Time to go home!

OPEN SESAME BUNS

A thing is not necessarily true because the President says it.

How many humans need to be sacrificed on the altar of pacifism, multiculturalism, and political correctness before we see the emperor/priest has no clothes?

If there is nothing you would die for, you do not have much to live for-- Forgot who said it

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's Bail Out the Boston Globe and then have Bernie Sanders write in the Boston Globe about the benefits of Socialism. Who is with me? No?

I wonder if some of the other right wing bloggers are upset with Charles for quoting *gasp!* homosexuals like Wilde?

A big thank-you (NOT) to whoever mentioned the Disney "Small World" attraction. Now I've had that damn song running through my head for at least the last two hours!

"... outcasts always mourn."

— From Oscar Wilde's tombstone.

re: #5 NonNativeTexan

If there is nothing you would die for, you do not have much to live for-- Forgot who said it

Bryan Adams?

Pelosi writes the "stimulus" bill
Holder gets to deal with the "torture" issue
Gutting the military is left to Gates
and the middle east is SOL as we lob a few missiles from drones into Taliban goat farms.

I guess we know what voting present looks like for a President.

The White House kitchen must make some fine waffles.

re: #11 Ben Hur

That stings a bit

re: #8 Son of the Black Dog

Replacement tune: Amazing Grace.

re: #10 Spare O'Lake

So let it be written.

So let it be done.

(Sorry - reflex)

re: #4 Rexatosis

How many humans need to be sacrificed on the altar of pacifism, multiculturalism, and political correctness before we see the emperor/priest has no clothes?

I guess we will find out...

re: #8 Son of the Black Dog

A big thank-you (NOT) to whoever mentioned the Disney "Small World" attraction. Now I've had that damn song running through my head for at least the last two hours!

There is a cure. I should probably charge for this, but here it is: sing it, out loud.

May not be safe for work.

re: #8 Son of the Black Dog

A big thank-you (NOT) to whoever mentioned the Disney "Small World" attraction. Now I've had that damn song running through my head for at least the last two hours!

Well there's always Ren and Stimpy doing 'Happy Happy Joy Joy!...)

Looks like I got back on just in time

SCIENCE!

New cool pictures of Saturn!

"A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."

— Oscar Wilde

Ironically, he's dead!

re: #10 Spare O'Lake

Such means to include infliction of extreme discomfort, torture, threats, blackmail, extortion, sexual favours and anything else that is likely to be effective.

Huh?

re: #15 DaddyG

So let it be done.

(Sorry - reflex)

Is that laughter I hear?

The slacker morons at Gawker.com are taking shots at me now:

Gawker - Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

Johnson should be commended for taking a stand against neo-Nazis and Glenn Beck. And he should still be condemned for spending the last eight years giving them ammunition and inspiration. If neo-Nazis are into your ideas, Charles, you might want to rethink them.

The stupidity of this remark can't be understated -- the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. They have never been "into my ideas," and only a fool who's made unsupported assumptions about my ideas could possibly believe that.

Jim DeMint (R-SC) says GOP's pushing to let banks immediately pay back TARP money.

GOP wants to protect taxpayers and says TARP is not working for Americans.

re: #22 wrenchwench

Huh?

some guys like panties on their head, and some like naked pyramids

/

re: #10 Spare O'Lake

Repost from prior thread FWIW:
If there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a non-citizen enemy combatant is withholding information which would be likely to save the lives of thousands of innocent human beings, then any person would be guilty of gross dereliction of duty if they did not authorize and pursue all available means to extract the information.
Such means to include infliction of extreme discomfort, torture, threats, blackmail, extortion, sexual favours and anything else that is likely to be effective.
Anyone who says otherwise is in my view a lying, callous, self-hating defeatist.
So let it be written.

Quoted in full - needs to be repeated.
Gave you another upding for that!

