An Excellent Sci-Fi Short: A Phone Call to the Past: “The Give and Take”

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“The Give and Take” by Anna Hopkins

When eleven year old Amy finds an old eighties video game magazine she dials the phone number displayed on the back, and in a strange cosmic glitch gets connected to Caesar Spinone, a video game call center employee in the year 1989.

It’s a sunny Saturday afternoon, yet eleven-year-old AMY DROUIN has found herself faced with the excruciating task of alphabetizing hundreds of old CD’s in a dark basement. This is her punishment for hiding a failed math exam from her mom, and one she begrudgingly accepts.

Upon discovering an old eighties Nintendo console among the mountains of cd’s, she abandons her duties and dives into a game, only to find herself stuck on an unbeatable level. It’s then that she comes across an old video game magazine and notices an advertisement for the a video game helpline set up to assist gamers get over their humps. She dials the number, and in a strange cosmic glitch is connected to CAESAR SPINONE, a twenty-six-year old game counsellor, in the year 1989. Caesar is a part time gamer, and full time rock n’ roll musician. We meet him on the eve of a major gig, one his boss won’t let him ditch his shift for.

It’s when Amy and Caesar connect, albeit unaware through parallel universes, that they find common ground. Their successful communication results from a few miscommunications, but nonetheless leads them to help each other out with their respective, and often times similar plights.

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360 comments
1
Dr. Matt  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:05:08pm
2
goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:06:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:08:21pm

but, of course…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:10:29pm
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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:10:40pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course…

How many Scaramuccis would give him to last this time?

///

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:16:52pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

[Fresno Bee]

From there:

America has been spectacularly let down.

I know that was last October, but ‘spectacularly let down’ seems so inadequate, even for way back then.

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Alephnaught  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:20:15pm

From dead thread.

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s another kelpie!

Believe it or not, The Kelpies structure is one place I have yet to visit in my native country!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:21:07pm

re: #7 Alephnaught

From dead thread.

Believe it or not, The Kelpies structure is one place I have yet to visit in my native country!

never seen them lit up like that at night

awesome

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:21:11pm
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Alephnaught  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:22:31pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course…

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The good thing about this is that being in Celebrity Big Brother is generally regarded as a sign that your best days are behind you.

EDIT: There are notable exceptions to this, for example, Michelle Visage in the UK version, but generally it’s people on the way down.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:23:21pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course…

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Yet another reason to shut the TV off!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:26:17pm

re: #9 MsJ

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For what it’s worth, it keeps one of Herr Trump’s biggest sycophants off the political discussion panels on the major news networks for a few weeks at least.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:26:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:26:35pm

Alexa, set a timer for 6 scaramuccis.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:28:50pm

re: #9 MsJ

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lol, Omarosa was on the last one.

I’ll watch every minute, and even fork over cash for the streaming, if the put Rex Tillerson in the Big Brother House.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:29:43pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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And now, with Pelosi and Democrats controlling the House, all of that information that Republicans blocked or otherwise buried can now see the light of day, and hopefully Nunes can be brought up on charges for his role in all of this.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:29:47pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #11 Joe Bacon 🌹

Psst. PBS has Victoria Season 3 premiere this evening. Pass it on.

pbs.org Check your local listings.

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Alephnaught  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:30:06pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Alexa, set a timer for 6 scaramuccis.

Who knows? He might last longer in the Celebrity Big Brother house than he did in the Whitehouse. Admittedly, that’s not a high bar, but…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:31:12pm

How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs (Goes to the Washington Post, more at the link).

The article traces the use of the slur, research showing Republicans using the slur as far back as 1964 (as in the same year as the Civil Rights Act).

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur, author of “The Loneliness of the Black Republican,” noted that black Republicans criticized the plantation politics of the Democratic Party as early as 1964, inspiring white conservatives to occasionally deploy the phrase to critique liberals. They spread the plantation trope throughout print media in the 1970s and 1980s, eventually helping it gain mainstream attention in the 1990s.

Author and political pundit Armstrong Williams was arguably the most powerful purveyor of the phrase, promoting the notion that the Democratic Party had betrayed black voters for three decades. But the plantation trope was appropriated by others, including a local white columnist and radio host in Denver named Mike Rosen; the Log Cabin Republicans, a conservative LGBT organization; and Louis Farrakhan, who notoriously leveled “fierce jabs” against Bill Clinton in 1996. He claimed the Democratic Party’s leaders failed black Americans and that anyone inclined to support Clinton were “slaves sold out to the Democratic plantation.” Unlike black conservatives, Farrakhan’s solution was a third-party candidate who could deliver on campaign promises through their exclusive commitment to black voters’ collective interests.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:32:08pm

re: #18 Alephnaught

Who knows? He might last longer in the Celebrity Big Brother house than he did in the Whitehouse. Admittedly, that’s not a high bar, but…

Can’t tell. It depends on the Relative Perfidy Levels (RPL).

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:33:51pm

re: #18 Alephnaught

Who knows? He might last longer in the Celebrity Big Brother house than he did in the Whitehouse. Admittedly, that’s not a high bar, but…

Unless he gets kicked out by the production team for egregious behavior (for example, assaulting another contestant), he’s guaranteed to last longer than his White House stint because they get at least two weeks before guests start getting voted out.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:35:31pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs (Goes to the Washington Post, more at the link).

The article traces the use of the slur, research showing Republicans using the slur as far back as 1964 (as in the same year as the Civil Rights Act).

In 2019 Alabama, black voters are definitely on the Democratic Plantation. This time they’re on the other end of the whip.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:35:45pm

re: #18 Alephnaught

Who knows? He might last longer in the Celebrity Big Brother house than he did in the Whitehouse. Admittedly, that’s not a high bar, but…

I hope him and Kato Kaelin get into a fist fight.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:36:56pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs (Goes to the Washington Post, more at the link).

The article traces the use of the slur, research showing Republicans using the slur as far back as 1964 (as in the same year as the Civil Rights Act).

Note that Armstrong Williams is not only one of Sinclair Broadcasting’s core RWNJ pundits, he also operates Howard Stirik Broadcasting, a chain of stations that Sinclair manages and programs the vast majority of (the rest carry 24/7 satellite feeds).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:40:38pm

re: #24 Myron Falwell

Note that Armstrong Williams is not only one of Sinclair Broadcasting’s core RWNJ pundits, he also operates Howard Stirik Broadcasting, a chain of stations that Sinclair manages and programs the vast majority of (the rest carry 24/7 satellite feeds).

I did not know that.

I’m all in for an anti-trust suit against Sinclair.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:40:46pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:41:35pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

In 2019 Alabama, black voters are definitely on the Democratic Plantation. This time they’re on the other end of the whip.

QBIMMS*

*quoted because it made me smile

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:45:40pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs (Goes to the Washington Post, more at the link).

The article traces the use of the slur, research showing Republicans using the slur as far back as 1964 (as in the same year as the Civil Rights Act).

re: #22 Decatur Deb

In 2019 Alabama, black voters are definitely on the Democratic Plantation. This time they’re on the other end of the whip.

re: #27 wrenchwench

QBIMMS*

*quoted because it made me smile

“Every single word that came out of Calvin Candie’s mouth was nothing but horseshit, but he was right about one thing: I am that one n***** in ten thousand.”
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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:49:53pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

re: #28 TedStriker

Chairman of our county Democratic Party:

Ed Vaughn discusses his class portrait from Carver High School, Dothan’s high school for black students prior to integration.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:52:50pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Alexa, set a timer for 6 scaramuccis.

6 seconds later…”TIME’S UP”!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:53:47pm

Oh look, Judge Ducklips admits that SHE SAID A FIB OUT OF HER LIEHOLE.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:56:50pm

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

I did not know that.

I’m all in for an anti-trust suit against Sinclair.

The FCC needs to restore ownership limits. But it won’t as long as A-JERK and his two fellow Republican Rubber stamps let SincLIAR and Fox hijack more stations.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 1:58:33pm

re: #12 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

For what it’s worth, it keeps one of Herr Trump’s biggest sycophants off the political discussion panels on the major news networks for a few weeks at least.

Wait, you’ll see, he’ll be showing political BS from within the house. All those kiddies watching. You. Betcha. 😉

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:02:09pm

James Watson: Scientist loses titles after claims over race (BBC, more at the link):

Nobel Prize-winning American scientist James Watson has been stripped of his honorary titles after repeating comments about race and intelligence.

In a TV programme, the pioneer in DNA studies made a reference to a view that genes cause a difference on average between blacks and whites on IQ tests.

Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory said the 90-year-old scientist’s remarks were “unsubstantiated and reckless”.

Dr Watson had made similar claims in 2007 and subsequently apologised.

He shared the Nobel in 1962 with Maurice Wilkins and Francis Crick for their 1953 discovery of the DNA’s double helix structure.

Dr Watson sold his gold medal in 2014, saying he had been ostracised by the scientific community after his remarks about race.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:04:16pm

There is an active shooter incident ongoing in a Salt Lake City area mall
At least 2 people shot.
Early unconfirmed reports had 2 dead, 4 injured.

police believe 2 shooters suspects outstanding

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:05:14pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

How the ‘Democratic plantation’ became one of conservatives’ favorite slurs (Goes to the Washington Post, more at the link).

