, speaking at a press conference this afternoon to address Mourdock’s remarks that rape-induced pregnancies were God’s intent. “And furthermore, I would like to take this opportunity to say definitively that I, God, do not officially sanction or condone the words or actions of anyone involved in the fanatical, conservative Christian faction that Mr. Mourdock represents.”

“Many people hear my name in connection with the Christian Right and start to assume we are aligned in some capacity, and I’m here to say, for the record, that we are not,” God continued. “So let me just be clear: I don’t want women to get raped—not ever. I don’t think their resulting pregnancies are my divine will. And if a woman is raped, then she has the right to get an abortion, period. I do not agree with Mourdock. I do not agree with the Christian Right. End of story.”

On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?

Try being Canadian.

You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).

That means when a Canadian act makes it big like Bieber, Nickelback, Bryan Adams and Celine Dion, the radio stations can both play their hit songs and fulfill their "can con" requirement. As a result, these songs and acts get BEATEN TO DEATH on the radio and we Canadians get sick of them before anyone else even has a chance to.

I remember when Alanis Morrissette made it big in the early 90s with "Jagged little pill". Not only is she Canadian, she just so happens to be from my hometown (where I was living at the time). So of course the local radio stations plastered the airwaves with nearly wall-to-wall Alanis.

I suppose I should be thankful the "can con" policy didn't drive me away from the Barenaked Ladies.

As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV. They were meant to be over the top parodies of goofy Canadian stereotypes but, as often happens with such things, they actually became a hit and are now a fondly remember piece of Canadian nostalgia.

re: #163 Lidane

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See now if I was Obama, I'd have some fun with that. My first post election comments would be: "Hello everybody and welcome to the end of the world!"

re: #167 Lidane

Heh:

God Distances Self From Christian Right

Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...

Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.

I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.

re: #170 AK-47%

Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...

Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.

I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.

So it was the beliefs your parents held that turned you off rather than their more or less forcing religion on you as a child? I ask this because my dad had a Catholic upbringing but is now Atheist and I'd guess he had similar experiences to what you did.

I've never asked him about it but plan to soon.

My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.

I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.

Having trouble thinking about a present for your favorite moonbat during the holiday season? Look no further...

Che Guevara condoms: A necessity for every bedroom attack

BBL. Gotta go vote.

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

BBL. Gotta go vote.

Vote early, vote often!
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Colbert's Offer To Trump: I'll Donate $1 Million To Charity If 'You Let Me Dip My Balls In Your Mouth' mediaite.com/a/rewqi

— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) October 26, 2012

re: #176 Lidane

Colbert's Offer To Trump: I'll Donate $1 Million To Charity If 'You Let Me Dip My Balls In Your Mouth'

I want to see George Soros offer Mitt Romney $10 million if he releases his tax returns by October 31st...

re: #177 AK-47%

I want to see George Soros offer Mitt Romney $10 million if he releases his tax returns by October 31st...

I thought Mitt Romney already did that.

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Mitt Romney already did that.

Already did what?

re: #177 AK-47%

$10 million if he releases his tax returns for tax years 1999-2011 by Oct 31 to Soros' satisfaction.

Let's see how Trump and his idiot followers stumble around and try to parse that iteration when Trump demands the same of Obama.

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This bird just downdinged this thread. Music hater?

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Mitt Romney already did that.

No. Romney doesn't think you deserve to see his tax returns. He just wants to be your president, after all, no reason he should do what his father did and be honest with the American people.

However, since you've said you'd vote for him even if he's a felon who lied under oath in order to cheat someone out of money, I don't think you mind.

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Mitt Romney already did that.

So, Romey BS'ed you, too, eh?

re: #181 wrenchwench

This bird just downdinged this thread. Music hater?

Some people are just peevish.

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

He offered up a single year's return and then a summation provided by his accountants that shed just a tiny amount of light on what he's actually submitted to the IRS. That summation indicates that Romney actually went against his own advice where one year of that summation indicates that he purposefully undercounted his charitable giving so as to avoid appearing as though he paid an effective tax rate of less than a certain percentage. Romney himself has claimed that if someone did precisely that (paid more in tax than he was allowed under the IRC, that person should not be elected president).

re: #168 dragonfire1981

On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?

Try being Canadian.

You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).

