Israel Authorizes Call-Up of 75,000 Reservists for Possible Gaza Incursion

Ground war imminent
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It’s looking very likely this evening that Israel will launch a ground operation in Gaza, as Defense Minister Ehud Barak has authorized calling up to 75,000 reservists.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak approved the IDF’s request on Friday evening to increase the maximum number of reservists it could enlist, seeking cabinet approval to mobilize up to 75,000 troops ahead of a possible Gaza ground operation.

The Inner Cabinet, a group of nine senior ministers, met for over three hours to discuss the possibility of a ground operation into the Hamas-controlled enclave, but released no statements or indications as to what transpired during the meeting.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, however, told Channel 10 that toppling Hamas is not on the agenda as a goal for Operation Pillar of Defense.

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200 comments
1 compound_Idaho  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:13:49pm

The world is a dangerous place.

2 Bubblehead II  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:14:27pm

Old news. Saw this yesterday. Things are going to escalate.

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:16:31pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

Old news. Saw this yesterday. Things are going to escalate.

No, this is a new extension - they've more than doubled the number of reservists they're allowed to call up.

4 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:17:15pm

Poo tee weet?

5 Donna Ballard  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:18:27pm

Oh my God, all those poor kids. Its the children my heart aches for... Those idiots are ruining the next generation over ideology. Sad... So sad.

6 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:19:00pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

No, this is a new extension - they've more than doubled the number of reservists they're allowed to call up.

Since what I know about Isreal could be inscribed on the head of a pin who dictates how many reserves they are allowed to call up?

7 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:20:19pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

No, this is a new extension - they've more than doubled the number of reservists they're allowed to call up.

Just to put this in perspective, the US has about 66,000 troops in Afghanistan.

8 Bubblehead II  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:20:30pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

No, this is a new extension - they've more than doubled the number of reservists they're allowed to call up.

My bad. You are correct. The report I was alluding to was for the initial call up of the Reserves. Still, this is going to get ugly and get ugly fast.

9 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:20:58pm

1) Fuck. I hate this. Strong supporter of Israel, but I know that whatever happens Israel will get blamed.

2) Where the hell is Hamas getting all this rockets? If they would just spend the money on food and medicine.

3) At the very least the thousands of rockets justify the blockade.

10 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:22:16pm

re: #7 Four More Tears

75,000 from a population of 7,800,000 or so.

11 compound_Idaho  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:26:27pm

re: #1 compound_Idaho

The world is a dangerous place.

... and little has changed over the decades, centuries millinia. Humanity is a sorry lot.

12 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:26:33pm

re: #10 jaunte

75,000 from a population of 7,800,000 or so.

Or almost as many people as New York City. Almost...

13 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:28:07pm
Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, however, told Channel 10 that toppling Hamas is not on the agenda as a goal for Operation Pillar of Defense.

So, just their artillary?

I read the spookiest thing today that a reader sent in to Andrew Sullivan. Grain of salt of course, but this blew me away.

To start with, we can assume that the goal of Pillar of Defense is not to cripple Hamas’s war-making ability through military means.

The writer goes on from there to the history of Algeria, 1955, the FLN and what the decided to do in order to gain popular support.

Chilling

[EDIT] Link [Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

[EDIT 2] Please read down, past the ones you disagree with to see the Algeria email.

14 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:29:00pm

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

2) Where the hell is Hamas getting all this rockets?

Some of the small ones are made in Gaza, others possibly from Iran:

Hamas, meanwhile, warned it would strike deeper inside Israel with Iranian-made Fajr-5 rockets, acknowledging for the first time it has such longer-range weapons capable of hitting targets some 47 miles (75 kilometers) away. Tel Aviv is 40 miles (70 kilometers) from Gaza. [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

15 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:30:55pm

It does look like a ground invasion is likely. It's also likely to accomplish very little aside from a temporary setback and modest reduction in terrorist stockpiles. Military defeat of the terrorists in Gaza just isn't possible. I wish the Israelis all the luck in the world in killing and capturing as many terrorists as possible but defeating them just isn't possible. They'll have to do this again in a few years.

16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:32:33pm

re: #14 jaunte

Some of the small ones are made in Gaza, others possibly from Iran:

I suspect the facility in Sudan that Israel hit last month was part of the supply chain.

17 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:32:41pm

re: #14 jaunte

Some of the small ones are made in Gaza, others possibly from Iran:

I guess my point is that I wish all the supporters of the Palestinians (thinking of France here) would stand up and question why Hamas has so many weapons that serve no purpose other than to piss off Israel.

18 researchok  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:34:57pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

Since what I know about Isreal could be inscribed on the head of a pin who dictates how many reserves they are allowed to call up?

As many as they deem necessary.

I'm hoping Hamas will come to their senses.

19 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:36:11pm

re: #18 researchok

As many as they deem necessary.

I'm hoping Hamas will come to their senses.

Hamas wants a war. War is the only reason for their existence.


[Link: www.slate.com...]Why Israel’s Gaza Campaign Is Doomed

20 researchok  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:37:36pm

re: #19 Iwouldprefernotto

I could live with war mongering.

You can negotiate with war mongers.

Not so much with Hamas, who are obsessed with genocide.

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:41:46pm

Call to prayer again
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

Maybe Hamas is cranky for lack of sleep.

22 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:43:31pm

re: #7 Four More Tears

Just to put this in perspective, the US has about 66,000 troops in Afghanistan.

And in comparison, I think Afghanistan is way, way, way larger than Gaza. That many troops they're calling up? Might be a full-scale occupation at this point. March in, clean house, and be done with it.

23 Skandal  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Israel has managed to stop some pretty massive arms shipments heading to Gaza:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

However, the tunnels from the Sinai into Gaza are being used to smuggle numerous items including plenty of weaponry. Especially, after the chaos began in Libya:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

24 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:45:06pm

I always thought a 2 state solution would be an advantage for Israel.
They could legally declare war and fight until a surrender is reached and nobody could do a damn thing about it.
Just my simple view

25 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:47:00pm

re: #24 BenghaziHoops

I always thought a 2 state solution would be an advantage for Israel.
They could legally declare war and fight until a surrender is reached and nobody could do a damn thing about it.
Just my simple view

Except any other country that wanted to step in in soldarity with '"The State of Palestine"

Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc , etc

26 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:48:47pm

re: #25 sattv4u2

Except any other country that wanted to step in in soldarity with '"The State of Palestine"

Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc , etc

So no go?

