Conservative Mag Slams ‘12 Years a Slave’ for Failing to Portray Happy Slaves

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Some conservatives have started laying into the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave for creating an unfairly negative portrayal of slavery. You see, the movie portrays slaves being made unhappy by slavery. But that negativity is merely anti-slavery “propaganda,” according to James Bowman in conservative magazine The American Spectator:

If ever in slavery’s 250-year history in North America there were a kind master or a contented slave, as in the nature of things there must have been, here and there, we may be sure that Mr McQueen does not want us to hear about it. This, in turn, surely means that his view of the history of the American South is as partial and one-sided as that of the hated Gone With the Wind.

…Yes, there was much cruelty and hardship in the slave-owning South, as there has been in most of the rest of the world most of the time, and Mr. McQueen’s camera is all over that. But it strains ordinary credulity to suppose that there was nothing else.

We are wondering, was Bowman equally aggrieved by the lack of happy Jews in Schindler’s List?

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1 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 5:43:57pm

Happy slaves. I don’t know why this wasn’t a panel discussion at CPAC. Somebody really screwed up.

2 Ace-o-aces  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 5:48:35pm

From the article:

To be fair to the American Spectator’s readers, the comment thread under the article is mainly filled with people asking WTF the article is all about. The top comment reads, “‘a contented slave’ - is this article a joke of some sort?”

I checked out the comment section, and it’s true. A few commenters have even stated this should end Bowman’s association with “respectable” right-wing media. Nice to see some basic human fucking decency still exists on the right.

3 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 5:52:08pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

From the article:

I checked out the comment section, and it’s true. A few commenters have even stated this should end Bowman’s association with “respectable” right-wing media. Nice to see some basic human fucking decency still exists on the right.

Why would the magazine that published Bowman’s article get rid of him because he wrote what they wanted to publish? It wasn’t just some random blog post, after all.

4 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 5:57:54pm
Nice to see some basic human fucking decency still exists on the right.

Then, of course, there’s this.

Every tax payer is a slave.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 6:12:33pm

I’m reading Solomon Northrop’s memoir now. If the movie contains even half of the stuff that he described…HOLY FUCK.

After publishing his memoir in 1853, Solomon Northrop disappeared AGAIN. It is thought that he was kidnapped and sold into slavery AGAIN or just simply murdered.

6 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 6:12:33pm

Jesus Christ, the idiocy.

Who gives a fuck if there were kind slave owners? There could have been thousands of kind slave owners, but the whole point remains is that it was a social system based on owning other people.

American Spectator: Proudly defending the indefensible.

7 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 6:22:44pm

Well to be fair, Schindler was a “kind nazi”

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 6:24:43pm

There was massive right-wing butthurt 20 years ago when “Schindler’s List” swept the Oscars, but we didn’t hear a whole lot about it because there was no Twitters, no Blogs and just only Teh Usenet.

9 ObserverArt  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 6:31:00pm

Compassionate Slave Ownership.*

You’ll come to understand this will be good for you…because we care we own you.


/


*Early roots of what would become Compassionate Conservatism

10 Official Lab Rat In Gay Radical Experiment  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 8:06:43pm

I think, sometimes, the White Nationalist part of the party gets a little cocky, thinking they can let down their guard, such as this.
But then the part of the party that is not racist (just gullible?) calls them on it, (like the commenters on the article did). And they realize they have more work to do in pushing their agenda into the mainstream.
They are getting there though.

11 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 8:16:12pm

Good god conservatives. Really? I mean really? And yet you want to blame the left for slavery since the Democratic Party which resembles nothing like the party it was in 1860 were the pushers behind secessionism.

12 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 8:16:46pm

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

There was massive right-wing butthurt 20 years ago when “Schindler’s List” swept the Oscars, but we didn’t hear a whole lot about it because there was no Twitters, no Blogs and just only Teh Usenet.

I believe now Senator Coburn made a crack about it when it was on TV one day. I think he called it pornographic or some crap like that.

13 freetoken  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 8:56:19pm

The American Spectator article is over three months old now, so it was more or less at the forefront of this, shall we say, movement.

And while the current “top” comment is indeed the one listed in the politix.topix.com thread, that is a relatively new comment and probably added by someone who was drawn to the article by previous criticisms of the Spectator article.

Here are the first (now 3 month old) comment:

God Mann • 3 months ago
So, the liberals in Hollywood can make a movie glorifying slavery and all it’s heinous practices, but if Sarah Palin states that Obamacare is slavery, then it’s okay for liberal pundits to defame her without punishment? Do I have that straight?

Which is fairly incoherent, which is what you’d expect of that crowd.

Or this one from the time the article was posted:

Boris McGuffin • 3 months ago
When the subject of slavery in North America creeps up, the most important consideration for the modern day Good Person is to put on a display of moral preening, noting their detestation of the “evils of slavery.”

White people who hate themselves have destroyed Western Civilization. It is long past due that white people stop obsessing over 3rd World heathen and instead start standing up for themselves. Unapologetically!

I do not owe a single solitary thing to stupid, backward people.

All typical Hate-Right stuff.

14 Snarknado!  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 9:02:27pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I believe now Senator Coburn made a crack about it when it was on TV one day. I think he called it pornographic or some crap like that.

I don’t remember who it was, but someone in Congress called it pornographic because of the uncut sex scene with Schindler and a paramour at the beginning of the movie. (Mass murder? Not a problem. Nudity!?!)

15 Laughing Gas  Sun, Mar 9, 2014 11:29:39pm

Here’s a review from the British right-wing site “The Commentator” in a very similar vein.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 4:15:03am

re: #14 Snarknado!

I don’t remember who it was, but someone in Congress called it pornographic because of the uncut sex scene with Schindler and a paramour at the beginning of the movie. (Mass murder? Not a problem. Nudity!?!)

No. It was called “pornographic” because the victims were forced to strip naked before being put to death. If they all were murdered with their clothes on it would have been OK.

17 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 4:58:21am

is it possible to try and advance the right wing agenda without coming across as a total d*ck?

I don’t think so.

18 De Kolta Chair  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 5:46:57am

Your move, Zombie Pauline Kael.

19 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 5:54:39am

GOP rebranding, how does that work?

20 ausador  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 6:31:00am

The slaves who were forcibly removed from Africa had previously lived in huts made out of mud/thatch/animal hides.

On being sold to their new owners in America they lived in huts made out of sawn boards and tar paper.

Why shouldn’t they be grateful and happy?

In Africa they had to carry water from streams or springs back to their hut to cook or clean with.

In America they were able to pump water from wells and then carry it back to their hut.

Why shouldn’t they be grateful and happy?

In Africa they had to hunt for food and dig for tubers, and cure hides for clothing and shelter.

In America they no longer had to hunt, they just had to work their own tiny gardens after 12 hours or more of working in their “masters” fields. When pigs or cows were slaughtered they were given the hooves, heads, entrails, and other non-meaty bits to supplement their diet. They were also taught how to spin thread and make fabric on a loom and were then able to make their own clothing from the leftover and imperfect swatches.

Why shouldn’t they be grateful and happy?

I could go on, and on, and on, but as you can clearly see already the life of a slave here in America was a clear and vast improvement over the one they had previously led in Africa.

Obviously any sane African would have been joyously happy to have been sold into slavery and transported to America (well, at least the ones that survived the trip). I just don’t get why people are so adamant in insisting that slavery was somehow a bad thing for the slaves.

/// :p

21 Danforth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 7:28:47am
And yet you want to blame the left for slavery since the Democratic Party which resembles nothing like the party it was in 1860 were the pushers behind secessionism.

Just like we should blame Saddam’s Republican Guard on the Republicans.

22 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 7:49:35am

re: #14 Snarknado!

I don’t remember who it was, but someone in Congress called it pornographic because of the uncut sex scene with Schindler and a paramour at the beginning of the movie. (Mass murder? Not a problem. Nudity!?!)

Pretty sure that was Coburn.

23 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 7:51:18am

re: #21 Danforth

Just like we should blame Saddam’s Republican Guard on the Republicans.

Sure right after we blame them for the Irish REPUBLICAN Army.

24 Snarknado!  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 8:10:00am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

No. It was called “pornographic” because the victims were forced to strip naked before being put to death. If they all were murdered with their clothes on it would have been OK.

Interesting, I had thought it was the sex — but we agree on the major point, that according to him nudity, not mass murder, is the root of all evil.

(What did he say about War and Remembrance, the miniseries?)

25 Kragar  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 9:58:45am

Why were there no cartoon birds landing on peoples’ shoulders singing “Zippidy Do Da?”

26 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:01:06am

re: #6 BongCrodny

Who gives a fuck if there were kind slave owners? There could have been thousands of kind slave owners, but the whole point remains is that it was a social system based on owning other people.

I’d give this 5000 updings if I could.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:02:16am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m reading Solomon Northrop’s memoir now. If the movie contains even half of the stuff that he described…HOLY FUCK.

After publishing his memoir in 1853, Solomon Northrop disappeared AGAIN. It is thought that he was kidnapped and sold into slavery AGAIN or just simply murdered.

This was often the case. A black person was (and still in many ways) not safe on any part of the globe. Even if he had papers proving his freedom.

Honestly, the best place for a black man was as a crew member on a Pirate ship, IMHO.

28 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:02:18am

re: #20 ausador

Yet that is largely the argument I’ve heard time and again in defense of slavery, “The plantation owner gave them everything they needed! They wanted for nothing! And all he asked was their labor!” As if slavery was not the ownership of human beings, but rather some mutated form of capitalism not much different from the worker/owner dynamic of today.

29 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:02:52am

Remember, too that the before Civil War there were Southerners who were not just in favor defending the institution of slavery in the South, but wanted to export slaves and slavery into the new territories.

These people will never give up until they have turned the clock back to 1850…

30 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:03:04am

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

This was often the case. A black person was (and still in many ways) not safe on any part of the globe. Even if he had papers proving his freedom.

Honestly, the best place for a black man was as a crew member on a Pirate ship, IMHO.

Pirate ships I heard were pretty by 18th century standards pretty egalitarian places.

31 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:03:25am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember, too that the before Civil War there were Southerners who were not just in favor defending the institution of slavery in the South, but wanted to export slaves and slavery into the new territories.

These people will never give up until they have turned the clock back to 1850…

Yep. Excellent point.

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:03:27am

re: #6 BongCrodny

Jesus Christ, the idiocy.

Who gives a fuck if there were kind slave owners? There could have been thousands of kind slave owners, but the whole point remains is that it was a social system based on owning other people.

American Spectator: Proudly defending the indefensible.

Exactly.

I wonder if the author of this piece ever considered if he would be happy as a slave?

33 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:04:40am

They had souls, only the White Slavers understood and brought them to Baby Jebus!

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:04:50am

Over 150 years later and neo-Confederates are still trying to offer excuses. “Slavery wasn’t that bad! Slaves were taken care of! It would have died out anyway!”

35 Mike Lamb  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:05:15am

Yeesh. Can you imagine the shit this guy thinks about and doesn’t put into print?

36 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:05:31am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

Exactly.