That means when a Canadian act makes it big like Bieber, Nickelback, Bryan Adams and Celine Dion, the radio stations can both play their hit songs and fulfill their "can con" requirement. As a result, these songs and acts get BEATEN TO DEATH on the radio and we Canadians get sick of them before anyone else even has a chance to.

I remember when Alanis Morrissette made it big in the early 90s with "Jagged little pill". Not only is she Canadian, she just so happens to be from my hometown (where I was living at the time). So of course the local radio stations plastered the airwaves with nearly wall-to-wall Alanis.

I suppose I should be thankful the "can con" policy didn't drive me away from the Barenaked Ladies.

As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV. They were meant to be over the top parodies of goofy Canadian stereotypes but, as often happens with such things, they actually became a hit and are now a fondly remember piece of Canadian nostalgia.

They should bring back Wayne & Shuster.

re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

They should bring back Wayne & Shuster.

From the dead?

re: #168 dragonfire1981

As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV.

So it's all worth it in the end!

re: #187 Sheila Broflovski

From the dead?

It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?

re: #185 lawhawk

He offered up a single year's return and then a summation provided by his accountants that shed just a tiny amount of light on what he's actually submitted to the IRS. That summation indicates that Romney actually went against his own advice where one year of that summation indicates that he purposefully undercounted his charitable giving so as to avoid appearing as though he paid an effective tax rate of less than a certain percentage. Romney himself has claimed that if someone did precisely that (paid more in tax than he was allowed under the IRC, that person should not be elected president).

And, in doing so, tacity admitted that he was not paying enough in taxes...

re: #189 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?

Sturgeon's law.

re: #189 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?

It would make a good South Park episode: "Terrance & Phillip terrorized by Zombie Wayne & Shuster!"

re: #168 dragonfire1981

On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?

Try being Canadian.

You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).

CanCon also got us Trooper, Streetheart, Rough Trade, Harlequin, Nick Gilder, The Pikes, Queen City Kids (have you sensed a trend yet?), Colin James & The Tragically Hip to name a few.

re: #192 Sheila Broflovski

It would make a good South Park episode: "Terrance & Phillip terrorized by Zombie Wayne & Shuster!"

Zombie Canadian entertainers take over South Park - led by old vaudevillians.

(There's an old Time/Life book series on WW2. One of the last books has a short sub-section on entertainers and such like the USO. It also includes a picture of Wayne and Shuster in uniform and handcuffed to a tree.)

US Economy grew 2% in 3Q 2012. That boosts the overall year to date to 1.74%, which is behind last year's pace, but still indicates the economy is improving.

Geraldo pleads with Fox News: "Stop this politicizing" of Libya thkpr.gs/ScRg6V

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 26, 2012

Oh, brother. Here come the GDP truthers: mm4a.org/PUIfAa #p2

— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 26, 2012

It's morning, again.

We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.

you?

re: #196 Lidane

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Geraldo's got a lot of brass calling out Fox News for their perceived misdeeds IRT their Libya reporting.

His own career hasn't exactly been exemplary, if you know what I mean...

re: #198 Gretchen G.Tiger

It's morning, again.

We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.

you?

Hey there good luck with the allergies... Congrats BTW blogging open now? Welcome to da club.

re: #198 Gretchen G.Tiger

It's morning, again.

We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.

you?

Knee still bothering me.

Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)

Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.

re: #172 AK-47%

My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.

I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.

Yeah, that would pretty much do it for me too!

I went to RC school and never saw anything like that.

re: #170 AK-47%

Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...

Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.

I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.

People who didn't grow-up RC can't understand. Thus, we have those Converts. . . ..

re: #169 dragonfire1981

See now if I was Obama, I'd have some fun with that. My first post election comments would be: "Hello everybody and welcome to the end of the world!"

Chanelling Douglas Adam?

re: #200 Daniel Ballard

Hey there good luck with the allergies... Congrats BTW blogging open now? Welcome to da club.

dunno. Just did it.

REVIEW: a black person voting Obama = racist. White person voting Obama = socialist. A woman voting Obama = slut. Hispanic=voter fraud.

— Holy GOP (@HolyGOP) October 26, 2012

re: #172 AK-47%

My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.

I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.

My upbringing was very non-dogmatic. Sunday school - but at the UU church my mother attended. My father was non-practicing Catholic and was probably pretty much an atheist at that point I think. It's just not something we discussed as a family.

And it didn't come up much among my friends and social set. Mostly RC, but no one was overtly forward about it. Ran into a few evangelicals in high school, but they came across as odd.

