The Furious Evolution of the Swine Flu Virus

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At the New York Times, Carl Zimmer has a fascinating — and frightening — article on the evolution of the swine flu virus, and the efforts of virologists to unlock its secrets: The 10 Genes of a Human Flu Virus, Furiously Evolving.

The current outbreak shows how complex and mysterious the evolution of viruses is. That complexity and mystery are all the more remarkable because a virus is life reduced to its essentials. A human influenza virus, for example, is a protein shell measuring about five-millionths of an inch across, with 10 genes inside. (We have about 20,000.)

Some viruses use DNA, like we do, to encode their genes. Others, like the influenza virus, use single-strand RNA. But viruses all have one thing in common, said Roland Wolkowicz, a molecular virologist at San Diego State University: they all reproduce by disintegrating and then reforming.

A human flu virus, for example, latches onto a cell in the lining of the nose or throat. It manipulates a receptor on the cell so that the cell engulfs it, whereupon the virus’s genes are released from its protein shell. The host cell begins making genes and proteins that spontaneously assemble into new viruses. “No other entity out there is able to do that,” Dr. Wolkowicz said. “To me, this is what defines a virus.”

The sheer number of viruses on Earth is beyond our ability to imagine. “In a small drop of water there are a billion viruses,” Dr. Wolkowicz said. Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans.

Viruses are also turning out to be astonishingly diverse. Shannon Williamson of the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Md., has been analyzing the genes of ocean viruses. A tank of 100 to 200 liters of sea water may hold 100,000 genetically distinct viruses. “We’re just scratching the surface of virus diversity,” Dr. Williamson said. “I think we’re going to be continually surprised.”

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335 comments
1 albusteve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:15:44am

we're surrounded and outnumbered

2 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:16:06am

Flu viruses are 6,000 years old, no more no less!

/sarc

3 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:17:00am

My Mom's chicken soup is not evolving fast enough

4 MrSilverDragon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:17:17am

Viral evolution is just g*d testing us, just like dinosaur bones.

/do I have to?

5 CIA Reject  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:17:28am
"A human flu virus, for example, latches onto a cell in the lining of the nose or throat. It manipulates a receptor on the cell so that the cell engulfs it, whereupon the virus’s genes are released from its protein shell. The host cell begins making genes and proteins that spontaneously assemble into new viruses ..."

Sounds like the same way liberal "thinking" is transmitted ...

6 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:18:12am

Virii are amazing things, IMHO. They are as close as one can get to actually observing evolution in action in a laboratory setting.

7 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:18:31am

The only thing that reassures me about viral evolution is that they become both more virulent AND less virulent by the same mechanisms. Just pray they become less virulent before you catch them!

8 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:18:42am

re: #1 albusteve

we're surrounded and outnumbered

We got the bastards right where we want 'em!

9 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:18:54am

re: #1 albusteve

we're surrounded and outnumbered

But were bigger!

Remember that next time your praying to the porcelain idol!

10 NonNativeTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:19:17am

Every year we have a new flu vaccine. Because, the flu virus
has evolved ,"changed" ,from one year to the next. Otherwise,
we would use the same vaccine year after year.

11 tackle  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:19:36am

There is a lot of speculation that many auto-immune disorders such as MS are also caused by a virus. I think they're more pervasive that previously thought.

12 Golem Akbar  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:19:47am

/Now I'm feeling sick...

13 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:20:13am

"Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans".

maybe the fishes hold the answer?

14 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:20:14am

You know what would stop this? Creationism in public schools. ///

15 world b. free  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:20:24am

If you really want to be scared, read "The Cobra Event."

16 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:20:53am

re: #11 tackle

There is a lot of speculation that many auto-immune disorders such as MS are also caused by a virus. I think they're more pervasive that previously thought.

Speculation is not science. Bring the evidence.

17 Dave the.....  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:21:18am
“We’re just scratching the surface of virus diversity,”

My employer and school tells me I need to celebrate diversity.

18 Altermite  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:21:29am

Honestly, her estimates are pretty low. A liter of water may hold as many as 40K different species, easily. Most of them different from those in a few grams of soil 200 meters away.

Some students at my school found an entirely new type of bacteriophage from a random soil sample this semester. And when I say entirely new- it really is. It represents a family that has been never been discovered before.

And this sort of discovery isn't uncommon

19 MrSilverDragon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:22:01am

re: #13 brookly red

"Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans".

maybe the fishes sea kittens hold the answer?

/PETA loon... oh wait, killing virii? HOW HORRIBLE, YOU MONSTER!

20 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:23:00am
A tank of 100 to 200 liters of sea water may hold 100,000 genetically distinct viruses. “We’re just scratching the surface of virus diversity,” Dr. Williamson said

But shouldn't we celebrate virus diversity?

21 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:23:18am

re: #17 Dave the.....

Curses!

22 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:05am
The sheer number of viruses on Earth is beyond our ability to imagine. “In a small drop of water there are a billion viruses,” Dr. Wolkowicz said. Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans.

Hell, that's even bigger than Obama's budget.
/

23 S'latch  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:08am

What? Evolution is a virus?

24 lawhawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:26am

Scientists are working furiously to figure out the current swine flu secrets, because many have read up on their history and know that some of the most recent pandemics, including the 1918 flu, were preceded by outbreaks of mild influenza.

H1N1 (aka swine flu) may be the predecessor to a more virulent and dangerous virus and the proper handling of this influenza outbreak is good practice to deal with further outbreaks, including should H5N1 reach pandemic proportions - or any other influenza that has higher than normal mortality rates.

The protections apply to all influenzas - washing hands, covering nose and mouth when sneezing, and staying home when symptoms show to reduce spread, etc. Oh, and getting vaccinated against the most common influenzas expected during the season.

It's common sense, but too many people don't worry about this stuff until we get media reports sensationalizing matters.

Let's not forget that 36,000 die in the US annually as a result of influenza, and anywhere from 5-20% of the population is sickened from the flu every year.

25 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:28am

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Curses!

No, no- viruses, OR. Viruses.

26 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:28am

re: #22 LGoPs

Hell, that's even bigger than Obama's budget.
/

for now...

27 lawhawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:46am

re: #13 brookly red

"Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans".

maybe the fishes hold the answer?

So long, and thanks for all the fish. /dolphins

28 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:24:54am

re: #18 Altermite

Honestly, her estimates are pretty low. A liter of water may hold as many as 40K different species, easily. Most of them different from those in a few grams of soil 200 meters away.

Some students at my school found an entirely new type of bacteriophage from a random soil sample this semester. And when I say entirely new- it really is. It represents a family that has been never been discovered before.

And this sort of discovery isn't uncommon


Hurry up, find the bacteriophage that makes oil!

;-)

29 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:25:51am

re: #13 brookly red

"Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans".

maybe the fishes hold the answer?

I say tax the little buggers, imagine the revenue off a million trillion trillion!

30 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #23 Lawrence Schmerel

What? A virus is proof of evolution.

FTFY

31 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #29 Desert Dog

I say tax the little buggers, imagine the revenue off a million trillion trillion!

Hmm...maybe that's why Obama is going after off-shore accounts.

32 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:26:38am

re: #1 albusteve

we're surrounded and outnumbered

“We're paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded”

33 Gang of One  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:26:43am

Really, who or what has time to intelligently design virii?

/Is that a designer virus you got there?

34 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:26:53am

I wonder if viruses ever get a virus?

35 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:27:23am

re: #19 MrSilverDragon

/PETA loon... oh wait, killing virii? HOW HORRIBLE, YOU MONSTER!

Sea kittens taste best with a slice of bacon through the center, covered with garlic butter, wrapped in tin foil, and covered with hot coals until fully cooked. Serve with camp potatoes and corn on the cob.
BRB. Hungry.

36 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #24 lawhawk

Scientists are working furiously to figure out the current swine flu secrets, because many have read up on their history and know that some of the most recent pandemics, including the 1918 flu, were preceded by outbreaks of mild influenza.

H1N1 (aka swine flu) may be the predecessor to a more virulent and dangerous virus and the proper handling of this influenza outbreak is good practice to deal with further outbreaks, including should H5N1 reach pandemic proportions - or any other influenza that has higher than normal mortality rates.

The protections apply to all influenzas - washing hands, covering nose and mouth when sneezing, and staying home when symptoms show to reduce spread, etc. Oh, and getting vaccinated against the most common influenzas expected during the season.

It's common sense, but too many people don't worry about this stuff until we get media reports sensationalizing matters.

Let's not forget that 36,000 die in the US annually as a result of influenza, and anywhere from 5-20% of the population is sickened from the flu every year.

Why people don't get a flu shot is beyond me. Even if it doesn't work 100%, I'd welcome any reduction in the chance of catching the flu.

FLU SUCKS!

37 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:27:48am

re: #33 Gang of One

Really, who or what has time to intelligently design virii?

/Is that a designer virus you got there?

the struggle for life, even at that small level

38 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:27:51am

re: #32 experiencedtraveller

“We're paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded”

"The enemy's got us surrounded. The poor bastards."

39 tackle  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:28:50am

There have been scientific studies.
Link between Epstien Barr and MS
Also from NeroEpidemiology (PDF)

Although the etiology of multiple sclerosis is as yet unknown, epidemiological observations strongly point toward one or more infectious agent(s) being involved in the disease. In recent years some studies have indicated involvement of retrovirus in multiple sclerosis (MS).
40 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:28:53am

re: #32 experiencedtraveller

“We're paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded”

Just watched that episode of BoB last night. Gives me chills thinking about how brave those guys were

41 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:29:12am

21:21 Peres now meeting with U.S. President Obama in Washington (Haaretz)

Yawn!

