Massive Fail: Stupidest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft, Falls for Another Hoax, Identifies Wrong Man as Oregon Shooter

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Nobody will ever accuse Jim Hoft, the fabled Stupidest Man on the Internet, of checking his facts before going big with a story: REPORT=- Toby Reynolds Identified as Umpqua College Shooter - the Gateway Pundit.

Via Online reports—-

Toby Reynolds was identified today as the Umpqua College shooter.

Reynolds killed 12 people before being shot by police.

The shooting occurred on a gun-free campus with unarmed security guards.

Bzzzt! Wrong again, Jimbo!

Hoft has been taken in by the trolls of 4chan. According to NBC reporter Tom Winter, the person Hoft identified as the killer, Toby Reynolds, is alive and has contacted NBC.

This is just one more fail in the voluminous annals of Jim Hoft failures. I wonder if he’ll bother to correct it this time?

UPDATE at 10/1/15 5:54:24 pm by Charles Johnson
UPDATE at 10/1/15 7:13:08 pm by Charles Johnson

Tonight, Hoft followed up this massive fail by retweeting a post from an overt white supremacist:

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199 comments
1
Teukka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:38:22pm

Let’s see if SMOTI falls for the 2nd 4chan troll outing, using a pic of Trayvon Martin no less :(

2
Joe Bacon  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:40:12pm

I’m waiting to see what the other Usual Suspects will say…

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Great White Snark  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:40:23pm

Jim heard the call. Congratulations.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:41:36pm

And Dim Jim comes up from behind to snatch the SMOTI crown that was almost stolen from him by Steve Crowder

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:45:39pm

Is there a runner up SMOTI we can give Ben?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:45:43pm

Did no one warn Hoft not to hire CCJ as a stringer?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:46:36pm

HE GAVE SPECIFICS YOU LITTLE SHITNOZZLE

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:47:28pm

WHY WON’T OBAMA LEGISLATE???

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:48:39pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:50:14pm

“We don’t care if we publish first as long as we publish wrong.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:51:58pm

re: #3 Great White Snark

Jim heard the call. Congratulations. Embedded Image

Jim Hoft, the Captain Schettino of journalism.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:54:37pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:55:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:55:46pm

Looks like Jim just removed the other post from his front page, but it’s still there, uncorrected.

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EPR-radar  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:56:11pm

Using 4chan as a source for anything is ridiculous.

One might as well dive into a major metropolitan sewer line and seek insight from the crap that floats by.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:56:57pm

Name the victims. Name their accomplishments.

Fuck the base need, the reality TV need to identify the killer.

I know that’s inpossible, but

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:57:06pm

“Late term abortion” is not an actual thing you freaking little shitmonster

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bratwurst  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:59:29pm

Like the vast majority of Americans, I knew nothing at all about Kevin McCarthy a week ago today. Now he is quickly becoming a fumble mouth for the ages:

McCarthy Stumbles On Fox While Trying To Explain His Benghazi ‘Gaffe’ (VIDEO)

He claims “no one questions Trey [Gowdy’s] integrity”. I know I do, and I am fairly certain I am not alone.

Bottom line: McCarthy makes Boehner sound like Benjamin Disraeli.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2015 • 5:59:35pm

If you can’t trust 4chan or Jim Hoft …

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:00:30pm

re: #18 bratwurst

Good grief, what a fucking moron.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:03:21pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:03:54pm

Oh gah. I just had the misfortune of checking out FoxNews’ coverage of this story, and they are putting forth the long-since-disproven assertion that the shooter specifically targeted Christians.

As a bonus, they opened up comments for the story.
Said comments make what goes on over at Brietbart look like NPR in comparison.

A few examples:

Click to Reveal

wife1 1 minute ago
deport or execute all [bigoted word]s

tionibusLiberalis 3 minutes ago
I would like to draw a red line.
Around Obama’s neck.
Then to the bumper of the first passing truck

a1c3c0 9 minutes ago
I’m all for the government confiscating our guns. If the president would like to personally take charge, he can start at my house. MOLON LABE, Mr. President.

StopObamasWhiteGenocide 15 minutes ago
“Diversity” is Obama’s codeword for [hashtag]WhiteGenocide

texasaggie1984 27 minutes ago
where is LEE HARVEY when we need him?

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Skip Intro  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:04:46pm

re: #20 Jenner7

Good grief, what a fucking moron.

You don’t have to be able to think when you’re entire job has been to take payoffs from Big Ag in Central California.

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:06:28pm

re: #22 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I forgot Christianity was the only religion on earth.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:06:30pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

If you can’t trust 4chan or Jim Hoft …

Maddow is talking about the problem of reporting on unsubstantiated material, even hoaxes.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:06:46pm

This was planned by the shooter long in advance.

Read “Columbine” by Dave Cullen if you haven’t already.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:07:16pm

Just noticed in my last post - are you redacting racist terms now, Charles?
That first quote I added on my previous post didn’t have any editing done by me on it.

edit: I decided to spoiler the text on the post because some of it was pretty damned vile.

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Skip Intro  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:07:31pm

re: #24 Jenner7

I forgot Christianity was the only religion on earth.

It’s certainly the most oppressed one in the US, that’s for sure.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:09:25pm

re: #27 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Just noticed in my last post - are you redacting racist terms now, Charles?
That first quote I added on my previous post didn’t have any editing done by me on it.

Yes, but this didn’t just start - I’ve had those automatic filters in place for years.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:09:35pm

re: #27 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Just noticed in my last post - are you redacting racist terms now, Charles?
That first quote I added on my previous post didn’t have any editing done by me on it.

The N-word, the C-word, and I’m not sure what else, but those are redacted, yes.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:09:42pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:12:00pm

Gee, it was another white dude in his 20’s.

/shock

In this culture, mass shootings are a feature, not a bug.

Speaking as a former Angry White Loser who also owns firearms and has been on both sides of the MAH GUNZZZ phenomenon, I think we’re suffering the effects of a trans-generational masculinity crisis. There’s a lot of angry, fucked-up dudes out there who are feeding their hate with the internet. Reference points are being lost, the old world is slipping away, and there’s nothing to do but Crusade.

