New From Neil Finn: “Find Your Way Back Home” (Feat. Stevie Nicks & Christine McVie)

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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:44:12pm

Fuck Fuck fuck Trump!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:45:27pm

Pmurt Kcuf.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:46:17pm

AD: Lindsey Graham Loves Joe Biden

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:46:29pm
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gwangung  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:47:09pm

Fuck Trump.

Plain and simple.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:48:18pm

Is this typical rhetoric coming out of North Korea or has Trump emboldened the Jongs?

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — The powerful sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un threatened military action against South Korea as she bashed Seoul on Saturday over declining bilateral relations and its inability to stop activists from floating anti-Pyongyang leaflets across the border.

Describing South Korea as an “enemy,” Kim Yo Jong repeated an earlier threat she had made by saying Seoul will soon witness the collapse of a “useless” inter-Korean liaison office in the border town of Kaesong.

Kim, who is first vice department director of the ruling Workers’ Party’s Central Committee, said she would leave it to North Korea’s military leaders to carry out the next step of retaliation against the South.
…
Kim’s harsh rhetoric demonstrates her elevated status in North Korea’s leadership. Already seen as the most powerful woman in the country and her brother’s closest confidant, state media recently confirmed that she is now in charge of relations with South Korea.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:49:19pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

I am surprised that Lindsey Graham did a commercial for Joe. That does not change my mind I am still voting for Joe.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:52:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:53:34pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:54:47pm

Just imagine for a moment how fucking hysterical the media would be going right now if Joe had the sort of public appearance Donny had today, between needing two hands to hold a glass of water, giving a garbled speech (and I don’t mean the “uhs” that Berners insist are a sign of dementia), and the shuffling walk down a ramp. They’d be demanding to see copies of his health records tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 4:59:17pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:01:11pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

I’ll assume that the off-camera narration in the last third of that video was something he said four years ago and not something he’s said recently. It’s a good add to have around but I don’t really care what Graham has to say about anything anymore.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:03:59pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:05:46pm

Secret Service finally admitted they pepper sprayed the church protesters. Soon they’ll admit to the gas too. Count on it.

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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:05:52pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ryan C. Hermens
✔
@ryanhermens
Jefferson Davis leaving the Kentucky state Capitol.

Na Na Na Na Hey Hey-ey Goodbye

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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:08:35pm

It’s an ad from a republican group.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:10:36pm

London

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danarchy  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:12:47pm

Trumps been doing the 2 handed water drinking for years, there are youtube videos mocking him for it going back to pretty much the start of his term, so I don’t know what it is, but it definitely isn’t some kind of new symptom, he has always been a weirdo.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:19:26pm
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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:19:30pm

re: #13 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Rockwall has started offering testing to anyone who schedules an appointment. They were being done at the largest church in the city.

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Cheechako  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:21:07pm

And the wave is getting steeper:

29 more Alaskans test positive for virus in highest daily count yet as active cases continue to rise

(The wave graph I have been posting is in the article.)

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plansbandc  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:24:07pm

Holy crap I LOVE Neil Finn. Thanks Charles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:26:40pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:32:51pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie? Bernie?? Bernie??
//

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:34:09pm

All-stars. Great song/video. TY.

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gwangung  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:35:01pm

re: #24 Sherlock Hound

Bernie? Bernie?? Bernie??
//

Exactly. He didn’t say much to the press while the harassment was going on.

Shoulda said her name, Bernie. Kiah Morris.

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plansbandc  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:35:04pm

Strange Jane

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:39:23pm

More Agitated White Men With Bats And Sticks
sounds like a Talking Heads album.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:39:58pm

Charles, Raw Story used one of your tweets.

rawstory.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:40:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:44:25pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:46:13pm

re: #28 jaunte

[Embedded content]

More Agitated White Men With Bats And Sticks
sounds like a Talking Heads album.

Talking Butts.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:47:09pm

re: #32 stpaulbear

I don’t believe any of these guys gives a shit about Columbus. They just want to brawl.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:48:57pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:55:59pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2020 • 5:56:51pm

Trained, unarmed professionals will respond to non-criminal calls instead of police, San Francisco mayor says

I have said in the past that every cop car should have a defense attorney in it. This is encouraging.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:00:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:01:22pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:01:53pm

I don’t know if this has been posted (though I promise I skimmed the last thread):

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:03:12pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:07:47pm

re: #33 jaunte

I don’t believe any of these guys gives a shit about Columbus. They just want to brawl.

Or deep down, to their very cores, they really are controlled by Cleek’s Law.

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gwangung  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:08:09pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You’re not the boss of me; I’ll do what I please, even if it kills me.”

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:09:24pm

re: #39 Barefoot Grin

I did, but it can be reposted.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:09:35pm

It was good to be away from the computer today. I was thinking about the thread where a couple of folks talked about warming up for famous or soon-to-be famous bands. I have no such claims.

A band called Combo Audio from my hometown had a minor hit with a song called “Romanticide.” They wanted to do an all ages show and so reached out to us to warm up. They gave us “$20 apiece and you can get free cokes.” We had about 250-300 high school kids show up. Most of them left after we were done. Combo Audio got the door, which was a lot. But they got no new fans.

We warmed up a lot for our friends’ band The Vertebrats. They weren’t really famous, but they had a song on one of those “Battle of the Bands” albums [“Left in the Dark” was the song] that got covered by Uncle Tupelo, The Replacements, Courtney Love, and a grunge band called Screaming Trees. That’s as close as I can come to saying we warmed up for anyone with name recognition.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:10:28pm

re: #43 Belafon

I did, but it can be reposted.

So much of this shit is going on that I feel hopeless that cops will ever be held to account.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:17:52pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:20:20pm

So the polling is very good.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:20:32pm
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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:20:54pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:22:43pm

re: #45 Barefoot Grin

So much of this shit is going on that I feel hopeless that cops will ever be held to account.

That’s why the protests have to continue, and why people have to keep pushing for changes.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:25:11pm

re: #49 lawhawk

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The media reports on what he says and does, how awful. Meanwhile Fox actually posts doctored photos and a post using a Monty Python reference as proof of radical anarchists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:25:47pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:26:11pm

re: #50 Belafon

Since the system itself is allowing for this shit to happen, the only accountability is going to come from the People not letting any of this shit slide. Community policing works and we need to demand it. And fuck all the damned military surplus equipment being given to departments nationwide. Enough.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:29:46pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Good God that’s a terrible take.

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Unabogie  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:33:35pm

re: #49 lawhawk

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Tax money doesn’t fund “the media” anyway. What’s there to defund?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:33:46pm

re: #49 lawhawk

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Defund the media? Cool.

So about that two bucks a month my cable company coerces me into giving them to send to Fox News….?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:34:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:34:46pm

In Virginia

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:39:09pm

re: #48 lawhawk

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Any Democrat is going to be widely disliked because Republicans will not like a Democrat. They need to get over using that line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:41:09pm

Narrator’s Voice: He never does

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Thanos  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:44:35pm
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Thanos  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:50:29pm

and this…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:51:13pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Anyone else just a bit fucking exhausted by Rick Wilson shit-talking the people he doled easily-digestable pap to for decades?

Admittedly I circle around this statement a great deal, but…there’s a kind of confession here. These were the people he used to market to, that he now characterizes as illiterate and malformed.

It’s almost like his skillset is selling to people by using lowest-common-denominator bullshit that tingles their primal identity circuits, and it’s almost like there’s some kind of link between a decade of people consuming this shit and, say, the entire “our feelings are facts” movement that’s fucking us all up….

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:52:12pm

So, I mailed out our NJ primary ballot yesterday. Sorry I don’t get the sticker. Not sorry that I am avoiding voting in person due to covid19 and knowing that there’s still a pandemic here.

I see signs of people letting their guard down all around, and it’s going to get us right back into lockdown mode even as the right wing lunatics claim that there’s no reason not to let a whole bunch of folks die so that they can get haircuts, go to bars, or otherwise engage in frivolous activities while essential workers are facing a daily risk of people who aren’t following protocols.

We’re going to hear about how AZ hospitals are maxing out capacity.

Most of the nation is trending poorly. All those fucking know nothing GOPers are hoping no one notices the bodies - the dead bodies - piling up and hospitals filling up, even in places that had things contained. AZ ICU units are nearing capacity. Cases are way up, and people are acting as though this is over?

We’re not even through the first wave, and it’s already too much of a burden to wear masks?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 13, 2020 • 6:54:15pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Molly Jong-Fast -
Aliens are going to be so disappointed when they see how stupid we are.

Plan 9: Your Stupid Minds!

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:00:43pm
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Mattand  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:02:10pm

re: #33 jaunte

I don’t believe any of these guys gives a shit about Columbus. They just want to brawl.

No, this is South Philly. They absolutely worship the guy. The city had to rename a huge stretch of Delaware Avenue (the street that was named for the river it’s run next to for like 300 years) for Columbus.

These guys are already hot from the both Rizzo statue and wall mural being taken down. They absolutely want this fight, and the police are going to let it happen.

On a personal note, I’m dreading dealing with my brother’s in-laws at the next gathering at his house. I’m probably going to get punched.

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plansbandc  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:04:41pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

I agree completely, don’t trust him at all. But if the thing he does with the Lincoln Project gets that orange piece of shit out of the White House, I’m good.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:06:22pm
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Mattand  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:11:00pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

Anyone else just a bit fucking exhausted by Rick Wilson shit-talking the people he doled easily-digestable pap to for decades?

Admittedly I circle around this statement a great deal, but…there’s a kind of confession here. These were the people he used to market to, that he now characterizes as illiterate and malformed.

It’s almost like his skillset is selling to people by using lowest-common-denominator bullshit that tingles their primal identity circuits, and it’s almost like there’s some kind of link between a decade of people consuming this shit and, say, the entire “our feelings are facts” movement that’s fucking us all up….

I’m like that with a lot these people. Shit, I still roll my eyes every time Rachel Maddow gushes over what a perfect human being Nicolle Wallace is.

I know “The enemy of my enemy” and all that, but I’m like “You fuckers helped create this environment, and very few of you own up to it.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:11:48pm

He needs a list of countries without extradition treaties.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:13:39pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Just imagine for a moment how fucking hysterical the media would be going right now if Joe had the sort of public appearance Donny had today, between needing two hands to hold a glass of water, giving a garbled speech (and I don’t mean the “uhs” that Berners insist are a sign of dementia), and the shuffling walk down a ramp. They’d be demanding to see copies of his health records tonight.

For a long while, I had problems walking downstairs because of certain vision problems that finally were resolved after my final cataract surgery (took awhile to get both eyes done). We know that Trump is too vain to wear glasses in public. Maybe this just reflected eyesight issues.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:16:21pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:20:30pm

Sigh.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:26:21pm

Our brother is going with a new RW talking point that Floyd’s murder was not racially motivated at all: Derek Chauvin and George Floyd knew each other from their prior work history at the bar; Floyd was aware Chauvin was a dirty cop working for drug dealers. Out of concern that Floyd was going to snitch on him, Chauvin killed him out of a totally non-racist motivation

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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:26:37pm
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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:27:25pm

CYNDI LAUPER　Strawberry Fields Forever

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:29:22pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:30:04pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

Our brother is going with a new RW talking point that Floyd’s murder was not racially motivated at all: Derek Chauvin and George Floyd knew each other from their prior work history at the bar; Floyd was aware Chauvin was a dirty cop working for drug dealers. Out of concern that Floyd was going to snitch on him, Chauvin killed him out of a totally non-racist motivation

So what? He still murdered him.

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:36:05pm

Disabled people get nervous when illness is mentioned on Twitter. My eyesight frequently betrays me on steps. I will never go down a flight of stairs without looking like an old man. (That said, I DO think Trump is Not Well.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:36:52pm

re: #79 Patricia Kayden

So what? He still murdered him.

Yes — but our brother doesn’t believe racism is a problem, especially among police departments. Our brother does not object to Chauvin’s arrest for murder, but I think he is trying to claim there is no justification for the protests.

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plansbandc  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:38:11pm

re: #77 BigPapa

Just lovely. Thank you for posting this.

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Thanos  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:40:28pm

Hey Charles - your site is still showing as not secure, this am mine was as well, I put in a ticket and Annette fixed by “regenerating the certificate” - you might give it a try.

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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:40:50pm

re: #82 plansbandc

Just lovely. Thank you for posting this.

Cyndi snuck up on me hard. She’s a fucking queen.

These dudes are gonna age in her relative trajectory. Listen to this a few times before you watch it.

alt-J - Hunger Of The Pine (Official Video)

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:41:16pm
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calochortus  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:42:19pm

Good evening fellow lizards.

Trying to get caught up here after a busy, but at least modestly productive, day.
I’m replacing the (25 year old) carpet in the walk out basement with carpet tiles. Unfortunately because it’s on concrete, the old carpet was stuck down with mastic, which I now get to remove. Also there is too much stuff in that room and it is 12’ x 24’ so there’s a lot of floor to deal with and a lot of stuff to work around.
Considering my age and general level of arthritis I’m allotting about 10 days to this particular project and hoping I don’t hurt myself. Why am I doing this? I’m not sure. I guess shelter-in-place has affected my judgement.

I also (finally) cut Mr. C’s hair. Which didn’t come out too badly, if I do say so myself. I didn’t cut it really short because a short bad haircut looks worse than a somewhat longer bad haircut and I can do this again if I need to.

How goes the revolution?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:49:50pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

Really? People have the right to protest in this country. Perhaps he should move to Russia or some other country where protests are illegal. Was he upset when Rightwingers protested to reopen salons? Or is he just upset when Black people protest?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:50:30pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 13, 2020 • 7:51:48pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:01:14pm

re: #87 Patricia Kayden

Really? People have the right to protest in this country. Perhaps he should move to Russia or some other country where protests are illegal. Was he upset when Rightwingers protested to reopen salons? Or is he just upset when Black people protest?

He’s upset if Democrats protest. He was fine with the militia protesting Governor Whitmer, and tried repeatedly to tell us how terrible she was. He worships Trump and disparages anyone who criticizes him. The one issue on which he doesn’t fully follow Trump is the pandemic — he has been absolutely fanatic about wearing a mask and gloves, but then his state opened and he is fine with dining out and visiting the gym.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:02:53pm

re: #80 Sherlock Hound

I understand that, but it’s perfectly valid to question if the President is physically unwell since he’s showing signs, the administration hides it, and he’s the President.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:08:20pm

re: #76 Dave In Austin

TRIGGERED

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:10:57pm
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:13:59pm

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

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ummm…
who caused it?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:14:09pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

TRIGGERED

[Embedded content]

That can’t possibly be real, can it? Haha, who cares!

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Sherlock Hound  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:14:41pm

re: #91 Belafon

I understand that, but it’s perfectly valid to question if the President is physically unwell since he’s showing signs, the administration hides it, and he’s the President.