I wonder if the author of this piece ever considered if he would be happy as a slave?

Seriously, that’s something I want answered by anyone who says “Oh slavery wasn’t so bad.” Yeah because working all day for no pay and likely being separated from your family is so great. These people suck. That we’re still having people claim slavery wasn’t so bad in 20 frigging 14 shows how pathetic some people are.

37 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:06:05am

re: #35 Mike Lamb

Yeesh. Can you imagine the shit this guy thinks about and doesn’t put into print?

“Why don’t Holocaust films show any happy Jews?”

38 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:06:09am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Over 150 years later and neo-Confederates are still trying to offer excuses. “Slavery wasn’t that bad! Slaves were taken care of! It would have died out anyway!”

until the cotton gin was invented, and then, and then, and then.

Slavery is a very profitable endeavor. It is supposedly surpassing drugs IN THE USA —as we speak.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:06:26am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Yet that is largely the argument I’ve heard time and again in defense of slavery, “The plantation owner gave them everything they needed! They wanted for nothing! And all he asked was their labor!” As if slavery was not the ownership of human beings, but rather some mutated form of capitalism not much different from the worker/owner dynamic of today.

And yet you have the same people then saying
HURR HURR!!! TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STAMPS IS TEH SLAVERY!!!!!!

40 sizzzzlerz  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:06:39am

And I’m sure that, when it was done, the branding, castrations, and whipping of slaves for various transgressions against their master’s wishes were done with much love and kindness. And don’t get me started on the tenderness shown to female slaves while being raped.

41 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:07:29am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

And yet you have the same people then saying
HURR HURR!!! TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STAMPS IS TEH SLAVERY!!!!!!

And that one gets me very angry. Oh and you forgot Sarah Palin’s favorite, VB, she loves likening our debt to China as being like slavery. But don’t accuse her of being a racist or lacking proper perspective.

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:07:46am

HURR HURR!!! THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS TEH GREASTEST ICON OF PERFECTION WHO EVERY LIVED!!!!!!!
Jefferson owned slaves and enjoyed raping them.
HURR HURR!!!!! TEH DEMOCRSTS WAS ALL TEH SLAVERYS!!!!!!!

43 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:08:06am

The whole “the body is impermanent, the soul is eternal” bullshit has got to stop.

It does matter what happens to the body while alive.

Having a free soul means nothing if you are starving, do not have the right to self-defense or the fruits of your labor. And I mean that literally, could you imagine living in a world in which your child wasn’t your child?

44 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:08:14am

re: #40 sizzzzlerz

And I’m sure that, when it was done, the branding, castrations, and whipping of slaves for various transgressions against their master’s wishes were done with much love and kindness. And don’t get me started on the tenderness shown to female slaves while being raped.

or the love shown to slaves when their families were split up. I’ve seen some wingnuts actually try to claim that slavery was better for the African American family.

45 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:08:35am

re: #42 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!! THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS TEH GREASTEST ICON OF PERFECTION WHO EVERY LIVED!!!!!!!
Jefferson owned slaves and enjoyed raping them.
HURR HURR!!!!! TEH DEMOCRSTS WAS ALL TEH SLAVERYS!!!!!!!

DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON JEFFERSON

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:08:57am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

or the love shown to slaves when their families were split up. I’ve seen some wingnuts actually try to claim that slavery was better for the African American family.

HURR HURR!!!! THEY WAS BROUGHT TO JESUS!!!!!!

47 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:09:00am

They’ll write stuff like this yet they want to blame liberals for segregation. How the fuck do you do that and function without shitting yourself constantly?

48 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:09:23am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

They don’t?

49 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:09:27am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

or the love shown to slaves when their families were split up. I’ve seen some wingnuts actually try to claim that slavery was better for the African American family.

Michelle Bachman tried that meme

50 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:09:36am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Over 150 years later and neo-Confederates are still trying to offer excuses. “Slavery wasn’t that bad! Slaves were taken care of! It would have died out anyway!”

THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN EATEN BY LIONS OR TRAMPLED BY ELEPHANTS IF WE LEFT THEM IN AFRICA. THEY HAD A BETTER LIFE AS A SLAVE THAN AS AN AFRICAN.

51 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:09:51am

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

Michelle Bachman tried that meme

Yeah I remember that. What an unbelievable load of shit.

52 brennant  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:10:35am

I know it’s 10:15 in the a.m., but I really want to sit down with a stiff drink and forget I read that article.

Awful.

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:10:59am

Black people are supposed to get over slavery but we’re supposed to let neo-confederates cry about General Sherman.

54 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:11:27am
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

written by a former slave trader.

55 theliel  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:11:51am

Between this and the “Coercion isn’t ‘Rape’ rape and we should stop equating the two” screed I read over the weekend I’m ready to switch my vote to Asteroid 2016.

56 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:12:55am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m reading Solomon Northrop’s memoir now. If the movie contains even half of the stuff that he described…HOLY FUCK.

After publishing his memoir in 1853, Solomon Northrop disappeared AGAIN. It is thought that he was kidnapped and sold into slavery AGAIN or just simply murdered.

I haven’t seen the movie, but the horrors of slavery were so evil that the movies couldn’t do the actual acts any justice, because it would put the level of violence above NC-17.

A year ago, some people were taking Django and complaining about its depiction of violence and use of language (even as it deconstructed slavery and turned the movie into a revenge flick where the former slave gives the master a well deserved comeuppance). The critics particularly focused on the language and a few scenes even though it was tame by comparison to what really happened.

Slave owners really did feed slaves to the dogs - to keep the remaining slaves in line. Slaves that didn’t toe the line or escaped were hunted down and killed regularly. They regularly raped the women and did unspeakable acts to both men and women. This is all part of the historical record.

A child born into slavery was condemned to being a slave themselves. That what should be a moment of happiness was instead understood and recognized as sad because that child was doomed to be treated as the parents were.

Slaves were happy? Hardly.

57 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:13:01am

How come Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan didn’t portray the Nazis as patriotic young men merely fighting for their country!!? Damn you, librul hollyweird!!!!

58 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:13:25am

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

written by a former slave trader.

My late grandmother had a PBS documentary about the history of that hymn. IT was one of her favorite things to watch. A fascinating story.

59 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:14:56am

Honestly I want to live to live in a country where veneration for the antebellum South is seen the same as veneration for the Nazis.

60 Testy Toad T  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:16:21am

“If you reconsider X or Y minor factor, it’s really not so bad” is code for “it really wasn’t so bad”.

“Slavery wasn’t so bad” is a line of thinking that is not universally condemned on the American right.

There are lots of reasonable directions of thought and discussion we can have, but this basic fact cannot be lost in the digressions.

61 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:17:02am

Let’s face it, the reason why some RWNJs are having a hissy fit about ‘12 years a slave’ is because it accurately portrays southern conservative ancestors.

62 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:17:54am

re: #56 lawhawk

I haven’t seen the movie, but the horrors of slavery were so evil that the movies couldn’t do the actual acts any justice, because it would put the level of violence above NC-17.

A year ago, some people were taking Django and complaining about its depiction of violence and use of language (even as it deconstructed slavery and turned the movie into a revenge flick where the former slave gives the master a well deserved comeuppance). The critics particularly focused on the language and a few scenes even though it was tame by comparison to what really happened.

Slave owners really did feed slaves to the dogs - to keep the remaining slaves in line. Slaves that didn’t toe the line or escaped were hunted down and killed regularly. They regularly raped the women and did unspeakable acts to both men and women. This is all part of the historical record.

A child born into slavery was condemned to being a slave themselves. That what should be a moment of happiness was instead understood and recognized as sad because that child was doomed to be treated as the parents were.

Slaves were happy? Hardly.

There is a reason that African Americans celebrate Juneteenth. Should be a national holiday honestly but I am sure the usual suspects would complain like hell given how they reacted to MLK Day.
en.wikipedia.org

63 Ryan King  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:18:08am
64 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:18:25am

re: #13 freetoken

The American Spectator article is over three months old now, so it was more or less at the forefront of this, shall we say, movement.

Yeah, I was checking out Bowman’s other articles. He seem to do movie reviews aimed at right-wing wackjobs. Check out his review of “Frozen”. He’s actually upset that the protagonist is saved by her sister’s love instead of some guy she just met because loving your sibling is somehow leftist.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:18:39am

re: #40 sizzzzlerz

And I’m sure that, when it was done, the branding, castrations, and whipping of slaves for various transgressions against their master’s wishes were done with much love and kindness. And don’t get me started on the tenderness shown to female slaves while being raped.

It was probably delivered while the overseer told them “Look what you’re making me do by disobeying/running away/sassing me back.”

(spit)

66 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:18:55am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Let’s face it, the reason why some RWNJs are having a hissy fit about ‘12 years a slave’ is because it accurately portrays southern conservative ancestors.

Derbyshire the intellectual giant of consevatism that he is actually complained that this film wasn’t more like Gone With the Wind. You know, the ultimate Lost Cause novel as opposed to this story which is based off an actual memoir.

67 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:19:04am

Epic Journeys of Freedom by Cassandra Pybus

68 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:19:39am

re: #63 Ryan King

We Distort, You Copy and Paste to Grandma

Is the 13th amendment Marxism?

69 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:19:44am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

My late grandmother had a PBS documentary about the history of that hymn. IT was one of her favorite things to watch. A fascinating story.

Bill Moyers did that. It was wonderful.

70 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:20:56am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

No. It was called “pornographic” because the victims were forced to strip naked before being put to death. If they all were murdered with their clothes on it would have been OK.

Yeah, that’s how I remember it because nothing says “pornography” like a realistic portrayal of mass murder (and if you, dear wingnut, are aroused by the Auschwitz shower scene….sea kelp).

At least Mel Gibson had the sense to put a loincloth on Jesus in his anti-semitic torture porn “masterpiece”. No porno there!

71 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:22:15am

re: #69 FemNaziBitch

Bill Moyers did that. It was wonderful.

Yeah, that’s right, it was Moyers. She really enjoyed it. She also kept the old Civil War dischrage papers of her grandfather in law’s.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:22:19am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Let’s face it, the reason why some RWNJs are having a hissy fit about ‘12 years a slave’ is because it accurately portrays southern conservative ancestors.

FTFY

73 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:23:43am

I feel like I fell into a Sliders episode, some weird alternate earth where this sort of thing is taken seriously.

74 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:25:57am
Some conservatives have started laying into the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave for creating an unfairly negative portrayal of slavery.

75 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:26:02am

LOLOLOL

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:26:17am

Geez, even Randy Weaver sought justice thru our system. He didn’t leave for another country —why? Actually, don’t laugh, he is a patriot. He believed in our system and it did, eventually work for him.

77 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:26:35am

the Bible (like the Koran) has a stunning silence at best in regards to the institution of Slavery itself, and both actually aqcuiese to the concept of owning other people. Both “Holy” texts institutionalize slavery because they give guidelines in which to follow regarding the ownership and punishment of slaves. In no place do they state “Thou Shalt Not Own Slaves”.

It is with this license that certain a**holes in the Christian and Islamic worlds justify and excuse the ownership of people, and somehow twist the concept of this ownership into a belief system that it is actually better for the slaves.