I see a twice-divorced suspenders-wearing fatass in his 50’s screaming and jerking his knees about his GUNZ, and I see a broke, friendless-except-for-4chan little misery-weasel in his 20’s buying a rifle to murder a bunch of people at random, and I see the same guy, separated only by testosterone levels and impulse control. It’s the same mental disease: Loserdom. Guys with no Status.

Nobody respects the chubby white Chrischun man anymore!
Nobody pays attention to me, the girls only go for the jocks!
The world has gone to shit! Fucking liberals! Fucking women! Fucking feminists! Fucking Muslims! Fucking everybody who isn’t me and doesn’t feel my pain! Soon they will, and I’ll be famous!

*blam blam blam blam blam*

The gun-lovers have one thing right: the hardware is just a tool. Along with access to tools, we should be looking at real questions of why American culture nurtures or permits such a pervasive, unassailable, elephant-in-the-room desire to USE those tools, over and over and over again, against crowds of vulnerable people.

Somewhere not too deep in the folds of Scotch-Irish tempers and Germanic resentment, right in the very DNA of White Guy Heritage, is an impulse to destroy others on zero-to-little-provocation, as an acceptable course of action. We build football teams around it, we form political parties based on it, Donald Trump is raking in 30% of the GOP on it, we spend billions of our own sweat money bombing people we’ve never met over it, and god help you if you suggest we stop.

We need to have a deep-shit beers-at-the-table serious sit-down about our national identity, but it can’t happen, because the very people who need the talking-to are the ones that just refuse to fucking listen.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:12:19pm

A testament to our collective character that no one knows there are filters on the nastiest words!

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:13:59pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Yes, but this didn’t just start - I’ve had those automatic filters in place for years.

Ok, thanks - I tend to avoid using outright bigoted terms as much as possible, and just never had reason to notice before, i guess. Decided it was a good idea to spoiler the whole thing as well because there was some really violent rhetoric in the posts.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:14:32pm

I’ve lived in Colorado my whole life, and I’ve witnessed some truly awful mass murders with guns. In public schools. In Chuckie Cheese restaurants. In movie theaters. In churches. To say I’m numb to these things may be an understatement. I still feel disbelief and sadness with these things, they happen too often though. We have a problem in this country. We have a gun problem.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:15:12pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Huffpo says the shooter is 20 yo.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:20:25pm

re: #36 Amory Blaine

Huffpo says the shooter is 20 yo.

Old news. They have identified him.

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Great White Snark  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:20:52pm

re: #32 Pawn of the Oppressor

+1 and faved.
Careful, you touch on the issue of “why are we so stupidly tragically violent at one another?”. Many want to take these guns and mental health issues as wholly separate and mutually irreconcilable. Some insist this urge is unknowable. Beyond resolution. Which fits media memes and soundbites quite well but I strongly disagree. We need to address every facet. Gun laws, better mental health resources, healthier attitudes that would shun rather than celebrate the violent.

Mentally violent at some extreme becomes criminally violent and the gun makes one man child as big and strong as ten. The insecure sense this and are drawn as the proverbial moth to the fire.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:24:12pm

Bibi is pissed.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:24:47pm
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:25:52pm

Harold Cook, A Texas gun owner, trying to reason with the unreasoning in 2013:

Nobody’s Going to Take Your Guns Away
Why we should get a grip on all this Second Amendment Hysteria

“…Sensible gun restrictions wouldn’t cause us to turn our backs on our glorious history, nor would they destroy the Bill of Rights. The modest legislative proposals currently under consideration are not the civil rights issue of our day. But they might help keep a lot of school children and their teachers safer.

I recognize that we Texans don’t like being told what to do—I don’t like being told what to do either. But in the unlikely event Congress musters up the cojones to pass the gun violence proposals currently under consideration, we Texans will likely discover that we’ll still be doing pretty much what we’ve always done, in the same way we’ve always done it.”
texasmonthly.com”

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Skip Intro  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:26:19pm

The NRA is going to have one hell of a Christmas party to celebrate their best year ever.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:34:13pm

We’ve already agreed as a country that there are limits on this whole “right to bear arms” thing. We don’t let people own fully automatic weapons (with very few exceptions). Things like grenades and rockets and artillery are pretty much right out.

Hell, most people agree that there are points where even guns should be excluded. Felons lose their rights and nobody seems to give a shit.

No, the problem only shows up when someone thinks that there is a possibility that they might lose their religious fetish gun. Because apparently somehow we seem to expect the people who should not have access to guns to rationally recognize this and give them up.

That’s the logic I see, anyway.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:34:47pm

Dim Jim just retweeted this==>
White supremacist so I’m putting it in spoiler tags.

Click to Reveal
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Great White Snark  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:35:54pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:36:40pm

Evening Lizardim from the wild north country. I saw the shooting crop up on Facebook, of all places, but couldn’t take time to ascertain more details until I arrived here this evening. How go things among the lizardfolk on this clear, cool, somber evening?

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:36:40pm

The obligatory Islamophobia is erupting from the usual sources:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:36:57pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:38:37pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

This is how conservatives are discussing the mass murder in Oregon today.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:38:50pm

Continuing my thoughts -

I know it sounds weird to blame Ze Germans for mass shootings, but I’m going out on a historical limb. Some of this is arguably bullshit, and I’m only stringing together ideas looking for a pattern, based on some of my experiences.

Reading Barbara Tuchmann’s A Distant Mirror about the 14th century, I realized that the idea of chivalry and “noble knights” was a whitewash. King Arthur, in a sense, is pure propaganda.

Knights were assholes. Imagine young men with land and money, who took funds from the local poor to run around on expensive horses in expensive armor to fight expensive wars which were probably kind of fun, given the times, all the while claiming that they were needed and that the really cared about higher concepts like protecting kingdoms and lords. The whole first Crusade was arguably launched just to keep them busy. They were DICKS.

And you know what’s really strange? When you listen to American Presidential Campaign rhetoric, these men aren’t statesmen. They’re running for Knighthood.

I am a strong man who will take up sword and shield to defend the honor of America. With my Broadsword fighter squadrons, I will slay the Mussulman and the Dragon, and restore the virtue of our maidens, and God and Christ in Heaven will smile upon us again! Just put me in charge of the purse-strings and I’ll make it happen. Vote for me, Angry Man, and we’ll totally fuck those guys you don’t like! TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG! HURR! It’s Teutonic knighthood they’re selling, not Presidency.

