One Big Happy Human Rights Council

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Barack Obama’s brave new administration is going to seek a seat on the UN Human Rights Council, next to such exemplars of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, and Cuba.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States will seek election to the U.N. Human Rights Council this year, the State Department said Tuesday, announcing the Obama administration’s latest reversal of former President George W. Bush’s foreign policies.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said in a statement that the administration will join the council to help make it more effective as part of President Barack Obama’s desire to create a “new era of engagement” with the international community.

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1 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:08pm

Stupid is as stupid does

2 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:37pm

G-D I miss President Bush!

3 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:47:45pm

But of course.

4 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:22pm

Wow. Twenty some-odd posts into the last thread and then on to the next.

5 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:38pm

“Human rights are an essential element of American global foreign policy,” Clinton said. “With others, we will engage in the work of improving the U.N. human rights system to advance the vision of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.”
Rice, a strong advocate for seeking a seat on the council, said the decision was made “because we believe that working from within, we can make the council a more effective forum to promote and protect human rights.”

These people are going to get us killed

6 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:38pm

re: #1 Nevergiveup

Stupid is as stupid does

You were first … and you recognize stupid. That puts you ahead of what … 55% of American voters?

7 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:48:48pm

Help make it more effective at what?

8 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:35pm

First resolution of UNRC with US on the panel……

Condemning the death penalty in the US as a way of welcome.

9 Mirage  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:37pm

UN and human rights seem to be mutually exclusive ideas these days.

10 MPH  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:42pm

The question of the year continues: stupid or malicious? This action seems to fall into the latter category.

11 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:45pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Help make it more effective at what?

Promoting and protecting anti-American rights, I think she said.

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Help make it more effective at what?

Well, since the main work of the UN Human Rights Council is denouncing everything Israel does…

13 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:49:59pm

re: #6 father_of_10

You were first … and you recognize stupid. That puts you ahead of what … 55% of American voters?

I believe it was 52% and some change.

14 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:01pm

Can’t say I didn’t see it coming!

15 Haole  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:04pm

What could go wrong?

16 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:05pm
17 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:09pm

Oh, frak me sideways.

18 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:26pm

Barack Obama’s brave new administration is going to seek a seat on the UN Human Rights Council, next to such exemplars of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, and Cuba.

The way things are going, this makes a lot of sense.

19 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:35pm

Do as we say, not as we do.
- Obama administration.

20 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:50:35pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Help make it more effective at what?

Picking on Israel.

21 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:51:30pm

Every day it keeps getting worse!

22 MJ  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:51:49pm

Coming soon:
Jimmy Obama and Henry Clinton will begin to threaten Israel with cuts in military aid as well as the refusal to sell spare military parts unless they sign a suicide pact with Hamas. After all, we no longer lead…we follow the “European consensus” and the “Arab Street”.

23 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:51:53pm
24 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:00pm

I hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives can feel the love now!

25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:09pm
next to such exemplars of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, and Cuba.

And thereby adding a patina of fake legitimacy to the insane noises generally issued by the Council. Wonderful.

26 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:10pm

Anyone re-read Gary Allen’s book yet?

27 DEZes  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:19pm

Why oh why didnt the voters just elect a bag of hammers.
Oh wait…..

28 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #12 Charles

Well, since the main work of the UN Human Rights Council is denouncing everything Israel does…

How silly of me to forget. I’m sure that will be very effective at curtailing the rights abuses of individuals around the world. ///

29 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:32pm
30 jdog29  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:50pm

Sadly, this would be just another case of double standards.

If we take a seat at this table our economy will be hamstrung by the enforcement of regulations like documenting a 15 minute break for every worker having to work more than 2 consecutive hours.

In the meantime these other countries will continue to use slave labor and encourage our workforce to file lawsuits, not over not being able to take the 15 minute break, just over the inability of any particular company being able to PROVE each worker took said break.

31 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:51pm

re: #24 Nevergiveup

I hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives can feel the love now!

Sadly, most of them will hear the words “human rights” = always good! = they approve.

32 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:52:56pm

re: #5 Nevergiveup

“Human rights are an essential element of American global foreign policy,” Clinton said. “With others, we will engage in the work of improving the U.N. human rights system to advance the vision of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.”
Rice, a strong advocate for seeking a seat on the council, said the decision was made “because we believe that working from within, we can make the council a more effective forum to promote and protect human rights.”

These people are going to get us killed

The politics of stupid.

33 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:02pm

re: #5 Nevergiveup

“Human rights are an essential element of American global foreign policy,” Clinton said. “With others, we will engage in the work of improving the U.N. human rights system to advance the vision of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.”
Rice, a strong advocate for seeking a seat on the council, said the decision was made “because we believe that working from within, we can make the council a more effective forum to promote and protect human rights.”

These people are going to get us killed

* * **
Clinton was part of the crew that let Al Qaeda kill Americans 8 years without responding.

34 Maximu§  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:02pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States will seek election to the U.N. Human Rights Council this year, the State Department said

I’m so proud of Prince Obama, I could just cry!

~sniff~

Is Oprah on yet? I heard she has a wonderful lesbian couple on that have been mistreated at their jobs. Now THAT makes me angry!

/

35 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:07pm

re: #27 DEZes

Why oh why didnt the voters just elect a bag of hammers.
Oh wait…..

Bag of hammers, box of rocks, bag of shit … it’s all the same.

36 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:19pm
37 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:25pm

Why do I feel like I’m watching a train wreck? It’s inevitable, and you know it’s going to be loud, messy and awful, but you still can’t look away?

38 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:53:59pm

re: #27 DEZes

Why oh why didnt the voters just elect a bag of hammers.
Oh wait…..

Because we wanted sickles to go along with ‘em.

39 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:54:02pm
40 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:54:43pm

Sorry Israel. I tried. I voted for Palin and the boring guy.

41 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:54:48pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Remember, boys, we’re all in the same boat.

Here we are bailing, while they’re drilling holes.

42 LGoPs  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:55:11pm

Obaam did say he was going to Fundamentally Change America.
I hope this is fundamental enough for the 52 fucking % that voted for him………

43 OldLineTexan  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:55:23pm

re: #41 jcm

Here we are bailing, while they’re drilling holes.

Dude, nasty.

/

44 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:55:36pm

Any New Yorkers in their 20th congressional district can still VOTE NOW before the polls close in an hour or two, to replace Hillary’s replacement.

45 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:55:39pm

re: #34 Maximu§

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States will seek election to the U.N. Human Rights Council this year, the State Department said

I’m so proud of Prince Obama, I could just cry!

~sniff~

Is Oprah on yet? I heard she has a wonderful lesbian couple on that have been mistreated at their jobs. Now THAT makes me angry!

/

Shit why doesn’t she just interview kids from that school of hers. it seems to be a hot bed of sex?

46 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:55:54pm
part of President Barack Obama’s desire to create a “new era of engagement” with the international community.

We’ll be able to say “Kick Me” in 100 different languages.

47 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:03pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Remember, boys, we’re all in the same boat.

This boat?
Image: normal_boat.jpg

48 DeerMusic  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:14pm
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said in a statement that the administration will join the council to help make it more effective as part of President Barack Obama’s desire to create a “new era of engagement” with the international community.

We are, indeed, in the Obama Era Error!

49 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:34pm

Buzzsawmonkey on human “rights”.

Again.

50 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:36pm

Hey, it’s called Human Rights, it must be good.

Why is it the left wrecks so many words.

Human Rights, has nothing to do with the basic rights of humans.
Peace activists aren’t interested in peace.
Social Justice has nothing to do with Justice.
Progressive isn’t.

What have I left off?

51 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:56:48pm

re: #37 Dianna

Why do I feel like I’m watching a train wreck? It’s inevitable, and you know it’s going to be loud, messy and awful, but you still can’t look away?

As much as I hate to say it, the United States of America is coming very close to being no more.

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:57:19pm

I would be surprised if the US votes in favor of the anti-Israel resolutions but by participating in the sham of the council they are giving it more legitimacy. Disgraceful.

53 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:57:29pm

I’ve always considered the UN security council to be one of those groups of people that if you should happen to be in a room with them, and someone takes a picture, you spend millions to buy the negatives and burn them all, just to destroy the evidence.

/for my next trick, a fragment…

54 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:57:31pm
55 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

Help make it more effective at what?

Writing sternly worded letters?

56 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:09pm

I’m taking bets on when they announce we are going to Durban 2. Any takers?

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:12pm

re: #53 EmmmieG

I’ve always considered the UN security human rights council to be one of those groups of people that if you should happen to be in a room with them, and someone takes a picture, you spend millions to buy the negatives and burn them all, just to destroy the evidence.

/for my next trick, a fragment…


I promise, I promise, I’ll wake up from the nap…

58 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:20pm

I wish buzzsawmonkey was here to once again point out the difference between “human rights” and individual rights. If we’re now, as a nation, going to participate in this sham of a council, then there is really no governmental voice to stand up for the oppressed individuals from around the world.

The UN makes me sick.

59 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:33pm

Dr. Susan Rice Obama’s representative, back in the day also dithered on just how bad things had to look for CLinton to get away with doing NOTHING on genocide in Africa on their watch.

60 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #46 Russkilitlover

We’ll be able to say “Kick Me” in 100 different languages.

We’ll respect the dialects, too!

Provided they have standing armies.

61 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:40pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Buzzsawmonkey on human “rights”.

Again.

Thanks! I hope everyone reads it.

62 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #42 LGoPs

Obaam did say he was going to Fundamentally Change America.
I hope this is fundamental enough for the 52 fucking % that voted for him………

Most of the 52% have absolutely no idea what is happening to our country right now. They have no idea and they don’t care.

63 jdog29  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:57pm

What’s the latest over/under on Netanyahu bunker busting the living daylights out of Iran’s nuclear capabilities?

I’ve got my money on Memorial Day.

How’s that for a human’s rights issue?

64 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:58:58pm

I move we move UN headquarters to Gitmo and bring the detainees to NY.

65 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:59:16pm
66 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:59:20pm

re: #5 Nevergiveup

“Human rights are an essential element of American global foreign policy,” Clinton said. “With others, we will engage in the work of improving the U.N. human rights system to advance the vision of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.”
Rice, a strong advocate for seeking a seat on the council, said the decision was made “because we believe that working from within, we can make the council a more effective forum to promote and protect human rights.”

These people are going to get us killed

And they are throwing Israel under the bus.
To have them fend for themselves or get killed.
I. FUCKING. CAN’T. BELIEVE. IT!

67 pegcity  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:59:36pm

so america’s in the middle of a terrible recession and Obama decides to waste how much treasure on this UN crap?

68 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:59:38pm

re: #37 Dianna

Why do I feel like I’m watching a train wreck? It’s inevitable, and you know it’s going to be loud, messy and awful, but you still can’t look away?

Because you’re ON that train.

69 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 2:59:55pm

re: #54 buzzsawmonkey

I was actually making reference to the old slang term “boy in the boat” in the context of Maximu§’s post.

[insert obligatory “cunning linguist” joke here]

70 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:00:05pm

re: #62 Soona’

Most of the 52% have absolutely no idea what is happening to our country right now. They have no idea and they don’t care.

I think you’re right. Zombies came out of the woodwork to vote for The One and now they have gone back to mommy’s basement.

71 Querent  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:00:35pm

re: #70 father_of_10

I think you’re right. Zombies came out of the woodwork to vote for The One and now they have gone back to mommy’s basement.

“chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange…”

72 MJ  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:00:46pm

State Dept. today:

QUESTION: Hi. On the topic of Benjamin Netanyahu stepping in as Israel’s prime minister today, I guess what kind of steps, if any, could we see – could we expect from the Administration regarding the – furthering the notion of a two-state solution, as well as curtailing expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank area?