“Hey- it’s in the Bible!” …the calling card of a**holes.

78 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:27:19am

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

Wasn’t Ford bailed out too? What a maroon.

79 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:27:32am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Honestly I want to live to live in a country where veneration for the antebellum South is seen the same as veneration for the Nazis.

Entire generations of West Germans were raised being told that Nazism was their fault. That it was a form of “original sin” for them, that they would go forward forever bearing their grandfather’s crimes as a way to ensure it would “never happen again.”

Meanwhile in the American South, entire generations have instead been brought up to venerate their ancestor’s “lost cause,” believe that the North was “just as racist,” and that slavery was just a form of business that was on its way to being obsolete rather than an immoral institution that kept millions in bondage and whose supporters looked to expand it as much as possible.

Germans were taught that their heritage is not something to celebrate, that they should feel shame for what the Nazis did in their names. Southern Americans have been taught that their heritage is guiltless and that liberals are trying to make them feel bad for something that “they did too!”

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:27:47am

re: #78 Lidane

Wasn’t Ford bailed out too? What a maroon.

Ford did not receive a bailout.

81 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:28:36am

HOWEVER if GM & Chrysler had not received the bailout, Ford would have gone under eventually.

82 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:28:39am
Some conservatives have started laying into the Oscar-winning movie 12 Years a Slave for creating an unfairly negative portrayal of slavery. You see, the movie portrays slaves being made unhappy by slavery. But that negativity is merely anti-slavery “propaganda,” according to James Bowman in conservative magazine The American Spectator:

Not the Onion?

You really can’t make this stuff up. They just refuse to be parodied.

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:29:23am

re: #78 Lidane

Wasn’t Ford bailed out too? What a maroon.

Indirectly, as in they only stayed in business because Chrysler and GM got bailouts. Wingnuts like to believe they could have weathered the storm if the other Big Two had collapsed, but nobody with an ounce of understanding about the industry believes that. One just has to point out that the CEO of Ford was before Congress the same day as his fellow CEOs, begging for the bailout on their behalf.

84 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:30:00am
85 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:30:20am

re: #78 Lidane

Wasn’t Ford bailed out too? What a maroon.

No. Ford refinanced its debt, and opted out of taking the bailout funds to reorganize the company. They went with a highly leveraged situation, where they even put the Ford logo up as collateral to get their financial house in order.

Now, if Ford could shake out the bugs in their MyTouch system…

86 Kragar  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:31:11am


“I feel a little bit entrapped, that if this was illegal, why didn’t they put something in writing and explain that to me?” Weidman told WSBTV at the time. “I haven’t hurt anybody, and I’ve taken no money under false pretenses.”

Weidman and Lowery broke into vacant homes, changed the locks, and then filed fake paperwork in an attempt to take control of the property, prosecutors said. When challenged by a real-estate firm, Weidman threatened legal action by sending a letter from a nonexistent law firm and signed by a nonexistent lawyer on behalf of a nonexistent property-management firm.

Who knew that was illegal?
/

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:31:25am

re: #85 lawhawk

No. Ford refinanced its debt, and opted out of taking the bailout funds to reorganize the company. They went with a highly leveraged situation, where they even put the Ford logo up as collateral to get their financial house in order.

Now, if Ford could shake out the bugs in their MyTouch system…

Ford got the Blue Oval back last year. There was quite the celebration.

88 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:31:53am
89 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:32:10am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

And yet you have the same people then saying
HURR HURR!!! TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STAMPS IS TEH SLAVERY!!!!!!

Yeah, but the slave master/owner got work out of them for his “largesse,” so it’s all Happy Republican Capitalist Jesus Fun-Times.

90 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:32:23am

re: #79 Targetpractice

Entire generations of West Germans were raised being told that Nazism was their fault. That it was a form of “original sin” for them, that they would go forward forever bearing their grandfather’s crimes as a way to ensure it would “never happen again.”

Meanwhile in the American South, entire generations have instead been brought up to venerate their ancestor’s “lost cause,” believe that the North was “just as racist,” and that slavery was just a form of business that was on its way to being obsolete rather than an immoral institution that kept millions in bondage and whose supporters looked to expand it as much as possible.

Germans were taught that their heritage is not something to celebrate, that they should feel shame for what the Nazis did in their names. Southern Americans have been taught that their heritage is guiltless and that liberals are trying to make them feel bad for something that “they did too!”

Good points. There’s a lot of whitewashing of slavery here and you know as I do that the politicians here enable it. I still remember George Allen having the CSA flag in his office, Bob McDonnell not talking about slavery during Civil War history month, and the fact we celebrated Lee-Jackson-King day. Really, the Lost Cause was the worst thing that could have happened since generations of Southerners were convinced that their cause was osmehow noble and that men like Lee, Jackson, and others were practically saints who did nothing wrong. The South has come a long way but we have a ways to go. Really I find the CSA flag disgusting.

91 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:32:33am

I clicked through to the original AmSpec article. I was greeted by a pop-up ad that said:

Human Events, another of President Reagan’s favorite journals, ceased its print publication last year. Help us make sure that doesn’t happen to The American Spectator. Donate Now.

It gave me hope, actually.

92 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:33:21am

re: #91 wrenchwench

I clicked through to the original AmSpec article. I was greeted by a pop-up ad that said:

It gave me hope, actually.

Maybe some day the NR too?

93 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:33:42am

In a similar vein, I watched “42” the other night and actually found myself filled with anger for a good portion of it because the way we used to treat “colored” people is absolutely deplorable.

I kept asking myself: “How can people be so narrow minded and judgmental?”

Whether it’s segregation, slavery, anti-semitism or even white nationalism, it’s all built upon a single messed up, completely flawed argument of: “Some people are worth more simply because of what they look like”.

I could never look at a man (or woman) of another race and tell them I was more important than they are simply because I have white skin. It made no sense then, it makes no sense now and it will never make any sense in the future.

Guess what people? We’re not different. We’re not unequal. We’re HUMAN BEINGS and each and every one of us deserves dignity and respect.

94 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:33:54am
95 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:35:07am

re: #88 FemNaziBitch

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96 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:35:27am

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re Canadian. What do you know?? /

Excellent points. People, and the governments they elect, can and do despicable things. And the justifications behind their actions are just as perverse.

97 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:36:22am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Move over NSA:
Louisiana Lawmakers Want to Keep a State Database of People Who Have Abortions

Bobby Jindal really supports less intrusive government doesn’t he?

98 Bear  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:37:22am

re: #78 Lidane

No. Don’t think so. Just GM and Chrysler.

99 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:38:07am

re: #91 wrenchwench

I clicked through to the original AmSpec article. I was greeted by a pop-up ad that said:

Human Events, another of President Reagan’s favorite journals, ceased its print publication last year. Help us make sure that doesn’t happen to The American Spectator. Donate Now.

It gave me hope, actually.

Oh yes, It has long been the ironic situation that conservative mags like The American Spectator rely on charity to get by, while The Nation actually makes a profit.

100 freetoken  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:38:36am

re: #77 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Slavery has been widely practiced for a long time. I think that we, in our post-industrial age, do not realize what life was like not just before the steam engine but before horses were widely owned.

Also, the spectrum from “employee” to “slave” is a strange one.

As far as the “Bible”, Leviticus has some choice entries:

39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

It has been used to justify slavery not just in the ancient Levant.

101 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:38:47am

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

In a similar vein, I watched “42” the other night and actually found myself filled with anger for a good portion of it because the way we used to treat “colored” people is absolutely deplorable.

I kept asking myself: “How can people be so narrow minded and judgmental?”

Whether it’s segregation, slavery, anti-semitism or even white nationalism, it’s all built upon a single messed up, completely flawed argument of: “Some people are worth more simply because of what they look like”.

I could never look at a man (or woman) of another race and tell them I was more important than they are simply because I have white skin. It made no sense then, it makes no sense now and it will never make any sense in the future.

Guess what people? We’re not different. We’re not unequal. We’re HUMAN BEINGS and each and every one of us deserves dignity and respect.

This is a great post. But yeah I just don’t see how anyone sees someone with a different skin tone and thinks “Hey that makes me superior to you.” In the same vein, I can’t tell somehow “Hey you’re attracted to members of the same sex, you don’t deserve the same rights as me.” Such a commie way of looking at the world.//

102 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:39:04am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Maybe some day the NR too?

FSM willing. Most users are old white men, but we need to pry the young conservatives and dudebros away from the mindset that privilege is more important than justice.

103 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:39:36am

re: #100 freetoken

Black slavery was different than previous forms of slavery, though.

104 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:39:56am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Indirectly, as in they only stayed in business because Chrysler and GM got bailouts. Wingnuts like to believe they could have weathered the storm if the other Big Two had collapsed, but nobody with an ounce of understanding about the industry believes that. One just has to point out that the CEO of Ford was before Congress the same day as his fellow CEOs, begging for the bailout on their behalf.

105 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:40:16am

re: #79 Targetpractice

Entire generations of West Germans were raised being told that Nazism was their fault. That it was a form of “original sin” for them, that they would go forward forever bearing their grandfather’s crimes as a way to ensure it would “never happen again.”

Meanwhile in the American South, entire generations have instead been brought up to venerate their ancestor’s “lost cause,” believe that the North was “just as racist,” and that slavery was just a form of business that was on its way to being obsolete rather than an immoral institution that kept millions in bondage and whose supporters looked to expand it as much as possible.

Germans were taught that their heritage is not something to celebrate, that they should feel shame for what the Nazis did in their names. Southern Americans have been taught that their heritage is guiltless and that liberals are trying to make them feel bad for something that “they did too!”

Yup, but this is probably the exception, not the rule. After all, the way Turkey approaches the Armenian Genocide, or how Japan approaches its conquest and massacres in the 30s and 40s is more in line with the “what’s the big deal?” approach that lost causers have about slavery. I’m also reasonably certain that Austria has a “let’s forget the whole thing happened” attitude towards its least-favorite son’s actions.

So kudos to Germany society for confronting its past so thoroughly.

106 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:41:17am

And so now the American Right is expressing grievances that slavery is having a biased presentation.

This is what happens when you tolerate intolerance. This is what happens when you look at these freaks — for they are freaks — and say “I disagree with you”, when you should have said “You are a crazy, sick person and you should be removed from the company of decent people.” This is what happens when you give people like this a platform, be that a television show or a radio program or a blog, rather than telling them “You are insane and most likely diseased, get out.”

107 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:41:23am
108 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:41:53am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Derbyshire the intellectual giant of consevatism that he is actually complained that this film wasn’t more like Gone With the Wind. You know, the ultimate Lost Cause novel as opposed to this story which is based off an actual memoir.

REALITY IZ TEH REAL RACISTS!

109 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:43:10am

re: #100 freetoken

Most of the issues I take with religion in general, and Christianity in particular, can be summed up by pointing at the Book of Leviticus and saying ‘these are the laws that are written in your holy book’.

Failure to obey the laws of your own religion does not excuse that the religion has those laws, as far as I am concerned.