The article traces the use of the slur, research showing Republicans using the slur as far back as 1964 (as in the same year as the Civil Rights Act).

based on the idea that black americans are too stupid to know which party is looking after their interests and which party mostly pisses on them

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:05:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:06:27pm

I always found the Dem Plantation crap unbelievably patronizing and it’s iften done by white conservatives too though I see Armstrong Williams who is black popularized it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:07:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:07:36pm

re: #36 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

based on the idea that black americans are too stupid to know which party is looking after their interests and which party mostly pisses on them

That’s exactly why it’s fucked up and don’t get me started when white conservatives try to imply African Americans are unaware that Lincoln was a Republican or the Dixiecrats were Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:08:12pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Smells like Teen Putin.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:08:32pm
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BigPapa  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:10:18pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I always found the Dem Plantation crap unbelievably patronizing and it’s iften done by white conservatives too though I see Armstrong Williams who is black popularized it.

It’s outright racist. Ask somebody pushing that notion why black folk vote ~90% Dem and watch em bob and weave.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:10:57pm

re: #42 lawhawk

That’s not an OPINION (from the title of the article), it’s a statement of fact.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:11:02pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I always found the Dem Plantation crap unbelievably patronizing and it’s iften done by white conservatives too though I see Armstrong Williams who is black popularized it.

Probably because he is an African-American. It allows conservative whites to say “see, they agree with us.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:11:06pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly why it’s fucked up and don’t get me started when white conservatives try to imply African Americans are unaware that Lincoln was a Republican or the Dixiecrats were Democrats.

some goopers have even been promoting the meme that the civil rights act and the voting rights act were originated and passed by republicans, who then “forced a reluctant lbj” to sign them

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:11:27pm

re: #42 lawhawk

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Not only did Nixon not do that, I think it would have disgusted him.

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ThomasLite  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:12:12pm

re: #44 MsJ

That’s not an OPINION (from the title of the article), it’s a statement of fact.

It’s the title of an opinion piece, though. IIRC that’s consistent with how they tweet those out across the board, so it’d be a bit weird to suddenly deviate from that style guide here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:12:13pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Probably because he is an African-American. It allows conservative whites to say “see, they agree with us.”

I dunno. I think that’s too abstract. I’m sure most just hear Limbaugh say it and think it’s a clever insult.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:12:38pm

re: #48 ThomasLite

It’s the title of an opinion piece, though. IIRC that’s consistent with how they tweet those out across the board, so it’d be a bit weird to suddenly deviate from that style guide here.

I know. I was just sayin’.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:13:01pm

re: #43 BigPapa

It’s outright racist. Ask somebody pushing that notion why black folk vote ~90% Dem and watch em bob and weave.

No, they’ll immediately scream: “FOR ALL TEH FREE STUFF!!11!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:14:07pm

re: #46 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

some goopers have even been promoting the meme that the civil rights act and the votingrights act were originated and passed by republicans, who then “forced a reluctant lbj” to sign them

Civil Rights was pushed by and supported by moderates and liberals of both parties. The Republicans can’t claim they valued the legislation when they nominated Goldwater and Miller who had opposed it in Congress as their ticket in 1964.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:14:51pm

re: #46 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

some goopers have even been promoting the meme that the civil rights act and the voting rights act were originated and passed by republicans, who then “forced a reluctant lbj” to sign them

And plenty of large-l Libertarians think the Civil Rights Act is “excessive government overreach” because the so-called free market will punish bad actors.

That position is wildly ahistorical, since the majority of Jim Crow in business was not by statute, but by custom.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:15:06pm

re: #51 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, they’ll immediately scream: “FOR ALL TEH FREE STUFF!!11!!”

That’s the stock response from every single conservative who tweets at me. I’m a dude who is on welfare and a Dem only for the free stuff. Every single time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:15:52pm

re: #43 BigPapa

It’s outright racist. Ask somebody pushing that notion why black folk vote ~90% Dem and watch em bob and weave.

They don’t want to bother to consider that the GOP’s actions are why they are viewed the way they are.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:16:17pm

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

And plenty of large-l Libertarians think the Civil Rights Act is “excessive government overreach” because the so-called free market will punish bad actors.

That position is wildly ahistorical, since the majority of Jim Crow in business was not by statute, but by custom.

Absolutely.

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BigPapa  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:16:31pm

re: #51 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, they’ll immediately scream: “FOR ALL TEH FREE STUFF!!11!!”

That’s the thing. Most of the people pushing it intuit that it puts them in a position to say ‘black folk are (stupid, greedy)’ and they move to immediately dissemble.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:16:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:17:27pm

re: #54 MsJ

That’s the stock response from every single conservative who tweets at me. I’m a dude who is on welfare and a Dem only for the free stuff. Every single time.

I’m not on Twitter, but I’ve gotten the same in on-line fora.

I never got a dime of “free stuff” (unless you call VA disability “free stuff,” then I get either “that’s different” or “you’re a liar, liberals don’t join the military”).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:20:10pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is an active shooter incident ongoing in a Salt Lake City area mall
At least 2 people shot.
Early unconfirmed reports had 2 dead, 4 injured.

police believe 2 shooters suspects outstanding

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:20:21pm

Free stuff is just right wing code for “stuff we hate paying for.” No one calls the military’s weapons “free stuff” but affordable housing, health care, etc Is reduced to that.

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:23:24pm

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not on Twitter, but I’ve gotten the same in on-line fora.

I never got a dime of “free stuff” (unless you call VA disability “free stuff,” then I get either “that’s different” or “you’re a liar, liberals don’t join the military.”

Just like with gun ownership in this country, wingnuts just can’t fathom that “liberals” would join the armed forces of their own volition. I’d posit that more “liberals” that join the military do so for more altruistic reasons, such as (a genuine) love of country and a sense of public service, than do “conservatives”, who I would tend to believe do so mainly to kill people and break stuff.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:25:51pm

Another potential mass shooting in Utah, and Trump’s looking at the pretty snow in DC.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:25:59pm

Another thread to read.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:26:43pm

re: #62 TedStriker

Just like with gun ownership in this country, wingnuts just can’t fathom that “liberals” would join the armed forces of their own volition. I’d posit that more “liberals” that join the military do so for more altruistic reasons, such as love of country and a sense of public service, than do “conservatives”, which I would tend to believe do so mainly to kill people and break stuff.

Hell the assholes are shocked that the non vets of us are proud of our veteran family and friends. They really believe we hate the armed forces and they get that shit from people like Limbaugh, Coulter, & Trump who never served a day in their lives.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:29:17pm

re: #64 MsJ

Another thread to read.

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Agents Page and Sztrok get shit for disclosing their feelings on Trump but I’m sure no one would bat an eye if FBI agents monitoring gangsters had some select words. Add to that Trump repeatedly has taken Putin’s word over the IC. I’m honestly more shocked that more don’t express their disdain.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:30:00pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Hell the assholes are shocked that the non vets of us are proud of our veteran family and friends. They really believe we hate the armed forces and they get that shit from people like Limbaugh, Coulter, & Trump who never served a day in their lives.

That doesn’t quite fly here in my little town, since me being a disabled vet they all know stands as a living rebuke to what they hear on hate radio or FOX.

In the meantime, perhaps we should sic this cat on Trump.

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BigPapa  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:31:14pm

Who gets more free stuff? Poors getting assistance or the super wealthy getting disgusting tax breaks for their businesses that employ people full time who get paid so little they also have to get food stamps.

Funny how trickle down only applies to the wealthy but not to a large middle class making a good living.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:31:49pm

Nancy Pelosi in a photo with the new House committee chairs. She really stands out, even though she’s sitting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:32:24pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

That doesn’t quite fly here in my little town, since me being a disabled vet they all know stands as a living rebuke to what they hear on hate radio or FOX.

In the meantime, perhaps we should sic this cat on Trump.

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Well I’m talking as a non vet who is the grandson of one and named after one. And don’t get me started as a distant relative of an Iwo Jima flag raiser seeing that image used to deride liberals.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:33:15pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Nancy Pelosi in a photo with the new House committee chairs. She really stands out, even though she’s sitting.

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I’d call that color “resistance pink’.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:33:24pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Nancy Pelosi in a photo with the new House committee chairs. She really stands out, even though she’s sitting.

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Team America. ;) Seriously it’s a group of men and women truly representative not only of our party but country too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:34:24pm

re: #64 MsJ

Another thread to read.

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i’ve been reading that all day. Keeps growing

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:38:25pm

Woman killed, three other people critically injured by gunfire in a Phoenix motel
azfamily.com

Conservatives, there’s your damn crisis.

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BigPapa  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:38:30pm

re: #68 BigPapa

Funny how trickle down only applies to the wealthy but not to a large middle class making a good living.

Wasn’t the lesson of the post WW2 economy Vet loans and strong middle class making a decent living on one solid job with high income taxes on the super wealthy? Wasn’t America somewhat great then? Economically speaking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:38:55pm

Didn’t realize this but John Lewis is the most senior African American in Congress.now. Well earned sir.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:39:19pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Correction, one killed, five hurt (three critically).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:39:54pm

re: #75 BigPapa

Wasn’t the lesson of the post WW2 economy Vet loans and strong middle class making a decent living on one solid job with high income taxes on the super wealthy? Wasn’t America somewhat great then? Economically speaking.

Yeah but that’s before white people found out they did it all by themselves and all their problems were because of government.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:40:20pm
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:41:30pm

Fame has touched me!!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:41:34pm

Today we capped off the dopey week with the 26.2 mile marathon

We both did well.

I am pleasantly toast

Reports and recaps in the next few days. With pix.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:42:38pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

North Carolina has a natural disaster? Hmmm… with the shutdown, you’re shit out of luck. With Trump and the compromised GOP, you’re stuck waiting until aid comes your way.

