With every passing Trump ragefest, it gets harder and harder to treat his supporters like actual adults—but Samantha gives it a shot.
Republicans, I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away from the @GOP & there will be an end to the horror. pic.twitter.com/u1DSPbUCRo
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
re: #2 goddamnedfrank
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I have a challenge for the GOP: Let us run the country for four straight years (like you were running everything for the first six of the Bush years). If we destroy the country, you should be able to take it over easily.
(Repost from downstairs)
Anybody listening to NPR? A major Republican strategist for Romney in 2008 (Scott Stephens (sp?) just said that if Trump is the candidate, the Republican conservative wing should split off into a third party.
Oofa!
Have to go off topic. My friend’s daughter is disabled and she has a chance to win an Adaptive bike to help her be more independent. I’m not asking for anyone to make a monetary donation. But if you scroll down, you can vote for her. Maddi is an awesome girl. :))))
Need to have a Facebook account.
Something I am noticing about the race for the Prosecutor in Cuyahoga County. The turnout for it is sky high.
The Democratic Primary has 136,999 votes, Senate has 123,209, and the Prosecutor election has 109,209 votes in total.
Punch Line: Both of the Prosecutor Candidates have more votes than Sanders in that county.
This is the LOUDEST, most belligerent “silent majority” ever seen in this country.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 16, 2016
re: #10 Stanley Sea
I think it’s fake. Am I wrong?
I think these are real people. They read Ann Coulter’s books and watch too much Fox News, just like their bigoted shitheel parents. The black fellow was interesting, he tied his head into knots trying to contort some sort of good reason why he should vote for The Donald™.
Fuck all those kids.
re: #10 Stanley Sea
it gets harder and harder to treat his supporters like actual adults
It is hard to believe, but they’re real.
re: #10 Stanley Sea
I think it’s fake. Am I wrong?
What? The video above? It’s the kind of stuff she used to do on the Daily Show. Most of the Daily Show reporters were used to talking to people on the other side of the aisle. Remember:
[Don Yelton] brushed off those suggestions, too, arguing that one of his best friends is black.
“Now you have a black person using the term, “N— this and n— that, and it’s OK for them to do it,” Yelton said at one point.
That prompted Mandvi to respond, “You know that we can hear you, right?”
And here I sit thinking younger Bernie supporters are annoying.//
re: #12 teleskiguy
I think these are real people. They read Ann Coulter’s books and watch too much Fox News, just like their bigoted shitheel parents. The black fellow was interesting, he tied his head into knots trying to contort some sort of good reason why he should vote for The Donald™.
Fuck all those kids.
re: #15 jaunte
It is hard to believe, but they’re real.
Seriously I’ve tried to watch this video 3 times. Never make it to the end. They are blowing my fucking mind that they are real people.
oh boy.
.@realDonaldTrump answered no questions from press during event billed as a news conference https://t.co/sDNqndQgRe. pic.twitter.com/2Rudq0NaPK
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) March 16, 2016
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Seriously I’ve tried to watch this video 3 times. Never make it to the end. They are blowing my fucking mind that they are real people.
oh boy.
Imagine being there.
re: #2 goddamnedfrank
Not likely, retiarius. I have a murmillo well-experienced in seeing off your type who is eager to face you on the sands of the arena!
/Roman riff
Trump is a dealmaker. The RNC could offer him something better than president, like a presidential library. Cut right to the good stuff.
— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) March 16, 2016
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Seriously I’ve tried to watch this video 3 times. Never make it to the end. They are blowing my fucking mind that they are real people.
oh boy.
There are a lot of people out there like that where you have to wonder how they manage to survive and don’t collapse under the cognitive dissonance.
re: #19 Stanley Sea
“Why do you think Mexico will pay for the wall?”
“It just got ten feet higher!”
They love the non-sequitur, because sane people stop questioning them.
There is literally not even a republican left in the race I would trust watching my drink at a bar.
— Dana Schwartz (@DanaSchwartzzz) March 16, 2016
Sanders might win Missouri, but Clinton is closing in. She is now just 9,000 behind Sanders.
Illinois is probably going to be called for Clinton soon.
“…On the core issues of taxes and spending, Trumpers are maybe a little bit more moderate than non-Trump Republicans, but the difference is small. They are still quite conventionally conservative in preferring low taxes and low spending over the opposite. There were some indications early in the campaign that Trump was going to take economic policy in a populist direction, but he ended up offering tax and health care plans that are pretty standard conservative thinking — in line with his supporters’ orthodoxy.The difference is that Trumpers are much less committed to social conservatism, in line with previous research showing that they are less likely to attend church and with Trump’s evident personal lack of commitment to religion. At the same time, they are more skeptical of immigrants and foreign trade — exactly in line with Trump’s stated campaign positions.”
vox.com
Something worth repeating.
Democrat does not equal liberal in many parts of the country. Not sure why we don’t get that.
— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) March 16, 2016
I consider myself liberal, but I’m not going to turn down allies in standing against Trump.
re: #28 Ziggy_TARDIS
St. Louis doesn’t seem to help all that much.
538 writer has found the Missouri has a history of borking primaries.
Guess what? The last time a single state had two primaries where candidates were within 1 percent on the same night was probably … MISSOURI! In 2008, when Hillary Clinton and John McCain won by a single point.
We don’t know that tonight’s races will be that close, but they’ll certainly be tight.
If you were wondering how Bernie Bros. were going to spin this night, wonder no more:
CNN just reported that Bernie again crushed Clinton among independents - a stat with potentially huge gen election implications for Clinton.
— David Sirota (@davidsirota) March 16, 2016
re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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The question is: Which ones would drink her beer and which ones would spike it?
re: #33 bratwurst
If you were wondering how Bernie Bros. were going to spin this night, wonder no more:
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Yawn.
Fuck this “silent majority” bullshit. Knock off this brain-dead whargarrbl, media. This is why your approval rating is lower than Congress.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 16, 2016
re: #31 Nyet
Right now, he is winning that county 53.9 to 45.4. 78 Precincts still outstanding.
re: #28 Ziggy_TARDIS
Sanders might win Missouri, but Clinton is closing in. She is now just 9,000 behind Sanders.
Illinois is probably going to be called for Clinton soon.
Just as soon as the votes from Graceland and Chicago’s other cemeteries is totaled up.
/Kidding
re: #28 Ziggy_TARDIS
Sanders might win Missouri, but Clinton is closing in. She is now just 9,000 behind Sanders.
Illinois is probably going to be called for Clinton soon.
Still a lot of votes to count in St. Louis, both city and county
re: #37 Ziggy_TARDIS
County yes, but the city was supposed to help (it’s separate from the county) and her lead there is just not that great at this time.
.@realDonaldTrump answered no questions from press during event billed as a news conference https://t.co/sDNqndQgRe. pic.twitter.com/2Rudq0NaPK
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) March 16, 2016
The media is selling our eyeballs for a mess of trumpery.
How #Canadian babies are born. Surprising eh? pic.twitter.com/aF8WGxeVya
— Bob Lehman (@fellowplanner) March 16, 2016
re: #40 Nyet
It’s 55-44 for the City. Problem is, there are only 40k total votes out of the city right now.
Thanks to everyone that voted!
Back on topic.
So apparently Bill Clinton has been wandering around Chicago and physically blocking Bernie supporters from entering polling stations.
They are serious. smh
And, back in the real world…
Argentina sinks Chinese fishing vessel, cites illegal fishing: https://t.co/EpVPRGelZH pic.twitter.com/Q79b814uKX
— CNN (@CNN) March 16, 2016
Just remember, single folks: Someone married Ted Cruz. You got this.
— Gabe (@widestance) March 16, 2016
re: #46 FormerDirtDart
That’s a hell of an international incident.
re: #44 Eric The Fruit Bat
Under normal circumstances I’d question how the colorful ponies acquired their doctorates in buttography, but…yes.
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Just as soon as the votes from Graceland and Chicago’s other cemeteries is totaled up.
/Kidding
You realize he’s talking about Missouri?
538 columnist weighs in on a contested convention for Republicans.
David and Carl, I think the #NeverTrump forces are also too disorganized at this late stage of the primary game. There was a lack of will to coalesce around Rubio back when he seemed like the golden ticket to Trump Neverland. Cruz has made many enemies among establishment Republicans, with Lindsey Graham going on a massive rant about what it would take for him to hold his nose and vote for the Texan. Kasich won Ohio tonight, but PBS reports that he would need to win 91 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination outright. I’ve been to many conventions, including the 2000 Democratic convention in Los Angeles, where police and demonstrators clashed violently, and a reporter friend of mine got accidentally clipped by an officer on horseback. If 2016 goes to a contested convention, I’m buying used riot gear.
re: #52 austin_blue
You realize he’s talking about Missouri?
The only reason Missouri is so close is the dead votes from Illinois.
re: #54 Belafon
The only reason Missouri is so close is the dead votes from Illinois.
That’s a great line!
Like this will work….
Donald Trump’s volunteer contract forbids all criticism of Trump for life
The contract extends down to the lowest levels of the Trump campaign, including at call centers, where people spend hours making phone calls to convince other citizens to vote for Trump.
2. No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member, or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from doing so.
3. No Competitive Services. Until the Non-Compete Cutoff Date you promise and agree not to assist or counsel, directly or indirectly, for compensation or as a volunteer, any person that is a candidate or exploring candidacy for President of the United States other than Mr. Trump and to prevent your employees from doing so.
Volunteers also sign a non-disclosure agreement, forbidding them from sharing any sensitive information from the campaign. What kind of information is sensitive or confidential is completely at Trump’s discretion, according to the contract.
“He’s apparently so afraid that people would say something bad about him after spending some time on his campaign that they have to sign some sort of agreement,” Perry explained. “I don’t see how this stands up. I don’t see how a court enforces this.”
Volunteers must also sign a non-compete agreement that extends until Trump ceases his campaign for president, identified in the contract as the “Non-Compete Cutoff Date.” The agreement also forbids volunteers from working for another presidential candidate, should they change their minds.
I can easily see another net 4,000 from St. Louis and 2,000 from the county and another 1,000 from Jackson county. I don’t see where she’s going to get the other 2,500 votes though unless the precincts that have yet to report have greater population or tilt more Hillary’s way than those which have already reported.
re: #46 FormerDirtDart
And, back in the real world…
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Also in the real world, we have Saudi Arabia in the city of Aden, Yemen, being bitten by the viper it has spent so many years nourishing:
Yemeni military forces fought to retake areas held by Islamist militants in fierce clashes Saturday in the southern port city of Aden, security officials said.
The clashes in Aden’s Mansoura district have expanded southward as civilians in the area fled their homes, while five civilians were injured from shrapnel and gunfire were taken to a local hospital, medical officials said.
Local affiliates of both al-Qaida and the Islamist State are fighting against security forces, with the fighters using heavy weapons in guerrilla warfare. A Saudi-led coalition started bombing Islamist locations in the city for the first time, the officials said.
Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State have exploited the chaos of Yemen’s 18-month civil war to expand the territory under their control in southern and eastern Yemen.
Al-Qaeda and Daesh want very badly to humiliate the Saudi monarchy, as they feel by such means the House of Saud can be weakened enough for a religious revolt that will make the “true adherents of Islam the guardians of Mecca and Medina.”
re: #33 bratwurst
If you were wondering how Bernie Bros. were going to spin this night, wonder no more:
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POTENTIALLY YUGE
Like Trump’s Vice President.
…and I don’t mean his VP pick
re: #52 austin_blue
You realize he’s talking about Missouri?
The last sentence of the post I replied to was “Illinois is probably going to be called for Clinton soon.” So my post did fit that sentence.
Shrug can’t win them all. Sirota fixating on the independent votes is stupid. She’s running for the DEMOCRATIC party’s nomination.
re: #58 Weaselone
I can easily see another net 4,000 from St. Louis and 2,000 from the county and another 1,000 from Jackson county. I don’t see where she’s going to get the other 2,500 votes though unless the precincts that have yet to report have greater population or tilt more Hillary’s way than those which have already reported.
Meh. Hillary got the delegates she needed tonight. As I have said before, Bernie pushed her to the left and did his job.
Well done, Bernie! But he’s not a Democrat, he’s not electable, and he has no coat tails.
Trump announces that he’s going to pick Sanders before even asking Sanders.
//
re: #10 Stanley Sea
I think it’s fake. Am I wrong?
No. I work at Social Security and I hear the exact same remarks from people I deal with every day…
We now take you live to @GOP headquarters. pic.twitter.com/p6wgDTSAsy
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
Dailykos is gonna be relatively rational and readable again starting tomorrow.
What’s not to like?
re: #65 Joe Bacon
No. I work at Social Security and I hear the exact same remarks from people I deal with every day…
I believe it too unfortunately.
re: #65 Joe Bacon
No. I work at Social Security and I hear the exact same remarks from people I deal with every day…
But they were young…I know it’s real. Give me time.
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re: #58 Weaselone
Or maybe she has it. Looks like she just picked up net 4K from St. Louis County. Only behind by a little over 5K votes now.
‘night all.
Finally just caught up to the current thread after a busy evening. Saw accountant about taxes, did laundry, cooked bacon and spaghetti squash (separately), and caught up on some bills.
Time for a goose nap
All threads need more bees!Love this
tonight, i went outside….
— fooler initiative (@metroadlib) March 16, 2016
and wished on all THREE stars of orion’s belt…….
for a brokered convention.
y’all…
what if it happens?
re: #71 Weaselone
Or maybe she has it. Looks like she just picked up net 4K from St. Louis County. Only behind by a little over 5K votes now.
And on the GOP side, Trump leads by a mere 2,111 votes (although with far fewer still out). Missouri loves to keep us up late.
re: #73 Feline Fearless Leader
‘night all.
Finally just caught up to the current thread after a busy evening. Saw accountant about taxes, did laundry, cooked bacon and spaghetti squash (separately), and caught up on some bills.
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re: #71 Weaselone
Have you been welcomed hatchling? If not, welcome.
re: #77 Stanley Sea
I think more than once, but thank you.
re: #56 Eric The Fruit Bat
It’s the 21st century version of the deal Faust made with Mephistopheles
Now down to fewer than 5,000 vote margin in Missouri.
On to next Tuesday, or Tabernacle Tuesday…
Arizona and Utah for both parties, and the Dems. also caucusing in Idaho. while the Reps caucus in American Samoa
re: #78 Weaselone
Welcome.
Dare you face the tonsilolith, and enter into the Inner Sanctum of the Lizard?
The Inner Sanctum of the Lizard also accepts cash.
And churros.
re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’d like to see Trump try to sue one of these folks during the general (assuming he gets the nod.)
Oh would it be glorious!
re: #84 FormerDirtDart
On to next Tuesday, or Tabernacle Tuesday…
Arizona and Utah for both parties, and the Dems. also caucusing in Idaho. while the Reps caucus in American Samoa
Arizona for Trump and Clinton. Utah for Sanders and Cruz. Sanders in idaho. No idea who for the R’s in American Samoa.
I just still cannot believe that Trump is well positioned to be the Republican nominee. Just amazes me. And then that there are people who actually blame Obama for the rise of Trump which is such a load of dishonest shit.
Someone is drunk tweeting:
The fact Sanders won’t go away is a major warning sign for Clinton’s campaign that should be winning handily this deep into primaries
— Reince Priebus (@Reince) March 16, 2016
CNN projects Hillary to win the Illinois primary.
I’m going to do phone calls for Hillary Tuesday. Never done it before, kind of nervous.
re: #92 bratwurst
Someone is drunk tweeting:
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Giggle Reince. So how does it feel having Cruz and Trump as the fwo finalists in that joke we used to call the party of Abraham Lincoln. George Lincoln Rockwell would probably fit in better than Honest Abe would now with your party’s voters.
re: #83 Ziggy_TARDIS
Now down to fewer than 5,000 vote margin in Missouri.
Cruz just 2111 behind Trump
re: #92 bratwurst
Someone is drunk tweeting:
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The Rinsed Pubis might want to figure out how our delegates work. It’s a plan he’ll likely want to steal for 2020, if the Republicans have primaries in 2020.
re: #97 Brian J.
The Rinsed Pubis might want to figure out how our delegates work. It’s a plan he’ll likely want to steal for 2020, if the Republicans have primaries in 2020.
He’ll probably be out of a job by 2020. Will rebrand for cash.
re: #11 Charles Johnson
. Trump supporters are “a silent majority?”
Silent majority, noisy plurality —- what’s the difference. It’s not like getting shit right is their job or anything.
I’ve mentioned before that I am part of CERT here in Rockwall. For most of the nine years I’ve been part of it, there’s been about eight of us that could be counted on to show up for things. Tonight we had an orientation for 15 new members that joined after our response to the tornadoes in December. We’re kind of giddy at the sudden expansion.
re: #91 HappyWarrior
95 Precincts. Almost half of them.
34 in Jackson County, and 40 in St Louis County.
re: #101 Ziggy_TARDIS
95 Precincts. Almost half of them.
34 in Jackson County, and 40 in St Louis County.
Yeah then still very much in the air.
re: #92 bratwurst
Someone is drunk tweeting:
.@Reince Someone’s hittin’ the sauce tonight! pic.twitter.com/zfVElu3EE8
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) March 16, 2016
re: #87 HappyWarrior
Arizona for Trump and Clinton. Utah for Sanders and Cruz. Sanders in Idaho. No idea who for the R’s in American Samoa.
Those picks make sense for the most part. The only question I’ve got is why do you think Sanders wins Utah?
Another bunch of precincts just came in, and Sanders’ lead in Missouri is down to 2,125.
re: #102 HappyWarrior
55-44.2 in the City of St. Louis
54.7-44.6 in St. Louis County
53.4-45.8 in Jackson County
All in favour of Clinton.
re: #7 GlutenFreeJesus
Voted. Good luck to her!
re: #92 bratwurst
@Reince sorry, but Clinton is doing better against Sanders that Obama was doing against her at this point in 2008.
— Lonnie Mask (@LonnieMask) March 16, 2016
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Those picks make sense for the most part. The only question I’ve got is why do you think Sanders wins Utah?
Utah’s small Democratic community is quite liberal IIRC and predominately white, two factors that have favored the Bernster so far.
re: #106 Ziggy_TARDIS
55-44.2 in the City of St. Louis
54.7-44.6 in St. Louis County
53.4-45.8 in Jackson County
All in favour of Clinton.
