1 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:37:18pm |
Hey everyone...Game 2 of the World Series was a nail-biter, with the Giants' Bumgarner and the Tigers' Fister both throwing very good games...fortunately, Detroit doesn't have much of a bull-pen to speak of, and it gave up two runs to the "underdogs" (if you listen to Fox Sports or the Vegas bookies) who now lead two games to none.
Travel day tomorrow, and then Saturday's game in Motor City where it promises to be a balmy thirty-something.
2 | Digital Display Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:38:26pm |
So Beautiful.
I hope when an advanced civilization digs through our ashes someday they will learn that Humanity was born with a song in our hearts.
3 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:42:29pm |
5 | ozbloke Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:57:30pm |
6 | Kragar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:04:56pm |
7 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:07:58pm |
Okay, that's weird.
Was it because Ann said on the Rachel Ray show that Mitt's favorite dinner was meatloaf?
8 | Targetpractice Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:09:13pm |
re: #6 Kragar
I would do anything for love... but I won't do that.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
9 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:13:22pm |
re: #6 Kragar
I would do anything for love... but I won't do that.
Mitt would do anyone for votes, including THAT >> Image: meat-loaf.jpg
10 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:15:47pm |
re: #9 darthstar
Mitt would do anyone for votes, including THAT >> Image: meat-loaf.jpg
Oh, fuck it. I tried three times to link that fat greasy fucker who had a couple of good songs.
11 | Targetpractice Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:16:22pm |
Oh goodie, Sandy might be here by Monday. Fun.
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12 | freetoken Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:16:31pm |
I just tried to visit the Salem Communications sites (HotAir, Townhall), only to be redirected by the ISP to a search engine.
Is anyone else experiencing similar?
13 | Sophist, Gingham Style Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:19:41pm |
re: #4 Velvet Elvis
Keep in mind, this is a guy who said yes to a role in Spice World. Take from that what you will.
14 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:20:56pm |
re: #13 Sophist, Gingham Style
Keep in mind, this is a guy who said yes to a role in Spice World. Take from that what you will.
Though he should have won an Oscar for his role in the Rocky Horror Pictures Show.
15 | sagehen Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:20:59pm |
re: #10 darthstar
Oh, fuck it. I tried three times to link that fat greasy fucker who had a couple of good songs.
More than a couple...
and this one
is EPIC!!
(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).
16 | JamesWI Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:22:46pm |
No mention on any of the major news websites I see, about how Romney's campaign chair exhibited some of the clearest racism of the campaign season (and that's a category that has a lot of competition).
But basically all of them have front page stories about Meat Loaf at Romney's rally! And they made sure to have front page stories all day about Obama saying a naughty word!
Yep, that "liberal" media at work! Letting Romney skate by anything on his quest to become President.
17 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:23:00pm |
re: #15 sagehen
More than a couple...
and this one
[Embedded content]
is EPIC!!
(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).
Yeah, he's got some good songs, but he huffed too much paint thinner, which is why he supports Romney - actually, I told my wife about his Romney endorsement and she said "Meatloaf has been living in Westport for too long."
18 | Targetpractice Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:24:29pm |
re: #16 JamesWI
No mention on any of the major news websites I see, about how Romney's campaign chair exhibited some of the clearest racism of the campaign season (and that's a category that has a lot of competition).
But basically all of them have front page stories about Meat Loaf at Romney's rally! And they made sure to have front page stories all day about Obama saying a naughty word!
Yep, that "liberal" media at work! Letting Romney skate by anything on his quest to become President.
For balance, they're still out there, trying to convince folks that Willard has "momentum."
19 | Velvet Elvis Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:25:27pm |
21 | engineer cat Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:27:42pm |
Meat Loaf endorses Romney
he can endorse him, but i bet he can't cash him
22 | Targetpractice Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:32:12pm |
That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?
Condi Rice Pours Cold Water On ‘Benghazi-Gate’
Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice broke with the majority of her party last night on Fox News, as she tried to hit the brakes on the right wing’s politicization of the recent attack in Libya.
Host Greta Van Susteren asked Rice directly and repeatedly about a set of emails uncovered by Reuters. In what has been dubbed “Benghazi-Gate,” the conservative media has jumped on the emails as definitive proof that the Obama administration has been lying about what it knew and when in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi. Rice’s response was likely not what Van Susteren expected:
RICE: But when things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy to know what is really going on on the ground. And to my mind, the really important questions here are about how information was collected. Did the various agencies really coordinate and share intelligence in the way that we had hoped, with the reforms that were made after 9/11?
So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better to let the relevant bodies do their work.
23 | engineer cat Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:32:30pm |
so, ok, they don't have poll updates in the middle of the night for crazy obsessed people
i bet next election there will be a continuously varying online poll dashboard for up to the second fictitious facts about who's winning
24 | sagehen Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:38:47pm |
re: #22 Targetpractice
That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?
RINO!!
25 | darthstar Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:43:40pm |
re: #19 Velvet Elvis
Obama calls Romney a "bullshitter" in upcoming Rolling Stone article.
BREAKING: Mitt Romney is a bullshitter.
26 | Targetpractice Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:46:29pm |
Oh, and it gets better. If you actually read the emails, the contents make the argument even more ridiculous. The first said that Stevens had made it into the consulate's safe room (he hadn't), and the second said that a response team was at the consulate within 90 minutes (undermines "Obama did nothing" myth). And the third email, the one which supposedly provides "proof" that the White House "knew" it was a terrorist attack, has yet to be verified because nobody can find the supposed Facebook or Twitter posts claiming responsibility.
27 | AK-47% Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:37:02pm |
re: #15 sagehen
More than a couple...
and this one
[Embedded content]
is EPIC!!
(at TNC's blog, we've discussed several times on whether an artist's work is less enjoyable when you find out unpleasant things about the artist's views... special emphasis on Rudyard Kipling and Ezra Pound... I guess now I have another name to bring up next time this discussion comes around.).
I am very conflicted on Ezra Pound. He is such an awesome poet and editor...I try hard to put myself in the place of people who fell for the fascist ideology back then, I fear I could easily have been one of them.
28 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:39:44pm |
"On Saturday evening I was watching television when my daughter of 2 came out of her room to tell me that her doll was moving by itself. I assumed that it probably fell off the shelf so to satisfy her I got up and went to her room . when I got there to my surprise she had a stuffed troll doll dancing in the middle of her bedroom floor to a Disney movie playing music . Being raised in church I began pleading the blood of Jesus and commanded that spirit to leave then the doll went limp and fell over on the floor. I took the doll outside my house and burned it. what would cause something like this to happen?"
I don't know, but whatever it is that your on I don't want any, thanks anyway.
29 | AK-47% Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:42:04pm |
If the Bible describes demonic possession, then it is a fact. not a scientific fact, but God's own Literal Truth, against which science is powerless.
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30 | freetoken Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:45:41pm |
re: #29 AK-47%
Speaking of which, the Salem Communications websites are still not being reached by my ISP. Can you try to get to Townhall or HotAir?
I figure my ISP (Cox) is trying to spare me idiocy, or through some miracle the wingnuts have been... taken?
31 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:47:08pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice
Yeah I read about the missing FB and twitter posts, of course now they say the posts the embassy cable mentioned were probably to some alternate accounts or something. You would think that the person who reported this would be able to just say where these supposed posts were seen without a lot of delay. Not going to hold my breath waiting though...
32 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:48:38pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Hotair and Townhall are both up for me...
33 | freetoken Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:49:50pm |
re: #32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Thanks.
I had to go to the corporate site (which ends in ".cc") and jump to the websites from their.
I don't know why, but Cox seems to like and vanish domain names now and then.
34 | freetoken Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:13:03am |
A quiet late night - good time for a trio:
35 | engineer cat Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:20:31am |
re: #34 freetoken
hmmm i guess shumann or brahms
36 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:17:18am |
Hurricane Sandy is looking pretty scary, not to mention that it has horrible timing. First it is seriously going to mess up Halloween for an awful lot of people, although I doubt that will top many lists of gripes by those hit hard. Second, we really need a hurricane hitting the Northeast and possibly causing major damage a week before election day?
As if this election isn't worrisome enough already?
38 | Pip's Squeak Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:31:29am |
re: #35 engineer cat
Brahms I think (Piano Trio no.1?). Also considerably slower than usual it seems. It works really well.
41 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:06:30am |
Hmmm ...
Statute 12.07 (3)
No employer or agent of an employer may distribute to any employee printed matter containing any threat, notice or information that if a particular ticket of a political party or organization or candidate is elected or any referendum question is adopted or rejected, work in the employer's place or establishment will cease, in whole or in part, or the place or establishment will be closed, or the salaries or wages of the employees will be reduced, or other threats intended to influence the political opinions or actions of the employees.
So when Mike White sent this threatening email to his employees, it's pretty clear he was in violation of state law. I'm sure Governor Scott Walker and Wisconsin Republican Attorney J. B. Van Hollen will immediately set about correcting this grotesque, abusive, and obviously very illegal coercive behavior.
42 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:08:13am |
re: #41 goddamnedfrank
Not very likely...
43 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:17:07am |
Wow...just wow...
The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never happened. The astoid that supposedly hit the earth was said to have effected the world worse than ALL the worlds nuclear missles all going off at once. This astroid burnt the earth and all that was in it to a crisp. then, molted rock was flung into orbit and back to earth again (Double death!) burning the earth again! THEN, burning acid rain fell on the earth, the worse fall in history! Anything that didn't of a shell or tough skin was going to burn. This theory is impossible!!
Ok I get that she thinks astoids are bad or something...
But what does thermodynamics have to do with people like Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, or Artie Shaw?
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44 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:22:33am |
She is confusing the Big Bang with the demise of the dinosaurs.
This proves again the basic problem we have with people like this regarding everything from the creation of the earth, through the origin of the species all the way to the debacle in Benghazi: they have no f*cking clue of what's going on and they are suspicious and even hostile towards anyone who is...
45 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:26:46am |
re: #43 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Wow...just wow...
Ok I get she has problems with astoids or something...
But what does thermodynamics have to do with people like Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, or Artie Shaw?///
Please pass onto to said moron that it was not the impact or heat from the impact which caused the extinction event, but the resulting fallout of debris in the atmosphere and its effects on the environment.
46 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:39:48am |
re: #45 Kragar
She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(
47 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:42:54am |
re: #46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(
Easy fix.
Stop using centuries old parables as scientific documentation.
48 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:49:40am |
So I move from Florida thinking I'd be hurricane free, right? Yea, see me Tuesday morning.
Morning Honcos.
49 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:53:47am |
re: #46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
She appears to be someone who has been reading (or trying to) Answers in Genesis too much and has garbled their stock answers for several different topics together into one incoherent word salad. :(
Don't know who you're talking about, but unless she's the unlikely 'patient zero' for this meme, she's recycling bullshit. The demon troll-doll has been around the block
[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]
'Morning, all.
50 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:55:07am |
New baby white rhino born at Busch Gardens
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
51 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:59:56am |
Palm Beach County ballot flaw causes another recount
About 27,000 absentee ballots can't be digitally scanned because of a recently discovered design flaw. Elections workers began Monday duplicating the markings from bad ballots to new ones so that the votes could be recorded, an effort that has led some to question the accuracy of results.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
These fucking morons just can't get it right.
52 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:02:59am |
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
53 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:03:08am |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
Don't know who you're talking about, but unless she's the unlikely 'patient zero' for this meme, she's recycling bullshit. The demon troll-doll has been around the block
[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]
'Morning, all.
The doll one I pulled directly from the demonbusters site after being directed there from Christian Forums. Scary geo-cities 80s era looking site that plays organ hymns on the page...ughh. The one directly above is from Christian Forums in what was a discussion about whether or not there is evidence that the Big Bang happened before veering off the tracks and into the bushes.
54 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:03:31am |
re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar
Palm Beach County ballot flaw causes another recount
About 27,000 absentee ballots can't be digitally scanned because of a recently discovered design flaw. Elections workers began Monday duplicating the markings from bad ballots to new ones so that the votes could be recorded, an effort that has led some to question the accuracy of results.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]These fucking morons just can't get it right.
I really fear that we will need a weapons-grade, Contitutional crisis-spawning debcle of a national election before we are going to underatake the efforts needed to ensure that voter registration and vote counting is reliable, consistent and transparent.
55 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:04:24am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
Sovereign citizens. If Obama wins the EC without the PV, we are going to see guys like this popping out of the woodwork everywhere.
56 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:07:38am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
That's a standard 'sovereign citizen' fantasy. It's funny, except that these loons have been a bit more quick than others to shoot it out with cops. We seem to have a bunch of them around here, including one who had $300,000 in gold buried.
57 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:08:01am |
re: #55 AK-47%
Sovereign citizens. If Obama wins the EC without the PV, we are going to see guys like this popping out of the woodwork everywhere.
If that were to happen I would prolly spend my day looking at the comment sections of the Freepers and infowars. I love teh crazy!!!
58 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:09:43am |
"Sovereign citizen" is just another sort of Randian adolescent fantasy, leading to a refusal to accept the fact that even in a fully democratic society, the citizens are required to recognize a common set of laws and a common authority.
59 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:12:12am |
From my #52:
"I do not wish to consent to this arrest at this time," Szoradi replied.
Damn. I should have tried that...
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60 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:13:18am |
re: #58 AK-47%
"Sovereign citizen" is just another sort of Randian adolescent fantasy, leading to a refusal to accept the fact that even in a fully democratic society, the citizens are required to recognize a common set of laws and a common authority.
They are also driven by monetary motives. There are teams of them going about giving 'seminars' on how to avoid taxes and similar scams. A pyramid-scheme approach to religion and politics.
61 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:17:09am |
re: #53 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
The doll one I pulled directly from the demonbusters site after being directed there from Christian Forums. Scary geo-cities 80s era looking site that plays organ hymns on the page...ughh. The one directly above is from Christian Forums in what was a discussion about whether or not there is evidence that the Big Bang happened before veering off the tracks and into the bushes.
Ha. Great site--put it on my list.
63 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:22:27am |
re: #60 Decatur Deb
They are also driven by monetary motives. There are teams of them going about giving 'seminars' on how to avoid taxes and similar scams. A pyramid-scheme approach to religion and politics.
that is the Randian aspect of it.
64 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:50:06am |
OCTOBER 25--A New York City cop allegedly discussed plans to “kidnap, rape, torture, kill, cook and eat the body parts of a number of women,” according to a felony complaint unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
WTF?
66 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:51:25am |
re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar
OCTOBER 25--A New York City cop allegedly discussed plans to “kidnap, rape, torture, kill, cook and eat the body parts of a number of women,” according to a felony complaint unsealed today in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]WTF?
{shudder}
So much for the pre-hiring psych eval
67 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:55:56am |
re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar
Scary that a cop could be so twisted...researchok has a page about it up.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
68 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:57:32am |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Valle’s Facebook page--which was deleted early this afternoon--also contained broadsides against the “liberal court system” and Occupy Wall Street. “If you are reading this, and you support the Occupy Wall Street movement, DE-FRIEND ME IMMEDIATELY. I don't care who you are, but you are not wanted in my life,” he wrote earlier this year.
OMG!!! Valle's real name is KT!!!
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69 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:59:29am |
As a rule, I keep away from politics on FB, it is a pointless place to have a discussion and only causes problems. And besides, there are plenty of decent political blogsites.
Anybody here got a hint where I can find one?
/
70 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:00:11am |
re: #69 AK-47%
As a rule, I keep away from politics on FB, it is a pointless place to have a discussion and only causes problems. And besides, there are plenty of decent political blogsites.
Anybody here got a hint where I can find one?
/
Prison Planet seems quite sane.
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71 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:01:32am |
San Francisco’s New ‘Tata Massage’ Parlor Offers $350 Face Slaps
[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]
Hell. I used to get those on Friday nights for free at the local nightclub!!
72 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:02:52am |
re: #71 sattv4u2
San Francisco’s New ‘Tata Massage’ Parlor Offers $350 Face Slaps
[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]
Hell. I used to get those on Friday nights for free at the local nightclub!!
The money quote
its license by the state of California to slap you.
73 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:03:18am |
re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar
Prison Planet seems quite sane.
/
Haven't been there since last election--off to do some cache-scrapeing.
74 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:06:29am |
I didn't stay up to watch the entire game last night. How badly did the Tigers get pounded?
75 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:06:47am |
I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...
There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...
What I said...
Lol...how very "Big Brotherish" of you.
The only way to protect freedom of speech is to lock up everyone who disagrees with what I say!
Hmm...I just checked my calender and it isn't April 1st so I guess you were serious when you wrote this, pity that. The Constitution you claim to be defending while arguing against perhaps its most central tenet specifically states that the charge of treason can only be applied against someone working in the service of a foreign power.
You see the framers of the Constitution came from a country where treason was sometimes whatever the King declared it to be at the moment. They limited the ability to charge people with treason in the Constitution in order to make sure that that kind of thing could not happen here. I find it ironic in a bizarre way that you are in favor of doing exactly what they sought to prevent while declaring it as necessary to preserve our freedom.
The first reply to my comment was...
It is people like you who will be swept up in the first wave of necessary purification. The treason executions need not be extensive. Maybe only five or six million treasonous Americans (plus homosexuals, atheists, and Mexicans) need be put to death to cleanse the nation.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
76 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:07:32am |
re: #74 Sheila Broflovski
I didn't stay up to watch the entire game last night. How badly did the Tigers get pounded?
2-0
The Tigers bats are dormant after all that time off between the ALCS and the Series
77 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:08:35am |
re: #76 sattv4u2
Ty Cobb would not have let them throw him out at the plate. He always slid in feet first with razors on his shoes.