I’m not arguing on that point. I’m not sure he even makes the debates, let alone November. It’s that I’m sensitized to a lot of Berners who make fun of ANY disability. I don’t want any of that spilling on me or my friends!
(But no fear, I won’t piss on him if he’s in flames…)

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gwangung  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:15:44pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — but our brother doesn’t believe racism is a problem, especially among police departments. Our brother does not object to Chauvin’s arrest for murder, but I think he is trying to claim there is no justification for the protests.

Who should I believe? Him or my lying eyes?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:15:46pm
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:15:49pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

TRIGGERED

[Embedded content]

it was long and steep
and miles to go before I slipped

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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:16:18pm

re: #93 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trayvon’s mom is running for office I think. In Miami Dade county if I remember right. I hope she wins. If anyone deserves a seat at the table, she does.

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Jay C  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:16:25pm

re: #91 Belafon

I understand that, but it’s perfectly valid to question if the President is physically unwell since he’s showing signs, the administration hides it, and he’s the President.

Hiding Presidential ailments from the public is a longstanding tradition: Cleveland and
Wilson come to mind from the olden times, Kennedy more recently: the thing is that nowadays Presidents tend to live their lives under pretty much constant exposure ( especially a narcissistic camera hog like Trump): that this guy has had -and still has - some fairly obvious health problems ought to be glaringly apparent. Yet the WH and it’s creatures keep bullshitting them over, and the media keeps itself incurious. Which, somehow, I don’t think they would have with President Hillary Clinton: I’m guessing they would have kept up the campaign BS of treating every sniffle as a sign she was at Death’s door…..

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:16:42pm
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Jay C  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:18:38pm

re: #99 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

it was long and steep
and miles to go before I slipped

[Embedded content]

Wow.
SOMEBODY is sensitive, aren’t they…..?

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:19:12pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:19:49pm

re: #97 gwangung

Who should I believe? Him or my lying eyes?

If it weren’t for COVID, my sister and I would have joined the protests. But we are still avoiding contact with others. It does appear that it’s a lot safer being outside, especially wearing a mask, but for now we aren’t taking any chances.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:20:29pm
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calochortus  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:21:46pm

re: #103 Jay C

Wow.
SOMEBODY is sensitive, aren’t they…..?

Also he wasn’t just walking carefully. You’d take little steps for that. He sort of lurched down with more weight falling IIRC his left side than his right.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:22:12pm
“Final ten feet I ran down to level ground.”

Nothing like compounding the lie with a laughable fantasy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:22:25pm
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Jay C  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:25:43pm

re: #108 jaunte

Nothing like compounding the lie with a laughable fantasy.

You’d think after 3-1/2 years, we’d be used to it..

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:25:43pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:27:18pm

Why is “fall” in quotation marks? Don’t answer that. It’s like asking why he randomly capitalizes words.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:27:23pm

re: #96 Sherlock Hound

I’m not arguing on that point. I’m not sure he even makes the debates, let alone November. It’s that I’m sensitized to a lot of Berners who make fun of ANY disability. I don’t want any of that spilling on me or my friends!
(But no fear, I won’t piss on him if he’s in flames…)

I doubt we’d be bringing it up if he weren’t an asshole.

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:27:53pm

re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — but our brother doesn’t believe racism is a problem, especially among police departments. Our brother does not object to Chauvin’s arrest for murder, but I think he is trying to claim there is no justification for the protests.

Even if the murder were for totally non-racist reasons (assumes facts not in evidence), even if that were true, Chauvin still counted on racism to shield him from punishment.

If I were to want to murder somebody, for any reason, it certainly wouldn’t be in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses (at least one of whom I was well aware was filming it).

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:30:04pm

re: #88 Patricia Kayden

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JACINDA FOR THE WIN!!!

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:30:23pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:31:54pm
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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:32:39pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:32:57pm

This Lincoln Project gif is so pervy that I thought about putting it in a private tag.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:33:30pm

“And then a big tough marine came out of the crowd, huge muscles like you’ve never seen and well probably won’t be seen again, and he broke into tears and he said, ‘I eat children for breakfast—immigrant children, of course—and even I cannot descend this ramp alone; let’s do it together’ and then I guided him down the steep, slippery ramp; and at the bottom he offered to commit seppuku, but I said, ‘no, we need immigrant-eating men like you!’”

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:34:43pm

re: #114 Belafon

I doubt we’d be bringing it up if he weren’t an asshole.

I should amend that: I doubt we’d be bringing it up if they weren’t trying to use a similar argument against Biden.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:36:49pm

re: #120 stpaulbear

This Lincoln Project gif is so pervy that I thought about putting it in a private tag.

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WTF is that oozing out of his nose?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:38:20pm

Ramp 1, Trump 0.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:39:03pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:40:14pm

Sorry Eclectic Cyborg, had to steal it.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:40:53pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Ramp 1, Trump 0.

Trump, involved in a forgettable minor skirmish with an inclined plane and his ego, makes sure the world knows who won.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:43:49pm

re: #115 sagehen

Even if the murder were for totally non-racist reasons (assumes facts not in evidence), even if that were true, Chauvin still counted on racism to shield him from punishment.

If I were to want to murder somebody, for any reason, it certainly wouldn’t be in broad daylight in front of dozens of witnesses (at least one of whom I was well aware was filming it).

Police have routinely escaped their deserved punishment for killing of unarmed civilians, especially people of color, even when there was unambiguous evidence of their guilt. Chauvin thought this would be no different.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:47:13pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

Dude is going to need to be in solitary in prison. Unless the Arayan Brotherhood or the Klan watch over him in prison. I hope every single day of the rest of his miserable life is full of the same level of fear he inflicted on George Floyd.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:48:17pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:49:13pm
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A Mom Anon  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:54:22pm

re: #130 Dread Pirate

The damn things are steel that’s coated in rubber. How is that better? And what sadistic fuck came up with that shit?

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2020 • 8:56:36pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:05:41pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:08:49pm

The police chief resigned and locals burned down the Wendy’s where this happened. Too bad about Wendy’s, it was hardly their fault, but people have well and truly had enough of these atrocities.

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EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:09:46pm

Trump vs. the Great Ramp of 2020 could be spun as the greatest US military victory since WWII to a depressingly high fraction of Trump worshippers.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:11:22pm

Dude.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:12:11pm

re: #121 Barefoot Grin

“And then a big tough marine came out of the crowd, huge muscles like you’ve never seen and well probably won’t be seen again, and he broke into tears and he said, ‘I eat children for breakfast—immigrant children, of course—and even I cannot descend this ramp alone; let’s do it together’ and then I guided him down the steep, slippery ramp; and at the bottom he offered to commit seppuku, but I said, ‘no, we need immigrant-eating men like you!’”

Edited for 280 characters. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:13:20pm

?

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austin_blue  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:13:24pm

re: #67 Mattand

No, this is South Philly. They absolutely worship the guy. The city had to rename a huge stretch of Delaware Avenue (the street that was named for the river it’s run next to for like 300 years) for Columbus.

These guys are already hot from the both Rizzo statue and wall mural being taken down. They absolutely want this fight, and the police are going to let it happen.

On a personal note, I’m dreading dealing with my brother’s in-laws at the next gathering at his house. I’m probably going to get punched.

Again, put him in a beige trench coat and call him Columbo.

Easy peasy.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:13:48pm
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CleverToad  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:14:07pm

re: #80 Sherlock Hound

Disabled people get nervous when illness is mentioned on Twitter. My eyesight frequently betrays me on steps. I will never go down a flight of stairs without looking like an old man. (That said, I DO think Trump is Not Well.)

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Can understand that, SH. I’m not disabled, but walking with a cane when I go outside these days because I don’t trust my arthritic knees. I could get inch down a ramp at that angle without a cane and with no guard rail — I think! — but I’d sure be watching every step of the way and breathing easier once I got to level ground. I really can’t fault an old man with lifts in his shoes for being cautious on that descent. I’m just rolling my eyes at the vain old man who just HAD to tweet back at the news coverage.

I’m a bit uncomfortable with armchair diagnoses of public figures, though it’s hard not to with Trump’s traveling symptom band putting on such an unnerving show. But it’s amazing how Trump and his minions are missing their chance! Many people have medical issues, as many here can attest. They have mini-strokes; they have cataracts; they have balance problems; they have sore knees and frozen shoulders and numerous ills to which the flesh is heir. If the idiots at the White House told us “Trump has ___ and it affects his balance/vision/etc,” many people would wince in sympathy and brush off physical quirks like stairs and stance — and thereby give them more leeway in obscuring the mental oddities. Maybe it’s just as well his fragile ego wouldn’t stand for that.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:40:30pm
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cat-tikvah  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:40:59pm

re: #70 Mattand

I say “the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy but we may have common cause”.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:46:35pm
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austin_blue  Jun 13, 2020 • 9:49:40pm

re: #144 cat-tikvah

I say “the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy but we may have common cause”.

Yes, but in one-on-one meetings, never EVER take your eyes off his hands.

Or you may very well be dead.

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:17:07pm
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sagehen  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:17:17pm

re: #144 cat-tikvah

I say “the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy but we may have common cause”.

If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.

—Winston Churchill

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:31:33pm

re: #76 Dave In Austin

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:31:34pm

Looking west to San Francisco the clouds seem to be trying to form into lenticular clouds.

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SerialUpDinger  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:32:30pm

Plummers Mariposa Lily - Calochortus plummerae

Re-watched the movie Spotlight. Damn, there are a lot of bad people protecting just as bad people wherever humans hold power over others. If I was not finding solace in nature, I might have to take up drinking……

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:39:45pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:40:41pm

AI/DC: I made a bot write an AC/DC song

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:44:47pm

Meanwhile in Michigan:

People gathered near Grand Rapids to burn letters informing them that they can vote by absentee ballot in future elections.

The applications were burned Friday during an event called Operation Incinerator outside the DeltaPlex in Walker.

Many people had flags, shirts and signs showing support for President Donald Trump and Republicans.

wzzm13.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

Ladies and gentlemen, people of all ages, I give you peak Trumpism - burning your absentee ballot applications to own the libs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:46:35pm

re: #152 Dread Pirate

The dude who owns the Delaware house is named Zappa. Wild.

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aatharuv  Jun 13, 2020 • 10:48:58pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile in Michigan:

wzzm13.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

Ladies and gentlemen, people of all ages, I give you peak Trumpism - burning your absentee ballot applications to own the libs.

That’ll reduce the chance of a Republican winning in the three way congressional race there, between the Republicans, Democrats, and Justin Amash (whose district includes Grand Rapids).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:04:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:19:02pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:30:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:34:01pm

… “The Harris County District Attorney, Kim Ogg, also said that due to her office’s examination of Mr. Floyd’s case it could expand a continuing investigation to examine more arrests made by Gerald Goines, who was charged with murder after a botched drug raid in 2019 in which two people were killed,” reported Erin Ailworth. “Mr. Goines — who also is charged with tampering with a government record by lying to obtain the search warrant that authorized the deadly 2019 raid — is the officer who arrested Mr. Floyd in 2004 over what Ms. Ogg described as a one-rock, $10 crack buy. Mr. Goines’s criminal case is pending. He has pleaded not guilty.” …

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:43:58pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:46:29pm

On my way to my favorite bread source, which has finally reopened, I took a route I don’t usually use and found another jacaranda tree. (The other one has a trunk about 20 degrees off the vertical and blooms mainly on one side, but this one looks much more ordinary.)

And here’s another purple flower:

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sagehen  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:52:55pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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It’s like the Russian nesting doll of police misconduct and injustice/harrassment of Mr Floyd.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:54:21pm
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sagehen  Jun 13, 2020 • 11:57:27pm

re: #162 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

On my way to my favorite bread source, which has finally reopened, I took a route I don’t usually use and found another jacaranda tree. (The other one has a trunk about 20 degrees off the vertical and blooms mainly on one side, but this one looks much more ordinary.)

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You’re coming to love them as much as I do, aren’t you? The most beautiful tree, and they smell good too.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:02:56am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:05:54am

hi

A likely Qnut stole a bulldozer in Cass County, Nebraska, and called the sheriff to stay out of his way, and to say he was going to the protests in Omaha to “tell the world” about “false information” the media and government are giving out.

Cass County man, accused of stealing bulldozer, says he was bound for Omaha to protest (Omaha World-Herald)

A Cass County man was arrested after he was accused of stealing a bulldozer from a construction site.

The driver, a 39-year-old man from rural Murray, called the Cass County 911 center just after 5:30 a.m. Friday and said he had obtained a bulldozer and was en route to Omaha to protest and deliver a message to the world about corruption and false information that he said the news media and the government are communicating.

The man warned everyone to stay out of his way, the Cass County Sheriff’s Office said.

The Sheriff’s Office was contacted at 6:55 a.m. and told that a bulldozer was driving in the grass shoulder off northbound U.S. Highway 75 near Rock Bluff Road.

Deputies tried to make contact with the man as he drove near the Plattsmouth Airport, but they weren’t successful, the Sheriff’s Office said. The man had fortified the inside of the bulldozer to protect himself and complicate efforts to get into the cab.

Authorities diverted the bulldozer onto a county roadway and reached the man on his cellphone, where they convinced him to stop and get out of the bulldozer, which had been stolen from a construction project in Murray.

The man was arrested in a soybean field about a half-mile south of Waverly Road near Highway 75.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:14:18am

President Trump being flooded with photos, drawings, and paintings of former President Obama, along with K-pop videos. I’m guessing he’s not going to have a good day on Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:16:50am
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Jay C  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:21:57am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

hi

A likely Qnut stole a bulldozer in Cass County, Nebraska, and called the sheriff to stay out of his way, and to say he was going to the protests in Omaha to “tell the world” about “false information” the media and government are giving out.

Cass County man, accused of stealing bulldozer, says he was bound for Omaha to protest (Omaha World-Herald)

At least the cops chasing the bulldozer guy knew he wasn’t going to be outrunning them….😜

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:22:06am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Today is his birthday.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:26:44am

Thread, twenty tweets from The New Yorker on the Utah tech companies which started up “Test Utah” for coronavirus, including interfering with public testing, getting the state health officer fired, and getting no-bid contracts for their inferior testing service in Iowa and Nebraska.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:51:43am

starherald.com

There is an article in the Scottsbluff Star-Herald which is a long interview with a family in rural Sioux County having to adjust to homeschooling their three girls.

The girls normally ride the bus sixty miles round trip every day, but the consolidated school in Harrison is closed due to Covid-19, with no sign of schools reopening here soon.

Rural Sioux County used to have one-room or two-room schools until the school district was consolidated a couple decades ago.

The same goes for my village, which consolidated its three-room high school in 1963 and its elementary school (K-8) in 2012 for thirty+ mile round trip bus rides.