Yeah this is going to come down to the wire.
re: #110 Belafon
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re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Those picks make sense for the most part. The only question I’ve got is why do you think Sanders wins Utah?
They’re white. Their beliefs are not in line with national Democrats. They’re white. Caucus format, which means only the most motivated members will attend. They’re white. Lots of small, rural caucuses where he tends to do best. And did I mention that Utah Democrats are mostly white?
cbre: #89 HappyWarrior
I just still cannot believe that Trump is well positioned to be the Republican nominee. Just amazes me. And then that there are people who actually blame Obama for the rise of Trump which is such a load of dishonest shit.
Reality TV America.
Old LGF’er Cato started it, but called Obama the reality TV candidate, I believe he was off target and projecting. (see McCain/Palin) Obama has proved his mettle.
Trump is WWE/Reality TV en biggen. And general America has no idea, or patience for anything else. Score!!!
Let’s check in on how @Reince Priebus is doing. pic.twitter.com/s8VlwIMEse
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
re: #94 Jenner7
I’ve done phone banks before. Kinda hard. Must have script. You GO.
re: #108 jaunte
How did Reince get his job?
Good question. I forget who the other finalists were after Steele stepped down. I actually sort of liked Mike Steele. He did have one of my favorite ads of the 2006 election cycle. I mean if I lived in Maryland, I would have voted for Cardin but the eating or was it kicking puppies ad did make me laugh.
North Korea’s supreme court has sentenced a 21-year-old UVa student to 15 years in prison on subversion charges.
His crime? Trying to snag a propaganda poster to take home for a friend.
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s highest court sentenced an American tourist to 15 years in prison with hard labor on Wednesday for subversion. He allegedly attempted to steal a propaganda banner from a restricted area of his hotel at the request of an acquaintance who wanted to hang it in her church.
Otto Warmbier, a 21-year-old University of Virginia undergraduate student, was convicted and sentenced in a one-hour trial at the North’s Supreme Court. He was charged with subversion.
re: #116 FormerDirtDart
BOOM…
Clinton ahead by 2125 in MO
Oh, damn, this really is a bad night for Bernie.
re: #114 Brian J.
They’re white. Their beliefs are not in line with national Democrats. They’re white. Caucus format, which means only the most motivated members will attend. They’re white. Lots of small, rural caucuses where he tends to do best. And did I mention that Utah Democrats are mostly white?
The caucus part is another factor.
re: #122 goddamnedfrank
Oh, damn, this really is a bad night for Bernie.
nah, I’m seeing things, was Sanders by 2125
re: #121 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
North Korea’s supreme court has sentenced a 21-year-old UVa student to 15 years in prison on subversion charges.
His crime? Trying to snag a propaganda poster to take home for a friend.
I think I saw this kid on the news. Damn. Hopefully we can get him home but it’s going to be tough.
re: #111 HappyWarrior
Utah’s small Democratic community is quite liberal IIRC and predominately white, two factors that have favored the Bernster so far.
re: #114 Brian J.
They’re white. Their beliefs are not in line with national Democrats. They’re white. Caucus format, which means only the most motivated members will attend. They’re white. Lots of small, rural caucuses where he tends to do best. And did I mention that Utah Democrats are mostly white?
Thank you.
re: #120 HappyWarrior
According to Wikipedia, it took seven rounds of voting to elect him.
re: #128 jaunte
According to Wikipedia, it took seven rounds of voting to elect him.
Ah I wonder if that’s more or less than usual.
Well I got my first story critiqued by a bunch of people tonight. Need to work on my grammar- what a shocker but the story itself was well received.
re: #124 FormerDirtDart
That was from the rest of St. Louis County.
However, the remaining from St. Louis County and Jackson County are not done yet.
re: #56 Eric The Fruit Bat
Like this will work….
Donald Trump’s volunteer contract forbids all criticism of Trump for life
The contract extends down to the lowest levels of the Trump campaign, including at call centers, where people spend hours making phone calls to convince other citizens to vote for Trump.
Volunteers also sign a non-disclosure agreement, forbidding them from sharing any sensitive information from the campaign. What kind of information is sensitive or confidential is completely at Trump’s discretion, according to the contract.
“He’s apparently so afraid that people would say something bad about him after spending some time on his campaign that they have to sign some sort of agreement,” Perry explained. “I don’t see how this stands up. I don’t see how a court enforces this.”
Volunteers must also sign a non-compete agreement that extends until Trump ceases his campaign for president, identified in the contract as the “Non-Compete Cutoff Date.” The agreement also forbids volunteers from working for another presidential candidate, should they change their minds.
This is exactly the sort of thing a secure, confident individual does, right?
In very religious Springfield, MO, Cruz trumps Drumpfskind by a large margin.
Very religious.
The Republican race is the Show-Me State is also close, with Trump leading Cruz by less than 2,500 votes.
re: #126 HappyWarrior
I think I saw this kid on the news. Damn. Hopefully we can get him home but it’s going to be tough.
Oh, wait, there’s more! The kid is not that bright, apparently, or very desperate.
In his comments, Warmbier said he was offered a used car worth $10,000 by a member of the church. He said the church member told him the slogan would be hung on its wall as a trophy. He also said he was told that if he was detained and didn’t return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.
Warmbier, from Wyoming, Ohio, said he accepted the offer of money because his family is “suffering from very severe financial difficulties.”
What kind of church is this? The Blessed Church of Our Lady of Con Men?
re: #134 freetoken
In very religious Springfield, MO, Cruz trumps Drumpfskind by a large margin.
Very religious.
Oh so people who think Ned Flanders is too radical with his mustacherino.
re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Oh, wait, there’s more! The kid is not that bright, apparently, or very desperate.
What kind of church is this? The Blessed Church of Our Lady of Con Men?
And here I thought you had to at least kind of smart to get into UVA.
2,965/3,041 precincts (97.5%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
295,519
49.7%
Hillary Clinton
293,394
49.3%
Looks like the only votes left in MO are from Kansas City and St Louis county.
re: #135 Dark_Falcon
The Republican race is the Show-Me State is also close, with Trump leading Cruz by less than 2,500 votes.
It’s come down to Kansas City Cruz vs. St. Louis Drumpfskind, for the remaining districts.
There are a few more districts yet to report in St. Louis county than in Jackson county, but Cruz is winning Jackson county by a slightly larger margin.
re: #139 blueraven
2,965/3,041 precincts (97.5%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
295,519
49.7%
Hillary Clinton
293,394
49.3%Looks like the only votes left are from Kansas City and St Louis county.
I think Clinton walks away with a narrow win in the end of the night.
re: #140 freetoken
It’s come down to Kansas City Cruz vs. St. Louis Drumpfskind, for the remaining districts.
There are a few more districts yet to report in St. Louis county than in Jackson county, but Cruz is winning Jackson county by a slightly larger margin.
Anyone familiar with Missouri got a reason why Cruz may be popular in KC while Trump would be more popular in STL?
re: #139 blueraven
There is one other precinct.
Cass County has one outstanding. Sanders is winning it 52.1-46.8.
However, the County has fewer than 8k votes between Clinton and Sanders right now.
re: #143 Lidane
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Hillary wins Illinois. Credit to Bill for physically blocking 33,000 Bernie supporters from voting!
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re: #142 HappyWarrior
Anyone familiar with Missouri got a reason why Cruz may be popular in KC while Trump would be more popular in STL?
Kansas City and its environs are more rural and religious, whereas St Louis is more uban and commercial.
re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Eh. Hard to tell how cooked the statement is. North Korea may broadcast the confession overseas, but the real audience is the people on the inside.
re: #138 HappyWarrior
And here I thought you had to at least kind of smart to get into UVA.
The part about donating $200K to his mother in case the kid was detained would have put me off straight away. The people making the request were clearly willing to put the kid in danger of arrest for frivolous reasons. The student should have known NoKo has absolutely no sense of humor about foreigners (or their own people) breaking their laws.
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
Kansas City and its environs are more rural and religious, whereas St Louis is more uban and commercial.
That makes sense. I imagine the Evangelical presence is bigger in the KC metro area versus than the STL area which I believe has more Catholics. Haven’t really seen who’s winning the Catholic vote really in either party.
re: #142 HappyWarrior
Anyone familiar with Missouri got a reason why Cruz may be popular in KC while Trump would be more popular in STL?
They are very different populations. STL usually more conservative, as I understand it.
re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The part about donating $200K to his mother in case the kid was detained would have put me off straight away. The people making the request were clearly willing to put the kid in danger of arrest for frivolous reasons. The student should have known NoKo has absolutely no sense of humor about foreigners (or their own people) breaking their laws.
Yeah he really fucked up big time. I still hate the idea of an American citizen being locked up tehre that long. Damn though what an idiot.
Hillary by 1,199 as nearly all of St. Louis County comes in!
re: #151 retired cynic
They are very different populations. STL usually more conservative, as I understand it.
And DF is right: STL more interested in money.
re: #148 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork
Eh. Hard to tell how cooked the statement is. North Korea may broadcast the confession overseas, but the real audience is the people on the inside.
A fair point, but I’m hoping the Post checked the story before publishing the article.
Yeah, I know. I’m hoping for a magic pony here.
re: #89 HappyWarrior
And then that there are people who actually blame Obama for the rise of Trump which is such a load of dishonest shit.
How dare he give the Republican base the opportunity to show themselves for the hateful shits they really are! So divisive!
Not a single fuck given. pic.twitter.com/gCl2CLRGuv
— The Darwin Awards (@AwardsDarwin) March 16, 2016
re: #153 Brian J.
What site are you seeing that?
re: #154 retired cynic
And DF is right: STL more interested in money.
Ah okay. Interesting to see those little differences. Kind of reminds me of the Philly burbs versus Pittsburgh burbs dynamic in Pennsylvania. The Philly suburbs as I recall are more socially moderate but perhaps more fiscally conservative while Pittsburgh is the other way around. It’s why back in the day you did have a good amount of anti-abortion/anti-gun control Congressional Democrats from Western Pa and a lot of pro-choice/pro gun control Republicans from Eastern Pa. Hell you probably still do have some of that on the local level still.
re: #159 Brian J.
Thanks.
Buchanan County also has a precinct out. They are going for Sanders 53.7-45.5. However, they have even fewer votes than Cass County.
re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Oh, wait, there’s more! The kid is not that bright, apparently, or very desperate.
What kind of church is this? The Blessed Church of Our Lady of Con Men?
Catching up.
The Church of the martyrs to North Korea.
Weird
Hillary Clinton edges out Bernie Sanders to win the Illinois primary https://t.co/Khvph48pc9 pic.twitter.com/fh4WYMtxVt
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) March 16, 2016
re: #7 GlutenFreeJesus
Done. Hope she gets it.
STL is almost all in, but there are a lot of votes still out in KC.
Speaking of the Koreas, I remember my grandfather telling me that the coldest he ever was in Korea. I remembered that when I bitched about my first time outside in sub zero temperatures.
Axelrod says Sanders’ campaign outspent Hillary $12 million to $7 million, including $4 million in new commitments on Friday. The CNN pundits are now all but begging Bernie to stay in despite his 0-5 record tonight.
re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The part about donating $200K to his mother in case the kid was detained would have put me off straight away. The people making the request were clearly willing to put the kid in danger of arrest for frivolous reasons. The student should have known NoKo has absolutely no sense of humor about foreigners (or their own people) breaking their laws.
I think our gullible for a cause (esp religious) will go for it. And have.
And the State Department is involved till the end.
So it looks like a wash in MO. 28 delegates each.
Somehow this is a victory for Bernie. I can feel it.
re: #166 retired cynic
Missouri sucks at Elections.
re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus
So it looks like a wash in MO. 28 delegates each.
Somehow this is a victory for Bernie. I can feel it.
Dave Sirota spun it as more independents voted for him so that’s bad for Hillary in the GE. Nevermind that she’s seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party. And the independents will be likely faced with her and Trump which is a totally different game.
re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus
So it looks like a wash in MO. 28 delegates each.
Somehow this is a victory for Bernie. I can feel it.
That’s a sucker bet…by daylight, Bernie will have creamed Hillary according to the BernieBros.
re: #173 TedStriker
That’s a sucker bet…by daylight, Bernie will have creamed Hillary according to the BernieBros.
He won in some precinct that has gone for every would be President since 1888! // Not to be mean but that’s how I felt when I saw Kansas as Bernie’s silver lining a couple weeks ago. A neat coincidence but not one I’m seeing has any real bearing on the nominee.
The media can’t be trusted to do a good job. Sowing conflict is good for them. President Trump would be a bonanza for them.
re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus
So it looks like a wash in MO. 28 delegates each.
Somehow this is a victory for Bernie. I can feel it.
Missouri has 71 delegates, so someone will come out ahead, probably the winner of the state, probably 36-35 or 37-34… but it’s possible that the districts with odd numbers of delegates might split so that the vote loser gets more delegates. That nearly happened in Massachusetts.
I actually do like Bernie but some of his supporters really upset me with their arogance and their insistence that they are the only wing of the Democratic Party. There’s a lot of racial minorities in this party who are strongly supporting Clinton. This party is every much theirs as it is the white lefty prog wing’s.
Some of the KC precincts just came in and trimmed Hillary’s lead to 1,122.
re: #164 Lidane
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Get ready folks. Get ready. That shit is tame compared to what we are going to experience.
Trump on one hand being hateful obnoxious, xenophobic, goebbles.
Anti Hillary being misogynist & degrading
Wheeee.
re: #152 HappyWarrior
Yeah he really fucked up big time. I still hate the idea of an American citizen being locked up tehre that long. Damn though what an idiot.
Obama will get him out, and Republicans will attack him for whatever he did to secure the release. Count on it.
I’m just waiting for this whole thing to be over. If I can sleep knowing that a Republican won’t be president the next four years, I can rest easy.
re: #181 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate
Obama will get him out, and Republicans will attack him for whatever he did to secure the release. Count on it.
Of course, after they attacked the release of Sgt. Bergdahl, I expect nothing less from the Party of NO.
Bernie will probably stay in the race and that is fine. Keep on with your income inequality message, your campaign finance reform…but lay off Hillary!
re: #182 HappyWarrior
I’m just waiting for this whole thing to be over. If I can sleep knowing that a Republican won’t be president the next four years, I can rest easy.
The shit that’s going to be on TV in October…
The thought makes me wretch.
re: #175 KingKenrod
The media can’t be trusted to do a good job. Sowing conflict is good for them. President Trump would be a bonanza for them.
And like for Limbaugh, we’ll have AirAmerica or something return.
Because Money.
re: #180 Stanley Sea
HER VOICE, HER NON SMILE
Get ready folks. Get ready. That shit is tame compared to what we are going to experience.
Trump on one hand being hateful obnoxious, xenophobic, goebbles.
Anti Hillary being misogynist & degrading
Wheeee.
The misogynist shit is very real unfortunately and I’ve even seen some people on our own side try to deny it due to their own dislike of her which is shit.
Hillary wins every Ohio county with a large city by at least 10 pts: Bernie again stifled by probs w black votershttps://t.co/K5RT5zNypw
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) March 16, 2016
re: #185 teleskiguy
The shit that’s going to be on TV in October…
The thought makes me wretch.
I know. Agh.
Hillary’s lead now at 1,321 with all of KC reporting.
re: #187 HappyWarrior
Get ready. You’ve seen nothing yet. I am imagining. :(
re: #188 FormerDirtDart
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I’m honestly surprised. I thought Ohio would be closer. Not surprised she won but by the margin she did.
It’s over! At least according to the Missouri Secretary of State’s office. Hillary 310,363 to Bernie 308,808, all precincts reporting.
On the GOP side, bad hairpiece defeats Raffy Cross, 381,720 to 380,084.
BREAKING: Clinton is the apparent winner in Missouri Dem primary https://t.co/9GipVag0Gh #Decision2016 #PrimaryDay pic.twitter.com/B23ApqHWQd
— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) March 16, 2016
re: #190 Brian J.
The difference between Trump and Cruz is just 1,636 votes.
re: #195 Brian J.
It’s over! At least according to the Missouri Secretary of State’s office. Hillary 310,363 to Bernie 308,808, all precincts reporting.
On the GOP side, bad hairpiece defeats Raffy Cross, 381,720 to 380,084.
Wow really close in both. So yeah she did pull out MO in the end which she was unable to with MI last week.
re: #197 Ziggy_TARDIS
Actually closer than the Democratic contest in percentage terms (.175% to .248%).
re: #196 goddamnedfrank
Clean sweep. The fight is effectively over.
Also, the bad DA in Cook County, and the one in Cuyahoga County have been defeated by wide margins.
re: #198 HappyWarrior
I would love to know what the hell happened in Michigan.
Hi Hillary fans! Clinton has made showing love and kindness a big part of her stump speech. Tonight, show some to Sanders supporters.
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) March 16, 2016
re: #201 Ziggy_TARDIS
I would love to know what the hell happened in Michigan.
Higher youth turnout than usual, some pissing in the Republican contest to stop Trump, and probably some other odd stuff. My FB feed is going to be interesting tomorrow. I did talk to my brother. I think he probably stlil prefers Sanders for ideological reasons but he did express concern when I told him about how Bernie won’t campaign as hard for the downticket races.
re: #202 Jenner7
So we send videos of Come Together to Darth?
Eugene Robinson bringing up her email investigation.
C’mon…
This is why I stopped watching MSBNC…..
Changing the channel.
re: #94 Jenner7
I’m going to do phone calls for Hillary Tuesday. Never done it before, kind of nervous.
Don’t be nervous. If they’ve set it up like they did here, they cull the phone lists by targeted voters, so you’ll mainly be calling people they think at least lean Hillary. Mostly you’ll get no answer or disconnected numbers, but when you get live Hillary supporters, they tend to boost your spirits! (And, you should only be calling Democrats, so even the Bernie people who slip through are usually pretty nice.)
re: #208 Jenner7
This is why I stopped watching MSBNC…..
Changing the channel.
HGTV. No need to pay attention till the end/reveal. Donit.
re: #209 BeachDem
Don’t be nervous. If they’ve set it up like they did here, they cull the phone lists by targeted voters, so you’ll mainly be calling people they think at least lean Hillary. Mostly you’ll get no answer or disconnected numbers, but when you get live Hillary supporters, they tend to boost your spirits! (And, you should only be calling Democrats, so even the Bernie people who slip through are usually pretty nice.)