42 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:29:21am

re: #17 Dave the.....

My employer and school tells me I need to celebrate diversity.

I celebrate Diversity.

43 tackle  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #24 lawhawk

H1N1 (aka swine flu)


I prefer "hamthrax".

44 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:30:06am

Hey hey hey hey,
It was the DNA
Hey hey hey hey,
That made me this way.

45 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:30:23am

This is an infectious topic..........
/

46 JustABill  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:30:27am

re: #34 LGoPs

I wonder if viruses ever get a virus?

Since a virus doesn't have any mechanism to replicate genetic material outside of a host cell, while they might catch another virus, it wouldn't be able to spread.

47 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:30:33am

re: #35 Idle Drifter

Sea kittens taste best with a slice of bacon through the center, covered with garlic butter, wrapped in tin foil, and covered with hot coals until fully cooked. Serve with camp potatoes and corn on the cob.
BRB. Hungry.

sleepy sea kittens resting on a bed of rice :)

48 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:03am

The virii are all there to protect us from evil, invading space monsters! War of the Worlds was right!

/

49 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #11 tackle

There is a lot of speculation that many auto-immune disorders such as MS are also caused by a virus. I think they're more pervasive that previously thought.

I don't think the research shows viruses "cause" autoimmune disorders. I think the theory is that infection with the viruses are likely "triggers" of autoimmune disorders.

50 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:25am

re: #44 Racer X

Hey hey hey hey,
It was the DNA
Hey hey hey hey,
That made me this way.

Your parents got the DNA cross wired, with you Racer.///

51 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:28am

It is issues precisely like this where the agendas of the anti-evolutionists and the anti-vaxers become more than annoying, but downright dangerous. When illnesses begin to evolve and the population isn't inoculated against it, or educated enough to treat it- thousands, perhaps millions will die.

52 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #47 brookly red

sleepy sea kittens resting on a bed of rice :)

What are sea kittens? I see it all the time but missed the original reference......

53 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:39am

I feel so inarticulate.

54 aggieann  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:31:56am

re: #16 Erik The Red

Speculation is not science. Bring the evidence.

Here's a start:
Study Links Virus, Heart Disease

Bacteria, Viruses Can Cause Infectious Arthritis

55 JohnnyReb  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:32:12am

re: #36 simonml

Why people don't get a flu shot is beyond me. Even if it doesn't work 100%, I'd welcome any reduction in the chance of catching the flu.

FLU SUCKS!

You never hear about military people dying from the flu, because.......All military personnel are required to get the annual flu shot, with limited exceptions.

You are gambling if you are over 50 or have a serious medical condition by not getting a flu shot.

56 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:32:38am

re: #34 LGoPs

I wonder if viruses ever get a virus?

They do swap genetic material fairly easily. One factor in their high mutation rate. So in a sense, yes.

57 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:32:42am

re: #52 LGoPs

What are sea kittens? I see it all the time but missed the original reference......

fish, PETA style...

58 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:33:42am
59 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:33:53am
San Diego State University

Woohoo! Shout out to my fellow spAztecs.

60 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:34:13am
Some viruses use DNA, like we do, to encode their genes

I learn sumpin' new every day here at LGF. I always thought that virii, by definition, were just a snippet of RNA with a protein coat.

61 tackle  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #49 simonml

I don't think the research shows viruses "cause" autoimmune disorders. I think the theory is that infection with the viruses are likely "triggers" of autoimmune disorders.

Yes, that's an important clairification.

62 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:34:26am
63 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #49 simonml

I don't think the research shows viruses "cause" autoimmune disorders. I think the theory is that infection with the viruses are likely "triggers" of autoimmune disorders.

re: #49 simonml

I don't think the research shows viruses "cause" autoimmune disorders. I think the theory is that infection with the viruses are likely "triggers" of autoimmune disorders.

* * * *
Some of us have herpes simplex virus IN our bodies, just waiting to activate, mutate & multiply at exam times or other stressful times.

Others have the shingles (Herpes Zoster) virus resident in our bodies, ready to activate & mutate & multiply.

We & viruses go back long time.

64 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:34:39am
65 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:35:08am

re: #55 JohnnyReb

You never hear about military people dying from the flu, because.......All military personnel are required to get the annual flu shot, with limited exceptions.

You are gambling if you are over 50 or have a serious medical condition by not getting a flu shot.

Never had a flu shot and never intend to get a flu shot. Everyone that I work with that has had a flu shot got sick. This comes after 12 years of working with these guys. Same thing every year. Oh I am 56+

66 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:35:29am

re: #51 Sharmuta

It is issues precisely like this where the agendas of the anti-evolutionists and the anti-vaxers become more than annoying, but downright dangerous. When illnesses begin to evolve and the population isn't inoculated against it, or educated enough to treat it- thousands, perhaps millions will die.

The problem is many will recognize this evolution in a virus but will carry on denying it in human development.

67 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:35:46am

I heard recently that viruses make up about 50% of our own DNA.

True?

68 Miss Molly  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:01am

How do you write out the number million trillion,trillion? I don't think I know how to do that. In any case, I guess if there are that many viruses in the ocean there will be no way to stomp them out.

69 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:21am

re: #58 momcat

Dom Delouise has passed away

Bless his soul and pray god gives the pall bearers the strength of ten men.

(What? He would have laughed at that.)

70 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:29am

Elizabeth Edwards interview with Oprah: 'No idea' if John Edwards fathered Rielle Hunter's baby

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

I guess they talk alot at home ha? That must be a real friendly atmosphere?

71 Altermite  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #28 jcm

How about an alga?
Although I don't like his attempts to patent bits of the human genome as a for-profit corporation, he is an incredible geneticist.

72 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #59 CyanSnowHawk

San Diego State University
Woohoo! Shout out to my fellow spAztecs.

I'd have to wonder about any university that believes San Diego is a "state".

/

73 aggieann  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #63 alegrias

* * * *
Some of us have herpes simplex virus IN our bodies, just waiting to activate, mutate & multiply at exam times or other stressful times.

Others have the shingles (Herpes Zoster) virus resident in our bodies, ready to activate & mutate & multiply.

We & viruses go back long time.

Cold Sore Virus Might Play Role In Alzheimer's

74 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:36:53am

re: #65 Steve

Never had a flu shot and never intend to get a flu shot. Everyone that I work with that has had a flu shot got sick. This comes after 12 years of working with these guys. Same thing every year. Oh I am 56+

That's terrible evidence of the efficacy of the flu shot. You likely have never gotten sick b/c the rest of us are getting flu shots. You're welcome

75 CIA Reject  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:37:07am

re: #68 Miss Molly

How do you write out the number million trillion,trillion? I don't think I know how to do that. In any case, I guess if there are that many viruses in the ocean there will be no way to stomp them out.

Call the plane Billy ...

76 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:37:13am

re: #67 Racer X

I heard recently that viruses make up about 50% of our own DNA.

True?

There are a number of retro-viruses in our DNA.

77 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:37:41am

re: #65 Steve

Never had a flu shot and never intend to get a flu shot. Everyone that I work with that has had a flu shot got sick. This comes after 12 years of working with these guys. Same thing every year. Oh I am 56+

I get a flu shot every year and like clockwork, about a month later I get sick as a dog.
But I'll probably keep getting them anyway.....

78 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:37:44am

White lightening clears up lots of viruses and bacteria. Does a pretty good job of taking out livers too. /

79 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:12am

It is my understanding that there is no known way to kill off ANY virus in the human body - there is only the chance your body's defenses will make the virus dormant.

80 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #51 Sharmuta

It is issues precisely like this where the agendas of the anti-evolutionists and the anti-vaxers become more than annoying, but downright dangerous. When illnesses begin to evolve and the population isn't inoculated against it, or educated enough to treat it- thousands, perhaps millions will die.

* * * *
Let's also not let off the hook, educated rich people who refuse to believe unprotected sex with strangers is RISK FREE.

This week I'm involved with a continuing medical education course "Improving the Management of HIV Diseases: An Advanced Course in HIV Pathogenesis, Antiretrovirals, and Other Selected Issues in HIV Disease"

Many smart people who are urbane, educated & rich, IGNORE how unsafe sex exposes them to viruses' deadly consequences.

Smart people also act stupidly and contract viruses.

81 Big Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:29am

re: #65 Steve

Never had a flu shot and never intend to get a flu shot. Everyone that I work with that has had a flu shot got sick. This comes after 12 years of working with these guys. Same thing every year. Oh I am 56+

From one Steve to another.....I used to think the same way (age 52) until a couple of years ago when I caught the flu......I was sick as a dog for a week and it took two months before I was back fully to normal. Now I waltz the flu shots every time.

82 CIA Reject  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:33am

re: #76 Sharmuta

There are a number of retro-viruses in our DNA.

Viruses from the 1970's? YIKES! ! !

83 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #66 Erik The Red

The problem is many will recognize this evolution in a virus but will carry on denying it in human development.

It's their agenda of undermining science education where this will lead to deathly results.

84 MrSilverDragon  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #67 Racer X

I heard recently that viruses make up about 50% of our own DNA.

True?

I remember reading that there are parts of the mapped DNA that show historical virii that have affected human beings. Not sure of the percentage, though.

85 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:39:19am

I've never gotten a flu shot. No good reason for not doing it, I suppose. I will note I only get the flu once in a blue moon.

86 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #54 aggieann

Here's a start:
Study Links Virus, Heart Disease

Bacteria, Viruses Can Cause Infectious Arthritis

Thanks for the links. All I see are two articles from 2002. NO MEDICAL STUDIES that back this up.