78 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:18:21am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
Then he should only drive on roads made by "Kingdom of Heaven", the good for nothing freeloader.
79 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:19:46am |
re: #78 Kragar
Then he should only drive on roads made by "Kingdom of Heaven", the good for nothing freeloader.
Those roads would be paved with gold.
/
80 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:22:25am |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
Those roads would be paved with gold.
/
Sounds awfully slippery, especially in the Florida rains...
81 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:22:28am |
83 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:24:24am |
84 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:27:05am |
re: #82 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm in hurricane country!!!
Thats what you get for moving out of Florida...oh wait..?
85 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:27:44am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
I can accept anyone who engages in "civil disobedience" with full knowledge of the consequences of doing so and willingness to accept and endure them in order to make a point that they find a law or practice unjust.
But these are adolescent-minded pricks who demand some sort of special treatment because they are "special"
87 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:35:49am |
re: #85 AK-47%
But these are adolescent-minded pricks who demand some sort of special treatment because they are "special"
Reminds me of a protest some years ago in Boston
The authorities announced days before if "they" crossed line "X" they would be arrested, and would be detained in the old Boston Armory building
So ,, the day arrives, "they" cross the line "X", get arrested and escorted off to Armory building whereupon they complain about the the "accomodations"
Like they expected to be put up at the Hyatt
88 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:38:24am |
re: #87 sattv4u2
They could be put up at the Hyatt and these nutbars would still call it a FEMA camp.
89 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:38:54am |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
Those roads would be paved with gold.
/
Avoid the roads paved with good intentions.
90 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:53:22am |
A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?
91 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:53:40am |
Breakfast then worky. See y'all tonight.
92 | Joanne Fri, Oct 26, 2012 4:54:49am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
The first reply to my comment was...
It is people like you who will be swept up in the first wave of necessary purification. The treason executions need not be extensive. Maybe only five or six million treasonous Americans (plus homosexuals, atheists, and Mexicans) need be put to death to cleanse the nation.
Where have I heard that before? Thinking. Thinking.
93 | Varek Raith Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:02:46am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Erik 'Adolf Hitler' Rush.
94 | Varek Raith Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:13:01am |
re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher
A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?
Don't give me lots of money.
95 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:39:35am |
re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher
A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?
Good list that reminds me why I don't bother with Hollywood any more than I do TV. I have never watched all of Gump and still want the time wasted seeing snippits returned to me. Ick.
96 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:43:07am |
re: #90 Shropshire_Slasher
A list of movies we must not see
[Link: blog.timesunion.com...]
Good way to get me to do something is tell me not to do it. Showgirls?! Forrest Gump is a classic, I mean who doesn't cry when he meets his old girlfriend in DC?
I don't see a list, I see of slideshow of pictures without captions. WTF? How are we supposed to recognize movies to not see unless we have already seen them?
97 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:44:07am |
re: #96 Sheila Broflovski
I don't see a list, I see of slideshow of pictures without captions. WTF? How are we supposed to recognize movies to not see unless we have already seen them?
Got light-grey captions beneath the stills.
98 | Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:47:05am |
Yeah, its got shitty little hard to read captions. BBL, I have to get a halloween mask and go to the bank, wish me luck!
99 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:53:07am |
re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar
Man presents license, registration from 'Kingdom of Heaven'
PORT RICHEY — Attila Szoradi didn't have a Florida driver's license and wasn't interested in getting one.
"I do not wish to enter into a contract with the state of Florida at this time," Szoradi told the Pasco sheriff's deputy who pulled him over on U.S. 19.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.
Another sovereign citizen moron. They ought to put him in jail for a couple of months to impress upon him that having a driver's license is not optional if one wishes to drive a car and that breaking the law is not a game.
100 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:54:35am |
WTF is wrong with these people?
Pro-Life Women Leaders Unify Behind Richard Mourdock bit.ly/Xov8YF #prolife #Inbdiana #tcot— Steven Ertelt (@StevenErtelt) October 26, 2012
101 | A Mom Anon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:56:00am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Ahh a little genocidal advocacy with my coffee this morning. WTF.
102 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:57:01am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...
There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...
What I said...
The first reply to my comment was...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
Congratulations to Mr. Erik Rush, for showing the world that fascism is alive and well on Weird Nut Daily!
/spits
103 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:59:53am |
re: #45 Kragar
Please pass onto to said moron that it was not the impact or heat from the impact which caused the extinction event, but the resulting fallout of debris in the atmosphere and its effects on the environment.
Yeah, it kinda changed the climate a bit.
104 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:03:34am |
re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar
From my #52:
"I do not wish to consent to this arrest at this time," Szoradi replied.
Damn. I should have tried that...
///
I'm sure his request was duly noted as he was being cuffed.
105 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:07:36am |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Another sovereign citizen moron. They ought to put him in jail for a couple of months to impress upon him that having a driver's license is not optional if one wishes to drive a car and that breaking the law is not a game.
Ever read Heinlein's "Coventry"? Let's make Gitmo into Coventry for these supposedly "sovereign" maroons...
106 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:09:28am |
re: #100 Sheila Broflovski
WTF is wrong with these people?
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They think Mourdock is right and that abortion is the killing of the innocent and thus wrong. Mourdock also stated the belief they share with him forthrightly, unlike Todd Akin who tried to bullshit his way past the obvious rape objection.
This is not intended as my agreement with Richard Mourdock's position, just my explanation of why those women would agree with him.
107 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:13:32am |
re: #100 Sheila Broflovski
WTF is wrong with these people?
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Sisterhood Is Derpfull.
108 | Romantic Heretic Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:19:36am |
re: #54 AK-47%
I really fear that we will need a weapons-grade, Contitutional crisis-spawning debcle of a national election before we are going to underatake the efforts needed to ensure that voter registration and vote counting is reliable, consistent and transparent.
There will be a lot of opposition.
110 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:25:20am |
I have to call my mom today and see if she wants to spend a few days down here. It looks like she's in the bullseye of the Frankenstorm up there in NJ. We are only supposed to get rain here in Virginia.
111 | GunstarGreen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:26:02am |
re: #22 Targetpractice
That liberal whackjob Condi Rice was out there declaring "Benghazi-gate" a myth...wait, what?
Of all the things about modern American politics that piss me off, nothing, and I mean nothing, enrages me as much as the completely childish attaching of "-gate" to absolutely everything that has any negative connotations these days.
For pete's sake, US media and political personalities. Can we please come up with just a single original idea? Pretty please? These are the rhetorical tactics of 5 year olds, and it's freaking embarassing to watch adults engage in them.
112 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:27:14am |
re: #111 GunstarGreen
Of all the things about modern American politics that piss me off, nothing, and I mean nothing, enrages me as much as the completely childish attaching of "-gate" to absolutely everything that has any negative connotations these days.
For pete's sake, US media and political personalities. Can we please come up with just a single original idea? Pretty please? These are the rhetorical tactics of 5 year olds, and it's freaking embarassing to watch adults engage in them.
Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.
113 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:32:09am |
re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis
Ever read Heinlein's "Coventry"? Let's make Gitmo into Coventry for these supposedly "sovereign" maroons...
This goofball wasn't even a citizen, which makes it even dumber.
114 | Kronocide Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:38:07am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I Recommended that to Charles. Freaking outlandish nuttery needs the light of day shined on it.
Dude fully Godwined himself.
115 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:38:44am |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.
Yeah, "Gate" has seen better days in the last 40 years. Maybe tag "Iraq" at the end of all bad things.
116 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:39:38am |
This didn't take long. (I should have sold that bridge)
Syria cease-fire broken hours after it begins; 3 reported dead in early fighting
117 | GunstarGreen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:40:33am |
re: #100 Sheila Broflovski
WTF is wrong with these people?
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It is entirely possible to simultaneously be female and value what you perceive to be life over a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.
One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.
That said, there are many interesting anecdotes out there about pro-life protesters getting abortions done on the side, then going right back to protesting. Some portion of it (I am not qualified to say what size) is Teabagger-style "exceptions for me and mine of course" reasoning.
118 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:43:48am |
re: #116 NJDhockeyfan
This didn't take long. (I should have sold that bridge)
Syria cease-fire broken hours after it begins; 3 reported dead in early fighting
Yeah, it doesn't look like it's going well
Syria conflict: Eid al-Adha ceasefire - live updates
119 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:44:22am |
re: #115 Eventual Carrion
Yeah, "Gate" has seen better days in the last 40 years. Maybe tag "Iraq" at the end of all bad things.
That would not be appropriate. American soldiers and marines fought and died in Iraq; To reduce the war they fought in to a scandal suffix would be to dishonor the dead of that conflict and the conflict's veterans.
120 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:46:26am |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it doesn't look like it's going well
Syria conflict: Eid al-Adha ceasefire - live updates
Although activists claimed up to 19 people have been killed this is relatively low by recent bloody standards in the Syrian conflict.
It's pretty sad when 19 deaths is considered a 'relatively low bloody standard'.
121 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:49:03am |
re: #117 GunstarGreen
It is entirely possible to simultaneously be female and value what you perceive to be life over a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.
One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.
That said, there are many interesting anecdotes out there about pro-life protesters getting abortions done on the side, then going right back to protesting. Some portion of it (I am not qualified to say what size) is Teabagger-style "exceptions for me and mine of course" reasoning.
Personally I am pro-Life. I have 9 children and I have never had an abortion. But at the same time I can't imagine telling another woman (which BTW includes my own daughters) what she should do or not do.
122 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:51:50am |
Found and played this Obama vid last night, searching out Lena Dunham. It's really much more broad and powerful messaging:
123 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 6:56:11am |
The gop house of horrors. Exclusively For Women. twitter.com/amk4obama/stat...— amk4obama (@amk4obama) October 26, 2012
124 | MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:05:55am |
re: #75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I got told I am on the list for the great socialist cleansing! Lucky me...
There was a page yesterday about an opinion piece at WND advocating that the liberal media be locked up or executed for being socialists/marxists. I left a comment on the piece over there and got the kind of response you might expect...
What I said...
The first reply to my comment was...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
Egads....
125 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:07:24am |
re: #117 GunstarGreen
One of the great gaps in the whole abortion debate is that the two sides largely disagree on what does or does not constitute 'human life'. The actual argument basically comes down to one side (pro-life) talking about whether or not it's legal to terminate budding human life, and the other side (pro-choice) talking about what the legal definition of human life is.
This isn't true. Aside from the one issue of abortion, 'pro-life' (by which I mean those with the political stance that abortion should be banned or strictly limited, not those who limit their own actions based on their own ethics) people do not treat zygotes as though they are human life.
In addition, the related positions held by most anti-abortion people clearly shows that the interest is in punishing women for sexuality, not defending life.
126 | Sionainn Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:07:45am |
re: #121 Sheila Broflovski
Personally I am pro-Life. I have 9 children and I have never had an abortion. But at the same time I can't imagine telling another woman (which BTW includes my own daughters) what she should do or not do.
I feel the same way, but I call myself pro-choice.
127 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:08:23am |
128 | Kronocide Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:13:49am |
How about we add -ghazi to the end of every petty faux controversy?
129 | MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:15:11am |
re: #125 Obdicut
This isn't true. Aside from the one issue of abortion, 'pro-life' people do not treat zygotes as though they are human life.
In addition, the related positions held by most anti-abortion people clearly shows that the interest is in punishing women for sexuality, not defending life.
Pro-lifers (and a lot of "conservatives" in general) don't hold their positions solely because they think it's right, it's also about having and wielding control over others, as that graphic succinctly illustrates.
130 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:15:47am |
Breaking:
Canadian Embassy in Washington evacuated, police say
The Canadian Embassy in Washington has been evacuated and surrounding streets are being closed after a suspicious package was found inside, Washington police said.
Police said an envelope with a white substance was found.
A law enforcement team that deals with chemical, biological and hazardous materials was at the scene, police spokesman Araz Alali said.
The 400 to 600 blocks of Pennsylvania Avenue have been closed.
131 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:16:57am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm not quite sure what to make of the fact that the NYT is trying to claim that the ceasefire is largely holding in Syria, when evidence suggests the contrary. The Times' evidence is that the intensity of fighting is down.
I'd say that the situation's akin to a grappling session in the middle round of a heavyweight bout for the championship belt in boxing. After sparring and landing killer jabs and trading body blows, both sides are warily accepting that this is going the distance. They'll still try to trade blows during this ceasefire, which is as much as an ability to regroup and rearm as it is about actually providing a ceasefire opportunity for the Islamic holiday ongoing this weekend.
The violence and body count continue to rise, and it will rise still more after the weekend. More to the point, the violence and the threat of wider violence continues to creep over the borders into Turkey and Lebanon.
Also, the notion of "ceasefire" itself opens itself up to parody when experts claim that the notion of an absolute ceasefire (no violence) isn't possible, and everyone simply hopes for a reduction in the intensity of fighting. That's an incredibly low standard by even already ridiculously low standards.
Neither side is going to back down, and the fighting will continue.
132 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:17:32am |
I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.
Are you following this?
133 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:19:20am |
re: #132 Sheila Broflovski
I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.
Are you following this?
Thank you for reminding me again why I don't twitter...
134 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:19:26am |
re: #132 Sheila Broflovski
I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.
Are you following this?
Yep, following clear.
Over and out for now, I have an interview. BBL
135 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:19:44am |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
Yep, following clear.
Over and out for now, I have an interview. BBL
Good luck!
136 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:19:52am |
137 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:20:04am |
The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.
A federal appeals court, on Thursday, refused to grant another hearing to the organization, a decision that stops the organization's fight against Texas' effort to ban state funding for Planned Parenthood affiliates.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry applauded the decision, by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals."Today's ruling affirms yet again that in Texas the Women's Health Program has no obligation to fund Planned Parenthood and other organizations that perform or promote abortion. In Texas we choose life, and we will immediately begin defunding all abortion affiliates to honor and uphold that choice," Perry said.
The decision continues a legal struggle that has been going on for months.
The Texas Women's Health Program provides about 130,000 low-income women with family planning exams, related health screenings and contraception.Texas opposed government funding for Planned Parenthood clinics because the organization provides abortions.
The state said in March that it was willing to give up funding from Washington and run the Women's Health Program itself.
Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.
But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.
138 | GunstarGreen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:20:29am |
re: #132 Sheila Broflovski
I am unfollowing a whole bunch of people on Twitter who post stupid shit. Why did I follow them in the first place? I think they followed me first and I followed them back, and then they unfollowed me but I continued to follow them.
Are you following this?
The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.
139 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:20:43am |
140 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:22:12am |
re: #138 GunstarGreen
The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.
I Tweet because I don't Facebook.
141 | kirkspencer Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:22:15am |
re: #133 AK-47%
Thank you for reminding me again why I don't twitter...
That, and the way it encourages speaking without thinking. I delete more than half the emails and posts and comments I write before sending. Tweets, though seem to push "now or never."
142 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:23:01am |
re: #137 lawhawk
The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.
Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.
But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.
Basically a court ruling that it is not illegal for a state or other entity to act stupidly.
And Texas does something for ideological purity that has a negative effect on its citizens. Once again forgetting that they are there to serve the people, not the people to server them.
143 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:23:24am |
re: #137 lawhawk
The Fifth Circuit (Texas) rules that Planned Parenthood can be excluded from health program.
Never mind that abortions aren't the only service provided by PP or that many women are only able to obtain preventative health services because of PP. This now reduces access to health care for those women.
But the greater goal of killing PP is alive and well.
Remember, these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an institution, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood in the first place...
144 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:24:07am |
re: #138 GunstarGreen
The inherent meaninglessness of 'following' and the whole drive to 'get followers', as illustrated by this particularly rank bit of word salad, is but one of many reasons that I refuse to have anything to do with Twitsville.
I like it when the porn-bots follow me...makes me feel sexy and attractive for twelve hours until twitter admin comes in and deletes them.
Mornin' all...
145 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:25:42am |
re: #142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Basically a court ruling that it is not illegal for a state or other entity to act stupidly.
And Texas does something for ideological purity that has a negative effect on its citizens. Once again forgetting that they are there to serve the people, not the people to server them.
I suspect it is a mix of ideological purists who really believe this stuff working hand in hand with a number of cynical bastards who see this as political posturing.
Always a great combination, look at how well it works for immigration, gun control and drug policy...
146 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:25:44am |
re: #143 AK-47%
Remember, these people are not just against ÜPlanned Parenthood as an institution, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood in the first place...
Yep, pregnancy can come out of the blue or just out of an alleyway the women happens to be walking by and pulled into. All the will of dog.
147 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:26:44am |
re: #131 lawhawk
Word is Hezbollah is going into Syria to help Assad...
Hezbollah sending more fighters to back the Syrian regime
...Evidence shows that Hezbollah is sending ever more fighters across the border to back the Syrian regime. Its supporters have thronged to the Bekaa valley for funerals of militants – including that of a senior commander whom Hezbollah said died on “jihadist duties”, without specifying where.
The movement’s increased involvement threatens to further destabilise Lebanon, which is already reeling from the assassination of Wissam al-Hassan, a top intelligence chief, a week ago. Many speculate that the Syrian regime or its proxies were behind the killing.
Meanwhile Assad is increasing his collection of chemical weapons...
Exclusive: U.S. Rushes to Stop Syria from Expanding Chemical Weapon Stockpile
The regime of embattled Syrian dictator Bashar Assad is actively working to enlarge its arsenal of chemical weapons, U.S. officials tell Danger Room. Assad’s operatives have tried repeatedly in recent months to buy up the precursor chemicals for deadly nerve agents like sarin, even as his country plunges further and further into a civil war. The U.S. and its allies have been able to block many of these sales. But that still leaves Assad’s scientists with hundreds of metric tons of dangerous chemicals that could be turned into some of the world’s most gruesome weapons.