MR. DUGUID: Had the government been installed before I just walked in?


QUESTION: Yes.


MR. DUGUID: It had been installed just before I walked in. We will then, of course, meet with the new government and begin our discussions, where we will go in and explain to them what our policies are and our support for a two-state solution and the way we see the best way going forward. But I don’t have anything more than that for you, as we have just now had a new Israeli Government.

In other words, we’re gonna tell Israel that they’re fucked.

73 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:00:53pm

Speaking at a Nation of Islam conference in Illinois on March 1, Farrakhan sharply criticized Jews for expecting Muslims to stand against terrorist suicide bombers “while the Palestinians are being slaughtered,” and accused Congress of being beholden to “the Israeli lobby.”

Farrakhan also raised doubts about the “veracity” of the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust and questioned European laws against Holocaust denial.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

O happy days!
/

74 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #37 Dianna

Why do I feel like I’m watching a train wreck? It’s inevitable, and you know it’s going to be loud, messy and awful, but you still can’t look away?

So far that’s the way it’s been this year up to and including my step-daughter marrying a guy who looks like a camel and isn’t that much smarter.

75 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:04pm

On the other hand, Benjamin Netanyahu was sworn in today, wasn’t he?

I’ll support Netanyahu to the grave.

76 Code Red 21  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:08pm

What “humans” and what “rights” are they yammering about? My guess is they aren’t including Israel.

77 rw in san diego  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:12pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be that surprised….sick, but not surprised.

78 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #64 axegrinder

I move we move UN headquarters to Gitmo and bring the detainees to NY.

How would one notice?

79 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I would be surprised if the US votes in favor of the anti-Israel resolutions but by participating in the sham of the council they are giving it more legitimacy. Disgraceful.

That US participation in something bestows legitimacy to that something seems to be a concept that the Democrats do not understand in the slightest. We see it time after time with them. Yet another example of their dangerous naivety.

80 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:44pm

re: #43 OldLineTexan

re: #54 buzzsawmonkey

*Red Faced*

81 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:56pm

re: #78 Nevergiveup

How would one notice?

The parking situation would be a dead give-away.

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:01:59pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Buzzsawmonkey on human “rights”.

Again.

This is one of the few subjects on which I don’t quite agree with the honorable Mr. Monkey. While I think the term “human rights” has been sullied by its misappropriation over many decades by the left, there is nothing inherently wrong with the concept.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

I wish buzzsawmonkey was here to once again point out the difference between “human rights” and individual rights. If we’re now, as a nation, going to participate in this sham of a council, then there is really no governmental voice to stand up for the oppressed individuals from around the world.

The UN makes me sick.

See my No. 49, please.

84 wiffersnapper  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:02:37pm

I’ll respect the UN when every participating nation foots an equal share of the bill.

85 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:02:37pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Thanks! I hope everyone reads it.

And, adds more dings!

86 LEGION  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:02:45pm

As Bugs Bunny said, “Whatta maroooon”.

87 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:00pm

re: #63 jdog29

What’s the latest over/under on Netanyahu bunker busting the living daylights out of Iran’s nuclear capabilities?

I’ve got my money on Memorial Day.

How’s that for a human’s rights issue?

How I wish.

88 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:08pm

re: #65 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, Mandy!

It’s my Pocket Buzzsawmonkey.

89 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #86 LEGION

As Bugs Bunny said, “Whatta maroooon”.

Youtube Video
90 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:34pm

re: #63 jdog29

What’s the latest over/under on Netanyahu bunker busting the living daylights out of Iran’s nuclear capabilities?

I’ve got my money on Memorial Day.

How’s that for a human’s rights issue?

I am sorry, but you are confusing Bibi with a leader with balls?

91 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:37pm

… a new error in engagement with the international community

92 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #44 alegrias

Any New Yorkers in their 20th congressional district can still VOTE NOW before the polls close in an hour or two, to replace Hillary’s replacement.

How is it looking so far? Do we know?

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:03:59pm

re: #76 Code Red 21

What “humans” and what “rights” are they yammering about? My guess is they aren’t including Israel.

UN human rights council = right to beat up on Israel while pretending to have the high moral ground.

Usually the countries represented consider human rights for their own citizens to mean that they send round a nurse to put some bandages on the wounds sustained during “questioning” at 3 am, after surprise removal from the home.

94 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:05pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

This is one of the few subjects on which I don’t quite agree with the honorable Mr. Monkey. While I think the term “human rights” has been sullied by its misappropriation over many decades by the left, there is nothing inherently wrong with the concept.

Who grants those rights?

95 MJ  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:08pm

The Obama Administration Double-Deals On Israel

Anne Bayefsky, 03.01.09, 01:59 PM EST

Anti-Semitism, ‘Islamophobia,’ Durban II and the U.N.

Barack Obama just added double-dealing to his foreign policy repertoire. On Friday, administration officials led many Jewish leaders to believe that the president had decided to boycott the United Nation’s “anti-racism” conference known as Durban II. At the same time, however, human rights organizations were being led to believe that the administration was not pulling out and was looking for a way to “re-engage.”

[Link: www.forbes.com…]

96 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:12pm
“With others, we will engage in the work of improving the U.N. human rights system to advance the vision of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights.”

Has nobody in the administration bothered to point out or even notice that member nations other than democracies don’t give a shit about the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights?

97 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:16pm

the UN…
Murder Inc.
and we pay for it

98 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:21pm

re: #73 Nevergiveup

Fug Farrakhan. Hope he chokes on a waffle the next time he’s at the WH.

99 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:36pm

re: #88 MandyManners

It’s my Pocket Buzzsawmonkey.

These folks all have their copy!

100 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:49pm

What’s the dirt on Susan Rice?

101 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:04:53pm

The 0 administration doesn’t have enough Jew-haters talking amongst themselves thant they have to go to the UN for more?

102 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:05:26pm

Unintentionally humorous headline from May 2006:

UN: New Rights Council Elected With Fewer Abusers
“The first meeting of the new Human Rights Council is scheduled for June 19. The council is to hold no fewer than three sessions per year, for a total period of no less than 10 weeks.

The membership of the council will rotate regularly, with one-third of the seats coming up for election each year. To start the process, those states that won seats on May 9 were awarded one-, two-, or three-year terms by lottery.”

[Link: www.rferl.org…]

Now! With Fewer Abusers!

103 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #74 rightymouse

So far that’s the way it’s been this year up to and including my step-daughter marrying a guy who looks like a camel and isn’t that much smarter.

Oh, dear.

Long face, loose lips and thick eyelashes? He spits at Conan the Barbarian?

104 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:05:31pm

re: #68 Russkilitlover

Because you’re ON that train.

I’m going to refrain from remarking what kind of train it might be.

105 Code Red 21  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:05:51pm

What do the Jews who voted for BO think of their choice now? I wonder.

106 midwestgak  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:05:59pm

Oshama

107 Mirage  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:04pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Has nobody in the administration bothered to point out or even notice that member nations other than democracies don’t give a shit about the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights?

I don’t think they even care about the member nations … just how good they look by signing on.

108 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #98 vagabond trader

Fug Farrakhan. Hope he chokes on a waffle the next time he’s at the WH.

Not if I ever got my hands on him first. Hum, not that I’m advocating violence. He might just choke on my words to him—yeah—that’s the ticket.

109 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #94 MandyManners

Who grants those rights?

Depends on what you believe. Our Declaration contains a very similar idea, and describes them as being granted by God. Needless to say, I don’t believe that, but I think it’s a good thing to posit that people have inherent rights merely by the condition of being human, even if (effectively) those rights are “made up” by us (collectively, in some form).

110 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:20pm

I talked to my friend today who just moved to Israel. I am so glad she got out of here.

111 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:39pm

re: #100 MandyManners

What’s the dirt on Susan Rice?

If I told you she was anti-israel would you be shocked?

112 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #105 Code Red 21

They aren’t thinking due to chronic Willful ignorance. Besides, it’s Bush’s fault.

113 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #24 Nevergiveup

I hope all my liberal Jewish friends and relatives can feel the love now!

“Listen, the WHOLE REASON why the UN Human Rights Council is so anti-Israel is Bush’s fault. If he hadn’t done all those horrible things that he did, with Iraq and everything, the situation wouldn’t be like this. And don’t ask me to elaborate, because if you don’t already understand this, then you’re just such a thickheaded, knuckle-dragging Republican neo-con that you couldn’t possibly get it no matter how I explained it.”

/Our liberal Jewish friends and relatives

114 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:06pm

re: #79 CyanSnowHawk

That US participation in something bestows legitimacy to that something seems to be a concept that the Democrats do not understand in the slightest. We see it time after time with them. Yet another example of their dangerous naivety.

Are you so sure it is naivety?

115 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #97 albusteve

the UN…
Murder Inc.
and we pay for it

Don’t forget the rapists!

116 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #102 jaunte

Unintentionally humorous headline from May 2006:

UN: New Rights Council Elected With Fewer Abusers
“The first meeting of the new Human Rights Council is scheduled for June 19. The council is to hold no fewer than three sessions per year, for a total period of no less than 10 weeks.

The membership of the council will rotate regularly, with one-third of the seats coming up for election each year. To start the process, those states that won seats on May 9 were awarded one-, two-, or three-year terms by lottery.”

[Link: www.rferl.org…]

Now! With Fewer Abusers!

SEE! The UNHRC works!
/////

117 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:21pm

Aye, aye, Honorable Chairman!

118 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Has nobody in the administration bothered to point out or even notice that member nations other than democracies don’t give a shit about the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights?

they know that….they want to be a part of it…it’s all part of the netherworld these crooks have made for themselves….big money, prestige, and power over the lives of the unfortunate….the Savior Syndrome

119 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

If I told you she was anti-israel would you be shocked?

I would be unable to speak, I would be so shocked. Not unable to type…

120 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:47pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Ezra Levant argues that “human rights” has now been turned (stretched) into the “human grievance” industry…and that (in Canada) what now trumps all civil rights is the “right not to be offended”. And, unfortunately, how this operates, in Canada, is (in itself) discriminatory, since some groups are favored above and beyond that of other groups. (there’s no longer any equality of persons). (this is all detailed in Ezra Levant’s new book, titled, “Shakedown”).

121 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:54pm

re: #113 Last Mohican

“Listen, the WHOLE REASON why the UN Human Rights Council is so anti-Israel is Bush’s fault. If he hadn’t done all those horrible things that he did, with Iraq and everything, the situation wouldn’t be like this. And don’t ask me to elaborate, because if you don’t already understand this, then you’re just such a thickheaded, knuckle-dragging Republican neo-con that you couldn’t possibly get it no matter how I explained it.”

/Our liberal Jewish friends and relatives

And the fight would really start at the table!

122 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:07:55pm

Heart, mind, and spirit cannot take any more of this kind of news today.

Have a good evening, Lizard Clan.

123 Last Mohican  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:08pm

re: #105 Code Red 21

What do the Jews who voted for BO think of their choice now? I wonder.

They have no idea that anything bad for Jews is happening. None.

124 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #122 scottishbuzzsaw

{Scotti}

125 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #92 rightymouse

How is it looking so far? Do we know?

* * **
I don’t know, just am eager to give the ACORN/labor shocktroops for Obama a SHOCK.

Please New Yorkers, vote today for the 20th congressional district slot.

126 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:23pm

Does this mean the US will try to obey the resolutions that come out of the the council?
Because if it does, we’re screwed.

127 Mirage  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:30pm

re: #120 J.S.

