Greenwald Lashes Out on Twitter at Adam Serwer’s Dad

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Twitter gossip, not earth-shaking but pretty revealing: as Glenn Greenwald was lashing out tonight at everyone who expressed even the mildest criticism, he reacted to a tweet from Daniel Serwer of peacefare.net in his customary way.

The target of Greenwald’s wrath is Daniel Serwer, father of Adam Serwer who writes for Mother Jones, Salon, and many other publications, and now works for MSNBC — a lot of the same places that often feature Greenwald’s work.

Adam took exception.

For the record, here’s the bio of the man Greenwald said had accomplished nothing compared to Edward Snowden: Center for Transatlantic Relations | Faculty, Staff and Fellows.

Daniel Serwer (Ph.D., Princeton) is a Professor of Conflict Management, as well as a Senior Fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations, at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. He is also a Scholar at the Middle East Institute.

Formerly Vice President for Centers of Peacebuilding Innovation at the United States Institute of Peace (2009-10), he led teams there working on rule of law, religion, economics, media, technology, security sector governance and gender. He was previously Vice President for Peace and Stability Operations at USIP, where he led its peacebuilding work in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan and the Balkans and served as Executive Director of the Hamilton/Baker Iraq Study Group. Serwer has worked on preventing interethnic and sectarian conflict in Iraq and has facilitated dialogue between Serbs and Albanians in the Balkans.

He was a minister-counselor at the Department of State, serving from 1994 to 1996 as U.S. special envoy and coordinator for the Bosnian Federation, mediating between Croats and Muslims and negotiating the first agreement reached at the Dayton peace talks. From 1990 to 1993, he was deputy chief of mission and chargé d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Rome, where he led a major diplomatic mission through the end of the Cold War and the first Gulf War.

Immediately following Adam Serwer’s tweet, Greenwald suddenly stopped posting to Twitter. The sound of crickets was heard, broken only by this tweet from Daniel Serwer:

This exchange did lead to a pretty funny trending hashtag, though, so it wasn’t a complete bummer. Here’s my contribution:

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235 comments
1 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 3:59:47pm

Don’t forget the shutdown tweet:

2 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:03:17pm

When Ron Burgundy is a better journalist than you, you might need to consider another career choice.

3 sauceruney  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:04:59pm

The other good thing is it shut up a lot of the people I know who RT Greenwald.

4 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:05:50pm

re: #2 Kragar

When Ron Burgundy is a better journalist than you, you might need to consider another career choice.

Well, the escalated quickly.

//

5 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:07:04pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Well, the escalated quickly.

//

Greenwald: LOUD NOISES!!!

6 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:07:50pm
7 dragonath  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:08:37pm

Snowden knows how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

8 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:08:47pm
9 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:09:21pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Well, that escalated quickly.

//

Greenwald and Assange have been too busy lately serving as test subjects for that new men’s fragrance, Sex Panther.

/it has bits of real panther, so you know it’s good

10 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:09:23pm

It seems obvious that Serwer has the degrees and the real world experience Greenwald wishes he had.

11 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:09:36pm

Snowden knows the Colonel’s secret blend of herbs and spices.

12 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:09:44pm
13 Zamb  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:12:13pm

If only we were good enough for Snowden, then maybe he would come back to us.

14 dragonath  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:13:04pm

I know this is totally out of the blue but there’s an official Sulu fragrance for Takei fans.

shop.startrek.com

15 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:14:46pm

re: #14 dragonath

I know this is totally out of the blue but there’s an official Sulu fragrance for Takei fans.

shop.startrek.com

Waiting for the Snowden fragrance. I hear it works to attract…..*


*It’s 90 in NYC and I’ve got nothing.

16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:14:53pm

re: #7 dragonath

Snowden knows how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

Snowden knows how to make the Kessel run in less than 11 parsecs.

ETA: damn.

17 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:17:16pm

Snowden knows when its really Chuck Testa.

18 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:19:07pm

re: #14 dragonath

I know this is totally out of the blue but there’s an official Sulu fragrance for Takei fans.

shop.startrek.com

Oh my!

/

19 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:20:05pm

re: #15 Iwouldprefernotto

Waiting for the Snowden fragrance. I hear it works to attract…..*

*It’s 90 in NYC and I’ve got nothing.

It smells like bullshit, so I’d imagine that it would attract flies…

20 dragonath  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:20:08pm

Snowden can’t believe it’s actually butter.

21 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:24:51pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

22 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:26:28pm

Remember when Cronkite used to beat up people who disagreed with him?

Hell, even Edward R. Murrow showed more respect to Joseph McCarthy than Glen does to anyone who offers the slightest criticism of him.

23 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:27:09pm

That S on Superman’s outfit……yep, it stands for Snowden.

24 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:27:21pm

Snowden knows who shot first.