If this goes on (with apologies to Robert Heinlein) then I can see rural villages and areas restarting schools to deal with the issue of education. The consolidated school model for rural areas to “save money” fails under a long-term strain like this.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:20:34am

Sure, dude. Trump pretty much shat all over that deal.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:21:23am

Oscar Peterson & Count Basie - Live In Prague

.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:22:29am
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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:28:54am

Boomtown Rats - Up All Night (1981)

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:29:13am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:06:46am

Poland ‘invades’ Czech Republic in ‘misunderstanding’ (BBC)

Poland has admitted to briefly invading the Czech Republic last month in what the Polish Defence Ministry described as a “misunderstanding”.

Polish troops guarding the frontier as part of coronavirus measures took up positions by a chapel on the Czech side of the border. They apparently stayed there for several days.

The soldiers prevented Czech visitors from accessing the site.

Czech authorities eventually intervened by contacting Warsaw.

The incident took place in north-eastern Moravia, in an area that forms part of the historical land of Silesia - part of which extends into today’s Czech Republic.

Poland has described the incident as a mistake, although the Czech Foreign Ministry has said it has yet to receive an official explanation.

Details follow in the article.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:08:47am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:14:41am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yeah, that story has been met with some bemusement in my area - it’s not too far from where that occurred. The Polish soldiers, according to local media, stated they had permission to enter Czech territory and establish a position inside the Czech Republic as the Polish side of the border was unsuitable for that.

Nonetheless, when the Czech police showed up and straight-up ordered them to leave, the Polish soldiers promptly complied.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:22:14am

Trump started touting a Harvard study repeated by FOX claiming the Covid-19 virus actually started circulating in Wuhan in August, rather than the reported December.

The BBC notes serious flaws in the non-peer reviewed study, which counted cars at six hospitals and highways in the area and increased searches for the Chinese word for “symptoms of diarrhorea” rather than the more common word “diarrhoea” on China’s platform Baidu.

The BBC fact-checked the claim after Baidu said the search for “diarrhoea” was actually lower during the period of the study, using Baidu’s search tools and found the Baidu clam to be correct.

Expect conservative parrots to start claiming the non-peer reviewed Harvard study is proof of a Chinese cover-up.

A lead author of the Harvard paper Benjamin Rader told the BBC that “the search term we chose for ‘diarrhoea’ was chosen because it was the best match for confirmed cases of Covid-19 and was suggested as a related search term to coronavirus”.

We also looked the popularity of searches for “fever” and “difficulty in breathing”, two other common symptoms of coronavirus.

Searches for “fever” increased a small amount after August at a similar rate to “cough”, and queries for “difficulty in breathing” decreased in the same period.

There have also been questions raised about the study using diarrhoea as an indicator of the disease.

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The question raised about diarrhoea is that it’s the seventh-most commonly reported symptom of the disease.

Fact-checking claims coronavirus might have started in August 2019

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:47:57am

Famous outtake… used in Pinky and The Brain, here’s the original:

Obscure Audio 2: Orson Welles Outtakes - Frozen Peas

I wonder what Orson would have thought of Trump. I’d love to hear Welles read a Trump speech.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:48:05am

FYI:

George Floyd Toxicology Report: Explained

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:49:38am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:50:02am

Coronavirus: Racism ‘could play a part in BAME Covid deaths’ (BBC)

TL;DR, the Conservative Party buried a report showing racism as a component in disease and deaths from coronavirus, along with resistance to gather better data based on race.

Coronavirus: ‘Scandal’ BAME review recommendations ‘buried’ (BBC, half an hour ago)

Earlier this morning, UK shadow justice secretary David Lammy told the Andrew Marr Show it was a “scandal” that the recommendations of a report on the impact of coronavirus on people in black, Asian and minority communities had been “buried”.

A leaked Public Health England draft report cited racism as a possible factor in why people of such backgrounds are at increased risk of dying of the virus.

Lammy told the Marr Show it was “horrifying” and accused the government of having “buried” recommendations from the report.

“It’s horrifying that at the moment, across this country, it’s hard to be black or Asian and not know someone, or someone who knows someone, who has died.

“I’ve lost an uncle. I’ve lost a classmate who died at 45 due to this terrible virus.

“The point is, it’s a scandal if one week Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock say ‘Black Lives Matter’ and then we find out today that they buried part of the review that had the recommendations in it to do something about it.”

He added: “Get on with it because people are dying every day and you said ‘Black Lives Matter’. It’s no wonder why people are upset.”

Chancellor Rishi Sunak said the report would be published next week.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:51:42am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:32:35am

Summer has arrived. A couple days ago it was down to near freezing. Right now it’s 62°F but will rise to 96°F.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:34:32am

Yesterday:

Small crowd of plague rats pictured.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:47:25am

Part of the problem of homeschooling during the pandemic is lack of Internet service (or the extreme cost) in rural areas of my state.

The Omaha Public School district is providing tens of thousands of iPads for students to connect to teachers and on-line resources.

Live out here though, you get this:

“I saw people online, on Facebook saying that their lives slowed down due to COVID, and I felt like ours just sped up,” Sheila said.

Without the family’s recent technology updates, an Internet connection would have been unlikely.

A couple of months prior to the school closures, the family had a signal booster installed to amplify 4G and 3G LTE signals and also got new Wi-Fi. After COVID-19 hit, the family’s Internet provider waived overage fees during the last few school months, which brought the family’s bill from about $400 to $257.

“If we didn’t have that booster, we wouldn’t have anything out here,” Sheila said.

Even with the booster, the Internet struggled to connect during the week when used by all three kids.

She lives in a more remote area than I do, as evidenced by her Internet provider’s bill (hers after the waivers is about 2/3 again as much as mine).

Internet access across Nebraska varies widely by community and families (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

With 2-year-old twins and their five siblings at home, Jessica Valdase has her hands full.

“It’s very busy,” the Omaha single mom said. “I feel like a cook, a cleaner, a teacher, a hairdresser — I’m everything.”

This spring she added another job title: Internet subscriber.

Forced by the pandemic to work at home, and having no Internet subscription, she bit the bullet and signed up in April.

It added a $69 bill to the monthly pile, stretching her already modest paycheck working as a device agent in a phone-related company, she said.

“That’s extra money out of the pocket,” Valdase said.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:59:10am

Seattle Seahawks’ Pete Carroll says team called him asking about Colin Kaepernick (The Oregonian)

Seattle Seahawks’ coach Pete Carroll revealed on Thursday that a team called him asking for information about Kaepernick. Carroll added that the call marked the first time a team had called him about the quarterback.

“After all of the time - the years that have past, I never received a phone call about him. I never talked to another head coach about him. I never talked to anybody about him, until today,” Carroll told reporters Thursday. “I got a phone call today - I won’t tell you who it was. I got a phone call today, asking and inquiring about the situation. I know somebody’s interested. We’ll see what happens with that.”

I am not a sportsball fan. That said, if Mr. Kaepernick can get back in the NFL, that would show another crack in the wall of Wingnuttia on racism.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:20:06am

Just going to drop this here.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick: Racism Won’t Stop Until We ‘Accept Jesus Christ’ (Huffington Post)

Another Christian bigot in power, using his office to promote his religious faith.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick on Wednesday night claimed that the root of America’s racial problems was the lack of faith by “the left.”

Speaking after more than a week of demonstrations against the police killing of George Floyd, a Black man in Minneapolis, Patrick tried to pin the nation’s long and deep-rooted racial problems on people not being religious enough ― and more specifically, “the left” not accepting Jesus Christ.

Patrick said on Fox News that Floyd’s killing and the unrest breaks his heart and that it’s an issue of “loving God.”

“You cannot love your fellow man if you don’t love God,” he said. “And we have a country where we’ve been working really hard, particularly on the left, to kick God out.”

Patrick also said laws can’t fix racism, only Jesus and God can:

“You cannot change the culture of a country until you change the character of mankind. And you can’t change that unless you change the heart, and for billions of us on the planet, we believe you can’t do that unless you accept Jesus Christ or unless you accept God. God has been left out of this equation through all of this and we need tremendous healing. We cannot heal through commissions and blue-ribbon panels and more laws.”

(more)

You can guess the FOX host interviewing him absolutely agrees with his assessment.

Polling shows that whilst you can find racists in any group, atheists score consistently the lowest in that category.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:22:25am

Photogallery here of some serious flooding in parts of the Czech Republic, owing to torrential rains.

idnes.cz

It’s pretty damn quiet where I am, though. Hot and muggy.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:29:23am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Photogallery here of some serious flooding in parts of the Czech Republic, owing to torrential rains.

idnes.cz

It’s pretty damn quiet where I am, though. Hot and muggy.

Too quiet…

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:30:21am

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Just going to drop this here.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick: Racism Won’t Stop Until We ‘Accept Jesus Christ’ (Huffington Post)

Another Christian bigot in power, using his office to promote his religious faith.

(more)

You can guess the FOX host interviewing him absolutely agrees with his assessment.

Polling shows that whilst you can find racists in any group, atheists score consistently the lowest in that category.

Meanwhile, the entire reason that Southern Baptism exists is because Southern “Christians” decided in the decades prior to the Civil War that when it came to a choice between Christ’s teachings and keeping fellow human beings in bondage, they supported the latter and came up with BS excuses for why Christ would be totally okay with it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:35:35am

re: #195 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the entire reason that Southern Baptism exists is because Southern “Christians” decided in the decades prior to the Civil War that when it came to a choice between Christ’s teachings and keeping fellow human beings in bondage, they supported the latter and came up with BS excuses for why Christ would be totally okay with it.

The Southern Baptists were the most vocal about it, but most Christian sects made the same split over slavery.

Dan Patrick apparently hasn’t read the Declaration of Causes from the State of Texas on why they seceded from the Union, with all its Bible citations.

Meanwhile, it isn’t just Republican wingnuts with their bigotry:

Catholic Brain Surgeon and Evolution Denier: “COVID-19 Is Atheism Gone Viral” (Friendly Atheist)

The coronavirus pandemic has occasioned a pandemic of another sort: anti-religious hate.

A bold claim — but not one that Egnor, in his piece, makes the slightest attempt to support. He’s too busy galloping to the task at hand: slandering unbelievers.

He is responding to a remark by Stephen Pinker. Pinker’s an asshat, but his observations about Christian bigotry are true.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:38:48am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Southern Baptists were the most vocal about it, but most Christian sects made the same split over slavery.

Dan Patrick apparently hasn’t read the Declaration of Causes from the State of Texas on why they seceded from the Union, with all it’s Bible citations.

Meanwhile, it isn’t just Republican wingnuts with their bigotry:

Catholic Brain Surgeon and Evolution Denier: “COVID-19 Is Atheism Gone Viral” (Friendly Atheist)

He is responding to a remark by Stephen Pinker. Pinker’s an asshat, but his observations about Christian bigotry are true.

It wouldn’t be a plague without Christians attacking heretics for not looking to Christ to save them from something that is easily addressed through basic common sense. Wear a mask and keep a distance from others? “Fuck that, I don’t wanna wear a mask or stay away from the bars, I’ll ask God to protect me!”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:50:01am

re: #197 Targetpractice

It wouldn’t be a plague without Christians attacking heretics for not looking to Christ to save them from something that is easily addressed through basic common sense. Wear a mask and keep a distance from others? “Fuck that, I don’t wanna wear a mask or stay away from the bars, I’ll ask God to protect me!”

And if God didn’t protect you, well you didn’t measure up.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that churches are sources of outbreaks which spread through the towns they are in, preachers of all faiths keep blaming their own parishioners’ lack of faith or the secular evils of the town they are in.

Last week the largest Catholic cathedral in Nebraska reopened (it isn’t just wingnut Fundamentalist churches spreading disease). I’m expecting a spike in cases in Omaha soon. (That wasn’t the only Catholic church: the Diocese of Omaha said all churches could open for normal Mass. The same goes for the authorities of every Protestant denomination in this state, and the Greek Orthodox as well.)

To the credit of our Lutheran Church here in town, they ignored the suggestions from their overseers and remain closed.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:56:57am

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night: Naan with a side of eggs.

Today’s breakfast of champions before I go to bed: Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 5:58:31am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And if God didn’t protect you, well you didn’t measure up.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that churches are sources of outbreaks which spread through the towns they are in, preachers of all faiths keep blaming their own parishioners’ lack of faith or the secular evils of the town they are in.

Last week the largest Catholic cathedral in Nebraska reopened (it isn’t just wingnut Fundamentalist churches spreading disease). I’m expecting a spike in cases in Omaha soon. (That wasn’t the only Catholic church: the Diocese of Omaha said all churches could open for normal Mass. The same goes for the authorities of every Protestant denomination in this state, and the Greek Orthodox as well.)

To the credit of our Lutheran Church here in town, they ignored the suggestions from their overseers and remain closed.

I never get tired of bringing up the church scene in The Stand (both the novel and miniseries), when the clean-up crew in Boulder have to clean out corpses from the pews. People dressed in the Sunday best, still lining the seats where they dropped dead while praying for salvation that never came. And the guy in charge of the clean-up remarking about how such scenes were common during the Black Death, as the faithful were told that only through prayer and supplication could they could be saved from death.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:00:48am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night: Naan with a side of eggs.

Today’s breakfast of champions before I go to bed: Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

Whoa, Nellie! Back up the stagecoach. Something ain’t right here….

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:05:37am

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

Our brother is going with a new RW talking point that Floyd’s murder was not racially motivated at all: Derek Chauvin and George Floyd knew each other from their prior work history at the bar; Floyd was aware Chauvin was a dirty cop working for drug dealers. Out of concern that Floyd was going to snitch on him, Chauvin killed him out of a totally non-racist motivation

that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. doesn’t mean it also wasn’t systemically racist that 4 cops were allowed to daylight lynch the guy in front of witnesses, who were yelling that they were killing him, and that it was only video evidence that convinced a reluctant prosecutor to reach down and discover that he actually had two stones, a spine, and at least a small degree of intestinal fortitude.

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:15:47am

Good morning!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:16:29am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night: Naan with a side of eggs.

Today’s breakfast of champions before I go to bed: Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

Sounds like something Fred Sanford would enjoy. 😄

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:17:43am

re: #201 Barefoot Grin

Whoa, Nellie! Back up the stagecoach. Something ain’t right here….

I frequently mix cheap wine with Kool-Aid to improve the flavour. I call it Wine+.

Moving on to one of my other hobby horses (instead of bigotry).

The CDC found that about 33% of African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans living under 200% of the poverty line, plus single, divorced, or had less than a high school diploma have not seen a neurologist about their active epilepsy.

Those who have access to neurologists are able to access treatments to suppress seizures.

The CDC noted that only 67% of all persons with active epilepsy (I fit in that category) have seen a neurologist in the last year. The most likely indicator of a person seeing a neurologist (and thus receiving treatment if it can be administered) is living in the Northeast, age 18-34, at least some college education, over age 65. Consequentially, those with the least chance of receiving treatment were the opposite of those, unemployed, or homeless.