Even members of your own GOP caucus don’t think that climate change is a problem they have to worry about. Have fun dealing with more of these crises and disasters going forward, because they’re not going to become more infrequent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:44:12pm

re: #58 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Yeah, Smoke Up The Oscars with Cheech & Chong!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:45:46pm

re: #82 lawhawk

North Carolina has a natural disaster? Hmmm… with the shutdown, you’re shit out of luck. With Trump and the compromised GOP, you’re stuck waiting until aid comes your way.

Even members of your own GOP caucus don’t think that climate change is a problem they have to worry about. Have fun dealing with more of these crises and disasters going forward, because they’re not going to become more infrequent.

Virginia has a state of emergency, too

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:47:09pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

With NC, I’m thinking of the asshat Meadows…

The longer the shutdown goes, the worse it gets for everyone.

People need to keep the pressure on who’s responsible: Trump, McConnell, and the GOP caucus that is going along with these saboteurs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:49:11pm

Braindead syndicated conservative columnist in my regional newspaper today:

YORK: What, precisely, do Democrats want to impeach Trump for? (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, and the headline isn’t the worst part of this):

Newly sworn-in Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib electrified progressives with her passionate declaration that she and her colleagues will “impeach the motherf—-er” — the “motherf—-er,” of course, being President Trump.

Democratic leaders were embarrassed that a high-profile freshman would speak so frankly in public. But hours before Tlaib spoke, on the first day of Democratic control of the House, another Democrat, Rep. Brad Sherman, filed a resolution of impeachment. Sherman’s resolution was later co-sponsored by another colleague, Democratic Rep. Al Green.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:50:07pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹

Braindead syndicated conservative columnist in my regional newspaper today:

YORK: What, precisely, do Democrats want to impeach Trump for? (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, and the headline isn’t the worst part of this):

Your should respond. With bullet points and links.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:50:53pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Unfortunately DT and the GOP do not care. And individuals can only help a little. I hope Pelosi and Schumer can get the House moving and push the Senate to move to help all of the people who need it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:51:16pm

Remembering Ernie Kovacs. He passed away January 13th 1962…

Best of Ernie Kovacs - Volume 1

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:52:15pm

This is a good thread

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:53:22pm

re: #82 lawhawk

North Carolina has a natural disaster? Hmmm… with the shutdown, you’re shit out of luck. With Trump and the compromised GOP, you’re stuck waiting until aid comes your way.

Even members of your own GOP caucus don’t think that climate change is a problem they have to worry about. Have fun dealing with more of these crises and disasters going forward, because they’re not going to become more infrequent.

What happened to Puerto Rico couldn’t happen again on the mainland, not at all, no way /////////////////////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:55:45pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

This is a good thread

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Oh snap. It really does show you though how she’s not progressive at all.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:56:53pm

And both NC and VA have Democratic governors, right?

They should disabuse themselves of any thought of Federal assistance, even if the government was open.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:57:01pm

re: #87 MsJ

Your should respond. With bullet points and links.

I cannot. They will only allow a letter from a person once a month. I just had a letter in the paper a couple days ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:58:33pm

re: #93 MsJ

And both NC and VA have Democratic governors, right?

They should disabuse themselves of any thought of Federal assistance, even if the government was open.

Yep we’ve got Northam and they have Cooper in NC. Beautiful snow day all in all. Went sledding.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:59:28pm

re: #81 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Today we capped off the dopey week with the 26.2 mile marathon

We both did well.

I am pleasantly toast

Reports and recaps in the next few days. With pix.

Congrats all around. Support teams, transportation, everybody.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 2:59:53pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

I cannot. They will only allow a letter from a person once a month. I just had a letter in the paper a couple days ago.

You’re wife lived there.

Just sayin’. 😂

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:04:45pm

re: #13 Myron Falwell

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For anyone who still thinks that the whole GOP is not in bed with the Russians, a reminder that 7 Republican Senators (+ 1 Republican Congresswoman) spent July 4 in Russia and then Rand Paul took an August trip to Russia carrying a message from Trump.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:09:45pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

I completely stole that!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:10:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:10:51pm

moron

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:12:06pm

re: #97 MsJ

You’re wife lived there.

Just sayin’. 😂

There is that. I’ll ask her if she wants to write a letter.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:13:47pm

Ron Howard Voice: He is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:14:09pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Russian took.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:14:56pm

conservative turns on the moron:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:15:01pm

re: #103 Myron Falwell

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Ron Howard Voice: He is.

Lol stupid fool.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:15:57pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

[Will devastate Turkey economically if they hit Kurds. Create 20 mile safe zone……..Likewise, do not want the Kurds to provoke Turkey.]

Oh, hell. Just give the Kurds a country. Is that so much to ask? Then they can have armies of soldiers, instead of militias of terrorists.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:16:30pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

Oh, hell. Just give the Kurds a country. Is that so much to ask? Then they can have armies of soldiers, instead of militias of terrorists.

They should have gotten one years ago.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:16:32pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

For anyone who still thinks that the whole GOP is not in bed with the Russians, a reminder that 7 Republican Senators (+ 1 Republican Congresswoman) spent July 4 in Russia and then Rand Paul took an August trip to Russia carrying a message from Trump.

I noticed some people found and retweeted this Dallas News story from late 2017 earlier today.

dallasnews.com

Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin’s favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

Welp.

Edit: There was an addendum to this.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:17:47pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

They should have gotten one years ago.

Decades ago. When all those other lines were drawn.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:18:46pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:18:52pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Decades ago. When all those other lines were drawn.

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:19:27pm

re: #111 Belafon

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Yeah keep on acting like Bernie is the only answer Bro. That’s smart.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:20:03pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Decades ago. When all those other lines were drawn.

Now, though we’d have to either get countries like Turkey and Iraq to give up land, or we would have to defend it.

Edited slightly.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:21:10pm

re: #114 Belafon

Now, though we’d have to either get countries like Turkey and Iraq to agree, or we wiykd have to defend it.

And Syria, and Iran, they got divided up real good.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:21:51pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Lol stupid fool.

He’s either grotesquely out of touch with reality (setting up an insanity plea?) or it’s intentional disinformation.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:22:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:22:56pm

re: #116 Myron Falwell

He’s either grotesquely out of touch with reality (setting up an insanity plea?) or it’s intentional disinformation.

Both.

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:27:55pm

re: #114 Belafon

Now, though we’d have to either get countries like Turkey and Iraq to agree, or we wiykd have to defend it.

I dunno: the big tragedy of the Kurds is that their ancestral territory is (and has been, off and on for many centuries) divided up between various other “states” - nowadays, IIRC, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey: and they would ALL have to agree to cede territory for an independent Kurdistan. Which is probably about the only policy those countries have a consensus about: i.e. never….

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:31:10pm

re: #119 Jay C

I dunno: the big tragedy of the Kurds is that their ancestral territory is (and has been, off and on for many centuries) divided up between various other “states” - nowadays, IIRC, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey: and they would ALL have to agree to cede territory for an independent Kurdistan. Which is probably about the only policy those countries have a consensus about: i.e. never….

And if one country took a leadership role in considering some territory for the Kurds, the other four would jump on them. No pretty way forward, but that won’t stop the Kurds.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:31:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:34:17pm

Another guy who helped build this weighs in.

“We Need to Destroy the Republican Party”: A Conservative Luminary Calls for a Clean Start
motherjones.com

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:35:34pm

re: #119 Jay C

I dunno: the big tragedy of the Kurds is that their ancestral territory is (and has been, off and on for many centuries) divided up between various other “states” - nowadays, IIRC, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey: and they would ALL have to agree to cede territory for an independent Kurdistan. Which is probably about the only policy those countries have a consensus about: i.e. never….

I edited it slightly to say that they would have to agree to give up land, which is a big issue.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:37:52pm

re: #123 Belafon

I edited it slightly to say that they would have to agree to give up land, which is a big issue.

Consider this a re-upding. I think we should get re-updings after edits or replies. Two if it includes a quote.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:37:54pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look, Judge Ducklips admits that SHE SAID A FIB OUT OF HER LIEHOLE.

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I don’t think this is the first time someone at FOX News made an incorrect comment and then took it back a day or so later.

Why, it almost seems like they do it on purpose because they know their hater-viewers will buy in and yak to everyone they know, never see or hear the correction, or care it was made.

But you all know that…standard FOX News operating procedure.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:38:48pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Another guy who helped build this weighs in.

“We Need to Destroy the Republican Party”: A Conservative Luminary Calls for a Clean Start
motherjones.com

I’m glad they’re calling for it.

Do you know what’s worse than the people backing Trump right now? The people on the right who don’t give a shit. Like all the people I work with. The people who leave it on Fox in the background, and really don’t think much at all. It’s these people that I’m hoping Boot, Rubin, Nichols, and Kristol get through to.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:39:13pm

Thread, three tweets.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:39:50pm

This never happens when I ride the subway. Wish it did!

Some sick, sick moves

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:40:20pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

I don’t think this is the first time someone at FOX News made an incorrect comment and then took it back a day or so later.

Why, it almost seems like they do it on purpose because they know their hater-viewers will buy in and yak to everyone they know, never see or hear the correction, or care it was made.

But you all know that…standard FOX News operating procedure.

And those retractions almost never appear on the air.

Pirro made her statement on the air. She non-pologied on Twitter.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:41:59pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

And those retractions almost never appear on the air.

Pirro made her statement on the air. She non-pologied on Twitter.

