NAACP Releases Statement on Spokane President Rachel Dolezal

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Well, right wing loons are all over social media today ranting about Spokane NAACP chapter president Rachel Dolezal, who has reportedly been falsely claiming to be African American. You can imagine the kind of demented derpage they’re spewing, I’m sure.

The NAACP has released the following statement about Ms Dolezal:

Baltimore, MD - For 106 years, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has held a long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds. NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership. The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal’s advocacy record. In every corner of this country, the NAACP remains committed to securing political, educational, and economic justice for all people, and we encourage Americans of all stripes to become members and serve as leaders in our organization.

Hate language sent through mail and social media along with credible threats continue to be a serious issue for our units in the Pacific Northwest and across the nation. We take all threats seriously and encourage the FBI and the Department of Justice to fully investigate each occurrence.

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1 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:05:10am

Ben Shapiro is taking advantage of Chucky’s banishment to go for the title of MOST OBNOXIOUS DOUCHEBASKET ON TEH TWITTERS.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 11:05:40am

Kind of blows up the right wing narrative when the black people are acting like the adults in the room.

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 11:06:02am

re: #1 Lord Of The Pies

Ben Shapiro is taking advantage of Chucky’s banishment to go for the title of MOST OBNOXIOUS DOUCHEBASKET ON TEH TWITTERS.

Wouldn’t he have to beat Nick Searcy first?

4 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:06:16am

Did she actually claim she was a WOC when she applied for the job, or publicly after she got the job?

edit:

Or is the RW trying to tell us that only POC can work for the NAACP?

5 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:06:44am
6 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 11:09:40am

re: #4 b_sharp

Did she actually claim she was a WOC when she applied for the job, or publicly after she got the job?

I’m not sure they could legally ask he that on an application. I really haven’t been following this story, so I’m not up on the details except for the fact that the RWNJs went right for the racism.

7 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 11:10:19am
8 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 11:11:12am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

9 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 11:14:24am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

Fake

The original is from here:
Image: 120419_POL_MegynKellyEX.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

10 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 11:15:13am

Final analysis: Nothingburger for the reality-based; monkey poo-flinging time for RWNJ’s.

11 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 11:15:47am
12 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 11:16:01am

re: #9 Timothy Watson

BAH!

13 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:16:54am

re: #12 Kragar

BAH!

Killed the schadenfreude didn’t it?

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 11:17:16am

re: #13 b_sharp

Killed the schadenfreude didn’t it?

The funny thing is on Fox you never really know.

15 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 11:18:36am

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

The funny thing is on Fox you never really know.

Or expect competence.

16 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:19:55am

Seems like the left isn’t really better than the right in what concerns spreading fakes.

17 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:20:09am

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

The funny thing is on Fox you never really know.

They are a POE of themselves.

18 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 11:20:51am
19 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:21:04am

re: #16 Nyet

Seems like the left isn’t really better than the right in what concerns spreading fakes.

Sometimes.

They do tend to acknowledge & remove fake memes more willingly, though.

20 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:21:41am

re: #19 b_sharp

Sometimes.

They do tend to acknowledge & remove fake memes more willingly, though.

I thought someone would say that.
If that is a consolation to anyone, so be it.

21 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:23:30am

re: #20 Nyet

I thought someone would say that.
If that is a consolation to anyone, so be it.

So recognizing an error and correcting it doesn’t make a difference?

22 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 11:23:57am

re: #18 Eric The Fruit Bat

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23 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 11:24:33am

re: #21 b_sharp

So recognizing an error and correcting it doesn’t make a difference?

Not to someone who’s trying to create an imaginary balance between the left and right.

24 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:24:59am

re: #21 b_sharp

So recognizing an error and correcting it doesn’t make a difference?

I didn’t say that.
Also, I don’t have any stats that would support it.

25 Mike Lamb  Jun 12, 2015 11:25:18am

This is a weird story for sure. However, right wingers seem to think it’s the “National Association of Colored People” and that they hang up a “No Whiteys” on the front window. That second “A” is pretty important.

26 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:26:49am

So she “passed” why is that such a big deal?

Mark Twain addressed this issue in “Pudd’nhead Wilson” published 120 years ago, about a pair of infants who are switched at birth, one raised as black, the other raised as white.

Twain focused his story on the black man raised as white, because it was a scenario more familiar to him, and glossed over the situation of the white man raised as black, maybe because it was too horrific to contemplate.

27 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:27:32am

re: #23 No Country For Old Haters

Not to someone who’s trying to create an imaginary balance between the left and right.

Everybody knows the lefty fakes are accurate, unlike those other, righty ones.

28 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 11:28:24am

The right wing just freaks out on anything having to do with race.

It’s like they have some sort of problem.

29 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:29:33am

re: #24 Nyet

I didn’t say that.
Also, I don’t have any stats that would support it.

Well then, what did you say?

And you’re right, I don’t have any stats to support it either, just anecdotal information.

However, I’m pretty sure I can find a study or two that shows the RWNJs are more likely to double down on fake information if it matches their beliefs.

30 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:29:57am

*cue in the “but I wouldn’t be surprised if they really said it” defense*

31 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 11:30:40am

So, I see house Democrats killed TPP.

32 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:31:33am

re: #29 b_sharp

Well then, what did you say?

This:

Seems like the left isn’t really better than the right in what concerns spreading fakes.

They may or may not differ in the aftermath; as I said, I wouldn’t know.

33 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 11:34:09am

I dont know, but it seems like there has been a rash of fake images/FB posts etc… posted here on LGF lately. Now granted these were mostly taken off twitter from other people but, please people…let’s try to be more careful.

I know I depend on LGF for the truth and I hate to see stuff like this here.

34 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 11:34:16am

re: #31 The War TARDIS

So, I see house Democrats killed TPP.

It’s complex. But no, not really. At least, not yet.

TPA actually passed, what got voted down was TAA. Which it sounds like they are voting on again on Tuesday. Both sections are needed for the package to reach Obama.

Incidentally, TAA is the section that has aid to workers displaced by trade.

35 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:35:14am

re: #33 blueraven

I dont know, but it seems like there has been a rash of fake images/FB posts etc…

Yes. LGF is one of the saner places on the web, and if I’m exaggerating a bit by saying it has become an almost daily occurrence, then not by much. Don’t want to think what happens in less sane places.

36 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 11:37:40am

re: #35 Nyet

That is why I look for at least two reliable sources for information. The problem is sometimes you cannot find even one source.

37 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 11:38:41am

re: #31 The War TARDIS

So, I see house Democrats killed TPP.

Doctors Without Borders is against it. MoveOn is against it. Although the official text is still yet to be released, some of the things that have leaked about the treaty are disturbing to me.

38 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:39:39am

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

That is why I look for at least two reliable sources for information. The problem is sometimes you cannot find even one source.

Tineye is more reliable than Google image search when it comes to tracking down the first instance of an image.

39 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:40:36am

re: #38 Lord Of The Pies

And Bing is better for searching for videos, IMHO.

40 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 11:40:36am

There’s something pretty creepy about what Rachel Dolezal’s parents are doing. Obviously there’s some history of dysfunction here, but it takes real animus for them to bring this to the media and publicly embarrass their own daughter.

41 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 11:40:45am

re: #38 Lord Of The Pies

Thanks. I usually go to The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times.

42 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 11:42:47am

I don’t even understand the motivation for this Megyn Kelly-Christopher Lee fake post. It is so petty.

There is plenty enough really bad stuff to call out on FOX that is true.

43 Romantic Heretic  Jun 12, 2015 11:44:49am

re: #31 The War TARDIS

So, I see house Democrats killed TPP.

Good for them.

44 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 11:46:19am

From the schadenfreude files, we have this gem dailykos.com

I think it’s very dangerous and wrong to allow a group of very strong, well-financed individuals who have no accountability to anyone to have control over who gets access to the data when, why and how,” said Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff.

One might reasonably wonder what on Earth could cause the RNC chief of staff to say something like this. The answer is simple. The Koch brothers may very well make the RNC completely irrelevant in their quest to own all branches of Federal government.

Thus Katie Walsh may soon be out of a job. As usual, Republicans are incapable of appreciating an issue unless it personally affects them.

45 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 11:46:34am

And speaking of animus, the psychos from the stalker blog really went batshit last night on Twitter, after I exchanged a couple of tweets with Oliver Willis.

Anyone who’s on Twitter will want to block this lunatic: @Barbie_Sandwich. I’m pretty sure this is the stalker who’s been suspended multiple times with the names @Gus_807 and variations on @BRCX5. Right now he’s only tweeting hatred at me occasionally because he’s trying to avoid getting suspended again, but he’ll undoubtedly get worse and worse before long. They can’t help themselves.

46 team_fukit  Jun 12, 2015 11:47:55am

The second President of the NAACP (1930), Joel Elias Spingarn, also one of it’s founding members and first chairmen.

Rabbi Stephen Wise and Julius Rosenwald were also founding members.

All whites, but most American standards

47 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 11:48:59am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

There’s something pretty creepy about what Rachel Dolezal’s parents are doing. Obviously there’s some history of dysfunction here, but it takes real animus for them to bring this to the media and publicly embarrass their own daughter.

The only thing I can think of, that could be half way acceptable for them to do this, is if she has been spiraling into some mental disorder and they have tried to encourage her to get help to no avail. In other words, pure desperation.

As a mother of two in their early 20’s, nothing else makes sense to me.

48 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:49:38am

LOL

49 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 11:51:06am

re: #47 blueraven

Or a toxic type personality like my kid sister. :(

50 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 11:51:47am

Family drama played out on a national stage is creepy and makes me feel bad.

51 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 11:52:29am

re: #43 Romantic Heretic

Good for them.

No, only the retraining package. Fast track itself passed and you can bet the White House will push ahead with TPP to the detriment of the US economy.

52 Three Chord Monty  Jun 12, 2015 11:52:56am

I don’t see her position at NAACP as being much of an issue. But she’s a police ombudsman, which might raise an ethical question.

53 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 11:55:48am

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s complex. But no, not really. At least, not yet.

TPA actually passed, what got voted down was TAA. Which it sounds like they are voting on again on Tuesday. Both sections are needed for the package to reach Obama.

Incidentally, TAA is the section that has aid to workers displaced by trade.

This is a real threat to enactment of TPA. Because TAA tries to help workers, it will be hard for it to get Republican votes (even if such votes are essential for getting TPA to POTUS for signature).

Thus many more (D) votes will be needed for TAA than for TPA. Somewhat paradoxically, Trumka of the AFL-CIO has come out against TAA because it is the best shot at killing the TPA.

54 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 11:56:40am

re: #52 Three Chord Monty

I don’t see her position at NAACP as being much of an issue. But she’s a police ombudsman, which might raise an ethical question.

She reported hate mail found in her mailbox which was not put there by the USPS and the only people with access to that mailbox were the USPS and her.

55 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 11:57:03am

re: #51 William Lewis

No, only the retraining package. Fast track itself passed and you can bet the White House will push ahead with TPP to the detriment of the US economy.

Apparently TPA and TAA are tightly linked by a prior rules vote, such that both go to Obama for signature or neither one does.

56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 11:57:44am

re: #51 William Lewis

No, only the retraining package. Fast track itself passed and you can bet the White House will push ahead with TPP to the detriment of the US economy.

How many times have we been promised that displaced workers will be retrained? How well has that worked out? If they have to attach a promise to retrain workers to a trade agreement then you can be certain that trade agreement will fuck over American workers.

57 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 11:57:48am

re: #55 EPR-radar

Apparently TPA and TAA are tightly linked by a prior rules vote, such that both go to Obama for signature or neither one does.

Hadn’t heard about that. Good news then.

58 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 11:58:32am

This is not relevant, but slightly on topic. The local MEChA chapter had one white guy who held every office except President, which he politely declined, and one Hispanic guy who quit because of the white (and black) members. Nobody missed him.