As such, the Epilepsy Foundation is giving “mini-grants” ($10,000 or less) to applicants to help reach minority populations so they can access treatment which is not available to them.

Based on estimates from the CDC 2017 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report and 2018 Census Data, approximately 32% of African Americans and Hispanics are living with epilepsy [living with in this context means untreated rather than the total population], and 42% of all racial and ethnic populations combined are living with active epilepsy in America.

The Epilepsy Foundation wants to increase the community and clinical linkages between minority populations impacted by epilepsy and existing epilepsy resources, including self-management programs. The purpose of the Minority Outreach Mini-Grantee Program is to promote effective and impactful engagement with minority and racial and ethnic populations to increase awareness of epilepsy education and resources and link more diverse individuals living with epilepsy to care.

As such, EF is providing $100,000 for grants again this year.

The mini-grant application is due to Thometta Cozart no later than Friday, July 10, 2020, via email to tcozart@efa.org. If you have questions regarding the packet, please contact Multicultural Outreach Director Thometta Cozart MS, MPH, CHES, CPH at tcozart@efa.org.

Edited to add links.

epilepsy.com
cdc.gov

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:20:22am

re: #203 jeffreyw

That’s a big damn blue jay.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:20:38am

The new standard of success!!!! for the American president:

He brags that he didn’t fall down

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:24:29am

re: #147 Belafon

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well, that explains the last 3 months of the stock market. apparently the bull is covered for Wall Street Lent.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:25:18am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I frequently mix cheap wine with Kool-Aid to improve the flavour. I call it Wine+.

Moving on to one of my other hobby horses (instead of bigotry).

The CDC found that about 33% of African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans living under 200% of the poverty line, plus single, divorced, or had less than a high school diploma have not seen a neurologist about their active epilepsy.

Those who have access to neurologists are able to access treatments to suppress seizures.

The CDC noted that only 67% of all persons with active epilepsy (I fit in that category) have seen a neurologist in the last year. The most likely indicator of a person seeing a neurologist (and thus receiving treatment if it can be administered) is living in the Northeast, age 18-34, at least some college education, over age 65. Consequentially, those with the least chance of receiving treatment were the opposite of those, unemployed, or homeless.

As such, the Epilepsy Foundation is giving “mini-grants” ($10,000 or less) to applicants to help reach minority populations so they can access treatment which is not available to them.

As such, EF is providing $100,000 for grants again this year.

Edited to add links.

epilepsy.com
cdc.gov

My mom mixed vodka…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:27:11am

Trump’s “birth” day? The truth is out there:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:31:32am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

Dude. 🤢

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:33:34am

re: #211 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dude. 🤢

Don’t knock it until you try it.

I can’t afford the good stuff to mix with my Kool-Aid. /s

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Swampwitch  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:37:11am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Cherry Pucker is also good with koolaid. I prefer peach schnapps and coffee. For special occasions root beer schnapps and root beer.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:37:46am

YouTube

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:38:50am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Don’t knock it until you try it.

I can’t afford the good stuff to mix with my Kool-Aid. /s

It’s the Kool-Aid. That stuff is ghastly.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:40:12am

re: #213 Swampwitch

Cherry Pucker is also good with koolaid. I prefer peach schnapps and coffee. For special occasions root beer schnapps and root beer.

I’ve thought about trying sloe gin. It’s pretty good in Coca-Cola, so I suspect it will work in Kool-Aid as well.

I’m going to hit the rack. The sun has been up for awhile, and I’m way past my bedtime.

Catch y’all later. Don’t let the bastards get you down.

Sign on a gas station in Sidney, Nebraska near I-80
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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:41:09am

BOTA Box or Black Box, while not stellar, shouldn’t need improving, should be available pretty much anywhere, and within a budget.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:49:12am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

CBS News’ digital team are real slackers: Mark Knoller’s page says he’s covering the presidency of George W Bush, even though the last update page is, during Obama’s presidency.

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:52:47am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

That’s a big damn blue jay.

He’s showing his best side.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:56:00am

For those who can’t read it: Southpaw tweeted “Say what you will about Richard Nixon, at least he knew how to step down.”

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b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:59:00am

Good Morning Lizards

Let us not forget the true hero
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:01:08am

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

We were so not racist while the country was highly Christian. //

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NetworkKed  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:03:16am

re: #215 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It’s the Kool-Aid. That stuff is ghastly.

Eh, he’s just reinventing sangria. Bad, artificial, scary sangria, but I can imagine it tasting okay.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:04:56am

#happybirthdaytrump is trending and every tweet has a picture of Obama in it being a normal human being.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:06:48am

re: #118 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:11:38am

re: #217 BlueSpotinAL

BOTA Box or Black Box, while not stellar, shouldn’t need improving, should be available pretty much anywhere, and within a budget.

yeah, at worse it’s basically 5 bucks a bottle, with 4 bottles in the bag. And if you are a sam’s club member, it’s 15 bucks per box, which is pretty good.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:11:50am

re: #49 lawhawk

Defund the media? Excellent idea. Let’s start with Fox, which is the epicenter of agitprop and misinformation. Decades of lying to viewers. Let’s get at it.

Fox Newz isn’t even pretending to not be a propaganda outlet.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:23:14am

re: #223 NetworkKed

Eh, he’s just reinventing sangria. Bad, artificial, scary sangria, but I can imagine it tasting okay.

That brings back memories of when I met my wife. She liked to drink the pre-made Sangria. As the Virginia Slims ads used to say, you’ve come a long way baby!

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:26:26am

This whole thing about the ramp. Why was there a ramp in the first place? The whole stage was built for Trump. Trump obviously couldn’t handle the stairs. The problem is clearly with the right side. Note how he steps forward with the left leg, then brings the right up beside it.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:29:13am

Mandatory Happy Cooper Morning

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:31:42am

Original tweet worth reading, but this reply is: “Shouldn’t his name be Jefferson Beauregard Secessions.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:36:11am

re: #229 BlueSpotinAL

This whole thing about the ramp. Why was there a ramp in the first place? The whole stage was built for Trump. Trump obviously couldn’t handle the stairs. The problem is clearly with the right side. Note how he steps forward with the left leg, then brings the right up beside it.

I don’t think so. These a video of Obama and the ramp. He was jogging it. 🤣

And that’s what I saw, too. Trump couldn’t reach out with his right leg, he could only bring it to meet his left leg.

I feel really bad that people are uncomfortable with what they’re calling armchair doctoring, but this isn’t normal and he’s the POTUS and as citizens we should know.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:36:27am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night: Naan with a side of eggs.

Today’s breakfast of champions before I go to bed: Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

Did you lose your sense of taste? That’s a symptom of the COVID…

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:37:13am

In other news…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:37:21am

re: #233 The Pie Overlord!

Did you lose your sense of taste? That’s a symptom of the COVID…

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😭😭😭

How’s Z doing?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:38:07am

re: #231 BlueSpotinAL

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:43:12am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:51:03am

re: #235 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😭😭😭

How’s Z doing?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:53:23am

re: #238 The Pie Overlord!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:55:16am

re: #238 The Pie Overlord!

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:00:02am

re: #129 A Mom Anon

Dude is going to need to be in solitary in prison. Unless the Arayan Brotherhood or the Klan watch over him in prison. I hope every single day of the rest of his miserable life is full of the same level of fear he inflicted on George Floyd.

“No one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.”

— Nelson Mandela.

Treating Chauvin as badly as blacks are treated in the US may be poetic justice, but it is not justice.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:02:24am

re: #185 Dread Pirate

But wouldn’t have been easier just to build a carrier with steam catapults so they didn’t need all that silly, complicated, unreliable STOL nonsense?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:02:57am

re: #229 BlueSpotinAL

This whole thing about the ramp. Why was there a ramp in the first place? The whole stage was built for Trump. Trump obviously couldn’t handle the stairs. The problem is clearly with the right side. Note how he steps forward with the left leg, then brings the right up beside it.

Seems like he’s having difficulty extending his right leg.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:06:46am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

Seems like he’s having difficulty extending his right leg.

His entire right side is weak, as evidenced by his inability to even lift a glass of water to his lips.

Leaving aside his obvious mental decline, he’s got serious physical issues. Another reason to laugh when Red Hats look to this turd as some sort of super alpha male.

He’s an old man, and he’s falling apart. I hope voters will start paying attention to it.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:08:13am

re: #203 jeffreyw

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Western good morning!

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:08:30am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Part of the problem of homeschooling during the pandemic is lack of Internet service (or the extreme cost) in rural areas of my state.

As someone who was using internet services at quite reasonable costs five years ago on the Ivoirian/Liberian border I’d recommend that you investigate why it’s so difficult to do things in the US that can be done in poor African countries.

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:12:26am

So this came across my FB feed today. Not sure if it’s been posted but I thought it was worth sharing.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:13:24am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Today’s breakfast of champions before I go to bed: Pinot Nior (the really cheap stuff) mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

De Gustibus Non Disputandum Est and all that but, eewww..

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:14:17am

re: #246 John Hughes

As someone who was using internet services at quite reasonable costs five years ago on the Ivoirian/Liberian border I’d recommend that you investigate why it’s so difficult to do things in the US that can be done in poor African countries.

Corporate greed coupled with a lack of government subsidies that I would imagine that those African governments paid out to get that kind of service.

It wouldn’t be any more different than the Rural Electrification Program was but ‘Murican’s would rather waste money on F-35’s that the Republicans claim are going to keep the bad guys away.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:15:55am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yesterday:

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Small crowd of plague rats pictured.

But where are the rubber bullets and fucking tear gas?

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:18:43am

Here we go

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:20:32am

My wife was watching a morning news segment talking about Biden’s VP choice, and everyone’s list looked liked this:

Best chance to win: Harris
Most ready to be president: Warren
Best able to advance current causes: Abrams

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:20:33am

re: #241 John Hughes

While true, I’m not advocating he be beat up or tormented or in physical danger. Just afraid and anxious, what he did to others while free. And I seriously doubt for a second that George Floyd was his first victim. Only his last.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:21:18am

re: #226 steve_davis

yeah, at worse it’s basically 5 bucks a bottle, with 4 bottles in the bag. And if you are a sam’s club member, it’s 15 bucks per box, which is pretty good.

I’m paying 3-4 EUR for a 75ml bottle of mediocre AOC Bordeaux at LIDL. Maybe you should ask Trump to get rid of the tariffs?

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:21:50am

re: #251 nines09

Here we go

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The major sports leagues are all trying desperately to return to “normal” to coup some of their losses or avoid major losses in the latter half of the year, but the new reality is that “normal” means the very real possibility that one or more players could end up infected per game. And since it’s pretty much impossible to quarantine every team for 2 weeks between games, what you’re asking is for players to gamble with their lives every game.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:22:56am

re: #246 John Hughes

Corporate lobbyists and local monopolies in poor and rural areas is a huge part of this.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:26:12am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I’m a huge hockey fan and I find the NHL struggling to have a season this year insane. The NHL has players from AROUND THE WORLD.
But Gary Bettman is a dick, and the NHL is really their own worst enemy.

Philly Flyer Facts;
Things that cost the Flyers a Stanley Cup:
Martin Brodeur
Suspect reffing
Blown calls
Bad goal keeping
Various dynasties
Covid-19

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:28:40am

re: #252 Belafon

My wife was watching a morning news segment talking about Biden’s VP choice, and everyone’s list looked liked this:

Best chance to win: Harris
Most ready to be president: Warren
Best able to advance current causes: Abrams

What “current causes” do they view Abrams as being best able to advance? So far, what I’ve seen her advance most…is her campaign to be VP.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:30:14am

re: #234 Teukka

I’m glad to see that the Dutch prosecution still have a clear sense of justice.

But for me that will never wash away the craven actions of the Dutch electorate voting to block EU help for Ukraine after Dutch citizens were murdered by Russian proxies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:31:22am

re: #257 nines09

My thing is, the NHL wants to do this abbreviated 24 team playoff but they don’t even have full squads practicing on the ice yet which means the earliest we could see actual games would probably be late next month or early August. So if it’s August 8th and we’re just starting a 24 team playoff the end of this season is going to crash right into the next one and how the fuck is that going to work?

I know there’s a lot of money involved but for safety’s sake it’s probably better to scrap this season and just have no champion (which is what happened during the last major pandemic) then see about getting your shit together for the fall.

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LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:33:31am

Happy Flag Day.

Happy Flag Day
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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:35:04am

re: #245 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Western good morning!

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A pretty one!

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:36:52am

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

They’ve been yakking away since they shut the season down. For the half I think they are just trying to keep the NHL in the news.
Maybe they can bring back Don Cherry to weigh in….

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:36:52am

re: #65 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

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Video

that backhand slap was the proper counterargument there.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:37:01am

re: #246 John Hughes

As someone who was using internet services at quite reasonable costs five years ago on the Ivoirian/Liberian border I’d recommend that you investigate why it’s so difficult to do things in the US that can be done in poor African countries.

Profit Motive.

Not always bad, but when it gets tangled up with what we now consider necessities, it certainly can be.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:37:24am

re: #249 William Lewis

Corporate greed coupled with a lack of government subsidies that I would imagine that those African governments paid out to get that kind of service.

Nope, no way that the government of the Ivory Coast pays subsidies to mobile telephone companies, it’s the other way around, the mobile telephone companies pay big taxes to the government. The trick is competition — there are 3 or 4 (I forget) companies providing mobile telephone and internet services.

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gwangung  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:37:25am

re: #258 Targetpractice

What “current causes” do they view Abrams as being best able to advance? So far, what I’ve seen her advance most…is her campaign to be VP.

Being able to triple Democratic turnout from 2016 seems to me to be a decent accomplishment.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:37:45am

re: #258 Targetpractice

What “current causes” do they view Abrams as being best able to advance? So far, what I’ve seen her advance most…is her campaign to be VP.

She’s supposed to be very good working the room (in GA, across the aisle). Like “good” as in incredible.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:39:31am

It’s half past June and I need to drink as much of it up as I can.
Fuck Trump.
Fuck the GOP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:40:15am

Wait I thought Abrams had said she didn’t want the VP nom. Did she change her mind?

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:40:50am

re: #104 teleskiguy

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It was the longest, slipperiest ramp he’d ecountered since Stormy Daniels.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:42:11am

It’s his birthday and he is apparently celebrating by…shitposting on Twitter.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:42:49am

re: #254 John Hughes

Fuck, too much mediocre Bordeaux, that should be 75cl or 750ml.

75ml is a homeopathic dose.

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:43:02am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait I thought Abrams had said she didn’t want the VP nom. Did she change her mind?

I’m pretty sure she said she didn’t want to run for the senate but she’s been vocal about wanting to be VP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:44:27am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait I thought Abrams had said she didn’t want the VP nom. Did she change her mind?

