Ahead of Debate, Glenn Greenwald Spews Insults at Hayden and Dershowitz

“The most pernicious human beings on the planet”
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Coming up tonight in Toronto at 7pm Eastern time, the Mighty Greenwald will be debating former CIA head Gen. Michael Hayden and Alan Dershowitz. This is an unusual event, because Greenwald normally arranges his “debates” to avoid being confronted by people who actually know what they’re talking about.

But in the usual Mighty G style, the courageous journalist is spewing vitriol at both of his debate opponents ahead of time like a professional wrestler.

“I consider him and Alan Dershowitz” - the two men Mr. Greenwald, 47, will face at Friday’s Munk Debates - “two of the most pernicious human beings on the planet. I find them morally offensive. There’s an element of hypocrisy to being in the same room with them, treating them as if I have outward respect, because I don’t.”

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1 makeitstop  May 2, 2014 12:22:05pm

Karma will one day have its way with Greenwald. I only hope it’s broadcast on pay-per-view.

2 Testy Toad T  May 2, 2014 12:22:19pm
There’s an element of hypocrisy to being in the same room with them, treating them as if I have outward respect, because I don’t.

He sounds nice.

3 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 12:24:05pm

I honestly wonder who it is this “debate” is aimed towards. Greenwald’s supporters will go in assuming he’s right about everything, while his detractors will assume he’s full of shit from the very start. There’s not really a lot of folks watching this anymore who haven’t already made up their minds.

4 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:26:45pm

This from a guy that linked to Diary of Daedalus.

5 freetoken  May 2, 2014 12:26:49pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

It’s probably aimed at the usual Munk Debates audience, whoever that is:

Be it resolved state surveillance is a legitimate defence of our freedoms…

They all sound very Canadian in a way:

munkdebates.com

6 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 12:27:33pm

I often disagree with Alan Dershowitz’s opinions, but he’s one hell of a debater. And he’s used to dealing with sleazy litigators. This may not go as the Mighty Greenwald hopes.

7 Testy Toad T  May 2, 2014 12:28:07pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Like most televised debates, it’s not a debate. It’s a shouting match, and an opportunity for both sides to stick their hands down their pants whenever a perceived point is scored.

I don’t know why anyone serious bothers with The Glenn at this point.

8 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 12:28:27pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I often disagree with Alan Dershowitz’s opinions, but he’s one hell of a debater. And he’s used to dealing with sleazy litigators. This may not go as the Mighty Greenwald hopes.

Not that Glenn won’t be quick to declare “victory” and write off a poor performance as not being prepared for their “lies.”

9 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:29:21pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I often disagree with Alan Dershowitz’s opinions, but he’s one hell of a debater. And he’s used to dealing with sleazy litigators. This may not go as the Mighty Greenwald hopes.

You know how the anti-Israel crowd hates Dershowitz. This is right up his fan club’s alley.

10 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 12:29:23pm

Kramer: (in Newman’s ear) This guy’s nothin’ but a piece of crap
Newman: You are nothing but a piece of crap.
Ron: Pardon me?
Kramer: (in Newman’s ear) A piece of crap
Newman: A piece of crap.
Kramer: (in Newman’s ear) I find you extremely ugly
Newman I find you extremely ugly.
Ron: Do you?
Kramer: (in Newman’s ear) You emit a foul and unpleasant odor
Newman: You emit a foul and unpleasant odor.
Ron: Oh, is that right?
Kramer: (in Newman’s ear) I loathe you
Newman: I loathe you.

tvfanatic.com

11 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 12:30:15pm

Well, I didn’t get this finished in time for the last thread…so I am just going to put it here.

And, in the last thread too. Take that!!!

(Click on it for much larger view)

The Wheel of Republicans…goes around and around

12 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 12:30:51pm

re: #7 Testy Toad T

Like most televised debates, it’s not a debate. It’s a shouting match, and an opportunity for both sides to stick their hands down their pants whenever a perceived point is scored.

I don’t know why anyone serious bothers with The Glenn at this point.

The whole thing makes me think of the Nye-Ham debate from a few months ago.

13 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:31:00pm
14 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 12:32:09pm

From the trash talk, it looks like GG studied debate under Prof. Mike Tyson.

15 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 12:32:21pm
“I consider him and Alan Dershowitz” - the two men Mr. Greenwald, 47, will face at Friday’s Munk Debates - “two of the most pernicious human beings on the planet. I find them morally offensive. There’s an element of hypocrisy to being in the same room with them, treating them as if I have outward respect, because I don’t.”

Why does that sound like a promo for a professional wrestling event? Does Greenwald ever break keyfabe? Or worse yet, is it possible that he actually believes the spew that emits from his mouth-hole each day?

I would like to say that he “CAN’T” be that stupid, but I’ve learned a long time ago that is a challenge that should never be made.

Be interesting to see how this plays out, I’m predicting a “Gish Gallop” by Greenwald, and when Dershowitz and Hayden can’t possibly get to cover all the points that GG shotguns at them, GG crowns himself the winner.

I’d like to think I’m wrong, but deep in my heart I know that’s how it’s going to play.

RBS

16 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 12:33:16pm

Afternoon Lizardim. The only problem I have here is that the Hypnowald will declare victory no matter how badly he gets demolished. This is, after all, why I started calling him the Hypnowald - he can do no wrong, and if you don’t believe him when he utters one of his magnificent soliloquies, well, HOW DARE YOU. How go things among the lizardfolk?

17 Testy Toad T  May 2, 2014 12:33:27pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

Yes, exactly correct.

Don’t wrestle pigs in shit, and don’t engage in debates with intellectually dishonest PR people.

18 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 12:34:01pm

re: #15 RealityBasedSteve

Why does that sound like a promo for a professional wrestling event? Does Greenwald ever break keyfabe? Or worse yet, is it possible that he actually believes the spew that emits from his mouth-hole each day?

I would like to say that he “CAN’T” be that stupid, but I’ve learned a long time ago that is a challenge that should never be made.

Be interesting to see how this plays out, I’m predicting a “Gish Gallop” by Greenwald, and when Dershowitz and Hayden can’t possibly get to cover all the points that GG shotguns at them, GG crowns himself the winner.