59 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 12:00:55pm

re: #31 The War TARDIS

Nope-just delayed it.

60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 12, 2015 12:01:15pm

Chuckie is probably sitting in a dark corner rocking back and forth looking at his phone and repeating “Precious” after a complete melt down over not being on Twitter to go after this girl.

61 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 12:02:20pm

re: #56 Higgs Boson’s Mate

How many times have we been promised that displaced workers will be retrained? How well has that worked out? If they have to attach a promise to retrain workers to a trade agreement then you can be certain that trade agreement will fuck over American workers.

It looks like people have (finally) noticed that bit of bait and switch.dailykos.com

The House Friday afternoon approved fast-track legislation, known as Trade Promotion Authority, by a vote of 219-211. That produced cheers from the floor, but there’s a hitch. And unless it’s fixed, TPA won’t reach the president’s desk.

The TPA vote followed a vote to reject the Trade Adjustment Assistance bill by 126-302. The TAA legislation would have funded retraining workers displaced by trade pacts. Democrats who normally would have voted for such legislation voted heavily against it as part of a tactic to block TPA. Under a procedural rule passed Thursday, if TAA failed, TPA could not be sent to the president. Originally, in fact, the plan was not to hold a vote on TPA at all if TAA failed. But Republican leaders changed their minds after the parliamentarian reportedly informed them that the TPA vote was okay as long as TAA would be reconsidered.

Thus the vote on TAA was 126-302 against. Hopefully arm twisting by Obama (and Pelosi?) will not suffice to reverse this outcome in the next few days.

62 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 12:02:33pm

re: #56 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ok, here’s the other thing though. Without The economic links, nations may side with China. Making them much harder to contain.

63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 12:04:30pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Kind of blows up the right wing narrative when the black people are acting like the adults in the room.

No, it is touted as proof of librul hypocrisy.

64 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 12:05:10pm

Just stopped by for a glance before moving some stuff into position to be able to reach some of the staircase area I am staining.

I see there is some discussion of fake images and what political side are most responsible.

Does this concern carry to Photoshopped images making fun of some political stupidity? I wouldn’t think so, but just wondering. As you know, I like to do them from time to time.

I can understand the concern of someone posting a fake image and passing it off as a real occurrence, such as the image that started this conversation.

I try to always go a bit (or a lot) over the top so that it is more obvious it is a fake. But sometimes it is nice to be sly about it. Also, if someone gets a reputation like Gus or hopefully I have at a place like LGF, then I think you can get away with more due to that familiarity.

Reality can be such a bore.

65 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 12:08:34pm

re: #62 The War TARDIS

Ok, here’s the other thing though. Without The economic links, nations may side with China. Making them much harder to contain.

I find the notion of containing any modern industrialized nation a bit quaint. We can contend with China (If we ever get out of the ME swamp), we should even try to cooperate with China on some things. Containing China is out of the question. Consider China’s diplomatic and economic initiatives in the Third World, the TPP isn’t going to stop that.

66 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:09:05pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

There has already been at least one case when a parody meme was then spread as a true quote.

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 12:09:25pm

The root of this RW outrage is obviously that she “betrayed” her race, like Bruce Jenner “betrayed” his manhood.

Their reaction is a visceral “Eeuw! How could anybody do that!” and they refuse to believe that everyone else does not share their sense of elementary disgust, and if they don’t, they must be some sort of twisted hypocrites.

68 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:09:28pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Does this concern carry to Photoshopped images making fun of some political stupidity? I wouldn’t think so, but just wondering. As you know, I like to do them from time to time.

No, not to me. Unless there is a supposed direct quote that is false or something like that.
I am fine with what you do.

69 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:10:06pm

A couple of butthurt downdings, I see.

70 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 12:11:16pm

Regarding this statement: “The same day her parents were interviewed, Rachel Dolezal told KREM 2 News that she does not speak to her parents because of an on-going legal issue.

“There is a lawsuit that’s been going on for almost a year, once I supported my sister and allegations against her older brother,” said Rachel.”

So, first I checked in Idaho where it appears she spent some time from 2009 to 2013, according to the traffic tickets she racked up and debts incurred. idcourts.us

But I see no lawsuit involving her parents.

She also was a defendant in several WA counties in 9 cases, but none involved her parents: dw.courts.wa.gov

Perhaps she’s lying about this, also.

71 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:11:30pm

re: #69 Nyet

Whine about downdings, earn a downding.

72 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 12:11:30pm

re: #48 Lord Of The Pies

Ben and Milo in a bromance. What will his wife Mor say?

73 Three Chord Monty  Jun 12, 2015 12:11:39pm

re: #54 Lord Of The Pies

She reported hate mail found in her mailbox which was not put there by the USPS and the only people with access to that mailbox were the USPS and her.

I don’t see her background as being relevant to her position with NAACP, or EWU for that matter. I do see her background as being relevant if she claimed something that is not true on her application to chair the ombudsman commission with SPD.

Meanwhile, an inquiry is being opened at Spokane City Hall, where Dolezal identified herself in her application to the Office of Police Ombudsman Commission as having several ethnic origins, including white, black and American Indian.

“We are gathering facts to determine if any city policies related to volunteer boards and commissions have been violated,” Mayor David Condon and Council President Ben Stuckart said in a joint statement. “That information will be reviewed by the City Council, which has oversight of city boards and commissions.”

Dolezal was appointed to the oversight board by Condon.

Stuckart said the council will meet soon to discuss the developments and that he didn’t want to speak for the group until then. “But if this is true I’ll be very disappointed,” he said Thursday morning.

spokesman.com

74 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 12:12:02pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Just stopped by for a glance before moving some stuff into position to be able to reach some of the staircase area I am staining.

I see there is some discussion of fake images and what political side are most responsible.

Does this concern carry to Photoshopped images making fun of some political stupidity? I wouldn’t think so, but just wondering. As you know, I like to do them from time to time.

I can understand the concern of someone posting a fake image and passing it off as a real occurrence, such as the image that started this conversation.

I try to always go a bit (or a lot) over the top so that it is more obvious it is a fake. But sometimes it is nice to be sly about it. Also, if someone gets a reputation like Gus or hopefully I have at a place like LGF, then I think you can get away with more due to that familiarity.

Reality can be such a bore.

If you photoshop a news photo you have to be obvious that you’re making fun of the original photo which falls within the fair use of “parody” and you’re not trying to pass off a fake image as the real one.

There are two fake images that are viral right now, one is a Photoshop of Michelle Obama wearing a dress that has a clenched fist, and another image of a guy in women’s underwear giving a nazi salute, alleged to be Scott Walker.

75 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 12:13:00pm

re: #66 Nyet

There has already been at least one case when a parody meme was then spread as a true quote.

This one that I found this morning?

76 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:13:59pm

re: #71 No Country For Old Haters

You too :)

77 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 12:14:23pm

re: #65 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I find the notion of containing any modern industrialized nation a bit quaint. We can contend with China (If we ever get out of the ME swamp), we should even try to cooperate with China on some things. Containing China is out of the question. Consider China’s diplomatic and economic initiatives in the Third World, the TPP isn’t going to stop that.

So, you are ok with erosion of human rights worldwide through Chinese imtimidation? Or with the persecution of Uyghurs?

Because I am not. They are not friendly, you saw that from the hack.

78 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 12:14:35pm

re: #16 Nyet

Seems like the left isn’t really better than the right in what concerns spreading fakes.

What’s your data set?

79 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:15:28pm

re: #78 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

What’s your data set?

Recent personal observations on twitter, facebook and, of course, LGF.

80 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:16:29pm

re: #76 Nyet

You too :)

I didn’t whine about downdings, though I once did in another thread, and earned my downdings just like you did today.

Something seems to be up with you today. From MBF nonsense to whining about downdings.

81 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 12:17:14pm

re: #79 Nyet

Recent personal observations on twitter, facebook and, of course, LGF.

My personal experience is that if I correct a fake quote or a fake photo on #UniteBlue, they’re like “Thanks for letting me know! I’ll remove that from my Twitter feed!” but if you correct a wingnut they just double down.

82 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 12, 2015 12:17:31pm

The important thing is to figure out how this lady lying demonstrates that black people fucked up and are the real racists.

Derp.

83 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 12:17:49pm

re: #77 The War TARDIS

What I was saying is what I said. No more, no less. We are not going to contain China with a trade treaty. We can cooperate with them on energy matters, for one thing. Period. Full stop.

84 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:17:58pm

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

I didn’t whine about downdings,

Well, I didn’t whine about them either, but you got all butthurt about an innocent comment.

85 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:18:51pm

re: #84 Nyet

Well, I didn’t whine about them either, but you got all butthurt about an innocent comment.

And more of this “butthurt” derp. You seem to have lost about 30 IQ points recently.

86 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 12:19:08pm

HURR HURR RACHEL DOLEZAL!!!!! is now going to replace HURR HURR AL SHARPTON!!!!1!! as the one-size-fits-all response to any instance of racism, anywhere.

87 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:19:32pm

re: #85 No Country For Old Haters

And more of this “butthurt” derp. You seem to have lost about 30 IQ points recently.

Must’ve been infected by you.

PS: Need a butthurt salve? ;)

88 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:19:44pm

re: #78 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

What’s your data set?

I think because we have a Democrat (and a black Muslim one at that!! //) as President, there is probably more fake stuff coming from The Right at present, but I see an awful lot of fake stuff from The Left too. Purely anecdotal on my part.

89 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 12:20:32pm

re: #88 blueraven

Politics doesn’t rule fakery.

90 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:20:43pm

re: #87 Nyet

Must’ve been infected by you.

PS: Need a butthurt salve? ;)

Just admit that you’re being an idiot today instead of continuing to dig.

91 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:21:21pm

re: #90 No Country For Old Haters

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92 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 12:21:41pm

For fuck’s sake, guys, really? Get your own thread.

93 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:21:42pm

re: #88 blueraven

I think because we have a Democrat (and a black Muslim one at that!! //) as President, there is probably more fake stuff coming from The Right at present, but I see an awful lot of fake stuff from The Left too. Purely anecdotal on my part.

I see some fake stuff from the left, but not the deluge that wingnuts create. There just aren’t nearly as many insane people on the left, and there’s no left-wing fake-news industry.

94 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 12:22:14pm

Both you two need to go chill for awhile, m’kay? Thanks.

95 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:22:33pm

re: #91 Nyet

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You’re seriously just as bad as a wingnut today. Fix whatever went wrong with you.

96 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:23:13pm

re: #95 No Country For Old Haters

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97 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:23:29pm

re: #93 No Country For Old Haters

I see some fake stuff from the left, but not the deluge that wingnuts create. There just aren’t nearly as many insane people on the left, and there’s no left-wing fake-news industry.

Huh? The Onion?

98 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 12:23:55pm
99 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 12:24:42pm

Had a great time at the pre-K graduation today. The Munchkin was clear in his little speech and had great projection, a crowd fav. They all had to say and spell their name, give their date of birth and list their favorite things to do. One darling little girl got complete stage fright. Much applause to them all.

It was adorable, they were adorable in their little caps and gowns, and Dad made a video of it and took stills.

100 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 12:24:42pm

re: #98 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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101 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:25:22pm

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102 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:26:06pm

re: #97 blueraven

Huh? The Onion?

LOL, but the Onion is fake-news for satire, not like Fox or Breitbart.

103 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 12:27:08pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

There is a mess on top. Take it away.
104 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 12:27:21pm

re: #79 Nyet

Recent personal observations on twitter, facebook and, of course, LGF.

That’s a really poor data set to use to make a statement of ‘just as bad’. All you can say from that data set is ‘it happens on the left, too’.

105 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:28:18pm

re: #104 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

That’s a really poor data set to use to make a statement of ‘just as bad’. All you can say from that data set is ‘it happens on the left, too’.