25 CMReaK  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:27:42pm

One must wonder how unfortunate Mr. Snowden now feels for choosing this epic douche bag as his spirit guide for the NSA leaking caper.

26 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:28:16pm

re: #25 CMReaK

One must wonder how unfortunate Mr. Snowden now feels for choosing this epic douche bag as his spirit guide for the NSA leaking caper.

Glenn and/or Assange?
Bam!

27 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:29:38pm

re: #14 dragonath

I know this is totally out of the blue but there’s an official Sulu fragrance for Takei fans.

shop.startrek.com

Bought.
/Seriously.

28 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:30:25pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

Snowden knows who shot first.

And he knows who shot JR

29 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:30:37pm

Snowden put the bomp in the in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp

30 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:30:47pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

Bought.
/Seriously.

Just now or before?

31 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:31:44pm

re: #29 b.d.

Snowden put the bomp in the in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp

I think he also wrote the book of love.

32 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:31:48pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

Snowden knows who shot first.

Snowden knows what Orders 1-65 were.

33 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:32:27pm

re: #30 AlexRogan

Just now or before?

Just now.

34 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:32:39pm

re: #28 darthstar

And he knows who shot JR

Well, everyone knows now that Kristin shot J.R., but Snowden knew first.

35 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:32:45pm

Snowden won a Super Bowl all on his own.

36 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:33:01pm

Snowden knew the Cha-Cha before Sam Cooke did.

37 dragonath  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:33:39pm

Snowden knows where they keep Breitbart’s brain.

38 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:34:27pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Just now.

Eau my!

/shamelessly stolen from the only comment I saw there in the listing

39 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:34:59pm
40 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:35:09pm

re: #37 dragonath

Snowden knows where they keep Breitbart’s brain.

Snowden knows who murdered Andrew Breitbart!!11ty.

41 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:35:38pm

Snowden can explain the Lost series finale.

42 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:35:43pm
43 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:35:53pm

Snowden knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

44 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:36:05pm

re: #41 b.d.

Snowden can explain the Lost series finale.

Bullshit.

45 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:36:26pm

I just took a look at GG’s timeline—what a thin-skinned, vituperative, egotistical prick. Too bad someone can’t clone him and then lock him in a room with only his clone for company for about a month. I picture it being sorta like this, heh:

Youtube Video

I can’t recall ever seeing (or hearing about) any “journalist” carrying on the way he does all the time. The constant drama is tiresome.

46 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:37:45pm

Youtube Video
Replace “we do” with “Snowden does.”

47 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:39:08pm

OK, now Snowden’s getting really weird.

49 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:39:58pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

Found this today: Snowden finally found the one place that’s beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement

Oh snap.

50 sauceruney  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:43:39pm

re: #47 Gus

Oddly, UFO documents would be all I’d have wanted Snowden’s job for.

51 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:43:43pm

re: #47 Gus

OK, now Snowden’s getting really weird.

Please tell me that’s NOT satire.

52 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:46:05pm

re: #51 darthstar

Please tell me that’s NOT satire.

Don’t know.

53 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:46:22pm

Evening Lizardim from the hot and humid fish country. Hope all is well among the lizardfolk this very tired evening.

54 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:47:50pm

And … he’s back in action!

55 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:48:24pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the hot and humid fish country. Hope all is well among the lizardfolk this very tired evening.

I’m OK. Just doing some lead research for work.

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:48:26pm

Well, sure - doesn’t everybody think jingoism should drive and shape all human choices?

57 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:49:13pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

This is what is like in NE Philly. wunderground.com

58 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:49:43pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Well, sure - doesn’t everybody think jingoism should drive and shape all human choices?

All?

59 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:50:59pm

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

This is what is like in NE Philly. wunderground.com

That’s about what it’s like down here. Just shave a couple of degrees off the temperature and add some rain. And more rain. And did I happen to mention rain?

60 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:51:34pm

Yeah you’re right Glenn. No state should have secrets. America is the worst country in the history of ever and we should give Edward Snowden a parade and give him his own music label, parade, etc.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:51:44pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Well, sure - doesn’t everybody think jingoism should drive and shape all human choices?

Well, Bryan Fischer does and Jim Hoft does…

62 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:52:59pm
63 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:53:13pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

The problem with stupid insults like that is that for people like me— I know that I’m not jingoistic. I think states are something that currently exist, though, and pretending that we’re operating in a post-national libertarian field is silly. So I know that what he’s claiming is just factually untrue.

64 erik_t  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:55:22pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

I just took a look at GG’s timeline—what a thin-skinned, vituperative, egotistical prick. Too bad someone can’t clone him and then lock him in a room with only his clone for company for about a month. I picture it being sorta like this, heh:

The wingnut/moonbat convergence is about style as much as “substance”.

65 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:59:23pm
66 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 4:59:41pm

If your rifle looks like this, it’s over-accessorized.

