Anti-Choice Activist Daleiden: CA Atty General “Bought and Paid For” by Planned Parenthood

Video fraudster lashes out
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David Daleiden prays for the destruction of women’s reproductive rights

As we noted last night, far right video fraudster David Daleiden’s home in Orange County was raided yesterday by agents from the California Department of Justice, and his computers and hard drives were seized.

Daleiden’s deceptively edited videos, shot illegally at Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation meetings, have led to a huge outbreak of violence and threats against clinics and women’s health services across the country, and directly inspired several murders at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs last November.

More than a dozen states have now held investigations into Planned Parenthood’s tissue donation programs as a result of Daleiden’s campaign of deception, and in every case the organization has been completely exonerated of wrongdoing.

This may be one of the biggest, most far-reaching frauds ever perpetrated by the so-called “pro-life” movement — and it’s a long list.

But despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence Planned Parenthood has done anything wrong (while Daleiden unquestionably committed crimes in the creation of his “sting” videos, including falsification of California driver’s licenses), Daleiden continues ranting about a nonexistent “criminal trade in aborted baby parts” on his Facebook page, and accuses California Attorney General Kamala Harris of being “bought and paid for” by Planned Parenthood.

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Daleiden isn’t the only one ranting like this today; the entire right wing media machine, news sites and bloggers are all screaming their heads off about “baby parts” and First Amendment violations. It’s an absolutely classic example of the right’s highly organized group-think and disconnection from reality.

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118 comments
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Kragar  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:01:57am

Coming soon:

“I can’t show you all the most incriminating footage of baby parts because the Cops stole it! Send us money so we can keep fighting the good fight!”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:02:28am

“In the pocket of BIG VAGINA!”

/that never gets old.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:03:28am

Rage Furby probably has copies…

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:04:23am

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

“In the pocket of BIG VAGINA!”

Isn’t BIG VAGINA already a sort of a pocket?

This shit’s got layers, man.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:04:49am

Coming from the guy who is in the pay of a bunch of sexist freaks.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:05:00am
Before the CNN debate came together on Monday, the Sanders campaign had committed to participating in a debate on ABC News’ “Good Morning America,” with designs on the show’s large audience. But a few hours after Hillary Clinton’s campaign informed the network on Friday that she would participate, Sanders pulled out, said two sources, including one network source.

This really puts the Sanders campaign’s shitty lying response about having to cancel a NY rally in perspective. He wanted to make it look like he wanted a debate and she didn’t, as soon as Clinton started accepting and offering dates Bernie was all “New phone, who dis?”

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jaunte  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:05:27am
Daleiden continues ranting about a nonexistent “criminal trade in aborted baby parts”

It’s hard to reason someone out of a position they hallucinated into.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:06:47am

So who gets first crack at him? Ca. or Tx?

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:07:37am

re: #7 jaunte

It’s hard to reason someone out of a position they hallucinated into.

It’s one of those things like Minneapolis PD “no-go zones” that is so obviously and bizarrely absurd on its face that it makes me feel quaint to think back to when Republicans told lies about things that were hard to prove.

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SirMixALot  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:08:45am

So who bought and paid that guy to break the law? It that’s the only motivation for doing things?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:10:56am

re: #8 Bubblehead II

So who gets first crack at him? Ca. or Tx?

Not sure. TX is further along in their process but it’s a county lead affair, CA’s lawsuit has the backing of the State AG’s office. I’m guessing TX will go to trial first though, their criminal courts move pretty fast.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:12:36am

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Not sure. TX is further along in their process but it’s a county lead affair, CA’s lawsuit has the backing of the State AG’s office. I’m guessing TX will go to trial first though, their criminal courts move pretty fast.

Doesn’t matter what happens in TexAss because Abbot will pardon Daleidan

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Dr. Matt  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:17:08am

Sarah Palin: ‘I’m suing Azealia Banks’

OSarah bin Palin has been palling around too much with Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:17:46am

re: #9 Testy Toad T

It’s one of those things like Minneapolis PD “no-go zones” that is so obviously and bizarrely absurd on its face that it makes me feel quaint to think back to when Republicans told lies about things that were hard to prove.

Political liars from the past would be envious. It’s as though LBJ had accused Paraguay rather than North Vietnam of attacking our ships in the Tonkin Gulf. Nixon could have claimed that the Watergate burglars were working for Wal-Mart. I am not a fan of the “good ole days” at all, but general gullibility seems to have increased by orders of magnitude.

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Lidane  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:18:27am

re: #12 Joe Bacon

Doesn’t matter what happens in TexAss because Abbot will pardon Daleidan

It might take a while, though. Abbott may very well be on a book tour when the trials happen here, since he’s putting out his screed about a new constitutional convention sometime later this year.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:18:47am

re: #13 Dr. Matt

Sarah Palin: ‘I’m suing Azealia Banks’

OSarah bin Palin has been palling around too much with Trump.

Good Lord…..I just read what Azealia Banks wrote….wow, what an ass. Clearly over the top.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:19:56am

This is exactly the fucking problem.