It is OK as long as it is subjectivized with “seems”.

106 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 12, 2015 12:31:46pm

Does stuff like Benghazi, Jade Helm, and Whitewater count as “right wing fake stuff?”

Because it seems to me the measure of derp distribution is who actually manages to take it to the floor of a government institution.

107 jaunte  Jun 12, 2015 12:33:09pm

re: #48 Lord Of The Pies

LOL

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I wonder if Ben was poisonous as a kid or if it was a later career choice.

108 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:33:56pm

re: #107 jaunte

I wonder if Ben was poisonous as a kid or if it was a later career choice.

When I look at him I still see a kid, so I’m going to say yes.

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 12:34:22pm

re: #107 jaunte

I wonder if Ben was poisonous as a kid or if it was a later career choice.

These are personality traits that can all be traced to early childhood traumas.

110 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:36:03pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

Does stuff like Benghazi, Jade Helm, and Whitewater count as “right wing fake stuff?”

Because it seems to me the measure of derp distribution is who actually manages to take it to the floor of a government institution.

Yes, since the fake images and quotes feed into that, but maybe not in the context of just counting fake-image memes from the left and right.

I’d be really surprised if there isn’t at least a difference of an order of magnitude. I see so many fake tweets from wingnuts every day.

111 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:36:36pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

Does stuff like Benghazi, Jade Helm, and Whitewater count as “right wing fake stuff?”

Because it seems to me the measure of derp distribution is who actually manages to take it to the floor of a government institution.

In the big stuff the right are uncontested champions.

The Iraqi WMDs alone are worth all the things you listed there.

(In the immediate context it was clear I was talking about fake quotes and screenshots on the web, and I stand by it. :)

112 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 12:36:53pm

re: #103 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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113 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 12:37:45pm

re: #105 Nyet

It is OK as long as it is subjectivized with “seems”.

Okay, but then it’s not really useful in any way, except perhaps to poke at people and aggravate them.

114 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:38:05pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

That cat looks really tough for a cute cat.

115 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:38:30pm

re: #113 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Okay, but then it’s not really useful in any way, except perhaps to poke at people and aggravate them.

He’s just having a bad day. We’ve had them too.

116 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:40:08pm

re: #115 No Country For Old Haters

He’s just having a bad day. We’ve had them too.

He is stating his opinion and observations, as he has a right to. That is what is cool about LGF.

117 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:40:33pm

re: #116 blueraven

He is stating his opinion and observations, as he has a right to. That is what is cool about LGF.

But also being wrong and being a dick about it.

118 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:40:44pm

re: #113 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Okay, but then it’s not really useful in any way, except perhaps to poke at people and aggravate them.

The first 4 or 5 times I saw it happening here recently I either didn’t write anything or gave a useful advice: go against your bias. Well…

119 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:41:14pm

re: #117 No Country For Old Haters

But also being wrong and being a dick about it.

Doctor…

120 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:41:29pm

re: #117 No Country For Old Haters

But also being wrong and being a dick about it.

OK. Whatever.

121 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 12:41:50pm

This is just an out and out lie, posted on the NAACP twitter acct.

Spokane NAACP
January 13 *
President Dolezal’s father announced today that he will be coming to town for the January 19th ribbon-cutting ceremony for the NAACP office (25 W Main, Ste 239) and is expected to speak at the 7pm MLK tribute membership meeting (35 W Main, lobby).

122 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 12:41:52pm
LET IT GO. LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
123 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 12:41:58pm

re: #114 No Country For Old Haters

That cat looks really tough for a cute cat.

He was the runt of the litter. He gets tough sometimes. He was the only Manx in a litter of five. Mr. w teases him about having his tail bitten off.

124 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:42:03pm

re: #115 No Country For Old Haters

He’s just having a bad day. We’ve had them too.

My day has been great, thank you.

125 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 12:42:43pm

re: #118 Nyet

The first 4 or 5 times I saw it happening here recently I either didn’t write anything or gave a useful advice: go against your bias. Well…

I think calling it out as you see it is going to be more effective than making sweeping subjective statements based on personal observations.

Any ‘just as bad’ statement I always view with intense suspicion anyway because it’s really statistically unlikely for any complex things to be equivalent.

126 bratwurst  Jun 12, 2015 12:43:05pm

This is the type of story that stupid people are attracted to in the same way that flies are attracted to shit.

127 TedStriker  Jun 12, 2015 12:45:24pm

re: #117 No Country For Old Haters

But also being wrong and being a dick about it.

Something, something about removing a mote from one’s own eye…

128 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 12:46:41pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

This is just an out and out lie, posted on the NAACP twitter acct.

Spokane NAACP
January 13 *
President Dolezal’s father announced today that he will be coming to town for the January 19th ribbon-cutting ceremony for the NAACP office (25 W Main, Ste 239) and is expected to speak at the 7pm MLK tribute membership meeting (35 W Main, lobby).

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Maybe that really is her father. Or maybe she believes he is. Probably not, but we don’t know what is going on here.

129 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:46:49pm

re: #126 bratwurst

This is the type of story that stupid people are attracted to in the same way that flies are attracted to shit.

Yes, and these racial divisions are for the most part bullshit anyway. Being “black” is more cultural than genetic, as my as light-skinned as I am, but culturally African-American co-workers can attest. It would be cooler if we could leave this tribal BS behind.

130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 12:47:49pm

re: #129 No Country For Old Haters

It would be cooler if we could leave this tribal BS behind.

Again, the RW outrage comes from the sense that she “betrayed” her race by joining the “opposing” faction.

131 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:48:11pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Something, something about removing a mote from one’s own eye…

I’ve been wrong and been a dick in another thread about a month ago when I had low blood sugar, I’m just calling out MBF nonsense and childish derp about “butthurt” in this thread.

132 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 12:50:17pm

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Again, the RW outrage comes from the sense that she “betrayed” her race by joining the “opposing” faction.

Yeah, they see their fellow Americans as enemies, and that’s a huge problem.

133 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 12:50:41pm
Just have to get it off my desktop.
134 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 12:51:27pm

re: #125 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I think calling it out as you see it is going to be more effective than making sweeping subjective statements based on personal observations.

Any ‘just as bad’ statement I always view with intense suspicion anyway because it’s really statistically unlikely for any complex things to be equivalent.

It doesn’t really have to be precise math, like 50/50.

If A is 30% good at something very bad, and B is 60% good at something very bad, then mathematically B is twice as worse, but there is also another way of seeing it: beyond some tolerance point they’re just “bad” and it doesn’t matter all that much whether beyond that point A is better or worse than B.

135 Khal Wimpo  Jun 12, 2015 12:52:53pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

And speaking of animus, the psychos from the stalker blog really went batshit last night on Twitter, after I exchanged a couple of tweets with Oliver Willis.

Anyone who’s on Twitter will want to block this lunatic: @Barbie_Sandwich. I’m pretty sure this is the stalker who’s been suspended multiple times with the names @Gus_807 and variations on @BRCX5. Right now he’s only tweeting hatred at me occasionally because he’s trying to avoid getting suspended again, but he’ll undoubtedly get worse and worse before long. They can’t help themselves.

Well, at least I learned a new pejorative term: “race farmer.” Gives me the mental image of a field full of Indy 500/Talladega/Daytonas sprouting up, as you stand to the side, leaning on a pitchfork.

They are desperately pushing the meme that anyone who advocates for equal treatment of people, no matter their race, is actually a Seekrit Exploiter Of Teh Blax, because they can’t possibly be smart enough to spot a shallow con-man who manipulates their fears for fun & profit.

Project much, guys?

136 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 12:53:36pm

re: #128 blueraven

It’s not her father. Look, it doesn’t matter if, as a white woman, she was head of the NAACP. The NAACP has had white members since its inception.

The fact of the matter is that she is a habitual liar with a possible personality disorder who presented herself as someone she isn’t.

137 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 12:54:19pm

re: #113 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Okay, but then it’s not really useful in any way, except perhaps to poke at people and aggravate them.

The very tool of the ‘fairies.

Or internet cops!

/

138 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 12:56:58pm

re: #134 Nyet

It doesn’t really have to be precise math, like 50/50.

If A is 30% good at something very bad, and B is 60% good at something very bad, then mathematically B is twice as worse, but there is also another way of seeing it: beyond some tolerance point they’re just “bad” and it doesn’t matter all that much whether beyond that point A is better or worse than B.

Okay, well, to me that’s not what ‘just as bad’ means, that seems to be your own private definition of it. I think you’ll find that most people think that ‘just as bad’ means ‘roughly equally bad’, not ‘past some point of bad tolerance’.

There’s lots of ways you could say what I think you want to say, or at least attempt to achieve what you want to achieve, without tripping over semantics.

Personally, my bugbear is anti-scientific thinking on the left, and abuse of statistics, which happens all the time. When I see it, my response is “It doesn’t matter how much the ‘right’ does it, we need to be better than that, we need to be totally intolerant of that sort of shit on our own side and correct it whenever it’s there”.

To mock Fox News for fucking up in a fake way distracts from pointing out the real ways that Fox News fucks up and so it’s really, really dumb. That fox might fuck up the graphic of an actor really isn’t a big deal, I wouldn’t think badly of them for doing so anyway.

139 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 1:03:05pm

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140 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:04:43pm

re: #138 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Okay, well, to me that’s not what ‘just as bad’ means, that seems to be your own private definition of it. I think you’ll find that most people think that ‘just as bad’ means ‘roughly equally bad’, not ‘past some point of bad tolerance’.

First off, those words in quotes do not belong to me.
You are free to argue that what I wrote is equivalent, but please don’t write as if it’s my quote.
Second, I wrote “isn’t really better”, and sometimes “better” just doesn’t apply. Like, what is better, very very bad thing A or very very very bad thing B? A has one “very” less, but “better” still doesn’t really apply.

There’s lots of ways you could say what I think you want to say, or at least attempt to achieve what you want to achieve, without tripping over semantics.

Personally, my bugbear is anti-scientific thinking on the left, and abuse of statistics, which happens all the time. When I see it, my response is “It doesn’t matter how much the ‘right’ does it, we need to be better than that, we need to be totally intolerant of that sort of shit on our own side and correct it whenever it’s there”.

To mock Fox News for fucking up in a fake way distracts from pointing out the real ways that Fox News fucks up and so it’s really, really dumb. That fox might fuck up the graphic of an actor really isn’t a big deal, I wouldn’t think badly of them for doing so anyway.

Well, here we agree.

141 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:07:27pm

re: #140 Nyet

First off, those words in quotes do not belong to me.
You are free to argue that what I wrote is equivalent, but please don’t write as if it’s my quote.
Second, I wrote “isn’t really better”, and sometimes “better” just doesn’t apply. Like, what is better, very very bad thing A or very very very bad thing B? A has one “very” less, but “better” still doesn’t really apply.

Isn’t really better and just as bad are synonymous: they both mean ‘equivalent, in a negative way’.

Like, what is better, very very bad thing A or very very very bad thing B?

A.

Well, here we agree.

I assume you mean you agree with the latter part, not the first part about how you could say what you want to say without tripping into this particular hole.

142 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:10:14pm

re: #141 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

A.

Not for me. It’s not a purely logical proposition, it has to do with the connotation of calling something “better”.

143 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:10:58pm

re: #141 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I also agree that I could have said it using other terms. The idea would be the same.

144 A Cranky One  Jun 12, 2015 1:11:06pm

Hehe. My plot is working. Come, all, to the cranky side!

Let the crankiness flow through you!

145 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:11:50pm

re: #144 A Cranky One

Nah, now we’re just being boring.

146 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 1:14:02pm
147 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:15:43pm

re: #142 Nyet

Not for me. It’s not a purely logical proposition, it has to do with the connotation of calling something “better”.

