Scientific American Top 10 Honors 'Darwin's Golden Retriever'

Scientific American Top 10 Honors ‘Darwin’s Golden Retriever’

ScienceMay 2009 • Views: 3,232

Congrats and kudos to Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education, who was named as one of the Scientific American 10 for 2009.

We recommend her book Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design Is Wrong for Our Schools, co-written with Glenn Branch; a very informative look at the history of anti-evolution movements in the US (including the latest incarnation, “intelligent design”), and their ongoing efforts to sneak creationism into public school science classes.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:32:49am

Cursing the darkness and rampant ignorance is good.

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 10:34:44am

I hope heads pop at the DI.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:36:48am

re: #2 MandyManners

I hope heads pop at the DI.

More like implosion with all the empty headedness there.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:37:00am

Get out the absorbent. I see 'splodin' heads coming up at the DI!

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 10:37:21am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

More like implosion with all the empty headedness there.

And we were worried about the CERN blackhole.....

/////

brookly red Sat, May 23, 2009 10:39:54am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

More like implosion with all the empty headedness there.

I feel pretty empty headed right about now... I went looking for cute Golden Retriever pictures.

Duh.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 10:40:33am

re: #2 MandyManners

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:41:25am

The history channel here on the left coast, or at least WA state is running the Universe show right now.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 10:42:29am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

It's fake because of the lack of globular clusters!

Stellar reasoning!

jaunte Sat, May 23, 2009 10:43:02am

At Amazon, there is an interesting discussion in the (single) one-starred consumer review for Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design Is Wrong for Our Schools. Reviewer "The Professor" provides a prime example of how IDers will present their arguments.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:43:40am

re: #9 jcm

Irreducible complexity!
Luap Nor!
Nirth Certifikate!
Troofers!
IDers!

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #8 pingjockey

The history channel here on the left coast, or at least WA state is running the Universe show right now.

South Sound Comcast is running the Band of Brother miniseries on their History channel feed with The Revolution being shown on the History International feed.

Shug Sat, May 23, 2009 10:46:01am

I nominate Intelligent Design for a Darwin Award

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #10 jaunte
That sounds like a poster we used to have here! Always going on and on about his "research". But would never show any of its papers here!

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #5 jcm

And we were worried about the CERN blackhole.....

/////

At least a blackhole does what it does because it is science. The DI, I haven't a clue what they are beyond a bunch of Elmer Gantrys.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #12 FurryOldGuyJeans
Band of Brothers just started. I need to get this on DVD.

jaunte Sat, May 23, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #14 pingjockey

Halp! Yr suppressing mah scince paperz!

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:48:24am

re: #17 jaunte
Hah! I can't remember that idjits nic.

Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 10:48:25am

Congratulations to Ms. Scott.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:48:42am

re: #14 pingjockey

That sounds like a poster we used to have here! Always going on and on about his "research". But would never show any of its papers here!

That is because, IIRC, he was foaming at the mouth about the coordinated Darwinist suppression of the "facts" he "discovered".

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:49:48am

re: #20 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yep or the other excuse was he'd be persecuted for his beliefs.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 10:50:08am

re: #15 FurryOldGuyJeans

At least a blackhole does what it does because it is science. The DI, I haven't a clue what they are beyond a bunch of Elmer Gantrys.

Any logic, reason or knowledge that gets too close to the DI is never seen again.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #16 pingjockey

Band of Brothers just started. I need to get this on DVD.

If I read the Comcast channel guide correctly History channel will be running the miniseries until 4am.

Yup, time to crank up my DVDs.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #22 jcm

Any logic, reason or knowledge that gets too close to the DI is never seen again.

Hmmm, 9 miles..... I live way too to close.....

Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 10:51:56am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

That reminds me that I need to get one of those digital converter brainwashing boxes before stuff changes. I watch so little TV these days that I just haven't found the time to take care of that one.

Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 10:52:27am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

I'm sure the author of that read the book on Ida, or otherwise read up on the research that was conducted for two years before they announced her. Not.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 10:52:51am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans
Heh, it's the shavetail Lt. I was lucky, never had a junior officer that was such a clueless dickhead.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 10:53:42am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

That reminds me that I need to get one of those digital converter brainwashing boxes before stuff changes. I watch so little TV these days that I just haven't found the time to take care of that one.

BEWARE!

Youtube Video

There's a Nirth Certifikate inside!

Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 10:55:54am

re: #28 jcm

Lol.

Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 10:55:56am

Maybe next year they can honor Charles for his work at LGF to push back against the ID lobby.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

That reminds me that I need to get one of those digital converter brainwashing boxes before stuff changes. I watch so little TV these days that I just haven't found the time to take care of that one.

If you have Comcast consider paying $5 extra a month for each TV to get the full digital converter box. I "upgraded" back in February to the free Digital Transport Adapter box thingies and saw right off the better deal is the paid boxes. The on screen channel guide and On Demand features, along with more channels on basic service than the DTAs provide, make it worth it to me.

And I watch more DVDs now than ever.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #27 pingjockey

Heh, it's the shavetail Lt. I was lucky, never had a junior officer that was such a clueless dickhead.

