An Orwellian Discovery Institute Press Release

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The creationists at the Discovery Institute are pushing hard to get their agenda adopted by the Texas Board of Education; this press release was just sent to my email address, and it’s a textbook example of the distorted turnspeak they use to promote their pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Note that they’re attempting to portray themselves as defenders of science, when in truth, for all the money they spend on efforts like this, they have yet to produce a single piece of scientific research that supports their disguised creationism. This tactic is an outrageously dishonest sham.

Don’t Mess with Texas Education
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills Decision on Science Curriculum

Seattle, WA – On March 25 - 27 the Texas State Board of Education will meet to update its academic standards, known as the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS), in the area of science. Writing committees working for the Texas Education Agency (TEA) proposed revised TEKS that would largely eliminate the “strengths and weaknesses” language found throughout the existing science curriculum in regards to evolution, making critical thinking of the theory obsolete as an essential part of learning.

“The removal of this language would be seen as a big victory for many Darwinian scientists, but it would be a huge loss to science, biology, and American students,” says Casey Luskin, Program Officer for Public Policy and Legal Affairs at The Discovery Institute. “The TEKS should not include pejorative or inaccurate language in their definition of science, but it should encourage students to understand how scientists think skeptically and critically and engage in scientific debate in problem solving. Looking at the ‘strengths and weakness’ of a theory is essential to scientific reasoning.”

If the Texas State Board of Education removes the word “weaknesses” from the TEKS science curriculum when studying evolution, classrooms nationwide will likely follow since Texas is the second-leading textbook buyer in the country.

The Discovery Institute maintains that the TEKS should not only retain the ‘strengths and weaknesses’ language, but strengthen critical thinking skills by explicitly applying this approach to the study of specific scientific theories and hypotheses, including biological and chemical evolution.

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88 comments

quickjustice Thu, Mar 26, 2009 2:59:43pm

Lie? Distort? Why, these are religious people! That's impossible! ;-)

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:00:38pm

If students' critical thinking skills were really strengthened, they'd reject this attempt to slap scientific wallpaper on religion.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:01:03pm

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:02:14pm

Isn't the Disco Institute the very definition of Orwellian? I mean come on, they are constantly moving goal posts and using bafflegab.

shug Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:03:09pm

I am a graduate of the Texas public high school system.

I thought it was crap back in 1987.
but at least science was still science.

I feel really sorry for the children of Texas, for it is they who are being cheated out of an education.

Shame on you Rick Perry

Kosh's Shadow Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:03:25pm

re: #3 ploome hineni

speaking of Orwellian

Hillary is a pandering POS

So, should her biography be called The Panderer's Thumb?

shug Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:04:04pm

Liar Liar dinosaur skin pants on fire

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:04:37pm

Related to this topic:

Evolution 'weaknesses' won't be taught in Texas schools

AUSTIN — A last-ditch effort by social conservatives to require that Texas teachers cover the "weaknesses" in the theory of evolution in science classes was rejected by the State Board of Education Thursday in a split vote.

Board members deadlocked 7-7 on a motion to restore a long-time curriculum rule that "strengths and weaknesses" of all scientific theories — notably Charles Darwin's theory of evolution — be taught in science classes and covered in textbooks for those subjects.

Voting for the requirement were the seven Republican board members aligned with social conservative groups. Against the proposal were three other Republicans and four Democrats. (SNIP)

Tamron Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:06:39pm

Defenders of Science? Time will tell...

MONSANTO PLANTING SEEDS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

Asher Miller
March 20, 2009
Apparently President Obama is considering appointing Michael Taylor to head the new Food Safety Working Group. Mr. Taylor is a lawyer who began his revolving door adventures as counsel to FDA. He then moved to King & Spalding, a private-sector law firm representing Monsanto, a leading agricultural biotechnology company. In 1991 he returned to the FDA as Deputy Commissioner for Policy, where he was part of the team that issued the agency's decidedly industry-friendly policy on food biotechnology and that approved the use of Monsanto's genetically engineered growth hormone in dairy cows. His questionable role in these decisions led to an investigation by the federal General Accounting Office, which eventually exonerated him of all conflict-of-interest charges. In 1994, Mr. Taylor moved to USDA to become administrator of its Food Safety and Inspection Service. After another stint in private legal practice with King & Spalding, Mr. Taylor again joined Monsanto as Vice President for Public Policy in 1998.