67 calochortus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:00:07pm

OT, I just tuned in for the 5 pm news-apparently they’re running continuous coverage on the crash-and running out of things to say. Actual quote “This wasn’t supposed to happen.”

68 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:00:35pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

If your rifle looks like this, it’s over-accessorized.

Dunno…that kind of looks badass, FWIW.

69 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:00:43pm

re: #42 Gus

[Embedded content]

Damn you, Gus! I was just about to post that.

A fine treatise on econoderpitude.

70 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:00:53pm

re: #67 calochortus

OT, I just tuned in for the 5 pm news-apparently they’re running continuous coverage on the crash-and running out of things to say. Actual quote “This wasn’t supposed to happen.” ;

Did you catch the reporter’s name? I’m guessing one N. S. Sherlock.

71 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:01:02pm

re: #67 calochortus

OT, I just tuned in for the 5 pm news-apparently they’re running continuous coverage on the crash-and running out of things to say. Actual quote “This wasn’t supposed to happen.” ;

What crash is supposed to happen

72 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:01:48pm

How many sharks does Glennlandia think he can jump?

73 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:02:18pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

What crash is supposed to happen

“The one planned by the CIA to kill Edward Snowden!!!11”

/Glenn Greenwald

74 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:02:41pm

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

All of them, of course.

75 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:04:02pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

What crash is supposed to happen

Ron Brown & Payne Stewart!!1!!

//

76 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:07:20pm

Snowden knows what was in Al Capone’s real secret vault.

77 calochortus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:07:38pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Did you catch the reporter’s name? I’m guessing one N. S. Sherlock.

That wasn’t it, but it should have been.

78 calochortus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:08:06pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

What crash is supposed to happen

Apparently some of them are. Who knew?

79 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:10:01pm

Mayor Lee having a presser on crash right now.

80 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:12:42pm

Greenwald/SnowdenBrags twitter.com

Bob Cesca ‏@bobcesca_go 2h

Snowden wrote his Wikileaks statement using the blood of a Russian bear he slayed with the bones of Lenin.

81 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:14:29pm

Night Lizards.

I came, I saw.

Please proceed.

82 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:14:31pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald/SnowdenBrags twitter.com

Bob Cesca ‏@bobcesca_go 2h

Snowden wrote his Wikileaks statement using the blood of a Russian bear he slayed with the bones of Lenin.

*slew

83 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:18:46pm

re: #82 Kragar

Yes, but Glennlandia didn’t correct Cesca, and isn’t that what really counts?

Bob obviously didn’t do well with irregular verbs.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:22:25pm

Edward Snowden is really Keyser Soze.

85 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:24:19pm

Every Chuck Norris joke was really about Snowden.

86 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:30:02pm

It wasn’t Moses/Jehovah who parted the Red Sea, it was Greenwald/Snowden.

87 Shvaughn  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:31:03pm

There is no god but Snowden, and Greenwald is his prophet.

88 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:32:05pm

re: #87 Shvaughn

There is no god but Snowden, and Greenwald is his prophet.

I would’ve figured that was the other way around, but I suppose that wouldn’t fit the hashtag.

89 b.d.  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:33:24pm

Snowday came in 8th place when they were giving out day names.

90 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:36:03pm
91 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:37:17pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Nah, Daniel Day Lewis.

92 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:37:18pm

The Vatican has decided to dump John Paul for sainthood and replace him with Snowden.

93 urbanmeemaw  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:41:39pm

re: #29 b.d.

And the ram in the rama lama ding dong. Also, too, Snowbro’s fake marathon finishing time was faster than Paul Ryan’s fake marathon finishing time.

94 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:41:45pm

Snowden originally named People’s sexiest man alive in 2012 but magazine pressured by Obama WH to name Channing Tatum instead.

95 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:42:03pm

Che Guevara always wore a Snowden t-shirt.

96 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:42:06pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

Peter Finch will rise from the dead to play Greenwald.

97 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:43:00pm

Nominate Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize

Edward Snowden is a more deserving Nobel Peace Prize winner than Barack Obama.

98 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:43:51pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Nominate Edward Snowden for the Nobel Peace Prize

*groan*

99 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:45:49pm

Snowden may be a lot of things, but he’s no Joe Biden.

100 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:45:57pm

Snowden sets world gangbang record by serving as all 650 men over a 15 hour time span.

101 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:46:47pm

re: #99 darthstar

Yeah, it looks like a photoshop, but a damn fun one.

102 AlexRogan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:47:08pm

re: #93 urbanmeemaw

And the ram in the rama lama ding dong. Also, too, Snowbro’s fake marathon finishing time was faster than Paul Ryan’s fake marathon finishing time.

Snowden “finished” the 1980 Boston Marathon before Rosie Ruiz.

103 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:47:18pm
104 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:48:19pm
105 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:49:17pm

re: #104 Lidane

The train crash in Canada seems to be pretty bad too.