“Assad is weathering everything the rebels throw at him. Business is continuing as usual,” one U.S. official privy to intelligence on Syria says. “They’ve been busy little bees.”
I have no idea why he wants more. Doesn't he have enough?
148 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:26:56am |
re: #146 Eventual Carrion
Yep, pregnancy can come out of the blue or just out of an alleyway the women happens to be walking by and pulled into. All the will of dog.
Women who have sex for any other reason than to conceive are sluts. Even married ones...
149 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:27:08am |
Another reason for Erick Ericksion to get his panties in a twist over the sexy new Obama ad...Putin had one just like it!!! OMGZ.
There's obviously no way that two people could have independently come up with the same lame joke blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/...— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) October 26, 2012
150 | GunstarGreen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:28:50am |
re: #140 Sheila Broflovski
I Tweet because I don't Facebook.
I don't Failbook either. I have never, don't, and will never get in bed with Mark "My users are stupid fucks for trusting me with their data" Zuckerberg.
Social media in general. If someone wants to talk to me, they talk to my face, or at the least-personal, over the phone. Seems to have been working alright so far.
151 | danarchy Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:32:06am |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.
I've always been partial to "affair" for my political scandals. Doesn't "The Benghazi Affair" sound so much more salacious :)
152 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:32:51am |
Car bomb explodes in southern Damascus; initial reports of large numbers of casualties: activists— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) October 26, 2012
153 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:35:25am |
re: #147 NJDhockeyfan
I have no idea why he wants more. Doesn't he have enough?
I think the idea is to use this stuff as a bargaining chip. The more they have the more they can get for it in negotiations. There's news the Iranians are doing the same thing this morning.
Iran finishing work on nuclear plant
Iran has nearly completed a nuclear enrichment plant, possibly giving the country leverage against sanctions by the United States and its allies, experts said.
Workers have installed the last of nearly 3,000 centrifuges at the underground site called Fordo, near the holy city of Qum, inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency said.
The centrifuges are only operating at about half capacity, but the progress puts Iran on the brink of creating a nuclear weapon, The New York Times reported Friday.
154 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:37:23am |
re: #140 Sheila Broflovski
I Tweet because I don't Facebook.
I put nothing on FB unless I am okay with the entire world seeing/reading it...I have scrubbed all personal information and keep things completely bland and neutral, keep out of politics, etc...
155 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:37:25am |
re: #152 NJDhockeyfan
Car bomb would indicate rebels/terrorists and not Assad's loyalist forces. I expect a significant number of casualties, and what's left of the ceasefire will go by the boards within a few hours as Assad's forces attempt to repulse ongoing rebel efforts along the Aleppo/Damascus highway or carry out further airstrikes/artillery attacks.
156 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:37:42am |
157 | danarchy Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:39:00am |
re: #156 dragonfire1981
Hey now, what did we Canucks ever do to you guys, eh?
Bryan Adams and Celine Dione
158 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:39:19am |
159 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:40:22am |
160 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:41:25am |
Now, now, we have apologized repeatedly for Celine Dion.
:P
161 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:41:45am |
162 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:41:47am |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Concur. "Gate" is old and worn out, time for something different.
I read that as Concurgate...so there is a conspiracy.
163 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:42:16am |
Bryan Fischer's message to America: if Obama wins, we're doomed. bit.ly/U1EWTF— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 26, 2012
164 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:43:09am |
re: #163 Lidane
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Am I imagining this, or are the only people who pay attention to Bryan Fischer people who hate the fucker?
165 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:43:42am |
re: #156 dragonfire1981
Rush. 100 years from now, when it's 2112, we'll be praying at the Temple of Syrinx and wondering what happened to the Clockwork Angels and realize that it was a bunch of Carnies who found themselves in the Big Money after getting their start as working men doing Tom Sawyer-type jobs in the subdivisions around YYZ.
166 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:44:21am |
re: #159 Lidane
That bitch Anne Murray too.
/South Park
Their beady eyes and flapping heads, and all their hockey hullabaloo.
Blame Canada!
Proud Mother Against Canada (even though I have a Canadian son)
167 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:45:54am |
Heh:
God Distances Self From Christian Right
Responding to inflammatory remarks made by Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock during a debate Tuesday night, Our Lord God the Almighty Father sought today to distance Himself from both Mourdock and the entire right-wing fundamentalist Christian movement, sources confirmed.
“I want to make one thing absolutely clear: Mr. Mourdock’s comments from last night in no way reflect my position on this or any other issue,” said the Divine Creator, speaking at a press conference this afternoon to address Mourdock’s remarks that rape-induced pregnancies were God’s intent. “And furthermore, I would like to take this opportunity to say definitively that I, God, do not officially sanction or condone the words or actions of anyone involved in the fanatical, conservative Christian faction that Mr. Mourdock represents.”
“Many people hear my name in connection with the Christian Right and start to assume we are aligned in some capacity, and I’m here to say, for the record, that we are not,” God continued. “So let me just be clear: I don’t want women to get raped—not ever. I don’t think their resulting pregnancies are my divine will. And if a woman is raped, then she has the right to get an abortion, period. I do not agree with Mourdock. I do not agree with the Christian Right. End of story.”
168 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:47:59am |
On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?
Try being Canadian.
You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).
That means when a Canadian act makes it big like Bieber, Nickelback, Bryan Adams and Celine Dion, the radio stations can both play their hit songs and fulfill their "can con" requirement. As a result, these songs and acts get BEATEN TO DEATH on the radio and we Canadians get sick of them before anyone else even has a chance to.
I remember when Alanis Morrissette made it big in the early 90s with "Jagged little pill". Not only is she Canadian, she just so happens to be from my hometown (where I was living at the time). So of course the local radio stations plastered the airwaves with nearly wall-to-wall Alanis.
I suppose I should be thankful the "can con" policy didn't drive me away from the Barenaked Ladies.
As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV. They were meant to be over the top parodies of goofy Canadian stereotypes but, as often happens with such things, they actually became a hit and are now a fondly remember piece of Canadian nostalgia.
169 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:48:57am |
re: #163 Lidane
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See now if I was Obama, I'd have some fun with that. My first post election comments would be: "Hello everybody and welcome to the end of the world!"
170 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:49:24am |
re: #167 Lidane
Heh:
Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...
Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.
I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.
171 | dragonfire1981 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:53:13am |
re: #170 AK-47%
Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...
Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.
I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.
So it was the beliefs your parents held that turned you off rather than their more or less forcing religion on you as a child? I ask this because my dad had a Catholic upbringing but is now Atheist and I'd guess he had similar experiences to what you did.
I've never asked him about it but plan to soon.
172 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:56:15am |
My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.
I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.
173 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:56:27am |
Having trouble thinking about a present for your favorite moonbat during the holiday season? Look no further...
175 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 7:59:08am |
176 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:09:37am |
Colbert's Offer To Trump: I'll Donate $1 Million To Charity If 'You Let Me Dip My Balls In Your Mouth' mediaite.com/a/rewqi— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) October 26, 2012
177 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:11:00am |
re: #176 Lidane
Colbert's Offer To Trump: I'll Donate $1 Million To Charity If 'You Let Me Dip My Balls In Your Mouth'
I want to see George Soros offer Mitt Romney $10 million if he releases his tax returns by October 31st...
178 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:12:22am |
re: #177 AK-47%
I want to see George Soros offer Mitt Romney $10 million if he releases his tax returns by October 31st...
I thought Mitt Romney already did that.
179 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:13:00am |
180 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:13:32am |
re: #177 AK-47%
$10 million if he releases his tax returns for tax years 1999-2011 by Oct 31 to Soros' satisfaction.
Let's see how Trump and his idiot followers stumble around and try to parse that iteration when Trump demands the same of Obama.
181 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:13:43am |
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This bird just downdinged this thread. Music hater?
182 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:13:49am |
re: #178 NJDhockeyfan
I thought Mitt Romney already did that.
No. Romney doesn't think you deserve to see his tax returns. He just wants to be your president, after all, no reason he should do what his father did and be honest with the American people.
However, since you've said you'd vote for him even if he's a felon who lied under oath in order to cheat someone out of money, I don't think you mind.
183 | gwangung Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:13:55am |
184 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:14:30am |
re: #181 wrenchwench
This bird just downdinged this thread. Music hater?
Some people are just peevish.
185 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:16:56am |
re: #178 NJDhockeyfan
He offered up a single year's return and then a summation provided by his accountants that shed just a tiny amount of light on what he's actually submitted to the IRS. That summation indicates that Romney actually went against his own advice where one year of that summation indicates that he purposefully undercounted his charitable giving so as to avoid appearing as though he paid an effective tax rate of less than a certain percentage. Romney himself has claimed that if someone did precisely that (paid more in tax than he was allowed under the IRC, that person should not be elected president).
186 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:17:26am |
re: #168 dragonfire1981
On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?
Try being Canadian.
You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).
That means when a Canadian act makes it big like Bieber, Nickelback, Bryan Adams and Celine Dion, the radio stations can both play their hit songs and fulfill their "can con" requirement. As a result, these songs and acts get BEATEN TO DEATH on the radio and we Canadians get sick of them before anyone else even has a chance to.
I remember when Alanis Morrissette made it big in the early 90s with "Jagged little pill". Not only is she Canadian, she just so happens to be from my hometown (where I was living at the time). So of course the local radio stations plastered the airwaves with nearly wall-to-wall Alanis.
I suppose I should be thankful the "can con" policy didn't drive me away from the Barenaked Ladies.
As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV. They were meant to be over the top parodies of goofy Canadian stereotypes but, as often happens with such things, they actually became a hit and are now a fondly remember piece of Canadian nostalgia.
They should bring back Wayne & Shuster.
187 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:19:19am |
re: #186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They should bring back Wayne & Shuster.
From the dead?
188 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:20:01am |
re: #168 dragonfire1981
As a funny aside, the "can con" provisions apply to television stations too. It was this requirement that led to the creation of the Great White North/Bob and Doug McKenzie segments on SCTV.
So it's all worth it in the end!
189 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:20:08am |
re: #187 Sheila Broflovski
From the dead?
It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?
190 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:22:22am |
re: #185 lawhawk
He offered up a single year's return and then a summation provided by his accountants that shed just a tiny amount of light on what he's actually submitted to the IRS. That summation indicates that Romney actually went against his own advice where one year of that summation indicates that he purposefully undercounted his charitable giving so as to avoid appearing as though he paid an effective tax rate of less than a certain percentage. Romney himself has claimed that if someone did precisely that (paid more in tax than he was allowed under the IRC, that person should not be elected president).
And, in doing so, tacity admitted that he was not paying enough in taxes...
191 | kirkspencer Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:22:34am |
re: #189 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?
Sturgeon's law.
192 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:22:42am |
re: #189 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
It'd probably be better than 90% of what is currently on TV, wouldn't it?
It would make a good South Park episode: "Terrance & Phillip terrorized by Zombie Wayne & Shuster!"
193 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:26:18am |
re: #168 dragonfire1981
On a serious related note: You think YOU are tired of listening to Bieber, Nickelback and other annoying musical acts?
Try being Canadian.
You see in Canada radio stations are REQUIRED BY LAW to play a certain percentage of Canadian acts. Typically this is referred to as "can con" (Canadian content).
CanCon also got us Trooper, Streetheart, Rough Trade, Harlequin, Nick Gilder, The Pikes, Queen City Kids (have you sensed a trend yet?), Colin James & The Tragically Hip to name a few.
194 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:28:51am |
re: #192 Sheila Broflovski
It would make a good South Park episode: "Terrance & Phillip terrorized by Zombie Wayne & Shuster!"
Zombie Canadian entertainers take over South Park - led by old vaudevillians.
(There's an old Time/Life book series on WW2. One of the last books has a short sub-section on entertainers and such like the USO. It also includes a picture of Wayne and Shuster in uniform and handcuffed to a tree.)
195 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:32:26am |
US Economy grew 2% in 3Q 2012. That boosts the overall year to date to 1.74%, which is behind last year's pace, but still indicates the economy is improving.
196 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:34:12am |
Geraldo pleads with Fox News: "Stop this politicizing" of Libya thkpr.gs/ScRg6V— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 26, 2012
197 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:36:45am |
Oh, brother. Here come the GDP truthers: mm4a.org/PUIfAa #p2— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 26, 2012
198 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:37:14am |
It's morning, again.
We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.
you?
199 | MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:37:21am |
re: #196 Lidane
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Geraldo's got a lot of brass calling out Fox News for their perceived misdeeds IRT their Libya reporting.
His own career hasn't exactly been exemplary, if you know what I mean...
200 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:38:30am |
re: #198 Gretchen G.Tiger
It's morning, again.
We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.
you?
Hey there good luck with the allergies... Congrats BTW blogging open now? Welcome to da club.
201 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:40:03am |
re: #198 Gretchen G.Tiger
It's morning, again.
We've had a warm spell and rain. Between allergies and pressure changes, I think my head may explode.
you?
Knee still bothering me.
Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)
Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.
202 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:41:03am |
re: #172 AK-47%
My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.
I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.
Yeah, that would pretty much do it for me too!
I went to RC school and never saw anything like that.
203 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:42:02am |
re: #170 AK-47%
Between my Catholic upbringing and the Campus Crusade for Christ idiots I encountered in college, I decided to have nothing to do with Christianity...
Was not until some years later that I met Christians who made any sort of sense to me...not Biblical literalists or fundamentalists, just people who quietly lived their fatith and impressed me in they way they did it.
I am not a believer in any sense, but my attitude about the religion has changed.
People who didn't grow-up RC can't understand. Thus, we have those Converts. . . ..
204 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:42:45am |
re: #169 dragonfire1981
See now if I was Obama, I'd have some fun with that. My first post election comments would be: "Hello everybody and welcome to the end of the world!"
Chanelling Douglas Adam?
205 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:43:25am |
re: #200 Daniel Ballard
Hey there good luck with the allergies... Congrats BTW blogging open now? Welcome to da club.
dunno. Just did it.
206 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:46:44am |
REVIEW: a black person voting Obama = racist. White person voting Obama = socialist. A woman voting Obama = slut. Hispanic=voter fraud.— Holy GOP (@HolyGOP) October 26, 2012
207 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:49:18am |
re: #172 AK-47%
My mom was fairly un-dogmatic about it, but she sent me to Sunday school and the whole nine yards.
I still remember one day when the Monsignior came to visit us and our Sister got down on her knees to kiss his ring. This was the time of Martin Luther King and civil rights and equality, and I decided that a scene like that had nothing to do with being an American and pretty much just ignored it all from then on.
My upbringing was very non-dogmatic. Sunday school - but at the UU church my mother attended. My father was non-practicing Catholic and was probably pretty much an atheist at that point I think. It's just not something we discussed as a family.
And it didn't come up much among my friends and social set. Mostly RC, but no one was overtly forward about it. Ran into a few evangelicals in high school, but they came across as odd.
So I had a pretty simple "live and let live" attitude up until college. That was were I got exposed to nut-job "our way or burn" types. And the lack of pushback towards them from their fellows was what started me down the road towards default suspicion about religions and their agendas. Helped along by reading further history at an adult level and getting knowledge in greater detail on the abuses and such carried out in $diety's name. (With the later decision was that this in essence was actually just the cover story for abuse and murder for the sake of control and keeping power.)
208 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:50:07am |
REVIEW: a black person voting Obama = racist. White person voting Obama = socialist. A woman voting Obama = slut. Hispanic=voter fraud.
Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.
209 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:51:08am |
re: #205 Gretchen G.Tiger
dunno. Just did it.
If my last name was Tiger I'd do it too!!
Now we know why you post all those kittehs...
210 | AK-47% Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:52:06am |
re: #208 Mattand
Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.
Any gay or woman voting Romney = the above plus deeply set sense of self-loathing
211 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:52:14am |
212 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:53:02am |
re: #210 AK-47%
Any gay or woman voting Romney = the above plus deeply set sense of self-loathing
Or just a different identification set taking priority.
213 | Digital Display Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:55:52am |
Do you hear that? The fireworks and cheering erupting over the world?
The NBA Commish, Stern announced his retirement for 2014. Woot!
Good Morning from a freezing day in Oklahoma. I got a spam call today on my work cell phone. I have a feeling this is how it all begins...Now why in the world the Chinese do not spam Stern's cell I'll never know..probably slacking.
/
214 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:58:19am |
re: #207 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
My upbringing was very non-dogmatic. Sunday school - but at the UU church my mother attended. My father was non-practicing Catholic and was probably pretty much an atheist at that point I think. It's just not something we discussed as a family.
And it didn't come up much among my friends and social set. Mostly RC, but no one was overtly forward about it. Ran into a few evangelicals in high school, but they came across as odd.
So I had a pretty simple "live and let live" attitude up until college. That was were I got exposed to nut-job "our way or burn" types. And the lack of pushback towards them from their fellows was what started me down the road towards default suspicion about religions and their agendas. Helped along by reading further history at an adult level and getting knowledge in greater detail on the abuses and such carried out in $diety's name. (With the later decision was that this in essence was actually just the cover story for abuse and murder for the sake of control and keeping power.)
Sort of similar here. Brought up Catholic, taught that God and Jesus were real, but it wasn't anything that dominated our lives. It was something you just did.
As I got older, I morphed into a kind lazy deist; there was a definitely a God, but I just let it go at that. Never once questioned that evolution was real and stuff like that.
Between 9/11 and watching my mom die 3 weeks before she could see her 1st grandson born, I finally figured out that modern religions were really no different than the mythical pantheons of old. The big difference now is that many of the believers have access to way more destructive weapons than our ancestors.