Please, Sanders supporters, do try to convince me that this movement is going to elect a legislative coalition and show up for midterm elections when they can’t even be bothered to check a few additional fucking boxes while filling out their primary ballots.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:20:34am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

Political liars from the past would be envious. It’s as though LBJ had accused Paraguay rather than North Vietnam of attacking our ships in the Tonkin Gulf. Nixon could have claimed that the Watergate burglars were working for Wal-Mart. I am not a fan of the “good ole days” at all, but general gullibility seems to have increased by orders of magnitude.

This is remarkable, because it has coincided with a collapse in trust in the very institutions that are telling the lies.

People trusted LBJ and his government in a way people do not trust government today, and yet there is no way they would have swallowed such a whopper.

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Targetpractice  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:21:51am

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This is exactly the fucking problem.

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Please, Sanders supporters, do try to convince me that this movement is going to elect a legislative coalition and show up for midterm elections when they can’t even be bothered to check a few additional fucking boxes while filling out their primary ballots.

Now Frank, you know they can’t do that, they have to vote their conscience. Why, if they go voting for any Democrat on the ticket, they might find themselves electing somebody who’s not “pure.” And then the “revolution” will fail!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:22:42am

‘I’m embarrassed as an American’: Tampa mayor welcomes companies boycotting NC’s bathroom law

Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn is encouraging companies boycotting North Carolina over an anti-transgender law to move to his city.

After North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) signed the law preventing local municipalities from giving bathroom rights to transgender people, companies like PayPal and Lionsgate announced plans to move their business out of the state.

On Tuesday, Mayor Buckhorn issued an invitation for those companies to relocate to Tampa. “Tampa is, and always will be, proud of our diverse community,” Buckhorn wrote on Twitter. “We invite PayPal to open their global ops here.”

“I think it’s embarrassing,” the mayor told WTVT. “It’s a relic of the South in the 1950s. You know, the only difference is they’re discriminating against gay people as opposed to African-Americans.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:23:05am

The Lieutenant Governor of New Mexico has jumped into the issue with a Facebook post.

On Saturday night, Sanchez wrote on Facebook that the House probe uncovered something “troubling and alarming” at HSC. He also wrote the Southwestern Women’s Open [sic] Clinic partnered with HSC for the research.

Anti-choicers are targeting the Southwestern Women’s Options Clinic because it does late term abortions since Dr. Tiller was murdered. Some of his former colleagues work there.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:25:45am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Now Frank, you know they can’t do that, they have to vote their conscience. Why, if they go voting for any Democrat on the ticket, they might find themselves electing somebody who’s not “pure.” And then the “revolution” will fail!

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You know, I could actually process this without condemning the Sanders campaign itself if they done FUCKING ANYTHING to try and educate their own supporters about the importance of building a practical coalition, or if they’d fundraised at all for the downticket Dems he will desperately need if he wins.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:26:00am

re: #18 Testy Toad T

This is remarkable, because it has coincided with a collapse in trust in the very institutions that are telling the lies.

People trusted LBJ and his government in a way people do not trust government today, and yet there is no way they would have swallowed such a whopper.

More credulous elements of the population have jumped out of the pan into the fire: They have shifted their trust from government, which had some small degree of accountability, to free-lance hucksters and conspiracy theorists, who have no accountability at all. Opportunistic politicians like Gohmert! follow along wherever the votes are.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:27:24am

re: #13 Dr. Matt

This is like Godzilla vs. Mothra or something.

They both suck as human beings.

On Azealia Banks

Banks is partially known for her public disputes with other musicians and celebrities on Twitter, with Complex noting that “she gets more attention for her public feuds than she does for her music”. She has lashed out at, and had online disputes with numerous recording artists, including people she has worked with.[69]

In February 2015, Vice associate editor Mitchell Sunderland wrote a piece titled “My Bizarre Twitter Beef with Azealia Banks and Her Homophobia” about an exchange the two had. In response to the piece, Banks tweeted at Sunderland, “do you know that your mother pushed you out of a pussy?” The two argued over a period of days, with Banks stating, “and even if i am a homophobe… so wat? i still make more $ than you.. still have an extra hole.. and still own everything.”[70]

On September 22, 2015, Banks became involved in a confrontation with a fellow passenger and the flight crew while attempting to exit a Delta Air Lines flight that had just landed in Los Angeles. According to witnesses, Banks was attempting to squeeze by others passengers to disembark the plane more quickly, when a French man blocked her path. Banks reacted by spitting in the man’s face, punching him, and clawing at his shirt. Subsequently, a flight attendant stepped in and demanded that Banks calm down. This resulted in Banks forcefully arguing with the flight attendant, in which she at one point called the Delta employee a “fucking faggot”.[71]

On November 10, 2015, it was reported Banks was under investigation by the Los Angeles Police Department following an altercation involving the rapper and a security guard at L.A. club Break Room 86.[72] Later that year, Banks was arrested in New York after attacking a female security guard.[73]

She has attacked Kendrick Lamar, Lupe Fiasco, Kreayshawn, Dominique Young Unique, Lil’ Kim, Nicki Minaj, Jim Jones, Angel Haze, Baauer, Diplo, Rita Ora, Lily Allen, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Iggy Azalea, Action Bronson, ASAP Rocky, T.I., Pharrell, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, K. Michelle, Diana Ross, Kanye West, Erykah Badu, Eminem, Young Thug, The Stone Roses, Disclosure, and Macklemore.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:27:48am

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This is exactly the fucking problem.