I’d like to think I’m wrong, but deep in my heart I know that’s how it’s going to play.

RBS

Like I said, I’m expecting something much like the performance Ken Ham gave against Bill Nye: An opening Gish Gallop, followed by further muddying the waters while taking every opportunity to effectively insinuate aloud that his opponents are “apologists” for the NSA.

19 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 12:36:01pm

re: #9 Gus

You know how the anti-Israel crowd hates Dershowitz. This is right up his fan club’s alley.

That’s true - I expect Greenwald to try to use that during the debate.

20 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 12:36:55pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

That’s true - I expect Greenwald to try to use that during the debate.

Bonus drinking points if he slips and calls him Derpowitz. Although I fully expect this from his minions at some point.

21 jaunte  May 2, 2014 12:37:09pm

re: #13 Gus

“You know how to pernicious, don’t you?
You just put your lips together and defect to Russia.”

22 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 12:37:39pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

That’s true - I expect Greenwald to try to use that during the debate.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Jew…”

23 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 12:37:45pm

Awww…shoot. I forgot a letter.

Fixed.

Wheel of Republicans…goes around and around

24 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 12:38:17pm

re: #21 jaunte

“You know how to pernicious, don’t you?
You just put your lips together and defect to Russia.”

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!

RBS

25 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 12:38:47pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I often disagree with Alan Dershowitz’s opinions, but he’s one hell of a debater. And he’s used to dealing with sleazy litigators. This may not go as the Mighty Greenwald hopes.

I think Dershowitz will extract GG’s liver, fry it up right on stage, and serve it with fava beans and a good chianti. GG, of course, will not admit that anything has gone wrong.

26 CuriousLurker  May 2, 2014 12:40:47pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I often disagree with Alan Dershowitz’s opinions, but he’s one hell of a debater. And he’s used to dealing with sleazy litigators. This may not go as the Mighty Greenwald hopes.

Same here, but if he can smack down GG I’ll be cheering him on.

27 Lidane  May 2, 2014 12:41:17pm

Sorry for the OT, but this is bullshit:

These people need to be arrested. Period. If the sheriff won’t do it someone else needs to.

28 Targetpractice  May 2, 2014 12:41:37pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

I think Dershowitz will extract GG’s liver, fry it up right on stage, and serve it with fava beans and a good chianti. GG, of course, will not admit that anything has gone wrong.

“I AM INVINCIBLE!”

29 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 12:41:59pm

Apparently The Intercept has arranged to live stream the debate at their site.

30 Rightwingconspirator  May 2, 2014 12:43:18pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

I sure hope someone else does too. Might want to watch but Not through them.

31 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 12:46:38pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

I sure hope someone else does too. Might want to watch but Not through them.

Same here. Mayhap the group sponsoring the evisceration of GG debate will have alive stream.

32 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 12:46:39pm
33 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 12:47:49pm

Looks like the live stream will also be here:

munkdebates.com

34 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 12:48:10pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Thanks.

35 Jay in Oregon  May 2, 2014 12:49:07pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Apparently The Intercept has arranged to live stream the debate at their site.

I wonder how long it’ll go before “technical difficulties” force the stream offline?

36 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 12:49:20pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

It would be kinda cool if he showed up in a luchador mask.

El Cabron de Copacabana

37 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:49:33pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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38 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 12:50:28pm

So, imagine my surprise when I learned that wingnut kook, David Horowitz, has a “book” called Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream, with a picture of Obama on the cover, arguing that IN FACT, the most insidious bias in our culture today is black skin privilege.

I don’t know, I just can’t even….

39 CuriousLurker  May 2, 2014 12:51:50pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

I sure hope someone else does too. Might want to watch but Not through them.

I’m pretty sure I couldn’t watch it regardless. GG is like Sarah Palin to me—the sound of their sneering narcissism sets my teeth on edge.

40 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:51:59pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

El Cabron de Copacabana

El Cabron Tremendo Greenwald de Copacabana

:D

41 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 12:52:25pm

Jay in Oregon posted:

I wonder how long it’ll go before “technical difficulties” force the stream offline?

Only if NSA assaults us and shuts us down!!!

42 AntonSirius  May 2, 2014 12:52:43pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

From the trash talk, it looks like GG studied debate under Prof. Mike Tyson.

Here’s a clip of Greenwald talking further about Dershowitz.

43 Gus  May 2, 2014 12:53:01pm

Greenwald el Grandísimo!

44 GeneJockey  May 2, 2014 12:53:03pm

re: #38 Bulworth

So, imagine my surprise when I learned that wingnut kook, David Horowitz, has a “book” called Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream, with a picture of Obama on the cover, arguing that IN FACT, the most insidious bias in our culture today is black skin privilege.

I don’t know, I just can’t even….

WTF?

45 Mattand  May 2, 2014 12:53:07pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Apparently The Intercept has arranged to live stream the debate at their site.

I’m predicting “bandwidth issues” once Dershowitz starts taking apart GG like Godzilla doing the two-step on Tokyo.

46 Mattand  May 2, 2014 12:53:46pm

re: #35 Jay in Oregon

I wonder how long it’ll go before “technical difficulties” force the stream offline?

LOL, I totally did not see your post until after I published mine!!!

47 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 12:53:49pm

re: #38 Bulworth

So, imagine my surprise when I learned that wingnut kook, David Horowitz, has a “book” called Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream, with a picture of Obama on the cover, arguing that IN FACT, the most insidious bias in our culture today is black skin privilege.

I don’t know, I just can’t even….

Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream

Subtitle: White Butt Hurt Nightmare

48 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 12:54:35pm

re: #42 AntonSirius

Here’s a clip of Greenwald talking further about Dershowitz.

Ha. “It was already written..”

49 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 12:55:12pm

Pre-debate interview with the mighty greenwad.

50 CuriousLurker  May 2, 2014 12:55:39pm

OT: Why do clients always manage to mess up their websites on Friday afternoons? Gah! BBL… *sigh*

51 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 12:57:09pm

re: #49 Bubblehead II

Shouldn’t their debate transmission be unbreakably encrypted?

