David Duke - A Racist ‘Republican’?

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At his Politico blog, Ben Smith casually smears the Republican Party by associating it with hatemonger David Duke, in a post on racist hatred for Michael Steele: Ben Smith’s Blog: Steele’s appeal (but not to David Duke).

One immediate consequence of Steele’s ascent, though: Real hysteria on the racist fringe of the Republican Party, where David Duke (still around!) branded Steele a “black racist” and his fellow Republicans “traitors.”

Apparently Smith isn’t aware that David Duke began his political career as a Democrat, running for the Louisiana Senate in 1975, and in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1988. Smith could just as accurately have described Duke as belonging to the “racist fringe” of the Democratic Party—but this doesn’t fit into his ideological bias.

UPDATE at 2/2/09 9:49:49 am:

To drive the point home, the Republican Leadership Council has strongly denounced Duke.

Washington, DC — Mark Miller, Executive Director of the Republican Leadership Council (RLC), today applauded RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson for his swift denunciation of David Duke and called on other Republicans to publicly oppose the candidacy of the former Klansman and neo-Nazi sympathizer.

“Republicans of every ideological persuasion can agree that David Duke’s latest foray into GOP electoral politics must be opposed, and his candidacy for the House of Representatives denied legitimacy,” said Miller. “We applaud RNC Chairman Nicholson’s quick opposition to Duke’s divisive agenda, and we call on other conservative leaders and groups to state for the record their opposition to his candidacy.”

“We ask Chairman Nicholson to help us recruit and fully fund a viable Republican primary opponent to oppose Duke’s message of intolerance,” added Miller.

“I hope we can all show solidarity as a Party, and state unequivocally, that David Duke cannot, should not and will not be permitted to advance his agenda under the auspices of the Republican Party,” concluded Miller.

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268 comments
1 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:40:19am
2 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:40:43am

Real Republicans do not dislike Michael Steele, in my opinion. He is exactly the type of person this party needs for 2010 and 2012.

3 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:41:04am

How old is Ben Smith?

4 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:41:48am

Funny.

No mention of the black Democrats that threw Oreo cookies at Steele during that failed election.

5 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:41:59am

re: #3 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How old is Ben Smith?

Apparently not old enough to know the facts.

6 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:01am

Let's face it, most people probably think Lincoln was a Democrat.

7 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:13am
8 Steve Rogers  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:14am

I suspect this is priming the public to be ready for the onslaught of screams of, "Racism!" every time anyone dares oppose any policy offered up by Obama.

9 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:24am

I thought the Republican Party disowned David Duke.

10 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:42:43am

re: #9 Lee Coller

I thought the Republican Party disowned David Duke.

They did.

11 Kragar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:43:04am

Never let silly things like facts get in the way of a good rant.

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?

12 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:43:19am

David Duke is merely an English professor who lives down the street.

13 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:43:50am

re: #5 Wyatt Earp

Apparently not old enough to know the facts.

Precisely what I was thinking.

14 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:43:58am

Interesting given people like Senator Robert Byrd and former Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black were both Klansmen when they entered both jobs.

15 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:44:12am

re: #2 Wyatt Earp

Real Republicans do not dislike Michael Steele, in my opinion. He is exactly the type of person this party needs for 2010 and 2012.

I agree with you.
I clicked through to the Duke site and read his article - the man is seriously seriously deranged.

16 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:44:36am

Democrats voted for Obama precisely because of his color and despite his glaring lack of experience and personal character, in ironic contravention of MLK's dream of a color, race-blind nation. Republicans elevate people like Steele (and Palin, and that guy in Louisiana who is Vietnamese) based on merit, rather than race or gender. Yet somehow the Republicans are the bad guys.

17 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:44:46am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

Let's face it, most people probably think Lincoln was a Democrat.

Also - MLK Jr.
Wasn't he registered Republican? Or am I confused?

18 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:44:49am

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I agree with you.
I clicked through to the Duke site and read his article - the man is seriously seriously deranged.

Which is why Smith is trying to link him to the GOP, of course! *spits*

19 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:01am
20 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:02am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

Let's face it, most people probably think Lincoln was a Democrat.

from what i can see, most people don't think........

21 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:11am

re: #16 Diamond Bullet

Democrats voted for Obama precisely because of his color and despite his glaring lack of experience and personal character, in ironic contravention of MLK's dream of a color, race-blind nation. Republicans elevate people like Steele (and Palin, and that guy in Louisiana who is Vietnamese) based on merit, rather than race or gender. Yet somehow the Republicans are the bad guys.

The guy in Louisiana is Indian.

22 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:12am

I saw a story noting this moron Duke yesterday and didn't feel compelled to read what this freak had to say. Apparently though, the media has no problem giving the guy traffic.

Idiots.

23 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:14am

What party does Duke belong to now?

24 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What party does Duke belong to now?

To quote the cop in The Blues Brothers: "The f**king Nazi Party."

25 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:06am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What party does Duke belong to now?

R

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

I'm pretty sure he's currently a Republican.

27 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:34am

re: #21 reine.de.tout

The guy in Louisiana is Indian.

and a Creationist.....

/just sayin

28 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:37am

Oh - and Senator Al Gore Sr. was a segregationist.

29 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:44am

Racists belong to one party, it's their tribe.

30 AemJeff  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:46:58am

I'd say that Bobby Jindal is proof that the Republican party, even in Duke's home state isn't racist. But the party and the "fringe" aren't the same thing are they? And that fringe certainly exists, notwithstanding Duke's origins in the Democratic party of thirty or more years ago.

31 redc1c4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:05am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure he's currently claiming to be a Republican.

FTFY!

32 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #27 redc1c4

and a Creationist.....

/just sayin

Yep.
And his name is Bobby Jindal, for the guy posting earlier who couldn't recall the name.

33 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:11am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure he's currently a Republican.

Yes, but in name only.

34 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:16am

The facts get in the way.

35 Sizzlack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:32am

I call David Duke David Shuke.

Shuke being a combination of the words sh*t and puke.

36 Steve Rogers  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:47:56am

"There is no room in the party of Lincoln for a Klansman like David Duke."
--Republican Party Chairman Jim Nicholson

I found that quote in less than 30 seconds. I guess Ben Smith doesn't know how to use Google.

37 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:48:06am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never let silly things like facts get in the way of a good rant.

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?

"The issue isn't whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests. We did."

38 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:48:07am

re: #33 Wyatt Earp

Yes, but in name only.

The Republicans are the party of Lincoln, and this is one place where the term "RINO" truly does fit.

39 Desert Dog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:48:50am

Ben has it backwards. The real racists reside in the "big tent" over with the Dems. They are the ones that separate and judge people based the color of their skin, not the Republicans. The difference between David Duke and the SOB Racists over on the Dem side is the Republicans disowned and tossed that MF out of the party. The Democrats keep theirs around and make lame excuses and rationalizations for them.

40 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:49:04am

Truth be known, David Duke is more like 0bama than any other politician out there today.

He preached from atop a crate he carried with him on the LSU campus in the seventies, using his charisma and snake-oil salesman ways to lure students into his divisive ideologies.

He had that same charm and natural magnetism as 0bama. Racist to the core.

He has always reminded me of Ted Bundy.

41 Spiritualized  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:49:08am

The guy that bre: #15 reine.de.tout

I agree with you.
I clicked through to the Duke site and read his article - the man is seriously seriously deranged.

Pick a Kos/Huffpo diarist that writes about Israel and you'll see exactly the same stuff.

42 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:49:21am

Post racial.

43 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:49:38am

re: #39 Desert Dog

Ben has it backwards. The real racists reside in the "big tent" over with the Dems. They are the ones that separate and judge people based the color of their skin, not the Republicans. The difference between David Duke and the SOB Racists over on the Dem side is the Republicans disowned and tossed that MF out of the party. The Democrats keep theirs around and make lame excuses and rationalizations for them.

Like Senator Byrd's assertions that he only joined the KKK to "fight communism."

44 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:49:50am

re: #16 Diamond Bullet

Democrats voted for Obama precisely because of his color and despite his glaring lack of experience and personal character, in ironic contravention of MLK's dream of a color, race-blind nation. Republicans elevate people like Steele (and Palin, and that guy in Louisiana who is Vietnamese) based on merit, rather than race or gender. Yet somehow the Republicans are the bad guys.