I ran across a couple of people, senior enlisted and officers, like Lt. Sobell. Peacetime dickheads that wouldn't have lasted one second under real fire.

abolitionist Sat, May 23, 2009 10:57:59am

From the SciAm link, page 3:

Eugenie Scott
Executive director
National Center for Science Education, Oakland, Calif.
A champion for the teaching of evolution steps up her advocacy
Thomas Henry Huxley was the 19th-century biologist known as “Darwin’s bulldog” for his defense of the great scientist’s ideas. The 21st century has a counterpart in the woman who describes herself as “Darwin’s golden retriever.” Eugenie Scott has emerged as one of the most prominent advocates for keeping evolution an integral part of the curriculum in public schools in her role as head of the nonprofit National Center for Science Education (NCSE). Scott became executive director of NCSE in 1986, a year before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it illegal to teach creation science in public schools in its Edwards v. Aguillard ruling.

Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #23 FurryOldGuyJeans

If I read the Comcast channel guide correctly History channel will be running the miniseries until 4am.

Yup, time to crank up my DVDs.

/the TCM war movie marathon has started

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #21 pingjockey

Yep or the other excuse was he'd be persecuted for his beliefs.

Oh, I do believe it was for both; persecution of him and suppression of his truths.

He was sure angling for a Martyr cookie.

jaunte Sat, May 23, 2009 10:58:54am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Maybe next year they can honor Charles for his work at LGF to push back against the ID lobby.

That would be very appropriate.

Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 11:00:09am

This one kinda gives me the creeps....
RNC chair: Media didn't vet Obama because of race

If this was a white guying saying this it would definitely be over the line. The press was obviously in the tank for Obama. Race might have been factor but they loved him mostly because he ran a far left progressive campaign as a Dem and he's young and photogenic. They did give him a pass but I really don't see this as a racial issue and I think it's in poor taste to try to make it one.

Canoe Train Sat, May 23, 2009 11:00:15am

re: #11 pingjockey

Irreducible complexity!
Luap Nor!
Nirth Certifikate!
Troofers!
IDers!

I would be tempted to re-write this list with the words, "Nirth Thirtificate!" Also, "Troofers!" needs to be pronounced with more of a lisp.

/ joking

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:00:26am

re: #32 FurryOldGuyJeans
That is a fact. Had one JO. Told him, if you listen to me and the CPO you will make LT. before the rest of your class. He did. Funny as hell.

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:00:53am

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cursing the darkness and rampant ignorance is good.

let's build a Henge!

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #34 Killian Bundy

/the TCM war movie marathon has started

Basic Comcast doesn't have TCM available on the line-up. They are part of Tier 3, which is an additional $15 a month IIRC. I don't watch enough TV to get additional channels I won't watch.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans
Instead it got whacked with the Stinky stick! Mwahaha!

wrenchwench Sat, May 23, 2009 11:02:21am

So, if you were a dog, Charles, what kind would you be? Darwin's Chesapeake Bay Retriever, maybe?

transient Sat, May 23, 2009 11:02:35am

Proud supporter of NCSE for some years now.
Congrats to Eugenie Scott.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #40 albusteve

let's build a Henge!

Carhenge!

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:03:21am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Maybe next year they can honor Charles for his work at LGF to push back against the ID lobby.

I don't recommend holding one's breath waiting for it to happen.

While recognition would be nice and a good confirmation of what he does, I don't think Charles is doing it for for the awarding of "honors".

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:04:17am

re: #45 jcm

Carhenge!

heh...Americans...
what a buncha kooks...I love it

Digital Display Sat, May 23, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Maybe next year they can honor Charles for his work at LGF to push back against the ID lobby.

{sharm}
I hope so..
Thank you for being so kind yesterday morning when I was so upset..
Thank you

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:05:01am

re: #42 pingjockey

Instead it got whacked with the Stinky stick! Mwahaha!

I can't, in all honesty, say I shed a tear when learning that. ;)

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 11:05:40am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

I do my best to ignore that place.

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't recommend holding one's breath waiting for it to happen.

While recognition would be nice and a good confirmation of what he does, I don't think Charles is doing it for for the awarding of "honors".

money might work tho...
just kidding

Desert Dog Sat, May 23, 2009 11:05:56am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

This one kinda gives me the creeps....
RNC chair: Media didn't vet Obama because of race

If this was a white guying saying this it would definitely be over the line. The press was obviously in the tank for Obama. Race might have been factor but they loved him mostly because he ran a far left progressive campaign as a Dem and he's young and photogenic. They did give him a pass but I really don't see this as a racial issue and I think it's in poor taste to try to make it one.

So, if he was a white guy with equal speaking abilities and shaded past, he would have gotten an equal pass from the MSM? What is wrong with saying his race played a huge part in his success and also the way the press handled him with kid gloves? Because that is exactly what happened. Most of the press did not go after Obama because they were afraid they would have been called a racist. You think that is not true?

Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 11:06:32am

re: #46 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't recommend holding one's breath waiting for it to happen.