106 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:54:43pm

re: #105 darthstar

Video footage—that explosion looks like you’d imagine hell: Youtube Video

107 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:56:10pm
108 twisty  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 5:56:49pm

In defense of the people on flight 777 who grabbed their baggage…

Traumatic situations can do crazy things to a brain. It’s hard to process an event like that and you’re generally not in your right mind unless you have been trained for the situation. (This is part of why I strongly disagree with people who think they could have stopped situation X if they only were there with a gun, and people who criticize others for not having acted quickly to stop person Y causing situation X.) If you’re in shock you’re not thinking rational things like “I can replace that briefcase, my life is more important.” You’re in Safe Mode after the Bluescreen of Death and you’re operating on ingrained habit (“don’t leave briefcase, important, where is briefcase”) and fears and basically not much else. YMMV of course but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case for most people on that flight.

109 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:00:57pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Pretzel politics.

110 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:02:44pm
111 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:05:17pm
112 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:06:21pm

re: #109 Political Atheist

Pretzel politics.

He makes some very good points. The agenda behind this NSA story is very much an extremist libertarian agenda (as I’ve been saying since it started) and it’s indistinguishable from the Tea Party agenda on many issues. It’s in that wrap-around zone where idealism turns malignant.

113 Fear the Blah People  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:07:49pm
114 erik_t  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:09:48pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

It’s in that wrap-around zone where idealism turns malignant.

The asscrack of democracy.

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:10:04pm

I want to follow up with some thoughts on the story I posted earlier today about the new Zynga CEO and his massive pay package.

Aside from the fact that, in my opinion, executive compensation is out of control, one aspect in particular of it that drives me mad is the “Golden Parachute”. Why should someone be allowed to seriously damage and/or bankrupt a company via actions that would get any normal schmuck either fired or arrested (or both) and manage to walk away from that not only scot-free, but with millions of extra dollars to boot?

116 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:10:45pm

Has anyone on Twitter been making Asian driver jokes this afternoon?

117 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:13:32pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Try reading this one about Philly Teachers: newsworks.org

118 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:14:16pm

Here is more on that rail accident/explosion in Canada: rt.com

It is owned by private management co, Rail World, Inc. railworldinc.com

RWI says: “A railway management, consulting and investment corporation specializing in privatizations and restructurings. Its purpose is to promote rail industry privatization by bringing together government bodies wishing to sell their stakes with investment capital and management skills. Rail World was incorporated in July 1999 by Edward A. Burkhardt, who is the President and Chief Executive Officer.”

It operates in the US, Canada, Estonia and Poland.

119 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:15:21pm

Those pictures of the top of the aircraft burned out look scary - but the skin of the aircraft is at its thinnest point there, by design. One of the reasons so many people walked away unhurt is because the plane behaved as it was supposed to in this extreme situation.

120 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:16:55pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Those pictures of the top of the aircraft burned out look scary - but the skin of the aircraft is at its thinnest point there, by design. One of the reasons so many people walked away unhurt is because the plane behaved as it was supposed to in this extreme situation.

Credit where credit is due, Boeing has been at the forefront of airframe fatigue and failure testing. I used to work at the company that builds their test rigs. The videos of the 787 undergoing wing testing are something to behold.

121 erik_t  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:19:50pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Those pictures of the top of the aircraft burned out look scary - but the skin of the aircraft is at its thinnest point there, by design. One of the reasons so many people walked away unhurt is because the plane behaved as it was supposed to in this extreme situation.

Skin thickness is circumferentially uniform on most such semi-monocoque airframes — the governing factor is the pressurization load. The reason the top is burned out is more mundane: heat rises.

Your latter point, of course, is exactly correct.

122 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:20:39pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

If your rifle looks like this, it’s over-accessorized.

Hey man with 5th editions new rules you need all the recoil compensation you can get.

123 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:25:09pm
124 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:26:58pm
125 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:27:39pm

re: #124 darthstar

Nope. Totally didn’t see that one coming. Calling it now: There will be no apology. It will just be swept under the rug quietly.

126 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:29:29pm

re: #124 darthstar

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127 jaunte  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:31:47pm
128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:31:48pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Hey man with 5th editions new rules you need all the recoil compensation you can get.

For those who didn’t know, that’s a Shadowrun reference. Shadowrun and Battletech are produced by the same publisher, so both James and I what the other’s game to do well.

129 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:33:06pm

re: #126 Gus

[Embedded content]

WIKILEAKER!!!

130 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:33:11pm

re: #125 thedopefishlives

Nope. Totally didn’t see that one coming. Calling it now: There will be no apology. It will just be swept under the rug quietly.

“I never said that!”

131 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:33:58pm

re: #124 darthstar

Nope, the tweets aren’t deleted.

132 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:34:29pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

“I never said that!”

Dopefish’s First Law of the Internet: The Internet is forever. But he’s welcome to try.