Emerald Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:07:09pm

If they're so into the defense of science, how about showing a single, scientific bit of evidence that supports their position. How about a single, testable hypothesis? Experimental evidence?

Anyone?

//crickets

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #10 Emerald

*chirp chirp*

NYCHardhat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:13:24pm

We are living in very Orwellian times. I find myself crying.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:14:15pm

brookly red Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #12 NYCHardhat

We are living in very Orwellian times. I find myself crying.

/so can Orwell be considered a prophet?

NYCHardhat Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:16:36pm

re: #14 brookly red

/so can Orwell be considered a prophet?

A very smart man at least.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:16:38pm

Hi, Charles. AT the risk of appearing/sounding uneducated I think this creationism v evolution thing going on is just a manifestation (or reaction to) of the global (think muslim) religious fanaticism....it's just home grown fanaticism. Like some Demos in the far left support Nambla, we in the Republicans have creationists on our side.
The greater evil must be destroyed. And although I hate the illogic of it, don't you think we need some space between "kicking them to the curb" to just "pushing them to the back"? God knows some people just aren't scientific but they still can vote.

Please look back at your posts. I think you are being side tracked by this topic.

Just my 2 cents in Louisiana

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:17:06pm

Every scientific concept has weaknesses. But that's that the scientific process is for. To strengthen the areas where the theory is weak or has missing data.

The answer is not to wave one's hands and proclaim, "Then a miracle happened."

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:18:30pm

Here we go again.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:19:08pm

Sidetracked in that you are going too scientific when I look to you for political guidance.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #19 slamo

Sidetracked in that you are going too scientific when I look to you for political guidance.

A Board of Education which is an elected body deciding to pursue non-science in science education isn't a political issue?

Please explain.

Ward Cleaver Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:22:30pm

re: #18 Charles

Here we go again.

He lost me there.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:22:50pm

yes, of course

but aren't kind of eating our own on this line?

Gus Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:23:39pm

Darwinian scientist? Casey Luskin use that phrase as though people are so supposed to quiver in fear . We did they find this title because according to my understanding there is no such scientific position known as Darwinian Scientist. It's put hyperbole on the part of Young Earth Creationists and the Disco "Institute."

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:24:52pm

Test

/Yeah, I know. Fail. :)

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:25:49pm

And,
B of E, big deal!

Where were you on sex ed, et al.

I think some people are tired of Roe v Wade
and are going thru a new channel

Can U blame them?

Jim D Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:26:04pm

re: #19 slamo

Yeah, Charles. Your approach to science is way too scientific.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:26:58pm

Well, we didn't have a meltdown in the previous thread, so I guess we're overdue.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:26:59pm

re: #22 slamo

yes, of course

but aren't kind of eating our own on this line?

No.
Neither as a Christian or a Conservative.

As a Conservative I oppose theocracy.
As a Christian I oppose false witnesses.

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #19 slamo

re: #22 slamo

What our gracious host is trying to do is to stop the idiotarians from hijacking our great societies. This stuff has to be fought where ever we find it.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:29:12pm

Look, I believe in evolution.

In Louisiana some do not. Do I shun them? Berate them? Or what?

Some of you eggheads need to come down off your high scientific horse.

You have to deal with the products of our wonderful education system and be happy if they vote against socialism

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:31:02pm

Obama has become a theocracy

Jeeze you people need to get to the south

Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:31:06pm

It is amazing how this organization (D.I.), which does no science, thinks that science has been so crippled until now and that their wording will set it free.

It is even more incredible how many fools there are who buy it.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:31:37pm

re: #30 slamo

Look, I believe in evolution.

In Louisiana some do not. Do I shun them? Berate them? Or what?

Some of you eggheads need to come down off your high scientific horse.

You have to deal with the products of our wonderful education system and be happy if they vote against socialism

Is evolution a religion?

You don't believe in science, you know and understand science and evidence.

You believe in things that require faith.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #31 slamo

Obama has become a theocracy

Jeeze you people need to get to the south

Oligarchy, not a theocracy.

Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:32:42pm

re: #30 slamo

Look, I believe in evolution.

In Louisiana some do not. Do I shun them? Berate them? Or what?

Some of you eggheads need to come down off your high scientific horse.

You have to deal with the products of our wonderful education system and be happy if they vote against socialism

Come down to your level? Where's the intelligence in that?

Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:34:15pm

re: #22 slamo

yes, of course

but aren't kind of eating our own on this line?

Do you consider yourself "our own"? If so you will probably be proven right.