Another item - An ex-girlfriend of mine here in Texas attends a Church of Christ. She has one son, fathered by cheating in her first marriage. Her parents grew up on the Arkansas-Missouri border. She’s like a checklist of bad stereotypes in some respects… I’m not even going to get into some of the crazy shit she puts in her kid’s head, but he is fully supported in his playing high school football.

This young man told me that football is so popular in Texas because “It’s a way to get your anger out”. So I’m in a state heavily settled by German immigrants in the not-too-distant past, where the chief sport is now dressing up in armor and smashing each other to bits every week, as violently as the law will allow? Really? Hmmm…. See where my thinking goes?

This same cultural base is churning along, producing reactionary, angry men at every level. Men who are angry, men who play knight when they can, but can’t form posses and kill anybody because of those pussy liburls, men who get status from squishing others. And those men who CAN’T achieve that status in turn stew in their own resentments… It’s a vicious cycle.

“I should be This. I can’t be This, and it must be somebody else’s fault. Therefore I will form a gang and hurt those who stop me. If I can’t form a gang, I will internalize my hate until it makes me snap, and I will destroy the most vulnerable people I can get my hands on, even if it’s my own family. If I can’t achieve, I’ll make them grieve.”

I’m seeing the same Geist in every Zeit. I really think it’s all connected in our cultural bedrock somewhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:40:35pm

Ben put down the vodka bottle and go to bed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:40:50pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:41:07pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

This is how conservatives are discussing the mass murder in Oregon today.

[Embedded content]

This is ordinarily where I’d make the joke about flipping the desk and setting it on fire, but me and fire are not on speaking terms right now. The old brown Lincoln set itself on fire yesterday morning when I was preparing to drive it to work. Thankfully, the damage is limited, but it put it out of commission for the near future and I am very displeased. Fire bad.

[Sulk.]

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:41:08pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

Ugh… That’s the other downside of a mass shooting. Everybody who’s on the edge of committing one flips, so they come in a wave. Goddammit. ><

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:41:15pm

On a less depressing note:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:41:38pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

This is ordinarily where I’d make the joke about flipping the desk and setting it on fire, but me and fire are not on speaking terms right now. The old brown Lincoln set itself on fire yesterday morning when I was preparing to drive it to work. Thankfully, the damage is limited, but it put it out of commission for the near future and I am very displeased. Fire bad.

[Sulk.]

I like how understated you are about this whole thing.

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dholmes32  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:42:19pm

I’m wondering if the way to get people to pay attention is to get into the NRA’s face.

I’ve suggested this before (not here, but on FB), but if I had a million bucks and health insurance, I’d get a van and a bunch of body bags. Every day, I’d drive up to the NRA HQ and lay out (stuffed) body bags labeled with the name of a person killed by a gun identified in the previous 24 hours. Every. Day. Sun. Rain. Shine. President. Pope. Wash, rinse, repeat. Lay the body bags on the sidewalk. In front of the NRA HQ/Museum. Which gets tour buses every day. And present the NRA with the fruits of its labors in the symbolic bodies of dead people.

I just think back to the ActUp people and they got great things done for AIDS treatment when they stopped playing nice. I think it’s time to take the fight to the NRA.

I can’t do this myself, though, because I need a job with decent health insurance to cover my pre-existing conditions. But if someone wants to take this on as a mission, because we have a Serious Public Health Crisis, be my guest.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:43:45pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

This is ordinarily where I’d make the joke about flipping the desk and setting it on fire, but me and fire are not on speaking terms right now. The old brown Lincoln set itself on fire yesterday morning when I was preparing to drive it to work. Thankfully, the damage is limited, but it put it out of commission for the near future and I am very displeased. Fire bad.

[Sulk.]

Nooooooo! That big boat of a car. Bust of luck going forward, fwiend!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:43:51pm

re: #56 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like how understated you are about this whole thing.

There’s a lot bigger things to worry about in the world today. No serious harm was done to person or machine, and despite how frustrating this week has been, it’s nothing compared to the grief and pain of the victims’ families today.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:44:32pm

re: #59 thedopefishlives

There’s a lot bigger things to worry about in the world today. No serious harm was done to person or machine, and despite how frustrating this week has been, it’s nothing compared to the grief and pain of the victims’ families today.

I know, but I also know me. Let’s face it. I might be cool and collected in the face of the actual emergency but afterwards I’m going to pull my hair out and relive it 40 times to different people.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:44:43pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Nooooooo! That big boat of a car. Bust of luck going forward, fwiend!

I can fix it. It’s just going to take money I don’t currently have. I was pulling into a gas station when it happened, so I grabbed an extinguisher and got it pretty much right away.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:45:18pm
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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:45:54pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

Oh no, with all the work you’ve been doing on it. Sorry for the setback. You can rebuild it. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:46:29pm

re: #50 Pawn of the Oppressor

Medieval knights could exist only on the backs of their vassals and serfs. They were part of the 1% back then. Knights were spoiled rich guys used to getting their way. Nowadays, we call them trust fund babies.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:46:46pm

re: #60 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I know, but I also know me. Let’s face it. I might be cool and collected in the face of the actual emergency but afterwards I’m going to pull my hair out and relive it 40 times to different people.

I’ve been finding ways to make it humorous, but it’s definitely been a topic of conversation for me today. The reactions would probably be worth capturing on video.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:47:19pm

I was in a car that caught fire while at the drive-thru window at KFC about 25 years ago.

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calochortus  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:47:53pm

re: #50 Pawn of the Oppressor

My one quibble with your analysis is that “knights errant” were very often younger sons and random young men without prospects, rather than the rich and powerful. Nothing to lose, touchy about their honor-just like a lot of men today. Tournaments were a way for the local lords to keep them occupied and out of other trouble, and for the knights themselves it gave them a chance to gain glory and the other guy’s stuff if they beat someone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:47:58pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

This is ordinarily where I’d make the joke about flipping the desk and setting it on fire, but me and fire are not on speaking terms right now. The old brown Lincoln set itself on fire yesterday morning when I was preparing to drive it to work. Thankfully, the damage is limited, but it put it out of commission for the near future and I am very displeased. Fire bad.

[Sulk.]

Let me guess: fuel leak near the exhaust manifold.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:49:22pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:49:37pm

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Let me guess: fuel leak near the exhaust manifold.