133 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:34:51pm

I’m noticing the only thing the NTSB is saying about the incident in San Fran is that it wasn’t Terrorism.

Something about this scream pilot error.

Falling slightly below sales quotas at work. Oddly, I feel relieved.

134 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:35:53pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Here is more on that rail accident/explosion in Canada: rt.com

It is owned by private management co, Rail World, Inc. railworldinc.com

RWI says: “A railway management, consulting and investment corporation specializing in privatizations and restructurings. Its purpose is to promote rail industry privatization by bringing together government bodies wishing to sell their stakes with investment capital and management skills. Rail World was incorporated in July 1999 by Edward A. Burkhardt, who is the President and Chief Executive Officer.”

It operates in the US, Canada, Estonia and Poland.

Well, we’ll have to see what caused this. Not all derailments are preventable, but many are.

135 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:36:59pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Hey man with 5th editions new rules you need all the recoil compensation you can get.

“Any weapons requiring a second page to describe its rules are banned.”

136 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:37:29pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Nope, the tweets aren’t deleted.

Some people don’t know how to search tweets as well as others…I’ve made the same mistake. Or maybe Greenwald just wishes he could erase the tweets, which means they never happened. What we do know is that he’s watching his name trending in mockery, as he feeds off the attention.

137 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:38:21pm

re: #133 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m noticing the only thing the NTSB is saying about the incident in San Fran is that it wasn’t Terrorism.

Something about this scream pilot error.

Falling slightly below sales quotas at work. Oddly, I feel relieved.

According to CNN, which I realize isn’t the best source of late (but is there really a good one?), there is evidence of air-ground communications that suggest a problem was known to the crew and communicated to the tower before the crash. My personal speculation - and it is literally just that - is something involving a double engine power failure. I read about British Airways 38 and the flaw with the Rolls Royce engines; presumably this plane did not have those powerplants and the fix went in back in 2011 in any case, but something similar could have reared its head.

138 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:38:49pm

re: #135 Kragar

“Any weapons requiring a second page to describe its rules are banned.”

Ms. Pac-Man always made my joystick stiff and hard to manage…did I say that out loud?

139 Kragar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:40:28pm

Chaosium Rules: The game where every one of my academics/scientists was once a member of the Olympic Skeet shooting team.

“Why does your Historian have a 85% skill rating in shotguns?”

140 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:42:11pm

凸(¬‿¬)凸

It had to be done.

141 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:42:14pm
142 erik_t  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:42:21pm

re: #137 thedopefishlives

My personal speculation - and it is literally just that -

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

/sigh

143 thedopefishlives  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:43:56pm

re: #142 erik_t

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

/sigh

Oh, I know. Generally, I agree with you. Forgive me for indulging for once.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:50:54pm

re: #141 darthstar

Splendid news. That’s just the sort of thing to make left-of-center people freak out. The freak outs are most welcome to me, for they divide and weaken the Democrats.

146 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:52:49pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

My Challenge to Glenn Greenwald - Lawyers, Guns & Money

That’s going to result in some angry tweets from GG.

147 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:54:04pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Splendid news. That’s just the sort of thing to make left-of-center people freak out. The freak outs are most welcome to me, for they divide and weaken the Democrats.

Problem with theory detected. I’m left of center. I’m not freaking out. :D

148 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:56:30pm

re: #147 Gus

Problem with theory detected. I’m left of center. I’m not freaking out. :D

Not all or even most people left of center will freak out, just as most people right of center have not freaked out about this. But I’d prefer such freak-outs do occur to happen on the side of the aisle I’m not on.

149 jhrhv  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:57:21pm

Don’t know if I’m too late with this but Greenwald just got PWNED!

150 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:57:37pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Not all or even most people left of center will freak out, just as most people right of center have not freaked out about this. But I’d prefer such freak-outs do occur to happen on the side of the aisle I’m not on.

Yeah, but those folks don’t vote. Not for Democrats.

151 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 6:58:31pm

(◑_◑)

152 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:00:57pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Speaking of Zynga:

153 sauceruney  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:01:15pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Youtube Video

154 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:03:23pm

re: #153 sauceruney

Well played.

155 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:06:41pm
156 sauceruney  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:06:51pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I have too many disco songs stuck in my head.

157 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:07:10pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

It’s so fortunate it stayed upright, gave the fuselage a chance to protect the passengers and crew long enough to get out.

158 Weet  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:07:46pm
159 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:09:31pm

re: #157 Political Atheist

It’s so fortunate it stayed upright, gave the fuselage a chance to protect the passengers and crew long enough to get out.

Boeing built well.

160 darthstar  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:09:54pm

Puig strikes out four times in the same game. Almost makes me think there is a god.

161 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:10:29pm
162 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:12:43pm

Image: 2247935.jpg

HL7742

163 Belafon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:17:43pm

re: #141 darthstar

So, obviously someone has no clue how the government works. Judges appointed by the SCOTUS Chief? How insane.