I one time had to do some calling for a GE. Mostly pretty nice people but man I remember one guy getting pissed and saying all sorts of crap about the candidate I was working for. Sheesh. I guess I shouldn’t be too hard. If Dick Black’s people called me, I’d probably be none too happy though i don’t think they would since there’s not a single even Republican leaning voter in my household.
We’re now going to cut to the Sanders campaign for a response to tonight’s events … pic.twitter.com/VKAHMlaO2a
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
re: #209 BeachDem
My Mom did phone banks from home and she didn’t connect with anyone.
Thanks for the info and encouragement. :)
My brother liked a post on FB, claiming Bernie was the projected winner or MO.
Yeah, about that…..
Well from the clown limo. We now have the clown truck cab.
re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White
My brother liked a post on FB, claiming Bernie was the projected winner or MO.
Yeah, about that…..
Oopsie.
Among actual Democratic voters in tonight’s primaries:
IL: Clinton +15
MO: Clinton +11
OH: Clinton +30
NC: Clinton + 32
FL: Clinton +42— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) March 16, 2016
Now bear in mind that 12 of the next 14 Dem Primaries are closed events.
re: #220 goddamnedfrank
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Dayum.
Charles Pierce is speculating on Esquire that Rubio’s beef with Jeb may have cost him big time and may even cost him in FL politics in the future. I just don’t see how Rubio returns to politics in that state after losing it in a presidential primary. I mean yeah Nixon did lose that 1962 governor’s race but Nixon was a lot more savvy politically than Rubio ever will be.
re: #208 Jenner7
This is why I stopped watching MSBNC…..
Changing the channel.
And then they did the handoff from the insufferable Nicolle Wallace to the obnoxious Steve Schmidt—ugh. They dump Melissa Harris-Perry and keep those two misanthropes. I find it unwatchable—even Rachel.
re: #224 HappyWarrior
I just don’t see how Rubio returns to politics in that state after losing it in a presidential primary.
Me either. The fact that he didn’t drop out before that happened makes me think he’s getting out for good. It’s a bridge he didn’t have to burn, and he did anyway.
re: #227 BeachDem
And then they did the handoff from the insufferable Nicolle Wallace to the obnoxious Steve Schmidt—ugh. They dump Melissa Harris-Perry and keep those two misanthropes. I find it unwatchable—even Rachel.
Two big elements of McCain’s epic fail of 2008.
re: #227 BeachDem
And then they did the handoff from the insufferable Nicolle Wallace to the obnoxious Steve Schmidt—ugh. They dump Melissa Harris-Perry and keep those two misanthropes. I find it unwatchable—even Rachel.
And it won’t help them, either, because MSNBC is now forever branded as ‘Librul’
re: #228 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate
Me either. The fact that he didn’t drop out before that happened makes me think he’s getting out for good. It’s a bridge he didn’t have to burn, and he did anyway.
I think the inside of the Rubio camp is after the inside of the Trump camp going to be the story I am going to read with the most interest when the inevitable books are written about this election.
re: #230 Big Beautiful Door
Donald Trump is Republican leaders’ fault.
He absolutely is. i am just getting fed up with the MBFs i know trying to insist that it’s Obama’s fault because something something. Of coures, these are the types that always find fault but never favor and then bitch about why no one takes them seriously.
re: #103 teleskiguy
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re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Those picks make sense for the most part. The only question I’ve got is why do you think Sanders wins Utah?
Because its very, very white?
re: #121 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
North Korea’s supreme court has sentenced a 21-year-old UVa student to 15 years in prison on subversion charges.
His crime? Trying to snag a propaganda poster to take home for a friend.
His crime was being stupid enough to go to North Korea for a vacation.
re: #211 HappyWarrior
I one time had to do some calling for a GE. Mostly pretty nice people but man I remember one guy getting pissed and saying all sorts of crap about the candidate I was working for. Sheesh. I guess I shouldn’t be too hard. If Dick Black’s people called me, I’d probably be none too happy though i don’t think they would since there’s not a single even Republican leaning voter in my household.
Canvassing, in my opinion, is a whole lot worse. Didn’t do any for this primary, but did some in North Carolina in 2012 for Obama. I only went a few times, but some of my friends did it every weekend—I tipped my hat to them.
Do remember one incident. We were with an Obama supporter who was really nice, but he warned us that we were probably going to run into this weird guy who had his car totally tricked out with anti-Obama crap. You know the type. When we saw him, we steered clear of the streets he was on.
Sigh, I know they mean well but grasping at delegate straws really isn’t something you should be doing after you go 0/5 including two states that are vital to the general election.
re: #237 Big Beautiful Door
Because its very, very white?
Lotsa young voters in Utah, Quiver-full philosophy.
re: #237 Big Beautiful Door
Because its very, very white?
Translucent even. Also along with Oklahoma just about the most conservative State in the nation. The Hillary hate will be strong there.
re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Oh, wait, there’s more! The kid is not that bright, apparently, or very desperate.
What kind of church is this? The Blessed Church of Our Lady of Con Men?
I’m thinking this story was invented by North Korean propagandists.
re: #239 BeachDem
Canvassing, in my opinion, is a whole lot worse. Didn’t do any for this primary, but did some in North Carolina in 2012 for Obama. I only went a few times, but some of my friends did it every weekend—I tipped my hat to them.
Do remember one incident. We were with an Obama supporter who was really nice, but he warned us that we were probably going to run into this weird guy who had his car totally tricked out with anti-Obama crap. You know the type. When we saw him, we steered clear of the streets he was on.
I have a funny canvassing story actually. I ended up canvassing in my grandparents’ old neighborhood. Where I went to college was very close to where my grandparents lived until my grandfather died. We didn’t canvass their old home though. Too bad because it would have made a nice story even if the family weren’t going to vote for our candidate.
re: #152 HappyWarrior
Yeah he really fucked up big time. I still hate the idea of an American citizen being locked up tehre that long. Damn though what an idiot.
He is a chip the North Koreans will eventually trade for something. You have to be insane to voluntarily go to that country.
re: #245 Big Beautiful Door
He is a chip the North Koreans will eventually trade for something. You have to be insane to voluntarily go to that country.
You do. My grandfather was drafted when he went there ha! Not knocking those who volunteered for the Korean War. It’s more a statement on how crazy the elements in the Koreas are that not a lot of Americans are aware of.
re: #220 goddamnedfrank
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But, but the kos berners are saying that we’re coming up on Bernie’s really strong states. And California has more than 400 delegates (and apparently they believe Bernie will win all of them). And everyone hates Hillary. And if you’re not a low-information or minority voter, you’re feeling the BERN. And anyone with a conscience or any kind of morality must vote for Bernie. And he’s a once in a lifetime person to save the country, and the planet…
re: #242 goddamnedfrank
Translucent even. Also along with Oklahoma just about the most conservative State in the nation. The Hillary hate will be strong there.
It’s my understanding though that the Democrats there are more left than not which would be good for Sanders. However, as you both have gotten at. It is a very white state and then it’s caucus which also favors him.
re: #197 Ziggy_TARDIS
The difference between Trump and Cruz is just 1,636 votes.
Complete shut out of Cruz. Very bad night for him. Trump is now very likely to win the GOP nomination before the Convention.
re: #247 BeachDem
But, but the kos berners are saying that we’re coming up on Bernie’s really strong states. And California has more than 400 delegates (and apparently they believe Bernie will win all of them). And everyone hates Hillary. And if you’re not a low-information or minority voter, you’re feeling the BERN. And anyone with a conscience or any kind of morality must vote for Bernie. And he’s a once in a lifetime person to save the country, and the planet…
There was a lot of that in the commentary section of 538’s post on results tonight.
re: #247 BeachDem
But, but the kos berners are saying that we’re coming up on Bernie’s really strong states. And California has more than 400 delegates (and apparently they believe Bernie will win all of them). And everyone hates Hillary. And if you’re not a low-information or minority voter, you’re feeling the BERN. And anyone with a conscience or any kind of morality must vote for Bernie. And he’s a once in a lifetime person to save the country, and the planet…
I just saw a version of this on Facebook. I don’t want to be a dick because the people posting it aren’t bad people but I just want to tell them that they’re really grasping for straws at this point. They really cannot accept that she’s well on pace to win the primary and it would take an epic collapse on her part to propel him to the lead. They may not like that but it’s reality. Bernie is a flawed candidate. I’m sorry but he is. His base is progressive whites. That’s a good part of a base but it’s not a good whole base.
re: #227 BeachDem
And then they did the handoff from the insufferable Nicolle Wallace to the obnoxious Steve Schmidt—ugh. They dump Melissa Harris-Perry and keep those two misanthropes. I find it unwatchable—even Rachel.
Completely agree. I can’t even stand for it as background noise.
Colorado is weird, yo. The Republican Party decided to not even hold a caucus this year. The Democratic Party pledged delegates to Bernie Sanders at the convention (stupid caucus).
And you can buy a quarter ounce of high-grade cannabis from someone across a counter and they give you a receipt.
re: #249 Big Beautiful Door
Complete shut out of Cruz. Very bad night for him. Trump is now very likely to win the GOP nomination before the Convention.
Perhaps Cruz tries to weasel his way back into Donald’s good graces to get VP?
re: #253 teleskiguy
Colorado is weird, yo. The Republican Party decided to not even hold a caucus this year. The Democratic Party pledged delegates to Bernie Sanders at the convention (stupid caucus).
And you can buy a quarter ounce of high-grade cannabis from someone across a counter and they give you a receipt.
It is a beautiful state though.
Prosecutor Criticized For Handling Of Tamir Rice Shooting Loses Election https://t.co/oBO0dIYVAW pic.twitter.com/nkyOpxpjxZ
— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) March 16, 2016
I like Robert Reich too but I think Bob misses that while probability says that there’s still a chance that Sanders can win. It’s a lot like the odds of me winning the lottery. Could I win? Will I win? Not bloody likely and that’s Bernie’s story.
re: #246 HappyWarrior
You do. My grandfather was drafted when he went there ha! Not knocking those who volunteered for the Korean War. It’s more a statement on how crazy the elements in the Koreas are that not a lot of Americans are aware of.
Though going to fight for your country is a tad different from going on vacation. BTW, thanks for putting me over 21k karma!
re: #259 Big Beautiful Door
Though going to fight for your country is a tad different from going on vacation. BTW, thanks for putting me over 21k karma!
Oh of course. Vacation in Pyongyang. No thanks, I’d rather go to Minsk! But yeah not a problem. Congrats. Seriously though, I don’t think most Americans realize how cold the Koreas especially North gets. I really hope in my lifetime those people can see a life without that oppressive regime but Kim Jong Un is so young.
re: #254 HappyWarrior
Perhaps Cruz tries to weasel his way back into Donald’s good graces to get VP?
Possible. Trump is entirely capable of ignoring his comments that Cruz is ineligible because he’s Canadian.
re: #260 teleskiguy
Tell me about it.
We’re very much an east coast family but it’s funny to note that four parts of my family have lived in Colorado at some point.
re: #262 Big Beautiful Door
Possible. Trump is entirely capable of ignoring his comments that Cruz is ineligible because he’s Canadian.
Being inconsistent hasn’t stopped him before.
re: #264 HappyWarrior
Being inconsistent hasn’t stopped him before.
And he’ll have to pick someone to be his Veep. I have no idea who. This seems so unreal that we’re talking about Donald freaking Trump being the GOP nominee for President. Do you get the feeling that the GOP establishment is hoping this is a nightmare they are going to wake up from?
re: #265 Big Beautiful Door
And he’ll have to pick someone to be his Veep. I have no idea who. This seems so unreal that we’re talking about Donald freaking Trump being the GOP nominee for President. Do you get the feeling that the GOP establishment is hoping this is a nightmare they are going to wake up from?
We’re also going to see advisers too so we’ll have an idea of who may be in a hypothetical cabinet. Yeah I think the establishment wants to wake up and Ronald Reagan is telling them it’s morning in America again.
re: #247 BeachDem
“And if you’re not a low-information or minority voter, you’re feeling the BERN.”
As a black person, I find this to be very offensive because it disrespects my intelligence. Those who are saying this seem to have no idea how much they sound just like GOP/TPers. IF they’re worried about Sanders not attracting a lot of black voters now, if they keep saying this, the number won’t increase.
@allanbrauer “Wait… you’re saying we might actually NEED the establishment?” pic.twitter.com/G167WWYVmN
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) March 16, 2016
Bernie has had a chance to expand his base. He hasn’t. It doesn’t make him a bad person or the issues he raises any less important but it does show his weakness as a general election candidate. And Majii is absolutely right. His supporters do not help at all when they insult people’s intelligence by suggesting they must be low intelligence or low information voters if they’re preferring Clinton over him. I’m happy that he’s gotten young people excited for the future of our country and I even hope that he plays a role in stopping socialist being lumped in with Stalinist or Communist in this country but you have to understand when you’re trying to get someone’s vote that calling them stupid is no way to do that. Tell me why you think Bernie will make a better President than Clinton. Their voting records which really aren’t that different anyhow isn’t a reason. Don’t attack Clinton for supporting her husband’s crime bill and ignore that your candidate voted yes on the same bill.
re: #269 Kragar
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re: #269 Kragar
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“Look, you should support me from the nomination because my ideas are more progressive than hers!”
“Except your ideas A) are laughably incomplete, B) will cause needless harm and injury, and C) will never become law so long as Congress remains in Republican hands, which you’ll facilitate with your brazen disregard for lower ticket races.”
“Well, my record speaks for itself!”
“You’ve been in Congress for the better part of 30 years, 10 of them in the Senate, yet you’ve only got your name on three bills that were signed into law. And two of them were renaming post offices. You’ve railed against bills that you actually voted for, lied about votes for bills that have now become inconvenient, and have virtually no support from people who’ve known you for decades.”
“WELL HILLARY’S CONNECTED TO WALL STREET!”
“AND YOU’RE CONNECTED TO THE NRA!”
mr. klys and I went out for dinner tonight, to one of our normal places, and ran into a regular at the bar who we’ve chatted with a few times before. He asked if I had seen the primary results and we had a nice conversation for a bit about a) what the fuck is going on with the Republican party and b) that we will both happily vote Democrat no matter what in the general.
I got the feeling he leaned a little more towards Bernie (Hillary = Wall Street and that’s bad) and I countered a little bit with some of my concerns (centered totally on the candidate, like the lack of downticket support that has happened, that a vote against Iraq does not make a foreign policy, etc.). We both expressed satisfaction that income inequality is an issue getting discussed.
I’m honestly fine if Bernie wants to stay in the race and keep bringing attention to the issue, but the writing is on the wall so maybe cut back some on the negative attacks? Yes? I think that’s something we can all agree on?
re: #273 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Oh, and there was the point about how minorities have been one of the backbones of the Democrat party so when they have an issue, I should probably listen and pay attention.
That one did seem to register too.
I still think Bernie’s fall from grace moment was the data breach and his responding to it not with a mea culpa or a diplomatic overture, but instead suing the DNC and playing the victim. It really began to crack the mental image of him I had as a well-meaning but over-his-head guy.
re: #273 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I’m honestly fine if Bernie wants to stay in the race and keep bringing attention to the issue, but the writing is on the wall so maybe cut back some on the negative attacks? Yes? I think that’s something we can all agree on?
I’m gonna keep talking a certain amount of shit because I just can’t help myself.
So, after deriding super delegates throughout the campaign their plan is to start begging them like … @politico pic.twitter.com/SM7fIywHAJ
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
re: #276 goddamnedfrank
Yeah but when you do it with fantastic photoshops that’s just fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
I’d like to see him since the writing is on the wall shift much of his attacks Trump’s way. It’s crazy to see thst there are people who like both. Sanders should be telling those people that what he stands for is not what Trump does. Anyhow I’m fine with him. I just think he misses the point sometimes. But philosophical differences are different than what I have with Trump and Cruz which is holy shit these guys want to take away people’s rights.
re: #278 HappyWarrior
“But philosophical differences are different than what I have with Trump and Cruz which is holy shit these guys want to take away people’s rights.”
As clearly exemplified by the bills they write and pass that are intended to take away some Americans’ rights by using the word “freedom” in their titles.
Still amazed here we are a week from the first day of Spring and Trump and Cruz are the likely Republicans. I mean holy fuck. As I said its philosophical differences I have with Sanders, Trump I worry for my friends and family who are immigrants as well horror at how he treats people who disagree with him.
Only one campaign can consistently beat Trump: Trump’s. How far will he go?
— Garry Shandling (@GarryShandling) March 16, 2016
re: #279 majii
“But philosophical differences are different than what I have with Trump and Cruz which is holy shit these guys want to take away people’s rights.”
As clearly exemplified by the bills they write and pass that are intended to take away some Americans’ rights by using the word “freedom” in their titles.
Yep “freedom” to deny a woman her legally protected right to choose, freedom to deny gay couples their legal rights, etc.
So, I just read that piece in the Times about Trump and his butler.
nytimes.com
My first thought was, “When was the last time a presidential candidate in the USA had a butler?”
Reaching the end of the article, my thought was, “I think I read about these kind of people in The Great Gatsby, or maybe the Forsythe Saga.” The bits about Trump Sr. telling a staff member to crawl on the gravel to find a penny — “his eyes were incredible!” — and Trump Jr. handing $100 bills to the Hispanic groundskeepers — “they love him.” — were just so over-the-top rich-people behavior that they sounded like fiction. But they aren’t. I have no doubt that Trump acts every bit like the rich, selfish aristocrats depicted in British novels and in Gatsby.
Alouette is right, Trump is the new Sun King.
re: #276 goddamnedfrank
I’m gonna keep talking a certain amount of shit because I just can’t help myself.
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Okay, that article is seriously fucking hilarious. After months of raging against superdelegates, the Sanders campaign sees their best hope in basically asking the superdelegates to overturn the votes in their states for Hillary and support him because the kids love him.
I’m getting that feeling again, stronger this time around, that the man will not allow himself to go quietly and will take as much of the party down with him when he does.
re: #283 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
So, I just read that piece in the Times about Trump and his butler.
nytimes.comMy first thought was, “When was the last time a presidential candidate in the USA had a butler?”