27 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:49:56pm

re: #22 Ghost of Tom Joad

And in comparison, I think Afghanistan is way, way, way larger than Gaza. That many troops they're calling up? Might be a full-scale occupation at this point. March in, clean house, and be done with it.

Gaza is 306 km2. Smaller than Queens.

28 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:50:00pm

re: #22 Ghost of Tom Joad

And in comparison, I think Afghanistan is way, way, way larger than Gaza. That many troops they're calling up? Might be a full-scale occupation at this point. March in, clean house, and be done with it.

I don't think it's practical. To capture, arrest or kill every Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Islamic Jihad, PLFP, member in Gaza just isn't possible. Cleaning house in Gaza would be very unpleasant. The house will stay messy.

29 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:50:35pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I suspect the facility in Sudan that Israel hit last month was part of the supply chain.

I missed that when it was reported:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

30 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:51:04pm

re: #26 Stanghazi

So no go?

My post wasn't meant to be in opposition of a two state solution. Just hoops's "and nobody could do a damn thing about it."

That stated, a two state solution MUST start with whoever is repping the Palestinian side as recognizing the legitimacy of the Israeli state

31 kmg  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:51:34pm

I pray that they all return home safely.

32 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:52:33pm

re: #25 sattv4u2

Except any other country that wanted to step in in soldarity with '"The State of Palestine"

Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc , etc

They tried that before and failed every time. Do you really think Syria would mess with a country that is on war footing? Egypt would be shredded.
/Hi Satt! ya feeling better now?

33 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:52:47pm

re: #27 Four More Tears

Gaza is 306 km2. Smaller than Queens.

Wait, I take that back. That includes water. The land area is about 290, which makes Gaza a tad bit bigger, but not much.

34 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:55:11pm

re: #32 BenghaziHoops

They tried that before and failed every time. Do you really think Syria would mess with a country that is on war footing? Egypt would be shredding.
/Hi Satt! ya feeling better now?

At this point in time, Assad would do ANYTHING to divert from whats going on internally. Nothing like a fight with the "Zionist" state to unify a nation!!
Egypt, they're already averting their eyes at the cross border traffic into Gaza. No telling how much else they're willing to participate

35 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:55:30pm

re: #29 jaunte

I missed that when it was reported:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

It was kind of a minor story at the time but the pieces kind of fit together looking back. I also suspect the air strikes the past few days have been cleaning up the known leadership targets who no longer need to live. On the bright side, I'm sure this creates some advancement opportunities for some young enthusiastic go getters.

36 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:56:27pm

I don't know enough about the issues at play here to comment on them, but any fool can see this looks bad.

This is awful. :(

37 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:56:58pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

It was kind of a minor story at the time but the pieces kind of fit together looking back. I also suspect the air strikes the past few days have been cleaning up the known leadership targets who no longer need to live. On the bright side, I'm sure this creates some advancement opportunities for some young enthusiastic go getters.

Wanted
New leader of enthusiastic movement.
DISCALIMER,,, this may be a short term opportunity!!

38 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:57:17pm

Big boom.

39 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:57:47pm

Shit's happening

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:00:24pm

re: #34 sattv4u2

Egypt, they're already averting their eyes at the cross border traffic into Gaza. No telling how much else they're willing to participate

I don't think Egypt will get actively involved but the Muslim Bros seem content to exploit the populist anti-israel crap to distract from domestic troubles. Just like the latest Mo mocking youtube video. Rile up the masses against the infidels and jews in hopes nobody notices local corruption and government failures.

41 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:01:42pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's practical. To capture, arrest or kill every Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Islamic Jihad, PLFP, member in Gaza just isn't possible. Cleaning house in Gaza would be very unpleasant. The house will stay messy.

I know, I agree, but at this point Israel's military strategy hasn't made any progress towards a long-term solution. They've already pissed off a good deal of folk who aren't in their corner, and are unlikely to win them back anytime soon. Another incursion like Operation Cast Lead will, like you said, maybe gain some temporary security, but in a few years it'll be right back to where they started.

I'm just surprised something more drastic hasn't been done, either militarily or diplomatically. It's become Einstein's definition of insanity to the point where it seems like there's more incentive to keep this going than fix it one way or another.

It's a lose-lose at this point for pretty much everybody except those in Hamas looking to turn this into a full-scale conflict. Israel marches in, the people of Gaza suffer for it, and Hamas uses it as their next recruitment tool.

Just don't know.

42 Bubblehead II  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:02:09pm

Night Lizards.

My opinions at this time would get me exiled to the fever swamp.

43 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:05:55pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

I don't think Egypt will get actively involved but the Muslim Bros seem content to exploit the populist anti-israel crap to distract from domestic troubles. Just like the latest Mo mocking youtube video. Rile up the masses against the infidels and jews in hopes nobody notices local corruption and government failures.

And that's the point. Rile them up enough and they'll be streaming across the border to aid "the cause". Gives Egypt plausible deny ability
"we didn't authorize our citizens to do anything,,, but how can we have stopped them,,??"

44 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:10:35pm

I really think this has less to do with Israel and Egypt than it has to do with Abbas at the UN and the relationship between Hamas, Hezbollah and and Syria.

45 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:10:56pm

Egypt Independent:
Smugglers apprehended trying to bring 35 missiles from Libya to Egypt

46 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:11:10pm

re: #44 BishopX

I really think this has less to do with Israel and Egypt than it has to do with Abbas at the UN and the relationship between Hamas, Hezbollah and and Syria.

You're leaving out Iran

47 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:14:45pm

re: #45 jaunte

Egypt Independent:
Smugglers apprehended trying to bring 35 missiles from Libya to Egypt

Could have been headed to Gaza, but the Egyptians at that border may be more worried they are heading internally for those that oppose the current Egyptian regime

48 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:16:14pm

re: #46 sattv4u2

well yeah, Iran is in a stable situation... Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas are not. While I'm sure that they are overjoyed this is happening, I don't think they are providing anything beyond funding and munitions.

49 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:19:05pm

re: #48 BishopX


Iran is in a stable situation

Not really, and much like Syria with Assad, nothing to distract from the internal issues like turning all their ire at Israel (de rigueur)

I don't think they are providing anything beyond funding and munitions.

Well., as long as thats all !!!

//

50 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:25:18pm
51 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:26:10pm

re: #50 Four More Tears

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I want to see this guy run for the presidency.

52 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:30:09pm

re: #50 Four More Tears

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EPIC

53 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:32:10pm
54 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:32:14pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

I want to see this guy run for the presidency.