52 GeneJockey  May 2, 2014 12:57:55pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t their debate transmission be unbreakably encrypted?

Information wants to be free, man!

53 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 12:58:18pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t their debate transmission be unbreakably encrypted?

The only unbreakable transmission is one that’s never made. So, yes.

54 Mattand  May 2, 2014 12:59:17pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t their debate transmission be unbreakably encrypted?

It’s got Greenwald-approved 4000 character encryption!

55 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 12:59:17pm

So, as a warm-up for the debate (or perhaps for later if you need some brain cleanser), I have a neat little find for the Lizards; the first episode of the British TV comedy, “Man About The House”, which was later Americanized into “Three’s Company”.

There are some differences, but the premier episodes are pretty much the same.

Enjoy.

Youtube Video

56 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 12:59:32pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Shouldn’t their debate transmission be unbreakably encrypted?

Would kind of defeat the purpose of a live debate wouldn’t it?

57 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:00:20pm

re: #56 Bubblehead II

Would kind of defeat the purpose of a live debate wouldn’t it?

Not my purpose.

58 wrenchwench  May 2, 2014 1:01:08pm

re: #43 Gus

Greenwald el Grandísimo!

59 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 1:01:23pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Not my purpose.

I’ll take that to mean you will NOT be watching the debate.

60 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:01:47pm

re: #54 Mattand

It’s got Greenwald-approved 4000 character encryption!

That’s cool, as long as I don’t have a key.

61 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:01:57pm
62 wrenchwench  May 2, 2014 1:03:07pm

Related:

63 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 1:08:01pm
two of the most pernicious human beings on the planet.

When I first saw that I was like, what, is he debating Charles and Bob Cesca?

64 Pie-onist Overlord  May 2, 2014 1:08:54pm
two of the most pernicious human beings on the planet.

How many people have Hayden and Dershowitz murdered?

65 dog philosopher  May 2, 2014 1:11:11pm

sleazy litigators

i’m considering a nice pair of litigator-skin shoes

66 Jack Burton  May 2, 2014 1:11:21pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s acting as if he’s debating Joseph Kony and Kim Jong-Un.

67 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:11:49pm

Perhaps Mona will walk the numbered card between the rounds.

68 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 1:12:10pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Perhaps Mona will walk the numbered card between the rounds.

Ugh. Tag that with a brain-bleach warning next time.

69 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:13:09pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

Related:

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dad,,,, loves it
wifey ,, hates it

me,,,,, meh (if it’s there, i’ll eat it,, if not, i won’t miss it)

70 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 1:14:22pm

I thought Greenwald was going to be arrested, abused, interrogated and waterboarded.

72 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:16:02pm

re: #70 b_sharp

I thought Greenwald was going to be arrested, abused, interrogated and waterboarded.

Really?

huh,, when I pick a vacation resort I prefer breakfast, golf and a complimentary martini (or two)

73 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:16:38pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

dad,,,, loves it
wifey ,, hates it

me,,,,, meh (if it’s there, i’ll eat it,, if not, i won’t miss it)

GA town near here has a festival in the Fall, but they call em chit’lins.

zvents.com

74 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 1:16:46pm

re: #70 b_sharp

I thought Greenwald was going to be arrested, abused, interrogated and waterboarded.

They (tm) were supposed to do that, but the Hypnowald has grown too powerful.

75 Charles Johnson  May 2, 2014 1:18:07pm
76 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:18:15pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

GA town near here has a festival in the Fall, but they call em chit’lins.

zvents.com

Treid them

I prefer the way dad (and his dad before him) prepared them. Italian style in a tomato sauce

77 sagehen  May 2, 2014 1:19:14pm

re: #27 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this is bullshit:

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These people need to be arrested. Period. If the sheriff won’t do it someone else needs to.

Doesn’t Nevada have a National Guard?

78 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:19:22pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

Treid them

I prefer the way dad (and his dad before him) prepared them. Italian style in a tomato sauce

Forgot you were a carpetbagger.

79 dog philosopher  May 2, 2014 1:19:48pm

chitterlings (n.)
late 13c., cheterlingis “entrails, souse” (early 13c. in surnames), origins obscure, but probably from an unrecorded Old English word having something to do with entrails (related to Old English cwið “womb;” compare German Kutteln “guts, bowels, tripe, chitterlings,” Gothic qiþus “womb”). Variants chitlins (1842) and chitlings (1880) both also had a sense of “shreds, tatters.”

80 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 1:19:52pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

They (tm) were supposed to do that, but the Hypnowald has grown too powerful.

When I grow up I want to be just like Greenwald.

Well maybe not.

Nah, I’ll just stick with the regularly scheduled senescence.

81 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:22:06pm

re: #79 dog philosopher

Yeah. Chitlins’ tend to be small pieces

The tripe i grew up eating,,,, think of the size of a medium flank steak,,,,, a bunch of those boiled down then simmered in a pasta suace

82 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 1:23:23pm

Alan Dershowitz pre-debate interview now live streaming.

83 team_fukit  May 2, 2014 1:23:49pm

this all must be that part of the “new” journalism style that GG has been incessantly talking about

84 Minor_L  May 2, 2014 1:23:54pm

Even if Greenwald weren’t so dishonest (and possibly crazy), I wouldn’t buy anything he says because all of it comes with a huge dose of hyperbole.

Whenever I see that professionally, I believe that the hyperbole is used to cover a lack of true substance. Persuasive writing can be accomplished with out all of those adjectives if the underlying argument is solid. He must feel insecure about his arguments if he needs to pepper everything with great exaggeration.

85 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 1:25:33pm

Heh. I’m listening to the new and improved Greenwald live-feed. It’s on mute. Yeah, that is so much better.

86 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:27:06pm

re: #83 team_fukit

this all must be that part of the “new” journalism style that GG has been incessantly talking about

Is that like “nouvelle cuisine”—skimpy, pompous, and overpriced?

87 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:27:56pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Is that like “nouvelle “cuisine”—skimpy, pompous, and overpriced?

And like New Coke
won’t be around long

88 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:28:22pm

Josh Rogin apparently going on the defensive for secretly recording Kerry’s “apartheid” comments.