Reaching the end of the article, my thought was, “I think I read about these kind of people in The Great Gatsby, or maybe the Forsythe Saga.” The bits about Trump Sr. telling a staff member to crawl on the gravel to find a penny — “his eyes were incredible!” — and Trump Jr. handing $100 bills to the Hispanic groundskeepers — “they love him.” — were just so over-the-top rich-people behavior that they sounded like fiction. But they aren’t. I have no doubt that Trump acts every bit like the rich, selfish aristocrats depicted in British novels and in Gatsby.
Alouette is right, Trump is the new Sun King.
Tom Buchanan. He is every rich prick you have ever hated.
The Times also had this to say about the college student getting prison time in North Korea:
Mr. Warmbier was detained on Jan. 2 as he was about to board a plane to leave North Korea. In late February, he offered a tearful apology at a government-arranged news conference in Pyongyang, where he said he had tried to take the political poster as a trophy for a member of a church in the United States. It was impossible to determine whether Mr. Warmbier had been coerced into making the statements.
re: #285 HappyWarrior
Tom Buchanan. He is every rich prick you have ever hated.
Buchanan is a good fit.
My freshman year, I had a roommate who came from a wealthy family. His dad was some high executive in the Gillette company, and this son was every inch the classic stereotype of the spoiled, self-centered prep school graduate, right down to the way he dressed and his pride in having a 400W amp for his stereo setup. (In a shoebox sized bedroom, no less.) I won’t divulge his name, but his first name was a surname. You know what I mean.
I lost track of him after freshman year. Gratefully.
re: #287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Buchanan is a good fit.
My freshman year, I had a roommate who came from a wealthy family. His dad was some high executive in the Gillette company, and this son was every inch the classic stereotype of the spoiled, self-centered prep school graduate, right down to the way he dressed and his pride in having a 400W amp for his stereo setup. (In a shoebox sized bedroom, no less.) I won’t divulge his name, but his first name was a surname. You know what I mean.
I lost track of him after freshman year. Gratefully.
I had a vibe like that with Romney. It’s the stuck up rich asshole who wants you to worship him because of his wealth. Roomie seems like a real jerk.
re: #288 HappyWarrior
I had a vibe like that with Romney. It’s the stuck up rich asshole who wants you to worship him because of his wealth. Roomie seems like a real jerk.
He was. I just tried to Google him, but got nowhere. Turns out he shares his name with a couple of more famous people, who are most definitely not him.
I think he became a lawyer, so being obnoxious would be a useful characteristic.
re: #284 Targetpractice
Okay, that article is seriously fucking hilarious. After months of raging against superdelegates, the Sanders campaign sees their best hope in basically asking the superdelegates to overturn the votes in their states for Hillary and support him because the kids love him.
Yeah, it’s…special:
People will look at different measures: How many votes did you get? How many delegates did you win? How many states did you win? But it’s really about momentum.
When the facts delegates are on your side, pound the facts delegates. When the law vote is on your side, pound the law vote. When neither is on you side, pound the table talk about “momentum”.
.@BernieSanders really should ask himself at what point will he just be wasting the money sent by well intentioned & idealistic supporters.
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
Nabi Fakroddin gets 4,500 votes less than other 2 Trump dels, allows Kasich to snatch a CD6 delegate h/t @Redistrict pic.twitter.com/KXqiiB1jZJ
— Taniel (@Taniel) March 16, 2016
Aah, a clean sweep after all. Meow.
Can’t wait to see how Salon spins it to mean that Hillary is losing.
Sanders Statement on Super TuesdayMARCH 16, 2016
PHOENIX - U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:
“I congratulate Secretary Clinton on her victories on Tuesday. I also want to thank the millions of voters across the nation who supported our campaign and elected delegates who will take us all the way to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.“With more than half the delegates yet to be chosen and a calendar that favors us in the weeks and months to come, we remain confident that our campaign is on a path to win the nomination.”
OK, Bernard, you are beginning to piss me off.
re: #294 Nyet
OK, Bernard, you are beginning to piss me off.
If the situation were reversed, and it was the Clinton campaign that was now over 300 delegates behind and looking at a slate of races that were winnable and yet not by the margins necessary to win the nomination outright, it would be considered over for her. The media would lead every hour with calls for her to just quit now, get on the Bernie bandwagon, and “heal” the party rather than continuing to divide it by running when she can’t win.
But it’s Bernie, so now we’ll get days of even more convoluted “paths” that he could take to win the nomination, including trying to convince the superdelegates that his “momentum” is enough to overlook the fact that he’s losing virtually every demographic other than the same one that Trump is drawing from: Angry white men.
re: #295 Targetpractice
Yes, there are now outright suggestions to steal the nomination. Fuck that.
re: #296 Nyet
Yes, there are now outright suggestions to steal the nomination. Fuck that.
Yep, his supporters have gone from considering superdelegates the worst crime against democracy ever…to being his backdoor to the nomination by basically asking them to ignore that he’s a party outsider who’s admitted he’s just using them as a way to get his face in the media and done little to support the DNC and instead support him because he’s the progressive messiah who’s somehow going to give them all the votes they need to win against Trump.
I honestly would not be surprised if, by this time next week, his campaign is outright suggesting that the DNC should just give him the nomination because Hillary will be indicted and they don’t want to crown somebody who’ll be behind bars before Election Day.
re: #267 majii
“And if you’re not a low-information or minority voter, you’re feeling the BERN.”
As a black person, I find this to be very offensive because it disrespects my intelligence. Those who are saying this seem to have no idea how much they sound just like GOP/TPers. IF they’re worried about Sanders not attracting a lot of black voters now, if they keep saying this, the number won’t increase.
I hear you, and agree. That’s been a major discussion point by the kos berners, particularly after Hillary smoked Bernie in South Carolina. And when people try to explain to them why people who aren’t lily white males faces daily issues that won’t be addressed by THE REVOLUTION, they’re even more condescending.
It’s one of the reasons I was turned off by Bernie’s campaign—well, two reasons, actually.That he doesn’t seem to get the income inequality is not the root cause of all problems, and that if his supporters are the ones who’ll be carrying on the REVOLUTION, I don’t have much faith in their ability to not see every problem as a nail waiting for their hammer.
re: #293 Nyet
Aah, a clean sweep after all. Meow.
Can’t wait to see how Salon spins it to mean that Hillary is losing.
You know them well, too, I see.
“Hillary didn’t take ALL the delegates, and there are still primaries left, so Sanders could yet win the nomination … by force of will.”
re: #295 Targetpractice
If the situation were reversed, and it was the Clinton campaign that was now over 300 delegates behind and looking at a slate of races that were winnable and yet not by the margins necessary to win the nomination outright, it would be considered over for her. The media would lead every hour with calls for her to just quit now, get on the Bernie bandwagon, and “heal” the party rather than continuing to divide it by running when she can’t win.
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. If nothing else the last few national campaigns have convinced me that the news media is biased but not in the traditional left vs right conception of the term. It’s biased in the direction of increasing ratings & revenue, and the easiest way for them to do that is to generate the narrative that some political horserace exists for viewers to get excited about. To that end they’re constantly examining and shifting their coverage so as to sustain that narrative for as long as possible.
There is a lot of hatred of Hillary out there, but I’m fairly certain that the same concern for the bottom line would make the media talking heads just as eager to put her campaign on life support if the situation was reversed.
re: #297 Targetpractice
Yep, his supporters have gone from considering superdelegates the worst crime against democracy ever…to being his backdoor to the nomination by basically asking them to ignore that he’s a party outsider who’s admitted he’s just using them as a way to get his face in the media and done little to support the DNC and instead support him because he’s the progressive messiah who’s somehow going to give them all the votes they need to win against Trump.
I honestly would not be surprised if, by this time next week, his campaign is outright suggesting that the DNC should just give him the nomination because Hillary will be indicted and they don’t want to crown somebody who’ll be behind bars before Election Day.
Its hard to give up the dream. Hillary fought to the bitter end in 2008, even after it was obvious that Obama would be the nominee.
re: #288 HappyWarrior
I had a vibe like that with Romney. It’s the stuck up rich asshole who wants you to worship him because of his wealth. Roomie seems like a real jerk.
And both Romney’s and Trump’s sons have that same look about them—over-indulged assholes.
re: #303 BeachDem
And both Romney’s and Trump’s sons have that same look about them—over-indulged assholes.
Romney’s one son said he felt like punching Obama. Now imagine the reaction if Sasha or Malia said that about Mitt.
re: #300 Big Beautiful Door
He could use that money by redirecting it downticket to build a progressive base to enable the reforms he seeks.
That is one of my biggest disappointments with him. He just doesn’t seem to value electing like minded individuals. I read a story about him getting infuriated when asked about it.
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‘Try not to look too smug, try not to look too smug, Try not to…..’
re: #297 Targetpractice
Yep, his supporters have gone from considering superdelegates the worst crime against democracy ever…to being his backdoor to the nomination by basically asking them to ignore that he’s a party outsider who’s admitted he’s just using them as a way to get his face in the media and done little to support the DNC and instead support him because he’s the progressive messiah who’s somehow going to give them all the votes they need to win against Trump.
I honestly would not be surprised if, by this time next week, his campaign is outright suggesting that the DNC should just give him the nomination because Hillary will be indicted and they don’t want to crown somebody who’ll be behind bars before Election Day.
Suggestions tonight from the kos berners included an indictment and/or a Hillary health emergency. (Not kidding.) Oh, and Sherrod Brown, along with Elizabeth Warren, is under the bus now too. They could see how “ashamed” he was while stumping for Hillary, and he’s sold out his progressive cred for establishment goodies or some such shit. And they’re thinking he should be primaried as well.
Sherrod fucking Brown! And they’re pissed at his wife, Connie Schultz, for an article she wrote about women’s issues. They truly are insufferable.
re: #307 BeachDem
Suggestions tonight from the kos berners included an indictment and/or a Hillary health emergency. (Not kidding.) Oh, and Sherrod Brown, along with Elizabeth Warren, is under the bus now too. They could see how “ashamed” he was while stumping for Hillary, and he’s sold out his progressive cred for establishment goodies or some such shit. And they’re thinking he should be primaried as well.
Sherrod fucking Brown! And they’re pissed at his wife, Connie Schultz, for an article she wrote about women’s issues. They truly are insufferable.
They think they’re the only people in the party and then cry when other people in the party vote how they want to vote. Make it even worse by talking down to people and insisting that you can’t be a true progressive (TM) if you support Clinton. Some candidates just attract very zealous people even ones who I agree more often than not with.
re: #301 goddamnedfrank
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. If nothing else the last few national campaigns have convinced me that the news media is biased but not in the traditional left vs right conception of the term. It’s biased in the direction of generating ratings, and the easiest way for them to do that is to generate the narrative that some political horserace exists for viewers to get excited about. To that end they’re constantly examining and shifting their coverage so as to sustain that narrative for as long as possible.
There is a lot of hatred of Hillary out there, but I’m fairly certain that the same concern for the bottom line would make the media talking heads just as eager to put her campaign on life support if the situation was reversed.
See, I don’t see that, because I keep hearing the line from Spider Man in my head, playing over and over again: “But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying.” And I think that’s what the media has really been invested in for weeks now, to see Hillary fail to win the nomination and thus finally get some measure of comeuppance for failing to fall so many other times before. Look at how they hyped up the Benghazi hearing, only for her to walk away after 11 hours looking cool as a cucumber while the Republicans came out drenched in flop sweat.
No, I’m pretty sure if the roles were reversed, they would have begun the calls for her to drop out after Super Tuesday. A win in Michigan would not have been seen as a “surprise upset,” but instead treated as suspect in light of the “Clinton Political Machine” and talk started that people had been paid to vote for her just to swing the state her way. And after tonight, with a total lockout of 5 states? Nobody would be talking long-shot scenarios or suggesting help from superdelegates, they’d be calling for her to drop out because there’s no way she can win and she’s only dragging down the party by continuing to run. Give it up so the media can move onto the horse race they really want to see, which is the clash between Bernie and Trump for the “anti-establishment” vote.
re: #308 HappyWarrior
They think they’re the only people in the party and then cry when other people in the party vote how they want to vote. Make it even worse by talking down to people and insisting that you can’t be a true progressive (TM) if you support Clinton. Some candidates just attract very zealous people even ones who I agree more often than not with.
Sherrod Brown, according to the On the Issues Rating.
But, because he supports Hillary, he’s not “pure” enough for them. Sigh.
re: #303 BeachDem
And both Romney’s and Trump’s sons have that same look about them—over-indulged assholes.
There’s a certain kind of rich dude who grew up believing that the world was his oyster, who never had to really work at something, whose parents protected him from meeting failure. Entitled only begins to describe this kind of mindset. Romney and his family probably assumed from the get-go that clearly Mitt would win the election, because they always succeed at whatever they do, and also he’s white, and rich, so everyone will see how much better he is than a black, upper-middle-class guy. If you have grown up inside a bubble, isolated from the real world, it’s almost understandable how gob-smacked these people are when they are released into the wild.
Years ago, I had a high school student who came from a wealthy family. His parents kept him on a tight leash — a very modest monthly allowance. They made him pay for his own car and insurance — it was second-hand, but a *nice* second-hand car. If he failed a class in school, the parents just let it happen. No long discussions with the teacher and school to pass their little Johnny.
He was one of the nicest young men I’ve ever met. His younger sister, also my student later on, was also pretty down-to-earth and likeable.
It’s possible for rich families to raise decent, humane children, if they try hard.
Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton.
“But”, as some BernieBot pointed out, “she’s a liberal, not a progressive!”
Crikey. It’s 4 am—gotta go try to sleep—work beckons tomorrow. Luckily, the projects I’m working on are in California, so I don’t have to start making calls till noon EDT.
Night all.
re: #311 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
“Entitled only begins to describe this kind of mindset. Romney and his family probably assumed from the get-go that clearly Mitt would win the election, because they always succeed at whatever they do, and also he’s white, and rich, so everyone will see how much better he is than a black, upper-middle-class guy.”
This is spot on. If I live to be 100, I’ll never forget Ann Romney essentially telling the Obamas to leave the WH because it was their turn. Not to mention her saying about the request for Romney to release more of his tax returns, “You people have gotten all you’re going to get.”
‘Morning all. Back from a long nap/short night’s sleep. HRC had 3 states when I left, how is she faring now?
re: #307 BeachDem
Suggestions tonight from the kos berners included an indictment and/or a Hillary health emergency. (Not kidding.) Oh, and Sherrod Brown, along with Elizabeth Warren, is under the bus now too. They could see how “ashamed” he was while stumping for Hillary, and he’s sold out his progressive cred for establishment goodies or some such shit. And they’re thinking he should be primaried as well.
Sherrod fucking Brown! And they’re pissed at his wife, Connie Schultz, for an article she wrote about women’s issues. They truly are insufferable.
They act like this, and then wonder why progressive candidates can find little traction in the party and guys like Bernie are viewed with suspicion rather than acceptance and support. I honestly believe part of their feelings of “betrayal” lie in their belief that it should be Warren up there facing off against Hillary. I remember all the talk last year, including “Draft Warren” suggestions, and think the anger towards her is partially due to her refusal to heed their calls.
re: #317 Targetpractice
They act like this, and then wonder why progressive candidates can find little traction in the party and guys like Bernie are viewed with suspicion rather than acceptance and support. I honestly believe part of their feelings of “betrayal” lie in their belief that it should be Warren up there facing off against Hillary. I remember all the talk last year, including “Draft Warren” suggestions, and think the anger towards her is partially due to her refusal to heed their calls.
I hate saying it but some of them act like a lefty version of the Tea Party. Not hateful but not understanding of governance.
re: #314 majii
“Entitled only begins to describe this kind of mindset. Romney and his family probably assumed from the get-go that clearly Mitt would win the election, because they always succeed at whatever they do, and also he’s white, and rich, so everyone will see how much better he is than a black, upper-middle-class guy.”
This is spot on. If I live to be 100, I’ll never forget Ann Romney essentially telling the Obamas to leave the WH because it was their turn. Not to mention her saying about the request for Romney to release more of his tax returns, “You people have gotten all you’re going to get.”
Marie Antoinette
Both races in Missouri are eligible for a recount if requested. Oy.
re: #321 Single-handed sailor
Both races in Missouri are eligible for a recount if requested. Oy.
Might not be worth contending, with the weird way they allot delegates.
CNN diminishing the HRC sweep as is their wont.
I was having one of those days till I popped in at lunch and saw the news.
I don’t think even ten percent of my satisfaction is actually malicious joy against the Sanders campaign (but it sometimes tastes that way) it’s mostly that I’m hopeful we’re seeing a more united way forward coming together.
Early days, I suppose. Best to let the left wing mourn mostly unmolested.
These blowouts are just killing Sanders’ chances.
If you’re supporting Sanders’ campaign the key to primary victory is simple: Momentum. Do. Not. Stop. pic.twitter.com/XCDF8FXbc2
— Michael Oman-Reagan (@OmanReagan) March 16, 2016
One problem, Clinton’s delegate margin in Florida was 64, not 8. Time for you to re-jiggle the math on that chart. https://t.co/GL66ETakM3
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
Dude is just delusional.
What if we use the same superdelegates the establishment relies on to overthrow the DNC establishment. I like this tactic. Go.
— Michael Oman-Reagan (@OmanReagan) March 16, 2016
Use the machine against itself. Once Sanders is the nominee, we can get rid of the DNC establishment and get rid of superdelegates.
— Michael Oman-Reagan (@OmanReagan) March 16, 2016
LOL @ #OccupyTheSuperdelegates
This is good news.
President Obama Job Approval Gallup Approve 51, Disapprove 46 Approve +5
re: #325 goddamnedfrank
That guy’s entire path to victory was constructed around Clinton netting a gain of 22 delegates over Bernie in last night’s election. Instead she’s projected to extend her lead by something like 100 all told.
I wonder what the odds are that the rest of his projections are similarly out of whack and ridiculously optimistic towards Bernie’s chances?
Another way of looking at it is 538 had target numbers for both campaigns of Clinton netting 39 delegates over Bernie tonight. In reality she will net something around 250% of that.
Even worse, those target numbers were set at the beginning of the campaign, and given the deep hole he’s in now he needs to be the one getting blowout wins like Clinton just did in Florida and (to a lesser extent) NC & OH, simply to even the score and make it anywhere near the finish line.
re: #327 goddamnedfrank
Do they not understand that the super-delegates are autonomous human beings and that ‘Inception’ is just a terrible movie?
And also any Ben Carson mind-control serums are currently only being trialled on the man himself?