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Please, Sanders supporters, do try to convince me that this movement is going to elect a legislative coalition and show up for midterm elections when they can’t even be bothered to check a few additional fucking boxes while filling out their primary ballots.

Kos has a diary up by this and the numbers still suggest that the republican would have won but it would have been closer.

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Jenner7  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:29:01am

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

Does he have a source for that?

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:31:22am

So if Daleiden is a “citizen journalist,” can somebody please make a “citizen’s arrest” of him for being a giant dickbag?

(Is a citizen journalist similar to a citizen doctor? Someone plying their trade with no known skills or training? ICYMI, I hate the term “citizen journalist.”)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:32:50am

re: #24 Ziggy_TARDIS

No matter who wins we all lose.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:33:16am

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:33:35am

It appears to come from an exit poll Benchmark Politics ran with Decision Desk.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:35:18am

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

You know, I could actually process this without condemning the Sanders campaign itself if they done FUCKING ANYTHING to try and educate their own supporters about the importance of building a practical coalition, or if they’d fundraised at all for the downticket Dems he will desperately need if he wins.

You know, for all the talk from the Right about the Left seeing Obama as some sort of Messiah back in 2008, i’m pretty sure he worked for the downticket races, too. This whole “Bernie will lead a political revolution!” thing is starting to sound messianic.

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Jenner7  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:36:19am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Thanks!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:37:19am

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:38:38am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:38:55am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:39:27am

re: #27 BeachDem

So if Daleiden is a “citizen journalist,” can somebody please make a “citizen’s arrest” of him for being a giant dickbag?

(Is a citizen journalist similar to a citizen doctor? Someone plying their trade with no known skills or training? ICYMI, I hate the term “citizen journalist.”)

I hate that term too, since it implies that other journalists are working for the government or under government license. A number of right wing demagogues, notably Rush Limbaugh, encourage this delusion by casually referring to non-RWNJ sources as “the state media” or “the controlled media.” If called out on it, they will dismiss it as “metaphorical” but they know full well that some of their credulous followers will assume it is the literal; indeed, unchallenged; truth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:39:51am

re: #25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Kos has a diary up by this and the numbers still suggest that the republican would have won but it would have been closer.

Right. Kos’ point was not that it would have flipped it, but that you can’t build a political movement on a single office.

In arguing with the more rational of my brothers, he said I was assuming that Bernie’s election wasn’t going to flip the House, too.

I pointed out that not flipping the House is the most likely outcome, no matter who wins the nomination. He didn’t respond to that.

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KGxvi  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:40:36am

re: #16 Dr. Matt

Good Lord…..I just read what Azealia Banks wrote….wow, what an ass. Clearly over the top.

Of course, even though Banks was an ass and over the top, her speech is still protected. There was no direct threat and Palin is a public figure. Nor does this really rise to the level of defamation because there’s nothing particularly defamatory about what Banks said. And my guess is that Palin will flip her shit when a whole string of lawyers tells her she has no case… though maybe she can get the guy that Chuckles hired in Missouri.

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KGxvi  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:45:18am

Well, shit… Merle Haggard passed away. I was lucky enough to see him last year at Ink n Iron. Good show, even though I’m not much of a fan of country music.

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Kragar  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:45:44am
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Kragar  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:48:28am

re: #40 Kragar

Hmm, the video for the tweet linked, but the tweet it was attached to did not show up.

Charles, what happened there?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:50:05am

re: #41 Kragar

Hmm, the video for the tweet linked, but the tweet it was attached to did not show up.

Charles, what happened there?

Click the little twitter icon at the bottom right of the video.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:50:28am

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This is exactly the fucking problem.

[Embedded content]

Please, Sanders supporters, do try to convince me that this movement is going to elect a legislative coalition and show up for midterm elections when they can’t even be bothered to check a few additional fucking boxes while filling out their primary ballots.

What’s the typical percentage? Without a baseline, I can’t tell if this is a media-created issue, of if Sanders voters are unusually incompetent.

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Franklin  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:51:27am

re: #41 Kragar

Hmm, the video for the tweet linked, but the tweet it was attached to did not show up.

Charles, what happened there?

That’s a thing now. I hope Charles has a workaround to get the whole tweet to embed, but it may just be the way Twitter wants it’s media to be displayed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:51:51am

re: #43 No Country For Old Haters

What’s the typical percentage? Without a baseline, I can’t tell if this is a media-created issue, of if Sanders voters are unusually incompetent.

According to the exit poll, only 4% of Clinton voters failed to vote in that race.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:58:46am
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 6, 2016 • 11:58:57am

My Sanderista friend is becoming more unhinged by the hour:

Hillary Clinton: “I’m looking to unify the Democratic Party when the process is over” This is laughable…the only way is to accomplish that will be to perform a mass convulsive electroshock therapy to the entire nation. That’s the only way they will forget all the horrible things you’ve done in the past. The only thing that will unite the Democratic Party is for you and your husband to disappear from politics and join the ranks of Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover. (emphasis added)

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:00:15pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

Because shit was so, so bad in the late 1990s.