Good afternoon everyone!
I cannot help but wonder if Obama's team may want to slow down on this ridiculous prosecution mess. What they have done so far had so weakened and endangered us, that they may very well find themselves being prosecuted should the USA be attacked again. Not only are they setting a dangerous precedent for this nation, but, I think for themselves, should this tactic do harm to this country.

There's a passage from one of Padraic Pearse's plays along those lines--"Men die for false things, ridiculous things..."

Odd insight for a man set on martyrhood himself.

So let it be written... So let it be done.

re: #26 OldLineTexan

some guys like panties on their head, and some like naked pyramids

/

Maybe it's just me. "Torture" and "favours" [sic] don't belong in the same list.

I can resist everything but temptation.
-OW

re: #24 Charles

The slacker morons at Gawker.com are taking shots at me now:

Gawker - Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

The stupidity of this remark can't be understated -- the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. They have never been "into my ideas," and only a fool who's made unsupported assumptions about my ideas could possibly believe that.

This is why I, for one, resent KT's implication that because I support the spirit behind the Tea Parties that I am one of them.

re: #31 wrenchwench

Maybe it's just me. "Torture" and "favours" [sic] don't belong in the same list.

"favour" is an English spelling, IIRC

re: #17 SixDegrees

There is a cure. I should probably charge for this, but here it is: sing it, out loud.

May not be safe for work.

How about . . . .

Ummm Ummm Good! Ummm Ummm Good!
That's what Campbell Soups are Ummm Ummm Good!

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SCIENCE!

New cool pictures of Saturn!

Awesome!

re: #33 Russkilitlover

This is why I, for one, resent KT's implication that because I support the spirit behind the Tea Parties that I am one of them.

It's OK, I'm now a Stormfront Internet Nazi. According to KT, anyway, who is so very wise in the ways of Stormfront.

/

re: #34 OldLineTexan

Reminds me of Monty Python's skit with the "Large Comfortable Chair".

BBL

re: #31 wrenchwench

Maybe it's just me. "Torture" and "favours" [sic] don't belong in the same list.

Haven't been to too many 8 year olds birthday's have you. /

re: #22 wrenchwench

Huh?

It's all in a day's work for a devoted agent.

Funny, I have been thinking today 'it doesn't matter what you think if the facts are against you'...

re: #24 Charles

And Cook predicates it upon an out-and-out lie.

If you organize people around the notion that ...

/not going to paste in the meat of it

re: #22 wrenchwench

Huh?

Do they offer special courses in how to resist sexual favors offered by the enemy? Because I'd definitely want to know how to do that, no matter how many times I had to take the course before passing.

re: #24 Charles

The slacker morons at Gawker.com are taking shots at me now:

Gawker - Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

The stupidity of this remark can't be understated -- the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. They have never been "into my ideas," and only a fool who's made unsupported assumptions about my ideas could possibly believe that.

Charles, you should feel 10 feet tall with all these morons taking potshots at you. You have poked them in the eye, and exposed them for what they really are. These types of people REALLY hate being found out and pointed out.
You deserve untold credit for what you have done and continue to do. There are 3 people I hold enormous respect for character wise. My husband, my boss, and you. Thank you.

re: #36 SixDegrees

Nice Break fro the old riga-ma-roll.

re: #24 Charles

You created Neo Nazis? No Neo-Nazis before you showed up?

A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.

I just heard an interview on Laura Ingraham with a real piece of work that thinks we should PLAN the EXTINTION of HUMANS to save the planet.

Happy Earth Day!

Now go off yourself.............

re: #45 Sabnen

Nice Break fro the old riga-ma-roll.

Riga's not gonna be happy when he finds out you rolled his mother. /

re: #35 Sabnen

How about . . . .

Ummm Ummm Good! Ummm Ummm Good!
That's what Campbell Soups are Ummm Ummm Good!

Just, sit right back and we'll tell a tale...

re: #47 IslandLibertarian

A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.

I just heard an interview on Laura Ingraham with a real piece of work that thinks we should PLAN the EXTINTION of HUMANS to save the planet.

Happy Earth Day!

Now go off yourself.............