Ezra Levant argues that “human rights” has now been turned (stretched) into the “human grievance” industry…and that (in Canada) what now trumps all civil rights is the “right not to be offended”. And, unfortunately, how this operates, in Canada, is (in itself) discriminatory, since some groups are favored above and beyond that of other groups. (there’s no longer any equality of persons). (this is all detailed in Ezra Levant’s new book, titled, “Shakedown”).

Basically it’s who can witch and moan the loudest …

128 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:08:59pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

Thanks, {Shar}…

129 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:06pm

re: #122 scottishbuzzsaw

((((((scottishbuzzsaw))))))

130 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #91 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

131 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:32pm

re: #123 Last Mohican

They have no idea that anything bad for Jews is happening. None.

Unless they open their dam stupid ignorant mouths around me, and then I tear em a new one at the other end.

132 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:37pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Give ‘em hell, Mandy!

133 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:37pm

re: #126 Kosh’s Shadow

Does this mean the US will try to obey the resolutions that come out of the the council?
Because if it does, we’re screwed.

I will never bow to the UN….never

134 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:39pm

re: #128 scottishbuzzsaw

Hey, Sweetie- I understand. Been there for about half a week now.

135 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

If I told you she was anti-israel would you be shocked?

I’d be stunned if she were pro-Israel.

136 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:43pm
137 Code Red 21  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:44pm

re: #123 Last Mohican

They have no idea that anything bad for Jews is happening. None.

It’s beginning to look like the 1930’s again only this time it’s worldwide they better get an idea.

138 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:09:46pm

re: #106 midwestgak

Oshama

And the US is the prostitute getting beaten up.

139 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:07pm

re: #126 Kosh’s Shadow

Does this mean the US will try to obey the resolutions that come out of the the council?
Because if it does, we’re screwed.

We were screwed on Jan 20th 2009. BUT GOOD!

140 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:14pm

re: #103 Dianna

Oh, dear.

Long face, loose lips and thick eyelashes? He spits at Conan the Barbarian?

Long face and nose, thick eyebrows, droopy eyes. Haven’t wanted to get too close to check out the eyelashes. Looks perpetually stoned. Mean and rude.

141 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

That reminds me.

((((((Sharmuta))))))

142 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:49pm

WOW, polls close at 9pm in New York’s 20th congressional district race TONIGHT.

Much time for union thugs & ACORN enforcers to do their mischief against normal voters.

PLEASE vote or encourage someone to vote to fill Hillary’s replacements’ seat.

143 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:51pm

{Mandy}

144 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #79 CyanSnowHawk

That US participation in something bestows legitimacy to that something seems to be a concept that the Democrats do not understand in the slightest. We see it time after time with them. Yet another example of their dangerous naivety.

That’s the kicker. They’re not naive. They’re cold, calculating, and bent on the destruction of freedom, not only in the US, but thoughout the rest of the world. They have but one framework for living and that’s everyone (but themselves, of course) giving all that they have to the state. The muslim messiah has ascended from the well and his name is Obama.

145 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:11:10pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I respect your difference of opinion, but I submit that since our civil rights were designed for the purpose of protecting us against the government—i.e., those “negative rights” about which our current President has spoken so dismissively—they leave all other human endeavor not impinged upon by a government of limited powers up to the individual.

The Constitution, in other words, assumes that people will be completely free—except where the government is permitted to deploy its limited powers. With that limitation, there is—or should be—no need to worry at all about “human rights”, because people are their own masters.

Human rights inevitably mandate that the government shall interfere in people’s lives, either to discover what they lack and provide it, or discover what they have and take it for the purpose of providing for others. Civil rights, which armor the citizen against the government, do not do this.

Was it Locke who wrote about negative liberty?

146 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:11:20pm

If only Roosevelt had sent a representative to be a member of the Reichstag, everything would have turned out OK!

147 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:11:24pm

“Human rights” replaces U.S. constitutional rights like freedom of speech. Obama and Hillary are conditioning us to the new term. That way, we’ll accept the transition from freedom to enslavement when they crack down on America’s exceptional freedoms in the name of these amorphous global “values”.

148 johnnyreb  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:11:50pm

Hey maybe they want to join to sell some Chevys?

149 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:12:04pm

The UN allows violations of human rights happen around the world everyday. They let genocide happen in Rwanda and Darfur. I have no respect for the UN.

150 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:12:15pm

re: #147 quickjustice

“Human rights” replaces U.S. constitutional rights like freedom of speech. Obama and Hillary are conditioning us to the new term. That way, we’ll accept the transition from freedom to enslavement when they crack down on America’s exceptional freedoms in the name of these amorphous global “values”.

Don’t kid, who is this universal Lawyer Obama wants to appoint to some post?

151 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:12:31pm

the Human Grievance Industry…apropo of something eh?…who’s the leading provider of this commodity?…the UN

152 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:12:33pm
153 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:01pm

re: #146 zombie

If only Roosevelt had sent a representative to be a member of the Reichstag, everything would have turned out OK!

I hear that Pat Buchanan volunteered.

154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Depends on what you believe. Our Declaration contains a very similar idea, and describes them as being granted by God. Needless to say, I don’t believe that, but I think it’s a good thing to posit that people have inherent rights merely by the condition of being human, even if (effectively) those rights are “made up” by us (collectively, in some form).

(butting in)
I agree with “collectively, in some form”, but am VERY leery of capital-G Government getting involved.

My own “collectively, in some form” concept is nitpicky and ill-defined (perhaps it’s metaphorically like English Common Law), but what happens when Government gets capital-I Involved is not.

/just sayin’

155 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:03pm

re: #79 CyanSnowHawk

That US participation in something bestows legitimacy to that something seems to be a concept that the Democrats do not understand in the slightest. We see it time after time with them. Yet another example of their dangerous naivety.

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

156 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:09pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

The Constitution, in other words, assumes that people will be completely free—except where the government is permitted to deploy its limited powers. With that limitation, there is—or should be—no need to worry at all about “human rights”, because people are their own masters.

And yet even the Constitution recognizes “human rights” (not quite using those words) within the sphere in which the government CAN impinge upon individual freedom. See, e.g, the 8th Amendment.

157 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:24pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I respect your difference of opinion, but I submit that since our civil rights were designed for the purpose of protecting us against the government—i.e., those “negative rights” about which our current President has spoken so dismissively—they leave all other human endeavor not impinged upon by a government of limited powers up to the individual.

The Constitution, in other words, assumes that people will be completely free—except where the government is permitted to deploy its limited powers. With that limitation, there is—or should be—no need to worry at all about “human rights”, because people are their own masters.

Human rights inevitably mandate that the government shall interfere in people’s lives, either to discover what they lack and provide it, or discover what they have and take it for the purpose of providing for others. Civil rights, which armor the citizen against the government, do not do this.

It just overwhelmed me to click various times on the plus-ding-button. Darn, didn’t work.

158 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #106 midwestgak

Oshama

Hysterical.
I think…

159 MJBrutus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:14:41pm

Oh goodie. “The world” is sure to love us now!

/sarc

160 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:15:01pm

So just today the News:
1) USA to join “Human Rights Atrocity”
2) USA meets with IRAN.
3) USA “warns” North Korea?
4) Nevergiveup is sad

161 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

I respect your difference of opinion, but I submit that since our civil rights were designed for the purpose of protecting us against the government—i.e., those “negative rights” about which our current President has spoken so dismissively—they leave all other human endeavor not impinged upon by a government of limited powers up to the individual.

The Constitution, in other words, assumes that people will be completely free—except where the government is permitted to deploy its limited powers. With that limitation, there is—or should be—no need to worry at all about “human rights”, because people are their own masters.

Human rights inevitably mandate that the government shall interfere in people’s lives, either to discover what they lack and provide it, or discover what they have and take it for the purpose of providing for others. Civil rights, which armor the citizen against the government, do not do this.

“Human rights” means:

Granting rights to some people by taking away rights from other people.

You are right that in a totally free society, there is no need for human rights, because we already reserve all rights for each person.

As soon as you hear the phrase “human rights,” you know that a governmental body is going to reward someone at the expense of someone else. Hence, it should be appropriately be called “Redistribution of rights.”

162 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #149 Mr. In get Mr. Out

The UN allows violations of human rights happen around the world everyday. They let genocide happen in Rwanda and Darfur. I have no respect for the UN.

* * * *
Dr. Susan Rice dithered on Rwanda for the Clinton Administration, advocating all good people SIT ON THEIR HANDS while slaughter happened on their watch.

Now She’s BAAAAAACK at the UN for Obama’s defeatist do-nothings.

163 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:15:54pm

Levin is playing RWR’s Rendezvous with Destiny (video).
Rendezvous with Destiny (text)

Not too long ago two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, “We don’t know how lucky we are.” And the Cuban stopped and said, “How lucky you are! I had someplace to escape to.” In that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to.

164 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:10pm

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Probably, but I blush to say I can’t remember.

No, it was Bentham both.

165 MJ  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:11pm

Abe Greenwald over at Commentary nails it:

Human Rights Council, Here We Come

ABE GREENWALD - 03.31.2009 - 5:23 PM

There had been hints, but now it’s official: The U.S. will seek election to the UN Human Rights Council. This is the body that just passed a resolution internationalizing Islamic blasphemy laws in order to give Muslim nations cover when their governments … violate human rights. The Obama administration has already indicated its comfort with this kind of sanctified hypocrisy. The president speaks eloquently of our need to reclaim our finest principles while he sends Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to China with the message that Chinese human rights aren’t a priority.

The whole present-day human rights endeavor is a mash-up of Orwell, Kafka, and Sayyid Qutb. Definitions are inverted, innocent individuals are targeted to run an incoherent legal gauntlet, and the most extreme brand of Islam is universally sacred. Moreover, this preposterous undertaking has met with enormous success. The term Human Rights now means, to all but a few academics and politicos from a bygone age, the rights of certain Muslims to act inhumanely without molestation. The term Human Rights violation now means Israeli action. While member countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia chair the Council in rotation, only Israel has come under fire for, say, violation of women’s rights. This body will soon boast of the imprimatur of the United States government.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]

166 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #160 Nevergiveup

So just today the News:
1) USA to join “Human Rights Atrocity”
2) USA meets with IRAN.
3) USA “warns” North Korea?
4) Nevergiveup is sad

* * * *
Don’t go to the government’s new website for depressed sad Americans, whatever you do.

167 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #130 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

LOL!

MWAH!

168 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:38pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

No, it was Bentham both.

Thanks!

169 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:39pm

re: #150 Nevergiveup

You think I’m kidding? Within the next couple of years, they’ll be peddling the idea that “human rights” trump U.S. constitutional rights, and they’ll define religion as something that can’t be criticized on pain of punishment.

170 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:45pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

No, it was Bentham both.

PIMF = No, it was Bentham.

171 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:16:50pm
172 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:17:01pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

it is indeed…unpricipled to the end…if you bow to the UN on bended knee you are not my Brother and I have no use for you

173 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:17:06pm

re: #140 rightymouse

Long face and nose, thick eyebrows, droopy eyes. Haven’t wanted to get too close to check out the eyelashes. Looks perpetually stoned. Mean and rude.

The last bit is the worrying one. I’m so sorry.

No girl ever listens when she really should.

174 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #166 alegrias

* * * *
Don’t go to the government’s new website for depressed sad Americans, whatever you do.

Yes Maam!

175 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:18:03pm

re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

MWAH!

ROFLMAO!

176 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #161 zombie

“Human rights” means:

Granting rights to some people by taking away rights from other people.

Look… I completely recognize that the term is abused this way quite often these days, but it does not inherently mean that.

Stating that other people have a right not to be tortured to death, for instance, does not somehow take away your right not to be tortured to death.