The connotation of calling something better is that it is better than the other thing. something that is very very bad is better than is something that is very very very bad. This is what chemotherapy, many military decisions, and heartbreaking choices about survival are made of.

re: #143 Nyet

I also agree that I could have said it using other terms. The idea would be the same.

It is actually a different idea that you are communicating: what it seems like you are doing is making the large claim that there is an equivalence. Your private definition is not a common one.

You may be thinking of the movie moment where the good guy, driven by rage, is about to kill the helpless bad guy when the sidekick steps in and says “No! If you do that we’re no better than he is!” This is rhetoric for the moment to get the guy to stop, and not meant to be an actual claim, since the bad guy often has like blown up a bunch of schools or a planet or something and killing him while helpless would not make the hero just as bad, it would just be bad for him to do.

148 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 1:15:46pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

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I was waiting for that baby.

149 bratwurst  Jun 12, 2015 1:16:24pm
150 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 1:18:18pm

re: #146 Kragar

Those words, they do not mean what he thinks they mean.

151 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 1:19:52pm

re: #77 The War TARDIS

So, you are ok with erosion of human rights worldwide through Chinese imtimidation? Or with the persecution of Uyghurs?

Because I am not. They are not friendly, you saw that from the hack.

As far as I can tell, US plutocrats support US trade deals because said trade deals give US plutocrats more ways to screw over everyone else in the US. Nothing I’ve read about the TPP gives any real evidence of it being different this time around.

Even if there are any human rights provisions in the TPP, I think it much more likely than not that they are toothless fig leaves.

152 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 1:20:30pm

MEME FAIL, the actual dress is the blue & black one.

153 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:21:18pm

re: #147 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The connotation of calling something better is that it is better than the other thing. something that is very very bad is better than is something that is very very very bad. This is what chemotherapy, many military decisions, and heartbreaking choices about survival are made of.

Well, since we are into specific examples, I’ll just write down the most expected one: It can be argued that Stalin was less harmful than Hitler for some groups, that it was right to support him during WWII and so on, but I will insist that Stalin wasn’t better than Hitler. Someone who has killed X millions isn’t better than someone who has killed Y millions. (Disclaimer: this illustrates the principle and doesn’t compare any group to Stalin or Hitler.)

It is actually a different idea that you are communicating

I was communicating a different idea, and then I also agreed with what you wrote. No contradiction.

154 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 12, 2015 1:22:14pm

re: #111 Nyet

In the big stuff the right are uncontested champions.

The Iraqi WMDs alone are worth all the things you listed there.

(In the immediate context it was clear I was talking about fake quotes and screenshots on the web, and I stand by it. :)

I have no idea how to track who manufactures or accepts fakes, or how to ascertain intent. I really can’t tell the satirical from the sincere anymore. On one hand “everybody does it” seems likely just given Human Nature on the Internet, but that doesn’t seem to encapsulate what I experience.

There’s a difference in intensity and commitment to presenting fakes as real. This is anecdotal, but my mother gets wingnut memes sent to her through email, and she gets very ugly responses when she contradicts a claim…which she does because she’s a well-honed bullshit detector (her words, not mine), not out of political convictions. It’s actually really fascinating, since my parents were Republicans for fiscal reasons, and now Mom is being teased (both companionably and more vituperatively) about being a super-leftist, mostly because she debunks Internet stuff.

It’s a personal variant of the more general “Snopes is liberal-biased and therefore all its debunking are invalid” assertion.

155 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 1:22:32pm

re: #145 Nyet

Nah, now we’re just being boring.

Self awareness is a good thing. Especially when it comes earlier rather than later. Or, too late.

: )

Later…I leave all of you bored with Nyet. /

156 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 1:24:04pm

re: #151 EPR-radar

As far as I can tell, US plutocrats support US trade deals because said trade deals give US plutocrats more ways to screw over everyone else in the US. Nothing I’ve read about the TPP gives any real evidence of it being different this time around.

Even if there are any human rights provisions in the TPP, I think it much more likely than not that they are toothless fig leaves.

Good point. There are usually too many outs to the human rights, labor, and environmental provisions of these things for them to ever be enforced. “Stand aside, you bleeding hearts and tree huggers, we’ve got exploiting to do!”

157 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 1:25:58pm

re: #153 Nyet

You seem to have a trend today that you are always correct based on your observations. That’s the difference between a Ph.D-trained scientist with a 17 year track record of publications and NIH funding, and well…..you.

Please proceed, though, and tell us why you’re right because you believe you are. I’ll just continue to find some amusement in your attempts.

158 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 1:27:29pm

OT: There is a 90 day warranty window on Behringer’s cheap stomp-boxes. Don’t you know the cheap reverb pedal I bought of theirs died on day 91?

LOL!

Going to have to find the money for a better one next time…

VHT, maker of my Amp has an interesting looking Tremolo/Reverb combo pedal for about $120. Maybe I should save for it?

159 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:28:20pm

re: #153 Nyet

Well, since we are into specific examples, I’ll just write down the most expected one: It can be argued that Stalin was less harmful than Hitler for some groups, that it was right to support him during WWII and so on, but I will insist that Stalin wasn’t better than Hitler. Someone who has killed X millions isn’t better than someone who has killed Y millions. (Disclaimer: this illustrates the principle and doesn’t compare any group to Stalin or Hitler.)

Someone who has killed x millions did less damage than someone who killed x + y millions. Supporting the USSR was better than supporting the Nazis against the USSR. If the Nazis had successfully invaded the USSR, more people would have died than under Stalin. Unless you get into gay black hitler territory and start thinking about the outflow from Stalin being in charge, then yeah, supporting Stalin was better.

To put it another way, dying by being shot is better than dying of pancreatic cancer. That doesn’t imply, at all, that there’s anything the least bit good about dying by being shot.

160 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 12, 2015 1:28:52pm

re: #154 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

For that matter, I’d say the big difference I see on the internet with picture fakes and fake quotes IS the “Snopes is leftist propaganda” claim

161 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:28:52pm

re: #157 Dr. Matt

Still waiting on that peer-reviewed paper showing that race exists as an objective biological criteria, by the way.

162 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 1:28:59pm

@BenShapiro is still ranting about Rachel Dolezal. I think he’s setting some kind of record here.

163 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 1:29:09pm

re: #154 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

I have no idea how to track who manufactures or accepts fakes, or how to ascertain intent. I really can’t tell the satirical from the sincere anymore. On one hand “everybody does it” seems likely just given Human Nature on the Internet, but that doesn’t seem to encapsulate what I experience.

There’s a difference in intensity and commitment to presenting fakes as real. This is anecdotal, but my mother gets wingnut memes sent to her through email, and she gets very ugly responses when she contradicts a claim…which she does because she’s a well-honed bullshit detector (her words, not mine), not out of political convictions. It’s actually really fascinating, since my parents were Republicans for fiscal reasons, and now Mom is being teased (both companionably and more vituperatively) about being a super-leftist, mostly because she debunks Internet stuff.

It’s a personal variant of the more general “Snopes is liberal-biased and therefore all its debunking are invalid” assertion.

I think a big part of this pattern is that the US right has simply abandoned any attempt to base its desired policy positions on reality-based arguments.

At the very least, this leads to an aggressive indifference as to whether or not any particular purported fact is true. The only thing that matters to most on the US right is whether or not a statement is useful.

It should be noted that this pattern of reality avoidance is seen in many moderate Republicans, mostly in connection with denial of what the GOP is and of what it is rapidly becoming.

164 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:29:15pm

re: #157 Dr. Matt

You seem to have a trend today that you are always correct based on your observations. That’s the difference between a Ph.D-trained scientist with a 17 year track record of publications and NIH funding, and well…..you.

Please proceed, though, and tell us why you’re right because you believe you are. I’ll just continue to find some amusement in your attempts.

Do tell us more about how races and ethnicities are real and genetic, Mr. PhD.

165 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 1:29:18pm

re: #158 William Lewis

OT: There is a 90 day warranty window on Behringer’s cheap stomp-boxes. Don’t you know the cheap reverb pedal I bought of theirs died on day 91?

LOL!

Going to have to find the money for a better one next time…

VHT, maker of my Amp has an interesting looking Tremolo/Reverb combo pedal for about $120. Maybe I should save for it?

Get an acoustic and practice the F chord in all positions instead.

//

166 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 1:30:52pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

@BenShapiro is still ranting about Rachel Dolezal. I think he’s setting some kind of record here.

He hasn’t asked for money to help him “take down” Rachel Dolzeal or published the address and phone number of her therapist so he gets to keep his Twitter account.

167 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 1:31:43pm
168 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:31:51pm

re: #159 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Someone who has killed x millions did less damage than someone who killed x + y millions. Supporting the USSR was better than supporting the Nazis against the USSR. If the Nazis had successfully invaded the USSR, more people would have died than under Stalin. Unless you get into gay black hitler territory and start thinking about the outflow from Stalin being in charge, then yeah, supporting Stalin was better.

To put it another way, dying by being shot is better than dying of pancreatic cancer. That doesn’t imply, at all, that there’s anything the least bit good about dying by being shot.

You have written about everything (supporting, damage, etc. - the things I acknowledged right from the start) but my thesis that Stalin wasn’t better than Hitler.

169 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 1:32:04pm

re: #83 Higgs Boson’s Mate

So, you want us to work with a nation that just stole the information of everyone working for the US government? That is mind blowing in naiveté.

170 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:32:38pm

Seems like we have a “race realist” here.

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 1:34:32pm

re: #169 The War TARDIS

So, you want us to work with a nation that just stole the information of everyone working for the US government? That is mind blowing in naiveté.

Really, why steal the records of everyone, is it not much more efficient just to tap the Prime MInister’s phone?

172 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 1:37:43pm

re: #170 Nyet

Seems like we have a “race realist” here.

From this spectator of today’s pie fights (what is in the water today?) that seems to be way the hell over the top.

‘race realist’ as a political term has strong connotations of inherent superiority and inferiority of various racial groups. That’s the whole point of ‘race realism’.

The race realism of Stormfront et al. isn’t about whether or not it makes sense to define race via genetic markers.

173 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 1:38:58pm

Man, if you scroll down Shapiro’s timeline it just goes on and on and on. There must be more than 100 tweets about Dolezal so far. He’s really worked up.

174 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:39:31pm

re: #168 Nyet

You have written about everything (supporting, damage, etc. - the things I acknowledged right from the start) but my thesis that Stalin wasn’t better than Hitler.

Well, Stalin was better than Hitler. But that sentence alone is kinda pointless. I’d rather have to deal with Stalin than deal with Hitler.

But again, it’s like saying that being shot is being better than having pancreatic cancer. It’s a true thing, and it’s why some people with pancreatic cancer shoot themselves, but it’s not, like, the only thing you’d say on the subject.

re: #170 Nyet

Seems like we have a “race realist” here.

I don’t think so at all, I just think he’s saying that races are groups that have probablistic groupings of certain genetic traits, which is an arbitrary division that is used in epidemiology and other sorts of scientific inquiry, but it’s not an objective criteria, just a useful taxonomy.

In epidemiology, for example, you define a ‘race’ by a group of genetic predispositions to various diseases.

175 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:40:17pm

re: #172 EPR-radar

Saying that there is an objective scientific definition of race based on genetics certainly smacks of the “science proved the race is real!” crowd.

176 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 1:40:33pm

I cannot believe it is already 1:40. I must get into the freaking shower.

#workfromhomeproblems

yeehaw!

177 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:41:28pm

re: #174 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Well, Stalin was better than Hitler.

Nope. No way.
And herein lies the difference in our word usage.

178 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 1:43:21pm

re: #169 The War TARDIS

So, you want us to work with a nation that just stole the information of everyone working for the US government? That is mind blowing in naiveté.