Someone in the replies made the statement that people attack even if they correct themselves, and I told them to let me know if she says it on air.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:44:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:47:22pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Because he’s s serious threat to Bernie among young people. If young voters leave Bernie, Bernie is done.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:47:56pm

re: #17 PhillyPretzel

Psst. PBS has Victoria Season 3 premiere this evening. Pass it on.

pbs.org Check your local listings.

followed immediately (at least in my city) with part 1 of a special recreation of Victoria & Albert’s wedding

Join the experts preparing to reconstruct the wedding that changed history. As they get ready for the ceremony and investigate the stories behind the dress, food and music, they uncover astonishing details, and their challenge comes into focus.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:48:28pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Another guy who helped build this weighs in.

“We Need to Destroy the Republican Party”: A Conservative Luminary Calls for a Clean Start
motherjones.com

Max Boot’s renouncing of the GOP and of conservatism has been probably the most stunning thing of all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:48:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:50:11pm

re: #134 Myron Falwell

Max Boot’s renouncing of the GOP and of conservatism has been probably the most stunning thing of all.

His admitting to never having read Goldwater seriously makes me wonder about his intelligence. I’m glad he’s critical but he’s not the intelligent thinks he is.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:51:32pm

re: #9 MsJ

Hard pass.

Not even remotely curious or interested.

If you need reason to be even less curious or interested… the host of Big Brother, Julie Chen, is Les Moonves’ wife.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:52:43pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Because he’s s serious threat to Bernie among young people. If young voters leave Bernie, Bernie is done.

Bernie is done no matter how much his supporters don’t want to believe it

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:54:28pm

re: #98 Hecuba’s daughter

For anyone who still thinks that the whole GOP is not in bed with the Russians, a reminder that 7 Republican Senators (+ 1 Republican Congresswoman) spent July 4 in Russia and then Rand Paul took an August trip to Russia carrying a message from Trump.

Yeahbutt…several Democrats were in Puerto Rico over the weekend while Trump was all alone waiting for them at the White House in the middle of a National Crisis™ and that shows you they are as bad or worse!!!

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:55:26pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

His admitting to never having read Goldwater seriously makes me wonder about his intelligence. I’m glad he’s critical but he’s not the intelligent thinks he is.

I’m a pretty good programmer and I never studied Fortran. :)

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:56:03pm

re: #139 ObserverArt

Yeahbutt…several Democrats were in Puerto Rico over the weekend while Trump was all alone waiting for them at the White House in the middle of a National Crisis™ and that shows you they are as bad or worse!!!

Of course Trump hasn’t left the White House, his security detail hasn’t gotten paid in a month.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:56:29pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I found out in the in some of the tweets in the last thread that Sirota has blocked me on Twitter. I think that’s funny.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:56:52pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie is done no matter how much his supporters don’t want to believe it

True. I just think Beto will make it sooner than later

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:57:07pm

re: #141 bd(it’s all true)

Of course Trump hasn’t left the White House, his security detail hasn’t gotten paid in a month.

Except he came to Texas, and people both let him in, and let him leave later.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 3:58:01pm

re: #141 bd(it’s all true)

Of course Trump hasn’t left the White House, his security detail hasn’t gotten paid in a month.

You mean they are not paying people in the Treasury Department? Doesn’t that make extra-bad things happen?

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:00:41pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:00:47pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

You mean they are not paying people in the Treasury Department? Doesn’t that make extra-bad things happen?

Secret Service Agents Guarding Trump Miss Paychecks In Border Wall Shutdown

huffingtonpost.com

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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:01:29pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

I suspect most of the Secret Service are being paid, as essential employees.

Which of course raises the problem of what exactly are “essential” employees?

Also, as most of OPM are not essential, changes to employment are really slowed down, changes to health insurance are on hold regarding payments (OPM is putting up warnings that some may be billed directly by the insurance companies for the premium), etc.

So even the “essential” employees are going to get messed up sooner or later (it will be sooner.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:02:36pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:03:46pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

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Meanwhile, Fucked Up Franky Graham Cracker sees nothing wrong with Gawd’s Anointed King using profanity…

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:05:03pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s a shame that disease even got near Morgan. What was it thinking?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:05:25pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh my, PM has entered the last stage of Acquired Stupidity Syndrome!

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:06:33pm

re: #151 Belafon

It’s a shame that disease even got near Morgan. What was it thinking?

That disease should have worn a biosuit or washed his hands or something.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:06:49pm

Introducing the Baroque Theorbo

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:06:52pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:07:44pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

His admitting to never having read Goldwater seriously makes me wonder about his intelligence. I’m glad he’s critical but he’s not the intelligent thinks he is.

If it’s any consolation, I never really read Goldwater, either.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:08:22pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And nothing of value was lost.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:08:27pm

re: #148 freetoken

I suspect most of the Secret Service are being paid, as essential employees.

They are essential means that they have to show up to work, they’re not getting a check for it now though. Government says it’ll catch up with them later…

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:09:03pm

re: #86 Anymouse 🌹

Well, that op-ed didn’t age particularly well given what we’ve seen so far this weekend.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:09:58pm

re: #156 Myron Falwell

If it’s any consolation, I never really read Goldwater, either.

Remember the YAFers in High School who treated “The Conscience Of A Conservative” as gospel…until I made sure they saw the expose that the book wasn’t written by Goldwater…

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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:10:20pm

re: #158 bd(it’s all true)

They are essential means that they have to show up to work, they’re not getting a check for it now though. Government says it’ll catch up with them later…

Yes, but money can be moved around. Used to be only the DoD could do it (multi-year appropriation). Secretary of the Treasury has discretionary funds.

The problem is the widgets, that is, the “non-essential” personnel are not working.

Turns out the non-essential personnel are needed to make the machinery work.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:10:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:11:38pm

re: #156 Myron Falwell

If it’s any consolation, I never really read Goldwater, either.

Yeah but you weren’t a top conservative policy adviser who would cite Goldwater for conservatism’s superiority over liberalism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:12:37pm

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:13:39pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:14:15pm
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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:14:22pm

re: #36 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

based on the idea that black americans are too stupid to know which party is looking after their interests and which party mostly pisses on them

“looking after their interests” might be a bit of an overstatement.

One party mostly ignores them, with occasional useful exceptions. The other party spends a lot of time and energy kicking them in the teeth.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:14:58pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:15:02pm

re: #148 freetoken

I suspect most of the Secret Service is being paid, as essential employees.

Which of course raises the problem of what exactly are “essential” employees?

Also, as most of OPM are not essential, changes to employment are really slowed down, changes to health insurance are on hold regarding payments (OPM is putting up warnings that some may be billed directly by the insurance companies for the premium), etc.

So even the “essential” employees are going to get messed up sooner or later (it will be sooner.)

But the people who send out paychecks are “essential”. So there they are, mailing out hundreds of thousands of paychecks for $0.00.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:15:11pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bye Tulsi.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:16:48pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Oh that’s so believable coming from a guy who called the White House a dump.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:16:51pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Did Tulsi not expect any of this to come out? She couldn’t be that naïve.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:17:32pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Yeah but you weren’t a top conservative policy adviser who would cite Goldwater for conservatism’s superiority over liberalism.

Touché. Lol

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:18:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:19:18pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell

Did Tulsi not expect any of this to come out? She couldn’t be that naïve.

I don’t think she cares because in her mind it’s all positive.

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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:19:26pm

re: #169 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But the people who send out paychecks are “essential”. So there they are, mailing out hundreds of thousands of paychecks for $0.00.

But many who are needed to make changes are not essential.

And eventually all employees actually need those other employees.

The treasury employees running the computers are essential, accruing back-pay by showing up. But the people needed to make employee decisions, including at OPM, are not.

Turns out the gears need to be greased.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:19:29pm

re: #109 Myron Falwell

I noticed some people found and retweeted this Dallas News story from late 2017 earlier today.

dallasnews.com

Welp.

Edit: There was an addendum to this.

That was me last night. It wasn’t a tweet because I don’t have a Twitter account.

I keep it bookmarked since May 2017 because it is one I see as important in this whole mess. And I revisit it often.

And yes, I mentioned it has been updated. I expect them to continue to bring it out for more updates too.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:22:12pm

re: #174 Dave In Austin

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, Castro, Klobuchar
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Bernie, Tulsi.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:22:59pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You really don’t have to scratch the surface very hard to uncover Gabbard’s extreme social conservative past and cozying up to bad people. The fact that Gabbard didn’t think this would turn off Democrats, without some serious mea culpas, doesn’t make her look very smart or competent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:24:45pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:24:49pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Another guy who helped build this weighs in.

“We Need to Destroy the Republican Party”: A Conservative Luminary Calls for a Clean Start
motherjones.com

The heart of the problem is the GOP’s commitment to redistributing wealth to its donor class, and not doing anything for the country, which would cost money that should be distributed to the donor class. Since they have nothing real to offer anyone else, they can only lie and appeal to base prejudices for votes. And since SCOTUS has ruled $$=speech, the GOP can’t shake its addiction to donor money and reform itself. The only route open to the GOP is to continue its lurch toward fascism.

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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:25:30pm

Many DoD, Treasury, and Homeland Security employees are “essential”, that is “excepted”, but not all of them.

Many other government employees are not.

None are getting paid, save for the discretionary funds that may have already been obligated as such or those who are being paid from non-annually appropriated funds.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:25:46pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She doesn’t have sugar daddies like you and Charlie Kirk because she’s a public official you waste of space.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:26:37pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, it’s not like she inherited a real estate fortune and got million dollar loans from daddy and who could get bailed out each time she fucked up the way Trump did.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:27:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:27:48pm

re: #184 lawhawk

Well, it’s not like she inherited a real estate fortune and got million dollar loans from daddy and who could get bailed out each time she fucked up the way Trump did.