177 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:18:40pm

re: #169 quickjustice

You think I’m kidding? Within the next couple of years, they’ll be peddling the idea that “human rights” trump U.S. constitutional rights, and they’ll define religion as something that can’t be criticized on pain of punishment.

I don’t think your kidding. I Know. I am asking what is the name of that lawyer Obama wants appoint to some position in our gov. He is in favor of all that crap.

178 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:18:43pm

re: #155 avanti

So we’ll rely on Canada, Great BRtain France, Germany, and Japan to defend our freedom? Are you out of your mind?

179 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:18:53pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

No.

It’s like wrestling a pig.

180 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #167 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!

MWAH!

I’m so glad we’re on the same side at last!

BTW, did you have something yesterday to do with pet doors?
Watch this!

181 MJ  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:19:07pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

I don’t think your kidding. I Know. I am asking what is the name of that lawyer Obama wants appoint to some position in our gov. He is in favor of all that crap.

Koh

182 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

I don’t think your kidding. I Know. I am asking what is the name of that lawyer Obama wants appoint to some position in our gov. He is in favor of all that crap.

* * * *
KOH’s the name.

183 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:19:33pm

re: #177 Nevergiveup

I don’t think your kidding. I Know. I am asking what is the name of that lawyer Obama wants appoint to some position in our gov. He is in favor of all that crap.

Kuh?

184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #178 quickjustice

So we’ll rely on Canada, Great BRtain France, Germany, and Japan to defend our freedom? Are you out of your mind?

No, he’s just a liberal, so your question does not compute to him.

185 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:20:10pm
186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:20:42pm

re: #146 zombie

If only Roosevelt had sent a representative to be a member of the Reichstag, everything would have turned out OK!

And he failed to begin a new era of engagement after Nanking!
Oh, the Lost Opportunity!

/

187 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:20:53pm

re: #183 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Kuh?


KOH!

Youtube Video
188 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:21:01pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Thanks! I hope everyone reads it.

Got it green hearted.

189 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

You have got to be fucking kidding or you are ignorant of both this piece of shits history and of the that preceded it. I have always taken what you have said ok, but you try to defend this bullshit!

190 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:21:12pm

One of the most significant events to shape my personal political ideology was the Tiananmen Square massacre. I was in awe and inspired by the students, and utterly horrified by the actions of the ChiComs. I have never forgotten, and I never will.

Still- it took a few more years for me to realize that I wasn’t a democrat, but rather a conservative. It was in the transition from what I thought was a liberal to admitting my conservatism that I recalled Tiananmen, and the profound difference in paying lip service to rights, and actually holding it as a conviction.

To see the same regime that so brutally murdered their own people and continues to do so to this day sitting on a council supposedly dedicated to “human rights” makes me so utterly sick to my stomach and revolted to my core, that there are no words.

Shame on this administration for giving this complete sham any legitimacy.

191 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #172 albusteve

it is indeed…unpricipled to the end…if you bow to the UN on bended knee you are not my Brother and I have no use for you

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

192 johnnyreb  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #169 quickjustice

You think I’m kidding? Within the next couple of years, they’ll be peddling the idea that “human rights” trump U.S. constitutional rights, and they’ll define religion as something that can’t be criticized on pain of punishment.

Nope not religion. Only Islam. Everything else is right out.

193 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #169 quickjustice

You think I’m kidding? Within the next couple of years, they’ll be peddling the idea that “human rights” trump U.S. constitutional rights, and they’ll define religion as something that can’t be criticized on pain of punishment.

No. They’ll define the [bigoted word] religion is the one that can’t be criticized.

194 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:20pm

re: #111 Nevergiveup

If I told you she was anti-israel would you be shocked?

Link?

195 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:24pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

Crap. I stepped in some sh*t again. I need to scrape it off.

196 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:28pm

re: #113 Last Mohican

“Listen, the WHOLE REASON why the UN Human Rights Council is so anti-Israel is Bush Israel’s fault. If theyhadn’t done all those horrible things that they did, with Iraq Gaza and everything, the situation wouldn’t be like this. And don’t ask me to elaborate, because if you don’t already understand this, then you’re just such a thickheaded, knuckle-dragging Republican neo-con right-wing extremist settler that you couldn’t possibly get it no matter how I explained it.”

/Our liberal Jewish friends and relatives

FTFY

197 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:29pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

Fairness?

E/CN.4/RES/S-5/1 Grave and massive violations of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel

198 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #175 jcm

Thank you, sir.
*waves hand*

199 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:38pm

re: #173 Dianna

The last bit is the worrying one. I’m so sorry.

No girl ever listens when she really should.

He is universally disliked on our side of the family. She won’t even listen to her older brothers. I guess she’ll figure things out pretty quickly on her own.

200 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #187 father_of_10

KOH!

[Video]

U or O, they’re both vowels. On an island, I wouldn’t need to worry about names such as this.

201 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

I can understand the idea of joining to guide it into an organization that actually stands up to the promise in its name. I think it is naive to believe that it can be done with any organization that is part of the UN.

202 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:24:06pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Thanks!

Well, I also found a reference to Locke as a proponent of negative liberty. I thought Bentham and Locke were at odds with most of each others ideas.

Hmmmm?

203 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

I don’t live in concepts…and I could care less about changing the UN…engaging in debate gets alot of innocent people killed and you have blood on your hands if you promote that shit…what little respect I had for you has been diminished to only a trace…

204 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:24:55pm

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

Again, the Eighth Amendment sets forth rights against the government—not rights which the government grants the people.

In that context, I don’t think there’s a real distinction. And please note that in the classic usage, “human rights” did not require a specific “grant” by a government; that’s kind of the whole point.

Please note that I am NOT talking about bogus “rights” as are thrown around today, e.g. the right not to be offended, the right to a paid vacation, etc.

205 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:05pm

We have so many people who can’t see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion that the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. So they are going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning. Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer and they’ve had almost 30 years of it, shouldn’t we expect government to almost read the score to us once in a while? Shouldn’t they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing?

RWR

206 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:10pm

re: #178 quickjustice

So we’ll rely on Canada, Great BRtain France, Germany, and Japan to defend our freedom? Are you out of your mind?

Not rely on our allies, but work with them. If you are a go it alone, isolationist, then I get it. But we can’t pledge support to our allies, and then not work with them.

207 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:36pm

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thank you, sir.
*waves hand*

*waves back*

Can we make it happen?

208 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #180 goddessoftheclassroom

I’m so glad we’re on the same side at last!

BTW, did you have something yesterday to do with pet doors?
Watch this!

Oh, how dear!

MWAH!

209 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:40pm

re: #200 Mr. In get Mr. Out

U or O, they’re both vowels. On an island, I wouldn’t need to worry about names such as this.

On an island like Koh Tao, not many people care about Koh or Kuh, as long as the fish are biting and the water is warm.

210 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:43pm
211 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:25:48pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution.

And why is it “less so in execution?” Can you give me some examples?

212 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:01pm

re: #205 jcm

I’m listening.

213 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:03pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

Tell him that.

214 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:13pm

re: #194 Lynn B.

Link?

Just google her, it will pop up all over the place

215 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:16pm

re: #197 jcm

Fairness?

E/CN.4/RES/S-5/1 Grave and massive violations of the human rights of the Palestinian people by Israel

Condemning the provocative visit to Al-Haram al-Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon

A Jew visiting Judaism’s most holy site (the Temple Mount) is a “grave violation” of somebody else’s “human rights.”

These “people” (I use the term with extreme generosity) are freaking insane.

216 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:23pm

re: #206 avanti

Not rely on our allies, but work with them. If you are a go it alone, isolationist, then I get it. But we can’t pledge support to our allies, and then not work with them.

Why not? The rest of the world does.

217 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:26:23pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

Tiananmen Square Massacre remains such a sensitive topic in China that you can be arrested for discussing it there. The regime knows that it was a heinous mass murder. That is why merely discussing it is considered sedition.

218 Bloodnok  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:12pm

re: #155 avanti

Perhaps, but in fairness, it’s not just the bad guys that are members. Canada, Great Britain, Japan, Italy, France and Germany are members also. Maybe one more good guy on the council with our allies could help balance out the bad actors. (Sorry, it’s a liberal thing)

I thought you said you were a republican until recently?

219 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #206 avanti

Not rely on our allies, but work with them. If you are a go it alone, isolationist, then I get it. But we can’t pledge support to our allies, and then not work with them.

0bama doesn’t want to work with our allies, he wants to work with our enemies.

220 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #212 Racer X

I’m listening.

1964……..
But absolutely current.

221 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:29pm

re: #176 Occasional Reader

Look… I completely recognize that the term is abused this way quite often these days, but it does not inherently mean that.

Stating that other people have a right not to be tortured to death, for instance, does not somehow take away your right not to be tortured to death.

Yes, but that is only a minor aspect of the way the term “human rights” is used these days. You’re talking about theoretical human rights as a concept. But in the real world, it means taking away land from an Israeli to give to a Palestinian; it means throwing a Canadian in jail so as to appease a Muslim organization; it means denying property rights to a citizen in the name of some overarching concern for some different ethnicity; it means subsuming United States law to international law.

In all cases, someone’s rights are trampled on in order to grant “rights” to someone else.

222 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:31pm

re: #206 avanti

Not rely on our allies, but work with them. If you are a go it alone, isolationist, then I get it. But we can’t pledge support to our allies, and then not work with them.

What freak en Allies? you can count our real “Allies” on one hand. Please.

223 soxfan4life  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:32pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

Kicking the bastards out of NY is more powerful than engaging in talks with people who talk out of both sides of their mouth. The oil for food Kofi Annans bank account should be evidence enough the SOB’s spit on us eveey chance they get.

224 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:39pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

It was a terrible short sighted idea..
IMHO

225 DEZes  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:27:58pm

re: #219 Alouette

0bama doesn’t want to work with our allies, he wants to work with our enemies.

DING DING DING!

226 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:28:11pm
Youtube Video

/oldest one is eight

227 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:28:19pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

Communism is a wonderful concept…… just a few more eggs.

228 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:01pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

There’s a joke in there somewhere about getting a Locke on Hume and rights, and how politicians have Bentham.

No there’s not. But, I will tell you something interesting. You hear me bragging on the show LOST a lot here on LGF, well, if it wasn’t for that show, I would never have come across Locke, Bentham, Hume and many other philosophers (and scientists). The show uses concepts from all of those 3 people I’ve mentioned in their plot arcs.

229 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:05pm

re: #220 jcm

1964……..
But absolutely current.

Eerie isn’t it?

230 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

It was a terrible short sighted idea..
IMHO

That has long ago out lived it usefulness. But we still have to keep our seat on the security council to veto shit, other than that it can go to hell fast.

231 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:29pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

There’s a joke in there somewhere about getting a Locke on Hume and rights, and how politicians have Bentham.

It Paines me to say this, but your Constant punning is like a Mill stone around my neck.

232 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:38pm

re: #229 Racer X

Eerie isn’t it?

Core values are timeless.

233 midwestgak  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:43pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

It was a terrible short sighted idea..
IMHO

{Hoosier} Well said.

234 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:29:55pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

Hello Avanti. You are correct in theory & with the make up of nations after World War II there might have been a chance.
Now the make up is heavy with Third World & Islamic dictatorships.
They whooped & hollered when Hugo Chavez called Bush Diablo.
It has devolved to a greedy group of anti US & anti Israel radicals.
We should witdraw & toss them out of the US.

235 axegrinder  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:29pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

Tell him that.

Kudos to the guy driving the lead tank as well. He could have run over the guy and he’d be as anonymous as he is now. Very impressive moment that.