Nope. Directly on top of the distributor. I opened the hood and was surprised to be greeted by the sight of my cap and plug wires burning with rich, nasty, plastic-y smoke. (The fuel filter runs adjacent to and somewhat above the distributor on its way to the carburetor.)

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:50:42pm

And there’s this:

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:51:27pm

re: #71 Jenner7

And there’s this:

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Oh Lord. It doesn’t get much more “pasty white terrorist” than the IRA.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:52:21pm

re: #71 Jenner7

From the article:

An online dating profile, linked to Harper-Mercer’s e-mail address and featuring another photo of him, says the 26-year-old was living with his parents and searching for the “yin to my yang.” It identifies his views as “conservative, republican,” and lists “organized religion” as one of his “dislikes.”

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:52:52pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

From the article:

You can bet the right wing will do everything they can to bury that, shout it down, and find some way to cast him as a liberal.

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:53:16pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

From the article:

Ah, so one of those magical liberal Libertarians

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:53:16pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:53:18pm

I don’t intend to paint a bleak picture of all white men as dangerous, violent animals. And it’s not limited to European culture either. ISIS, for example, in my view is pure tribal masculinity run riot with no limits and a healthy dose of religious apocalyptic nihilism for motivation. “Form a club! Get some guns! Own women! Cut off heads, kill gays, machine-gun your bothersome neighbors! IT’S AWESOME!” The whole gang is top-heavy with guys in their 20’s and stupid, stupid young girls who love bad boys. They are the New Kids On The Block of murder, and they know it.

…If they had any business sense, they’d open a resort and big-game hunting preserve with infidels instead of animals, and charge $600 a night to kill people with heavy weapons. If they hung a cross over the door and stocked the land with gay people, they’d be advertising in the back of Outdoor Life by now… //dark

However the more time goes by, the more the population goes up, the more I hear the absolutely unceasing rhetoric from our right wing which hasn’t changed in tone or content since the 1830’s - “Oh my balls! Oh my sacred honor! Oh, fuck you, I’ma kill you all now! YOU WON’T REPLACE ME!!” *shakes fist*!!! …The more I think it’s just something fundamentally wrong in the male side of the human species. I’m sure books have been written on this elsewhere.

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calochortus  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:54:09pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

You can bet the right wing will do everything they can to bury that, shout it down, and find some way to cast him as a liberal.

Well, of course. I think we all know that all mass murders are liberals, therefore this guy must be a liberal. It’s just basic logic.
//

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:55:13pm

Gah the “False Flaggers” are overrunning Teh Twitters.

I wonder how many of these are just bots

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:55:20pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

Interesting stats when you google (yes, they’re wikipedia with references in the pages):

Cars: en.wikipedia.org
Guns: en.wikipedia.org

Yes, it’s not exactly what he’s asking for because he’s trying to hide the numbers.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:56:05pm
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:56:10pm

re: #78 calochortus

Of course, Black Lives Matter supporters typically have online names like “IronCross45.”

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Scout  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:56:12pm

So let’s say, for the sake of discussion, this horrible creature in Oregon had used home-made explosives to kill all those poor people. For example, he sneaked into the school late at night and planted bombs in the classrooms.

Do you suppose there would be a groundswell of support to deregulate — rather than regulate — those ingredients? And loudly advocate that everyone should carry bombs around as a deterrent, and to lob them at anyone who threatens to set off explosives? And shout down anyone who says lots of people carrying around explosives is a bad idea?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:56:16pm

re: #70 thedopefishlives

Nope. Directly on top of the distributor. I opened the hood and was surprised to be greeted by the sight of my cap and plug wires burning with rich, nasty, plastic-y smoke. (The fuel filter runs adjacent to and somewhat above the distributor on its way to the carburetor.)

Well, that’s a new one on me. Sounds like you’ll only need a new distributor cap and wires, and at worst, a new distro.

My fuel injected Reliant (actually, my ex-wife’s car) caught fire when something went wrong with the TBI and too much fuel got sprayed onto an overheating engine. We watched helplessly as the fire spread from the throttle body, along the wiring and fuel lines to the rest of the engine. The FD put it out, but the car was a loss by then.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:57:25pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

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IRONCROSS45?

Not just a little bit of Nazi Germany symbolism in that username, is there?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:57:58pm

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ouch. Yeah, I got lucky that an extinguisher was nearby. I plan on putting one in the car going forward. I’ll need a new distro, new fuel filter and lines, and it did get some of the wiring harness for the electronic ignition, so I need a new connector and to do some splicing, which is old hat for a computer nerd like me. It’s just a matter of time and money to get her put back together. Unfortunately, the fire did blister the paint on the hood, but it needed refinishing anyway due to an incident by a previous owner.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 1, 2015 • 6:59:00pm

re: #38 Great White Snark

Number three on that list is often neglected and super-important. There are thought patterns and learned behaviors that don’t rise to the level of life-affecting pathology—mental illness in the according-to-Hoyle sense—that mess people up.

It’s the shoal I run aground on: there’s not really a way to “fix” shitty culture. Stupid power fantasies, masculinity equaling aggression, honor cultures that demand retaliation for slights…really obvious shitty ideas that propagate violence…we can’t control the circulation of those concepts. In this day and age, acquisition of -bullshit- is even easier; people can self-educate, actively curate their world to listen to who they want.

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calochortus  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:00:35pm

Time to go do other stuff. Keep fighting the good fight.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:01:23pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

You have my sympathy. Maybe the setback is Fate’s way of telling you “Rat Rod.”

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:02:33pm

My kids told me today that if there is a lock down and they are outside, they are to run to one of the recess lady’s house that’s right next door. I first thought, damn, it’s sad they have to know that in the first place. My second thought was, hell, just run home! We live 2 blocks away.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:02:51pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Number three on that list is often neglected and super-important. There are thought patterns and learned behaviors that don’t rise to the level of life-affecting pathology—mental illness in the according-to-Hoyle sense—that mess people up.

It’s the shoal I run aground on: there’s not really a way to “fix” shitty culture. Stupid power fantasies, masculinity equaling aggression, honor cultures that demand retaliation for slights…really obvious shitty ideas that propagate violence…we can’t control the circulation of those concepts. In this day and age, acquisition of -bullshit- is even easier; people can self-educate, actively curate their world to listen to who they want.