110 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:43:20am

re: #102 wrenchwench

FSM willing. Most users are old white men, but we need to pry the young conservatives and dudebros away from the mindset that privilege is more important than justice.

Yeah you’re right that we do. We have a lot of social liberals in my generation and I don’t worry about that but i do worry that there aren’t enough people who are commited to justice. Too many people use the cop out “I’m a social liberal but fiscal conservative.” I’m not ashamed of the fact that I believe in a liberalism that tries to help all of us.

111 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:43:44am

re: #105 Ian G.

Yup, but this is probably the exception, not the rule. After all, the way Turkey approaches the Armenian Genocide, or how Japan approaches its conquest and massacres in the 30s and 40s is more in line with the “what’s the big deal?” approach that lost causers have about slavery. I’m also reasonably certain that Austria has a “let’s forget the whole thing happened” attitude towards its least-favorite son’s actions.

So kudos to Germany society for confronting its past so thoroughly.

Granted, in Germany’s case, it was more something imposed upon them by occupying powers in light of Germany’s inglorious history during the first half of the 20th century than the decision of the German people themselves. If left to their own devices, the probable result would be more like what happened in the East, where Stalin and his successors raised generations of Germans under the belief that the Holocaust and horrors of the Nazi regime were Hitler’s fault, that as good communists they’d done nothing wrong and that the West was wrong to suggest that they should feel bad for something they’d had no hand in.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:44:38am

another assassination threat against POTUS
(Removed embedding, click on link at own risk)

114 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:45:01am

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

another assassination threat against POTUS

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Complete with spelling mistake.

115 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:45:21am

re: #86 Kragar

(list of clearly illegal actions)
Who knew that was illegal?
/

OFFFS.

116 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:46:46am

re: #111 Targetpractice

Granted, in Germany’s case, it was more something imposed upon them by occupying powers in light of Germany’s inglorious history during the first half of the 20th century than the decision of the German people themselves.

Yeah, but we thoroughly defeated and occupied Japan as well, and the Japanese remain stubbornly defiant about their 1st half of the 20th century.

117 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:47:38am

re: #105 Ian G.

Yup, but this is probably the exception, not the rule. After all, the way Turkey approaches the Armenian Genocide, or how Japan approaches its conquest and massacres in the 30s and 40s is more in line with the “what’s the big deal?” approach that lost causers have about slavery. I’m also reasonably certain that Austria has a “let’s forget the whole thing happened” attitude towards its least-favorite son’s actions.

So kudos to Germany society for confronting its past so thoroughly.

What always interests me is reading about the children and other descendants of high ranking Nazis. Himmler’s oldest daughter is active in German neo-Nazi politics but Hans Frank (governor of Nazi occupied Poland), his son actually talks about his father and mother with real hatred for what they believed in and did. I guess this is why I believe we’re ultimately products of our environments and experiences. I don’t believe anyone is truly born evil but that they become evil or good.

118 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:47:39am
119 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:47:39am

Three things about this concept of a “kind” slaver:

One: You had the luxury to be kind until the very moment it wasn’t convenient. It’s a No True Scotsman statement, rather akin to lazy use of the “responsible gun owner versus criminal” distinction.

Two: Most slave owners conceptualized of themselves as kind, because they viewed their chattel as childlike or animal-like, and that harsh discipline was refining, rather than abusive.

Three: A lot of what can be presented as kind retrospectively was merely practical.

Functionally (and only functionally), within the US system slaves were beasts of burden that gained values as they were trained better and better*. Owning expensive chattel and abusing it to death wasn’t just cruel, it was fantastically stupid. A slave owner giving a slave adequate food, shelter, and medical care was maintaining an investment. If you were poor and had only one slave (which was often the case), that individual was a had capital investment: to maximize its productivity, you had to maintain it.

* set this in contrast to the early waves of Caribbean slavery, where slaves were cheaper and there was a steady supply from Africa.

This idea of “happy slaves” is insidious in another way: happiness is about internal experience, not external conditions. Many people experience happiness under horrific circumstances. A relationship…faith…even little things like personal rituals or hobbies can buoy people through horrible times. Were there slaves who were happy? Probably, but chances are pretty damn good it wasn’t because their master made them happy. If you were born into slavery, raised to think of yourself as less than, then what situation would you compare your slavery to, and find yourself wanting?

120 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:47:40am
121 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:48:11am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Move over NSA:
Louisiana Lawmakers Want to Keep a State Database of People Who Have Abortions

But keeping a state database of gun purchasers is a bad thing.

‘Kay.

122 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:48:19am

re: #116 Ian G.

Yeah, but we thoroughly defeated and occupied Japan as well, and the Japanese remain stubbornly defiant about their 1st half of the 20th century.

A lot of people think MacArthur mesesd up by letting the emperor stay on.

123 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:48:31am

re: #81 Pie-onist Overlord

HOWEVER if GM & Chrysler had not received the bailout, Ford would have gone under eventually.

Ah, ok. I got confused. Thanks!

124 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:48:47am
125 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:49:16am

look at the faces of the women in the background.

because a girl wanted to go to school

126 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:49:32am

re: #120 Lidane

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These people get weirder and weirder. I’d worry far more about my daughter becoming a hateful RW talk show host than a lesbian.

127 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:50:05am
128 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:50:15am

re: #125 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded image]

look at the faces of the women in the background.

because a girl wanted to go to school

That’s Eric Holder’s sister in law isn’t it? The bravery men and women her had to do what they did.

129 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:50:21am

re: #96 lawhawk

You’re Canadian. What do you know?? /

Excellent points. People, and the governments they elect, can and do despicable things. And the justifications behind their actions are just as perverse.

Well I am Canadian, but living in the South where I am now, I am becoming more familiar with the history of segregation and racial tensions in these regions.

And to be quite frank, it makes me sick because (as indicated above) I really feel people should be better than that.

130 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:51:05am

re: #109 GunstarGreen

Most of the issues I take with religion in general, and Christianity in particular, can be summed up by pointing at the Book of Leviticus and saying ‘these are the laws that are written in your holy book’.

Failure to obey the laws of your own religion does not excuse that the religion has those laws, as far as I am concerned.

You missed the part where Jesus/St. Paul said, “except for the ones you don’t wanna follow, because it’s all cool (except what you think God thinks ain’t cool).”

///

131 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:51:59am
132 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:52:09am
133 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:52:27am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

One of the interesting thoughts that crossed my mind is you could change the player in the movie from a black player to a gay player and set the movie in the present day and it would STILL come off similarly in terms of stigma and intolerance.

After all, there has still never been an openly gay player in MLB.

134 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:53:16am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

That’s Eric Holder’s sister in law isn’t it? The bravery men and women her had to do what they did.

No clue.

I think it Melba Patillo Beals

135 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:54:35am

Which is why Mt. Gox is still going strong:

136 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:55:20am

re: #135 Lidane

In other news, the grandson of the founder of North Korea points to his re-election and says that his country is a people’s democratic republic.

137 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:55:47am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I am Canadian, but living in the South where I am now, I am becoming more familiar with the history of segregation and racial tensions in these regions.

And to be quite frank, it makes me sick because (as indicated above) I really feel people should be better than that.

People should be better than that. But they’re not. Because most of them are garbage. Weak, cowardly creatures afraid to live on their own, incapable of conducting themselves in an honorable manner without the threat of pain and punishment. They hate ‘PC’ because deep down inside, they want to walk about screaming NI-CLANG- NI-CLANG NI-CLANG, and they hate that they’re restrained from doing so because of the fear of repercussions. They hate ‘The War on Religion’ because they know that, without God threatening them constantly, they’d become worthless degenerates — and a lot of them already are, they just don’t admit it in the light of day. They want their ‘stand your ground’ laws because they’re too stupid to deal with situations in any way other than that of primates, throwing their arms around screeching OOK OOK OOK and trying to be more threatening than the next monkey. They’re animals, shying away from the fire and hating that the world is so.

138 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:55:54am

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

No clue.

I think it Melba Patillo Beals

Oh okay. Thought it was Vivian Malone but I think it’s actually one of the Little Rock Nine now that I think about it.

139 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:56:54am
If you follow me through social media you know I’m used to visiting plantation landscapes and dressing in the type of clothing enslaved people would wear. I’ve cooked the enslaved way in many states across the former Confederacy and Border states. I’ve picked cotton and worked in tobacco fields. I’ve been in rice and sugarcane fields in the Lowcountry and Lower Mississippi Valley dodging teenaged gators and poisonous snakes. Plantations blind with darkness don’t scare me and I almost take comfort from the spirits that have surrounded me. I have been in their presence—for real—and the ancestors have been both welcoming and irritated by my company.

I think I’m bad. I think I’m cool. I think I’m seasoned. I think I’m brave. I think I’m aware.

Then I go see 12 Years a Slave. All of that intellectual bravado ran like Eva for the nearest North Star.

[…]

A new follow for me, and maybe for our Pie-onist Overlord as well.

Michael W. Twitty
Michael W. Twitty
@KosherSoul

I’m an African American-Jewish culinary historian into recreating historical dishes from #Africa through slavery and their connection to contemporary #food.

140 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:57:23am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Oh okay. Thought it was Vivian Malone but I think it’s actually one of the Little Rock Nine now that I think about it.

I have no idea who the student is, but is that Phylis Schafly on the right?

141 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:58:59am

re: #140 Skip Intro

I have no idea who the student is, but is that Phylis Schafly on the right?

Too young to be PS since PS was Jefferson Davis’s Sunday School teacher.

142 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:59:13am

WTF SXSW.

143 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:59:36am

re: #136 Ian G.

In other news, the grandson of the founder of North Korea points to his re-election and says that his country is a people’s democratic republic.

Sure just like the “Democratic” Republic of the Congo, right?

144 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 10:59:56am

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure just like the “Democratic” Republic of the Congo, right?

Right or the former German Democratic Republic.

145 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:00:48am

re: #140 Skip Intro

I have no idea who the student is, but is that Phylis Schafly on the right?

One of the Little Rock Nine.

146 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:01:38am

re: #142 Gus

WTF SXSW.

I know, Gaga and Bieber? Say goodbye to any shred of credibility as an idiefest.

147 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:02:11am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

I hope they push for more than wages because frankly, they deserve more than a small raise.

148 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:03:14am

re: #139 wrenchwench

Added as well.

149 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:03:14am

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

One of the Little Rock Nine.

Sadly some of the Little Rock Nine did leave the country because of their experiences trying to go to High School. Some have never returned, they were traumatized so badly by the white christians of Little Rock.

Warriors Don’t Cry by Melba Patillo Beals.

Ironically, the HIgh School involved has a majority of AA students now.

150 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:04:18am

Pooped.

151 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:05:10am

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

Ironically, the HIgh School involved has a majority of AA students now.

That’s not ironic, it was their plan THE WHOLE TIME!

152 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:05:38am

re: #150 Gus

Pooped.

Pissed.

153 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:07:07am

re: #152 chadu

Pissed.

Discombobulated.

154 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:07:23am

re: #152 chadu

re: #150 Gus
Pooped.

Pissed.

Showered.

155 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:07:25am

re: #146 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut


Yeah, WTF for Bieber. Total assclown.