Did she suggest we start with him?

re: #48 DaddyG

I didn't know that was HIS mother! Uh-Oh.

re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You created Neo Nazis? No Neo-Nazis before you showed up?

I knew he had a time machine, I just knew it.

/ignorance knows no bounds

re: #24 Charles

Consider the source. For self-loathing, irony-junkie hipsters like the Gawker crew, any defense of Western civilization, America, and/or Judeo-Christian spiritual heritage = neo-Naziism.

The soldier the taliban can't kill

Wow, this guy could be luckier than this soldier. The Sun

HERO Colour Sergeant Alan Dennis is the man the Taliban just can’t kill — after surviving being blown up for a SECOND time.

Two years ago the career soldier escaped from the wreckage of his Land Rover in a roadside bomb attack that claimed the life of a comrade.

Now he has cheated death again in Afghanistan following a grenade attack.

Once again miracle man Alan,35, was hurled into the air — landing under rubble in a trench.

But despite arm injures he recovered to return fire on the enemy and lead his men to safety.[...]

A rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) blew up in front of him sending him flying through the air and slamming him down into a trench buried under rubble.

Undeterred by what he thought was a broken arm, and under a constant hail of bullets, he grabbed his rifle and returned fire until his men were safe.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

re: #50 eschew_obfuscation

Did she suggest we start with him?

you had to ask?

re: #24 Charles

The slacker morons at Gawker.com are taking shots at me now:

Gawker - Right-Wing Blogger Goes to War With the Idiots He Created.

The stupidity of this remark can't be understated -- the neo-Nazis at places like Stormfront, and the Eurofascists like Vlaams Belang, absolutely despise me and LGF. They have never been "into my ideas," and only a fool who's made unsupported assumptions about my ideas could possibly believe that.

You mean like fools that live in their mom's basement?

re: #33 Russkilitlover

This is why I, for one, resent KT's implication that because I support the spirit behind the Tea Parties that I am one of them.

Now you see, I simply take KT's posts as warnings to keep my eyes and ears open, and maybe get involved at the local level, rather than as an implication that I am "one of them".

I'm gonna start a blog that does nothing but accuse people I disagree with of being Nazis. I'll call it Godwins Blawg

Whaddya think?

re: #34 OldLineTexan

"favour" is an English spelling, IIRC

I'm allowed to sic it on an American blog. We don't speak no English here!

/

If Islamofascists are into your ideas, Gawker, you might want to rethink them.

re: #39 DaddyG

Haven't been to too many 8 year olds birthday's have you. /

I'm currently trapped in "I want my Birthday at CHUCK E CHEESE!" years

re: #54 Dustyvet

The soldier the taliban can't kill

Wow, this guy could be luckier than this soldier. The Sun

HERO Colour Sergeant Alan Dennis is the man the Taliban just can’t kill — after surviving being blown up for a SECOND time.

Two years ago the career soldier escaped from the wreckage of his Land Rover in a roadside bomb attack that claimed the life of a comrade.

Now he has cheated death again in Afghanistan following a grenade attack.

Once again miracle man Alan,35, was hurled into the air — landing under rubble in a trench.

But despite arm injures he recovered to return fire on the enemy and lead his men to safety.[...]

A rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) blew up in front of him sending him flying through the air and slamming him down into a trench buried under rubble.

Undeterred by what he thought was a broken arm, and under a constant hail of bullets, he grabbed his rifle and returned fire until his men were safe.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Aww - another extremely lucky British soldier!
No wonder the Taliban hates us ...
:-)

re: #6 Devil's Advocate

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's Bail Out the Boston Globe and then have Bernie Sanders write in the Boston Globe about the benefits of Socialism. Who is with me? No?

[Video]

I'd fire all the editorial staff (except for Jeff Jacoby), and put in some real news. Maybe get a reporter in Sderot. Every attack on Israel would be covered, with articles on how they cope with the terrorists next door.
I wonder how long I'd still have advertisers. I'd probably have to hire extra accountants to deal with the audits from the IRS, and probably wouldn't get a reporter in the White House, though.

re: #37 OldLineTexan

Your comment to the arrest of the skinheads....