She’s since changed her mind. I like her but going from a state legislature to VP is a big step. I’m fine with her either being DNC chair or maybe running against Kemp again. Mayor Bottoms is another Georgian that is being considered. I like Harris though. I think she’s the best asset to Biden both campaign wise- she recently helped raise a ton of money for Joe and I think she would be a great asset in office as well. AG wouldn’t be terrible but I actually prefer someone who isn’t a current elected official as AG.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:44:37am

re: #266 John Hughes

It’s competition - in Kenya, there’s four mobile providers: Safaricom, Faiba4G, Airtel Kenya and Telkom Kenya. Of them, Safaricom is the biggest.

But at least there’s competition.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:44:54am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s his birthday and he is apparently celebrating by…shitposting on Twitter.

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He also got it wrong in 2012. Fuck Michael Moore.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:45:44am

re: #268 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

She’s supposed to be very good working the room (in GA, across the aisle). Like “good” as in incredible.

I should point out that that was part of why Joe was brought on as VP in ‘08, the idea that he could use his decades of experience and good relations with his former Repub colleagues to crease the rails for Obama’s proposals. Whatever good will he had didn’t last a month before Repubs were actively working to sabotage every single effort by the new admin.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:45:48am

re: #261 LadyBehir

Back when we had a real man as President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:45:50am

All MM did was bitch that HRC wasn’t Bernie and he’s doing the same this time to Biden.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:46:07am

re: #263 nines09

They’ve been yakking away since they shut the season down. For the half I think they are just trying to keep the NHL in the news.
Maybe they can bring back Don Cherry to weigh in….

No.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:46:28am

re: #251 nines09

Here we go

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Factors could include how much money the season-ticket holder donates annually; how long they have had those tickets; and are they an alumnus or former letter winner.

And after those die, who’s next in line. Need longer term thinking here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:47:09am

re: #278 Targetpractice

I should point out that that was part of why Joe was brought on as VP in ‘08, the idea that he could use his decades of experience and good relations with his former Repub colleagues to crease the rails for Obama’s proposals. Whatever good will he had didn’t last a month before Repubs were actively working to sabotage every single effort by the new admin.

Plus I really think going from the state legislature to VP to an old president is a big step. As I said, maybe one day she’ll be in the federal executive branch but I don’t think right now.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:48:51am

The great thing about the women being considered. They all could still have roles. Duckworth might be good at DoD. Warren at Treasury. It’s not VP or bust for these women.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:49:06am

re: #275 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

She’s since changed her mind. I like her but going from a state legislature to VP is a big step. I’m fine with her either being DNC chair or maybe running against Kemp again. Mayor Bottoms is another Georgian that is being considered. I like Harris though. I think she’s the best asset to Biden both campaign wise- she recently helped raise a ton of money for Joe and I think she would be a great asset in office as well. AG wouldn’t be terrible but I actually prefer someone who isn’t a current elected official as AG.

I like Harris as VP and Klobuchar as AG. Warrren needs to stay in the Senate if only because if the Dems win a majority then she would be well-positioned to end up as a committee chair.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:49:11am
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Jay C  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:49:36am

re: #258 Targetpractice

re: #252 Belafon

My wife was watching a morning news segment talking about Biden’s VP choice, and everyone’s list looked liked this:

Best chance to win: Harris
Most ready to be president: Warren
Best able to advance current causes: Abrams

What “current causes” do they view Abrams as being best able to advance? So far, what I’ve seen her advance most…is her campaign to be VP.

I’m guessing “progressive causes in general” - and probably, in particular, voting-rights issues, for which Stacey Abrams likely has a personal grudge: She would probably be the incumbent Governor of Georgia today if not for (disgracefully legal) Republican vote-fuckery.

But anyway, does “best chance to win” mean “best chance to get the VP nom”? Or “best chance to boost the ticket to win in November”?
The latter HAS to be the one and only priority.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:50:37am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I like Harris as VP and Klobuchar as AG. Warrren needs to stay in the Senate if only because if the Dems win a majority then she would be well-positioned to end up as a committee chair Majority Leader.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:51:09am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I like Harris as VP and Klobuchar as AG. Warrren needs to stay in the Senate if only because if the Dems win a majority then she would be well-positioned to end up as a committee chair.

Agreed. I also like Sally Yates, Doug Jones should he lose, Preet Bharara for AG. Klobuchar I’d like to keep in the Senate and potential leadership. She’s great at passing bills.

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John Hughes  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:51:18am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

It’s competition - in Kenya, there’s four mobile providers: Safaricom, Faiba4G, Airtel Kenya and Telkom Kenya. Of them, Safaricom is the biggest.

But at least there’s competition.

Exactly. What America needs is capitalism, but it’s got corporatism.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:51:37am

re: #288 The Pie Overlord!

While that would be a dream scenario, wouldn’t Schumer be majority leader?

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:52:13am

re: #275 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

ll. AG wouldn’t be terrible but I actually prefer someone who isn’t a current elected official as AG.

Longshot guess (you heard it here first!) - Sally Yates.

ADD: oops, not first! re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:53:08am

re: #292 Jay C

Longshot guess (you heard it here first!) - Sally Yates.

Another Georgian. Man this is quite a roster.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:53:09am

re: #282 Eventual Carrion

Great opportunities for backup players.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:54:32am
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:54:35am

re: #286 Teukka

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I’m curious what the new miniseries adaptation of The Stand is going to look like. The novel was originally published in ‘78 with the events set in ‘80, before the “uncut” version was released in ‘90 with the events moved up to the same year. And the ABC miniseries came out in ‘94, which was before the Internet Boom, which meant most forms of news broadcast were still either TV or radio. So how a book written when computers were still largely the realm of business or hobbyists is updated to the Digital Age should be interesting.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:57:12am

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

My thing is, the NHL wants to do this abbreviated 24 team playoff but they don’t even have full squads practicing on the ice yet which means the earliest we could see actual games would probably be late next month or early August. So if it’s August 8th and we’re just starting a 24 team playoff the end of this season is going to crash right into the next one and how the fuck is that going to work?

I know there’s a lot of money involved but for safety’s sake it’s probably better to scrap this season and just have no champion (which is what happened during the last major pandemic) then see about getting your shit together for the fall.

I know I’ve seen commercials for a game/toy where people in big plastic bubbles run around the backyard bashing into each other. I’m sure we could make up rules for a professional sport based on that.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:57:18am

re: #287 Jay C

What “current causes” do they view Abrams as being best able to advance? So far, what I’ve seen her advance most…is her campaign to be VP.

I’m guessing “progressive causes in general” - and probably, in particular, voting-rights issues, for which Stacey Abrams likely has a personal grudge: She would probably be the incumbent Governor of Georgia today if not for (disgracefully legal) Republican vote-fuckery.

But anyway, does “best chance to win” mean “best chance to get the VP nom”? Or “best chance to boost the ticket to win in November”?
The latter HAS to be the one and only priority.

The latter. The best chance to help Biden win.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:57:53am

re: #296 Targetpractice

I’m curious what the new miniseries adaptation of The Stand is going to look like. The novel was originally published in ‘78 with the events set in ‘80, before the “uncut” version was released in ‘90 with the events moved up to the same year. And the ABC miniseries came out in ‘94, which was before the Internet Boom, which meant most forms of news broadcast were still either TV or radio. So how a book written when computers were still largely the realm of business or hobbyists is updated to the Digital Age should be interesting.

Well, with how some have behaved re: the ‘rona, the scriptwriters will have material for scenes that will emotionally involve the audience…

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:00:30am

Teheee…

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:00:31am

re: #288 The Pie Overlord!

I don’t see that happening, mostly because Chuck won the spot through a unanimous vote by the party only 4 years ago.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:01:16am

re: #261 LadyBehir

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gwangung  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:01:18am

re: #298 Belafon

The latter. The best chance to help Biden win.

My sense? (Which ain’t worth jack shit, but….)

a) any Southern Democrat
b) Harris
c) Duckworth
d) Warren

Warren brings the progressive element, which is not insignificant, but I wonder her effect on the more moderate and centrist elements in US society…Remember, we’re not talking about Dems…we’re talking about true centrists, non voters and wavering Republicans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:03:02am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m actually kind of surprised the WH didn’t use a photo of Trump hugging the flag.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:03:07am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Oh God, what a terrible picture.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:03:35am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m actually kind of surprised the WH didn’t use a photo of Trump hugging humping the flag.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:03:52am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait I thought Abrams had said she didn’t want the VP nom. Did she change her mind?

A few months ago, she said it was improper for a candidate who didn’t yet have the nomination to be talking about running mates. But now he’s the nominee.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:06:33am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m actually kind of surprised the WH didn’t use a photo of Trump hugging the flag.

Because even they know it’s a horrible image

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:06:46am

Stuck at Home? These 12 Famous Museums Offer Virtual Tours You Can Take on Your Couch (Video)
Experience the best museums from London to Seoul in the comfort of your own home. Atlas Obscura.

Apparently, Google Arts & Culture have links to more than 2500 museums and galleries around the world. Wow!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:11:05am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:16:33am

Hmmm, I gather that Emma is not convinced of Evita’s sincerity.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:19:22am

Stacey Abrams has been on the ground organizing GOTV efforts in underserved communities in metro Atlanta. This primary we just had here saw a 300 percent increase in votes cast from 2016. She’s good at what she does, bringing people together and getting them organized. Dem groups here could take lessons from her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:21:21am

The Christian who tear-gassed a priest for a photo-op.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:23:24am
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stpaulbear  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:23:33am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC Michael Moore. We already know that there’s no way to win over Trump’s white male rageoids. I don’t think we’re underestimating them, we’re trying to GOTV with everyone who is NOT them. They can go fuck themselves down to 27% of totally committed Trumpers. Is Moore saying that dems should focus more on the needs of angry white males?

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:24:15am

“UNSKEW THE POLLS!!!”

When the facts and law are against you, pound the table.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:27:35am

To Talk, Or Not, by John Scalzi

The current push to get celebrities/musicians/artists to comment on hot button topics of the day. Scalzi’s blog is always interesting. He definitely has opinions.

One final note on the subject, which is that a choice by a creative person to be publicly silent on a matter is not necessarily indicative of their neutrality on the matter. A creative person (or any person) may actively have an opinion or support a cause, and choose to do so quietly, and again for any number of reasons (including not painting a target on those they are helping for abusers and trolls).

Which is another reason not to attach a value judgment to a public silence. All public silence means is that you don’t know what’s going on with that person. You may think you deserve to know, but no one else is obliged to agree with you, including the creative you may believe owes you an accounting or opinion.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:29:45am

re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Agreed. I also like Sally Yates, Doug Jones should he lose, Preet Bharara for AG. Klobuchar I’d like to keep in the Senate and potential leadership. She’s great at passing bills.

Preet for AG would give cover to the “he’s going after trump for a personal vendetta for being fired” thing righties will scream. I mean they will scream no matter who, but…

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:31:15am

Fox News removes manipulated images from coverage of Seattle protests, WaPo

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:31:31am

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Hmmm, I gather that Emma is not convinced of Evita’s sincerity.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:32:36am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s his birthday and he is apparently celebrating by…shitposting on Twitter.

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Hasn’t he been talking about white male rage in every election since about 2008? And he was right once (thanks to an EC fluke), so now he’s a prophet?

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:32:53am

re: #315 stpaulbear

JFC Michael Moore. We already know that there’s no way to win over Trump’s white male rageoids. I don’t think we’re underestimating them, we’re trying to GOTV with everyone who is NOT them. They can go fuck themselves down to 27% of totally committed Trumpers. Is Moore saying that dems should focus more on the needs of angry white males?

Moore is much like Sanders (who he’s endorsed twice) in believing that the path forward for the Dems is bringing back the WWC, to the detriment of…well, virtually every other voting bloc the party has relied upon over the last 40 years. And because Moore got lucky in saying that Hillary would lose in ‘16, the media keeps looks to him as some sort of prophet rather than the guy who won a single coin toss.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:33:49am

re: #318 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Preet for AG would give cover to the “he’s going after trump for a personal vendetta for being fired” thing righties will scream. I mean they will scream no matter who, but…

That’s a fair point. Anyhow I’m sure he’ll make a good choice. There are a lot of qualified names.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:34:14am

Also, Ivanka is being ripped to shreds on that Tweet by people highlighting the story from only a few days ago about the Trump Admin stripping LGBTQ protections from health insurance plans.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:35:11am

re: #322 Targetpractice

Moore is much like Sanders (who he’s endorsed twice) in believing that the path forward for the Dems is bringing back the WWC, to the detriment of…well, virtually every other voting bloc the party has relied upon over the last 40 years. And because Moore got lucky in saying that Hillary would lose in ‘16, the media keeps looks to him as some sort of prophet rather than the guy who won a single coin toss.

He gets attaboys for 2016 but he also was as wrong about 2012. He’s more happy if the Dems lose. More airtime for him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:37:38am

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, Ivanka is being ripped to shreds on that Tweet by people highlighting the story from only a few days ago about the Trump Admin stripping LGBTQ protections from health insurance plans.

The HUD decision too I reckon.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:38:01am
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:39:07am

re: #325 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He gets attaboys for 2016 but he also was as wrong about 2012. He’s more happy if the Dems lose. More airtime for him.

Moore’s a guy who goes wherever he feels most loved. He endorsed Nader in ‘00 and ‘04, before jumping to endorse Obama in both races (though he thought Romney would win ‘12 unless Obama played to WWC crowd), and he’s endorsed Sanders in the last two elections. It should be noted that in ‘08 and ‘16, he endorsed whoever was running against Hillary, who he seems to have a personal hatred towards.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:41:42am

re: #328 Targetpractice

Moore’s a guy who goes wherever he feels most loved. He endorsed Nader in ‘00 and ‘04, before jumping to endorse Obama in both races (though he thought Romney would win ‘12 unless Obama played to WWC crowd), and he’s endorsed Sanders in the last two elections. It should be noted that in ‘08 and ‘16, he endorsed whoever was running against Hillary, who he seems to have a personal hatred towards.

He actually supported Kerry in 04. But yeah.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:42:31am

re: #329 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He actually supported Kerry in 04. But yeah.

Well hell, I suppose you can’t trust anything you read on the Internet.

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(((Archangel1)))  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:43:56am

Happy Obama Day my fellow lizards! :)

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stpaulbear  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:44:06am

re: #325 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He gets attaboys for 2016 but he also was as wrong about 2012. He’s more happy if the Dems lose. More airtime for him.

I cannot watch Moore or Bill Maher. It pisses me off that Lawrence O’Donnell seems to like bringing Moore onto his show.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:44:47am

re: #330 Targetpractice

Well hell, I suppose you can’t trust anything you read on the Internet.