And might add there are plenty of conservatives who Candice no doubt admires who have declared bankruptcy.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:28:24pm

re: #13 Myron Falwell

Max Boot
✔
@MaxBoot
As I write in my new @PostOpinions column, if Trump isn’t a Russian agent, he’s doing a pretty good imitation of one: wapo.st

Now that we’ve listed 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset, let’s look at the exculpatory evidence. . .

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I can’t think of anything that would exonerate Trump aside from the difficulty of grasping what once would have seemed unimaginable: that a president of the United States could actually have been compromised by a hostile foreign power.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:29:29pm
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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:29:41pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:29:50pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell

Did Tulsi not expect any of this to come out? She couldn’t be that naïve.

There are plenty of Tulsibots who ARE that näive!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:31:48pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who is Candy’s Sugar Daddy? Mercer? Fries? Adelson? Koch?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:33:06pm

re: #191 Joe Bacon 🌹

Who is Candy’s Sugar Daddy? Mercer? Fries? Adelson? Koch?

She and Kirk are Turning Points USA I believe. Someone is subsidizing those hacks.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:33:39pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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All that snow covered up all of the non-picked up trash outside the gates….how pretty.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:33:40pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

She and Kirk are Turning Points USA I believe. Someone is subsidizing those hacks.

I do believe Foster Friess bankrolls Turning Point.

Oh, and he DOES bankroll Turning Point USA so he’s Candy and Chucky’s Sugar Daddy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:33:53pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:34:16pm

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

I do believe Foster Fries bankrolls Turning Point.

Ah ha so there’s the answer.

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freetoken  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:35:57pm

For all their whining about “government”, lots of self-declared “conservatives” depend upon government funds and services.

These are now unraveling.

Not just with the TSA (though those are the stories which make headlines.) All the little bits - such as VA applications, home loan insurance, flood insurance, Social Security updates.

And then all the contractors - lots and lots of people benefit from government contracts even if they don’t realize it.

Local agencies that depend on funds (such as ADA funds for mass transit) will be affected negatively as Trump continues his temper tantrum.

Libertarianism is a lie (we all know that) and it will be clear as Trump continues his madness.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:38:52pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Now we should all really be afraid of what he posts.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:41:25pm

re: #148 freetoken

I suspect most of the Secret Service are being paid, as essential employees.

Which of course raises the problem of what exactly are “essential” employees?

Also, as most of OPM are not essential, changes to employment are really slowed down, changes to health insurance are on hold regarding payments (OPM is putting up warnings that some may be billed directly by the insurance companies for the premium), etc.

So even the “essential” employees are going to get messed up sooner or later (it will be sooner.)

Essential employees have to work without pay. Nonessential are furloughed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:41:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:43:07pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Benedict Arnold without Saratoga. But he’ll have his defenders.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:44:05pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ten times worse than Watergate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:46:09pm
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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:46:37pm

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

I do believe Foster Friess bankrolls Turning Point.

Oh, and he DOES bankroll Turning Point USA so he’s Candy and Chucky’s Sugar Daddy!

Also the DeVos family (among others)
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:48:26pm

re: #204 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

Also the DeVos family (among others)
en.wikipedia.org

Pretty funny that Candice anc Charlie think they’re these rebels when they’re just tools.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:52:22pm

re: #198 Belafon

Now we should all really be afraid of what he posts.

THAT’S NOT A MUSHROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 4:58:25pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:01:46pm

You don’t “save up” money to pay rent. Candace would know that if she wasn’t such a fucktard.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:03:35pm

re: #140 Belafon

I’m a pretty good programmer and I never studied Fortran. :)

I am a pretty bad programmer and only know FORTRAN.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:03:36pm

Have no idea who any of these folks are. But, I just saw that apparently part of Travis Scott’s deal has the NFL contributing $500,000 to non-profit ‘Dream Corps’ (Van Jones operation)

And, I stumbled onto this really disturbingly stalker/creeper/cannibal(?) video from Maroon 5

Maroon 5 - Animals

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:04:05pm

re: #208 Amory Blaine

You don’t “save up” money to pay rent. Candace would know that if she wasn’t such a fucktard.

You save when you’re buyinh. Again I don’t see her disparaging the Republicans who think their six figure salary isn’t enough. She’s a useless hypocrite and jealous of AOC for actually being herself rather than a stupid hack.

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geosherman  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:05:22pm

YouTube


Mandolin Orange. Thank you LGF for pointing me towards Chris Thile. I heard this group on his Live from Here and was stunned at the sound!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:06:40pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting column in the perspective section of the Chicago Tribune today by a Meri T. Long titled “Who has the more compassion: Democrats or Republicans”.

Results are based on a survey she conducted in 2016; the results:

Despite political rhetoric that places them at opposite ends of the spectrum, Republican and Democratic voters appear to be similarly compassionate.

Democrats view compassion as a political value while Republicans will integrate compassion into their politics when their leaders make it part of an explicit message.

There is a caveat to this: I asked these survey questions about personal feelings of compassion in a 2016 online survey that also asked about choice of president.
……
The Republican voters who didn’t support Trump were similar to Democrats on the survey with respect to their answers about compassion. Their average scores on the compassion items were the same. This is in line with the other survey data showing that liberals and conservatives, and Republicans and Democrats, are largely similar in these personality measures of compassion.

But Trump supporters’ answers were not in line with these findings.

Instead, their average responses to the broad compassion questions were significantly lower. These answers showed that Trump supporters were lower in personal compassion.

No surprise there — Candace Owens, Charles Kirk, etc all fit in with this profile.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:07:51pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Interesting column in the perspective section of the Chicago Tribune today by a Meri T. Long titled Who has the more compassion: Democrats or Republicans.

Results are based on a survey she conducted in 2016; the results:

No surprise there — Candace Owens, Charles Kirk, etc all fit in with this profile.

I imagine they’d score even lower in empathy.

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:09:43pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Interesting column in the perspective section of the Chicago Tribune today by a Meri T. Long titled Who has the more compassion: Democrats or Republicans.

Results are based on a survey she conducted in 2016; the results:

No surprise there — Candace Owens, Charles Kirk, etc all fit in with this profile.

Takeaway: Trumpistas are amoral monsters that shouldn’t be trusted watching grass grow, much less vote, because “fuck you, I got mine”.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:10:28pm

My latest song and video obsession.

Father John Misty - “Mr. Tillman” [Official Music Video]

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:11:11pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Interesting column in the perspective section of the Chicago Tribune today by a Meri T. Long titled Who has the more compassion: Democrats or Republicans.

Results are based on a survey she conducted in 2016; the results:

No surprise there — Candace Owens, Charles Kirk, etc all fit in with this profile.

More proof that Chucky and The Bride of Chucky have taken human form.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:16:21pm

re: #215 TedStriker

Takeaway: Trumpistas are amoral monsters that shouldn’t be trusted watching grass grow, much less vote, because “fuck you, I got mine”.

That sums it up quite smartly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:22:11pm

If Republicans had their way, this would be the new National Anthem!

Randy Newman - It’s Money That I Love

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:27:16pm
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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:29:53pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:30:59pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:31:16pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah, it’s Rupee and Burlap, so it was absolutely nothing of consequence

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:32:48pm

re: #221 lawhawk

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And now that asshole has been installed in a patronage position in the Social Security Administration!

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:32:55pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Celebrity Deathmatch…

and Scaramucci lasts less than a scaramucci on the show.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:35:31pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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This is the house where they should be locked into!

House on Haunted Hill (Restored) - Trailer

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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:36:14pm

Re: Having savings to rent an apartment in DC.

News reports cite between 45 and 70 members of Congress sleep in their D.C. offices, creating potential tax, safety, and ethical concerns for Members and their staff. Members of Congress are not charged rent, utility, or cleaning bills for living and sleeping
in their offices, which means they are using official resources for personal expenses.

dearcolleague.us

Paul fucking Ryan was one of them, as is/was Kevin fucking McCarthy.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:36:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:37:55pm

re: #228 MsJ

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They have double standards too.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:38:52pm

If these morons who supported Trump don’t see what he’s doing to them right now, I honestly don’t care if they literally lose the farm

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:38:56pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:39:47pm
It’s a sunny Saturday afternoon, yet eleven-year-old AMY DROUIN has found herself faced with the excruciating task of alphabetizing hundreds of old CD’s in a dark basement. This is her punishment for hiding a failed math exam from her mom, and one she begrudgingly accepts.

Upon discovering an old eighties Nintendo console among the mountains of cd’s, she abandons her duties and dives into a game, only to find herself stuck on an unbeatable level.

This is literally the plot of JUMANJI 2: Welcome To The Jungle which BTW was not a horrible movie.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:39:48pm

re: #221 lawhawk

Semen’s ‘Remarkable Chemicals’

Oh, I gotta start writing some of this stuff down….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:39:55pm

re: #230 Myron Falwell

If these morons who supported Trump don’t see what he’s doing to them right now, I honestly don’t care if they literally lose the farm

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They do not care. As long as Trump kicks colored people down they are with him till the end!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:40:14pm

I have followed these guys for years. They hit Austin every year at the same small venue.

Acoustic Alchemy “Lazeez” Live at Java Jazz Festival 2011

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:40:29pm

re: #230 Myron Falwell

If these morons who supported Trump don’t see what he’s doing to them right now, I honestly don’t care if they literally lose the farm

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I feel bad for their kids but not them. They voted their prejudices on an idiot who doesn’t know the first thing about agriculture and doesn’t care.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:41:17pm

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is the house where they should be locked into!