I think his political career is over.

half/

55 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:33:17pm

re: #50 Four More Tears

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HE'S GOT A DEMON IN HIM!
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56 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:33:41pm
57 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:35:43pm

Damn, Cory's on a roll with this.

58 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:37:03pm

re: #22 Ghost of Tom Joad

March in, clean house, and be done with it.

And this will be after they ride into Gaza on their unicorns?

59 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:37:52pm

re: #57 Four More Tears

Damn, Cory's on a roll with this.

He must have just received a shipment of bibles from Franklin Graham.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:45:04pm

re: #50 Four More Tears

Yes, that's true. "He who is not against us is for us." Not to mention plenty of teachings about those who are religious hypocrites that do not do what they talk about.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:46:14pm

re: #56 Four More Tears

Preach the gospel at all times. Only if necessary use words. - St. Francis of Assisi.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:47:24pm

re: #24 BenghaziHoops

I always thought a 2 state solution would be an advantage for Israel.
They could legally declare war and fight until a surrender is reached and nobody could do a damn thing about it.
Just my simple view

The problem, Hoops, is that gaining a surrender in Gaza would ultimately require scorched earth tactics, and most likely atrocities. The will people of the Gaza would have to be broken is order to force a surrender, and the things Israel would have to do to achieve such a breaking would change Israel into something Israel does not wish to become.

63 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:49:06pm

re: #61 William Barnett-Lewis

Preach the gospel at all times. Only if necessary use words. - St. Francis of Assisi.

Clearly the person who accepts the Church as an infallible guide will believe whatever the Church teaches.
---
Beware of the person of one book.

- Thomas Aquinas

64 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:51:52pm

re: #63 Kragar

Agreed.

65 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:52:59pm

re: #7 Four More Tears

Just to put this in perspective, the US has about 66,000 troops in Afghanistan.

Yes, and we are 300 million strong as a nation.

66 Captain Joseph Lausier  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:54:43pm

re: #13 Stanghazi

It's "artillery"

67 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:54:52pm

re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis

Agreed.

And my personal favorite:

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.

- Thomas Aquinas

68 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:55:12pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

Could have been headed to Gaza, but the Egyptians at that border may be more worried they are heading internally for those that oppose the current Egyptian regime

"Land missiles" might not be rockets, as well. Those could be Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs) instead. Egypt would worry about that, for Egypt knows well the havoc such missiles can inflict on armor in the open range environment of the Sinai.

69 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:55:34pm

re: #66 Captain Joseph Lausier

It's "artillery"

wow

70 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:11pm

re: #66 Captain Joseph Lausier

Welcome, Hatchling!

71 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:22pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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Election's over, time for Frum to get the pon-poms back out and start rooting for the team again.

72 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:26pm

re: #69 Stanghazi

wow

{sigh}

73 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:54pm

re: #69 Stanghazi

wow

Eh, he's a noob. But it is an odd way to get started here, IMO.

74 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:57:23pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

The problem, Hoops, is that gaining a surrender in Gaza would ultimately require scorched earth tactics, and most likely atrocities. The will people of the Gaza would have to be broken is order to force a surrender, and the things Israel would have to do to achieve such a breaking would change Israel into something Israel does not wish to become.

Yes. This is true. I personally would like to see an agreement but with bullies/terrorists it does not look like it will happen.

75 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #66 Captain Joseph Lausier

It's "artillery"

Captain, meet Dale Carnegie

Dale,,, Captain!!!

{sigh}

76 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

{sigh}

extremely delayed.

77 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:57:53pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Eh, he's a noob. But it is an odd way to get started here, IMO.

lol

78 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:58:00pm

re: #76 Stanghazi

extremely delayed.

a second or a day, it's still a {sigh}

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:02:46pm

re: #66 Captain Joseph Lausier

It's "artillery"

Just so no one starts using ortillery over there... ;)

80 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:07:19pm

re: #79 William Barnett-Lewis

Just so no one starts using ortillery over there... ;)

And now he flings a downding in response to light mocking.

Commander Scott, this one's setting off warning lights.

81 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:07:27pm

re: #24 BenghaziHoops

I always thought a 2 state solution would be an advantage for Israel.
They could legally declare war and fight until a surrender is reached and nobody could do a damn thing about it.
Just my simple view

There is no two state solution if one is determined the other should not exist.

82 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:07:46pm

Businessman: Jill Kelley Asked for $80M, Bragged of Petraeus Connection

A New York businessman who discussed a multi-billion-dollar Korean business deal with Jill Kelley said the Tampa woman at the center of the Petraeus scandal told him Gen. Petraeus had arranged for her to become an honorary consul for South Korea and promote free trade, and then asked him for $80 million to complete the deal.

"Ms. Kelley made it clear to me that General Petraeus put her in this position, and that's why she was able to have access to such senior levels [of the Korean government]," said Adam Victor, president and CEO of TransGas Development Systems, "that they were essentially doing a favor for General Petraeus, and that she had access solely because of her relationship with General Petraeus."

Victor, who met Kelley at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August, said he was disappointed in Gen. Petraeus for helping Kelley become an honorary consul. "Frankly, I blame Gen. Petraeus for this as a lapse of judgment," he said. "The general should have known better."

83 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:08:49pm

re: #79 William Barnett-Lewis

Just so no one starts using ortillery over there... ;)

Isn't "ortillery" when you catapult peas at your brother with a spoon during dinner?

84 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:09:14pm

re: #82 Kragar

Businessman: Jill Kelley Asked for $80M, Bragged of Petraeus Connection

So one's whacked out of her gourd, the other is an opportunist.

Way to napalm your reputation into oblivion, General.

85 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:09:27pm

re: #82 Kragar

Businessman: Jill Kelley Asked for $80M, Bragged of Petraeus Connection

Just too, too much.

86 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:10:00pm

Captain, introduce yourself.

88 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:11:51pm

Eggnog ice cream. Oh hell yeah.

Artillary for my belly

89 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:12:22pm

Oh yeah, well Gen. Petraeus made me the King of California.

Money please!

90 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:13:28pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, well Gen. Petraeus made me the King of California.

Money please!

He made me Emperor of Australia. Fortune here I come!

91 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:13:35pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, well Gen. Petraeus made me the King of California.

Money please!

Petraeus named me the Czar of Tokyo!

92 Captain Joseph Lausier  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:13:43pm

re: #86 Stanghazi

Captain Joseph Lausier, ARTY, TXSG (retired) age 71, formerly "Captain Joe"
Any car swarms yet?