Fuckin’ people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:00:49pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

My Sanderista friend is becoming more unhinged by the hour:

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:01:03pm

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

15% of Sanders supporters “did not know who they voted for” or voted for Bradley. 4% of Clinton voters did that. About to make a call.

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

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Whack-A-Mole  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:01:22pm

If that’s a revolution, to vote for your one single, magic unicorn candidate, but leave all the other races for the other side to win, I’ll stick with the old way of doing things, thank you very much.

Honestly, it really just goes to show how naive and foolish many of the BernieBots are: to go to all the trouble of going to the polling place and voting, but to pass on casting a considered vote on candidates in the rest of the races to make sure that those who reflect your views most closely win.

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KGxvi  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:02:25pm

re: #50 No Country For Old Haters

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

Hell, I’m an informed voter and 85% of the time I can’t tell you who I voted for in a local election.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:03:38pm

re: #50 No Country For Old Haters

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

This was line two.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:03:39pm

re: #50 No Country For Old Haters

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

The point was, this particular race was a fairly big deal, with the winner being someone Progressives really wanted to get rid of.

Unless, of course, you expect Bernie and his magic unicorn to fix it all for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:03:39pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:05:38pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

This was line two.

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On a ballot with a lot more than 2 lines.

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Shimshon  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:06:00pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

“In the pocket of BIG VAGINA!”

/that never gets old.

I’d like to become a lobbyist for Big Vagina. Where do I send my resume?

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:07:21pm

re: #56 No Country For Old Haters

On a ballot with a lot more than 2 lines.

I’m sorry, if you can’t make it to line two, you can take your revolution and get stoned with it over on FDL.

It’s ridiculous. There’s no excuse.

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stpaulbear  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:07:32pm

re: #56 No Country For Old Haters

On a ballot with a lot more than 2 lines.

It is asking an awful lot for voters to know the candidates for statewide offices.
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Franklin  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:10:04pm

re: #59 stpaulbear

It is asking an awful lot for voters to know the candidates for statewide offices.
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I didn’t notice the sarc tags at first!

But this is a sentiment I have heard in all seriousness. Which is funny, as the statewide/district/municipal elected officials more directly impact the electorates lives. And the statewide folks are the ones making it harder to vote or are made irrelevant through gerrymandering.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:10:17pm

re: #58 Testy Toad T

I’m sorry, if you can’t make it to line two, you can take your revolution and get stoned with it over on FDL.

It’s ridiculous. There’s no excuse.

No one said anything about not making it to line 2. The statement was that they did not know who they voted for after they’d finished the ballot, dropped it into the bin, and talked to some pollster. It can also be that Bernie supporters are more likely to blow off pollsters.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:11:36pm

re: #43 No Country For Old Haters

What’s the typical percentage? Without a baseline, I can’t tell if this is a media-created issue, of if Sanders voters are unusually incompetent.

According to that exit poll 3.75 times more Sanders voters refused to vote in down ticket races than Clinton voters. So both sides have room for improvement, however Clinton remains the only candidate putting in actual work fundraising for those races.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:11:42pm

re: #52 KGxvi

Hell, I’m an informed voter and 85% of the time I can’t tell you who I voted for in a local election.

I must be a total nerdball—I not only research every candidate on the ballot beforehand, I even prepare a sheet for my neighbor with suggestions on who to vote for and why. (But apparently, I’m not a progressive or a truly involved person because I’m not a Bernie supporter.)

One other thought I had (yeah, just one), all of these enthusiastic Berners who became delegates in various states—do they understand that should they proceed and be named as delegates to the national convention, they actually have to GO to Philadelphia for multiple days in order to participate?

I am particularly thinking of the “unelected delegates” who showed up for round two of the Nevada Caucus and got seated—where I’ve read that the credential people didn’t even check to see if they’d been at the first round.

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stpaulbear  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:14:26pm

re: #61 No Country For Old Haters

It can also be that Bernie supporters are more likely to blow off pollsters

Which could mean that Bernie voter’s not knowing about the down-ticket races was likely under-reported. Good argument.

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stpaulbear  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:17:50pm

re: #63 BeachDem

I try to prepare a cheat sheet for voting (even down to the ‘Board of Water Commissioners”. One of those elections had some really troubling stuff going on with one candidate), but I don’t bother to memorize those names or remember them once I’m done voting with my cheat sheet.

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KGxvi  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:19:33pm

re: #63 BeachDem

I must be a total nerdball—I not only research every candidate on the ballot beforehand, I even prepare a sheet for my neighbor with suggestions on who to vote for and why. (But apparently, I’m not a progressive or a truly involved person because I’m not a Bernie supporter.)

I try to be as informed as possible, but I don’t know enough about what what the community college trustee board does let alone who is running for it to make an informed choice. So, I will admit, sometimes, I undervote in those elections. Another example is that Long Beach, for some strange reason, is having a city council primary election next week and I’ve no idea who is running or what the pertinent issues are. As a result, I probably won’t vote.

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Kragar  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:20:35pm

re: #65 stpaulbear

I’ve taken a cheat sheet with me for about the last 5 years

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Charles Johnson  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:21:44pm

re: #50 No Country For Old Haters

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

Exit Poll: 15% of WI Bernie voters didn’t vote for Kloppenburg

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:22:35pm

re: #64 stpaulbear

Which could mean that Bernie voter’s not knowing about the down-ticket races was likely under-reported. Good argument.