Good. How many Crips and Bloods are still at large?

Stormfront comment....

LOL what a joke

Nevermind the bloods, crips, ms-13

Very similar. Just sayin'. Both comments are an attempt to minimize the seriousness and deflect the focus onto other groups.

re: #7 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if some of the other right wing bloggers are upset with Charles for quoting *gasp!* homosexuals like Wilde?

When I played with the Society for Creative Anachronism, I learned that someone redid that as "It's A New World After All".

Do NOT read this if you want to stop singing it any time soon.

'Twas in fourteen hundred and ninety-two
Chris Columbus sailed 'cross the ocean blue
Didn't find what he'd planned,
So he told Ferdinand
It's a New World after all!

It's a New World after all (3x)
It's a Brand New World!

So it isn't India - we won't get spice,
They have things there, King, that are just as nice!
There's a spring there, forsooth,
Called the Fountain of Youth!
In that New World, after all!

It's a New World after all,
And it's round just like a ball!
That Italian showed 'em all!
It's a Brave New World!

It's a world of treasure, a World to gain!
It's a world of riches, and all for Spain!
It'll be oh so fine
When the Pope draws the Line!
It's a New World after all!

It's a New World, after all,
Like an Eden ere the Fall,
We won't share with Portugal!
'Cause it's Spain's New World!

Oh, the Natives are friendly as they can be,
Gave us gifts of maize, and a little VD,
And the folk, not a one,
Heard of Lief Eriksson!
So it's Spain's world after all!

Go to Spain's world, one and all,
Get there if you have to crawl!
I hear El Dorado call,
There in Spain's New World!

Oh, the Aztecs and Mayans have lots of gold,
And the Incas have more, or so we've been told,
When those far western shores
Meet the Conquistadores,
Then it's Spain's world, after all!

When it's Spain's world, after all,
Then on England soon will fall
The Armada, strong and tall,
'Cause it's Spain's New World!

re: #57 reine.de.tout

Thank you.

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm currently trapped in "I want my Birthday at CHUCK E CHEESE!" years

Heh. My kids asked me where I wanted to go for my 40th and I took all 7 of them to Chuck E Cheese. One of the best decisions of my fathering career. I'm still a hero for that one.

In the "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" Clinton Go-Go 90's vein,
once again we have a Clinton wagging their finger at the Taliban in Pakistan, like they did so many times before.

Remember how the Taliban blew up Bamiyan on Clinton's watch? They're baaaaaaaack! And Obama's going to be Clintonian on Pakistan. Ugh, I've seen this movie for 8 years straight before.

re: #57 reine.de.tout

Now you see, I simply take KT's posts as warnings to keep my eyes and ears open, and maybe get involved at the local level, rather than as an implication that I am "one of them".

Read 507 in the last thread and let me know what I should think.

Afghanistan: Brits Unhappy With Certain Czech Unit

Headline reads

'Cowardly' troops refuse Afghan fight'

Apparently when asked by the Brits to fight terrorists, Czech troops refused.

When asked by the Britons to attack Afghan rebels, the commander of a special operations unit (SOG) said "we're not going to, it's dangerous,'' then ordered his men to get in trucks and return to the base.

On another occasion, an SOG commander decided that the task the Britons had set ran counter to the unit's mission.

Yet another time, a commander said he could not help as his soldiers were on vacation.

"I find it hard to recover from the news I get about this unit. It harms the reputation of the army,'' Czech Defence Minister Vlasta Parkanova told the daily.

I believe they have some splainin to do. Afghanistan: Brits Unhappy With Certain Czech Unit

Headline reads

'Cowardly' troops refuse Afghan fight'

Apparently when asked by the Brits to fight terrorists, Czech troops refused.

When asked by the Britons to attack Afghan rebels, the commander of a special operations unit (SOG) said "we're not going to, it's dangerous,'' then ordered his men to get in trucks and return to the base.

