Atlas Shrugs Still Raving About Nirth Certifikit, Cites 9/11 Troofer As Source

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Just when you think shrieking lunatic Pamela Geller can’t possibly get any more raving cuckoo insane, she posts another one of her fetid rants claiming that the birth announcements for Barack Obama published by Honolulu newspapers in 1961 were “forged.”

By the “C-I-A.” Yes, really.

With extra added crazy person capitalization: Atlas Shrugs: BARACK HUSSEIN BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT FORGERY …… THE FRAUD GOES ON.

When last we posted about Geller, her source was a neo-Nazi.

Her source this time: a drooling racist and 9/11 Troofer.

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493 comments
1 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:43:30am

Never underestimate the dedication of the truly insane.

2 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:43:41am

I notice you used tinyurl for the links to those nutbar sites. Does that prevent tracking back to this site?

3 Gella  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:43:59am

never ending story

4 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:44:14am

The last time Pam went water-skiing, she jumped over Godzilla!

5 That's Mr. President to you  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:44:21am

Pamela makes my job easy - she makes me look moderate and cool headed even as I drive the country into the ditch on the left side of the road.

6 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:44:48am

re: #2 doppelganglander

I notice you used tinyurl for the links to those nutbar sites. Does that prevent tracking back to this site?

It makes sure the links don't increase their Google pagerank.

7 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:44:52am

These people are mentally unstable.

8 Rollie the Guar  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:45:23am

Well, birds of a feather and all that.

9 calvin coolidge  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:45:44am

What I like to rant about is to think that one short year ago my biggest worry was Hillary Clinton becoming President. Boy, those were the good old days.

10 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:46:19am

Unfrakingbelievable. Pamela, you're doing far worse than tilting at windmills, you're destroying what little credibility you have left by engaging in trooferism and relying on the ravings of lunatic minds to further conspiracy theories on Obama's birth certificate.

Just stop already.

11 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:46:45am

The man is so insane, he thinks 0bama's father isn't his father, his mother isn't his mother, his sister isn't his sister, and his birthday isn't his birthday.

It's new levels of insanity.

12 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:46:48am

And they have the gall to accuse you of making up "imaginary fascists".

13 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:02am

re: #7 Sharmuta

These people are mentally unstable.

Is that a nice way of saying they are fucking nuts/lost the plot or just plain loony.

14 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:17am

From Atlas

"ThisShe is getting really weirdier "

Fixed that for ya Pam.

15 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:39am

If you put a sheet of paper under Maya's eyes and FCBBBHO's eyes, you'll see that they are identical.

16 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:44am

Maybe it's because she's making boku bucks on those t-shirts. /

17 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:54am

re: #6 Charles

It makes sure the links don't increase their Google pagerank.

Very clever.

18 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:47:57am

re: #11 Sharmuta

The man is so insane, he thinks 0bama's father isn't his father, his mother isn't his mother, his sister isn't his sister, and his birthday isn't his birthday.

It's new levels of insanity.

The troofers start with a conclusion and then work backwards.

19 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:48:06am

Pamela Geller is a bonafide nutcase.

It takes a special kind of lunatic to proudly advertise ones' lunacy on t-shirts.

20 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:48:18am

re: #11 Sharmuta

The man is so insane, he thinks 0bama's father isn't his father, his mother isn't his mother, his sister isn't his sister, and his birthday isn't his birthday.

It's new levels of insanity.

Who's the mother?

21 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:48:37am

She really is completely batshit nuts, isnt' she? The sad thing is that too many conservatives still take her seriously.

22 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #20 MandyManners

Who's the mother?

The nutcase doesn't say!

23 yesandno  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:49:46am

The actual truth of what is Obama is bizarre enough.

We need to concentrate on what his is dong more then what he may or may not have been.

While they are concentrating on the extreme, the rug is being pulled out from under us.

24 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:49:58am

Unfortunately, I think Pam is actually residing well beyond the shark at this time.

25 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:49:58am

re: #10 lawhawk

Unfrakingbelievable. Pamela, you're doing far worse than tilting at windmills, you're destroying what little credibility you have left by engaging in trooferism and relying on the ravings of lunatic minds to further conspiracy theories on Obama's birth certificate.

Just stop already.

Not so. It's this kind of linkage that will simply increase her popularity and keep her website traffic moving up and up.

We've seen it happen to preachers, politicians and populists, over and over. They become hooked on the cult of personality that is building up around them and eventually they go around the bend, like Pam has done.

And logic and reason be damned.

26 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:50:12am

re: #20 MandyManners

Who's the mother?

they will know her when they see her

27 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:50:48am

Well, I saw those contemporaneous Honolulu birth announcements on microfiche in a very obscure library. The odds that the CIA went around the entire country after Obama got nominated in -- what? -- August of 2008, and spent enormous amounts of manpower creating forged substitute microfiches of every 47-year-old edition of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser in every library from Hannibal Missouri to Cucamonga California are, shall we say, vanishingly small. For what purpose? Why would the CIA specifically want Obama to get elected? (Remember that I saw the microfiches in September and October -- BEFORE Obama got elected.) Sheer crazytown.

28 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:51:08am

re: #20 MandyManners

Who's the mother?

I don't think any of us are truly ready for that bombshell yet.

29 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:51:09am

re: #22 Sharmuta

The nutcase doesn't say!

Was he born in the Bohemian Grove? The Bilderberger Hotel?

30 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:51:30am

re: #21 Fat Jolly Penguin

She really is completely batshit nuts, isnt' she? The sad thing is that too many conservatives still take her seriously.

Pamela has a following, all right.
But you only think they're taking her seriously.

/it's the boobs, mate

31 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:51:44am

re: #26 albusteve

they will know her when they see her

Riding away on a spaceship.

32 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:00am

re: #28 Bloodnok

I don't think any of us are truly ready for that bombshell yet.

Ann Margaret?

33 little boomer  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:08am

I believe Barry is an American citizen. He is also a secretive bastard. Why didn't we get to see his health/educational records etc. ?

34 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:09am

re: #11 Sharmuta

The man is so insane, he thinks 0bama's father isn't his father, his mother isn't his mother, his sister isn't his sister, and his birthday isn't his birthday.

It's new levels of insanity.

And apparently he also believes the CIA forged all the birth announcements using the same linotype machine and somehow inserted these announcements into archived copies of the newspapers.

Good grief!

35 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #20 MandyManners

Who's the mother?

Anastasia, the Grand Duchess.

36 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:32am

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I do not like that woman. I don't like her at all.

37 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #26 albusteve

they will know her when they see her

...and never mind that he looks a LOT like his late mom, right? Sigh.

38 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:39am

I love how this guy says it's odd that the middle initial is used in these birth announcements- but every announcement has one!

Grasping at straws so badly, it's painful to watch.

39 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:43am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

I totally agree...money talks

40 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:52:55am

re: #27 zombie

But see, that just proves how hopelessly entrenched and widespread the conspiracy is!

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41 swamprat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:53:26am

More in sorrow than anger.

42 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:53:49am

re: #38 Sharmuta

I love how this guy says it's odd that the middle initial is used in these birth announcements- but every announcement has one!

Grasping at straws so badly, it's painful to watch.

Now with "laughable alignment"!

43 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:53:53am

re: #27 zombie

No- it's BOTH papers in Hawaii that the CIA got their hands on!

44 That's Mr. President to you  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:54:51am

BTW -

Looks like my smart diplomacy is working

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Iran has laid out a series of demands that I must implement before they will even consider changing their attitude towards us. Things like unfreezing assets and providing the Revolutionary Guard spare parts.

Then they may change their attitude.

I think we will do this. Maybe then there will be some unclenching.

45 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:54:52am

A point here. I looked up the birth announcement in The Honolulu Advertiser that so much is made of in the article. It exist. Published about 8 days after Obama's birth date as given. So all the stuff at Atlas is BS. I went to the micro files in our library.

Obama could end this simply by providing a copy of his BC. Why he does not is a mystery. Clearly there is something he finds upsetting about it. Likely trivial.

46 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:02am

Not that it needs to be said, but there is absolutely no difference between the typefaces used in the Obama announcements and the others on that page.

47 nyexpat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:04am

So let's see... The CIA, under Dick"death squad" Cheney agreed to forge A Democrat's birth certificate.
Works for me.

48 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:16am

re: #33 little boomer

I believe Barry is an American citizen. He is also a secretive bastard. Why didn't we get to see his health/educational records etc. ?

To torment some on the Right in hopes that the rest of us would get smeared by the same brush?

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:32am

re: #43 Sharmuta

No- it's BOTH papers in Hawaii that the CIA got their hands on!

Using the same linotype machine to print copies of the announcment to insert into the archived papers.

I am still trying to figure out what this guy meant by "quality" hair of the half-sister.

50 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:46am

re: #45 pat

A point here. I looked up the birth announcement in The Honolulu Advertiser that so much is made of in the article. It exist. Published about 8 days after Obama's birth date as given. So all the stuff at Atlas is BS. I went to the micro files in our library.

Obama could end this simply by providing a copy of his BC. Why he does not is a mystery. Clearly there is something he finds upsetting about it. Likely trivial.

He DID provide a copy of his birth certificate! Certified by the state!

51 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:49am

re: #35 debutaunt

Anastasia, the Grand Duchess.

That has my vote.

52 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:55:50am

re: #45 pat

A point here. I looked up the birth announcement in The Honolulu Advertiser that so much is made of in the article. It exist. Published about 8 days after Obama's birth date as given. So all the stuff at Atlas is BS. I went to the micro files in our library.

Obama could end this simply by providing a copy of his BC. Why he does not is a mystery. Clearly there is something he finds upsetting about it. Likely trivial.

It has been suggested here that his race is listed as "White" or "Caucasian"

53 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:56:18am

re: #43 Sharmuta

No- it's BOTH papers in Hawaii that the CIA got their hands on!

Trickssssseeeeeeeeee.

54 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:56:22am

I just noticed the new auto refresh box next to the new comments button. Way cool.

55 astronmr20  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:56:26am

This can't be true. THe CIA was too busy making crack cocaine and AIDS.


/

56 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #44 That's Mr. President to you

How's it going, ya' fucking, Commie bastard?

BTW, who's your mother?

57 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:57:01am

On the other hand, I have all this stuff littering my hard drive from the election that I never uploaded due to time constraints. For example, I'll upload this now and ask all of your opinions:

Obama school registration from Indonesia.

It says he is a Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen.

Now, I realize that the MSM tried to explain away this document -- to me, unconvincingly -- but I was never quite sure how well-distributed it was. Did the average American get to see this document, but accept the lame explanation for it? (I.e. that the religion and the citizenship applied to his father-in-law, not him, which I simply laugh at.) Or was it simply successfully suppressed?

Is it worth making a zomblog posting out of, way after the fact, or is it a dead issue?

58 right_wing2  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:57:05am

I don't believe this 'The Obamessiah isn't a citizen', no matter how much I wish it were true.

59 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:57:23am

So, Obama's family is 'forged' as well! How could anyone look at that link of hers for more than two seconds without realising it's the work of a lunatic? Geller is completely off her fucking trolley.

60 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:57:29am

re: #45 pat

Obama could end this simply by providing a copy of his BC. Why he does not is a mystery.

No, it's not a mystery. If I were Obama I'd do exactly the same thing: let the kooks continue raving, and discrediting the entire right-wing blogosphere by association.

61 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #46 Charles

Not that it needs to be said, but there is absolutely no difference between the typefaces used in the Obama announcements and the others on that page.

I'm sure your right. I am not going to look over there - I don't want to lose more little grey cells in the process.

62 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:58:18am

re: #46 Charles

Not that it needs to be said, but there is absolutely no difference between the typefaces used in the Obama announcements and the others on that page.

No. We're supposed to believe Carlson and Geller instead of our lying eyes!

63 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:58:20am

The C.I.A.?

It was the K.G.B., naturally.

With one of those Killian memo typesetting machines.
/

64 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:58:36am

re: #61 Catttt

It's true- I've been looking at it for awhile now, and I don't know what the hell this guy is talking about.

65 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:58:42am

re: #60 Charles

No, it's not a mystery. If I were Obama I'd do exactly the same thing: let the kooks continue raving, and discrediting the entire right-wing blogosphere by association.

Busy-work for the loons.

66 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:05am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Untrue. That is a Certificate of Live Birth. The Birth Certificate is created within one year of birth. The Certificate is a summary of information from the document created by application of the subject to prove bith. It is created at time of application.

On the other hand the Department of Health has attested to its accuracy.

67 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:19am

These people are certifiable.

68 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:37am

re: #57 zombie

On the other hand, I have all this stuff littering my hard drive from the election that I never uploaded due to time constraints. For example, I'll upload this now and ask all of your opinions:

Obama school registration from Indonesia.

It says he is a Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen.

Now, I realize that the MSM tried to explain away this document -- to me, unconvincingly -- but I was never quite sure how well-distributed it was. Did the average American get to see this document, but accept the lame explanation for it? (I.e. that the religion and the citizenship applied to his father-in-law, not him, which I simply laugh at.) Or was it simply successfully suppressed?

Is it worth making a zomblog posting out of, way after the fact, or is it a dead issue?

I'm sure you meant stepfather unless there's a whole new issue about Michelle's parents that needs to be investigated (Pamela is on it, I am sure).

69 jimzinsocal  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:38am

re: #10 lawhawk

Unfrakingbelievable. Pamela, you're doing far worse than tilting at windmills, you're destroying what little credibility you have left by engaging in trooferism and relying on the ravings of lunatic minds to further conspiracy theories on Obama's birth certificate.

Just stop already.

I tend to agree. Sheesh. She used to be worth reading way back when.
I dont get the obsession weve seen of late.

Just let it go already.

70 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:42am

re: #55 astronmr20

This can't be true. THe CIA was too busy making crack cocaine and AIDS.

/

How does Geller still get readers? Are there that many insane people in the world?

71 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #66 pat

Do you know what my birth certificate says? "Certificate of Live Birth". They are the same thing!

72 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:59:59am

re: #52 Alouette

It has been suggested here that his race is listed as "White" or "Caucasian"

he's not white

73 opnion  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:00am

THe fact that BHO does not closely resemble his half sister is proof that they are not related? They each had different fathers, that is why they are half siblings & the paternal genes probably dominated in both cases.
Did I miss somethin?

74 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:16am

re: #52 Alouette

I think it is something like that. Something silly.

75 Wilderstad  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:22am

Pamela would be better served in understanding that this issue is dead. Dead, buried and rotting.
It's time to focus on the damage the Zero is doing to the country and work to fire his sorry butt from this all too important job. He's unqualified, Marxist, and dangerous to the United States of America.

76 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:27am

Heads-up everybody. If you accidentally hit new comment, while on auto, you get a mild shock.

77 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:31am

re: #68 Alouette

I'm sure you meant stepfather unless there's a whole new issue about Michelle's parents that needs to be investigated (Pamela is on it, I am sure).

Yes, stepfather, not father-in-law. PIMF.

78 swamprat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:35am

v=eYlJH81dSiw

Youtube Video


Youtube Video
79 cyclosarin  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:00:47am

Is she an Objectivist as her website title intimates? Because that would explain a lot. Those people are nutty as a fruitcake.

80 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:01:42am

Holy smokes Pamela! It's just plain stupid to waste time on this specious issue. This is not the way to win the hearts and minds of America.

81 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:01:44am

re: #79 cyclosarin

Quite a few Objectivists have complained of her use of Rand- they think pamela's not one of them.

82 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:01:57am

re: #70 Wyatt Earp

How does Geller still get readers? Are there that many insane people in the world?

Look at her videos on Google and note the difference in hits between the videos with her in a bikini and the ones without.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:02:28am

re: #80 Bobblehead

Holy smokes Pamela! It's just plain stupid to waste time on this specious issue. This is not the way to win the hearts and minds of America.

I have the answer. Pamela is a tool of FCBBHO.

84 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:02:38am

re: #71 Sharmuta

Do you know what my birth certificate says? "Certificate of Live Birth". They are the same thing!

GASP! And I thought I knew you.....

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85 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #72 albusteve

he's not white

He's as white as he is black, but he appears black. If he self-identified as white, he'd be considered crazy. Not to mention the reaction of African-Americans who would consider him a traitor.

86 moonbattery  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:00am

Pamela Geller is a stunning example of concentrated crazy.