All you say above is illustrative of the power of the MFM. They set the agenda and the tone of the debate - actual facts be damned. This country will never be free until the MFM is taken down and it needs to be taken down with a goddammed wrecking ball......

45 vxbush  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:50:13am

Research skills are not necessary for modern-day journalists. It makes the job easier.

46 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:50:40am

About 10 years or so ago, a local State College held a political "forum," with David Duke invited as the Republican. It came out about a week after the forum that David Duke was not a Republican, but the harm had been done, the Republicans had been slimed. One of the groups that put on the forum was Mecha. [youbetcha]

47 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:51:12am

William F Buckley also purged the party of its nuts.

The Dems have yet to.

48 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:51:43am

re: #47 Ben Hur

William F Buckley also purged the party of its nuts.

The Dems have yet to.

If they did there would be no party.

49 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:51:50am

I took a glance at his 'about' and I didn't see an immediate party affiliation being claimed.

And I'm digging any deeper on that site.

Blood pressure must stay low...

50 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #47 Ben Hur

William F Buckley also purged the party of its nuts.

The Dems have yet to.

More nuts than Mr. Peanut's pool party

51 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure he's currently a Republican.

Actually, he's been pretty much hounded out of the Republican Party and shut out of everything they can shut him out of, but there's no way to stop anyone from calling themselves a Republican if they want to. Smith's linkage is crap.

52 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:52:44am

Yeah, but that's the way it's always portrayed. Growing up in Alabama, I learned that all the famous racists (Wallace, Connor, Folsom, Maddux, etc.) were all Democrats. Knowing this is one of the reasons I left my family's tradition of being Democrats. Up here in New York, everyone is under the highly mistaken impression that they were Republicans. But that's because they've been taught the exact opposite of the truth. And Ben Smith is just another misinformed tool.

53 Ben Hur  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:52:58am

re: #49 Van Helsing

Why give him the traffic?

54 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:17am

Don't you guys know your history? All those Southern Republican governors opposed desegregation, and it was only the brave actions of Democrat President Nixon that set things right. It says so right here, in the New York Times: How a Republican Desegregated the South's Schools.

Wait, what?

55 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:20am

Not. Not digging any deeper.
Preview is somebody else's friend today.

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #40 pink freud

Truth be known, David Duke is more like 0bama than any other politician out there today.

He preached from atop a crate he carried with him on the LSU campus in the seventies, using his charisma and snake-oil salesman ways to lure students into his divisive ideologies.

He had that same charm and natural magnetism as 0bama. Racist to the core.

He has always reminded me of Ted Bundy.

They're also called tent preachers.

57 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:51am

re: #45 vxbush

Research skills are not necessary for modern-day journalists. It makes the job easier.

Authentic Document creation is helpful.

58 Boxy_brown  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:53:57am

So duke was a real "RINO"...

So that's what they look like.

59 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:54:59am

Just a little OT rant.

George Will's column today is actually interesting:

George Will

From the column:

The report says that in 25 years the portion of the population 65 and older will increase from 12 percent to 20 percent, while the share of the population that is working and paying taxes will decrease from 60 percent to 55 percent. If Medicare spending continues to grow, as it has for four decades, more than one and a half times as fast as the economy, the big three entitlements, which currently are 44 percent of all federal expenditures (excluding interest costs of the national debt), will be 65 percent by 2030. Under current law, 30 years from now government revenues will cover only half of anticipated expenditures.

Now Nancy Pelosi tried to get, what was it, $335 million into contraception, at the same time she wants to tax retirement dollars, and keeps pushing the failed policies of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

So let me see Nancy. You want to increase spending on these programs, while at the same time encouraging people to have fewer children.

You're an idiot. Who's gonna pay down the line?

60 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #57 monkeytime

Authentic Document creation is helpful.


Oops - Meant "Authentic" Document creation is helpful...ala Rather.

61 faraway  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:55:17am

Ben Smith is a classically trained journalist.

62 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #51 Charles

As a member of the Republican party does he still get GoP funding for campaigns? Maybe the Republicans need to change the rules to get rid of creeps like Duke and Ron Paul.

63 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:56:00am
64 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:56:35am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Soylent Green for everyone!

Yeah, and every year I look more and more like Edward G. Robinson.

Sigh.

65 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:56:56am

re: #53 Ben Hur

See my correction.

He was at one point an elected official.
As was George Wallace - Democrat.

I've ranted at length before about how the most vile, racist scum had their roots as democrats, but somehow the republicans never seem to get the message out.

I just wanted to see if Duke claimed the usual (d) party affiliation of the worst this country has to offer.

66 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:25am

re: #40 pink freud

Truth be known, David Duke is more like 0bama than any other politician out there today.

He preached from atop a crate he carried with him on the LSU campus in the seventies, using his charisma and snake-oil salesman ways to lure students into his divisive ideologies.

He had that same charm and natural magnetism as 0bama. Racist to the core.

He has always reminded me of Ted Bundy.

Great comparison!
Yes, now that you mention it - very charismatic, good-looking, and just as evil as Bundy.

67 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:28am

re: #61 faraway

Ben Smith is a classically trained journalist.

Yeah. Classically stupid.

68 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:34am

re: #59 subsailor68

Just a little OT rant.

George Will's column today is actually interesting:

George Will

From the column:

The report says that in 25 years the portion of the population 65 and older will increase from 12 percent to 20 percent, while the share of the population that is working and paying taxes will decrease from 60 percent to 55 percent. If Medicare spending continues to grow, as it has for four decades, more than one and a half times as fast as the economy, the big three entitlements, which currently are 44 percent of all federal expenditures (excluding interest costs of the national debt), will be 65 percent by 2030. Under current law, 30 years from now government revenues will cover only half of anticipated expenditures.

Now Nancy Pelosi tried to get, what was it, $335 million into contraception, at the same time she wants to tax retirement dollars, and keeps pushing the failed policies of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

So let me see Nancy. You want to increase spending on these programs, while at the same time encouraging people to have fewer children.

You're an idiot. Who's gonna pay down the line?

the leftover people with money...we will all be equally poor, the feds will own the economy and to eat we will take any work to be had...communism

69 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #61 faraway

Ben Smith is a classically trained journalist.

If you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all.

70 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

As a member of the Republican party does he still get GoP funding for campaigns?

I don't know but I seriously doubt it.

71 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:47am
72 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:57:56am

re: #64 subsailor68

Yeah, and every year I look more and more like Edward G. Robinson.

Sigh.

Where's your Messiah now?

73 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:07am

re: #65 Van Helsing

somehow the republicans never seem to get the message out.


Reckon it has something to do with media bias?

74 vagabond trader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #52 thefallingman

Too true. When I have pointed out to D's that the roots of Southern racism is almost exclusively owned by democrats, I have been met with disbelief.

75 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:42am

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Good morning reine! I am most impressed by the cookbook cover. Can't wait for it to be released. :-)

76 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

Let's face it, most people probably think Lincoln was a Democrat.

reminds me of a man on the street question circa august 2008

Q "which party is currently in charge of the House of Representatives"
A "the Republicans I think, George Bush is Republican an he's the presdent so yeah, the republicans have the house and senate"

Logic and knowledge of our governmental system at it's finest.

77 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:57am

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What party does Duke belong to now?

According to his Wikipedia entry, David Duke was a Democrat at least as far back as 1975, when he ran for the Louisiana state senate. In 1988, he ran in the Democratic primary for president. Then he ran in the general election in the Independent Populist party. Then, apparently at the end of 1988, he switched his affiliation to Republican.

Duke has an official website, where you can read his thoughts on various matters, and he also posts sometimes at the neo-Nazi stormfront.org website.

78 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:58:59am

I was under the impression--from Internet hearsay [sic]--that Politico was a respectable outlet. What happened?

...it isn't the Republican party that is obsessed with race. Last I saw, the Democrats' raison d'être was to keep Blacks and Mexicans on the plantation in order to harvest their unthinking votes.

79 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:59:19am

re: #68 albusteve

the leftover people with money...we will all be equally poor, the feds will own the economy and to eat we will take any work to be had...communism

With all the pork and other b.s. in the "stimulus" package, I fear you're right. Government is "buying" into banks, the auto industry, and who knows what else. They might as well subsidize the porn industry. They could use the product as training videos on what they're doing to the rest of us.