While recognition would be nice and a good confirmation of what he does, I don't think Charles is doing it for for the awarding of "honors".

I wasn't trying to suggest that. Recognition is nice, but I don't think that's why we see what we see from our Head Lizard.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:07:34am

re: #51 albusteve

money might work tho...
just kidding

Helping defray the costs of his bandwidth bills would doubtfully be refused.

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 11:07:54am

re: #52 Desert Dog

So, if he was a white guy with equal speaking abilities and shaded past, he would have gotten an equal pass from the MSM? What is wrong with saying his race played a huge part in his success and also the way the press handled him with kid gloves? Because that is exactly what happened. Most of the press did not go after Obama because they were afraid they would have been called a racist. You think that is not true?

Of course it's true. Remember how many times the charge of racism was thrown around when FCBBHO was questioned? Remember what was said about calling someone a socialist was racist?

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #54 FurryOldGuyJeans

Helping defray the costs of his bandwidth bills would doubtfully be refused.

I've seen him...nothing but rags, and he eats mostly hamster food

wrenchwench Sat, May 23, 2009 11:09:16am

NCSE's Scott to be on Culture Shocks

NCSE's executive director Eugenie C. Scott will discuss the significance of Ida, the 47-million-year-old primate fossil dominating the headlines, on the Culture Shocks radio show on May 26, 2009 at 4:00 p.m. EST. Hosted by the Reverend Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Culture Shocks "examines issues and trends in today’s culture wars through conversations with and about some of the most fascinating figures of our times." To listen on-line, or to find a local station that airs the show, visit the Culture Shocks website.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:09:46am

re: #53 Sharmuta

I wasn't trying to suggest that. Recognition is nice, but I don't think that's why we see what we see from our Head Lizard.

I know exactly what you were suggesting, and for that I do agree. Charles deserves to know, beyond us pain in the ass commenters, there are people who recognize the worth of all his hard work.

Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 11:10:53am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

Hon- you're welcome. {Hoops}

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:12:26am

re: #55 MandyManners

Of course it's true. Remember how many times the charge of racism was thrown around when FCBBHO was questioned? Remember what was said about calling someone a socialist was racist?

The media found a fellow traveler. Race was used to marginalize anyone bold enough saying "but the emperor has no clothes." What was important was getting the fellow traveler elected, nothing else.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:12:46am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

Is it a rebuttal done because it is what they believe, or is it a rebuttal simply because it is a Pro-forma attack against lgf and Charles?

I suspect the latter.

Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:14:36am

Youtube Video

/lovely

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:15:38am

re: #62 Killian Bundy
We can't be out of money! There are still checks in the check book!

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:16:18am

re: #63 pingjockey

We can't be out of money! There are still checks in the check book!

electricity comes from that outlet over there

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:16:25am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

This one kinda gives me the creeps....
RNC chair: Media didn't vet Obama because of race

If this was a white guying saying this it would definitely be over the line. The press was obviously in the tank for Obama. Race might have been factor but they loved him mostly because he ran a far left progressive campaign as a Dem and he's young and photogenic. They did give him a pass but I really don't see this as a racial issue and I think it's in poor taste to try to make it one.

Race was so much of a part of the media fellating the man that it became an invisible non-issue. Hillary was the media's choice originally, and lost it when O started his holy mission of bringing hope and change to the deluded masses.

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 11:17:11am

A little Sonny Boy Willamson for a mellow Saturday afternoon.

Youtube Video

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:17:51am

re: #64 albusteve
I have a couple of moonbat relatives who think that way. They are the types who are going to tell us how to live green, not harm Gaia, etc...

Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:19:08am

re: #63 pingjockey

We can't be out of money! There are still checks in the check book!

It doesn't seem to phase him, he says it like it's a joke.

/thank God the markets are closed until Tuesday

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #67 pingjockey

I have a couple of moonbat relatives who think that way. They are the types who are going to tell us how to live green, not harm Gaia, etc...

I love green!

(repost from earlier this week)

'Turbines wind up my goats'

After three years of intrigue and confusion, not to mention a death toll of 400, the great Penghu archipelago goat mystery may finally have been solved.
Officials investigating the unexplained deaths of scores of the animals on the windy island chain in the Taiwan strait believe that the introduction of noisy wind turbines could have given the unfortunate goats a fatal case of exhaustion.

reine.de.tout Sat, May 23, 2009 11:20:04am

re: #52 Desert Dog

So, if he was a white guy with equal speaking abilities and shaded past, he would have gotten an equal pass from the MSM? What is wrong with saying his race played a huge part in his success and also the way the press handled him with kid gloves? Because that is exactly what happened. Most of the press did not go after Obama because they were afraid they would have been called a racist. You think that is not true?

My two most liberal friends, after the election, were both elated at the election of Obama for this reason: "Isn't it wonderful that we have elected a black man to the presidency?"

They couldn't speak to me about issues; one even admitted to me she never listens to the news or reads a newspaper, has no clue what the "issues" are facing this country, but she just felt in her heart that electing a black man to the presidency was the right thing to do.

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #68 Killian Bundy
The man has NO frakkin' clue.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #63 pingjockey

We can't be out of money! There are still checks in the check book!