He actually originally endorsed Wesley Clark which stumped me given Clark’s Clinton ties and involvement in Kosovo which Moore said was Clinton wagging the dog as well as his aforementioned Nader support.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:48:07am

re: #332 stpaulbear

I cannot watch Moore or Bill Maher. It pisses me off that Lawrence O’Donnell seems to like bringing Moore onto his show.

Same. They’re both insufferable to me.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:51:22am

Highlights from a long history of turning crumbs into puddings, soups, and brews.

Good recipes! I haven’t been eating bread, because starch. But these really make me want to start baking and letting it go stale!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:51:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:53:23am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

He seems nice.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:55:05am

CT culture strikes again. That shit is dangerous.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:55:10am

One of my FB friends keeps posting Confederate flag memes - “”The blood of American heroes was spilled for both these flags…” and complaining about ‘Snowflakes’. But she’s the one who keeps posting them.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:55:23am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Behold the master race, etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:56:26am

re: #340 Dr Lizardo

Behold the master race, etc.

We’re marching to a faster pace….

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:56:34am

Jennifer Rubins analyses the VP issue, and says anyone other than Kamala Harris, Val Demings or Keisha Lance Bottoms would be too risky, using the phrasing from back early in the Presidential race when a woman or a person of color was deemed too risky.

washingtonpost.com

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:57:12am
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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:59:25am

re: #342 retired cynic

And some commenters are saying that Bottoms has been great at PR, but not so good at actually running Atlanta. I have no idea or opinion at all, except that Harris has always been my candidate. The commenters are saying she is “too close” to law enforcement to be allowed to be VP candidate. So on that one, I have an opinion.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:59:37am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s his birthday and he is apparently celebrating by…shitposting on Twitter.

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Jeez, I really had to hold my nose while reading that shit about Michael Moore (Breitbart, SRSLY?). Though I’m unsurprised that’s who President Anus would retweet.

But FWIW, I think Moore is conceptually correct - there IS a large bloc of “angry white males” Out There - (Beckys and Karens, too) - we here would probably shorthand them as the “flyover state gun-goober vote”, but still, they:

1) are too large a voting bloc to ignore.
2) tend mainly to (reflexively) vote their prejudices, not their interests.
3) wrap their extremist politics in the mantle of religion.
4) have clung, and will cling desperately to Trump and the GOP as the sole political outlet they will tolerate - mainly because 3).

The thing is, though, other than stating the obvious - WTF is Moore trying to say? That we have to coddle the Bigot Bloc or else they’ll get violent if when Trump loses?

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:00:12am

HAPPY OBAMA DAY!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:00:36am

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t underestimate white male Trump supporters rage and emotion. But - SO WHAT?

The true Trumpkins aren’t winnable by any means. Trump could come out on the stage at one of his rallies, drop trou and literally shit on the stage, and they’d applaud it as genius. You can’t win over those people. The ONLY thing you can do is crush them electorally and consign them to Reagan’s “Ash Heap Of History”.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:00:42am

re: #339 Blind Frog Belly White

One of my FB friends keeps posting Confederate flag memes - “”The blood of American heroes was spilled for both these flags…” and complaining about ‘Snowflakes’. But she’s the one who keeps posting them.

They didn’t want to be Americans when they raised that flag. There are 260,000 Brazilians of American descent. Know why a lot of them are there? Brazil didn’t abolish slavery until the 1880’s and a lot of these Confederates never wanted to live in the US again. Hell the guy credited with firing the first shot on Sumter killed himself unrepentant in his hate of the United States.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:03:28am

re: #345 Jay C

Jeez, I really had to hold my nose while reading that shit about Michael Moore (Breitbart, SRSLY?). Though I’m unsurprised that’s who President Anus would retweet.

But FWIW, I think Moore is conceptually correct - there IS a large bloc of “angry white males” Out There - (Beckys and Karens, too) - we here would probably shorthand them as the “flyover state gun-goober vote”, but still, they:

1) are too large a voting bloc to ignore.
2) tend mainly to (reflexively) vote their prejudices, not their interests.
3) wrap their extremist politics in the mantle of religion.
4) have clung, and will cling desperately to Trump and the GOP as the sole political outlet they will tolerate - mainly because 3).

The thing is, though, other than stating the obvious - WTF is Moore trying to say? That we have to coddle the Bigot Bloc or else they’ll get violent if when Trump loses?

I bolded the one thing I’d quibble about. We tend to look at them and wonder why they keep voting against their own interests, but really, white dominance is their defining interest.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:04:32am

re: #344 retired cynic

And some commenters are saying that Bottoms has been great at PR, but not so good at actually running Atlanta. I have no idea or opinion at all, except that Harris has always been my candidate. The commenters are saying she is “too close” to law enforcement to be allowed to be VP candidate. So on that one, I have an opinion.

See, I think her being a former AG and DA gives the law enforcement reform movement more credibility. She’s worked within the criminal justice system.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:07:56am

re: #197 Targetpractice

It wouldn’t be a plague without Christians attacking heretics for not looking to Christ to save them from something that is easily addressed through basic common sense. Wear a mask and keep a distance from others? “Fuck that, I don’t wanna wear a mask or stay away from the bars, I’ll ask God to protect me!”

Someone on Facebook said that they won’t wear a mask because it made them feel like they were suffocating. I nearly responded back that catching COVID-19 could make you really feel like that, but more so.

(I did notice that his sister castigated him about it, mentioning that their mother was in a vulnerable group, and he was thinking about visiting.)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:08:15am

re: #347 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t underestimate white male Trump supporters rage and emotion. But - SO WHAT?

The true Trumpkins aren’t winnable by any means. Trump could come out on the stage at one of his rallies, drop trou and literally shit on the stage, and they’d applaud it as genius. You can’t win over those people. The ONLY thing you can do is crush them electorally and consign them to Reagan’s “Ash Heap Of History”.

You can make some of them want to stay home on a rainy election day—-maybe 80,000 of them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:08:57am

The allies under-estimated the rage of Hitler’s white male supporters. So what? A correct estimation, especially in the US, might have resulted in them being crushed sooner. So it should be with the Trump goobers.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:09:49am

re: #350 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

See, I think her being a former AG and DA gives the law enforcement reform movement more credibility. She’s worked within the criminal justice system.

I wonder how much the police chief resigning after the shooting is going to affect her chances.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:12:04am

re: #339 Blind Frog Belly White

One of my FB friends keeps posting Confederate flag memes - “”The blood of American heroes was spilled for both these flags…” and complaining about ‘Snowflakes’. But she’s the one who keeps posting them.

The Confeds quit being American the moment they declared they were withdrawing from the US. They renounced their American citizenship at that moment. From that renunciation on they were foreigners occupying American soil.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:12:41am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:13:08am

re: #246 John Hughes

As someone who was using internet services at quite reasonable costs five years ago on the Ivoirian/Liberian border I’d recommend that you investigate why it’s so difficult to do things in the US that can be done in poor African countries.

Capitalism.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:13:50am

re: #354 Belafon

I wonder how much the police chief resigning after the shooting is going to affect her chances.

I’m not sure. I think right now Harris is the favorite tho.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:14:59am

re: #255 Targetpractice

The major sports leagues are all trying desperately to return to “normal” to coup some of their losses or avoid major losses in the latter half of the year, but the new reality is that “normal” means the very real possibility that one or more players could end up infected per game. And since it’s pretty much impossible to quarantine every team for 2 weeks between games, what you’re asking is for players to gamble with their lives every game.

Yep. And I’m gonna be careful around a few of my neighbors. One is a AA baseball player and he’s unfortunately the most likely vector at this stage for me getting exposed.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:20:39am

re: #296 Targetpractice

I’m curious what the new miniseries adaptation of The Stand is going to look like. The novel was originally published in ‘78 with the events set in ‘80, before the “uncut” version was released in ‘90 with the events moved up to the same year. And the ABC miniseries came out in ‘94, which was before the Internet Boom, which meant most forms of news broadcast were still either TV or radio. So how a book written when computers were still largely the realm of business or hobbyists is updated to the Digital Age should be interesting.

They’ll have people refusing to wear masks because that is a thing right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:21:03am

re: #355 Eventual Carrion

The Confeds quit being American the moment they declared they were withdrawing from the US. They renounced their American citizenship at that moment. From that renunciation on they were foreigners occupying American soil.

So much of American history is NOT taught to American children. Another friend, responding to a post of mine on the Jefferson Davis statue being taken out of the KY Capitol bulding, said that a lot of the statues outside the South were put there between 1870 and 1925 as a conciliatory measure.

So I said, Yeah, and I’m sure this is just a coincidence, but that period also saw the rise of the KKK to a position of national prominence, not just in the South, but across the North as well.

How many Americans know that the KKK marched in Washington DC in 1926, not like the Skokie march - a few defiant idiots, booed and heckled by everyone, but as a fully accepted, politically acceptable, nationwide organization? I didn’t! It’s like the significance of Tulsa in American history - I didn’t really know about it till the last few years.

This is why we need Black History Month - because the 11 White History Months every year don’t teach us what we need to know.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:22:55am

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Somewhere in Fictional Character Heaven, Max Bialystok and Leo Bloom are looking down and smiling - “Congratulations! You now own 50% of ‘Springtime for Hitler’!”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:24:03am

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

So much of American history is NOT taught to American children. Another friend, responding to a post of mine on the Jefferson Davis statue being taken out of the KY Capitol bulding, said that a lot of the statues outside the South were put there between 1870 and 1925 as a conciliatory measure.

So I said, Yeah, and I’m sure this is just a coincidence, but that period also saw the rise of the KKK to a position of national prominence, not just in the South, but across the North as well.

How many Americans know that the KKK marched in Washington DC in 1926, not like the Skokie march - a few defiant idiots, booed and heckled by everyone, but as a fully accepted, politically acceptable, nationwide organization? I didn’t! It’s like the significance of Tulsa in American history - I didn’t really know about it till the last few years.

This is why we need Black History Month - because the 11 White History Months every year don’t teach us what we need to know.

Yeah they just go but KKK were Democrats and ignore the Klan’s cross region and party membership at its peak. We need to teach history better.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:24:05am

re: #296 Targetpractice

I’m curious what the new miniseries adaptation of The Stand is going to look like. The novel was originally published in ‘78 with the events set in ‘80, before the “uncut” version was released in ‘90 with the events moved up to the same year. And the ABC miniseries came out in ‘94, which was before the Internet Boom, which meant most forms of news broadcast were still either TV or radio. So how a book written when computers were still largely the realm of business or hobbyists is updated to the Digital Age should be interesting.

I know lots of people love _The Stand_. I personally found it underwhelming. It started with a SF end-of-the-world scenario with some nice Stephen King twists tossed in. And then morphed into a long supernatural religious thing. And ended with a literal deus ex machina. (Which to me implied that a bunch of the characters you’d been brought along to support were essentially sacrificed for what I would argue was no apparent reason.) So overall I saw it as a very long and mediocre SF novel that went pretty far off the rails by the end.

I also viewed the end of Narnia novels in this light. First of all, I was young enough and ignorant enough of religious stuff that most of the allegory went over my head. And then, at the end, all this stuff goes down and the God (Aslan) is still a dick to a bunch of people (like the dwarves in the stable) because they didn’t believe in him enough.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:24:13am

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

….You just can’t knowingly swallow & regurgitate lies for years and still feel whole. You can say winning is more important, but I mean look around, what have you actually won?

They’ve won a large number of judges, including 2 SC judges, who will be ruining this country for decades. That’s what they’ve won. And that is a real victory to them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:28:06am

re: #202 steve_davis

that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. doesn’t mean it also wasn’t systemically racist that 4 cops were allowed to daylight lynch the guy in front of witnesses, who were yelling that they were killing him, and that it was only video evidence that convinced a reluctant prosecutor to reach down and discover that he actually had two stones, a spine, and at least a small degree of intestinal fortitude.

It’s not just because they had video evidence; it’s because the video evidence went public and they couldn’t conceal what happened. Otherwise they would have buried the case.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:30:17am
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wrenchwench  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:32:23am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:32:42am

re: #244 makeitstop

His entire right side is weak, as evidenced by his inability to even lift a glass of water to his lips.

Leaving aside his obvious mental decline, he’s got serious physical issues. Another reason to laugh when Red Hats look to this turd as some sort of super alpha male.

He’s an old man, and he’s falling apart. I hope voters will start paying attention to it.

It’s not his physical limitations that should be the concern — it’s his views and policies that are the problem. Joe is way too old for the office and my brother keeps on hammering away at how senile Joe is — my response is always, in a choice between a senile Democrat (which Joe isn’t) and Hitler, I go with senility any day.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:34:56am

re: #369 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not his physical limitations that should be the concern — it’s his views and policies that are the problem. Joe is way too old for the office and my brother keeps on hammering away at how senile Joe is — my response is always, in a choice between a senile Democrat (which Joe isn’t) and Hitler, I go with senility any day.

The senility stuff is bullshit and I’m sick of it. I’ve seen far too many edited videos that people push to make Biden look senile and too many people using the tactics he uses with his stutter as proof that he’s got senility. I go with the guy who actually can admit he’s not always right over the Twitter Troll.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:38:47am

re: #369 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree with you, but Trump is trying to make this “Sleepy Joe is senile” bullshit a legitimate concern, so fuck him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:40:21am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:41:09am

The ‘senility’ bit is Trumpian projection. Every time you see Trump accuse an opponent of something, it’s because it’s one of Trump’s weaknesses and he’s trying to defuse it for himself and use it to paint/define the opponent.

I mean, for god’s sake, listen to Trump, or better yet, read a transcript of him trying to answer questions. THAT’S senile.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:44:23am

re: #368 wrenchwench

The Big Enchilada Podcast, which began in 2008, has lasted more that twice as long as the Confederacy

Several of Jerry Lee Lewis’ marriages have lasted longer than the Confederacy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:44:40am

re: #312 A Mom Anon

Stacey Abrams has been on the ground organizing GOTV efforts in underserved communities in metro Atlanta. This primary we just had here saw a 300 percent increase in votes cast from 2016. She’s good at what she does, bringing people together and getting them organized. Dem groups here could take lessons from her.

My sister was not a particular fan until she heard Abrams speak a couple months ago and was very impressed with her. But as others have said, Abrams doesn’t have sufficient experience. Given Joe’s age, we need as VP someone much younger, dynamic, and with substantial state-wide experience.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:48:46am

re: #373 Blind Frog Belly White

The ‘senility’ bit is Trumpian projection. Every time you see Trump accuse an opponent of something, it’s because it’s one of Trump’s weaknesses and he’s trying to defuse it for himself and use it to paint/define the opponent.

I mean, for god’s sake, listen to Trump, or better yet, read a transcript of him trying to answer questions. THAT’S senile.

I never got invited to the George Washington Historic Airport by Biden.

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Alephnaught  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:49:42am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content: Aliens are going to be so disappointed when they see how stupid we are.]