87 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:01am

re: #82 Bloodnok

Look at her videos on Google and note the difference in hits between the videos with her in a bikini and the ones without.

So, she's basically the Britney Spears of the blogosphere. Not terrible to look at, but dumb as a sack of rocks? Got it.

88 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #48 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - y'all know I'm no nirther nor a troofer, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I am still troubled by Obama's failure to release his medical records - the way McCain did - instead of a one page letter from his doctor saying Obama's in good health. And no I'm not looking for evidence of cocaine use or anything like that. It just seems to me that the POTUS and Leader of the Free World - or rather the candidate for that position, owed it to the voters to make those records available. After all, after Obama comes Biden and - OMG - Pelosi and if he's suffering from any condition that would account for his "exhaustion" and need for frequent short "time off", we ought to have know about it.

89 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #57 zombie

I think that is a dead issue. A school official was interviewed by the press, and the school was basically secular - they actually spoke to a former headmaster. Also, O's mom sent him to Catholic school also.

Additionally, President O accepted Jesus into his life as an adult, so as far as I am concerned, he's a Christian now.

90 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #87 Wyatt Earp

So, she's basically the Britney Spears of the blogosphere. Not terrible to look at, but dumb as a sack of rocks? Got it.

She's not necessarily dumb. Just misguided.

91 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #57 zombie

Step-father, not father-in-law, zombie.

No, I don't really care.

92 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:04:09am

re: #55 astronmr20
What, you've never heard of multi-tasking?!?
/

93 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:04:22am

re: #83 MandyManners

I have the answer. Pamela is a tool of FCBBHO.

Stranger things have happened.

PS How's young Mr. Manners these days? Looking forward to spring break?

94 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:04:34am

re: #46 Charles

Not that it needs to be said, but there is absolutely no difference between the typefaces used in the Obama announcements and the others on that page.

I'm glad you mentioned that, because I'm looking at all of that going WTF. I don't see any difference, nor do I see the problem.

The article goes on about "type setting" differences (which there is none) and then ends up with "the CIA had to have done it."

Well, that's silly, why couldn't it have been the Illuminatti or the Masons or the...

95 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:04:50am

my original says....Certified Copy of Record of Birth...

(then it goes on to describe what a handsome baby I was)

96 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:04:53am

re: #82 Bloodnok

Look at her videos on Google and note the difference in hits between the videos with her in a bikini and the ones without.

Guess they're hoping that if Atlas does shrug, that something'll pop loose.

97 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:04am

re: #88 realwest

Hey Mandy - y'all know I'm no nirther nor a troofer, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I am still troubled by Obama's failure to release his medical records - the way McCain did - instead of a one page letter from his doctor saying Obama's in good health. And no I'm not looking for evidence of cocaine use or anything like that. It just seems to me that the POTUS and Leader of the Free World - or rather the candidate for that position, owed it to the voters to make those records available. After all, after Obama comes Biden and - OMG - Pelosi and if he's suffering from any condition that would account for his "exhaustion" and need for frequent short "time off", we ought to have know about it.

I, too, think he should release his medical report.

98 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:08am

re: #82 Bloodnok

Look at her videos on Google and note the difference in hits between the videos with her in a bikini and the ones without.

Why would a woman who wants to be taken seriously as a professional ever promote pictures of herself in a swimsuit? Of course, we have plenty of substantive reasons not to take her seriously, but really, the cheesecake doesn't help.

99 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:09am

re: #57 zombie

From what I understand, if your birth father is Muslim, you are automatically Muslim. Kind of a take on if you are born to a Jewish woman, you are automatically Jewish.Typical Islamic bastardization of Judeo-Christian tradition. As for the Indonesian citizenship, I don't think it was ever resolved one way or the other.

100 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #90 Bloodnok

She's not necessarily dumb. Just misguided insane.

I had to fix that. This is beyond "misguided". She's gone over the edge.

101 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:20am

re: #59 Jimmah

So, Obama's family is 'forged' as well! How could anyone look at that link of hers for more than two seconds without realising it's the work of a lunatic? Geller is completely off her fucking trolley.

I very much like that phrase! Further, her trolley appears to have gotten stuck in the tall grass and brush of a neglected vacant lot.

102 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:32am

That thread really created a buzz over there. She's up to 15 comments! Another 3 and it will be the busiest thread on her front page.

103 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:54am

re: #90 Bloodnok

She's not necessarily dumb. Just misguided.

And insane.

104 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:57am

re: #86 moonbattery

Pamela Geller is a stunning example of concentrated crazy.


"concentrated crazy"...... Love it, love it, love it.

105 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:05:57am

re: #100 Sharmuta

I had to fix that. This is beyond "misguided". She's gone over the edge.

I'm too nice in the morning.

106 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:05am

re: #95 albusteve

my original says....Certified Copy of Record of Birth...

(then it goes on to describe what a handsome baby I was)

I wouldn't trust any birth attributed to Roswell, NM.

107 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:07am

re: #93 Bobblehead

Stranger things have happened.

PS How's young Mr. Manners these days? Looking forward to spring break?

He's with my dad in Denver. Oh, the quiet is wonderful and strange.

Now, back to the lunacy.

108 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #102 Jimmah

That thread really created a buzz over there. She's up to 15 comments! Another 3 and it will be the busiest thread on her front page.

Her own commenters told her this guy's a racist, and she couldn't figure out what they were talking about.

109 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:40am

re: #57 zombie

On the other hand, I have all this stuff littering my hard drive from the election that I never uploaded due to time constraints. For example, I'll upload this now and ask all of your opinions:

Obama school registration from Indonesia.

It says he is a Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen.

Now, I realize that the MSM tried to explain away this document -- to me, unconvincingly -- but I was never quite sure how well-distributed it was. Did the average American get to see this document, but accept the lame explanation for it? (I.e. that the religion and the citizenship applied to his father-in-law, not him, which I simply laugh at.) Or was it simply successfully suppressed?

Is it worth making a zomblog posting out of, way after the fact, or is it a dead issue?

I'd keep it as 'unexplained oddities' - which would not really have affected the outcome of his election (unfortunately, thank you, MFM!).
I think such a collection is worth having and hanging on to - because once he's out of office, it will be extremely important to research what was and was not important in how he got there.
All the holes in his meagre paper trail, for example, are also good evidence for connivance somewhere.

So - hang onto it, but its only zomblog-worthy in a collection of other oddities to do with his election.

110 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #94 Walter L. Newton

I'm glad you mentioned that, because I'm looking at all of that going WTF. I don't see any difference, nor do I see the problem.

The article goes on about "type setting" differences (which there is none) and then ends up with "the CIA had to have done it."

Well, that's silly, why couldn't it have been the Illuminatti or the Masons or the...

CFR. Bilderbergers. Club of Rome.

111 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:06:52am

I remember taking a school trip to a historic linotype exhibit and we each had the chance to make our own names.

The most complicated part of newspaper work (IMHO) was constructing the page plates. You had to be able to read mirror image print, fast and accurate.
An amazing skill no longer required.

112 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:07:32am

re: #87 Wyatt Earp
Howdy Wyatt - just wanted to express my commiserations and sympathies to you on the loss of your brother officers in Oakland last night.

113 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #60 Charles

No, it's not a mystery. If I were Obama I'd do exactly the same thing: let the kooks continue raving, and discrediting the entire right-wing blogosphere by association.

Yep - and let them take their eyes off the ball of what he is really doing - what could be better for him!

114 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:07:44am

re: #104 Bobblehead

"concentrated crazy"...... Love it, love it, love it.

just add alcohol!

115 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:07:59am

re: #30 Irish Rose

Pamela has a following, all right.
But you only think they're taking her seriously.

/it's the boobs, mate

I didn't quite understand what you meant, until I saw a picture of her and this:

re: #82 Bloodnok

Look at her videos on Google and note the difference in hits between the videos with her in a bikini and the ones without.

I see what's going on now. She's an attention whore.

116 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #96 Dar ul Harb

'Course something has popped loose, but losing her marbles were not what they were expecting...

117 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:15am

re: #112 realwest

Howdy Wyatt - just wanted to express my commiserations and sympathies to you on the loss of your brother officers in Oakland last night.

Afternoon Real! And thanks! What a terrible day for the city of Oakland.

118 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:23am

I don't get all the fuss between Charles and Pam.

First of all, both Charles and Pam have history of voicing strong concerns and opposition to Islamic supremacy in America and the world, support for Israel and individual liberties, and slam moonbat liberals, Code Pinkers and the blame-America crowd.

Essentially, they are both pro-Israel. Right? Pam is an American Jew, right? Charles support the Jews and their right to a national homeland, right?

And yet, Charles draw the line on the 9/11 trooferism and Obama birth certificate fuss. Charles called her "cuckoo insane" on those positions, in spite of the fact both of them stand strongly against Islamic supremacy, hatred against Jews and Americans, Israel and the United States.

Why backstab and slander your likewise ally in the face of the greatest threat to America and freedom? Is that how you wanted America's enemies to divide and conquer us because of Charles' and Pam's differences on the blogosphere? I'm still puzzled by all of this infighting among likewise allies (specifically on the position against Islamic supremacy and Jew-hatred, etc).

119 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:26am

This one goes out to Pamela.

Youtube Video
120 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #95 albusteve

my original says....Certified Copy of Record of Birth...

(then it goes on to describe what a handsome baby I was)


Thereby PROVING it was a forgery! LOL!
:)

121 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:08:57am

re: #96 Dar ul Harb

Guess they're hoping that if Atlas does shrug, that something'll pop loose.

ROFLMAO!

122 Last Mohican  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:00am

re: #6 Charles

It makes sure the links don't increase their Google pagerank.

I didn't know that tinurl has that effect. I'll be sure to use tinyurl from now on when linking to whose pagerank I do not wish to increase. We should all do the same.

123 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:06am

re: #89 Catttt

I think that is a dead issue. A school official was interviewed by the press, and the school was basically secular - they actually spoke to a former headmaster. Also, O's mom sent him to Catholic school also.

Additionally, President O accepted Jesus into his life as an adult, so as far as I am concerned, he's a Christian now.

Oh, I know all that. I'm not saying it was a madrassa. I'm not saying he is still a Muslim. It's just that Obama's team and the MSM claim he was NEVER a Muslim, ever. Which this document contradicts. I'm also not claiming he isn't an American citizen -- he obviously is -- but perhaps that at one point he had dual citizenship -- Indonesian and American. (Which this document also indicates.)

The key is to not overstep -- to make claims and jump to conclusions beyond what is documented. All I'm saying is that in 1968 (or whenever this is from), Obama was considered a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen. But it's quite obvious that by the time he entered Punahou and his mom dumped Soetoro, Obama had forgotten all about being a Muslim.

124 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:09am

re: #73 opnion

THe fact that BHO does not closely resemble his half sister is proof that they are not related? They each had different fathers, that is why they are half siblings & the paternal genes probably dominated in both cases.
Did I miss somethin?

You didn't - but they probably flunked Genetics 101.

125 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:25am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

She started all of this by attacking Charles when he didn't want to join forces with fascists in europe.

126 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #120 realwest

Thereby PROVING it was a forgery! LOL!
:)

what are you?...a lawyer?

127 swamprat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:09:40am

re: #78 swamprat

!. "shame and scandal"/(that girl is your sister, but your momma don't know)
2."I'm my own grandpa"

128 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:10:25am

re: #115 Fat Jolly Penguin

I see what's going on now. She's an attention whore.

Indeed- and it doesn't bother her one bit to get attention by being the craziest blogger on the block. No such thing as bad attention in her book.

129 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:10:39am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

Why backstab and slander your likewise ally in the face of the greatest threat to America and freedom?

You're new here, aren't you? He's not backstabbing and/or slandering. He is showing us how her radical views and trooferism are making all conservatives look like ranting, raving loons!

130 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:10:40am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

The insane are no one's ally.

131 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #43 Sharmuta

No- it's BOTH papers in Hawaii that the CIA got their hands on!

My friend at NSA is sooooooo jealous. /

132 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:10:45am

Out of habit, I keep hitting the new comments button. LOL

133 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #108 Sharmuta

Her own commenters told her this guy's a racist, and she couldn't figure out what they were talking about.

She's causing even her own readers to facepalm.

134 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #71 Sharmuta

They are not . Trust me on this. Not even close. There is much more information on the BC. They do not even look the same.

Here is a Hawaii Birth Certificate:
Image: Real_hawaii_certificate-1963.jpg


Although the document has the same name, the computer generated document is merely to confirm bith and residency at time of birth.

135 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

Ever heard of Robert Spencer? Vlams Belang? BNP? Trooferism?

136 ErnieG  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:11:36am

re: #11 Sharmuta

The man is so insane, he thinks 0bama's father isn't his father, his mother isn't his mother, his sister isn't his sister, and his birthday isn't his birthday.

It's new levels of insanity.

Still, it hasn't yet reached the level of "So crazy that the others noticed."

137 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:11:49am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

Investigate the history before you type.

138 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

I tend to think her positions will polarize and her readership will become far more partisan - but not necessarily result in higher traffic.

She's now dancing in the same circles as the troofers and complete nutters (to say nothing of the anti-Semites she thinks are on her side re: counter-jihad). That's bad jobu anyway you cut it.

139 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:12:32am

re: #134 pat

You are wrong! There are two version, a long form and a short form but either go by the same title of "Certificate of Live Birth". I know- I have BOTH versions of mine.

140 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:12:49am

re: #129 Wyatt Earp

You're new here, aren't you? He's not backstabbing and/or slandering. He is showing us how her radical views and trooferism are making all conservatives look like ranting, raving loons!

11/26/04

141 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:13:19am

OT

I let my cats out on the patio, with stern instructions not to leave it. The domestic shorthair obeys, and she also rats out the Siamese when he strays.

I found him at the playground. Seriously. He was watching the children play.

142 lawhawk  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:13:21am

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

BTW, I don't think I ever got back to you on what BSG is - it's the tv show Battlestar Galactica, and Friday nite was the series finale (pending a tv movie and a prequel series starting up later this year).

143 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:13:47am

re: #118 the_flying_pig
You don't get it, don't you?
It was not Charles that started this 'infighting' it was Pam by insisting on aligning with fascist from Europe.
I bow to the moral wisdom and principles of Charles.

144 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:14:00am

American Tea Party Anthem by Lloyd Marcus
Freedom ain't free.

145 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:14:39am

re: #139 Sharmuta

I did not say that. I know they both go by the same name. I said that is how we distinguish them. In the office. I work with these documents every day.

146 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:14:45am

re: #125 Sharmuta

I'm aware of that history with Geert Wilders. He is just one man who made a controversial 15 minutes movie exposing the problems from the Qu'ran and used his political positions to advance far right-wing movements in Europe. The Devil is really in the details. There are other people more influential and powerful than Wilders.

147 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:14:52am

re: #143 callahan23

You don't get it, don't you?
It was not Charles that started this 'infighting' it was Pam by insisting on aligning with fascist from Europe.
I bow to the moral wisdom and principles of Charles.

And even if that had never happened, I think she would have flipped out and attacked Charles for not being a Nirther.

148 vagabond trader  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #141 Catttt

Does the rat scream like mad when tattling? I had two wonderful boy cats and the older one would yowl when the other did something wrong like climbing on the roof.

149 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #118 the_flying_pig
My word. You've been on LGF since 2004 and you don't know about Pamela's statement, at her blog, that Charles was "aligned with CAIR"? Or all of the supporting of neo-Nazi's she's done - or, for that matter by saying that everyone in Europe was a collaborator after the Nazi's took over, evidenced a degree of ignorance that's just intolerable - especially to a number of LGFer's who lost family members in the resistance to the Nazi's in Europe?
Have you not read where Charles' has said, over and over and over "NO Fascists in my foxhole"?
But all of that is irrelevant to this issue: She is so wrong on this she's an embarrassment to the right wing or even center wing of the blogosphere.

150 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

Maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who present terribly flawed research, maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who have very public connections to racists, bigots and white nationalist, maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who seem more interested in grooming her public image then her imagined validity in the scheme of things.

Maybe it because Charles is interested in the truth. Are you?

151 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:30am

re: #146 the_flying_pig

I'm aware of that history with Geert Wilders. He is just one man who made a controversial 15 minutes movie exposing the problems from the Qu'ran and used his political positions to advance far right-wing movements in Europe. The Devil is really in the details. There are other people more influential and powerful than Wilders.