I really try to maintain a live-and-let-live attitude. If God, or Allah, or Crom or Moroni get you through the day, fine. Just keep it out of my government, and if I say I don't believe, don't start screaming like a jackass about the horrible atheist oppressing you.
215 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:58:21am |
re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Knee still bothering me.
Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)
Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.
Sorry about the knee. Last couple of weeks of weather changes/seasonal changes have been making my joints complain as well. It'll get better when it finally freezes.
216 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:02:12am |
re: #201 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Knee still bothering me.
Slow day at work, but this "Frankenstorm" looks like it will currently track through/near Philly so there is discussion about working from home and possibly taking the server room down Sunday night or on Monday. (In the latter case I get to slog in and do that even though I will supposedly be on vacation.)
Travel plans for next week are on hiatus in any case between the weather and my knee.
What's your take on the Philly area being washed away, as the news reports are starting to gear up about? The better half wants to stock up on water and foodstuffs in case it gets out of hand, but I'm kinda thinking it won't be that bad.
Hard to tell; she grew up in New Orleans, so she knows of what she speaks when it comes to hurricanes. Plus, my sister's in-laws are closer to the shore and got hammered in that storm earlier this year. No power for a week.
217 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:02:20am |
I had a I guess what you call casual religious upbringing. I was baptized Catholic as were my brothers. I briefly did CCD but my parents let me quit when I was bored with it. My parents both came from religious families. Though my Dad's parents became more spiritual as they broke away from the church on issues like contraception. I had a period where I was totally Atheist because I was disgusted with what was done in the name of religion. Had another period where I became close to a Christian but I've since left that too. If I'm anything now it's probably close to a Deistic agnostic where I think if there's something out there, it's let and let live. I still do hate evils and bigotry being done in the name of religion though.
218 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:02:46am |
re: #215 Gretchen G.Tiger
Sorry about the knee. Last couple of weeks of weather changes/seasonal changes have been making my joints complain as well. It'll get better when it finally freezes.
This one is either a strain or a gout flare-up. Not sure which. So it's Motrin and try to keep it elevated and iced when not at work. Luckily it has not swollen to the point of generating constant pain - just very tight feeling if I bend it more than 45 degrees.
On the plus side the last few days the Feline Overlord seems to be doing better. More energetic and also has a good appetite. Need to stock up on cat food tomorrow...
219 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:03:26am |
re: #214 Mattand
Sort of similar here. Brought up Catholic, taught that God and Jesus were real, but it wasn't anything that dominated our lives. It was something you just did.
As I got older, I morphed into a kind o lazy deist; there was a definitely a God, but I just let it go at that. Never once questioned that evolution was real and stuff like that.
Between 9/11 and watching my mom die 3 weeks before she could see her 1st grandson born, I finally figured out that modern religions were really no different than mythical pantheons of old. The big difference now is that many of the believers have access to way more destructive weapons than our ancestors.
I really try to maintain a live-and-let-live attitude. If God, or Allah, or Crom or Maroni get you through the day, fine. Just keep it out of my government, and if I say I don't believe, don't start screaming like a jackass about the horrible atheist oppressing you.
Believing in the concept of G-d is difficult these days. At least in conversation--I never know if people believe as I do --that humans are not the masters of the universe and beyond that who the fuck knows? - or they truly believe there is some sky-god out there and that we must praise his hame LOUDLY.
I understand that there are different levels of thinking and that children and some others have minds that can't grasp the metaphysical way I think about things. And that makes we worry.
220 | sagehen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:04:01am |
re: #208 Mattand
Anyone voting Republican = Completely oblivious to who drove us into this financial ditch while running the country for 8 years.
An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays
221 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:04:33am |
I'll say this, if I have a creed, it's live life to the best and not in fear of Hell. We're only on this earth once. Have some fun while living it.
222 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:05:18am |
re: #220 sagehen
An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays
But, they have also done a complete DARVO in their own minds, and think that Obama is responsible for the financial meltdown.
223 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:05:33am |
re: #220 sagehen
An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays
At least, they're honest about their party's intentions. It beats the "I'm moderate to liberal on social issues but I'm really concerned about the deficit and taxes so I'll support Romney." There has been nothing that Romney has shown that shows he's a true deficit hawk or that his tax plans will benefit the middle class.
224 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:06:20am |
re: #220 sagehen
An alarming percentage of Republican voters are people who do know but don't care how disastrous their team is on economics, foreign policy, the environment... for them it's all about abortion and gays
Also, the fact there's a black dude with a Muslim-sounding name in the White House. That's a much bigger factor in the supposed horse racy-ness in this election than many (including the MSM) want to admit.
225 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:06:47am |
re: #223 HappyWarrior
At least, they're honest about their party's intentions. It beats the "I'm moderate to liberal on social issues but I'm really concerned about the deficit so I'll support Romney." There has been nothing that Romney has shown that shows he's a true deficit hawk.
Romney is gonna beat the deficit by Building MOAR BATTLESHIPS and killing PBS and Obamacare.
226 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:08:10am |
re: #224 Mattand
Also, the fact there's a black dude with a Muslim-sounding name in the White House. That's a much bigger factor in the supposed horse racy-ness in this election than many (including the MSM) want to admit.
Yeah you see some of the quotes that are said about Obama and it's just amazing. I read a snippet from an article about a Romney debate watch party in Vegas and one woman was screaming "No, she didn't!" when Obama talked about how his mother worked hard to raise him. There's a real hatred for Obama out there simply because of his ethnic background and the media by and large cosigns off on that especially when they give Donald Trump air time.
227 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:08:31am |
re: #216 Mattand
What's your take on the Philly area being washed away, as the news reports are starting to gear up about? The better half wants to stock up on water and foodstuffs in case it gets out of hand, but I'm kinda thinking it won't be that bad.
Hard to tell; she grew up in New Orleans, so she knows of what she speaks when it comes to hurricanes. Plus, my sister's in-laws are closer to the shore and got hammered in that storm earlier this year. No power for a week.
I think it will come through like the one last year - but for a longer duration. Bands of heavy rain and wind, but nothing quite disastrous. However, probably local flooding since it's late enough in autumn that the trees are not pulling up water as much; e.g. more water directly into the streams and creeks.
Whether or not there are widespread power outages will be the key. I'll probably fill up some extra water bottles, and I planned on shopping tomorrow anyways and cook food for a week's meals on Sunday regardless.
But having the emergency kit reviewed and stocked up is probably not a bad idea since following this is the rest of winter.
228 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:09:57am |
re: #225 Sheila Broflovski
Romney is gonna beat the deficit by Building MOAR BATTLESHIPS and killing PBS and Obamacare.
Yep. Really, people give him way too much credit on the economy. I think part of that is him not being Obama for some but I still think in general he gets way too much credit on that issue. I don't care if he was a businessman or not. His rhetoric and policy plans would worsen the debt and tax burden not help it.
229 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:12:28am |
HAV MOAR DERP
Catastrophic global warming alert: Growth of Antarctic sea ice accelerated 53% since 2006. hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/new-st...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 26, 2012
230 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:12:40am |
re: #219 Gretchen G.Tiger
Believing in the concept of G-d is difficult these days. At least in conversation--I never know if people believe as I do --that humans are not the masters of the universe and beyond that who the fuck knows? - or they truly believe there is some sky-god out there and that we must praise his hame LOUDLY.
I understand that there are different levels of thinking and that children and some others have minds that can't grasp the metaphysical way I think about things. And that makes we worry.
Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.
I worked with the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life for a few years. It's amazing how many people credit their survival to God and footnote the doctors and science that actually saved him.
Where the fuck was He when you got the cancer in the first place? Running scrimmage with Tim Tebow?
What's really heartbreaking is the parents of kids with cancer. I can't imagine the agony involved with watching your child suffer like that. If there was any sort of god watching over us, kids would not be dying of disease, starvation or abuse. Period.
231 | erik_t Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:15:03am |
re: #230 Mattand
Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.
I think the RCC is a lot less monolithic than is sometimes appreciated. Growing up, fire and brimstone and fear were nearly absent. Certainly nothing like what some of my evangelical friends heard.
Guilt was still there of course, because let's be serious.
232 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:16:07am |
re: #230 Mattand
Growing up Catholic, the amount of fear and guilt that is instilled in you is frightening. Love God or else. It's like living in fear from a vengeful ex who can transmute the laws of the universe.
I worked with the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life for a few years. It's amazing how many people credit their survival to God and footnote the doctors and science that actually saved him.
Where the fuck was He when you got the cancer in the first place? Running scrimmage with Tim Tebow?
What's really heartbreaking is the parents of kids with cancer. I can't imagine the agony involved with watching your child suffer like that. If there was any sort of god watching over us, kids would not be dying of disease, starvation or abuse. Period.
Here we get into semantics again. G-d as a definition of the whole of creation--or god as a sky king.
1st definition would encompass the doctors and all who somehow came together to help cure disease. (I Pencil and all that). Some mythical being --Santa's buddy--not so much, IMHO.
233 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:16:21am |
WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason
It is improbable that the framers of the Constitution anticipated a situation in which the press were entirely given over to seditious, anti-American policies. If they had, it is likely that their modus operandi would be similar to that for any faction found guilty of high crimes. Trials for treason and the requisite sentences would apply, and I would have no qualms about seeing such sentences executed, no matter how severe...
...Those whose speech and actions impinge upon the God-given rights set forth in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution are, by definition, excepted from protection under the First Amendment (as well as the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment). This is a very important concept to consider, because it is based on these presumptions of protected speech and equal protection for all that progressives and socialists have engaged in their predation upon our liberties.
If these truths can be acknowledged and widely accepted as such (as opposed to progressives’ Orwellian interpretations), then the political disenfranchisement of liberals, progressives, socialists and Marxists can begin in earnest, and in the open.
234 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:18:29am |
re: #231 erik_t
I think the RCC is a lot less monolithic than is sometimes appreciated. Growing up, fire and brimstone and fear were nearly absent. Certainly nothing like what some of my evangelical friends heard.
Guilt was still there of course, because let's be serious.
I grew-up after Vatican II and didn't have the Baltimore Catechism. I learned about a loving G-d --Jesus was a shepherd. It was the Church on Earth I had issues with from grade school on.
I was told that Man was born with original sin and and the same time that the Men at the Vatican were infallible. I recognized, probably as early as 4th grade, that was Bullshit.
235 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:21:56am |
re: #232 Gretchen G.Tiger
Here we get into semantics again. G-d as a definition of the whole of creation--or god as a sky king.
1st definition would encompass the doctors and all who somehow came together to help cure disease. (I Pencil and all that). Some mythical being --Santa's buddy--not so much, IMHO.
I get what you're saying, but can't really agree with it. Partly because most people don't take that sort of bigger-picture view on the whole shebang.
People helping people is one of humanity's strengths and is something we should take credit for, and not hand it off to some spiritual construct.
236 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:22:15am |
re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea
I'm so frickin' tired of the the Cannonization of the Founders.
I have great respect for each individual--and awe that events conspired to create this country at all.
Yet, they were flawed individuals as well. Men who argued and debated that other men were 3/5 human and conveniently forgot "to include the ladies."
They did the best they could what what they had--and the results were damned awesome. I don't think they ever said they had the final word or that their results were complete.
237 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:23:27am |
re: #236 Gretchen G.Tiger
debated that other men were 3/5 human
The 3/5 compromise was never about humanity. I wish people would stop repeating this myth.
238 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:24:26am |
re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea
Rightwingwatch.org employees must get hazard pay or six months leave every year. The amount toxic shit they wade through would drive any rational person to suicide.
Prosecute journalists for treason. I really, really despise having to share the country with these idiots.
239 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:24:41am |
re: #235 Mattand
I get what you're saying, but can't really agree with it. Partly because most people don't take that sort of bigger-picture view on the whole shebang.
People helping people is one of humanity's strengths and is something we should take credit for, and not hand it off to some spiritual construct.
It's not "handing it off to some spiritual construct". It's recognizing that we are each part of a whole and giving credit to those who did their part --those who didn't just 'ride the wave."
Yes, I realize this is high level thinking. That is why I don't even try to discuss such things outside groups like this --on the internet or IRL.
240 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:25:03am |
re: #237 Sheila Broflovski
The 3/5 compromise was never about humanity. I wish people would stop repeating this myth.
Yes, taxes. Yet what was the result?
241 | erik_t Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:26:39am |
re: #234 Gretchen G.Tiger
I grew-up after Vatican II and didn't have the Baltimore Catechism. I learned about a loving G-d --Jesus was a shepherd. It was the Church on Earth I had issues with from grade school on.
Yeah, I completely forgot about the generational thing here. I was post Vatican II as well.
242 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:27:09am |
re: #238 Mattand
Rightwingwatch.org employees must get hazard pay or six months leave every year. The amount toxic shit they wade through would drive any rational person to suicide.
Prosecute journalists for treason. I really, really despise having to share the country with these idiots.
No kidding. I get a headache reading that stuff. I can't imagine having to sort through that crap full time. Love the work they and the SPLC do though. I'm glad the AFA and FRC have basically declared war on the SPLC because I'm going to side with the group who helped bankrupt Neo-Nazis or maybe it was Klansmen over those bigots any day of the week and then some.
243 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:30:14am |
re: #241 erik_t
Yeah, I completely forgot about the generational thing here. I was post Vatican II as well.
I think a lot of what the "older" generation learned sifted down to their children and so on. We have a whole mess of dogma. Other RC's I talk with seem to have no idea what is and isn't. Yet, trusting one's heart (which I was told where G-d lives) seems to be heresy.
Given the vast numbers of Catholics around the world this isn't that suprising. What surprises me is that people are SHOCKED when I tell them I looked something-up on the Vatican Website.
Like, their Parish priest might be clueless and you can actually go to the SOURCE? It's 2012, WHO KNEW?
244 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:30:34am |
re: #242 HappyWarrior
The SPLC has done both - bankrupted a chapter of the KKK, and has bankrupted the Metzger's WAR.
245 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:31:07am |
Catholics Anonymous meets here.
I'm DD, and I was very close to as Catholic as you can get. I had nuns 24/7/350 for the five gradeschool years I didn't have them 6/5. Then I had priest instructors 24/7/305 for 5 years in a Franciscan seminary. Left there on sort of friendly terms and didn't drop the church until years later, after marrying a highly fertile convert Catholic. The Anthropology degree finished off the remaining Catholic cosmology. Our children are 2 atheists, a Baptist, and one who goes to a doctrine-free megachurch.
My experiences left me with a fondness for the religious who raised me, and the Anthro left me with a rational respect for the cultural power of religion. (No matter how rough it might be for the human sacrifices, it's pretty hard to run a culture without a religion.)
The art an music can be pretty cool, too.
246 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:31:13am |
re: #244 lawhawk
The SPLC has done both - bankrupted a chapter of the KKK, and has bankrupted the Metzger's WAR.
Sweet. knew it was at least one of the two.
247 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:31:25am |
re: #243 Gretchen G.Tiger
Like, their Parish priest might be clueless and you can actually go to the SOURCE? It's 2012, WHO KNEW?
Sacrilege!
248 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:31:53am |
re: #242 HappyWarrior
No kidding. I get a headache reading that stuff. I can't imagine having to sort through that crap full time. Love the work they and the SPLC do though. I'm glad the AFA and FRC have basically declared war on the SPLC because I'm going to side with the group who helped bankrupt Neo-Nazis or maybe it was Klansmen over those bigots any day of the week and then some.
Journalists and Attorneys have access to awesome databases tho. They get to see better crap than we do.
249 | sagehen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:33:16am |
re: #240 Gretchen G.Tiger
Yes, taxes. Yet what was the result?
It wasn't about taxes either -- it was about apportionment of congressional districts. Should slaveholders have as much representation as all their slaves combined would have had if they'd been citizens/voters.
The result of giving slaves ANY count, even partial, is that slave-holding states had disproportionate representation in Congress and in selecting Presidents. (in 1860, when the country had a population of 30 million, there were 4 million slaves).
250 | ShaunP Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:33:31am |
re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea
Prosecute people who say things I don't like. Wasn't there something written about that in the constitution?
251 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:33:54am |
re: #250 ShaunP
Prosecute people who say things I don't like. Wasn't there something written about that in the constitution?
That's Alinsky talk there pal.
252 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:34:51am |
re: #245 Decatur Deb
"Hi! I'm Gretchen, I'm a Catholic"
"Hi Gretchen"
Funny, because I looked up the etymology of the word catholic the other day --wondering the relation to "catharsis" --anyway . . .
I forgot, totally, what the word means:
Universal
Strange all the mess that happens when one adds a Capital Letter to the front of a word.
253 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:35:45am |
re: #250 ShaunP
Prosecute people who say things I don't like. Wasn't there something written about that in the constitution?
You mean that document written by the FOUNDERS.
254 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:35:58am |
re: #249 sagehen
It wasn't about taxes either -- it was about apportionment of congressional districts. Should slaveholders have as much representation as all their slaves combined would have had if they'd been citizens/voters.
The result of giving slaves ANY count, even partial, is that slave-holding states had disproportionate representation in Congress and in selecting Presidents. (in 1860, when the country had a population of 30 million, there were 4 million slaves).
If I recall my early American history correctly, there were a couple Southern states that had more slaves than non-slaves in their states. I think South Carolina was one of them. South Carolina, of course was home to Calhoun and the fire eating movement.
255 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:36:23am |
McCain says Colin Powell "got us into Iraq" war. Is this was senility looks like?nationalreview.com/corner/331749/...— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) October 26, 2012
256 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:37:37am |
re: #249 sagehen
It wasn't about taxes either -- it was about apportionment of congressional districts. Should slaveholders have as much representation as all their slaves combined would have had if they'd been citizens/voters.