So I had a pretty simple "live and let live" attitude up until college. That was were I got exposed to nut-job "our way or burn" types. And the lack of pushback towards them from their fellows was what started me down the road towards default suspicion about religions and their agendas. Helped along by reading further history at an adult level and getting knowledge in greater detail on the abuses and such carried out in $diety's name. (With the later decision was that this in essence was actually just the cover story for abuse and murder for the sake of control and keeping power.)

REVIEW: a black person voting Obama = racist. White person voting Obama = socialist. A woman voting Obama = slut. Hispanic=voter fraud.

Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.

re: #205 Gretchen G.Tiger

dunno. Just did it.

If my last name was Tiger I'd do it too!!

Now we know why you post all those kittehs...

re: #208 Mattand

Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.

Any gay or woman voting Romney = the above plus deeply set sense of self-loathing

re: #205 Gretchen G.Tiger

dunno. Just did it.

(python)
Flying Tiger of the Yard?!?
(/python)

re: #210 AK-47%

Any gay or woman voting Romney = the above plus deeply set sense of self-loathing

Or just a different identification set taking priority.

Do you hear that? The fireworks and cheering erupting over the world?
The NBA Commish, Stern announced his retirement for 2014. Woot!

Good Morning from a freezing day in Oklahoma. I got a spam call today on my work cell phone. I have a feeling this is how it all begins...Now why in the world the Chinese do not spam Stern's cell I'll never know..probably slacking.
/

re: #207 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My upbringing was very non-dogmatic. Sunday school - but at the UU church my mother attended. My father was non-practicing Catholic and was probably pretty much an atheist at that point I think. It's just not something we discussed as a family.

And it didn't come up much among my friends and social set. Mostly RC, but no one was overtly forward about it. Ran into a few evangelicals in high school, but they came across as odd.

So I had a pretty simple "live and let live" attitude up until college. That was were I got exposed to nut-job "our way or burn" types. And the lack of pushback towards them from their fellows was what started me down the road towards default suspicion about religions and their agendas. Helped along by reading further history at an adult level and getting knowledge in greater detail on the abuses and such carried out in $diety's name. (With the later decision was that this in essence was actually just the cover story for abuse and murder for the sake of control and keeping power.)

Sort of similar here. Brought up Catholic, taught that God and Jesus were real, but it wasn't anything that dominated our lives. It was something you just did.

As I got older, I morphed into a kind lazy deist; there was a definitely a God, but I just let it go at that. Never once questioned that evolution was real and stuff like that.

Between 9/11 and watching my mom die 3 weeks before she could see her 1st grandson born, I finally figured out that modern religions were really no different than the mythical pantheons of old. The big difference now is that many of the believers have access to way more destructive weapons than our ancestors.

I really try to maintain a live-and-let-live attitude. If God, or Allah, or Crom or Moroni get you through the day, fine. Just keep it out of my government, and if I say I don't believe, don't start screaming like a jackass about the horrible atheist oppressing you.

re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Knee still bothering me.

Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)

Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.

Sorry about the knee. Last couple of weeks of weather changes/seasonal changes have been making my joints complain as well. It'll get better when it finally freezes.

re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Knee still bothering me.

Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)

Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.

What's your take on the Philly area being washed away, as the news reports are starting to gear up about? The better half wants to stock up on water and foodstuffs in case it gets out of hand, but I'm kinda thinking it won't be that bad.

Hard to tell; she grew up in New Orleans, so she knows of what she speaks when it comes to hurricanes. Plus, my sister's in-laws are closer to the shore and got hammered in that storm earlier this year. No power for a week.

I had a I guess what you call casual religious upbringing. I was baptized Catholic as were my brothers. I briefly did CCD but my parents let me quit when I was bored with it. My parents both came from religious families. Though my Dad's parents became more spiritual as they broke away from the church on issues like contraception. I had a period where I was totally Atheist because I was disgusted with what was done in the name of religion. Had another period where I became close to a Christian but I've since left that too. If I'm anything now it's probably close to a Deistic agnostic where I think if there's something out there, it's let and let live. I still do hate evils and bigotry being done in the name of religion though.

re: #215 Gretchen G.Tiger

Sorry about the knee. Last couple of weeks of weather changes/seasonal changes have been making my joints complain as well. It'll get better when it finally freezes.

This one is either a strain or a gout flare-up. Not sure which. So it's Motrin and try to keep it elevated and iced when not at work. Luckily it has not swollen to the point of generating constant pain - just very tight feeling if I bend it more than 45 degrees.