80 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:59:27am

re: #70 Charles

I don't know but I seriously doubt it.

Can they deny him any money, or are there some minimums?

81 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:59:37am

re: #75 pink freud

Good morning reine! I am most impressed by the cookbook cover. Can't wait for it to be released. :-)

you can thank Jaunte for that cover, and flakmusic for the back cover!

82 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:59:42am

re: #74 vagabond trader

Too true. When I have pointed out to D's that the roots of Southern racism is almost exclusively owned by democrats, I have been met with disbelief.

there is no history, only fairytales and make believe

83 Kragar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:59:53am

re: #46 Golem Akbar

About 10 years or so ago, a local State College held a political "forum," with David Duke invited as the Republican. It came out about a week after the forum that David Duke was not a Republican, but the harm had been done, the Republicans had been slimed. One of the groups that put on the forum was Mecha. [youbetcha]

David Duke and Mecha are 2 peas in the same pod.

84 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:11am
85 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #72 Wyatt Earp

Where's your Messiah now?

Oh man, now you're dating both of us!

:-)

86 Golem Akbar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:31am

David Duke and Patrick Buchanan both are no longer welcome in the Republican Party. Good for the GOP.

87 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:32am

re: #59 subsailor68

Just a little OT rant.

George Will's column today is actually interesting:

George Will

From the column:

The report says that in 25 years the portion of the population 65 and older will increase from 12 percent to 20 percent, while the share of the population that is working and paying taxes will decrease from 60 percent to 55 percent. If Medicare spending continues to grow, as it has for four decades, more than one and a half times as fast as the economy, the big three entitlements, which currently are 44 percent of all federal expenditures (excluding interest costs of the national debt), will be 65 percent by 2030. Under current law, 30 years from now government revenues will cover only half of anticipated expenditures.

Now Nancy Pelosi tried to get, what was it, $335 million into contraception, at the same time she wants to tax retirement dollars, and keeps pushing the failed policies of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

So let me see Nancy. You want to increase spending on these programs, while at the same time encouraging people to have fewer children.

You're an idiot. Who's gonna pay down the line?

That's why they want to open up the borders. Let the illegal aliens pay. Oh wait, they don't pay taxes?
Well, some do, because the employers need to withhold.
/

88 Lincolntf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:35am

I've gotten into the bad habit of reading the comments attached to links like Ben Smith, Kos, etc. I gotta hand it to the few conservatives who seem to get into conversations with the Libs. I wouldn't be able to deal with it on those sites. What a bunch of deluded poltroons.

89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:00:40am

re: #57 monkeytime

Authentic Document creation evolution is helpful.

/

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:01:11am

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

I tried googling around about candidate funding but I still don't know how the system works.

91 Randall Gross  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:01:38am

Typically you can't get party money unless you win a primary, don't think Duke ever did that.

92 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:01:39am

re: #79 subsailor68

With all the pork and other b.s. in the "stimulus" package, I fear you're right. Government is "buying" into banks, the auto industry, and who knows what else. They might as well subsidize the porn industry. They could use the product as training videos on what they're doing to the rest of us.

the schools, the unions....soon the MSM....the healthcare industry etc etc

93 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:01:41am

re: #52 thefallingman

Your avatar is beautiful.
You?
Your son?

lllll

94 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:02:03am

re: #77 Last Mohican

In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have posted a link directly to David Duke's disgusting racist website. On the one hand, the best disinfectant is light, and, as Duke sometimes attempts to pass himself off as a civilized human being, it's useful to read his own words and see what a slimeball he is. On the other hand, I know that some people think it's bad to link directly to Neonazi websites and the like.

95 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:02:14am

re: #87 Kosh's Shadow

That's why they want to open up the borders. Let the illegal aliens pay. Oh wait, they don't pay taxes?
Well, some do, because the employers need to withhold.
/

I sometimes think that's behind the push to "legalize" 'em. If they're legal, it's easier to tax them, and generate revenue. Of course, since the economy is sinking like a submarine with screen doors, a good percentage are going back home.

Oops.

96 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:02:26am

re: #73 redstateredneck

Reckon it has something to do with media bias?

Yes. Yes it does, but on the other side they suck at making the message clear.

Example that sticks in my mind best is nobody in in the GOP howling loud and long about stopping automatic is NOT budget 'slashing'.

Maybe the MSMs control was that tight. Dunno. Hard tell if ALL ends up on the cutting room floor (/dev/null).

97 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

Can they deny him any money, or are there some minimums?

I would imagine they [RNC] are under no obligation to award money to anyone. It should be completely discretionary with them having the ability to turn away any unsavory/unworthy character they want. Otherwise, any fool could shout, "I'm a Republican and want to run for office," and be awarded money.

98 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #84 buzzsawmonkey

Then my unicorn is on its way?

yes weedhoppa...go back to sleep now....you need your rest to pick lettuce tomarrow

99 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:03:16am
100 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #92 albusteve

the schools, the unions....soon the MSM....the healthcare industry etc etc

Yep. Who was it who wrote something like: If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's "free"?

101 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #62 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - don't know about Ron Paul, but I think the new Chairman of the Republican Party, Michael Steele will ensure that David Duke gets 0 dollars from the RNC.
David Duke is just like Pat Buchannan, only not as well spoken!

102 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.

103 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I tried googling around about candidate funding but I still don't know how the system works.

call the Saudis....maybe they'll be more cooperatve

104 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #59 subsailor68

Just a little OT rant.

Now Nancy Pelosi tried to get, what was it, $335 million into contraception, at the same time she wants to tax retirement dollars, and keeps pushing the failed policies of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

So let me see Nancy. You want to increase spending on these programs, while at the same time encouraging people to have fewer children.

You're an idiot. Who's gonna pay down the line?

Why do you think they want unlimited immigration, illegal or not? Of course, if we hadn't aborted 40 million future taxpayers over the last few decades, we wouldn't have this problem. The U.S. is looking more like Idiocracy all the time.

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:03am

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Just saw pink freud's comment about the cookbook cover -- went to see for myself.

LOL!
It's GREAT!
*rimshot* to jaunte!

When will it be ready to ship?

/going back to finish reading all those titles on the bookshelves!

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:12am

re: #79 subsailor68

With all the pork and other b.s. in the "stimulus" package, I fear you're right. Government is "buying" into banks, the auto industry, and who knows what else. They might as well subsidize the porn industry. They could use the product as training videos on what they're doing to the rest of us.

You know what's going to happen. They're not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it's all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it's a better bill, it's now bipartisan, it's... it's...

It's an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

107 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:13am

re: #85 subsailor68

Oh man, now you're dating both of us!

:-)

Sorry, but it's still a riot to see him in the Ten Commandments.

108 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #100 subsailor68

Yep. Who was it who wrote something like: If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's "free"?

P.J. O'Rourke.

109 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:53am

Please don't link to Duke's hate site.

110 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #81 reine.de.tout

you can thank Jaunte for that cover, and flakmusic for the back cover!

and Reine for everything in between!
:D

111 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:02am

re: #102 Scion9

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.


he won.

112 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #102 Scion9

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.

Yes, he won - and he's a Republican

Link

113 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:56am

This was on WTIC.com today.

Dodd Says He'll Refinance Countrywide Loans

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd says he'll refinance two mortgages that he received through a VIP program from Countrywide Financial Corp.

Dodd told reporters in his Hartford office Monday that the mortgages for his homes in Washington and East Haddam, Conn. will be refinanced with a different company.

The chairman of the Senate Banking Committee says a third party will be involved in choosing the new bank.

Dodd has acknowledged receiving mortgages in 2003 through a VIP program at Countrywide, which was sold to Bank of America Corp. earlier this year and has been the focus of allegations that it gave favorable loan terms to lawmakers.

Dodd says he's moving the loans in part because he was wrongfully labeled a friend of Countrywide's former CEO, Angelo Mozilo. Dodd says he never sought special treatment.

114 pink freud  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:05:57am

re: #102 Scion9

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.

He won! Took William "Freezer" Jefferson's seat.

115 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #102 Scion9

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.

the skinny I heard from my Texas buddies, he's retiring and his son is gonna go for the seat...

