This is a cause very dear to the hearts of leftists, because they think it will destroy Americans’ support for the military. And in the new age of hope and change even Robert Gates is considering it: Gates open to lifting ban on casket photos.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:52:51am |
HOPE, CHANGE AND MORBIDITY!
/ Including a morbid economy!
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:53:55am |
I expect Obama will back peddle hard on this one too.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:54:08am |
Well, when they don’t see hundreds at a time are they going to say that the numbers are being repressed?
These kooks will search for anything to discredit and embarrass the military.
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:54:10am |
Why would anyone want to see this? Sicko’s. Let the family grieve in peace.
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bloodnok Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:54:24am |
I time the questioning.
(what a coincidence this happened to be asked the other night)
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JHW Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:54:29am |
Like they give a damn for servicemen and women. It’s still 1968 to them.
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zeebeach Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:55:22am |
It is indeed disrespectful. Disgusting propaganda, as well. I am amazed at what the past three weeks has revealed about “this administration”. It will be a long four years for sure.
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Dave the..... Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:55:28am |
With the Fairness Doctrine (sic), will we require MSM to also publish photos of aborted babies?
(yes, I know we don’t all feel the same way about abortion, just making a point)
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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:55:54am |
This is the Change I was Hoping wouldn’t happen.
Mr. President, leave our troops R.I.P and give the the dignity they deserve. Keep the cameras away from their coffins.
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wrenchwench Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:08am |
From the article:
Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., has taken the opposite view — that photos of returning caskets both honor the returning service member and remind the public that the nation is at war.In January, Jones introduced the “Fallen Hero Commemoration Act,” legislation that would force the Pentagon to grant the media access when military remains arrive at U.S. military installations.
Of course, when Obama was asked about this at his press conference, the question ended, “…so Americans can see the true toll of war?” …or something like that.
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:20am |
It’s bad enough our soldiers are not respected while they’re alive, but to use their ultimate sacrifice for political gain is just disgusting.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:24am |
Actually, I think it would do more to undermine Obama than the military at this point. As far as the photos, personally, I’m against it, but I think it should be up to the families if they want the photos released.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:42am |
The left has an image of the military that prominently features caskets and dope smoking, both have been missing for much too long.
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WitchDoctor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:50am |
Respect for the dead… under the bus.
Ah well, I think the “stimulus” will be looked back on as the tipping point anyway. It’s all down hill from here.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:56:54am |
By the way, in Canada, the media runs photos of our soldiers coffins returning from Afghanistan, and video coverage of the ramp ceremonies at Kandahar airfield. While it does get some lefties pseudo-indignant, it also inspires a great deal of patriotism & understanding. It cuts both ways.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:05am |
Servicemen and servicewomen deserve all the respect in the world. This is not respect. It’s a ghoulish attempt of political motivation.
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christheprofessor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:17am |
There was a time when showing war dead was used to steel the American people’s resolve for the long road ahead (i.e., FDR ordering release of photos of Marine dead at Tarawa during WW2).
Now it’s used to undermine our military and our resolve.
My how times have changed.
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FrogMarch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:27am |
“For these families, this would delay the return of the remains home,” he said. “For others, it would be a financial hardship to get to Dover. And there were some privacy concerns.”
but if The One wants it- The One gets it. /oh praise Andrew Sullivan.
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Dave the..... Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:38am |
I’ve noticed that the left hasn’t stopped the meter that counts deaths in Iraq. I was sure they would after Obama got in office.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:57:51am |
Why does it seem that everyone in Washington is trying their best lately to increase the amount of suck in the world?
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KibbyKat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:05am |
re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Actually, I think it would do more to undermine Obama than the military at this point. As far as the photos, personally, I’m against it, but I think it should be up to the families if they want the photos released.
A fair solution. I think it’s disrespectful to the deceased, but at the end of the day the families should decide.
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Power Armored Lizardoid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:27am |
Ahhh, political limbo…How low can they go?
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:58:33am |
re: #25 jaunte
Why does it seem that everyone in Washington is trying their best lately to increase the amount of suck in the world?
Because they blow.
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jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:00am |
re: #2 Dianna
No. It’s disrespectful.
I agree with one caveat.
The photo itself is not necessarily disrespectful.
However the the propose behind and the what the photos will be used for is beyond disrespectful.
It aids and abets the enemy in this war. Given the political climate they should not be released.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:11am |
As a veteran, this really offends me. It’s not about “getting the story out”; there’s no lack of coverage on casualty figures in the MSM. It is about dignity and respect - for both the fallen warriors and their families.
It is reprehensible, and Secretary Gates should “consider it” for about a millisecond, and then decide to leave it as is.
Or resign.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:23am |
the “Fallen Hero Commemoration Act,”
W.T.F.
If I had high blood pressure I’d have just keeled over.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:51am |
It’s kind of difficult to have coffin photos when there aren’t coffins to photograph. The war is over in Iraq. We won. There are still casualties but they’re more likely from car accidents than car bombs.
The war in Afghanistan is still on, and troops still die in combat, but the numbers are hardly registering with the public even with the media morbidity over troop deaths and grim milestones.
It is, however, yet another attempt to undermine support for the military and when combined with the latest idiocy to reinstate the draft, it continues a longstanding tradition by the left to cut the legs out from under the US military.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:55am |
While there is nothing I can do about the decision, I can only hope that the sight of those coffins will jolt those anti-military dolts in this country into realizing what their freedom to criticize actually costs.
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 8:59:58am |
re: #29 taxfreekiller
If you can not fight, you will not win.
If you WILL NOT FIGHT you will not win.
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KibbyKat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:01:02am |
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:01:45am |
The left only wants these photos so they can plaster them all over carboard signs at there pro-Obama, pro-communist rallies. This specific usage dengrates the soldier and is akin to pissing on their graves. That soldier died for THEIR right to express their opinion/hatred. How dare they use their pictures to push their sick agenda?
The left has no shame.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:01:54am |
re: #34 lawhawk
Exactly my point. Are they expecting hundred of coffins? Iraq is won… there aren’t hundreds of troops dying every week…
But there is a need for decorum. Let those fallen heroes rest in peace.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:01:54am |
It has the exact opposite effect on me than the Left expects.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:04am |
re: #39 JHW
Next……CBS brings back Walter Cronkite.
And stage some draft card burnings - all I am saying…
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christheprofessor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:15am |
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RaiderDan Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:40am |
“Soldiers as Victims.”
Classic leftist fare. Thats the only time the left and the media (but I repeat myself) care about soldiers. Casualties fit their agenda more that heroes.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:54am |
A grass roots tradition has grown up in Canada. People are publicly honoring our fallen heroes on what has come to be called the Highway of Heroes.
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P-DEX Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:02:55am |
re: #26 KibbyKat
A fair solution. I think it’s disrespectful to the deceased, but at the end of the day the families should decide.
I would also tend to agree, but you have to consider who is running the show now. The Left does one thing well: exploitation of tragedy and crisis for political purposes. With their propaganada machine (the MSM) firmly behind the Bamster this stinks of playing to Leftoid emotions, which is the only way you can really communicate with them. No Liberal is happy unless he/she is wringing his/her hands about something.
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bloodnok Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:03:16am |
Pictures of flag-draped caskets? Okey-dokey
Pictures of living Marines on a poster outside a Republican Congressman’s office door? RIGHT. OUT.
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iceman1960 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:03:19am |
Libnuts have no respect for the living do you expect them to have respect for the dead.
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lance Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:03:38am |
re: #34 lawhawk
“Reinstate the draft”? Have I been living under a rock or something? Who has been steering it?
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:04:20am |
re: #54 lance
“Reinstate the draft”? Have I been living under a rock or something? Who has been steering it?
Chalres Rangel, of course.
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:04:25am |
re: #51 taxfreekiller
Obama is Hugo Chavez on weight-watchers diet.
They will become butt buddies shortly.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:04:25am |
Banning information is never a good idea. Let the pictures be shown, and let people make of them what they will.
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Karagush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:04:47am |
i would never EVER give the ok for my husbands coffin to be photographed.
these people want it for all the wrong reasons.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:04:55am |
re: #45 Ben Hur
It has the exact opposite effect on me than the Left expects.
It polarizes on a very high level. There is nothing to be gained from this except ill will.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:05:41am |
re: #58 Cato the Elder
Banning information is never a good idea. Let the pictures be shown, and let people make of them what they will.
It was suggested that each family should make the decision.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:05:49am |
I never cease to be amazed at the liberal thought process. Freedom apparently demands that we are shown the coffins of our fallen soldiers….but that same freedom doesn’t extend to being able to listen to Talk Radio.
I am fucking speechless at the hypocrisy…..and at the mental disorder liberals display.
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KibbyKat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:01am |
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:01am |
re: #44 tfc3rid
I marvel at the way the military respects those who have died in uniform and those photos we have seen of the coffins at Dover and elsewhere bring a tear to my eye, but also show that the nation does owe a great debt to the fallen. There’s a price paid for liberty and freedom and giving others around the world a chance to have the same. 50 million have that chance because of President Bush, but the Left sees that as a curse - not a blessing.
The Left sees those coffins as a tool to undermine national security by curtailing military operations and the military in general.
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:02am |
Someone posted yesterday that it was no coincidence that so many earth shattering events happened in 1979. I’m afraid that in 30 years someone here might opine the same thing about 2009. The world is a tough neighborhood and bullies will always exploit weakness.
A great big hearty “thank you” to all the brain-dead assholes who voted for this Carteresque douche nozzle.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:07am |
re: #51 taxfreekiller
Obama is Hugo Chavez on weight-watchers diet.
I see Obama as a young Stalin, minus the large amounts of vodka.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:06:13am |
I think that photographs of the coffins of fallen soldiers will very likely have exactly the opposite effect of that which the anti-war crowd is hoping for.
In all likelihood the pictures will inspire patriotism and respect for self-sacrifice. They will also serve as reminder to Americans that we are in fact at war with a very real enemy.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:00am |
re: #58 Cato the Elder
Banning information is never a good idea. Let the pictures be shown, and let people make of them what they will.
Banning is one thing, using a little decorum and respect for the fallen is another thing. What will be gained by showing them? There should be some limits on what is shown and not shown, that is not censorship or “banning”, that is giving a hero the dignity he or she deserves.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:10am |
re: #44 tfc3rid
Exactly my point. Are they expecting hundred of coffins? Iraq is won… there aren’t hundreds of troops dying every week…
Of course, they’ll take photos of the servicemen killed in Iraq in car accidents, and fob them off as “grim milestones”, anyway.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:18am |
re: #66 republic
I see Obama as a young Stalin, minus the large amounts of vodka.
I read that at first as “a young Stain”. In some indirect, random, off-the-wall way, it almost seemed appropriate.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:19am |
re: #58 Cato the Elder
Banning information is never a good idea. Let the pictures be shown, and let people make of them what they will.
In this case, I must respectfully disagree with you. A news story with a headline “4 Marines Killed in Afghanistan” is information.
A photograph of a flag draped coffin and weeping family is not information.
It is exploitation.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:22am |
I’d like photos and tapes of congressmen meeting with lobbyists.
Free the information!
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Karagush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:07:39am |
re: #61 debutaunt
It was suggested that each family should make the decision.
my decision would be no. because they want to suse the pics to sap our will not to steel resolve or honour our fallen. Making hay from a widows misery and a mothers sorrow is EVIL.
May my fiance not fall, to be used like this.
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:08:34am |
re: #28 MrSilverDragon
Because they blow.
“I never thought I’d say it, but this both sucks AND blows:.
-Bart Simpson.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:08:35am |
re: #67 Ringo the Gringo
I think that photographs of the coffins of fallen soldiers will very likely have exactly the opposite effect of that which the anti-war crowd is hoping for.
In all likelihood the pictures will inspire patriotism and respect for self-sacrifice. They will also serve as reminder to Americans that we are in fact at war with a very real enemy.
I dunno. Are you old enough to remember the early 70s? I do, dimly. they made great left-wing use of the photos of coffins/body bags coming back from Vietnam. Leftists are, as a tribe, masters at the art of image and spin.
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jaunte Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:08:50am |
(2006) Rangel Calls for Reinstating Military Draft
foxnews.com
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:09:31am |
re: #66 republic
I see Obama as a young Stalin, minus the large amounts of vodka.
He’s neither Chavez nor Stalin. He’s more like Wilson, FDR, or Mussolini, IMHO.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:09:32am |
The left will exploit these photos to further their own twisted agenda. If there was something constructive or beneficial gained from these pictures, perhaps it would be ok. One side, and we know which side, will use them in campaign posters and plaster them on the TV for purely political reasons and that is sickening.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:09:45am |
I guess this is part of the Fundamental Change that Obama promised just 5 days before the election.
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
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Killer Tomato Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:10:26am |
re: #65 tommygum
A great big hearty “thank you” to all the brain-dead assholes who voted for this Carteresque douche nozzle.
/////
Someone here (who?) has mentioned how much like Mussolini he is… perhaps we should just refer to him as Il Douche.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:10:42am |
re: #77 Honorary Yooper
He’s neither Chavez nor Stalin. He’s more like Wilson, FDR, or Mussolini, IMHO.
I vote he is an more eloquent and darker version of the worst President of the 20th Century - James Earl Carter.
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FrogMarch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:10:56am |
ot - The big Obama lie
Today’s Washington Post has an article exposing President Obama’s repeated demagogic assertion that those who oppose his so-called stimulus plan favor doing nothing:
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:11:04am |
re: #80 Killer Tomato
Someone here (who?) has mentioned how much like Mussolini he is… perhaps we should just refer to him as Il Douche.
Iron Fist.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:11:04am |
re: #81 Desert Dog
I vote he is an more eloquent and darker version of the worst President of the 20th Century - James Earl Carter.
RACIST PIG!
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Cato the Elder Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:11:26am |
re: #68 Desert Dog
Banning is one thing, using a little decorum and respect for the fallen is another thing. What will be gained by showing them? There should be some limits on what is shown and not shown, that is not censorship or “banning”, that is giving a hero the dignity he or she deserves.
What could be gained by showing them is that for every anti-military creep who finds himself confirmed in his prejudices, there will be more who find it a testament to this country’s soldiers. As many or more will find it moving, inspirational and patriotic.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:11:45am |
re: #80 Killer Tomato
Someone here (who?) has mentioned how much like Mussolini he is… perhaps we should just refer to him as Il Douche.
That would be me, and I like the term “Il Douche” for Obama. It fits so well. :-)
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:18am |
re: #77 Honorary Yooper
He’s neither Chavez nor Stalin. He’s more like Wilson, FDR, or Mussolini, IMHO.
Could you see Obama ordering the carrying out of executions of sabotuers without public knowledge during this current war?
FDR did.
I could see Obama doing that with political opposition, but not with actual enemies of the USA.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:24am |
I am taking a contrarian view of this issue. Maybe the problem was that by banning photographs, the Bush admin was setting the tone that they had something to hide? In Canada, our media has been free to cover the ramp ceremonies and arrival of our fallen soldiers back in Canada. The general public has rallied around our soldiers & their families in honoring their sacrifice. There is no shame in what our soldiers are doing in defending freedom & democracy.
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:25am |
Of course, the anti-war Lefties always bring their own flag-drapped cardboard coffins to their demonstrations anyhow.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:37am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:51am |
re: #72 jaunte
I’d like photos and tapes of congressmen meeting with lobbyists.
Free the information!
I’d like video footage of Obama cabinet members paying their taxes.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:12:56am |
re: #85 tfc3rid
RACIST PIG!
oink oink…..
If Obama came first, I would be calling Jimmah a paler and less eloquent version of BO
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:13:06am |
re: #46 debutaunt
And stage some draft card burnings - all I am saying…
Lefty only wants a return of the draft so their spawn can burn the cards again.
Disgusting.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:13:11am |
Here are the Union Dead at Gettysburg. They have no coffins.
Show all the damn coffins you want.
I do not want the patriotism of someone whose love of country vanishes at the first touch of reality.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:13:44am |
re: #96 Occasional Reader
I’d like video footage of Obama cabinet members paying their taxes.
Sorry, no can do.
;-)
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Athos Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:14:22am |
re: #75 Occasional Reader
I dunno. Are you old enough to remember the early 70s? I do, dimly. they made great left-wing use of the photos of coffins/body bags coming back from Vietnam. Leftists are, as a tribe, masters at the art of image and spin.
Exactly. This is for political purposes and goes hand in hand with the now almost annual efforts by Rangel and others to get the draft re-established in order to use it as a cudgel against any efforts to use military force as was done in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Remember, according to most of the politically savvy Dems, Afghanistan is the ‘good war’. But in order to surrender and leave without apparently making the surrender obviously their choice - they publish the photos and let the MSM spin it to demoralize the American citizenry to the point that they demand our departure from the battlefield.
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infidel4ever Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:14:26am |
The Party of Defeat could not manage to loose in Iraq, do they see Afghanistan as a second chance? Lots of coffins would sure help to create that Vietnam-feeling again…
For what?
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:15:16am |
re: #75 Occasional Reader
I dunno. Are you old enough to remember the early 70s? I do, dimly. they made great left-wing use of the photos of coffins/body bags coming back from Vietnam. Leftists are, as a tribe, masters at the art of image and spin.
We should not allow photographs of bodybags, that’s for sure.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:15:49am |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
Then you’d better not visit this website, or you’ll want to kick a hole in something.
I got it right the first time. I was born American.
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johnnyreb Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #67 Ringo the Gringo
I think that photographs of the coffins of fallen soldiers will very likely have exactly the opposite effect of that which the anti-war crowd is hoping for.
In all likelihood the pictures will inspire patriotism and respect for self-sacrifice. They will also serve as reminder to Americans that we are in fact at war with a very real enemy.