Jim D Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #30 slamo

Ahh....anti-intellectualism. One more charming facet of what 'conservatism' has become.

lostlakehiker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:35:20pm

While we're at it, why don't we have the TEKS standards for arithmetic look at the strengths and weaknesses of the times tables?

Strengths: it's right. It makes sense and it's internally consistent. It's handy. It can be extended by well understood algorithms.

Weaknesses: unlike a kitchen table, if you do your homework on it, it's ruined.
Appalling weakness: you might get to thinking about how easy it is to run into big numbers like billions, and that might get you thinking about billions of years, and how could there be light from galaxies that far away, just now arriving, if there was never any sufficiently deep past for that to have happened.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:35:27pm

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:36:13pm

re: #38 lostlakehiker

While we're at it, why don't we have the TEKS standards for arithmetic look at the strengths and weaknesses of the times tables?

Strengths: it's right. It makes sense and it's internally consistent. It's handy. It can be extended by well understood algorithms.

Weaknesses: unlike a kitchen table, if you do your homework on it, it's ruined.
Appalling weakness: you might get to thinking about how easy it is to run into big numbers like billions, and that might get you thinking about billions of years, and how could there be light from galaxies that far away, just now arriving, if there was never any sufficiently deep past for that to have happened.

We must examine Pi. It's irrational! We can't teach the kids irrationality!

Gus Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:36:33pm

re: #39 slamo

No one is forcing you to be here. There's a thread about Howard Dean and Keith Olbermann upstairs.

debutaunt Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #41 Gus 802

No one is forcing you to be here. There's a thread about Howard Dean and Keith Olbermann upstairs.

As how Howard Dean and Olberman relate to creationism?

Gus Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #42 debutaunt

As how Howard Dean and Olberman relate to creationism?

Yeah, unintelligent design.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:38:47pm

I knew "eggheads" would get ya

So it's against our religion to question the creator charles?

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:41:19pm

re: #44 slamo

I knew "eggheads" would get ya

So it's against our religion to question the creator charles?

No.

It's a tough room for idiotarians.

You can say your piece. Be prepared to defend it.

So far you've done nothing of the sort.

Why is teaching religion in a science class a good idea?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:41:20pm

It's always the same with these types. There's always a "more important" problem to focus on when they feel the sting of the light on the problems they create.

"No, no, that's not a big deal. Over here, look. Look at the bunny, look at the bunny".

hazzyday Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #16 slamo

Hi, Charles. AT the risk of appearing/sounding uneducated I think this creationism v evolution thing going on is just a manifestation (or reaction to) of the global (think muslim) religious fanaticism....it's just home grown fanaticism. Like some Demos in the far left support Nambla, we in the Republicans have creationists on our side.
The greater evil must be destroyed. And although I hate the illogic of it, don't you think we need some space between "kicking them to the curb" to just "pushing them to the back"? God knows some people just aren't scientific but they still can vote.

Please look back at your posts. I think you are being side tracked by this topic.

Just my 2 cents in Louisiana

First: Lead with how old you think the earth is to qualify your position.
Second: you equate Creationists with Pedophiles? I suppose the logic could be similar when trying to dissuade either. But I would kick voting Pedophiles of the nambla type to the curb across the street. Please look back at your post and see how you sidetracked yourself.

hazzyday Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:45:37pm

re: #19 slamo

Sidetracked in that you are going too scientific when I look to you for political guidance.

Lol. Look just be direct. The unfancy nuance does nothing for anyone. ***You're saying please don't post on this topic. Please only post on politics. I'll pretend I'll worship you to fool you into feeling a certain way about me. I'm a passive aggressive attention whore.........***

It's old news. We've seen it before. Wise up and stop wasting cyber space.

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:46:16pm

re: #39 slamo

I give you Idiocracy. This is the way we are headed if we don't stand up and fight for science now.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #47 hazzyday

OK,

I get it.

I first discovered LGF right after 9/11. I still have the photos saved. I was here althrough the Presidential elections.
I am just not into Charles' vision anymore as far as this is concerned.
I hope you all can turn the tide of American-style fanaticism, really

BlueCanuck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:48:54pm

re: #44 slamo

I knew "eggheads" would get ya

So it's against our religion to question the creator charles?

Looks like meat is back on the menu lizards.

Youtube Video

/off to fire up the BBQ.

jaunte Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:49:42pm

re: #50 slamo

OK,

I get it.