236 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:37pm

re: #221 zombie

But in the real world

As I said - several times - yes OF COURSE the term is heavily abused today. So is the term “anti-racism”, but that doesn’t mean that there’s anything inherently wrong with being anti-racist.

237 BlueCanuck  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:39pm

re: #191 avanti

From what I have seen the UN has no real purpose anymore. It was founded to prevent the horrors of WW2 ever happening again. In one sense it has. It hasn’t happened on the same scale. Just a whole bunch of smaller ones. In most horrific situations it seems that the UN just sends out a strongly worded letter, and then shakes it’s impotent finger at the transgressor. All it’s departments are corrupt and haven’t alleviated the problems that they were formed to stop. Name one program that the UN has created that’s been a success. I think McCain was right in that the free world should form a democratic version for our own.

When a world organization is filled mostly with dictatorships and oligarchies it will eventually be modeled on what it’s members are like.

238 Dianna  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:39pm

re: #199 rightymouse

He is universally disliked on our side of the family. She won’t even listen to her older brothers. I guess she’ll figure things out pretty quickly on her own.

I hope without too much wear and tear.

I must go home, now.

Good night, everyone!

239 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

That has long ago out lived it usefulness. But we still have to keep our seat on the security council to veto shit, other than that it can go to hell fast.

We should leave the UN and throw it out of the US. It has degenerated into a bunch of dictatorships running the show. McCain had the right idea for a league of democracies.

240 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #206 avanti

No. You don’t “work with” your allies to defend U.S. Constitutional rights. Those rights are ours as U.S. citizens. We fought the Canadians, the British, the French, the Japanese, and the Germans to get them, and then to defend them. Understand?

241 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:51pm

re: #234 opnion

Hello Avanti. You are correct in theory & with the make up of nations after World War II there might have been a chance.
Now the make up is heavy with Third World & Islamic dictatorships.
They whooped & hollered when Hugo Chavez called Bush Diablo.
It has devolved to a greedy group of anti US & anti Israel radicals.
We should witdraw & toss them out of the US.

United Democratic Nations.

242 Russkilitlover  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

No. No, it’s not. Our refusal to have anything to do with the UN and their assinine proclimations speaks louder than anything. Joining in and vying for seats on this ridiculous council, and begging and pleading to be liked among that UN group of hideous regimes is sickening. What’s more, it could very well get Americans killed.

243 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:55pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

So, he gets the position, and we will have the “daily Kohs” in the government.

* * *Buzz, you’re amazing.

244 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:57pm

re: #214 Nevergiveup

Just google her, it will pop up all over the place

No, I have. And it doesn’t. In fact, there are even little crumbs to the contrary (big deal).

She certainly doesn’t appear to be particularly supportive of Israel but there is NO evidence that she’s anti-Israel, either. I’ve asked many times in many places for evidence that she is, because it’s an error that’s circulating widely. So far no one has been able to come up with anything other than one stupid recommendation she made to John Kerry about mid-east advisors. But perhaps you can surprise me.

245 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:30:57pm

re: #207 jcm

*waves back*

Can we make it happen?

I don’t know, but at least there’s SOMETHING I can do!

/duck and run

246 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:31:04pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

It Paines me to say this, but your Constant punning is like a Mill stone around my neck.

Are ya’ll gonna’ Hegel over puns again today?

247 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:03pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

That has long ago out lived it usefulness. But we still have to keep our seat on the security council to veto shit, other than that it can go to hell fast.

I got to go to the UN as a kid..It impressed the hell out of me..Well all of New York did.. We saw a play..Took the ferry..It was fun!

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #231 Occasional Reader

It Paines me to say this, but your Constant punning is like a Mill stone around my neck.

How the Hayek do you justify all these puns?

249 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:11pm

re: #235 axegrinder

Sorry but the guy in the lead tank was every bit as guilty as the rest of the ChiCom soldiers who perpetrated that atrocity.

250 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:16pm

re: #191 avanti

The UN is a wonderful concept, but less so in execution. I am not one to favor pulling out of the UN for example. The only way we can make any changes is to be engaged in the debate.
Our no vote in a council is at least as powerful as never joining IMHO.

If I formed a committee to deal with crime in LA, gave the LAPD, the Crips, and the Bloods and MS-13 each a seat and an equal vote, I’d have the equivalent of the UN.

251 MJBrutus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:26pm

re: #169 quickjustice

You think I’m kidding? Within the next couple of years, they’ll be peddling the idea that “human rights” trump U.S. constitutional rights, and they’ll define religion Islam as something that can’t be criticized on pain of punishment.

Fixed.

252 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:30pm

The U.S. should be embarrassed to even be associated with the United Nations.

253 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:31pm

re: #245 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don’t know, but at least there’s SOMETHING I can do!

/duck and run

YOW!
*curls into fetal position*

254 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:40pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Are ya’ll gonna’ Hegel over puns again today?

I Kant believe it, another pun thread.

255 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:41pm

re: #137 Code Red 21

It’s beginning to look like the 1930’s again only this time it’s worldwide they better get an idea.

The 1930s were worldwide, too. ask the Koreans, Chinese, Manchurians and Russians about what Imperial Japan got up to under the radar from 1930 on while everyone was looking at Germany.

/Sierra-squared, Delta-squared, just a different cast of miscreants.

cheers

eon

256 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:46pm

re: #239 Kosh’s Shadow

We should leave the UN and throw it out of the US. It has degenerated into a bunch of dictatorships running the show. McCain had the right idea for a league of democracies.

It’d be a lot stronger than kowtowing to lesser nations.

257 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #223 soxfan4life

I live within view of U.N. headquarters here in NYC. Take my word for it, the site would make a wonderful Super WalMart.

258 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

Sorry but the guy in the lead tank was every bit as guilty as the rest of the ChiCom soldiers who perpetrated that atrocity.

Is the man in front of the tank still alive?

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

There’s a joke in there somewhere about getting a Locke on Hume and rights, and how politicians have Bentham.

*BARF*

/… *bowing to the Master*

260 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:17pm

re: #258 MandyManners

Is the man in front of the tank still alive?

no…he was killed

261 midwestgak  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:17pm

re: #240 quickjustice

No. You don’t “work with” your allies to defend U.S. Constitutional rights. Those rights are ours as U.S. citizens. We fought the Canadians, the British, the French, the Japanese, and the Germans to get them, and then to defend them. Understand?

What used to be considered absolute, is now lost in the minds of many. Sad.

262 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:19pm

re: #248 EmmmieG

How the Hayek do you justify all these puns?

To inflict Misesery on all of us.

263 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #258 MandyManners

Is the man in front of the tank still alive?

No.

264 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:32pm

re: #258 MandyManners

Is the man in front of the tank still alive?

Oh, HELL NO!

265 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:38pm

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

I can understand the idea of joining to guide it into an organization that actually stands up to the promise in its name. I think it is naive to believe that it can be done with any organization that is part of the UN.

You may be correct, the record has not been good in the past. One more no vote on the council, and maybe some pressure for change should not cause any harm. If we started voting to condemn Israel unfairly on the council, Obama could kiss his political future goodbye.

266 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:41pm

re: #252 Racer X

The U.S. should be embarrassed to even be associated with the United Nations.

/it’s a great place for spying on other countries

267 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:45pm

re: #210 buzzsawmonkey

There’s a joke in there somewhere about getting a Locke on Hume and rights, and how politicians have Bentham.


Or how a Rose grows Wilder in the Lane.

268 johnnyreb  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:45pm

re: #232 jcm

Core values are timeless.

Honor, Courage and Committment. Works for me and the Navy. More people need to sign on to that and the world would be a much better place.

269 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #260 albusteve

no…he was killed

And the family billed for the ammo if the ChiComs run true to form.

270 MJBrutus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:33:58pm

re: #262 jcm

To inflict Misesery on all of us.

These puns are Paine-ful!

271 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:04pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Are ya’ll gonna’ Hegel over puns again today?

Why? Is it against the house Rawls? Well, than, put down those black Marx next to my name, see if I care.

272 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:04pm

Operation Valkyrie II

273 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #221 zombie

Yes, but that is only a minor aspect of the way the term “human rights” is used these days. You’re talking about theoretical human rights as a concept. But in the real world, it means taking away land from an Israeli to give to a Palestinian; it means throwing a Canadian in jail so as to appease a Muslim organization; it means denying property rights to a citizen in the name of some overarching concern for some different ethnicity; it means subsuming United States law to international law.

In all cases, someone’s rights are trampled on in order to grant “rights” to someone else.

As defined above; “human rights” is the zero-sum equation.

274 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:13pm

re: #190 Sharmuta

* * *
And Hillary Clinton has again promised never to interfere in the internal “human rights” problems of the Chinese and their people-crunching tanks.

275 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:38pm
276 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:34:49pm

Congress breaks at the end of the week.
I wonder how many of them are going to get visits from a steady stream of constituents.

277 yesandno  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:35:16pm

Maybe we can learn something from those other groups already on the council!


/////////

278 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:35:27pm

re: #269 jcm

And the family billed for the ammo if the ChiComs run true to form.

these are the people that sell us our Christmas tree lights…ironic eh?

279 itellu3times  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #270 MJBrutus

These puns are Paine-ful!

You’ll Rousseau the day you heard them.

280 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:35:43pm

re: #238 Dianna

I hope without too much wear and tear.

I must go home, now.

Good night, everyone!

See ya!

281 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:36:19pm

Gotta’ go finish dinner.

282 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:36:27pm

re: #241 jcm

United Democratic Nations.

How about Free United Nations. The acronym would instantly exclude and country that implements Sharia Law.

283 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:36:38pm

re: #233 midwestgak

{Hoosier} Well said.

{Gak} Nice seeing you..Just got the email on my Blackberry on the Corporate layoffs…
Oh boy..there are some serious cuts..I won’t get the numbers till the morning..
I feel really bad for our colleagues that will lose their job.

284 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:36:42pm

re: #125 alegrias

* * **
I don’t know, just am eager to give the ACORN/labor shocktroops for Obama a SHOCK.

Please New Yorkers, vote today for the 20th congressional district slot.

It ends at 9:00 p.m.?

285 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:36:45pm

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

And why is it “less so in execution?” Can you give me some examples?

Too much voting power for third world counties, world politics make it almost impossible to get anything done. They have done a decent job on aid programs and the like on occasion, but that’s the exception.

286 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #237 BlueCanuck

From what I have seen the UN has no real purpose anymore. It was founded to prevent the horrors of WW2 ever happening again. In one sense it has. It hasn’t happened on the same scale. Just a whole bunch of smaller ones. In most horrific situations it seems that the UN just sends out a strongly worded letter, and then shakes it’s impotent finger at the transgressor. All it’s departments are corrupt and haven’t alleviated the problems that they were formed to stop. Name one program that the UN has created that’s been a success. I think McCain was right in that the free world should form a democratic version for our own.

When a world organization is filled mostly with dictatorships and oligarchies it will eventually be modeled on what it’s members are like.

I wouldn’t give most of the UN assholes that much credit. I think it’s just a way for elitists to leave their shit-hole countries and come to New York and party on our dime.

287 BingoBunny  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:37:22pm

Why does human rights at the UN always mean government rights?

288 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:37:22pm

re: #244 Lynn B.

Susan Rice was John Kerry’s chief foreign policy adviser when he ran for President. One of the major steps Kerry suggested for dealing with the Middle East was to appoint James Baker and Jimmy Carter as negotiators. When furor erupted at the prospect of two of the most ardent foes of Israel being suggested to basically ride “roughshod” over Israel, Kerry backtracked and blamed his staff for the idea. His staff was Susan Rice.

289 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:37:51pm

re: #247 HoosierHoops

I got to go to the UN as a kid..It impressed the hell out of me..Well all of New York did.. We saw a play..Took the ferry..It was fun!