There people still making money! Fleece them!

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:21:15am

re: #67 pingjockey

I have a couple of moonbat relatives who think that way. They are the types who are going to tell us how to live green, not harm Gaia, etc...

Had the "pleasure" of discussing such with someone who is a HUGE green who demands everyone get an electric car if not use public transportation, yet doesn't want any more evil power plants built since that would only encourage electrical usage. I tried to let them know the influx of electric cars would increase electric usage multi-fold, but they would have none of "that nonsense" (their words).

rightside Sat, May 23, 2009 11:22:22am

re: #73 FurryOldGuyJeans

The one would simply hold his finger out, a la wonder twins, and your electrical car would be recharged. No new plants needed, silly.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:23:01am

re: #73 FurryOldGuyJeans

Had the "pleasure" of discussing such with someone who is a HUGE green who demands everyone get an electric car if not use public transportation, yet doesn't want any more evil power plants built since that would only encourage electrical usage. I tried to let them know the influx of electric cars would increase electric usage multi-fold, but they would have none of "that nonsense" (their words).

If we just all switch to SFL bulbs, and let them regulate our thermostat there will be more than enough electricity for electric cars.

/// what do they think, electricity grows on trees?

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:23:15am

re: #73 FurryOldGuyJeans
The total disconnect from reality is frightening. IT is a religion with those maniacs.

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:23:17am

re: #66 MandyManners

very nice...thanks for some Sonny Boy

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:23:28am

re: #75 jcm

PIMF...

CFL

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #75 jcm
Did you see some of those fools were saying hydropower is not a renewable energy source!

Gus Sat, May 23, 2009 11:24:37am

re: #16 pingjockey

Band of Brothers just started. I need to get this on DVD.

"Got a penny?"

pingjockey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:26:04am

Later folks enjoy your day.

rightside Sat, May 23, 2009 11:26:22am

re: #81 pingjockey

see ya!

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #79 pingjockey

Did you see some of those fools were saying hydropower is not a renewable energy source!

Hydro is not part of WA Green energy law.

Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:28:01am

So, Bush left a ~$500 billion dollar deficit. TOTUS knows "we're out of money". What's the plan?

/spend almost $2 trillion we don't have in 2010, while cutting key defense programs!

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #81 pingjockey

Later folks enjoy your day.

Take care!

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 11:28:27am

re: #77 albusteve

very nice...thanks for some Sonny Boy

I like this one, too.

Youtube Video

abolitionist Sat, May 23, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #79 pingjockey

Did you see some of those fools were saying hydropower is not a renewable energy source!

But, but the sun's energy will be utterly depleted in several billion years. We're doomed. Doomed I say. ///

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #75 jcm

If we just all switch to SFL bulbs, and let them regulate our thermostat there will be more than enough electricity for electric cars.

/// what do they think, electricity grows on trees?

And they were complaining about the report recently released outlining the need for increased electrical generation plants due to the gadget explosion. "Too many people using too many gadgets they don't need".

All the while texting people, talking on the phone, listening to the iPod while telling me the gadgets and people were killing "poor Mother Earth".

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:30:09am

re: #83 jcm

Hydro is not part of WA Green energy law.

Have to save the poor salmon.

Truck Monkey Sat, May 23, 2009 11:31:53am

Simply must share. Just attended a picnic for one of the kids on my football team who, since 2007, has been living with brain cancer. Celebration was for him being done with his treatments and for the community who rallied around him and his family in their time of need. I am grateful to know this young man.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:32:13am

re: #84 Killian Bundy

So, Bush left a ~$500 billion dollar deficit. TOTUS knows "we're out of money". What's the plan?

/spend almost $2 trillion we don't have in 2010, while cutting key defense programs!

Impoverish us while leaving us utterly defenseless. Brilliant plan there.

Oh yeah I forgot, holding to our values will protect us against all the evil in the world. The question is just who's values we are to hold to.

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:32:58am

re: #88 FurryOldGuyJeans

And they were complaining about the report recently released outlining the need for increased electrical generation plants due to the gadget explosion. "Too many people using too many gadgets they don't need".

All the while texting people, talking on the phone, listening to the iPod while telling me the gadgets and people were killing "poor Mother Earth".

News had a bit on all the "power vampires" I think the called them. Devices that still pulled juice when not used. The said put them on a power strip and use the strip to turn them all off.

I'm thinking, I had to program and set up all those devices, I really don't want to do that every time I turn the damn things on.

Gus Sat, May 23, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have to save the poor salmon.

In a few decades it will be save the goats:

Wind farm 'kills Taiwanese goats'

Abnormal noises could affect growth and feeding of the goats, officials say
A large number of goats in Taiwan may have died of exhaustion because of noise from a wind farm.

/El goato.

albusteve Sat, May 23, 2009 11:33:34am

re: #86 MandyManners

cut out the off the wall jive....blues, heh

MandyManners Sat, May 23, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have to save the poor salmon.