Uh- NO. This pre-dates Wilders.

152 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:40am

re: #88 realwest

Hey Mandy - y'all know I'm no nirther nor a troofer, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I am still troubled by Obama's failure to release his medical records - the way McCain did - instead of a one page letter from his doctor saying Obama's in good health. And no I'm not looking for evidence of cocaine use or anything like that. It just seems to me that the POTUS and Leader of the Free World - or rather the candidate for that position, owed it to the voters to make those records available. After all, after Obama comes Biden and - OMG - Pelosi and if he's suffering from any condition that would account for his "exhaustion" and need for frequent short "time off", we ought to have know about it.

There's a little medical term I like to call: lazy-ass.

153 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #146 the_flying_pig

I'm aware of that history with Geert Wilders. He is just one man who made a controversial 15 minutes movie exposing the problems from the Qu'ran and used his political positions to advance far right-wing movements in Europe. The Devil is really in the details. There are other people more influential and powerful than Wilders.

This goes beyond Wilders.

154 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:57am

re: #143 callahan23

You don't get it, don't you?
It was not Charles that started this 'infighting' it was Pam by insisting on aligning with fascist from Europe.
I bow to the moral wisdom and principles of Charles.


Great title for a book.

155 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:57am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

They say that Il Duce made the trains run on time, but we still liberated Italy from his fascist clutches.

156 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:15:58am

Better thread. I was getting depressed in the last one, all that talk about controlling executive pay and all. Nothing like a Nirther thread to lighten the spirit and bring a smile to my face!

157 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #145 pat

Is a certified copy of a short form Certificate of Live Birth not valid as proof of identity?

158 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #148 vagabond trader

Does the rat scream like mad when tattling? I had two wonderful boy cats and the older one would yowl when the other did something wrong like climbing on the roof.

Yes! She absolutely does, bless her heart. :D

159 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #115 Fat Jolly Penguin

I see what's going on now. She's an attention whore.

Reminds me of Obaid Karki.

160 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:16:54am

re: #126 albusteve Yes.
And also a person of impeccable taste!
:)

161 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:17:26am

re: #142 lawhawk

BTW, I don't think I ever got back to you on what BSG is - it's the tv show Battlestar Galactica, and Friday nite was the series finale (pending a tv movie and a prequel series starting up later this year).

Ok, just wondering, I don't watch any TV at all, except 1 hour of LOST every week. Blatant name dropping, I know Richard Hatch, he does a acting class at our theatre once a year, really nice guy, he owns a few pieces of the BSG franchise.

162 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:17:35am

re: #137 Dianna

Again, I'm aware of it. I'm not stupid. Like I said, the Devil is really in the details and I'm constantly reminded of Sun Tzu's Art of War when it comes to deception and perception between sides.

163 DEZes  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:17:48am

Helen Thomas, now known as Gasbag Vader Hovers over Obama Guy Whacker, her respirator clicks, and she says, I am your mother.
"NOOOOOOO"

164 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:23am

re: #38 Sharmuta

I love how this guy says it's odd that the middle initial is used in these birth announcements- but every announcement has one!

Grasping at straws so badly, it's painful to watch.

There are several newspaper archives available online. I subscribe because I do genealogy research. It is utterly laughable that middle initials are not used, among other ridiculous things her buffoon source asserts.

165 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:28am

re: #149 realwest

Sums it up for me.

166 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:47am

re: #162 the_flying_pig

I disagree. I think you might be stupid if you think bat shit crazy like this doesn't deserve exposure and derision.

167 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:50am

re: #153 MandyManners
"This goes beyond Wilders." Indeed and predates that too.

168 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:51am

re: #158 Catttt

Yes! She absolutely does, bless her heart. :D

She keeps him on the straight and narrow.

169 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #157 Sharmuta

Of course it is. That is why it exists, to show when, where, and to whom you were born. Without all the other detail. The State accepts both forms for ID purposes, as equally valid by law.

170 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:19:24am

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm employing GAZE.

171 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:19:38am

re: #169 pat

Of course it is. That is why it exists, to show when, where, and to whom you were born. Without all the other detail. The State accepts both forms for ID purposes, as equally valid by law.

And he released one, so what's the problem?

172 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #112 realwest

Howdy Wyatt - just wanted to express my commiserations and sympathies to you on the loss of your brother officers in Oakland last night.

Three sargents - were they specifically targeted?

173 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:20:33am

re: #172 debutaunt

Three sargents - were they specifically targeted?

I don't believe so. The shooter just wanted to take out police officers.

174 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #172 debutaunt

Three sargents - were they specifically targeted?

No, it was random.

175 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #154 Bobblehead

Great title for a book.


Moral wisdom and principles of Charles. The ÜberLizard
MBWAHAHAA

176 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:21:02am

re: #172 debutaunt

Three sargents - were they specifically targeted?

Nope, just first on the scene.

177 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:21:23am

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

Maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who present terribly flawed research, maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who have very public connections to racists, bigots and white nationalist, maybe because Charles is not interested in allies who seem more interested in grooming her public image then her imagined validity in the scheme of things.

Maybe it because Charles is interested in the truth. Are you?

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

178 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:21:36am

And i don't know what the big deal is with that address. I mean really. Where does that go. The aimless rambling about a rental house. These were students. They rented a house. So?

179 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:21:40am

re: #9 calvin coolidge

What I like to rant about is to think that one short year ago my biggest worry was Hillary Clinton becoming President. Boy, those were the good old days.

Heh. I wasn't ever all that freaked out by Hillary, to tell the truth. I wish the Hannities of the world had worked a little less hard at demonizing her for the past couple of years, actually.

Kind of like I wish Rush Limbaugh had not demonized John McCain for the last decade.

180 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:22:27am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

How the hell can you trust a source of information like pamela geller when she's promoting such insanity?! Are you ever sure she's telling you the truth about jihadi activities?!

181 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:22:38am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

the truth is far more important....the principle out weighs alliances

182 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #172 debutaunt
Well the three who were murdered were Sgt's, but the one who was wounded but lived was, iirc, a patrol officer.
Don't think they were specifically targeted because of their rank.

183 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:18am

re: #157 Sharmuta

Is a certified copy of a short form Certificate of Live Birth not valid as proof of identity?


Yes, it is.

184 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

So if Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin were against Islamic supremacy you would be happy to support them?

185 gunslingah  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:27am

Well, now that BHO is safely ensconced in the White House, the sinister truth can be told. Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. He wasn't born in Kenya, either. He was actually born in... wait for it... Moscow! The love child of a senior Politburo member and a Kenyan exchange student at Moscow State University, he was born in a secret hospital under the Kremlin. The KGB, recognizing the unique asset at their disposal--a half-black, half-white child, who could imagine such a thing!--quickly inserted a false birth announcement into the Honolulu Advertiser, and bribed Hawaiian state officials into creating a counterfeit birth certificate.

After undergoing basic training in espionage and subversion at a secret KGB school somewhere in Siberia, the toddler Obama was delivered by nuclear submarine to the Hawaiian islands sometime in late 1963 (how does that match up with your JFK assassination conspiracies), and delivered ashore by Spetznaz operatives in a small boat. There, he was turned over to a deep cover Soviet mole by the name of Stanley Ann Dunham, who commenced the lifelong project of grooming him to someday take over the reins of the world's most powerful democracy. Now, more than 40 years later, this devilishly clever, patient, and insidious plot has come to fruition, and only a brave band of seemingly insane bloggers and conspiracy theorists can be trusted to reveal the truth!

Wheels within wheels, my friend, wheels within wheels...

186 gmsc  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:27am

re: #142 lawhawk

BTW, I don't think I ever got back to you on what BSG is - it's the tv show Battlestar Galactica, and Friday nite was the series finale (pending a tv movie and a prequel series starting up later this year).

The moral of BSG is clear: DON'T DATE ROBOTS! (Brought to you by The Space Pope)
;)

187 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:29am

Seriously- if a news source went off the rails on a subject, for me, the rest of anything they say is SUSPECT! Even if she promotes an accurate story, she has NO CREDIBILITY!

188 nyc redneck  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:47am

i don't see what she is talking abt.
it isn't even a tempest in a tea pot.
there is no difference in the comparisons she thinks are so dramatic.
has she looked at this stuff?

189 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:54am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

Stormfront (SPIT) probably doesn't like Islamic supremacy either (wouldn't know -would never visit). Would you embrace them for the cause?

190 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:23:57am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

Yep, well, now I know from where you are coming from. Go for it, you'll have good company with your bigoted "friends." You just summed up the way Robert Spencer feels about the issue...

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Go hide under a rock with the rest of your friends, you're on GAZE for me.

191 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:04am

re: #162 the_flying_pig

Again, I'm aware of it. I'm not stupid. Like I said, the Devil is really in the details and I'm constantly reminded of Sun Tzu's Art of War when it comes to deception and perception between sides.

Actually, you seem to be deliberately obtuse.

Whatever.

192 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:14am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

If you seriously can't see the difference, and understand why Pam and the Troofers actually harm the cause, I don't think I'm going to waste my time explaining it.

193 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #188 nyc redneck

i don't see what she is talking abt.
it isn't even a tempest in a tea pot.
there is no difference in the comparisons she thinks are so dramatic.
has she looked at this stuff?

Nope- it fits her template and that's all she needs.

194 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

You think it's okay to align with Nazis?

195 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:35am
196 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:24:52am

re: #185 gunslingah

Well, now that BHO is safely ensconced in the White House, the sinister truth can be told. Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. He wasn't born in Kenya, either. He was actually born in... wait for it... Moscow! The love child of a senior Politburo member and a Kenyan exchange student at Moscow State University, he was born in a secret hospital under the Kremlin. The KGB, recognizing the unique asset at their disposal--a half-black, half-white child, who could imagine such a thing!--quickly inserted a false birth announcement into the Honolulu Advertiser, and bribed Hawaiian state officials into creating a counterfeit birth certificate.

After undergoing basic training in espionage and subversion at a secret KGB school somewhere in Siberia, the toddler Obama was delivered by nuclear submarine to the Hawaiian islands sometime in late 1963 (how does that match up with your JFK assassination conspiracies), and delivered ashore by Spetznaz operatives in a small boat. There, he was turned over to a deep cover Soviet mole by the name of Stanley Ann Dunham, who commenced the lifelong project of grooming him to someday take over the reins of the world's most powerful democracy. Now, more than 40 years later, this devilishly clever, patient, and insidious plot has come to fruition, and only a brave band of seemingly insane bloggers and conspiracy theorists can be trusted to reveal the truth!

Wheels within wheels, my friend, wheels within wheels...

Makes sense to me. :-D

197 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:25:20am

If pamela geller told me the sky was blue, I'd double check that.

She has no one to blame for her loss of credibility but herself.

198 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #185 gunslingah

LOL. Steyn says Stockholm, Brussels, or Strassbourg.

199 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:25:42am
200 Timbre  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:26:49am

We have our own Nirther (and Texas secessionist, too) right here this morning! scroll down to read the Nirther letter (or the secession letter!).

201 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #200 Timbre

We have our own Nirther (and Texas secessionist, too) right here this morning! scroll down to read the Nirther letter (or the secession letter!).

First words: Ron Paul

*Close*

202 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:27:47am

re: #187 Sharmuta

Seriously- if a news source went off the rails on a subject, for me, the rest of anything they say is SUSPECT! Even if she promotes an accurate story, she has NO CREDIBILITY!

I wish more people thought like you and I. I saw a promo last night for a news show. It prominently featured Dan Rather as a sponsor. What type of utter moron would want to have that fraud associated with their news program?

203 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #88 realwest

Hey Mandy - y'all know I'm no nirther nor a troofer, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I am still troubled by Obama's failure to release his medical records - the way McCain did - instead of a one page letter from his doctor saying Obama's in good health. And no I'm not looking for evidence of cocaine use or anything like that. It just seems to me that the POTUS and Leader of the Free World - or rather the candidate for that position, owed it to the voters to make those records available. After all, after Obama comes Biden and - OMG - Pelosi and if he's suffering from any condition that would account for his "exhaustion" and need for frequent short "time off", we ought to have know about it.

+1 can't upding on my laptop for some reason

204 Macker  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:02am

My God, what happened to Pamela? It's hard to believe she's turned this way.

[Deleted]

205 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:14am

Murtha Petition

Current count: 24,500.

206 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:21am

re: #188 nyc redneck

i don't see what she is talking abt.
it isn't even a tempest in a tea pot.
there is no difference in the comparisons she thinks are so dramatic.
has she looked at this stuff?

No. She's in the grip of her hysteria again, and believes anything her source wants her to. She's over-excited and intensely suggestible.

It's all very sad.

207 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

Have you said the same thing to Pamela?

208 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:35am

re: #141 Catttt

OT

I let my cats out on the patio, with stern instructions not to leave it. The domestic shorthair obeys, and she also rats out the Siamese when he strays.

I found him at the playground. Seriously. He was watching the children play.

Dilemma - which cat do you reward?

209 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:28:49am

re: #202 rawmuse

I wish more people thought like you and I. I saw a promo last night for a news show. It prominently featured Dan Rather as a sponsor. What type of utter moron would want to have that fraud associated with their news program?

Because people don't want the truth anymore. People want propaganda that confirms what they already think.

210 BLBfootballs  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:29:21am

re: #6 Charles

It makes sure the links don't increase their Google pagerank.

Good tip.

211 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:29:22am

re: #207 rightymouse

Have you said the same thing to Pamela?

I wish I could ding this a bazillion times.

212 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #195 SixDegrees

Not as cute as you seem to think.

213 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:29:39am

re: #205 pink freud

Murtha Petition

Current count: 24,500.


I am asking again, are foreigners allowed to vote on that petition?

214 Timbre  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #201 Bloodnok

Yeah, we have Paulians, too. And, in my opinion, one of the more active John Birch Society chapters around. They even buy local radio ad time.

215 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:05am

Good grief! I've got to keep my cursor off the new comments button. I need a group intervention. Help!

216 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:23am

re: #205 pink freud

Murtha Petition

Current count: 24,500.

sounds like LGF led the charge on that one...do you know when the ceremony is?

217 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:24am

re: #212 Dianna

Not as cute as you seem to think.

I agree, it's sort of a backhanded slap at us.

218 realwest  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:25am

Well you all - I said this on the previous thread and just dropped by to see what this thread was all about but now I gotta go.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

219 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:34am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

because she has chosen to associate herself fascist organizations and white nationalists and got pissed at Charles when he (and by extension, those of us still here) refused to have anything to do with it/them. Try looking up the "when friends attack" thread for the background.

220 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:35am

re: #215 Bobblehead

Good grief! I've got to keep my cursor off the new comments button. I need a group intervention. Help!

Turn off the Auto feature and click to your hearts content?

221 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:30:35am

Well, I can see from the general lack of interest that the Indonesian school registration form is fairly uninspiring to people. I suspected as much, which is why I never posted it, so I will continue to let it age gracefully in my "unpublished junk" archives, until maybe 2012 -- if the oceans haven't risen by 328 feet by then and drowned everyone except a team of sherpas on their final ascent up Mt. Everest.

222 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:31:10am

re: #204 Macker

My God, what happened to Pamela? It's hard to believe she's turned this way.

[Deleted]

No, actually, it's not.

223 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #123 zombie

Oh, I know all that. I'm not saying it was a madrassa. I'm not saying he is still a Muslim. It's just that Obama's team and the MSM claim he was NEVER a Muslim, ever. Which this document contradicts. I'm also not claiming he isn't an American citizen -- he obviously is -- but perhaps that at one point he had dual citizenship -- Indonesian and American. (Which this document also indicates.)

The key is to not overstep -- to make claims and jump to conclusions beyond what is documented. All I'm saying is that in 1968 (or whenever this is from), Obama was considered a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen. But it's quite obvious that by the time he entered Punahou and his mom dumped Soetoro, Obama had forgotten all about being a Muslim.

I think there may have been some debate as to whether his listing as a Muslim was not just a listing of his step-dad's nominal faith, as you mentioned. I am almost certain that was why he was put down that way. His mother was not religious - and wouldn't she be considered Muslim if her husband was, as far as Indonesia was concerned?