156 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:07:34am

Lilliputian emotions.

157 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:08:03am

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

Sadly some of the Little Rock Nine did leave the country because of their experiences trying to go to High School. Some have never returned, they were traumatized so badly by the white christians of Little Rock.

Warriors Don’t Cry by Melba Patillo Beals.

Ironically, the HIgh School involved has a majority of AA students now.

Seems like Fablusmuch like George Wallace later was another coward who did what he did because of political cowardice.

158 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:08:04am
159 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:08:16am

re: #153 Gus

Discombobulated.

Sorry Gus, I hope you get recombobulated soon.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:08:29am

re: #146 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I know, Gaga and Bieber? Say goodbye to any shred of credibility as an idiefest.

I hear the two of them are playing Burning Man next.
//

161 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:08:33am

re: #155 lawhawk

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Yeah, WTF for Bieber. Total assclown.

I used to think that Bieber hate was overblown but the kid’s a little shithead.

162 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:09:20am

re: #160 Feline Fearless Leader

I hear the two of them are playing Burning Man next.
//

Oh please no, next you’ll tell me Bieber will open at Bonnaroo.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:09:24am

re: #156 Gus

Lilliputian emotions.

But if you don’t watch them closely they ambush and tie down the larger emotions.

164 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:09:46am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I used to think that Bieber hate was overblown but the kid’s a little shithead.

People say we need to stop immigration from Mexico, when the real problem is Canada.

165 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:10:24am

re: #164 Skip Intro

People say we need to stop immigration from Mexico, when the real problem is Canada.

Yeah, build the dang fence!

166 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:10:49am

Uh oh.

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:03am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Oh please no, next you’ll tell me Bieber will open at Bonnaroo.

Bieber at Bonnaroo. That would be one epic bottling.

168 Zirgar  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:20am

Isn’t it odd how these right wingers will rail against the “slavery” they see coming their way at the hands of the federal government but will fight really hard to let you know that real, actually slavery wasn’t so bad.

169 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:32am

Still could be completely unrelated. We’ll find out in time.

170 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:35am
171 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:37am

re: #164 Skip Intro

People say we need to stop immigration from Mexico, when the real problem is Canada.

Hey we aren’t all talentless, immature hacks you know.

/

172 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:11:53am

re: #168 Zirgar

Isn’t it odd how these right wingers will rail against the “slavery” they see coming their way at the hands of the federal government but will fight really hard to let you know that real, actually slavery wasn’t so bad.

It is, yes.

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:12:48am

re: #168 Zirgar

Isn’t it odd how these right wingers will rail against the “slavery” they see coming their way at the hands of the federal government but will fight really hard to let you know that real, actually slavery wasn’t so bad.

HURR HURR!!!! TEH INCOME TAX IS WORSER THEN ALL TEH SLAVERYS!!!!1!!!

174 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:13:30am

re: #171 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey we aren’t all talentless, immature hacks you know.

/

Ted Cruz Sr., Ted Cruz, and the Beliber.

If I was President, that would be enough for a declaration of war.

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:13:48am

UR ARGUMENT IS INVALID HURR HURR!!!!

176 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:14:44am

re: #152 chadu

Pissed.

re: #146 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I know, Gaga and Bieber? Say goodbye to any shred of credibility as an idiefest.

And as above WTF SXSW

I’m pissed too for another reason maybe. Edward Snowden has the US Constitution for his backdrop for his speech to SXSW. Un freaking believable. The deep dissonance may cause small earth tremors.

177 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:20:22am

newyorker.com
Story on and interview with Peter Lanza, father of Adam the Newtown shooter. He actually says he wishes his son were never born which I imagine even knowing what his son did was really hard to say. It is always scary but I see a little of myself in Adam Lanza, like Lanza I have Asperger’s and some of the traits that go with it. Obviously I never would even think about shooting up a school of children but it’s scary to me to read stuff like this and see a litlte of yourself.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:21:24am

re: #166 Gus

Uh oh.

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yeah. I had a related link downstairs about that.

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Duo with stolen passports not Asian-looking, ‘look like footballer Balotelli’

179 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:21:59am

re: #169 Gus

So many questions, and no answers. We wont know begin to understand what happened on board until they find the plane, and the black boxes. Only then can the investigators begin to unravel what happened to the plane.

It may be all these stolen passport issues are unrelated, or that they were somehow involved tangentially.

It’s downright bizarre to think that some Iranian group would target a plane full of Chinese (what’s the angle here?). Could be that they were planning on using the flight as a stepping stone to go somewhere else, or they just happened to be unfortunate passengers like everyone else who died in a crash with no terrorism link at all (it being caused by mechanical/human error).

I’m still leaning towards terrorism being involved, particularly because of the number of passengers on board with stolen passports.

180 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:22:01am

re: #166 Gus

Uh oh.

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We’ll see. It would seem odd for the Iranian government to start a cold war with China, of all countries, given that China a) would take the gloves off rather quickly, one assumes, and b) China has been on Iran’s side of the nuclear dispute and sells weaponry to Tehran.

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:22:17am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah. I had a related link downstairs about that.

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Duo with stolen passports not Asian-looking, ‘look like footballer Balotelli’

You think they didn’t swap the passport photos to match whoever was using the stolen ID?

182 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:22:27am

SXSW:

Assange
Bieber
Snowden
Seth Rogan
Tom Arnold

183 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:23:49am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

Raw comparison of prison statistics are kind of meaningless. We have a terrible, terrible problem with overcriminalization and forcing prisoners into recidivism, but anyone who thinks Russia’s justice system is better or more fair is silly.

184 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:23:56am

Pro Russian narrative on Ukraine is gaining some traction in certain circles
Our news media is lying to us about Ukraine

Is this really the revolution/coup that DKos wants to support?

But these are the same people who are unbothered by Snowden lecturing us about freedom from Moscow.

185 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:24:43am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

So, an argument against the war on drugs and the unsustainable nature of imprisonment for certain kinds of crimes.

But it doesn’t address the fact that Russia imprisons those who speak out against Putin and the government. Or that Russia’s prison situation is far more harsh than what we have here, or that there’s due process involved.

Reforming the criminal law here is separate from Snowden’s actions - which are clearly espionage.

186 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:25:14am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

newyorker.com
Story on and interview with Peter Lanza, father of Adam the Newtown shooter. He actually says he wishes his son were never born which I imagine even knowing what his son did was really hard to say. It is always scary but I see a little of myself in Adam Lanza, like Lanza I have Asperger’s and some of the traits that go with it. Obviously I never would even think about shooting up a school of children but it’s scary to me to read stuff like this and see a litlte of yourself.

As I’ve said in other contexts, it is important to keep in mind — fresh in mind — that Adam Lanza was a man. Not a demon. Not a wraith. Not some mythological beast from a storybook. A man.

We all have grievances. The differences between us lie in how we handle those grievances. Never forget that which humans are capable of, given motivation and means. Never forget that the core difference between decent people and mass murderers, perhaps the only difference, is how they choose to deal with their grievances.

187 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:25:25am

re: #182 b.d.

SXSW:

Assange
Bieber
Snowden
Seth Rogan
Tom Arnold

Borrowed…

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:25:30am

re: #179 lawhawk

4:30 pm: People with stolen passports may not have had any terror links, says travel agent In a detailed analysis of the antecedents of the two passengers who boarded the ill fated MH70 with stolen passports, the Financial Times found that the duo may have been aiming to illegally emigrate to Europe and may have been on the Malaysia Airlines flight by a quirk of ticketing. The report quoted Benjaporn Krutnait, the travel agent who had booked the two tickets as saying that an Iranian contact, ‘Mr Ali’ had asked for the tickets to be booked on the cheapest route possible. She had attempted to book the duo on two other airlines initially. The report states: But the tickets expired when Ms Benjaporn did not hear back from Mr Ali. When he contacted her again on Thursday, she rebooked the men on the Malaysia Airlines flight through Beijing because it was the cheapest available. Ms Benjaporn booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines via a code share arrangement. She said that she had been booking tickets for the Iranian contact for almost three years on an average of once a month and there was no evidence to suggest ‘Mr Ali’ knew they had stolen passports. Read the complete Financial Times article here

Read more at: firstpost.com

189 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:26:15am

re: #166 Gus

Uh oh.

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Both of those passports were stolen in Thailand where Hezbollah and Iranian intel have been active in recent years. They generally aren’t very good terrorists as demonstrated by the failed attempts to assassinate Israeli diplomats. There was a work accident at their bomb factory.

190 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:26:51am

cnn image

CNN 2011:

A profitable enterprise
Ranking behind illegal drugs and arms trafficking, human trafficking is estimated to be the third largest international crime industry, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. It is believed to generate profits of an estimated $32 billion, according to a 2005 report from the International Labour Organization. Of that number, $15.5 billion is made in industrialized countries.

191 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:27:06am

Gawker’s John Cook goes to First Look


We now have all levels of derp reporting. From proto-derp (Gawker’s Cook) to polemic-derp (Greenwald).

192 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:27:13am

re: #186 GunstarGreen

As I’ve said in other contexts, it is important to keep in mind — fresh in mind — that Adam Lanza was a man. Not a demon. Not a wraith. Not some mythological beast from a storybook. A man.

We all have grievances. The differences between us lie in how we handle those grievances. Never forget that which humans are capable of, given motivation and means. Never forget that the core difference between decent people and mass murderers, perhaps the only difference, is how they choose to deal with their grievances.

Good point,

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:27:28am

re: #181 Pie-onist Overlord

You think they didn’t swap the passport photos to match whoever was using the stolen ID?

Yes, pretty sure the photos would be changed to match.
I think the guy was just trying to describe what one of the men looked like.

194 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:27:38am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

newyorker.com
Story on and interview with Peter Lanza, father of Adam the Newtown shooter. He actually says he wishes his son were never born which I imagine even knowing what his son did was really hard to say. It is always scary but I see a little of myself in Adam Lanza, like Lanza I have Asperger’s and some of the traits that go with it. Obviously I never would even think about shooting up a school of children but it’s scary to me to read stuff like this and see a litlte of yourself.

I THINK that is the beginning of making sure you are a person who never does such things.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:28:07am

re: #191 lawhawk

Gawker’s John Cook goes to First Look

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We now have all levels of derp reporting. From proto-derp (Gawker’s Cook) to polemic-derp (Greenwald).

Now all they need is somebody joining First_Look from Breitbart. Then the Circle of Derp will be complete.

196 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:28:14am

re: #185 lawhawk

Some nations are very good at intimidating and exacting non judicial punishments. I’m unimpressed with those nations lesser prison rates. They know how to hurt you every day. At your work, your family, etc.

197 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:28:16am

re: #185 lawhawk

So, an argument against the war on drugs and the unsustainable nature of imprisonment for certain kinds of crimes.

But it doesn’t address the fact that Russia imprisons those who speak out against Putin and the government. Or that Russia’s prison situation is far more harsh than what we have here, or that there’s due process involved.

Reforming the criminal law here is separate from Snowden’s actions - which are clearly espionage.