On the plus side the last few days the Feline Overlord seems to be doing better. More energetic and also has a good appetite. Need to stock up on cat food tomorrow...

re: #214 Mattand

Sort of similar here. Brought up Catholic, taught that God and Jesus were real, but it wasn't anything that dominated our lives. It was something you just did.

As I got older, I morphed into a kind o lazy deist; there was a definitely a God, but I just let it go at that. Never once questioned that evolution was real and stuff like that.

Between 9/11 and watching my mom die 3 weeks before she could see her 1st grandson born, I finally figured out that modern religions were really no different than mythical pantheons of old. The big difference now is that many of the believers have access to way more destructive weapons than our ancestors.

I really try to maintain a live-and-let-live attitude. If God, or Allah, or Crom or Maroni get you through the day, fine. Just keep it out of my government, and if I say I don't believe, don't start screaming like a jackass about the horrible atheist oppressing you.

Believing in the concept of G-d is difficult these days. At least in conversation--I never know if people believe as I do --that humans are not the masters of the universe and beyond that who the fuck knows? - or they truly believe there is some sky-god out there and that we must praise his hame LOUDLY.

I understand that there are different levels of thinking and that children and some others have minds that can't grasp the metaphysical way I think about things. And that makes we worry.

re: #208 Mattand

Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.

An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays

I'll say this, if I have a creed, it's live life to the best and not in fear of Hell. We're only on this earth once. Have some fun while living it.

re: #220 sagehen

An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays

But, they have also done a complete DARVO in their own minds, and think that Obama is responsible for the financial meltdown.

re: #220 sagehen

An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays

At least, they're honest about their party's intentions. It beats the "I'm moderate to liberal on social issues but I'm really concerned about the deficit and taxes so I'll support Romney." There has been nothing that Romney has shown that shows he's a true deficit hawk or that his tax plans will benefit the middle class.

re: #220 sagehen

An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays

Also, the fact there's a black dude with a Muslim-sounding name in the White House. That's a much bigger factor in the supposed horse racy-ness in this election than many (including the MSM) want to admit.

re: #223 HappyWarrior

At least, they're honest about their party's intentions. It beats the "I'm moderate to liberal on social issues but I'm really concerned about the deficit so I'll support Romney." There has been nothing that Romney has shown that shows he's a true deficit hawk.

Romney is gonna beat the deficit by Building MOAR BATTLESHIPS and killing PBS and Obamacare.

re: #224 Mattand

Also, the fact there's a black dude with a Muslim-sounding name in the White House. That's a much bigger factor in the supposed horse racy-ness in this election than many (including the MSM) want to admit.

Yeah you see some of the quotes that are said about Obama and it's just amazing. I read a snippet from an article about a Romney debate watch party in Vegas and one woman was screaming "No, she didn't!" when Obama talked about how his mother worked hard to raise him. There's a real hatred for Obama out there simply because of his ethnic background and the media by and large cosigns off on that especially when they give Donald Trump air time.

re: #216 Mattand

What's your take on the Philly area being washed away, as the news reports are starting to gear up about? The better half wants to stock up on water and foodstuffs in case it gets out of hand, but I'm kinda thinking it won't be that bad.

Hard to tell; she grew up in New Orleans, so she knows of what she speaks when it comes to hurricanes. Plus, my sister's in-laws are closer to the shore and got hammered in that storm earlier this year. No power for a week.

I think it will come through like the one last year - but for a longer duration. Bands of heavy rain and wind, but nothing quite disastrous. However, probably local flooding since it's late enough in autumn that the trees are not pulling up water as much; e.g. more water directly into the streams and creeks.

Whether or not there are widespread power outages will be the key. I'll probably fill up some extra water bottles, and I planned on shopping tomorrow anyways and cook food for a week's meals on Sunday regardless.

But having the emergency kit reviewed and stocked up is probably not a bad idea since following this is the rest of winter.

re: #225 Sheila Broflovski

Romney is gonna beat the deficit by Building MOAR BATTLESHIPS and killing PBS and Obamacare.

Yep. Really, people give him way too much credit on the economy. I think part of that is him not being Obama for some but I still think in general he gets way too much credit on that issue. I don't care if he was a businessman or not. His rhetoric and policy plans would worsen the debt and tax burden not help it.