‘Just how susceptible are these super-delegates to the power of free-form beat poetry?’
re: #329 Alyosha
Do they not understand that the super-delegates are autonomous human beings and that ‘Inception’ is just a terrible movie?
And also any Ben Carson mind-control serums are currently only being trialled on the man himself?‘Just how susceptible are these super-delegates to the power of free-form beat poetry?’
I disagree, I liked Inception. But then I’m a connoisseur of random shit that doesn’t make sense.
re: #330 goddamnedfrank
I disagree, I liked Inception. But then I’m a connoisseur of random shit that doesn’t make sense.
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If there’s one thing I hope we can agree on regarding Inception, it’s that it could only have been improved by shoehorning Jeff Goldblum in somewhere.
re: #283 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
So, I just read that piece in the Times about Trump and his butler…Trump Jr. handing $100 bills to the Hispanic groundskeepers …
But he is not about to give them insurance or paid vacations, is he?
59,995 karma points…please be generous today, I just live for life’s minor milestones!
re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
But he is not about to give them insurance or paid vacations, is he?
Unlikely.
re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
59,995 karma points…please be generous today, I just live for life’s minor milestones!
Here, a bent kopek. Go in peace ;)
Poking around the Times regarding the kid convicted of subversion in North Korea, I’ve found different versions of the reasons for the charges, which tell me he’s been forced to stay shit that’s untrue.
An early report said he was arrested for removing the banner as part of a stunt suggested by the Z Society, “a secret organization” at UVa. I checked up on this organization, which is listed as “semi-secret” by the UVa magazine. Apparently, the identity of its members is kept secret from the general student body until graduation time. The group does support social causes, such as gay rights, so that aspect (see highlighted section below) of the NoKo story seems almost plausible. Almost.
Mr. Warmbier said he tried to take the banner as a trophy for a member of the church who offered to buy him a used car worth $10,000 if he was successful, according to the North’s state-run Korean Central News Agency. Mr. Warmbier also said that a member of the secretive Z Society at his school also encouraged his act, promising him membership if he helped to promote the group’s goal of spreading freedom and eliminating tyranny, the agency said.
“I apologize to each and every one of the millions of the Korean people, and I beg that you see how I was used and manipulated,” Mr. Warmbier said, according to CNN, which covered the news conference. He added, “I was used by the United States administration like many before.”
The latest version is the one I posted above, that someone in his church put him up to stealing the banner, promising a $10,000 used car (wow!) and $200,000 to his mom in the event he was detained. Thinking about this further, it sounds bogus. You can buy a new car (almost) for $10,000. A used car at that price would be a damned nice car, IMO. And what church has $200,000 laying about to benefit one family just so it can have a stupid NoKo banner?
Here’s my speculation. Warmbier, on an impulse, decides to enter a restricted part of his hotel just to do it, because he’s 21-year-old male college student. Need I say more? He sees a propaganda banner, thinks to himself, “Hey, they would look cool in my dorm room!” and takes it down, and brings it to his room. He was arrested at the airport, so either hotel security noticed the missing banner and checked their cameras, or his bags were checked at the airport by security police. Either way, he was caught stealing from the hotel and the government has decided to make an example of him by inflating the seriousness of the crime — a college prank — and cooking up some cockamamie backstory for him to cop to — or else.
But, stealing the banner was a seriously dumb idea. In the States, it would still be a crime, but he’d probably get off with a fine and community service if he returned the item unharmed. Tour operators always warn customers not to break local laws, because foreigners are treated more harshly than locals everywhere in the world. He must not have been paying attention.
re: #335 Alyosha
Here, a bent kopek. Go in peace ;)
I still have a pyatnashka in my wallet, a rare Soviet-era 15-cent coin that you needed to make a phone call in the early 90’s.
Used to cost two kopecks, but then they raised the rate. Problem was, the phones did not take 5 or 10-kopeck pieces, only the 15-kopeck coins.
All of which suddenly disappeared from circulation. If you wanted to make a phone call, you had to go to a kiosk or a vendor and buy one - for ten rubles!
re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I still have a pyatnashka in my wallet, a rare Soviet-era 15-cent coin that you needed to make a phone call in the early 90’s.
Used to cost two kopecks, but then they raised the rate. Problem was, the phones did not take 5 or 10-kopeck pieces, only the 15-kopeck coins.
All of which suddenly disappeared from circulation. If you wanted to make a phone call, you had to go to a kiosk or a vendor and buy one - for ten rubles!
Sounds about right for Soviet Russia.
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
A funny thing about Canadian Geese is that they nap like that while standing on one leg.
‘Canada geese’ …Canadian geese are seldom funny…
re: #338 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Sounds about right for Soviet Russia.
Post-Soviet Russia, the time of Great Chaos when they were still using Soviet Rubles and all my documents still had the Soviet seal on them.
re: #339 originalben
‘Canada geese’ …Canadian geese are seldom funny…
But they are always polite, eh?
re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Post-Soviet Russia, when they were still using Soviet Rubles and all my documents still had the Soviet seal on them.
One of these days, I’m going to visit Russia. Also, Ukraine, since I have friends in Nyiv and Lugansk now. Hopefully they will still be separate countries when I get around to visiting them.
re: #342 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
One of these days, I’m going to visit Russia. Also, Ukraine, since I have friends in Nyiv and Lugansk now. Hopefully they will still be separate countries when I get around to visiting them.
I have not returned since I fled in 1993 (during the anti-Yelstin counter-putsch when government troops were shelling the Russian Parliament building)
But those halcyon days are gone, I used to be able to rent a furnished two-bedroom apartment in a nice part of Moscow near the Metro for $100 per month.
re: #343 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I have not returned since I fled in 1993 (during the anti-Yelstin counter-putsch when government troops were shelling the Russian Parliament building)
But those halcyon days are gone, I used to be able to rent a furnished two-bedroom apartment in a nice part of Moscow near the Metro for $100 per month.
Have prices gone up? I wonder how Ed Snowden manages to afford his pad.
re: #344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Have prices gone up? I wonder how Ed Snowden manages to afford his pad.
Not sure, but his sarky Tweets heat his water.
Some sad news from my quarter. One of my American students was in a serious car accident several days ago. A DUI hit the tour bus she was in, and she was seriously injured. Her left arm had to be amputated. She’s a nurse and a young mother, so that’s going to make life tough for a while.
The family has started a GoFundMe campaign here gofundme.com
Everything her aunt says about Ashlee is true. This news has me really upset.
If you can, please help out. Thank you!
Obama to announce SCOTUS pick at 11 am ET
washingtonpost.com
Aaannnd Anonymous is targeting Trump.
(My VPN is remarkably stable today, for some reason. Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and NYT all humming along quite well.)
re: #325 goddamnedfrank
Dude is just delusional.
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LOL @ #OccupyTheSuperdelegates
How dumb is this guy? Does he think that the superdelegates are a machine that can be hacked and reprogrammed or that they should replace the current fleet of superdelegates with Bernie loving pod people?
re: #168 Brian J.
Axelrod says Sanders’ campaign outspent Hillary $12 million to $7 million, including $4 million in new commitments on Friday. The CNN pundits are now all but begging Bernie to stay in despite his 0-5 record tonight.
It’s all about the ratings and money. They want to stir the pot, keep Bernie in so he spends his 50 million on those ads…
re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Obama to announce SCOTUS pick at 11 am ET
washingtonpost.com
I bet this date was targeted almost as soon as the dust settled after the Scalia death. Trump is steamrolling, drop the announcement right after the March 15th primaries. Give the Republicans pause and let them consider for a moment a Trump pick vs. what Obama will present.
LOL “Walmart Top News” retweeted my meme bashing the Waltons
Top Reasons the Walton Family and Walmart are NOT “Job Creators” https://t.co/yPIAy7fieE via @viciousbabushka
— Walmart Top News (@WalmartTopNews) March 16, 2016
Walmart is Poverty Creator not “Job Creator” #tcot #UniteBlue https://t.co/ni3PayL4jQ pic.twitter.com/eWcJlwz7V6
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 15, 2016
Bernie Bros are nearly as annoying as Trumpettes
The “Obama-Clinton Economy”:
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) March 16, 2016
4.9% unemployment
Highest GDP globally
$1.60 gallon gas
17,000 Dow
The “Obama-Clinton Economy?” Goldman Sachs and BoA gave her huge speaking fees, but not that big https://t.co/F7CKRDpHVU
— Gen JC Xtian patriot (@JC_Christian) March 16, 2016
re: #6 austin_blue
(Repost from downstairs)
Anybody listening to NPR? A major Republican strategist for Romney in 2008 (Scott Stephens (sp?) just said that if Trump is the candidate, the Republican conservative wing should split off into a third party.
Oofa!
LMAO I can see the campaign ads now.
“Vote for the Constitution Party — except for all races besides the President. In that case, *please* still vote for the Republican candidate — pretty please?”
re: #351 Franklin
I bet this date was targeted almost as soon as the dust settled after the Scalia death. Trump is steamrolling, drop the announcement right after the March 15th primaries. Give the Republicans pause and let them consider for a moment a Trump pick vs. what Obama will present.
Should be interesting. He’ll probably nominate a moderate. Go for the safe choice or wait and see who Clinton or Trump puts in there….
re: #353 Dr. Matt
The “Obama-Clinton Economy?” Goldman Sachs and BoA gave her huge speaking fees, but not that big
What does that even mean?
re: #355 weave
Should be interesting. He’ll probably nominate a moderate. Go for the safe choice or wait and see who Clinton or Trump puts in there….
He will nominate someone that the GOP has already supported overwhelmingly, just to highlight the fact that they are being cantankerous and obstructionist.
Fittingly, Rubio drops out the same week as the anniversary of the GOP autopsy report.
— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) March 16, 2016
Fittingly, Rubio drops out the same week as the anniversary of the GOP autopsy report.
The Party of Stupid, indeed…
Some Arutz7 guy is complaining in my mentions STOP GODWINNING TRUMP!! HE HASN’T KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE!
OT: Anyone watching the Hulu adaptation of King’s 11.22.63 book? The book is fantastic (almost through my 2nd reading) and the mini-series is holding it’s own. And I think I have a new film-crush, Sarah Gadon.
Sarah Gadon and James Francore: #354 weave
LMAO I can see the campaign ads now.
“Vote for the Constitution Party — except for all races besides the President. In that case, *please* still vote for the Republican candidate — pretty please?”
It’s too late to get a new third party on the ballot in every state. If these GOP dissidents had any intelligence at all, they would try to make a deal with the Libertarians. But they won’t. They should just sit back and enjoy the poisoned fruit from the bigoted and racist seeds they planted back in the 70s…
re: #363 Joe Bacon
Apparently some states have “loser” laws too, so if any of the GOP candidates who lost in one of those states happens to be the choice of this alternative movement, that primary loser can’t be on the ballot in the general election against the primary winner.
So the never-Drumpfskind movement will need to pile on a new candidate, and get that person on each ballot in the US somehow.
It is daunting and why almost certainly the never-Drumpfskind gang will either have to vote for Clinton or one of the 3rd party candidates, or just not vote for President.
Meanwhile, Son of Erick, one of the more vocal never-Drumpfskind talkers, even admits this in his latest dismissive missive “Reality vs. The Land of Shoulda-Coulda-Woulda”:
It may mean that guys like me who were opposed to Kasich and even, at one point preferred Trump to Kasich, must also come to terms with reality that Kasich may have a role to play, though not be the Presidential nominee.
re: #365 freetoken
Apparently some states have “loser” laws too, so if any of the GOP candidates who lost in one of those states happens to be the choice of this alternative movement, that primary loser can’t be on the ballot in the general election against the primary winner.
So the never-Drumpfskind movement will need to pile on a new candidate, and get that person on each ballot in the US somehow.
It is daunting and why almost certainly the never-Drumpfskind gang will either have to vote for Clinton or one of the 3rd party candidates, or just not vote for President.
You’re right about those “Loser Laws” in a bunch of states. Now just imagine how ironic it would be if these dissident Republicans tried to set up a new 3rd party with a Romney/Ryan ticket. Sorta reminds me of when Adlai Stevenson got saddled with a LaRouchite running mate in the 1986 Illinois primary and he set up the “Solidarity” party…
Am I understanding correctly that Bernie’s new strat is to beg the superdelegates to switch to him?
If so, XD.
Republicans are slowly coming to accept that Drumpfskind is their nominee.
I expect most of them in the end to vote for their nominee.
Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 Republicans will decide to not vote for Drumpfskind, but that doesn’t mean they will vote for Clinton. They just won’t vote for President.
Which means that Drumpskind will probably get more votes than Romney, which might be really, really bad for all of us in the end.
Fuck this guy
.@viciousbabushka @batbethk well actually the frenzy is being whipped up by his opponents. had they not done it we wouldnt be here now
— ISRAELRADIOGUY (@israelradioguy) March 16, 2016
re: #367 Joe Bacon
You’re right about those “Loser Laws” in a bunch of states. Now just imagine how ironic it would be if these dissident Republicans tried to set up a new 3rd party with a Romney/Ryan ticket. Sorta reminds me of when Adlai Stevenson got saddled with a LaRouchite running mate in the 1986 Illinois primary and he set up the “Solidarity” party…
On the news this morning I heard someone say Ryan would consider running.
When you look at yesterday’s events through Rubio-tinted glasses.
@BernieSanders Almost tied in IL & MO, finished strong in NC & OH, with 1 loss in FL. This fight is still on folks. #FeelTheBern
— JmsWmFox (@JmsWmFox) March 16, 2016
re: #310 BeachDem
Sherrod Brown, according to the On the Issues Rating.
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Sherrod Brown is described as a Hard-Core Liberal.But, because he supports Hillary, he’s not “pure” enough for them. Sigh.
Man, I hate the stuff that’s been ingrained in us. That Right Conservative is considered 100% Economic Issues is an absolute joke. For the last 30 years, the Democrats have been far more economically sound than the GOP. All economic barometers were better under Democratic rule. Ronnie had the largest deficit in history, until George the Second.
That they’re still fucking that dog infuriates me.
re: #372 Alyosha
When you look at yesterday’s events through Rubio-tinted glasses.
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Haha.
About to start class. Topics for the rest of the week:
Civil Rights Act of 1964
Voting Rights Act of 1965
White Flight
Redlining/Mortgage Discrimination
Affirmative Action
Dog Whistle Politics(playing the Lee Atwater interview)
Rodney King
Black Lives Matter
The OJ Simpson Case/Verdict
Last night Trump gave his victory speech in the ballroom of his private club. Let that sink in, Trumpettes.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) March 16, 2016
Just imagine if Hillary or Obama gave a victory speech in expensive private club. The ENTIRE MSM would be focusing on that, rather than the victory. But, Trump gets a pass….as usual. Fuck this media.
Why the hell doesn’t the Lizard Base have a ballroom???
re: #377 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Why the hell doesn’t the Lizard Base have a ballroom???
Wait, there’s a Lizard Base?
re: #377 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Why the hell doesn’t the Lizard Base have a ballroom???
ixnay on the ballroomnay SV
“The Don” Drumpfskind threatens:
Trump: ‘You’d have riots’ if contested convention results in a different nominee
Noting that he’s “representing many millions of people,” he told Chris Cuomo: “If you disenfranchise those people, and you say, ‘I’m sorry, you’re 100 votes short’ … I think you’d have problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen.”
re: #381 freetoken
“The Don” Drumpfskind threatens:
Trump: ‘You’d have riots’ if contested convention results in a different nominee
That’s going to be one clusterfuck of a convention.
Another idiot has joined the conversation==>
IF IT’S NOT 100% EXACTLY LIKE HITLER IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN’T MAKE TEH COMPARISON!!!11!!!
@viciousbabushka do u honestly think Trump will put people on cattle trains 2 death camps? Blame Obama 4 the circus & hate - it’s all him.
— Abby Aharon (@AbbyAharon) March 16, 2016
re: #382 Not a Sparkly Vampire
That’s going to be one clusterfuck of a convention.
Well, if Drumpfskind gets to 1237 the process will just grind forward and the naysayers will just mutter quietly and in the end the Hillary-is-Evil rhetoric will win out.
re: #384 The Vicious Babushka
@viciousbabushka do u honestly think Trump will put people on cattle trains 2 death camps? Blame Obama 4 the circus & hate - it’s all him.
— Abby Aharon (@AbbyAharon) March 16, 2016
Blame Obama for being black?
re: #385 freetoken
Well, if Drumpfskind gets to 1237 the process will just grind forward and the naysayers will just mutter quietly and in the end the Hillary-is-Evil rhetoric will win out.
Or that.
What a freakshow this country is.
re: #384 The Vicious Babushka
Another idiot has joined the conversation==>
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Those morons can’t even decide on whether Bill Clinton or Obama is to blame for them picking Trump
Hillary’s speech: “Bye Bernie. I’m coming for you Trump.” pic.twitter.com/INIqQxqOat
— Marc Love (@marcslove) March 16, 2016
re: #370 The Vicious Babushka
That guy is the worst.
It’s official: Tim McGinty, the prosecutor who did not ask for an indictment in the Tamir Rice case, has lost his bid for reelection. @wkyc
— Russ Mitchell (@RussWKYC) March 16, 2016
re: #392 goddamnedfrank
That guy is the worst.
They don’t want to see what is right in front of their eyes.
The Triumph of the Trump #tcot #UniteBlue #GOPrimary #StopTrump pic.twitter.com/2Jox4cfpfv
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 16, 2016
re: #270 HappyWarrior
The USA is a lot bigger and more diverse than Vermont. It’s too late for Bernie to figure this out.
re: #393 Franklin
I think @JoyAnnReid is right. #BlackLivesMatter won big last night by ousting prosecutors in Tamir Rice (OH) and Laquan McDonald (IL) cases.
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) March 16, 2016
I see, according to the DailyKos rec list, that the new movable Bernie firewall that will bring down Clinton is now Arizona.
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.
It was a great evening for Hillary, and an awful one for the GOP, who is still in the bargaining phase of Trump domination. They still think that someone other than Trump might somehow emerge as the nominee. If only X can manage to win (they can’t) these states from Trump (who has a big lead there), then we can get a floor fight.
It’s schadenfreude writ large. The GOP deserves all this and then some. Years of irrational hate, fear, and anger spawned Trump, and he’s coming home to roost. The GOP can’t excise Trump without admitting that the GOP itself is the problem, because booting Trump means booting the very voters that have overwhelmingly gone for Trump.