I first discovered LGF right after 9/11. I still have the photos saved. I was here althrough the Presidential elections.
I am just not into Charles' vision anymore as far as this is concerned.
I hope you all can turn the tide of American-style fanaticism, really

Are you trying to communicate something here? It's not coming through.

hazzyday Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:51:12pm

re: #50 slamo

I hope you all can turn the tide of American-style fanaticism, really

You'd have to explain this part to me.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #50 slamo

OK,

I get it.

I first discovered LGF right after 9/11. I still have the photos saved. I was here althrough the Presidential elections.
I am just not into Charles' vision anymore as far as this is concerned.
I hope you all can turn the tide of American-style fanaticism, really

No one is keeping you here.

Lee Coller Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:53:11pm

re: #44 slamo

I knew "eggheads" would get ya

So it's against our religion to question the creator charles?

It's his blog, he can do what he wants with it. Think King Charles.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:55:02pm

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #53 hazzyday

that's what creationism is. A form of religious fanaticism born in the US...which coincides with radicalism world wide.

Fight it if you can. They aren't listening to people like you

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:57:05pm

re: #55 Lee Coller

I like King...but Creator is more artistic

Basho Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:59:10pm

re: #30 slamo

Some of you eggheads need to come down off your high scientific horse.

Please. Go tell all those creationists trying to get their superstitious cult beliefs (cult, not religious) in schools to get off of their high horse and leave everyone the f' alone.

I'm increasing moving to the opinion that freedom of religion means freedom from religion because of these IDiots.

hazzyday Thu, Mar 26, 2009 3:59:37pm

re: #57 slamo

that's what creationism is. A form of religious fanaticism born in the US...which coincides with radicalism world wide.

Fight it if you can. They aren't listening to people like you

My point to a creationist fanatic as you describe them would be that from an evangelical view they are sinning. Christ could be born again and they would be disbelievers. They would cast stones. Hopefully one will bounce off their noggin and they'll finally get religion.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:00:06pm

re: #57 slamo

that's what creationism is. A form of religious fanaticism born in the US...which coincides with radicalism world wide.

Fight it if you can. They aren't listening to people like you

So we just roll over?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:01:45pm

re: #56 ploome hineni

I couldn't get the glumbert thingy to work, but how could I resist looking for something that has the title "Muslim Rave Party Sensation", is this the same thing?

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:04:22pm

Salamantis Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:04:53pm

re: #17 jcm

Every scientific concept has weaknesses. But that's that the scientific process is for. To strengthen the areas where the theory is weak or has missing data.

The answer is not to wave one's hands and proclaim, "Then a miracle happened."

Umm, incomplete is not the same as weak or incorrect. I invite anyone to point to any place whatsoever where evolutionary theory is weak - weak being defined as unsupported by or contradicted by the empirical evidence.

[deleted] Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:05:29pm

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #63 ploome hineni

I'll say this, they got better dance moves than I do. I am more of a mosh pit dancer. SLAAAAAAYYYYERRRR!*

_{*Every time you hear a fan scream "SLAYER", another demon gets its horns.}

itellu3times Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:09:45pm

re: #40 jcm

We must examine Pi. It's irrational! We can't teach the kids irrationality!

You da man.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:10:45pm

re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth

It's always the same with these types. There's always a "more important" problem to focus on when they feel the sting of the light on the problems they create.

"No, no, that's not a big deal. Over here, look. Look at the bunny, look at the bunny".

Right, and don't forget the classic line, "Don't get me wrong, I believe in evolution BUT...."

Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:11:28pm

re: #56 ploome hineni

let's dance

WTF? What was that? It looked too real to be staged? A communication from Allah?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:14:22pm

re: #68 Charles

Right, and don't forget the classic line, "Don't get me wrong, I believe in evolution BUT...."

That's the part that immediately tips their hand "I believe in evolution". You can pretty much tell where it's gonna go after that.

TedStriker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:14:42pm

re: #19 slamo

Sidetracked in that you are going too scientific when I look to you for political guidance.

Hey, we can walk and chew gum at the same time...how 'bout you?

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:17:22pm

re: #64 Salamantis

Umm, incomplete is not the same as weak or incorrect. I invite anyone to point to any place whatsoever where evolutionary theory is weak - weak being defined as unsupported by or contradicted by the empirical evidence.

True. I was attempting to use slammo's definition of weakness. In science a "I don't know" isn't a weakness, it's just that, "I don't know." Those who don't understand how science works see it as a weakness.

TedStriker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:20:04pm

re: #30 slamo

Look, I believe in evolution.