The only good salmon is a dead salmon, on my grill with a cucumber-and-mint salsa waiting in the fridge.

subsailor68 Sat, May 23, 2009 11:34:30am

re: #86 MandyManners

Hi Mandy! Very cool indeed. In the spirit of sharing, here's a video of Dizzy Gillespie and Stan Getz tearing up "It Don't Mean a Thing". (Although it's just a wee bit slower than another version they did - but not much.)

Youtube Video

jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:34:53am

re: #89 FurryOldGuyJeans

Have to save the poor salmon.

IIRC Salmon mitigation for Sea-Tac's 3rd runway was a couple million per fish.

FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #95 MandyManners

The only good salmon is a dead salmon, on my grill with a cucumber-and-mint salsa waiting in the fridge.

The thing is that the dams here in the Great NorthWet had fish ladders for many a decade, and the records show yearly salmon runs actually improved with the things. Gave the returning salmon places to rest before continuing the up-river journey.

The depleted fish runs are almost directly attributable to fishing ships just waiting for the salmon at the mouths of rivers and streams. Easier catches.

But try to explain all this to a green and you end up wanting to have been arguing with the cat instead.

Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:39:39am

re: #91 FurryOldGuyJeans

Impoverish us while leaving us utterly defenseless. Brilliant plan there.

Oh yeah I forgot, holding to our values will protect us against all the evil in the world. The question is just who's values we are to hold to.

/it's just not funny anymore, spending like this has the potential to actually break this country within a few years

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SaracensAtTheGates Sat, May 23, 2009 11:39:52am

ID does belong in the classroom, alongside its sister subjects in social sciences like the study of Greek and Roman mythology, tribal shamanism, The Epic of Gigamesh, Homer's Odyssey, etc. Of course the social science subject of ID and these others do not belong in the physical and biological science curricula, but they do belong in the classroom nonetheless.

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jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:40:15am

re: #95 MandyManners

The only good salmon is a dead salmon, on my grill with a cucumber-and-mint salsa waiting in the fridge.

Cherry smoked in my smoker......

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:41:26am

re: #101 jcm

Cherry smoked in my smoker......

Oven broiled, with lemon and dill sauce drizzled on after.

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jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:41:53am

re: #98 FurryOldGuyJeans

The thing is that the dams here in the Great NorthWet had fish ladders for many a decade, and the records show yearly salmon runs actually improved with the things. Gave the returning salmon places to rest before continuing the up-river journey.

The depleted fish runs are almost directly attributable to fishing ships just waiting for the salmon at the mouths of rivers and streams. Easier catches.

But try to explain all this to a green and you end up wanting to have been arguing with the cat instead.

Don't forget the Bolt Ruling, Native Americans have unrestricted fishing on salmon runs. Gill nets right across salmon run rivers.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:43:49am

re: #99 Killian Bundy

/it's just not funny anymore, spending like this has the potential to actually break this country within a few years

I have been thinking lately that the speed and urgency of this Socialist agenda is to prevent it being compromised by the 2010 mid-terms, with a bit of "Fuck you America!" thrown in for good measure to punish the electorate for even having briefly allowed the Dems to lose total Congressional control.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #103 jcm

Don't forget the Bolt Ruling, Native Americans have unrestricted fishing on salmon runs. Gill nets right across salmon run rivers.

That was a "red herring" from the start. The impact with native fishing was negligible after the initial "we can do it again" rush. Most Amerindians love the American lifestyle too much.

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 11:46:40am

re: #52 Desert Dog

What is wrong with saying his race played a huge part in his success and also the way the press handled him with kid gloves? Because that is exactly what happened.

I don't think so. There were so many other factors why the press loved him. I think this is also another case of conservatives losing their way; They're blaming their loss on someone other than themselves. Obama won the election fair and square. I think taking personal responsibility for the loss would be the best approach.

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wrenchwench Sat, May 23, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #90 Truck Monkey

Simply must share. Just attended a picnic for one of the kids on my football team who, since 2007, has been living with brain cancer. Celebration was for him being done with his treatments and for the community who rallied around him and his family in their time of need. I am grateful to know this young man.

How old is the kid? Is the prognosis good?

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jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:47:58am

re: #105 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was a "red herring" from the start. The impact with native fishing was negligible after the initial "we can do it again" rush. Most Amerindians love the American lifestyle too much.

Especially they found easier pickings..... white folks wallets in the casinos.

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #52 Desert Dog

So, if he was a white guy with equal speaking abilities and shaded past, he would have gotten an equal pass from the MSM?

If he was a Dem, probably. A Republican, probably not. I think it's unreasonable to expect equal treatment for the press.

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Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:50:22am

re: #106 Killgore Trout

I think this is also another case of conservatives losing their way; They're blaming their loss on someone other than themselves..

/because, of course, Iraq and the economy had nothing to do with the 2008 election

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Charles Johnson Sat, May 23, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #100 SaracensAtTheGates

ID does belong in the classroom, alongside its sister subjects in social sciences like the study of Greek and Roman mythology, tribal shamanism, The Epic of Gigamesh, Homer's Odyssey, etc. Of course the social science subject of ID and these others do not belong in the physical and biological science curricula, but they do belong in the classroom nonetheless.