89 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:28:39pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

And like New Coke
won’t be around long

They’ll kick you out of Atlanta for that.

90 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:30:57pm

re: #88 Gus

Josh Rogin apparently going on the defensive for secretly recording Kerry’s “apartheid” comments.

Semi-related: Dkos is really excited about this (probably) bogus story
White House: Israel Killed the Peace Talks

91 thedopefishlives  May 2, 2014 1:31:46pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

They’ll kick you out of Atlanta for that.

I visited the Coke Museum years ago during a trip to Atlanta. They have a “Coke flavors around the world” exhibit there. Some of them are epically vile.

92 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:32:04pm
93 Bulworth  May 2, 2014 1:32:16pm

Pie-zionist Overlord posted:

How many people have Hayden and Dershowitz murdered?

Ur an authoritarian-loving, croc-wearing lickspicke Ur argument=INVALD

94 Lidane  May 2, 2014 1:32:57pm
95 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:32:57pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Semi-related: Dkos is really excited about this (probably) bogus story
White House: Israel Killed the Peace Talks

Pfft. The PA killed the peace talks with their Fatah-Hamas clusterfuck. No one really cared about Kerry’s apartheid comment in Israel.

96 petesh  May 2, 2014 1:34:29pm

Rooting for injuries. Also for the ref to call foot-in-mouth violations. Do they have a sin bin?

97 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:35:00pm

re: #88 Gus

Josh Rogin apparently going on the defensive for secretly recording Kerry’s “apartheid” comments.

The biggest surprise to me is that people can just walk into a meeting of the Trilateral Commission in DC. I would have guessed they only met in Geneva and you had to have a Bilderberg password and a secret Mason handshake to get in.

98 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:35:06pm

re: #95 Gus

Pfft. The PA killed the peace talks with their Fatah-Hamas clusterfuck. No one really cared about Kerry’s apartheid comment in Israel.

Lucy
Charlie Brown
Football

I’ve seen this movie before

99 lawhawk  May 2, 2014 1:36:34pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Semi-related: Dkos is really excited about this (probably) bogus story
White House: Israel Killed the Peace Talks

A nonfactor in Israel, considering that Israel knows that peace was never going to be possible when Fatah-Hamas reconciliation was on the table and Hamas was all “let’s destroy Israel and ignore all prior deals, and oh, we’re never going to recognize Israel’s right to exist”.

Israelis are a whole lot more pragmatic and plugged into the realities on the ground than some DKoser who thinks that a peace process push by any US Administration will succeed when one side wont even recognize the right of the other to exist. And that side is the Palestinians, who comprise Hamas (and control Gaza exclusively).

100 Bubblehead II  May 2, 2014 1:36:39pm

Gen. Michael Hayden pre-debate interview now streaming

101 b_sharp  May 2, 2014 1:37:50pm
102 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:38:38pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

The biggest surprise to me is that people can just walk into a meeting of the Trilateral Commission in DC. I would have guessed they only met in Geneva and you had to have a Bilderberg password and a secret Mason handshake to get in.

Maybe it was Bring Your Daughter/Son To Work The Leaders Of The World Day!!

103 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:39:13pm

re: #92 Gus

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4-Star needs to be kicking his agent’s ass about now.

104 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:39:19pm

Damn Right I Taped Kerry’s ‘Apartheid’ Talk

If a reporter agrees that a conversation or event is off-the-record, then of course he cannot print what was said during that interchange. But the unwritten rule—the one that directly applies here—is that if a reporter enters an off-the-record event uninvited and has not agreed to the off-the-record terms, he is free to report what happens inside that event. It’s the responsibility of the event organizers to keep reporters from entering events without invitations. As long as the reporter does not misrepresent himself and does not attempt to conceal a recording device, the event is fair game. That’s the rule.

He’s not wrong.

105 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:40:37pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

Maybe it was Bring Your Daughter/Son To Work The Leaders Of The World Day!!

Never fall for that old trick, That’s just how the New World Order gets virgins for sacrifice.

106 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:40:41pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

The biggest surprise to me is that people can just walk into a meeting of the Trilateral Commission in DC. I would have guessed they only met in Geneva and you had to have a Bilderberg password and a secret Mason handshake to get in.

The Council on Foreign Relations is pretty much the DC Kiwanis Club.

107 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:43:37pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

The Council on Foreign Relations is pretty much the DC Kiwanis Club.

Dinner every third Wednesday of the month at the local Golden Corral

108 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:44:09pm
I walked over to the meeting room, walked straight to the front entrance of the room, nodded politely to the staffer at the door (she nodded back) and entered along with dozens of other people who were filing in.

Nobody ever asked me who I was.

Sounds pretty easy, they should beef up security.

109 Decatur Deb  May 2, 2014 1:44:39pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Dinner every third Wednesday of the month at the local Golden Corral

cfr.org

110 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:45:08pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

The Council on Foreign Relations is pretty much the DC Kiwanis Club.

Kiwanis club is probably harder to get into.

111 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:45:48pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

Kiwanis club is probably harder to get into.

and after the dinner at the Golden Corral, harder to get into your car!!!

112 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:47:39pm
I will admit to one ethical indiscretion in the reporting of these stories. While I was waiting for Kerry to get to the meeting, I partook of the lunch buffet and made myself a plate of pork loin, chicken, and a very nice rice pilaf.

Outrage!

113 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 1:49:03pm

re: #38 Bulworth

So, imagine my surprise when I learned that wingnut kook, David Horowitz, has a “book” called Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream, with a picture of Obama on the cover, arguing that IN FACT, the most insidious bias in our culture today is black skin privilege.

I don’t know, I just can’t even….

It’s a follow-up to Horowitz’ academic masterpiece about the privileged status of Jews in 1905 Russia.

114 Amory Blaine  May 2, 2014 1:51:16pm

The case he made in this book was very timely and was appreciated.

Finding, Framing, and Hanging Jefferson: A Lost Letter, a Remarkable Discovery, and Freedom of Speech in an Age of Terrorism

TL/DR: Free speech good, censorship bad.

115 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:51:20pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

wha,,, no Chianti!!?!?!?!