You are more correct than you know. One of my friends had to escort a Sailors body back home for burial. Once he got on the plane, the pilot made an announcement that there was a fallen sailor on the plane being sent home for burial. My friend said nearly every single person on that plane came up and thanked him and expressed their sorrow for the sailor. When they landed he said nearly the entire airport almost shut down until the coffin was loaded into the hearse.
I say let them do this, it will backfire on them.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:15:58am |
re: #91 mattm
This is going to be a VERY long 4 years.
Man, it’s like Biff got a hold of the DeLorean again and we’re living in an alternate 2009.
4 years may be too late. 2010 hurry.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:16:03am |
Okay, the chimes at this church here in downtown DC are STILL playing “We Three Kings” at noon. What the hell?
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:16:17am |
If you google “iraq coffin” most of the images show American flag draped coffins as opposed to what one might expect, which would be Iraqi people in coffins. Just saying …
I don’t like the idea of lifting the ban more than anyone else but apparently there are plenty of images for the left to seize on already. Plus as LH points out, there won’t be many more coffins returning from Iraq. Why doesn’t the MFM lift their ban on showing pictures of all the mass graves our brave soldiers prevented from reoccurring?
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:16:18am |
re: #72 jaunte
I’d like photos and tapes of congressmen meeting with lobbyists.
Free the information!
hairy red is the fucking worst!
WASHINGTON — Sen. John Ensign on Tuesday called on congressional leaders to allow full television coverage of negotiations this week where a handful of House and Senate members will finalize the economic stimulus bill.
The Nevada Republican said broadcasts of the conference committee meetings will encourage “transparency and accountability” as senior lawmakers make decisions on the crucial legislation that President Barack Obama has said he is counting on as a key component of his economic rescue strategy.
It should not be behind closed doors. It should be out in the open,” Ensign said. “When you are spending a trillion dollars, it is even more important.”
Ensign maintained that TV coverage of the conferees would “hold them accountable, to find out if there are things being hidden in the bill at the last minute, who is being done favors or if there are special things being put in the bill.”
Speaking to reporters earlier in the day, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said, “I don’t have any reason to believe the conference won’t be open.”
But as is usually the case with major bills, much of the heavy lifting on the most contentious issues is expected to take place out of the spotlight.
Additionally, a number of lower-profile issues usually are negotiated by staff before the conference panel meets formally.
Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate majority leader, said in a separate gathering that when Republicans controlled Congress, there were hardly any conference committee meetings, let alone ones conducted in public.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:16:39am |
re: #99 tommygum
Lefty only wants a return of the draft so their spawn can burn the cards again.
Disgusting.
Our intelligent and all volunteer military makes no sense to the left.
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nigella Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:16:42am |
mattm, you are right it is going to be a long 4 years. Every morning I wake up and think, maybe today Obama will come to his senses and realize he is destroying this Nation, and every day I’m disappointed. It’s one outrageous move after another. Is it just me or are you getting tired of his constant “campaigning”?Like he loves to tell us all he won.Unfortunately the Country lost.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:17:11am |
re: #93 Kenneth
I am taking a contrarian view of this issue. Maybe the problem was that by banning photographs, the Bush admin was setting the tone that they had something to hide? In Canada, our media has been free to cover the ramp ceremonies and arrival of our fallen soldiers back in Canada. The general public has rallied around our soldiers & their families in honoring their sacrifice. There is no shame in what our soldiers are doing in defending freedom & democracy.
The Bush Admn. hiding anything from this current wreck that is called media?
My goodness, the NYT’s printed top secret, CLASSIFIED info about the Bush Admn military plans before they could be put into effect, over and over!
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:17:11am |
re: #98 MandyManners
I’ve never heard that before.
I think he’s referring to Nazi spies/saboteurs that were captured here, tried and executed during WWII……..under FDR. Rightfully so, IMO.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:17:14am |
re: #108 SasquatchOnSteroids
Man, it’s like Biff got a hold of the DeLorean again and we’re living in an alternate 2009
That actually did make me Laugh Out Loud.
Sardonic laughter, but laughter nonetheless.
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JHW Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:17:40am |
I object to this because they are going to be used as a cheap political issue, as they have been in the past. It smacks of the same cheap “journalism” as thrusting a camera into the face of parents that have lost a child to an accident or terrible crime. Right to know hell, there is no intention of honoring these casualties, and family, friends and military comrades have the right to grieve in piece without the presses phony pathos.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:18:00am |
re: #100 Ojoe
Here are the Union Dead at Gettysburg. They have no coffins.
Show all the damn coffins you want.
I do not want the patriotism of someone whose love of country vanishes at the first touch of reality.
Here here!
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Athos Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:18:40am |
re: #93 Kenneth
Great point - but, I would venture to say that the majority of the media in Canada is also actively promoting those same ideals of sacrifice and fighting the good war. (I haven’t seen many print outlets actively trying to use Canada’s heroes as a cudgel against the government.) However, I do not have the same faith in the US MSM that they will put the soldiers ahead of politics….simply because most of them haven’t for the past 30+ years. To most of the US MSM, it’s politics / ideology first….and for the outlets that don’t do this, they are roundly accused of it by those who do.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:18:48am |
re: #113 taxfreekiller
The deal with the draft is,
you get an Army
you get people who have had some discipline once in their lives
you get contact from drill sgt.s with loon liberals
you get them in a box , use what ever is at hand to defeat these commies
The downside is, you get the dedicated, patriotic volunteers being diluted with reluctant slackers. Mixed feelings here.
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:18:50am |
re: #66 republic
I see Obama as a young Stalin, minus the large amounts of vodka.
And also the slightest smattering of intelligence.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:19:18am |
re: #121 joncelli
There are no more words that I could say, those soldiers said it all
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joncelli Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:20:10am |
re: #113 taxfreekiller
No. It’s the worst kind of state coercion. The state has no right to seize the life of a young man without his consent.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:20:27am |
re: #124 tommygum
And also the slightest smattering of intelligence.
Obama is my no means stupid. Don’t make that mistake.
(I also bridle at the hyperbolic comparisons to Stalin. Stalin murdered at least 20,000,000 people. Perspective, folks.)
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:20:36am |
Name one of the 4 soldiers killed this week in Iraq.
Can you?
Without Google?
I can’t.
That is an effen shame.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:20:51am |
re: #116 republic
Quite true. That’s my point. The ban really only applied to photos used in an honorable fashion. The leftist anti-American media always found a way to take or fake the negative photos they wanted.
Maybe we should have more faith in the goodness of the American people. If they saw the sacrifice and dignity of the fallen troops, they would better understand what they were fighting for. Bush conceded this ground to the anti-American media.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:13am |
re: #128 Occasional Reader
Obama is
myby no means stupid
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Lincolntf Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:13am |
re: #98 MandyManners
I assume he’s talking about the German saboteurs who came ashore on the East Coast (Cape Cod, I think) with plans to blow up production facilities. I know that some were executed. Not sure if all of them were.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:14am |
re: #114 debutaunt
Our intelligent and all volunteer military makes no sense to the left.
The military will be reeling once Obama takes the knife to it. Moral, which is high now, will start to slip, as it did when Clinton was in. They may have trouble filling quotas because of policies coming out of Washington. Add to that the trouble brewing in Afghanistan…..The US Military has been running hard the past 7 years and it is only going to get worse under Obama….
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:18am |
re: #106 MrSilverDragon
I got it right the first time. I was born American.
Hell, I wasn’t even born here….but I was still born an American. Being an American is an idea and my parents, God bless them, escaped the very kind of totalitarian fascism that liberals are bringing to this country……
Godddamn them.
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vagabond trader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:21am |
Before the state is through we’ll all be victims.
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Pyrocles Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:48am |
Yep, the Left WON!
So shut up and sit down you insignificant few remaining Rethugs! ///
That’s basically the message I’ve been gleaming from browsing through this morning’s local newspaper.
re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
Michael Moore has it now, dude.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:21:48am |
re: #76 jaunte
More recent than that. January 15, 2009. Rangel was contemplating reintroducing yet again the legislation to reinstate the draft.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:22:01am |
re: #128 Occasional Reader
Obama is my no means stupid. Don’t make that mistake.
(I also bridle at the hyperbolic comparisons to Stalin. Stalin murdered at least 20,000,000 people. Perspective, folks.)
I said a “young Stalin” OR.
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:22:20am |
re: #135 vagabond trader
Before the state is through we’ll all be victims.
Not me. I will never be a victim.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:22:21am |
re: #129 Ben Hur
Name one of the 4 soldiers killed this week in Iraq.
Can you?
Without Google?
I can’t.
That is an effen shame.
And yet, we have given them our respect.
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:22:37am |
re: #115 nigella
mattm, you are right it is going to be a long 4 years. Every morning I wake up and
think, maybe today Obama will come to his senses and realize he is destroying this Nation, and every day I’m disappointed. It’s one outrageous move after another. Is it just me or are you getting tired of his constant “campaigning”?Like he loves to tell us all he won.Unfortunately the Country lost.
I wake up and Drink
FTFM
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:23:16am |
re: #129 Ben Hur
Name one of the 4 soldiers killed this week in Iraq.
Can you?
Without Google?
I can’t.
That is an effen shame.
Even worse, how many people can name ANY MoH recipients from Iraq or Afghanistan? I can only think of three, and I’m a right-wing neocon warmonger.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:23:26am |
World Bank Spent More Than a Year Covering Up Destruction of Albanian Village
Managers at the World Bank provided false information to the agency’s board of directors about a $39 million, politically-connected European “coastal cleanup” project that led to the destruction and destitution of a powerless village in Albania in 2007 — and then spent nearly two years trying to cover it up, FOX News has learned.
Bank insiders also misled and stonewalled a panel of independent investigators commissioned by the board to investigate the scandal, according to the investigators themselves.
World Bank sources tell FOX News that the panel’s report, submitted to the 24-member board in late November, is one of the most damning independent assessments of the anti-poverty agency’s behavior in the bank’s 60-year history. The bank, the world’s largest and most influential anti-poverty institution and part of the U.N. system, is doling out $100 billion over the next three years for development projects.
For its part, once the report leaked in Albania last week, the bank announced that further disbursements of the loan for the Albanian project had been temporarily suspended on Jan. 9 “due to certain outstanding policy and operational issues.” A World Bank spokesman did not comment to FOX News by press time.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:23:32am |
If it’s OK to show the coffins, it’s also OK to show the falling bodies. Show the world Why We Fight.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:17am |
re: #128 Occasional Reader
Obama is my no means stupid. Don’t make that mistake.
(I also bridle at the hyperbolic comparisons to Stalin. Stalin murdered at least 20,000,000 people. Perspective, folks.)
Agreed. The Hitler/Stalin comparisons are out of line. That’s why I said he’s more like Wilson, FDR, or Mussolini. I use the last one due to the media treatment of him, the shirtless poses and all. Carter comparisons are also good.
If Obama keeps up on starting a trade war and plunges the economy deeper into recession, Hoover comparisons will be extremely valid.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:23am |
re: #141 VegasRick
Not me. I will never be a victim.
That statement can never be proven before you die. It can only be disproven.
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:28am |
re: #130 Kenneth
Quite true. That’s my point. The ban really only applied to photos used in an honorable fashion. The leftist anti-American media always found a way to take or fake the negative photos they wanted.
Maybe we should have more faith in the goodness of the American people. If they saw the sacrifice and dignity of the fallen troops, they would better understand what they were fighting for. Bush conceded this ground to the anti-American media.
Actually that was why I was googling for coffin pics, but I couldn’t find the one I was looking for. I remember a pic where the coffins were being loaded on a commercial aircraft and passengers were looking out the windows. I swear that pic was fauxtography, the people looked like they were pasted in.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:43am |
re: #143 Erik The Red
I wake up and Drink
FTFM
I’m certain that Obama reads Saul Alinsky’s book every morning.
He is ramming it down America’s throat faster than any ideology has ever been applied to this country.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:47am |
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aggieann Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:24:56am |
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jaunte Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:12am |
re: #129 Ben Hur
A couple of days ago I wrote about one whose funeral my daughter attended.
This is the man, and the children who lost their father:
boston.com
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jwb7605 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:24am |
re: #139 lawhawk
More recent than that. January 15, 2009. Rangel was contemplating reintroducing yet again the legislation to reinstate the draft.
What is the point of a draft if the country is withdrawing from zones of conflict?
I personally don’t favor a draft unless the nation is physically confronted by another large power physically threatening our borders.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:43am |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
I see the internet is still crazy.
Well, did you expect it to never be crazy?
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Rednek Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:50am |
I can appreciate both views on this.
But the fact of the matter is that journalists are a ghoulish lot and they will take pictures that will let them push their narrative.
Expect to see:
Coffins in black and white.
Coffins with dark clouds in the background.
Coffins juxtaposed with weeping relatives.
Coffins with stark shadows.
Coffins on dreary rainy days.
Coffins lined up in rows going into the distance.
Coffins sitting alone.
Coffins with misleading captions.
Coffins with frank lies.
Unless BHO is responsible for the coffins, in which case, you won’t see any.
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Desert Dog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:51am |
re: #140 republic
I said a “young Stalin” OR.
The young Stalin rose to power under Lenin by killing off or intimidating his rivals. Once in power, he consolidated it the same way. Killing off any potential rivals. Ask Comrade Trotsky how that ice pick go stuck in his neck.
I am not fond of Obama, but I do not consider him a homicidal megalomaniac and that is what Stalin was from the get go.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #147 victor_yugo
If it’s OK to show the coffins, it’s also OK to show the falling bodies. Show the world Why We Fight.
Excellent point.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:26:10am |
re: #150 victor_yugo
That statement can never be proven before you die. It can only be disproven.
I respectfully disagree.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:26:14am |
re: #142 debutaunt
And yet, we have given them our respect.
WE have.
But why isn’t it the lead story in the press?
The MSM fears the white American “street” more than it fears the Arab “street” -(which is BS because nothing is done ‘spontaneiously’ in any Arab country without the gov support).
The leftist MSM studied soo much about evil american yellow journalism of the past, that they’ve gone to the other radical extreme.
It’s very strange.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:26:42am |
re: #155 jaunte
A couple of days ago I wrote about one whose funeral my daughter attended.
This is the man, and the children who lost their father:
[Link: www.boston.com…]
Thoughts and prayers to his family and friends.
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DeafDog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:26:54am |
re: #100 Ojoe
Here are the Union Dead at Gettysburg. They have no coffins.
Show all the damn coffins you want.
I do not want the patriotism of someone whose love of country vanishes at the first touch of reality.
I undersatand the sentiment, but are you sure that’s what you want? I’m not.
Remember the Abu Grahib photos?
In the Abu Grahib case, I appreciated the press breaking the story. There was bad behavior going on, and it needed to be exposed. But then it was on the front page over and over and over to the point of ridiculousness.
The problem I might have with changing the current law, is that if we do not have a restriction, the MSM will overplay the issue. And, I, for one, think that a sensible restriction is in order.
It’ll be interesting to see what Bob Gates recommends and the logic he uses and wheter Zero accepts or rejects the recomendation.
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jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:27:12am |
re: #139 lawhawk
More recent than that. January 15, 2009. Rangel was contemplating reintroducing yet again the legislation to reinstate the draft.
He wants the draft for two reasons.
They will raise a hue and cry about racism.
Secondly they what the protests in the streets. Vietnam War protests where by and in large draft protests. When the draft ended, the protests dropped markedly, before the war was over.
Rangel is dishonest as the day is long, it whats to use it smear the military, to ruin the military.
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:27:20am |
re: #150 victor_yugo
That statement can never be proven before you die. It can only be disproven.
If I die fighting, I don’t consider that I would be a victim. Just like our brave soldiers that don’t make it back are not victims, they are heroes. I plan on fighting if it comes down to that.
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Pyrocles Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:27:32am |
It’s to make sure that Americans are less willing to go to war. If Americans know that they themselves may get drafted, they’ll be more opposed to our Imperialistic warmongering. /
re: #156 jwb7605
What is the point of a draft if the country is withdrawing from zones of conflict?
I personally don’t favor a draft unless the nation is physically confronted by another large power physically threatening our borders.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:27:40am |
re: #156 jwb7605
It’s to prevent the military from ever operating effectively in the future. It would be a firebreak against a President using his CinC powers to use the military (even though Bush had the AUMF for Iraq and Afghanistan by overwhelming bipartisan support - more bipartisan support than can be found on the porkfest now getting approved by the Democrats in Congress).
Another possibility is that they see the military as a jobs program - getting people out of the job market for a length of time. Watch for that argument to take on new life with the recession continuing.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:27:55am |
re: #159 Desert Dog
The young Stalin rose to power under Lenin by killing off or intimidating his rivals. Once in power, he consolidated it the same way. Killing off any potential rivals. Ask Comrade Trotsky how that ice pick go stuck in his neck.
I am not fond of Obama, but I do not consider him a homicidal megalomaniac and that is what Stalin was from the get go.
You need look younger yet, before any killings..
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nigella Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:39am |
Two years ago my friend lost her only child in Iraq from a roadside bomb. The last thing she wanted was to have the pictures of her sons coffin aired.The election of Obama hit her hard for she felt he did not respect the Military. Evidently she was right.
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:46am |
re: #167 tfc3rid
Obama is playing the game Billy Ayers wanted him to…
44 is a puppet and his strings are being pulled by the Dems in both houses.
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mean Gene Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:49am |
Terrible.
We are a nation with a mere 2.1 birth rate, bare replacement.
Zero growth.
Most women here are able to avoid ”extra” pregnancies via birth control and yet we still have a hefty abortion rate.
So every baby we have is precious.
Not so in the Islamic parts of the earth where birth control is unavailable and abortion nearly illegal.
We used to call such ”extra” boys ”cannon fodder.”
Now I hear it is called a ”baby bulge.”
Almost every allied country in Afghanistan is begging off from sending more of their precious sons and daughters into that arena.