87 tackle  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #73 aggieann

Cold Sore Virus Might Play Role In Alzheimer's


Aw crap. Hate coldsores.

88 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:39:34am

re: #68 Miss Molly

How do you write out the number million trillion,trillion?

That's where scientific notation comes in:

1 E 24

89 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:39:47am

re: #38 LGoPs

"The enemy's got us surrounded. The poor bastards."

“We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.”

90 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:01am

re: #67 Racer X

I heard recently that viruses make up about 50% of our own DNA.

True?


Tiny Specks of Misery, Both Vile and Useful

“Viral elements are a large part of the genetic material of almost all organisms,” said Dr. Sharp, who won a Nobel Prize for elucidating details of our genetic code. Base for nucleic base, he said, “we humans are well over 50 percent viral.”
91 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:17am

re: #85 Occasional Reader

I've never gotten a flu shot. No good reason for not doing it, I suppose. I will note I only get the flu once in a blue moon.

3.3 times a year?

/Don't forget that thread we talked about the frequency of blue moons!

92 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #80 alegrias

Let's also not let off the hook, educated rich people who refuse to believe unprotected sex with strangers is RISK FREE.

So you're saying unprotected sex with strangers IS risk free?

WHOO-HOO!

/

93 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:28am

re: #28 jcm

Hurry up, find the bacteriophage that makes oil!

;-)

Algae makes oil. No need for a stupid bacteriophage that will evolve out of it and become useless.

94 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #74 simonml

That's terrible evidence of the efficacy of the flu shot. You likely have never gotten sick b/c the rest of us are getting flu shots. You're welcome

So all I have to do is be around people who have had the flu shot. Save my money and never get the flu. Works for me.

We passed two-way radios between each other during shift change. These guys were hacking and coughing and sneezing for at least three days.

95 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:40am

re: #68 Miss Molly

How do you write out the number million trillion,trillion? I don't think I know how to do that. In any case, I guess if there are that many viruses in the ocean there will be no way to stomp them out.

Ask the Democrats. They're working on it right now.
I think it's a 1 followed by an Obama.

96 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #70 Nevergiveup

Elizabeth Edwards interview with Oprah: 'No idea' if John Edwards fathered Rielle Hunter's baby

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

I guess they talk alot at home ha? That must be a real friendly atmosphere?

* * * **
A simple DNA paternity would tell John Edwards' wife the truth.
What, the smart lawyer Elizabeth Edwards doesn't believe in DNA tests?
Bwa ha ha, that's rich.

Remember, if Edwards had been elected President or Vice, the lame would walk. Yet she doesn't know how paternity tests work.

97 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:41:04am

re: #91 simonml

3.3 times a year?

/Don't forget that thread we talked about the frequency of blue moons!

Ahhh, shaddup!

98 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #95 LGoPs

Ask the Democrats. They're working on it right now.
I think it's a 1 followed by an Obama.

It's the number one to the power of Obama........
/

99 Egregious Philbin  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:41:33am

Its not evolution, its Satan!

Answers in Genitals told me!

100 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #82 CIA Reject

Viruses from the 1970's? YIKES! ! !

And the 50's GEE WHIZ! /

101 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:41:42am
102 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:12am

re: #94 Steve

So all I have to do is be around people who have had the flu shot. Save my money and never get the flu. Works for me.

We passed two-way radios between each other during shift change. These guys were hacking and coughing and sneezing for at least three days.

Haha! That's one theory. No one ever called it a good theory, but so long as you understand the risk of getting the flu.

Also, the flu shot does NOT cause the flu. At the very least you can accuse it of not preventing the flu, but never of causing it.

103 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:23am

re: #73 aggieann

Cold Sore Virus Might Play Role In Alzheimer's

Another article. Link to the actual study paper.

104 NonNativeTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:28am

re: #51 Sharmuta

It is issues precisely like this where the agendas of the anti-evolutionists and the anti-vaxers become more than annoying, but downright dangerous. When illnesses begin to evolve and the population isn't inoculated against it, or educated enough to treat it- thousands, perhaps millions will die.

I don't believe you should link creationist with anti-vaxers.
Most of the high profile anti-vaxers aren't creationist.
I've been around creationist all of my life, Oklahoma and Texas,
and I have never met or known anyone who did not believe
in getting vaccinated or getting their children vaccinated.

105 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:46am

re: #80 alegrias

Having an education doesn't mean a person has common sense.

But that's a good point- the AIDS virus is also evolving, as I assume other viruses are too. Like improved hygiene with the flu virus, there are easy ways to protect ourselves from some viruses- like not engaging in risky sex.

106 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:55am

re: #73 aggieann

Cold Sore Virus Might Play Role In Alzheimer's

* * * *
Thank you for that link, my mom is getting Alzheimy & always had cold sores.

107 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:42:59am
they all reproduce by disintegrating and then reforming.

Which seems to be the current path for the GOP.

/ducks

108 Miss Molly  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:43:22am

charles-martel No scientific notation. I want to see the number written out and then we can compare it later to the Obama budget. And of course Obama will blame it on others.

109 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:43:30am
I think it's a 1 followed by an Obama.

better answer than mine....

110 beens21  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:44:38am

I remember a quote years ago, I think from Buck. Fuller,half jokingly, that humans and mammals are on this planet to serve as DNA hosts for virus evolution.

111 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #96 alegrias

Remember, if Edwards had been elected President or Vice, the lame would walk. Yet she doesn't know how paternity tests work.

Edwqrds was obviously demonstrating to his mistress what stem cells could do and exactly what kind of stem they came from. /

112 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #83 Sharmuta

It's their agenda of undermining science education where this will lead to deathly results.

Exactly. Anti-vaxers will kill you now by denying the vaccine, creationists will kill you later by removing the means to create the vaccine.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:45:19am

re: #82 CIA Reject

Viruses from the 1970's? YIKES! ! !

They wear loud bell-bottoms and have long hair.

114 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:45:25am

re: #104 NonNativeTexan

I happen to know a creationist/anti-vaxer. Some of these folks may not always hold both views, but both of these views are together going to be dangerous to public health- and in the case of the anti-vaxers, they already are.

115 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:45:27am

re: #79 Racer X

It is my understanding that there is no known way to kill off ANY virus in the human body - there is only the chance your body's defenses will make the virus dormant.

* * * *
Antiretrovirals are now used to stop the virus reproduction, or deactivate them.

Viruses are so primitive, yet outsmart us in their simple reproductive method.

116 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:33am

re: #82 CIA Reject

Viruses from the 1970's? YIKES! ! !

Don't worry. They inevitably self-destruct through simultaneous stagnation and inflation.

117 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #108 Miss Molly

let's see......
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

just slap a dollars sign on it and you'll make a demoncrat happy.
oops, I meant democrat.

118 CIA Reject  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:46am

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

They wear loud bell-bottoms and have long hair.

You're givin' me flashbacks man ...

*shudder*

119 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:46:56am

re: #92 Occasional Reader

So you're saying unprotected sex with strangers IS risk free?

WHOO-HOO!

/

* * * *
Oops, my mistake.

Smart people have unprotected sex with strangers while denying viruses' dangers.

120 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:12am

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

and all they do is replicate all day.

121 nikis-knight  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

I learn sumpin' new every day here at LGF. I always thought that virii, by definition, were just a snippet of RNA with a protein coat.

Probably scoped by now, but those are retroviruses, a minority of virus types, I believe.

122 CIA Reject  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #116 Occasional Reader

Don't worry. They inevitably self-destruct through simultaneous stagnation and inflation.

Easily killed by exposure to peanut oil eh?

123 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:47:58am

Give any medical researcher enough money and time and they will find a link for any dysfunction to any product or disease. Who is paying the bills will get what they want.

124 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #64 momcat

laughter in heaven, tears on earth

Dom gets my "Chuckles the Clown" tribute. I've laughed myself to tears watching him.

125 Miss Molly  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:48:26am

charles-martel. Thanks for writing it out. Think how happy that number must make Nancy Pelosi everytime she looks at that wondering where to spend it first.

126 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49:03am

re: #47 brookly red

sleepy sea kittens resting on a bed of rice :)

Some curious oysters sound good too! >:)

127 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49:12am

"Language is a virus from outer space" -William S. Burroughs

128 NonNativeTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #114 Sharmuta

The point isn't that some of these folks may not hold both views.
It is my contention that the majority of these people do not
hold both views. That is why they are not linked.

129 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #121 nikis-knight

Probably scoped by now, but those are retroviruses, a minority of virus types, I believe.

Then we need to improve their representation in the virus community throught affirmative action!

130 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:50:07am

OT, but interesting, as this is during the budget negotiations:

House Democrats seek $94.2 billion in emergency funds

If there's an "emergency", that's one thing. Items like the war(s), funding influenza research, additional C-17's, and so forth, are known entities. Modify the budget request if needs be.

When everything is an emergency, there's no need for a budget, right Dems?

It's like me declaring everything, mortgage, utilities, food, etc. an "emergency", so I don't have to be fiscally responsible by creating a budget and sticking to it.

131 KansasMom  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:50:47am

re: #77 LGoPs

I get a flu shot every year and like clockwork, about a month later I get sick as a dog.
But I'll probably keep getting them anyway.....

Same thing with me AND my kids, only we usually catch something about a week later. Usually something nasty that puts keeps me home from work and the kids home from school/daycare. I have to wonder if my immunity to illnesses NOT covered by the flu shot is lowered while my body is building resistance to the flu from the shot. I asked a doctor about this once and he gave me the this-woman-is-crazy look and told me I can't catch the flu from the shot.
KansasDad never has any trouble, gets his shot every year. And then has to take care of the rest of us when we get sick!