HAV MOAR DERP

Catastrophic global warming alert: Growth of Antarctic sea ice accelerated 53% since 2006. hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/new-st...

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 26, 2012

re: #219 Gretchen G.Tiger

Believing in the concept of G-d is difficult these days. At least in conversation--I never know if people believe as I do --that humans are not the masters of the universe and beyond that who the fuck knows? - or they truly believe there is some sky-god out there and that we must praise his hame LOUDLY.

I understand that there are different levels of thinking and that children and some others have minds that can't grasp the metaphysical way I think about things. And that makes we worry.

Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.

I worked with the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life for a few years. It's amazing how many people credit their survival to God and footnote the doctors and science that actually saved him.

Where the fuck was He when you got the cancer in the first place? Running scrimmage with Tim Tebow?

What's really heartbreaking is the parents of kids with cancer. I can't imagine the agony involved with watching your child suffer like that. If there was any sort of god watching over us, kids would not be dying of disease, starvation or abuse. Period.

re: #230 Mattand

Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.

I think the RCC is a lot less monolithic than is sometimes appreciated. Growing up, fire and brimstone and fear were nearly absent. Certainly nothing like what some of my evangelical friends heard.

Guilt was still there of course, because let's be serious.

re: #230 Mattand

Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.

I worked with the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life for a few years. It's amazing how many people credit their survival to God and footnote the doctors and science that actually saved him.

Where the fuck was He when you got the cancer in the first place? Running scrimmage with Tim Tebow?

What's really heartbreaking is the parents of kids with cancer. I can't imagine the agony involved with watching your child suffer like that. If there was any sort of god watching over us, kids would not be dying of disease, starvation or abuse. Period.

Here we get into semantics again. G-d as a definition of the whole of creation--or god as a sky king.

1st definition would encompass the doctors and all who somehow came together to help cure disease. (I Pencil and all that). Some mythical being --Santa's buddy--not so much, IMHO.

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

It is improbable that the framers of the Constitution anticipated a situation in which the press were entirely given over to seditious, anti-American policies. If they had, it is likely that their modus operandi would be similar to that for any faction found guilty of high crimes. Trials for treason and the requisite sentences would apply, and I would have no qualms about seeing such sentences executed, no matter how severe...

...Those whose speech and actions impinge upon the God-given rights set forth in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution are, by definition, excepted from protection under the First Amendment (as well as the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment). This is a very important concept to consider, because it is based on these presumptions of protected speech and equal protection for all that progressives and socialists have engaged in their predation upon our liberties.

If these truths can be acknowledged and widely accepted as such (as opposed to progressives’ Orwellian interpretations), then the political disenfranchisement of liberals, progressives, socialists and Marxists can begin in earnest, and in the open.

re: #231 erik_t

I think the RCC is a lot less monolithic than is sometimes appreciated. Growing up, fire and brimstone and fear were nearly absent. Certainly nothing like what some of my evangelical friends heard.

Guilt was still there of course, because let's be serious.

I grew-up after Vatican II and didn't have the Baltimore Catechism. I learned about a loving G-d --Jesus was a shepherd. It was the Church on Earth I had issues with from grade school on.

I was told that Man was born with original sin and and the same time that the Men at the Vatican were infallible. I recognized, probably as early as 4th grade, that was Bullshit.

re: #232 Gretchen G.Tiger

Here we get into semantics again. G-d as a definition of the whole of creation--or god as a sky king.

1st definition would encompass the doctors and all who somehow came together to help cure disease. (I Pencil and all that). Some mythical being --Santa's buddy--not so much, IMHO.

I get what you're saying, but can't really agree with it. Partly because most people don't take that sort of bigger-picture view on the whole shebang.

People helping people is one of humanity's strengths and is something we should take credit for, and not hand it off to some spiritual construct.

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm so frickin' tired of the the Cannonization of the Founders.

I have great respect for each individual--and awe that events conspired to create this country at all.

Yet, they were flawed individuals as well. Men who argued and debated that other men were 3/5 human and conveniently forgot "to include the ladies."

They did the best they could what what they had--and the results were damned awesome. I don't think they ever said they had the final word or that their results were complete.

re: #236 Gretchen G.Tiger

debated that other men were 3/5 human

The 3/5 compromise was never about humanity. I wish people would stop repeating this myth.

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

Rightwingwatch.org employees must get hazard pay or six months leave every year. The amount toxic shit they wade through would drive any rational person to suicide.