116 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:52:53pm

Horowitz is a nut.

117 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 1:55:05pm

re: #116 Gus

Horowitz is a nut.

Yep. A sad one at that too. He thinks because he got disillusioned by the left that everyone has to share his misery. I think he’d be just as nutty if he had remained a commie.

118 dog philosopher  May 2, 2014 1:55:14pm

White House: Israel Killed the Peace Talks

i wouldn’t be surprised

likud pms must avow that they want peace, they must state that they want a two state solution, they must meet with palestinian leaders, but under no circumstances can they succeed

119 Gus  May 2, 2014 1:56:59pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Yep. A sad one at that too. He thinks because he got disillusioned by the left that everyone has to share his misery. I think he’d be just as nutty if he had remained a commie.

He was far-left too. Yeesh. Even I don’t hang with those peeps. Now he’s a major wingnut.

120 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 1:57:10pm

re: #118 dog philosopher

White House: Israel Killed the Peace Talks

i wouldn’t be surprised

likud pms must avow that they want peace, they must state that they want a two state solution, they must meet with palestinian leaders, but under no circumstances must they succeed

Yup

Not when their counterparts charter calls for their destruction
Would kinda be like volunteering to live in a shark tank

121 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:57:16pm

No one seems to know how many Nigerian girls are actually missing

Estimates now up to 300

122 AntonSirius  May 2, 2014 1:58:43pm

re: #83 team_fukit

this all must be that part of the “new” journalism style that GG has been incessantly talking about

Nothing draws traffic to a new site like a lack of fresh content.

123 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 1:59:18pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

Yup

Not when their counterparts charter calls for their destruction
Would kinda be like volunteering to live in a shark tank

Israel’s demand to not be destroyed are unreasonable!
/

124 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 2:00:16pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Israel’s demand to not be destroyed are unreasonable!
/

a deal killer right there!!!

125 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:00:37pm

re: #119 Gus

He was far-left too. Yeesh. Even I don’t hang with those peeps. Now he’s a major wingnut.

Yep. Crazy. I remember him flipping his crap about Arabic being taught in schools which amused me given his hawkishness on intervention in the ME.

126 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:00:45pm
127 goddamnedfrank  May 2, 2014 2:01:26pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Damn Right I Taped Kerry’s ‘Apartheid’ Talk

He’s not wrong.

On Twitter Rogin rather deceptively overstated Kerry’s position in an attempt to sell the story.

Also, from the same day, this Tweet betrays Rogin’s true motive, self promotion.

I very much question the man’s ethics.

128 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:02:57pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Overstating is the heart of today’s news business.

129 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:04:32pm

Funny to see the 1st Amendment peeps wanting to ban a word. Apartheid.

130 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 2:06:27pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Yep. A sad one at that too. He thinks because he got disillusioned by the left that everyone has to share his misery. I think he’d be just as nutty if he had remained a commie.

Yeah. His politics were left, then right, but always completely batshit. What he really needs is professional help.

131 Killgore Trout  May 2, 2014 2:06:43pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

On Twitter Rogin rather deceptively overstated Kerry’s position in an attempt to sell the story.

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I very much question the man’s ethics.

Although opinions here varied I think he represented Kerry’s remarks well enough that we all knew what he was talking about. A lot of people that repeated the story misrepresented it but the original reporting was sound. So much of our foreign policy discussion is well rehearsed and focus group tested talking points. I Find it much more interesting and informative to hear what world leaders really talk about when cameras aren’t on.

132 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:09:17pm

re: #130 Ian G.

Yeah. His politics were left, then right, but always completely batshit. What he really needs is professional help.

Seriously. He first came to my attention when he was accusing pretty much every professor of being anti-American. What greatly annoys me about people like him who go after lefty professors is they don’t care about right wing professors doing the same crap. I heard many a story about my alma mater’s economics department and how anyone who didn’t fellow the von Mises mode of thought could expect to have their grades lessened but never a word from Horowitz about that of course.

133 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 2:10:12pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I Find it much more interesting and informative to hear what world leaders really talk about when cameras aren’t on.

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134 goddamnedfrank  May 2, 2014 2:12:07pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

On Twitter Rogin rather deceptively overstated Kerry’s position in an attempt to sell the story.

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I very much question the man’s ethics.

Note that the first Tweet is actually a correction of sorts, Rogin is making doubly sure everybody knows that the a-word referenced by Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith is Apartheid. He didn’t acknowledge the context until he was explicitly called on it. With a straight face Rogin also Tweeted every dumbshit call for Kerry’s head from idiots like Cantor & Malkin, knowing first hand that they were operating from a fundamentally dishonest position.

135 Stanley Sea  May 2, 2014 2:12:56pm

re: #92 Gus

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I read that as Pimplet James O’Keefe.

Perfect mis-read.

136 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:16:14pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

No one seems to know how many Nigerian girls are actually missing

Estimates now up to 300

We are now numb to whatever happens in Africa.

For example, speaking of Nigeria, how much attention has this gotten?

19 killed in car bomb in Nigerian capital, Abuja, days before international leaders expected

Also in bombings today:

One killed in fourth explosion to hit Egypt Friday

If guns are more your choice:

11 Ethiopian students killed in violent confrontations with police in country’s largest state

Maybe sudden deportations could grab some attention?

Republic of Congo deports nearly 60,000

We are a very aggressive and territorial species.

137 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 2:18:21pm

re: #136 freetoken

We are now numb to whatever happens in Africa

NOW!?!?!

This isn’t something new!

138 sattv4u2  May 2, 2014 2:19:42pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons!

139 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:19:55pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Apathetic we may have long been, but we’ve additionally been desensitized by a continual stream of screaming headlines without the thoughtful reflection that such stories ought to have had.

141 Patricia Kayden  May 2, 2014 2:20:16pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

Too funny!

142 wrenchwench  May 2, 2014 2:21:05pm

Photographing frogs while they have their chins inflated proves that it isn’t a refrigerated, posed frog.

143 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 2:21:15pm

re: #136 freetoken

The scary thing is, if you go with Steven Pinker’s thesis, we’re a far more civilized and peaceful species today than we’ve been through the majority of our history.