Exactly, it’s not wrong for GG to point out that we do have a problem with prisons but that doesn’t mean Americans can’t and shouldn’t criticize the Russian system. Obdi’s right, you can’t use statistics in a vaccum like that.

198 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:28:42am

re: #179 lawhawk

So many questions, and no answers. We wont know begin to understand what happened on board until they find the plane, and the black boxes. Only then can the investigators begin to unravel what happened to the plane.

It may be all these stolen passport issues are unrelated, or that they were somehow involved tangentially.

It’s downright bizarre to think that some Iranian group would target a plane full of Chinese (what’s the angle here?). Could be that they were planning on using the flight as a stepping stone to go somewhere else, or they just happened to be unfortunate passengers like everyone else who died in a crash with no terrorism link at all (it being caused by mechanical/human error).

I’m still leaning towards terrorism being involved, particularly because of the number of passengers on board with stolen passports.

I found something on the BBC site about the prevelance of stolen passports / travel documents

The presence of two passengers with stolen passports is a breach of security, but could relate to illegal migration. John Magaw - a former under-secretary for the US Transport and Security Administration and former director of the US Secret Service - has told the BBC there were “quite a few people that do fly, especially in that part of the world, with improper identification or false identification”.

When an Air India plane crashed in Mangalore in 2010 en route from Dubai, with the loss of 158 lives, as many as 10 fraudulent passports were recovered.

Source: BBC News.

INTERPOL has a database of stolen passports / travel documents that is available and searchable by govt. bodies (IE Customs / Border Control / Security), but very few countries actually use it. Main users. US, England and UAE last year.

RBS

199 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:28:58am

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

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Obviously photoshopped.

Can’t be real.

(Crying inside.)

200 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:29:06am

re: #196 Political Atheist

Some nations are very good at intimidating and exacting non judicial punishments. I’m unimpressed with those nations lesser prison rates. They know how to hurt you every day. At your work, your family, etc.

However, when compared to other first-world nations, we have a shockingly high incarceration rate. Don’t need the comparisons to Russia et al, those just muddy the issue, but comparing like-to-like, we are fucking awful.

201 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:29:27am

The GOP takes this man seriously. He had a heavy hand in the 2012 Republican platform, since he wrote 71 motions and 70 of them passed:

202 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:29:53am

Speaking of our Prisons

203 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:30:27am

re: #201 Lidane

The GOP takes this man seriously. He had a heavy hand in the 2012 Republican platform, since he wrote 71 motions and 70 of them passed:

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Killed how? by Cancer?

204 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:30:49am

re: #201 Lidane

The GOP takes this man seriously. He had a heavy hand in the 2012 Republican platform, since he wrote 71 motions and 70 of them passed:

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Yep. And Mike Huckabee thinks we should listen to him at gunpoint.

205 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:31:03am

re: #173 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH INCOME TAX IS WORSER THEN ALL TEH SLAVERYS!!!!1!!!

That’s because teh incum tix affects alla us (white) folks, but slabery only afficted some (black) folks!

206 calochortus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:31:10am

re: #179 lawhawk

Apparently flying with stolen passports is pretty common, although obviously it is hard to get firm statistics. I was told (by someone who is usually pretty good with fact checking) that a flight that was investigated for reasons totally unrelated to terrorism had 10 people with stolen passports on it. Illegal immigration, criminal activities, human trafficking, etc.

207 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:31:14am

John Cook from Gawker, a nasty gossip-obsessed narcissist. He’ll fit right in.

208 jaunte  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:31:51am
209 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:31:56am
210 chadu  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:32:16am

re: #146 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I know, Gaga and Bieber? Say goodbye to any shred of credibility as an idiefest.

I like Lady Gaga.

Youtube Video

211 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:32:56am

re: #120 Lidane

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Wait? What? How?

212 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:33:04am

re: #168 Zirgar

Welcome, hatchling.

213 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:33:06am
Slavery by another name

The experts said that human trafficking is not a new crime, we have simply given it a new name.

“At its heart, we’re talking about slavery,” Walsh said. “We were all taught that slavery ended in the 1860s. Not so. It just morphed into another practice.”

Walsh said that human trafficking is a crime about money. Even drug dealers are moving to the sale of people because they are commodities that never require replenishing.

“If they sell a person tonight they can sell the same person five or ten times the next night, and profits go up immeasurably,” Walsh said. “And street hustlers have discovered that they are much less likely to get caught selling young girls than when they were selling drugs.”

214 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:33:12am

re: #209 Lidane

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Given that their founder defended segregation, this isn’t much of a stretch. Sure Buckley wasn’t an idiot like say Palin or GOHMERT but he possessed the same spirit of intolerance that dominates the conservative movement.

215 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:33:30am

re: #210 chadu

I like Lady Gaga.

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Gaga is awesome!

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:33:35am

Hey Gus…just saw your Palin CPAC photoshop on Facebook.

217 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:34:07am

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

Wait? What? How?

Because it’s Disney and therefore reasons. That’s how.

218 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:34:24am

re: #201 Lidane

Those two World Wars in the heart of Christian Europe? Yeah, those people were fake Christians, or something.

219 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:35:23am

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

My Grandma warned me about ‘white slavery’ when I was going to take the train from Joliet to Chicago. I had no idea what she was talking about., other than, ‘be careful’.

220 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:35:25am

re: #218 Ian G.

Those two World Wars in the heart of Christian Europe? Yeah, those people were fake Christians, or something.

Poles and their Roman dictator.

221 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:35:33am

Don’t put all your Dudebros in one basket.

222 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:35:46am

re: #191 lawhawk

If they’re going to derp, best to go all out. /

223 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:35:46am
224 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:36:13am

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

Wait? What? How?

Swanson: Man, how many children are taken into these things and how many Christians are taking their kids off to see the movie Frozen, produced by an organization that is probably one of the most pro-homosexual organizations in the country? You wonder sometimes, I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist, but you wonder sometimes if maybe there’s something very evil happening here. If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to 5- and 6- and 7-year-olds in Christian families around America?

Vaughn: I would make a movie.

Swanson: I would buy Disney. If I was the Devil, I would buy Disney in 1984, that’s what I would have done. - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Rule of thumb, if you say “I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist”, then you say something this mind-numbingly stupid, you are one.

RBS

225 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:36:14am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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Snicker. Tis true.

226 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:37:27am

re: #217 Lidane

Because it’s Disney and therefore reasons. That’s how.

Disney doesn’t discriminate against Hte Ghey

227 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:38:01am

re: #208 jaunte

firstdude

228 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:38:04am

re: #224 RealityBasedSteve

Swanson: Man, how many children are taken into these things and how many Christians are taking their kids off to see the movie Frozen, produced by an organization that is probably one of the most pro-homosexual organizations in the country? You wonder sometimes, >I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist, but you wonder sometimes if maybe there’s something very evil happening here. If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to 5- and 6- and 7-year-olds in Christian families around America?

Vaughn: I would make a movie.

Swanson: I would buy Disney. If I was the Devil, I would buy Disney in 1984, that’s what I would have done. - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Rule of thumb, if you say “I’m not a tinfoil hat conversationalist”, then you say something this mind-numbingly stupid, you are one.

RBS

IF I was the devil, I would be focused on for bigger fish than a message that people of the same gender loving each other is okay but I’m not Swanson’s super lazy devil that just encourages pro-gay beliefs in children. Swanson and Vaughn are just afraid that their kids will say gay people as human beings like the rest of us which is counter to their belief that gay people and those that support them having equality are demons.

229 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:38:06am

re: #224 RealityBasedSteve

Swanson: Man, how many children are taken into these things and how many Christians are taking their kids off to see the movie Frozen, produced by an organization that is probably one of the most pro-homosexual organizations in the country? You wonder sometimes, >I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist, but you wonder sometimes if maybe there’s something very evil happening here. If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to 5- and 6- and 7-year-olds in Christian families around America?

Vaughn: I would make a movie.

Swanson: I would buy Disney. If I was the Devil, I would buy Disney in 1984, that’s what I would have done. - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Rule of thumb, if you say “I’m not a tinfoil hat conversationalist”, then you say something this mind-numbingly stupid, you are one.

RBS

“I would buy Disney in 1984”. I’m not sure what the hell that means, but my instinct tells me there’s something about sinister Jews (like, say, Michael Eisner) underlying it.

Edit: yup, Eisner became CEO in 1984. Jews are the Devil.

230 jaunte  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:38:54am

SameDudes

231 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:39:13am

re: #229 Ian G.

“I would buy Disney in 1984”. I’m not sure what the hell that means, but my instinct tells me there’s something about sinister Jews (like, say, Michael Eisner) underlying it.

More of that not so subtle Fundie antisemitism but Swanson will tell you HE LOVES ISRAEL so don’t call him a bigot.

232 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:39:49am

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

Killed how? by Cancer?

My bet is that he has a somewhat skewed definition of “Christian”. And makes very broad use of labels in order to have all sort of murdered people not count as Christians.

233 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:39:57am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

More of that not so subtle Fundie antisemitism but Swanson will tell you HE LOVES ISRAEL so don’t call him a bigot.

Well, yeah, the Rapture can’t happen without Israel —no?

Gotta love Israel.

234 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:40:09am

re: #200 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

However, when compared to other first-world nations, we have a shockingly high incarceration rate. Don’t need the comparisons to Russia et al, those just muddy the issue, but comparing like-to-like, we are fucking awful.

I’m not nearly as bothered by the raw number as the reasons we have so many in jail. Non violent offenders, simple drug users or micro scale dealers. The raw number comes up short in facts.

But in terms of comparisons, those under deliberate punishment by the state for places like NK, Russia and China might be the more accurate comparison. It seems established that we have a more violent population that so many nations. I would expect a relatively high incarceration rate from that sad aspect of our culture alone. How I I could not guess.

Bad checks and user level drug possession is no reason for prison. Gang related violence? Rape? Robbery? Deadly assault? Oh yes. Rehab if you can (yes I agree we really need to get that going) incarcerate when that fails.

235 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:40:20am

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

236 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:40:31am

re: #224 RealityBasedSteve

Swanson: Man, how many children are taken into these things and how many Christians are taking their kids off to see the movie Frozen, produced by an organization that is probably one of the most pro-homosexual organizations in the country? You wonder sometimes, >I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist, but you wonder sometimes if maybe there’s something very evil happening here. If I was the Devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system and do something really, really, really evil to 5- and 6- and 7-year-olds in Christian families around America?

Vaughn: I would make a movie.

Swanson: I would buy Disney. If I was the Devil, I would buy Disney in 1984, that’s what I would have done. - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

Rule of thumb, if you say “I’m not a tinfoil hat conspiratorialist”, then you say something this mind-numbingly stupid, you are one.

RBS

If I was the Devil, and I wanted to do something really, really evil to 5- and 6- and 7- year old children in America, I’d become a Catholic Priest.

BA-ZING!