I think number three is also a big influence in why we see things happen - both the planned long term things and the spur of the moment shootings - and like you say, isn’t something that rises to the level of mental illness that would trigger the loss of access to firearms, per what I interpret the standard position to be. And yet we somehow expect people to be rational in the face of this and voluntarily give up their access to guns in a culture that ruthlessly doubles down on how their access is their right and indeed their only defense against a tyranny that wants to take those weapons away.

I’d also like a unicorn.

(Why is it a unicorn and not an unicorn? Food for thought.)

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:03:31pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

Absolutely classic. He was probably very certain of everything except exactly why he was still living at home, broke, and had no girlfriend, four years shy of being thirty.

Been there, done that.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:03:36pm

re: #89 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You have my sympathy. Maybe the setback is Fate’s way of telling you “Rat Rod.”

Mrs. Fish said, if it ever winds up becoming too far gone for us to repair, we should sell it to some kids to run in a Demolition Derby.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:03:39pm

Chuck Johnson has a post on this, and it’s totally batshit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:03:46pm

re: #90 Jenner7

My kids told me today that if there is a lock down and they are outside, they are to run to one of the recess lady’s house that’s right next door. I first thought, damn, it’s sad they have to know that in the first place. My second thought was, hell, just run home! We live 2 blocks away.

The second thought is good except then the teacher would have a heart attack trying to figure out where the missing kid is.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:04:09pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

He’s in the high risk group for this behavior.

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:04:32pm

re: #95 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yes, very true.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:04:41pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has a post on this, and it’s totally batshit.

Aren’t all his posts totally batshit? I was pretty sure on the 1-10 scale of crazy, he was somewhere north of “potato”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:04:55pm

re: #97 Jenner7

Yes, very true.

And that we are having this discussion at all is depressing as anything.

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EPR-radar  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:05:44pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Aren’t all his posts totally batshit? I was pretty sure on the 1-10 scale of crazy, he was somewhere north of “potato”.

The 1-10 scale for wingnuts needs to be in the exponent.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:06:14pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

The 1-10 scale for wingnuts needs to be in the exponent.

I thought it was logarithmic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:06:37pm

re: #86 thedopefishlives

Ouch. Yeah, I got lucky that an extinguisher was nearby. I plan on putting one in the car going forward. I’ll need a new distro, new fuel filter and lines, and it did get some of the wiring harness for the electronic ignition, so I need a new connector and to do some splicing, which is old hat for a computer nerd like me. It’s just a matter of time and money to get her put back together. Unfortunately, the fire did blister the paint on the hood, but it needed refinishing anyway due to an incident by a previous owner.

You got off easy, by comparison. If I had an extinguisher handy, I could have minimized the damage, but the car was old and I probably would have junked it anyway. Looking back, I wonder if the catalytic converter was plugged. I remember the car started getting sluggish, despite my pressing the gas pedal further and further. At the time, we were about 10 minutes from home and I was trying to get the old boat those last few miles. Oh, well.

Those K cars, though, were pretty reliable if stodgy. We were a Chrysler family for a long time, until the V-6s and their crummy cylinder heads put me off.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:07:07pm

‘Potato’ is above 9.5

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:07:17pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

This is ordinarily where I’d make the joke about flipping the desk and setting it on fire, but me and fire are not on speaking terms right now. The old brown Lincoln set itself on fire yesterday morning when I was preparing to drive it to work. Thankfully, the damage is limited, but it put it out of commission for the near future and I am very displeased. Fire bad.

[Sulk.]

Aww, man. That sucks. Hope replacement parts (if needed) are easy to find.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:07:36pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:07:53pm
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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:07:55pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:08:36pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has a post on this, and it’s totally batshit.

I think the Dylann Roof incident and this one are hitting a little too close to home for Chuck. Two white guys in their mid-20s and all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:08:51pm

re: #103 jaunte

‘Potato’ is above 9.5

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Off the charts!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:09:11pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Exactly! Why are individual mass-murders going off-scale high? Until the last twenty years, the worst school massacre was committed by a guy with a bomb in the 1920s. The first mass shootings started right after WW2. It hasn’t gotten any better. What’s going on?

Look at where we are now: Population and population density as high as it’s ever been, microcapitalism and macrocapitalism working overtime to squeeze every last buck out of everybody else, social media and be-famous-now culture wiring it all together, and it’s all hanging on a global media network where you can stew in your own hate juice for YEARS, getting support from a vast network of crazy people, and then when you finally snap, you can literally live-stream a murder to millions.

It’s like we’re taking every pressure factor out there and turning it up to 11 all at once.

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Great White Snark  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:09:14pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Number three on that list is often neglected and super-important. There are thought patterns and learned behaviors that don’t rise to the level of life-affecting pathology—mental illness in the according-to-Hoyle sense—that mess people up.

It’s the shoal I run aground on: there’s not really a way to “fix” shitty culture. Stupid power fantasies, masculinity equaling aggression, honor cultures that demand retaliation for slights…really obvious shitty ideas that propagate violence…we can’t control the circulation of those concepts. In this day and age, acquisition of -bullshit- is even easier; people can self-educate, actively curate their world to listen to who they want.

thanks and well gotta find the problem first right?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:09:52pm

It’s pretty sad that we know the name of the killer before we know the names of any of the victims.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:10:06pm

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think the Dylann Roof incident and this one are hitting a little too close to home for Chuck. Two white guys in their mid-20s and all.

At least UpChuck is (theoretically) married. The whole “no girlfriend” thing seems to be a sticking point for a number of our homegrown terrorists.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:10:17pm

re: #90 Jenner7

My kids told me today that if there is a lock down and they are outside, they are to run to one of the recess lady’s house that’s right next door. I first thought, damn, it’s sad they have to know that in the first place. My second thought was, hell, just run home! We live 2 blocks away.

My Mom told me the same thing back in grade school when they were going to put cardboard tags around our necks and load us all on school busses to race the shockwave up into the mountains—line of sight all the way—in the event of a nuclear attack. “Just slip away and come on home.” We lived about 3 blocks away, too.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:11:11pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

At least UpChuck is (theoretically) married. The whole “no girlfriend” thing seems to be a sticking point for a number of our homegrown terrorists.

By all accounts, his wife is a RWNJ, too. Who knows what they talk about at home.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:12:06pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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So a grainy, non-color-balanced photo is evidence for a person’s race. Got it.