The result of giving slaves ANY count, even partial, is that slave-holding states had disproportionate representation in Congress and in selecting Presidents. (in 1860, when the country had a population of 30 million, there were 4 million slaves).
You are right. I'm on a metaphysical bent. Different parts of the brain do not meld well in the morning.
Now, I'm trying to remember the advantage that gave the South - - LBJ, southern strategy? Never mind. I'm going to wait for the morning to pass and pain meds to kick in . .
257 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:37:55am |
re: #255 Lidane
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Is McCain talking about the same Iraq War that McCain voted for? The one he's defended time and time again? Really he's either senile or incredibly bitter at the fact that anyone would support Obama.
258 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:38:06am |
re: #245 Decatur Deb
Catholics Anonymous meets here.
I'm DD, and I was very close to as Catholic as you can get. I had nuns 24/7/350 for the five gradeschool years I didn't have them 6/5. Then I had priest instructors 24/7/305 for 5 years in a Franciscan seminary. Left there on sort of friendly terms and didn't drop the church until years later, after marrying a highly fertile convert Catholic. The Anthropology degree finished off the remaining Catholic cosmology. Our children are 2 atheists, a Baptist, and one who goes to a doctrine-free megachurch.
My experiences left me with a fondness for the religious who raised me, and the Anthro left me with a rational respect for the cultural power of religion. (No matter how rough it might be for the human sacrifices, it's pretty hard to run a culture without a religion.)
The art an music can be pretty cool, too.
I really like the architecture of some of the old churches I've been in. Stained glass and art thing that are really well done. (As a comparison there is a "new" Catholic church near the town my brother lives in and it looks like an industrial warehouse with this odd-looking and obviously artificial in workings bell tower.) (Yuck)
My friends have needled me about being the atheist who hangs out in churches. (I tend to arrive early for stuff and they've found me sitting there in the dark since I got to a few wedding rehearsals early. That I was enjoying the quiet and the sunset coming through stained glass windows went right past them. :p )
The internal conflict I feel about these things is that the resources spent on them beyond being functional are resources that arguably can go into programs and other sorts of service. Though there is something in attending service in something that is obviously a source of pride for the community.
259 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:38:34am |
re: #241 erik_t
Yeah, I completely forgot about the generational thing here. I was post Vatican II as well.
My mom used to tell me what the Catholic Church was like prior to Vatican II. I was stunned. You look at the mess the CC is in now, and the fact that many Catholics want to roll back Vatican II is disturbing.
260 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:38:44am |
re: #255 Lidane
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Is that the same Colin Powell who was following orders he didn't agree with . . .
Am I remembering that correctly?
261 | erik_t Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:39:26am |
re: #243 Gretchen G.Tiger
Given the vast numbers of Catholics around the world this isn't that suprising. What surprises me is that people are SHOCKED when I tell them I looked something-up on the Vatican Website.
Like, their Parish priest might be clueless and you can actually go to the SOURCE? It's 2012, WHO KNEW?
I was working the front desk at the local church as JPII was on his last legs. We actually had people calling in to ask if he'd died yet.
"I dunno, ma'am, we've got CNN on just like you do. We do not have a direct line to the Vatican, or some sort of secret Pope-fax."
262 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:39:38am |
re: #255 Lidane
Maybe... Which President signed off on the regime change in Iraq policy? Oh, right President Clinton.
263 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:40:29am |
re: #259 Mattand
My mom used to me what the Catholic Church was like prior to Vatican II. I was stunned. You look at the mess the CC is in now, and the fact that many Catholics want to roll back Vatican II is disturbing.
I wouldn't mind forcing every to learn latin again. :)
I think it would help developing minds quite a bit.
That would probably be the only thing I would agree with.
264 | erik_t Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:41:46am |
re: #263 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'd rather they learn a useful language.
265 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:42:00am |
re: #263 Gretchen G.Tiger
I wouldn't mind forcing every to learn latin again. :)
I think it would help developing minds quite a bit.
That would probably be the only thing I would agree with.
Though if you fail your tenses do you get forced to play in the faculty-student rugby game?
266 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:44:18am |
re: #262 Daniel Ballard
Maybe... Which President signed off on the regime change in Iraq policy? Oh, right President Clinton.
Al Gore campaigned on Bush being weak on Iraq. It's always hard to tell but Iraq was probably inevitable. I wasn't a big fan of the war but thinking about what Iraq would be like today if Saddam were still around with Iran's nuclear program. Saddam's response to Arab spring would make assad look like a saint. There were no good choices.
267 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:44:37am |
re: #262 Daniel Ballard
Maybe... Which President signed off on the regime change in Iraq policy? Oh, right President Clinton.
It was a secret executive order from Carter, of course.
268 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:46:45am |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Al Gore campaigned on Bush being weak on Iraq. It's always hard to tell but Iraq was probably inevitable. I wasn't a big fan of the war but thinking about what Iraq would be like today if Saddam were still around with Iran's nuclear program. Saddam's response to Arab spring would make assad look like a saint. There were no good choices.
Perhaps. But our leadership *lying* it's case and ignoring the post-war implications because they didn't have the political capital to sell and carry out an effective policy is what pissed me off. They built that morass.
269 | erik_t Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:46:55am |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Al Gore campaigned on Bush being weak on Iraq. It's always hard to tell but Iraq was probably inevitable. I wasn't a big fan of the war but thinking about what Iraq would be like today if Saddam were still around with Iran's nuclear program. Saddam's response to Arab spring would make assad look like a saint. There were no good choices.
Well, this was a talking point I hadn't yet seen in the wild.
270 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:47:59am |
re: #258 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I really like the architecture of some of the old churches I've been in. Stained glass and art thing that are really well done. (As a comparison there is a "new" Catholic church near the town my brother lives in and it looks like an industrial warehouse with this odd-looking and obviously artificial in workings bell tower. (Yuck)
My friends have needled me about being the atheist who hangs out in churches. (I tend to arrive early for stuff and they've found me sitting there in the dark since I got to a few wedding rehearsals early. That I was enjoying the quiet and the sunset coming through stained glass windows went right past them. :p )
The internal conflict I feel about these things is that the resources spent on them beyond being functional are resources that arguably can go into programs and other sorts of service. Though there is something in attending service in something that is obviously a source of pride for the community.
I've heard of some atheists (PZ Myers and Penn Jillette spring to mind) who will refuse to step foot in a church parking lot, let alone the building itself, for obvious reasons. If there's a family event there, I go. I don't kneel or take communion anymore, but it means something to my relatives to see us there.
Gotta go turn in my copy of The God Delusion now, LOL.
One of my things-to-do is to go see Saint Neumann up on Girard Ave or wherever it is. Mainly for the morbid curiosity. I've already been to the Mütter Mueseum, so it's seems like a good fit.
271 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:48:28am |
re: #268 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Perhaps. But our leadership *lying* it's case and ignoring the post-war implications because they didn't have the political capital to sell and carry out an effective policy is what pissed me off. They built that morass.
Exactly what pissed me off at the time and still does. I'm glad Saddam is gone but let's be honest. The way the Iraq War was sold was terrible. Also, I don't think what's being discussed here is the validity of the war. More so that McCain who has consistently been a supporter and defender of the war is now blaming Powell for the war occurring.
272 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:49:44am |
re: #265 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Though if you fail your tenses do you get forced to play in the faculty-student rugby game?
Any Monty Python reference wins you an internet. An obscure one makes you Chtullu of the Internet for a week.
273 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:51:47am |
re: #269 erik_t
Well, this was a talking point I hadn't yet seen in the wild.
It's not really a "talking point" as far as I know, it's a personal opinion.. I haven't seen any serious discussion of what Iraq might look like with Saddam still around today, I'm just guessing. My opposition to the Iraq war was fairly unique, I opposed it from the moral low ground. I'm sure the Iraqi people are nice and Saddam and sons were brutal beyond imagination. They'd probably still be suffering today.
274 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:52:26am |
re: #270 Mattand
I've heard of some atheists (PZ Myers and Penn Jillette spring to mind) who will refuse to step foot in a church parking lot, let alone the building itself, for obvious reasons. If there's a family event there, I go. I don't kneel or take communion anymore, but it means something to my relatives to see us there.
Gotta go turn in my copy of The God Delusion now, LOL.
One of my things-to-do is to go see Saint Neumann up on Girard Ave or wherever it is. Mainly for the morbid curiosity. I've already been to the Mütter Mueseum, so it's seems like a good fit.
I'm mainly in them for weddings and funerals. A few as a tourist (Salisbury Cathedral for instance.) In Pittsburgh one Irish RC church was desanctified, sold, and is now a brew pub. With the brewing equipment where the altar used to be.
[Link: www.churchbrew.com...]
275 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:52:43am |
Italy's Berlusconi sentenced to jail for tax fraud
(Reuters) - An Italian court on Friday sentenced former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi to four years in jail for tax fraud in connection with the purchase of broadcasting rights by his Mediaset television company.
Berlusconi has the right to appeal the ruling two more times before the sentence becomes definitive and will not be jailed unless the final appeal is upheld. Prosecutors had asked for a jail sentence of three years and eight months.
The court also ordered damages provisionally set at 10 million euros ($12.96 million) to be paid by Berlusconi and his co-defendants to tax authorities.
276 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:52:55am |
re: #262 Daniel Ballard
Maybe... Which President signed off on the regime change in Iraq policy? Oh, right President Clinton.
On a bill sponsored by two repub representatives. The act specifically said we could not use US military for the goal of regime change.
277 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:53:25am |
278 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:54:26am |
re: #276 Eventual Carrion
On a bill sponsored by two repub representatives. The act specifically said we could not use US military for the goal of regime change.
Oops.
279 | Sionainn Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:54:43am |
280 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:55:10am |
re: #264 erik_t
I'd rather they learn a useful language.
Latin is extremely useful. Thinking it a dead language is really short-sighted.
I akin it to the people who follow a holy book, but can't read it. They have to take on faith what others tell them it says.
So much our history is only in latin. Not to mention it is the basis of other languages and the advantages one has in the science field if one has even a year or two of latin is amazing.
Case in point. Someone on fb told me the other day that a lady body part was a phallic symbol. Although (IIRC, morning brain) phallus is greek, I laughed out loud.
We can't ignore the ancient languages.
Why do we have a bundle of sticks bound together carved on the woodwork in the Capital building?
Our history and the Latin language is intertwined.
281 | efuseakay Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:55:39am |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Al Gore campaigned on Bush being weak on Iraq. It's always hard to tell but Iraq was probably inevitable. I wasn't a big fan of the war but thinking about what Iraq would be like today if Saddam were still around with Iran's nuclear program. Saddam's response to Arab spring would make assad look like a saint. There were no good choices.
Key phrase - Arab Spring. It should have been their affair. Not Send-our-men-and-women-to-get-maimed-and-killed-for-non-existent-WMDs War.
282 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:56:25am |
re: #274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I'm mainly in them for weddings and funerals. A few as a tourist (Salisbury Cathedral for instance.) In Pittsburgh one Irish RC church was desanctified, sold, and is now a brew pub. With the brewing equipment where the altar used to be.
[Link: www.churchbrew.com...]
ROTLFLAMO!!!
283 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57:07am |
284 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57:59am |
286 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:00:24am |
re: #276 Eventual Carrion
Right apart from that no fly zone that Saddam agreed to, to end the war and then began incessantly trying to shoot down the pilots and aircraft. That's the other guy nobody seems to blame at all. To listen to some Bush critics-One would think Saddam had just been a nice compliant guy since the end of the war. Nice to the Kurds and all.
re: #278 Mattand
Oops.
Not feeling that about my comment at all.
287 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:01:19am |
re: #270 Mattand
If there's a family event there, I go. I don't kneel or take communion anymore, but it means something to my relatives to see us there.
Same here. I'll go to family weddings, funerals, christenings, etc. I just refuse to take part in the service in my own way -- I stay silent during the prayers, don't take communion, or anything. I'll do the physical motions of the Mass, but I don't put any stock in it anymore.
I recently went with my boyfriend to visit his grandparents, and while we were there, their parish priest showed up to give them Communion and to say prayers because the grandmother has advanced Alzheimer's and they can't get to church all that often. I nodded along politely and was respectful, but when I was offered Communion, I turned it down. That's not my thing anymore, but I'm not going to be mean about it.
288 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:01:33am |
re: #284 Gretchen G.Tiger
Not really, I've forgotten a lot.
wait, did you forget the horse?
Morning brain--ugh
289 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:02:30am |
re: #275 NJDhockeyfan
I saw that on Twitter this morning. Apparently the media in Italy went apeshit when the sentence was announced.
290 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:02:59am |
re: #193 Jolo5309
CanCon also got us Trooper, Streetheart, Rough Trade, Harlequin, Nick Gilder, The Pikes, Queen City Kids (have you sensed a trend yet?), Colin James & The Tragically Hip to name a few.
How do you know about the Queen City Kids?
291 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:03:40am |
re: #286 Daniel Ballard
Right apart from that no fly zone that Saddam agreed to, to end the war and then began incessantly trying to shoot down the pilots and aircraft. That's the other guy nobody seems to blame at all. To listen to some Bush critics-One would think Saddam had just been a nice compliant guy since the end of the war. Nice to the Kurds and all.
re: #278 Mattand
Not feeling that about my comment at all.
Never thought he was nice to the Kurds. He fucked them up with the munitions and chemical weapons he got from .... US.
292 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:03:55am |
re: #289 Lidane
I saw that on Twitter this morning. Apparently the media in Italy went apeshit when the sentence was announced.
I think he's a media mogul a la Murdock.
293 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:04:04am |
re: #287 Lidane
Same here. I'll go to family weddings, funerals, christenings, etc. I just refuse to take part in the service in my own way -- I stay silent during the prayers, don't take communion, or anything. I'll do the physical motions of the Mass, but I don't put any stock in it anymore.
I recently went with my boyfriend to visit his grandparents, and while we were there, their parish priest showed up to give them Communion and to say prayers because the grandmother has advanced Alzheimer's and they can't get to church all that often. I nodded along politely and was respectful, but when I was offered Communion, I turned it down. That's not my thing anymore, but I'm not going to be mean about it.
I sit quietly through the Mass and obviously don't take communion. And respectful towards the priest since for the last few funerals he was a cousin. ;)
294 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:04:17am |
re: #289 Lidane
I saw that on Twitter this morning. Apparently the media in Italy went apeshit when the sentence was announced.
He owns most of the media in Italy. "Berlusconi' is Italian for 'Murdoch'.
295 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:04:47am |
re: #280 Gretchen G.Tiger
Res ipsa loquitur.
When you teach something that's based on another language entirely, it puts the person at a disadvantage when they don't know the source language and have to rely on someone else entirely. You have to trust in the translations and interpretations.
296 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:06:03am |
re: #295 lawhawk
Res ipsa loquitur.
When you teach something that's based on another language entirely, it puts the person at a disadvantage when they don't know the source language and have to rely on someone else entirely. You have to trust in the translations and interpretations.
Not to mention the translation discussions that start when you encounter an engraving in Aramaic. It might take your mind off of more immediate threats.
297 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:06:51am |
Diana West: Benghazi Attack was a 'Fortunate Event' Because it Helps Romney
Last time we reported on conservative columnist Diana West, she and Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy were agreeing that President Obama is ineligible to be president because his birth certificate is likely a forgery. Gaffney hailed West, who also collaborated with him on his “Team B II Report: Sharia: the Threat to America” [PDF], for her birther “research” and called her a “hero of the Republic.”
West appeared on Gaffney’s radio program once again this week to discuss the Obama administration’s response to the Benghazi attack. West said that the attack was a “fortunate event” because it is “grabbing people’s attention so that we can understand what’s wrong with the American ‘Arab Spring’ policy that Obama has been executing,” giving Mitt Romney an opportunity to criticize Obama’s “lies” and policies “supporting jihad, Muslim Brotherhood actors.”
298 | efuseakay Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:07:54am |
re: #276 Eventual Carrion
On a bill sponsored by two repub representatives. The act specifically said we could not use US military for the goal of regime change.
Bush Jr. Has to get revenge for his daddy because of that (still-unconvincing) assassination plan on his father.
299 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:09:13am |
re: #297 Kragar
Diana West: Benghazi Attack was a 'Fortunate Event' Because it Helps Romney
Am I a bad person for wishing that "fortunate events" could have a larger direct effect on people who think this way rather than those who were working for the State Department?
300 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:09:16am |
re: #297 Kragar
Diana West: Benghazi Attack was a 'Fortunate Event' Because it Helps Romney
"Fortunate event" Four people are dead but Diana West is cool with it because it helps Mitt Romney. Lovely. And I bet this same psycho whined about Obama saying "not optimal" in response to Jon Stewart's question.
301 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:10:00am |
re: #287 Lidane
Same here. I'll go to family weddings, funerals, christenings, etc. I just refuse to take part in the service in my own way -- I stay silent during the prayers, don't take communion, or anything. I'll do the physical motions of the Mass, but I don't put any stock in it anymore.
I recently went with my boyfriend to visit his grandparents, and while we were there, their parish priest showed up to give them Communion and to say prayers because the grandmother has advanced Alzheimer's and they can't get to church all that often. I nodded along politely and was respectful, but when I was offered Communion, I turned it down. That's not my thing anymore, but I'm not going to be mean about it.
Ignoring Church and it's history is also ignoring Western History. Not to mention the Arts and Engineering sciences.
I don't go to church either, but if I have the opportunity to do so in a building that I want to see --I'm more than willing to sit thru the Mass.
I had to do so in D.C. one time. I wanted to see the Bascilica there and the only time we had was on a Sunday morning. IT is beautiful, BTW. I also learned how International Catholics are. I sat in a congregation of people from all over the world. People in their cultural garb, all following different nuances of the same rituals. Everyone knew the Mass, it didn't matter that it was in English.