On another occasion, an SOG commander decided that the task the Britons had set ran counter to the unit's mission.

Yet another time, a commander said he could not help as his soldiers were on vacation.

"I find it hard to recover from the news I get about this unit. It harms the reputation of the army,'' Czech Defence Minister Vlasta Parkanova told the daily.

I believe they have some splainin to do.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm currently trapped in "I want my Birthday at CHUCK E CHEESE!" years

I'm just glad that Club Libby Lu has gone out of business.

re: #10 Spare O'Lake

Repost from prior thread FWIW:
If there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a non-citizen enemy combatant is withholding information which would be likely to save the lives of thousands of innocent human beings, then any person would be guilty of gross dereliction of duty if they did not authorize and pursue all available means to extract the information.
Such means to include infliction of extreme discomfort, torture, threats, blackmail, extortion, sexual favours and anything else that is likely to be effective.
Anyone who says otherwise is in my view a lying, callous, self-hating defeatist.
So let it be written.

I agree, in theory. In practice, however, the problem is determining when you've extracted all the information, and in discerning which information is real. Torture may work for some individuals; it doesn't work for all, though, and often produces volumes of information that matches what the tortured thinks the torturer wants to hear, rather than truth.

In short, torture just isn't that effective at getting that information. And once the torturer has convinced themselves that their charge is withholding, at what point does it become apparent that they're wrong, in the inevitable cases where a mistake has been made? Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any interrogation techniques that cannot produce false positives, or that are completely effective at producing positives.

Finally, why the exclusion for citizens? There is no shortage of examples of home-grown terrorists. If a technique works, why hesitate to use it over a matter like citizenship?

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re: #11 Ben Hur

I used to love him, then I met him downtown one night-he was with friends listening to jazz at this club... and he was soooo short, and SO pock marked with yucky acne scars. That was when I was a teenager...

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Your comment to the arrest of the skinheads....

Very similar. Just sayin'. Both comments are an attempt to minimize the seriousness and deflect the focus onto other groups.

Not similar at all. My comment was GOOD, not LOL.

Plus I'm not an Internet Nazi.

Speaking of Oscar Wilde:

Monty Python Oscar Wilde sketch

"Your Majesty is like a dose of clap."

re: #70 Dustyvet

Afghanistan: Brits Unhappy With Certain Czech Unit

Headline reads

'Cowardly' troops refuse Afghan fight'

Apparently when asked by the Brits to fight terrorists, Czech troops refused.

When asked by the Britons to attack Afghan rebels, the commander of a special operations unit (SOG) said "we're not going to, it's dangerous,'' then ordered his men to get in trucks and return to the base.

On another occasion, an SOG commander decided that the task the Britons had set ran counter to the unit's mission.

Yet another time, a commander said he could not help as his soldiers were on vacation.

"I find it hard to recover from the news I get about this unit. It harms the reputation of the army,'' Czech Defence Minister Vlasta Parkanova told the daily.

I believe they have some splainin to do. Afghanistan: Brits Unhappy With Certain Czech Unit

Headline reads

'Cowardly' troops refuse Afghan fight'

Apparently when asked by the Brits to fight terrorists, Czech troops refused.

When asked by the Britons to attack Afghan rebels, the commander of a special operations unit (SOG) said "we're not going to, it's dangerous,'' then ordered his men to get in trucks and return to the base.

On another occasion, an SOG commander decided that the task the Britons had set ran counter to the unit's mission.

Yet another time, a commander said he could not help as his soldiers were on vacation.

"I find it hard to recover from the news I get about this unit. It harms the reputation of the army,'' Czech Defence Minister Vlasta Parkanova told the daily.

I believe they have some splainin to do.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

re: #74 WriterMom

I used to love him, then I met him downtown one night-he was with friends listening to jazz at this club... and he was soooo short, and SO pock marked with yucky acne scars. That was when I was a teenager...