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:12:56pm

Oliver is on one…and it’s righteous….

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:15:08pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Weekly duck-and-cover drills were a part of childhood during the Fifties. They never did make plans about what to do afterwards. That made sense because, even at six years old, we knew that if the Russians nuked the nearby Navy base, hiding under our desks just meant that the last thing we would ever see was dried gum.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:16:06pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:16:09pm

re: #114 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My Mom told me the same thing back in grade school when they were going to put cardboard tags around our necks and load us all on school busses to race the shockwave up into the mountains—line of sight all the way—in the event of a nuclear attack. “Just slip away and come on home.” We lived about 3 blocks away, too.

You can’t race a shock wave and expect to win. Seriously, those civil defense drills of the ’50s and ’60s were mostly for show.

First grade for me was in a small school building right next to a mothballed Nike missile base. This was in 1962. If that whole Cuban thing had gone bad, we’d have been vaporized and no amount of hiding under our desks was going to prevent that.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:16:24pm

re: #83 Scout

There’s a metric shit-ton of laws on the books when it comes to explosives of all types, as well as laws for precursor chemicals used in making high-energy chemical weapons. I’d seriously doubt you would see any deregulation of such chemicals, much like you wouldn’t find any deregulation of precursor chemicals that would be used to create various neuro/hemotoxins.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:16:49pm

re: #119 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Weekly duck-and-cover drills were a part of childhood during the Fifties. They never did make plans about what to do afterwards. That made sense because, even at six years old, we knew that if the Russians nuked the nearby Navy base hiding under our desks just meant that the last thing we would ever see was dried gum.

Can’t help thinking of the movie Matinee.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:17:28pm

re: #122 Eric The Fruit Bat

Which is why the insistence that guns are, if anything, too regulated in the wake of mass shootings is so incredibly stupid. That was the point, I think.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:18:27pm

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Anybody know when he goes before the court in CCJ vs. Gawker?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:18:35pm

Who would have thought it?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:19:02pm

re: #86 thedopefishlives

Ouch. Yeah, I got lucky that an extinguisher was nearby. I plan on putting one in the car going forward. I’ll need a new distro, new fuel filter and lines, and it did get some of the wiring harness for the electronic ignition, so I need a new connector and to do some splicing, which is old hat for a computer nerd like me. It’s just a matter of time and money to get her put back together. Unfortunately, the fire did blister the paint on the hood, but it needed refinishing anyway due to an incident by a previous owner.

{{fishmobile}}

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:19:54pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Who would have thought it?

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Another shooting, another argument that the only thing keeping millions of Americans from shooting their fellow Americans is a belief in an eternal punishment in the afterlife.

Oy vey.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:20:20pm

re: #125 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anybody know when he goes before the court in CCJ vs. Gawker?

Deadline is tomorrow, your time. Here in China, it’s already tomorrow. (10/2)

His attorneys will respond to Gawker’s motion to dismiss. I’m not sure if CCJ needs to be there.

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Skip Intro  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:20:46pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Bill O’Reilly? Isn’t he the guy who dragged his wife down the stairs in front of his daughter?

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:21:03pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Just looked at this. Yikes!

And I quote from the first sentence, “At long last here is a photo…”

UpChuck is a fucking sociopath.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:22:28pm

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Deadline is tomorrow, your time. Here in China, it’s already tomorrow. (10/2)

Which means Friday is almost upon us!

Took the kittens to the vet this morning. All three. In the past we’ve managed to do this with two cat carriers but not this morning, no. Problem Child managed to escape and did NOT want to go back in, to the point where we were worried about injury to the other kittens. So I went off to the vet with the two caged kittens while mr. klys went to buy a third cat carrier and bring Problem Child afterwards. (All is well, except they continue to gain weight. Sigh.)

I was just rewarded with some of the most vile smelling cat poop known to human kind.

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Scout  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:23:13pm

re: #122 Eric The Fruit Bat

You’re right, of course.

I was just trying to show how dumb I consider the lack of effective regulations on firearms to be. And my dismay with the people who don’t want effective regulations on firearms.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:23:44pm

re: #132 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I had to scramble for some cat food after realizing that my feline overlords had finished their food bag 2 days ago and that meant their bowls would be empty. Then I go downstairs to find out that they pushed one of their food bowls behind my desk, where I cannot retrieve it. Brilliant animals.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:24:51pm

re: #134 thedopefishlives

I had to scramble for some cat food after realizing that my feline overlords had finished their food bag 2 days ago and that meant their bowls would be empty. Then I go downstairs to find out that they pushed one of their food bowls behind my desk, where I cannot retrieve it. Brilliant animals.

The cats are conspiring against us. Why, they managed to almost take out Backwoods_Sleuth yesterday!

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No Depression  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:27:54pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Who would have thought it?

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Sounds trite but it’s true.

No, it just sounds trite.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:28:07pm

re: #131 teleskiguy

Just looked at this. Yikes!

And I quote from the first sentence, “At long last here is a photo…”

UpChuck is a fucking sociopath.

His headline is off, too. “26-year-old Muslim killer” could be read to mean the guy kills Muslims.

The article is a total FAIL.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:29:02pm

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His headline is off, too. “26-year-old Muslim killer” could be read to mean the guy kills Muslims.

The article is a total FAIL.

Wait. “26-year-old Muslim killer” is his headline, and he’s talking about the killer’s race with the photo? EPIC FAIL. Muslim is not a race, you douchecanoe.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:34:09pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Wait. “26-year-old Muslim killer” is his headline, and he’s talking about the killer’s race with the photo? EPIC FAIL. Muslim is not a race, you douchecanoe.

“26-year-old Muslim.” Somebody said it online. Now it doesn’t matter that it’s obviously totally untrue, it’s set in stone. Another Muslim terrorist attack in the series orchestrated by Obama to impose Sharia Law.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:35:37pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Wait. “26-year-old Muslim killer” is his headline, and he’s talking about the killer’s race with the photo? EPIC FAIL. Muslim is not a race, you douchecanoe.

I suspect CCJ is trying to “get a scoop,” which in his mind means being first with any information about a story, even if the info is wrong.

heavy.com reprinted the shooter’s dating profile, in which he describes himself as “mixed race.” And he specifically says he’s not religious. heavy.com

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No Depression  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:36:08pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Wait. “26-year-old Muslim killer” is his headline, and he’s talking about the killer’s race with the photo? EPIC FAIL. Muslim is not a race, you douchecanoe.