132 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:50:50am

re: #122 CIA Reject

Easily killed by exposure to peanut oil eh?

Only if it's from Plains, Georgia.

133 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:51:15am

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Then we need to improve their representation in the virus community throught affirmative action!

I snezze in your general direction :)

134 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:51:16am

re: #119 alegrias

* * * *
Oops, my mistake.

Smart people have unprotected sex with strangers while denying viruses' dangers.

Crap... NOW you tell me.

Okay, Bambi, Ashley, and Toots - you heard alegrias. Hit the road.

135 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:51:18am

re: #128 NonNativeTexan

The point isn't that some of these folks may not hold both views.
It is my contention that the majority of these people do not
hold both views. That is why they are not linked.

The point is that both groups are fucknuts that are endangering society.

136 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #107 Occasional Reader

Which seems to be the current path for the GOP.

/ducks

* * *
Good strategy, works for viruses, why not the GOP?

Obama's supporters went viral and put him over the top in 2008, and we know many of them can't' read or write.

(I passed ignorant looking ACORNistas Unionistas muscling pubic housing dem voters in our city council election today here in Alexandria, VA.)

137 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:37am

re: #120 charles_martel

and all they do is replicate all day.

And the 70's retroviruses enjoy drugs.

138 NonNativeTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:38am

re: #135 Erik The Red

Oh,,, Ok.

139 nikis-knight  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:43am

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Then we need to improve their representation in the virus community throught affirmative action!

I'd say they have it; the most famus virus is a retro virus.

140 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #102 simonml

Haha! That's one theory. No one ever called it a good theory, but so long as you understand the risk of getting the flu.

Also, the flu shot does NOT cause the flu. At the very least you can accuse it of not preventing the flu, but never of causing it.

I never cause it either. Not sick ;-P

It does not bother me is people want to get the flu shot, their personal choice. I just note that when they get it they get sick.

Sometimes I wonder if the fact that I had received allergy shots from the time I was 8 years old til I was in my mid 20's might have something to do with it. eems like comparing apples to oranges but it just a thought.

141 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:53:08am

re: #134 Occasional Reader

Crap... NOW you tell me.

Okay, Bambi, Ashley, and Toots - you heard alegrias. Hit the road.

if you know their names then they ain't strangers.

142 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #130 subsailor68

Note that it also includes "emergency money for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan." So, are we allowed to sneeringly ask whether Obama will be sending Sasha and Malia to fight, like the left did regarding the Bush daughters?

143 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:53:59am

re: #131 KansasMom

Same thing with me AND my kids, only we usually catch something about a week later. Usually something nasty that puts keeps me home from work and the kids home from school/daycare. I have to wonder if my immunity to illnesses NOT covered by the flu shot is lowered while my body is building resistance to the flu from the shot. I asked a doctor about this once and he gave me the this-woman-is-crazy look and told me I can't catch the flu from the shot.
KansasDad never has any trouble, gets his shot every year. And then has to take care of the rest of us when we get sick!

Its an interesting thought, but very doubtful. Considering we are essentially "bombarded" by billions (or even trillions) of viruses and bacteria daily, the introduction of the influenza vaccine does not likely lower your immunity to other illnesses. Probably more likely related to being in the doctor's office with all those sick people! :-)

144 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:54:03am

re: #131 KansasMom

The main problem with flu vaccines is that they don't cover all the potential flu virii that could be present in any one flu season. Unlike polio, MMR, etc, flu seems to be able to mutate and evolve very rapidly. What that means is that there may be a new flu virus out there that was not put into that year's flu vaccine. It's the reason why some folks who take a flu vaccine get sick from the flu. It's a flu virus not in the vaccine.

145 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:54:59am

re: #135 Erik The Red

The point is that both groups are fucknuts that are endangering society.

* * * *
You can't very well write them off and "deactivate" them from society.

We must attack the problem, not the people.

146 Sabnen  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:55:01am

re: #123 Erik The Red

Give any medical researcher enough money and time and they will find a link for any dysfunction to any product or disease. Who is paying the bills will get what they want.

How much does it cost to cure liberalism?

147 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

And the 70's retroviruses enjoy drugs.

Drugs, Replication, an Rock n Roll!

148 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:00am

re: #128 NonNativeTexan

But they are linked in that both are anti-science. Sorry if it bothers you, but it's the truth.

149 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:02am

re: #147 charles_martel

Drugs, Replication, an Rock n Roll!

* * * *
Viruses are promiscuous, like the 1960s.

150 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:12am

Lunchtime. Got to run and have lunch with my eight year old.
It is a dad rule.

151 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:14am

re: #146 Sabnen

How much does it cost to cure liberalism?

/depends on your tax bracket...

152 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:36am

re: #140 Steve

I never cause it either. Not sick ;-P

It does not bother me is people want to get the flu shot, their personal choice. I just note that when they get it they get sick.

Sometimes I wonder if the fact that I had received allergy shots from the time I was 8 years old til I was in my mid 20's might have something to do with it. eems like comparing apples to oranges but it just a thought.

Hm, now THAT'S an interesting theory. That could be it. I'll see if I can't dig up any research on the topic.

Just so everyone knows, the flu shot saves lives. That's a fact

153 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:39am

OT: Do Pakistan's leaders lack an instinct for survival?

This week, President Barack Obama declared that he was "gravely concerned" about the stability of Pakistan's government. And with good reason. As Obama expressed his concerns, ... the Pakistani Army was engaged in heavy combat with Taliban forces near the town of Ambala, just 60 miles from Islamabad. After previously ignoring the Taliban's seizure of Buner district, the seemingly passive-aggressive Pakistani government responded with airstrikes and helicopter gunship attacks against several Taliban-held villages.

U.S. officials seem baffled by a Pakistani government that does not appear to take the Taliban threat very seriously. When the Pakistani Army finally does move, its response frequently includes artillery and airstrikes against Taliban forces mixed into civilian areas, a highly questionable counterinsurgency tactic.

On April 23, David Kilcullen, one of Gen. David Petraeus's top counterinsurgency advisors in Iraq ...testified on the situation to the House Armed Services Committee, which is considering a bill to increase aid to Pakistan. Kilcullen unloaded a broadside on the Pakistani government for its incompetence and duplicity. After reviewing a long list of government failures and Taliban successes, Kilcullen summed up with this scathing assertion:

Suffice to say that there is overwhelming evidence of:

* a Pakistani civilian government that does not control its own national security establishment,

* security services that have been complicit in allowing the takeover of parts of the country by militants,

* direct or indirect sponsorship of international terrorism by elements of the Pakistani national security establishment,

* ongoing support by the same national security establishment for insurgents who are killing Americans in Afghanistan, and

* a militant movement that is growing in reach and intensity week by week.

This has occurred during the same time period when we have given the Pakistani military $10 billion dollars for what this bill describes as "invaluable" assistance and partnership against extremism and terrorism. U.S. officials, including members of Congress contemplating foreign-aid requests, should not assume that the Pakistani government, or at least significant parts of it, are allied with the United States and its interests. Some measure of duplicity has always been a feature of international alliances, but the Pakistani government's seemingly casual indifference to the Taliban's progress toward Islamabad appears completely illogical.

154 Sabnen  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:56:47am

I get a flu shot every year and have no problems.

155 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #142 Occasional Reader

Note that it also includes "emergency money for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan." So, are we allowed to sneeringly ask whether Obama will be sending Sasha and Malia to fight, like the left did regarding the Bush daughters?

"Bye dears. Be sure to stay low and serpentine."

156 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:07am

re: #146 Sabnen

How much does it cost to cure liberalism?

* * * *
It takes a virus of the elephant sort!

157 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:14am

re: #145 alegrias

* * * *
You can't very well write them off and "deactivate" them from society.

We must attack the problem, not the people.

The problem is the people. The people that teach our kids and the people we elected into office.

158 nikis-knight  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:49am

re: #154 Sabnen

I get a flu shot every year and have no problems.


Wow, that's quite a testimonial! I might as well get one, then, I've been having arguements with the wife and trouble paying rent.
/

159 NonNativeTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #148 Sharmuta

It doesn't bother me , personally. But in your post you implied
creationist = anti vaccine, and that isn't the truth.

160 Altermite  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #156 alegrias

* * * *
It takes a virus of the elephant sort!

I am incredibly tempted to make a pun about the rhinovirus.

161 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:08am

re: #155 subsailor68

"Bye dears. Be sure to stay low and serpentine."

/like your farther...

162 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:08am

re: #146 Sabnen

How much does it cost to cure liberalism?

Add ? to 44's stimulus plan.

163 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:12am

re: #117 charles_martel

let's see......
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

just slap a dollars sign on it and you'll make a demoncrat happy.
oops, I meant democrat.

That's 1 trillion trillion. 1 million trillion trillion is 1E30.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

164 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #150 Steve

That's a very good rule.

165 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:18am

re: #159 NonNativeTexan

I'm not sure which part of my listing both separately with an "and" you missed.

166 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #159 NonNativeTexan

It doesn't bother me , personally. But in your post you implied
creationist = anti vaccine, and that isn't the truth.

BOTH ARE ANTI SCIENCE.

167 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:00:44pm

re: #163 CyanSnowHawk

You're right! I stand corrected. I forgot the Billion. Must be the Pelosi in me....

168 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:05pm

re: #160 Altermite

I am incredibly tempted to make a pun about the rhinovirus.