Yes, where doing so is to our mutual benefit. Your arguments sound eerily reminiscent of the Domino Theory7 that led to so much misery in years past.

179 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 1:43:42pm

re: #175 Nyet

Going to have to agree with that. When you see blond mongols and Uyghurs, among others, that really puts a dent in things.

180 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:44:07pm

re: #174 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I don’t think so at all, I just think he’s saying that races are groups that have probablistic groupings of certain genetic traits, which is an arbitrary division that is used in epidemiology and other sorts of scientific inquiry, but it’s not an objective criteria, just a useful taxonomy.

In epidemiology, for example, you define a ‘race’ by a group of genetic predispositions to various diseases.

Then it’s a not-so-bright muddying of waters since we were not talking about race in epidemiological context.
Science also can differentiate between males and females (and cases in between), but that doesn’t tell us much about gender.

181 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 1:44:29pm
Much more productive than any other comment I could make right now.
182 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:46:04pm

re: #177 Nyet

Nope. No way.
And herein lies the difference in our word usage.

Yes, which is what I’m pointing out. Your usage of it is not actually the more common one. Most people would say that between two things, you can say one is better even if both are horrible.

Do you also think that dying by being shot isn’t better than dying by pancreatic cancer—is the Stalin/Hitler thing to you different because of the moral axis?

183 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:47:34pm

re: #182 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Your usage of it is not actually the more common one. Most people would say that between two things, you can say one is better even if both are horrible.

What’s your data set? (c)

184 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:47:37pm

re: #180 Nyet

Then it’s a not-so-bright muddying of waters since we were not talking about race in epidemiological context.
Science also can differentiate between males and females (and cases in between), but that doesn’t tell us much about gender.

Absolutely true. That people with various ancestries tend to have various genes doesn’t tell us squat about any individual of that group, and really doesn’t tell us much about the group either except stuff like if they can digest lactose.

185 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2015 1:47:39pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

Man, if you scroll down Shapiro’s timeline it just goes on and on and on. There must be more than 100 tweets about Dolezal so far. He’s really worked up.

Seems it’s contagious.

186 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 1:50:23pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

Man, if you scroll down Shapiro’s timeline it just goes on and on and on. There must be more than 100 tweets about Dolezal so far. He’s really worked up.

187 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:50:45pm

re: #183 Nyet

What’s your data set? (c)

Reams of social science research where you have people choose between horrible things on a scale of 1-7 with 1 being worse and 7 being better. We recently did one on whether the suppression and eradication of a culture or the total appropriation and assimilation of it was better, and whether it was better for a child to be taken from its parents and raised by someone of a different ethnic group or kept with the parents in a concentration camp. Whoo hoo.

I am not possibly going to convince any professor to let me do a “Who was better, Stalin or HItler” study, though.

188 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 1:51:07pm

re: #181 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sigh—and I still can’t get my cable to work. Rebooted the cable box (that sounds kinda obscene) and still nothing. Time to go stand in the courtyard until a techie neighbor takes pity on me.

189 The War TARDIS  Jun 12, 2015 1:52:38pm

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And the PRC is claim the South China Sea, and Arunchal Pradesh. They are attempting to seize land from other nations. That might, coined with their persecution of the Uyghurs by making impossible to practice Islam, make me feel they have to be contained.

190 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 1:52:48pm
191 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 1:53:24pm

re: #187 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

So nothing about Stalin and Hitler. Thought so.

192 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 1:55:05pm

re: #191 Nyet

So nothing about Stalin and Hitler. Thought so.

If I presented people with that, they absolutely would choose, and you would have data that did not sit in the middle of the scale.

Is there some reason you don’t find the above examples of choosing between horrific things convincing? I’m really not understanding your argument at this point, unless your argument is solely confined to Hitler and Stalin—but I thought you were using them to illustrate a general point about not being able to say ‘better’ about two really terrible things.

193 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 1:55:16pm

re: #190 Kragar

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Ohhhh I dunno. I think I’d rather be one of them than I would being Pam Geller or Chuck or one of their ilk.

194 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 1:56:02pm
195 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 1:56:08pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Sigh—and I still can’t get my cable to work. Rebooted the cable box (that sounds kinda obscene) and still nothing. Time to go stand in the courtyard until a techie neighbor takes pity on me.

I would come over and help if I lived locally but…

196 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 1:57:57pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I would come over and help if I lived locally but…

I would too but my techie skills would mean that both of us would be standing in the courtyard. You’d have company though. :)

197 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 1:58:22pm

re: #196 allegro

I would too but my techie skills would mean that both of us would be standing in the courtyard. You’d have company though. :)

You make pizza, she can provide the wine, it’d be a grand old time!

198 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 1:59:10pm

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You make pizza, she can provide the wine, it’d be a grand old time!

An excellent plan!

199 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 1:59:28pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I would come over and help if I lived locally but…

I thank you for the offer—we’re about 3,000 miles apart, but closer in spirit.

200 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 2:00:25pm

re: #199 BeachDem

I thank you for the offer—we’re about 3,000 miles apart, but closer in spirit.

I’ll swing by Texas, pick up allegro, and be there in a week.

Ish.

Except for the part where I leave for a week’s vacation with mr. klys in a week.

Hmm.

201 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 2:01:01pm

re: #196 allegro

I would too but my techie skills would mean that both of us would be standing in the courtyard. You’d have company though. :)

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You make pizza, she can provide the wine, it’d be a grand old time!

Sounds like a party! I’m in (and if we drink enough wine, the blank screen will seem more animated.)

202 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 2:01:33pm

re: #201 BeachDem

Sounds like a party! I’m in (and if we drink enough wine, the blank screen will seem more animated.)

If all else fails, I will bring paper and markers and we can draw our own screen.

203 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 2:02:14pm

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll swing by Texas, pick up allegro, and be there in a week.

Ish.

Except for the part where I leave for a week’s vacation with mr. klys in a week.

Hmm.

Grab FF on the way as well. Her pizza recipe.

204 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 2:02:31pm

re: #203 allegro

Grab FF on the way as well. Her pizza recipe.

LGF road trip!

205 TedStriker  Jun 12, 2015 2:06:06pm

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll swing by Texas, pick up allegro, and be there in a week.

Ish.

Except for the part where I leave for a week’s vacation with mr. klys in a week.

Hmm.

re: #203 allegro

Grab FF on the way as well. Her pizza recipe.

re: #204 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LGF road trip!

…

206 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 2:06:28pm

re: #204 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LGF road trip!

I might actually be making the cross country drive in a month or so.

Waiting for the final “you’re outta here” on Monday. Then the mad dash to organize it on a budget will begin.

I’ll be in touch with the Lizards along the Southern route.

207 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 2:06:42pm

Well, fuck.

208 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 2:07:05pm

re: #205 TedStriker

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Better than Thelma and Louise.

209 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 2:07:21pm

re: #206 #FergusonFireside

I might actually be making the cross country drive in a month or so.

Waiting for the final “you’re outta here” on Monday. Then the mad dash to organize it on a budget will begin.

I’ll be in touch with the Lizards along the Southern route.

I’m doing NJ to CA in July with my sisters, moving the one out to CA for her job. I get Yellowstone this year, hooray!

210 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 2:08:21pm

re: #202 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If all else fails, I will bring paper and markers and we can draw our own screen.

You’re so damn crafty. Not a neighbor in sight (how many times can one stroll to an empty mailbox without arousing suspicion?)

Oh well, can watch TV in my den or movies on my big TV. First world problems, baby.

211 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 2:08:52pm

re: #189 The War TARDIS

And the PRC is claim the South China Sea, and Arunchal Pradesh. They are attempting to seize land from other nations. That might, coined with their persecution of the Uyghurs by making impossible to practice Islam, make me feel they have to be contained.

When should we schedule World War III? Does next Tuesday at 3 PM work at your end?

Less facetiously, it basically makes sense to deal with China on issues where agreement can be reached, without insisting that every negotiation deal with all open issues at once.

212 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 2:09:14pm

re: #210 BeachDem

You’re so damn crafty. Not a neighbor in sight (how many times can one stroll to an empty mailbox without arousing suspicion?)

Oh well, can watch TV in my den or movies on my big TV. First world problems, baby.

Please note: I didn’t guarantee good drawings.

213 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:09:19pm

re: #207 Lord Of The Pies

Well, fuck.

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A few more shoes will drop before this is over.

214 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 2:09:21pm

re: #206 #FergusonFireside

I might actually be making the cross country drive in a month or so.

Waiting for the final “you’re outta here” on Monday. Then the mad dash to organize it on a budget will begin.

I’ll be in touch with the Lizards along the Southern route.

And I’m still awaiting word from my “southerner” peeps.

215 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 2:11:03pm
216 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 2:12:08pm

re: #214 BeachDem

Thanks love!

217 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 2:14:27pm

re: #215 Lord Of The Pies

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But wait, there’s more!

218 BeachDem  Jun 12, 2015 2:15:09pm

Hunter on the Mittfest activities this weekend:

Quoting Time: Attendees at Mitt Romney’s third annual retreat this weekend will have the chance to go skeet shooting with South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham or play flag football with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. They can even do “Sunrise Pilates” with Bloomberg reporter Mark Halperin and the former first lady aspirant Ann Romney.

And Hunter’s response: All those things sound positively horrifying, but with “Sunrise Pilates with Mark Halperin and Ann Romney” I think we’ve discovered a new circle of Hell. I don’t think I even want to know what sin you have to commit to punch your ticket for that.

dailykos.com
Yeah, that’s the “librul media” for you.

219 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 2:16:07pm

re: #207 Lord Of The Pies

Heads should definitely roll for this. Security clearance background check information should never have been stored on a computer that was connected to the internet.

220 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2015 2:16:35pm

The Twittersphere is stuck on stupid today. In addition to the Rachel Dolezal thing, there’s this as a sort of cherry on top of it all:

221 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 2:19:44pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

Heads should definitely roll for this. Security clearance background check information should never have been stored on a computer that was connected to the internet.

Except in this day and age, all that material gets submitted and routed via the internet.

222 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 2:24:55pm

re: #221 Kragar

Except in this day and age, all that material gets submitted and routed via the internet.

Well, that’s a total non-starter right there. It is simply idiotic for that information to be treated as unclassified.

223 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 2:26:57pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

Well, that’s a total non-starter right there. It is simply idiotic for that information to be treated as unclassified.

“Safeguards are in place.”
/

224 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:28:46pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

Well, that’s a total non-starter right there. It is simply idiotic for that information to be treated as unclassified.

I’d bet that even if the information was strongly encrypted it would eventually be vulnerable. They could simply make everyone in China load a distributed computing application and brute force the fuck out of it.

225 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:29:16pm

re: #223 Kragar

“Safeguards are in place.”
/

“Mistakes were made.”

226 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2015 2:29:44pm

You know, this latest OPM news is really not making me feel good about proposals for internet voting in our elections.

227 Targetpractice  Jun 12, 2015 2:31:00pm

re: #225 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“Mistakes were made.”

“Nobody could have foreseen.”

228 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:35:04pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

You know, this latest OPM news is really not making me feel good about proposals for internet voting in our elections.

Makes me think that all of those billions being spent on cyber security and NSA monitoring might just be going to waste.

229 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 2:35:55pm

re: #224 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d bet that even if the information was strongly encrypted it would eventually be vulnerable. They could simply make everyone in China load a distributed computing application and brute force the fuck out of it.

This is really unbelievable. Back in the day, it was simply a given that no classified material be stored on a computer that was on the internet. No exceptions to the rule.

I fail to see how detailed personal information on everyone in the US that has a clearance would not itself count as classified information.

As for this business of filling out the SF-86 on-line, that is just ridiculous. That should be a paper form that is filled out and turned into a suitable government or contractor security office. If they need to move the forms around, that is what classified courier services are for. If the forms need to be archived on a computer, that is what computers isolated from the internet are for.