Now 0bama wants to parade our soldier’s flag-draped coffins in an attempt to add us to that list of ex-allies.
It will work, too.
I really think 0bama has tried to shock people so much that ”outrage exhaustion” takes all of the steam out of his opponents.
He’s succeeding, too.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:51am |
re: #170 Pyrocles
It’s to make sure that Americans are less willing to go to war. If Americans know that they themselves may get drafted, they’ll be more opposed to our Imperialistic warmongering. /
That too will backfire because of those pesky patriots. My father left a wife, new kid, and grad school to enlist in the Army in WWII.
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:56am |
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:28:57am |
re: #137 MandyManners
I can see that. But, I cannot see CBBHO doing that with political opponents. At all.
Of course not. But I have often said sarcastically in the past that the only reason Democrats don’t have Republicans killed is because it’s not yet legal to do so.
I am being sarcastic of course but I use it to emphasize to weak kneed republicans that the guys on the other side of the aisle are in this for keeps. To them, this is a knife fight and many on our side don’t seem to understand that.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:29:04am |
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:29:31am |
re: #155 jaunte
A couple of days ago I wrote about one whose funeral my daughter attended.
This is the man, and the children who lost their father:
[Link: www.boston.com…]
*sigh*
Maybe it’s covered locally, and being in NYC I don’t see it.
Maybe I got used to living a very small country.
These soldiers and their families deserve more than being used as political props.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:29:51am |
Lots of good posts about Obama vs Wilson, FDR, etc.
It seems to me that if you read Amity Schlaes’ “The Forgotten Man” and Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” back to back, you’ll have a very good idea of what we have to look forward to.
And it’s not pretty.
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:29:57am |
I’ll consider accepting their wish to publish coffin photos after they begin to show footage of Sept. 11, 2001 again.
/why we fight
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jwb7605 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:22am |
re: #171 lawhawk
It’s to prevent the military from ever operating effectively in the future. It would be a firebreak against a President using his CinC powers to use the military (even though Bush had the AUMF for Iraq and Afghanistan by overwhelming bipartisan support - more bipartisan support than can be found on the porkfest now getting approved by the Democrats in Congress).
Another possibility is that they see the military as a jobs program - getting people out of the job market for a length of time. Watch for that argument to take on new life with the recession continuing.
Paragraph 1 is over my head — I don’t see the logic.
Paragraph 2 — that makes a lot of sense.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:24am |
re: #172 MandyManners
THAT’S THE SPIRIT!
Best use of that line in any movie that I know of; uttered by Rutger Hauer to Harrison Ford, after the latter whacks the former in the head with a steel bar in the climactic fight/chase scene near the end of Blade Runner.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:28am |
re: #167 tfc3rid
Obama is playing the game Billy Ayers wanted him to…
I wonder what folks think about the undercover FBI agent’s recordings of Ayers specificly saying that as many as 1/4 of U.S. citizens would need to be eliminated because they would not go through the re-education camps?
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vagabond trader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:28am |
re: #156 jwb7605
The only reason the left wants a draft is to use it as a “teaching moment” on the horrors of compulsory service. Especially if your 30 year old child gets called up.They can then protest and wail, which in turn will weaken our military. Sounds crazy,yes. As explained to me by a moonbat and I believe it.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:35am |
re: #169 VegasRick
If I die fighting, I don’t consider that I would be a victim. Just like our brave soldiers that don’t make it back are not victims, they are heroes. I plan on fighting if it comes down to that.
The definition of rational self interest.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:48am |
re: #168 jcm
He wants the draft for two reasons.
They will raise a hue and cry about racism.
Secondly they what the protests in the streets. Vietnam War protests where by and in large draft protests. When the draft ended, the protests dropped markedly, before the war was over.
Rangel is dishonest as the day is long, it whats to use it smear the military, to ruin the military.
The best way to understand these fuckers is that they operate out of bad faith. Period.
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J Doc Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:30:59am |
Going to disagree with most of you out there. I think the prohibition was a mistake in the first place. I want the American public to know the cost of our foreign policy decisions. President Bush made a hard, but correct choice sending us to Iraq and Afghanistan. I truly believe it would have been harder for the fringe left to spew their hate while normal Americans saw a visual representation of the sacrifices our military was making.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:31:13am |
re: #183 MandyManners
I just don’t see the citizens of the United States of America going down that road.
Agreed. We can always say “sure, in THEORY it could happen anywhere”, but a LOT would have to change here for us to go down that path.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:31:20am |
re: #162 republic
For that statement to be proven correct, VegasRick must go the entire rest of his life without being attacked. He may influence the odds, but he cannot reduce them to zero.
Oh, and “I refuse to be a victim”? Bullshit. When you wake up in the night, after re-living in your dreams the trauma that someone else caused, you’re a victim. It doesn’t matter if he’s behind bars, or even executed. The event defines your life in ways you can’t control. You’re a victim.
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joncelli Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:11am |
re: #175 taxfreekiller
1. An army composed of people who don’t want to be where they are is less effective than an army of volunteers. Whatever beneficial social effects are realized from the draft are mitigated by the fact that reluctant soldiers don’t fight as professionally as those who joined by choice.
2. The draft could not continue in the environment of the early ’70s; it represented a social irritant too large to accept.
3. It is wrong to seize a young man’s freedom without his consent.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:14am |
Our enemies put pictures of dead babies on their front pages.
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vxbush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:32am |
I simply don’t get this. What a bizarre decision to make now, when he’s been in place for quite a while. I wonder how much pressure he’s getting from the Obama higher-ups to do this.
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:35am |
The purpose of this potential action, along with others the left are perpetrating, is to gradually neutralize and/or destroy institutions that have the possibility of stopping their long term objectives.
It may be they just do not fully appreciate the degree that their objectives push us toward disintegration. On the other hand, perhaps they do. There is a lot of damage they can do in the next four years, especially if the right stays divided over smaller issues.
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Killer Tomato Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:39am |
re: #198 MandyManners
ugh
I know what you meant, but still…
ugh
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:32:48am |
re: #81 Desert Dog
I vote he is an more eloquent and darker version of the worst President of the 20th Century - James Earl Carter.
I think he’s a less eloquent, less intelligent version of Jimmah.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:33:02am |
re: #169 VegasRick
If I die fighting, I don’t consider that I would be a victim. Just like our brave soldiers that don’t make it back are not victims, they are heroes. I plan on fighting if it comes down to that.
The only way you could be correct in your “I will never be a victim” statement is if you do die fighting. God help you if you survive, cuz that would mean you were wrong.
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brookly red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:33:18am |
re: #175 taxfreekiller
The two party evil money cult worked the end of the draft together, knowing that it would dilute the peoples will, ability and discipline to fight back against an all powerful central government. You see it now before you.
? I would think that being all volunteer would increase will & discipline, could you explain this further?
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Bogeyfre Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:05am |
re: #12 wrenchwench
I believe the question was framed as “to show the Human toll of war”. This tells me they plan to use it as propaganda not to honor the dead. It would be disgraceful to allow the media access to the coffins. However this administration is already a disgrace so I’m sure we’ll be adding this to the list.
1441 days left for Hope and Change…….
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:19am |
re: #197 victor_yugo
For that statement to be proven correct, VegasRick must go the entire rest of his life without being attacked. He may influence the odds, but he cannot reduce them to zero.
Oh, and “I refuse to be a victim”? Bullshit. When you wake up in the night, after re-living in your dreams the trauma that someone else caused, you’re a victim. It doesn’t matter if he’s behind bars, or even executed. The event defines your life in ways you can’t control. You’re a victim.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with trauma/Evil of the past.
I wish you well.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:23am |
re: #188 jwb7605
The draft would mean that millions more families would be directly involved in the callup to military action. Right now, with the limited size of our professional military - people who want to be there, military action and the deployment directly affects the smallest percentage of the US population in our history. A draft would fundamentally alter that.
Democrats figure that if more people are directly involved and affected by a draft/callup to arms, the military would be less likely to be deployed for operations - either in our own defense or in the defense of others.
It would atrophy our military capabilities and force billions to be spent on training of those who had no intention of staying with the military and straining those resources, rather than focusing on those who would make careers in the military and strive to do their utmost.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:46am |
re: #199 joncelli
3. It is wrong to seize a young man’s freedom without his consent.
I can think of many young men whose freedom should be seized. Consent be damned.
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tommygum Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:49am |
re: #132 Lincolntf
I assume he’s talking about the German saboteurs who came ashore on the East Coast (Cape Cod, I think) with plans to blow up production facilities. I know that some were executed. Not sure if all of them were.
It was Long Island.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:34:52am |
re: #122 Athos
Actually, we have plenty of leftist unpatriotic media in Canada. They tried to use these images against the soldiers, but it didn’t work. The people spontaneously got up and started honoring these fallen heroes. Nobody organized it, no gov’t agency told them to do it, no media campaign fed it and no political action committee astro-turfed it. Average people just started showing up on overpasses and along the road side along the 401, from CFB Trenton, where the military transport jets arrive, to Toronto where the deceased are then flown on to hometowns across Canada. The few decent media outlets started to covered it. Word of mouth spread and now it has become a tradition. The Canadian military insisted that what they are doing in Afghanistan is honorable and they will not try to sneak their fallen comrades back home in secrecy. God bless them.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:35:28am |
re: #161 buzzsawmonkey
If the Nazi episode teaches us anything; if the lives of people like Che Guevara teach us anything; it is that the depths of human depravity are reached not by a leap but by deliberate steps, one following another.
The Nazis did not implement the Final Solution until they had conditioned themselves and the populace to accept it. Monstrousness is achieved by baby steps.
Heaven forbid if it comes…….but if it does it will come with a smiley face and wearing Nikes instead of jackboots. It will be a purely Americanized version……….
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Athos Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:35:46am |
re: #191 vagabond trader
The only reason the left wants a draft is to use it as a “teaching moment” on the horrors of compulsory service. Especially if your 30 year old child gets called up.They can then protest and wail, which in turn will weaken our military. Sounds crazy,yes. As explained to me by a moonbat and I believe it.
A number of moonbats that I know are fully in favor of compulsory national service of some type - just not military, or more accurately, in the military if it is actually deployed outside of the country in combat operations. They apparently see and rationalize the ‘need’ to provide services and functions in the name of the state.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:36:25am |
re: #204 buzzsawmonkey
Read Sinclair Lewis’s It Can’t Happen Here,
While I still insist that we have many safeguards against this (including an armed citizenry), I’ll admit that Sinclair Lewis was eerily prescient in, for instance, his prediction of Lorena Babbitt.
/what?
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:36:27am |
re: #220 Athos
A number of moonbats that I know are fully in favor of compulsory national service of some type - just not military, or more accurately, in the military if it is actually deployed outside of the country in combat operations. They apparently see and rationalize the ‘need’ to provide services and functions in the name of the state.
With the exception of themselves, of course.
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CommonCents Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:36:31am |
Is it just me or does it seem like the left are pulling all the “short hairs” of conservatives in order to distract them from looking at the porkulus bill that is currently the hot item in Congress. I’ve heard more about the potential to discuss the Fairness Doctrine in the last couple days and ZERO discussion of the health care switcheroo in a pork spending bill.
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DistantThunder Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:37:13am |
re: #209 taxfreekiller
Why, for pay should others fight for your freedom?
If you wish to live free, live in a country that has the rule of law and a constitution, you have to fight for it, every last man or woman. To do less gets you to were we are this moment.
But what has proven to be the most effective? Our current military of all volunteers has proven to be the most effective.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:37:45am |
I don’t think it will happen.
Like someone posted earlier, those will be Obama’s dead soldiers.
They won’t want to remind anyone of that.
Much like the silence after the 22 Pakistanis on his first day.
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:37:53am |
re: #211 republic
Everyone has their own way of dealing with trauma/Evil of the past.
I wish you well.
Oh, spare me your platitudes. Your impotent well-wishes do nothing to improve my life.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:38:32am |
re: #211 republic
Everyone has their own way of dealing with trauma/Evil of the past.
I wish you well.
It helps people to see evil much earlier than others.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:38:36am |
Obama: Caterpillar will rehire if stimulus passes
SPRINGFIELD, Va. – President Barack Obama said Wednesday that heavy-equipment maker Caterpillar has informed him it will rehire some of the thousands of workers it has laid off in recent weeks if Congress passes an economic stimulus bill.
Yeah, well he says lots of things, and his hearing sucks.
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Carl in Jerusalem Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:38:53am |
Charles,
Sorry for the dump and run comment.
I don’t understand why you say “even Robert Gates.” If Gates wasn’t a closet lefty or at least sympathetic to them, Obama would never have made him Secretary of Defense. Gates isn’t on our side anymore (he’s never been on our side here in Israel - he was one of the driving forces behind the Iraq Study Group a couple of years ago - but that’s a separate issue).
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:39:11am |
re: #222 Occasional Reader
While I still insist that we have many safeguards against this (including an armed citizenry), I’ll admit that Sinclair Lewis was eerily prescient in, for instance, his prediction of Lorena Babbitt.
/what?
I’m about 99.9% certain, that we are going to be much less armed by the end of the next 3 plus years.
Also, they are going to put so many new laws on the books regarding ammunition, that average Americans are not going to be able to afford much.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:39:25am |
re: #233 SasquatchOnSteroids
Well, see, then it’s going to work! Another O-Fraud Miracle!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:39:52am |
re: #230 Ben Hur
I don’t think it will happen.
Like someone posted earlier, those will be Obama’s dead soldiers.
They won’t want to remind anyone of that.
I think you’re right.
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:04am |
re: #207 victor_yugo
The only way you could be correct in your “I will never be a victim” statement is if you do die fighting. God help you if you survive, cuz that would mean you were wrong.
re: #197 victor_yugo
For that statement to be proven correct, VegasRick must go the entire rest of his life without being attacked. He may influence the odds, but he cannot reduce them to zero.
Oh, and “I refuse to be a victim”? Bullshit. When you wake up in the night, after re-living in your dreams the trauma that someone else caused, you’re a victim. It doesn’t matter if he’s behind bars, or even executed. The event defines your life in ways you can’t control. You’re a victim.
Obviously I have unintentionally struck a nerve. I just feel that the only way you can be a victim is if you allow yourself to be. I understand that bad things have and will impact my life. I live my life as a fatalist and know that God has a plan for all, the rest is just life IMHO.
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:05am |
At prayer breakfast this morning our one Obama voter was left stammering. It finally dawns on him what he did.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:21am |
re: #237 Killgore Trout
I actually don’t think they smart enough to realize that…
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:37am |
re: #229 unreconstructed rebel
Leftists are ghouls.
I like to call them goblins, but ghouls works for me also.
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J Doc Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:39am |
A call for the draft is a political stunt. Nothing more, nothing less. It will never pass. I cannot imagine a situation in which congress would ever pass a new draft bill. Not going to happen folks.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:45am |
Read:
The Plot Against America: A Novel (ISBN 0-618-50928-3) is a novel by Philip Roth published in 2004. It is an alternate history in which Franklin Delano Roosevelt is defeated in the presidential election of 1940 by Charles Lindbergh.
Plot introduction
The novel follows the fortunes of the Roth family during the Lindbergh presidency, as antisemitism becomes more accepted in American life and Jewish-American families like the Roths are persecuted on various levels. The narrator and central character in the novel is the young Philip, and the care with which his confusion and terror are rendered makes the novel as much about the mysteries of growing up as about American politics. Roth based his novel on the isolationist ideas espoused by Lindbergh in real life as a spokesman for the America First Committee and his own experiences growing up in Newark, New Jersey. The novel depicts the Weequahic section of Newark which includes Weequahic High School from which Roth graduated.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:40:59am |
re: #220 Athos
A number of moonbats that I know are fully in favor of compulsory national service of some type - just not military, or more accurately, in the military if it is actually deployed outside of the country in combat operations. They apparently see and rationalize the ‘need’ to provide services and functions in the name of the state.
They believe that their government should control our lives.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:00am |
re: #166 DeafDog
We will not get out of the sickness our country is in by tiptoeing around the mainstream media.
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gonecamping Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:02am |
Within a day of the ban being llifted, AP or the Times will have photoshopped pictures showing thousands of coffins.
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Lincolntf Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:24am |
Yup, Long Island.
Here’s an excerpt from this link regarding their ultimate fate.
…The trial, which was held in secret at the Justice Department, occupied most of the month of July 1942. Biddle accused the Germans of coming to America to wreak havoc and death, basing his accusations on their own confessions. The would-be saboteurs pleaded innocence, denounced Hitler and insisted they had had no intention of actually engaging in sabotage.
The prosecution asked for the death penalty, the punishment required of spies during wartime, but it had a hard time making its case against Dasch and Burger, who had confessed so quickly and collaborated so completely.
On July 27, the defense rested. The seven generals quickly prepared a report and sent it–and the 3,000-page trial transcript–to Roosevelt who, under his proclamation, was responsible for determining the time and place of execution if that was the tribunal’s sentence. Now, finally, Roosevelt found out exactly how Hoover had managed to catch the saboteurs so quickly. He never made any public comment about it, however.
On August 8, six of the eight German agents were electrocuted at the District Jail in Washington, D.C. …
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:36am |
re: #158 Rednek
I can appreciate both views on this.
But the fact of the matter is that journalists are a ghoulish lot and they will take pictures that will let them push their narrative.
Expect to see:
Coffins in black and white.
Coffins with dark clouds in the background.
Coffins juxtaposed with weeping relatives.
Coffins with stark shadows.
Coffins on dreary rainy days.
Coffins lined up in rows going into the distance.
Coffins sitting alone.
Coffins with misleading captions.
Coffins with frank lies.Unless BHO is responsible for the coffins, in which case, you won’t see any.