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I loved that movie!

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:42:47pm

re: #225 lawhawk

Celebrity Deathmatch…

and Scaramucci lasts less than a scaramucci on the show.

Too bad Mills Lane had his stroke and can’t really talk anymore…

“Let’s get it on!”

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:43:21pm

re: #233 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Precious bodily fluids and all…

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:44:26pm

re: #230 Myron Falwell

If these morons who supported Trump don’t see what he’s doing to them right now, I honestly don’t care if they literally lose the farm

TBH, I don’t want people to get hurt, but if this doesn’t drive home “elections have consequences” to those in Trump Country, I have no idea.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:44:34pm

re: #238 TedStriker

Good fight. Good night.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:47:47pm

Somebody is so so so jealous of the Richest Man In The World.

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fern01  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:49:27pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

trump ruins anyone who comes near him. Maybe one day they will learn not to accept a position with this m.f.

Edit: and from your link

Why it matters: Trump’s willingness to humiliate his top staffer in front of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi is another reminder — beyond Democratic unwillingness to fund a barrier — of why shutdown talks have made zero progress: Trump exhibits little regard for the credibility of his own deputies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:50:39pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody is so so so jealous of the Richest Man In The World.

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I like how the President calling a private citizen a name is no big deal.

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stpaulbear  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:50:44pm

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is the house where they should be locked into!

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The house in that movie is one of Frank Lloyd Wright’s southern California houses. One thing that those houses have in common is that no one liked to live in them very long.

S9 E1: That Far Corner - Frank Lloyd Wright in Los Angeles

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:52:10pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Trump is worth a rounding error in valuing the entire Bezos wealth that is going to get split up.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:52:22pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

He calls Schumer and Bezos by nick names and still refers to the Speaker of the House by her first name Nancy. I think he is afraid of her because she knows what he is going to do next.

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mmmirele  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:55:47pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Nancy Pelosi in a photo with the new House committee chairs. She really stands out, even though she’s sitting.

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FUCHSIA. It’s one of my favorite colors and she’s rocking it! Damn I knew I liked this woman.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:56:35pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for their kids but not them. They voted their prejudices on an idiot who doesn’t know the first thing about agriculture and doesn’t care.

Most people aren’t as wired into politics as those here. When you have the Chicago Tribune endorsing Gary Johnson, when you have the media focusing on her emails and not spending even more time on his incompetence and treachery, when you have the traditional candidates offering no real solutions to the offshoring and outsourcing of jobs, when you have Comey come out about 10 days before the election to sabotage one candidate, it’s not surprising that the traitor can be elected. He had a simple story to tell: successful businessman who became a billionaire real estate developer; it doesn’t matter that the story was false — because the average reader had no reason to disbelieve the claims,

So I will be forgiving of those who made the mistake of supporting Trump in 2016, but not those who continue to support him, who remain deluded about his business acumen and character.

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:56:46pm

re: #240 TedStriker

TBH, I don’t want people to get hurt, but if this doesn’t drive home “elections have consequences” to those in Trump Country, I have no idea.

Why would the hardcore base” in Trump Country ever get the point? Most of them are addicted consumers of RW media (and only RW media): and not, AFACBD, prone to much (if any) questioning of the Received Political Dogma, i.e. The Gospel According To Fox News.
Any hardships they might experience from the shutdown? The message they are going to be wallowing in is going to be simplistically, vigorously and repeatedly driven home: IT’S ALL SOMEBODY ELSE’S FAULT!!! And we can all imagine the various values of “Somebody Else” which will be applied….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 5:58:41pm

Lobbyist paper tho? re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

Most people aren’t as wired into politics as those here. When you have the Chicago Tribune endorsing Gary Johnson, when you have the media focusing on her emails and not spending even more time on his incompetence and treachery, when you have the traditional candidates offering no real solutions to the offshoring and outsourcing of jobs, when you have Comey come out about 10 days before the election to sabotage one candidate, it’s not surprising that the traitor can be elected. He had a simple story to tell: successful businessman who became a billionaire real estate developer; it doesn’t matter that the story was false — because the average reader had no reason to disbelieve the claims,

So I will be forgiving of those who made the mistake of supporting Trump in 2016, but not those who continue to support him, who remain deluded about his business acumen and character.

I’m sorry but Donald Trump had zero elected experience. I can’t forgive this. I just can’t.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:00:33pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Lobbyist paper tho?

I’m sorry but Donald Trump had zero elected experience. I can’t forgive this. I just can’t.

Chicago Tribune is the main local paper in the greater Chicagoland area.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:03:04pm

re: #247 PhillyPretzel

He calls Schumer and Bezos by nick names and still refers to the Speaker of the House by her first name Nancy. I think he is afraid of her because she knows what he is going to do next.

Trump never progressed beyond being a third grader with his desire to insult and belittle anyone who dares challenge him. He’s done this since pillorying Rosie O’Donnell on a daily basis back in 2006. It’s fine if you want to remain in grade school for the rest of your life, but totally destroys any chance you have to be a competent leader or someone who can win over anyone beyond your rabid fringe base.

The only people he hasn’t belittled in public, beyond his family? Fox News opinion hosts, and Putin.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:04:17pm

This fucking guy again. Why is he still president?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:04:58pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

That is why I did not vote for him. I voted for HRC. The proud Philadelphia tradition of splitting ones ticket.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:11:29pm

Did I kill the thread again?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:11:57pm

re: #256 PhillyPretzel

Did I kill the thread again?

No I’m just watching True Detective

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:12:42pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

And I am watching Victoria.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:13:11pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:13:51pm

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

And I am watching Victoria.

And Mrs. Fish and I are watching season 2 of the cheesy sci-fi/post-apocalyptic train wreck of a show called Future Man, starring The Hunger Games’s Josh Hutcherson.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:14:04pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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We get it, you can’t discuss the issues like an adult President Peetape.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:16:07pm

re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

Most people aren’t as wired into politics as those here. When you have the Chicago Tribune endorsing Gary Johnson, when you have the media focusing on her emails and not spending even more time on his incompetence and treachery, when you have the traditional candidates offering no real solutions to the offshoring and outsourcing of jobs, when you have Comey come out about 10 days before the election to sabotage one candidate, it’s not surprising that the traitor can be elected. He had a simple story to tell: successful businessman who became a billionaire real estate developer; it doesn’t matter that the story was false — because the average reader had no reason to disbelieve the claims,

So I will be forgiving of those who made the mistake of supporting Trump in 2016, but not those who continue to support him, who remain deluded about his business acumen and character.

My previous employer was so goddam deluded about Trump. Didn’t matter one bit about anything else, just that he was a “businessman” (lolz) and his embrace of right wing nuttery finally showed itself… or maybe I finally had the smarts to actually notice.

I consider being fired from him in July 2016 an act of intervention by a higher power, as I wound up taking a far better job with a better company a few months later.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:16:09pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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So Presidential

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:16:58pm

re: #263 bd(it’s all true)

So Presidential

So manly too. He’s a childish loser.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:18:27pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:20:19pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

It’s all he has left. His outright racism and his tired, boring childish insults.

You bet he’s fucking scared of another scoop.

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mmmirele  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:20:25pm

Thanks ever so much, Donald. /sarc

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:24:47pm

re: #267 mmmirele

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Thanks ever so much, Donald. /sarc

It’s fucked, but nothing is going to get resolved until more people get hurt. It’s the trump way. Fuck him.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:26:13pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:27:17pm

re: #268 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s fucked, but nothing is going to get resolved until more people get hurt. It’s the trump way. Fuck him.

Wait until all TSA employees walk off their jobs indefinitely and he can’t fly to Mar-a-lago…

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:27:42pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

A video of Trump in prison garb being forced to wake up early will be a smash.

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:28:40pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:30:03pm

re: #245 stpaulbear

The house in that movie is one of Frank Lloyd Wright’s southern California houses. One thing that those houses have in common is that no one liked to live in them very long.

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The upkeep on them is very difficult because of discovered flaws in the building blocks.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:30:08pm

re: #272 lawhawk

Well, I’m not shocked, but I probably should be shocked.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:33:20pm

Looks like it’s gonna get REALLY ugly for the NRA now.

Thoughts and prayers, anyone? XD

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:33:59pm

re: #272 lawhawk

Kind of makes me wonder if those out at my government contractor job who are members of the NRA should be allowed to have clearances.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:34:27pm

This familiar staple may not be adequate in the days to come.

I’m ordering up a tanker load of this stuff for the Mueller report release instead:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:37:02pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

Looks like it’s gonna get REALLY ugly for the NRA now.

Thoughts and prayers, anyone? XD

Hey why not serve these to the traitors at the Tiny Penis Club?

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lawhawk  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:38:03pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

Looks like it’s gonna get REALLY ugly for the NRA now.

Thoughts and prayers, anyone? XD

They’re not worth the thoughts or prayers.

They are worth further investigations by the FBI, NSA, and conintel. They are a compromised organization that funnels funds to preferred candidates who further the NRA agenda.

That means GOPers are primarily benefiting from their largess.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:41:48pm

Good news. NRA is going out of business.
Bad News. It will be replaced by something worse.

The new entity will be more conservative, BUT less effective, so it’s half a step forward.

Enough wisdom for today, I just had some Girl Scout Cookies (the good kind) and am going to sleep.

One Love.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:44:05pm

re: #279 lawhawk

They’re not worth the thoughts or prayers.