President O mentioned in one of his books that his mom treated religion as a cultural thing, and she exposed him to many different religions in a basic way (as an anthropologist would). He had a few hours a week of religion classes in both the Muslim school and the Catholic school.

224 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:31:49am

Despite her readers pointing out the racist source of the material Pamela's still sticking with it.

225 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #220 Sharmuta

Turn off the Auto feature and click to your hearts content?

No! I refuse to let new technology defeat me!

226 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #213 callahan23

I am asking again, are foreigners allowed to vote on that petition?

I don't remember if I had to supply my state or not, callahan. I did have to supply my real name and my email address. I did not see any posted restrictions.

Give it a go, it can't hurt.

227 [deleted]  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:32:20am
228 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:32:43am

re: #166 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, please don't come to conclusions about me. I have no problem with Charles' effort of exposing fraud and deceit by other bloggers and mainstreamed media pundits. He's doing a great service to all of us and to the blogosphere.

My initial concern is looking at Charles' and Pam's similar positions against Islamic supremacy, anti-semiticism, bad media reporting, and the likes. I know Pam did attacked Charles on other issues that Charles strongly disagreed with. The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere while maintaining similar positions that I said previously is worrisome. The Islamists and blame-American crowd would love nothing but see both of them drag into the dirt and duke it out for all of us to see. This is clearly a divide-n-conquer strategy.

Like I said again, the Devil is really in the details.

229 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:32:48am

re: #226 pink freud
Thanks. Will do.

230 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:33:36am

re: #60 Charles

No, it's not a mystery. If I were Obama I'd do exactly the same thing: let the kooks continue raving, and discrediting the entire right-wing blogosphere by association.

Well, as you may remember, I took that position during the election. And it made sense then. But I am not sure it does any more. While most of the assertion by the nirthers are wrong and stupid, if you are President, who needs a "mystery".

BTW, you are absolutely right on the racist angle of some of these nirthers. Crazy talk. I read some of his statements. They sound like a compilation of every racial stereotype one ever heard. And that was just the opening statement. In my whole life I have never heard that kind of crap.

231 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:33:37am

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Despite her readers pointing out the racist source of the material Pamela's still sticking with it.

That's pretty usual.

232 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:33:40am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

GAZE

233 SteveC  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:03am

Are we sure that this is a drooling racist, and not your average run of the mill, garden variety racist?

And the CIA did it! Hell if the CIA was involved in half of the stuff they have been accused of, you think they would have been Caught In the ACT by now.

234 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:07am

re: #209 Sharmuta

Because people don't want the truth anymore. People want propaganda that confirms what they already think.

"Mirror, mirror, on the wall..."

235 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:07am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

You are equating her success with that of Charles?

236 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:13am

And you thought Mad Max was fiction.

237 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:21am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

No- what's worrisome is pamela thinks aligning with fascists is the solution. If you cannot see how that's a radical departure in thinking from what we have here at LGF, then I don't know what to tell you.

238 funky chicken  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:21am

Are Pamela's daughers still living with her, or are they grown and gone? I feel really sorry for them, and actually feel quite a bit of sympathy for Pamela as well. She obviously suffers from serious mental illness. Her life must be agony.

239 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:45am

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Despite her readers pointing out the racist source of the material Pamela's still sticking with it.

She doesn't even know what they're talking about!

240 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:34:50am

re: #227 Sharmuta

Folks- this joke came up earlier on the Overnight Thread, because I brought up this article at pam's. The joke was since 0bama's parents and siblings were not his that perhaps he was an android, and alien reptilian shape shifters got mentioned too. SixDegrees was there and was making a joke about the previous joke.

Thanks for the explanation. But - we're talking Pamela here. She's going to take that as a threat.

Trust me on this.

241 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

Sharmuta, please don't come to conclusions about me. I have no problem with Charles' effort of exposing fraud and deceit by other bloggers and mainstreamed media pundits. He's doing a great service to all of us and to the blogosphere.

My initial concern is looking at Charles' and Pam's similar positions against Islamic supremacy, anti-semiticism, bad media reporting, and the likes. I know Pam did attacked Charles on other issues that Charles strongly disagreed with. The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere while maintaining similar positions that I said previously is worrisome. The Islamists and blame-American crowd would love nothing but see both of them drag into the dirt and duke it out for all of us to see. This is clearly a divide-n-conquer strategy.

Like I said again, the Devil is really in the details.

Don't assign equivalence. One is a truthful, credible, ethically consistent contra-jihad blogger and the other is not.

242 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:35:21am

re: #202 rawmuse

I wish more people thought like you and I. I saw a promo last night for a news show. It prominently featured Dan Rather as a sponsor. What type of utter moron would want to have that fraud associated with their news program?

The only thing I've heard of Dan Rather doing is his gig on HDNet, which has a viewership of about two, if you include Dan and his wife. I can't find anything else. Is there really a mainstream outfit dumb enough to give him airtime?

243 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:35:32am

re: #216 albusteve

sounds like LGF led the charge on that one...do you know when the ceremony is?



From the creator of the petition:

HONOR MURTHA?
Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:15 AM

Congressman John Murtha was recently awarded the Department of the Navy's highest public service award for non-employees by the Secretary of the Navy. This is an outrage. As you probably know, John Murtha has been the worst of a bad lot in Congress who exploited those serving in combat for political purposes. He was the most outspoken member of Congress in aggressively attacking Marines as "cold blooded killers" who "murdered women and children" after the Haditha incident in November, 2005, BEFORE AN INVESTIGATION WAS EVEN CONDUCTED. In fact, he slandered the Marines to such an extent, and with such disregard for the truth, that one of them sued him for libel (rumor says there's another libel suit to come soon). It is inconceivable that the Secretary of the Navy would give such an award to such a man, yet it happened not two weeks ago with muted response. I have created an online petition to express our outrage and disgust and I'm asking you to join me in signing it. Please use the link below to visit the petition and sign it; it will take less than two minutes. Additionally, please send it on to everyone you know who cares about the reputation of our active duty military and combat veterans, we can't allow this to pass by unnoticed.

Semper Fi.

[Link: www.PetitionOnline.com...]

244 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:35:37am

re: #240 Dianna

I'm sure she will. Her paranoia is out of control, and she should get some help.

245 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:36:04am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

Sharmuta, please don't come to conclusions about me. I have no problem with Charles' effort of exposing fraud and deceit by other bloggers and mainstreamed media pundits. He's doing a great service to all of us and to the blogosphere.

My initial concern is looking at Charles' and Pam's similar positions against Islamic supremacy, anti-semiticism, bad media reporting, and the likes. I know Pam did attacked Charles on other issues that Charles strongly disagreed with. The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere while maintaining similar positions that I said previously is worrisome. The Islamists and blame-American crowd would love nothing but see both of them drag into the dirt and duke it out for all of us to see. This is clearly a divide-n-conquer strategy.

Like I said again, the Devil is really in the details.

bullshit....there is no more to it than what Charles has posted and the responses...why does it need to be more complicated to you?....what details are you referring to?....Charles is avoiding getting dragged into the dirt, that's the whole point....

246 mfarmer1  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:36:42am

It's pretty apparent now why Obama shouldn't have been eligible to run for the job, and it has nothing to do with his birth certificate.

247 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #236 zombie

And you thought Mad Max was fiction.


We're living in surreal times.

248 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:11am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

Just because she's completely disconnected from reality is no reason to shun her. Yeah....right.

The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere while maintaining similar positions that I said previously is worrisome.

The fact that you are talking about this nut as though she were on the same level as Charles is what I find worrisome.

249 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:12am

re: #243 pink freud


From the creator of the petition:

HONOR MURTHA?
Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:15 AM

Congressman John Murtha was recently awarded the Department of the Navy's highest public service award for non-employees by the Secretary of the Navy. This is an outrage. As you probably know, John Murtha has been the worst of a bad lot in Congress who exploited those serving in combat for political purposes. He was the most outspoken member of Congress in aggressively attacking Marines as "cold blooded killers" who "murdered women and children" after the Haditha incident in November, 2005, BEFORE AN INVESTIGATION WAS EVEN CONDUCTED. In fact, he slandered the Marines to such an extent, and with such disregard for the truth, that one of them sued him for libel (rumor says there's another libel suit to come soon). It is inconceivable that the Secretary of the Navy would give such an award to such a man, yet it happened not two weeks ago with muted response. I have created an online petition to express our outrage and disgust and I'm asking you to join me in signing it. Please use the link below to visit the petition and sign it; it will take less than two minutes. Additionally, please send it on to everyone you know who cares about the reputation of our active duty military and combat veterans, we can't allow this to pass by unnoticed.

Semper Fi.

[Link: www.PetitionOnline.com...]

bummer...it's a done deal eh?

250 MarineMomSue  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:14am

re: #185 gunslingah

Golly! I thought 0 came from the cabbage patch like all babies do. (Somebody even posted photographic proof of the cabbage patch producing babies, right here on LGF, just the other day.)
But, I can see the troof of the rest of the story. :)

251 Gella  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:18am

re: #246 mfarmer1

It's pretty apparent now why Obama shouldn't have been eligible to run for the job, and it has nothing to do with his birth certificate.

that is completely different topic of discussion

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:22am

re: #231 Dianna

OT: I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get a response from Glenn Reynolds over his bogus bonus post. Bummer but thanks again for the idea of writing to him about it.

253 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:37:47am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

Sharmuta, please don't come to conclusions about me. I have no problem with Charles' effort of exposing fraud and deceit by other bloggers and mainstreamed media pundits. He's doing a great service to all of us and to the blogosphere.

My initial concern is looking at Charles' and Pam's similar positions against Islamic supremacy, anti-semiticism, bad media reporting, and the likes. I know Pam did attacked Charles on other issues that Charles strongly disagreed with. The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere while maintaining similar positions that I said previously is worrisome. The Islamists and blame-American crowd would love nothing but see both of them drag into the dirt and duke it out for all of us to see. This is clearly a divide-n-conquer strategy.

Like I said again, the Devil is really in the details.

I think this is a situation where you need to take an a priori, rather than an a posteriori, approach. There are basic moral truths at issue here that anyone with a lick of sense can see. Sure, you will find empiral evidence of things you agree with in Pam's voluminous posts, but much that is in there is also rancid. If you look at the big picture, she is throwing caution to the winds morally speaking - not to mention logically.

254 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:38:17am

re: #177 the_flying_pig

I am interested in the truth but not at the expense of being distracted by such infighting among those who are standing up against Islamic supremacy and fighting terror.

Yes, admonish, correct, disagree but "excommunicating" our friends in the fight against Islam is self-defeating.

Fighting in a burning house?

255 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:38:35am

re: #246 mfarmer1

It's pretty apparent now why Obama shouldn't have been eligible to run for the job, and it has nothing to do with his birth certificate.

Bingo. Hitting the nail on the head!

256 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #221 zombie

Well, I can see from the general lack of interest that the Indonesian school registration form is fairly uninspiring to people. I suspected as much, which is why I never posted it, so I will continue to let it age gracefully in my "unpublished junk" archives, until maybe 2012 -- if the oceans haven't risen by 328 feet by then and drowned everyone except a team of sherpas on their final ascent up Mt. Everest.


I bookmarked it. To me it is another page in the long line of pages that have never been shown to the public. Medical records, school records, writings (other than his books which he may or may not have written), or student loan repayments. All of this combined is what troubles me. He is hiding something and had the msm not been so tingling about him we would know who sits in the Oval Office.

257 SteveC  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:38:52am

1961, was Hawaii even a State then?!?!?

/just you watch, some troofer will ask it!

258 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #254 Piglet-U93

She's NOT my friend! She would have nazis in my foxhole with me. No fucking thanks.

259 CapeCoddah  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:39:20am

I do not know who Pamela Geller is really, never herd of her blog until I started reading here. From what I have heard and seen, she is a nut. I just skimmed the first two links she posted for this mess, and the second one, by Adam no name AKA Techdude strikes me as nothing more than a shill begging for $$ to be contributed to the blog. Several times, he says Pamela will forward e-mail to him, maybe, if you donate or, Pamela will post his results... maybe, if you donate. Sounds like Pamela is in a financial mess, and we won't have to listen to this garbage at least from her much longer. This president has given us plenty of real ammo and issues to deal with. The last thing we need are fruitcakes muddying the waters. This is stupidity at it's apex.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:39:29am

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

That the guy who won Survivor?

261 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

OT: I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get a response from Glenn Reynolds over his bogus bonus post. Bummer but thanks again for the idea of writing to him about it.

Maybe today something will come in. I don't believe Reynolds will ignore you.

262 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #246 mfarmer1

It's pretty apparent now why Obama shouldn't have been eligible to run for the job, and it has nothing to do with his birth certificate.

Anyone can run. It took millions of fools to put him in office.

263 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:39:42am

re: #236 zombie

And you thought Mad Max was fiction.

The others escaped, some of them by hailing taxis

Bikers catching taxis? LOL!

264 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:40:14am

re: #195 SixDegrees

I'm deleting your comment even though it's obviously a joke, for the reason others have mentioned.

265 SteveC  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:40:19am

re: #263 MandyManners

The others escaped, some of them by hailing taxis

Bikers catching taxis? LOL!

Any port in a storm!

266 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:40:19am
With extra added crazy person capitalization web design

/um, isn't the sidebar supposed to be on the side and not overlapping the main column?

267 DEZes  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:40:49am

re: #263 MandyManners

The others escaped, some of them by hailing taxis

Bikers catching taxis? LOL!


Taxi meets Thunderdome, ;)

268 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:40:55am

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That the guy who won Survivor?

Er, I think he was Captain Apollo on the original BSG series, for a LONG time.

269 brookly red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #236 zombie

And you thought Mad Max was fiction.

I an airport ? don't the police there have like guns or something?

270 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #254 Piglet-U93

Yes, admonish, correct, disagree but "excommunicating" our friends in the fight against Islam is self-defeating.

Fighting in a burning house?

Hanging out with Nazis is okay?

271 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:33am

re: #264 Charles

Delete my #227 then too please.

272 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:38am

re: #221 zombie

Well, I can see from the general lack of interest that the Indonesian school registration form is fairly uninspiring to people. I suspected as much, which is why I never posted it, so I will continue to let it age gracefully in my "unpublished junk" archives, until maybe 2012 -- if the oceans haven't risen by 328 feet by then and drowned everyone except a team of sherpas on their final ascent up Mt. Everest.


Actually, I'm interested in it, but would have to take a closer look as to what this would actually mean now. Likely his mother and step-father declared his religion for entrance to the school. Did he have dual citizenship?

273 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #264 Charles

Thanks, Charles.

274 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:42am

re: #254 Piglet-U93

Yes, admonish, correct, disagree but "excommunicating" our friends in the fight against Islam is self-defeating.

Fighting in a burning house?

Pamela Geller is no "friend" of mine. And if you think we should be accepting of European fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers, you are very clearly at the wrong website.

275 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:42:13am

re: #213 callahan23

I am asking again, are foreigners allowed to vote on that petition?

I refrained - it would be a great shame if bureaucrats would say the petition is useless because non-USA citizens voted on it.

276 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #254 Piglet-U93

Yes, admonish, correct, disagree but "excommunicating" our friends in the fight against Islam is self-defeating.

Fighting in a burning house?

One is not automatically friends with someone just because they happen to agree with you - or more accurately - because their supporters claim they agree with you - on one issue. Didn't you get the memo about the neo-nazis?

277 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:42:30am

Thanks, Charles.

278 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #226 pink freud

I don't remember if I had to supply my state or not, callahan. I did have to supply my real name and my email address. I did not see any posted restrictions.

Give it a go, it can't hurt.

Done.
Current total signature count 24540

279 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:42:48am

Note to Pamela -

Basically, So What? His mother was certainly a US Citizen at the time of his birth, WHEREVER that might have been. That he was listed as an Indonesian Muslim on school records makes sense insofar as his stepfather was and such listing, I am sure, made life easier in an Indonesian Grade School. At no time that I know of has he ever renounced his US Citizenship.
Do I wish he were NOT our President - YES - AND - Wishing Doesn't Make It So. What does is the Political Process. Let's get cracking on that.

-S-

280 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:43:00am

re: #275 yma o hyd

I refrained - it would be a great shame if bureaucrats would say the petition is useless because non-USA citizens voted on it.

That is very thoughtful.