What if the public started to see proud Americans waving flags? Veterans and children saluting their fallen heroes? Bereaved families standing together in strength and dignity? Maybe then patriotic Americans could fight back against the negativity of the anti-American media. Nobody was ashamed of the American dead in WWII and neither should they be so today.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:38am |
re: #233 SasquatchOnSteroids
Obama: Caterpillar will rehire if stimulus passes
Yeah, well he says lots of things, and his hearing sucks.
He’ll shut them down soon enough in interest of Mid East peace
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:40am |
re: #235 republic
I’m about 99.9% certain, that we are going to be much less armed by the end of the next 3 plus years.
Also, they are going to put so many new laws on the books regarding ammunition, that average Americans are not going to be able to afford much.
I fear you may be right. Given the atmosphere in DC with this new administration, I made the decision to join and support the NRA - something I’d never really thought so important in the past.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:46am |
re: #242 tfc3rid
Obama isn’t stupid and he’s very conscious of PR and public perception. I don’t think he’s going to allow it.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:53am |
re: #228 DistantThunder
But what has proven to be the most effective? Our current military of all volunteers has proven to be the most effective.
And also, while the argument that compulsory military service will produce sounder, free citizens certainly has its merits, we do have the unfortunate evidence that the draft of the 50s and 60s produced a bumper crop of America-hating hippie loons.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:56am |
re: #107 johnnyreb
You are more correct than you know. One of my friends had to escort a Sailors body back home for burial. Once he got on the plane, the pilot made an announcement that there was a fallen sailor on the plane being sent home for burial. My friend said nearly every single person on that plane came up and thanked him and expressed their sorrow for the sailor. When they landed he said nearly the entire airport almost shut down until the coffin was loaded into the hearse.
I say let them do this, it will backfire on them.
I think this is an excellent point. Also, we now have a volunteer military and I’d hazard a guess and say that many, if not most, who join have been raised with a sense of pride and patriotism. Publishing photos of flag-draped coffins might, in my humble opinion, cause those in the middle of the debate who perhaps have no connection to the wider events in the world to recognize that others are making the ultimate sacrifice so that we can all live in a free country.
Those on the left clearly beleive that publishing photos will turn more people against the more as it may have in Vietnam, but our armed forces were made of up of conscripts at that time. I also think this is part of the hand that Rangel is trying to play - if we get everyone in (not just the patriotic ones) and they are killed we can turn more of the country against the war.
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vagabond trader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:41:56am |
re: #220 Athos
I’m referring to the actual military only.The hard left would dearly love to subvert our ability and will to protect and defend.
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:42:15am |
re: #224 CommonCents
I think O is just using the little nitpick far left issues to appease that part of his base. He will do anything to keep his popularity up which is his focus, unlike some other former president. Listen to him talk, he still sounds like he is on a campaign incessantly trying to improve his ratings.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:42:20am |
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:42:44am |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
Oh I agree Obama is savvy enough to understand it… I had meant the leftist nutballs…
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:43:00am |
re: #233 SasquatchOnSteroids
Obama: Caterpillar will rehire if stimulus passes
SPRINGFIELD, Va. – President Barack Obama said Wednesday that heavy-equipment maker Caterpillar has informed him it will rehire some of the thousands of workers it has laid off in recent weeks if Congress passes an economic stimulus bill.
Yeah, well he says lots of things, and his hearing sucks.
Didn’t the Soviet Unions catastrophically ineffective five year plans also call for the building of tractors……….?
Do I remember correctly? I think so………
Eerily reminiscent.
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jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:43:11am |
re: #197 victor_yugo
For that statement to be proven correct, VegasRick must go the entire rest of his life without being attacked. He may influence the odds, but he cannot reduce them to zero.
Oh, and “I refuse to be a victim”? Bullshit. When you wake up in the night, after re-living in your dreams the trauma that someone else caused, you’re a victim. It doesn’t matter if he’s behind bars, or even executed. The event defines your life in ways you can’t control. You’re a victim.
You the actions of others may victimize you. You can choose going forward to continue to be a victim.
However Rick is not speaking of that. (if I may presume Rick)
The Democrats rely on victim groups for power. Black are victims of whites, women are victims of men, workers are victims of corporations, etc…
It’s group politics of the vilest sort. We are a nation of sovereign individuals who formed a government for mutual benefit.
The liberals want a victims who look to government for their needs.
I am not a victim who needs government to care for me.
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:43:16am |
Regarding the whole draft debate. If you had a draftee military, where the average stints were 2 years or less, you would need a military three to four times larger than the current to be as effective, at least in the Army.
There is nothing even remotely comparable in all of history with the effectiveness of the modern American military. And they are on the cusp (< 10 years) of some amazing applied technology that will increase that effectiveness another order of magnitude. This is what terrifies the left, the ultimate trump card to their schemes, applied violence.
The new big brother scenario is not about needing a strong savior during perpetual war, it is needing a strong pacifist to ensure there is no physical violence justified for any purpose. They can then confiscate as they need, without meaningful ramification.
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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:43:27am |
re: #182 Occasional Reader
You commie punk!
Michael Monsoor. Navy S.E.A.L.
Markus Lutrell (his S.E.A.L mate) wrote a book (The Lone Survivor) about the time Mikey won the CMH. Great book, a must read. I almost cried a few times reading it.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:43:48am |
re: #241 buzzsawmonkey
And there was an armed citizenry less used to government regulation and interference in their lives, when Lewis wrote It Can’t Happen Here.
Which was, of course, a work of fiction.
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gonecamping Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:44:04am |
re: #244 republic
I like to call them goblins, but ghouls works for me also.
No, the leftists are the ghouls….the greedy politicians are the goblins…goblin up all our tax money.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:44:30am |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:44:31am |
re: #265 LGoPs
Didn’t the Soviet Unions catastrophically ineffective five year plans also call for the building of tractors……….?
Do I remember correctly? I think so………
Eerily reminiscent.
Nonsense, tovarish; any resemblance between the Dear Leader and any other socialist dictator, living or dead, real or imagined, in purely coincidental. (except for the Socialist-Realist style posters; those are cool.)
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:44:41am |
re: #227 MandyManners
I admire the Democrats’ leadership per se.
You’re right Mandy, but an additional factor that the Democrats have is the unquestioning support of the MFM. And that gives them an incalculable advantage……..
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bulwrk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:44:44am |
Among other things the draft is a backdoor way (pardon the pun) to repeal the military’s don’t ask don’t tell policy.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:45:01am |
re: #254 Ben Hur
He’ll shut them down soon enough in interest of Mid East peace
You mean Obama isn’t going to let them get out the 2010 D-9 Special “St. Pancake” Edition?
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jwb7605 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:45:07am |
I’ve got a few things to do.
While I’m doing them, I’m going to try to wrap my head around the arguments presented on why the left wants to resurrect the draft.
It still makes little sense to me.
If successful, and if the Dems vote for it and the Repubs vote against (which seems logical), it is the Democrat party that stands to lose favor in the public perception, no matter what happens regarding future military actions. As the economy worsens, voluntary enlistments will rise just because there are no jobs available.
Using the military to intervene into civilian affairs is … how do I put this … illegal and unconstitutional.
What will happen to places like San Francisco that violently oppose the military even though there is no draft now?
Charles Rangel needs publicity from Republicans.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:45:44am |
re: #186 subsailor68
Lots of good posts about Obama vs Wilson, FDR, etc.
It seems to me that if you read Amity Schlaes’ “The Forgotten Man” and Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” back to back, you’ll have a very good idea of what we have to look forward to.
And it’s not pretty.
What else have you read lately? I read both of those books as well? Have you read America Alone?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:46:09am |
re: #272 MandyManners
I cannot see his name without thinking of Portnoy’s Complaint. Gah.
Philip Roth is a vomitous Jew-hating Jew. (I won’t say he is self-hating, because he is deeply in love with Philip Roth)
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:46:17am |
re: #264 Ojoe
Thank you.
In my opinion, Bush’s biggest failure was as a communicator. His decision to try to hide the returning fallen heroes was a mistake. It handed the left a stick which they used to beat him and the US military with.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:47:25am |
re: #282 MandyManners
I cannot see his name without thinking of Portnoy’s Complaint. Gah.
Enough about Portnoy’s Complaint. Let’s talk about Obama’s package, whether he’ll get enough stimlulus from it, and the role of Boehner.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:47:45am |
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:47:52am |
re: #240 unreconstructed rebel
At prayer breakfast this morning our one Obama voter was left stammering. It finally dawns on him what he did.
What was it that actually bothered him?
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BigAl Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:19am |
BHO is again off-base. What possibly could be gained by this. Military service, by definition, is dangerous. Hometown news stories might be acceptable, but photos at Dover Air Force Base make no sense.
This is just another example of BHO reversing Bush policies regardless of merit. In my opinion, he is an unqualified, overpaid CEO. Commander-in-chief? What a mistake the American people made.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:26am |
re: #281 Leonidas Hoplite
What else have you read lately? I read both of those books as well? Have you read America Alone?
I haven’t read that one yet. Is it good? A couple of lizards have recommended “New Deal, Raw Deal”, so I may pick that one up. I’d also like to read a couple of Thomas Sowell’s books on economics.
For a “guilty pleasure” you might want to take a look at John Ringo’s novel “The Last Centurion.” If ya do, I’d love to hear what you think of it.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:27am |
re: #285 MandyManners
But, this is NOT Rwanda.
And if we’re going to turn into an impoverished African-style nation wracked with civil war, I at least demand to be breast-fed by Salma Hayek.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:28am |
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:35am |
re: #239 VegasRick
Obviously I have unintentionally struck a nerve. I just feel that the only way you can be a victim is if you allow yourself to be. I understand that bad things have and will impact my life. I live my life as a fatalist and know that God has a plan for all, the rest is just life IMHO.
A high-school girl very close to here was attacked, bound, and raped. She told her attacker as he was committing the crime, that he would not get away with it, he would lose his freedom, and she would still have hers, and she would be there to watch him become a ward of the State.
Everything she said came true, and she reminded him of it in open court. But it did not make her any less a victim.
Your glib phrases may serve you well in health, but when their emptiness is exposed, the pieces of your life will only remind you how false was your hope.
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republic Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:36am |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
Obama isn’t stupid and he’s very conscious of PR and public perception. I don’t think he’s going to allow it.
His popularity rating has torpedoed under 60% in a matter of a few short weeks, he’s not blinking an eye.
It’s Alinsky full speed ahead, the country be damned.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:48am |
re: #286 Occasional Reader
Enough about Portnoy’s Complaint. Let’s talk about Obama’s package, whether he’ll get enough stimlulus from it, and the role of Boehner.
I knew I could count on an upding from Ben Hur.
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jcm Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:48:51am |
re: #286 Occasional Reader
Enough about Portnoy’s Complaint. Let’s talk about Obama’s package, whether he’ll get enough stimlulus from it, and the role of Boehner.
Look only Michelle can talk about Obama’s package, and the stimulus of said package.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:49:40am |
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Athos Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:00am |
re: #216 Kenneth
Thanks for that info.
I do think that in many parts of the US, the American people will react in a very similar manner. However, seeing the hard left pinheads with their crosses in the sand at Santa Monica and Santa Barbara, they will not honor the sacrifice or respect the sacrifice that these soldiers make. They seek to use that sacrifice as a cudgel against policies that they don’t support and against a country that they don’t really support. It is just another prop to them in their political theater.
When Ronald Reagan died, here in LA County and Ventura County, hundreds of thousands stood in line, stood along the road / overpasses, to pay their respects. But the pinheads who opposed his values and policies, even though few in number, got ‘equal’ treatment in the media because his conservative values and policies had to be demonized as opposed to being lionized.
Ultimately, I think that it is more of a disservice to let the left use those who made the ultimate sacrifice as a prop to their theater than it is to show the photos of their arrival back to the US. The American people will still show their respect and honor them as many do today in airports and towns across the country. But let’s not the left push them into political theater. It dishonors them and their sacrifice.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:11am |
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:24am |
re: #301 LGoPs
I see your point, but I don’t know what you’re trying to say……
:)
Weird stuff, spinning wheel and all.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:28am |
re: #301 LGoPs
I see your point, but I don’t know what you’re trying to say……
:)
Oh that’s terrific!
LOL!
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:32am |
re: #286 Occasional Reader
Enough about Portnoy’s Complaint. Let’s talk about Obama’s package, whether he’ll get enough stimlulus from it, and the role of Boehner.
ROTFLMAO. I almost picked Thereal McCoy as my nic
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:45am |
re: #257 Occasional Reader
And also, while the argument that compulsory military service will produce sounder, free citizens certainly has its merits, we do have the unfortunate evidence that the draft of the 50s and 60s produced a bumper crop of America-hating hippie loons.
You and your lying eyes.
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saberry0530 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:50:48am |
re: #299 jcm
Look only Michelle can talk about Obama’s package, and the stimulus of said package.
Had to down ding ya on that one, Has WAY TOO MUCH info.
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DeafDog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:51:32am |
re: #247 ploome hineni
the problem wih Abu Gharib was that it was allowed to get blownup out of proportion.
absolutely no concept of damage control
the Government bought into and amplfied a crime into the defining actions of the army in Iraq
There were many problems wih Abu Gharib, not least of which was that the ‘goings-on’ there were criminal. The reason that story resonated, however, were the photos - that were shown relentlessly.
Based on that experience, I waiver on which direction Gates should take here.
It’s totally within Obama’s right to order this review. Gates needs a well reasoned opinion on changing or keeping the rule.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:51:33am |
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:52:15am |
re: #296 victor_yugo
A high-school girl very close to here was attacked, bound, and raped. She told her attacker as he was committing the crime, that he would not get away with it, he would lose his freedom, and she would still have hers, and she would be there to watch him become a ward of the State.
Everything she said came true, and she reminded him of it in open court. But it did not make her any less a victim.
Your glib phrases may serve you well in health, but when their emptiness is exposed, the pieces of your life will only remind you how false was your hope.
I would point out that she clearly didn’t rejoice in - or allow herself to be crushed by - being a victim. That seems very important to me.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:52:43am |
re: #293 subsailor68
I haven’t read that one yet. Is it good? A couple of lizards have recommended “New Deal, Raw Deal”, so I may pick that one up. I’d also like to read a couple of Thomas Sowell’s books on economics.
For a “guilty pleasure” you might want to take a look at John Ringo’s novel “The Last Centurion.” If ya do, I’d love to hear what you think of it.
Highly recommend America Alone - it’s short so you should be able to plow through it fairly easily.
I will check out Last Centurion - I need a distraction.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:52:57am |
re: #299 jcm
Look only Michelle can talk about Obama’s package, and the stimulus of said package.
Thank our lucky stars for that!
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DeafDog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:53:22am |
re: #249 Ojoe
No shit. Nor will we get the sickness out by being carelessly disrespectful of the dead.
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CommonCents Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:53:58am |
re: #260 turn
I think O is just using the little nitpick far left issues to appease that part of his base. He will do anything to keep his popularity up which is his focus, unlike some other former president. Listen to him talk, he still sounds like he is on a campaign incessantly trying to improve his ratings.
To me there is nothing more important than this sham bill they have going. They don’t want review, they don’t want debate. It seems in a vain attempt to squash criticism, they are tossing out all these other far-left ideas to distract. In the meantime, the devils in Congress are getting ready to ram a bunch of hippie crap down our throats. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear some Roe v. Wade or Stemcell B.S. tossed out by someone if debate on the porkulus goes a couple more days.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:54:11am |
re: #302 Athos
My point is that the left is free to dishonor our troops because patriots have ceded that ground to them. Given the opportunity, the American people would have sided with the troops.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:54:12am |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:54:26am |
Still trying to understand what anyone hopes to gain by allowing photos of the coffins of our fallen heroes. What’s in it for them?
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:54:36am |
re: #315 Leonidas Hoplite
Highly recommend America Alone - it’s short so you should be able to plow through it fairly easily.
I will check out Last Centurion - I need a distraction.
Thanks! I’ll pick it up.
(Here’s something cool. I recommend Last Centurion and then see Dianna’s arrived. John Ringo is a friend of hers.)
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VegasRick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:54:49am |
re: #296 victor_yugo
A high-school girl very close to here was attacked, bound, and raped. She told her attacker as he was committing the crime, that he would not get away with it, he would lose his freedom, and she would still have hers, and she would be there to watch him become a ward of the State.
Everything she said came true, and she reminded him of it in open court. But it did not make her any less a victim.
Your glib phrases may serve you well in health, but when their emptiness is exposed, the pieces of your life will only remind you how false was your hope.
I think you just made my point. And I’m not being glib, with that said, you sir are on gaze mode for me.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:55:12am |
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
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Lincolntf Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:55:24am |
re: #300 taxfreekiller
If his primary concern is the over-stretched Army, then perhaps he should advocate for what every other entity dioes when they need more employees. Raise the pay.
I was a soldier in the early 90’s with no kids, no wife, no bills and I was all set. But there were E-5’s and E-6’s on base who rec’d food stamps despite the subsidized food/housing. They were busting their asses, and they were stone broke.
I’m not saying that Patriotism shouldn’t be enough of a motivator, but any modern 18-year old who sees that his base pay is gonna be 13 or 14 grand a year is gonna have second thoughts.
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Catttt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:55:43am |
OT:
an excerpt from a Politico piece today:
POTUS’s incredibly wordy news conference Monday night left some Senate GOP aides speechless.
“I sort of drifted in and out of consciousness,” one aide snarked about the lengthy answers Obama offered. So lengthy, in fact, it was hard to tell if he answered the question. Anyhow, more than one declared: “It made me miss W.”
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victor_yugo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:55:48am |
re: #294 Occasional Reader
And if we’re going to turn into an impoverished African-style nation wracked with civil war, I at least demand to be breast-fed by Salma Hayek.
No, my friend, you will be a bottle baby. >:-D
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:56:15am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Oh, good gravy. You just had to, didn’t you?