Unfortunately, my first kiss was during a Bryan Adams song. It was a set up.

re: #73 Son of the Black Dog

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Click it and complain if they don't have any goats.

re: #75 OldLineTexan

Why mention black gangs? The story about the skinheads had nothing to do with black gangs.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

When the Tea Parties were in full swing last week, you took it much farther than that over and over again. Not much room left for benefit of doubt. Shame, really, because I agree with you on a lot. Just feel that you get a bit zealous in your conservative bashing. And I avoid zealots.

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm currently trapped in "I want my Birthday at CHUCK E CHEESE!" years

Through a geographical accident, I live in an area devoid of Chuck E. Cheese.

This may be proof that there is a divine being. Or something else, in your case?

re: #78 Ben Hur

Good lord that is awful...LOL. The only worse song from a Canadian singer would be like something from Celine Dion. GAAAAAAAA

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Why mention black gangs? The story about the skinheads had nothing to do with black gangs.

To me they're just violent street gangs. Race doesn't enter into my mind when considering gangs.

Now I'm a racist based on another assumption on your part.

This is getting more vile, thanks.

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm currently trapped in "I want my Birthday at CHUCK E CHEESE!" years

My daughter works at "The Cheese".

It is
1. A license to print money.
2. An awful, awful place.

re: #39 DaddyG

Haven't been to too many 8 year olds birthday's have you. /

During the dot-com boom, a friend of mine hired her sister's boyfriend to work admin assistance for one of the big Silicon Valley firms. He was twenty-one, and the only work experience he had was being a dancing mouse for Chuck-E-Cheese. "Am I nuts?" she asked.

"One thing you know," I said, "he'll go the extra mile for any company he works for. If he'll be a dancing mouse for minimum wage, imagine what he would do for a place that gave him health benefits."

re: #78 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my first kiss was during a Bryan Adams song. It was a set up.

Which song? "Cuts like a knife"?

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I bet it was The Best Was Yet to Come. LOLOL

Nanny State Bloomberg is at it again. He's got his eco-left agenda, and it's a business killer.

The new laws would include:

* A New York City Energy Code which existing buildings will have to meet whenever they make renovations.
* Buildings of 50,000 square feet or more would have to conduct an energy audit once every ten years and make any improvements that would pay for themselves within five years
* A jobs program to work with the real estate and construction industries and train the workforce that will fill the estimated 19,000 construction jobs the legislation will create.
* A financing program that uses $16 million in federal stimulus money to provide loans for property owners to pay the upfront costs for the efficiency upgrades that eventually pay for themselves.

Once again, Bloomberg is demanding that others spend their money to fit his agenda. The energy code provision would kill business because no one would go into a renovation project since it would expose them to additional costs that they would have to factor in. It would actually slow construction rehabs in the City - not accelerate them.

re: #67 DaddyG

Heh. My kids asked me where I wanted to go for my 40th and I took all 7 of them to Chuck E Cheese. One of the best decisions of my fathering career. I'm still a hero for that one.

You're a brave man.

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

Click it and complain if they don't have any goats.

No, YOU click it! ... not gonna go there.

re: #83 WriterMom

Good lord that is awful...LOL. The only worse song from a Canadian singer would be like something from Celine Dion. GAAAAAAAA

Have you heard her cover AC/DC yet? just do a search on "celine ac/dc" on YouTube, if you dare.

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

You're a brave man.

You just need ear plugs, now that they don't serve beer.

re: #36 SixDegrees
Amazing. Some of the most beautiful images I have ever seen. Thanks.

re: #92 Mad Al-Jaffee

Have you heard her cover AC/DC yet? just do a search on "celine ac/dc" on YouTube, if you dare.

Please tell me it's Dirty Deeds!