281 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:43:30am

re: #276 Jimmah

One is not automatically friends with someone just because they happen to agree with you - or more accurately - because their supporters claim they agree with you - on one issue. Didn't you get the memo about the neo-nazis?

He was too busy looking for the red stapler.

282 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:44:10am

re: #221 zombie

Well, I can see from the general lack of interest that the Indonesian school registration form is fairly uninspiring to people. I suspected as much, which is why I never posted it, so I will continue to let it age gracefully in my "unpublished junk" archives, until maybe 2012 -- if the oceans haven't risen by 328 feet by then and drowned everyone except a team of sherpas on their final ascent up Mt. Everest.

Honolulu is the country/city of origin on the form, correct?

283 AuntAcid  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #263 MandyManners

The others escaped, some of them by hailing taxis

Bikers catching taxis? LOL!

...imagine being at the wheel of that taxi! "WTF mate, no tip"?

284 SteveC  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:44:23am

Q: Did they play basketball during Biblical times?

A: Sure did! Luke 8:19 reads, "Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press."

Disciples playin' Defense!

285 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #226 pink freud

I don't remember if I had to supply my state or not, callahan. I did have to supply my real name and my email address. I did not see any posted restrictions.

Give it a go, it can't hurt.

It might hurt - the adressees of that petition might say its worthless because tehre are non-US citizens voting on it.
Better be careful - I know how these bastards think!

286 newsjunkie_ky  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:44:34am

OT
Excellent compilation on the 0's energy policy. Coal, oil, and nuclear power 0 videos here

287 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:45:12am

re: #47 nyexpat

So let's see... The CIA, under Dick"death squad" Cheney agreed to forge A Democrat's birth certificate.
Works for me.

After Cheney returned his Katrina/Hurricane weather machine, he was bored.
Needed something to do.

288 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:45:31am

re: #272 rightymouse

Actually, I'm interested in it, but would have to take a closer look as to what this would actually mean now. Likely his mother and step-father declared his religion for entrance to the school. Did he have dual citizenship?

somebody went into alot of detail about this a couple of weeks ago...citizenship issues and possible implications...I was fascinated but no one really seemed to care at the time....there could be a lot to this...school admission records and all

289 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #227 Sharmuta

Folks- this joke came up earlier on the Overnight Thread, because I brought up this article at pam's. The joke was since 0bama's parents and siblings were not his that perhaps he was an android, and alien reptilian shape shifters got mentioned too. SixDegrees was there and was making a joke about the previous joke.

Actually, it was a reference to that King of all Kooks, David Icke. Who believes that every conspiracy theory every offered, by anyone, anywhere, is absolutely true, and whose own website attempts to tie them all together into a grand Uber-Conspiracy.

Prominent is his conviction that the earth is ruled by the Illuminati, who in turn are reptilian aliens capable of morphing their appearance to pass as humans. He provides proof that these aliens are posing in seats of power - the British Royal Family (Diana found out about them, and they murdered her in a repto-alien feeding frenzy); Washington, Jefferson, and most other American Presidents; most of the royal families in Europe; pretty much all Masons...

Here's a sample to get everyone started learning The Truth: [Link: www.davidicke.com...]

The sheer volume of the site is astonishing.

And yes, this is the David Icke - former soccer star. Apparently, taking too many header shots incurs a substantial cost...

290 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:46:42am

This is making the rounds today.....
Judd Gregg: We’ll go bankrupt under Obama’s budget

Anybody else's bullshit detector going off?

291 pat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:47:12am

I see Obama has not stopped Predator program over Pakistan. That is good.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

292 gmsc  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:47:20am

re: #243 pink freud

Good morning, pink freud!

BTW, the blog post I mentioned last night, Fun and Free (and Nostalgic!) Learning Resources, is now up!

293 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:48:34am

re: #291 pat

I'll give him props on that too.

294 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:48:40am

re: #249 albusteve

bummer...it's a done deal eh?

FF crash, I am back.

The petition is to rescind the award.

This petition is a vehicle to express our bitter disappointment at this betrayal of our combat veterans. Congressman John Murtha should apologize for slandering the Marines of 3/1, and for undermining the efforts of those servicemen and women who fought in Iraq. If he does not, the Secretary of the Navy should rescind this award as a sign of his unwavering support for those who served in combat during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

295 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today.....
Judd Gregg: We’ll go bankrupt under Obama’s budget

Anybody else's bullshit detector going off?

Do you know how many tabs I have open this morning?! If I open yet another, I'll completely lose track.

Can you summarize?

296 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:48:49am

re: #285 yma o hyd

It might hurt - the adressees of that petition might say its worthless because tehre are non-US citizens voting on it.
Better be careful - I know how these bastards think!

The petition is just an attempt to bring public pressure to bear on the Navy to rescind the award. It has no legal force. That's very different from a petition to, say, get a third party candidate on the ballot. The latter must be signed only by voters eligible in that district. So I doubt anyone will check the citizenship of the signatories to the petition.

297 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

The Obama admin. is spending money that they have not yet printed.
The people that will be paying this debt off have not yet been born.

298 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #264 Charles

might want to take a look at 199

299 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:49:59am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today.....
Judd Gregg: We’ll go bankrupt under Obama’s budget

Anybody else's bullshit detector going off?

Oh. It's video. I can't hear what's said. I need a transcript.

300 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:50:32am

re: #290 Killgore Trout

This is making the rounds today.....
Judd Gregg: We’ll go bankrupt under Obama’s budget

Anybody else's bullshit detector going off?

we are bankrupt now aren't we?

301 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:50:34am

re: #228 the_flying_pig

The fact of these two influential bloggers attacking each other in the blogosphere...

Which two? Charles is certainly influential. Pam is...well, let's be polite, and just call her "less than influential." Her readership is minute, and her main claim to fame is muscling her way into photo ops with male Conservatives who have no idea who she is, but are mesmerized by her boobs. Pam is "influential" in the same sense that lesbian hentai is "influential" - and that isn't a good thing.

302 Gella  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:50:47am

re: #299 Dianna

Oh. It's video. I can't hear what's said. I need a transcript.

i posted it in spin off links above

303 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:51:21am

re: #302 Gella

The transcript?

304 Edouard  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:51:29am

I happened to hear Philip Berg on Michael Savage's show one day a few weeks ago when I was out driving around (Berg is a lawyer, he has a website -- I won't link it -- and he is trying to sue all the way up to the Supreme Court to expose the Obama birth certificate "hoax").

Berg was asked by someone calling in about the Honolulu Advertiser birth notice.

Berg then lied for all to hear and claimed that the Advertiser was no more than some local neighborhood ad circular in Honolulu and that anyone could pay to put a birth notice in it.

Of course, the Advertiser is Hawaii's largest daily newspaper. Not sure why Berg would expose himself with such a stupid lie.

I don't listen to Savage much, but Savage is losing it if he's putting a guest like Philip Berg on his show. That's Alex Jones "Prison Planet" cuckoo territory.

305 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:51:47am

re: #295 Dianna
Short version....
Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US

The top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee says the Obama administration is on the right course to save the nation's financial system.

But Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire also says President Barack Obama's massive budget proposal will bankrupt the country.

Gregg says he has no regrets in withdrawing his nomination to become commerce secretary. He pulled out after deciding he could not fully back the administration's economic policies.

The senator said Obama's spending plan in the midst of a prolonged recession would leave the next generation with a country too expensive to live in.

306 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:51:50am

re: #301 SixDegrees

Which two? Charles is certainly influential. Pam is...well, let's be polite, and just call her "less than influential." Her readership is minute, and her main claim to fame is muscling her way into photo ops with male Conservatives who have no idea who she is, but are mesmerized by her boobs. Pam is "influential" in the same sense that lesbian hentai is "influential" - and that isn't a good thing.

LOL, but spot on.

307 Gella  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #303 Dianna

The transcript?


WASHINGTON – The top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee says the Obama administration is on the right course to save the nation's financial system.

But Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire also says President Barack Obama's massive budget proposal will bankrupt the country.

Gregg says he has no regrets in withdrawing his nomination to become commerce secretary. He pulled out after deciding he could not fully back the administration's economic policies.

The senator said Obama's spending plan in the midst of a prolonged recession would leave the next generation with a country too expensive to live in.

Gregg appeared Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."

308 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:52:04am

bbiaw

309 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #301 SixDegrees

What's "lesbian hentai"? Do I need to look it up in TV Tropes?

310 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #294 pink freud

FF crash, I am back.

The petition is to rescind the award.

This petition is a vehicle to express our bitter disappointment at this betrayal of our combat veterans. Congressman John Murtha should apologize for slandering the Marines of 3/1, and for undermining the efforts of those servicemen and women who fought in Iraq. If he does not, the Secretary of the Navy should rescind this award as a sign of his unwavering support for those who served in combat during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

I'm 1196.....I'm in either way...25k people think Murtha is an asshole...so far

311 jaunte  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:53:01am

Here are some key pieces of Gregg's comments:

"I don't think [Obama] was elected to bankrupt the country," Gregg said. "Basically if you run up deficits at this level — where you're doubling the national debt in five years and tripling it in 10 years and then doing virtually nothing to bring it down in the out years — and you don't address the fundamental underlying problems that's driving the cost of spending, which are the cost of the major entitlement programs as a result of the retirement of the baby boom generation, you're going to pass on to our children a government that simply can't be afforded."

Gregg says he worries that unlike people of his generation, current young people won't be able to send their children to college or buy homes.

"The burden of taxation will be so extraordinarily high to maintain the cost of the retired generation that they simply won't be able to have a high quality of life," Gregg says.

"The simple fact is that under our system we have an extremely progressive tax law right now, where 85 percent of the taxes are borne by the top 20 percent of [income-earning] people, which is more progressive than occurred under the Clinton years, where about 82 percent was borne by the top 20 percent," Gregg explains. [Link: www.npr.org...]

312 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #297 rawmuse

The Obama admin. is spending money that they have not yet printed.
The people that will be paying this debt off have not yet been born.

How long have we been doing that? I'm more than a little suspicious of claims that the end is near. Everybody is so full of shit these days.

313 Timbre  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:53:43am

re: #291 pat

I have a feeling it's not a matter of Obama not stopping the program; it's the military telling him the Predators will keep flying.

314 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:54:19am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Short version....
Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US

That reads like Gregg is contradicting himself? What does he actually think? And why?

(I think this budget is a disaster, but your mileage may vary)

315 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #289 SixDegrees

His views remind me of Lyndon Larouche but with bad 80's style special effects.

316 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:54:41am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Short version....
Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US

I read the story, but I can't figure out what Gregg's point is. Obama's "on the right course," but his policies will "bankrupt America?"

WTF? The statements are mutually contradictory.

317 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:14am

re: #253 Catttt

Yes, I've already noticed that. For all I know, Pam is gymnastically positioning herself one foot far into the far-right extremism while keeping her other foot in the far opposite direction. I don't think she realized what she's doing is self-defeating herself by doing that way.

318 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

We have been deficit budgeting for some time, but the current admin. has taken it to a whole new level, more than all of the deficit budgets going back to the Revolutionary. Combined.

319 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:48am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Short version....
Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US

The explanation given for Gregg's withdrawal is inaccurate. He pulled out as Commerce Secretary when he was told that Commerce would not be in charge of the upcoming census under his stewardship - that his post would be token, completely gutted of real power, with that power being handed off to Rahm Emmanuel. There may have been disagreement over economic policies as well, but this was clearly the real reason for his withdrawal, and rightly so.

320 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:50am

re: #314 Dianna

(I think this budget is a disaster, but your mileage may vary)


You're probably right about that. Pretty much all of the federal budgets during my lifetime have been disasters.

321 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:55am

Mornin' all. After doing battle for 3 hrs with Bill Gates infernal machine I'm back up and running!

322 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #316 Charles

I read the story, but I can't figure out what Gregg's point is. Obama's "on the right track," but his policies will "bankrupt America?"

WTF? The statements are mutually contradictory.

Double think!

323 doppelganglander  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:02am

re: #307 Gella

WASHINGTON – The top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee says the Obama administration is on the right course to save the nation's financial system.

But Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire also says President Barack Obama's massive budget proposal will bankrupt the country.

How can it be both? If it's going to bankrupt the country, how could that possibly be the right course to save the nation's financial system?

324 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:03am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

Short version....
Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US

He's playing both sides. Each side will find what they want in that (rather confusing) statement.

325 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #256 newsjunkie_ky

I bookmarked it. To me it is another page in the long line of pages that have never been shown to the public. Medical records, school records, writings (other than his books which he may or may not have written), or student loan repayments. All of this combined is what troubles me. He is hiding something and had the msm not been so tingling about him we would know who sits in the Oval Office.

We have to be very careful to distinguish between:

a. Facts about Obama which might have hurt him a few percentage points during the election, but which in no way technically disqualified him for the job.

b. "Facts" about about that would actually have legally prevented him from becoming President.

There are plenty of things in category "a." So far, there is absolutely no evidence for anything in category "b." The problem is, so many people are unconsciously conflating the two categories.

The election is OVER. So unless anyone can prove that Obama cannot legally be President, all our whining about the MSM hiding damaging facts about Obama are futile.

Is Obama a communist? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say Communists are ineligible to be President.

Is Obama a former Muslim? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constituion does it say former (or current) Muslims are ineligible to be President.

Is Obama the bastard child of some unnamed father? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say fatherless children are ineligible to be President.

Is Obama a communist? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say Communists are ineligible to be President.

Does Obama have mysterious medical problems? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say people with medical problems are ineligible to be President.

Did Obama get bad grades? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say bad students are ineligible to be President.

Did Obama benefit from affirmative action and not replay his student loans? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say affirmative action loan defaulters are ineligible to be President.

Did Bill Ayers ghostwrite Obama's first book? IRRELEVANT. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say people with ghostwritten books are ineligible to be President.

Now, we may be angry that these and many other issues were either never pursued by or actively suppressed by the media DURING THE ELECTION, but the depressing reality is that they DID ignore and suppress these story ideas, and as a result Obama got elected. Pointing them out now won't get him unelected. Too late. The MSM got away with it.

Yet this fact is so upsetting to some people, that they are casting about in desperation for stuff in category "a," which would disqualify him from being President. But, unfortunately, there's nothing to be found.

Is he over 35 years old? Yup.
Was he born in the United States to an American citizen -- which would automatically make him a natural-born citizen himself? Yup.

That's it. Game over. Those are the only two qualifications required.

Ann Dunham was an American citizen. 100% confirmed. She lived in Hawaii in 1961 and gave birth to a son there. 100% confirmed. And that's all you need to know.

326 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:10am

re: #249 albusteve

bummer...it's a done deal eh?

The petition states:

This petition is a vehicle to express our bitter disappointment at this betrayal of our combat veterans. Congressman John Murtha should apologize for slandering the Marines of 3/1, and for undermining the efforts of those servicemen and women who fought in Iraq. If he does not, the Secretary of the Navy should rescind this award as a sign of his unwavering support for those who served in combat during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

327 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:12am

Revolutionary War. PIMF

328 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:41am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

How long have we been doing that? I'm more than a little suspicious of claims that the end is near. Everybody is so full of shit these days.

You're right to be skeptical of "The sky is falling!" claims, but the numbers - and the deficit - are pretty startling.

329 ErnieG  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:44am

re: #316 Charles

I read the story, but I can't figure out what Gregg's point is. Obama's "on the right track," but his policies will "bankrupt America?"

WTF? The statements are mutually contradictory.

He may be trying to avoid a Rush Limbaugh "I hope he fails" incident.

330 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:45am

re: #254 Piglet-U93

Yes, admonish, correct, disagree but "excommunicating" our friends in the fight against Islam is self-defeating.

Fighting in a burning house?

It sounds like she's your friend. Because she certainly ain't our friend. If you want to stand side by side with her and all the nuttiness, including her condoning of fascists in the ranks, that's your problem.

331 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #309 Dianna

What's "lesbian hentai"? Do I need to look it up in TV Tropes?

I'm going to adopt Don't Ask, Don't Tell on this one.

332 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:57:24am

Oops, mentioned "Communist" there twice accidentally. Ignore that.

333 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:57:30am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

How long have we been doing that? I'm more than a little suspicious of claims that the end is near. Everybody is so full of shit these days.

Gregg was "this close" to becoming a "YES MAN" for Obama and now he's singing a different tune? I would tend to agree with him on the running the economy over a cliff with all this spending, but not because of anything the good Senator has said.

