More Diseases Coming Back, Thanks to Anti-Vaxers

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Another disease making a big comeback, because of the anti-vaccination craziness spread by irresponsible people like Jenny McCarthy: whooping cough.

Children who aren’t vaccinated against whooping cough are 23 times more likely to develop the disease than children who get all of their shots on time, a new study shows.

Whooping cough, or pertussis, has been making a resurgence in recent years as more parents decide not to vaccinate their children, says Jason Glanz, author of a study in today’s Pediatrics. In a study of 751 children enrolled in Kaiser Permanente of Colorado, one in 20 children who skipped the vaccine developed whooping cough, compared with one in 500 vaccinated children. In all, 11% to 12% of pertussis cases were in unvaccinated children.

Though more than 90% effective, the vaccine doesn’t protect everyone, says Sean O’Leary, an infectious-disease fellow at Children’s Hospital in Denver.

That’s why vaccinating all children is crucial to creating “herd immunity” for the entire community, including newborns who are too young to be immunized, O’Leary says.

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145 comments
1 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:39:46pm

Whoopy? Isn't that what they used to call intercourse on TV in the old days?

2 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:40:39pm

McCarthy is a hypocrite. She got the vaccine and did not have to deal with the consequnces of this, yet she would foist these diseases on others by denying them the vaccines.

3 MrSilverDragon  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:40:42pm

Wouldn't it be nice if the anti-vaccine crowd was tried for murder?

/yes I know that has very little chance of happening, but hey...

4 kynna  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:41:32pm

My brother's family had to be tested for whooping cough and they'd all been immunized. It was not a pleasant test. Especially for the children. They shouldn't have even had to worry about it.

5 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #3 MrSilverDragon

Wouldn't it be nice if the anti-vaccine crowd was tried for murder?

/yes I know that has very little chance of happening, but hey...

They should be charged with child abuse.

6 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #3 MrSilverDragon

Wouldn't it be nice if the anti-vaccine crowd was tried for murder?

/yes I know that has very little chance of happening, but hey...

It could happen, given the right set of circumstances. Though, like you, I would not hold my breath.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:42:00pm

re: #3 MrSilverDragon

Wouldn't it be nice if the anti-vaccine crowd was tried for murder?

/yes I know that has very little chance of happening, but hey...

Or at least had to pay the medical bills of people who got sick. And their own, out of pocket. The insurance companies should not be bound to pay for something they could have prevented.

8 Summer Seale  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:42:13pm

Jenny McCarthy reminds me of one of those mad people who accused scientists in the Middle Ages of being witches because she fears that they go against her religious views.

9 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:42:37pm

If we were back in the days of type-setting, we could make that a standing head; save time for the type-monkeys and printers' devils that way.

10 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:43:05pm

re: #5 DEZes

They should be charged with child abuse.

Somewhere, I remember seeing video of a very young child - about 2 years old, I think - with whooping cough. It's no wonder it used to be a killer.

11 vxbush  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:43:06pm

re: #7 Kosh's Shadow

Or at least had to pay the medical bills of people who got sick. And their own, out of pocket. The insurance companies should not be bound to pay for something they could have prevented.

You know, that may become an issue in being eligible for insurance: that children have been properly vaccinated, especially if this continues.

12 KenJen  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:43:08pm

Anti-vaxers. Say it with a German accent and it sounds like a woman who refuses to remove unsightly body hair.

13 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:43:23pm

re: #5 DEZes

They should be charged with child abuse.

And they think they're better parents than those who do get their kids vaccinated.

14 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:43:52pm

re: #8 Summer

Jenny McCarthy reminds me of one of those mad people who accused scientists in the Middle Ages of being witches because she fears that they go against her religious views.

Proof that we still have those nuts among us.

15 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:44:08pm

re: #9 Guanxi88

If we were back in the days of type-setting, we could make that a standing head; save time for the type-monkeys and printers' devils that way.

Of course, it would make the obituary sections larger, I suppose, although, with economies of scale, the unit-cost might come down.

Grim, but there it is.

16 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #12 KenJen

Anti-vaxers. Say it with a German accent and it sounds like a woman who refuses to remove unsightly body hair.

Jenny is an anti-vaxer, not an anti-waxer. There's some pictorials that spell this out.

17 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:44:23pm
That’s why vaccinating all children is crucial to creating “herd immunity” for the entire community, including newborns who are too young to be immunized

Those newborns are just paid shills for Big Pharma!

18 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:44:30pm

re: #13 Guanxi88

And they think they're better parents than those who do get their kids vaccinated.

They think?
You give them more credit than I do. ;)

19 Sharmuta  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:45:09pm

I feel bad for the children who are the ones that will suffer from their parents stupidity.