I’m always looking for the silver lining.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:56:27am |
re: #323 subsailor68
Thanks! I’ll pick it up.
(Here’s something cool. I recommend Last Centurion and then see Dianna’s arrived. John Ringo is a friend of hers.)
Last Centurion is a lot of fun, I must say.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:56:48am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
Yes! We are all individuals!
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:57:13am |
Heh. I was just listening to Rush here. He made a joking comparison of Obama to Castro because Obama took 12 minutes to answer a question and said nothing. Then PBS comes on and has a show where they compare Obama to Castro in a positive light.
Is it just me, or is life imitating satire?
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:57:21am |
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:58:12am |
re: #322 Guanxi88
Still trying to understand what anyone hopes to gain by allowing photos of the coffins of our fallen heroes. What’s in it for them?
Fodder for the Moon Bat propaganda machine, I can only imagine how Fred Phelps would use those photographs.
*spit*
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:58:19am |
re: #322 Guanxi88
Still trying to understand what anyone hopes to gain by allowing photos of the coffins of our fallen heroes. What’s in it for them?
The idea is that we, as a nation, will never want to go to war again if we see bodies coming back. Same goes for the draft - if your kid gets drafted, you will be a pacifist.
It takes a truly unprincipled and spoiled coward to promote either option on those “merits”
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:58:24am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
It’s all about form, not substance.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:58:48am |
re: #332 Dianna
Last Centurion is a lot of fun, I must say.
Absolutely! I posted a thought yesterday, but think you may already have been gone:
At first I thought the novel would make a great movie. But the more I thought about it, with the real high quality work coming out of some of the cable networks (as opposed to the majors of course), I’d kinda like to see it as a miniseries - to be able to capture the whole thread.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:59:24am |
re: #336 buzzsawmonkey
I would argue that he has deeply ambivalent feelings about himself too
So Roth is sometimes wroth with Roth?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:59:36am |
re: #337 Dustyvet
Fodder for the Moon Bat propaganda machine, I can only imagine how Fred Phelps would use those photographs.
*spit*
But the moonbats came as close to a victory as they could have hoped - The One, as he never tires of reminding us, is the president.
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vxbush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:59:40am |
re: #335 unreconstructed rebel
Allowed himself to be played for a fool.
Except if he was a fool, it’s hard for him to be upset about it.
/tough day
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jjmckay1216 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 9:59:41am |
OT and sorry. But that orgasmic mickie d’s worker has landed a job for the day as the color broadcaster for Fort Myers Miracle baseball team’s radio broadcast for its home opener April 10. Ask a question that makes no sense and you become a braodcaster. I’m in the biz for 30 years, yet I’m unemplyed/
WTF?
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:09am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
Democrats are goddammed sheep, incapable of thinking for themselves and gladly led down the road by their pied pipers……
And they call us stupid……
*Spit*
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gymmom Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:12am |
re: #190 republic
I wonder what folks think about the undercover FBI agent’s recordings of Ayers specificly saying that as many as 1/4 of U.S. citizens would need to be eliminated because they would not go through the re-education camps?
The media would have to report it for the folks to even think about it.
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CommonCents Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:15am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
From their perspective, “winning the War on Terror” means taking over the House, Senate and White House. That’s why their numbers are up.
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:22am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
Dang, my comment got misplaced. I’ll try again -
It’s all about form, not substance.
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mean Gene Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:27am |
OT:
Has 0bama flown over the OK twister site yet?
Called FEMA?
Or did the OK’ies vote the ”wrong way” as did those in KY?
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:29am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I remained an active victim of the man who raped me at gun-point for a while but, through hard work in therapy and elsewhere, I became a FORMER victim. Through EMDR, I was able to capture the repressed memories that precipitated the flashbacks that were at the core of PTSD.
It’s in the mind-set. I could’ve continued to cling to my status as a victim and become a perpetual victim but, I chose not to do so.
I still have my moments of anger and hatred but, they do not dictate me.
I’d just like to say that you are one terrific lady!
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Lincolntf Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:50am |
re: #346 jjmckay1216
Celebrity Deathmatch: Joe the Plumber vs. Julio the Hamburger Man.
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DeafDog Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:00:58am |
Another tangental point that has not yet been raised is the Mohomed Cartoons - which most newspapers refused to run.
The MSM is intimidated by our enemies.
The MSM does not seem, however, to show the same respect to the sensibilities of Americans.
——-just saying that the BAN may not be such a bad thing.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:05am |
re: #343 Occasional Reader
So Roth is sometimes wroth with Roth?
His autobiography, The Grapes of Roth, leaves much to be desired.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:06am |
re: #338 karmic_inquisitor
The idea is that we, as a nation, will never want to go to war again if we see bodies coming back. Same goes for the draft - if your kid gets drafted, you will be a pacifist.
It takes a truly unprincipled and spoiled coward to promote either option on those “merits”
There might be something to this, of course, but it’s still dangerous. Barry made lots of noise about ending the engagements abroad (never came right out and said it, of course, but left everyone hearing what he or she wanted to hear) and expectations are there that he’ll bring the troops home. Every day he does not is another day his image could be tarnished by reality.
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:08am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I remained an active victim of the man who raped me at gun-point for a while but, through hard work in therapy and elsewhere, I became a FORMER victim. Through EMDR, I was able to capture the repressed memories that precipitated the flashbacks that were at the core of PTSD.
It’s in the mind-set. I could’ve continued to cling to my status as a victim and become a perpetual victim but, I chose not to do so.
I still have my moments of anger and hatred but, they do not dictate me.
God bless you.
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CommonCents Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:21am |
re: #352 mean Gene
OT:
Has 0bama flown over the OK twister site yet?
Called FEMA?
Or did the OK’ies vote the ”wrong way” as did those in KY?
Obama hates Steers and Queers!
/
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unreconstructed rebel Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:24am |
My boss is starting to look annoyed. Later, Yall.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:28am |
re: #341 subsailor68
The idea of doing it as a miniseries has been mentioned - you might try looking for the website. As I recall, the “movie/miniseries” tab was labeled “Yeah, right”, but that might change.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:01:47am |
re: #339 unreconstructed rebel
It’s all about form, not substance.
Well that is exactly what Dems must be “thinking” because, as you will see further in the video, they now think Iraq is doing really well because of Obama.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:00am |
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:02am |
re: #313 Dianna
I thought you might have much more to say on that particular topic.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:20am |
re: #362 Dianna
The idea of doing it as a miniseries has been mentioned - you might try looking for the website. As I recall, the “movie/miniseries” tab was labeled “Yeah, right”, but that might change.
Thanks, I’ll take a look at the site. And keep my fingers crossed.
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jjmckay1216 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:23am |
re: #354 Lincolntf
I like that! You have been DINGED!
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Catttt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:28am |
re: #323 subsailor68
Thanks! I’ll pick it up.
(Here’s something cool. I recommend Last Centurion and then see Dianna’s arrived. John Ringo is a friend of hers.)
Added to my wish list.
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Ben Hur Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:02:48am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Warning - This may make you throw up.
Per Rasmussen, the number of Democrats in the last month who think we are “winning the war on terror” has almost doubled in the last month. (57% from 35%).
Republicans have held steady at over 70%.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Who are the mindless partisans? Given that Obama has not changed many policies of Bush except to announce a Gitmo closure (without details), how can Democrats suddenly see we are “winning”?
Dude, did you not hear Obama?
He won.
They won.
Their war on terror was against George W Bush.
Silly person.
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vxbush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:03:23am |
re: #346 jjmckay1216
OT and sorry. But that orgasmic mickie d’s worker has landed a job for the day as the color broadcaster for Fort Myers Miracle baseball team’s radio broadcast for its home opener April 10. Ask a question that makes no sense and you become a braodcaster. I’m in the biz for 30 years, yet I’m unemplyed/
WTF?
Ability does not matter anymore. I think Holllywood has proved that over and over.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:04:14am |
re: #369 Catttt
Added to my wish list.
Great! I really think you’ll love it.
(Hey, Dianna - tell John Ringo we’re sellin’ books here. Heh.)
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:04:22am |
re: #370 MandyManners
If anyone reading this has PTSD or knows someone who does, I urge you to research EMDR and find a therapist who is trained in it in your area. It litterally saved my life.
I have heard many good things about the Eye Movement therapy; it’s amazing to me that anyone can have gone through what you did and:
1) Still be around, coherent, and productive; and
2) Be able to talk about it.
Tough cookie, someone else said. I’ll take that as a place to start. I tip my hat to you.
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jjmckay1216 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:04:24am |
re: #375 vxbush
Very true, but If I asked BHO a question, I would be investigated, lol
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:04:27am |
re: #363 karmic_inquisitor
Well that is exactly what Dems must be “thinking” because, as you will see further in the video, they now think Iraq is doing really well because of Obama.
You are correct….they don’t think. They are all part of the collective. Just like the fucking Borg. Only the Borg were preferable because I think they had a little bit of a sense of humor……..
/
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:04:48am |
re: #319 CommonCents
Good point, maybe a little bit of both. I for one hope this package actually works to put the economy back on track, unfortunately most of what I’ve read says it won’t happen.
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Born_to_lose Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:05:03am |
This is off topic. But i am pissed…
So basically, we are supposed to just accept Socialism because… IT’S MORE EUROPEAN!?!?! Give me an effin’ break! I don’t WANT to be more like the French, thank you! F*** Socialism. Argh.
Ok, head done exploding (yes, there were multiple explosions).
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:05:20am |
re: #365 turn
I thought you might have much more to say on that particular topic.
Brevity seemed to be useful, there.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:05:50am |
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:05:56am |
re: #319 CommonCents
To me there is nothing more important than this sham bill they have going. They don’t want review, they don’t want debate. It seems in a vain attempt to squash criticism, they are tossing out all these other far-left ideas to distract. In the meantime, the devils in Congress are getting ready to ram a bunch of hippie crap down our throats. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear some Roe v. Wade or Stemcell B.S. tossed out by someone if debate on the porkulus goes a couple more days.
/I know….WND, Jerome Corsi…..but he is ‘someone’
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:06:16am |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
It’s all about perception …. at least for those who don’t have a mind of their own.
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Catttt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:06:26am |
re: #372 buzzsawmonkey
“The Dean is angry. He’s waxing wroth!”
“Tell Roth to wax the Dean for a while.”—Groucho, to secretary, in “Horse Feathers”
God, I love it when people quote Groucho.
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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:06:38am |
re: #342 MandyManners
You are in my prayers every night Mandy. To overcome what you have is nothing but inspirational. God Blessed you
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:06:40am |
re: #356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
His autobiography, The Grapes of Roth, leaves much to be desired.
Wouldn’t that be The Gripes of Roth?
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:06:58am |
re: #354 Lincolntf
Let’s get it on!
Good fight! Good Night!
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:07:10am |
re: #212 MandyManners
We don’t have the same history as Europe. In fact, many of our ancestors left there because they valued life and liberty differently than their peers.
True, but values aren’t genetic. And the left has been indoctrinating our kids as hard as they can for generations now.
Haven’t you noticed how many people think that conservative opinions should never be seen or heard in public? Or that a noisy segment of the left thinks nothing of shouting “killers” at the right - and a much larger segment of the left looks on and fails to object?
Have you forgotten that a baseball player (admittedly an idiot who apparently had some bigoted ideas) was sent very publicly to tolerance camp a few years ago?
This is where it begins: hatred, silencing, and forced reeducation.
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redstateredneck Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:07:12am |
re: #352 mean Gene
OT:
Has 0bama flown over the OK twister site yet?
Called FEMA?
Or did the OK’ies vote the ”wrong way” as did those in KY?
He hasn’t read that far on his position description yet.
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Kragar Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:07:13am |
OT
I love emails like this, sent to a group,
“Send me your goals for the year, must be measurable, need it in 15 minutes.”
I responded: To increase my capacity to love and be loved and lose 20 lbs.
I figure I’ll get clarification in the next 10 minutes.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:07:38am |
re: #366 subsailor68
Thanks, I’ll take a look at the site. And keep my fingers crossed.
You’ve seen the jokes about turning Ghost into a movie, right? “Doing research in ‘topless’ (not the word employed) bars” was the starting remark, and it went downhill from there, but it was really funny.
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vxbush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:07:49am |
re: #381 jjmckay1216
Very true, but If I asked BHO a question, I would be investigated, lol
Yup, yup.
You know, I look back over my life, and who knew that the 80’s were going to be “the good old days”?
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:08:13am |
re: #390 Catttt
God, I love it when people quote Groucho.
Like this one?
All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:08:20am |
Via Hot Air Headlines…..
Japanese Blackface Obama: Yes We Can Be Incredibly Inappropriate (VIDEO)
I don’t see it as racist. The Japanese have no concept of the old minstrel shows and I don’t detect anything racist. My only critique is they should have made his ears bigger.
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:08:48am |
re: #384 Born_to_lose
So basically, we are supposed to just accept Socialism because… IT’S MORE EUROPEAN!?!?! Give me an effin’ break!
Oh yes. To a typical lefty, being more like Europe is just so obvious a given that they cannot comprehend anyone disagreeing with it.
Except for nuclear power. They like to ignore that.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:08:58am |
OT - but,
Just heard on the radio, no link. So, they are hacking out the details on the stimulus bill right now, and guess what, well, they decreased the tax credit to 400 and 800.
This bill is SO designed to line the pockets of big union, big business, big special interest and big political contributers.
Really, even all the liberal who are for this will not see any benefits or changes in their life.
Wanna bet?
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:09:04am |
re: #397 Dianna
You’ve seen the jokes about turning Ghost into a movie, right? “Doing research in ‘topless’ (not the word employed) bars” was the starting remark, and it went downhill from there, but it was really funny.
No, I haven’t seen those. I’ll have to take a look.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:09:18am |
re: #342 MandyManners
I remained an active victim of the man who raped me at gun-point for a while but, through hard work in therapy and elsewhere, I became a FORMER victim. Through EMDR, I was able to capture the repressed memories that precipitated the flashbacks that were at the core of PTSD.
It’s in the mind-set. I could’ve continued to cling to my status as a victim and become a perpetual victim but, I chose not to do so.
I still have my moments of anger and hatred but, they do not dictate me.
Sorry to hear of your tribulation! But I’m glad you’ve fought to overcome it… takes a real fighter. God bless you.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:10:25am |
| 407 |
Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:10:33am |
re: #401 Silhouette
Oh yes. To a typical lefty, being more like Europe is just so obvious a given that they cannot comprehend anyone disagreeing with it.
Except for nuclear power. They like to ignore that.
And ignore that more people died in Europe in the 20th century than…than…jeez its so many people there are no apt historical comparisons
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CommonCents Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:10:42am |
re: #388 eschew_obfuscation
/I know….WND, Jerome Corsi…..but he is ‘someone’
Damn, right on queue. Useful idiots.
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:10:48am |
re: #352 mean Gene
OT:
Has 0bama flown over the OK twister site yet?
Called FEMA?
Or did the OK’ies vote the ”wrong way” as did those in KY?
That’s above his pay grade…
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tobariv Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:07am |
My daughter’s friend was killed in Iraq. The entire High School attended the funeral. The military was so respectful. Viewing the coffins should make us understand how truly evil these people are. So sad that people don’t take pride in our people.
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coquimbojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:28am |
I think showing the coffins is a bad idea because it smacks of voyeurism to me. On the other hand it might bring home to some that our real treasure is being expended in this war.
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:31am |
re: #400 Killgore Trout
Oh that’s funny. I have to read the comments on this one. How do you dig up this stuff KG, you never cease to amaze me.
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lobo91 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:36am |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
OT - but,
Just heard on the radio, no link. So, they are hacking out the details on the stimulus bill right now, and guess what, well, they decreased the tax credit to 400 and 800.
This bill is SO designed to line the pockets of big union, big business, big special interest and big political contributers.
Really, even all the liberal who are for this will not see any benefits or changes in their life.
Wanna bet?
They’re also planning to take out the alternative minimum tax (AMT) relief that’s in the bill now.
So much for “middle class tax relief”…
| 414 |
Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:36am |
re: #400 Killgore Trout
Um…you know just how racist the Japanese can be, right? I keep getting terrible shocks from it.
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vxbush Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:42am |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
OT - but,
Just heard on the radio, no link. So, they are hacking out the details on the stimulus bill right now, and guess what, well, they decreased the tax credit to 400 and 800.
This bill is SO designed to line the pockets of big union, big business, big special interest and big political contributers.
Really, even all the liberal who are for this will not see any benefits or changes in their life.
Wanna bet?
It wouldn’t be so bad if I felt that they were going to leave things alone enough at some point that the stock market could rebound and gain confidence in the system again. But I have seen and heard nothing to make me believe that they are going to leave things alone.
How long will the citizens of the US allow this to go on, unchecked? It is going to be a long time until the midterm elections. I know I’m just quoting everyone else here, but today it is hitting me harder than usual.
If this educates the liberals into understanding economics a bit better, I might be willing to put up with it. But history has shown that liberals really don’t learn—or if they do, then they are replaced by other liberals.
| 417 |
Bloodnok Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:43am |
re: #379 MandyManners
[Link: www.emdr.com…]
I am a private guy so I won’t unload. But this is seriously something I will look at. Thank you, Mandy.
| 418 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:50am |
| 419 |
phoenixgirl Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:12:08am |
re: #400 Killgore Trout
Via Hot Air Headlines…..
Japanese Blackface Obama: Yes We Can Be Incredibly Inappropriate (VIDEO)I don’t see it as racist. The Japanese have no concept of the old minstrel shows and I don’t detect anything racist. My only critique is they should have made his ears bigger.
lol, some audience members were doing “white face”…..blond japanese?
| 420 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:12:32am |
re: #389 turn
It’s all about perception …. at least for those who don’t have a mind of their own.
That is what I warned many folks about before the election.
People who would normally vote Republican but were going to pull for Obama so we could put the past behind us, improve our image and reunite the country.