Even that’s not a guarantee. There’s a theory I’ve seen fairly recently that attempts to provide an explanation for Fermi’s Paradox (ie if we lifeforms are not alone in the Universe, and given how big and old the Universe is, how come we’ve heard from anyone yet?).

It’s called the “Dark Forest” theory, named after the 2008 sci-fi novel by Liu Cixin.

Basically, the long and short of the theory is: any sufficiently advanced civilisation in space/time is going to think: “Wait a sec- do we want to advertise our presence across the Universe? Especially if it’s to other alien civilisations, who might be more advanced than us, and could, therefore, subjugate us?”

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:50:04am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:50:15am

re: #372 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

“Thousands of mostly African American churchgoers…”

Why not just “Thousands of churchgoers…”?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:55:29am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:56:22am

My chosen image for Flag Day today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:57:02am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:57:17am

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

“Thousands of mostly African American churchgoers…”

Why not just “Thousands of churchgoers…”?

Because regular church goers aren’t Democrats. //

Because white Democrats don’t go to church. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:57:29am

Is pissing on and/or burning a Confederate Flag also an appropriate way to celebrate today?

Asking for a friend…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:00:31am

re: #364 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I know lots of people love _The Stand_. I personally found it underwhelming. It started with a SF end-of-the-world scenario with some nice Stephen King twists tossed in. And then morphed into a long supernatural religious thing. …….

I concur. I detest most fantasy (except for GOT) and that really irritated me about this way too long end-of-the-world plague ultimately caused by a supernatural entity story. It may have been the last book I read by King. And I avoid horror stories these days, though was entertained by them in my younger days.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:03:32am

re: #384 Eclectic Cyborg

Is pissing on and/or burning a Confederate Flag also an appropriate way to celebrate today?

Asking for a friend…

Yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:04:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:09:18am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:09:34am

Every so often I get a bee in my bonnet and obsess on some new thing. I can never predict what it’s going to be. For example, back in 2007, after buying a perfectly nice new bike (my carbon fiber Bianchi 928, “Plastic Fantastic”), and having my 1995 Ritchey Road Logic (“Old Tom”) repainted, I became obsessed with finding a lugged steel, Columbus MAX frame and building it up with Campagnolo kit. I spent a month finding the frame, and a couple more months acquiring all the bits, piece by piece, on Ebay. That became “Dreadnought”.

Interestingly, that coincided with my old company going through a really bad year, wherein they laid off about half the staff, 3 times, but each time, I survived. So, obviously a stressful time and perhaps my mind was using this to provide another focus.

Fast forward to today. For the last week, I have been OBSESSED with finding a 1999 - 2002 Litespeed Ultimate, either a frameset or a bike, to rebuild. I’d actually wanted on back when that would have been new.

So, for the last week, I find myself haunting Ebay, even wondering whether I could drive to Michigan to buy the one that says “Local Pickup Only”. Yesterday, I looked at the local Craigs List and there was one just down the Peninsula in Los Altos. It was my size. It was EXACTLY the year I want (curved seatstays, straight seat tube with indentation made for the rear wheel to shorten the chainstays, threadless headset). I almost went for it, but dawdled, and it was gone.

But I’m still obsessed!!! What the fuck do I need with a FOURTH bike? I don’t ride but 3 days a week max!

Anyway, there’s a glimpse of what goes on in my head. Thank you for your indulgence. Now it’s time to go ride a bike I actually own!

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Mattand  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:10:04am

re: #381 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

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My chosen image for Flag Day today.

Valley Forge arch?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:10:19am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

They do such an amazing job educating the public.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:10:42am

re: #381 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Kind of like this one. The snow adds a nice element to the story.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:15:26am

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

Every so often I get a bee in my bonnet and obsess on some new thing. I can never predict what it’s going to be. For example, back in 2007, after buying a perfectly nice new bike (my carbon fiber Bianchi 928, “Plastic Fantastic”), and having my 1995 Ritchey Road Logic (“Old Tom”) repainted, I became obsessed with finding a lugged steel, Columbus MAX frame and building it up with Campagnolo kit. I spent a month finding the frame, and a couple more months acquiring all the bits, piece by piece, on Ebay. That became “Dreadnought”.

Interestingly, that coincided with my old company going through a really bad year, wherein they laid off about half the staff, 3 times, but each time, I survived. So, obviously a stressful time and perhaps my mind was using this to provide another focus.

Fast forward to today. For the last week, I have been OBSESSED with finding a 1999 - 2002 Litespeed Ultimate, either a frameset or a bike, to rebuild. I’d actually wanted on back when that would have been new.

So, for the last week, I find myself haunting Ebay, even wondering whether I could drive to Michigan to buy the one that says “Local Pickup Only”. Yesterday, I looked at the local Craigs List and there was one just down the Peninsula in Los Altos. It was my size. It was EXACTLY the year I want (curved seatstays, straight seat tube with indentation made for the rear wheel to shorten the chainstays, threadless headset). I almost went for it, but dawdled, and it was gone.

But I’m still obsessed!!! What the fuck do I need with a FOURTH bike? I don’t ride but 3 days a week max!

Anyway, there’s a glimpse of what goes on in my head. Thank you for your indulgence. Now it’s time to go ride a bike I actually own!

My 1989 steel-frame Bianchi Giro came with beautiful Campagnolo kit. But the shifting was always a bit imprecise, so my brother swapped a spare Dura-ace set of shifters and it made all the difference. Now, though, I’d have to plunge a few hundred into it get bottom bracket fixed, new brake lines, etc. I’m starting to save for a new bike. I loved that old bike, though.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:15:54am

re: #390 Mattand

Valley Forge arch?

Yes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:17:27am
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A Mom Anon  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:18:01am

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:19:59am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

Yeah, nazi banners with a portrait of Washington in the center. We learned about none of this stuff in school.

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Mattand  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:00am

re: #315 stpaulbear

JFC Michael Moore. We already know that there’s no way to win over Trump’s white male rageoids. I don’t think we’re underestimating them, we’re trying to GOTV with everyone who is NOT them. They can go fuck themselves down to 27% of totally committed Trumpers. Is Moore saying that dems should focus more on the needs of angry white males?

I think Moore’s endgame is to get Bernie nominated, no matter what the cost. I don’t even think Bernie getting wiped out in the general would matter to people like Moore, because they then can climb on their “Well, America, you should have listened to us” high horse.

There’s a similar ongoing problem with coverage of Biden over at jezebel.com. The staff is “Bern it all to the ground”. They claim that they will support Biden, but every article they write about him gets twisted into “Look at this rapist monster, he’s no better than Trump/Bush/Obama/Hitler.”

In defense of both subjects above: I do think there’s still a danger of underestimating Trump, or specifically the hate he empowers; and Biden is absolutely not beyond criticism. Hell, I got downdinged here four years ago saying Trump had a genuine shot of winning, based on my interactions with both-siders and angry white dudes here in “liberal” NJ.

But you watch: as the convention in whatever form it takes gets closer, expect people like Moore to ratchet up the “Biden’s too weak to take Trump, we need to feel the BERN” propaganda.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:18am

re: #364 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I also viewed the end of Narnia novels in this light. First of all, I was young enough and ignorant enough of religious stuff that most of the allegory went over my head. And then, at the end, all this stuff goes down and the God (Aslan) is still a dick to a bunch of people (like the dwarves in the stable) because they didn’t believe in him enough.

He left the dwarves sitting where they were with paradise all around them, which they refused to see. Not my idea of dickishness. All those people/animals who went off into Aslan’s shadow, on the other hand…

(Haven’t read The Stand. Tried once.)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:37am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

Henry Ford too. I had no idea about his Hitler love and antisemitism until later.

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Mattand  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:48am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

Mid-30’s, I think.

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NetworkKed  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:53am

re: #385 Hecuba’s daughter

“Fantasy” is a difficult category to pin down, though I don’t mind it in general. King straddles dark fantasy/SF throughout his career, and often even within a book. The Stand is one of those - the first half is just brilliant EotW narrative, laced with bits of fantasy weirdness to turn it into proper horror.

When the characters get to Iowa, it seems to disintegrate into juvenile social commentary - not awful but not really interesting to me. And then the confrontation in Vegas is just… ugh. I didn’t mind killing off the characters, but “god only acts if someone is (literally) there (on site) to beg for it” is not good theology in any religion I’ve studied and is about the most useless statement about how to face evil of any variety I’ve ever come across.

The book that really sold me on King was IT. The personalized, localized flavor of cosmic horror (and all the clown tropes it spawned) worked well through the whole novel, and the resolution felt just right. Drawing of the Three also was a book that clinched my fandom. The mix of realism, straight horror, and high-concept fantasy grabbed me hard and didn’t let go. I don’t like everything in the Dark Tower novels, but they’re a fabulous synthesis of many strands in modern popular and literary fiction.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:20:54am

SPEAK!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:21:24am

re: #397 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, nazi banners with a portrait of Washington in the center. We learned about none of this stuff in school.

Yeah the Bund.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:21:47am

re: #401 Mattand

Mid-30’s, I think.

I think closer to 41 actually.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:23:01am

re: #381 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Officially, the National Memorial Arch.

The United States National Memorial Arch, located in Valley Forge National Historical Park, Pennsylvania, is a monument built to celebrate the arrival of General George Washington and the Continental Army at Valley Forge. Valley Forge was the military camp 18 miles northwest of Philadelphia where the American Continental Army spent the winter of 1777-78 during the American Revolutionary War. Starvation, disease, malnutrition, and exposure killed more than 2,500 American soldiers by the end of February 1778.

The arch was designed by Paul Philippe Cret and was dedicated June 19,1917. He also designed the Main Building (“the Tower”) at the University of Texas at Austin.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:23:18am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

Here’s a link to a story about the rally at Madison Square Garden: npr.org

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:23:48am

MSG rally was 1939. After Kristallnacht but before the invasion of Poland so we know Candace Owens would approve.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:27:20am

re: #375 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister was not a particular fan until she heard Abrams speak a couple months ago and was very impressed with her. But as others have said, Abrams doesn’t have sufficient experience. Given Joe’s age, we need as VP someone much younger, dynamic, and with substantial state-wide experience.

I kind of agree, but Obama’s experience was about six years in the state legislature and part of one Senate term, Compared to her ten years in her state legislature., i.e ten legislative years each.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:27:20am

I’m in a good mood for the first time in a long time. Just finished my comedy class (online). Good I love it. It’s not as good as live in a club, but still fun to practice my material via zoom. I talked about my experience with the Covid. spoiler: I’m not giving the virus a good review on Yelp.

I’m not going for a walk because My body needs the exercise. Take care of each other.

FT

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:34:03am

re: #405 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

re: #401 Mattand

Mid-30’s, I think.

I think closer to 41 actually.

February 20, 1939

Timed for Washington’s Birthday: and centerpieced by a huge banner of old George flanked by swastikas….

Though (as not uncommon in NY), the rally drew more protesters outside than attendees at the Garden……

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:34:15am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a rally at MSG with Nazi flags and crap on the stage behind the podium? Charles Lindbergh also has Nazi connections that got left out of my education and I had some in depth classes in high school. Education has been whitewashed and cleaned up to the point that even the Trail of Tears makes it sound like a friendly movement of people from one place to the other. It really needs to stop.

I actually met Charles Lindbergh at Edwards AFB in the early 60s. He was a guest for some ceremonial occasion. I remember him as a tall, thin, and rather shy man. Like the infamous Anastasio Somoza (whom I have also met) he was gracious and friendly but he lacked Somoza’s charm. I heard that some of the still numerous World War II veterans at the base were less than thrilled with his presence, while the Cold War generation officers thought he was god. Eisenhower had rehabilitated him in the 50s, restoring his military rank. By the time I met him, he was a Brigadier General of the AF Reserve, but he never wore a uniform.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:36:38am

re: #411 Jay C

February 20, 1939

Timed for Washington’s Birthday: and centerpieced by a huge banner of old George flanked by swastikas….

Though (as not uncommon in NY), the rally drew more protesters outside than attendees at the Garden……

Gotcha. I definitely saw the influence of that rally in Plot Against America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:39:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:40:45am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:45:07am

Thought this might be handy in the months to come.

417
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:48:40am
418
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:49:39am
419
The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:56:05am
420
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:01:50pm
421
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:07:18pm
422
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:09:03pm
423
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:10:42pm
424
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:11:05pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

I think of my grandmother. Born in 1895 before manned flight. Saw the advent of transportation from autos to airplanes to moon landings to the space station to the shuttles. Saw communications from telegraph to the internet. I’d say that generation saw and adapted to a heck of a lot.

425
BlueSpotinAL  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:14:58pm

re: #416 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thought this might be handy in the months to come.

[Embedded content]

Trump is already leaning forward that much, surely the rope has not been pulled yet.

426
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:16:12pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

427
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:16:57pm

re: #425 BlueSpotinAL

Trump is already leaning forward that much, surely the rope has not been pulled yet.

Might be more accurate to have a Trump already tipping over with a tied rope being all that is stopping it. And a group of small memorial candles are burning away the rope.

428
The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:19:22pm
429
Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:23:49pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

SPEAK!

[Embedded content]

GenZ is claiming credit for Zuckerberg?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:25:00pm

re: #428 The Pie Overlord!

I need some help figuring out how to explain this to people. Every Green/Libertarian/”other stupid third party” voter I’ve run across argues in a circular fashion, like so:

ME: Yes, Biden has convinced me to vote for him, but even if he hadn’t, he’s the best chance to make sure we don’t get Trump.
THEM: But if his beliefs don’t align with yours, why vote for him? Vote third party.
ME: No, that’s a waste of a vote. Trump-humpers will never vote for a third party (or anyone except a Republican), and there are too many of them to be able to afford voting third party.
THEM: But if we all vote third party, then the third party will win, and the wheel will be broken.
ME: You’ve been trying for years and it hasn’t worked. We need to vote for the Democrat until we’ve changed the landscape to allow third parties to be viable.
THEM: But I don’t like Biden and we can start changing things now if we vote third party.
ME: … [Internally: “That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.”]

431
b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:25:07pm

432
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:26:50pm
433
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:27:58pm

re: #431 b.d. (Follow science, survive and vote!)

[Embedded content]

(Laughs in Dalek)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:28:00pm

re: #430 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I need some help figuring out how to explain this to people. Every Green/Libertarian/”other stupid third party” voter I’ve run across argues in a circular fashion, like so:

ME: Yes, Biden has convinced me to vote for him, but even if he hadn’t, he’s the best chance to make sure we don’t get Trump.
THEM: But if his beliefs don’t align with yours, why vote for him? Vote third party.
ME: No, that’s a waste of a vote. Trump-humpers will never vote for a third party (or anyone except a Republican), and there are too many of them to be able to afford voting third party.
THEM: But if we all vote third party, then the third party will win, and the wheel will be broken.
ME: You’ve been trying for years and it hasn’t worked. We need to vote for the Democrat until we’ve changed the landscape to allow third parties to be viable.
THEM: But I don’t like Biden and we can start changing things now if we vote third party.
ME: … [Internally: “That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.”]