20 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #18 DEZes

They think?
You give them more credit than I do. ;)

All right - they imagine themselves to be better. Still, I'd give anything to be able to change their minds on the subject.

21 ointmentfly  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:46:09pm

Where is the doctor from Cannonball Run when we need him?

22 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:46:36pm

re: #21 ointmentfly

Where is the doctor from Cannonball Run when we need him?

Hell, I'd settle for Zoidberg or Dr. Nick Riviera.

23 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:47:00pm

re: #20 Guanxi88

All right - they imagine themselves to be better. Still, I'd give anything to be able to change their minds on the subject.

They need to have a change of mind before the courts have to take action.

24 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #22 Guanxi88

Hell, I'd settle for Zoidberg or Dr. Nick Riviera.

Well, Muppets In Space had a vet called Dr. Van Neuter.

25 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:48:07pm

re: #23 DEZes

They need to have a change of mind before the courts have to take action.

Yeah, that's the other side of it. I'm none too fond of interventions as dramatic as those that may be required should these diseases return in full force and fury; these morons are creating exactly the sort of situation that can lead to the sort of draconian and tyrannical measures they claim to oppose.

26 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:48:30pm

A good question is, why are parents taking advice from a woman like her and a man like her husband? One has silicone implants larger than her brain, and the other is a not-so-funny comedic actor. Neither is a medical doctor.

27 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:49:32pm

re: #24 Kosh's Shadow

Well, Muppets In Space had a vet called Dr. Van Neuter.

Get him on the horn, quick!

These guys sound like they take their advice from Dr. Benway.

28 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:50:16pm

re: #25 Guanxi88

Yeah, that's the other side of it. I'm none too fond of interventions as dramatic as those that may be required should these diseases return in full force and fury; these morons are creating exactly the sort of situation that can lead to the sort of draconian and tyrannical measures they claim to oppose.

Agreed, I would hate to see the issue become a state or federal matter.
But these fools are no better than snake handlers.

29 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:51:29pm

re: #28 DEZes

Agreed, I would hate to see the issue become a state or federal matter.
But these fools are no better than snake handlers.

Well, snake-handlers at least have some basis for their beliefs and practices; one can dispute them, but at least they don't come to the table empty-handed and empty-headed

30 kynna  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:51:39pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

I feel bad for the children who are the ones that will suffer from their parents stupidity.

Not only their children. All the children who come in contact with them if they pick up a disease. They're putting everyone in harm's way for an unsubstantiated -- no, debunked -- notion.

It's disgusting.

31 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:51:51pm

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

A good question is, why are parents taking advice from a woman like her and a man like her husband? One has silicone implants larger than her brain, and the other is a not-so-funny comedic actor. Neither is a medical doctor.

But she will dress like a nurse for a photo shoot.

32 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:52:38pm

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

A good question is, why are parents taking advice from a woman like her and a man like her husband? One has silicone implants larger than her brain, and the other is a not-so-funny comedic actor. Neither is a medical doctor.

I have a series of answers to that, on a sliding scale of cynicism.

Start with anti-intellectualism, the abiding curse of the American character (celebrated by Mark Twain, among others). Continue with the current vogue for dismissing science and logic; add a soupcon of celebrity worship and a dash of sympathy for McCarthy's kids; finish with a zesty dash of misunderstood concepts of "harm reduction" and: Voila!

33 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:53:09pm

re: #29 Guanxi88

Well, snake-handlers at least have some basis for their beliefs and practices; one can dispute them, but at least they don't come to the table empty-handed and empty-headed

Your right, I shouldnt have insulted the snake handlers.

34 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:54:17pm

One of my favorite Benway bits:

Dr. Benway is operating in an auditorium filled with students: "Now, boys, you won't see this operation performed very often and there's a reason for that.... You see it has absolutely no medical value. No one knows what the purpose of it originally was or if it had a purpose at all. Personally I think it was a pure artistic creation from the beginning.

"Just as a bull fighter with his skill and knowledge extricates himself from danger he has himself invoked, so in this operation the surgeon deliberately endangers his patient, and then, with incredible speed and celerity, rescues him from death at the last possible split second.... Did any of you ever see Dr. Tetrazzini perform? I say perform advisedly because his operations were performances. He would start by throwing a scalpel across the room into the patient and then make his entrance like a ballet dancer. His speed was incredible: 'I don't give them time to die,' he would say. Tumors put him in a frenzy of rage. 'F*cking undisciplined cells!' he would snarl, advancing on the tumor like a knife-fighter."

A young man leaps down into the operating theatre and, whipping out a scalpel, advances on the patient.