If I remember correctly, one of those judges, who has approved requests on the FISA court, stated that Obamacare was illegal. No love there.

164 jaunte  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:18:02pm
165 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:26:32pm

Just heard a witness to the crash say the plane almost did cartwheel, it went pretty vertical and went back down.

166 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:28:42pm

re: #165 Political Atheist

Just heard a witness to the crash say the plane almost did cartwheel, it went pretty vertical and went back down.

Almost cartwheeling and cartwheeling are two different things.

167 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:30:44pm

re: #166 Gus


Certainly so. Just made me think it was worse than I had thought. I had thought a straightforward slam and spin to the side. Maybe a big bounce off the hit on the rocks?

168 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:31:13pm

George Jones - The Race Is On

Youtube Video

169 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:31:48pm

re: #167 Political Atheist

Certainly so. Just made me think it was worse than I had thought. I had thought a straightforward slam and spin to the side. Maybe a big bounce off the hit on the rocks?

Looked like the main gear slammed into the bulkhead.

170 CMReaK  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:33:03pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Take your pick. :)

171 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:35:19pm

Or the shoals.

172 jhrhv  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:41:55pm
173 blueraven  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:42:31pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Splendid news. That’s just the sort of thing to make left-of-center people freak out. The freak outs are most welcome to me, for they divide and weaken the Democrats.

Why just left of center people? And seriously, is everything about partisanship to you?

174 jhrhv  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:44:20pm

This guy is funny.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:47:55pm

re: #171 Gus

Or the shoals.

You aren’t kidding. The runways go almost to the shoreline.

176 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:49:48pm

re: #173 blueraven

Are you seriously going to deny this issue isn’t political?

177 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:50:33pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

You aren’t kidding. The runways go almost to the shoreline.

Impact image.

Image: phpvgL4To.jpeg

178 erik_t  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:51:34pm

Every time I see Mr. Falcon proclaim something is good solely because it weakens the Democratic party, without any regard for any other factors whatsoever, I just close the window. I’ve learned my lesson, I guess.

Good night, everyone.

179 blueraven  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:52:21pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Are you seriously going to deny this issue isn’t political?

Why don’t you explain it to me. When all of the FISA judges are appointed by one person and all of them, save one, are from the same party, that is a problem and it shouldn’t be political.

180 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 7:53:31pm

re: #177 Gus

that looks like landing gear on the rocks.

181 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:01:15pm

re: #180 Single-handed sailor

that looks like landing gear on the rocks.

Yep. Main gear. Probably right.

182 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:01:43pm

8 wheels. 777-200.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:02:23pm

re: #178 erik_t

Every time I see Mr. Falcon proclaim something is good solely because it weakens the Democratic party, without any regard for any other factors whatsoever, I just close the window. I’ve learned my lesson, I guess.

Good night, everyone.

Oh, please. Many are the comments talking how good it is if something weakens the Republicans. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

184 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:02:58pm
185 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:04:36pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Are you seriously going to deny this issue isn’t political?

There’s a difference between “political” and “partisan”.

186 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:04:49pm

re: #180 Single-handed sailor

that looks like landing gear on the rocks.

I was going to make a joke, but I don’t think joking is appropriate on this one.

187 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:06:30pm

My fav Tweet of the day.

188 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:08:51pm

re: #91 AlexRogan

Nah, Daniel Day Lewis.

Nah, Tom Cruise!

189 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:10:22pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Oh, please. Many are the comments talking how good it is if something weakens the Republicans. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy, not an argument.

190 Fear the Blah People  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:10:26pm

WTF?

Man in the Moon Tour 2013? Glenn Beck is one crazy huckster.

191 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:11:19pm


:D

192 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:12:43pm

That’s cool.

193 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:13:45pm

That was a cool moment.

194 jaunte  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:14:21pm
195 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:15:21pm

re: #190 Stanghazi

WTF?

Man in the Moon Tour 2013? Glenn Beck is one crazy huckster.

[Embedded content]

This is his big apocalyptic floor show!

196 blueraven  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:16:34pm

re: #190 Stanghazi

WTF?

Man in the Moon Tour 2013? Glenn Beck is one crazy huckster.

[Embedded content]

The people who pay to see him are crazier. Good grief!

197 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:16:48pm

re: #194 jaunte

The train was carrying crude oil. In addition to the horrible explosion, the toxic stuff is now leaking into a nearby river that supplies drinking water to a dozen towns total.

Devil’s Excrement, indeed.

198 Belafon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:18:01pm

re: #191 Gus

Snowden will earn his way back into the US by leaking Venezuelan documents showing that they subsidize gas prices.

199 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:18:28pm


Hmm.

200 freetoken  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:19:02pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

My conclusion: that GG is really just a closeted Ron Paul anarchist out for his own fame, truth or consequences be damned.