This shit is not hard. It is just costly. Which is why it has been effed up beyond belief. Some meathead somewhere thought that security could be made ‘efficient’.

230 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:41:04pm

re: #228 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Makes me think that all of those billions being spent on cyber security and NSA monitoring might just be going to waste.

Or that we’re so busy looking under the bed for terrorists that we made it easier for the hackers to waltz right in.

231 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 2:42:07pm
232 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2015 2:42:11pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

This shit is not hard. It is just costly. Which is why it has been effed up beyond belief. Some meathead somewhere thought that security could be made ‘efficient’.

I would love to see what the Republicans have been doing about the budget for this — while they were busy cutting everything else except defense.

233 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 2:43:45pm

re: #232 Snarknado!

I would love to see what the Republicans have been doing about the budget for this — while they were busy cutting everything else except defense.

And we know that the Republicans don’t regard computer security as defense because it doesn’t blow shit up.

234 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 2:46:44pm

re: #228 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Makes me wonder where all of those billions being spent on cyber security and NSA monitoring might just be going to waste.


GOP House’s “Cybersecurity Bills” are Surveillance Bills in Disguise

The bills are not cybersecurity “information sharing” bills, but surveillance bills in disguise. Like other bills we’ve opposed during the last five years, they authorize more private sector spying under new legal immunity provisions and use vague definitions that aren’t carefully limited to protect privacy. The bills further facilitate companies’ sharing even more of our personal information with the NSA and some even allow companies to “hack back” against potentially innocent users.

235 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 2:52:30pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

You know, this latest OPM news is really not making me feel good about proposals for internet voting in our elections.

Agreed. I think my view on internet voting has become ‘hell no’, and any electronic voting machines that don’t provide at least as good a paper trail as what they replace are also right out.

236 unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2015 2:53:47pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

You know, this latest OPM news is really not making me feel good about proposals for internet voting in our elections.

I can appreciate that sentiment.

Meet the e-voting machine so easy to hack, it will take your breath away
Virginia decertifies device that used weak passwords and wasn’t updated in 10 years. by Dan Goodin - Apr 15, 2015

Golfclap for our Governor. Better late than never.

237 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 2:54:09pm

re: #230 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Nothing connected to the internet is safe long term. Air gap or it’s public. But I don’t think for a second that any generation younger than the Baby Boomers would put up with the expense and inefficiency of going back to paper or full blown everything encrypted + biometric all the time security. Or having to get back in the car for all those things we now do online.

238 Snarknado!  Jun 12, 2015 2:57:06pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

Agreed. I think my view on internet voting has become ‘hell no’, and any electronic voting machines that don’t provide at least as good a paper trail as what they replace are also right out.

After the first blowup about hackable machines (how many years ago was that?) my locality returned to paper ballots marked with a pen (not even the marker they used to use!), and has never looked back. I approve of this policy.

239 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 2:58:52pm

most likely a parody account, my mistake

240 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 3:02:03pm

When this story first broke it was pretty clearly an attempt to fish for problems where there was none, as far as identity. (Whether or not Ms. Dolezal is estranged from her birth family does not strike me as a political issue, but some may think so?)

This gets me back to my topic of the week - what I’m labeling race essentialism.

Many people involved in the NAACP have (since historical times) little to no DNA from sub-saharan parents.

This boggles the minds, it appears, of the hate-right.

The head of the NAACP himself has only a relatively minor share of sub-saharan ancestors, if his episode on Finding Your Roots is an indication.

Whatever Ms. Dolezal’s problems, it isn’t because she isn’t “black” in some sense.

241 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 3:02:04pm

re: #239 Kragar

Fake account.

242 Dave In Austin  Jun 12, 2015 3:02:24pm

re: #239 Kragar

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This woman is out of her god damn mind.

That Sir, is the understatement of the day.

243 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 3:02:52pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

Fake account.

Yeah, caught that when I looked at the time line

244 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 3:06:40pm
245 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 3:07:36pm

re: #207 Lord Of The Pies

Well, that sort of invalidates my belief I shared yesterday.

I am surprised that the substance of clearance investigations (as opposed simply to the existence of a security clearance) would be exposed.

Which makes me wonder why OPM kept the security data in a vulnerable online-accessible system.

Something seems quite wrong here.

246 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 3:07:40pm

re: #243 Kragar

Yeah, caught that when I looked at the time line

There’s a LOT of right wing trolling going on about Dolezal.

247 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 3:08:41pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

It’s about being whiter than white about one’s whiteness.

248 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 3:09:39pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

There’s a LOT of right wing trolling going on about Dolezal.

249 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 3:10:07pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

There’s a LOT of right wing trolling going on about Dolezal.

Yes there is. We should do what they do with people who lie about their history and accomplishments: elect her to Congress.

250 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 3:12:15pm

re: #192 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

If I presented people with that, they absolutely would choose, and you would have data that did not sit in the middle of the scale.

Is there some reason you don’t find the above examples of choosing between horrific things convincing? I’m really not understanding your argument at this point, unless your argument is solely confined to Hitler and Stalin—but I thought you were using them to illustrate a general point about not being able to say ‘better’ about two really terrible things.

First off, it would be interesting to know how many do choose the neutral option. It doesn’t have to be “most” people for such a choice to be “common enough”.

Anyway, I’m sort of iffy about using such formal tests to judge the issue under discussion. For me it’s not about “making the choice” itself (even if a choice on a test), but about “choosing words”/verbally framing on one’s own, outside the test constraints. Yes, I can always specify parameters by which horrible things can be judged to be better or worse, I will just usually refuse to even specify such parameters.

The choice between Stalin and Hitler (in WWII) is clear for most people. When confronted with a question of whom to support most people will make that choice. Whether they will also verbally formulate, outside the test constraints, their thoughts in the form of “Stalin was better than Hitler” (or this for any of those other things) is a different issue. I frankly doubt that.

People may say though that “a death from a bullet is better than a death from cancer” while refusing to say “Ted Bundy was better than Andrey Chikatilo”, unless you specifically nudge them in the direction of “better=less victims” metric, thus making the word “better” less vague and more amenable to a “choice”, even if this metric would only make sense within the test context.

In the case of deaths the metric seems intuitively obvious: long+painful v. quick. Plus it’s more or less a tradition to talk about “good death”, etc., so this counter-example is not so “pure”.

251 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 3:14:19pm

It’s very difficult to convince people (not just Americans, but all over the place) that contemporary anthropology and genetics disproves many old ideas about “race”.

252 gwangung  Jun 12, 2015 3:15:11pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

This shit is not hard. It is just costly. Which is why it has been effed up beyond belief. Some meathead somewhere thought that security could be made ‘efficient’.

Meathead spelled R-E-P-U-B—

253 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 3:17:09pm

re: #251 freetoken

It’s very difficult to convince people (not just Americans, but all over the place) that contemporary anthropology and genetics disproves many old ideas about “race”.

You mean to say that the first one across the finish line is no longer the winner? That’s liberal thinking if I ever saw it, by gum.

254 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 3:21:18pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

There’s a LOT of right wing trolling going on about Dolezal.

Yes, but on the bright side, when can all imagine Upchuck, stuck Twitterless in his basement screaming in impotent frustration.

255 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 3:25:27pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

But wait, there’s more!

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A Jewish, southern, African American cook? I so have to buy this guy’s books.

256 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2015 3:27:02pm

So, got back from the Jazz Open Ostrava up at the castle. It was very good, I have to say. Hopefully, some highlights will be uploaded of this year’s event on YouTube.

In the meantime, there’s this from the 2011 Jazz Open Ostrava. Enjoy.

…

And with that, goodnight.

257 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 3:32:12pm

re: #255 Ace-o-aces

A Jewish, southern, African American cook? I so have to buy this guy’s books.

He’s a great human!

258 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 3:33:04pm

re: #255 Ace-o-aces

A Jewish, southern, African American cook? I so have to buy this guy’s books.

I want to marry him and have his babies!

Except he’s gay & I’m post-menopausal :)

259 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 3:33:38pm

re: #258 Lord Of The Pies

I want to marry him and have his babies!

Except he’s gay & I’m post-menopausal :)

I notice what didn’t make the list of reasons. ;)

260 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 3:34:36pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I notice what didn’t make the list of reasons. ;)

Some situations are more easily overcome than others.

261 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 12, 2015 3:35:22pm

re: #258 Lord Of The Pies

I want to marry him and have his babies!

Except he’s gay & I’m post-menopausal :)

That officially get my only use of the internet acronym ROFL.

262 unproven innocence  Jun 12, 2015 3:36:28pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

[snip]
Some meathead somewhere thought that security could be made ‘efficient’.

Not everyone who thinks some aspects of security can be much simpler and efficient is a “meathead”.

Time to say goodbye to usernames and passwords for website authentication February 19, 2015 by Cristian Satnic

263 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 3:44:42pm
264 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 12, 2015 3:45:47pm

re: #263 Kragar

BWAHAHAHAHA!

265 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 3:46:10pm

re: #234 Kragar

The real problem here is that we are using a network system that never had security as a core requirement. At least Operating System and CPU designers took those requirements into their designs and succeeded with various levels of success.

The real bottom line is: anyone who writes any application where security is not treated as a core requirement (or worse, is bolted-on after the fact) should be drawn and quartered.

It’s sad the the lessons of Multics have been lost.

266 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 3:47:28pm

re: #263 Kragar

No elephant would be suspicious of someone measuring its tusks.

267 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 3:47:54pm

re: #263 Kragar

That’s just the human hunter elephant’s first kill. /

268 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 3:49:16pm

re: #267 Nyet

That’s just the human hunter elephant’s first kill. /

The elephant was quoted as saying, “He was coming right for me.”

269 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 3:50:56pm

Baby elephants are perfect human hunters.
Attract humans with your cuteness and fall on them.

270 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 3:56:55pm

re: #263 Kragar

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Baby elephant?

google.com

271 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 3:57:39pm

Note lack of significant tusks.

272 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 3:58:14pm

And now: How not to pull a stump.
Video

273 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 3:58:44pm
BERLIN — The day before he deliberately crashed an Airbus 320 carrying 149 passengers and crew members into the French Alps, Andreas Lubitz safely flew an empty jet from Düsseldorf to Berlin, then returned home to his iPad to search terms including “living will,” “suffering” and “dying.”

nytimes.com

274 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 3:59:16pm

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Baby elephant?

google.com

The article said baby, I used baby, maybe they meant non-fully grown.

275 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 3:59:16pm

re: #272 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Haha.

I watched a good example of how not to move a house in Texas while waiting for mr. klys’s knee surgery.

276 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 3:59:58pm

re: #273 Nyet

Wow. Berlin isn’t that bad.

277 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 3:59:59pm

re: #250 Nyet

First off, it would be interesting to know how many do choose the neutral option. It doesn’t have to be “most” people for such a choice to be “common enough”.

In general, the more intense the subject, the fewer neutral answers.

Anyway, I’m sort of iffy about using such formal tests to judge the issue under discussion. For me it’s not about “making the choice” itself (even if a choice on a test), but about “choosing words”/verbally framing on one’s own, outside the test constraints. Yes, I can always specify parameters by which horrible things can be judged to be better or worse, I will just usually refuse to even specify such parameters.

Okay, if you think that horrible things can be better or worse, then aren’t you arguing against your earlier position, the A and B example?

The choice between Stalin and Hitler (in WWII) is clear for most people. When confronted with a question of whom to support most people will make that choice. Whether they will also verbally formulate, outside the test constraints, their thoughts in the form of “Stalin was better than Hitler” (or this for any of those other things) is a different issue. I frankly doubt that.

Why is that important, though? And isn’t that what you disagreed with in your 177? You didn’t say “That wouldn’t be a word choice that I’d ever choose”, it seemed to be a rejection of the actual concept.