It was really very cool--as an educational exercise. Didn't make me want to take communion or anything, yet I really got a lot out of it. Which is probably the point of it all--regardless of what the fanatics say.
302 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:10:45am |
re: #291 Eventual Carrion
I guess I needed sarc tags there. IMO Saddam is entirely to blame for the policy of regime change that our President rightly signed, without protest BTW. He could have let that bill die or vetoed. Nope, he just used his pen.
303 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:13:06am |
re: #302 Daniel Ballard
I guess I needed sarc tags there. IMO Saddam is entirely to blame for the policy of regime change that our President rightly signed, without protest BTW. He could have let that bill die or vetoed. Nope, he just used his pen.
I'm glad Saddam is gone.
I just wish we and others could stop meddling --it seems to create more problems that is solves.
as it goes, I guess we either meddle or are meddled with.
humans *sigh*
304 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:13:39am |
re: #297 Kragar
Diana West: Benghazi Attack was a 'Fortunate Event' Because it Helps Romney
Open question to the the conservatives out there: are you guys inflicted with some disease where just have to say the most inappropriate shit at all times.
"Diplomats dying helps Gov Romney."
"We want unneeded voting laws to take the election."
"Pregnancy from rape is a good thing."
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
305 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:14:09am |
re: #302 Daniel Ballard
I guess I needed sarc tags there. IMO Saddam is entirely to blame for the policy of regime change that our President rightly signed, without protest BTW. He could have let that bill die or vetoed. Nope, he just used his pen.
The vote was 360 - 38 yea in the House and unanimous in the Senate. I don't think he had any choice but to sign it.
306 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:14:35am |
Top Romney Adviser: If You Own A Microwave, You Aren’t Really Poor
Yet the access of low-income Americans—those earning less than $20,000 in real 2009 dollars—to devices that are part of the “good life” has increased. The percentage of low-income households with a computer rose to 47.7% from 19.8% in 2001. The percentage of low-income homes with six or more rooms (excluding bathrooms) rose to 30% from 21.9% over the same period.
Appliances? The percentage of low-income homes with air-conditioning equipment rose to 83.5% from 65.8%, with dishwashers to 30.8% from 17.6%, with a washing machine to 62.4% from 57.2%, and with a clothes dryer to 56.5% from 44.9%.
The percentage of low-income households with microwave ovens grew to 92.4% from 74.9% between 2001 and 2009. Fully 75.5% of low-income Americans now have a cell phone, and over a quarter of those have access to the Internet through their phones.
307 | ShaunP Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:14:38am |
Miami Herald Endorses Obama for POTUS
Paraphrasing - "There is no telling what a 'President Romney' would do in office..."
308 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:16:10am |
re: #306 Kragar
Top Romney Adviser: If You Own A Microwave, You Aren’t Really Poor
Yeah, I saw this yesterday. I remember seeing similar crap argued on Fox last year actually. Does this dimwit realize that in 2012 America that a microwave is not a luxury item.
309 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:16:11am |
re: #306 Kragar
Top Romney Adviser: If You Own A Microwave, You Aren’t Really Poor
Because buying a cheap microwave at Goodwill or the Salvation Army means that you're rich.
310 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:16:13am |
re: #301 Gretchen G.Tiger
Ignoring Church and it's history is also ignoring Western History. Not to mention the Arts and Engineering sciences.
I don't go to church either, but if I have the opportunity to do so in a building that I want to see --I'm more than willing to sit thru the Mass.
I had to do so in D.C. one time. I wanted to see the Bascilica there and the only time we had was on a Sunday morning. IT is beautiful, BTW. I also learned how International Catholics are. I sat in a congregation of people from all over the world. People in their cultural garb, all following different nuances of the same rituals. Everyone knew the Mass, it didn't matter that it was in English.
It was really very cool--as an educational exercise. Didn't make me want to take communion or anything, yet I really got a lot out of it. Which is probably the point of it all--regardless of what the fanatics say.
Crawled through half the old churches north of Rome with agnostic eyes. Our village had an ex-Arian Longobard church (still in occasional use) from the sixth century.
[Link: www.vicenzanews.it...]
311 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:16:19am |
Hmm, Romney is supposed to make a "major speech on the economy" shortly according to CNN. Sen Grassley (IA) is currently speaking.
I expect nothing to come of this. Mitt has had oodles of time to say something important or supply sufficient details to give one a grasp of what he plans to do. He is not going to start now.
312 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:17:26am |
Also got to take a tour of the National Cathedral in D.C. --didn't have to attend services for that one --although anyone is welcome to do so, we were told.
WHAT a beautiful gothic structure. There is a moon rock in one of the stained glass windows --Hellen Keller is buried in the crypt --really really cool place.
I highly recommend it if anyone has the chance to go.
The Bascilica (if you are into architeture etc) is also beautiful --Greco-Roman style.
And has the most hilarious Jesus EVAH!!! Yep, right over the altar.
313 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:17:32am |
re: #311 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I expect nothing to come of this. Mitt has had oodles of time to say something important or supply sufficient details to give one a grasp of what he plans to do. He is not going to start now.
Exactly. He's had ages to give policy specifics and to give real information about his economic ideas and he hasn't said shit.
No way in hell that he says anything of value two weeks before the election.
314 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:17:56am |
re: #306 Kragar
Top Romney Adviser: If You Own A Microwave, You Aren’t Really Poor
Yep, living in the 1950's. Microwaves are high-tech. Only the super rich have them.
315 | ShaunP Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:18:04am |
re: #311 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Hmm, Romney is supposed to make a "major speech on the economy" shortly according to CNN. Sen Grassley (IA) is currently speaking.
I expect nothing to come of this. Mitt has had oodles of time to say something important or supply sufficient details to give one a grasp of what he plans to do. He is not going to start now.
Don't you get it? He's got a fool-proof, rock-solid plan - create jobs. I don't know why the president didn't think of that...
*rolleyes*
316 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:18:23am |
Mitt Romney and Meat Loaf sing 'America the Beautiful' (VIDEO) tpm.ly/XusctH— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 26, 2012
318 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:10am |
re: #304 Mattand
Open question to the the conservatives out there: are you guys inflicted with some disease where just have to say the most inappropriate shit at all times.
"Diplomats dying helps Gov Romney."
"We want unneeded voting laws to take the election."
"Pregnancy from rape is a good thing."
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
Who is Diane West?
319 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:20am |
re: #290 b_sharp
How do you know about the Queen City Kids?
Are they in witness protection?
I live in Saskatoon BTW, but I first heard them on CKDM Dauphin, Manitoba
320 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:26am |
re: #308 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I saw this yesterday. I remember seeing similar crap argued on Fox last year actually. Does this dimwit realize that in 2012 America that a microwave is not a luxury item.
I have heard the same shit argued that poor people aren't really "poor" because they have: refrigerators, TVs (especially flat-screen TVs), computers, laptops, cell phones, cars and air conditioners.
321 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:29am |
re: #315 ShaunP
Don't you get it? He's got a fool-proof, rock-solid plan - create jobs. I don't know why the president didn't think of that...
*rolleyes*
I'm so confused about all this. I thought the small-government types didn't want a government that created jobs . . .
Help me out here.
322 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:50am |
323 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:19:51am |
Dear god this circle-jerk of stupidity is painful to watch.
But watch it. Because the guy in a white shirt looks like he's just fucking dying on stage.
324 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:20:02am |
Poor people don't have car elevators.
325 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:21:31am |
re: #319 Jolo5309
Are they in witness protection?
I live in Saskatoon BTW, but I first heard them on CKDM Dauphin, Manitoba
I thought I was the only weird ass from Sask.
I live in the Queen City and the Queen City kids were friends of mine in high school.
My wife once told Kevin he was kind of 'mousy'.
326 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:21:53am |
re: #320 Sheila Broflovski
I have heard the same shit argued that poor people aren't really "poor" because they have: refrigerators, TVs (especially flat-screen TVs), computers, laptops, cell phones, cars and air conditioners.
The air conditioning one really irks me. WTF? So if you're poor you're expected to die of heatstroke in your own apartment during the summer or freeze in the winter?
Also, window AC units aren't cheap, but they also don't cost a million bucks. You can get a decent unit for less than $200 at Home Depot.
327 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:22:28am |
re: #295 lawhawk
Res ipsa loquitur.
When you teach something that's based on another language entirely, it puts the person at a disadvantage when they don't know the source language and have to rely on someone else entirely. You have to trust in the translations and interpretations.
As I understand it, the value of it being a 'dead' language is that it is not changing, which 'living' languages keep doing. That's why it's used in science, especially for naming things. My niece who wants to be an evolutionary biologist is learning Latin, along with her father, my scientist brother, who somehow missed Latin while he was learning Spanish, German, Russian and I forget what else. And he's not the linguist in the family....
328 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:23:19am |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Claiming that Iraq was inevitable, and ignoring the massive, massive propaganda push by the Bush administration-- that's freaking hilarious. It's as though you think you're talking to people who weren't around for it.
329 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:23:38am |
re: #306 Kragar
Top Romney Adviser: If You Own A Microwave, You Aren’t Really Poor
This also reminds me of the Walmart commercials about their "layaway" plan, where poor people buy a bunch of stuff they can't afford and then pay for it forever.
"Layaway" plans are not new, stores have been extending credit for a long time, but it's a way to get people to buy stuff they can't pay for all at once.
330 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:24:54am |
re: #327 wrenchwench
It's just used in science because it's a convention. And unfortunately, Latin and Greek are mixed with great regularity in scientific stuff. And most parts of the body have like three or four different names, since they got independently discovered a lot. Taxonomy is always a mess.
331 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:24:58am |
I have no doubt that if the GI Bill was proposed these days, people like that adviser would complain that it's a handout. Really, a strong and vibrant middle class is good for any country. Unless you're a plutocratic asshole I suppose like Romney's economic advisers.
332 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:25:08am |
re: #326 Lidane
The air conditioning one really irks me. WTF? So if you're poor you're expected to die of heatstroke in your own apartment during the summer or freeze in the winter?
Also, window AC units aren't cheap, but they also don't cost a million bucks. You can get a decent unit for less than $200 at Home Depot.
Our Habitat affiliate got some grief from the national HQ because we build central air into our 'simple, affordable' houses. We told them it would be stupid to pull a family out of poverty by helping build them a house they could never sell in Lower Alabama.
333 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:25:30am |
Also: poor people who most often have bad credit, end up paying MORE for high-ticket items that they have to finance. Like, a car.
334 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:26:00am |
Really, we live in a fucked up society if the poor are going to be resented for having microwaves but we don't even wink an eye when a man needs an elevator for his cars.
335 | wrenchwench Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:26:10am |
re: #323 darthstar
Dear god this circle-jerk of stupidity is painful to watch.
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But watch it. Because the guy in a white shirt looks like he's just fucking dying on stage.
At least they learned not to give Mitt a microphone. Still too many mics up there though.
336 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:26:28am |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
It's always hard to tell but Iraq was probably inevitable.
STFU with that noise. Iraq wasn't inevitable. It was entirely a war of choice.
A reasonable argument can be made that war in Afghanistan was inevitable after 9/11, since we knew that Al Qaeda was there and that the Taliban were actively shielding them, but Iraq? Bitch plz. Totally a war of choice.
337 | Decatur Deb Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:26:30am |
re: #333 Sheila Broflovski
Also: poor people who most often have bad credit, end up paying MORE for high-ticket items that they have to finance. Like, a car.
Then there's the wonderful world of 'rent-to-own'.
338 | sagehen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:26:56am |
re: #274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I'm mainly in them for weddings and funerals. A few as a tourist (Salisbury Cathedral for instance.) In Pittsburgh one Irish RC church was desanctified, sold, and is now a brew pub. With the brewing equipment where the altar used to be.
[Link: www.churchbrew.com...]
NYC used to have a nightclub in a deconsecrated church (Limelight). Now it's a shopping mall, soon to become a department store. Kind of pretty actually...
[Link: ny.racked.com...]
339 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:28:21am |
re: #335 wrenchwench
At least they learned not to give Mitt a microphone. Still too many mics up there though.
The man-hugs at the end are quite touching though. I can almost hear Mitt thinking, ha-ha...I'm so burning this shirt when I get back to the hotel.
340 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:28:30am |
re: #337 Decatur Deb
Then there's the wonderful world of 'rent-to-own'.
Rent to own is one of the biggest scams going. By the time you're done paying rent on that furniture to where you own it, you've easily paid triple what that furniture or appliance is actually worth.
341 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:28:45am |
re: #325 b_sharp
I thought I was the only weird ass from Sask.
I live in the Queen City and the Queen City kids were friends of mine in high school.
My wife once told Kevin he was kind of 'mousy'.
QCK is one of my favourite bands, strangely enough I have never seen them in concert...
342 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:29:28am |
re: #333 Sheila Broflovski
Ditto for homes. You can play around with mortgage calculators on banking sites and see how credit history can affect the rate quoted. Those with best credit histories get rates that can be a quarter to half point lower than those with lower credit (reflecting risks in repayment). It also means that someone with bad credit is going to pay tens (or hundreds) of thousands more for the same property in interest and carrying costs.
343 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:31:52am |
re: #342 lawhawk
Which is precisely why I don't own a home and won't even consider buying property until my student loans are under control and my finances aren't a grad school warzone.
345 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:33:30am |
re: #338 sagehen
NYC used to have a nightclub in a deconsecrated church (Limelight). Now it's a shopping mall, soon to become a department store. Kind of pretty actually...
[Link: ny.racked.com...]
I remember that place.
346 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:33:51am |
Heh:
Mitt Romney's entire economic plan comes down to firing a black guy.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 26, 2012
347 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:34:18am |
Mitt Romney in Iowa: "We will Phase out subsidies when companies are on their feet."#LikeThatLilStartUpExxon— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) October 26, 2012
348 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:35:06am |
re: #336 Lidane
If Bush was weak on Iraq as Gore said he perceived, what should we expect Gore would have done? Patience rewarded by attack after attack on our UN approved forces? Just angry letters? Removal by proxy? Military attacks that fall well short of invasion? Or maybe we can speculate Gore was lying about that perception through and through?
Saddam was going to be big trouble sooner or later. His history makes that much clear. Might just be this would have fallen to Obama. Then what given Arab spring?
349 | alpuz Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:35:36am |
I was raised Catholic. My parents draged me off to church every Sunday. When I was
around 10 or so I had had enough. I figured out a way to sneak down to the basement where I discovered the secret stash of bottled cokes. Apparently I wasn't the only one as someone had graffitied one of the exposed pipes that ran along the ceiling above the stash.
Many a Sunday was spent by my adolescent self pondering the meaning of 'Do Bongs' while I sat drinking pinched cokes. My religion.
350 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:35:56am |
re: #341 Jolo5309
QCK is one of my favourite bands, strangely enough I have never seen them in concert...
My wife and I were introduced by their original roadie/manager M. Martin while sitting in a bar.
When they were called Cambridge, we used to party at Martin's house a lot, while listening to Blue Oyster Cult. You can sometimes hear BOC's influence in their music (although they denied it at the time).
One party in particular comes to mind where a number of us convinced one of the girls to go downstairs and grab something out of the freezer (I can't remember what). It was an empty, unplugged freezer where a bare bottomed Alex was hiding. She jumped pretty high when he mooned her.
351 | Sheila Broflovski Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:37:14am |
re: #342 lawhawk
Ditto for homes. You can play around with mortgage calculators on banking sites and see how credit history can affect the rate quoted. Those with best credit histories get rates that can be a quarter to half point lower than those with lower credit (reflecting risks in repayment). It also means that someone with bad credit is going to pay tens (or hundreds) of thousands more for the same property in interest and carrying costs.
Which is why the banking mortgage industry was so eager to sell subprime loans to people who couldn't qualify for better rates, and then tried to hide all the bad paper in bundles of other securities.
The collapse of the housing bubble is not that poor people bought properties they couldn't afford, but that the mortgage industry aggressively marketed to this demographic and then did all kinds of tricks to disguise the bad loans.
352 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:37:17am |
re: #348 Daniel Ballard
Doesn't really matter. History unfolded the way it did, and it's obvious an invasion of Iraq was not inevitable. The Bush administration spent tons of political capital, pushed tons of propaganda, and burned huge amounts of US credibility abroad in order to launch the invasion. It was one of the least inevitable things ever.
353 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:38:24am |
Mayor Bloomberg is holding a presser at 3pm today to go over storm preparations ahead of next week's Frankenstorm (ed: can we get a better name?) Experts are predicting a landfall in southern NJ to the Delmarva, which puts the brunt of the winds and storm surge into the NYC metro area and Long Island. Coastal flooding is expected to be significant to severe for much of the East Coast.
Whether the experts will consider this to be a tropical or extra-tropical system at landfall is besides the point. The storm is expected to be significant with damage likely across a large portion of the DC to NYC to Boston corridor. Potential for significant snow accumulations well inland. Rainfall possibilities include up to 10 inches or more locally in and around the NYC metro.
Dr. Masters puts the brunt further south - towards Delaware and Maryland and lesser rainfall/damage north.
354 | allegro Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:38:47am |
re: #343 Lidane
Which is precisely why I don't own a home and won't even consider buying property until my student loans are under control and my finances aren't a grad school warzone.
I won't buy property again because I learned a big lesson being a homeowner. I'd always been taught that buying a home was an investment for the future what with the equity and all. I sold my home several years before the meltdown and had quite a lot of equity in it but when I stepped back and took a look at it, I saw a huge net loss over the years. The costs of maintenance, replacing the roof, HVAC, pool repairs, new fences, on and on vastly exceeded any "profits" at the time of sales.