116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #86 Golem Akbar

David Duke and Patrick Buchanan both are no longer welcome in the Republican Party. Good for the GOP.

No Patty Duke!

117 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:06:31am

re: #104 doppelganglander

Why do you think they want unlimited immigration, illegal or not? Of course, if we hadn't aborted 40 million future taxpayers over the last few decades, we wouldn't have this problem. The U.S. is looking more like Idiocracy all the time.

Some of those 'future taxpayers' might have become conservatives.

The immigrants of the illegal type get free stuff. What's not to love?

118 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:06:35am

re: #91 Thanos

Typically you can't get party money unless you win a primary, don't think Duke ever did that.

He was in La. Legislature for awhile.

119 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:06:58am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I tried googling around about candidate funding but I still don't know how the system works.

Candidates have 3 sources of funding -

1) their pockets
2) donations
3) party/pac contributions
(presidential candidates can get money from uncle sam, but they are the exception)

The party contributions go to candidates based on viability. Because of that system, EMILY's List was formed - Early Money Is Like Yeast. They would find otherwise "non-viable" women candidates who towed the line on liberal causes and gave them seed money so that they could show a bank statement (literally) to big donors and party bosses so as to be "viable".

Duke will never get a cent from the party.

120 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:07:11am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

I tried googling around about candidate funding but I still don't know how the system works.

So did I. Found plenty on how to donate, but not much about how the funds are distributed!

121 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:07:27am

re: #108 Dianna

P.J. O'Rourke.

Ah yes! Thanks Dianna!

:-)

122 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm not.

They want stimulus? Quit taking MY fucking money!

123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #104 doppelganglander

Why do you think they want unlimited immigration, illegal or not? Of course, if we hadn't aborted 40 million future taxpayers over the last few decades, we wouldn't have this problem. The U.S. is looking more like Idiocracy all the time.

Vote for President Camacho!

124 realwest  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:08:09am

re: #102 Scion9
I can't remember his name either, but he won. Big.

125 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #105 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just saw pink freud's comment about the cookbook cover -- went to see for myself.

LOL!
It's GREAT!
*rimshot* to jaunte!

When will it be ready to ship?

/going back to finish reading all those titles on the bookshelves!

It's about ready.
I ordered a copy to 'preview" to make sure everything is OK and it prints like we want it to. If there are glitches, we can fix 'em before anybody buys a copy. If no glitches, then as soon as I check out the book, I will post a link in that blog to the sale page.

126 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #102 Scion9

Paul is a sitting Congressmen, not much chance of getting rid of him. Even when he leaves office, he has been in so long that it would be worse PR to draw attention to him by kicking him out.

Also, there was in fact a Vietnamese businessman in Louisiana that was running for either State or National legislature this past election cycle as a Republican, but I can't remember his name now. I never followed up on how his run went.

Anh "Joseph" Cao, and he won.

127 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:08:47am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

You know what's going to happen. They're not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it's all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it's a better bill, it's now bipartisan, it's... it's...

It's an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

Hmm....let's see, you wrote four paragraphs.

And I agree completely with every one of them.

128 neocon hippie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:08:52am

OT:

The Obama backlash may be beginning. From a big Obama fan:


I think Obama has completley dropped the ball in the way he handled this bailout bill. He should have not allowed it to be so full of pork.

I hope he learns from this, because its a MAJOR fuckup.

Well, duh. Pork is the main premise of these bailout.

Obama is going to leave a lot of disappointed people in his wake.

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:10:08am

Duke does appear to be self funded.....
Committees Who Gave To This Candidate

130 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #110 redstateredneck

and Reine for everything in between!
:D

aw.
*blush*

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:10:25am

re: #125 reine.de.tout

It's about ready.
I ordered a copy to 'preview" to make sure everything is OK and it prints like we want it to. If there are glitches, we can fix 'em before anybody buys a copy. If no glitches, then as soon as I check out the book, I will post a link in that blog to the sale page.

Thanks!

/can I get a copy of Whacking Etiquette, by Mandy?

132 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:10:29am

Some of my favorite quotes from a famous Democrat. My very favorite being the one about Abe Lincoln not being a Republican.

133 Last Mohican  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:10:58am

re: #109 Charles

Please don't link to Duke's hate site.

Sorry Charles. Please feel free to delete my comment if you wish.

Folks, it's out there, it's extremely disgusting, and you can google his name if you really want to find it. Suffice to say that neither the Democratic nor the Republican party would tolerate this kind of filth, and it would be utterly misleading to identify David Duke as either a Republican or a former Democrat.

134 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:11:03am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

No Committees Gave To This Candidate


LOL!

135 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:11:34am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

You know what's going to happen. They're not going to remove much from that bill, but they will PUT IN stuff the Republicans want, and when it's all done, the bill will have 300-400 MORE billions in it.

And the Republicans will let that fly. You watch. Why, because the bottom line is special interests have both sides in their pocket, and the Republicans will simply be paying off their friends, and it will look the the Dems are doing it.

But, tons of Americans will say, well, it's a better bill, it's now bipartisan, it's... it's...

It's an illusion, and you all are falling for the trick.

You sound like TFK, only better written.
You're probably right, though.

136 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:11:50am

re: #132 maddogg

Some of my favorite quotes from a famous Democrat. My very favorite being the one about Abe Lincoln not being a Republican.

I needed that sad yet true bit of humor.
Thanks.

137 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:12:05am
138 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:12:18am
139 medaura18586  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:12:18am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Duke does appear to be self funded.....
Committees Who Gave To This Candidate

I thought with Buchanan and Paul dancing in circles, the market for racist/wacko nonsense was fully saturated. Guess not...

140 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:12:41am

re: #122 Van Helsing

I'm not.

They want stimulus? Quit taking MY fucking money!

That was the "universal" "you all."

141 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:12:48am

re: #134 redstateredneck

Here's McCain's page. If Duke was getting party money the FEC would have listed in under committees. I'm very relieved he's not getting GoP money.

142 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:11am

re: #117 Van Helsing

Some of those 'future taxpayers' might have become conservatives.

The immigrants of the illegal type get free stuff. What's not to love?

That's just it. Illegal immigrants are disproportionately poor and low-skilled. Even if they pay taxes (and some do), it isn't much because they don't earn much. I can't lay my hands on it right now, but there's a study indicating that illegal immigrants consume more in services than they produce in tax revenue. (There's probably another study asserting exactly the opposite, but based on what I see at my local public health department, emergency rooms, and elementary schools, I pick the former.)

143 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:17am

re: #93 Eowyn2
Me and my nephew. I made him salute me the day he graduated Marine boot camp. When he went in he didn't believe that Marines had to salute Army officers. He learned different.

144 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:21am

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

You sound like TFK, only better written.
You're probably right, though.

Sort of like TFk on the proper meds. Gee, thanks, I think.

:)

145 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:23am

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I knew Barry was incompetent, corrupt, and a drug taker. I did not realize he was also so impenetrably stupid.

He's a Democrat.

146 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I knew Barry was incompetent, corrupt, and a drug taker. I did not realize he was also so impenetrably stupid.

John Wayne was a communist...I'm albusteve and I said so

147 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:13:50am

re: #108 Dianna

P.J. O'Rourke.

Free? You can't afford it!

148 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:14:24am

re: #74 vagabond trader

Too true. When I have pointed out to D's that the roots of Southern racism is almost exclusively owned by democrats, I have been met with disbelief.

This great lie of omission--thank you public schools, graduate schools and universities, and the mainstream media--has led to Blacks thinking the Democratic Party has had their best interests at heart for decades. Who opposed Civil Rights legislation? Democrats. Who founded the KKK? Democrats. Who treats Blacks, to this day, like pawns? Democrats. Who refuses to allow the decent, law-abiding people in inner cities to defend themselves legally with firearms? Democrats. Who rules the cities with the highest murder, crime, and poverty rates (disproportionately affecting Blacks)? Democrats.

And who do Blacks reflexively vote for like lemmings launching themselves from a precipice? Democrats.

149 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

That was the "universal" "you all."

I know for a fact it didn't include me...impossible

150 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

That was the "universal" "you all."

Yeah. Should've said 'OUR' F**** money.

And now, back to making some, and getting some bureaucrapic stuff done before the eldest son heads back to f***ing Baghdad.