I misread that and thought you saw a play about a gay Hobbit.
/

290 kcladderman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:37:52pm

Hey lizards. Been awhile since I have been on. I don’t know if any of you have ever used stumble or not. It is a search engine that finds websites on a list of interests you enter. Anyway it is interesting going back in time and seeing different stories and blogs through the years. I found this one story on a woman getting fired for having a liberal bumper sticker on her car, the whole story was how her boss fires her for it and the station(an Air America Affiliate) was going to offer her a job. So I go to the comments and somehow all the posters on the blog immediately go into the blame Bush. The fact this was a private company escaped them. Anyway really nothing new all of them were Bush is evil impeach Bush blah blah blah. Then I come across this gem.
Now note the date of this was 2005 but seeing it with perfect hindsight it is very funny. I knew it was something the lizaeds would get a kick out of.



Happy and proud as an Illinoisan to see our Governor Rod Blagojevich stand up against the Bush administration on this critical human rights issue. We need to support the few politicians who stand up for what’s right.
Ellen %P% Homepage %P% 12.31.05 - 1:23 pm

Wonder if Ellen feels the same today

291 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:01pm

re: #219 Alouette

0bama doesn’t want to work with our allies, he wants to work with our enemies.

Which allies?

Once, there were enormous hopes. With Barack Obama’s election, the trans-Atlantic rift that grew in the Bush years would finally be bridged. Now, in the financial crisis, this hope could prove an illusion. Many Germans believe they are being taken hostage by the U.S., and they want to vent their frustrations. They ask whether Mr. Obama’s gigantic stimulus programs are similar to the gigantic war programs of Mr. Bush. The new president seems to be reacting just as drastically to this “world crisis” as the Republicans did to the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, demanding the same unconditional allegiance from allies that Mr. Bush did. Are the neo-Keynesians as mistaken today as the neoconservatives were then? Isn’t American gigantism the biggest problem?
WSJ article.

Germans are sick to the core, and I am one, SHIT.

292 Wishing  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:06pm

re: #265 avanti

You may be correct, the record has not been good in the past. One more no vote on the council, and maybe some pressure for change should not cause any harm. If we started voting to condemn Israel unfairly on the council, Obama could kiss his political future goodbye.

What are your thoughts on Israel, avanti? Just generally.

293 Occasional Reader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:17pm

re: #275 buzzsawmonkey

Better to cast out the “human rights” language which they use

I think that’s a mistake. It cedes the linguistic high ground to the other side. “So, you’re against human rights are you?! Why should anyone listen to a monster like you!”

Anyway, gotta go for now.

294 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:17pm

re: #145 MandyManners

The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, volume 3, has an exposition on the “Absence of constraint or coercion” (in the article on “Freedom”)…It reads: “It is best to start from a conception of freedom that has been central in the tradition of European individualism and liberalism. According to this conception, freedom refers primarily to a condition characterized by the absence of coercion or constraint imposed by another person; a man is said to be free to the extent that he can choose his own goals or course of conduct, can choose between alternatives available to him, and is not compelled to act as he would not himself choose to act, or prevented from acting as he would otherwise choose to act, by the will of another man, of the state, or of any other authority. Freedom in the sense of not being coerced or constrained by another is sometimes called negative freedom (or “freedom from”); it refers to an area of conduct within which each man chooses his own course and is protected from compulsion or restraint. J. S. Mill’s essay On Liberty is perhaps the best known expression in English of this individualistic and liberal conception of freedom.”

295 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:20pm

Isn’t this a bit like a member of a visible minority joining the KKK?

296 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:21pm

re: #285 avanti

Too much voting power for third world counties, world politics make it almost impossible to get anything done. They have done a decent job on aid programs and the like on occasion, but that’s the exception.

Yes- the rape victims in Africa really think the aid programs are great!

297 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:26pm

re: #278 albusteve

these are the people that sell us our Christmas tree lights…ironic eh?

I try really hard not to buy “Made in China” it’s virtually impossible.

298 MJBrutus  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:38:47pm

re: #279 itellu3times

You’ll Rousseau the day you heard them.

Frankly my dear, I don’t give Addams.

299 mad mullah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:39:14pm

I do not believe in the brand of human rights espoused by the clowns at the UN. I believe that the UN is a threat to any civilized person who is not a misogynistic, terrorist supporting, deranged fundamentalist.

300 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:39:23pm
301 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #284 rightymouse

It ends at 9:00 p.m.?

* * * *
Polls are open until 9pm in the New York 20th congressional district election per FOX NEWS cable’s Major Garrett.

302 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #274 alegrias

Hillary had better be nice to the ChiComs. The U.S. government owes them hundreds of billions of dollars.

303 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:40:06pm

human rights to me is a good 12ga and a pistol for backup…all this debate is intellectual in nature and really means nothing when the bullet hits the bone…the UN is criminal…fact…our participation is criminal…fact…people who support the UN by proxy support the deaths of innocent people who don’t even know what the FUCK you are talking about when you go on about human rights…it’s a dead end…I hate the feds and I hate the UN…

304 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:40:34pm

re: #221 zombie

Yes, but that is only a minor aspect of the way the term “human rights” is used these days. You’re talking about theoretical human rights as a concept. But in the real world, it means taking away land from an Israeli to give to a Palestinian; it means throwing a Canadian in jail so as to appease a Muslim organization; it means denying property rights to a citizen in the name of some overarching concern for some different ethnicity; it means subsuming United States law to international law.

In all cases, someone’s rights are trampled on in order to grant “rights” to someone else.

Agreed. Except that the definition of the word “rights” is here being equated to “special privileges of a favored few or group denied to the populace at large”. Especially if said populace is composed of people it is still considered “P.C.” to discriminate against.

At some point, either the “advocates” are going to over-reach, or those being afflicted in the name of “human rights” are going to realize they have no place left to “retreat” to.

Wars have started over less, to quote Richard Jordan in The Hunt for Red October (film version).

cheers

eon

305 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:40:40pm

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

306 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:40:43pm

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

I love the Blagosphere.

It has an element of Plato pay in it, doesn’t it!

307 mattm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:05pm

What the hell has the UN and it’s associated groups such as the HRC done to advance human rights in the last 10 years? Did they lift a finger to help Afghanistan or Iraq? Yes, they wrote a freaking letter or some BS, that only helped kill a tree and didn’t solve anything. Then they passed a few dozen pretty please stop doing what you are doing resolutions to Saddam, etc. When theses failed they said, “Oh well. We tried our best. Fuck it, your on you own poor citizens of these nations.”

It was the US that lead the charge to free these people and give them rights while the UN sat by and did nothing.

I would call them pond scum, but I don’t want to offend pond scum.

308 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

You hired Geitner?

309 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:13pm

Oh Goody! Now maybe we can make the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights the ONLY Declaration of Human Rights..as long as it is allowed by sharia.

I hate these fuckers. A lot.

310 Dasher  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:17pm

It is really too bad that the target of the 9-11 terrorists wasn’t the UN building.

311 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:19pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

Why?

312 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:42pm

Brent Baer of Fox NEws just reported that that KOHS guy who is dean of the Yale School of Law, actually said our judges should study SHARIA law.

He practically equated the US with Saddam Husseins’ torturers, and said we along with Hussein, were part of an axis of disobedience with respect to treating bad guys.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:43pm

re: #303 albusteve

human rights to me is a good 12ga and a pistol for backup…all this debate is intellectual in nature and really means nothing when the bullet hits the bone…the UN is criminal…fact…our participation is criminal…fact…people who support the UN by proxy support the deaths of innocent people who don’t even know what the FUCK you are talking about when you go on about human rights…it’s a dead end…I hate the feds and I hate the UN…

Democracy is two lions and a sheep deciding what’s for lunch.
Freedom is a well-armed sheep.

314 Racer X  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:44pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

Turbo Tax?

/I couldn’t help it ;-)

315 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:47pm

re: #301 alegrias

* * * *
Polls are open until 9pm in the New York 20th congressional district election per FOX NEWS cable’s Major Garrett.

I know that Steele and Fred Thompson have been working hard on this election. Let’s pray for a Donk defeat.

316 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:54pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

/is he a CPA?

317 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #163 jcm

Is that public domain?

318 Killer Tomato  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:08pm

If we walked out, told them to pack up and get the hell out of NY, and quit paying the bills, exactly how would we be worse off?

319 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:10pm

re: #312 alegrias

Brent Baer of Fox NEws just reported that that KOHS guy who is dean of the Yale School of Law, actually said our judges should study SHARIA law.

He practically equated the US with Saddam Husseins’ torturers, and said we along with Hussein, were part of an axis of disobedience with respect to treating bad guys.

What is he up for?

320 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:20pm

re: #297 jcm

I try really hard not to buy “Made in China” it’s virtually impossible.

I know it…I have my party lights around the patio

321 vagabond trader  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:21pm

re: #302 quickjustice

The clintons have always been nice to the Chinese.

322 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:25pm

re: #317 Macker

Is that public domain?

Yes……

323 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:42:43pm

re: #302 quickjustice

Hillary had better be nice to the ChiComs. The U.S. government owes them hundreds of billions of dollars.

* * *
Maybe, but Hillary can’t make me buy any more Chinese crap ever.

China won’t get another dime from me.

324 opnion  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #296 Sharmuta

Yes- the rape victims in Africa really think the aid programs are great!

If they aren’t raping & abusing the populace, they stand around & watch slaughter. THe UN has become a very cruel joke.

325 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:13pm

re: #311 father_of_10

OT … are you still considering the offer from Tucson?

326 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

At least he doesn’t charge a fee based on a percentage of how much tax he can get me to pay.

327 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #314 Racer X

Turbo Tax?

/I couldn’t help it ;-)

Actually, he used Turbot tax.
That’s why he thinks there is something fishy about it.

328 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:41pm

re: #317 Macker

Is that public domain?

Just attribute correctly.

329 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:44pm

re: #292 Wishing

What are your thoughts on Israel, avanti? Just generally.

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

330 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:43:46pm

re: #318 Killer Tomato

If we walked out, told them to pack up and get the hell out of NY, and quit paying the bills, exactly how would we be worse off?

And we could turn that building into public housing. It already has structural issues, plumbing problems, etc. I think the liberals ought to get in on that.

331 zombie  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:44:00pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

I’m starting to suspect the person who pays my taxes (i.e. me) is an idiot.

332 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:44:15pm
333 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:44:42pm

re: #285 avanti

A neighbor of mine in my building is a 30-year-old American who works at the U.N. He’s terrific— smart, hard-working, conscientious, dedicated to doing good— but he admits to me that there’s a culture of corruption and time-serving introduced by foreign governments that makes the U.N. bureaucracy useless. The U.N. is where foreign governments dump their most useless civil servants. It shows.

334 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:44:52pm

re: #331 zombie

I’m starting to suspect the person who pays my taxes (i.e. me) is an idiot.

I feel the same way……..

335 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:44:54pm

Well, Obama needs some suggestions on how to deal with human rights here in America. First he and Hillary need to apologize for our horrible record.

This presidency gets worse daily.

336 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:02pm

re: #325 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OT … are you still considering the offer from Tucson?

I start work there on Monday. I heading to chico Friday night to mooch a meal and bed off of the in-laws, then on to LA to try and get my AMG back from my brother, then on to Tucson. I’m stoked!

337 midwestgak  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:02pm

re: #291 callahan23

Good post {callahan}.

338 jaunte  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:02pm

Here’s a review of Deliberative Democracy and Human Rights, edited by Harold Hongju Koh and Ronald C. Slye, that will give some insight into the thinking of the State Department’s new top lawyer. You may note some warning signs. “The majoritarian premise of democracy” is one. What power, then, is the ultimate arbiter?