They are worth further investigations by the FBI, NSA, and conintel. They are a compromised organization that funnels funds to preferred candidates who further the NRA agenda.

That means GOPers are primarily benefiting from their largess.

Exactly right. Seeing them get their just desserts will be so satisfying to watch.

To be blunt, the organization should cease to exist after all this. That probably won’t happen, but they’ll be so weakened and marginalized that the death penalty probably would be a better option.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:45:49pm

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:46:50pm
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:56:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 6:59:01pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:02:09pm

re: #285 Charles Johnson

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The MOST literate racist president, ever!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:03:13pm

re: #285 Charles Johnson

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But I thought his bad grammar was deliberate.//

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:03:58pm

re: #283 bd(it’s all true)

Trump’s apparent idol, Andrew Jackson, committed one of the worst acts of mass genocide in the history of the US, of course he hates the First Nations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:05:02pm

He knows the end is near for his Presidency. Indictments are coming and they’re not only going to take him out, they will take out his whole family and a bunch of Congressional Republicans too!

Watch him do the Warren Harding thing and head for a trip to Alaska…

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:05:17pm

There’s more, he’s going to rant.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:07:00pm

re: #290 Dave In Austin

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:08:05pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Pretty funny that Candice anc Charlie think they’re these rebels when they’re just tools.

I’m just finished with redoing a web store site…so I am behind and this may have already been said.

This whole funding of the GOP Brat Pack (Turning Point, Milo and Chuck C, Tomi Lahren, and who knows who else as they come and go) seems to me a repeat of the whole Tea Party movement.

If I remember one of the very first Tea Party creators was an independent libertarian. His original idea was to not be associated with a party.

It all started to take off, other TP organizations sprang up, it became big with all the idiots with a grudge (majority conservatives…go figure). Of course the hatred for Obama really started a lot of it. By I think it was 2010, in stepped Dick Armey and his FreedomWorks organization to bring the big GOP backer bucks to turn the TeaParty into what it all became.

Point of my ramble is…someone and somebodies similar to a Dick Armey/FreedomWorks is probably funding money to all kinds of nuts. They can be used to stir shit up and then be called, well nuts, when they go too far.

But it probably is still encourage by some fat-moneyed GOP insiders somewhere. That is how they work. Dirty underground rat activities.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:08:25pm
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:09:03pm

re: #273 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #245 stpaulbear

The house in that movie is one of Frank Lloyd Wright’s southern California houses. One thing that those houses have in common is that no one liked to live in them very long.

[Embedded content]

The upkeep on them is very difficult because of discovered flaws in the building blocks.

The Ennis Brown House in Los Feliz (L.A.). I remember seeing it on a school tour some time back (I think) early in the Johnson Administration: even then it was partly-closed for restoration work (and again, when I went back in the ’90s). Typical of Wright: he built it mostly out of these weird concrete blocks he designed, with his usual attention to artistic effect, and his usual disdain for the practical matters of weathering and maintenance.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:12:00pm

re: #294 Jay C

Absolutely right, Jay.

The block concrete mixtures weren’t formulated for long term wear.

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Skip Intro  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:16:11pm

re: #290 Dave In Austin

There’s more, he’s going to rant.

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He didn’t write that. No CAPS, and he got the their/there right.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:16:18pm

re: #294 Jay C

The Ennis Brown House in Los Feliz (L.A.). I remember seeing it on a school tour some time back (I think) early in the Johnson Administration: even then it was partly-closed for restoration work (and again, when I went back in the ’90s). Typical of Wright: he built it mostly out of these weird concrete blocks he designed, with his usual attention to artistic effect, and his usual disdain for the practical matters of weathering and maintenance.

I used to be a fan. I’ve been to a couple of his houses in Wisconsin, then years later saw where he lived (for I don’t know how long) in Oak Park, IL. I don’t know if it was there, or in ‘outside reading’, but I found out he was kind of a jerk to his wife and kids.

re: #295 Joe Bacon 🌹

Absolutely right, Jay.

The block concrete mixtures weren’t formulated for long term wear.

He thought his family wasn’t, either.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:17:49pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

Yes, he ran off with another woman.

Years before Ray Parker came up with this!

Youtube Video

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:18:26pm

re: #296 Skip Intro

He didn’t write that. No CAPS, and he got the their/there right.

Melania clearly took the iPhone from him after the typo. She had to show him how to upload photos earlier today, and now apparently had to show him how to spell.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:20:19pm

re: #298 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, he ran off with another woman.

Yeah, ‘kind of a jerk’ can encompass just about anything…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:20:37pm

re: #281 Myron Falwell

Exactly right. Seeing them get their just desserts will be so satisfying to watch.

To be blunt, the organization should cease to exist after all this. That probably won’t happen, but they’ll be so weakened and marginalized that the death penalty probably would be a better option.

Growth opportunity for the even crazier gun organisation run by Larry Pratt.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:21:26pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

I can’t find it at the moment but I read an article recently that showed Trump supporters rated higher in aggression than other people, even other so-called conservatives.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:21:53pm

re: #301 Anymouse 🌹

Growth opportunity for the even crazier gun organisation run by Larry Pratt.

Until we find out that Russian money gets into Larry’s pocket, too!

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:23:31pm

re: #253 Myron Falwell

Trump never progressed beyond being a third grader with his desire to insult and belittle anyone who dares challenge him. He’s done this since pillorying Rosie O’Donnell on a daily basis back in 2006. It’s fine if you want to remain in grade school for the rest of your life, but totally destroys any chance you have to be a competent leader or someone who can win over anyone beyond your rabid fringe base.

The only people he hasn’t belittled in public, beyond his family? Fox News opinion hosts, and Putin.

He did it before 2006 Myron.

He has always been like that. I’ve followed him as far as a personality since the late 70s. He’s had the big mouth and the put-downs the whole time.

Go with the old phrase of a tiger never changes its stripes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:25:46pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson
✔
@Green_Footballs
President Racist Grandpa, going big with the bigotry tonight. Scared of something about to break?

Donald J. Trump ✔
@realDonaldTrump
If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash! pic.twitter.com

9:11 PM - Jan 13, 2019

That right there was the tweet of a pure fucking dick.

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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:26:36pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:31:37pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

He did it before 2006 Myron.

He has always been like that. I’ve followed him as far as a personality since the late 70s. He’s had the big mouth and the put-downs the whole time.

Go with the old phrase of a tiger never changes its stripes.

Very true. I only considered his 2006 attacks on Rosie as of particular note because it was the first time his big mouth was amplified and oversaturated in the media… and “The View” fell for it.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:31:48pm

re: #296 Skip Intro

He didn’t write that. No CAPS, and he got the their/there right.

Stephen Miller then. He’s a racist piece of shit who’d totally, gleefully say that and more.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:32:02pm

re: #306 makeitstop

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Unfair to coleslaw.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:34:25pm

re: #306 makeitstop

“Some lefties” … I’d consider David Sirota and the bot accounts propping her up as literal hemorrhoids, not lefties.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:35:07pm

re: #306 makeitstop

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:35:21pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Unfair to coleslaw.

I like coleslaw too, especially coarse and tangy and not too much dressing.

Tulsi Gabbard is fine shredded tasteless watery glop.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:37:57pm

Adding more injury to the racist Pocahontas insults:
Trump’s Shutdown continues to be a treaty violation with all Native American tribes who ceded land and mineral rights to the U.S. Government in exchange for regular payments.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:39:17pm

WHOA

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:40:55pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

I used to be a fan. I’ve been to a couple of his houses in Wisconsin, then years later saw where he lived (for I don’t know how long) in Oak Park, IL. I don’t know if it was there, or in ‘outside reading’, but I found out he was kind of a jerk to his wife and kids.

He thought his family wasn’t, either.

For a couple years I lived across the street from his Robie House. What I had always heard was that his houses looked fantastic but were seriously flawed and expensive to maintain. Looks over function.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:41:38pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:41:53pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

I like coleslaw too, especially coarse and tangy and not too much dressing.

Tulsi Gabbard is fine shredded tasteless watery glop.

I like the vinegar coleslaw the best. It’s sharp and tangy.

I guess that makes me an AOC fan.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:42:46pm

re: #315 Hecuba’s daughter

For a couple years I lived across the street from his Robie House. What I had always heard was that his houses looked fantastic but were seriously flawed and expensive to maintain. Looks over function.

I lived in Oak Park for 2 years when I started working for Social Security. Loved to walk all around the village and see his works.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:43:36pm

re: #308 MsJ

Stephen Miller then. He’s a racist piece of shit who’d totally, gleefully say that and more.

It’s likely either Santa Monica Gobbels or Kellyanne. Both act like shit and look like shit.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:47:11pm

re: #316 jaunte

It’s also a real-time exercise over the folly of playing to a small extreme base while writing off everyone else.

It hasn’t been working, it isn’t working now, and it will never work.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:50:40pm

So was out Utah first then Arizona or the other way around?

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:51:16pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:52:07pm

re: #233 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, I gotta start writing some of this stuff down….

Potential band name

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:53:31pm

Holy shit, I just noticed that Pat Buchanan is still alive and writing shitty stuff for the equally shitty vdare. That’s a fucking shame.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:56:13pm

re: #324 Myron Falwell

Holy shit, I just noticed that Pat Buchanan is still alive and writing shitty stuff for the equally shitty vdare. That’s a fucking shame.