That’s not stopping media outlets from trying to play up Kasich’s win in Ohio. Right. He won his home state. That’s what he’s supposed to do to even be considered a viable candidate. Rubio couldn’t even pass that lightweight test, and Cruz got shut out last night despite winning Texas in the last round of states.
That’s some choice. A guy who’s 500 delegates behind (Kasich) or a guy no one likes (Cruz).
As for the Democrats, it’s all over but the final outburst of whining from Bernie fans who refuse to do the math. 1561 to 800 (Missouri will basically be a wash, but essentially give Hillary a 2:1 advantage; 300+ delegates without counting supers). That’s the delegate count this morning.
Bernie’s toast. All the claims Hillary couldn’t carry outside the South went up in smoke. Michigan wasn’t the start of some wave for Bernie support. It was the outlier.
That’s the reality, and yet media outlets will continue to treat both Democrat and GOP races as close horseraces. They aren’t.
Repeating myself here… and several times… but I emphasize that the better description is to use the adjective fascistic.
Triumphal nationalism;
Transference of blame onto specific minorities;
Preference for strongman solutions to political differences;
Private companies/organizations directed by the strongman for the supposed benefit of the nation.
- are traits of the movement I’m now labeling Trumpism.
In the first half of the 20th century those qualities would be part of fascist movements.
But we are in the 21st century now, and as the saying goes, history does not repeat, it rhymes.
Add to those:
Delight in military might;
Law-and-Order over individual rights.
- which while are commonly found in societies throughout time and space, mix with the previous traits to create a society that is bad for many people.
The new Newsweek has a new article out that mostly tries to dismiss the fears of Trump being like Hitler.
But that is a bit of a strawman, quite a bit really, when one wants to seriously analyze Trumpism.
Trump is not going to be another Hitler, simply because we are not Germany of the 1930’s.
What we are is a rather large nation of stagnant economic opportunity for a large swath of the population and that is creating quite a bit of angst, and Trumpism is now hurtling American politics towards heavy protectionism.
The Newsweek article completely misses the tragedy that Trumpism will bring to foreign policy.
The deeper and longer term themes of Trumpism, such as persecution of minorities, can’t happen quickly in the US because we are too big and diverse. Instead, Trumpism brings to the fore and feeds intra-societal tensions that cause a great deal of ill feelings, and the end result of these is fragmentation of communities and entrenching small groups into a practical lower-status in society.
I’m thinking that these little right-wing Juice who are clutching their pearls over comparing the stubby-fingered vulgarian to the shouty little mustached guy, basically agrees with what he says about Muslims and Mexicans, and think that somehow Ivanka is a vaccine against any bigotry that might be directed at them.
@israelradioguy A bunch of Holocaust survivors think he’s like Hitler. https://t.co/8WvUSJlLRt @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
@israelradioguy Anne Frank’s Auschwitz surviving stepsister thinks he’s like Hitler. https://t.co/Jb4f2uv0D5 @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
.@israelradioguy So you have a better grasp of who is like Hitler than a bunch of people who lived under Hitler? @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
You know better than people who Hitler actively tried to kill, people who barely survived Hitler? @israelradioguy @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
So these Holocaust survivors are “morally wrong” to issue this final warning before they die? @israelradioguy @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
.@israelradioguy Interesting, you’re saying Holocaust survivors need your permission to speak? @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
.@israelradioguy You haven’t used any so far, you’ve just glibly dismissed the warnings of a bunch of survivors. @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
.@israelradioguy Dont’ tell me, show me. All I’ve seen from you so far is pure unsupported raw assertion. @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
.@israelradioguy More rhetoric. Back up your unsupported assertion with proof or admit you made it up. @batbethk @viciousbabushka
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
re: #401 goddamnedfrank
I blocked that fucker. His bio says he hosts a show on Arutz 7 which is basically the Israeli FoxNews.
Bill Kristol’s in the sauce again:
@BillKristol @BenSasse @nikkihaley pic.twitter.com/mrAe7FGd4O
— john bowler (@irishace11) March 16, 2016
I have an advanced copy of Obama’s Supreme Court nomination remarks pic.twitter.com/0JqLSm7uzn
— Stacey E. Singleton (@staceyNYCDC) March 16, 2016
Baby Whiplash is having another Blind Squirrel Broken Clock moment, thanks to the Drumpfenjugend who swarm his timeline.
To anti-Semites spamming my timeline: I’m less worried about the #TrumpTrain than the boxcars you seem enthusiastic about attaching to it.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) March 16, 2016
re: #398 lawhawk
It’s schadenfreude writ large. The GOP deserves all this and then some.
Yes they do but the fallout will dirty up all of us. Now we must admit Donald Trump could become President Trump. Gun toting, Muslim hating, immigration delusional supporters and all.
I would love for one of those White Genocide/Star Wars assholes to explain their thinking to this boy (actually I wouldn’t, but you get my point):
This little stormtrooper Daniel had a wonderful wish after seeing the force awakens. Daniel thank you ❤️ pic.twitter.com/EXS6B168Jr
— John Boyega (@JohnBoyega) March 14, 2016
re: #402 The Vicious Babushka
I blocked that fucker. His bio says he hosts a show on Arutz 7 which is basically the Israeli FoxNews.
Well he’s definitely an idiot who’s talking out of his ass.
Orangeman endorses Ryan for president. Orangeman doesn’t give a fuck anymore.
Coming soon from Team Bernie: an effort to win via super delegate. https://t.co/oabUdWTVKd
— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) March 16, 2016
Yes, the “establishment” Dems who Sanders derides will definitely drop Clinton for him https://t.co/jj9YBzk2mC
— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) March 16, 2016
Obama will be announcing his Supreme Court nominee this morning in about 90 minutes. My bet is on Sri Srinivasan.
Why? For starters, he was unanimously confirmed (97-0) to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit by a Senate comprising of most of the current GOP extremists.
If he was good enough then, why not now? It only further serves to show just how extreme the GOP is, and this is a fight the President wants.
I’m seeing how some are questioning whether Hillary would back Srinivasan if there’s a carryover into her term. I don’t see why not. The same dynamics apply if the Senate doesn’t flip blue. The GOP obstructionism must be hit head on - and this is a fight that will energize Democrats going into November. She’s probably been consulted on this (as has Bernie in all likelihood).
So, not only is the GOP fighting and losing to Trump’s insane clown posse, but they’re losing procedurally and in the court of public opinion on their blatant obstructionism to prevent even hearings on qualified candidates.
That’s a daily double that Democrats must use to hammer Republicans at all levels of government through November and beyond.
re: #409 Viscous Obama
Orangeman endorses Ryan for president. Orangeman doesn’t give a fuck anymore.
You are going to have to be more specific…
How Hillary polls against trump #tcot #UniteBlue #StopTrump #ImWithHer https://t.co/8kjOSI7P3P pic.twitter.com/SSDmi3m8cS
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 16, 2016
re: #410 Franklin
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Bernie has a better shot of having the US annex a few more states and hold primaries in those than he does wooing over entrenched, establishment Dems away from HRC and over to him.
One of the saddest things about this election is that the chance of anti presidential vitriol going anywhere but worse is non existent. That’s bad for our country and our culture. Chicken or egg? I have no idea. Better times are not ahead in this regard.
re: #64 Belafon
Trump announces that he’s going to pick Sanders before even asking Sanders.
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Heh. I gotta bring it back out…the ‘shop image I did that got some groans back in December. I am now no longer the only one that has made some fun of this whole idea.
And please keep in mind, I like Bernie. I think he has run a way better campaign than anyone first thought he would. Many people looked at him as just a name, some guy to get to run against Hillary and not much else. Well, he has offered much more than just a name. He stirs stuff up, got a bunch of younger folks into politics and makes a lot of people aware of banking, political funding, trade agreements and made people hold Hillary accountable for much of it.
Bernie is doing his job. And he is doing it well.
But there can be fun in politics…and back in December I sort of saw the humor in the far ends of the political spectrum which was Bernie far left and Trump far right.
So thanks Belafon for making my stupid image not quite as stupid!
Trump Sanders 2016 The unexpected!Looking at the diary titles at Daily Kos, I think the best course of action right now is to let things run their course. The Sanders supporters there are already starting to split between die-hard never quit types and those that see he’s not going to win and it really is time to start thinking about Trump. Yes, some in the first group will turn on the second at some point, but that will only cause more people to move away from them.
On to Trump.
re: #417 Belafon
Looking at the diary titles at Daily Kos, I think the best course of action right now is to let things run their course. The Sanders supporters there are already starting to split between die-hard never quit types and those that see he’s not going to win and it really is time to start thinking about Trump. Yes, some in the first group will turn on the second at some point, but that will only cause more people to move away from them.
On to Trump.
Agreed. There are a lot of folks who invested a lot into the campaign and it is only fair to give them their space when trying to deal with their loss imho.
re: #416 ObserverArt
Bernie by my measure was by far the most positive and potentially helpful factor in the whole primary. Not a great presidential prospect but an excellent voice to our conscience. To the changes so many of us understand that are needed and efforts still lacking.
re: #403 lawhawk
Bill Kristol’s in the sauce again:
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Kristolmeth has been hitting the pipe again!
I just can’t help but wonder how bad Trump would lose against a Clinton/Sanders ticket regardless of who he picks as his running mate.
Scouring the comments over at Daily Kos, I found the goto website for keeping their Berning going: caucus99percent.com.
re: #423 Belafon
It’s their Unskewed Polls.
Collateral damage of Obama’s announcement: “Sen Franken’s 6th Annual Minnesota Congressional Delegation Hotdish Competition to Be Postponed”
— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) March 16, 2016
re: #410 Franklin
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Bernie should be courting all those Independents who are superdelegates.
Oh…wait….
re: #424 GlutenFreeJesus
It’s their Unskewed Polls.
yep:
First, from the perspective of March 1st, we’re where we realistically hoped to be on March 15. Maybe even better than we hoped.
If you have the time, read the comments on this diary: dailykos.com. When you read it, don’t read it as a Clinton supporter if you are one, read it as a Sociologist. As I said, I think the best course is just to let them work through the process.
Good news for @SenSanders supporters! He still leads in the all important matchup of feels. @BenJealous https://t.co/2949NT1LzO
— UnprintableHandleGuy (@goddamnedfrank) March 16, 2016
Who is Trump’s foreign policy team?
It’s the voices in his head.
Trump on his foreign policy team: “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain & I’ve said a lot of things.”
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) March 16, 2016
Just realized that Monday was my three-year LGF hatchiversary.
Time flies…
Here’s an interesting comment:
Democratic presidential primary 2.0 elects a total of 2033 pledged delegates. If Bernie Sanders wins those races (and delegates) by the same 60-40 margin that he has amassed in primaries and caucuses outside the “Old South” to date, then that will give him an advantage of 407 pledged delegates. That is more — far more — than the current Clinton margin of 223.
Almost 700 pledged delegates are chosen on June 7 alone. It seems unlikely that either candidate will accumulate a margin of 700 pledged delegates before then. So this one may come down to the wire.
I don’t think the person is correct about the margins outside of the south, because otherwise he would have won Illinois, Missouri, and Massachusetts. Does anyone have a way to calculate that?
.@tedcruz tells me he won’t go “on bended knee, with my hat in hand” to Mitch McConnell to unify @GOP against @realDonaldTrump. #FNPolitics
— James Rosen (@JamesRosenFNC) March 16, 2016
re: #431 lawhawk
Who is Trump’s foreign policy team?
It’s the voices in his head.
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Well, Dr. Ben did say there are two Donald Trumps.
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
Being Ted Cruz means you are even less liked than Drumpfskind.
A Garland nomination would be the ultimate endorsement of qualifications in a nomination, over any attempt to score any political points.
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) March 16, 2016
Democrats apparently have just been briefed by the White House, likely explaining the leaks now. Numerous press reports that it is Garland.
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) March 16, 2016
re: #433 Belafon
And Ohio is not the “old south” and if the model didn’t work for Ohio it won’t work overall.
Eventually the reality of more Democrats voting for Hillary means Hillary becomes the nominee will sink in… but it may take a while.
OK, even I can’t stay completely away from being sarcastic:
Obama scheduled his SCOTUS pick to derail Sanders’ momentum!!
From our review of potential nominees in 2010, Judge Garland: https://t.co/pGIQsxUBlk
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) March 16, 2016
re: #433 Belafon
You’re right of course, and the person’s math is way off.
Hillary won MA 50.1% to 48.6%, winning 63 delegates to 46.
Bernie won MI by a slim majority 49.8 to 49.3%.
Hillary won IL 50.5% to 48.7%.
Those are big delegate states outside the “South”. Nothing suggests Bernie winning 60% of the vote there. He has won some states by that kind of margin, but those aren’t states with big delegate counts.
re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth
Interesting. Garland was confirmed in 1997 by a 76-23 vote. Not that it matters. It’s all about the pick’s qualifications.
re: #405 The Vicious Babushka
Baby Whiplash is having another Blind Squirrel Broken Clock moment, thanks to the Drumpfenjugend who swarm his timeline.
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For the first time in my life I retweeted Ben Shapiro. I don’t expect to ever do that again but I’m not sorry for this one, because Damn but he gave the white nationists a good whack with that line!
Today:
Cruz: “Lets talk about Missouri!”
Kasich: “Lets talk about Ohio!”
Obama: “SCOTUS”
GOP: pic.twitter.com/vhULV3qkwB— Steve Marmel (@Marmel) March 16, 2016
re: #442 GlutenFreeJesus
Interesting. Garland was confirmed in 1997 by a 76-23 vote. Not that it matters. It’s all about the pick’s qualifications.
He was picked by Clinton in 96, and Republicans sat on his pick, saying the 10th circuit didn’t need any more members. He was then repicked in 97 and confirmed.
Yep, I had to go find out who he was.
re: #431 lawhawk
Who is Trump’s foreign policy team?
It’s the voices in his head.
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Oh my god that shit is for real.
“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I know what I’m doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff.”
CNN: Obama Picks Garland for Supreme Court
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama will nominate Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court Wednesday morning, multiple congressional sources tell CNN, setting up a dramatic political fight with Senate Republicans who have vowed to block any replacement for the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
Merrick Garland, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, has been considered in the past for a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.
Merrick Garland, a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, has been considered in the past for a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.Garland, 63, the chief judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, has been on short lists before. An appointee of President Bill Clinton, Garland is a graduate of Harvard and Harvard Law School. As a Justice Department lawyer he supervised the investigations in the Unabomber case as well as the Oklahoma City bombing.
A very young @OrrinHatch talking about how much he admires Merrick Garland: https://t.co/jgTynJTO53
Now he refuses to even hold a hearing— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) March 16, 2016
I’m kinda surprised that Obama would go with Chief Judge Merrick Garland (as the leaks seem to be indicating) over Srinivasan, but we are talking about a Chief Judge of a Circuit Court of Appeals who has seniority over a newish federal judge.
His name has come up before, and this writeup of Garland by Scotusblog in 2010 still applies.
By all accounts, he is widely respected and a brilliant jurist.
re: #433 Belafon
That person is incorrect and he missed HRC getting the broom out of the closet this morning.
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re: #449 lawhawk
I’m kinda surprised that Obama would go with Chief Judge Merrick Garland (as the leaks seem to be indicating) over Srinivasan, but we are talking about a Chief Judge of a Circuit Court of Appeals who has seniority over a newish federal judge.
His name has come up before, and this writeup of Garland by Scotusblog in 2010 still applies.
By all accounts, he is widely respected and a brilliant jurist.
From what I’ve seen, the only negative is that he’s 63. I know most people were hoping for someone closer to 50 just to have the seat held for a longer time.
re: #446 goddamnedfrank
Oh, you thought I was making that up that he was deciding foreign policy by hearing the voices in his head? HA! Puny GDF.
Oh wait. Shit. He really is listening to the voices in his head.
Trump continues to express every idiotic statement the GOP has ever uttered about anything, and exhibits every last sociopathic and debased belief that the GOP dog whistles.
Butthurt BernieBot in my mentions.
Where do I go to sign up for this sweet Hillary cash?
@viciousbabushka Why spread corruption & sabotage democracy? b/c #Imwithher pays you? #Hillarysocorrupt pic.twitter.com/iSgqQtZkNE
— PredatoryEcoFeminism (@PercyGoneWild) March 16, 2016
Merrick Garland was on short list for SCOTUS twice before. Highly-regarded judge and prosecutor, who’s won bipartisan plaudits.
— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) March 16, 2016
re: #456 The Vicious Babushka
Butthurt BernieBot in my mentions.
Where do I go to sign up for this sweet Hillary cash?
I would reply “Republicans claim I’m getting Soros money, and you’re claiming I’m getting Clinton money. Where is it? I’m still waiting.”
re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth
He was born old.
I know people like that — taught a few of them when they were (chronologically) teenagers.
re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth
Therefore he’s the most radical person ever nominated for the Supreme Court.
re: #456 The Vicious Babushka
Butthurt BernieBot in my mentions.
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If that idiot thinks Bernie is totally corrupt free then I have some fairy dust to sell him.
What Orrin Hatch said about Garland LAST WEEK https://t.co/QfOXCPNicV pic.twitter.com/sVmrzD5mPF
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) March 16, 2016
Guys I think it’s gonna be Clinton. https://t.co/I8rgYFGjMk
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) March 16, 2016
Obama calls Sen. Orrin Hatch’s bluff and names Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court https://t.co/rrSE8HUT6i
— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) March 16, 2016
President Obama knows exactly what he’s doing. #DoYourJob pic.twitter.com/KteHISx4dx
— meta (@metaquest) March 16, 2016
re: #466 Backwoods_Sleuth
Hatch will make some gesture of support, whereupon he will be promptly called a RINO.
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
Hatch will make some gesture of support, whereupon he will be promptly called a RINO.
Is Hatch up for re-election in November?
Not everyone is pleased.
So much for progressive activists’ push for Obama to nominate a woman of color to the Supreme Court
— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) March 16, 2016
Instead, a corporate-friendly, neoliberal man. Sigh. https://t.co/yuoEBhrxMC
— ChrisInParis (@ChrisInParis) March 16, 2016
re: #465 Tigger2
More intriguing post on 538:
It’s Still Not Clear That Donald Trump Will Get a Majority of Delegates
[…]
The bad news for Trump is pretty clear: even with a Missouri win, he would still have won only a little more than 47 percent of the delegates allocated so far. Moreover, he’ll need to win a little more than 54 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot. That’s certainly possible given there are several winner-take-all states to come, and Trump may do well in big East Coast states such as New York and New Jersey. Trump is also in a good position in Arizona, a winner-take-all state that votes next Tuesday.