If you want a home to enjoy, that's great. As an investment? I think that's a pile of crap we've been fed.
355 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:41:32am |
re: #305 Eventual Carrion
The vote was 360 - 38 yea in the House and unanimous in the Senate. I don't think he had any choice but to sign it.
So we should note there were more than a few democrats in there. Besides it was obviously the right policy. Saddams actions made that much necessary.
356 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:42:16am |
re: #354 allegro
If you want a home to enjoy, that's great. As an investment? I think that's a pile of crap we've been fed.
Yeah, it's not an investment. It's just a massive liability that you spend decades paying off.
That's not to say that owning a home is a bad thing. If you're raising a family or wanting to put down roots and build a stable life, there's nothing wrong with home ownership. I just don't see the point anytime soon for me. Until I get things in order and can see my way clear, it's not even an option.
357 | CuriousLurker Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:42:26am |
re: #309 Lidane
Because buying a cheap microwave at Goodwill or the Salvation Army means that you're rich.
Yeah, and it's not possible that poor people ever receive gifts like a microwave from friends or family members who are better off and want to make their lives a bit easier. You can find a new microwave oven, albeit a small one, for under $50 if you shop around.
But let's not consider any of that. Let's assume that the poor people are actaully just lazy, greedy people gaming the system and using the extra money to buy fancy $400 microwaves to go with their iPhones.
What? Oh, that cell phone the poor person has isn't an iPhone? It's one one of those free Lifeline phones?
358 | sagehen Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:43:06am |
re: #352 Obdicut
Doesn't really matter. History unfolded the way it did, and it's obvious an invasion of Iraq was not inevitable. The Bush administration spent tons of political capital, pushed tons of propaganda, and burned huge amounts of US credibility abroad in order to launch the invasion. It was one of the least inevitable things ever.
If we'd have done Afghanistan right -- gone full out after Bin Laden instead of diverting resources -- and taken the opportunity to restore relations with Iran (they were being really sweet to us right then, and they did in fact provide a lot of very useful, practical, on-the-ground assistance with our initial invasion, they had their own reasons for hating Al Qaeda almost as much as we did) -- Saddam would have rolled over like a puppy, no invasion necessary. And Iran probably wouldn't even care about a nuclear program. The world would be a better place today.
If we fucked up Afg as much as we did and still invaded Iraq -- if we'd let Colin Powell overrule Donald Rumsfeld on how to do it and what to do post-war... again, we'd have gotten better results and quicker and for less money, and the world would be a much better place today.
359 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:43:38am |
Cairo’s ‘terrorist cell’ planned to assassinate political figures: report
Also on Thursday, Egypt announced that a Libyan militant suspected of involvement in last month’s attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya has been killed during the same raid by Egyptian security forces in Cairo.
The Libyan, identified as Karim Ahmed Essam al-Azizi, was killed by a bomb he had tried to use against the security forces during Wednesday’s raid, a security official was quoted by Reuters as saying.
The official declined to say if the four militants detained by the police were linked to Azizi or not.
It was not immediately clear what role Azizi had played in the assault on the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi on Sept. 11, in which the ambassador, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans were killed.
The security official, who asked not to be named, said Azizi had been living in a rented apartment in Nasr City for the past three months. He said police had found 15 bombs, 195 hand grenades and various weapons, including assault rifles, in the Libyan’s flat.
360 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:43:47am |
Romney Campaign Chair: Colin Powell Endorsed Obama Because He Is Black
In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan this evening, Romney Campaign Co-Chair and former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu (R-NH) offered a surprising theory on why General Colin Powell endorsed President Obama for reelection today — because both men are black:
SUNUNU: You have to wonder whether that’s an endorsement based on issues or that he’s got a slightly different reason for President Obama.MORGAN: What reason would that be?
SUNUNU: Well, I think that when you have somebody of your own race that you’re proud of being President of the United States — I applaud Colin for standing with him.
361 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:43:57am |
re: #255 Lidane
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John McCain's still bitter about not getting Powell's endorsement four years ago.
362 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:44:40am |
re: #360 Kragar
Romney Campaign Chair: Colin Powell Endorsed Obama Because He Is Black
Is Sununu saying he's supporting Romney because he's white?
363 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:44:53am |
re: #352 Obdicut
Doesn't really matter. History unfolded the way it did, and it's obvious an invasion of Iraq was not inevitable. The Bush administration spent tons of political capital, pushed tons of propaganda, and burned huge amounts of US credibility abroad in order to launch the invasion. It was one of the least inevitable things ever.
The invasion was not inevitable. Dealing with Saddam was. The carrot had failed many times over. Next the only question is the timing and size of the stick. UN endorsed, by proxy, or unilateral action.
I agree we should not have invaded on false pretense. Saddams admission in his interviews made it clear he was going to re start WMD programs given any opportunity. He felt them necessary, and felt immune from the US.
364 | allegro Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:45:42am |
re: #360 Kragar
Romney Campaign Chair: Colin Powell Endorsed Obama Because He Is Black
So Sununu is admitting to voting for Romney cuz he's white?
365 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:46:01am |
re: #355 Daniel Ballard
So we should note there were more than a few democrats in there. Besides it was obviously the right policy. Saddams actions made that much necessary.
Invading Iraq was not inevitable. We already had him contained after years of no-fly zones and sanctions. I don't buy that we had no other choice, especially after the relentless propaganda from the Bush administration.
Even back during the first Gulf War the same GOP hawks that demanded war then outright said that invasion would be a bad idea because of the nightmare of stabilizing Iraq afterwards. Then they turned around and ignored their own advice.
Solving Dubya's daddy issues with our military was not inevitable.
366 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:48:21am |
re: #363 Daniel Ballard
...and Saddam's gamble is that he could live under sanctions indefinitely. The "oil for food" scam was working out well for him. He and his family was quite happy under sanctions. I have little doubt he'd still be happy today.
367 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:51:26am |
Paul Ryan: Providing Women With Affordable Contraception Is A ‘Threat’ To The Poor
Paul Ryan spoke on the subject of poverty in Cleveland, Wednesday, making the argument that the Republican ticket cares about the poor but has a different approach to alleviating poverty in America. Ryan argued that government gets in the way of private giving and charities that help the poor, and used health care reform's contraception coverage rule as an example.
Nothing undermines the essential and honorable work these groups do quite like the abuse of government power. Take what happened this past January, when the Department of Health and Human Services issued new rules requiring Catholic hospitals, charities and universities to violate their deepest principles. Never mind your own conscience, they were basically told – from now on you’re going to do things the government’s way.
This mandate isn’t just a threat to religious charities. It’s a threat to all those who turn to them in times of need. In the name of strengthening our safety net, this mandate and others will weaken it.
368 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:52:31am |
re: #363 Daniel Ballard
The invasion was not inevitable. Dealing with Saddam was.
So is dealing with every other nation ruled by tyrants. I have no idea why people elevate Saddam over the other assholes.
370 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:53:28am |
re: #365 Lidane
Solving Dubya's daddy issues with our military was not inevitable.
Funny you should mention daddy issues...Mitt Romney apparently wrote "dad" on a piece of paper before every debate. And his daddy did fail to become president.
371 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:55:11am |
re: #368 Obdicut
That little chem war and the Kuwait invasion has an impact on the perceived threat from him. Rightly so IMO. The tragedy of our mistakes do not reduce the threat Saddam presented in any way.
372 | efuseakay Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:55:24am |
re: #366 Killgore Trout
...and Saddam's gamble is that he could live under sanctions indefinitely. The "oil for food" scam was working out well for him. He and his family was quite happy under sanctions. I have little doubt he'd still be happy today.
And he'd still have no WMD.
373 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:55:37am |
re: #350 b_sharp
My wife and I were introduced by their original roadie/manager M. Martin while sitting in a bar.
When they were called Cambridge, we used to party at Martin's house a lot, while listening to Blue Oyster Cult. You can sometimes hear BOC's influence in their music (although they denied it at the time).
One party in particular comes to mind where a number of us convinced one of the girls to go downstairs and grab something out of the freezer (I can't remember what). It was an empty, unplugged freezer where a bare bottomed Alex was hiding. She jumped pretty high when he mooned her.
So we really should have started our own civic election thread on LGF, just to confuse everyone.
374 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:55:43am |
re: #365 Lidane
Invading Iraq was not inevitable. We already had him contained after years of no-fly zones and sanctions. I don't buy that we had no other choice, especially after the relentless propaganda from the Bush administration.
Not just no-fly zones and sanctions. I read an article in Harper's back in 2003 before the invasion that listed the longest number of days since 1992 without a US bomb landing on Iraqi soil...in 12 years, the longest we went without some kind of sortie was six days...
375 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:55:56am |
re: #368 Obdicut
So is dealing with every other nation ruled by tyrants. I have no idea why people elevate Saddam over the other assholes.
The US destroyed him first.
376 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:57:12am |
re: #366 Killgore Trout
KG.....I have not been on-line for a week or so but was looking at some old posts and noticed one where you were contemplation not voting in this election. I don't know if you have reconsidered or not, but as someone who holds a local elected office, I really think you should vote. At the local level, records of who votes and who doesn't are scrutinized by a variety of groups. In lots of cases local elections bring out less than 10% of the voting population. Your particular town, city, village....whatever is really honest to God hurt at the county and state level by low voter turnout. By hurt I mean the ability for your local jurisdiction to get grants and funds. Besides if you are ever in the position to need your local guys to help you out, they will be looking to see if you routinely vote to determine whether to spend political capital on either your or your issue. So I do hope you do go out and vote regardless of who you decide on.
377 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:57:57am |
re: #373 Jolo5309
So we really should have started our own civic election thread on LGF, just to confuse everyone.
That would have been a good idea.
Do you ever listen to Gormley or Adler?
378 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:00:19am |
re: #370 darthstar
Funny you should mention daddy issues...Mitt Romney apparently wrote "dad" on a piece of paper before every debate. And his daddy did fail to become president.
If either of my son's ran for office someday and wrote "Dad" on a piece of paper before a major campaign event, I, from wherever my soul ranged, would feel my existence as a father was glorified.
379 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:00:30am |
re: #371 Daniel Ballard
That little chem war and the Kuwait invasion has an impact on the perceived threat from him. Rightly so IMO. The tragedy of our mistakes do not reduce the threat Saddam presented in any way.
The invasion of Kuwait was in the past, and it ended with Saddam's riotous defeat. No idea why that's supposed to elevate his threat level-- especially to the US, since Kuwait isn't the US.
Saddam wasn't a threat to the US in any significant fashion, at all. He wasn't more of a threat to stability in the region than ousting him would be, kind of bey definition.
The reason that we invaded based on false pretenses is because we wouldn't have invaded if the false pretenses had not been sold to the American public. There was not, in any other way, enough motivation to invade Iraq and depose Saddam, because it was clear he presented no threat to the US.
I have no idea why, in 2012, we have to have this argument again, except the eternal march to revise history when it doesn't suit people. The invasion of Iraq was not inevitable. "Dealing" with Iraq, whatever the fuck that means, was something that we've been doing forever, and we are continuing to do now.
380 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:01:03am |
re: #355 Daniel Ballard
So we should note there were more than a few democrats in there. Besides it was obviously the right policy. Saddams actions made that much necessary.
Yes there were. Still many people believing the lie of 'throwing babies out of incubators'. It would have been political suicide to vote not to do something because the lies had been bought by the American people.
381 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:01:35am |
re: #378 Big Steve
If either of my son's ran for office someday and wrote "Dad" on a piece of paper before a major campaign event, I, from wherever my soul ranged, would feel my existence as a father was glorified.
What if your son was running in a fashion that was completely inconsistent with your values?
382 | danarchy Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:02:44am |
re: #354 allegro
I won't buy property again because I learned a big lesson being a homeowner. I'd always been taught that buying a home was an investment for the future what with the equity and all. I sold my home several years before the meltdown and had quite a lot of equity in it but when I stepped back and took a look at it, I saw a huge net loss over the years. The costs of maintenance, replacing the roof, HVAC, pool repairs, new fences, on and on vastly exceeded any "profits" at the time of sales.
If you want a home to enjoy, that's great. As an investment? I think that's a pile of crap we've been fed.
Depends on when you get in and out of the market really. I have a friend who bought a house in 1998 and sold it 5 years later for nearly double what he paid. He was pretty lucky, but turned out to be a hell of an investment for him.
383 | Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:02:53am |
So -- I don't see any connection errors in the logs from last night. Looks like we got the backup script tuned up so it doesn't interfere with connections any more.
384 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:04:43am |
re: #381 Obdicut
What if your son was running in a fashion that was completely inconsistent with your values?
My values are my values my son's can have their own. I for one, am atheistic. If one of my son's became Christian, so be it. The point is that most just sit around and complain. Like them or not, people who run for President really put themselves out there. We can vote against them if we like but we should cherish them for trying.
385 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:05:16am |
re: #382 danarchy
Depends on when you get in and out of the market really. I have a friend who bought a house in 1998 and sold it 5 years later for nearly double what he paid. He was pretty lucky, but turned out to be a hell of an investment for him.
Really.
10 years ago, we could have bought a house for a bad ABBA song. Today, the cost of a house is 4 times what it was then.
386 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:07:02am |
387 | Kragar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:07:42am |
McCain Dumps On Powell Again: He ‘Got Us Into Iraq’
John McCain had some more critical words for Colin Powell on Friday, saying the former Secretary of State’s involvement in the Iraq War should hurt his political appeal. Powell endorsed Obama this week for a second straight election.
“Colin Powell, interestingly enough, said that Obama got us out of Iraq,” McCain told the National Review. “But it was Colin Powell, with his testimony before the U.N. Security Council, that got us into Iraq.”
McCain lit into Powell on Thursday over his backing for Obama.
“General Powell, you disappoint us and you have harmed your legacy even further by defending what is clearly the most feckless foreign policy in my lifetime,” McCain said on Brian Kilmeade’s radio program.
McCain went on to add, "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
388 | allegro Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:07:51am |
re: #380 Eventual Carrion
Yes there were. Still many people believing the lie of 'throwing babies out of incubators'. It would have been political suicide to vote not to do something because the lies had been bought by the American people.
That is the truth. I was surrounded by RAH! RAH! War! for weeks and months that just got continually louder. Went to lunch with a co-worker one day and expressed my feelings on the lies we were being told and the stupidity of going to war with Iraq and unleashing that hornet's nest, asking the question that no one else was asking: what then? My co-worker had this look of surprise, saying that he'd never heard anyone say that stuff before. Then he looked around nervously to see if anyone else heard me, as if we would be lynched on the sign post if they did. It was fucking treason.
389 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:09:58am |
re: #387 Kragar
McCain Dumps On Powell Again: He ‘Got Us Into Iraq’
McCain went on to add, "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
It's sad this is what he's been reduced to. Shame, I thought he'd become more statesmanly after dealing with that idiot birther Heyworth in his primary.
390 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:11:42am |
Went and did my civic duty and voted. Now it's just the waiting game till the 6th and then I'll do another part of my civic duty and be a volunteer poll worker.
I also filled out a questionare so that I'll be in the jury pool for 2013.
Citizenship.
Duty is not passive.
391 | Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:11:44am |
re: #376 Big Steve
KG.....I have not been on-line for a week or so but was looking at some old posts and noticed one where you were contemplation not voting in this election. I don't know if you have reconsidered or not, but as someone who holds a local elected office, I really think you should vote. At the local level, records of who votes and who doesn't are scrutinized by a variety of groups. In lots of cases local elections bring out less than 10% of the voting population. Your particular town, city, village....whatever is really honest to God hurt at the county and state level by low voter turnout. By hurt I mean the ability for your local jurisdiction to get grants and funds. Besides if you are ever in the position to need your local guys to help you out, they will be looking to see if you routinely vote to determine whether to spend political capital on either your or your issue. So I do hope you do go out and vote regardless of who you decide on.
I'm still thinking about it. I'm pretty disgusted with our national political culture. I'm trying to not let the daily abuse and insults from my fellow Obama supporters sour me but I have become more emotionally removed from my politics, maybe it's starting to border on apathy.
392 | darthstar Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:12:57am |
re: #378 Big Steve
If either of my son's ran for office someday and wrote "Dad" on a piece of paper before a major campaign event, I, from wherever my soul ranged, would feel my existence as a father was glorified.
Mitt's 65 years old...not 27.
393 | The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:13:40am |
Ronald Reagan Made A ‘First Time’ Voting Joke 32 Years Before Lena Dunham Did
On Thursday night, at a working class bar in Bayonne, N.J., Reagan said, “I know what it’s like to pull the Republican lever for the first time, because I used to be a Democrat myself, and I can tell you it only hurts for a minute and then it feels just great.”
Meanwhile, reactions to this ad have gone from pearl-clutching over sluttiness to accusing BHO of being a bad parent, and/or direct communication with Satan, and the elegant logic of "Putin did the same joke, therefore Dunham and/or the President are clearly vicious dictators who're going to dose you with polonium."
Derp.
394 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:13:42am |
re: #379 Obdicut
Please take this as in support of dealing with Saddam eventually not the invasion itself.
He was a serial attacker. Iran, Kuwait, his own territory. His own words from jail are what what I base much of his intent on, and his frequent attacks on UN sanctioned forces in the no fly zones. Many of his neighbors wanted him out over the threat he posed.
I really don't like the weirdly moved goal posts implied in "no threat to the US". While (perhaps) strictly true, it misleads one into forgetting the manifold interests we have over there.
Was the plot to kill Bush senior also no threat to the US? Seems a stretch to deny a valid point against Saddam.