334 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:10am

re: #316 Charles

The impression that I get is that he thinks the Federal Reserve is doing a good job but Obama's proposed budget will doom the country.

335 Gella  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:16am

re: #323 doppelganglander

How can it be both? If it's going to bankrupt the country, how could that possibly be the right course to save the nation's financial system?

he contradicts himself same as Obama, because they screwing us up, but they are afraid to admit about their mistakes

336 brookly red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:18am

re: #313 Timbre

I have a feeling it's not a matter of Obama not stopping the program; it's the military telling him the Predators will keep flying.

/maybe they will need to change the name of the program to something less scary sounding like "operation peak-a-boo..."

337 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:28am

re: #313 Timbre

I have a feeling it's not a matter of Obama not stopping the program; it's the military telling him the Predators will keep flying.

It doesn't work that way.

338 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #317 the_flying_pig

Yes, I've already noticed that. For all I know, Pam is gymnastically positioning herself one foot far into the far-right extremism while keeping her other foot in the far opposite direction. I don't think she realized what she's doing is self-defeating herself by doing that way.

No- Pam is doing whatever she can to get attention for herself. There is obviously a market out there for conspiracy theorists- a certain amount of people out there are always going to eat that garbage up. What she's done in seeking attention for herself with these people is lose all her credibility in the process. And this is just the Nirtherism. We haven't even touched on the rancidness of aligning with fascists.

339 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:58:54am

A browser question:

I delayed switching to FireFox 3 from my current version 2, based on snippets here and there about V3 not being reliable. However, lately I have been crashing pretty regularly with V2. For those of you using V3, would you recommend switching?

340 rawmuse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:59:02am

Greater tax collections will be necessary to Feed the Beast. So the Beast will have to grow in order to Enforce the ever-growing appetite of the State.

341 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #339 pink freud

I love Safari.

342 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #325 zombie

I think the mystery may be that he could have legally (but not intentionally) rescinded his citizenship somehow...just a guess

343 MarineMomSue  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #319 SixDegrees

I also think the census thing is the real reason Gregg withdrew, but he never actually made a statement to that effect, did he?

344 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #325 zombie

Some people require a conspiracy to function. If it's not this, it would have been something else. Either way, rather it be troofers or Nirthers or the current "conspiracy du jour".....they are all wackos and should be ignored.

345 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #316 Charles

I read the story, but I can't figure out what Gregg's point is. Obama's "on the right course," but his policies will "bankrupt America?"

WTF? The statements are mutually contradictory.

I'm thinking there's a long-term versus short-term clause missing in there somewhere. Stimulus and tax breaks are time-honored ways of addressing recession; stimulus that comes at the expense of quadrupling the deficit (and beyond, apparently) that won't be paid out for four or five years is a whole 'nother thing entirely. It's political "stimulus" for one particular party, and is economic suicide.

Probably four-fifths of the stimulus bill could be recalled, and the final result on the economy would be somewhere between the same and better.

346 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #292 gmsc

Thanks, gmsc! Bookmarked.

347 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:18am

re: #274 Charles

Pamela Geller is no "friend" of mine. And if you think we should be accepting of European fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers, you are very clearly at the wrong website.

I will make it clearer. I do not accept fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers and never have and I do not post on her site. That said, she is not Iran or Hamas or a fascist or a racist but maybe part troofer.

May be its just me and few others who happen to think that Islam is the most dangerous threat to civilization ever and all else pales by comparison.

348 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:27am

re: #338 Sharmuta
She's turned into an attention whore! Who in their right mind would align with nirthers and nazis?!

349 ErnieG  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #339 pink freud

A browser question:

I delayed switching to FireFox 3 from my current version 2, based on snippets here and there about V3 not being reliable. However, lately I have been crashing pretty regularly with V2. For those of you using V3, would you recommend switching?

I'm using Firefox/3.0.7 with no problems.

350 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:01:16am

re: #341 Sharmuta

I love Safari.

I do to...it's blazing fast on my 2gig machine....

351 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:01:44am

Later folks, gonna go rake the backyard and play with the puppy!

352 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:01:50am

Anybody else see the "coded" message sent to the zero from bin ladin?
"E7OH-SSV-O77EH"
"0" is asking for help in deciphering it.

353 pink freud  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #341 Sharmuta

I love Safari.

I've heard lots of good about Safari, sharm. I will try it out today. Thanks.

354 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:02:39am

re: #347 Piglet-U93

Freedom has many enemies. You do our Liberties a disservice to not watch out for them all.

355 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #347 Piglet-U93

I will make it clearer. I do not accept fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers and never have and I do not post on her site. That said, she is not Iran or Hamas or a fascist or a racist but maybe part troofer.

May be its just me and few others who happen to think that Islam is the most dangerous threat to civilization ever and all else pales by comparison.

what?....racist fascism is chopped liver?

356 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:02:59am

re: #342 albusteve

I think the mystery may be that he could have legally (but not intentionally) rescinded his citizenship somehow...just a guess

Just because he may have become an Indonesian citizen in 1968 doesn't mean he ceased being an American citizen. Duel citizenship is possible and commonplace.

357 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:04:05am

re: #356 zombie

Just because he may have become an Indonesian citizen in 1968 doesn't mean he ceased being an American citizen. Duel citizenship is possible and commonplace.

And, did he really have much choice in that matter? He was a kid!

358 Dianna  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:04:07am

re: #356 zombie

Just because he may have become an Indonesian citizen in 1968 doesn't mean he ceased being an American citizen. Duel citizenship is possible and commonplace.

Dual citizenship for a boy under 18 is completely irrelevant.

359 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:04:20am

re: #343 MarineMomSue

I also think the census thing is the real reason Gregg withdrew, but he never actually made a statement to that effect, did he?

No; the extent of his withdrawal statement was that he and the Administration had "fundamental disagreements over policy" that could not be overcome.

360 DEZes  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:04:46am

re: #352 VegasRick

Anybody else see the "coded" message sent to the zero from bin ladin?
"E7OH-SSV-O77EH"
"0" is asking for help in deciphering it.


LMAO, thats very clever.

361 gmsc  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #346 pink freud

Thanks, gmsc! Bookmarked.

You're welcome.
:)

362 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:05:48am

When is World Nut Daily picking up this story?

363 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:06:21am

re: #325 zombie

Absolutely right.

However ...
Once he's left office, there will be all the hagiographies written - and all these little unsuitable facts, which right now are still available here and there for people to find, might somehow vanish from the face of the earth. Thats not inknown.
For that reason I think its wise to hang onto all these snippets - they certainly would not have prevented him from running or from being elected - and they may only have cost him half a point here or there, so they certainly would not have changed 'the course of history' - but they may, afterwards, help to shed light on why and how, and perhaps on who all might have helped him ...

364 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #360 DEZes

LMAO, thats very clever.

"Umm, president zero, you're reading the message upside down"

365 albusteve  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:07:12am

re: #356 zombie

Just because he may have become an Indonesian citizen in 1968 doesn't mean he ceased being an American citizen. Duel citizenship is possible and commonplace.

of course...I wish you could have read the post I mentioned...
there was more to it than that and from a highly trusted poster...that's all I remember...the scenario he wrote about seemed highly plausible...

366 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:07:14am

OT: The 'Diannafication' of reality TV bigot Jade Goody begins...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

367 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:07:31am

re: #347 Piglet-U93

I will make it clearer. I do not accept fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers and never have and I do not post on her site. That said, she is not Iran or Hamas or a fascist or a racist but maybe part troofer.

May be its just me and few others who happen to think that Islam is the most dangerous threat to civilization ever and all else pales by comparison.

What the fuck are you talking about. She has aligned herself with fascists, racists, bigots, nazi's and all sorts of people who claim their only mission is to fight Islam.

And you're so fucking special, "May be its just me and few others," sure, you're and your special friends are the only ones that see the real threat. No, there are a lot of people that see the threat, but they will not compromise their beliefs just to jump on an anti-jihad bandwagon. Maybe you will.

If you're going to discuss this issue, know something about the people you are talking about, because right now, you are showing your ignorance.

368 Timbre  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #352 VegasRick

re: #360 DEZes

Had to get up and get a mirror before I figured it out.

369 livefreeor die  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:08:16am

re: #29 MandyManners

Was he born in the Bohemian Grove? The Bilderberger Hotel?

The grassy knoll.

370 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:08:28am

re: #359 SixDegrees

No; the extent of his withdrawal statement was that he and the Administration had "fundamental disagreements over policy" that could not be overcome.

That is what I do not like about Gregg.....those differences existed well before he was nominated. Why would a senior Senator with committee seniority want to make a downward jump to a cabinet position? It was only after Obama announced that Rahm Emanuel and ACORN would be handling the Census did he get all "indignant" all of the sudden. Something about that whole things stinks.

371 DEZes  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:08:29am

re: #364 VegasRick

"Umm, president zero, you're reading the message upside down"

Awe man gave the O the answer.

372 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:08:55am

re: #357 Desert Dog

And, did he really have much choice in that matter? He was a kid!

re: #358 Dianna

Dual citizenship for a boy under 18 is completely irrelevant.

I agree. Unless someone, as an adult, explicitly and legally abandons American citizenship, that person remains a citizen. Very few people have ever done this -- generally spies who defected to Russia or Cuba or wherever, and a few draft dodgers who fled to Canada. And Obama most definitely never did it. He traveled overseas in his 20s, and thus had been issued an American passport. So he was still a citizen then, and ever since as well.

373 callahan23  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #352 VegasRick

Anybody else see the "coded" message sent to the zero from bin ladin?
"E7OH-SSV-O77EH"
"0" is asking for help in deciphering it.


ROTFLMAO

374 gmsc  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:12:20am

re: #364 VegasRick

"Umm, president zero, you're reading the message upside down"

Nah, if it was upside down, the message would look like:

¡ǝloɥssɐ 'ollǝɥ

375 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:12:28am

re: #366 Jimmah

OT: The 'Diannafication' of reality TV bigot Jade Goody begins...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Oh FFS!
Yes, its tragic - but wtf is Gord thinking - why, he can't even go and greet the coffins of the bodies of our fallen soldiers returning from A'Stan.

I loathe this false sadness and assumed grief - tehre are more worthy objects, sorry.

Gawd, i feel truly sick now.

376 Kobe  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:13:02am

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

377 KSK  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:13:06am

Oh I see. The CIA just borrowed the Time Machine, went back to 1961, forged the original paper so that all microfiches would later copy that forgery.

Atlas does not shrug, he's kinda embarrassed

378 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:13:16am

re: #369 livefreeor die

The grassy knoll.

Under it, surely?

379 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:13:32am

re: #347 Piglet-U93

May be its just me and few others who happen to think that Islam is the most dangerous threat to civilization ever and all else pales by comparison.

Then you'll understand the importance of rejecting embarrassing idiots like Geller, who threaten to bring the notion of opposing Islamism into disrepute with their absolute stupidity. But of course you won't understand that at all.

380 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:13:47am

re: #372 zombie

I agree. Unless someone, as an adult, explicitly and legally abandons American citizenship, that person remains a citizen. Very few people have ever done this -- generally spies who defected to Russia or Cuba or wherever, and a few draft dodgers who fled to Canada. And Obama most definitely never did it. He traveled overseas in his 20s, and thus had been issued an American passport. So he was still a citizen then, and ever since as well.

Or Bobby Fisher.

381 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:14:08am

re: #347 Piglet-U93

I will make it clearer. I do not accept fascists, racists, and 9/11 Troofers and never have and I do not post on her site. That said, she is not Iran or Hamas or a fascist or a racist but maybe part troofer.

May be its just me and few others who happen to think that Islam is the most dangerous threat to civilization ever and all else pales by comparison.

Here's what I suggest you do. Go to her website and denounce her condoning of political canoodling with facists in the fight against Islam. We don't need them or want them. The ideology makes my skin crawl. The fact that you think it's ok makes my skin crawl too.

382 jaunte  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:14:11am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

He has no need to.

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:14:11am

re: #118 the_flying_pig

I don't get all the fuss between Charles and Pam.

First of all, both Charles and Pam have history of voicing strong concerns and opposition to Islamic supremacy in America and the world, support for Israel and individual liberties, and slam moonbat liberals, Code Pinkers and the blame-America crowd.

Essentially, they are both pro-Israel. Right? Pam is an American Jew, right? Charles support the Jews and their right to a national homeland, right?

And yet, Charles draw the line on the 9/11 trooferism and Obama birth certificate fuss. Charles called her "cuckoo insane" on those positions, in spite of the fact both of them stand strongly against Islamic supremacy, hatred against Jews and Americans, Israel and the United States.

Why backstab and slander your likewise ally in the face of the greatest threat to America and freedom? Is that how you wanted America's enemies to divide and conquer us because of Charles' and Pam's differences on the blogosphere? I'm still puzzled by all of this infighting among likewise allies (specifically on the position against Islamic supremacy and Jew-hatred, etc).

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Have a great day all!

384 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:14:51am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

Did you stamp your foot when you posted that?

385 Kobe  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:15:36am

I forgot:

Lets see the paperwork on the Passport.

386 debutaunt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:16:12am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

How long have we been doing that? I'm more than a little suspicious of claims that the end is near. Everybody is so full of shit these days.

At the very least, inflation will make our money worth less.

387 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:16:36am

re: #370 Desert Dog

That is what I do not like about Gregg.....those differences existed well before he was nominated. Why would a senior Senator with committee seniority want to make a downward jump to a cabinet position? It was only after Obama announced that Rahm Emanuel and ACORN would be handling the Census did he get all "indignant" all of the sudden. Something about that whole things stinks.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me. It is vague and non-condemning - to be expected, given that Gregg will face the reality of working with the Administration as he continues on in the Senate. And if I were a Senator, a move to a Cabinet position, regardless of party, would be a step up in power - assuming the position hadn't been emasculated, as this one was. Given Cabinet positions that still held real power, staffing them with Republicans would be a boost for the GOP, not a detriment.

Take all the real power away, though, and you make those holding such positions mere tokens.

There's a long history of reaching across the aisle to fill Cabinet posts. Frankly, I was heartened to hear of it's return - until I heard that the position would be gutted in favor of rank partisanship. I would very much like to see a return to the more genteel conduct evidenced, for example, under Reagan, where he and Tip O'Neill would get together for drinks at the end of the day, putting aside their party differences once the clock hit five. The ongoing partisan rancor now so prevalent in Washington is corrosive and detrimental. Sadly, it shows no sign of abating anytime soon.

388 DEZes  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:16:52am

re: #385 Kobe

I forgot:

Lets see the paperwork on the Passport.


Pam, is that you?

389 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:04am

re: #385 Kobe

Why?

390 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:08am

re: #385 Kobe

I forgot:

Lets see the paperwork on the Passport.

How about the negatives for his passport photo? And the receipt for that hat he was wearing in the photograph of him smoking pot? Anything else? /

391 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:27am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

His B.C. has been seen. I would like to see his college transcripts and his medical records just out of idle curiosity. I wonder why he refuses to release those. Even John F-ing Kerry did that, yes? And we found out, to our amazement, that GWB got better grades than J F-ing K...that was priceless.

392 zombie  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:45am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

Why should he? I'm flipping through the Constitution here, and it doesn't seem to mention anything about these topics.

If it drives his opponents around the bend, he very likely will never release them, since he is not required to.

It's only recently in American history that we expect total disclosure of every microscopic detail of a President's life. Think about FDR, JFK, LBJ, etc.: They all had damaging secrets of various kinds were were never "released" or mentioned until long after the fact.

393 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:48am

Here come the remaining Nirthers.

394 Steffan  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:58am

re: #27 zombie

That just proves that this is the work of the Illuminati.

/fnord

Seriously, this has become as much of a religion as 9/11 trooferism, global warmenism, and intelligent designism. It might eventually take a Spanish-Inquisition-style auto da fe to deal with it for once and all.

395 the_flying_pig  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:17:59am

re: #338 Sharmuta

No- Pam is doing whatever she can to get attention for herself. There is obviously a market out there for conspiracy theorists- a certain amount of people out there are always going to eat that garbage up. What she's done in seeking attention for herself with these people is lose all her credibility in the process. And this is just the Nirtherism. We haven't even touched on the rancidness of aligning with fascists.