201 krypto  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:19:11pm
202 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:19:16pm

re: #198 Belafon

Snowden will earn his way back into the US by leaking Venezuelan documents showing that they subsidize gas prices.

So THAT’S why Citgo is always 5 cents cheaper at the pump!

203 jaunte  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:19:51pm

re: #197 Interesting Times

80 missing, 2,000 out of their homes.
newsinfo.inquirer.net

204 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:20:04pm

re: #199 Gus

[Embedded content]


Hmm.

That gentleman might very well be a nitwit.

205 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:21:44pm
206 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:22:01pm

Blam! Blam! Taking mortar fire.

207 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:22:35pm

re: #205 Gus

[Embedded content]

English translation of reply: DERP!

208 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:22:43pm

So two Tweets about TEH JUICE because David Frum RT’s me. Interesting.

209 jaunte  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:23:10pm

re: #205 Gus

Do you still have your tinfoil hat picture?

210 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:23:12pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

English translation of reply: DERP!

Read 208. I’ll be outside having a smoke.

211 jonhendry  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:23:16pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

“Aside from the fact that, in my opinion, executive compensation is out of control, one aspect in particular of it that drives me mad is the “Golden Parachute”. Why should someone be allowed to seriously damage and/or bankrupt a company via actions that would get any normal schmuck either fired or arrested (or both) and manage to walk away from that not only scot-free, but with millions of extra dollars to boot?”

In Zynga’s case, the compensation package probably has a lot to do with Zynga having been doing poorly lately. If the people they want to hire think the company has a limited future, they’d have to really sweeten the deal.

212 blueraven  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:23:47pm

re: #203 jaunte

80 missing, 2,000 out of their homes.
newsinfo.inquirer.net

Oh Hell…that is really bad.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:26:17pm

re: #206 Gus

Blam! Blam! Taking mortar fire.

I copy, Gus. Use yellow smoke to mark nutcase mortar positions, and then the logic artillery’ll pound ‘em flat!

214 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:27:05pm

I posted this pic of one of the explosions from the train wreck downstairs in another thread.

Quebec train wreck

215 Weet  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:27:12pm

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

Try reading this one about Philly Teachers: newsworks.org

That’s a great letter. I have not kept up with the teacher situation in Philly — it’s criminal what is being done to them.

216 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:27:14pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I copy, Gus. Use yellow smoke to mark nutcase mortar positions, and then the logic artillery’ll pound ‘em flat!

I don’t respond to a lot of shit like this.

217 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:31:00pm
218 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:31:13pm

re: #203 jaunte

80 missing, 2,000 out of their homes.
newsinfo.inquirer.net

And our idiot conservative prime minister helped it happen:

Programs related to safety face government spending cuts

Programs aimed at keeping Canadians safe are facing spending cuts as part of the Conservative government’s push to erase the deficit, according to a long-awaited accounting of Ottawa’s spending plans.

Detailed program budgets show Transport Canada is planning cuts to several programs focused on aviation, marine and rail safety and security. The reports also show reduced spending on food safety at Agriculture Canada.

219 Gus  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:33:45pm
220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:43:09pm

re: #218 Interesting Times

You speak prematurely. The cause of the derailment is not yet know. Until some details about the cause of the derailment are known, to ascribe blame to anyone is inappropriate.

221 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:45:10pm

this is stupid:

dailykos.com

222 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:45:26pm

re: #219 Gus

OK, the trolls are in that troll village 2 miles away. That we can deal with. All batteries, troll village 536 is target, 10 rounds HE, fire for effect!

BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

/Nothing but a good time.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:46:13pm

re: #221 Velvet Elvis

Please edit your post. It is not appropriate to use ‘retarded’ as a pejorative.

224 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:47:17pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Please edit your post. It is not appropriate to use ‘retarded’ as a pejorative.

OK, but if you follow the link you might agree that there is no better term for it

225 Lidane  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:50:34pm
226 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:53:06pm

re: #224 Velvet Elvis

OK, but if you follow the link you might agree that there is no better term for it

It is very stupid, but its an easy poll to answer. One side has three decent men (Barack Obama, John Boehner, and David Brooks) and one asshole (Donald Trump). The other has one man who may not be evil but enabled an evil (Bradley Manning) and three assholes (Evo Morales, Glenn Greenwald, and Julian Assange). The choice to “stand with Obama” is thus very easy to make.