144 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:22:01pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Fox News analyst: Obama’s ‘slave mentality’ prevents him from working with Republicans

I swear is every right wing analyst a pathetic asshole?

145 goddamnedfrank  May 2, 2014 2:22:44pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Although opinions here varied I think he represented Kerry’s remarks well enough that we all knew what he was talking about. A lot of people that repeated the story misrepresented it but the original reporting was sound. So much of our foreign policy discussion is well rehearsed and focus group tested talking points. I Find it much more interesting and informative to hear what world leaders really talk about when cameras aren’t on.

My problem isn’t with the article itself, it’s with the deceptive way Rogin sold the story on Twitter. As the original reporter he shouldn’t have been selling the half-truth interpretation, or repeating without context wingnut calls for Kerry’s head based on those half-truths.

146 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:23:00pm

re: #143 Ian G.

Maybe on a per capita basis we are more “peaceful”, but with 2 orders of magnitude more people now than in antiquity the sum of the violence is greater.

147 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:23:06pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I swear is every right wing analyst a pathetic asshole?

Yes.

148 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:23:23pm

re: #147 Skip Intro

Yes.

That was a rhetorical question but damn.

149 Ian G.  May 2, 2014 2:24:32pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Seriously. He first came to my attention when he was accusing pretty much every professor of being anti-American. What greatly annoys me about people like him who go after lefty professors is they don’t care about right wing professors doing the same crap. I heard many a story about my alma mater’s economics department and how anyone who didn’t fellow the von Mises mode of thought could expect to have their grades lessened but never a word from Horowitz about that of course.

I always had to chuckle at that. It was freshman international relations where I first heard of Fukuyama and Allan Bloom and all the godfathers of neoconservatism. And in a natural resources class taught by a long-haired hippie stereotype of a professor, I first learned about Julian Simon’s theories on innovation being the best way to fight off environmental catastrophe. Simon is a hero on the libertarian right.

But to hear Horowitz tell it, there’s less open dialogue on campus than in North Korea. One wonders if he’s ever actually been on a college campus in the last half century.

150 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:25:02pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

That was a rhetorical question but damn.

Nothing rhetorical about it. Every single one of them is a complete asshole.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me on where I’ve gone wrong here.

151 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:25:55pm
152 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:26:57pm

re: #150 Skip Intro

Nothing rhetorical about it. Every single one of them is a complete asshole.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me on where I’ve gone wrong here.

No, I’m not saying you’re wrong here. I’m saying I knew the answer to that question before I asked it heh. I mean it’s like news outlets like Fox actively search for the biggest right wing assholes they can find to spew the most pathetic talking points.

153 Shiplord Kirel  May 2, 2014 2:27:40pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I swear is every right wing analyst a pathetic asshole?

Certainly. Bush was a big enough asshole, but the right has gotten drastically worse since he left office in 2009. Look at the fascist gang blocking roads and defying the authorities in Nevada. Then imagine their party in power again. (And it is their party, since radio liars and right-wing politicians everywhere have been falling over themselves in their rush to support the Bundy insurrection.)

154 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:28:31pm

McGlowan, like the rest of the tokens (and yes, I wrote “tokens”) at Fox, is a God-Talker:

McGlowan’s father was a minister and an Independent; her mother was - and still is - a Democrat. How McGlowan grew up is “pro-life, pro-dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ, self-reliancy and self-sufficiency,” she explained.

155 Romantic Heretic  May 2, 2014 2:29:04pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

sleazy litigators

i’m considering a nice pair of litigator-skin shoes

Man, those thing are hard to cure, since they’re already 3/4’s rotten by the time you shoot them.

156 dog philosopher  May 2, 2014 2:31:39pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

Yup

Not when their counterparts charter calls for their destruction
Would kinda be like volunteering to live in a shark tank

well my real point is that likud leaders, every bit as much as palestinian leaders, engage in “israeli-palestinian peace talk theater”

as for real solutions?

“lehugbox” wrote a few days ago:

If Jordan and Egypt were to accept ownership over Gaza and a negotiated area of the W-B this would all be over in a second

which is of course utterly naive since if there is one thing that a majority of israeli and american jews believe, it’s that “the 1967 borders are indefensible”

my personal suggestion is that there be two states, israel and palestine, bound together in a defense union that would allow the idf to secure the current borders

but this cannot be accepted, certainly not by likud administrations since their members will accept nothing less than the total assimilation of the west bank and the expulsion of the palestinians, and the palestinian leadership won’t accept it since they are dominated by factions that will accept nothing less than the destruction of the jewish state

but the united states demands theater, so we get theater

157 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:31:42pm
158 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:32:24pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Certainly. Bush was a big enough asshole, but the right has gotten drastically worse since he left office in 2009. Look at the fascist gang blocking roads and defying the authorities in Nevada. Then imagine their party in power again. (And it is their party, since radio liars and right-wing politicians everywhere have been falling over themselves in their rush to support the Bundy insurrection.)

Yeah I guess that’s what I mean. They just seem to grow worse and worse.

159 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:33:02pm

re: #154 freetoken

McGlowan, like the rest of the tokens (and yes, I wrote “tokens”) at Fox, is a God-Talker:

Another “I made it on my own” type conservative. That’s really fucking lame albeit typical.

160 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:33:31pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I’m not directing anything at you. It’s just that it’s hotter than hell here, and I’m TOTALLY PISSED OFF reading about these assholes every single day.

161 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:34:34pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Another “I made it on my own” type conservative. That’s really fucking lame albeit typical.

But Je$u$.

162 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:35:56pm

re: #160 Skip Intro

I’m not directing anything at you. It’s just that it’s hotter than hell here, and I’m TOTALLY PISSED OFF reading about these assholes every single day.

It’s cool. But I feel ya. I’m tired of these assholes. Tired of these assholes who think “God” condoned things like slavery, Jim Crow, internment against the Japanese Americans but think “God” will stop blessing America because more and more states are allowing gays to marry.

163 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:36:32pm

re: #161 freetoken

But Je$u$.

Yep Je$u$ is just alright by me, doo-doo-doo-doo, I don’t care.