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:14:46am

re: #130 reine.de.tout

Just read down the cookbook page to "Cover Art".

LOL
I mistook "Luthierfish - Killgore Trout"
Thought it was "Lutherfish"
Does kind of fit ... :-)

152 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #137 WriterMom

OT: Turkey-Jews Not Allowed, Dogs OK

O.K..... I give up. What's a "Turkey-Jew"? ;~)

153 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:15:08am

BTW - I keep getting mail, email and phone calls from McCain's new PAC "AmericaFirst".

I had no intention of giving until I started reading his statements on the Pork Now Stimulus Later Package that just sailed through Congress.

Anyone else getting pinged by them?

154 SagamoreGal  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:15:16am

Jindal's being an Indian doesn't count as a "minority" in the eyes of Dems.
Black is the new Black/Black is the old Black. Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are also welcome, as long as they keep voting Dem.

Asians (and I'm sure many Dems still refer to them as "Orientals" during many a cocktail hour) need not apply.

155 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:15:23am

re: #132 maddogg

Some of my favorite quotes from a famous Democrat. My very favorite being the one about Abe Lincoln not being a Republican.

example of the danger of affirmative action

156 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #152 eschew_obfuscation

O.K..... I give up. What's a "Turkey-Jew"? ;~)

Are there Tofuti-Jews too? .... I'm just sayin' is all

(have I irritated you all yet?)

157 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:15:46am

re: #147 debutaunt

Free? You can't afford it!

TAANSTAAFL, don't you know.

158 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #142 doppelganglander

That's just it. Illegal immigrants are disproportionately poor and low-skilled. Even if they pay taxes (and some do), it isn't much because they don't earn much. I can't lay my hands on it right now, but there's a study indicating that illegal immigrants consume more in services than they produce in tax revenue. (There's probably another study asserting exactly the opposite, but based on what I see at my local public health department, emergency rooms, and elementary schools, I pick the former.)

it's not the revenue it's the votes that will soak you for it

159 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:16:45am

New appeal to keep all the Pork in the "stimulus" bill ...

"Can't we all just get along?"

160 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:17:39am

re: #133 Last Mohican

Sorry Charles. Please feel free to delete my comment if you wish.

Folks, it's out there, it's extremely disgusting, and you can google his name if you really want to find it. Suffice to say that neither the Democratic nor the Republican party would tolerate this kind of filth, and it would be utterly misleading to identify David Duke as either a Republican or a former Democrat.

I agree, but Lib's can let Rev. Wright's comments slide.

Yes Duke is filth, but so is Rev. Wright.

161 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:18:00am
162 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #150 Van Helsing

Yeah. Should've said 'OUR' F**** money.

And now, back to making some, and getting some bureaucrapic stuff done before the eldest son heads back to f***ing Baghdad.

And a hearty "good for him" and I hope for his protection and safety.

163 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:18:15am

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I knew Barry was incompetent, corrupt, and a drug taker. I did not realize he was also so impenetrably stupid.

Excellent modifier!

164 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:18:48am

re: #142 doppelganglander

I live in Arizona. Wanna talk about hospitals shutting down because if they have an ER they have to treat EVERYONE. Period.

Change them to trauma centers and if you have a cold go to Walgreen's, dammit.

That goes for citizens, too.
I've had the happiness of sitting in an ER waiting for stitches (decades ago) while people with a fever got triaged.

People need to be smarter than Marion Berry.

165 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:19:00am
166 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #157 Dianna

(from last thread) Ah, coffee, finally.

167 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:19:12am

re: #152 eschew_obfuscation

LOL. That's jive, doncha know...for fool.

168 thefallingman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #74 vagabond trader
Absolutely. However, the truth is it has less to do with race and more to do with power. His first run at governor, Wallace hedged on race and lost to segregationist John Patterson. Wallace then became a staunch segregationist until blacks began to flex their voting muscle, and then he did a 180. Won his last term with something like 80% of the black vote (I'll have to look up the exact number). Wallace, like all dems was about the acquisition and maintenance power more than anything else.

169 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:19:53am

re: #142 doppelganglander


there's a study indicating that illegal immigrants consume more in services than they produce in tax revenue.

This is probably true of that ~40% of the population that is below the threshold of taxable income as well. Of course, part of that is because everything the Feds and State runs are so abysmally mismanaged that they are exorbitantly expensive beyond reason.

170 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:21:34am

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. I appreciate the thoughts.
I'm just not happy with combat vets being used as cops. I'm hoping it won't turn out that way.

171 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:21:36am

re: #164 Van Helsing

I live in Arizona. Wanna talk about hospitals shutting down because if they have an ER they have to treat EVERYONE. Period.

Change them to trauma centers and if you have a cold go to Walgreen's, dammit.

That goes for citizens, too.
I've had the happiness of sitting in an ER waiting for stitches (decades ago) while people with a fever got triaged.

People need to be smarter than Marion Berry.

I live in Texas and we're seeing the same thing. And it's only going to get worse. Michael Haydon (CIA) actually listed Mexico second on his list of problem areas. The Mexican government is getting closer and closer to complete collapse, and we'll see a flood of folks (okay, larger flood) once that happens IMHO.

172 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:22:06am

I love this: Stimulus Watch

That's why I love the internet - it makes keeping a really close eye on things like this possible.

173 medaura18586  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:22:34am

re: #153 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - I keep getting mail, email and phone calls from McCain's new PAC "AmericaFirst".

I had no intention of giving until I started reading his statements on the Pork Now Stimulus Later Package that just sailed through Congress.

Anyone else getting pinged by them?

I wouldn't waste my money on McCain. True, he's always been consistent re Pork, but that's not enough to salvage his horrendous economic policies. He may have been our president had he come out against the Bailout Bill, but he didn't. Although he seems to understand that Pork is plain wrong, he's still fiscally incontinent at heart.

Whether the "Stimulus" bill caters directly to narrow special interests (through slices of steamy pork pie) or not, it's still redistributive: it takes money from the pockets of private businesses and individuals and throws it at government-supervised/executed make-work projects. With what right!

And what's so economically stimulative about wealth redistribution? Getting hung up on Pork is to lose sight of the greater picture.

174 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:22:42am

re: #164 Van Helsing

That is really effing annoying and part of the reason why the Canadian system is bankrupt (among others). I've had to take my kid a number of times to the ER with life-threatening issues and seen people at triage because of ear infections.

175 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #157 Dianna

TAANSTAAFL, don't you know.

If the lunch is free, it aint fresh crab.

176 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:23:01am
177 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:23:10am

Ledeen has a history lesson for Obama, on talking to the the Iranians:

It seems the Clinton Administration had similar experiences. The president and Secretary of State Albright were so convinced that a grand bargain was within their grasp, that they publicly apologized to the Iranians for past presumed American sins. But Khamenei rudely brushed them aside; he was not interested in better relations with the Great Satan. This came as a great shock to the Americans, who had been negotiating for months, had lifted elements of the embargo, facilitated cultural exchanges, and the like. Ken Pollack summed it up like this:

In the Clinton Administration in 1999 and 2000, we tried, very hard, to put the grand bargain on the table. And we tried. We made 12 separate gestures to Iran to try to demonstrate to them that we really meant it, and we were really willing to go the full nine yards and put all of these big carrots on the table if the Iranians were willing to give us what we needed. And the Iranians couldn’t.

History repeats itself. First time as tragedy, then as farce. And then again with Obama in a pathetic re-run of Welcome Back Carter, a painfully unfunny sitcom about a remedial learning class for liberal diplomats.

178 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #167 WriterMom

[Link: www.boston.com...]


Mom, saw this in Boston Globe.

Supports Pope, but condemns comments, nothing like staying in the middle of the road

179 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:20am

re: #171 subsailor68

I live in Texas and we're seeing the same thing. And it's only going to get worse. Michael Haydon (CIA) actually listed Mexico second on his list of problem areas. The Mexican government is getting closer and closer to complete collapse, and we'll see a flood of folks (okay, larger flood) once that happens IMHO.

hopefully the won't come straight up the river to ABQ....there is nowhere to hide over here and Hispanic New Mexicans won't stand for it....donks that they are

180 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:23am

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

I knew Barry was incompetent, corrupt, and a drug taker. I did not realize he was also so impenetrably stupid.