In Louisiana some do not. Do I shun them? Berate them? Or what?

Some of you eggheads need to come down off your high scientific horse.

You have to deal with the products of our wonderful education system and be happy if they vote against socialism

I smell the distinct odor of bullshit coming from this one...

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #71 talon_262

The thing that slamo doesn't seem to understand is that this IS a political issue. The push for Creationism in public school science class is a political play for power, using leftist political tactics and exploiting America's children for their own gain.

That this un-American movement is near totally coming from self identified republicans also makes this very political, and is one of the many reasons why the GOP is losing elections.

nyc redneck Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:21:20pm

the i.d. people ' have NEVER produced a single piece of scientific research that
supports the concept of creationism.'

that needs to be stressed more than anything to stop them.
they bring nothing to science but deception.

jcm Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:21:42pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

The thing that slamo doesn't seem to understand is that this IS a political issue. The push for Creationism in public school science class is a political play for power, using leftist political tactics and exploiting America's children for their own gain.

That this un-American movement is near totally coming from self identified republicans also makes this very political, and is one of the many reasons why the GOP is losing elections.

Bottom line. DI wants a theocracy. That is politics pure and simple.

TedStriker Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:22:26pm

re: #39 slamo

OK I support the theory of evolution

I'm just a little tired of this going on and on at LGF

And for what?

To feel superior?

I KNOW who the enemy is and it's not idiot creationists.

Charles has changed his agenda and I think he's being sidetracked...or maybe a genius, but sidetracked nonetheless

Do the letters F.O. mean anything to you?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:23:41pm

re: #64 Salamantis

I invite anyone to point to any place whatsoever where evolutionary theory is weak

There, right near that shiny, purple thing. I'm pointing right at it, doesn't look structurally sound to me.
///

- weak being defined as unsupported by or contradicted by the empirical evidence.

Oh, well, never mind.
///

tappin52 Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:26:59pm

I have, until now, avoided creationist threads because of the emotional warfare that generally ensues. But tonight my 2 cents are due to be spent. You can keep your faith any way you choose, but facts are facts and cannot be ignored. Science absolutely must not be corrupted for any reason, for to do so fogs truth and damages the foundations upon which we advance our knowledge. Scientists should be untarnished in their quest to answer the riddles that relieve medical maladies. We need to understand where we came from so that future genertations can continue to piece this puzzle of knowledge together.

Salamantis Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:39:25pm

First Louisiana, now Texas...and with similar bills pending in other Southern states, including my own, Florida...it seems to me that religiously fundamentalist anti-science Luddites are attempting to reconstitute their Genesis Literalist version of the Bible Belt.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #79 tappin52

Well shoot, that wasn't emotional at all. That was completely rational. How do you expect to start a flame war with that?
////

Great post, btw.

Gus Thu, Mar 26, 2009 4:41:16pm

Texas: From saved to doomed in just 6 hours!

Well, that was fast.

Texas Board of Education creationist Barbara Cargill today proposed an amendment to the science standards saying that teachers have to tell their students there are different estimates for the age of the Universe. This is not even a veiled attempt to attack the Big Bang model of the Universe, which clearly, and through multiple lines of evidence, indicates the Universe is 13.7 +/- 0.12 billion years old.

[Her] antiscience amendment passed 11 - 3.

Jim D Thu, Mar 26, 2009 5:24:23pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Good job, Republicans! That will keep those egghead atheists from trying to turn our kids away from god.

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 9:03:28pm

i fail to see how creationism scares you all so much. If the proof is there won't you win in the long run? I suspect the augument of sun vs the earth as the center of the solar system lasted much longer in past times and the truth prevailed.

That said.

I just want to let you know that some of us are tired of you laboring with this all the while our country is on the verge of socialism and our military is being eviserated.

Oh. you are all so busy being so intelligent. Great

slamo Thu, Mar 26, 2009 9:08:36pm

re: #79 tappin52

OK, I'm admit to ignorance.

What exactly does this mean?

Really, you guys are sooooo smart.

Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 26, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #85 slamo

That's enough. Piss off and take your tedious lying bullshit elsewhere.

Salamantis Thu, Mar 26, 2009 10:26:16pm

The reason that I never replied to slamo is that some trolls are beneath me. Such overweening stupidity engenders only sadness and pity in my lacertilian heart.

scrubjay Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:18:16am

I am waiting for the them to pass a resolution that there is no south pole but that earth is actually resting on the great turtle.

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