People may say though that “a death from a bullet is better than a death from cancer” while refusing to say “Ted Bundy was better than Andrey Chikatilo”, unless you specifically nudge them in the direction of “better=less victims” metric, thus making the word “better” less vague and more amenable to a “choice”, even if this metric would only make sense within the test context.

Okay. But this started off by talking about the left and right wing, so you can definitely say the left wing is better than the right wing. You’re pegging this to extremes like serial killers and dictators, but that has very little relevance to what started this conversation, right?

I think you’ve gotten a little lost in this argument.

278 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:01:09pm

re: #274 Kragar

The article said baby, I used baby, maybe they meant non-fully grown.

Someone might be pulling Daily Mail’s stump.

279 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:01:35pm

re: #277 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

so you can definitely say the left wing is better than the right wing

I never said otherwise.

280 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:02:46pm

And Obdi, since you’re ascribing to me what I didn’t write, maybe I’m not the one “a little lost in this argument”.

281 Ace-o-aces  Jun 12, 2015 4:02:53pm

re: #276 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Wow. Berlin isn’t that bad.

Never been. Hear the Currywurst is great though.

282 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 4:03:02pm

re: #279 Nyet

I never said otherwise.

In the particular area of photoshopped fake shit, I mean.

When you said the left wasn’t really better than the right.

Which I would have thought was obvious.

283 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jun 12, 2015 4:03:37pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

This is not relevant, but slightly on topic. The local MEChA chapter had one white guy who held every office except President, which he politely declined, and one Hispanic guy who quit because of the white (and black) members. Nobody missed him.

I was, for a brief time, the vice president of the Washtenaw County NOW organization. I am and always have been a male.

284 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:04:01pm

re: #282 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

In the particular area of photoshopped fake shit, I mean.

When you said the left wasn’t really better than the right.

Which I would have thought was obvious.

Now you’re saying.

285 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 4:04:03pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

Someone might be pulling Daily Mail’s stump.

Happened back in April apparently, with different sources using baby or young bull

286 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 4:05:59pm
287 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 4:06:17pm

“Baby Elephant Walk” - Henry Mancini

Video

288 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:06:23pm

re: #285 Kragar

Happened back in April apparently, with different sources using baby or young bull

No press release from the Dallas Safari Club.

biggame.org

289 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:07:01pm

The identity theft thing at OPM should raise lots of eyebrows.

I’m surprised, really, that they kept the contents of filled SF86 forms online, available for the industrious hackers.

For those who have never filled out these kinds of forms before, they are an identity thief’s wet dream.

You know all those security questions on those financial accounts of yours, where you are asked such items such as where you went to grade school?

Well, guess where the answers are to those kind of questions - on the SF86.

290 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:08:39pm
The officials said they believe the hack into the security clearance database was separate from the breach of federal personnel data announced last week — a breach that is itself appearing far worse than first believed. It could not be learned whether the security database breach happened when an OPM contractor was hacked in 2013, an attack that was discovered last year. Members of Congress received classified briefings about that breach in September, but there was no mention of security clearance information being exposed.

I wonder just how many breaches have happened at OPM.

291 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 4:09:06pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

No press release from the Dallas Safari Club.

biggame.org

Here’s from their official blog, a link to which can be found under their media and publications tab.

292 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 4:10:39pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“Some have said he died doing what he loved”

Stalking and killing animals driven to the brink of extinction

293 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 4:10:57pm
294 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 4:12:11pm

re: #289 freetoken

The identity theft thing at OPM should raise lots of eyebrows.

I’m surprised, really, that they kept the contents of filled SF86 forms online, available for the industrious hackers.

For those who have never filled out these kinds of forms before, they are an identity thief’s wet dream.

You know all those security questions on those financial accounts of yours, where you are asked such items such as where you went to grade school?

Well, guess where the answers are to those kind of questions - on the SF86.

I always make up fictional shit for those.

295 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:12:44pm

re: #294 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I always make up fictional shit for those.

Probably a good strategy.

296 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:13:14pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s from their official blog, a link to which can be found under their media and publications tab.

That writer has it up to a charging bull elephant.

297 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 4:16:01pm

re: #289 freetoken

The identity theft thing at OPM should raise lots of eyebrows.

I’m surprised, really, that they kept the contents of filled SF86 forms online, available for the industrious hackers.

For those who have never filled out these kinds of forms before, they are an identity thief’s wet dream.

You know all those security questions on those financial accounts of yours, where you are asked such items such as where you went to grade school?

Well, guess where the answers are to those kind of questions - on the SF86.

Part of my irritation at this mess is that I’m reduced to hoping that they never bothered to import background check data from the paper era into that stupid OPM computer system.

298 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:16:06pm

Last week, the Office of Personnel Management disclosed that hackers had breached its networks, warning that the personnel records of roughly four million people—many of them current or former government workers—could have been stolen. At the time, OPM said the breach was discovered as the agency “has undertaken an aggressive effort to update its cybersecurity posture, adding numerous tools and capabilities to its networks.”

But four people familiar with the investigation said the breach was actually discovered during a mid-April sales demonstration at OPM by a Virginia company called CyTech Services, which has a networks forensics platform called CyFIR. CyTech, trying to show OPM how its cybersecurity product worked, ran a diagnostics study on OPM’s network and discovered malware was embedded on the network. Investigators believe the hackers had been in the network for a year or more.

wsj.com

299 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 12, 2015 4:16:10pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

That writer has it up to a charging bull elephant.

Sorry, I’m not participating into today’s pedantic shit competition.

300 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 4:16:29pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s from their official blog, a link to which can be found under their media and publications tab.

Here’s the thing, it said he was measuring tusks for an American client.

I thought the ivory trade was outlawed in the U.S.

So he was engaged in a conspiracy to commit a crime.

301 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:17:37pm

re: #300 Lord Of The Pies

Here’s the thing, it said he was measuring tusks for an American client.

I thought the ivory trade was outlawed in the U.S.

So he was engaged in a conspiracy to commit a crime.

In related news, The McKinney TX police are recruiting the elephant.

302 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:18:30pm

This one housewife has a weird trick for measuring an elephant’s tusks without getting killed. Click!

303 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:20:28pm

Dave Grohl broke his leg during a Foo Fighters concert

ew.com

304 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 4:22:39pm
305 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:23:33pm

Took “break a leg” literally, didn’t you, Dave?

306 wrenchwench  Jun 12, 2015 4:23:40pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

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Deep subject.

307 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 4:26:34pm

re: #298 Justanotherhuman

…Investigators believe the hackers had been in the network for a year or more.

How is failing to discover malware on your network for a year or more in any way acceptable job performance?

308 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:26:38pm

Back to the Dolezal thing: A whole lot of bytes are being written that I think ought to be seen as an exposure of how poorly “race” and issues about identity are handled even by mainstream writers.

To whit: The damage Rachel Dolezal has done

And this gets to the larger issue here. A white person identifying strongly with African Americans and African American culture is not a problem at all. The more the merrier in understanding who we are and our place in this nation’s history. A white person running a chapter of the NAACP is not a problem, either. That’s someone so down with the cause that they are putting their time, energy and clout into public activism on behalf of fellow Americans. But a white person pretending to be black and running a chapter of the NAACP is a big problem.

Well, ok, but Capehart’s assertion “A white person identifying strongly with African Americans and African American culture is not a problem at all” flies in the face of the twitter-alanche of people who really do have a problem with this.

Even though I agree that Dolezal’s disingenuous claims about her birth father are hurtful (in several ways), nevertheless I’m finding the eruption of hand-wringing and hate-filled attacks on social media to reveal a much bigger problem.

309 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 4:28:50pm

Welp three years ago when I interviewed for the Job From Hell I had to complete an online security screening.

I has a sad now. :(

310 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:29:43pm

re: #308 freetoken

hate-filled attacks on social media

Which side do you mean?

311 Argaman  Jun 12, 2015 4:29:47pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I know, I thought the same thing. Why are they bringing this out in public now? If they’re estranged from her, this isn’t exactly going to improve their relationship.

312 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:30:12pm

re: #310 Nyet

Which side do you mean?

I didn’t.

313 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 4:30:20pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

That writer has it up to a charging bull elephant.

Now I know that’s bs. An elephant doesn’t charge anything because it has a trunk full of cash.

314 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 4:31:22pm

re: #312 freetoken

OK, who attacks whom and for what? Because there are several things seemingly going on.

315 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:34:54pm

re: #314 Nyet

OK, who attacks whom and for what? Because there are several things seemingly going on.

Yes, but my point is that the issue seems to me to be more incendiary, as we see playing out in social media, than a case of role-playing ought to be.

Unlike Capehart, I believe that there are many Americans who do have a problem with a “white” person trying to identify as “black.”

There is some sort of virtual one-drop rule that has erupted on the internet.

316 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 4:38:35pm

This controversy over Dolezal at this point is more revelatory about the loudest voices of outrage than anyone closely involved. What a mess.

317 majii  Jun 12, 2015 4:39:28pm

Having lived in GA while being black for over 60 years, I know that where the NAACP is concerned, all it takes for some to claim the organization, and anyone associated with it, is racist are the words “Colored People” in the title. I’ve tried to educate these individuals by informing them that some of the organization’s founders were white, and that there are white members today, but they’ve ignored it, even when I’ve documented the information.

They believe what they want to believe—-that any organization with the word “Colored People” in its title is racist and so are its members, even the white members. Individuals like these are heavily invested in the belief that “whites are under attack by blacks in America,” even when presented with information that disabuses them of this belief. I’ve never been a member of the NAACP, which is also something they find hard to believe when I provide them with information based on facts. They believe that since I’m black and attempting to debunk their lies, I’m automatically a supporter and member of the NAACP.

They couldn’t be more wrong. If they search NAACP membership rolls, they’ll never find any evidence that I’ve been affiliated with the organization.

318 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 4:40:10pm

re: #316 Great White Snark

This controversy over Dolezal at this point is more revelatory about the loudest voices of outrage than anyone closely involved. What a mess.

That affair is entirely for Dolezal and the NAACP to sort out. No further comment.

Edited to add: I forgot to mention the police oversight issue. That one is real.

319 Three Chord Monty  Jun 12, 2015 4:42:02pm

She lied about her background when applying to be a police ombudsman. For me it’s the NAACP part of this that’s relatively irrelevant.

320 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 4:43:18pm

Goldie Taylor steps up to the plate and as usual hits it out of the park.

321 Argaman  Jun 12, 2015 4:43:41pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

I thought his article was very thoughtful - as opposed to what most people are posting on Twitter or elsewhere.

322 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 4:44:42pm

re: #319 Three Chord Monty

She lied about her background when applying to be a police ombudsman. For me it’s the NAACP part of this that’s relatively irrelevant.

Good point. Furthermore, I don’t even think requiring an AA to be on a police review board is an example of affirmative action. It is simply not possible for civilian oversight of the police to be useful unless there is some lived experience in the oversight group of being black in America.

323 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 4:45:42pm

There’s a new talking point coming out of the right about the McKinney pool party. These people are absolutely sick beyond belief.

324 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 4:47:05pm

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

[…] Instead, thinking mimicry was flattery, you adopted what you believed was my language, hairstyles, fashions and mannerisms. Seeking out a love and a sense of sisterhood that was already available to you, you altered your complexion. Along the way, you used these caricatures as currency to pave your way to prominence.

That is a viable critique that I think will hold up.

Shorter Goldie Taylor: It’s ok to be yourself and support someone else’s cause.

325 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:48:42pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

There’s a new talking point coming out of the right about the McKinney pool party. These people are absolutely sick beyond belief.

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Desperation.

326 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:49:09pm

re: #315 freetoken

Well, I don’t think a Black woman’s identity can be donned like a costume. And African hair braiding, frizzy perms and bronzer don’t define it, either. These are just cultural appropriations, whether it’s Rachel Dolezal or any other white woman.