Third parties complain about how the system is unfair to them yet I never see them prioritize local races.

435
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:29:53pm

re: #434 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Third parties complain about how the system is unfair to them yet I never see them prioritize local races.

A lot of the people I’ve met who argue that loop are simply trying to justify their protest vote and not getting what they “want”. And, for the most part, they are not politically active and not actually lifting a finger to help their favored third party on either or local or national level.

436
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:30:42pm
437
(((Archangel1)))  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:31:55pm
438
retired cynic  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:32:30pm

Went out to feed this morning and found my old stallion had a companion enjoying the browse. Bad color because they were too far away and the horse was in the shade, which made him black instead of just a bit darker than the deer.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:32:37pm

re: #435 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

A lot of the people I’ve met who argue that loop are simply trying to justify their protest vote and not getting what they “want”. And, for the most part, they are not politically active and not actually lifting a finger to help their favored third party on either or local or national level.

Yep, a lot of this. People complain about the system being broken, but don’t do anything besides throw away their vote to actually help.

440
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:33:57pm
441
gwangung  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:38:24pm

re: #434 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Third parties complain about how the system is unfair to them yet I never see them prioritize local races.

EXACTLY.

You REALLY wanna make your party a power? Form a BLOC. None of this top down authoritarian shit; you do the hard work and form a block of legislators, officers AND executives to Get Things Done.

442
goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:39:58pm
443
Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:40:57pm
444
A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:41:16pm

re: #441 gwangung

EXACTLY.

You REALLY wanna make your party a power? Form a BLOC. None of this top down authoritarian shit; you do the hard work and form a block of legislators, officers AND executives to Get Things Done.

Or win some tiny municipal offices, then more important ones, then statewide… (while your fellows are doing the same thing in other states. Prove to me that you can govern.

445
Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:41:51pm

re: #430 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think the image here is a good way to think about it.

re: #247 2020 Blue Wisconsin

It’s not about liking Biden. It’s about choosing the candidate who will be in office that can make the changes you want.

Here’s my personal example. Harris was my first choice, and Warren was my second. Biden was my third. When it came time to vote in Texas’s primary, with the choice between Biden, Warren, and Sanders, I voted for Biden. Why? Because at that moment, the choice was coming down to Biden or Sanders, and I did not want Sanders as the nominee.

446
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:42:48pm

Mandatory Afternoon Happy Cooper

447
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:45:28pm
448
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:45:58pm
449
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:48:06pm

YIKES

450
Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:49:57pm
451
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:51:17pm

re: #446 nines09

Cooper is a doll. I asked before, but the threads get so busy, I might have missed your response. Could you tell me what county you are in so if it is one of the 8 I cover for work, I could think happy Cooper thoughts when I cross the county line?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:52:36pm
453
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:52:40pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

[Embedded content]

WTF is he talking about.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:56:42pm

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

455
Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:57:52pm

re: #428 The Pie Overlord!

This reply nails it:

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 12:58:45pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

[Embedded content]

(LAUGHS)

After Trump talks constantly about “dominating” protesters Carson tosses out weak sauce about “imposing our will on others”?

457
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:01:47pm

re: #444 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Or win some tiny municipal offices, then more important ones, then statewide… (while your fellows are doing the same thing in other states. Prove to me that you can govern.

Exactly. Show not only can you win but govern but if your whole thing is just bellyaching that you don’t like the two party system, I’m not interested.

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nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:02:24pm

re: #451 LadyBehir

Cooper is a doll. I asked before, but the threads get so busy, I might have missed your response. Could you tell me what county you are in so if it is one of the 8 I cover for work, I could think happy Cooper thoughts when I cross the county line?

Oh hello again!
Cooper is a mini AussieDoodle and we are in Snyder County.
Stay safe!

459
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:06:05pm
460
cat-tikvah  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:11:20pm

re: #384 Eclectic Cyborg

Only if you don’t have to buy it first.

461
Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:13:24pm

Thread is getting wonky on my phone

462
danarchy  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:15:46pm

re: #424 LadyBehir

I think of my grandmother. Born in 1895 before manned flight. Saw the advent of transportation from autos to airplanes to moon landings to the space station to the shuttles. Saw communications from telegraph to the internet. I’d say that generation saw and adapted to a heck of a lot.

Never could quite figure out how to program the time on their VCR though ;)

463
Mattand  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:16:50pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

“We shouldn’t impose our will on others” — Ben Carson argues against renaming US military bases named after Confederate generals

What the fuck does this even mean in the context of the conversation?

“Sorry, I didn’t mean to denigrate your support of the Confederacy, that started a war with the US in order, for the most part, to keep slavery going”?

Jesus Fucking Christ. Only the best people…

464
Mattand  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:20:05pm

re: #463 Mattand

What the fuck does this even mean in the context of the conversation?

“Sorry, I didn’t mean to denigrate your support of the Confederacy, that started a war with the US in order, for the most part, to keep slavery going”?

Jesus Fucking Christ. Only the best people…

Think about it: they’re sending Carson out on the Sunday shows because they think he’s one of the smarter, more eloquent people in the administration.

Just… wow.

465
stpaulbear  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:22:27pm

re: #389 Blind Frog Belly White

Please let me know if you get obsessed with a late 80’s Trek 420. The frame is too tall for me now that I’m old and decrepit.

466
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:23:08pm

re: #464 Mattand

Think about it: they’re sending Carson out on the Sunday shows because they think he’s one of the smarter, more eloquent people in the administration.

Just… wow.

they sent him out to defend the Confederacy because he’s not white

467
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:24:54pm
468
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:26:44pm

re: #458 nines09

Oh goody. I get to think extra happy Cooper thoughts tomorrow. Got a job in Port Trevorton. I’m in Lyoming.

469
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:27:49pm

re: #468 LadyBehir

Oh goody. I get to think extra happy Cooper thoughts tomorrow. Got a job in Port Trevorton. I’m in Lyoming.

Port. Vestiges of the canal and shad and lumber…

470
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:28:50pm

re: #462 danarchy

She had a remote controlled TV in the 60s. And her vcr never blinked the time. I think that was my aunt’s doing, however.

471
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:29:26pm

re: #450 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

472
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:30:03pm
473
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:30:54pm

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ron Perlman will cut your stupid ass Natty Light Poster Boy.

474
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:31:39pm

re: #469 nines09

I just hope I don’t get tomorrow’s jobs mixed up. The other one is in Trevorton.

475
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:32:47pm
476
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:34:17pm

re: #474 LadyBehir

One is Port.
The other is Trevorton.
Think of it that way. Local talk.

477
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:37:04pm

re: #476 nines09

Trouble is, Port is Williamsport. I guess I’ll just have to be extra careful. I also have Mifflinburg and Mifflinville to deal with.

478
Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:38:21pm

re: #459 Dread Pirate

[Embedded content]

That probably has a lot to do with that group being the most mobile.

479
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:39:13pm
480
A Cranky One  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:41:44pm

re: #458 nines09

Oh hello again!
Cooper is a mini AussieDoodle and we are in Snyder County.
Stay safe!

So a mini cooper?

481
(((Archangel1)))  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:41:44pm
482
stpaulbear  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:41:49pm

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bryan Behar
✔
@bryanbehar
To all of you Americans running around without masks:

You’re the same nation that had Barack Obama and replaced him with an Adderall chewing, white supremacist game show host.

Sorry if I don’t trust any decisions you make.

I took my scooter out for a ride today and stopped at a Gyros place that had some outdoor seating and I could stay about 20’ from the only other diners. I wore my mask when I ordered, but took it off at the table and then forgot to grab it when I left. There were a couple other places I wanted to stop but I decided I couldn’t do it without a mask, so I need to go out again later. Realizing that I was out in public without a mask felt like potential danger.

483
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:42:51pm

re: #477 LadyBehir

Trouble is, Port is Williamsport. I guess I’ll just have to be extra careful. I also have Mifflinburg and Mifflinville to deal with.

Call Williamsport Billtown. Trevorton is coal. Port is river.
Mifflin has a burg, ville, town and county.
Go to Oriental and ask where the Oriental Hotel stood.

484
nines09  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:43:30pm

re: #480 A Cranky One

So a mini cooper?

Why you wise guy…….

485
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:44:49pm
486
LadyBehir  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:46:02pm

re: #483 nines09

Billtown is soooo yesterday. The hep kids all call it the Port. Where is Oriental? I know Urban - which ain’t - and Pillow. My favorite town name in the state is Shunk. Sounds like an arrow hitting its target. They have a post card for sale there that is totally black. The opposite side says “Shunk at night”.

487
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:46:51pm
488
stpaulbear  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:48:58pm

re: #428 The Pie Overlord!

Anthony Fortini
@afortini
*
6h
Serious question.
I am not voting for Trump or Biden as neither of these old men are in any shape to be managing a country.
I will likely vote Green Party as it aligns closely with my progressive views.
Am I considered a “Resister”?

An Incapacitor.

489
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:49:43pm

moron

490
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:53:35pm

re: #487 Dread Pirate

Every time I see a tweet from this account pop up here, it warms my heart just a little. There are good people in the world.

491
Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:56:24pm

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

492
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:57:37pm

Nye Beach and Yaquina Head

Time for a beach picture.

493
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 1:58:35pm
494
The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:02:30pm
495
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:02:35pm
496
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:04:57pm
497
Decatur Deb  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:07:23pm

Proportionally, on a per capita/percentage, far more people rallied at our Baja Alabama town. It was brilliant. More, with photos, to follow.

498
The Pie Overlord!  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:07:50pm

Anthony Fortini is getting ratioed like a rat eating cheerios.

499
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:10:18pm
500
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:13:36pm
501
BeachDem  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:13:47pm

re: #489 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

[Embedded content]

a wimpier? Is that like

502
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:17:49pm
503
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:18:52pm

Today in boogaloser news (Loveland CO):
ROOFING COMPANY WORKERS FORCED ONTO GROUND, HELD AT GUNPOINT BY MAN WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE ANTIFA

“The men weren’t troublemakers - they work for a local roofing company and were wearing blue polo shirts with the firm’s name on them, shorts, tennis shoes and white surgical-style masks, (police chief) Shaffer said.

One of them is a Colorado State University football player who is 20 years old and works part-time at the roofing company. The student is a ‘man of color,’ according to a statement from the university.”

504
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:27:46pm
505
Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:38:55pm
506
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:45:08pm
507
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:45:49pm

So, true to my word, I went out for a ride. I took Dreadnought, 22# of blood red Italian steel and polished aluminum. Just the thing for an old fat guy like me!

Here’s a ride pic. Full marks to the first person who can tell me where I took it.

508
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:47:30pm
509
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:47:56pm

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

There won’t even BE an America in the next century if we let this happen.

510
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:51:29pm

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

It’s easy to be purer than thou when you got nothing to lose.

511
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:52:07pm

re: #509 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There won’t even BE an America in the next century if we let this happen.

Or if it is, one we barely recognize. The past three 1/2 years. Man.

512
Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:52:30pm

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They have the right tools to enforce social distancing.

513
FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:54:24pm

re: #510 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s easy to be purer than thou when you got nothing to lose.

More like easier to be purer and expect the perfect when you already have your own and expect that you can survive more Trump if you have to.

514
Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:55:58pm

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

“Thousands of mostly African American churchgoers…”

Why not just “Thousands of churchgoers…”?

You know why

515
plansbandc  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:56:55pm

516
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:57:43pm

re: #513 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

More like easier to be purer and expect the perfect when you already have your own and expect that you can survive more Trump if you have to.

Yep.

517
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:58:35pm

re: #515 plansbandc

[Embedded content]

I mean, all she had to do was comply, amirite?
(not enough ////s in the world)

518
Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 2:59:57pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

YIKES

[Embedded content]

“We shouldn’t impose our will on others”

Unless of course you are a female wanting to control her own body.

519
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:02:11pm

re: #518 Eventual Carrion

Unless of course you are a female wanting to control her own body.

Or a black man doing, well, anything.

520
Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:04:18pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

SPEAK!

[Embedded content]

I haven’t read down the thread but”the only” really?

Telephone
Television
Radio
Airplanes
Automobiles

521
Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:10:57pm

re: #488 stpaulbear

An Incapacitor.

See the bus analogy upthread
Will voting green party get you closer to having your views actually enacted?
If not then vote biden

522
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:12:48pm

re: #520 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I haven’t read down the thread but”the only” really?

Telephone
Television
Radio
Airplanes
Automobiles

[Embedded content]

My grandfather was born before powered flight, motion pictures, radio, television, automobiles, atomic weapons and power, antibiotics, molecular biology, and of course computers.

By the time he died, man had walked on the Moon and he’d seen it, live on television.

523
danarchy  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:14:27pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

That picture is from July of 2019, long before Covid. Of course she was wearing a mask because there was already disease spreading in the detention facilities, so I can’t imagine it is any better now.

524
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:15:13pm
525
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:18:38pm
526
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:19:28pm

...

527
Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:20:09pm

CNN

“It has been a rough period for President Trump and the military leaders with his former defense secretary, retired Marine General James Mattis, assailing him for dividing the country — a sentiment given an ‘Amen’ by Trump’s former chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly — not to mention criticisms from Gen. Colin Powell, Adm. Bill McRaven, Gen. Martin Dempsey, Gen. John Allen and Adm. Mike Mullen.”

“The President and his supporters have had plenty of nasty things to say about these men who have served our country, of course. No need for me to report them. You all have access to Twitter.”

“There is one group of generals, however, that the President is standing firm with, dead racist losers — more specifically, the Confederate commanders after whom 10 Army bases are currently named.”

528
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:21:07pm
529
Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:21:36pm

“No thugs in our house, are there dear;
we made little Graham promise us he’d be a good boy”

530
PhillyPretzel  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:22:48pm

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

I went to Lorenzo the Cat a little earlier today and I agree.

531
Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:24:00pm
532
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2020 • 3:24:10pm
533
Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:02:55pm

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

So, true to my word, I went out for a ride. I took Dreadnought, 22# of blood red Italian steel and polished aluminum. Just the thing for an old fat guy like me!

Here’s a ride pic. Full marks to the first person who can tell me where I took it.

[Embedded content]

From a roadside?

534
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 14, 2020 • 4:11:58pm

re: #533 Eventual Carrion

From a roadside?

Ye-e-essss. But……..

535
Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2020 • 6:35:20pm

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

So, true to my word, I went out for a ride. I took Dreadnought, 22# of blood red Italian steel and polished aluminum. Just the thing for an old fat guy like me!

Here’s a ride pic. Full marks to the first person who can tell me where I took it.

[Embedded content]

From the side…. never mind


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