Maybe, but that’s not a good argument, and I’ll ask you not to try to put your words in my mouth.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:23:31pm

re: #63 BeachDem

I must be a total nerdball—I not only research every candidate on the ballot beforehand, I even prepare a sheet for my neighbor with suggestions on who to vote for and why. (But apparently, I’m not a progressive or a truly involved person because I’m not a Bernie supporter.)

One other thought I had (yeah, just one), all of these enthusiastic Berners who became delegates in various states—do they understand that should they proceed and be named as delegates to the national convention, they actually have to GO to Philadelphia for multiple days in order to participate?

I am particularly thinking of the “unelected delegates” who showed up for round two of the Nevada Caucus and got seated—where I’ve read that the credential people didn’t even check to see if they’d been at the first round.

You take your civic responsibility seriously. All evidence indicates that most people do not. This is why democracy does not work.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:25:18pm

re: #50 No Country For Old Haters

Of course this doesn’t actually say that the Sanders supporters did not vote downticket

All it says is they didn’t know who they voted for, which an uninformed voter that voted for Democrats who’s names they don’t know would say. I wouldn’t expect people to remember every line on the ballot unless there were only a couple of lines.

Correct, but I think it’s emblematic that they don’t care about elections other than one Sanders is a candidate in. True, I wouldn’t be able to remember everyone I voted for in a particular election, but I would remember the big ones. This sounds like it was a pretty big deal.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:26:34pm

re: #66 KGxvi

I try to be as informed as possible, but I don’t know enough about what what the community college trustee board does let alone who is running for it to make an informed choice. So, I will admit, sometimes, I undervote in those elections. Another example is that Long Beach, for some strange reason, is having a city council primary election next week and I’ve no idea who is running or what the pertinent issues are. As a result, I probably won’t vote.

Down here in south by dog carolina, I start with the Dems and first try to eliminate the ones who are in jail or under indictment and/or complete nutballs (we had one who once ran his dog for mayor, then he, the guy, ran for county council president—a total whackjob—fortunately, he’s now a Trump supporter, so I don’t think he can run as a Dem again); then scratch the ones who run in every election—sometimes in more than one race per election and often for a different party each time; then, in the races where there are no Dems running at all, try to figure out if there’s a Republican who’s not batshit insane and go from there.

It ain’t easy, and it’s usually futile, but you do what you gotta do.

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TedStriker  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:28:35pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Now Frank, you know they can’t do that, they have to vote their conscience. Why, if they go voting for any Democrat on the ticket, they might find themselves electing somebody who’s not “pure.” And then the “revolution” will fail!

/////

You sarc’ed that, but you know it’s the gospel truth to more than a few BernieBros.

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TedStriker  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:31:48pm

re: #28 Ziggy_TARDIS

No matter who wins we all lose.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:32:21pm

re: #74 TedStriker

You sarc’ed that, but you know it’s the gospel truth to more than a few BernieBros.

Just look at Elizabeth Warren’s facebook when she didn’t endorse Bernie before the Mass. primary. And read some of the shit they say about Sherrod Brown for endorsing Hillary.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:33:56pm

re: #71 Mike Lamb

Correct, but I think it’s emblematic that they don’t care about elections other than one Sanders is a candidate in. True, I wouldn’t be able to remember everyone I voted for in a particular election, but I would remember the big ones. This sounds like it was a pretty big deal.

Many probably don’t care, and they may also be more likely to be voting while baked, so they don’t really remember what they did.

Bernie brought in people who are not generally into politics because they’ve given up hope in a corrupt establishment. The Bernie supporter on my team thinks that bringing in all these extra voters will have a benefit down-ticket, which does seem likely, even if only some of them vote for the other races, but i’m really at all sure what the impact will be. It really depends on what percentage of Sanders voters do not normally participate in elections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:35:22pm

re: #76 BeachDem

Just look at Elizabeth Warren’s facebook when she didn’t endorse Bernie before the Mass. primary. And read some of the shit they say about Sherrod Brown for endorsing Hillary.

and how they went after (and still are) John Lewis.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:35:53pm

re: #75 TedStriker

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As an aside, I always thought that tagline for that film was stupid as shit. Sure, the Predators might hunt the occasion human or sacrifice them to create Xenomorphs to hunt, but they wouldn’t indiscriminately wipe out humanity.

Heck, during the course of the film, one of the humans and one of the Predators team up to kill the Xenomorphs.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:38:12pm

It occurs to me that if the seized computers show that Daleiden leaked videos to CCJ in violation of court orders (as he mist certainly did), they both are in deep doo-doo.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:39:56pm

re: #80 Ace-o-aces

It occurs to me that if the seized computers show that Daleiden leaked videos to CCJ in violation of court orders (as he mist certainly did), they both are in deep doo-doo.

Bingo! Hence,

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Great White Snark  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:40:44pm

Scary Headline!!!
Americans spend more on taxes than food, clothing, housing combined According to Paul Bedard Washington Examiner.

Hmm. His number is “almost 5 Trillion”.


Total retail and food services sales in the United States from 1992 to 2014 (in trillion U.S. dollars) $5.72

In 2007, just one quarter of the year the mortgage market was 6 trillion.