Criticism and worse can be expected when self-identification runs the gamut. People might say they’re all right with it, but sometimes they lie, also.

327 Three Chord Monty  Jun 12, 2015 4:49:28pm

re: #322 EPR-radar

Good point. Furthermore, I don’t even think requiring an AA to be on a police review board is an example of affirmative action. It is simply not possible for civilian oversight of the police to be useful unless there is some lived experience in the oversight group of being black in America.

I wasn’t even thinking about it that way. More a matter of potential fallout if she’d been involved in any controversial actions or even statements. I could see a butthurt party suing the city.

328 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 4:49:36pm

Here’s their Facebook page. They’re organizing a protest to spread this insanity in McKinney.

facebook.com

329 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 4:49:59pm

Am I hallucinating? Did Drudge really run a headline that refers to Nancy Pelosi as brave? So anti Obama it’s okay to now be nice to Nancy Pelosi.

PELOSI SAYS NO TO OBAMATRADE; TAKES BRAVE STAND FOR AMERICA

330 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 4:51:12pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

There’s a new talking point coming out of the right about the McKinney pool party. These people are absolutely sick beyond belief.

[Embedded content]

Looks to me like someone is trying to trick the goobers into clicking on his porn site.

331 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 4:52:02pm

re: #322 EPR-radar

Good point. Furthermore, I don’t even think requiring an AA to be on a police review board is an example of affirmative action. It is simply not possible for civilian oversight of the police to be useful unless there is some lived experience in the oversight group of being black in America.

If you hold to that line of thinking, someone like justanotherhuman would be disqualified in favor of Allan Keyes.

332 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 4:52:31pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

She doesn’t realized that she’s being trolled by her own side. Excellent.

333 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 4:59:56pm
334 Argaman  Jun 12, 2015 5:01:11pm

re: #315 freetoken

I think he was referring to people in the NAACP not having trouble with a white person being involved with the organization. As someone mentioned upthread, some of the founders of the NAACP were white.

335 EPR-radar  Jun 12, 2015 5:02:04pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

If you hold to that line of thinking, someone like justanotherhuman would be disqualified in favor of Allan Keyes.

There is that possibility. Preferably, head cases like Allan Keyes should be disqualified for being nut jobs. However, in a hypothetical scenario where a police review board was all white except for Allan Keyes, I personally would be uncomfortable with a proposal that I replace Allan Keyes, even though I think I’m considerably more sensible than Mr. Keyes on just about every issue.

I can try to empathize, but I simply have not lived that experience.

336 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:03:14pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Well, I think a self-hater would be found out soon enough.

337 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 5:03:46pm

re: #334 Argaman

When I read Capehart I did not get the impression that he was only referring to the beliefs of those in the NAACP .

338 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 5:04:01pm

re: #335 EPR-radar

There is that possibility. Preferably, head cases like Allan Keyes should be disqualified for being nut jobs. However, in a hypothetical scenario where a police review board was all white except for Allan Keyes, I personally would be uncomfortable with a proposal that I replace Allan Keyes, even though I think I’m considerably more sensible than Mr. Keyes on just about every issue.

I can try to empathize, but I simply have not lived that experience.

Was she the only AA on the board? In real application, you go with the most effective people at hand who are willing to accept the crap tasks.

339 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 5:04:59pm
Private Comment

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Gonna get out to a classic restaurant for dinner tonight with my Dad. The Derby in Arcadia. Steaks since 1922. Place was built for the horse racing jockeys and owners from nearby Santa Anita. Choosing from the menu will be the hard part.

340 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 5:05:32pm

re: #336 Justanotherhuman

Well, I think a self-hater would be found out soon enough.

Not if the local powers-that-be want nothing more than a fig leaf.

341 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 5:06:50pm

Been hanging in to discuss this, but the dog has lost his patience. Be back in 30.

342 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 5:07:08pm

Happy Birthday RWC!

343 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:07:37pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Not by them, but by those they allege to represent by their presence.

344 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 5:08:58pm

re: #339 Great White Snark

You deserve it, but THOSE PRICES!!!!! Enjoy and please share what you order!

345 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:09:04pm

Teehee, the white supremacists turn out in McKinney.

346 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 5:10:17pm

re: #344 #FergusonFireside

You deserve it, but THOSE PRICES!!!!! Enjoy and please share what you order!

A rare treat indeed.

347 DodgerFan1988  Jun 12, 2015 5:10:27pm

Conservatives outraged at Ohio judge who said there’s enough evidence to charge the two cops in the shooting death of 12-year old Tamir Rice.
pjmedia.com

348 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 5:10:28pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Not if the local powers-that-be want nothing more than a fig leaf.

The effectiveness of civilian review boards is dependent on how much the boards are empowered by community through the laws that set them up. The make up of a given review board would be inconsequential if its purpose was to merely act as a fig leaf.

349 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 5:17:58pm

re: #344 #FergusonFireside

You deserve it, but THOSE PRICES!!!!! Enjoy and please share what you order!

(snoops online - menu at website). Eh, not bad for a place that caliber. I couldn’t afford it now but I’d imagine that’s worth the tariff.

The Prime Wegyou Coulotte Steak or the Colorado Rack of Lamb would be my hard choice. Then a nice pinot noir to go with it. Then as old a single malt as I could afford for dessert.

You have my regards tonight RWC. Enjoy!

350 Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2015 5:19:58pm

Might as well cut out the middleman and post my SS number on my front door. Maybe citizens could be doxxed in a rotating fashion on those fancy new billboards. I have 2 free subscriptions to identity “protection” services this year already.

351 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 5:20:29pm

re: #349 William Lewis

(snoops online - menu at website). Eh, not bad for a place that caliber. I couldn’t afford it now but I’d imagine that’s worth the tariff.

The Prime Wegyou Coulotte Steak or the Colorado Rack of Lamb would be my hard choice. Then a nice pinot noir to go with it. Then as old a single malt as I could afford for dessert.

You have my regards tonight RWC. Enjoy!

I’d get the Kansas City filet. Bone in filet.

Damn, I am craving steak now.

352 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:20:43pm

Imagine Black protestors with these weapons, cont.

353 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2015 5:22:03pm
354 Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2015 5:22:57pm

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

I encourage their civic engagement only so far as every one of them needs to take a fucking walk!

355 Amory Blaine  Jun 12, 2015 5:25:19pm

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

What’s up with the hovering hamburglar singing aria?

356 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:28:50pm

re: #355 Amory Blaine

It just fucking reeks of white privilege…

357 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:31:02pm

Aaaand, more white privilege. She assaults police and doesn’t wind up dead.

358 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 5:31:25pm

Popcorn time:

Christie, Walker, Rubio are unsparing in blunt pitches to 2016 donors at Romney retreat

Govs. Scott Walker and Chris Christie said presidential rivals in the Senate don’t do anything. Sen. Marco Rubio denounced “old ways” in an indirect slap at older contenders. Sen. Lindsey Graham said his party may be going down a “death spiral” if it doesn’t embrace minority and younger voters.

In elbowing for attention Friday at a luxury mountainside donor retreat convened by 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney, several 2016 contenders let loose some elbows at each other. Most did not name names, but Christie did.

“If you want to know how little they know,” he said of senators, “watch what Rand Paul has done the last two weeks.”

[…]

Asked why senators seem to be popular as presidential candidates, Christie said, “Because they don’t have to do anything.”

[…]

359 jaunte  Jun 12, 2015 5:31:58pm

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

Right Now Supporters for Eric Casebolt are at the PD (McKinney Texas Police Department)

“He doesn’t work here any more.”

360 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2015 5:32:03pm

re: #351 #FergusonFireside

I’d get the Kansas City filet. Bone in filet.

Damn, I am craving steak now.

Add the strip side and you have a porterhouse!

361 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 5:32:25pm
Romney’s invitation-only event gave the Republican contenders an opportunity to connect with 250 leading donors and political operatives.

Some attendees started their day hiking with Romney and his wife at 6 a.m. Others played flag football with Rubio. Among other activities: a hot air balloon ride, outdoor yoga and horseback riding with Ann Romney.

The life of a GOP big whig must be a tough one.

362 prairiefire  Jun 12, 2015 5:33:16pm

re: #358 freetoken

I have to say, Jeb has supremely f’d up, even for a Bush. Now I’m leaning towards Walker.

363 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 5:45:37pm

re: #362 prairiefire

I have to say, Jeb has supremely f’d up, even for a Bush. Now I’m leaning towards Walker.

Think that wants a proofread.

364 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 12, 2015 5:46:07pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

I just wish his apologists would leave me alone while I’m trying to work at home.

365 compound_Idaho  Jun 12, 2015 7:30:16pm

re: #353 CuriousLurker

I disagree with more boot on the ground. Obama simply pissed, pissed, pissed away a hard won victory in Iraq. Unfortunately it is too late to do anything about it now.

366 CuriousLurker  Jun 12, 2015 7:38:49pm

re: #365 compound_Idaho

How did President Obama do that? Please be specific.

367 weltallica  Jun 13, 2015 3:32:31am

She paid a black man to PRETEND to be her father. All this to further her career.

Bonus: here is evidence of her attacking a white woman for “cashing in” on black culture.

imgur.com

And for the trolls, here’s the obvious issue: there is NOTHING WRONG with a white person being the president of their NAACP chapter. Problem is, this person LIED ON FORMS about being black to ensure her promotions. If you CLAIM to be black then it’s revealed you are not and engaged in systematic fraud including skin coloring, wigs and paying actors to be your family, that is DECEPTION.

But I suppose WE are the intolerant bigots for not respecting her choice to identify as Afri-kin.

368 ElCapitanAmerica  Jun 13, 2015 7:47:48am

I’m in complete disagreement in making this a left-right issue. Actually when I first noticed this story on twitter, it was from people that are left leaning, expressing disbelief and disapproval.

I’m sure if I go to the usual sites (breibart I’m looking at you) there’s going to be horrible racist comments, or using this to justify other types of prejudice, but that doesn’t take away that this is a bizarre story which merits some type of discussion.

I’m in agreement with the NAACP that you don’t have to be of a certain ethnicity to be a leader in that organization, but that feeling is not shared among many in the black community.

My issue is not that, but the deception, and the very suspicious hate mail incidents she’s reported. It seems very likely she was lying about those, and I’d like to know what her motivation is. As she says in the interview, why would somebody terrorize their own family for this type of publicity? Well, I’d like to know because it seems very disturbing.

369 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 8:01:28am

re: #365 compound_Idaho

I disagree with more boot on the ground. Obama simply pissed, pissed, pissed away a hard won victory in Iraq. Unfortunately it is too late to do anything about it now.

You can’t be serious. “A hard won victory in Iraq?” What “victory?” There was never any such thing.

370 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 8:05:19am

re: #368 ElCapitanAmerica

You’re missing my point entirely. I’m not making it a right-left issue at all. People on both sides are upset with Dolezal, sure, with good reason. But right wingers are spewing all kinds of hateful crap about this - for starters, comparing Dolezal to Caitlyn Jenner which is grossly transphobic and stupid.

371 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 10:08:57am

re: #367 weltallica

I’m not defending what Dolezal did, at all. She clearly lied for years about being African American.

But you know she lied to “ensure her promotions” … how, exactly? And why would you assume that being black would “ensure her promotions” in the NAACP? There are other white people who work for the NAACP - are you suggesting they’re discriminated against?

I think it’s more likely that she lied because she has psychological problems, not because she wanted to profit from being African American. In most areas of life that isn’t the way it works.

372 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 1:08:28pm

re: #366 CuriousLurker

How did President Obama do that? Please be specific.

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

re: #369 Charles Johnson

You can’t be serious. “A hard won victory in Iraq?” What “victory?” There was never any such thing.

Oh good, I forgot to add that so you saved me some typing.


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