What would happen if we let a rhinovirus loose in the hippocampus?

169 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:52pm

re: #167 charles_martel

You're right! I stand corrected. I forgot the Billion. Must be the Pelosi in me....

Eww

170 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #150 Steve

Lunchtime. Got to run and have lunch with my eight year old.
It is a dad rule.

Okay, but not at the strip joint!

171 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:00pm

Iran Launches Airstrikes on Iraqi Villages

[Link: www.wired.com...]

In February, American fighter jets shot down an Iranian drone flying over Iraq. Such an incursion would’ve likely provoked an angry response from the previous administration. But the reaction to the drone incident was muted — perhaps in the interest of keeping the dialogue with Tehran going.

Hum?

172 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

What would happen if we let a rhinovirus loose in the hippocampus?

A recipe for an aphrodisiac?

173 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #160 Altermite

I am incredibly tempted to make a pun about the rhinovirus.

They need to be expelled from the GOP, right?

174 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Okay, but not at the strip joint!

Why not?///

175 KansasMom  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #143 simonml

Its an interesting thought, but very doubtful. Considering we are essentially "bombarded" by billions (or even trillions) of viruses and bacteria daily, the introduction of the influenza vaccine does not likely lower your immunity to other illnesses. Probably more likely related to being in the doctor's office with all those sick people! :-)

That's very possible, especially for the kids. I usually get my shot at work though. Maybe I would get sick around that time of year regardless. I get the shot every year so I don't know if I would or not.

176 Spare O'Lake  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:03:18pm

Viral evolution is pure evil.
Zimmer's article illustrates this reality, and makes it clear that a caring, merciful God would have no part of this vile process.
Mankind would be so much healthier without evolution.
God Damn Evolution!
/ubersarc/

177 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:03:31pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

What would happen if we let a rhinovirus loose in the hippocampus?

Elephino?

178 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Iran Launches Airstrikes on Iraqi Villages

[Link: www.wired.com...]

In February, American fighter jets shot down an Iranian drone flying over Iraq. Such an incursion would’ve likely provoked an angry response from the previous administration. But the reaction to the drone incident was muted — perhaps in the interest of keeping the dialogue with Tehran going.

Hum?

We cannot respond to a clenched fist with more violence, it just perpetuates the cycle of violence.

/ The One.

179 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup
Testing... Testing... 0, 0, 0.

180 lawhawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:19pm

re: #101 momcat

Dom Deluise
Blazing Saddlesyou sir will be missed!

Indeed.

(features Bea Arthur, Gregory Hines, and others...)
181 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #171 Nevergiveup

Iran Launches Airstrikes on Iraqi Villages

[Link: www.wired.com...]

In February, American fighter jets shot down an Iranian drone flying over Iraq. Such an incursion would’ve likely provoked an angry response from the previous administration. But the reaction to the drone incident was muted — perhaps in the interest of keeping the dialogue with Tehran going.

Hum?

As much as I hate in any way defending Iran, some of the problem is that the villages being attacked are Kurdish villages being used as bases for the Kurds to attack Iran, something they shouldn't be doing.
But we (or Iraq) should be stopping the Kurds, not leaving it up to Iran.

182 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:05:27pm

re: #174 Erik The Red

Why not?///

8 year olds are lousy tippers and the dancers will resent them.

183 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:06:04pm

re: #173 Sharmuta

They need to be expelled from the GOP, right?

* * * *
You can't, rhinoviruses stay with us, in our noses' tissues.

Face it, viruses are PRIMITIVE and evolved to successfully live in and off of organisms such as we humans.

They are invasive and can stand down until activated.

Viruses are totalitarians that take over their HOSTS, in order to live.

184 Last Mohican  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #177 DaddyG

Elephino?

I'm thinking the answer might have been elephantiasis.

/Channeling "Match Game"

185 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:06:48pm

re: #181 Kosh's Shadow

As much as I hate in any way defending Iran, some of the problem is that the villages being attacked are Kurdish villages being used as bases for the Kurds to attack Iran, something they shouldn't be doing.
But we (or Iraq) should be stopping the Kurds, not leaving it up to Iran.

And, Iran is/was supplying and training the scumbums that were launching deadly IED attacks on our guys. We should send them some molten lead back as repayment.

186 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:07:10pm

re: #182 CyanSnowHawk

8 year olds are lousy tippers and the dancers will resent them.

And they think it's a fire pole.

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #183 alegrias

Face it, viruses are PRIMITIVE

Yeah, Sharmuta, face it! Why do you refuse to face that simple fact?! What the hell is wrong with you?!

/

188 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #183 alegrias

* * * *
You can't, rhinoviruses stay with us, in our noses' tissues.

Face it, viruses are PRIMITIVE and evolved to successfully live in and off of organisms such as we humans.

They are invasive and can stand down until activated.

Viruses are totalitarians that take over their HOSTS, in order to live.

Sounds like Democrats.

189 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:07:58pm

The economy has recovered!

Obama, Biden wait in line to buy hamburgers

ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) — It's like this: When you want a burger, you have to have a burger. In this state of mind, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden took a short — but wholly noticeable — motorcade ride from the White House to Virginia and pulled into a small, independent burger joint called Ray's Hell Burger.

The two leaders went right up to the counter where the meat was being grilled and ordered.

Each fetched cash from his pocket and paid, and then the pair stood like the rest and waited for their number to be called before going to a table.

The restaurant, which prides itself on premium aged 10-ounce burgers, sits in a small strip plaza. The burgers sell for $6.95.

190 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:08:27pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Sounds like Democrats.

100+ if I could.
Hi MM.

191 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #186 subsailor68

And they think it's a fire pole.

But they'd probably be willing to pay to see a "table dance".

"A table, dancing! That would be funny!"

192 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:01pm

re: #183 alegrias

It was a JOKE!

193 DaddyG  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:11pm

re: #183 alegrias

You can't, rhinoviruses trolls stay with us, in our noses' tissues blogs.

Face it, viruses trolls are PRIMITIVE and evolved to successfully live in and off of organisms such as we humans.

They are invasive and can stand down lurk until activated.

Viruses Trolls are totalitarians that take over their HOSTS, in order to live.

194 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:11pm

re: #191 Occasional Reader

But they'd probably be willing to pay to see a "table dance".

"A table, dancing! That would be funny!"

They would tell that lady to get off the table so it could dance

195 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:26pm

re: #177 DaddyG

Elephino?

Hippopotamus...

196 nikis-knight  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:28pm

re: #189 jcm

ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) — It's like this: When you want a burger, you have to have a burger. In this state of mind, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden took a short — but wholly noticeable — motorcade ride from the White House to Virginia and pulled into a small, independent burger joint called Ray's Hell Burger.

I knew he was the anti-christ!
/sarc

197 Cato  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:00pm

OT


Charles,

Did you play with David Sancious?

He is just and unbelievable musician and I see from Wiki that he played with Stanley Clarke, a musician idolized by my college roomates.

You must be damn, damn good.

198 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:06pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

It was a JOKE!

* * *
I can't assume everyone here took molecular biology, sorry.

199 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:12pm

re: #181 Kosh's Shadow

As much as I hate in any way defending Iran, some of the problem is that the villages being attacked are Kurdish villages being used as bases for the Kurds to attack Iran, something they shouldn't be doing.
But we (or Iraq) should be stopping the Kurds, not leaving it up to Iran.

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

200 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #186 subsailor68

And they think it's a fire pole.

If an 8 year old ever asks you, you tell them that it is.

/Dealing right now with an 8 year old that showed an uncanny interest in the cover of the new issue of Heavy Metal.

201 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:11:48pm

re: #185 Desert Dog

And, Iran is/was supplying and training the scumbums that were launching deadly IED attacks on our guys. We should send them some molten lead back as repayment.

Right. We should be dealing with Iran ourselves; none of this "unclench your fists" bullshit.
Iranians in Iraq that are supplying weapons and aid to terrorists should be tried and executed as war criminals, not released.

But letting Kurds attack inside Iran for their own purposes is different. We are not (yet) trying to attack Iran, just stop its attacks in Iraq.
Now, if we wanted to use the Kurds as part of a combined attack on Iran, that would be different. But letting them go off on their own gives Iran an excuse to meddle in Iraq.

202 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:11:51pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

It likely as much about as testing our response as with dealing with any Kurdish incursions.

203 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:11:58pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

* * *
How is this much different that what the Palis do to Israel yet Obama cozies up to the aggressor?

204 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #189 jcm

The burgers sell for $6.95.

Uh, no they don't Mr. President. You need to factor in the $78,000 it cost you and Joe Biden to get there. Next time, think about having 'em delivered.

205 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #193 DaddyG

Stinky has a pretty good troll vaccine.

206 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #197 Cato

OT

Charles,

Did you play with David Sancious?

He is just and unbelievable musician and I see from Wiki that he played with Stanley Clarke, a musician idolized by my college roomates.

You must be damn, damn good.

Damn Cato, who or whom did you piss off?
Karma: -453

Cato

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207 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:56pm

re: #204 subsailor68

The burgers sell for $6.95.

Uh, no they don't Mr. President. You need to factor in the $78,000 it cost you and Joe Biden to get there. Next time, think about having 'em delivered.

Stimulus!

//

208 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:13:10pm

You guys are sick.

/

209 alegrias  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:13:15pm

re: #204 subsailor68

The burgers sell for $6.95.

Uh, no they don't Mr. President. You need to factor in the $78,000 it cost you and Joe Biden to get there. Next time, think about having 'em delivered.