Not off by much LOL

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:43:27pm

re: #77 No Country For Old Haters

Bernie brought in people who are not generally into politics because they’ve given up hope in a corrupt establishment. The Bernie supporter on my team thinks that bringing in all these extra voters will have a benefit down-ticket, which does seem likely, even if only some of them vote for the other races, but i’m really at all sure what the impact will be. It really depends on what percentage of Sanders voters do not normally participate in elections.

Let us be aware that a self-proclaimed socialist (!!!!!!!!!!) on the ticket is going to bring in some extra voters on the other side. It is absolutely critical that, if our party goes down this road, that everyone at all levels maximizes the voting power of the voters we’re allegedly bringing to the table.

Because damned if the folks brought to the other side of the table by red-baiting will do anything but vote straight-ticket R.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:45:05pm

re: #79 Timothy Watson

As an aside, I always thought that tagline for that film was stupid as shit. Sure, the Predators might hunt the occasion human or sacrifice them to create Xenomorphs to hunt, but they wouldn’t indiscriminately wipe out humanity.

Tagline was the least of this film’s problems. The plot was so convoluted and non-sensical that it reads like a 6 year-old wrote it after a getting into dad’s liquor cabinet. I mean, why all the bullshit with some pyramid in Antartica and moving walls and all that. Predators…Aliens. Just get them in a fucking room together an go from there. How do you fuck that up?!

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:45:15pm

re: #82 Great White Snark

Scary Headline!!!

I’ll bite. Why?

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:45:22pm

re: #77 No Country For Old Haters

Bernie brought in people who are not generally into politics because they’ve given up hope in a corrupt establishment.

Have you ever known someone who got interesting in politics, and then dropped out because of the corruption? I haven’t. What I see is people using that as an uneducated excuse to not get involved. And Sanders supporters, who are supporting a guy - who’s been in Congress for 26 years - as an outsider, fit into that definition perfectly.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:48:30pm

re: #77 No Country For Old Haters

Many probably don’t care, and they may also be more likely to be voting while baked, so they don’t really remember what they did.

Bernie brought in people who are not generally into politics because they’ve given up hope in a corrupt establishment. The Bernie supporter on my team thinks that bringing in all these extra voters will have a benefit down-ticket, which does seem likely, even if only some of them vote for the other races, but i’m really at all sure what the impact will be. It really depends on what percentage of Sanders voters do not normally participate in elections.

I’m not sure turnouts support this position, but even if it’s true, it’s not exactly a glowing endorsement.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:52:09pm

re: #86 Belafon

Have you ever known someone who got interesting in politics, and then dropped out because of the corruption? I haven’t. What I see is people using that as an uneducated excuse to not get involved. And Sanders supporters, who are supporting a guy - who’s been in Congress for 26 years - as an outsider, fit into that definition perfectly.

I’ve seen plenty of people look at our government and not get involved because of the overwhelming corruption. We have a military that works for business interests instead of our security, police forces engaging in a war on minorities and people who use politically incorrect drugs, and media that exist to manipulate more than inform. Add to that the fact that half the country wants us to stay corrupt and bigoted - and insists on media that misleads, and you should be able to see why many people have given up on politics. America looks pretty hopeless to a lot of people.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:54:34pm

re: #88 No Country For Old Haters

Three parts truth addled by seven parts concern.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:56:18pm

re: #89 Testy Toad T

Three parts truth addled by seven parts concern.

What? have you cracked?

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:57:28pm

re: #88 No Country For Old Haters

They “look” at government the way my wife “looks” at my computer books.

And that’s why I say they’re not looking. It’s the very fact that they’re not participating that indicates that they have no clue what’s going on.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:57:35pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

I occasionally amaze myself with bouts of naivete, even at my advanced age - John Lewis, I thought, has earned the right to never be subjected to such scurrilous nonsense.
I was wrong.

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stpaulbear  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:59:26pm

re: #88 No Country For Old Haters

I’ve seen plenty of people look at our government and not get involved because of the overwhelming corruption. We have a military that works for business interests instead of our security, police forces engaging in a war on minorities and people who use politically incorrect drugs, and media that exist to manipulate more than inform. Add to that the fact that half the country wants us to stay corrupt and bigoted - and insists on media that misleads, and you should be able to see why many people have given up on politics. America looks pretty hopeless to a lot of people.

If that is supposed to make me want to support Bernie, you’ve failed completely. You’ve given me nothing.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 12:59:31pm

re: #91 Belafon

They “look” at government the way my wife “looks” at my computer books.

And that’s why I say they’re not looking. It’s the very fact that they’re not participating that indicates that they have no clue what’s going on.

If you seriously pay attention to government, it really is broken. I agree that thinking the problem is insurmountable is not helpful, but I absolutely understand why people see it as unfixable, or fall for simplistic solutions from Sanders and Trump.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:00:36pm

re: #93 stpaulbear

If that is supposed to make me want to support Bernie, you’ve failed completely. You’ve given me nothing.

Any failure is on your end, in imagining that I’m trying to get you to support Bernie. I support Clinton.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:03:28pm

re: #93 stpaulbear

If that is supposed to make me want to support Bernie, you’ve failed completely. You’ve given me nothing.