They actually bought the idea that a good PR man could “fix” our problems.
Noticed what happens to the market every time he opens his mouth? Notice that Obama has been unable to articulate a reason to vote for his “stimulus” package other than to create fear and warnings of an “Opacalypse” and then attack Republicans for not responding positively to his “I Won” overtures?
Obama sucks at any PR that is not centered on promoting himself.
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JHW Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:13:12am |
re: #386 buzzsawmonkey
You probably already know this buzz, but Kipling had a so killed in WW1 and he , Kipling Sr., wrote a history of the unit The Irish Guards in the Great War/. Unit histories can sometimes be a bit dry, but this is usually acknowledged as one of the finest of the many British unit histories to come out of WW1. Recommended.
| 422 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:13:40am |
The way the Republicans folded even before the convention makes me wonder how accurate the lyrics are to this Timbuk3 song, Just Another Movie:
Presidential elections are planned distractions
To divert attention from the action behind the scenes
like a game of chess when the house is a mess
Or a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble
Or a football game when there’s rioting in the streets
Boy, am I getting cynical.
| 424 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:13:55am |
re: #413 lobo91
They’re also planning to take out the alternative minimum tax (AMT) relief that’s in the bill now.
So much for “middle class tax relief”…
It’s not for us. The words for today are “plutocracy” and “kleptocracy.”
| 425 |
lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:13:56am |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
Oh, it’s much worse than that…
The Conference Committee has managed to reconcile the two versions, and the plan is now supposedly below $800 billion.
Democratic aides said that Obama’s negotiating team had prevailed in restoring some lost funding for school construction projects during talks Tuesday, and had also increased aid to state governments above the $39 billion approved in a compromise with a handful of Senate GOP moderates.Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit would be reduced from $500 per worker to $400, with couples eligible for an $800 credit, instead of $1,000, said a Democratic aide close to the talks. This aide spoke on condition of anonymity because the negotiations are private.
Earlier Tuesday, the Senate sailed to approval of its $838 billion economic stimulus bill, but with only three moderate Republicans signing on and then demanding the bill’s cost go down when the final version emerges from negotiations.
Negotiators initially were working with a target of about $800 billion for the final bill, lawmakers said. But GOP moderate Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said Tuesday night on MSNBC’s “Hardball” that he was insisting on a figure at around $780 billion.
Baucus had said earlier that $35.5 billion to provide a $15,000 homebuyer tax credit, approved in the Senate last week, would be cut back. There was also pressure to reduce a Senate-passed tax break for new car buyers, according to Democratic officials.
They didn’t cut the spending, but instead limited quite a few of tax cuts offered, including one put forth by Obama. Nice.
As far as bipartisanship is concerned, only three GOPers are involved in the process in any way, shape, or form - Sen. Arlen Specter, Olympia Snows, and Susan Collins. This is a Democratic show, and it’s a farce. They’ve spent a few hours coming up with this mess, and it’s going to cost Americans dearly.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:14:08am |
re: #17 Kenneth
By the way, in Canada, the media runs photos of our soldiers coffins returning from Afghanistan, and video coverage of the ramp ceremonies at Kandahar airfield. While it does get some lefties pseudo-indignant, it also inspires a great deal of patriotism & understanding. It cuts both ways.
the big difference is that the ramp ceremonies are the men and women who have served with the fallen. It is much more personal than some photographer taking cold pictures of two flag draped caskets.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:14:55am |
re: #424 Walter L. Newton
It’s not for us. The words for today are “plutocracy” and “kleptocracy.”
I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Oligarchy.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:15:09am |
re: #414 Dianna
Actually they are very racist far beyond what we have here in the states. Ethnic Koreans and Chinese face terrible discrimination in Japanese society. That skit, however, wasn’t even remotely racist. It was actually pretty damn funny.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:15:27am |
re: #416 vxbush
I agree. Just a little observation, and I’ll try not to make it too long.
I decided to tune in David Letterman last night (don’t really care much for his show), because his guests were “Sully” Sullenberger and his crew. Here’s a bit of what I learned.
Capt. Sullenberger’s plane was hit by a flock of birds, flaming out both engines. He realized he couldn’t make it back to LaGuardia, or even to Teterboro airport. He recognized that, by trying, he would endanger not only the passengers on the flight, but potentially cause devastation on the ground if he crashed in a populated area. So, he decided to do something else: let the plane do what came naturally (glide while losing altitude) and put down in the Hudson River. As he said last night, landing on the river would be a harder impact than landing on a runway, but it was the best decision. As we all know, he landed safely, with no major injuries, and all passengers rescued.
As I listened, I started thinking that this might be an analogy (albeit not a perfect one) to use when looking at the economy and the stimulus package.
The economy is like that plane. The engines have flamed out, and we’re gliding into freefall. The stimulus package, as written, is like trying to make LaGuardia or Teterboro. It can’t be done, and trying to do so could be catastrophic to all Americans – just like those folks on the ground.
Landing in the Hudson was harder than a landing on a runway, and a few folks were injured slightly. But all made it in the end, and the potential casualties on the ground were saved as well. Perhaps it would be better to take the harder landing option in the economy too.
Capt. Sullenberger had the experience, wisdom, and courage to make a tough decision – the correct one. He also had an experienced, skilled, and courageous crew that knew what they had to do also.
President Obama and his team don’t appear to have any of these, and I fear that in going forward, they’ll force a decision to try for either LaGuardia or Teterboro, and ignore the proper decision. In short, doing nothing may well be analogous to landing in the Hudson; a hard landing for sure, but ultimately a safer and more effective one.
Mr. Obama, I’m certain Capt. Sullenberger would take your call.
| 431 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:15:54am |
re: #414 Dianna
Um…you know just how racist the Japanese can be, right? I keep getting terrible shocks from it.
Just ask the Ainu.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:15am |
re: #421 JHW
You probably already know this buzz, but Kipling had a so killed in WW1 and he , Kipling Sr., wrote a history of the unit The Irish Guards in the Great War/. Unit histories can sometimes be a bit dry, but this is usually acknowledged as one of the finest of the many British unit histories to come out of WW1. Recommended.
There was a tv movie made into this starring Harry Pott…I mean Daniel Radcliff. Did anyone see it?
| 433 |
Eowyn2 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:25am |
re: #401 Silhouette
Oh yes. To a typical lefty, being more like Europe is just so obvious a given that they cannot comprehend anyone disagreeing with it.
Except for nuclear power. They like to ignore that.
250 yrs ago, our ancestors (and I mean just about everyone’s because there are very few ‘pure bloods’ in the US) started moving AWAY from Europe because it was, well, too European. Now the new government wants us to be more European. Let the circle be unbroken by and by ….
| 434 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:26am |
re: #416 vxbush
It wouldn’t be so bad if I felt that they were going to leave things alone enough at some point that the stock market could rebound and gain confidence in the system again. But I have seen and heard nothing to make me believe that they are going to leave things alone.
How long will the citizens of the US allow this to go on, unchecked? It is going to be a long time until the midterm elections. I know I’m just quoting everyone else here, but today it is hitting me harder than usual.
If this educates the liberals into understanding economics a bit better, I might be willing to put up with it. But history has shown that liberals really don’t learn—or if they do, then they are replaced by other liberals.
Well, according to a two part article this morning on CNN’s website, it’s not going over to well with the public, both sides. But, my point is, it doesn’t fucking matter since for Washington this is a grab for socialism, for big business, it’s a game they are going to play to get more money and for us, it’s the end of the country as we have know it.
Red, blue voters say stimulus gives them zilch
The only thing they have in common is that they’re the new blood on Capitol Hill. After that, the men and their voters are of the night-and-day ilk. But both lawmakers are catching the same flak about Congress’ plan to spend the economy back on its feet. Whether they are red or blue, voters want to know where are the jobs, mortgage help and health care. full story
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:44am |
re: #421 JHW
but Kipling had a son killed in WW1
“Have you news of my boy Jack?”
Not this tide.
“When d’you think that he’ll come back?”
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.
“Has any one else had word of him?”
Not this tide
For what is sunk will hardly swim,
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.
“Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?”
None this tide,
Nor any tide,
Except he did not shame his kind—
Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide.
Then hold your head up all the more,
This tide,
And every tide;
Because he was the son you bore,
And gave to that wind blowing and that tide!
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:55am |
re: #428 Killgore Trout
I watched, and shrugged, but I’m not sure what was meant by it.
Humor is individual.
| 437 |
debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:16:58am |
re: #335 unreconstructed rebel
Allowed himself to be played for a fool.
Good for him. Some never have that realization.
| 438 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:17:11am |
re: #414 Dianna
Um…you know just how racist the Japanese can be, right? I keep getting terrible shocks from it.
My buddy Shohei explained that the Japanese aren’t racist; rather, he said, they make distinctions among inferior peoples. I thought that was awfully big of him.
| 439 |
JHW Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:17:30am |
re: #432 Leonidas Hoplite
New to me. Thanks, I’ll check it out.
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phoenixgirl Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:04am |
re: #438 Guanxi88
My buddy Shohei explained that the Japanese aren’t racist; rather, he said, they make distinctions among inferior peoples. I thought that was awfully big of him.
wow…..
| 442 |
turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:40am |
re: #420 karmic_inquisitor
Very true KI.
“People who would normally vote Republican but were going to pull for Obama so we could put the past behind us, improve our image and reunite the country.”
You forgot pay our mortgage and fill up our tanks. Ha.
| 443 |
johnnyreb Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:44am |
re: #413 lobo91
They’re also planning to take out the alternative minimum tax (AMT) relief that’s in the bill now.
So much for “middle class tax relief”…
I have also heard this from other sources. If that does happen, I will have to quit working or almost all of my meager paycheck will go toward the AMT. The wife works and we both are retired military and we are by no means rich either, but, AMT relief is the only thing that saves us from about another 12-15K in Federal taxes. And I refuse to pay them that on top of what we already pay.
| 444 |
Born_to_lose Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:50am |
re: #425 lawhawk
And, apparently become slaves to a system that doesn’t work, and take it with a smile spread across our faces!
| 445 |
subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:50am |
re: #432 Leonidas Hoplite
There was a tv movie made into this starring Harry Pott…I mean Daniel Radcliff. Did anyone see it?
Yes. My Boy Jack
I thought it was very well done.
| 446 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:56am |
re: #425 lawhawk
Oh, it’s much worse than that…
The Conference Committee has managed to reconcile the two versions, and the plan is now supposedly below $800 billion.
They didn’t cut the spending, but instead limited quite a few of tax cuts offered, including one put forth by Obama. Nice.
As far as bipartisanship is concerned, only three GOPers are involved in the process in any way, shape, or form - Sen. Arlen Specter, Olympia Snows, and Susan Collins. This is a Democratic show, and it’s a farce. They’ve spent a few hours coming up with this mess, and it’s going to cost Americans dearly.
My point on partisanship, bi or otherwise, is that special interest wins period. Special interest plays both parties. So, in this round, Republicans can sit back, look good and say they were against this bill, while THEIR OWN special interests STILL get what they want.
And everyone up in DC is happy. That’s a fact, jack.
| 447 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:18:59am |
re: #438 Guanxi88
My buddy Shohei explained that the Japanese aren’t racist; rather, he said, they make distinctions among inferior peoples. I thought that was awfully big of him.
Did he tell you that Europeans are disgusting hairy barbarians who stink of butter?
| 448 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:19:04am |
re: #440 phoenixgirl
wow…..
Yeah, in my experience, you gotta really know a Japanese, and maybe get him a little liquored up, and then he can tell you what he really thinks.
| 450 |
Silhouette Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:19:37am |
There is nothing inherently wrong with taking pictures of military coffins. What is wrong is the known purpose of the photographers, which we know based on a five-year unbroken chain of behavior by them and their co-workers: They want to use photographs for an agenda, just like the daily/weekly death count stories.
They write endless stories about the deaths, and almost nothing about the reasons, ignoring the victories.
When you report death and nothing else, the story you are telling is that they died for nothing.
| 451 |
Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:07am |
re: #425 lawhawk
Let the Dems own this POS. 2010 can not come fast enough.
| 452 |
Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:13am |
re: #435 Occasional Reader
“Have you news of my boy Jack?”
Not this tide.
“When d’you think that he’ll come back?”
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.“Has any one else had word of him?”
Not this tide
For what is sunk will hardly swim,
Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.“Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?”
None this tide,
Nor any tide,
Except he did not shame his kind—
Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide.Then hold your head up all the more,
This tide,
And every tide;
Because he was the son you bore,
And gave to that wind blowing and that tide!
Thanks OR.
[reaching for tissues]
| 453 |
Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:16am |
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
| 454 |
LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:17am |
re: #401 Silhouette
Oh yes. To a typical lefty, being more like Europe is just so obvious a given that they cannot comprehend anyone disagreeing with it.
Except for nuclear power. They like to ignore that.
Just shows that to the left, there is no need to be consistent, intellectually or philosophically. The bottom line is that the rules are “whatever the fuck they want them to be….on any given day”
We’re in the hands of spoiled children…….
*Spit*
| 455 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:32am |
re: #429 subsailor68
Our pilot has had at most a few hours of flight instruction in a Cessna, and no command pilot experience, and he’s trying to fly a damaged jumbo jet.
The rest of his crew have experience in crashing airplanes.
Get in crash position.
| 456 |
Born_to_lose Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:20:51am |
re: #433 Eowyn2
This is exactally what I said to my friend over the phone after reading this:
I screamed, “Weren’t we trying to get AWAY from Europe? Isn’t that the fundemental reason why were are HERE!?!?!”
| 458 |
Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:13am |
re: #445 subsailor68
Yes. My Boy Jack
I thought it was very well done.
Thanks - I wonder where I can find it?
| 459 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:14am |
re: #447 Alouette
Did he tell you that Europeans are disgusting hairy barbarians who stink of butter?
He left out the butter bit, but was kind enough to exclude me from the category of Westerner. Funny how he can make that distinction, but racists of all stripes always manage to do it.
| 460 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:22am |
| 461 |
subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:40am |
re: #453 Dustyvet
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
He was here a bit earlier, but I think he said he had errands to run.
| 463 |
CyanSnowHawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:44am |
I just got here and haven’t the time to read the whole thread, but here are my thoughts on this.
Allowing the MSM to photograph the coffins is a very bad idea. It is well known that they will use these photos almost exclusively to undermine our efforts and sap the resolve of the American people, as will our enemies. War is an unpleasant yet sometimes necessary business. The end result of this will only be more coffins.
It has been suggested that it be up to the families to allow this. The families are free to invite the press to the funeral if they wish. I don’t see that happening much now, nor do I suspect that it will increase much later. The families know what the MSM will do to the memory of their loved ones with these images.
| 464 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:21:52am |
re: #453 Dustyvet
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
He was posting earlier this morning.
| 466 |
Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:22:02am |
re: #429 subsailor68
I agree. Just a little observation, and I’ll try not to make it too long.
I decided to tune in David Letterman last night (don’t really care much for his show), because his guests were “Sully” Sullenberger and his crew. Here’s a bit of what I learned.
Capt. Sullenberger’s plane was hit by a flock of birds, flaming out both engines. He realized he couldn’t make it back to LaGuardia, or even to Teterboro airport. He recognized that, by trying, he would endanger not only the passengers on the flight, but potentially cause devastation on the ground if he crashed in a populated area. So, he decided to do something else: let the plane do what came naturally (glide while losing altitude) and put down in the Hudson River. As he said last night, landing on the river would be a harder impact than landing on a runway, but it was the best decision. As we all know, he landed safely, with no major injuries, and all passengers rescued.
As I listened, I started thinking that this might be an analogy (albeit not a perfect one) to use when looking at the economy and the stimulus package.
The economy is like that plane. The engines have flamed out, and we’re gliding into freefall. The stimulus package, as written, is like trying to make LaGuardia or Teterboro. It can’t be done, and trying to do so could be catastrophic to all Americans – just like those folks on the ground.
Landing in the Hudson was harder than a landing on a runway, and a few folks were injured slightly. But all made it in the end, and the potential casualties on the ground were saved as well. Perhaps it would be better to take the harder landing option in the economy too.
Capt. Sullenberger had the experience, wisdom, and courage to make a tough decision – the correct one. He also had an experienced, skilled, and courageous crew that knew what they had to do also.
President Obama and his team don’t appear to have any of these, and I fear that in going forward, they’ll force a decision to try for either LaGuardia or Teterboro, and ignore the proper decision. In short, doing nothing may well be analogous to landing in the Hudson; a hard landing for sure, but ultimately a safer and more effective one.
Mr. Obama, I’m certain Capt. Sullenberger would take your call.
Fantastic well said.
| 467 |
Silhouette Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:22:02am |
re: #438 Guanxi88
My buddy Shohei explained that the Japanese aren’t racist; rather, he said, they make distinctions among inferior peoples. I thought that was awfully big of him.
Mighty white of him.
| 468 |
Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:22:20am |
re: #461 subsailor68
He was here a bit earlier, but I think he said he had errands to run.
Aww okay thanks…
| 469 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:22:26am |
This reeks of nothing less than crass political opportunism and vile propaganda. Why now speaks plainly O is the architect of this.
| 470 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:22:38am |
re: #448 Guanxi88
Yeah, in my experience, you gotta really know a Japanese, and maybe get him a little liquored up, and then he can tell you what he really thinks.
| 471 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:23:21am |
re: #459 Guanxi88
He left out the butter bit, but was kind enough to exclude me from the category of Westerner. Funny how he can make that distinction, but racists of all stripes always manage to do it.
My husband visited Japan about 40 years ago (as a tourist, not military), and learned “buttah kusay.” He just thought it was odd that of all the various aromas, Europeans should be associated with “butter stink”
| 472 |
3 wood Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:23:25am |
Tim “Thud” Geithner is pissing on the market again today:
Geithner ‘can live’ with market fall
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Wednesday shrugged off the strong negative reaction to his bank rescue plan, saying that if he gave Wall Street what it really wanted, then taxpayers would be left holding the bag.