* * * *
Some highly paid presidential aide handed them YOUR TAX DOLLARS to buy a burger for the cameras.

210 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

It was a JOKE!

Sharmuta, stop trying to cover up your blatant refusal to admit that viruses are primitive.

//

211 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:13:43pm

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

Right. We should be dealing with Iran ourselves; none of this "unclench your fists" bullshit.
Iranians in Iraq that are supplying weapons and aid to terrorists should be tried and executed as war criminals, not released.

But letting Kurds attack inside Iran for their own purposes is different. We are not (yet) trying to attack Iran, just stop its attacks in Iraq.
Now, if we wanted to use the Kurds as part of a combined attack on Iran, that would be different. But letting them go off on their own gives Iran an excuse to meddle in Iraq.

Iran has nothing to fear from the USA now. Obama will not do a thing to stop them in anyway and they know that. They are free to do anything they wish in Lebanon, with Hamas or even in Iraq and there will be no price to pay for them. The mullahs are laughing at Obama right now. He is weak and will not react and they know it.

212 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #208 Racer X

You guys are sick.

/

Want some? I can cough on you.
/

213 Sabnen  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:14:10pm

The idea behind getting the annual flu shot is to strengthen your immune system for later. Let me explain . .

I think it has been well observed that teachers, starting out in the profession, have colds constantly. I did. Catching colds from the students is just plain unavoidable. As the years go by your body builds an immunity to all the different varieties of cold viruses it has experienced, so you are less likely to catch a cold you haven't had before. Your immunity is stronger.

The same goes for 'exposing' yourself to the annual flu shot. You will build immunities to all the different varieties of flu going about over time. It may not be an exact match to the flu of the future, but you will have immune components to parts of that flu that may help you fight it. Build your arsenal for your later years . . . get your annual flu shot.

214 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #209 alegrias

* * * *
Some highly paid presidential aide handed them YOUR TAX DOLLARS to buy a burger for the cameras.

But, but, it said they pulled the money out of their pocket! Now if they could only pull their heads out of........................

215 avanti  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:14:24pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

Just like the Turk's, if the Kurd's attack across the border we won't respond if they are attacked. If you recall, Turkey sent troops into Iraq and Bush had to look the other way.

216 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:14:37pm

re: #208 Racer X

You guys are sick.

/

*HACK*

I feel

*COUGH*

just fine

*PHLEGM*

Thank you.

217 Sabnen  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:15:24pm

Got to go . . . newly minted 16 year old wants to get his driver permit.

218 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:15:39pm

re: #190 Erik The Red

Hi! (Whom.)

219 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:15:39pm

This just bugs me.

220 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:06pm

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

If an 8 year old ever asks you, you tell them that it is.

/Dealing right now with an 8 year old that showed an uncanny interest in the cover of the new issue of Heavy Metal.

221 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:20pm

re: #217 Sabnen

Got to go . . . newly minted 16 year old wants to get his driver permit.

That explains the avatar.

222 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:22pm

re: #215 avanti

Just like the Turk's, if the Kurd's attack across the border we won't respond if they are attacked. If you recall, Turkey sent troops into Iraq and Bush had to look the other way.

Whey would the Kurds attack? That's what I want to know........

223 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:26pm

re: #217 Sabnen

Got to go . . . newly minted 16 year old wants to get his driver permit.

Make 'em volunteer a weekend in the local trauma center first.

224 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:27pm

re: #213 Sabnen

The idea behind getting the annual flu shot is to strengthen your immune system for later. Let me explain . .

I think it has been well observed that teachers, starting out in the profession, have colds constantly. I did. Catching colds from the students is just plain unavoidable. As the years go by your body builds an immunity to all the different varieties of cold viruses it has experienced, so you are less likely to catch a cold you haven't had before. Your immunity is stronger.

The same goes for 'exposing' yourself to the annual flu shot. You will build immunities to all the different varieties of flu going about over time. It may not be an exact match to the flu of the future, but you will have immune components to parts of that flu that may help you fight it. Build your arsenal for your later years . . . get your annual flu shot.

Come stay in Africa for a year or two. Immune to everything. (Aids too, if you take a shower and wash with soap)

225 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

Right. This is one case where we should tell Iran, what the Kurds are doing is wrong, and we will stop it, but Iran also has to stop attacks.

I'm trying to be consistent here. It isn't OK for Hizballah to attack Israel from inside Lebanon. The reason Israel is justified in attacking Hizballah is that Lebanon cannot or will not stop Hizballah.
It also isn't OK for Kurds to attack Iran from inside Iraq, even if they have better justification. Therefore, we stop them (probably peacefully, or with a lot less force than Iran is using) to deny Iran any excuse to attack Iraq.

226 Sharmuta  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:48pm

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Sharmuta, stop trying to cover up your blatant refusal to admit that viruses are primitive.

//

They're advanced enough to kick your ass. ;p

227 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:48pm

re: #222 LGoPs

Whey would the Kurds attack? That's what I want to know........

They're cheesed off.

228 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #222 LGoPs

Whey would the Kurds attack? That's what I want to know........

First, they would whey all their options.

229 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:17:22pm
230 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:17:36pm

re: #168 Occasional Reader

What would happen if we let a rhinovirus loose in the hippocampus?

Attach a chariot to the rhinovirus, and find Ben Hur.

231 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:17:42pm

re: #227 jcm

They're cheesed off.

They need to tuffet out......

232 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:20pm

re: #215 avanti

Just like the Turk's, if the Kurd's attack across the border we won't respond if they are attacked. If you recall, Turkey sent troops into Iraq and Bush had to look the other way.

The one group of people that actually like us over there, the Kurds, are the ones we let get shit on all the time. They kinda do it to themselves at times though with these border incursions. But, looking at their history, they share a similar fate as the Jews. They cannot have a homeland, they are picked on and attacked by all of their neighbors, they have been targeted for genocide more than once, and they are restrained from defending themselves. They are in a crappy neighborhood, surrounded by hate-filled people.

233 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:21pm

I thought we were too cultured for Kurd puns.

234 avanti  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #222 LGoPs

Whey would the Kurds attack? That's what I want to know........

They want a independent Kurdistan.

235 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:49pm

re: #222 LGoPs

Whey would the Kurds attack? That's what I want to know........

Seriously?
The want an independent Kurdistan.

236 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:54pm

re: #217 Sabnen

Got to go . . . newly minted 16 year old wants to get his driver permit.

We will all say a prayer for you.....nice knowing you, oops, I mean see ya later

237 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

One of the first things Obama did was to add the PJAK to the list of terrorist organizations. Previously, the Bush admin had toyed with the idea of supporting the PJAK as a proxy against the Iranians. That's all past now. The Turks & The Iranians are working together to crush the PJAK (and the PKK). Meanwhile, eager not to upset his would-be BFFS, Obama will do nothing.

Once again, the US has sold-out on the Kurds

238 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:11pm

re: #226 Sharmuta

They're advanced enough to kick your ass. ;p

Virii play by the KISS rule.
/Keep It Simple, Stupid.

239 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:16pm

This is off-topic, but I'm really getting sick of how everyone in DC goes apeshit every time Obama eats at a local restaurant:

[Link: dcist.com...]

240 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #234 avanti

They want a independent Kurdistan.

re: #235 jcm

Seriously?
The want an independent Kurdistan.

A GMTA with Avanti?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

//;-P

Hi, Avanti!

241 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:53pm

re: #235 jcm

Seriously?
The want an independent Kurdistan.

No, I'm kiiding. Just couldn't pass up a chance to make a stupid pun. You oughta know me by now.....
:)

242 avanti  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:55pm

re: #232 Desert Dog

The one group of people that actually like us over there, the Kurds, are the ones we let get shit on all the time. They kinda do it to themselves at times though with these border incursions. But, looking at their history, they share a similar fate as the Jews. They cannot have a homeland, they are picked on and attacked by all of their neighbors, they have been targeted for genocide more than once, and they are restrained from defending themselves. They are in a crappy neighborhood, surrounded by hate-filled people.

Correct on all points.

243 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:03pm

So there's a couple million strains of viruses crawling through my body right now? Plus a whole lot of bacteria?

I'm gonna be sick.

244 Eowyn2  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:09pm

squeel like a pig virus

/it had to be said.

245 J.S.  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:16pm

We have a case here in Edmonton of a 6-year-old girl, now in intensive care (diagnosed with the swine influenza -- the first case in Canada of someone requiring hospitalization -- all the other cases were classified as "mild" and not requiring stays in hospital -- plus they've all had some direct connection with Mexico). In addition to the level of severity, the other distinctive factor of this 6-year-old? She has had no contact with Mexico/Mexicans, etc. (thus, this may be an example of a secondary, community-based infection). So now everyone's wondering where/how exactly she contracted swine flu (also whether or not she has some other complicating condition (?))...

246 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:18pm

re: #233 MandyManners

I thought we were too cultured for Kurd puns.

That is just the Whey it goes, I guess

247 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #215 avanti

That time the Turks were going after the PKK, which the US agreed were terrorists. Now the Iranians (and the Turks) are going after the PJAK, which the US used to support. Obama has sold them out.

248 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:54pm

Wasn't "Pig Virus" the nickname Howard Stern used for one of his coworkers in Private Parts?

249 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:20:56pm

re: #239 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is off-topic, but I'm really getting sick of how everyone in DC goes apeshit every time Obama eats at a local restaurant:

[Link: dcist.com...]

Its so important to understand their EXACT burger orders.

/

250 lawhawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:10pm

Wait... you mean Agent Smith was right? /

251 jcm  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #247 Kenneth

That time the Turks were going after the PKK, which the US agreed were terrorists. Now the Iranians (and the Turks) are going after the PJAK, which the US used to support. Obama has sold them out.