181 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:31am

"History" is fungible. Whatever serves The Cause is valid. Don't you all know that the current world financial crisis is due to a lack of government intervention? What the world needs now is Socialism, and plenty of it. If that means bending a few rules when it comes to writing stories about the past, well, it's a small price to pay for the privilege of having the likes of Barack Obama in the White House. Now shut up and eat your pudding.

182 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:35am

re: #172 gmsc

I love this: Stimulus Watch

That's why I love the internet - it makes keeping a really close eye on things like this possible.

What a great site! Trust me, I'll be checking that one regularly. Thanks!

183 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:43am

re: #154 SagamoreGal

Jindal's being an Indian doesn't count as a "minority" in the eyes of Dems.
Black is the new Black/Black is the old Black. Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are also welcome, as long as they keep voting Dem.

Asians (and I'm sure many Dems still refer to them as "Orientals" during many a cocktail hour) need not apply.

If you work hard and, most importantly, eschew any victim status, it is impossible to be called a "minority" by the Left.

Think of all the obvious minority populations in America who are clearly non-white. Why are only Blacks and Mexicans given the vaunted status of "minority". Because they vote the right way, complain about the right things, and hold out their hands demanding that for which they have not achieved through hard work. [And I write this as a full-on mocha-skinned person.]

East Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Israelis, Laotians, Cambodians, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Mongolian, [...], about anyone from Africa, Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans, anti-Castro Cubans, [...] None qualify for "minority" status because they 1) Work hard 2) Appreciate being in America and 3) Do not demand that someone essentially pay them fealty on the basis of their consuming oxygen.

184 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #172 gmsc

I love this: Stimulus Watch

That's why I love the internet - it makes keeping a really close eye on things like this possible.

Shouldn't it be called "Pork Watch"?

185 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #172 gmsc

I love this: Stimulus Watch

That's why I love the internet - it makes keeping a really close eye on things like this possible.

Lord have mercy. The first thing that came up was $99K for doorbells on public housing in Laurel, Mississippi.

186 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:25:25am

re: #171 subsailor68

I live in Texas and we're seeing the same thing. And it's only going to get worse. Michael Haydon (CIA) actually listed Mexico second on his list of problem areas. The Mexican government is getting closer and closer to complete collapse, and we'll see a flood of folks (okay, larger flood) once that happens IMHO.

And our Beloved Leader has put '51ft ladder*' Napolitano in as head of Homeland Security.

I will give her credit for becoming somewhat smarter regarding border issues.

*"If you build a 50ft fence, they'll just get a 51ft ladder"

187 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:25:50am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

"Stimulus" sounds like a monster to be slain by some latter-day Hercules.

Would that we had one.

188 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:26:25am

re: #178 smokefire

Well, actually I think it's weasel talk:

"We are very sorry that the people in the Jewish community have been so pained and outraged by Bishop Williamson's statements," O'Malley wrote.

Sorry you feel bad, sorry you are offended...I think that sucks.

189 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:26:33am

re: #158 albusteve

it's not the revenue it's the votes that will soak you for it

That too. Although it's interesting, in Colorado (I think), about one-third of Hispanics voted Republican in November. The Democrats don't seem to have the lock on the Hispanic vote that they do on the black vote. And I strongly suspect that third consists of legal immigrants or natural-born citizens who are fed up with illegal immigration, too.

190 bellamags  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:00am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

"Stimulus" sounds like a monster to be slain by some latter-day Hercules.

Stimulus and Ream-us?

191 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:24am

re: #180 LGoPs

anyone that will call Jessica Simpson fat has got to be hitting the crack pipe just a bit too much.

What, Oprah, Michelle, Michael Moore, Joy Beyhar, Rosie O'Donnel, are slim?

192 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #187 redstateredneck

Would that we had one.


We do
She is forming a PAC now

193 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:33am

re: #186 Van Helsing

And our Beloved Leader has put '51ft ladder*' Napolitano in as head of Homeland Security.

I will give her credit for becoming somewhat smarter regarding border issues.

*"If you build a 50ft fence, they'll just get a 51ft ladder"

Well, even a busted clock is right twice a day.

:-)

I'm getting to the point where I think the government should invest in a product that's been around for a long time.

It's the one where the label on top reads "this side toward enemy".

(Only partially sarc)

194 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:34am

re: #180 LGoPs

"If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate."
"The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice."

I don't think any words exist to adequately describe Marion Barry's stupidity. Sand poundingly stupid comes ot mind.......
Oh. I forgot....it's us conservatives that are stupid.....
/

195 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:35am
196 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:27:57am

re: #171 subsailor68

I live in Texas and we're seeing the same thing. And it's only going to get worse. Michael Haydon (CIA) actually listed Mexico second on his list of problem areas. The Mexican government is getting closer and closer to complete collapse, and we'll see a flood of folks (okay, larger flood) once that happens IMHO.

The CIA only developed the collapses of Mexico and Pakistan as "What If?" scenarios for the purposes of long range planning and training. Read the Strategy Page report on the "collapse" report to get a better understanding of the true situation.

197 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #173 medaura18586

I wouldn't waste my money on McCain. True, he's always been consistent re Pork, but that's not enough to salvage his horrendous economic policies. He may have been our president had he come out against the Bailout Bill, but he didn't. Although he seems to understand that Pork is plain wrong, he's still fiscally incontinent at heart.

Whether the "Stimulus" bill caters directly to narrow special interests (through slices of steamy pork pie) or not, it's still redistributive: it takes money from the pockets of private businesses and individuals and throws it at government-supervised/executed make-work projects. With what right!

And what's so economically stimulative about wealth redistribution? Getting hung up on Pork is to lose sight of the greater picture.

Well put.

198 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:28:14am

re: #182 subsailor68

What a great site! Trust me, I'll be checking that one regularly. Thanks!

You're welcome.

199 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:28:30am

re: #190 bellamags

Stimulus, and Creamed Us.

200 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:24am

With all of the "Pork" and "Stimulus" being chased by Democrats, we should just call them "Barnyard Fetishists"

201 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #190 bellamags

Stimulus and Ream-us?

At this point I fear that the country needs Romulus to strip off 70 years of bullshit and get back to COUNTING ON OURSELVES.

Sorry, I'm a bit pissy today.
Make me Emperor for 2 years. That's all I ask...

202 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

(from last thread) Ah, coffee, finally.

Good! Life's always better with a cup of coffee clutched in one's shaking hand.

203 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #189 doppelganglander

That too. Although it's interesting, in Colorado (I think), about one-third of Hispanics voted Republican in November. The Democrats don't seem to have the lock on the Hispanic vote that they do on the black vote. And I strongly suspect that third consists of legal immigrants or natural-born citizens who are fed up with illegal immigration, too.

that would be good...illegals are highly resisted in any substantial numbers in NM....there are no funds for them here and Hispanics are ferociously patriotic as well...

204 gmsc  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:49am

re: #184 FrogMarch

Shouldn't it be called "Pork Watch"?

That's already taken - several times over!

205 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:29:51am

re: #188 WriterMom

Mom, I could not agree with you more.

Hmmm,
Sorry you were offended, but not sorry what was said.

Sure sounds like typical politico speak to me.

206 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:30:23am

re: #193 subsailor68

Nothing like a Claymore to say 'Keep Out'.

207 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #185 redstateredneck

Lord have mercy. The first thing that came up was $99K for doorbells on public housing in Laurel, Mississippi.

$500,000 dog park in Chula Vista, CA.

$200,000,000 for a light rail in Ohio. Not that I oppose the rail per se, but it will take more than a year to plan the rail system, let alone begin construction--that isn't stimulus, it's Ohio being rewarded for voting the "correct" way in 2008.

208 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:31:16am
209 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:14am

re: #186 Van Helsing

And our Beloved Leader has put '51ft ladder*' Napolitano in as head of Homeland Security.

I will give her credit for becoming somewhat smarter regarding border issues.

*"If you build a 50ft fence, they'll just get a 51ft ladder"

And you can certainly grow in office in other ways. Kirsten Gillibrand, Hillary's replacement in the senate, is already being intimidated by Hispanic interest groups into repudiating her previous support for immigration enforcement. What I wouldn't give to be in a position to show the big middle finger to those thugs. Kirsten apparently prefers to keep her job.