That is what the whole blogosphere is about: bloggers always try to find ways to draw attention on whatever they preach about, drawing a certain audience into them, hoping to gain supporters or attracting critics. There are always markets for these kind of things. People will believe anything they set their minds to it, credibility, fact or accuracy be damned. We all founded out what kind of readers the Daily Kos usually attracted in the last three major elections, did we? I never did believed all the BS from the 9/11 troofers before I joined LGF and still do not believe them now (they still ignored glaring evidences of damaged airline parts and wheels founded at the Ground Zero).

396 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:18:22am

re: #375 yma o hyd

Yep - I can't stomach this sort of inappropriate sentimentality either. It was bad enough with Diana.Not sure if it's a general phenomena these days, or just here in the UK.

397 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:18:24am

re: #385 Kobe

I forgot:

Lets see the paperwork on the Passport.

Explain please.

398 VegasRick  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:18:58am

re: #393 Charles

Here come the remaining Nirthers.

The Nirthers are coming, the Nirhers are coming!

Lock your doors!

399 livefreeor die  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:18:59am

re: #173 Wyatt Earp

I don't believe so. The shooter just wanted to take out police officers.

I was so sad this morning when I woke up and heard that three of the four police officers had died. All because that scumbag with a criminal history a mile long was paroled. I'm glad the state at least won't have to waste any more resources putting him on trial and paying for his gazillion death row appeals.

400 jaunte  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:19:49am

What would Machiavelli and Sun Tzu say about allowing the enemy to distract himself with pointless speculation?

401 lifeofthemind  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:20:02am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

Because he enjoys pissing you off, seriously.
(Will not hang around this or an ID thread, sorry will go smell flowers or something)

402 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:22:22am

re: #355 albusteve

what?....racist fascism is chopped liver?

No, racism, fascism, socialism, communism can eventually be defeated even if they were to take over the world. But if Islam were to take over the world IMHO there is no further hope to be had. The darkness will last long enough for the next Extinction Level Event to arrive.

And, no, I will not and do not align myself with the above isms. Finally, the chance that Pamela can right herself is far, far greater then the Iran, Taliban or Nazis.

403 Kobe  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:22:54am

Why should he get a pass ......

Like he was telling the truth that he didn't know about the bonus's.

The Guy is a pathogical liar ... that's why. An Affirmative Action Fraud that hoodwinked a Nation.

Is he Anerican ? ..... perhaps by birth but not in spirit.

404 Timbre  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:23:22am

re: #394 Steffan

That just proves that this is the work of the Illuminati.

/fnord

Seriously, this has become as much of a religion as 9/11 trooferism, global warmenism, and intelligent designism. It might eventually take a Spanish-Inquisition-style auto da fe to deal with it for once and all.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

405 Gus  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:24:13am

Yet another truther source!

This thing is two clicks away from Jeff Rense, and Nutritional Supplements "that will help you live longer!"

//It's a conspiracy man.

//

406 UberInfidel67  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #221 zombie

I find it interesting. Also, note he goes by the last name of Soetoro. Did Lolo officially adopt him? Even if no one in America cares, someone somewhere will consider him an apostate. Count on it.

407 Kobe  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:25:16am

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.

408 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:26:49am

re: #395 the_flying_pig

I'm not really sure what your point is. This site has credibility. pamela doesn't. Charles doesn't post bullshit to get attention. In fact- in the long term, it's having credible stories that will increase blog traffic, not blowing your credibility with repeated and increasing levels of utter insanity.

409 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:26:56am

To coin a phrase: "The enemies of reality make poor friends."

410 yma o hyd  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #396 Jimmah

Yep - I can't stomach this sort of inappropriate sentimentality either. It was bad enough with Diana.Not sure if it's a general phenomena these days, or just here in the UK.

Dunno - when they wrote that the theatres on Broadway were dimming their lights, showing respect to Natasha Richardson, the actress who died after her skiing accident, I thought that was another sign that we're getting into this Victorian celebration of 'grief'.
That is not about grieving as such - but about shwing that one ahse the proper 'feeeelings'.
We can see that in the proliferation of two- and three-minute silences for whatever the last victims of the latest outrage were.
Its frankly disrespectful to all those who died in WWI and WWII, whom we remember on Nov 11 in those two minutes of silence.

Aww - don't get me started, I could rant about this 24/7!

411 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:27:28am

re: #407 Kobe

Hospitals don't keep birth certificates.

412 Desert Dog  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:27:51am

re: #387 SixDegrees

This seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me. It is vague and non-condemning - to be expected, given that Gregg will face the reality of working with the Administration as he continues on in the Senate. And if I were a Senator, a move to a Cabinet position, regardless of party, would be a step up in power - assuming the position hadn't been emasculated, as this one was. Given Cabinet positions that still held real power, staffing them with Republicans would be a boost for the GOP, not a detriment.

Take all the real power away, though, and you make those holding such positions mere tokens.

There's a long history of reaching across the aisle to fill Cabinet posts. Frankly, I was heartened to hear of it's return - until I heard that the position would be gutted in favor of rank partisanship. I would very much like to see a return to the more genteel conduct evidenced, for example, under Reagan, where he and Tip O'Neill would get together for drinks at the end of the day, putting aside their party differences once the clock hit five. The ongoing partisan rancor now so prevalent in Washington is corrosive and detrimental. Sadly, it shows no sign of abating anytime soon.

He was going to be the token Republican that Obama could role out to show how "Bipartisan" his administration is. I disagree with you about that cabinet job being a promotion. It's a lateral move at best. Something he can put on his resume. He wields more power and influence as a Senator. The only real job the Sec. of Commerce has is the Census. I do not know enough about Sen. Gregg to pass judgment. I guess he thought he would have an actual influence on the Census and that is why he initially agreed to take that job? You may be right there.

I wish both sides showed actual signs of bipartisanship too. The Dems actually had it good with Bush. For as many things he "rammed down their throats", he offered actual cooperation in many areas to the Democrats. Way more than our current President is offering the Republicans. "He won", you know.

413 jaunte  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:28:44am

re: #407 Kobe

1. At this point, no one has to release any more information
2. It's a distraction, and helps the wrong people to persist in it.

414 swamprat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:29:57am

re: #407 Kobe

Maybe mama wasn't married. Some places used to color the certificates differently or otherwise indicate that situation. So maybe it is none of our business.

415 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:31:15am

re: #407 Kobe

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.

What the fuck do you want? It stamped on his forehead?

416 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #411 Sharmuta

Hospitals don't keep birth certificates.

Unless things were different back then, they don't issue them either.

417 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #379 Jimmah

Then you'll understand the importance of rejecting embarrassing idiots like Geller, who threaten to bring the notion of opposing Islamism into disrepute with their absolute stupidity. But of course you won't understand that at all.

Presumptuous?

Admonish, correct, point out flaws, inaccuracies, yes, reject and isloate no.
People do comment on Geller's site and say "please remove this post, its totally wrong.." and posts do get removed. So, perhaps there is hope for her. Much more hope than trying to talk with certain other parties.

418 Gus  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:37:59am

Here's another example of Jon Carlson's lunacy:

Think the Virginia Tech shootings were done by a student on drugs? We toured the grounds at Port Arthur, Tasmania before the Massacre of 35 people killed and 22 more wounded. Apparently an army sharpshooter was involved with blame put on a patsy. That was the first year of Howard's destruction of Australia similar to what the Bush I/Bush II/Cheney Misadministration has done to America.

419 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:38:15am

re: #417 Piglet-U93

Presumptuous?

Admonish, correct, point out flaws, inaccuracies, yes, reject and isloate no.
People do comment on Geller's site and say "please remove this post, its totally wrong.." and posts do get removed. So, perhaps there is hope for her. Much more hope than trying to talk with certain other parties.

You is stuck on stupid.

420 Macker  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:38:59am

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Er, I think he was Captain Apollo on the original BSG series, for a LONG time.

The guy who won the first Survivor, Richard Hatch (aka the Fat Naked Fellow), is currently serving time in prison for Tax Evasion, as a direct result of winning. He is not the same guy who played Apollo on TOS, and that son of a bitch Tom Zarek on the modern series.

421 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:39:26am

re: #412 Desert Dog

He was going to be the token Republican that Obama could role out to show how "Bipartisan" his administration is.

Yes, that's my point; without power to oversee the census, the position became utterly meaningless and no more than a token appointment. Hence Gregg's withdrawal - and rightly.

Had the position actually retained it's traditional scope, it could have been otherwise, and would have been a truly bipartisan gesture. It also would have signaled that the views of the opposition were, if not embraced, at least welcomed.

With the emasculation of the position, none of that was possible, and accepting it would have been meaningless.

422 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #417 Piglet-U93

Presumptuous?

Admonish, correct, point out flaws, inaccuracies, yes, reject and isloate no.
People do comment on Geller's site and say "please remove this post, its totally wrong.." and posts do get removed. So, perhaps there is hope for her. Much more hope than trying to talk with certain other parties.

Right- which is why she didn't remove the article that originated with a nazi.

She has repeatedly spit on a good man, called for him to be publicly flogged- then when she got outraged when there was a call for Mr Wilders to be flogged, she was rightfully called a hypocrite. So what did she do? She removed the post being outraged by the call for Wilders to be flogged. She's not a very good ally to Mr Wilders, imo, if she could so easily delete a post where her outrage was warranted just so she could leave her post up about Charles. This woman is not the counter-jihadi you think she is.

423 Dustyvet  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #399 livefreeor die

I was so sad this morning when I woke up and heard that three of the four police officers had died. All because that scumbag with a criminal history a mile long was paroled. I'm glad the state at least won't have to waste any more resources putting him on trial and paying for his gazillion death row appeals.

Sergeant Daniel Sakai
Oakland Police Department, CA
End of Watch: Saturday, March 21, 2009

Sergeant Mark Dunakin
Oakland Police Department, CA
End of Watch: Saturday, March 21, 2009

Sergeant Ervin Romans
Oakland Police Department, CA
End of Watch: Saturday, March 21, 2009


The Police Officer's Prayer
to St. Michael

Police Officer's Prayer to St. Michael

Saint Michael, heaven's glorious commissioner of police,
who once so neatly and successfully cleared God's premises
of all its undesirables, look with kindly and professional
eyes on your earthly force.

Give us cool heads, stout hearts, and uncanny flair for
investigation and wise judgement.

Make us the terror of burglars, the friend of children and
law-abiding citizens, kind to strangers, polite to bores,
strict with law-breakers and impervious to temptations.

You know, Saint Michael, from your own experiences
with the devil that the police officer's lot on earth is not
always a happy one; but your sense of duty that so
pleased God, your hard knocks that so surprised the
devil, and your angelic self-control give us inspiration.

And when we lay down our night sticks, enroll us in your
heavenly force, where we will be as proud to guard the
throne of God as we have been to guard the city of all
the people. Amen.

424 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:41:09am

re: #417 Piglet-U93#379 Jimmah

Then you'll understand the importance of rejecting embarrassing idiots like Geller, who threaten to bring the notion of opposing Islamism into disrepute with their absolute stupidity. But of course you won't understand that at all.

Presumptuous?

Umm....just taking a wild stab in the dark. Let's see if my crazy hunch was correct:

Admonish, correct, point out flaws, inaccuracies, yes, reject and isloate no.

Yep, I was right - you still don't get it.

425 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:41:30am

re: #416 rightymouse

Unless things were different back then, they don't issue them either.

Also, no authority releases "original" documents. They all issue certified copies, at best.

Let's see Kobe produce his "original" birth certificate.

And if he does, I claim it's a forgery. Without offering any proof to back myself up.

426 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #424 Jimmah

Not just her stupidity, but her bigoted friends too.

427 MarineMomSue  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:41:54am

re: #387 SixDegrees

...And if I were a Senator, a move to a Cabinet position, regardless of party, would be a step up in power - assuming the position hadn't been emasculated, as this one was. Given Cabinet positions that still held real power, staffing them with Republicans would be a boost for the GOP, not a detriment.

Take all the real power away, though, and you make those holding such positions mere tokens...

Not to mention the added bonus to the 0 administration of getting rid of another republican in the senate.

428 swamprat  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:42:48am

re: #419 rightymouse

You is stuck on stupid.


It wasn't that long ago that she was a valued friend. There is always hope. People wander away from reason, sometimes they wander back.

429 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:42:54am

re: #424 Jimmah

Same post, better formatting:

re: #417 Piglet-U93

#379 Jimmah

Then you'll understand the importance of rejecting embarrassing idiots like Geller, who threaten to bring the notion of opposing Islamism into disrepute with their absolute stupidity. But of course you won't understand that at all.

Presumptuous?

Umm....just taking a wild stab in the dark. Let's see if my crazy hunch was correct:

Admonish, correct, point out flaws, inaccuracies, yes, reject and isloate no.

Yep, I was right - you still don't get it.

430 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:45:01am

re: #376 Kobe

Why doesn't Bambi just release:

Birth Certificate
Medical Records
Columbia Records
Harvard Records
Draft Registration
Law Firm Records

See the "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" thing in the Justice Code. Or produce some, you know, proof of your claims. Not spittle.

431 Erik The Red  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:45:18am

re: #428 swamprat

It wasn't that long ago that she was a valued friend. There is always hope. People wander away from reason, sometimes they wander back.

Gone to far on the dark side. No way back and she as pissed off her mates.

432 Bloodnok  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #428 swamprat

It wasn't that long ago that she was a valued friend. There is always hope. People wander away from reason, sometimes they wander back.

Unlikely. She still has "2nd Place" to shoot for.

433 Piglet-U93  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:47:35am

re: #424 Jimmah

#379 Jimmah

Then you'll understand the importance of rejecting embarrassing idiots like Geller, who threaten to bring the notion of opposing Islamism into disrepute with their absolute stupidity. But of course you won't understand that at all.

Yep, I was right - you still don't get it.

Well engaging Geller is a bit more viable then Obama engaging Iran. Alas, I am beginning to think I know alot less about Geller then LGF does which does not surprise me.

434 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:48:04am

re: #428 swamprat

It wasn't that long ago that she was a valued friend. There is always hope. People wander away from reason, sometimes they wander back.

She called for Charles to be publicly flogged! Sorry, but I have walked away from friendships in the past, and will continue to do so in the future, when my "friend" shows that they are no such thing. And I will not look back.

435 Bubblehead II  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #428 swamprat

That will happen about the time they start serving ice water in hell.
/////

436 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:48:38am

re: #428 swamprat

It wasn't that long ago that she was a valued friend. There is always hope. People wander away from reason, sometimes they wander back.

She was never my friend. That said, if she gets a grip on sanity and reason, I'm sure I'd be one of the first to cautiously cheer her on.

437 MJBrutus  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:50:44am

Honestly Charles, I don't know why you give her the publicity by posting about her.

438 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:52:03am

re: #403 Kobe

His nirth certificate was forged and he's not a real Anerican. You can't make this stuff up...

439 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #436 rightymouse

She was never my friend. That said, if she gets a grip on sanity and reason, I'm sure I'd be one of the first to cautiously cheer her on.

Even if she did, I wouldn't trust her as a source and I still wouldn't think of her as a friend- not after yanking the thread where she was outraged by the call to flog Wilders so she could keep the one about Charles.

She certainly didn't show herself to be a friend to Mr Wilders that day. Her hatred of Charles trumped her support for Geert. That's not the kind of person I would ever welcome to my side. You never know when a person like that would flip again and this time it's you.

440 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:52:34am

re: #437 MJBrutus

Honestly Charles, I don't know why you give her the publicity by posting about her.

Because it's important to make it clear and go on record that I am not associated with this person or her insanity. She's being given a pass by almost every other center-right blogger, and it's disgusting.

441 jaunte  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:53:39am

re: #438 MrPaulRevere

True Anericans are always focused on the things that make a diferense.

442 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:58:45am

re: #439 Sharmuta

Even if she did, I wouldn't trust her as a source and I still wouldn't think of her as a friend- not after yanking the thread where she was outraged by the call to flog Wilders so she could keep the one about Charles.

She certainly didn't show herself to be a friend to Mr Wilders that day. Her hatred of Charles trumped her support for Geert. That's not the kind of person I would ever welcome to my side. You never know when a person like that would flip again and this time it's you.

Honey, she's so off the deep end that I figure I was safe offering any kind of charitable comment. lol!