Alphabet civil war!

252 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:18pm

re: #204 subsailor68

The burgers sell for $6.95.

Uh, no they don't Mr. President. You need to factor in the $78,000 it cost you and Joe Biden to get there. Next time, think about having 'em delivered.

Eh.

This is pretty standard presidential photo op glad-handing. Let's keep our powder dry for the important stuff.

253 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #211 Desert Dog

Iran has nothing to fear from the USA now. Obama will not do a thing to stop them in anyway and they know that. They are free to do anything they wish in Lebanon, with Hamas or even in Iraq and there will be no price to pay for them. The mullahs are laughing at Obama right now. He is weak and will not react and they know it.

I agree with this. It is interesting, though, that according to the articles I've read, the Iranians attack the Kurds from the Iranian side of the border. They don't actually enter Iraqi airspace. Maybe they know that despite Obama, the USAF controls Iraqi airspace, and the ROE might allow shooting down intruders.

254 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #249 simonml

Its so important to understand their EXACT burger orders.

/

Extra arugula?

255 Guanxi88  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:22:06pm

re: #251 jcm

Alphabet civil war!

The best summary I ever heard of the Bosnian civil war was "the unspellables versus the unpronounceables"

256 brookly red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #189 jcm

The economy has recovered!

Obama, Biden wait in line to buy hamburgers


Joe won the bet so O had to be seen with him in public & pretend to like him...

257 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

The best summary I ever heard of the Bosnian civil war was "the unspellables versus the unpronounceables"

I remember a story in the Onion about Clinton deploying vowels to the Balkans.

258 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:23:44pm

re: #215 avanti

Just like the Turk's, if the Kurd's attack across the border we won't respond if they are attacked. If you recall, Turkey sent troops into Iraq and Bush had to look the other way.

One tiny difference: The Turks are NATO allies; Iran is a declared enemy.

259 Kragar  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:23:49pm

Just in case it hasn't been said yet,

WE'RE ALL GONNA FRICKING DIE!

OK, got that out of my system, carry on

260 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #253 Kosh's Shadow

The report is saying this time the Iranians crossed into Iraq with helicopter gunships and attacked the Kurds.

261 simonml  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:06pm

re: #254 Desert Dog

Extra arugula?

"Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they're charging a lot of money for this stuff." -Obama

262 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:06pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

Eh.

This is pretty standard presidential photo op glad-handing. Let's keep our powder dry for the important stuff.

Heh, heh, yeah I agree. Just couldn't pass up the little dig. "It does go to frame of mind however, your honor."

;-)

263 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #256 brookly red

Joe won the bet so O had to be seen with him in public & pretend to like him...

He's just biden his time..........

264 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:48pm

re: #251 jcm

Alphabet civil war!

What if the MILFs intervene?

I MEAN THE MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT, YOU SICKOS!

265 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:03pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

One tiny difference: The Turks are NATO allies; Iran is a declared enemy BFF.

FTFY

266 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:05pm

re: #251 jcm

Alphabet civil war!

When Acronyms attack.

267 Last Mohican  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:28pm

re: #243 Racer X

So there's a couple million strains of viruses crawling through my body right now? Plus a whole lot of bacteria?

Each bacterium is a single-celled organism, and you have a hundred trillion of them in or on your body right now (no offense). That's ten times the number of your own cells.

268 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:51pm

Send this SMS to your mate. Got it today.

I've booked you in for the Swine Flu test. I know you have not been to Mexico, but my G_d you have slept with some pigs in your time.

269 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:56pm

re: #246 Desert Dog

That is just the Whey it goes, I guess

You're just trying to butter me up.

270 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #264 Occasional Reader

What if the MILFs intervene?

I MEAN THE MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT, YOU SICKOS!

I recently cataloged a Shamnesty International report on violence in the Philippines. I had to giggle every time I read "MILF." I guess those guys never saw American Pie.

271 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:26:15pm

re: #266 CyanSnowHawk

When Acronyms attack.

LOL! Or anagrams.

NATO announced that AT NO time did they plan to intervene.

272 itellu3times  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:26:20pm

That's a lot of virii, but there's nothing new about it, and anyway we're evolved to live in such an environment. We do need to learn more about it, however.

273 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:26:35pm

re: #264 Occasional Reader

MILF Thread!

274 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #264 Occasional Reader

What if the MILFs intervene?

I MEAN THE MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT, YOU SICKOS!

What if Adriana has a baby?

275 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:27:15pm

re: #260 Kenneth

The report is saying this time the Iranians crossed into Iraq with helicopter gunships and attacked the Kurds.

That's more than in the article I read. And that should be stopped, but we also need to stop the Kurds from giving Iran the excuse.
(I'm wording this carefully. We don't want to give Iran any justification they can use to support attacks against Iraq; keep them on the wrong side of international law. But it is still an excuse; Iran is looking for a reason to interfere in Iraq.)

276 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:27:19pm

re: #272 itellu3times

and anyway we're evolved to live in such an environment.

Oh, really? Well how does that explain our 100% FATALITY RATE?!
/

277 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:27:33pm

Would a MILF win a fight against a cougar?

278 Truck Monkey  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #274 MandyManners

What if Adriana has a baby?

Adriana Huffington? Ish.

/

279 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #277 Mad Al-Jaffee

By definition, and practice, a MILF is a cougar.

280 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #266 CyanSnowHawk

When Acronyms attack.

I'm particularly worried about these "BFFs" that Kenneth mentioned.

281 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #277 Mad Al-Jaffee

Would a MILF win a fight against a cougar?

That show makes me gag.

282 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:37pm
283 subsailor68  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:45pm

re: #273 Kenneth

MILF Thread!

I came up with the Dairy Association slogan, but by accident sent the copy off with a typo. They asked what the heck that white stuff was on Ashton Kucher's upper lip.

284 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:09pm

re: #217 Sabnen

Got to go . . . newly minted 16 year old wants to get his driver permit.

Demand attendance in Drivers Education as a precondition. Outside of loose Pakistani nukes the most dangerous thing in the world is a 16 year old driver....

285 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:23pm

re: #268 Erik The Red

Send this SMS to your mate. Got it today.

I've booked you in for the Swine Flu test. I know you have not been to Mexico, but my G_d you have slept with some pigs in your time.

I admit it; there was this girl in college who could have been the inspiration for Miss Piggy, but then, I was a horny college student in an engineering school (15 guys to every girl, and we calculated that very carefully.)

286 Kragar  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:30pm

re: #277 Mad Al-Jaffee

Would a MILF win a fight against a cougar?

Only way to find out would be the traditional hot oil topless wrestling match.

/hope the blog ads are paying attention

287 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:32pm
288 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #274 MandyManners

What if Adriana has a baby?

She'd have nothing to worry about, I'd be willing to raised the child as my own.

(What am I doing? Nothing, honey, just blogging! heh heh)

289 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:39pm

re: #284 experiencedtraveller

Demand attendance in Drivers Education as a precondition. Outside of loose Pakistani nukes the most dangerous thing in the world is a 16 year old driver....

Only if you're a mailbox or a ditch.

290 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:30:26pm

re: #288 Occasional Reader

She'd have nothing to worry about, I'd be willing to raised the child as my own.

(What am I doing? Nothing, honey, just blogging! heh heh)

When does that PPO expire?

291 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #290 MandyManners

When does that PPO expire?

Preferred Provider Organization? No time soon, I hope, I'm overdue for my physical.

/

292 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #271 subsailor68

LOL! Or anagrams.

NATO announced that AT NO time did they plan to intervene.

I'm currently reading an Interface Control Document (ICD) for a military comm system. It's 73 pages of acronyms in place of every noun.

And now lunch is over and I have to get back to it. Ah the joys of defense contractor employment.

TTFN

293 aggieann  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #243 Racer X

So there's a couple million strains of viruses crawling through my body right now? Plus a whole lot of bacteria?

I'm gonna be sick.

Not to mention those creepy little eyelash creatures.

294 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:33:20pm

Just curious. What is a creationist's take on viruses that, you know, mutate, change, adapt, and otherwise evolve?

295 Kragar  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:33:23pm

Aw man, Dom Deluise died

296 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:33:43pm

re: #239 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is off-topic, but I'm really getting sick of how everyone in DC goes apeshit every time Obama eats at a local restaurant:

[Link: dcist.com...]

Obama's trying to look like a man of the people, of course, after his recent (and even more hyped) dinner at the toney Citronelle restaurant in Georgetown.

297 Desert Dog  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:34:00pm

re: #270 Mad Al-Jaffee

I recently cataloged a Shamnesty International report on violence in the Philippines. I had to giggle every time I read "MILF." I guess those guys never saw American Pie.

After each report, enlistment in the Philippine army soars.....

"We need more men to fight MILFs"

298 Altermite  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:34:13pm

re: #243 Racer X

There are more foreign cells in you than your cells, to be honest. You live in a mushy-hodgepodge of mutually freeloading equilibrium

299 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:34:39pm

re: #277 Mad Al-Jaffee

Would a MILF win a fight against a cougar?

Cougar?
C old
O ld
U gly
G rumpy
A lzheimer
R andy old man

300 Eowyn2  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:35:02pm

re: #178 jcm

We cannot respond to a clenched fist with more violence, it just perpetuates the cycle of violence.

/ The One.