You don’t feel all OOH PRETTY SHINY and fall head over heels in love and starbursts and #feelthebern?

With the unfortunate recent exception of Republican members of congress who actually don’t even try to do their jobs, this country is a better, more functional place than it was eight years ago, which was better than twenty years before that, which was better than fifty years before that.

Excuse me for not throwing myself a pity party and wanting to burn the whole thing down. America is 1) a pretty good place 2) with some real problems 3) that adults are mostly working to improve 4) at a pace slower than I’d prefer but faster than the minimum I could accept.

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Belafon  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:04:14pm

re: #94 No Country For Old Haters

If you seriously pay attention to government, it really is broken. I agree that thinking the problem is insurmountable is not helpful, but I absolutely understand why people see it as unfixable, or fall for simplistic solutions from Sanders and Trump.

And sadly, the reason is broken is that a good chunk of the electorate fails to turn out in off-year elections.

But, if you work your way around the problem caused by Republicans, there’s no more corruption than at any other time in our history. Yes, lobbyists and the wealthy have a lot of influence. But they always have. And the government isn’t actively supporting Jim Crow. We’ve got at least one party against it, unlike segregation which saw Democrats supporting it and Republicans not really giving a damn.

I don’t give people who don’t participate a lot of leeway.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:05:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:06:53pm

The short version: his record is terrible.

Since the beginning of his campaign, Sanders has been confronted about his vote for a controversial 2005 law giving broad federal immunity to gun manufacturers. Clinton repeatedly has attacked him on this vote, noting she voted against it. Sanders now says he would support repealing the law. Sanders has described the law as protecting gun manufacturers from being held responsible if a murderer uses their gun to kill someone — just as a hammer company should not be responsible if somebody used a hammer as a weapon. But the law does more than that; it provides a unique federal legal shield that most consumer goods manufacturers do not have — protecting them from most claims of negligence, and even certain claims relating to the gun’s design. His characterization earned Two Pinocchios.

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makeitstop  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:08:51pm

This video of a Florida woman reading Rick Scott the riot act is a thing of beauty.

“You cut Medicaid, so I couldn’t get Obamacare,” shouted the woman in an exchange. “You’re an asshole. You don’t care about working people. … You should be ashamed to show your face around here.”

And I love how an aide to Scott tries to hush her, and she doesn’t budge an inch, telling the other woman ‘I’m not talking to you.’

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teleskiguy  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:10:30pm

:(

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Great White Snark  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:14:50pm

re: #85 Testy Toad T

I’ll bite. Why?

Why is it scary? See the bold, fear monger anti tax style agitprop. Why he chose to exaggerate? Pfft. Love to see his math if any.

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stpaulbear  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:15:14pm

re: #95 No Country For Old Haters

Really. OK.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:16:05pm

re: #102 Great White Snark

Oops. I missed the “one quarter” part.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:16:43pm

re: #27 BeachDem

So if Daleiden is a “citizen journalist,” can somebody please make a “citizen’s arrest” of him for being a giant dickbag?

(Is a citizen journalist similar to a citizen doctor? Someone plying their trade with no known skills or training? ICYMI, I hate the term “citizen journalist.”)

Especially as most people who claim the term ‘citizen’ hate actually being citizens. They really hate the duties of being a citizen, like obeying the law, most of all.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:17:58pm

re: #91 Belafon

They “look” at government the way my wife “looks” at my computer books.

And that’s why I say they’re not looking. It’s the very fact that they’re not participating that indicates that they have no clue what’s going on.

And here’s what gets me. If you listen to the Berners, they’re big on “us, not him” rhetoric about how Bernie is just the standard bearer, and it will be the “revolutionaries” who will be the change agents—that their millions of voices will be heard and will make a difference and force change. Uh huh.

I don’t live in Wisconsin, but I knew that Supreme Court race was, as Ole Handsome Joe would say, a big fucking deal. A creepy Walker appointee who believes (or did at one time) that abortion is murder, that gays deserve AIDS and that anyone who voted for Bill Clinton was either totally stupid or entirely evil. That woman on the court for the next ten years will have a whole lot more direct affect on their lives than things that are going on in Washington.

It would be interesting to know how many of the Bernie voters who were old enough to vote at the time, were involved in the Walker recall.

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BeachDem  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:18:57pm

re: #100 makeitstop

This video of a Florida woman reading Rick Scott the riot act is a thing of beauty.

And I love how an aide to Scott tries to hush her, and she doesn’t budge an inch, telling the other woman ‘I’m not talking to you.’

I also loved the guy saying, “Sweet” at the end.

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Great White Snark  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:22:55pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Design flaws of course have long been held as real liabilities for the maker of just about anything. FTR Just as I think it’s unfair to assess liability for criminal acts by the end user, product safety liability is a cornerstone of our market. That should not be diminished.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:25:52pm

re: #97 Belafon

And sadly, the reason is broken is that a good chunk of the electorate fails to turn out in off-year elections.

But, if you work your way around the problem caused by Republicans, there’s no more corruption than at any other time in our history. Yes, lobbyists and the wealthy have a lot of influence. But they always have. And the government isn’t actively supporting Jim Crow. We’ve got at least one party against it, unlike segregation which saw Democrats supporting it and Republicans not really giving a damn.