There is an intrinsic tension with majority rule in the human rights movement. The protection of human rights appears intertwined with a democratic system of government, but there is also a strong counter-majoritarian strand inherent in the movement. The human rights struggle is a constitutional movement that removes certain rights and principles from political bargaining and the will of the majority. Human rights are fundamental and universal, inheritors of the natural law legacy. They exist outside the majority’s will and have almost the divine status of revelation. Various authors in the book thus work to resolve this tension by rejecting the majoritarian premise of democracy and embracing instead the alternate goal of equality. Democracy should be adopted out of concern for the equal status of citizens. It is the best way to assure the treatment of all individuals with equal respect. This section would be stronger if the authors were to question and “unpack” their concept of “the majority.” In certain cases, perhaps the majority is not the simple majority of one particular instant, but is rather a majority across time and geographic boundaries. The will of the majority varies depending on how broadly it is defined. The human rights movement has relied on this notion, looking to the “supra-majority” of the international community to promote its agenda.

[Link: www.law.harvard.edu…]

339 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:22pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

So what do you think Israel needs to do to make peace?
And do you think they have partners in the Palestinians and the Arabs?

340 Soona'  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:32pm

re: #303 albusteve

human rights to me is a good 12ga and a pistol for backup…all this debate is intellectual in nature and really means nothing when the bullet hits the bone…the UN is criminal…fact…our participation is criminal…fact…people who support the UN by proxy support the deaths of innocent people who don’t even know what the FUCK you are talking about when you go on about human rights…it’s a dead end…I hate the feds and I hate the UN…

Thanks. I agree 100%.

341 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:45:54pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.


I downdinged you because Israel is the one who has made all the damn concessions in the name of ‘peace’. Where are the Palis and the Arab neighbors? Hmmm?

342 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:46:06pm

re: #265 avanti

You may be correct, the record has not been good in the past. One more no vote on the council, and maybe some pressure for change should not cause any harm. If we started voting to condemn Israel unfairly on the council, Obama could kiss his political future goodbye.

You don’t understand. I am not in favor of the US joining this farce and lending it the legitimacy that can only come from the 800-pound Gorilla. I can understand the desire to join the same way that I can understand the naive optimism of the gun banners thinking that if only we could make the guns disappear, there would be no more gun violence. Actually attempting to do either of those two things is wrong. If the US could vote to dissolve the council, that would be the only reason to join.

343 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:46:15pm

re: #282 CyanSnowHawk

How about Free United Nations. The acronym would instantly exclude and country that implements Sharia Law.

First Earth Federation. Term used by H. Beam Piper as the name of the entity designed to succeed the UN after its (inevitable) demise, in the short story, “The Edge of the Knife”. (Online at Project Gutenberg, and when read today, it sounds far less “far-fetched” than it might have when he wrote it in 1957.)

cheers

eon

344 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:46:31pm

re: #311 father_of_10

My old tax guy sued to ask a lot of questions about how my business works. He always was looking for deductions and asking me questions. The guy who took over his business just runs down the list and checks things off. I think he’s calculating my income wrong. My tax bill last year was my biggest ever and I suspected he made some serious mistakes. He did my taxes yesterday and I suspect it’s going to be the same thing again.

345 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:46:34pm

re: #336 father_of_10

I start work there on Monday. I heading to chico Friday night to mooch a meal and bed off of the in-laws, then on to LA to try and get my AMG back from my brother, then on to Tucson. I’m stoked!

I can recommend a VERY reliable/trustworty/experienced real estate broker if you need one.

346 HoosierHoops  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:47:01pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

There ya go..
You know what? I’d like to see one fucking time in my life that the Pali’s worked for peace..Just once…Partners for peace? spit..
I call Bullshit

347 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:47:09pm

Good. Fine. I propose that America stop letting any foreigners into this country until we get better at dealing with human rights issues!

//We suck

348 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:47:20pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

Israel has the ‘right’ to kill Palistinians since they have declared war on her….how should Israel prosecute this war?….how do you suggest she defend herself and end this war she did not start?

349 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #312 alegrias

Brent Baer of Fox NEws just reported that that KOHS guy who is dean of the Yale School of Law, actually said our judges should study SHARIA law.

He practically equated the US with Saddam Husseins’ torturers, and said we along with Hussein, were part of an axis of disobedience with respect to treating bad guys.

As Charles said, the Sharia law thing was not accurate, and I suspect the rest was a exaggeration at best. I’m still trying to get a accurate read on the guy.

350 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:47:59pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

And who exactly is it suppose work with? Mickey Mouse?

351 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:05pm

re: #345 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can recommend a VERY reliable/trustworty/experienced real estate broker if you need one.

Great. I’ll need one. My new employer wants to review whatever broker I use. I think they have agreements for discounts or something like that. You used to live there, right?

352 Geepers  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:06pm

father_of_10 (#330),

And we could turn that building into public housing. It already has structural issues, plumbing problems, etc.

So you’ve seen Heavy Metal.

Harry Canyon: The U.N. Building. What a joke! They turned it into low rent housing. It’s a dump.

353 mattm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:07pm

re: #310 Dasher

It is really too bad that the target of the 9-11 terrorists wasn’t the UN building.

I guess terrorists are smart enough to not attack the places where the people who support them work.

354 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:10pm

re: #332 buzzsawmonkey

Why?

Peace Good, War Bad.

355 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:26pm

re: #319 Nevergiveup

What is he up for?

* * *
Harold Kohs is up for something, I just can’t remember right now, sorry.

But Kohs will be BLAMING THE US first, whatever Obama nominates Kohs to do.

356 Killian Bundy  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:38pm

Arab States Unite … to Support Mass Murderer

If you wanted to find a single story that summed up everything wrong about the politics of the Arab and Islamic world, it is this little item from the New York Times about the Arab summit meeting in Doha, Qatar.

As the Times puts it, the Arabs are divided about everything … except their support for Sudan’s Omar Hassan al-Bashir, the architect of a campaign of rape and murder in Darfur that earned him an indictment from the International Criminal Court on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. There may be a warrant for al-Bashir’s arrest sitting in The Hague but he got nothing but hugs, kisses, and statements of support from fellow Arab leaders.

As far as the Islamic world is concerned, the hubbub about genocide in Darfur is strictly a Western plot. They even have the chutzpah to compare the unpleasantness in Darfur to Israel’s counter-attack against the non-stop firing of missiles on civilians in southern Israel. (They are okay with the Palestinians’ attempts to murder Jews; it is the Jews’ attempts to defend themselves that constitute the real war crime.).

/Islam is as Islam does

357 Wilderstad  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:46pm

Just remember the whole U.N scheme is run by men like Maurice Strong and George Soros. It is important to ask why they’re there. They don’t do anything that isn’t to their own personal benefit.
It is interesting to note that on the initial meeting of the U.N council in the 1950’s Pierre Burton who was there, in his autobiography already recognized it as corrupt and nonredeemable.
Given these facts, it’s not surprising an administration born in Chicago would do this.

358 yesandno  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:50pm

re: #312 alegrias

Brent Baer of Fox NEws just reported that that KOHS guy who is dean of the Yale School of Law, actually said our judges should study SHARIA law.

He practically equated the US with Saddam Husseins’ torturers, and said we along with Hussein, were part of an axis of disobedience with respect to treating bad guys.


Worse yet, this appointment is likely to be the stepping stone to the Supreme Court…and we might not be able to do anything about it. If the first person replaced is Ginsburg, based on the theory (made up by Democrats) that you have to keep the balance as it is, you nominate another far left jurist to replace her…hence Kohs

Elections have consequences. Just ask Mandy…..

359 quickjustice  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #314 Racer X

I know the boy wizard who invented Turbo Tax at age 16. He sold it to the current owner for a couple of million bucks.

360 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:50:25pm

re: #354 avanti

Peace Good, War Bad.

Really? History proves you wrong. Over and over and over and over … In fact, history proves all of your liberal philosophies wrong … over and over and over and over …

You’re on a losing team and can’t even understand how the score is kept.

361 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:50:38pm

re: #329 avanti

Generally, it has a right to live in peace, but needs to keep working toward making peace with the Palestinians and it’s Arab neighbors while dealing firmly with terrorism.

How many wars has Israel started?
How many concessions has Israel made from Camp David to Wye River?

Start here: Nekama’s Troll Hammer.

362 callahan23  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:01pm

re: #337 midwestgak

Good post {callahan}.

Thanks, means a lot to me, as I am close to being depressed.
The Lizardim are keeping me from going over.
See also my comment further up thread.{midwestgak}

363 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:08pm

re: #358 yesandno

Worse yet, this appointment is likely to be the stepping stone to the Supreme Court…and we might not be able to do anything about it. If the first person replaced is Ginsburg, based on the theory (made up by Democrats) that you have to keep the balance as it is, you nominate another far left jurist to replace her…hence Kohs

Elections have consequences. Just ask Mandy…..

* * * *
UGH! Thanks for that horrible news. Fortunately Harold Kohs is a big fat pig and looks like a candidate for cardiac arrest.

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:10pm

re: #351 father_of_10

Great. I’ll need one. My new employer wants to review whatever broker I use. I think they have agreements for discounts or something like that. You used to live there, right?

Yes. 25 years. Left in ‘96.

I knew this guy from church, and used his services. First rate professional and person.

I’ve blued my nic for safe-mail e-mail. Do you know how to use it?

365 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:11pm

re: #350 Nevergiveup

And who exactly is it suppose work with? Mickey Mouse?

Farfour. Oh wait, the Jooos killed Farfur.
Nahoul? The Jooos killed Nahoul as well.
/

366 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:21pm

re: #354 avanti

Peace Good, War Bad.

Newspeak.

367 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:24pm

re: #236 Occasional Reader

As I said - several times - yes OF COURSE the term is heavily abused today. So is the term “anti-racism”, but that doesn’t mean that there’s anything inherently wrong with being anti-racist.

Remember the term States’ Rights? Try to separate that from slavery.

368 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:34pm

re: #364 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes. 25 years. Left in ‘96.

I knew this guy from church, and used his services. First rate professional and person.

I’ve blued my nic for safe-mail e-mail. Do you know how to use it?

No.

369 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:51:49pm
370 samhein  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:52:08pm

If Obama wants to give us change we can REALLY believe in, then he, Pelosi, Reid and Geitner should pack up and move to China, Russia or Iran, where they will fit in much better.

I’ve got a lot of complaints with the USA, but I don’t need some socialist morons coming in, removing my freedoms and “taking care” of me. The USA may be far from perfect, but the vision these idiots have is lethal, not helpful.

I refuse to be part of a “global community”. I’m part of the “American Community” with friends from other communities around the globe.

371 alegrias  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:52:48pm

re: #370 samhein

* * *
Me too. Thank you fellow American.

372 UberInfidel67  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:54:23pm

I never thought I would say this but, we are fucked and I am afraid : (

373 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:54:31pm

avanti…
how should Israel prosecute the war declared upon her?…give some suggestions

374 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #354 avanti

Peace Good, War Bad.

I bet you think the lobbing of rockets into Israel against innocent civilians was just hunky-dory. But Israel’s kicking of major Hamas butt in retaliation was bad.

375 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:55:12pm

re: #237 BlueCanuck

From what I have seen the UN has no real purpose anymore. It was founded to prevent the horrors of WW2 ever happening again. In one sense it has. It hasn’t happened on the same scale. Just a whole bunch of smaller ones. In most horrific situations it seems that the UN just sends out a strongly worded letter, and then shakes it’s impotent finger at the transgressor. All it’s departments are corrupt and haven’t alleviated the problems that they were formed to stop. Name one program that the UN has created that’s been a success. I think McCain was right in that the free world should form a democratic version for our own.