93 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:14:17pm

re: #88 Stanghazi

Too much and you'll get an artilarial infraction.

94 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:14:30pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

95 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:14:30pm

Re: The Hostess/Twinkies shutdown

It seems to a lot of executives and shareholders are like locusts. They gain control of a company, bleed whatever they can out of it at the expense of the lower level workers, vendors and customers, then, once the company is dead, they abandon the carcass and move on to new prey, not giving a rat's ass about the damage left in their wake.

Is this the true face of Capitalism?

96 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:15:21pm

re: #87 Four More Tears

#PetraeusGifts

You know, I was trying to think of something smartass. Then I think about how much I'm depending on these jackholes and it makes me mad.

97 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:15:49pm

re: #83 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Isn't "ortillery" when you catapult peas at your brother with a spoon during dinner?

No, that's "ordinance".

98 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:16:05pm

re: #95 dragonfire1981

Yep. Next question?

99 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:17:34pm

re: #95 dragonfire1981

Re: The Hostess/Twinkies shutdown

It seems to a lot of executives and shareholders are like locusts. They gain control of a company, bleed whatever they can out of it at the expense of the lower level workers, vendors and customers, then, once the company is dead, they abandon the carcass and move on to new prey, not giving a rat's ass about the damage left in their wake.

Is this the true face of Capitalism?

Hey now, I hear that they got paid $1 or nothing for years! So what if they're asking the bankruptcy court for $1.75 million in "performance bonuses," damnit they sacrifice for that company!!

///

100 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:17:47pm

re: #92 Captain Joseph Lausier

Captain Joseph Lausier, ARTY, TXSG (retired) age 71, formerly "Captain Joe"
Any car swarms yet?

As soon as I run that through spell check, I'll have something to say!

101 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:18:17pm

re: #95 dragonfire1981

Re: The Hostess/Twinkies shutdown

It seems to a lot of executives and shareholders are like locusts. They gain control of a company, bleed whatever they can out of it at the expense of the lower level workers, vendors and customers, then, once the company is dead, they abandon the carcass and move on to new prey, not giving a rat's ass about the damage left in their wake.

Is this the true face of Capitalism?

No, it's the true face of short-sightedness. Not all or most capitalists are so short-sighted.

102 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:19:39pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

As soon as I run that through spell check, I'll have something to say!

ARTY = Artillery

Our Captain Joe was a cannon-cocker.

103 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:21:01pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

ARTY = Artillery

You sure it's not Artillary!?!

{sigh}

((I'll send up a flare when I need your help!!!))/

104 Captain Joseph Lausier  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:21:10pm

re: #97 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

That's "ordnance" (artillery shells)
ordinance = local regs.

105 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:22:21pm

re: #104 Captain Joseph Lausier

That's "ordnance" (artillery shells)
ordinance = local regs.

HE'S A SORCERER!

106 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:23:53pm

re: #104 Captain Joseph Lausier

That's "ordnance" (artillery shells)
ordinance = local regs.

Cato the Elder

Is that you??

//

107 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:26:12pm

Evening Honcos.

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:28:43pm

re: #107 Honorary Consul General

Evening Honcos.

Hey Schnookums. How was the $5 pizza?

109 Captain Joseph Lausier  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:28:57pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

Captain Joseph Lausier, Battery Commander and Chief Censor.

110 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:29:07pm

Looks like we've got a real live birther on the line:

June 3, 2011 at 7:10 pm
The short form certificate of live birth revealed in 2008 shows a “debossed” state seal rather than the required raised embossed state seal of Hawaii.

The change in the index is damning evidence of corruption within HDOH. No doubt some hack there produced the phony BC. The honorable people there, if there are any, have to be found and prompted to spill what they know. Sooner or later this conspiracy will leak. I hope someone within FBI or some other agency is watching.

Joseph Lausier said this on June 9, 2011 at 10:53 am | Reply

111 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:29:14pm

These Benghazi Grahams taste funny.
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham running campaign ads on Benghazi tragedy

Image: lindsey-graham-benghazi-campaign-ad.jpg

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:29:32pm

re: #109 Captain Joseph Lausier

Captain Joseph Lausier, Battery Commander and Chief Censor.

Yeah yeah ,, but did you bring beer?

113 allegro  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:29:52pm

re: #88 Stanghazi

Eggnog ice cream. Oh hell yeah.

Artillary for my belly

I made Creme Brulee for the first time today - dessert for my small (but very special) dinner party tomorrow night. Used Elton Brown's recipe cuz who better? The recipe made two more ramekins than I need for tomorrow and I wanted to try it before I served it to be on the safe side.

OMFG, heaven in the mouth and that's without the torched vanilla sugar. It's made with fresh vanilla bean and has a richness and flavor that I have never tasted the like of before. I'm going to serve it with a sinfully delicious and potent after-dinner coffee drink (coffee, Irish Cream, Frangelica, and Grand Marnier). My guests will be here for the night so I can get them shit-faced safely.

Recipe is EASY. Must try!

114 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:30:31pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

Looks like we've got a real live birther on the line:

Oh, my...

115 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:31:48pm

I'll give my quick $.02 on this:
If someone pushes you and you don't want to fight, you back up. Now, eventually the pushes will become punches and your back is against the wall. What to do? Israel will fucking lay a smack down, and not one they wanted to do. Then the UN (yes, the UN) will side with Hamas. And Hamas will fucking hide behind women and children because they are a buncha pussies but know how to throw down propaganda. Hamas, I hope your death is slow and painful. And I feel bad for all the innocent people you let die because you are a bunch of c***suckers. Now fuck off.

116 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:33:34pm

re: #113 allegro

I made Creme Brulee for the first time today - dessert for my small (but very special) dinner party tomorrow night. Used Elton Brown's recipe cuz who better? The recipe made two more ramekins than I need for tomorrow and I wanted to try it before I served it to be on the safe side.

OMFG, heaven in the mouth and that's without the torched vanilla sugar. It's made with fresh vanilla bean and has a richness and flavor that I have never tasted the like of before. I'm going to serve it with a sinfully delicious and potent after-dinner coffee drink (coffee, Irish Cream, Frangelica, and Grand Marnier). My guests will be here for the night so I can get them shit-faced safely.

Recipe is EASY. Must try!

Will do, sounds exceptional!

117 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:34:13pm

re: #113 allegro

Rock on my man!!!