Prosecute journalists for treason. I really, really despise having to share the country with these idiots.

re: #235 Mattand

I get what you're saying, but can't really agree with it. Partly because most people don't take that sort of bigger-picture view on the whole shebang.

People helping people is one of humanity's strengths and is something we should take credit for, and not hand it off to some spiritual construct.

It's not "handing it off to some spiritual construct". It's recognizing that we are each part of a whole and giving credit to those who did their part --those who didn't just 'ride the wave."

Yes, I realize this is high level thinking. That is why I don't even try to discuss such things outside groups like this --on the internet or IRL.

re: #237 Sheila Broflovski

The 3/5 compromise was never about humanity. I wish people would stop repeating this myth.

Yes, taxes. Yet what was the result?

re: #234 Gretchen G.Tiger

I grew-up after Vatican II and didn't have the Baltimore Catechism. I learned about a loving G-d --Jesus was a shepherd. It was the Church on Earth I had issues with from grade school on.

Yeah, I completely forgot about the generational thing here. I was post Vatican II as well.

re: #238 Mattand

Rightwingwatch.org employees must get hazard pay or six months leave every year. The amount toxic shit they wade through would drive any rational person to suicide.

Prosecute journalists for treason. I really, really despise having to share the country with these idiots.

No kidding. I get a headache reading that stuff. I can't imagine having to sort through that crap full time. Love the work they and the SPLC do though. I'm glad the AFA and FRC have basically declared war on the SPLC because I'm going to side with the group who helped bankrupt Neo-Nazis or maybe it was Klansmen over those bigots any day of the week and then some.

re: #241 erik_t

Yeah, I completely forgot about the generational thing here. I was post Vatican II as well.

I think a lot of what the "older" generation learned sifted down to their children and so on. We have a whole mess of dogma. Other RC's I talk with seem to have no idea what is and isn't. Yet, trusting one's heart (which I was told where G-d lives) seems to be heresy.

Given the vast numbers of Catholics around the world this isn't that suprising. What surprises me is that people are SHOCKED when I tell them I looked something-up on the Vatican Website.

Like, their Parish priest might be clueless and you can actually go to the SOURCE? It's 2012, WHO KNEW?

re: #242 HappyWarrior

The SPLC has done both - bankrupted a chapter of the KKK, and has bankrupted the Metzger's WAR.

Catholics Anonymous meets here.

I'm DD, and I was very close to as Catholic as you can get. I had nuns 24/7/350 for the five gradeschool years I didn't have them 6/5. Then I had priest instructors 24/7/305 for 5 years in a Franciscan seminary. Left there on sort of friendly terms and didn't drop the church until years later, after marrying a highly fertile convert Catholic. The Anthropology degree finished off the remaining Catholic cosmology. Our children are 2 atheists, a Baptist, and one who goes to a doctrine-free megachurch.

My experiences left me with a fondness for the religious who raised me, and the Anthro left me with a rational respect for the cultural power of religion. (No matter how rough it might be for the human sacrifices, it's pretty hard to run a culture without a religion.)

The art an music can be pretty cool, too.

re: #244 lawhawk

The SPLC has done both - bankrupted a chapter of the KKK, and has bankrupted the Metzger's WAR.

Sweet. knew it was at least one of the two.

re: #243 Gretchen G.Tiger

Like, their Parish priest might be clueless and you can actually go to the SOURCE? It's 2012, WHO KNEW?

Sacrilege!

re: #242 HappyWarrior

No kidding. I get a headache reading that stuff. I can't imagine having to sort through that crap full time. Love the work they and the SPLC do though. I'm glad the AFA and FRC have basically declared war on the SPLC because I'm going to side with the group who helped bankrupt Neo-Nazis or maybe it was Klansmen over those bigots any day of the week and then some.

Journalists and Attorneys have access to awesome databases tho. They get to see better crap than we do.

re: #240 Gretchen G.Tiger

Yes, taxes. Yet what was the result?

It wasn't about taxes either -- it was about apportionment of congressional districts. Should slaveholders have as much representation as all their slaves combined would have had if they'd been citizens/voters.

The result of giving slaves ANY count, even partial, is that slave-holding states had disproportionate representation in Congress and in selecting Presidents. (in 1860, when the country had a population of 30 million, there were 4 million slaves).

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

Prosecute people who say things I don't like. Wasn't there something written about that in the constitution?