No, ID does not belong anywhere in school. It's a fraud whose only purpose is to put a pseudo-scientific facade on creationism.

The study of mythology is a legitimate topic for history classes. "Intelligent design" creationism is not history, not science, not anything really, except a vehicle for sneaking creationism into schools.

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Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 11:51:29am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The stalker site posted a rebuttal of the missing link fossil discovered last week. Idiots.

That was really stupid. They didn't refute a single fact about Ida.

So some scientists are skeptical- that's normal. I'm sure when they look into Ida more, they will be convinced of her importance. The group that studied her for two years was comprised of an impressive group. They weren't likely to put their names on the findings (after two years!) if they didn't think they were correct.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:53:00am

re: #110 Killian Bundy

/because, of course, Iraq and the economy had nothing to do with the 2008 election

Along with a supposedly fiscal conservative Republican party that tried to outspend the "let's throw money at the problem forever and ever" Democrat party. Increased spending and bureaucratic entitlements had nothing to do with the election.

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

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Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #106 Killgore Trout

I think this is also another case of conservatives losing their way; They're blaming their loss on someone other than themselves.

/and exactly how does that translate into McCain?

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ducktrapper Sat, May 23, 2009 11:54:37am

The left pushes environ-mental-ism and the right, intelligent design. I say let's split the difference. I'm all for an intelligent environment. What are the chances?

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Kosh's Shadow Sat, May 23, 2009 11:54:55am

Scientific American made some good choices on their Top Ten list
I strongly disagree with number 10

Barack Obama
President of the U.S.
The new chief executive begins his term by initiating a radical shift in science policy
After eight long years in exile, scientists have been enthusiastically welcomed back into the White House. In the first few months of his administration, President Barack Obama acted with remarkable speed to place science at the center of policymaking on climate change, energy, health care and research funding. He wiped away science-averse policies and appointed outstanding scientific talent—including physicists Steven Chu and John Holdren, marine ecologist Jane Lubchenco, and biomedical experts Harold Varmus and Eric Lander—to top posts.

In March, President Obama lifted the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research and asked the National Institutes of Health to devise new rules. With a pledge to listen to scientists, “especially when it’s inconvenient,” he simultaneously ordered the creation of policies that would protect scientific integrity and ensure transparency in policymaking.

That same month, international climate change delegates in Bonn applauded a pledge by Todd Stern, President Obama’s special climate envoy, to “make up for lost time” and combine urgency, science and pragmatism in U.S. actions. Indeed, the president’s budget called for $150 billion to fund research, development and technology for clean energy over 10 years, plus $43 billion in additional research and infrastructure funding and $20 billion in tax incentives already built into the economic stimulus plan.

When making the choice to award the president, we searched among less obvious candidates who were deserving of broader public recognition. But President Obama’s accomplishments in a matter of weeks of taking office were so extraordinary that he could not be denied. The new president’s actions have proved almost startling after the Bush administration, which was criticized for routine suppression of scientific knowledge for political purposes. But the impact of the Obama White House will likely reach far beyond such a facile comparison. The president’s unprecedented emphasis on science and technology should propel basic research, innovation, and U.S. scientific and technological competitiveness for generations to come. —Sally Lehrman

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:55:01am

re: #114 Killian Bundy

/and exactly how does that translate into McCain?

Quit confusing the man with facts, dammit! ;)

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ThingFish Sat, May 23, 2009 11:55:02am

re: #88 FurryOldGuyJeans

Between this, electric cars and more computer dependence- the denial that power generation is a necessity (real power generation, not windmills and corn oil) never ceases to amaze me.

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gmsc Sat, May 23, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #115 ducktrapper

The left pushes environ-mental-ism and the right, intelligent design. I say let's split the difference. I'm all for an intelligent environment. What are the chances?

The left pushes intelligent design?!?

Um . . . no.

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gmsc Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:20am

re: #119 gmsc

The left pushes intelligent design?!?

Um . . . no.

Whoops - read the original post too fast.

Retracted.

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ducktrapper Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:27am

re: #119 gmsc

The left pushes intelligent design?!?

Um . . . no.

Um ... reread. :)

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Erik The Red Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #115 ducktrapper

The left pushes environ-mental-ism and the right, intelligent design. I say let's split the difference. I'm all for an intelligent environment. What are the chances?

ZERO. Both sides have their heads stuck so far up their own ass's

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #114 Killian Bundy

Ah, You're right I should have said.....

I think this is also another case of Republicans losing their way;

But I think conservatives share part of the blame. Palin was a substantial factor. Probably much more significant than Obama's skin color.

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Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #119 gmsc

He said the left pushes environmentalism, and right pushes ID.

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gmsc Sat, May 23, 2009 11:56:57am

re: #121 ducktrapper

Um ... reread. :)

See #120.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #118 ThingFish

Between this, electric cars and more computer dependence- the denial that power generation is a necessity (real power generation, not windmills and corn oil) never ceases to amaze me.

Environmentalism and reality are like oil and water; takes a lot of effort to get 'em to mix, if ever.