118 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:34:50pm

re: #115 Honorary Consul General

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

119 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:36:30pm

Sigh.

120 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #118 BishopX

I'm not sure if it's even a 'round' of violence by now. Seems to just be ongoing.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

121 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:38:16pm

Get your hot buttery conspiracy theories while they're fresh, dripping with old timey wisdom:

Joseph Lausier

I suspect Gen. Boykin was the principal intended target of this nutcase and the SPLC. The Homeland Security Committee needs to subpoena the Southern Poverty Law Center for all emails and memos regarding the tagging of the FRC as a hate group. There's a conspiracy in there somewhere.

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122 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:38:27pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

Ever since Israel withdrew from Gaza, rockets attacks on Israeli civilians have increased, not decreased.

Nice narrow vision you entertain.

123 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:40:00pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Hey Schnookums. How was the $5 pizza?

I got an $8 large Papa Murphy's pizza that was delish.

124 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:40:16pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior figure. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

Because those have been bouquets that have been tossed from Gaza into Israeli population areas these past days weeks months years

125 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:40:42pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Get your hot buttery conspiracy theories while they're fresh, dripping with old timey wisdom:

Youtube Video
126 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:40:57pm

Tonight, Mike Huckabee robocalled me to promise that if I gave more money, the Senate Republicans would continue to try and repeal Obamacare.

I think I need a shower.

127 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:41:05pm

re: #120 jaunte

Roughly 1/7 of the total rockets fired from Gaza this year have been fired within the last 36 hours...if that's a not a new "round" of this conflict I don't know what is.

128 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:41:14pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

To be reasonable, picking one point in this endless cycle of reciprocal violence and saying "this whole round of violence kicked off when X" is totally arbitrary, and is a better gauge of your personal opinion than anything else.

129 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:41:18pm

re: #123 prairiefire

I got an $8 large Papa Murphy's pizza that was delish.

Papa Murphy's is some good stuff. Try the stuffed garlic chicken pizza.

Damnit, I want one!

130 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:42:26pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

No, sir. This started because Israel was getting hit by scores of rockets per day. Being under artillery siege is incredibly demoralizing for one, and the rockets were hurting and killing Israeli civilians. Hamas could not or would not stop the rocket launches, so their military commander was killed in the opening gambit. It was a classic decapitation strike.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:42:53pm

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

2) Where the hell is Hamas getting all this rockets? If they would just spend the money on food and medicine.

Iran supplies them, at least in part.

132 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:43:21pm

re: #127 BishopX

Roughly 1/7 of the total rockets fired from Gaza this year have been fired within the last 36 hours...if that's a not a new "round" of this conflict I don't know what is.

That leaves 6/7ths spread over 11 1/2 months

A mere inconvenience for the Israelis!!

{sigh}

133 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:44:55pm

re: #122 Eclectic Infidel

Ever since the British withdrew Palestinian Rocket attacks have increased... we can pick arbitrarily large time periods to justify this. The difference between today and Monday is a tactical escalation, not a strategic change. This is only the latest round of violence, but to claim that Hamas started it is to discredit Israeli actions. They picked this time to start assassinating Hamas officials, an increase in rocket fire after such an event is not unexpected.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:45:07pm

re: #44 BishopX

I really think this has less to do with Israel and Egypt than it has to do with Abbas at the UN and the relationship between Hamas, Hezbollah and and Syria.

Well, God knows that Abbas is probably cursing Hamas to the heavens, but I assume he starts every day like that anyway.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:46:07pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

The problem, Hoops, is that gaining a surrender in Gaza would ultimately require scorched earth tactics, and most likely atrocities. The will people of the Gaza would have to be broken is order to force a surrender, and the things Israel would have to do to achieve such a breaking would change Israel into something Israel does not wish to become.

The people of Gaza can break, and it won't matter. They're not in control of the Strip. Hamas is.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:46:58pm

re: #91 Kragar

Petraeus named me the Czar of Tokyo!

I want to be Marie of Romania.

137 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:47:29pm

Captain Joe's last comment before his previous account was blocked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You are all a gaggle of pervs. Joe was just being true to himself. Calling a spade a spade. He's just saying what he believes. He doesn't expect the queer vote, only the homophobic vote. There's no sin to being homophobic. I fear and hate homos because they are alien and don't act normally. I don't want them near my children or loved ones. That's why good Catholics have left the church in recent years. The gay priests are alien to real men.

138 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:47:46pm

Now blocked again, of course.

139 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:48:05pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

I'm not saying saying that Hamas is blameless, they're not. On balance they're certainly more culpable than the Israeli government.

I'm simply saying that it takes two to tango here and Israel started this latest dance.

140 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:48:13pm

Bryan Fischer pimps VDARE

141 Petero1818  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:48:56pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

By round of violence, you seem to be referring to essentially an Israeli response. In October alone Gazans fired over one hundred rockets and seventy mortors into Israel. In November, roughly 30 prior to the assassination.

142 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:48:58pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Now blocked again, of course.

my only question is... what is he a captain of? A Douche Canoe?

143 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:49:08pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Yes, Israel got tired of harassing fire and decided to escalate. That Hamas would respond by increasing their rocket fire is not unexpected.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:49:22pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

The rocketing prior to that was part of a different round of violence?

145 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:50:10pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I image he does (with good reason). The timing is just a great way of taking attention away fro his latest UN speech.

146 TedStriker  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:50:24pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Captain Joe's last comment before his previous account was blocked: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Egads...

147 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:50:43pm

re: #139 BishopX

I'm not saying saying that Hamas is blameless, they're not. On balance they're certainly more culpable than the Israeli government.

I'm simply saying that it takes two to tango here and Israel started this latest dance.

There is no "latest dance"

It's the same dance. It's never ended to have started again. ONE side can stop it, the side that lobs rockets EACH AND EVERY DAY, regardless of how many. ONE side can stop this by recognizing the legitimate State of Israel

148 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:51:21pm

re: #146 Ben G. Hazi

Egads...

-56!!!!

149 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:51:53pm

re: #140 Kragar

Bryan Fischer pimps VDARE

[Embedded content]

I'm reminded of the serpent eating its tail.

150 jaunte  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:51:58pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

The rocketing prior to that was part of a different round of violence?

Nov. 11:
Gaza groups pound Israel with over 100 rockets

151 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:52:39pm

What would happen if the Mexican army started lobbing rockets into El Paso?

There would be demands for Obama's impeachment if he did not turn the border country into a howling wilderness inside of 3 days.