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Makes sense. Pat is Trump’s biggest influence in American politics imo.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:56:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:57:06pm

re: #326 jaunte

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Enabling clownshits.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2019 • 7:57:34pm

re: #326 jaunte

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Benedict Arnold wasn’t a traditional general.//

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Charles Johnson  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:00:19pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:01:29pm

re: #326 jaunte

Senator Ron Johnson is the kind of guy that looks like he would be comfortable running a Check ‘n’ Go payday loan shark business.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:02:08pm

re: #326 jaunte

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What instructions did Putin give to those Republican Senators who were in Moscow last 4th of July—INCLUDING RON JOHNSON!!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:03:30pm

BTW, anyone have the latest information as to Ginger Snapped?

Has he left the country to shack up with Snowden?

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:03:59pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:04:06pm

re: #326 jaunte

I like Wisconsin for cheese, Sprecher root beer, Culver’s and Menards. Ron Johnson and Scott Walker almost cancel that out entirely.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:06:59pm

WTF is this??

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:07:17pm

re: #331 Joe Bacon 🌹

What instructions did Putin give to those Republican Senators who were in Moscow last 4th of July—INCLUDING RON JOHNSON!!!!

Yeah, that was “not a traditional” foreign policy move on Ron’s part.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:09:25pm

re: #334 Myron Falwell

I like Wisconsin for cheese, Sprecher root beer, Culver’s and Menards. Rob Johnson and Scott Walker almost cancel that out entirely.

Don’t forget the Kringles!

I love them, too!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:09:42pm

BBC report on a young Saudi woman and her sister, who sneaked away from their family in the KSA to seek asylum elsewhere. She chose Canada because it has an excellent human rights record. Better than the USA. Let that sink in for a while.

bbc.com

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:11:16pm

re: #275 Myron Falwell

Looks like it’s gonna get REALLY ugly for the NRA now.

Thoughts and prayers, anyone? XD

No.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:11:52pm

Dynamic!!! And having fun doing it. Watch the rest of the team on at matside.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:13:15pm

re: #339 Ace Rothstein

No.

Me neither.

I say, let them crash.

Airplane Movie Counter Point clip

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:14:43pm

re: #332 Joe Bacon 🌹

BTW, anyone have the latest information as to Ginger Snapped?

Has he left the country to shack up with Snowden?

Rage Furby has been curiously silent for months. Charles may have a better handle on his whereabouts than I do, though. There were rumors he and his Hot Asian Wife (his words not mine) had divorced, and reports than he had funneled bitcoin donations through a shell company to some congressperson’s campaign. There’s also rumors that he might be swept up in the Mueller investigations, courtesy of his association with WikiLeaks and Rohrabacher.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:17:36pm

re: #334 Myron Falwell

I like Wisconsin for cheese, Sprecher root beer, Culver’s and Menards. Ron Johnson and Scott Walker almost cancel that out entirely.

Please do not consider Menard’s in that grouping. John Menard makes Scott Walker look like St. Francis and the company he runs is notorious for their garbage product. I have a uncle who was a drunk who’d take any job he could actually get as a carpenter but the materials Menard provided to build a subdivision were so substandard he walked away from it. Others didn’t and those crappy houses are still being rented as they fall apart around people. On another occasion John Menard tried to kill my FiL by running him over because Ed was a United Brotherhood of Carpenters organizer. This was in front of the Eau Claire county sheriff but nothing came of it - Johnny’s too powerful. Another time a high tech firms new factory was persuaded to not have decent wages by him (“Nice place here. Pity if something happened to it”) .

I could go on but the fact is there is no decent mass market lumber yard. Find a small locally owned lumber yard & hardware store and patronize them instead. Every dollar not spent at Menard’s/Home Depot/Lowe’s improves the world.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:18:27pm

re: #341 Myron Falwell

Me neither.

I say, let them crash.

Don’t stop there. I want gun manufacturers to LOSE their shield and be held liable for the deaths they cause.

I’m at the point that people with assault weapons should be mandated to buy a million dollar liability policy for each assault rifle they own and if they don’t have the policy they lose their toy.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:19:06pm

re: #340 Dave In Austin

Dynamic!!! And having fun doing it. Watch the rest of the team on at matside.

[Embedded content]

Who is that? That was amazing!

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:23:49pm
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:25:55pm

re: #346 jaunte

I hate them. I hate them! Who are they to take upon themselves the gift of life and death?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:27:36pm

re: #345 MsJ

Who is that? That was amazing!

UCLA…..

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:28:37pm

re: #343 William Lewis

Please do not consider Menard’s in that grouping. John Menard makes Scott Walker look like St. Francis and the company he runs is notorious for their garbage product. I have a uncle who was a drunk who’d take any job he could actually get as a carpenter but the materials Menard provided to build a subdivision were so substandard he walked away from it. Others didn’t and those crappy houses are still being rented as they fall apart around people. On another occasion John Menard tried to kill my FiL by running him over because Ed was a United Brotherhood of Carpenters organizer. This was in front of the Eau Claire county sheriff but nothing came of it - Johnny’s too powerful. Another time a high tech firms new factory was persuaded to not have decent wages by him (“Nice place here. Pity if something happened to it”) .

I could go on but the fact is there is no decent mass market lumber yard. Find a small locally owned lumber yard & hardware store and patronize them instead. Every dollar not spent at Menard’s/Home Depot/Lowe’s improves the world.

Jeebus. I knew John Menard and his family were right wingers but that takes the cake. Fortunately I don’t shop at the chain, don’t have a need to. (I won’t take back my thoughts on Sprecher, though.)

One other thing about Wisconsin that’s very cool is illustrator/writer SE Case. She produced a very emotional webcomic Cheap Thrills (cheapthrills.xepher.net) and recently rebooted it as Rigsby, WI (rigsbywi.com). Her writing is amazing.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:30:54pm
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:34:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:35:48pm

re: #348 Dave In Austin

UCLA…..

Gymnasts name is Katelyn Ohashi.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:36:00pm

re: #335 Dave In Austin

WTF is this??

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That is the new GOP talking points. I posted this morning an email from John Ratcliffe, my representative up here in Rockwall:

As President Trump said in his address to our nation this week, there is only one reason our government remains shut down: the Democrats’ stubborn refusal to fund much-need border security.

In response to the President’s call for Democrats to stop playing politics with America’s safety, Nancy Pelosi declared that the crisis at our Southern Border is “manufactured.” But the facts speak otherwise:

2,000 inadmissible migrants arrive at the border every day

Our immigration courts have a backlog of over 800,000 cases

ICE has arrested 260,000 aliens with criminal records in the last two years, including aliens charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, nearly 300,000 sex crimes and 4,000 violent killings

90 percent of heroin in our country is flowing across our Southern Border, causing the death of 300 Americans each week

DHS has seen an over 100-percent increase in fraudulent family units at the Southern border in the last two months - about nine per day

In 2006, 26 Senate Democrats - including then-Sen. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer - all voted to allocate $50 billion over 25 years for 700 miles of fencing along the border. And in 2009, Chuck Schumer said, “Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.”

But today, Democrats are committed to opposing President Trump at every turn, even if it means abandoning their obligation as lawmakers to ensure the security of our country.

As the border funding battles wage on, I’ve voted to ensure back pay for all our dedicated public servants who have unjustly been put out of work thanks to political games, and I have requested for my own pay to be withheld until the shutdown ends.

You can count on me to remain committed to ensuring our law enforcement professionals and border agents with the resources they’ve requested - including a physical barrier - so they can properly perform their mission to protect us from the criminal gangs, drug smugglers and human traffickers seeping into our country.

It’s based on Trump’s talking points from a few days ago.

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William Lewis  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:36:15pm

re: #349 Myron Falwell

Jeebus. I knew John Menard and his family were right wingers but that takes the cake. Fortunately I don’t shop at the chain, don’t have a need to. (I won’t take back my thoughts on Sprecher, though.)

One other thing about Wisconsin that’s very cool is illustrator/writer SE Case. She produced a very emotional webcomic Cheap Thrills (cheapthrills.xepher.net) and recently rebooted it as Rigsby, WI (rigsbywi.com). Her writing is amazing.

Heh. Glanced at the first page of Risby and scared the cat with my laugh - I saw an eagle nomming on road kill deer just the other day. People do forget they’ll happily scrounge carrion.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:39:01pm

re: #354 William Lewis

Heh. Glanced at the first page of Risby and scared the cat with my laugh - I saw an eagle nomming on road kill deer just the other day. People do forget they’ll happily scrounge carrion.

Just a more regal looking vulture.

(Do prefer fish, of course!)

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cat-tikvah  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:42:07pm

re: #202 PhillyPretzel

This is the first protest sign I made after the 2016 election. It debuted when the GOP came to Philly a few weeks after the inauguration.
I think I nailed it.

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mmmirele  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:54:36pm

re: #345 MsJ

Who is that? That was amazing!

Katelyn Ohashi of UCLA.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 13, 2019 • 8:59:57pm

re: #354 William Lewis

Heh. Glanced at the first page of Risby and scared the cat with my laugh - I saw an eagle nomming on road kill deer just the other day. People do forget they’ll happily scrounge carrion.

Heheh. It’s why I love her work… it’s far from pretty, but that’s the point. A lot of the characters have terribly flawed lives. She couldn’t have picked a better introductory page.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 13, 2019 • 9:48:39pm

re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg

Gymnasts name is Katelyn Ohashi.

She’s amazing. I found this profile of her come-back from major surgery.

lennyletter.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2019 • 2:52:39am

re: #312 ObserverArt

I like coleslaw too, especially coarse and tangy and not too much dressing.

Tulsi Gabbard is fine shredded tasteless watery glop.

made with plain mayonnaise


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