210 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:37am

As I recall, last summer Duke exhorted his minions, on his own hate site, to vote for the current occupant of the White House. Said it would hasten the longed-for race war. I refuse to go back and check its archives, as that smell doesn't wash off easily. But Duke's GOP bona fides are illusory at best. Michael Steele, on the other hand, is the real thing. And he can lead the party to great things.

211 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:32:38am

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

But so many people are claymoring to get in!

Come on in! It's a blast here!

212 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:33:03am
“We ask Chairman Nicholson to help us recruit and fully fund a viable Republican primary opponent to oppose Duke’s message of intolerance,” added Miller.

“I hope we can all show solidarity as a Party, and state unequivocally, that David Duke cannot, should not and will not be permitted to advance his agenda under the auspices of the Republican Party,” concluded Miller.

Right.

All due respect to Mr. Miller, but this is nothing more than window dressing... one-hundred percent pure, unadulterated bullshit.

I'll believe that they're serious about cleansing the Republican party of white supremacy and "intolerance" when they tackle their intolerant white supremacists in the anti-immigration movement.

Some of the racial hatred that I see flung at Mexicans and Hispanics - even those who are US Citizens - by Republicans who have a deep-seated and obvious hatred for anyone of hispanic descent - is nothing less than stomach churning.... and I don't say that lightly.

I've seen calls for mass deportation of US Citizens, and advocates for genocide, forced sterilization, and internment camps. I've seen Republicans suggest that we should send our men and women in uniform to the border, and shoot any and all Mexicans on sight.

I've seen all manner of evil spew from the fingertips of people who identify themselves as conservative Republicans. And not on fringe sites, either... I see it displayed frequently on mainstream conservative sites like Michelle Malkin, every single time an immigration-related post comes up.

When I call people on it, I'm immediately given lables like liberal/RINO and told to go back over to Kos and the DU. When I complain to the site owners, I'm either ignored or dismissed.

If you're going to clean it up, Mr. Miller, then clean it ALL up.
You can't pick and choose.

213 Kragar  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #165 FrogMarch

Every American should be angered... angered about Daschle.

I'm sure Geitner will be all over Daschle.

/

Seriously, I used to adjust my deductions so I gave a little extra during the year so I could at least get a little back come tax time. Better safe than sorry and all that. Between CA deciding to pay illegals off and giving tax payers IOUs and the Feds pissing the money away, I'm adjusting so I'm not giving the state or feds a fucking dime.

214 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:02am

re: #66 reine.de.tout

Great comparison!
Yes, now that you mention it - very charismatic, good-looking, and just as evil as Bundy.

Hey Reine ...good-looking LOL ...I saw him once at a gas station in Metaire ...he is creepy ...

215 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:41am

re: #196 gmsc

The CIA only developed the collapses of Mexico and Pakistan as "What If?" scenarios for the purposes of long range planning and training. Read the Strategy Page report on the "collapse" report to get a better understanding of the true situation.

Interesting report. Thanks very much. I see the point about long range planning, etc. - and have participated in gaming (well, okay, years ago). It's just a little unsettling to read about concerns that drug cartel members are infiltrating every level of government, etc.

Hope this report's right, and it'll never get beyond the "what if" stage!

216 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #211 Van Helsing

Come on in! It's a blast here!

We will sweep them off their feet.

217 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:25am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sure Geitner will be all over Daschle.

/

Seriously, I used to adjust my deductions so I gave a little extra during the year so I could at least get a little back come tax time. Better safe than sorry and all that. Between CA deciding to pay illegals off and giving tax payers IOUs and the Feds pissing the money away, I'm adjusting so I'm not giving the state or feds a fucking dime.

there you have it amigo...welcome to the club

218 Wm T Sherman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:41am

What are the chances of a correction at Politico? Zero?

219 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:35:44am

re: #207 addison

$500,000 dog park in Chula Vista, CA.

$200,000,000 for a light rail in Ohio. Not that I oppose the rail per se, but it will take more than a year to plan the rail system, let alone begin construction--that isn't stimulus, it's Ohio being rewarded for voting the "correct" way in 2008.

There you have it. There is nothing stimulating about the stimulus bill. It's nothing but Democrats rewarding their groveling supporters for returning them to power. They are seizing on a national crisis to enrich themselves and their friends in a way that does NOTHING to move the economy forward.

And I say this with all bitterness as a person who's husband is down at the unemployment office filing his initial claim.

220 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #174 WriterMom

I have another story about how the Canadian system is screwed up.

My mother was delayed and delayed all summer long from getting the proper testing. When they finally did an MRI on her in September, they found a tumor in her pancreas and was admitted to hospital to get ready for surgery. Then her turn was bumped every week for 6 weeks while they did more important cases. She finally got her operation in early November. She was home for the Christmas holidays but was not recovering well.

She's was readmitted last week. The cancer has spread to her liver and throughout her abdomen. She's too old & weak for chemo, and there is just too much cancer for surgery or radiation to do any good. We've been told she has a matter of weeks left. I'm going out to Vancouver to visit her this weekend, and basically, to say good bye to her.

So while it seems kind of trivial and pointless at this time, I can't help thinking if my mom had been diagnosed earlier on, she might have had a better chance. Medical care doled out by a government bureaucracy is no way to live.

I would appreciate any prayers from my LGF friends. My mom lived a long good life and is at peace with her situation.

221 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:36:57am

re: #185 redstateredneck

Lord have mercy. The first thing that came up was $99K for doorbells on public housing in Laurel, Mississippi.

Well, it's a whole lot of doorbells.

To say nothing of having to replace the wiring after the local junkies scrap it out.

222 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:37:33am

re: #219 doppelganglander

There you have it. There is nothing stimulating about the stimulus bill. It's nothing but Democrats rewarding their groveling supporters for returning them to power. They are seizing on a national crisis to enrich themselves and their friends in a way that does NOTHING to move the economy forward.

And I say this with all bitterness as a person who's husband is down at the unemployment office filing his initial claim.

it's utterly criminal is what it is...there is nothing political or democratic about it...it's sheer thievery

223 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:37:44am

re: #132 maddogg
In the interest of honesty, not all of the quotes attributed to Barry are accurate, some modification was been made by others, but others are pretty close to accurate.

/snopes

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:06am

re: #220 Kenneth

*Prayers*

225 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:16am

re: #212 Irish Rose

I'd like to know which sites those are Rose. I've not encountered that, but I don't get out much.

226 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:38am
227 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:38:48am

re: #220 Kenneth

Oh no-Kenneth, I am so sorry to hear this. Of course my prayers are with you. And I will mention this to GoTC to put on the prayer list and to others of faith. If you need to talk, please feel free to call me.

228 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #216 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We will sweep them off their feet.

Won't 'BB'IAB.

Bad. Sorry.
Bad Van Helsing! No biscuit!

229 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:40:07am

re: #220 Kenneth

I'm sorry for that...best wishes however it turns

230 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:41:18am

re: #225 Van Helsing

I'd like to know which sites those are Rose. I've not encountered that, but I don't get out much.

MM is a good place to start.

231 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:41:18am

re: #220 Kenneth

Prayers coming. MIL had the same...

232 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #214 JacksonTn

Hey Reine ...good-looking LOL ...I saw him once at a gas station in Metaire ...he is creepy ...

He's had a lot of work done.

233 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:26am

re: #230 Irish Rose

MM is a good place to start.

Is that in comments or posts?

234 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:42am

re: #212 Irish Rose

Meanwhile, I have very rarely seen any of the things you are talking about, especially when not afforded the anonymity of an internet forum.

235 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:43am

re: #202 Dianna

Good! Life's always better with a cup of coffee clutched in one's shaking hand.

Yep... although I'm suppose to watch my caffeine. Gee, I gave up eating, drinking and smoking, I get more physical activity in and they want to take my coffee away.

Next the docs are going to suggest that I just die. (Obama senior health care plan).

BBIAM - got to go pay rent. Need to rob the 7-11 down the street.

236 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:42:44am

re: #220 Kenneth

Kenneth, my prayers are with you and your mom. I know, because I lost my mom last year to breast cancer, and my wife and I cared for her in her final days.

While "what-if's" can make you crazy (and I went through those as well), I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer. His doctor, a saint if ever there was one, said to him -- "I want you to get to M.D. Anderson in Houston as fast as you can. I'll make the call."