237 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:40:40am

[david sirota] HEY GLENN! I CAN’T GET ANY WHITER OR MALER THAN I ALREADY AM BUT I’LL TRY!! [/david sirota]

238 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:41:32am
239 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:41:40am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

Since CPAC you mean….
:-)

240 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:41:47am

re: #234 Political Atheist

I’m not nearly as bothered by the raw number as the reasons we have so many in jail. Non violent offenders, simple drug users or micro scale dealers. The raw number comes up short in facts.

But in terms of comparisons, those under deliberate punishment by the state for places like NK, Russia and China might be the more accurate comparison. It seems established that we have a more violent population that so many nations. I would expect a relatively high incarceration rate from that sad aspect of our culture alone. How I I could not guess.

Bad checks and user level drug possession is no reason for prison. Gang related violence? Rape? Robbery? Deadly assault? Oh yes. Rehab if you can (yes I agree we really need to get that going) incarcerate when that fails.

Mental Health Courts are popping up —hopefully this is a start at alleviating the practice of housing the mentally ill in Prisons as there is no other place.

241 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:42:15am

Good thing about Gawker is that you can read one of their articles within the average time of the average fart.

242 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:42:16am

re: #239 Political Atheist

Since CPAC you mean….
:-)

Ha, seriously, was there anyone at CPAC who wasn’t an asshole of some kind?

243 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:42:49am
244 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:43:01am

re: #241 Gus

Good thing about Gawker is that you can read one of their articles within the average time of the average fart.

Gawker is the bathroom magazine of the internet.

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:43:26am

re: #218 Ian G.

Those two World Wars in the heart of Christian Europe? Yeah, those people were fake Christians, or something.

All the Russian casualties were obviously 100% atheists.
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246 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:43:28am

re: #239 Political Atheist

Since CPAC you mean….
:-)

True. Oddly enough though I think The Intercept will have a stronger impact on our youth than CPAC.

247 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:43:29am

The only difference between American slavery today and the American slavery of 150 odd years ago is that, back then, it was legal.

That’s really about it. Why is human trafficking so much harder to stop than drugs?

A bit part of the problem is many of the slaves are in the country illegally and thus do not want to go to the authorities for help. They also fear retaliation from their masters.

These are people with no friends, no families and no safety net here to look after them and help if they escape from their masters.

Slavery has always been and will always be about power and control.

248 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:43:54am

re: #244 b.d.

Gawker is the bathroom magazine of the internet.

At least for those of us that are regular. //

249 Jack Burton  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:44:11am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

A dudebro force of extraordinary magnitude?

250 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:44:36am

re: #249 Jack Burton

A dudebro force of extraordinary magnitude?

Full Metal Dudebro (FMD)

251 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:44:59am

The Streets Ain’t What They Used to Be

Back in the days of the Arab Spring, optimists predicted a bright future for democratic upheavals around the world. But the reality in places like Ukraine, Venezuela, Turkey, and Thailand is far messier.

252 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:45:25am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

So when does he recruit Bieber & Rob Ford?

253 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:45:34am

re: #249 Jack Burton

A dudebro force of extraordinary magnitude?

THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY PRIVILEGED WHITE GUYS

254 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:45:36am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

Is he wearing a Helmet too?

Youtube Video

255 Zirgar  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:45:46am

re: #212 wrenchwench

Why, thank ya!

256 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:46:07am

re: #201 Lidane

The GOP takes this man seriously. He had a heavy hand in the 2012 Republican platform, since he wrote 71 motions and 70 of them passed:

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More Christians killed in 2013 than in preceding 2000 years? That’s obscenely and grossly distorting reality. Christians might be the highest number of those killed, but they weren’t killed because of their religion. That’s a huge distinction.

And let’s not forget events like the Inquisition, or Crusades, where Christians were targeted because of their religious beliefs (or died to spread them).

Muslims remain the religious/ethnic/social group that has seen the most killed in recent years because of their religion - primarily by other Muslims.

Barton is a tool. Dumber than a bag of hammers kind of tool.

257 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:46:17am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

So when does he recruit Bieber & Rob Ford?

He’d need Kanye West to make the collection complete.

258 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:46:36am

re: #234 Political Atheist

Bad checks and user level drug possession is no reason for prison. Gang related violence? Rape? Robbery? Deadly assault? Oh yes. Rehab if you can (yes I agree we really need to get that going) incarcerate when that fails.

`Well even there, weirdly, there’s a lot of room to think about shit. A lot of gang-related violence would not exist if the person were taken out of the gang environment. Kids in those areas don’t get into gangs and commit crimes because they’re morally inferior to kids who grow up in suburbs, they do it because of a lot of sociological conditions.

A large proportion of those who commit assault, or murder, will do so a grand total of one time; crimes of passion, in the vernacular, often tend to be one-offs, with little chance of the person really re-offending, and very different paths to rehabilitating them versus a guy who commits violence for economic reasons.

It’s all a rich tapestry, but we are so, so far over on the scale of ‘punish’ vs. rehabilitate it is ridiculous.

259 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:46:48am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

The only difference between American slavery today and the American slavery of 150 odd years ago is that, back then, it was legal.

That’s really about it. Why is human trafficking so much harder to stop than drugs?

A bit part of the problem is many of the slaves are in the country illegally and thus do not want to go to the authorities for help. They also fear retaliation from their masters.

These are people with no friends, no families and no safety net here to look after them and help if they escape from their masters.

Slavery has always been and will always be about power and control.

IIRC, most are not foreign born. They are taken, brainwashed, drugged and used til’ they die or find themselves in program.

The speaker I heard said that they helped a 16 year old that had had 8 owners since she was 6 —white american girl. She doesn’t know her birth name, or where she is from. They determined somehow that uncle abducted her and sold her and were working with law enforcement to deduce her origins.

People are also selling their own children IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

260 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:47:13am

They know where the stolen passports came from. Now there is a search for ‘Mr Ali’…

261 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:47:18am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

The only difference between American slavery today and the American slavery of 150 odd years ago is that, back then, it was legal.

That’s really about it. Why is human trafficking so much harder to stop than drugs?

A bit part of the problem is many of the slaves are in the country illegally and thus do not want to go to the authorities for help. They also fear retaliation from their masters.

These are people with no friends, no families and no safety net here to look after them and help if they escape from their masters.

Slavery has always been and will always be about power and control.

‘Human trafficking’ is mostly about sex for money. It is different (very) from the institutional slavery of pre-1865. It is harder to stop than drugs because the victims are mostly young women, a demographic that is accused of ‘running away from home’ when kidnapped.

262 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:47:36am

re: #249 Jack Burton

A dudebro force of extraordinary magnitude?

Those are the people that know. And don’t care.

263 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:47:59am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

IIRC, most are not foreign born. They are taken, brainwashed, drugged and used til’ they die or find themselves in program.

The speaker I heard said that they helped a 16 year old that had had 8 owners since she was 6 —white american girl. She doesn’t know her birth name, or where she is from. They determined somehow that uncle abducted her and sold her and were working with law enforcement to deduce her origins.

People are also selling their own children IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Crisis Pregnancy Adoption Centers.

264 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:48:35am

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

The only difference between American slavery today and the American slavery of 150 odd years ago is that, back then, it was legal.

That’s really about it. Why is human trafficking so much harder to stop than drugs?

A bit part of the problem is many of the slaves are in the country illegally and thus do not want to go to the authorities for help. They also fear retaliation from their masters.

These are people with no friends, no families and no safety net here to look after them and help if they escape from their masters.

Slavery has always been and will always be about power and control.

Back then it had color.

265 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:49:23am

bbl

266 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:49:56am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

I look at his list of hires and see new paradigms in clickbait, not a revival of good journalism.

267 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:50:38am
268 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:52:18am

re: #235 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is putting together the largest group of assholes ever seen.

It won’t be complete until he gets Ben Shapiro.

269 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:52:23am

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

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I’m sure Snowden is doing his best to thwart this outrageous surveillance.

270 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:53:54am
271 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:55:26am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s a good thing for CBS. Was she forced out?

(She’s one of the biggest pushers of ‘Fast and Furious’ as an anti-Obama meme, also an anti-vaxxer.)

272 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:55:34am
273 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:56:23am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

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My dear, nobody cares! Buh-bye!

274 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:57:36am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

They know where the stolen passports came from. Now there is a search for ‘Mr Ali’…

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The NYP… Uh, that’s like saying “Hey, they got tickets from a shadowy American only known as “Mr. Smith”.

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:57:46am

re: #271 wrenchwench

That’s a good thing for CBS. Was she forced out?

(She’s one of the biggest pushers of ‘Fast and Furious’ as an anti-Obama meme, also an anti-vaxxer.)

Going over to First Look?

276 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:58:33am

re: #275 Pie-onist Overlord

Going over to First Look?

She’s going to be their “diversity”

RBS

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:58:57am

Wait, wasn’t she the one who got malware and said she was “hacked”?

278 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:59:08am

re: #262 lawhawk

Those are the people that know. And don’t care.

Let’s all give Mr. Klan a big hand!

279 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:59:10am
280 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:59:12am

re: #277 Pie-onist Overlord

Wait, wasn’t she the one who got malware and said she was “hacked”?

Yep.

281 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 11:59:51am
282 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:00:30pm

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

*snort*

283 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:01:36pm


Dinesh also says he could have gotten Romneybot elected if only Mitt had listened to him. Heh.

284 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:01:42pm

re: #281 Gus

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Wrong hair color. I’m thinking RT.

285 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:03:06pm

re: #283 Lidane

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Dinesh also says he could have gotten Romneybot elected if only Mitt had listened to him. Heh.

Stop smoking crack Dinesh, it’s very bad for you.

286 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:04:16pm

re: #278 GlutenFreeJesus

Let’s all give Mr. Klan a big hand!

Take him to … Detroit.

287 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:05:29pm

re: #277 Pie-onist Overlord

Yup. In other words, she has the right technical know-how to fit in with the First Lookers (Greenwald didn’t know what encryption was until he was shown, and now pontificates about how unbreakable it is…).

288 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:06:45pm

re: #284 Skip Intro

Wrong hair color. I’m thinking RT.

Hair color is easily fixed.

289 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:08:35pm

re: #287 lawhawk

Yup.

From the end of that article:

To be clear, the federal government has not been accused in the intrusion of Attkisson’s computer; CBS News is continuing to work to identify the responsible party.

Perhaps her resignation is related to CBS finding the culprit at last.

290 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:08:40pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

Hair color is easily fixed.

Peroxide.

291 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:09:01pm

That was my grandmother’s choice.

292 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:09:01pm

re: #279 Lidane

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Why is this newsworthy? Nobody with even a single ounce of intelligence believed for even a single instant that Brewer vetoed because she gave a shit about justice or equality. She vetoed it because she had no choice given the imminent massive financial damage that would have befallen her state had she signed it. Everyone knows this, so why is it a news item that her office helped draft it?

293 jaunte  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:09:37pm

Sadbart.

294 freetoken  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:11:34pm

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

[…]

But despite heavy promotion and curiosity — a science documentary right after “Family Guy,” how crazy is that? — “Cosmos” did not exactly deliver a big bang, with 5.8 million total viewers, according to Nielsen.