Vaguely brownish-looking = Muslim. /

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:38:35pm

Have any media reported on the shooter’s race? UpChuck says Harper-Mercer was identified as white, but I don’t see that anywhere.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:39:20pm

It’s just obvious the guns everywhere types have not and will not think through the scenarios they have constructed in their heads. It’s like their book ends with John Smith-Wesson standing on the mountain, making a shooting motion with his finger, and somehow glory will follow afterwards.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:39:41pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I suspect CCJ is trying to “get a scoop,” which in his mind means being first with any information about a story, even if the info is wrong.

heavy.com reprinted the shooter’s dating profile, in which he describes himself as “mixed race.” And he specifically says he’s not religious.

Yet somehow he’ll end up “black”, while Shaun King isn’t black (enough) to be against cops killing black people for fun.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:39:46pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Have any media reported on the shooter’s race? UpChuck says Harper-Mercer was identified as white, but I don’t see that anywhere.

Well, if that dating site profile is accurate, he identified as mixed race, Conservative, and Republican.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:40:38pm

re: #143 Belafon

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It’s just obvious the guns everywhere types have not and will not think through the scenarios they have constructed in their heads. It’s like their book ends with John Smith-Wesson standing on the mountain, making a shooting motion with his finger, and somehow glory will follow afterwards.

They think it’ll be like the movies, where the bad guys always miss, giving the good guys enough time to pull their guns and shoot, miraculously killing the enemy without hitting any innocents.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:42:21pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

They think it’ll be like the movies, where the bad guys always miss, giving the good guys enough time to pull their guns and shoot, miraculously killing the enemy without hitting any innocents.

I blame Star Wars.//

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:42:45pm

re: #147 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I blame Star Wars.//

HOW DARE YOU. I’ll get you with my lightsaber for that.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:43:24pm

Not sure if this is real or a photoshop.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:43:31pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

It’s pretty sad that we know the name of the killer before we know the names of any of the victims.

I read that they were all women…

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:43:46pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Not sure if this is real or a photoshop.

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The fact that you even have to ask that question speaks volumes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:43:49pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, if that dating site profile is accurate, he identified as mixed race, Conservative, and Republican.

I think CCJ is only imagining the media have labeled Harper-Mercer as white, so he can work in his “brown people are evil and violent” and “I’m always right” angles.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:44:15pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea Toujours

I read that they were all women…

Is this going to be like that guy - California, I think? - that flipped out because girls wouldn’t date “good guys” like him?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:44:25pm

Chuck Johnson’s mind is going. That post is completely whacked out even for him.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:44:43pm

Now as a gun owner and somebody who’s been on both sides of the NRA line, here are my thoughts on regulations.

- Minimum age to purchase a gun should be 25 if you’re male, and 18 if you’re female. I don’t know how this would work in the real world, but I think a little gender bias in the licensing and purchase regulations would help. Keep the tools away from that 18-25 killer male demographic. You want to shoot, boy? Join the Army (or the Militia).

- Mental health professionals who write a referral for anybody, should have that referral reported to the instant check system. College, workplace, private, doesn’t matter who they are, if they’re a licensed professional and they’re worried you’re violent, you ought to be flagged.

- Mandatory arrest and felony status for domestic violence convictions. You assault your wife or girlfriend, you’re a felon, and you’ve lost your right to own firearms forever. Period.

- “A Well Regulated Militia” should actually exist. I’m thinking something like European national services, or the National Guard, but you would be available for disaster relief too. Like a civil auxiliary force on the Swiss model, maybe. Some kind of membership or past service in this force would be the pre-requisite for owning a gun, or at least handguns. There should be a community service equivalent if you can’t do anything military-ish for health or religious reasons. Some states require you to pass training courses that include conflict resolution, details of the law, and a shooting ability test before you can carry a handgun, why not extend that to ownership in general? If you want to have deadly devices, you need to serve society and be available in an emergency.

- For those who want to own lots and lots of guns… A Collector’s License should be available but it ought to be pricey and it would have tiers. Handguns the costliest, old military bolt-actions from three or four wars ago, the cheapest. Storage and access requirements should all be strict.

- Handgun production needs to be regulated and capped. We’re drowning in the damned things. We have enough for centuries. If the military needs them, great, but they account for what, like 98% of shootings in the country?

- On that note, we’d need like the mother of all buyback programs. How to get the ones we have “off the streets”?

I haven’t thought about exceptions for things like teaching shooting, or shooting sports like skeet and trap (which I enjoy)… Or the proverbial and very real battered spouse/girlfriend/woman living alone… There’s got to be a way we can have traditions and enjoy the things we like about firearms, and have real self-defense, while curbing this wee little mass murder and crime problem we seem to have. And obviously laws are only as good as people who obey them, so the real impact will be in curbing the supply available to those who behave badly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:46:40pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson’s mind is going. That post is completely whacked out even for him.

The pressure of the Gawker lawsuit is getting to him. He’s going to lose, and he knows it.

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:47:08pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea Toujours

I read that they were all women…

Oh, no.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:48:59pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:52:53pm

weev tweeted UpChuck’s article.

*spit*

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:53:30pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:53:55pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:54:48pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

weev tweeted UpChuck’s article.

*spit*

It figgers. Within minutes, the entire RWNJ universe will identify Harper-Mercer as a black Muslim who specifically targeted white Christian women — their favorite nightmare.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:55:30pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Well, shit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:56:23pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea Toujours

From the article, there was someone on campus with a concealed handgun who did not get in trouble for it when he was searched by an officer afterwards.

Please, RWNJs, tell me some more about this “gun-free zone” there.

I can’t even begin to touch the other aspect of that tonight.

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 7:59:09pm
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William Lewis  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:00:01pm

As a gun owner as well, I note this that Dr. Lizzardo posted earlier about the Gun Laws of the Czech Republic.

en.wikipedia.org

These, I’d argue, are just about where our minimum should be. By EU standards, they’re still quite lax, many of the levels of licensing are “shall issue” if you are qualified but they still require a written exam, practical test, and physical/psych clearance by your doctor as conditions to be qualified. I’d consider that a major step forward to being in compliance with the “Well Regulated Militia” clause.