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Gus Sat, May 23, 2009 11:57:25am

re: #100 SaracensAtTheGates

ID does belong in the classroom, alongside its sister subjects in social sciences like the study of Greek and Roman mythology, tribal shamanism, The Epic of Gigamesh, Homer's Odyssey, etc. Of course the social science subject of ID and these others do not belong in the physical and biological science curricula, but they do belong in the classroom nonetheless.

Intelligent design is a modern phenomenon or fraud and I can't see it as anything comparable to Greek and Roman mythology, The Epic of Gigamesh, Homer's Odyssey, or even , tribal shamanism. It could find a place in political science class as vehicle to discuss wedge issues, stealth candidates, etc. Creationism could find a place in mythological studies.

Putting intelligent design on the same level as Greek mythology would be an affront to the artistic traditions of Greek culture -- even though the subject matter is based on myths. I cannot fathom the pseudoscience from the like of the Discovery Institute being taught along side the mythology of Zeus and Prometheus.

Even the Atomists of latter days were more advanced than the young earth creationists of today. Intelligent design cannot touch the mythology of ancient times.

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abolitionist Sat, May 23, 2009 11:57:26am

re: #119 gmsc

The left pushes environ-mental-ism and the right, [pushes] intelligent design.

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ducktrapper Sat, May 23, 2009 11:57:37am

re: #125 gmsc

See #120.

We both type faster than we read, I guess. :)

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gmsc Sat, May 23, 2009 11:57:57am

re: #124 Sharmuta

He said the left pushes environmentalism, and right pushes ID.

re: #128 abolitionist

The left pushes environ-mental-ism and the right, [pushes] intelligent design.

See #120.

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jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 11:58:23am

re: #100 SaracensAtTheGates

ID does belong in the classroom, alongside its sister subjects in social sciences like the study of Greek and Roman mythology, tribal shamanism, The Epic of Gigamesh, Homer's Odyssey, etc. Of course the social science subject of ID and these others do not belong in the physical and biological science curricula, but they do belong in the classroom nonetheless.

ID as being pushed by the DI does not, it's a false flag operation spelled out in the Wedge Strategy.

The Biblical Creation account has a place, separated from ID in comparative religion or literature classes.

ID is naked political power play and has very little to do with the Biblical creation account.

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Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 11:58:43am

re: #130 gmsc

I did- I gave it a ding. You were just too fast for me. I need another cup of coffee.

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ducktrapper Sat, May 23, 2009 11:59:32am

I'd edit if I could but I think we've got it now.

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Erik The Red Sat, May 23, 2009 11:59:57am

re: #132 Sharmuta

I did- I gave it a ding. You were just too fast for me. I need another cup of coffee.

I have a 18 year old scotch going if you like. Coffee no.

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Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 11:59:58am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Palin was a substantial factor.

/yeah, she energized the base and kept McCain from losing by double digits

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gmsc Sat, May 23, 2009 12:00:27pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

I did- I gave it a ding. You were just too fast for me. I need another cup of coffee.

Thanks!

Didn't your mother warn you about fast men?
;)

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Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 12:00:48pm

re: #136 gmsc

My dad did.

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subsailor68 Sat, May 23, 2009 12:00:48pm

The Epic of Gigamesh

This of course, was the third epic in the series. The other two were:

The Epic of Kilomesh
The Epic of Megamesh

I think the next one is The Epic of Tetramesh.

(Okay, I know it was just an inadvertent typo, but couldn't resist.)

;-)

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 12:01:20pm

re: #135 Killian Bundy

She lost a lot of votes from moderates. I'm pretty sure it was a net loss.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #131 jcm

ID is naked political power play and has very little to do with the Biblical creation account.

I suggest a slight fix, "ID is a naked theocratic power play". For the DI their narrowly defined religious dogma is politics, and vice versa. Islam makes no distinction between the two, and the Creationists don't either. The only difference is which dogma is the ruling template.

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Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 12:02:19pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

She lost a lot of votes from moderates. I'm pretty sure it was a net loss.

/and you'd be wrong

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 12:02:39pm

re: #135 Killian Bundy

Go ahead and run Palin or Jindal next time and see what happens. The base will be fired up I'm sure but that isn't going to win an election.

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Sharmuta Sat, May 23, 2009 12:03:38pm

You mean Gilgamesh?

The interesting thing about Gilgamesh is it lead two geologists to take the flood myth (Noah) seriously, and they did in fact prove there was an epic, massive flood in ancient days. For more on this fascinating merge of science and faith see the following video:

Youtube Video

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FurryOldGuyJeans Sat, May 23, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

She lost a lot of votes from moderates. I'm pretty sure it was a net loss.

And you would be so wrong.

But do continue to perpetuate that Palinphobe attitude you love wallowing in.

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Killgore Trout Sat, May 23, 2009 12:04:59pm

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

There's a pretty good chance that she'll get the next nomination so we might find out in four years.

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jcm Sat, May 23, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

I suggest a slight fix, "ID is a naked theocratic power play". For the DI their narrowly defined religious dogma is politics, and vice versa. Islam makes no distinction between the two, and the Creationists don't either. The only difference is which dogma is the ruling template.