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!

re: #92 Mad Al-Jaffee

I TOTALLY have. Hilarious. There was a 'worst cover song' on the radio last year, and the competitor with that was Britney Spears cover of a Rolling Stones song-it was horrible.

re: #81 Russkilitlover

I hate reading stormfront and Ron Paul forums. Unfortunately they are involved with the Tea Parties so I've been keeping an eye on them. Alos many of the DHS memo, Fema camp stories that are so popular with conservatives these days originate from Stormfront and Paulians. These conspiracies appear there about a week before they make it to mainstream conservative sites. I'm just getting a preview.
Crazy Pamela ran a story from an "inside source" that the Tea Parties infiltrated by the FBI. Alex Jones was pushing that story last week.

re: #97 WriterMom

As a blues musician who has gone to countless blues jams and open mics, I'm sure I have heard much worse in my time.

re: #96 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions!

Now be nice. He is into music. He "played until my fingers bled". Dedication!

re: #99 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh I'm sure you have. The twelve bar blues is one of the best things EVAH. I used to play bass.

re: #101 WriterMom

I used to play bass.

A lady like you would never be so bass as to do that!

Jock finds himself in dire trouble. His business has gone bust and he's in serious financial problems. He's so desperate that he decides to ask God for help. "God, please help me. Ah've lost ma wee store and if Ah dinna get some money, Ah'm going to lose my hoose too. Please let me win the lottery!"

Lottery night! Someone else wins... Jock prays again. "God, please let me win the lottery! Ah've lost my wee store, ma hoose and Ah'm going to lose ma car as weel!" Lottery night again! Still no luck.

Jock prays again: "Ah've lost ma business, ma hoose and ma car. Ma bairns are starving. Ah dinna often ask Ye for help and Ah have always been a good servant to Ye. PLEASE just let me win the lottery this one time so Ah can get back on ma feet!"

Suddenly there is a blinding flash as the heavens open and the voice of God Himself thunders: "Jock at least meet Me half way and buy a ticket!"

re: #72 SixDegrees

I agree, in theory. In practice, however, the problem is determining when you've extracted all the information, and in discerning which information is real. Torture may work for some individuals; it doesn't work for all, though, and often produces volumes of information that matches what the tortured thinks the torturer wants to hear, rather than truth.

In short, torture just isn't that effective at getting that information. And once the torturer has convinced themselves that their charge is withholding, at what point does it become apparent that they're wrong, in the inevitable cases where a mistake has been made? Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any interrogation techniques that cannot produce false positives, or that are completely effective at producing positives.

Finally, why the exclusion for citizens? There is no shortage of examples of home-grown terrorists. If a technique works, why hesitate to use it over a matter like citizenship?

I am morally sure of my position. It has to do with being willing to do all one can reasonably do to protect thousands of innocent citizens - even at the risk of failure and even though it will cause suffering to another human being.

re: #69 OldLineTexan

Read 507 in the last thread and let me know what I should think.

Honestly?

I think the squabbling is silly.

I think Killgore goes overboard sometimes with his points for the purpose of informing AND THEN ALSO for the purpose of stirring things up. Lots of discussion occurs, doesn't it? I think once I've "gotten" it, I can ignore his posts.

I think Killgore thinks differently than many of us here, and I think that after a discussion is done and everyone has put in their best possible $ .02, it is pointless to get into a squabble with him (or, anybody else) over things where no one is going to change their mind. Personally, I don't have that kind of time.

My .02.

Cops hate Chuck E-Cheezes. All those divorced parents coming together for the party - all those family feuds that happen to end up being there at the same time - all that annoying music!

re: #94 Semi Cartman

Amazing. Some of the most beautiful images I have ever seen. Thanks.

Not from me; thank FBV for posting those.

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My daughter works at "The Cheese".

It is
1. A license to print money.
2. An awful, awful place.

WARNING:Do not look at the underside of the tables at Chucky Cheese. Buggers galore. Kids pick their noses. Where do you think the buggers go? My friend did a remodel at one.

re: #104 Spare O'Lake

I am morally sure of my position. It has to do with being willing to do all one can reasonably do to protect thousands of innocent citizens - even at the risk of failure and even though it will cause suffering to another human being.

You cannot be certain that any technique applied will produce truthful information.