That amounted to third place in the 9 p.m. time slot. Instead of true science, more viewers seemed to prefer sci-fi drama, with 13.3 million tuning in to the launch of ABC’s “Resurrection,” about the dead returning to life. It was this season’s most-watched drama premiere after CBS’ “Intelligence,” which had the benefit of an “NCIS” lead-in back in January.

[…]

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

295 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:11:55pm

re: #274 GlutenFreeJesus

The NYP… Uh, that’s like saying “Hey, they got tickets from a shadowy American only known as “Mr. Smith”.

Lighten up, Francis. All the news orgs are reporting it.

296 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:12:07pm

Just ordered my new lease vehicle.

297 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:12:17pm
298 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:12:20pm

re: #293 jaunte

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Sadbart.

Hire her, John. I’m sure the $50k you could pay would be an offer she couldn’t refuse.

299 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:13:06pm
300 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:13:45pm

re: #296 Pie-onist Overlord

Just ordered my new lease vehicle.

Ford F-150 with Gumbo Mudders and fuel injected 5,000 hp. turbo diesel?

301 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:14:23pm

New York Derp Post

302 GunstarGreen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:14:23pm

re: #294 freetoken

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

Your weekly reminder that 25% of your fellow Americans believe that the sun revolves around the earth in the year 2014.

303 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:14:28pm

re: #293 jaunte

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Sadbart.

‘Worth a damn’. I know I have said, after reading one of her pieces, ‘Damn, she’s stupid’.

304 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:15:44pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

305 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:16:19pm

What percentage of Matt Taibbi’s salary do you think Marcy Wheeler’s salary is? 5%? Less?

306 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:16:43pm

re: #294 freetoken

They also admit that the numbers don’t include all the other networks simulcasting the premiere, or the DVR crowd that was instead watching True Detective.

307 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:17:43pm

I think it sucks that Sharyl Attkisson is leaving CBS. She is one of a handful of reporters who whine about the same stuff as us worth a damn.
— John Nolte (@NolteNC)

308 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:17:53pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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Wait—Cook got hired on the basis of smearing you 5 years ago?

Could be a coincidence…..

309 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:18:03pm

Thailand grapples with ‘massive’ fake passport racket

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs said more than 60,000 passports - both Thai and foreign - were reported missing or stolen in Thailand between January 2012 and June 2013.

Police in Phuket said Maraldi reported his passport stolen in June last year, while Kozel’s passport was reported stolen in March 2012. Police said they get reports of up to 10 lost passports a month in the province.

Phuket police officer Angkarn Yasanop said foreigners can earn $200 to sell their passport and then report it stolen. Many lost or stolen passports end up with Thais and other Southeast Asians trying to migrate for work, he said.

Larry Cunningham, who recently retired as Australia’s honorary consul in Phuket, said a huge problem was tourists leaving passports as a deposit when renting jet-skis or motorbikes.

Crooked operators then make a false allegation of damage. The tourist, unwilling to pay, reports the passport stolen at an embassy on consulate and gets a new one. The old passport is sold on into the underworld.

“Phuket has some very, very unsavory characters and they’re not all Thais,” Cunningham said. “Nothing would surprise me about Phuket.”

310 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:18:18pm

DailyDudeBro

311 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:19:06pm

re: #21 Danforth

Just like we should blame Saddam’s Republican Guard on the Republicans.

Maybe we should. Consider these similarities:

Keep and bear arms.
Few if any blacks.
Frequently express admiration for a dictator (Saddam/Putin).
Defend the domestic oil industry.
Hate Iranians.
Not as smart as they pretend to be.

312 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:19:18pm

re: #310 b.d.

DailyDudeBro

Dudebart

313 b.d.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:19:26pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

What percentage of Matt Taibbi’s salary do you think Marcy Wheeler’s salary is? 5%? Less?

I’m sure that Wheeler got a raise after she spiked her own story of Pierre’s US coup funding.

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:19:26pm

re: #300 Gus

Ford F-150 with Gumbo Mudders and fuel injected 5,000 hp. turbo diesel?

Test-drove one but my feet couldn’t reach the pedals without serious adjustment.

315 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:19:53pm

re: #294 freetoken

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

I blame the network in part. Family Guy is a terrible lead in for Cosmos.

316 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:20:03pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Phuket about it Jake, it’s Thailand.”

RBS
Ducking for cover (quack quack)

317 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:20:25pm

LOLWUT

318 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:20:28pm

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

Test-drove one but my feet couldn’t reach the pedals without serious adjustment.

Good thing. Once you own a pick-up you suddenly become everyone’s mover. :D So I heard.

319 Lidane  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:20:52pm
320 KingKenrod  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:21:21pm

re: #294 freetoken

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

A 2.1 rating in adults 18-49 is actually pretty good. And Cosmos was actually 2nd by a mile, not 3rd, when you look at the rating instead of total viewers. No one who knows anything about television looks at total viewers.

321 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:23:34pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

Wait—Cook got hired on the basis of smearing you 5 years ago?

Could be a coincidence…..

It’s an interesting coincidence, yes?

On the other hand, Cook has shamelessly sucked up to Greenwald for years, too. So there’s that.

322 Ian G.  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:25:11pm

OT, but clowns like Sean Penn who praise Venezuela’s government inevitably talk in glowing terms of its healthcare system:

bloomberg.com

Looks like the border with Colombia is the only reliable source of healthcare for many in that crippled economy.

323 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:26:09pm
324 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:26:39pm

Should be some past tense verb in that tweet…

325 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:27:49pm

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

Test-drove one but my feet couldn’t reach the pedals without serious adjustment.

Seriously, I thought that Ford had the adjustable pedal option.

326 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:33:08pm

re: #323 wrenchwench

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I suspect the stolen passports is unrelated.

327 freetoken  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:33:21pm

re: #320 KingKenrod

A 2.1 rating in adults 18-49 is actually pretty good. And Cosmos was actually 2nd by a mile, not 3rd, when you look at the rating instead of total viewers. No one who knows anything about television looks at total viewers.

It was so pushed, though, including a POTUS intro - how many other TV shows get a POTUS intro?

A 2.1 in 18-49 y.o. is competitive, but again, given the positioning in the media, the extra, extra amount of hype it was given - I’m not so sure we can view that 2.1 as being a success.

OTOH, I doubt there will be a great slide in the ratings as the series progresses through its episodes, unlike the other premiers, which do show ratings fatigue after a while.

328 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:34:26pm

L’apres-midi d’un faux

talkingpointsmemo.com

‘Afternoon all. Adrift in a strange state and doubly-strange timezone.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:35:05pm

re: #326 Gus

I suspect the stolen passports is unrelated.

yep. Given the information in the Reuters story I linked to at # 309, it would have been surprising if there were NO stolen passports on that flight.

330 dog philosopher  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:35:31pm

Conservative Mag Slams ‘12 Years a Slave’ for Failing to Portray Happy

i am equally disturbed by the failure of the mainstream media such as fox news and rush limbaugh to portray conservatives as anything but a bunch of perpetually dissatisfied, whiny crybabys who have nothing good to say about the country that they live in

331 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:35:57pm

re: #286 lawhawk

Take him to … Detroit.

Preez reave a message afta tha beep.

(It’s ok, I’m half Chinese, seriously!)

332 sagehen  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:36:24pm

re: #294 freetoken

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

Not sure that 9pm on a Sunday is the best timeslot for something you’re hoping kids will watch.

333 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:38:37pm

re: #330 dog philosopher

Conservative Mag Slams ‘12 Years a Slave’ for Failing to Portray Happy

i am equally disturbed by the failure of the mainstream media such as fox news and rush limbaugh to portray conservatives as anything but a bunch of perpetually dissatisfied, whiny crybabys who have nothing good to say about the country that they live in

They will tell you that everything would be fine if we could get back to the way things were in the ’50s. I’m just not sure if they mean 1850’s or 1950’s.

RBS

334 allegro  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:39:17pm

re: #325 TedStriker

Seriously, I thought that Ford had the adjustable pedal option.

At (almost) 5’2”, it isn’t reaching the pedals that I find problematic with my F150. It’s getting into the thing - I have to leap to get my ass into the seat. If I’m wearing a skirt… let’s just say that I look around to see if I’m in anyone’s view first before I have to flash to achieve my objective.

335 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:44:13pm
336 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:44:33pm

Annnnd here we go:

Six important facts you’re not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I’m not buying any of that without a lot more evidence.The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn’t been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won’t. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth’s nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

So who could it be? Obama? Putin? The UN? AQ? MB? Israel?…

*facepalm*

337 Gus  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:46:31pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

Annnnd here we go:

So who could it be? Obama? Putin? The UN? AQ? MB? Israel?…

*facepalm*

What in feckity feck? Oh, Natural News. :O

338 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:47:04pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

Good thing he’s calm & level-headed, unlike all those conspiracy theorists. //

339 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:48:10pm

re: #335 Gus

Pierre Omidyar is building the most insufferable newsroom in history

“Hell is other dudebros.”

340 jaunte  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:48:28pm

re: #338 CuriousLurker

You had me at Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime.

341 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:48:39pm

re: #337 Gus

What in feckity feck? Oh, Natural News. :O

I should’ve known better than to peek at #MalaysiaAirlines. LOL

342 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 12:50:31pm

re: #294 freetoken

Tyson was not so hot last night:

Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’ premiere ratings not so stellar on Fox

Dear LA Times: “Resurrection” is a religous/magical idea. Yes, it gets recycled into American “science fiction” because Americans are very superstitious and religious.

Anyway, science was out-viewed by magic to an almost 3 to 1 ratio.

The initial ratings for the Cosmos premiere are going to be skewed a bit, because of the full-press saturation strategy that was done by the Fox family of channels. For example, I personally watched the National Geographic Channel broadcast, because the commercials aired with the Fox Network showing got annoying quickly.

As for “Cosmos,” it premiered simultaneously on 10 networks, including Fox, National Geographic, FX and FXX. Those numbers should be available later on Monday. Given the broad distribution, plus the time-shifting capabilities of DVRs, “Cosmos” might ultimately yield a decent audience.

343 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 10, 2014 1:23:51pm

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

If you care to listen to it, here is a riveting interview with a girl who was sold to a wealthy Cairo family at age 8 by her own parents. The girl and her “owners” moved to the US where they successfully hid the situation for years. Here is a link to her book on Amazon.

And something else: this girl was held as a slave in modern free America, where the fact of her status as a slave was fully recognized by her owners as both illegal and necessary to conceal, and they still treated her like shit and mostly got away with it. It is impossible to conceive of “happy slaves” living in a different time in the US (or anywhere), when one’s physiognomy would instantly identify you basically as living farm equipment and not much more, when the entire society officially enshrined your subhuman status both into law and into the culture, when you could be treated in any way imaginable and the society wouldn’t be any more outraged than they would be if the treatment had been inflicted on a fence post. Even a slave that was treated “well” was still property, and had no control over their own destiny whatsoever.

This is what passes for conservative “thought” now, I guess. Slavery had its positive aspects and wasn’t all that bad, but the Affordable Care Act and the prospect of billionaires paying a 2% higher marginal income tax rate is brutal tyranny that would have kept Hitler awake at night, shocked at this apparently limitless human depravity.


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