164 dog philosopher  May 2, 2014 2:37:01pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I swear is every right wing analyst a pathetic asshole?

it’s listed in the job requirements

165 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:38:35pm

re: #164 dog philosopher

it’s listed in the job requirements

Right below the “Be hateful as possible and then cry victim when called out on it” clause right?

166 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:38:59pm

Speaking of God-Talkers, looks like Pasadena have their own variant:

Pasadena’s anti-evolution, anti-gay health director has some explaining to do

Eric Walsh may be a heck of a public health director. He’s been in charge of Pasadena’s health department since 2010, and Pasadena is generally regarded as one of Southern California’s better-run cities. His job includes overseeing restaurant inspections, and Pasadena’s restaurants seem to be doing just fine.

But he sure does have an intolerant streak.

In videos that came to light this week and that record him delivering a series of sermons, he denounces homosexuality as a sin, describes evolution as a “religion created by Satan” and says the prophet Muhammad was a Satanist. He contends that God does not recognize any second marriage following a divorce unless the first was destroyed by adultery. He’s also no big fan of plastic surgery or Disney.

[…]

Video at link.

167 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:40:02pm
168 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 2, 2014 2:40:39pm

For some reason that completely eludes me and everyone I’ve talked to about it, one of the eleventy-seven managers where I work has suddenly decided that all the garbage cans need to have a large safety label on them that says “INEDIBLE”. He’s not joking. I’m not sure he *can* joke.

This is an office-like environment. We don’t deal with anything that someone might mistake for food. There have not been any instances of people eating things they shouldn’t from office garbage cans.

I know I should give up on trying to understand these things, but curiosity is a powerful emotion.

169 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:41:32pm

re: #166 freetoken

Speaking of God-Talkers, looks like Pasadena have their own variant:

Pasadena’s anti-evolution, anti-gay health director has some explaining to do

In videos that came to light this week and that record him delivering a series of sermons, he denounces homosexuality as a sin, describes evolution as a “religion created by Satan” and says the prophet Muhammad was a Satanist. He contends that God does not recognize any second marriage following a divorce unless the first was destroyed by adultery. He’s also no big fan of plastic surgery or Disney.

How nice. Another total asshole who just wants to share.

170 prairiefire  May 2, 2014 2:41:47pm

Greetings from the Mo. State Daughters Of The American Revolution convention, of which I am a voting delegate!

171 GeneJockey  May 2, 2014 2:41:58pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Right below the “Be hateful as possible and then cry victim when called out on it” clause right?

Well, obviously Chico Marx was right - there ain’t no Sanity Clause.

172 freetoken  May 2, 2014 2:43:54pm

re: #169 Skip Intro

How nice. Another total asshole who just wants to share.

Here’s a link that has three of his Youtube videos:

pasadenastarnews.com

Doesn’t like Catholics, either, apparently.

173 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:44:49pm

re: #172 freetoken

Here’s a link that has three of his Youtube videos:

pasadenastarnews.com

Doesn’t like Catholics, either, apparently.

Now here I thought he would be Catholic with his views on marriage and a name like Walsh.

174 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:46:06pm

Hey, how about this guy for Pinellas County Commission, Seat 4?

Macho Liberti Campaign Kickoff

Join Macho to celebrate the kickoff of his campaign for Pinellas County Commission, Seat 4.

The event will begin at 6:30-8:00pm and will be held at Tiffany’s Family Restaurant, 35000 US Highway 19 N, Palm Harbor, FL 34684.

Appetizers will be provided and a cash bar will be available.

Please bring any questions you have for the candidate as he will be discussing various county issues.

Hope to see you there!

Political advertisement paid for and approved by Macho Liberti, Republican, for Pinellas County Commission, District 4.

Looks like a, uh, nice guy.

175 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:46:44pm

re: #170 prairiefire

Greetings from the Mo. State Daughters Of The American Revolution convention, of which I am a voting delegate!

Have fun! :D

176 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:47:27pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

Hey, how about this guy for Pinellas County Commission, Seat 4?

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Looks like a, uh, nice guy.

That is the coolest candidate name so far though.

177 Gus  May 2, 2014 2:48:44pm
178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  May 2, 2014 2:50:29pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

“Macho Liberti” sounds like an excellent stage name for a drag queen.

179 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:51:19pm

re: #178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Macho Liberti” sounds like an excellent stage name for a drag queen.

I thought pro wrestler myself.

180 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 2:51:55pm

re: #167 Gus

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Fun Fact: When my father was young, he was a stand-in for Gregory Peck (back in 1950 or ‘51).

Pretty cool.

181 Skip Intro  May 2, 2014 2:52:00pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

That is the coolest candidate name so far though.

Can’t find anything he stands for, so he’s good so far.

Like to see him in the ring with FemNazi. That would be cool.

182 Stanley Sea  May 2, 2014 2:53:52pm

re: #178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Macho Liberti” sounds like an excellent stage name for a drag queen.

Lucha Libre

183 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:54:13pm

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Fun Fact: When my father was young, he was a stand-in for Gregory Peck (back in 1950 or ‘51).

Pretty cool.

How was he? Saw a documentary that his daughter did a few years before he died and Peck always seemed like a real class act. Definitely one of my favorite of the old time actors. My own fun fact- my grandfather was in a fraternity with Gene Kelly at the University of Pittsburgh. Even read stories about Kelly later acting as a sort of arbitrator between actors and the studio execs which is funny since my grandfather worked for the NLRB for years.

184 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2014 2:54:47pm

re: #178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“Macho Liberti” sounds like an excellent stage name for a drag queen.

Or a Mexican wrestler.

First time using the new LGF on my tablet, working so much better. Flight is running a bit late, I got to airport early, so lots of time to kill. Think I’ll go wandering around a while

RBS

185 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:55:44pm

re: #184 RealityBasedSteve

Or a Mexican wrestler.

First time using the new LGF on my tablet, working so much better. Flight is running a bit late, I got to airport early, so lots of time to kill. Think I’ll go wandering around a while

RBS

It’s gotta be Happy Hour there right about I imagine. Have a safe flight.