Lots of tyrants in the M.E. Few have invaded two countries and gassed their own people.
395 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:14:48am |
re: #384 Big Steve
My values are my values my son's can have their own. I for one, am atheistic. If one of my son's became Christian, so be it. The point is that most just sit around and complain. Like them or not, people who run for President really put themselves out there. We can vote against them if we like but we should cherish them for trying.
What the hell? No, I don't cherish people for running for president regardless of their merits or values or what they do to get there. That's really silly. David Duke gets nothing from me for running for president.
Romney's father released his tax returns because he wanted to be accountable to the American people and thought they deserved that. His son doesn't. There's quite a few other differences between the two, and in all comparisons I've seen, Romney Sr. comes out much the more principled and ethical.
It's fine for Romney to write 'dad'. I wish he acted more like his dad.
396 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:16:13am |
re: #393 The Ghost of a Flea
Ronald Reagan Made A ‘First Time’ Voting Joke 32 Years Before Lena Dunham Did
Meanwhile, reactions to this ad have gone from pearl-clutching over sluttiness to accusing BHO of being a bad parent, and/or direct communication with Satan, and the elegant logic of "Putin did the same joke, therefore Dunham and/or the President are clearly vicious dictators who're going to dose you with polonium."
Derp.
Direct communication with Satan?!?! Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah these people get mad about Lena Dunham's ad but could care less about children being hungry and people unable to afford to send their kids to college. The fucking priorities some people in this country have.
397 | Mattand Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:16:33am |
re: #318 NJDhockeyfan
Context, por favor. I'm getting Google results for Dianne Weist the actress, and Diana West, a columninst for the Washington Times.
398 | efuseakay Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:17:02am |
re: #394 Daniel Ballard
Please take this as in support of dealing with Saddam eventually not the invasion itself.
He was a serial attacker. Iran, Kuwait, his own territory. His own words from jail are what what I base much of his intent on, and his frequent attacks on UN sanctioned forces in the no fly zones. Many of his neighbors wanted him out over the threat he posed.
I really don't like the weirdly moved goal posts implied in "no threat to the US". While (perhaps) strictly true, it misleads one into forgetting the manifold interests we have over there.
Was the plot to kill Bush senior also no threat to the US? Seems a stretch to deny a valid point against Saddam.
Lots of tyrants in the M.E. Few have invaded two countries and gassed their own people.
None are worth thousands of American deaths.
399 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:18:19am |
re: #394 Daniel Ballard
Please take this as in support of dealing with Saddam eventually not the invasion itself.
He was a serial attacker. Iran, Kuwait, his own territory. His own words from jail are what what I base much of his intent on, and his frequent attacks on UN sanctioned forces in the no fly zones. Many of his neighbors wanted him out over the threat he posed.
Most of his neighbors are themselves assholes, though. And the US can't really object to people being serial attackers. We've launched more invasions, wars, police actions, etc. than any other nation.
I really don't like the weirdly moved goal posts implied in "no threat to the US". While (perhaps) strictly true, it misleads one into forgetting the manifold interests we have over there.
It's not a moved goalpost. Saddam was sold as a threat to the US. He wasn't. His biggest enemy in the region was Iran. Al Queda hated him too. He was a lackadaisical enemy of Saudi Arabia, our allies who are shitheads on human rights.
Lots of tyrants in the M.E. Few have invaded two countries and gassed their own people.
The invasion of Iran is something that we encouraged, by giving Iraq targeting data. Using it as a justification for invading Iraq when we encouraged it is pretty shameful.
400 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:21:25am |
I also think that a large portion of the political polarization we have stems from the propaganda war waged by the Bush administration in order to sell the false pretenses for the war on Iraq. The critics, the cooler heads, the people making sober warnings were dismissed, ridiculed, personally attacked, called cowards, etc. etc. Pretending that people who had valid concerns were moonbats and hippies made it easier to ignore them, but it wasn't true and it caused a huge divide in the country. That was probably the biggest cost to the US from the Iraq war.
401 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:21:52am |
re: #399 Obdicut
[snip]
The invasion of Iran is something that we encouraged, by giving Iraq targeting data. Using it as a justification for invading Iraq when we encouraged it is pretty shameful.
Well, we did invade them for supposedly still possessing weapons that we sold them. And for possibly having a nuclear weapons lab that our friends Pakistan supposedly helped them with (at least one or two of their scientists).
402 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:22:57am |
re: #392 darthstar
Mitt's 65 years old...not 27.
I had not realized there was a time limit to how long you could respect your parents. Thanks for cluing me in.
403 | Lidane Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:24:03am |
In retrospect, it was really nice of people to take a break from watching online porn to opine on Lena Dunham's "First Time" video.— Invisible Obama (@InvisibleObama) October 26, 2012
404 | efuseakay Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:25:53am |
re: #394 Daniel Ballard
Please take this as in support of dealing with Saddam eventually not the invasion itself.
He was a serial attacker. Iran, Kuwait, his own territory. His own words from jail are what what I base much of his intent on, and his frequent attacks on UN sanctioned forces in the no fly zones. Many of his neighbors wanted him out over the threat he posed.
I really don't like the weirdly moved goal posts implied in "no threat to the US". While (perhaps) strictly true, it misleads one into forgetting the manifold interests we have over there.
Was the plot to kill Bush senior also no threat to the US? Seems a stretch to deny a valid point against Saddam.
Lots of tyrants in the M.E. Tag. You're it! I know this guy who would be perfect for you, but don't take my word for it... Only one way to find out. Come say hi! ;)
Jeff have invaded two countries and gassed their own people.
If his neighbors wanted him out, they should have done so. Again, he was not worth losing thousands of American lives over. He was no threat to us.
405 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:26:46am |
re: #391 Killgore Trout
I'm still thinking about it. I'm pretty disgusted with our national political culture. I'm trying to not let the daily abuse and insults from my fellow Obama supporters sour me but I have become more emotionally removed from my politics, maybe it's starting to border on apathy.
Well one thing you can say about national politics is that it is good at what they intend to do. It is no longer good enough to just be a better choice.....you have to make people HATE the other guy. This is very clear around here where some won't even give Mitt Romney grudging respect for rising to the challenge. So if you don't buy into the hate hate hate brainwashing and honestly see pluses and minuses to either candidate it does get depressing for taking the abuse.
406 | Interesting Times Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:30:02am |
re: #405 Big Steve
his is very clear around here where some won't even give Mitt Romney grudging respect for rising to the challenge.
Anyone who'd endorse a misogynist creep like Richard Mourdock deserves not a nanogram of "respect". Sometimes contempt and derision are richly earned.
407 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:30:02am |
re: #405 Big Steve
Well one thing you can say about national politics is that it is good at what they intend to do. It is no longer good enough to just be a better choice.....you have to make people HATE the other guy. This is very clear around here where some won't even give Mitt Romney grudging respect for rising to the challenge. So if you don't buy into the hate hate hate brainwashing and honestly see pluses and minuses to either candidate it does get depressing for taking the abuse.
Well when the other guy says something like 47% of the population are moochers and complainers. He earns your disliking. For the record. I don't really hate Mitt Romney. I do however intensely dislike the man and he's done his share to earn that. And regarding Romney hatred, look at Charles' thread upstairs. There is basically a whole cottage industry dedicated to hating Obama. Can't say that about Romney. And no I don't give grudging respect to him rising to the challenge. It's not easy to run for president I admit but lots of people including some very unsavory individuals run for president.
408 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:30:21am |
re: #405 Big Steve
You've asserted I should give Romney respect for running. You haven't actually given a logical explanation for why that should be true.
Romney has a lot of positions, a lot of them, that I find truly morally abhorrent. His bigotry towards gay people alone turns my stomach.
But mostly, I'm opposed to Romney because of the bullshit that he emanates on every subject, the completely contradictory promises he makes, and the irreconcilability between what he says on one day and what he says on another.
It may comfort you to pretend that this is unreasoning hate on my part, but it's not. I'm adamantly opposed to Romney because of actual reasons based on his actions, positions, and policies.
Why do you feel the need to insult other people by claiming that they're brainwashed? Where does this arrogance come from?
409 | Amory Blaine Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:31:13am |
re: #393 The Ghost of a Flea
Ronald Reagan Made A ‘First Time’ Voting Joke 32 Years Before Lena Dunham Did
Meanwhile, reactions to this ad have gone from pearl-clutching over sluttiness to accusing BHO of being a bad parent, and/or direct communication with Satan, and the elegant logic of "Putin did the same joke, therefore Dunham and/or the President are clearly vicious dictators who're going to dose you with polonium."
Derp.
I imagine Satan with a bluetooth earpiece.
410 | William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:35:44am |
re: #405 Big Steve
Mittens has proven, repeatedly, that he has nothing but contempt for everything other than money. He has never once done anything to earn my respect.
Once upon a time, KT had. Unfortunately since he got scared of the reds under his bed from OWS, he pissed that away in trolling, whining about not reading things he posts about & refusing to do what Citizens should do (not what they must do under threat of law, just what they should to keep the nation, states & municipalities running). I keep hoping he'll sober up, metaphorically, after the election but I have my doubts that he will if his Mittens looses.
411 | HappyWarrior Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:38:06am |
re: #408 Obdicut
You've asserted I should give Romney respect for running. You haven't actually given a logical explanation for why that should be true.
Romney has a lot of positions, a lot of them, that I find truly morally abhorrent. His bigotry towards gay people alone turns my stomach.
But mostly, I'm opposed to Romney because of the bullshit that he emanates on every subject, the completely contradictory promises he makes, and the irreconcilability between what he says on one day and what he says on another.
It may comfort you to pretend that this is unreasoning hate on my part, but it's not. I'm adamantly opposed to Romney because of actual reasons based on his actions, positions, and policies.
Why do you feel the need to insult other people by claiming that they're brainwashed? Where does this arrogance come from?
Yes, his views on gays alone is what makes me refuse to think of him in a positive light. I take that one very personally having a gay relative who would if Romney had his way have his marriage invalidated. And for what? To satisfy Romney and the bigots that support him who think his marriage is against the Bible? Really, my Dad had a saying when my brothers and I were growing up that respect is earned. What has Mitt Romney done to earn my respect? Honestly, nothing, he has shown disdain for me simply because I don't share his ideology per the 47% remark. He has basically said that people like me with a pre-existing medical condition should be denied healthcare insurance if an insurer so deems it even if he runs away from that now. Yeah, I dislike the man and don't respect him. Why should I?
412 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:54:18am |
re: #377 b_sharp
That would have been a good idea.
Do you ever listen to Gormley or Adler?
Do you think people would be confused by our mention of Novak and Mazurkewich?
When I get a chance I listen to Gormley & Adler but I am a cubicle drone so I cannot listen to them at work unless I use headphones. I do Engineering Support so I spend a lot of time on the phone as well.
Gormley wouldn't be happy with who I voted for in the election as she is an SGEU rep, but she was better than the option.
413 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 11:59:07am |
re: #412 Jolo5309
Do you think people would be confused by our mention of Novak and Mazurkewich?
When I get a chance I listen to Gormley & Adler but I am a cubicle drone so I cannot listen to them at work unless I use headphones. I do Engineering Support so I spend a lot of time on the phone as well.
Gormley wouldn't be happy with who I voted for in the election as she is an SGEU rep, but she was better than the option.
Or Fougere and Okochi.
I drive a lot so I need something to keep me awake when I'm out of Wolf/Z99 range so I listen to them. They drive me nuts but keep me awake.
Their normal state of being is 'too wrong'.
414 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:03:00pm |
re: #399 Obdicut
Saddam was sold as a threat to us and our interests in the region. Really that's what the phrase means, not just strictly the territory we have.
415 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:04:23pm |
re: #413 b_sharp
Or Fougere and Okochi.
I drive a lot so I need something to keep me awake when I'm out of Wolf/Z99 range so I listen to them. They drive me nuts but keep me awake.
Their normal state of being is 'too wrong'.
I moved back to Saskatoon from Calgary... Adler is a moderate compared to Rutherford.
416 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:06:09pm |
re: #404 efuseakay
If his neighbors wanted him out, they should have done so. Again, he was not worth losing thousands of American lives over. He was no threat to us.
We did not lose thousands of troops removing him from power. We lost them trying to nation build. Might be the right play (once we fucked up and rolled in) was leave as fast as we could after his fall or maybe capture.
Again I assert a threat to our key interests is a threat to us. If Iran attacked Saudi, would you say it's no threat to us? Israel? Jordan? I would not.
417 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:09:59pm |
re: #414 Daniel Ballard
Saddam was sold as a threat to us and our interests in the region. Really that's what the phrase means, not just strictly the territory we have.
Without the sale of the idea that he was a threat to the US, we wouldn't have invaded. That he was a destabalizing force in the region was a kind of polite fiction, since he was also a stabilizing force, and his ouster has hardly stabilized anything.
418 | b_sharp Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:10:17pm |
re: #415 Jolo5309
I moved back to Saskatoon from Calgary... Adler is a moderate compared to Rutherford.
I've never heard of Rutherford. Is he a Rush Limbaugh clone?
419 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:11:18pm |
re: #416 Daniel Ballard
If Iran attacked Saudi Arabia I'd wonder where they got all the teleporter pads.
And yeah, it wouldn't be a threat to the US.
By your logic, the US invasion of Iraq was a threat to the US.
420 | Jolo5309 Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:13:09pm |
re: #418 b_sharp
I've never heard of Rutherford. Is he a Rush Limbaugh clone?
I wouldn't call him a Limbaugh clone, we don't really have that here. Rutherford has the morning show on CJOB and is to the right of Adler, surprisingly enough he is not on Sun News.
He is very Wildrose Party and considers Redford to be a socialist.
421 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:21:21pm |
re: #419 Obdicut
Teleporter pads? Sarc or silly? Hard to tell here. Iran has missiles that can reach the whole region.
If I understand you we have no interests in the M.E. worth defending with force. Good luck with that in realpolitik. It's false.
422 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:23:33pm |
re: #421 Daniel Ballard
Teleporter pads? Sarc or silly? Hard to tell here. Iran has missiles that can reach the whole region.
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Missiles are not an invasion. Jesus.
If I understand you we have no interests in the M.E. worth defending with force. Good luck with that in realpolitik. It's false
Why 'understand' something I never said?
423 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:41:50pm |
re: #422 Obdicut
Missiles are not an invasion. Jesus.
Why 'understand' something I never said?
Okay so we agree we do have interests there worth defending. Like Saudi Arabia is worth defending. Like them or not we have an agreement. Those agreements are not limited to who you like or not.
424 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:14:16pm |
re: #423 Daniel Ballard
I do not agree Saudi Arabia is worth defending. Please do not put words in my mouths. Saudi Arabia is ruled by a misogynistic dynasty of absolute assholes, and I do not want a single American life lost defending that corrupt state.
425 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:15:26pm |
I also don't get this fantasy where Iran just starts raining missiles down on its neighbors; why that would happen, what Iran would stand to gain from it. Is this just a scenario where they become North Korea part Deux?
426 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:04:46pm |
re: #424 Obdicut
I apologize for thinking and posting you would agree our long agreements with Saudi Arabia are reason to defend them. Interesting though that you would suggest we just up and break those agreements. If Saudi fell to the extremists and the oil stopped flowing west you might really regret it. Maybe. Global economic consequences would likely be severe.
So back to where we almost started-Do you deny that we have interests in the region worth defending by force if necessary?
re: #425 Obdicut
I also don't get this fantasy where Iran just starts raining missiles down on its neighbors; why that would happen, what Iran would stand to gain from it. Is this just a scenario where they become North Korea part Deux?
Was it a fantasy to have a deterrence policy in the cold war? Maybe in the abstract but reality was what it was. IMO it's a fantasy to ignore nuclear armed nations and proliferation. History teaches us that nations will respond to nuclear armed nations that they have tensions with.
You say this is fantasy as if missiles ready to go would not constitute a threat. As if there were and are no sources of serious tension between Saudi and Iran. As if missile war would be new to the region. Well Saudi Arabia and Iran are strategic opponents in terms of religion and energy economics.
And again we have binding agreements. The US has interests in the region it can will and in some cases must fight for. And that is all we need to know for the discussion of how Bush described the threat from Iraq as a threat to America includes our interests in the M.E. with or without our approval.
The rest of your points are your valid objections to US policy, a quite separate topic from how Bush meant "threat to the US". That phrase is clearly meany to include our interests, treaties and obligations. Just to get back to where we started many comments ago. All this discussion in a dozen or so posts just to back up my point about what a President means when he says "threat to the US".
427 | Obdicut Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:13:40pm |
re: #426 Daniel Ballard
I apologize for thinking and posting you would agree our long agreements with Saudi Arabia are reason to defend them. Interesting though that you would suggest we just up and break those agreements. If Saudi fell to the extremists and the oil stopped flowing west you might really regret it. Maybe. Global economic consequences would likely be severe.
The consequences are severe either way. I'd prefer we didn't support brutal, evil regimes for the sole sake of making money.
Was it a fantasy to have a deterrence policy in the cold war? Maybe in the abstract but reality was what it was. IMO it's a fantasy to ignore nuclear armed nations and proliferation. History teaches us that nations will respond to nuclear armed nations that they have tensions with.
Iran isn't at a comparable to the USSR. At all. In any way. At all. In any way.
The rest of your points are your valid objections to US policy, a quite separate topic from how Bush meant "threat to the US". That phrase is clearly meany to include our interests, treaties and obligations. Just to get back to where we started many comments ago. All this discussion in a dozen or so posts just to back up my point about what a President means when he says "threat to the US".
The war on Iraq was sold with Saddam being a direct threat to the US, using scaremongering techniques and referencing 9/11, not just US interests abroad. Without that, we would not have invaded.