You cannot be certain that the person being tortured has any useful information in the first place.

There have to be limits on how far to go and when to stop.

I'm morally sure of my position, as well.

Why does Obama smile at dictators?

Suppose Obama succeeds in building friendships with Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad and the Taliban. What then? Does America still get to feel that it stands for something? Will we still be the beacon of liberty and freedom to the rest of the world, or will we have sold out in the name of political expediency? And do any of us seriously believe that presidential friendship is going to get a megalomaniac like Hugo Chavez to ease up on the levers of power, or are we just feeding his ego by showing him he can be a tyrant and still have a beer with the president of the United States? Will the Iranians really stop enriching uranium through diplomacy rather than economic sanctions?

re: #109 SixDegrees

You cannot be certain that any technique applied will produce truthful information.

You cannot be certain that the person being tortured has any useful information in the first place.

There have to be limits on how far to go and when to stop.

I'm morally sure of my position, as well.

When you are weighing one enemy combatant's well-being (and keep in mind we are not talking about death) against the lives of thousands of your innocent fellow citizens, the test should in my view not be certainty, but rather reasonable and probable grounds.
And yes, the limits are that you will not kill, cripple, dismember or mutilate the person.

Are there any lizards on today who have experience with hand coding? I have a Blogger template thats' a bit buggy, and I can't get it to work right.

re: #54 Dustyvet

The soldier the taliban can't kill

Wow, this guy could be luckier than this soldier. The Sun

HERO Colour Sergeant Alan Dennis is the man the Taliban just can’t kill — after surviving being blown up for a SECOND time.

Two years ago the career soldier escaped from the wreckage of his Land Rover in a roadside bomb attack that claimed the life of a comrade.

Now he has cheated death again in Afghanistan following a grenade attack.

Once again miracle man Alan,35, was hurled into the air — landing under rubble in a trench.

But despite arm injures he recovered to return fire on the enemy and lead his men to safety.[...]

A rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) blew up in front of him sending him flying through the air and slamming him down into a trench buried under rubble.

Undeterred by what he thought was a broken arm, and under a constant hail of bullets, he grabbed his rifle and returned fire until his men were safe.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

SOUNDS LIKE CONG. MEDAL OF HONOR WINNER TO ME.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — The California Republican Party and a Democratic state senator are denouncing as anti-Semitic an online poster that promoted last week's nationwide "tea parties."

[Link: www.dglobe.com...]

Bay Area Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty

re: #114 Perelandra

The image, posted on a Ron Paul supporter's site, depicted a bucket of money pouring through a funnel with a Star of David. The money transformed into a pool of blood in which a figure holding a Palestinian flag was drowning.

"Uncle Sam Reminds You: Keep Paying Taxes," the poster read in promoting an April 15 rally in San Mateo. "The ongoing extermination of Palestinian Children Can't be Done Without Your Help."

Ugh.

re: #114 Perelandra

The poster was on the "Bay Area Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty" Web site but can no longer be viewed publicly. The site organizer, Kathy McGrade, told The Associated Press in an e-mail Wednesday that no offense was intended but that the image "represents a point made by many people before: U.S. financial aid for the Israeli government which comes from U.S. taxpayers, funds the harsh handling, and sadly, the death of innocent Palestinians."

Yeesh!

re: #116 Killgore Trout

You can see the image here: Thanks Ron Paul!
Note: this is not a Paulian member who showed up with an offensive poster. THIS IS THE ORGANIZER!

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

They need a disclaimer: Warning,any attempt at elopement may prove fatal (courtesy of your local Taliban)

(psst... that's "booger". That other word is something a bf might do to someone that makes it hard to sit down)

Ah, Earth Day. Here's a cure for what ails us:

1) Nuclear disarmament: Detonate all of our weapons in the eastern Pacific makes the pacifists happy we no longer have nukes.
2) Global warming: Nuclear winter from above thereby halting run away global warming.
3) Dramatic population reduction due to nuclear winter causing massive deaths from starvation.

/sarc