Wall Street shares plunged Tuesday after Geithner unveiled the outline of the Obama administration’s plan to rescue bankrupt banks. Analysts said investors were looking for details of how the toxic assets on bank balance sheets would be sold.
“I understand the desire for details, and I understand the disappointment about the lack of details today,” Geither said in testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.
“But part of the disappointment is because people were hoping that we do things that, in my judgment, would have been too generous and not responsible for the taxpayers’ money,” Geithner said.
“I do not want to compound the mistakes of the last 12 months, when things were rushed out before they were ready, and strategy had to be adapted because of that. If that means that there is going to be disappointment with the level of details until we get it right, I will live with that disappointment because it is better than the alternative,” he said.
Some of details Geithner to which referred include those surrounding the creation of a “bad bank” that would warehouse the toxic assets on the books of banks and other financial institutions.
Hey Geithner, you are a part of this situation all along, moron. There is no “rushing out” about it. You were advertised as being ready to hit the ground running on day 1. So show it.
Also, just who do you think owns most of the stock on Wall Street, you twit? The taxpayers do, that’s who. So, when you screw around and puke on your shoes like you did yesterday, you are directly hurting the taxpayers who have their life savings and retirement 401k’s wrapped up in that market you trashed yesterday.
Folks. This guy Geithner has no idea what to do. It’s like the scene in Color of Money when Paul Newman tells Tom Cruise, “You have no idea what to do, do you? You couldn’t find Big Time with a road map.”
Well “thud” Geithner, you are in the biggest of Big Time now, the Major Leages, the Show, and you need bring your “A” game, now.
If that was Geithner’s “A” game yesterday, we are so screwed.
| 473 |
wiffersnapper Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:23:34am |
What is it with liberals and dead things?
| 474 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:05am |
re: #467 Silhouette
Mighty white of him.
That gets a ding.
If you really want to venture into realms of racial animosity the intensity and complexity of which baffle us poor Westerners, try sometime to get a Japanese to explain to you why Chinese are bad, koreans not quite so bad, south east asians appallingly bad, and africans ….
Then, ask a Chinese, but reverse the nations.
| 475 |
subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:06am |
re: #455 Kosh’s Shadow
Our pilot has had at most a few hours of flight instruction in a Cessna, and no command pilot experience, and he’s trying to fly a damaged jumbo jet.
The rest of his crew have experience in crashing airplanes.Get in crash position.
Like that analogy too!
:-)
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:29am |
re: #288 taxfreekiller
A small, high effect military would be much easier for an “Obama like” leader to take into his control, not all bad leaders are left wing, you could get a Gen. for Pres. at some point and he takes the “paid Army over” and no more votes.
like that
I don’t know any military personnel who would knowingly support such a coup. Right now, the vast majority of those who join up are well grounded in the true American traditions of freedom and responsibility.
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Tricky Dick Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:29am |
Him, B. Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would love this because it would help insure that the left was never embarassed again by having the military win like they did in Iraq.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:39am |
OT -
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations
“Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report.
They intend to attempt to shove this $1.3 trillion spending bill through in the dead of the night without Republican input so floor action can take place in both chambers on Thursday.
I spoke with House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) moments ago about this latest version of Democratic “bipartisanship.” Pence told me, “I think the American people deserve to know that legislation that would comprise an amount equal to the entire discretionary budget of the United States of America is being crafted without a single House Republican in the room.””
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:42am |
re: #474 Guanxi88
That gets a ding.
If you really want to venture into realms of racial animosity the intensity and complexity of which baffle us poor Westerners, try sometime to get a Japanese to explain to you why Chinese are bad, koreans not quite so bad, south east asians appallingly bad, and africans ….
Then, ask a Chinese, but reverse the nations.
No, no, no, only white people can be racist.
///
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Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:24:53am |
re: #453 Dustyvet
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
Shit Dv now that you mention it no. You have his email addy. Have you tried that?
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3 wood Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:04am |
re: #453 Dustyvet
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
I’ve not heard from him in a day or so.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:11am |
re: #472 3 wood
If that was Geithner’s “A” game yesterday, we are so screwed.
But… but… but… he was the only possible candidate for Treasury, which is why it was completely forgivable that he’s a tax dodger!
/
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x-wing Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:24am |
re: #453 Dustyvet
Has anyone seen Realwest? I’m a bit concerned about him.
He was just here this morning.
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:48am |
re: #390 Catttt
God, I love it when people quote Groucho.
His You Bet Your Life shows are on Netflix and still funny.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:50am |
re: #481 Erik The Red
Shit Dv now that you mention it no. You have his email addy. Have you tried that?
Yep, he was here earlier, and I got an email from him this morning. He’s out and about I think.
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:25:56am |
Tell Chuck Schumer you care; Update: Send him a bag of pork rinds
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turn Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:20am |
re: #463 CyanSnowHawk
I think you might be inclined to change you opinion after reading the thread, I’m now leaning to let them be shown. I think the outcome might be a net gain for patriotism.
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:27am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:37am |
re: #487 Dustyvet
Tell Chuck Schumer you care; Update: Send him a bag of pork rinds
Let’s not waste one of the best snack foods out there.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:38am |
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:46am |
re: #429 subsailor68
I agree. Just a little observation, and I’ll try not to make it too long.
I decided to tune in David Letterman last night (don’t really care much for his show), because his guests were “Sully” Sullenberger and his crew. Here’s a bit of what I learned.
Capt. Sullenberger’s plane was hit by a flock of birds, flaming out both engines. He realized he couldn’t make it back to LaGuardia, or even to Teterboro airport. He recognized that, by trying, he would endanger not only the passengers on the flight, but potentially cause devastation on the ground if he crashed in a populated area. So, he decided to do something else: let the plane do what came naturally (glide while losing altitude) and put down in the Hudson River. As he said last night, landing on the river would be a harder impact than landing on a runway, but it was the best decision. As we all know, he landed safely, with no major injuries, and all passengers rescued.
As I listened, I started thinking that this might be an analogy (albeit not a perfect one) to use when looking at the economy and the stimulus package.
The economy is like that plane. The engines have flamed out, and we’re gliding into freefall. The stimulus package, as written, is like trying to make LaGuardia or Teterboro. It can’t be done, and trying to do so could be catastrophic to all Americans – just like those folks on the ground.
Landing in the Hudson was harder than a landing on a runway, and a few folks were injured slightly. But all made it in the end, and the potential casualties on the ground were saved as well. Perhaps it would be better to take the harder landing option in the economy too.
Capt. Sullenberger had the experience, wisdom, and courage to make a tough decision – the correct one. He also had an experienced, skilled, and courageous crew that knew what they had to do also.
President Obama and his team don’t appear to have any of these, and I fear that in going forward, they’ll force a decision to try for either LaGuardia or Teterboro, and ignore the proper decision. In short, doing nothing may well be analogous to landing in the Hudson; a hard landing for sure, but ultimately a safer and more effective one.
Mr. Obama, I’m certain Capt. Sullenberger would take your call.
Excellent analogy and observation.
I am also struck by the calmness that the pilot exhibited. Essential in a crisis situation and one that the miltary teaches. When the danger is greatest, that is when calmness is most required, otherwise you scare the shit out of the troops.
Contrast Sullenberger’s demeanor to Obama and the Dems, who’s motto seems to be “When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout”.
Incompetent assholes.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:26:54am |
re: #472 3 wood
He was the prime motivator for the original TARP plan along with Bernanke, so if he’s saying that mistakes were made, it’s he who was responsible.
If he’s shrugging off market moves as a result of his frakfest yesterday, maybe he should shrug off the rest of the market moves and let the market figure out what to do instead of injection trillions in to the market hoping that it does something positive.
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Nevergiveup Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:27:01am |
I know I’m late to this thread but this shit with the liberals and Obama is getting worse each day. But this one might actually backfire on them.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:27:03am |
re: #472 3 wood
It sounds like the Obama administration will manage to crash the whole economy without the help of Wall Street, the banks, business or us.
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opnion Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:27:38am |
re: #479 Walter L. Newton
OT -
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations
“Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report.
They intend to attempt to shove this $1.3 trillion spending bill through in the dead of the night without Republican input so floor action can take place in both chambers on Thursday.
I spoke with House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) moments ago about this latest version of Democratic “bipartisanship.” Pence told me, “I think the American people deserve to know that legislation that would comprise an amount equal to the entire discretionary budget of the United States of America is being crafted without a single House Republican in the room.””
[Link: www.humanevents.com…]
Hmmm, Fillibuster?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:28:06am |
You think what A-Roid did was bad ?
$15M Lawsuit claims ex-Met Roberto Alomar had sex knowing he had AIDS
Baseball great Roberto Alomar has full-blown AIDS but insisted on having unprotected sex, his ex-girlfriend charged Tuesday in a bombshell lawsuit.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:28:09am |
re: #496 Walter L. Newton
It sounds like the Obama administration will manage to crash the whole economy without the help of Wall Street, the banks, business or us.
And you gotta admit, it is impressive in its way.
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lawhawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:01am |
re: #497 opnion
They don’t have the votes to filibuster, even in the Senate, and you’ve got Specter, Snowe, and Collins running with the Democrats. That’s the extent of bipartisanship in the entire bailout. 3 GOPers.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:04am |
re: #472 3 wood
3Wood… We already are… Let businesses fail.. We are Americans, we can rebuild businesses…
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:27am |
re: #479 Walter L. Newton
OT -
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations
“Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report.
They intend to attempt to shove this $1.3 trillion spending bill through in the dead of the night without Republican input so floor action can take place in both chambers on Thursday.
I spoke with House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-Ind.) moments ago about this latest version of Democratic “bipartisanship.” Pence told me, “I think the American people deserve to know that legislation that would comprise an amount equal to the entire discretionary budget of the United States of America is being crafted without a single House Republican in the room.””
[Link: www.humanevents.com…]
I thought that the three Republican Senators were in the conference. Thats what I heard on the radio.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:32am |
re: #492 LGoPs
Excellent analogy and observation.
I am also struck by the calmness that the pilot exhibited. Essential in a crisis situation and one that the miltary teaches. When the danger is greatest, that is when calmness is most required, otherwise you scare the shit out of the troops.
Contrast Sullenberger’s demeanor to Obama and the Dems, who’s motto seems to be “When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout”.
Incompetent assholes.
Amen! Sully’s something the others will never be. A class act. IIRC, when Katie Couric asked him if he doubted he could make it, he simply said “No.” What a great guy.
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Lincolntf Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:42am |
re: #500 SasquatchOnSteroids
What a scumbag.
He also once spit on an umpire. Bad enough to be such a jerk, but the AIDS revelation brings it to a whole new level.
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Born_to_lose Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:29:59am |
re: #479 Walter L. Newton
I said this in another thread the other day, but post press conference on CNN, Ed Rollins made a really valid point. Not only is this bill VERY left leaning, but Obama does NOT have a record of being bipartisan in any sense of the word (in his entire, paltry amount of time as Senator) so, basically, who the F*** does he think he is asking for bipartisanship from repubs on something that is so contrastingly NON-republican as this stimulus bill (ok, well, besides being president, who the F*** does this dude think he is!).
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:19am |
re: #483 Occasional Reader
But… but… but… he was the only possible candidate for Treasury, which is why it was completely forgivable that he’s a tax dodger!
/
For the left, it’s all about intentions, not accomplishments. He surely meant well… so it’s all good. ///
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ornery elephant Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:20am |
The Leftist MSM has been calling for this ever since the Iraq War started…ironic isn’t it that these media are in such a rush to post coffin pictures of our Troops while they seemingly ignore every photo op to show the death and carnage around the world that happens every single day as a result of the terror wrought by radical islamic jihadists.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:21am |
The 0bama administration has made its first remarks on the Israeli elections.
They want to throw Israel to the Paliterrorists:
“The hope is that there is a government that is really committed to peace with the Palestinians,” the senior administration official was quoted by The Washington Post as saying.The official expressed hope that despite Netanyahu’s track record with the Clinton administration, he would still play ball with Washington’s pledge to take an active role in pursuing Middle East peace. “He’s grown over the years,” the official said. “Getting back to the talks with the Palestinians is really the only solution.”
Did he mean “only” or “final”?
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:23am |
re: #487 Dustyvet
Tell Chuck Schumer you care; Update: Send him a bag of pork rinds
I faxed him over and over today this message…
Fuck You Sen. Schumer.
Cordially, The Chattering Class
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:36am |
re: #501 Guanxi88
And you gotta admit, it is impressive in its way.
Kinda like if a pack of howler monkeys got their hands on an A-bomb. Sure, the city would be destroyed, but you’d have to be impressed that they could figure out how to work the thing.
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:58am |
re: #426 Eowyn2
re: #426 Eowyn2
the big difference is that the ramp ceremonies are the men and women who have served with the fallen. It is much more personal than some photographer taking cold pictures of two flag draped caskets.
Yes, and that is the important point I’m trying to make. If the media is allowed to take photographs they will see dignified and honorable services, not shameful anti-American propaganda. Bush made a mistake by ceding this territory to the anti-American media.
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Randall Gross Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:30:59am |
The motives of the left are clear in this, they want the mass spectacle of death, and they care not a whit for the individual soldier. Every one of our brave dead has had a funeral, every one has had memorials and testimonials, and good articles written by their home town papers - I’ve read many if not most of them. Every day I search on “Killed” in google, to see not only what the latest terror attack is, but also to remember our cost, and the individuals who have paid the price of liberty with their blood. The left does not report on this because they could care less about the individual warrior, instead they rail about anonymous coffin landing spectacles.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:17am |
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:25am |
re: #471 Alouette
My husband visited Japan about 40 years ago (as a tourist, not military), and learned “buttah kusay.” He just thought it was odd that of all the various aromas, Europeans should be associated with “butter stink”
Which makes this strange: In the moive “Go For Broke” about the American 442nd, a unit of Americans of Japanese ancestry, the troops called themselves Butterheads (or weren’t offended if others called them that). I presume, given when the movie was made and that the actors were largely veterans of the 442nd, that the term was really used.
The review I read said that ironically, the movie was very popular in Japan.
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:34am |
re: #511 tfc3rid
I faxed him over and over today this message…
Fuck You Sen. Schumer.
Cordially, The Chattering Class
Outstanding, well done!
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:43am |
re: #512 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Kinda like if a pack of howler monkeys got their hands on an A-bomb. Sure, the city would be destroyed, but you’d have to be impressed that they could figure out how to work the thing.
That, my friend, is the exact image my poor reeling mind was unable to conjure up. Perfect!
Oh, and, RACIST! (“monkey”, you should be ashamed)/
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:49am |
re: #482 3 wood
He was around this morning. He mentioned a while ago that his meds make him pretty sleepy and he takes a nap after lunch.
| 521 |
Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:31:50am |
Woot!
I have balanced my capital loss schedule!
Yay, me!
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:32:45am |
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LGoPs Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:15am |
re: #522 CyanSnowHawk
Whoa. I believed you to be strong. Now I know.
{Mandy}
Just curious. What do the brackets around Mandy’s name mean? I’ve seen this before but am not sure. I kind of think it may be a symbolic hug….is that correct?
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debutaunt Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:22am |
re: #429 subsailor68
I taped that show and watched only the monolog so far. He was unable to make any jokes about Obama, but stuck to dog show in NY jokes. Can he continue it for all four years?
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:24am |
re: #335 unreconstructed rebel
Allowed himself to be played for a fool.
I commend him for recognizing it and admitting it. A pity he (and thousands more like him) didn’t figure it out a few weeks sooner.
Maybe next time he’ll look at the candidates’ records, instead of letting himself be mesmerized by their pretty speeches.
| 527 |
eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:32am |
re: #510 Kosh’s Shadow
That arrogance isn’t going to sell well to a center-right government.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:52am |
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Kenneth Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:34:55am |
re: #472 3 wood
“I do not want to compound the mistakes of the last 12 months, when things were rushed out before they were ready,
But didn’t Obama insist the Porkzilla bill had to be passed right away without delay or else a catastrophe would destroy the economy forever?
| 530 |
redstateredneck Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:35:10am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:35:20am |
re: #516 Silhouette
Which makes this strange: In the moive “Go For Broke” about the American 442nd, a unit of Americans of Japanese ancestry, the troops called themselves Butterheads (or weren’t offended if others called them that). I presume, given when the movie was made and that the actors were largely veterans of the 442nd, that the term was really used.
The review I read said that ironically, the movie was very popular in Japan.
Oh shit, I’m a butterhead!
/not able to link to YouTube at work, otherwise, I’d post that classic piece of Bollywood.
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subsailor68 Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:35:27am |
re: #525 debutaunt
I taped that show and watched only the monolog so far. He was unable to make any jokes about Obama, but stuck to dog show in NY jokes. Can he continue it for all four years?
Sigh. Don’t know for sure, but I’ll bet he gives it a real hard try.
| 534 |
Erik The Red Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:35:54am |
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Irish Rose Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:36:00am |
This makes me furious!
These are men and women who gave their lives in service to this country. They knew the risks, and they still volunteered for the job because they believed in what they were doing. These are men and women who have given their lives for the cause of freedom.
Allowing vile, leftist PIGS to exploit our honored dead would be beyond disrespectful. And it would be an incredibly cruel thing to do to their families.
Mr. Gates, I’m a Marine mom and I am begging you…. please don’t do this!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:36:47am |
re: #525 debutaunt
I taped that show and watched only the monolog so far. He was unable to make any jokes about Obama, but stuck to dog show in NY jokes. Can he continue it for all four years?
There’s a running bet on Big Hollywood as to when the late night “comedians” will tell their first Obama joke.