When a world organization is filled mostly with dictatorships and oligarchies it will eventually be modeled on what it’s members are like.

And occasionally sends its “Blue Helmets” to sexually abuse people they’re supposed to be protecting.

376 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #360 father_of_10

Really? History proves you wrong. Over and over and over and over … In fact, history proves all of your liberal philosophies wrong … over and over and over and over …

You’re on a losing team and can’t even understand how the score is kept.

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

377 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:56:52pm

re: #354 avanti

Peace Good, War Bad.

“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”
John Stuart Mill

378 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

Can you show any positive results from it? Seriously? I can show positive results from Israel making WAR in Gaza and against its enemies … and then everytime they sue for peace, they get stabbed in the back again … from people like you.

379 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:57:06pm

re: #368 father_of_10

No.

Okay.

Click my blued nic.
You’ll be presented with an e-mail msg window.
My e-mail address will be in the send-to.

IF you use an e-mail program on the computer you’re using at the moment (Outlook, etc), the completed msg will get put into that program’s Outbox.

IF you use web-mail, copy my address out of that window (then you can “cancel” that window) and dump my address into a web-mail msg.

When I get your message, I’ll bounce one back with my name and contact data, and this fellow’s … et cetera, et cetera

380 father_of_10  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #379 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay.

Click my blued nic.
You’ll be presented with an e-mail msg window.
My e-mail address will be in the send-to.

IF you use an e-mail program on the computer you’re using at the moment (Outlook, etc), the completed msg will get put into that program’s Outbox.

IF you use web-mail, copy my address out of that window (then you can “cancel” that window) and dump my address into a web-mail msg.

When I get your message, I’ll bounce one back with my name and contact data, and this fellow’s … et cetera, et cetera

Done. thanks

381 jcm  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:58:34pm

Gotta run….. I have a day care to rescue.

382 albusteve  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:58:36pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

Egypt was paid to sign that treaty with your tax dollars…you are stupid beyond reason…totally baked

383 Macker  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:58:37pm

re: #351 father_of_10

Hey you’re going to Tucson? I’m in Phoenix, and I know a few people there who can help welcome you. Also, I tried sending you an e-mail, but the link you provide doesn’t work?

384 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:59:11pm
385 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 3:59:21pm

re: #377 jcm

A gazillion updings.

386 eon  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:00:37pm

re: #354 avanti

Peace Good, War Bad.

It depends on the price of the “peace”.

From all indications, the only “fee” the Palestinian movement (as opposed to the majority of the Palestinian people) will settle for is “no Israel, no Jews”. Period.

That is not a “roadmap to peace”. That is a declaration of intent to prosecute aggressive war by any means available. Which is exactly what the Palestinian “movement” and its facilitators have been doing since they walked out on the partition agreement that ended the British Palestine Mandate in 1948. They decided then that they didn’t need to “compromise”, because they had enough military power to take the whole place for themselves by force. They’ve tried, and failed. Repeatedly.

If nothing else, the Palestinian “movement” needs to realize that;

A. They are the ones doing harm to the Palestinian people, through their actions and rhetoric, and their constant aggression; and

B. There are a lot of “Laws of War”, but there isn’t one that says that the people you want to conquer- or erase from the face of the Earth- are required to voluntarily stand still and let you do what you will.

To avanti;

clear ether

to the Lizard Legion at large;

cheers

eon

387 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #384 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, signing the treaty with Egypt was a huge mistake. Israel lost a vast tract of mineral-rich buffer land which Egypt gained, in return for a piece of paper. Egypt remains one of the most consistently hostile nations to Israel, its government-controlled media constantly spewing out antisemitic incitement.

Israel should have kept the Sinai, kept Egypt on the other side of the Canal, and told them to go to hell.


A gazillion updings for you too.

388 traderjoe9  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:02:38pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

[Link: www.alarabiya.net…]

Israel is set to celebrate on Wednesday its first peace treaty with an Arab state but its partner Egypt plans to leave the 30th anniversary almost entirely unmarked.

“No commemoration is planned in Cairo” for Thursday’s anniversary, foreign ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki said, in a sign of the cold peace that still reigns between the two neighbors amid widespread popular opposition to the treaty in Egypt.

“We haven’t received any invitation for an event in Egypt, while we’re planning several in Israel,” Israeli embassy spokeswoman Shani Cooper-Zubida said.

389 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:04:55pm

re: #237 BlueCanuck

From what I have seen the UN has no real purpose anymore. It was founded to prevent the horrors of WW2 ever happening again.

If the UN existed during WW2, Germany and Japan would have had seats on the “Human Rights Council” and the Allies would have been prevented from ever winning a decisive victory.

390 UncleRancher  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:05:00pm

re: #344 Killgore Trout

My old tax guy sued to ask a lot of questions about how my business works. He always was looking for deductions and asking me questions. The guy who took over his business just runs down the list and checks things off. I think he’s calculating my income wrong. My tax bill last year was my biggest ever and I suspected he made some serious mistakes. He did my taxes yesterday and I suspect it’s going to be the same thing again.

Right now I would kill for a huge tax bill. IRS just sent a letter saying they would not deposit my refund, but would send a check later….. Do you think they have any money left? *nervous*

391 avanti  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:05:31pm

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

392 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:06:27pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

The treaty with Egypt was the treaty with Egypt. To extrapolate that peace with any other Arab entity is asinine.

393 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:06:36pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

Israel got nothing from the “peace treaty” with Egypt, Egypt got back the Sinai and dumped Gaza.

394 kcladderman  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:06:58pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to suspect the guy who does my taxes is an idiot.

You know I am getting the same feeling about the people raising my taxes

395 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:07:36pm

re: #391 avanti

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

War is preferable to defeat. “Peace” that is achieved by surrender is not a good deal.

396 rightymouse  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #391 avanti

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

Of course peace is preferable to war. It’s just that you only hold one side accountable.

397 traderjoe9  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:09:18pm

re: #391 avanti

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

Peace is preferable to war. The problem is - the Arabs and the fictional ‘Palestinians’ want none of it, and they never will.

398 Nevergiveup  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:10:18pm

re: #397 traderjoe9

Peace is preferable to war. The problem is - the Arabs and the fictional ‘Palestinians’ want none of it, and they never will.

Your wrong, the Arabs want peace—a little piece of this and a little piece of that!

399 [deleted]  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:10:21pm
400 Lee Coller  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:11:08pm

re: #391 avanti

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

This is where the right departs drastically from the left. In Europe, the phrase was “better red then dead” in America, its “better dead than red.” Some things are worth fighting for. I’d rather be die fighting oppression than live under it.

Peace with no freedom or war, I’ll chose war.

401 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:12:23pm

re: #391 avanti

OK, I’ll leave you guys to it. If I can’t support the idea that peace is prefferable to war, I’m just spinning my wheels. See you on a different subject.

Peace IS preferable…but the actual meaning of “peace” is what is in dispute-

Do you even PAY ATTENTION? Truces are still called truces when rockets continue into Israel, a FRAKKIN “ceasefire” only meant that Israel stopped…not ham ass…

I resent the fact that you consider my quest for peace for ALL SIDES to be morally flawed- and you, who just seems to want Israel to “stop” are somehow more virtuous…

FEH

402 DisturbedEma  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #393 Alouette

Israel got nothing from the “peace treaty” with Egypt, Egypt got back the Sinai and dumped Gaza.

Cold peace is worse than war- the “peace” partners allow arms to be smuggled into the “cold peace” zone…

403 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:13:51pm

re: #126 Kosh’s Shadow

Does this mean the US will try to obey the resolutions that come out of the the council?
Because if it does, we’re screwed.

I think we passed screwed some time back.

404 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:16:30pm

re: #390 UncleRancher

Right now I would kill for a huge tax bill. IRS just sent a letter saying they would not deposit my refund, but would send a check later….. Do you think they have any money left? *nervous*

WTF!
(Hi there!)

405 kansas  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:16:35pm

re: #376 avanti

So Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors is a bad thing ? Signing the treaty with Egypt was a mistake ?

Israel’s neighbors seeking peace with them would be a good thing.

406 Mad Mullah  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:22:05pm

re: #397 traderjoe9

Peace is preferable to war. The problem is - the Arabs and the fictional ‘Palestinians’ want none of it, and they never will.

This is just a insanely wild guess on my part, but somehow I believe that their notion of peace is as perverted and backwards as is their idea of what human rights is.

407 Lynn B.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:29:44pm

re: #288 Nevergiveup

Susan Rice was John Kerry’s chief foreign policy adviser when he ran for President. One of the major steps Kerry suggested for dealing with the Middle East was to appoint James Baker and Jimmy Carter as negotiators. When furor erupted at the prospect of two of the most ardent foes of Israel being suggested to basically ride “roughshod” over Israel, Kerry backtracked and blamed his staff for the idea. His staff was Susan Rice.

See my #244:

So far no one has been able to come up with anything other than one stupid recommendation she made to John Kerry about mid-east advisors. But perhaps you can surprise me.

Try again?

408 J.S.  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:33:26pm

re: #221 zombie

In all cases, someone’s rights are trampled on in order to grant “rights” to someone else.

That, by the way, is precisely how Michael Ignatieff (that’s the Canadian) defines the term “human rights”. Ignatieff was educated at Harvard and wrote a book called “The Rights Revolution” (made me puke, btw.) Then he returned to Canada, and now is attempting to become the leader of the Liberal Party (he’s extremely problematic - - among other things, he’s, in the past agreed that Quebec is “a nation” — yes, as I roll my eyes…)

409 tedzilla99  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 4:52:46pm

It will be way easier to capitulate when they’re all in the same room. We are so doomed.

410 FrogMarch  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 6:35:49pm

I hope Clinton brings more re-set buttons.

411 tobariv  Tue, Mar 31, 2009 7:21:28pm

The U.S. should get completely out of the U.N. What is so frightening is that so many don’t realize that the Islamists will go after them whether Israel is in the picture or not. Look at what is going on in Britain, France,Spain, Sweden etc. Why the media and Obama do not recognize this is astonishing.

412 red collar  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 1:47:02am

Good morning lizards,

re: #50 Lee Coller

Human Rights, has nothing to do with the basic rights of humans.
Peace activists aren’t interested in peace.
Social Justice has nothing to do with Justice.
Progressive isn’t.

What have I left off?


Freedom Fighters, and “the science is in” when talking about Global Warming.

413 moriarity  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 2:00:18am

Keep watching Susan Rice! She is a definite study in Psychiatry!

414 CLLRusso  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 11:49:08am

I fear that our best hopes for the UN were dashed decades ago with the onset of militant Islam, (because of their oil), and the liberal Europeans continuous appeasement, and now the great black hope (is that racist?) and his lack of experience literally jumping into a black hole of change. It seems only Germany is willing to buck the tide, so far. I don’t find it ironic they seem to be the only European country that learned a lesson from World War II.

Isn’t there anything conservative , least of all the US Constitution, that Obama supports? There are millions of us that did not vote for him, yet we are totally disregarded by him, Pelosi and Reid. Is there no conservative willing to stand in loud and vocal oppositive to them when the liberals head toward dismantling our Republic and economic system?
Perhaps there are but they can’t get an interview with the MSM?

I’m feeling very depressed today over all this. Usually I am pleased with the notion of talking things over, but knowing our current administration is hell bent on undermining the ideals under which this country was founded and developed, just what will they being doing away with next?

415 gegenkritik  Wed, Apr 1, 2009 12:10:36pm

Was the famous speech of UN-Watch’s Hillel Neuer posted yet?

Youtube Video

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