Excellent correction!

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Throbert McGee Sat, May 23, 2009 12:08:55pm

re: #100 SaracensAtTheGates

ID does belong in the classroom, alongside its sister subjects in social sciences like the study of Greek and Roman mythology, tribal shamanism, The Epic of Gilgamesh, Homer's Odyssey, etc.

Really? Give us a plot summary of "the ID mythos," then. For example, what does Intelligent Design have to say about the relatedness or non-relatedness of humans and chimpanzees? What does it have to say about the approximate age of the Earth? What does it have to say about the origins of the Grand Canyon, and why seashell fossils can be found on mountaintops?

(Hint: These are trick questions, because ID in fact has nothing at all to say on any of these matters. It is intentionally silent on the very subject that it purports to be about, namely the history of life on Earth.)

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Killian Bundy Sat, May 23, 2009 12:10:53pm

When Palin's campaign rallies started outdrawing McCain's campaign rallies by a wide margin there's a clue there.

/hmmm

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wii42 Sat, May 23, 2009 12:30:08pm

re: #112 Sharmuta

That was really stupid. They didn't refute a single fact about Ida.

So some scientists are skeptical- that's normal. I'm sure when they look into Ida more, they will be convinced of her importance. The group that studied her for two years was comprised of an impressive group. They weren't likely to put their names on the findings (after two years!) if they didn't think they were correct.

Here's a link where (afaik) legit scientists are discussing the possibly deficient phylogenetic analysis in the IDA paper vis-a-vis its pylogenetic conclusions, the journal it was published in, the hype, the unfortunate walk-back that, if necessary, will be creationist fodder, etc.

There's even a cladogram!

Sorry for the drive-by --- gotta run...

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Throbert McGee Sat, May 23, 2009 12:31:31pm

re: #143 Sharmuta

You mean Gilgamesh?

The interesting thing about Gilgamesh is it lead two geologists to take the flood myth (Noah) seriously

Note: the main hypothesis put forth by geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan -- namely that the Black Sea formed with catastrophic speed between 7,000 and 8,000 years ago, when the salty Mediterranean broke through a natural dam and flooded what had been a freshwater lake valley -- has subsequently been disproven, although it did initially attract a lot of interest from other biologists.

The possibility that this sudden flooding of the region north of Turkey might've inspired both the Gilgamesh and Noah stories was a secondary hypothesis, obviously mooted when the main hypothesis was disproven.

If the Pitman/Ryan flood had happened, some ancient people living on the shores of the freshwater lake could've been drowned overnight, while many more would've had only days or weeks to uproot their entire settlements and flee ahead of the advancing floodwaters. And even once the new Black Sea stopped rising, its salty water would've been useless for drinking by humans and domestic animals, or for irrigating crops. Thus, the survivors couldn't have simply rebuilt along the new shoreline, because their way of life had been based on the freshwater ecosystem of the lake. In short, it would've been a disaster big enough to inspire myths for centuries.

Still, Pitman and Ryan were not crackpots -- they put forth a testable hypothesis that was subsequently ruled out by the findings of other geologists.

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NelsFree Sat, May 23, 2009 1:01:03pm

re: #69 jcm

After three years of intrigue and confusion, not to mention a death toll of 400, the great Penghu archipelago goat mystery may finally have been solved.
Officials investigating the unexplained deaths of scores of the animals on the windy island chain in the Taiwan strait believe that the introduction of noisy wind turbines could have given the unfortunate goats a fatal case of exhaustion.

This reminds me of the great Bette Midler song:
"You are the Wind Beneath My Goats"
/h

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SaracensAtTheGates Sat, May 23, 2009 1:12:48pm

re: #111 Charles

I believe it belongs in the classroom alongside other related topics like mythology (on one end of the spectrum) and superstitions of the past that have wreaked havoc on society like the Salem witch hunts (at the other end of the spectrum, the end where ID belongs) so that we can collectively remember why such beliefs are so dangerous to our survival.

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SaracensAtTheGates Sat, May 23, 2009 1:16:04pm

re: #138 subsailor68

OK, OK, OK. I misspelled it. Your comment is hilarious however.

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SaracensAtTheGates Sat, May 23, 2009 1:25:58pm

I concede on all the points made on mentioning ID in the same breath as classic mythology and even primitive shamanism. But I still believe that it belongs in the classroom, just not in the science classroom. I wouldn't even suggest that it should be elevated to inclusion in a course that treats it on par with atheism or any other -ism with the possible exception of creationism. The treatment of ID in a political science curriculum does seem to make more sense than any of the others. Of course such content is usually not presented in high schools but is rather delayed for more mature discourse in a post-secondary education.

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tyree Sat, May 23, 2009 9:19:56pm

re: #92 jcm

JCM,
They were probably talking about transformers. I have heard laptop power supplies and cell phone chargers called "vampires" because they suck juice from the wall even when you are not using them. I am working on a shelf in my closet for all of those chargers so they will all be in one, organized place. One touch of the power strip, all of the chargers go out and there is no electricity waste.

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