Still, there are plenty of ways the delegate math can go haywire for him. My own delegate estimate has Trump falling short of the 1,237 delegates he needs because he has done poorly in the west so far, and many of those states haven’t voted yet. It’s also possible that Kasich plays better than we might think among moderate voters in the remaining states to vote in New England and Mid-Atlantic.
[…]
LOL:
John Boehner backs Paul Ryan for president, calls Ted Cruz ‘Lucifer’ https://t.co/iUQmWIoiNk #JohnBoehner #PaulRyan pic.twitter.com/nkMo6UwSRl
— The Washington Times (@WashTimes) March 16, 2016
The people on stage at Trump’s victory speech are horrible garbage humans #tcot #UniteBlue https://t.co/fcurrR5BIi pic.twitter.com/6zsTAXHbGx
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 16, 2016
Donald Trump says he will not attend the next Republican presidential debate: https://t.co/2bBYqYYuLt pic.twitter.com/ZUqxniKFJj
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) March 16, 2016
What? Trump won’t visit my state?
GOOD.
re: #471 Lidane
So much for Paul Ryan: “He will not accept a nomination & believes (the GOP) nominee should be someone who ran this year,” per aides.
— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) March 16, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
Not everyone is pleased.
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They forget Obama is facing an obstructionist Congress. It’s a wise choice, given Garland’s CV and prior approval.
The White House has launched @SCOTUSnom today in conjunction with President Obama’s coming #SCOTUS nominee.
— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) March 16, 2016
Trump would pick Judge Judy or Judge Jeanine Ducklips.
In two words: it doesn’t. Very odd strategy from the White House. https://t.co/NlTH8ZaFVN
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) March 16, 2016
If Judge Merrick Garland is the choice and the GOP blocks, how exactly does this fire up the Dem base in November? Will it?
— rolandsmartin (@rolandsmartin) March 16, 2016
That they won’t even nominate a safe pick??!? That’s not motivation enough???
re: #471 Lidane
Lucifer must have been what others on the Hill called Cruz behind his back. In an ironic way, I’m sure.
re: #448 Backwoods_Sleuth
A very young Orrin Hatch talking about how much he admires Merrick Garland:
Now he refuses to even hold a hearing
Obama is having an easy time making these fellows look like cantankerous obstructionists. Probably because that’s about all they are.
re: #478 Jenner7
Obstructing @Potus’ #SCOTUS pick is still obstructing, even if it isn’t as liberal a pick as some want. @JoyAnnReid
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) March 16, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
Not everyone is pleased.
There were probably a few political constraints given that he’s got to try to get this Congress to approve his nominee, but Obama does seem to be picking people based on their qualifications, which he’s said - and I believe - does include personal experience. Three picks for him, one of them a white male.
re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth
So much for Paul Ryan: “He will not accept a nomination & believes (the GOP) nominee should be someone who ran this year,” per aides.
Meaning: “The nominee should be Kasich.”
re: #475 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
They forget Obama is facing an obstructionist Congress. It’s a wise choice, given Garland’s CV and prior approval.
I preferred Srinivasan but Judge Garland is a good pick. We weren’t going to get someone in the vein of Sotomayor or Kagan. If those progressives are so upset, they should be upset at the progressives who refuse to vote in midterm elections whenever they feel betrayed which is part of why we have the GOP running the Senate in the first place. Anyhow even a judicial centrist like Garland is a vast improvement over what Scalia stood for.
re: #478 Jenner7
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That they won’t even nominate a safe pick??!? That’s not motivation enough???
It will be motivation enough for inside baseballers (that’s all of us). But for the average Joe/Jane to see them obstructing social-progress that would be (hopefully) wide spread motivation.
Nominating Garland, who has no appeal to Democratic base, represents political malfeasance.
— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) March 16, 2016
Oh FFS.
re: #473 Jenner7
It’s Drumpf’s way of getting Fox News to submit to him.
mohr sads:
Nominating a 63-year-old white man who doesn’t appeal to Democratic base wouldn’t have been my first choice
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) March 16, 2016
Damn. Orrin Hatch hasn’t posted a tweet since July 17, 2004. I wanted to troll him. :(
JUST IN: @SenatorReid says GOP leaders have made it clear that “they have no intention of considering the nominee” https://t.co/hj4X6FbNL1
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) March 16, 2016
re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus
Damn. Orrin Hatch hasn’t posted a tweet since July 17, 2004. I wanted to troll him. :(
So did I.
Any chance this is just a sacrificial offering? Give the white, male, moderate—watch him get blown off—come back with Hindu?
Oh Goldie.
This was never about the Court. https://t.co/E7VFyz9GH0
— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) March 16, 2016
re: #492 Barefoot Grin
Any chance this is just a sacrificial offering? Give the white, male, moderate—watch him get blown off—come back with Hindu?
The point is to find someone whom the GOP once overwhelmingly and publicly supported, just to remind us all that their chief and only mission in congress is to obstruct.
re: #490 Backwoods_Sleuth
Fine. Then Hillary can pick Sri. :)
Re: President Obama’s Supreme Court pick (if it is Garland)…
He puts the GOP Senate in a pickle with this choice at virtually no political cost to himself. Garland is well-thought-of by many Senate Republicans, he has a long history of not being a flaming liberal and he’s getting on in years. It makes it very difficult for them to obstruct the “advise and consent” process as they have promised to do. It would have been easier for them to block the process for a younger, more liberal candidate put forward by Obama who already has two left-leaning Supreme Court picks under his belt.
If they do decide to block any appointment they will have to keep on doing so all the way up to the election in November which is gravy for Hillary and all the Senate seats up for re-election at that time. If they don’t block this appointment the Supreme Court is back up to speed with the New Guy being (it seems) not a doctrinaire right-winger like the dearly departed Antonin so it swings away from the right. If Garland is given a hearing and voted down on a party-line count in the Senate then it’s not a loss for Obama either.
Sri Srinivasan is certainly in line to be appointed by President Clinton in her first term when a vacancy comes up (probably on the retirement of Notorious RBG who is not in the best of health). It may be that Obama has discussed this with Hillary already as he’s someone who likes to plan ahead. She should have a friendlier Senate to deal with by then.
There’s 3 dimensional chess in play again.
If the GOP refuses to consider Merrick, who’s more of a centrist, or they drag him through the mud, and then refuse to consider, Obama might turn around and be like - you’ve blocked this one, and then go for the jugular with someone like Srinivasan.
Liberals might be upset that Obama didn’t go for Srinivasan or Kelly right off the bat, but that assumes that they wanted the job - knowing that they’ll be the recipients of a vicious mudslinging campaign to obstruct the President’s pick and prerogative.
Merrick has the benefit of being someone that several key GOPers voted to confirm to the federal courts previously. They now have to defend blocking him to the Supreme Court based on the favorable things they’ve said previously.
This is the most ‘totally about the Court’ pick.
Yes, Obama picking lame while male will disappoint Democrats and will stay home in November. Welcome, President Trump. //
Gah!
re: #494 SoundGuy 2016
Oh Goldie.
This was never about the Court.
Goldie is right in one way: but the point is that in a normal world, a President and Congress would be working jointly on finding a new SCOTUS nominee and starting the process instead of listening to the GOP quote some obscure “precedent” about why they refuse outright to even open hearings.
Here’s the first statement I received from a liberal group that is not happy about the Garland pick. pic.twitter.com/CE5eYQmDCC
— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) March 16, 2016
re: #492 Barefoot Grin
Any chance this is just a sacrificial offering? Give the white, male, moderate—watch him get blown off—come back with Hindu?
I was just going to call this a “feint,” but yeah, same idea.
Not that I’m upset about it; I would have preferred Srinivasan, based on what little I know, but I think I’ll trust POTUS on this one.
re: #492 Barefoot Grin
Any chance this is just a sacrificial offering? Give the white, male, moderate—watch him get blown off—come back with Hindu?
Wouldn’t surprise me. Using Garland to get people to notice just how childish the GOP is being about this while saving his #1 pick for a hopeful democrat majority after November.
re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth
mohr sads:
A black man picks a qualified white man for office after picking a white woman and a Latino woman. I hope this doesn’t sound too much like I’m trying to channel MLK Jr, but it seems that Obama is mainly choosing based on qualifications. There’s obviously some politics here due to the Republicans and the election, but it’s not like Garland is an out of the blue choice.
re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth
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NOW is bitching that Obama didn’t appoint an African American female?
We have a live blog starting in five minutes to cover and answer questions about the nomination.
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) March 16, 2016
re: #505 Belafon
A black man picks a qualified white man for office after picking a white woman and a Latino woman. I hope this doesn’t sound too much like I’m trying to channel MLK Jr, but it seems that Obama is mainly choosing based on qualifications. There’s obviously some politics here due to the Republicans and the election, but it’s not like Garland is an out of the blue choice.
Obama knows at this point that he could nominate Zombie Reagan and still find Congress uncooperative.
re: #413 The Vicious Babushka
How Hillary polls against trump
Better even: UK bookmakers (Go to the interactive pie chart. I know nothing about British gambling establishments.)
re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus
Natch just set up a Twitter account to hold onto his name on Twitter.
If anyone doesn’t think POTUS knows what he’s doing is living in Other World.
THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY (SO FAR)
Donald Trump didn’t incite violence… liberals did! https://t.co/ikHnzPssw2 #tcot #TrumpTrain pic.twitter.com/Za4Tc3Zu5y
— Liz Wheeler (@Liz_Wheeler) March 15, 2016
I certainly hope this Supreme Court nominee is judged solely on his merricks
— Victor Brand (@recordedvoice) March 16, 2016
Ha!
My cat is sad because he woke from a nightmare in which Donald Trump ran for President then he realised it was real. pic.twitter.com/eaD3qm1Zqa
— WHY MY CAT IS SAD (@MYSADCAT) March 16, 2016
I had to wait a while before I could do this. Here’s a Las Vegas news report about the crash that cost my student Ashlee her left arm. It turns out she and her family were in Vegas for her wedding.
And a report from WHAS-11 in Louisville
whas11.com
Trump warns of “riots” if GOP power-brokers deny him the nomination at the convention https://t.co/e8vaAqLx25 pic.twitter.com/H6kajxVWKL
— Bloomberg Business (@business) March 16, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
When both sides scream, it’s probably a good pick. For the left nothing Obama does is progressive enough (and a reliable forecast for HRC) and for the Republicans nothing he does is white enough.
re: #430 goddamnedfrank
Good news for @SenSanders supporters! He still leads in the all important matchup of feels.
Don’t ever underestimate the electoral importance of ‘feels’.
re: #512 b.d.
Obama Nominates White Dude For Dead Scalia’s Supreme Court Seat, GOP Obviously Appalled https://t.co/37QCkHN8gZ pic.twitter.com/axacmGffln
— Wonkette (@Wonkette) March 16, 2016
re: #513 Dave In Austin
If anyone doesn’t think POTUS knows what he’s doing is living in Other World.
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
re: #514 The Vicious Babushka
THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY (SO FAR)
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That blurb factory was created specifically to make Fox look sane.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
Party over country once again. Utterly despicable.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
Too late. Trump and Cruz have already taken care of that.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
Well your party deserves whatever bad things it gets out of nominating Trump and blocking a capable candidate for the USSC not out of principle but fear of their unhinged base. Just don’t cry to me if the Democrats one day block a GOP Supreme Court nominee who like Judge Garland is qualified but has the audacity to be appointed to replace a liberal favorite on the court. because that is the dangerous precedent your party is creating if they block Garland.
re: #523 Decatur Deb
That blurb factory was created specifically to make Fox look sane.
That girl looks like a real human Barbie doll.
re: #518 goddamnedfrank
Trump warns of “riots” if GOP power-brokers deny him the nomination at the convention
Cleveland beerhalls should do a booming business.
We must kowtow to our racist base, GOP über alles!
Gang mentality.
re: #525 Backwoods_Sleuth
Too late. Trump and Cruz have already taken care of that.
For fuck sake, the second finalist for this nomination was a man that Cruz even praised. This is all about the GOP knowing that whoever Obama picked, that he or she will reverse a lot of the IMO bad decisions that Scalia was a decidiing majority on upholding a lot of things he would have reversed. It’s not principle. It’s not Obama’s fault that Scalia died in his last year in office. People die. If John Adams can appoint John Marshall after one of the most vicious elections in history or FDR can appoint Frank Murphy after two years earlier being sharply criticized by both parties for the court packing scheme, then Barack Obama should be able to get his nominee at the very least a hearing. The GOP is creating some terrible precedent for future judicial nominees here including their own. As I said don’t cry to me if this eventually does happen down the line to a respected conservative leaning jurist.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
However, I have seen polls that say 67% of the public want Congress to proceed with the nominations process.
Besides, it’s the Constitutional *DUTY* of Congress to proceed. Nothing in the Constitution says anything about party before national duty.
I know you put party loyalty above all else, damn the torpedoes and icebergs, but condoning this kind of patently illegal and unethical behavior by your party really takes the cake.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
And I downdinged you, something I reserve only for the most extreme of trolls.
You’re welcome.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
The GOP is already fractured. Nothing Obama does changes that inescapable fact.
The GOP position for the past 7+ years has been obstructionism. That hasn’t changed with the Garland pick. The GOP leadership decided moments after Scalia’s death was announced that they would never allow Obama to pick his replacement. Think about that a moment.
A completely unprecedented action to obstruct and deny the President his constitutional duty to nominate. That’s the GOP position. It’s unsupported by law or prior political action.
The GOP has decided that Obama’s successor should pick, and the GOP wants their nominee to do the picking.
Given the current delegate count and likelihood of success, that means that McConnell and the rest of the GOP establishment are giving the nominating power to Trump should he win in November. Think on that a moment.
But how will they address the fact that Clinton winning in November means that she will have the option of continuing with the Merrick nomination, or submitting her own option, who may very well be Srinivasan. Or Kelly.
In which case, the GOP options go from bad to worse.
When all the GOP has done is obstruct, their options are limited and get only moreso the longer this goes on.
This is all because the GOP doesn’t care about governing or legislating.
The GOP has been all about slashing and burning government at all levels - local, state, and federal. They’ve sought to destroy the safety net, and don’t care who they hurt.
Moreover, they continue to push policies that do nothing but shift burdens from the rich on to everyone else.
Yet, you continue to support this? I get it - party before country. Millions of fellow Republicans are doing it - and will do it because they’ll pull the trigger for Trump over any Democrat on the ballot.
But the GOP offers no solutions. None. Only bogeymen and failed “policies” that do more harm than good for all Americans.
re: #526 HappyWarrior
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
DF, when is party loyalty a breaking point for you? Honest question. When do you say to the GOP that you’ve had enough of them or is this a sort of till death do us part thing here? Honest question. Because this is a really bad precedent being created here. Your party’s leaders by your own admission refuse to stand up to the base because they’re afraid of them. If that’s not non-existent leadership, I don’t know what is, and your party’s leaders have the audacity to question Obama’s leadership skills when they do stuff like that. At least Obama isn’t afraid of his party’s base.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
The GOP has spent the last 7 years not compromising. Seriously, Mitch McConnell held a press conference IN THE CAPITOL in 2010 saying that the Republicans’ top priority in the Senate was ensuring that Obama was a one term president. As a wise man once said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. Either the base is insane, the establishment is insane, or both are insane. I say this as a former Republican, you need to accept the fact that your party has lost its damn mind and is basically throwing a decade long tantrum.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
That base is fruit loops crazy, and the party leadership needs to wake up and take over the damned asylum.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise.
Dude. They’re about to compromise everything they say they believe in and nominate an obvious carnival barker for POTUS. After the last eight years of babbling that Obama’s an inexperienced empty suit, Republicans are going to go with a narcissistic billionaire that’s never held political office before as who they want to have access to the nukes. Don’t pretend that the GOP are paragons of principle.
re: #530 HappyWarrior
The GOP is creating some terrible precedent for future judicial nominees here including their own. As I said don’t cry to me if this eventually does happen down the line to a respected conservative leaning jurist.
But BORK! Except that Bork got his hearings and votes.
The GOP flat out stated they’d refuse even hearings on any nomination, and that Obama shouldn’t even nominate because reasons.
Democrats in the future could easily pull out this video the next time a GOPer is in the WH and has a vacancy to fill. They wont (and as the Bork instance shows, they did allow hearings and votes) but the precedent is now out there.
It’s a dangerous one at that. The GOP will bring disaster upon themselves because obstructionism is all they have left. This is a party bereft of ideas or policies.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
That is so much bullshit.
And I say that as a Republican who does not blindly follow party over country.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
So your party’s base hatred of Obama and anything connected with him should take precedence over the very real fact we have a Supreme Court vacancy. When does it end with them? I get it. Your party’s base hates the President (they really need to see a team of psychiatrists about that by the way, it’s not healthy to hate him someone that much. but if your governance is based off of just hate and reaction, you ain’t governing, you’re being a demagogue. and your party is filled with them right now judging by who the finalists are in your party’s primary.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
Your base is no longer large enough to carry a general election.
STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
They sacrifice for our right to say #MerryChristmas. God be with those who serve! #GodBlessMilitary #TCOT #CCOT pic.twitter.com/ps94fHkqun
— Chris (@crystalallclear) March 16, 2016
re: #546 The Vicious Babushka
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And they sacrifice to say all sorts of other things, including “Fuck you!”
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
Hello Dark,
This is in no way meant to be snarky or confrontational, but I have an honest question. How large do you think this ”base” is?
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
“My party is full of racists and transphobic schmucks, and fundamentally anti-intellectual, which is why we can’t agree with Obama”
No wonder the nuts took over.
re: #540 lawhawk
But BORK! Except that Bork got his hearings and votes.
The GOP flat out stated they’d refuse even hearings on any nomination, and that Obama shouldn’t even nominate because reasons.
Democrats in the future could easily pull out this video the next time a GOPer is in the WH and has a vacancy to fill. They wont (and as the Bork instance shows, they did allow hearings and votes) but the precedent is now out there.