227 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 8:53:11pm

re: #221 Velvet Elvis

this is stupid:

dailykos.com

Snowden’s wining. Heh.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 9:00:01pm

re: #224 Velvet Elvis

And sadly, the Kos is now hosting posts by open firebaggers. The links from the page you linked to lead me to this bit of insanity from last Friday:

The revelations of Edward Snowden have added to 72% of the people’s discontent, as those disclosures show that the same state that saved the banks at taxpayer expense, has likely been accessing everything we have written or said; anything digitally transmitted in the form of an Email, telephone call, or otherwise published online. These are are spooks. They labeled Ed Snowden a narcissist right out of the box. Ask yourselves who the real narcissists are here. Is it the 30 year old techno geek who spilled the beans on their massive spy operation? Or are they the faceless organizations of the CIA, the NSA, the Carlyle Group, Halliburton, and the myriad other corporations and geniuses that know only the relentless quest for the extermination of their enemies and the acquisition of power? This is the amalgam of government and business that has been plotting the way forward for the country, if not mankind for the past 30 years, (at minimum). Their business is war, and their currency is power. So we should investigate and think about what this all means. In the paranoid world of spookdom, a classic double negation con game could mean that they want us to flip on them, possibly using agents provocateurs to accelerate a peaceful protest into something more violent. To create just the sort of emergency that Snowden noted at the end of his video, and that would allow military intervention without state or local approval via CFR32 part 182. Such an emergency that could justify the military takeover of at least portions of the United States and would cow most Americans, convincing them to crawl back in the tortoise shell of variety shows and Swanson frozen dinners.

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 9:01:58pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

You have to go a bit further on for the firebagger’s worst nuttiness:

It may not happen for another 5 years, or even 40, but given our current trajectory, the time will come. If nothing changes, as Snowden indicated was his greatest fear, and that time comes when troops are mobilized, those with the means to establish control will do so for the benefit of the corporate citizens that have already wrested control of the planet from the people. They will include a portion of society which still enjoys adequate food and shelter, (and if lucky, a few luxuries). The lower socioeconomic segment will be the object of the State’s discipline, and have little other than enslavement or incarceration to offer in exchange for clemency.

We’ve witnessed how the security state swept up the Occupy movement and placed its leaders in a Bell jar of electronic scrutiny. The NSA wasaware of plots to execute OWS leaders, but despite having a mandate to prevent crimes in progress or future crimes that their spying revealed, they did not inform these OWS leaders of the danger. In an actual insurrection, we can only assume such will be met with similar police tactics, only this time it would be the actual army advancing on the people in accordance with CFR 32, part 182, and with all their technological bells, whistles, and instruments of destruction. When that time comes, it would be quite simple to “push” a crowd of protesters into the kind of disorganized reaction we’ve seen too many times before in the United States. One need only look at the list of riots in the US, to see that they have fallen from the levels of civil unrest during the 1960s and 1970s. Civil unrest, at least as measured in riots has fallen sharply in the last two decades of the previous century, and now seems to be on the rise again. To the Occupy movement’s credit, incidents of violence have been kept to a minimum, however even so two incidents in the Occupy camp made it onto the wiki list of civil unrest in 2011. This has not escaped the notice of the Powers that lie behind the Security State. They are well aware of the level of discontent that permeates our society today. The Army has blocked access to The Guardian’s website on military bases. There is no upside for the covert agenda in having its soldiers question the righteousness of the orders they receive. They are concerned, but are feeling relatively secure that all the pieces are in place for the status quo to resist any unwanted changes to the system that is functioning quite well by their own parameters, funneling money and wealth to the upper socioeconomic tiers of society.

230 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 9:10:20pm

re: #205 Gus

WTFF?

231 piratedan  Sat, Jul 6, 2013 10:08:49pm

just as a point of parliamentary procedure…..can anyone tell me, in relation to the Snowden case, what laws have been broken and who broke them?

Maybe I missed a memo, but the only concrete laws that have been allegedly broken from what I can tell, is that Snowden has violated the Espionage Act by downloading TS/Classified materiel from his workstation onto a thumb drive (which he (Snowden) has admitted to) . Secondarily, I don’t know if Clapper broke any laws by not being truthful to Congress, but I assume that perjury or misrepresenting the facts isn’t accepted in polite legislative company.

We have allegations that the NSA has violated the Patriot Act, but what did they do and where is the proof…

232 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 12:55:35am

re: #231 piratedan

Breaking the Espionage Act is enough to go after him.

233 KiTA  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 6:45:51am

I hear Greenwald also broke a few British spying laws helping Snowden out, too.

And the outsourced security clearance crap that Snowden’s glorified temp agency was pulling HAS to break a few laws, right?

234 piratedan  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 8:11:09am

re: #233 KiTA

I hear Greenwald also broke a few British spying laws helping Snowden out, too.

And the outsourced security clearance crap that Snowden’s glorified temp agency was pulling HAS to break a few laws, right?

sorry guys, my bad for not being clear, in all of this reporting, what US laws has the government broken? I’ve yet to see anything that looks like proof that the NSA did anything wrong (regardless of how good or bad that the Patriot Act is) as has been alleged.

235 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 8:33:31am

re: #233 KiTA

Have a downding, jerk. I didn’t downding Velvet Elvis for his post, but I did let him know that it’s not OK to use ‘retarded’ as a pejorative. We’ve had it out here on this issue before, and I though the matter had been decided.


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