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Brian J.  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:01:49pm

There’s some actual good news from NOAA. It seems more and more likely that Hurricane Joaquin is headed out to sea after it finishes its sojourn in the Bahamas.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:03:48pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

It’s real. I just checked his talking points memo commentary transcripts.

billoreilly.com

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:05:14pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea Toujours

When I read the article, it says this:

Three additional victims were taken to PeaceHealth Sacred Heart Medical Center at RiverBend in Springfield, about an hour north of the site of the shooting. The hospital said on Twitter that the victims were all female and between the ages of 18 and 34, and quoted a doctor who said that an “army” of doctors and nurses had volunteered to help. The hospital later said two of the victims were in serious condition and one was critical.

It’s hard for me to tell if all the victims were or just those brought to that hospital.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:08:31pm

re: #169 Belafon

We’ll know more tomorrow.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:13:10pm

re: #169 Belafon

When I read the article, it says this:

It’s hard for me to tell if all the victims were or just those brought to that hospital.

It sounds like it’s referring to just the victims taken to that hospital. But it’ll be interesting to see what tomorrow’s news brings.

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Great White Snark  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:15:15pm

Would some eclectic guitar music lift anyones mood? This collabo is new to me but as a fan of Carlos Santana I find this to be a real delight this evening.

Video

Carlos Santana and John McLaughlin. Early fusion jazz and Santana. Kinda smooths out the day.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:21:26pm

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah from last night was pretty good. I thought his interview with Chris Christie was effective enough. Dude has taped four episodes as of tonight. After watching Noah interview Christie I think he can pull this off. Noah seems genuinely curious and well-read. Let’s see over time if he’s funny, too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:26:38pm

re: #166 William Lewis

I’d like the license to require renewal as well, including updates on the physical/psych signoffs.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:29:21pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:30:30pm

Thank you Pawn of the Oppressor for your insights tonight. Good stuff.

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:33:02pm

Morons

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:34:22pm

re: #177 Kragar

There were even people interviewed who were on campus and carrying concealed. Sigh.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:36:08pm

Good night, ye of the reptilian persuasion. I shall see you all on the morrow, probably.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:36:32pm

…apparently he couldn’t find another source beyond DimJim? Really?

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:40:07pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:41:04pm

Mental health break, courtesy of an @AndyRichter retweet.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:42:27pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

Thank you Pawn of the Oppressor for your insights tonight. Good stuff.

Thanks, I’ll take that with pride for our resident deep-thinking man of the slopes :)

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:46:37pm

re: #183 Pawn of the Oppressor

Thanks, I’ll take that with pride for our resident deep-thinking man of the slopes :)

Aww. Much obliged!

And don’t forget darthstar! He’s totally a “man of the slopes” and he’s got a one-up on me, he’s also a man of the ocean. I can count how many times I’ve seen the ocean with my fingers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:51:57pm

GotNwes fed the hamsters enough to produce a new scoop.

BREAKING! CONFIRMED!! Chris Harper-Mercer was 26-year-old suspect in #UCCShooting

Thanks to the crack(pot) reporting of GotNewsDotCom (that’s the parody site, not this one), the now-dead suspect in the Umpqua Community College shooting was Chris Harper-Mercer, 26, who had several social media accounts. And guns.

That’s about the only thing GNDC gets right.

GNDC editor-in-thief Chuck C. Johnson says the media had misidentified Harper-Mercer as white. They haven’t mentioned his race at all.

While Harper-Mercer’s dating profile does say he was “mixed race,” Johsnon does not say how he concluded that Harper-Mercer was not white, however. Maybe it was his keen race-dar that clued him in.

More: gotnwes.wheatdogg.com

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 8:57:12pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:07:48pm
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:08:22pm

re: #186 Kragar

“…Here’s a good time to remind everyone that the Second Amendment was written by slaveholders before we had electricity, much less the kind of weaponry that would-be murderers can buy today. But sure, if you think it’s that precious, we can compromise: If you love Second Amendment that much, feel free to live in a powdered wig and shit in a chamberpot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, or the movies, or anywhere without worrying that some maladjusted man will try to get his revenge by raining death on random strangers.”
rollingstone.com

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:16:46pm
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:19:54pm

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

GotNwes fed the hamsters enough to produce a new scoop.

More: gotnwes.wheatdogg.com

Don’t forget that this asshole’s profile said he was a Republican. As sad as it makes me to find a shit like this in my party, at least there won’t be the usual cavalcade of people calling the killer a “registered Democrat”.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:24:38pm

re: #188 jaunte

Problem with that line: Even if you’re only talking about bolt-action rifles, of a kind that no one is talking about banning, you’re already talking about weapons that are far deadlier than anything that existed in the time of the Founders.

Other (minor) problem: Many of the Founders were not slaveholders: John Hancock was not, nor John Adams, nor Ben Franklin either.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:24:39pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Don’t forget that this asshole’s profile said he was a Republican. As sad as it makes me to find a shit like this in my party, at least there won’t be the usual cavalcade of people calling the killer a “registered Democrat”.

I suspect CCJ ignored the dating profile because it doesn’t fit his agenda to malign liberals and Muslims.

Also, rumor has it that the shooter was another Men’s Rights loon, as is Chuck.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:35:53pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it was complicated. George Mason, one of the authors of the second amendment, was opposed to slavery but not enough to prevent him from owning 36 people.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:37:12pm

I’ll leave this here for lizards to read and digest.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:44:33pm

re: #172 Great White Snark

I have lust.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 1, 2015 • 9:50:10pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Don’t forget that this asshole’s profile said he was a Republican. As sad as it makes me to find a shit like this in my party, at least there won’t be the usual cavalcade of people calling the killer a “registered Democrat”.

But there will be. He will be labeled as a “false flag Republican” infiltrated in to make the party look bad.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:07:01pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll leave this here for lizards to read and digest.

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I disagree very much with that article, but I’m going to wait till tomorrow morning, for its after midnight where I am. I’ll reply on the thread then current.

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meteor  Oct 1, 2015 • 10:52:00pm

I remember water guns and pillow fights as a kid. And toy lasers that went bzzzz.

:(

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 2, 2015 • 9:59:04am

re: #184 teleskiguy

I can count how many times I’ve seen the ocean with my fingers.

You got skills. Every time I see the ocean, its with my eyes.


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