152 Cheeseland  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:53:11pm

re: #118 BishopX

To be pedantic, this whole round of violence kicked off when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official. They chose to kick this hornets nest. Whether that was a was good idea remains to be seen.

Actually there were a few hundred rockets launched into Israel over the last few weeks. Either launched by Hamas or permitted by Hamas. Israel answered with a few attacks against the launchers and worked with Egypt to effect a ceasefire. The fire did not stop and then for three days they said if it did not stop they would start targeting Hamas leadership. Three days later, and 10's if not hundreds more rockets launched at Israeli cities, the leader of the military branch of Hamas and everyone in his car were killed. I am not sure that this was a choice, and the hornets had plenty of warning to back off.

153 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:53:55pm

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

What would happen if the Mexican army started lobbing rockets into El Paso?

There would be demands for Obama's impeachment if he did not turn the border country into a howling wilderness inside of 3 days.

Or, or, Texas rednecks would invade. And I would agree with it.

154 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:54:05pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Now blocked again, of course.

I've got the charcoal on the grill. I'll get the troll roasted up.

155 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:55:15pm

re: #133 BishopX

Ever since the British withdrew Palestinian Rocket attacks have increased... we can pick arbitrarily large time periods to justify this. The difference between today and Monday is a tactical escalation, not a strategic change. This is only the latest round of violence, but to claim that Hamas started it is to discredit Israeli actions. They picked this time to start assassinating Hamas officials, an increase in rocket fire after such an event is not unexpected.

Okay. That's your perspective. I'm tired of dealing with people like you.

156 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:55:23pm

how DARE you complain that we're launching rockets at you!!!

157 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:56:19pm

re: #149 prairiefire

I'm reminded of the serpent eating its tail.

Leave Conan alone.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:56:20pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

how DARE you complain that we're launching rockets at you!!!

how DARE you complain that I'm hitting you in the head with a mallet.

159 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

What would happen if the Mexican army started lobbing rockets into El Paso?

There would be demands for Obama's impeachment if he did not turn the border country into a howling wilderness inside of 3 days.

We would flippin' take them out. Are you kidding me?

160 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:57:11pm

re: #142 Kronocide

my only question is... what is he a captain of? A Douche Canoe?

He claimed he had been captain of an artillery battery.

161 BishopX  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:57:41pm

re: #141 Petero1818

According to IDF figures Gazan militants have fired just under 1,200 rockets this year. They've fired 390 odd rockets since 11/14. They didn't wake up one morning and say 'hey, lets ramp up our rocket campaign by an order of magnitude'. Israel moved from counter battery fire to a targeting Hamas officals, Hamas responded. We don't devote this much attention to Gaza when there is a normal volume of fire (although that's a failry twisted concept).

162 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:57:41pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

He claimed he had been captain of an artillery battery.

Me'thinks that was a rhetorical question

163 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:58:12pm

re: #159 prairiefire

We would probably have to suffer through 3 days of press briefings, before hand.

164 allegro  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:58:17pm

re: #153 Honorary Consul General

Or, or, Texas rednecks would invade. And I would agree with it.

You won't find a lot of Texas rednecks in El Paso.

165 Petero1818  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:58:35pm

re: #133 BishopX

Ever since the British withdrew Palestinian Rocket attacks have increased... we can pick arbitrarily large time periods to justify this. The difference between today and Monday is a tactical escalation, not a strategic change. This is only the latest round of violence, but to claim that Hamas started it is to discredit Israeli actions. They picked this time to start assassinating Hamas officials, an increase in rocket fire after such an event is not unexpected.

except that what you are saying is not at all accurate. Even if one assumes that occasional rocket launching from Gaza into Israel is an acceptable status quo (it isn't) it was clearly a massive escalation in rockets on November 11 which forced Israel's response. So by your definition of "round of violence" it would appear that Hamas is the one kicking the hornets nest.

166 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:59:05pm

re: #161 BishopX

According to IDF figures Gazan militants have fired just under 1,200 rockets this year. They've fired 390 odd rockets since 11/14. They didn't wake up one morning and say 'hey, lets ramp up our rocket campaign by an order of magnitude'. Israel moved from counter battery fire to a targeting Hamas officals, Hamas responded. We don't devote this much attention to Gaza when there is a normal volume of fire (although that's a failry twisted concept).

OMG ,, think about what you just posted

Pertinent line >>> Gazan militants have fired just under 1,200 rockets this year.

how DARE you complain that i'm hitting you in the head with a mallet

167 allegro  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:59:21pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

He claimed he had been captain of an artillery battery.

I see him as more responsible for a battery recharger. AAA batteries.

168 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:59:53pm

re: #161 BishopX

So.. how did Hamas make this possible? No pre planning?

169 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:00:55pm

re: #168 Honorary Consul General

So.. how did Hamas make this possible? No pre planning?

Nahh

Sitting around one day, they said ,,"hey ,,, we're coming up to the end of the year. We have to get rid of these extra rockets before they expire!!!"

170 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:01:05pm

re: #142 Kronocide

my only question is... what is he a captain of? A Douche Canoe?

Ship of fools.

171 Petero1818  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:01:26pm

re: #161 BishopX

According to IDF figures Gazan militants have fired just under 1,200 rockets this year. They've fired 390 odd rockets since 11/14. They didn't wake up one morning and say 'hey, lets ramp up our rocket campaign by an order of magnitude'. Israel moved from counter battery fire to a targeting Hamas officals, Hamas responded. We don't devote this much attention to Gaza when there is a normal volume of fire (although that's a failry twisted concept).

Again check your timelines. November 11. One hundred Palestinian rockets. The assassination followed it. The escalation was on the Palestinian side. Furthermore, the fact that Israel suffers through this insanity for months without a serious response does not in any way not give them a right to retaliate a time of their choosing.

172 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:02:05pm

re: #171 Petero1818

Furthermore, the fact that Israel suffers through this insanity for months YEARS without a serious response does not in any way not give them a right to retaliate a time of their choosing.

ftfy

173 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:05:40pm

And on that note, the long quiet (and for the 1st few moments, cold) drive home beckons

174 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:09:52pm

Oh, my boy had his first trip to the principle's office today for socking a friend at recess. Somehow, it fits for today.
He's being punished. You can't get what you want through hitting.

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:09:59pm

re: #171 Petero1818

Again check your timelines. November 11. One hundred Palestinian rockets. The assassination followed it. The escalation was on the Palestinian side. Furthermore, the fact that Israel suffers through this insanity for months without a serious response does not in any way not give them a right to retaliate a time of their choosing.