My friend is still in remission.

National healthcare would very probably have made that impossible.

God bless you and your mom.

237 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:43:07am

re: #230 Irish Rose

I don't know what she's thinking, lately. I have - a number of times - recoiled from the comments.

I don't understand it.

238 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:09am

re: #233 Van Helsing

Is that in comments or posts?

You tell me.

239 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:44:56am

re: #220 Kenneth

Kenneth, I am so sorry. Praying for your family.

240 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #237 Dianna

I don't know what she's thinking, lately. I have - a number of times - recoiled from the comments.

I don't understand it.

That makes two of us.

241 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:45:38am

re: #220 Kenneth
Your mom is in my prayers.

242 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:46:48am

The headline for the next post is making me too gloomy to go there.

Sigh.

243 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:48:36am

re: #237 Dianna

I don't know what she's thinking, lately. I have - a number of times - recoiled from the comments.

I don't understand it.

She mostly seems to just let the comments go unmoderated and there are a handful of daily posters that outright harass anyone with even a slightly different opinion. I don't feel that an internet forum, especially one for a pundit that is as far right as Michelle Malkin, as representative of some deeply seated genocidal undercurrents in the Republican party that need specific address.

244 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:53:48am

re: #220 Kenneth

Kenneth, I am so sorry. I'll be praying for you and your family.

245 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:36am

BBL

246 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:54am

Thank you to all who have offered your prayers. It really is appreciated.

247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:54:58am

Ideology and agenda always trump facts, especially for Leftoids.

248 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #243 Scion9

She mostly seems to just let the comments go unmoderated and there are a handful of daily posters that outright harass anyone with even a slightly different opinion. I don't feel that an internet forum, especially one for a pundit that is as far right as Michelle Malkin, as representative of some deeply seated genocidal undercurrents in the Republican party that need specific address.

I don't know if there are deeply seated genocidal undercurrents. I do know that there are people who - in the anonymity of a blog comment section - feel free to advocate things that truly horrify any civilized human being.

I have no idea why Michelle Malkin allows a few commenters to repel others.

249 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:55:43am

re: #246 Kenneth

I'm not much for praying, but I'll hold you and your mother in my thoughts.

250 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #238 Irish Rose

You tell me.

I don't look at Malkin's too often. Generally if I go there it's because of a link and when I'm working (at office) they are blocked as Streaming Media. So...
I don't get there much.

I will tell you as an Arizonan and a 3rd generation Norwegian I have ZERO, zip, nada no NO tolerance for people coming to this country without jumping through the same damn hoops that others did. Most of those were European because it's really, really hard to walk across the Atlantic Ocean.

This country has always had an issue with immigrants (No Irish Need Apply, No Chinks, etc.) , legal or otherwise, but the Melting Pot idea worked. It took a generation per wave of immigration, but it worked.

We've un-plugged the melting pot. The result is multi-culturism and it will kill the America that I love.

See last night's post of Mr Mitchell.

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 10:58:04am

re: #202 Dianna

Good! Life's always better with a cup of coffee clutched in one's shaking hand.

Coffee actually does stop or significantly reduces my hands shake.

Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I drink at least one full pot of coffee a day, does it? ;)

252 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:04:44am

re: #251 FurryOldGuyJeans

Coffee actually does stop or significantly reduces my hands shake.

Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I drink at least one full pot of coffee a day, does it? ;)

No idea - but I get a vile headache without at least three cups per day.

253 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:11:49am

220 kenneth,
Prayers to your Mom and to you and your family.

254 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #246 Kenneth

Thank you to all who have offered your prayers. It really is appreciated.

Back in later -- I took the liberty of emailing the link to your comment to goddess.

255 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:32am

David Dukkke is the reason for the ONE time I ever voted for the Democrat....it was Edvin Edwards or David Dukkke.

There was no choice in the matter...I went with the thief over the KKK.

256 kynna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:24:50am

Condoleeza Rice's initial popularity, as well as that of Colin Powell and JC Watts is a repudiation of the Republicans are Racists theme they love to spread. That Rice and Powell haven't been favorites for a long time has to do with their record of (non) achievement as SoS, rather than anything to do with their skin tones.

The fact is, David Duke will go wherever he thinks someone will give him some power. That some people who called themselves Republicans went along with him for a time doesn't mean a darn thing. Democrats have gone along with him, too. Who started the KKK, after all? Robert Byrd, anyone? The metaphorical lynching of Clarence Thomas by Democrats in congress?

*crickets drowned out by squalls of leftard adulation of the One*

257 nikis-knight  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:25:36am

re: #212 Irish Rose

I dinged you down, because I don't see that--at all.
But I reversed it, because if you do see that, you're right, one form of prejudice is no better than another.

258 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #250 Van Helsing


This country has always had an issue with immigrants (No Irish Need Apply, No Chinks, etc.) , legal or otherwise, but the Melting Pot idea worked. It took a generation per wave of immigration, but it worked.

Hate to point out the obvious, but Mexico is contiguous with the US. The 'Melting Pot', unplugged or not, will not work in assimilating a vast number of Mexican immigrants regardless of the legality of their status. If this were the case it would have happened long ago and that goodwill would have flowed south of the border and into Mexican-American communities north of it in the past century and a half that has seen African-Americans emancipated from slavery and granted suffrage, Irish, Eastern European and Asian populations integrate into mainstream society, as well as the formation of a bittersweet, regretful Romanticism over the treatment of Native Americans in our history.

The state of Mexican social/political discourse today regarding nationalism and race is so degraded that you are safer walking on the streets of many Muslim Arab majority cities than you are Mexican ones as a white or black American. It is an extremely xenophobic, racist country with racial essentialism encoded into its very constitution and some of the harshest anti-immigrant laws and policies seen in any Western Democracy, and significantly harsher than some actual despotic totalitarian states.

While a good portion of the blame for a lack of integration can be put on the back of the multicultural perspective in supporting groups like La Raza that teach a form of racial supremacism, it is still a matter of fact that La Raza is a Mexican entity whose core doctrine is extremely pervasive in Mexico itself.

259 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:50:01am

re: #258 Scion9

One of the premises is that the number of immigrants dropped in the Pot can be controlled.

I was speaking of legal, therefore controlled, immigration.

260 Boxy_brown  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:05pm

re: #257 nikis-knight

re: #212 Irish Rose


I dinged you down, because I don't see that--at all.
But I reversed it, because if you do see that, you're right, one form of prejudice is no better than another.


I can back her up about it swirling around on Malkins site. I also agree that we have let illegal immigration get out of control. But some of the "solutions" floated there reek of cattle cars and forced marches.

261 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:57:46pm

It disappoints me that Hugh Hewitt has Mike Allen from The Politico on all the time. I don't see much difference between The Politico and the MSM.

262 RightKlik  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:32:09pm

Ok Ben Smith, now let's talk about the racist fringe of the Democrat party.

263 justiceforall  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:04:16pm

LGF writes "Apparently Smith isn’t aware that David Duke began his political career as a Democrat, running for the Louisiana Senate in 1975, and in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1988. Smith could just as accurately have described Duke as belonging to the “racist fringe” of the Democratic Party—but this doesn’t fit into his ideological bias."

Actually, it wouldn't be accuate to describe Duke as a part of the "racist fringe" of the Democratic Party, because, even as you mention that he was affiliated with that party a few decades ago, he later switched. According to the story LGF posted to, Duke is still part of the GOP. Is that untrue? If so, it should be mentioned.

264 bofh  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:29:50pm

Politico has always been Yet Another Liberal Blog (YALB?). They just don't drool on themselves quite as visibly as the inmates at Kos and PuffHo. It bothers me when I see them being cited as somehow "fair and balanced".

265 Boxy_brown  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #220 Kenneth

Kennith, I am so sorry about your Mom.

266 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 4:11:07pm

re: #220 Kenneth
My condolences.

267 Alone in NY  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:53:34pm

Why didn't the Dems denounce racist demogogue Al Sharpton when he ran for President? He and Duke are similar actually.

268 tyree  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 10:47:50pm

My father was from New Orleans and he left the Democratic Party in the 1950's in part because it was so segregationist and racist. Now the Democrats are trying to rewrite their history just like the book "1984".


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