DR. BENWAY: "An espontaneo! Stop him before he guts my patient!"

(Espontaneo is a bull-fighting term for a member of the audience who leaps down into the ring, pulls out a concealed cape and attempts a few passes with the bull before he is dragged out of the ring.)

The orderlies scuffle with the espontaneo, who is finally ejected from the hall. The anesthetist takes advantage of the confusion to pry a large gold filling from the patient's mouth....

35 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #3 MrSilverDragon

Wouldn't it be nice if the anti-vaccine crowd was tried for murder?

/yes I know that has very little chance of happening, but hey...

There is already ample legal precedent for doing exactly what needs to be done in these cases: have a court order the vaccination. There is absolutely no difference between parents who refuse to have their child vaccinated and parents who refuse to have their child receive chemotherapy for eminently treatable cancers. And the law is quite clear that a court can impose treatment when someone unable to give informed consent is involved and when that person's caretakers are either absent...or abysmally stupid.

Failing that, ship those who don't want vaccinations to some Third World cesspool where vaccination is unheard of and diseases we in the West almost never see, thanks to vaccines, are rampant, and where the toll of maiming and death from those diseases is readily apparent all day, every day, with every breath you take.

36 KenJen  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:54:46pm

The Whooping cough vacc. is usually given with the tetanus, diptheria,and polio vaccs. I wonder if these parents are also skipping these? These people are crazy.

37 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:56:07pm

re: #36 KenJen

The Whooping cough vacc. is usually given with the tetanus, diptheria,and polio vaccs. I wonder if these parents are also skipping these? These people are crazy.

Yes, I think they must be. I heard on local (Austin) news this a.m. about a recent spike in Whooping Cough locally.

38 Summer Seale  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:56:31pm

I also have a quick message as a completely bi girl for Jim Carey:

No pussy is worth doing this to your soul. Grow a fucking pair. EOM.

39 JCM  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:56:54pm

Let's skip vaccines for unproven ideas. And let our kids get proven and preventable diseases.

Yep, stellar thinking.

///

40 spudly  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:57:18pm

Yeesh, these people are idiots. I'd become unglued if my kids got sick from some unvaccinated kids.

41 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:57:25pm

re: #27 Guanxi88

Get him on the horn, quick!

These guys sound like they take their advice from Dr. Benway.

Wow - I haven't thought about him in a while. The evil Dr. Benway, who would make a dramatic entrance into the operating room by bursting through the doors and flinging a scalpel into the anesthetized patient from across the room.

42 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #38 Summer

Vulgar, but direct and to-the-point.

43 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:58:00pm

re: #38 Summer

I also have a quick message as a completely bi girl for Jim Carey:

No pussy is worth doing this to your soul. Grow a fucking pair. EOM.

LMAO!

44 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #41 SixDegrees

Wow - I haven't thought about him in a while. The evil Dr. Benway, who would make a dramatic entrance into the operating room by bursting through the doors and flinging a scalpel into the anesthetized patient from across the room.

Oh, shit - you beat me to it already.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:58:42pm

I have come to the conclusion that Jenny and her man are both douches.

46 rumcrook  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:58:46pm

briiiiing ooooout yer dead! ding ding... ding ding... ~cartwheels clattering on cobblestone~......

47 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:58:47pm

re: #41 SixDegrees

Wow - I haven't thought about him in a while. The evil Dr. Benway, who would make a dramatic entrance into the operating room by bursting through the doors and flinging a scalpel into the anesthetized patient from across the room.

re: #34 Guanxi88

One of my favorite Benway bits:

Dr. Benway is operating in an auditorium filled with students: "Now, boys, you won't see this operation performed very often and there's a reason for that.... You see it has absolutely no medical value. No one knows what the purpose of it originally was or if it had a purpose at all. Personally I think it was a pure artistic creation from the beginning.

"Just as a bull fighter with his skill and knowledge extricates himself from danger he has himself invoked, so in this operation the surgeon deliberately endangers his patient, and then, with incredible speed and celerity, rescues him from death at the last possible split second.... Did any of you ever see Dr. Tetrazzini perform? I say perform advisedly because his operations were performances. He would start by throwing a scalpel across the room into the patient and then make his entrance like a ballet dancer. His speed was incredible: 'I don't give them time to die,' he would say. Tumors put him in a frenzy of rage. 'F*cking undisciplined cells!' he would snarl, advancing on the tumor like a knife-fighter."

A young man leaps down into the operating theatre and, whipping out a scalpel, advances on the patient.

DR. BENWAY: "An espontaneo! Stop him before he guts my patient!"

(Espontaneo is a bull-fighting term for a member of the audience who leaps down into the ring, pulls out a concealed cape and attempts a few passes with the bull before he is dragged out of the ring.)