Jacket: Its just a little test plane, lets see what he does.
Hugo: Ha ha, you know he wont do anything, lob a few bombs and see what he does

Jacket: Okay, but I dont think the press will cover much less than a full out assault

301 LGoPs  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:35:04pm

re: #296 Occasional Reader

Obama's trying to look like a man of the people, of course, after his recent (and even more hyped) dinner at the toney Citronelle restaurant in Georgetown.

More like he's the Man of the Mob........

302 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #293 aggieann

Not to mention those creepy little eyelash creatures.

What makes it worse, they look kind of like the face-huggers from Alien.

303 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #298 Altermite

There are more foreign cells in you than your cells, to be honest. You live in a mushy-hodgepodge of mutually freeloading equilibrium

And your intestines need bacteria to function properly. That's one reason antibiotics can cause diarrhea; they kill off many of the "good" bacteria.

304 MandyManners  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:36:01pm

Let's stop thinking about deadly, rampant viral mutations and think on something more warm and fuzzy: Pakistan's nukes.

305 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:36:17pm

re: #294 Russkilitlover

Just curious. What is a creationist's take on viruses that, you know, mutate, change, adapt, and otherwise evolve?

They only do this because sin entered the world through Adam & Eve. (Educated guess.)

306 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:36:40pm

re: #293 aggieann

Not to mention those creepy little eyelash creatures.

Cute little feller.

307 aggieann  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:36:51pm

re: #298 Altermite

mushy-hodgepodge of mutually freeloading equilibrium

I nominate this for a rotating LGF banner slogan.

308 opnion  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:37:10pm

I heard on the radio that Kelly O'Donnell cut in on Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC, to report that Obama & Biden went to Arlington for hamburgers.
She was in a tizzy saying that this is like regular guys & think of the meal that they could have had at the White House!
Obama bowel movement, Next Oprah.

309 Racer X  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:37:19pm

re: #298 Altermite

There are more foreign cells in you than your cells, to be honest. You live in a mushy-hodgepodge of mutually freeloading equilibrium

Wait, you mean, I'm not really ME?!?!

310 Erik The Red  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:37:25pm

re: #304 MandyManners

Let's stop thinking about deadly, rampant viral mutations and think on something more warm and fuzzy: Pakistan's nukes.

Makes me all warm and fuzzy.

311 Altermite  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #310 Erik The Red

Makes me all warm and fuzzy.

Warm, anyways.

312 Steve  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:38:45pm

This is funny?

When all else fails.

313 charles_martel  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:39:34pm

Someone once said that we'd elect a black president when pigs fly. Now that Obama's been elected, swine flew.....

/sorry

314 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:39:43pm

re: #296 Occasional Reader

Obama's trying to look like a man of the people, of course, after his recent (and even more hyped) dinner at the toney Citronelle restaurant in Georgetown.

Obama is an elitist, wrapped in a snob, surrounded by narcissism.

315 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:39:46pm

Anyone else having trouble accessing Harry's Place today?

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

316 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:40:56pm

re: #258 Occasional Reader

One tiny difference: The Turks are NATO allies; Iran is a declared enemy.

The way the policy wonks are going with all the smooging and making kissy face with dictators and autocratic thugs, while very publicly throwing Israel under the bus, both countries might see their fortunes reversed quite soon.

317 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #304 MandyManners

Let's stop thinking about deadly, rampant viral mutations and think on something more warm and fuzzy: Pakistan's nukes.

The imminent Iranian nukes, NorK's nukes.

318 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:43:05pm
319 Eowyn2  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:43:11pm

re: #293 aggieann

Not to mention those creepy little eyelash creatures.


no those are creepy
if I use mascara, will it kill them.

320 [deleted]  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:47:59pm
321 debutaunt  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51:11pm

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aw man, Dom Deluise died

322 Kenneth  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:52:53pm

Sarah Palin: MILF or Cougar?

Discuss.

323 Kronocide  Tue, May 5, 2009 12:59:32pm

On which day did God create viruses? Does ID pertain to virus mutation?

Absolutely fascinating read.

324 OldLineTexan  Tue, May 5, 2009 1:15:23pm

a million trillion trillion viruses

/school film announcer

To imagine this number, picture one virus on each dollar bill of the US' 2012 national debt. There you have it!

/school film announcer off

325 Mr Secul  Tue, May 5, 2009 1:37:20pm

re: #294 Russkilitlover

Just curious. What is a creationist's take on viruses that, you know, mutate, change, adapt, and otherwise evolve?

That's microevolution and that happens.

Behe wrote about it in his Edge of Evolution. He argued that evolution can break things. Its not creative. Its entropy.

Sickle cell anemia is a damaged hemoglobin that can protect against malaria.

Real evolution, the invention of truly novel and useful structures requires divine intervention the intervention of an intelligent agency. Unguided evolution can't create entirely new biochemical functions.

That was his argument. Apparently he was wrong.

Google for Behe and ERV.

[Link: endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com...]

[Link: endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Or for for a more prosaic counter argument to Behe's nonsense try: [Link: scienceblogs.com...]

326 Euler  Tue, May 5, 2009 1:47:41pm

Its always fun to check the consistency of several quantities quoted in a news article. Case in point:

In a small drop of water there are a billion viruses,” Dr. Wolkowicz said. Virologists have estimated that there are a million trillion trillion viruses in the world’s oceans.

The oceans' volume is 1.3x1024 cm3. A "million trillion trillion viruses" is 1030 viruses. So the average density of viruses in ocean water is only (1/1.3)x106=7.6x105 viruses/cm3. So if that small drop of water containing a billion viruses is well-mixed ocean water, then its volume must be 109/(7.6x105)=1.3x103cm3, which is well over a quart. A quart of water is not a small drop.

So what's the problem? Here's one way to resolve it. Say the viruses are all concentrated in the top layer of the ocean, the layer having some thickness d. Not an unreasonable assumption, because the viral density no doubt falls with ocean depth. We can estimate d based on the viral density of 109 viruses/drop, and on a reasonable assumption on the size of a drop, say 0.1cm3, giving a viral density of v=1010cm-3. The area of the oceans' surface is a=361x1016cm2. We have

vad=1030 viruses,

so d=1030/(361x1016x1010)cm=27.7cm, which is a little less than a foot of depth.

Conclusion: the "million trillion trillion" figure being incomprehensible, one's sense of scale rests entirely on one's sense of the volume of the oceans (a lot of drops!) coupled with the billion-per-drop figure. But you see, this is misleading, and by a ratio one may quantify as the average depth of the ocean in feet, which is many thousands.

327 abolitionist  Tue, May 5, 2009 1:58:05pm

re: #7 simonml

The only thing that reassures me about viral evolution is that they become both more virulent AND less virulent by the same mechanisms. Just pray they become less virulent before you catch them!

Or maybe pray you catch them before they become more virulent?

First Genetic Analysis Of Swine Flu Shows Its Potentiality

Saturday, May 02, 2009 at 5:03:14 PM
The first genetic analysis of the efficacy of swine flu virus H1N1 transmission from person to person revealed that it spreads barely well enough to keep itself going.

The analysis also suggested that the virus might have started circulating as long ago as January.
[snip]

A mathematical model permits the calculation of an important variable called R0, the number of additional people infected, on average, by each case.

If R0 is less than one, an infection dies out.

Also, Grassly cautioned that the estimate is very preliminary.

However, with newly available data, he gets an R0 of 1.16, enough for the virus to keep going, but only just.

A potentially high mortality rate (percent of those infected who die) and a potential for rapid spread (high R0) are different things. Mutations can change one or the other or both.

328 KansasMom  Tue, May 5, 2009 2:07:22pm

re: #326 Euler

Good work, but you threw me off using those imperialist British units.

329 Cato the Elder  Tue, May 5, 2009 2:26:27pm

Obviously viruses never existed before Adam's fall.

330 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 5, 2009 2:43:47pm

One of the wierdest things in biology is a virus whose genome is encoded as part of a wasp genome. When this type of wasp matures, it has no viruses in it. The chain of life of this virus does not go from virus to virus. Instead, the wasp breeds virus in its stinger, from its own wasp genome that somehow now includes the code for the virus. Then the wasp stings a caterpillar, and the caterpillar becomes infected with the virus, which slowly kills it, first immobilizing it. Wasp eggs have the chance to mature without the host moving around, maybe getting eaten or something. And in this way, the virus lives out its strange circle of life. Each reproduces after its own kind---but with at least this one exception.

331 SixDegrees  Tue, May 5, 2009 2:50:59pm

re: #199 Occasional Reader

But now they're launching air strikes against a country that is, in effect, an American protectorate. And laughing while Obama does nothing about it. That's not good.

Sure. Expect such provocation to continue and increase in the coming months. Iran has elections coming up, and so are the first America troop withdrawals; Ahmadeenijad will claim that his military drove the US out of Iraq as part of his stump speech.

Get ready to welcome back the incredibly expensive, ineffective and never-ending No Fly Zones. Followed by a military return to Iraq in about 10 years to clean up the mess left behind.

332 Cato  Tue, May 5, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #206 Erik The Red

I don't think I understand.

Who did I piss off? Just about everybody at one time or another. The most interesting is when it is everyone at once.

333 eaglewingz08  Wed, May 6, 2009 9:15:59am

Furious evolution of the swine flu virus, you mean it's no longer a virus but has turned into a boar?

334 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:02:30am

re: #333 eaglewingz08

Furious evolution of the swine flu virus, you mean it's no longer a virus but has turned into a boar?

No, that's not what it means.

335 Nemesis6  Wed, May 6, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #333 eaglewingz08

Would be kind of interesting, though:

1 - Virus turns into boar
2 - Humans unknowingly eat this boar
3 - ?
4 - Profit!


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