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Dianna Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:36:51am |
re: #524 LGoPs
Just curious. What do the brackets around Mandy’s name mean? I’ve seen this before but am not sure. I kind of think it may be a symbolic hug….is that correct?
Means “hug”, as you guessed.
| 538 |
JohnAdams Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:37:07am |
Another example of the left being so hyper-circumspect that they miss the point—this will undermine our resolve and more importantly will EMBOLDEN our enemies who will line their caves with photos of flag-draped coffins.
Fucking idiots.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:37:48am |
re: #524 LGoPs
Just curious. What do the brackets around Mandy’s name mean? I’ve seen this before but am not sure. I kind of think it may be a symbolic hug….is that correct?
Only place you can hug a complete stranger without getting your ass kicked, maced, or worse.
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3 wood Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:37:54am |
re: #483 Occasional Reader
But… but… but… he was the only possible candidate for Treasury, which is why it was completely forgivable that he’s a tax dodger!
I can think of several Lizards (and I exclude myself for that list due to bias) who would make much better Treasury Chief’s than him.
I have undergraduate students with a better grasp of the situation than him.
By the way, the Soviet Politburo is grilling the banking CEO’s right now.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:38:09am |
re: #527 eschew_obfuscation
That arrogance isn’t going to sell well to a center-right government.
Good. I don’t want the Israeli government run by the American government. They are an independent country and should take care of themselves. Ultimately, they get more respect that way.
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tfc3rid Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:39:28am |
re: #541 3 wood
Is the Politburo going to force Citi to change the name of my new ballpark?
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Nightwatch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:40:08am |
HELL…I’m all for it!
AS long as we get to see all of the CODE PINK open caskets with the failed attempts at surgical re-construction to make them look like they were “20 SOME-THING again!….
Frankly…the tech for THAT massive leap is not in our life-span…..
so they will will still look like BOG-COWS from the 12th Century…with the stench to validate their time slut…I MEAN SLOT!
| 545 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:41:13am |
Back to the heady days of Vietnam!
“YES WE CAN … END THIS WAR TOO!”
Gates, … if (IF!) you go along with this …
… fuck you and the horse whores you rode in on!
/the next sound will be me pissing on Uncle Walter’s grave
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eschew_obfuscation Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:41:36am |
re: #542 Kosh’s Shadow
Good. I don’t want the Israeli government run by the American government. They are an independent country and should take care of themselves. Ultimately, they get more respect that way.
Agreed. I’m not Jewish or an Israeli and I think Israel has let us force them into bad deals over the years. I would like to see us support Israel without a bunch of strings attached.
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maximus kreyzlkil Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:47:11am |
The day isn’t far off when the sight of corpses will be much more familiar and common than they are today. I think we will see a return of the closed coffin, or at the very least, non-translucent body bags.
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3 wood Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:47:31am |
re: #529 Kenneth
But didn’t Obama insist the Porkzilla bill had to be passed right away without delay or else a catastrophe would destroy the economy forever?
That would be him. He said we were on the verge of catastrophe.
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3 wood Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:48:47am |
re: #543 tfc3rid
Is the Politburo going to force Citi to change the name of my new ballpark?
Right now they are worried about how many planes the banks own or lease.
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lurking faith Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:52:31am |
re: #413 lobo91
They’re also planning to take out the alternative minimum tax (AMT) relief that’s in the bill now.
So much for “middle class tax relief”…
That’s truly evil. Even the mere burden of calculating whether or not you owe the damned AMT (much less how much you owe, if you do) is an awful thing.
I think Congresscritters ought to be given (anonymously) four citizens’ tax info each, forced to figure their taxes unaided by professionals or software, with the threat of fines and prison if they get it wrong.
However, that’s just my dream world. For the real world, I think I’ll content myself with writing my congresspeople to express my outrage. (Democrats all, but on this topic, at least, they might listen.)
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:53:13am |
re: #548 maximus kreyzlkil
What on earth are you talking about?
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maximus kreyzlkil Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:55:05am |
I’ve become a pessimist. I think we are entering a darker time. I am either a doomer or a realist. Time will tell!
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Nightwatch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:56:39am |
re: #552 realwest
What the… I thought you were a pre-sunrise poster?
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CharlieBravo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:57:58am |
Gates knows which side of the bread has butter. Just to consider this — at a loss for words…
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:58:10am |
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CyanSnowHawk Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:59:10am |
re: #524 LGoPs
Just curious. What do the brackets around Mandy’s name mean? I’ve seen this before but am not sure. I kind of think it may be a symbolic hug….is that correct?
You are correct.
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:00:43am |
re: #555 Nightwatch
Well I do try to post on the DT everyday, but today had to cut it short to get errands and chores at least started! LOL!
And I’m also usually on after 11PM Eastern. In between lunch, my medicinally induced nap, dinner and time with my mom make up most of my day - I lead SUCH an exciting life!
:)
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maximus kreyzlkil Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:01:17am |
I’m just saying open coffins from fallen vets won’t avail much in changing the populations view of war, when they get used to seeing dead people on a regular basis. They’ll be desensetized?
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Kaymad Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:01:43am |
*sigh* I picked a bad time to give up drinking and smoking. I’m afraid General Petraeus is going to throw in the towel soon.
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Silhouette Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:05am |
Corollary to {hugs} are [manly handshakes].
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:09am |
re: #557 Dustyvet
Hey Dusty! Saw where you were asking after me upthread, just wanted to say thanks to you and to 3 wood and anyone else I’ve missed who were concerned about me!
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Nightwatch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:20am |
re: #557 Dustyvet
I asked if dragging my son’s body on his shield through the MELROSE would
offend….and then drop post……into the dark pit of ?No post?
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:26am |
re: #560 realwest
Well I do try to post on the DT everyday, but today had to cut it short to get errands and chores at least started! LOL!
And I’m also usually on after 11PM Eastern. In between lunch, my medicinally induced nap, dinner and time with my mom make up most of my day - I lead SUCH an exciting life!
:)
Hi Real, glad to see you…:)
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maximus kreyzlkil Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:02:29am |
Sorry, no bong hits before sundown. (east coast)
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:04:09am |
re: #564 realwest
Hey Dusty! Saw where you were asking after me upthread, just wanted to say thanks to you and to 3 wood and anyone else I’ve missed who were concerned about me!
Welcome…:)
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CharlieBravo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:05:08am |
re: #561 maximus kreyzlkil
I’m just saying open coffins from fallen vets won’t avail much in changing the populations view of war, when they get used to seeing dead people on a regular basis. They’ll be desensetized?
Worked that way with aborted kids… doesn’t disturb anyone anymore… commonplace. Ho-hum…
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:05:34am |
re: #565 Nightwatch
I asked if dragging my son’s body on his shield through the MELROSE would
offend….and then drop post……into the dark pit of ?No post?
I’ve had that happen…:(
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:06:04am |
re: #550 3 wood
Hey my friend, as usual the Feds have their eye on the ball! Unfortunately it’s the WRONG BALL.
Damn them all.
BTW, does Nancy Pelosi (D-Stupid) still have her private military plane for her use on “urgent” business?
This Pork bill is just disgusting - really does very little to stimulate the economy or to “unfreeze” credit and they know it, too and the damned DEMOCRATS don’t care.
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maximus kreyzlkil Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:06:52am |
I pray we don’t have violent conflict on our soil, but I’m not optimistic.
But if/when that happens, the war abroad will get even LESS coverage than Iraq after the surge!
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:08:08am |
And since I now need to go eat some lunch I’m just gonna add my two cents to the topic of this thread: it’s absolutely disgusting that the bodies of our warriors are being used now by people who had no use for them when they were alive.
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HippieforLife Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:08:22am |
re: #86 buzzsawmonkey
Michael Moore has it now, dude.
Yes and he is making an new movie about Wall Street that will set us all straight.! NOT!
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Dustyvet Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:08:28am |
re: #574 taxfreekiller
Americans are desensitized now, 80% so desensitized they do not vote.
I’m not desensitized…just pissed!
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CharlieBravo Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:09:55am |
re: #573 realwest
“This Pork bill is just disgusting - really does very little to stimulate the economy or to “unfreeze” credit and they know it, too and the damned DEMOCRATS don’t care”.
93 of every 100 people wanting to work are working. They aren’t spending because ‘the government’ has told them they should be AFRAID.
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:13:07am |
re: #579 Dustyvet
Pissed is a proper state to be in regarding either the topic of this thread or anything having to do with the “Stimulus Bill” or, for that matter, anything having to do with Obama himself.
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:14:48am |
Well y’all I’m outta here for lunch (and, sigh, more chores) so I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:18:01am |
Increasing the Army back to the 750k range is very doable with an all volunteer force. We had more than that in the 1980’s. The only challenge is doing it effectively, which takes time. An additional 200k would take about four to five years to enact. President Bush should have done this back in 2002, but Rumsfeld was against adding troops. It was one of their biggest mistakes.
Of course, it would take the same amount of time if trying to increase a drafted army. You do not get an effective fighting force with just boot camp and AIT. And there is a max capacity for those training resources, so you can only add a set amount each year. Plus, it takes a year or more of advanced unit level training to make an effective fighting force, and then once trained, you want to keep it together for a while. You can not get that when you only have people on 18 month assignments after 6 months of preliminary training.
If you want to draft people for 5 year stints, and fully enforce USMJ, including prison for those who do not comply or follow procedures, then you could have a military as effective as the current all volunteer force. But you are adding costs, and you can only bring a minor percentage of Americans through it. That means most draft age people would not be going in the military, which defeats one of the arguments for it.
I suppose you cold make everyone go through basic military training, and only keep those who are the best, but that would be significantly more expensive for no net benefit. Anyone who has served in the modern Army, especially in combat, could probably not imagine having an under motivated draftee with no experience, and focused primarily on surviving to his exit date this year, in the vehicle with him as they attempt to rescue their fellow soldiers pinned down ahead of them.
Will the draftee step up and do the mission to the best of his ability this day? Just don’t know, maybe. But you would be sure of the other guy to your right who has five years experience and who has trained and fought with you for the last two years. If you haven’t been there, trust that you don’t want to have any doubts regarding the people around you.
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Nightwatch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:20:10am |
re: #577 realwest
I will not be afraid…
I will only give my life for Liberty.
I will only give my life for the FREEDOM that my FORE-FATHERS gave their lives for. I WILL NOT SERVE A GOVERNMENT that TELLS ME how to serve or WHAT to serve if it is not for FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!
I STAND in my front yard and I remember 1776
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Ward Cleaver Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:26:06am |
I’ll bet the Aggies down in College Station don’t miss Gates at all.
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realwest Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:26:32am |
re: #586 horse
Sorry, just had to come back here after seeing that post.
I don’t know about the “modern army” but infantry warfare is infantry warfare. I was an enlisted combat infantryman in Vietnam and I served alongside draftees - in the infantry - and for the most part they conducted themselves with great courage and valor.
And I resent the implication that draftees couldn’t do the same today - though they might need more training in the more modern techniques of infantry warfare, but the bottem line is: it’s always up to some poor bastard with a rifle killing the other sides poor bastards with rifles first and faster than he can kill you.
Again, I enlisted in the Army and I am proud to say that Vietnam saw draftees who served with great integrity, honor and courage and I resent any implication that they didn’t.
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Nightwatch Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:26:46am |
Dammnnnn,
throwin……?Flames?……..not so radical now I think…
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HippieforLife Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:35:55am |
During the O’ campaign speech, oh, press conference on Monday he made a statement about the four US soldiers killed in Iraq.
I so wanted one of the supplicants, oh journalists, to ask him how many people had been killed in Chicago.
Soldiers fighting for our safety and freedon = BAD
Gangs roaming the streets and killing other gang members = OK
They are just troubled yutes who will suddenly become useful members of society when they get their new homes, jobs and cars. I just love enlightment. Where can I get mine?
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 11:51:30am |
re: #590 realwest
Sorry, just had to come back here after seeing that post.
I don’t know about the “modern army” but infantry warfare is infantry warfare. I was an enlisted combat infantryman in Vietnam and I served alongside draftees - in the infantry - and for the most part they conducted themselves with great courage and valor.
And I resent the implication that draftees couldn’t do the same today - though they might need more training in the more modern techniques of infantry warfare, but the bottem line is: it’s always up to some poor bastard with a rifle killing the other sides poor bastards with rifles first and faster than he can kill you.
Again, I enlisted in the Army and I am proud to say that Vietnam saw draftees who served with great integrity, honor and courage and I resent any implication that they didn’t.
I am not insulting draftees of the past. I had several great senior NCOs who were Vietnam vets serve in my units. They were professional, effective leaders and taught me a great deal. I trusted them with my life, and the lives of our soldiers. Plus my uncle flew helos in Nam and at age 65 he would probably still kick my ass if he thought I was insulting him or his fellow vets. I have the utmost respect for you and all veterans.
I am merely pointing out the natural difference one gets between a longer term professional force with extended unit assignments (possible with the current volunteer Army) versus a draft force with short individual tours. It is evident in military history and the personal experiences of those of us still alive. Modern warfare is incredibly fluid and a very complex environment. Rapid movement, communications and everyone knowing and executing their roles and then some are essential. This is best done with a unit that has spent a great deal of time and training together.
A draft with two year stints could not fulfill those needs. As I said, a draft with five year stints probably could. But why do that when what we have does the job so well?
And to the other guy, I know the American Army and its troops very well. It was my career.
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 12:06:57pm |
re: #594 taxfreekiller
The other guy, if tfk, is a descendant of the Apache, one in particular,
Mangus Colorado’s, he and all the family of this other know much about
the officer corps of the U.S. Army, that made the Apache raids much more effective often. I, chose to leave several of the officer corps on the pad at Da Nang rather than risk my guys lives out on the trails.like that
LOL, you should read what you write. It doesn’t exactly portray you in a positive manner. Having beers with Ward Churchill tonight?
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 12:08:06pm |
re: #584 Iron Fist
Mussolini was tempered by the humanity of Italy, the land of the human heart.
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Ojoe Wed, Feb 11, 2009 12:09:11pm |
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 12:11:35pm |
re: #595 taxfreekiller
ps
It was rather fluid out on the trails, way so at night.
Yes it was, and likely a very complex environment with no visibility and limited technological tools. No disrespect, but there were a lot of casualties and a mission that was canceled. We want to avoid that if at all possible.
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bill-tb Wed, Feb 11, 2009 1:10:18pm |
I have no problem with this as long as the family agrees … Otherwise it’s an intrusion on their privacy.
I have attended plenty of military funerals.
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 1:19:59pm |
re: #601 taxfreekiller
ps
what was operation ” igloowhite” was it non technological?
I am referring to the numerous combat tools available on the battlefield today allowing real-time location and tracking of friendly and foes so you are not limited to what you can see in the visible spectrum with your eyes. It makes it possible to stay out of kill zones and maneuver your forces into superior positions to assault and destroy the enemy. It is more difficult than it reads, but when utilized correctly by well trained cohesive units it is devastating.
reg. your other post, I am aware of the political causes of our canceled mission in Vietnam, and that we won all major battles. However, we are now stuck in a highly political world where false perception is more important than reality. Casualties are facts our enemies (foreign and domestic) like to use as a weapon to create false perceptions and attack our society’s will power. I believe our greatest enemies are here at home, and we need to keep every weapon we can out of their traitorous hands so the sheep don’t follow them off that cliff they seem to be building for us.
It would seem the only thing we actually disagree about is the merits of reinstating a draft. I just happen to be strongly against it based on own experiences and what I have studied regarding history; not to mention my suspect of just about anything being pitched from the left about the military. The military of today will protect and serve the constitution. A new model military of tomorrow crafted by the left, I have my doubts.
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Stonemason Wed, Feb 11, 2009 1:34:26pm |
This is absolutely disgusting, there is no reason, other than pure propaganda, to exploit the images of death in this manner. These people will stop at nothing to demoralize the American people.
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horse Wed, Feb 11, 2009 2:49:39pm |
re: #606 taxfreekiller
Horse
[Link: home.att.net…]
Charles Wrangle did not pitch it first.
recent pitch
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]
Yes, I know the history, but the left is behind it now for their own nefarious purposes. Regarding the article, we have had an all volunteer professional force larger than what he is calling for; we do not need conscription to do so again.
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Occam's Beard Wed, Feb 11, 2009 3:43:23pm |
A modest proposal: let’s compromise, and say journalists can take as many photographs as they like of the coffins of journalists killed overseas.
Or is that a little too hurtful for them? If so, then they appreciate how Americans feel.
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deportman Wed, Feb 11, 2009 4:49:18pm |
America will need large industrial doses of Immodium to ease the Obama strain of salmonella currently being ingested by the left.
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Perplexed Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:36:19pm |
Having the pictures published allows liberals to ‘experience’ war in all of its glory. They get to avoid the stench of death, the smells of burnt flesh, cordite, vomit, bile, blood, urine and feces when a person is rent asunder by a car bomb and thereby keep clean and avoid the unpleasant memories of dead and dying friends.
Liberals only experience this vicariously through books and movies. They’ve lost the resolve given to true patriots by not knowing what is involved in true sacrifice.
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asshander Wed, Feb 11, 2009 7:42:54pm |
re: #151 turn
Actually that was why I was googling for coffin pics, but I couldn’t find the one I was looking for. I remember a pic where the coffins were being loaded on a commercial aircraft and passengers were looking out the windows. I swear that pic was fauxtography, the people looked like they were pasted in.
I think the picture you were referencing can be found here (it’s flash):
These reporters did a god job IMHO and it was respectful reporting. I remember reading the story when it came out. The whole story is worth the read. Search for Rockymountainnews(dot)com and Marines and you will find it.
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DebbieSym Wed, Feb 11, 2009 10:11:13pm |
Why stop there? Why not show the bodies, too? Perhaps we should open those caskets, and reveal what’s inside.
This is the mindset of the left, and it’s disgusting.
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