186 prairiefire  May 2, 2014 2:56:35pm

An interesting development with DAR, accepting new members based on DNA. This will allow ladies of color who don’t have the traditional paper trail of documents to become members. Calling all descendants of Sally Hemmings!

187 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 2:57:24pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

How was he? Saw a documentary that his daughter did a few years before he died and Peck always seemed like a real class act. Definitely one of my favorite of the old time actors. My own fun fact- my grandfather was in a fraternity with Gene Kelly at the University of Pittsburgh. Even read stories about Kelly later acting as a sort of arbitrator between actors and the studio execs which is funny since my grandfather worked for the NLRB for years.

My dad said Mr. Peck was a great guy - very classy. Also, according to him, so was Cary Grant.

I had to think…..he was a stand-in for Mr. Peck in the film The Gunfighter.

188 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:57:36pm

re: #186 prairiefire

An interesting development with DAR, accepting new members based on DNA. This will allow ladies of color who don’t have the traditional paper trail of documents to become members. Calling all descendants of Sally Hemmings!

That’s good to hear knowing the DAR’s history. Don’t think anyone in my family is getting into DAR anytime soon. We’re total {relative} noobs.

189 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 2:59:45pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

My dad said Mr. Peck was a great guy - very classy. Also, according to him, so was Cary Grant.

I had to think…..he was a stand-in for Mr. Peck in the film The Gunfighter.

Way cool. Not surprised that both of those guys were great guys. Peck struck me as someone who although he was a widely respected actor wasn’t afraid to ne a regular guy. Story I read about Boys From Brazil is that he signed on after finding out his friends Larry and Jimmy had signed on. Referring to Laurence Oliver and james Mason.

190 sagehen  May 2, 2014 3:03:55pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

My dad said Mr. Peck was a great guy - very classy. Also, according to him, so was Cary Grant.

I had to think…..he was a stand-in for Mr. Peck in the film The Gunfighter.

I met Cary Grant once, at Hollywood Park Racetrack. In the late 70’s, I was a college student, he was without question the HOTTEST old guy ever in history. I’d have done him.

191 Dr Lizardo  May 2, 2014 3:06:11pm

re: #190 sagehen

I met Cary Grant once, at Hollywood Park Racetrack. In the late 70’s, I was a college student, he was without question the HOTTEST old guy ever in history. I’d have done him.

A few years ago, I was teaching an English class here and one of my students - she was 23 - said, “Sean Connery gets me hot.”

So I guess there’s hope for me yet….now if I can just down that Scottish brogue. :)

192 prairiefire  May 2, 2014 3:06:15pm

re: #190 sagehen

Absotootly!

193 calochortus  May 2, 2014 3:08:19pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

That’s good to hear knowing the DAR’s history. Don’t think anyone in my family is getting into DAR anytime soon. We’re total {relative} noobs.

Yeah, half my family is a bunch of noobs (grandparents immigrated) and the other half may or may not have been hanging around since 1620. Certainly since sometime in that decade. No one seems to have covered themselves with glory in the meantime, but I do have at least one Revolutionary War ancestor. Which kind of surprised me.

194 Mattand  May 2, 2014 3:08:44pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Certainly. Bush was a big enough asshole, but the right has gotten drastically worse since he left office in 2009. Look at the fascist gang blocking roads and defying the authorities in Nevada. Then imagine their party in power again. (And it is their party, since radio liars and right-wing politicians everywhere have been falling over themselves in their rush to support the Bundy insurrection.)

The bolded, a thousand times over.

The GOP is possibly damaged beyond repair at this point. It still pains me to some fairly intelligent people here still maintain affiliation with them, often with the attitude of “Gosh, I wish I could do something about it.”

You can. Stop supporting a political party that is becoming a fucking incubator for right wing terrorism. And let’s be blunt: the situation in Bunkerville, NV has been encouraged by the Republican Party, mainly through the Tea Baggers that run the show.

If you can live with that, you really need reexamine your political ideologies.

195 ObserverArt  May 2, 2014 3:11:32pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

No one seems to know how many Nigerian girls are actually missing

Estimates now up to 300

Did you catch the reports on MSNBC?

196 HappyWarrior  May 2, 2014 3:14:06pm

re: #193 calochortus

Yeah, half my family is a bunch of noobs (grandparents immigrated) and the other half may or may not have been hanging around since 1620. Certainly since sometime in that decade. No one seems to have covered themselves with glory in the meantime, but I do have at least one Revolutionary War ancestor. Which kind of surprised me.

Not sure when our first was either. Know the latest though was in the early 20’s between 20 and 23.

197 calochortus  May 2, 2014 3:20:51pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Not sure when our first was either. Know the latest though was in the early 20’s between 20 and 23.

OK, you’re newer than me, then. My grandparents went to Canada in the 1890s and came to the US around 1902 or 03.
Enjoy the shiny freshness of your American-ness!

198 Romantic Heretic  May 2, 2014 3:22:33pm

re: #177 Gus

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Our GO Transit uses those. They are lovely to ride in.

199 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:27:35pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

Although opinions here varied I think he represented Kerry’s remarks well enough that we all knew what he was talking about. A lot of people that repeated the story misrepresented it but the original reporting was sound. So much of our foreign policy discussion is well rehearsed and focus group tested talking points. I Find it much more interesting and informative to hear what world leaders really talk about when cameras aren’t on.

Again, what he said was what Israeli prime ministers have said. You buffoonishly fantasizing about how it means the US dems are going to be turning away from Israel was pants-on-head stupid.

200 EPR-radar  May 2, 2014 3:48:16pm

re: #194 Mattand

The bolded, a thousand times over.

The GOP is possibly damaged beyond repair at this point. It still pains me to some fairly intelligent people here still maintain affiliation with them, often with the attitude of “Gosh, I wish I could do something about it.”

You can. Stop supporting a political party that is becoming a fucking incubator for right wing terrorism. And let’s be blunt: the situation in Bunkerville, NV has been encouraged by the Republican Party, mainly through the Tea Baggers that run the show.

If you can live with that, you really need reexamine your political ideologies.

All the updings. This business of people who are not themselves insane and/or bigoted supporting this sorry excuse for a political party because the Democrats are somehow worse is getting very hard to justify.


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