Quoted For Truth.

176 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:10:35pm

The thing that kind of limits Iron Dome's long term usefulness is that even when it works every rocket shot down still represents a loss for Israel in terms of a financial war of attrition. It looks cool, is technologically badass and prevents casualties but was also only every going to be a temporary stopgap measure. In some ways it's actually counterproductive for the user since it conveys a (false) sense of near invulnerability on Israel and again raises the disproportionate capabilities of the two sides to the foreground.

177 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:11:52pm

Wanna know what I love? The Mossad are bad ass spooks with intel and Shin Bet is the ones to carry it all out. Get it done.

178 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:17:08pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

The thing that kind of limits Iron Dome's long term usefulness is that even when it works every rocket shot down still represents a loss for Israel in terms of a financial war of attrition. It looks cool, is technologically badass and prevents casualties but was also only every going to be a temporary stopgap measure. In some ways it's actually counterproductive for the user since it conveys a (false) sense of near invulnerability on Israel and again raises the disproportionate capabilities of the two sides to the foreground.

It could be reinforced by adding Centurion systems for backup (essentially land-based Phalanx radar-directed 20mm Gatling guns). The Israeli navy already uses Phalanx, so perhaps we should offer to ship in Centurions in a hurry.

179 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:21:01pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

Nahh

Sitting around one day, they said ,,"hey ,,, we're coming up to the end of the year. We have to get rid of these extra rockets before they expire!!!"

"If we don't use our full rocket budget this year, they'll cut it next year."

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:30:10pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

The thing that kind of limits Iron Dome's long term usefulness is that even when it works every rocket shot down still represents a loss for Israel in terms of a financial war of attrition. It looks cool, is technologically badass and prevents casualties but was also only every going to be a temporary stopgap measure. In some ways it's actually counterproductive for the user since it conveys a (false) sense of near invulnerability on Israel and again raises the disproportionate capabilities of the two sides to the foreground.

Since the option is to do what they did before Iron Dome, and allow people to die in the streets of Sderot, I think they're going to take that chance.

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:42:36pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Since the option is to do what they did before Iron Dome, and allow people to die in the streets of Sderot, I think they're going to take that chance.

The problem is that Sderot is too close to Gaza for Iron Dome to defend it. You'd need Centurion if you were going to use active defenses there.

182 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:12:09pm

Good thing religion doesn't poison everything...

183 danhenry1  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:20:55pm

re: #17 Iwouldprefernotto

maybe because they are all Nazi's?

184 indiejesus2  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:31:17pm

Wow. And I thought this was progressive leaning website where people would be advocating for peace and prayers for the victims on both sides. Instead it's continuing of the blame game with a slight glimpse into history. We can dispute figures and starting points all we want, but this road will not lead to solidarity or peace. Militants on both sides are at fault with the US and Middle East having plenty of blood on their hands as well, and using violence only begets more violence. I understand that a country and its people have the right to defend themselves, and it seems their could be a less sloppy way of doing with fewer casualties in an already war-stricken country. The events will be discussed in history classes for decades, so shouldn't we have a discussion of how we can abandon violence and terrorism while fighting for tolerance and compromise. As liberated Libyans did to militants in their country, citizens must tell terrorists that violence gets us nowhere, and we must go further to tell our governments and leaders that this gets us nowhere.

I think what surprises me most is the left showed plenty antipathy with the increase of drone strikes by the Obama administration that killed innocent bystanders. Now a situation with a lot of grey area mixed with history that spans thousands of years makes people shrug and 'say that's what you get.' Hard to see what you guys really stand for.

185 danhenry1  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:42:13pm

How about recommending a new headquarters For the United Nations, and locate it in Jerusalem. On the Temple mount. All nations would be welcomed and required to supply security in it defense. Anyone thought of this before?

186 danhenry1  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:55:43pm

re: #184 indiejesus2

It is mishmash of many thoughts mostly a recognition that Palistinians, through Hamas have done nothin to grow their land or better the future for their children. Israel has offered to help but Hamas does not even acknowledge their existence. How can the make their society better if all they do try to destroy Israel with weapons systems brought to you by the enlightened states of Iran,Sudan, and who knows 'who else'. The site is definitely Progressivley keen on keeping Israel safe and secure

187 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:09:00pm

re: #185 danhenry1

How about recommending a new headquarters For the United Nations, and locate it in Jerusalem. On the Temple mount. All nations would be welcomed and required to supply security in it defense. Anyone thought of this before?

I like it. Security would have to be top notch - similar if not identical to what our President gets.

188 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 1:59:54am

re: #184 indiejesus2

Wow. And I thought this was progressive leaning website where people would be advocating for peace and prayers for the victims on both sides.

Not so much prayers, but I don't think prayers achieve shit anyway.

What do you actually mean by 'advocating for peace'? What would that look like?

189 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 5:56:45am

re: #24 BenghaziHoops

I always thought a 2 state solution would be an advantage for Israel.
They could legally declare war and fight until a surrender is reached and nobody could do a damn thing about it.
Just my simple view

No. According to international law one country cannot invade or attack another without the express sanction of the U.N. Security Council.

Which is why I think Hamas and some Israelis oppose a two state solution. As long as Gaza and the West Bank remain outside the law anything is allowed by either side.

As I've said before, there will never be peace in the Middle East because too many people on all sides of the conflict do not want peace. They want victory.

190 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:02:48am

re: #95 dragonfire1981

Re: The Hostess/Twinkies shutdown

It seems to a lot of executives and shareholders are like locusts. They gain control of a company, bleed whatever they can out of it at the expense of the lower level workers, vendors and customers, then, once the company is dead, they abandon the carcass and move on to new prey, not giving a rat's ass about the damage left in their wake.

Is this the true face of Capitalism?

Essentially, yes.

The problem is that capitalism is an economic system, not an ethical one. But it has been raised to an ethical system by many people. The definition of 'good' in this system is answering "Yes" to the question, "Are you making money?"

Since the answer is "Yes" in the cases you mention this sort of action is 'good'. The health and wealth of the company or its employees is not something to be considered.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:01:13am

re: #161 BishopX

According to IDF figures Gazan militants have fired just under 1,200 rockets this year. They've fired 390 odd rockets since 11/14. They didn't wake up one morning and say 'hey, lets ramp up our rocket campaign by an order of magnitude'. Israel moved from counter battery fire to a targeting Hamas officals, Hamas responded. We don't devote this much attention to Gaza when there is a normal volume of fire (although that's a failry twisted concept).