443 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:59:07am

re: #442 rightymouse

LOL! True

444 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 11:59:32am

re: #433 Piglet-U93

Well engaging Geller is a bit more viable then Obama engaging Iran. Alas, I am beginning to think I know alot less about Geller then LGF does which does not surprise me.

Read that page she linked to again and consider the fact that Geller read it without any bullshit, racism or general lunacy alarms going off in her head. What is wrong with this person? Answer - LOTS.

445 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:02:50pm

re: #442 rightymouse

BTW- That wasn't directed at you so much as others. She tossed an ally, a man she's promoting as a viable voice against islamization in europe, under the bus so she could carry on with her vendetta against Charles. That should speak volumes to anyone who thinks she's a serious counter-jihadi.

446 NY Nana  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

She must be off her meds again and/or drinking too much.

447 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:05:14pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

LOL! True

Heh. :)

448 Catttt  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #407 Kobe

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.

The hospital would not do that. They send the info off to the applicable local or state registrar. The data is stored, and short- or long-form certifed copies are issued when requested. They are more or less standardized, to make it easier for the Census Bureau to keep track. Short-form certified copies are perfectly legal, and that was already released. It had the pertinent info on it, and it was sufficient to show that President O was born in Hawaii.

449 rightymouse  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:13:46pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

BTW- That wasn't directed at you so much as others. She tossed an ally, a man she's promoting as a viable voice against islamization in europe, under the bus so she could carry on with her vendetta against Charles. That should speak volumes to anyone who thinks she's a serious counter-jihadi.

Not to worry. I knew what you meant. :)

Her vendettas have always shown an agile ability to subvert ideological principle and her own character.

450 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #407 Kobe

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.

The hospital is not allowed to do that. It all depends on the good graces of Pres OBama.

451 oh_dude  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:24:35pm

These aren't the birth certificates you're looking for.... move along.

452 Athos  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:26:14pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

BTW- That wasn't directed at you so much as others. She tossed an ally, a man she's promoting as a viable voice against islamization in europe, under the bus so she could carry on with her vendetta against Charles. That should speak volumes to anyone who thinks she's a serious counter-jihadi.

While I still think that she is so motivated by her fear that she is willing to cut any deal with any devil in order to fight her war, let's not forget that everything Pam does is all about her. That's the central focus.

As Charles said, the fact that more center and right bloggers are giving Pam a pass with her absurd claims and acceptance of sources / allies that taint our entire effort, is beyond pathetic. Unless we want to get dragged into that same cesspool of neo-nazis, racists, and pinheads, we have to continue to expose Pam's lunacy and keep our own morals intact.

453 Lynn B.  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #285 yma o hyd

It might hurt - the adressees of that petition might say its worthless because tehre are non-US citizens voting on it.
Better be careful - I know how these bastards think!

Trust me. No one cares. No one will pay the least bit of attention to this petition other than the people who are signing it.

You know, anyone can put up a petition for anything at PetitionOnline. And as long as you clear your cache in between you can usually sign them with as many phony names and email addresses as you want. Dozens. Hundreds. Not that I'm suggesting that anyone has done that on this one, of course. But no one takes them seriously, and for good reason.

454 hazzyday  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:34:07pm

Pamela Geller works on her emotional gut only. Which is to say anger makes her wrong. She ended up sending out accusations that LGF was destroying the anti-jihad movement by not supporting a conference in Europe that has some unsavory dining partners. She should have just kept her mouth shut and accepted the disagreement. But she revealed herself in her subsequent vitriol and lack of balance. A sensible person would be uncomfortable being close to her.

455 michael.098762001  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:35:39pm

Is Geller the loon who said Malcolm X was Barack's Dad?
Another idiot who used Hal Turner, the Neo-Nazi, as a legit. source was leftist journalist/blogger Dave Lindorff, a Counterpunch regular contributor. For a Daily Kos diary a couple of yrs. ago about imminent Martial Law. Claimed turner as the sole source for a "Secret Pentagon document, " overruling the Posse Comitatus Act.

456 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:36:22pm

re: #455 michael.098762001

Is Geller the loon who said Malcolm X was Barack's Dad?

Yes

457 michael.098762001  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:39:25pm

re: #185 gunslingah

Heh, that patrice lumumba university in moscow that was the training fora for all those marxist guerillas in africa during the 70's strikes again?!

458 dave aaa  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #407 Kobe

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.


When Obama released his short form copy, the Nirthers almost immediately began to claim that it simultaneously proved nothing and was a forgery.

If he releases the vault copy, We'll hear much the same things. many of the people pushing this are Truthers. You cannot reason with these people once they get a conspiracy in their heads.

The real question isn't why doesn't he release that form, but why should he?

He's already proven his Natural Born Citizenship to the satisfaction of fifty state Secretaries of State and the vast majority of the American people - well more than the fifty-three percent who voted for him. As I noted, he can't satisfy the hardcore Nirthers, and satisfying the idle curiosity of people who post comments on conservative blogs is simply not enough.

459 Render  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:52:08pm

So this is their "counter-jihad?"

Why am I so less then impressed?

All that time and creative energy wasted on fools gold, fools errands, and not one real terrorist or jihadist mentioned. Not one word about the war, which by the way is currently at a crucial historical turning point.

The CIA? They're very busy right now, way too busy to waste huge amounts of time, large numbers of field agents they don't have, and a huge amount of their limited black budget on a massive and massively risky operation inside and all across the only nation the CIA is forbidden by law to operate within. Sheer lunacy, diagnosable.

Next step, Fail Blog, pushing hard for epic status.

"Breaking news?" No Pammy, yer just broken.

===

The Internet needs drivers licenses and sanity tests.

POST
HASTE,
R

460 katemaclaren  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:52:41pm

re: #2 doppelganglander

I notice you used tinyurl for the links to those nutbar sites. Does that prevent tracking back to this site?

How can you tell this? I clicked on the link and looked at the URL, but can't see a thing that would let me know this? I'm curious about it. And, I guess Charles must have to add it somehow to the link so that the link works. I wish I knew what I was talking about!

461 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:56:26pm

Kobe- are you posting comments on pamela's site as "kobi"?

462 katemaclaren  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 12:58:35pm

Zombie, if you are still here, tell me whether that disgusting street fair is still being held this year. I mentioned it to a friend and he couldn't believe it. I could NOT remember the name of the event. He says he wants to ask Nancy Pelosi about it when she speaks at some upcoming event he is going to attend.

463 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:09:37pm

re: #461 Sharmuta

Kobe- are you posting comments on pamela's site as "kobi"?

Looks like it.

464 VioletTiger  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:10:46pm

re: #23 yesandno

The actual truth of what is Obama is bizarre enough.

We need to concentrate on what his is dong more then what he may or may not have been.

While they are concentrating on the extreme, the rug is being pulled out from under us.

Ah, the heart of the matter right there. Truth is stranger than troof. And far worse.

465 Lee Coller  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:11:46pm

It amazes me that every time Charles posts one of these Nirth Certifikit threads one more two more nirthers come out of the woodwork and ask the same tired old questions that have been asked numerous times before on previous nirther threads. In this case we have "pat" above, who has posted 17,870 comments and 1,538 links on LGF, Do mean to tell me that he/she/it hasn't seen the previous twenty or so threads on this subject that have answered those "why doesn't he" questions over and over?

Then we have Kobe, registered since August 3rd of 2007 yet has only posted 12 comments (four of them on this thread) raising the same questions. Has he/she/it really simply been ignoring LGF all this time and decided to stop in for an annual visit? At the time of writing this kobe has a negative count of -31 on this thread alone, yet an overall karma of -20, which means that prior to this thread with 8 comments had a karma of 11, a pretty good ration. My bet, someone's sock puppet.

So Nirthers, did you really miss all those old threads and are asking the same tired old questions, or are you simply being childish trolls, trying to show people how "smart" you are?

466 Alcove-One  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:18:56pm

I hate it when Mommy and Daddy Pamela and Charles fight.

467 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #466 Alcove-One

I hate it when people seem to think this is "fighting". This is exposing a lunatic.

468 leereyno  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:27:44pm

Lunatics with blogs expose themselves.

469 Irish Rose  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 1:30:08pm

re: #115 Fat Jolly Penguin

I see what's going on now. She's an attention whore.

Give the man a prize!
Pamela seems very obsessed with her cleavage, and the displaying of... makes me wonder if she hasn't invested in a boob job or something. She doesn't like it when others point it out, though.

470 SixDegrees  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:02:53pm

re: #264 Charles

I'm deleting your comment even though it's obviously a joke, for the reason others have mentioned.

No offense taken. Apparently, this is a deeper, more troubled kind of crazy than I was aware.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 2:19:10pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

She's NOT my friend! She would have nazis in my foxhole with me. No fucking thanks.

Up-DING.

472 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 3:00:54pm

re: #403 Kobe

Is he Anerican ?

Maybe DEZes was right.

473 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 4:03:48pm

re: #46 Charles

Not that it needs to be said, but there is absolutely no difference between the typefaces used in the Obama announcements and the others on that page.

They used the IBM Selectric© for all the announcements? ;)

///// yes, I really had to.

474 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 4:07:53pm

re: #407 Kobe

Charles ... I am not a troofer ..... but would it be too much for the Hospital to release the original Birth Certificate if only to stop the nonsense. What is wrong with that.

The hospital is not legally authorized to release the record. The State of Hawaii and Barack Obama are the only two entities legally empowered to end this trumped-up "controversy", and Hawaii has already done so when the short form was released.

475 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 4:16:33pm

re: #376 Kobe

re: #385 Kobe

re: #407 Kobe

You say you ain't a troofer, but you sure spew all the discredited drivel and troofer talking points that you sure come across as one.

476 Adrenalyn  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 6:33:35pm

re: #57 zombie

On the other hand, I have all this stuff littering my hard drive from the election that I never uploaded due to time constraints. For example, I'll upload this now and ask all of your opinions:

Obama school registration from Indonesia.

It says he is a Muslim, and an Indonesian citizen.

Now, I realize that the MSM tried to explain away this document -- to me, unconvincingly -- but I was never quite sure how well-distributed it was. Did the average American get to see this document, but accept the lame explanation for it? (I.e. that the religion and the citizenship applied to his father-in-law, not him, which I simply laugh at.) Or was it simply successfully suppressed?

Is it worth making a zomblog posting out of, way after the fact, or is it a dead issue?

in my opinion, it is relevant
and could/should be posted

but unless John McCain brings it up (and claims the Presidency)
nothing will happen

and then we'd really be the laughing stock of the world
no better than a third world shit hole

then again, we're bankrupt
and 0bama is laughing

/sigh

477 scrubjay  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 8:10:19pm

I don't see why Geller would get all worked up about a classified ad announcing Obama's birth. If the CIA had planted it they surely would have included that he was born in Hawaii. The announcement only tell you as much as you would know from looking at Obama's bare chested photos showing that he has a navel and therefore that he was born. Would the CIA be so stupid as to fail to include that critical assertion if they were going to bother to plant it?

478 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 9:21:35pm

re: #477 scrubjay

I have to wonder- why would the CIA go to all this trouble to plant forged newspaper ads instead of planting a forged birth certificate?

There's no logic in Kooksville.

479 JCW  Sun, Mar 22, 2009 10:41:53pm

Since Pamela Geller has misappropriated her blog's name, perhaps she should be referred to as Faux Shrugged in order to be clearer.

480 the_flying_pig  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 9:01:41am

For the record, I stand corrected. Pamela Geller should apologize outright to Charles Johnson for the public flogging suggestion, also she needs to be careful siding with those who might find her as an useful idiot.
I did some re-thinking last night and realized I have come to a wrong conclusion about hers and Charles'. Credibility and accuracy of the facts do matter in these cases, also siding with fascists against Islamic supremacism is a bad idea (a reminder about the scorpion and the frog brought up in my mind). Charles' blog outweighed that of Pam's blog on these issues. Looking at her blog and the higher frequency of blog-posting, I have to ask: does she has OCD?
Sorry if I had upset Charles' applecart or question him. I shall be silenced from then on. Logging out for good and going into the wilderness. Keep up the good fight for freedom of speech, stop political and Islamic/religious supremacists, don't give them any inch please.

481 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #480 the_flying_pig

Thanks for that, I appreciate it. You don't have to stop posting here, by the way. We need people who are willing to re-examine their assumptions like you.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Geller to apologize, though.

482 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 23, 2009 8:48:06pm
483 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 9:16:58am

You are not welcome to post comments at LGF.

484 dwdw49  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 12:39:45pm

at the risk of being excommunicated......
an official at Hawaii's public records says there is a valid birth certificate
but why can't we see it?
Obama says there is a valid birth certificate
but why can't we see it?
Bill Clinton says there is a valid birth certificate
but why can't we see it?
the Queen of England says there is a valid birth certificate
but why can't we see it?
Mahatmas Ghandi says there is a valid birth certificate
but why can't we see it?

the point here is not disputing evidence that has been publicly and carefully explained, like a Troofer, but rather being able to examine evidence that has never been produced.

granted there is a "certificate of live birth". i have no comment on its authenticity, but do know there is a great deal of debate about it. that being said, why can't we see the actual birth certificate?

Charles, for someone who so brilliantly uncovered the chicanery over at CBS, how hard is it to call for a president to show his birth certificate, and put this whole controversy to rest?

or are there no CBS style conspiracies in politics?

Let us see just how smart the framers were, make the birth certificate public. it just too easy not to.

485 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 1:19:31pm

re: #484 dwdw49

The only one you're making look like a fool is yourself -- I'm on record wanting nothing to do with this harebrained nonsense.

You might want to ask yourself why, if I'm supposed to be so "brilliant" for uncovering the CBS memos, you don't want to listen when I tell you this nirther garbage is stupid beyond belief.

486 dwdw49  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 2:25:39pm

to quote a brilliant administrator:

"We need people who are willing to re-examine their assumptions"

487 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 2:29:48pm

re: #486 dwdw49

to quote a brilliant administrator:

"We need people who are willing to re-examine their assumptions"

"Re-examining assumptions" does not mean "stupidly believing in mindless conspiracy theories despite mountains of evidence that they are false."

488 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 2:44:21pm

re: #486 dwdw49

to quote a brilliant administrator:

"We need people who are willing to re-examine their assumptions"

To quote the dialogue of the Federation President near the end of Star Trek VI, The Undiscovered Country:

"Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily follow that we must do that thing."

489 DEZes  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 2:46:09pm

"granted there is a "certificate of live birth". i have no comment on its authenticity, but do know there is a great deal of debate about it."

That sentence says all that anyone needs to know about nutters.
No matter the evidence, no matter how much, its questionable.
You don't want facts, You don't want evidence. when given to you you just shake your heads no
you want to keep a death grip on a dead end conspiracy theory.

490 dwdw49  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 3:17:57pm

is this alice through the looking glass? my question is simply this;

why can't we, you and i, see the actual birth certificate?

you say i don't want evidence, but isn't the actual birth certificate evidence? you say i don't want facts, but isn't the actual birth certificate all the facts anyone needs?

i grant you there is a 99.44% chance that there is a real birth certificate. but how hard is it to release it, to know with 100% certainty that he is elegible? i'll pay the $30 bucks it will cost, just to quiet everyone up.

"trust everyone, but cut the cards"

491 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 4:40:18pm

Still at it, I see.

492 Salamantis  Tue, Mar 24, 2009 7:12:01pm

Once the nirthers got to see it, they'd just say:

"But is this the ACTUAL actual birth certificate? Just because so-and-so SAYS that it is proves nothing."

The point being that conspiracy theories, like religious dogmas, are unfalsifiable for the Faithful. NOTHING will satisfy the True Believer - EVER.

493 Irish Rose  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:45:31am

Let's get right to the root of it, shall we?

Geller hates CJ with a passion, and she's never going to rest until she uncovers an "exclusive" like the LGF Rathergate memos. Why? Because she desperately needs something to rub in Charles' face.

It's why she is continually floating bizarre theories. It's why she obsessively posts hastily-written SCREAMING CAP-SCLUSIVES full of "outrage" and typos, based solely upon undocumented information. It's why she doesn't bother to vet her "sources" before she rushes an ""Atlas exclusive" to the front page out ahead of everyone else... even if her "exclusives" later prove to be wrong or bogus.

It's also why she doesn't listen to her more reasonable commentators who are suggesting more and more often these days, that she might try using a little common sense before she posts something.


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