I don’t give people who don’t participate a lot of leeway.

People not voting in off years is a huge problem, and I don’t know how to fix it. If seeing how openly insane the Republicans are doesn’t clue them in, what will?

How do we work around the monstrous problems caused by Republicans? They’re not going away, and will become more violent if we manage to make America a country where all peaceful people are respected, and no one has to go hungry. One of the reasons I think Clinton is the better choice is because Conservative opposition is her is based on more recent fantasies than the deep-seated cold-war propaganda that makes them oppose Sanders. A third candidate that doesn’t set off Conservative triggers at all would be preferable, but Conservatives are so easily triggered outside their bubble that I don’t think that’s even possible these days.

I wish we didn’t have to cater to crazy people at all, but I don’t think we can just disregard the Republicans. I’ve got a bad feeling that law enforcement is going to have to put down a lot of right-wing extremists if we move too quickly, and in my worst-case scenarios, law-enforcement is on the side of the extremists in most of the red states, which is terrifying.

1)Vote for Progressives
2)???
3)America becomes a great country.

??? could be a bloody civil war when the Republicans go berserk.

I usually project six to ten possible futures, none of which will actually come fully true of course, and most of them are dark these days because of the damage done by conservative media. Just about everywhere but here, I see constant reactionary derp, racism, and hostility toward the idea of treating women with respect, and it’s really freaking me out. Gamergate and Snowden were eye-openers as to the state of the tech community.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:27:13pm

re: #107 BeachDem

I also loved the guy saying, “Sweet” at the end.

G-Ville Florida!

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:28:33pm

re: #100 makeitstop

This video of a Florida woman reading Rick Scott the riot act is a thing of beauty.

And I love how an aide to Scott tries to hush her, and she doesn’t budge an inch, telling the other woman ‘I’m not talking to you.’

The propagandized Conservatives have been angry for a long time, and that anger let destructive Republicans do as much damage as they have. Now the rest of us are getting angry at the destructive Conservatives. That can tip the scale the other way, or lead to civil war.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:30:54pm

re: #41 Kragar

Hmm, the video for the tweet linked, but the tweet it was attached to did not show up.

Charles, what happened there?

If you click the Twitter logo at bottom right, it shows the tweet.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:31:22pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

Bernie’s gun positions are another reason I prefer Clinton. The massacres just keep happening, and I don’t expect Bernie to even try to minimize the violence. I think Clinton will, but maybe that’s Republican propaganda talking, since they all think she will.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:40:37pm

re: #106 BeachDem

And here’s what gets me. If you listen to the Berners, they’re big on “us, not him” rhetoric about how Bernie is just the standard bearer, and it will be the “revolutionaries” who will be the change agents—that their millions of voices will be heard and will make a difference and force change. Uh huh.

Where were their millions of votes in off year elections and local/state elections? I mean really, if they would have come out and voted in off years Congress would probably look a lot different than it does today and the Tea Party wouldn’t have made the gains they did.

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ObserverArt  Apr 6, 2016 • 1:40:46pm

re: #94 No Country For Old Haters

If you seriously pay attention to government, it really is broken. I agree that thinking the problem is insurmountable is not helpful, but I absolutely understand why people see it as unfixable, or fall for simplistic solutions from Sanders and Trump.

I don’t think it is really any different than it has always been. I’m sure that people felt that things were broken in the past.

What is different is all the crazy conjecture flowing 24/7/365 through the internet about what is broke and who broke it.

There was not cable news networks drumming to their own tune. There was not Drudge, Beck, Limbaugh, Jones and all that stirring stuff up making huge mountains out of little ant hills. There wasn’t twitter for certain groups to bullshit other groups. There wasn’t Facebook. There wasn’t web sites that cater to every cockamamie idea to convince someone of what they feared.

People, prior to maybe the middle 80s, had their info given through narrow channels. Everyone more or less fed from the same knowledge base and that kept the society tighter and under more control.

Besides…modern America is still democratically represented. We have crazy people voted into office by crazy people that buy in to the nutty stuff and another large segment that has no idea what’s up because they are too busy or too lazy to try to figure what’s what. And then in the middle you have the sane with their heads on straight that can’t fight off all the other crap.

And that is most assuredly what this country is like. Crazy, busy, lazy, under-informed, ill-informed mixed in with normality. It’s a toxic brew because we are all over the place.

All we need is some stupid war or something like national rioting to get people to pay attention. Sadly. But then, who knows, that might just blow this country up due to the current state of things.

We really are in an info overload combined with a new wild wild west. It’s a mess. we are a mess. That is very representative and very democratic. Look around. Everything you see and hear is reflected in our government.

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MsJ  Apr 6, 2016 • 2:57:28pm

re: #100 makeitstop

This video of a Florida woman reading Rick Scott the riot act is a thing of beauty.

And I love how an aide to Scott tries to hush her, and she doesn’t budge an inch, telling the other woman ‘I’m not talking to you.’

I love the end. The guy who took the video says “Sweet!” Heh.

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MsJ  Apr 6, 2016 • 3:02:49pm

Dead thread. Gah! That’s what I get for reading two threads at the same time.

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dharmamark  Apr 6, 2016 • 3:14:24pm

re: #100 makeitstop

That was beautiful.


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