Is Israel better off targeting rank-and-file manning the launchers, or those who are ordering them out, diverting Gaza's limited resources into getting military weapons instead of food and building infrastructure, and hiding their attacks amidst civilians?

192 indiejesus2  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 8:42:24am

re: #186 danhenry1

re: #186 danhenry1

It is mishmash of many thoughts mostly a recognition that Palistinians, through Hamas have done nothin to grow their land or better the future for their children. Israel has offered to help but Hamas does not even acknowledge their existence. How can the make their society better if all they do try to destroy Israel with weapons systems brought to you by the enlightened states of Iran,Sudan, and who knows 'who else'. The site is definitely Progressivley keen on keeping Israel safe and secure

Oh yeah Israel has offered so much help to the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians are so disrespectful that they don't show more gratitude to a country that is viewed by the UN as occupying their land and blockading food, medical supplies and exports. And you're right, it's mostly been comments about how Hamas militants don't like Israel and don't want to recognize as a state, even though it's recognized by the UN and the whole world while Palestine is struggling to gain that right. Hamas is a terrorist organization along with the US and trigger ready Israel. By the numbers and amount of artillery, Israel is Goliath and Hamas is David, but since the giant is 'all alone in the middle of a bunch of bullies' they get all the sympathy and support cause they get the news coverage. A majority of the people in Israel support a two-state resolution and an end to the war, specifically an end to Israel's macho defense and blockades.

And you're wrong. You and the commenters are not progressive at all, you're fallacious blowhards living in privileged America that rarely have to deal with air strikes or shortage of food wanting to stick their nose in a complicated conflict and say 'they deserve it'. Typical Dems, just not that far from the douchebag GOP.

193 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:04:30am

re: #192 indiejesus2

Greetings, hatchling.

You and the commenters are not progressive at all, you're fallacious blowhards living in privileged America that rarely have to deal with air strikes or shortage of food wanting to stick their nose in a complicated conflict and say 'they deserve it'. Typical Dems, just not that far from the douchebag GOP.

Not all of the commenters here are Americans or live in America or live in the privileged part of America. Not all of the commenters here are progressives. Not all of the commenters here are fallacious blowhards. Not all of the commenters here are Dems.

If you want to add your perspective to the mix, you might get a better reception if you state it clearly and refrain from dumping the rest of us into one bucket.

194 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:07:16am

re: #193 wrenchwench

And be a little less belligerent. Some of the commenters here have friends and family over there. Mind your manners.

195 Locker  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:18:14am

re: #194 wheat-dogghazi

And be a little less belligerent. Some of the commenters here have friends and family over there. Mind your manners.

And you could take the correction and shut the fuck up.

P.S. I have no manners so you can try a new one

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 11:13:19am

re: #182 Jolo5309

Good thing religion doesn't poison everything...

Right, because people who are not religious never fight over ethnicity, land, water, and national sovereignty.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 11:14:38am

re: #184 indiejesus2

Wow. And I thought this was progressive leaning website where people would be advocating for peace and prayers for the victims on both sides. Instead it's continuing of the blame game with a slight glimpse into history. We can dispute figures and starting points all we want, but this road will not lead to solidarity or peace. Militants on both sides are at fault with the US and Middle East having plenty of blood on their hands as well, and using violence only begets more violence. I understand that a country and its people have the right to defend themselves, and it seems their could be a less sloppy way of doing with fewer casualties in an already war-stricken country. The events will be discussed in history classes for decades, so shouldn't we have a discussion of how we can abandon violence and terrorism while fighting for tolerance and compromise. As liberated Libyans did to militants in their country, citizens must tell terrorists that violence gets us nowhere, and we must go further to tell our governments and leaders that this gets us nowhere.

I think what surprises me most is the left showed plenty antipathy with the increase of drone strikes by the Obama administration that killed innocent bystanders. Now a situation with a lot of grey area mixed with history that spans thousands of years makes people shrug and 'say that's what you get.' Hard to see what you guys really stand for.

I stand for the right of Israel to exist within safe and internationally recognized borders, and for as few noncombatants to get killed as humanly possible.

Also, truth, justice and the American Way.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 11:18:17am

re: #185 danhenry1

How about recommending a new headquarters For the United Nations, and locate it in Jerusalem. On the Temple mount. All nations would be welcomed and required to supply security in it defense. Anyone thought of this before?

Sure, I really want the fucking UN on the Temple Mount, (that would, I assume, be in what is now the al-Aqsa Mosque, BTW?) and for once, I think that Muslims worldwide stand shoulder to shoulder with me on this one.

The Knights Templar did that, as an irrelevant historical note. Used the mosque as their institutional headquarters.

Why does anyone imagine that the UN's presence in Jerusalem is going to make anything better? Israel believes, on a lot of evidence, that the UN has allowed hatred of their state to hijack its agenda for generations, for one thing.

199 indiejesus2  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 12:27:09pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Greetings, hatchling.

Not all of the commenters here are Americans or live in America or live in the privileged part of America. Not all of the commenters here are progressives. Not all of the commenters here are fallacious blowhards. Not all of the commenters here are Dems.

If you want to add your perspective to the mix, you might get a better reception if you state it clearly and refrain from dumping the rest of us into one bucket.

That comment was really addressed to any that believe themselves progressive who are only “progressively keen on keeping Israel safe and secure” but couldn’t give a crap for any other innocent bystander or victim of war. If you’re not part of that group, then the comment doesn’t really pertain to you does it? Unless you’re that much of an aegis. Even if some commenters don’t live in privileged America, there was nothing that really emanated that they were from Gaza or any war-torn impoverished country. If they were, I’m almost positive they would have a different perspective than the majority I’ve seen.

Moving on, I gave a plethora of my views that wasn’t welcomed but only responded with “Israel is trying to be nice and it’s the Middle East’s fault” and other regurgitated talking points. Again, offered more perspective, but instead let us focus on the last part where I question the progressive values and say your information is misleading to just cry “Stop grouping us all together!” What a great worthy discussion!

200 indiejesus2  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 12:32:02pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

To be clear I stand for the rights of all citizens and working towards a resolution that recognizes borders and needs of both countries. I wish for as few deaths as possible on both sides. Just to be clear, I stand for peace, truth and justice. Except justice isn't necessarily blind in this situation and the truth is far from seeing light.


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