It’s a dangerous one at that. The GOP will bring disaster upon themselves because obstructionism is all they have left. This is a party bereft of ideas or policies.
Bork also had Republicans opposing him. If they want to make Merrick Garland into the liberal Robert Bork, they can be my fucking guest. But you’re right. For all the Democrats and yes Republican criticism of Bork too. The man was at least given a hearing. Mitch won’t even consider that for whom we now know is Judge Garland. It’s a shameful chapter in the history of the Senate. We’re going to look back and see how members of the opposition treated this President and be disgusted and the worst thing of all is that it’s not even principle. It’s that their base is filled with mental toddlers who say no to anything related to Obama. Again tough shit for them that their hero Sacalia died in Obama’s presidency. I’m sure liberals would have preferred if Justice Marshall resigned in Clinton’s too but they didn’t use that to refuse to give Thomas so much a hearing. If they have actual differences with Garland, fair enough but that’s the thing. They really don’t seem to have any. It’s just they hate the man who is nominating him.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
So Republicans can (mis)cite precedent to argue their (poorly thought out, stupid, and honestly slightly dangerous) position but they don’t give a flying fuck about setting precedent for if/when (and it will be when) this happens in the future? Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid/insane that sounds? Might as well say “sure, I’ve never driven on the left side of the freeway before, but I’m really late for an important meeting, so I’m going to drive on the left side of the freeway and whatever happens later on, happens.”
re: #551 goddamnedfrank
Might be a trick.
“And here to tell you who my nominee is, is my good friend Judge Garland.”
Waiting for Biden to lean over to Obama’s ear and say “This is a BFD”.
re: #546 The Vicious Babushka
STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
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Last I saw you could still say Merry Christmas. God wingnuts are so stupid with their stupdi memes using the troops as props for their bullshit.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Democrats always telegraph their punches. Democrats want us to fight over this. It is a reasonable pick, pissing and moaning will make the Republicans look bad (worse) and he will get confirmed in the end. I personally was hoping it was Senator Gillibrand from NY.
re: #549 lizardofid
Hello Dark,
This is in no way meant to be snarky or confrontational, but I have an honest question. How large do you think this ”base” is?
Doesn’t matter. It’s the GOP base and Dark is a GOP lifer gang member. He’s put literally ZERO thought into his political affiliation, it’s something he’s inherited from his father’s side of the family, just like his y chromosome, only probably even more impossible for him to get rid of.
.@scotusnom Merrick Garland is a thoughtful jurist with impeccable credentials; if he can’t get bipartisan support no one can. #DoYourJob
— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) March 16, 2016
At some point, everyone needs to decide whether to put the national interest first or to put party loyalty first. IMO, if the party is working against the national interests, then it’s time to break party ranks and serve the nation, not the party.
We can argue endlessly about the ACA, the Iran nuclear deal, Syria, immigration, because they are open to debate. Proceeding with the SCOTUS nominations process, which is specified in the Constitution as an explicit duty of the executive and legislative branches, is simply not debatable. It’s the fucking law.
If your party has publicly declined to even hold hearings to vet the president’s nominee, just because they don’t like the president, then it is working against the national interests. It harms the working of government and betrays the public trust. It’s unethical, petty, childish, idiotic and morally bankrupt.
Nation before party. Simple as that. Get a clue.
re: #310 BeachDem
Sherrod Brown, according to the On the Issues Rating.
Sherrod Brown is described as a Hard-Core Liberal.But, because he supports Hillary, he’s not “pure” enough for them. Sigh.
Sherrod Brown is his own man and a pretty good judge of left/liberal/democrat real politics. He is no dummy and he can run a campaign. Thank God he took Mikey DeWin in 2006 for the senate seat. Ohio needed that.
He also happens to be from my hometown area of Ohio and I remember his first campaign for Ohio State Senate back in ‘74. He had a tent at the county fair and my buddy that knew him and I talked to him for some time. I’ve followed and voted for him whenever I could from that time on. Good dude. The Sanders supporters don’t know leftist liberal politics if they deny anything Brown.
When I was in the Navy, the only time the first amendment came up was us bitching and moaning about how it didn’t apply to us: Saying things about the president can get you in trouble.
re: #546 The Vicious Babushka
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Wingnuts melt down in a ragegasm of Obama derangement
Listening to shyster Obama talk about how the SCOTUS is ‘about laws, not men’ as he nominates a judge known 2 legislate from the bench #tcot
— Legalize Liberty (@LibertyMartyr) March 16, 2016
Merrick Garland is the one who wants to take away all our guns and obviously our rights #SCOTUSnominee pic.twitter.com/0giAtuKLhk
— Jenna Abrams (@Jenn_Abrams) March 16, 2016
so @potus a little dignity please? the occasion demands it. Even if you are classless. #p2 #dem #uniteblue #tcot
— American Patriot (@ar20org) March 16, 2016
Obama to nominate Merrick Garland for SCOTUS, because the surname gives him happy thoughts of #ISIS attacks on US soil. #tcot
— dissident_maddy (@dissident_maddy) March 16, 2016
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
Wow. Let me paraphrase ‘The only way out of this hole is to keep digging’
re: #538 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
That base is fruit loops crazy, and the party leadership needs to wake up and take over the damned asylum.
They can’t “take over the damned asylum” because right now they couldn’t recruit enough people to do the job. That’s why someone like Ted Cruz is needed as leader: The party’s supporters need to know that their leader isn’t someone who is going to roll over and play footsie with the Democrats. Republicans need someone who will force the Dems to go their voters and explain why they had to a bad deal as opposed to no deal at all, someone who will hold the line of spending and will work hard to make sure Democrats take the blame for any resulting government shutdown and won’t roll over and give away the store when the pressure gets too high.
And if that sounds like something Mark Levine or Dennis Prager would say, that’s because that’s what the those men have made clear as being what their listeners want.
If you need to downding that, feel free to do so. But I’m not trying to piss folks here off, what I’m trying to say is that for Republicans to confirm a Obama appointee to the Supreme Court this year would be an utter disaster for the party. So they aren’t going to do it.
What the rest of America decides to do about that is what they decide to do. Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences.
That’s all for now. BBT
re: #566 The Vicious Babushka
Wingnuts melt down in a ragegasm of Obama derangement
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This is your party’s base DF. These are the people that McConnelll is putting before the American people as a whole. People who think Obama wants a fucking ISIS attack on our nation. Fuck your party dude. I hope Trump destroys them. It’s a shame too. Your party had a noble role in much of American history but when history is written about their role in the Obama years, it will write about how they appeased the racist element in their base rather than working with the first African-American President.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
You’ve got yours.
re: #534 Dark_Falcon
What the Dems do in the future is what they’ll do. Republican officeholders of today can’t worry about that, they need to focus on making sure their party based trusts them and said base wants an unapologetic holding of the line with nothing conceded to Obama. Tomorrow will have to take care of itself.
This is all wrong. COUNTRY first, party second.
THAT’S what they should be taking care of today.
COUNTRY first.
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
They can’t “take over the damned asylum” because right now they couldn’t recruit enough people to do the job. That’s why someone like Ted Cruz is needed as leader< The party’s supporters need to know that their leader isn’t someone who is going to roll over and play footsie with the Democrats. Republicans need someone who will force the Dems to go their voters and explain why they had to a bad deal as opposed to no deal at all, someone who will hold the line of spending and will work hard to make sure Democrats take the blame for any resulting government shutdown and won’t roll over and give away the store when the pressure gets too high.
And if that sounds like something Mark Levine or Dennis Prager would say, that’s because that’s what the those men have made clear as being what their listeners want.
If you need to downding that, feel free to do so. But I’m not trying to piss folks here off, what I’m trying to say is that for Republicans to confirm a Obama appointee to the Supreme Court this year would be an utter disaster for the party. So they aren’t going to do it.What the rest of America decides to do about that is what they decide to do. Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences.
That’s all for now. BBT
From saying you’ll never vote for the guy to now saying he’s needed as leader. Okay, dude I fully expect you to be singing the praises of Trump by summer. I really think you need to do some deep soul searching. You’re not unintelligent but your blind loyalty to the GOP is one of the most sad things I’ve seen because we all know you’re more intelligent than that.
The GOP’s utter debasement in not doing their damn job by nominating a SCOTUS almost a year before the next POTUS is what’s destroying the party. You, the GOP, and all the ideologues, have it bass ackwards. Ideology before country, ends justify the means, to hell with the rest.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
By the way your party has done anything but play footsie with the Democrats. They’ve probably been among the least cooperative oppositions in American history for this administration.
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
They can’t “take over the damned asylum” because right now they couldn’t recruit enough people to do the job. That’s why someone like Ted Cruz is needed as leader: The party’s supporters need to know that their leader isn’t someone who is going to roll over and play footsie with the Democrats. Republicans need someone who will force the Dems to go their voters and explain why they had to a bad deal as opposed to no deal at all, someone who will hold the line of spending and will work hard to make sure Democrats take the blame for any resulting government shutdown and won’t roll over and give away the store when the pressure gets too high.
And if that sounds like something Mark Levine or Dennis Prager would say, that’s because that’s what the those men have made clear as being what their listeners want.
If you need to downding that, feel free to do so. But I’m not trying to piss folks here off, what I’m trying to say is that for Republicans to confirm a Obama appointee to the Supreme Court this year would be an utter disaster for the party. So they aren’t going to do it.What the rest of America decides to do about that is what they decide to do. Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences.
That’s all for now. BBT
You just gave away the game. It’s all about assigning blame and winning the moment. Here’s a fact you need to realize: Democrats are never going to get blamed for shutting down the government because they are not the party fundamentally opposed to government at every turn (that’d be your party). Also, not to go Godwin, but I’m pretty sure “Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences” sounds better in the original German.
re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
59,995 karma points…please be generous today, I just live for life’s minor milestones!
Congrats! You made it.
Now we can ignore you! : )
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
The Democrats should be forced to explain to their base, and Dems should take the blame for any government shut down??????????????
That has got to be the most delusional thing you have ever posted here.
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
They can’t “take over the damned asylum” because right now they couldn’t recruit enough people to do the job. That’s why someone like Ted Cruz is needed as leader: The party’s supporters need to know that their leader isn’t someone who is going to roll over and play footsie with the Democrats. Republicans need someone who will force the Dems to go their voters and explain why they had to a bad deal as opposed to no deal at all, someone who will hold the line of spending and will work hard to make sure Democrats take the blame for any resulting government shutdown and won’t roll over and give away the store when the pressure gets too high.
And if that sounds like something Mark Levine or Dennis Prager would say, that’s because that’s what the those men have made clear as being what their listeners want.
If you need to downding that, feel free to do so. But I’m not trying to piss folks here off, what I’m trying to say is that for Republicans to confirm a Obama appointee to the Supreme Court this year would be an utter disaster for the party. So they aren’t going to do it.What the rest of America decides to do about that is what they decide to do. Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences.
That’s all for now. BBT
Ted Cruz is one of the major fruit loops and the head resident of the asylum.
Why does Tim Conway’s “Reluctant Kamikazi” skit come to mind?
re: #560 goddamnedfrank
Doesn’t matter. It’s the GOP base and Dark is a GOP lifer gang member. He’s put literally ZERO thought into his political affiliation, it’s something he’s inherited from his father’s side of the family, just like his y chromosome, only probably even more impossible for him to get rid of.
I just don’t get it. If a person really cares about a political party, I would think they would want it to survive. To me, this feels more like martyrdom, a suicide pact, which in my mind is not only the least productive, but also the least honorable path to affecting change.
imho
It’s official: President Obama’s #SCOTUS nominee is bad on guns https://t.co/7j2G5W7GBQ #2A
— NRA (@NRA) March 16, 2016
Pissing off the right sorts…
re: #581 lawhawk
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Pissing off the right sorts…
It’s official. The NRA thinks anyone who doesn’t think guns are wonderful is bad on guns.
Email from the HRC. Not too much on Garland’s record on LGBT issues but a lot about how he deserves a fair hearing which really is the point here.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
GOP is already fractured and disastrous. Leaders are just trying to keep it plastered over for the time being.
re: #585 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
GOP is already fractured and disastrous. Leaders are just trying to keep it plastered over for the time being.
Putting band aids on a profusely bleeding knife wound. Nah, I don’t need to go to the hospital!
Charles Johnson,
Samantha Bee Rocks! Thanks for sharing this with us!
re: #430 goddamnedfrank
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Someone give Ben Jealous a cookie and a glass of milk and then it is nappy time. He can wake back up and join the real world sometime in November. Maybe he will be in a better mood by then.
re: #546 The Vicious Babushka
They sacrifice for our right to say Merry Christmas. God be with those who serve!
And Happy Channukah and In’sh Allah and Joyous Festivus
re: #549 lizardofid
Hello Dark,
This is in no way meant to be snarky or confrontational, but I have an honest question. How large do you think this ”base” is?
around 40% of the GOP nominating electorate
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
Hatch will make some gesture of support, whereupon he will be promptly called a RINO.
They are ALL RINOs. There are no true Republicans anymore. They are a party of cranks selling BS to the unaware by feeding them bigotry to keep the ‘divide and conquer’ tricks going that make their base what they are.
Now they get TRUMP®.
Can it be any clearer that the party is not The Republican Party.
They are RINOs and now you are one too.
re: #426 lawhawk
Morning palate cleanser.
Seven Nation Army - nothing but guitars and drums.
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I always head for this version. There’s something about a French dude who looks like Urkel and sings like a bird that I really dig. Vocally, he reminds me of Terrence Trent-Darby.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
Right, party over country, over decency, over everything. Disgusting. Y’all need to burn those effing flag pins—they clearly mean nothing.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
What a complete load of crap…by that logic, the opposition party should never consider a SC nominee because the party base will always want the nominee blocked.
You don’t actually even believe in democracy. The letter of the Constitution is clear. But you’re more concerned with the current health of your party than the clear intent of our nation’s most important founding document.
Your obedient mindless hackery seems to get worse with each passing day. Is it CTE?
re: #498 lawhawk
There’s 3 dimensional chess in play again.
If the GOP refuses to consider Merrick, who’s more of a centrist, or they drag him through the mud, and then refuse to consider, Obama might turn around and be like - you’ve blocked this one, and then go for the jugular with someone like Srinivasan.
Liberals might be upset that Obama didn’t go for Srinivasan or Kelly right off the bat, but that assumes that they wanted the job - knowing that they’ll be the recipients of a vicious mudslinging campaign to obstruct the President’s pick and prerogative.
Merrick has the benefit of being someone that several key GOPers voted to confirm to the federal courts previously. They now have to defend blocking him to the Supreme Court based on the favorable things they’ve said previously.
I continue to be amazed by the people that somehow still can’t seem to be able to figure out Obama is a damn good politician and this nomination for a new Supreme most likely has some deft politics behind it. And who knows what kind of agreement there may be between Obama and Merrick?
Maybe Merrick has agreed to the politics behind it all, and is prepared to not be actually confirmed by the Senate. Maybe Merrick understands that he can be a pawn in the nomination of the next Supreme court judge by the next president (Hillary?) that will be confirmed by a newly regained Democratic Senate that could be in place due to the American people getting frustrated by Mitt and the Obstructionists doing what they are going to do.
I know I have a lot of maybe and coulds in there…but it is all maybe and could until it plays out to become…is!
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
You just can’t help yourself can you? This is the same crap you posted a day or so after Scalia died. You saw the reaction it got here then, but you roll it out again.
Hint…the Republican party IS already a disaster. Wake the hell up. If you love it so much start to work with others to fix it. And duct taping some crap like the party needs to not be seen for what it is, we can cover over it with BS isn’t going to fix it. You are hastening it going away.
Come to think of it…keep it up.
re: #536 HappyWarrior
DF, when is party loyalty a breaking point for you? Honest question. When do you say to the GOP that you’ve had enough of them or is this a sort of till death do us part thing here? Honest question. Because this is a really bad precedent being created here. Your party’s leaders by your own admission refuse to stand up to the base because they’re afraid of them. If that’s not non-existent leadership, I don’t know what is, and your party’s leaders have the audacity to question Obama’s leadership skills when they do stuff like that. At least Obama isn’t afraid of his party’s base.
Never.
We should all realize he is too hardheaded and will never change. And he will vote for Trump. And he isn’t worth downdings. They mean nothing.
re: #568 Dark_Falcon
They can’t “take over the damned asylum” because right now they couldn’t recruit enough people to do the job. That’s why someone like Ted Cruz is needed as leader: The party’s supporters need to know that their leader isn’t someone who is going to roll over and play footsie with the Democrats. Republicans need someone who will force the Dems to go their voters and explain why they had to a bad deal as opposed to no deal at all, someone who will hold the line of spending and will work hard to make sure Democrats take the blame for any resulting government shutdown and won’t roll over and give away the store when the pressure gets too high.
And if that sounds like something Mark Levine or Dennis Prager would say, that’s because that’s what the those men have made clear as being what their listeners want.
If you need to downding that, feel free to do so. But I’m not trying to piss folks here off, what I’m trying to say is that for Republicans to confirm a Obama appointee to the Supreme Court this year would be an utter disaster for the party. So they aren’t going to do it.What the rest of America decides to do about that is what they decide to do. Sometimes loyalty needs to be blind to its consequences.
That’s all for now. BBT
I can’t wait.
re: #522 Dark_Falcon
He does, but it doesn’t change what Republicans need to do, and that is to not compromise. And the heck of it is that this would otherwise be a good time to compromise, but the Republican party establishment is out of compromise credit with the party base. And that means an Obama nominee cannot be considered, since the most important thing right now is for the GOP voter base to to correctly believe that the party leadership will follow their wishes. Anything else risks the fracturing of the party and utter disaster.
What you call a disaster, (i.e., the GOP breaking up) is what most decent people look forward to as an essential step in getting US politics back on track.
The GOP is truly dying, leaving behind this human wreckage made up of the people who were once its enemies. WE MUST NOT COMPROMISE is exactly like saying, “We’re leaving, and taking our damn slaves with us!”
Thanks, Nixon and Reagan, Limbaugh and Alex Jones: you’ve taken some perfectly decent people and made them into monsters.
The best thing that could happen is for the GOP to die a quick death. It’s a very dangerous moment, though. Who knows what’s next?
I know this thread is already old and possibly stale. However I need to get this off my chest. These people really, really, frighten me. To think that articulate, educated young people have this level of cognitive dissonance is, very frankly, terrifying.
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