The orderlies scuffle with the espontaneo, who is finally ejected from the hall. The anesthetist takes advantage of the confusion to pry a large gold filling from the patient's mouth....

Gotta love Benway. Also love the stories of him setting himself up as Minister of Health by taking over a broom closet, the tales of his scalpel fight in the operating room, his baboon surgical assistant, and all the rest of it.

48 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:59:02pm

re: #38 Summer

I also have a quick message as a completely bi girl

[OR begins hasty script re-write for LGF: The Movie]

49 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #21 ointmentfly

Where is the doctor from Cannonball Run when we need him?

Las I heard, he was busy transporting a patient suffering from Swamp Fever.

50 Jack Burton  Tue, May 26, 2009 2:59:17pm

re: #12 KenJen

Anti-vaxers. Say it with a German accent and it sounds like a woman who refuses to remove unsightly body hair.

There's no "w" sound in German, and the letter "v" is pronounced like "f". If you say the word "anti-vaxer" with a German accent it would sound like "Anti-faxer"

So it would be someone who refuses to use fax machines...

/anti-"tijuana Deutsch" nit-pick mode

51 Ojoe  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:00:38pm
That’s why vaccinating all children is crucial to creating “herd immunity” for the entire community, including newborns who are too young to be immunized, O’Leary says.

Shall we act responsibly to the innocent and helpless?

Or not?

52 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:00:52pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

[OR begins hasty script re-write for LGF: The Movie]

nnNNOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

53 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:01:39pm

re: #47 Guanxi88

Gotta love Benway. Also love the stories of him setting himself up as Minister of Health by taking over a broom closet, the tales of his scalpel fight in the operating room, his baboon surgical assistant, and all the rest of it.

I'm gonna have to read Naked Lunch again; it's been years. Totally forgot about the baboon.

54 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:02:06pm

" 'Daddy Longlegs' looked like Uncle Sam on stilts and he ran this osteopath clinic outside East St. Louis and took in a few junky patients. For two notes a week they could stay on the nod in green lawn chairs and look at the oaks and grass stretching down to a little lake in the sun and the nurse moved around the lawn with her silver trays feeding the junk in- We called her 'Mother'- Wouldn't you?- Doc Benway and me was holed up there after a rumble in Dallas involving this aphrodisiac ointment and Doc goofed on ether and mixed in too much Spanish Fly and burned the pr*ck off the Police Commissioner straight away- So we come to 'Daddy Longlegs' to cool off and found him cool and casual in a dark room with potted rubber plants and a silver tray on the table where he like to see a week in advance- The nurse showed us to a room with rose wallpaper and we had this bell any hour of the day or night ring and the nurse charged in with a loaded hypo- Well one day we were sitting out in the lawn chairs with lap robes and it was a fall day trees turning and the sun cold on the lake- Doc picks up a piece of grass- "Junk turns you on vegetable- It's green, see?- A green fix should last a long time."

We checked out of the clinic and rented a house and Doc starts cooking up this green junk and the basement was of tanks smelled like a compost heap of junkies- So finally he draws off this heavy green fluid and loads it into a hypo big as a bicycle pump- "Now we must find a worthy vessel," he said and we flush out this old goof ball artist and told him it was pure Chinese H from the Ling Dynasty and Doc shoots the whole pint of green into the main line and the Yellow Jacket turns fibrous grey green and withered up like an old turnip and I said: "I'm getting out of here, me", and Doc said: "An unworthy vessel obviously- I withdraw from the case."

55 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:02:39pm

re: #53 SixDegrees

I'm gonna have to read Naked Lunch again; it's been years. Totally forgot about the baboon.

and i just got back from a science fiction convention. NOT the non-sequitur i needed at this juncture!

(Braaaaaaaaiins...)

56 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:02:42pm

re: #53 SixDegrees

I'm gonna have to read Naked Lunch again; it's been years. Totally forgot about the baboon.

Gladys, the only woman he ever gave a damn about. Had to protect her, you understand, which is how he lost his license.

57 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:04:47pm

Benway on junk:

"Some of my learned colleagues (nameless assholes) have suggested that junk derives its euphoric effect from direct stimulation of the orgasm center. It seems more probable that junk suspends the whole cycle of tension, discharge and rest. The orgasm has no function in the junky. Boredom, which always indicates an un-discharged tension, never troubles the addict. He can look at his shoe for eight hours. He is only roused to action when the hourglass of junk runs out."

58 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:05:50pm

re: #55 Querent

BayCon?

59 ointmentfly  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:08:14pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All I know is that he injected himself a couple of times in front of the "patient" Farrah Fawcett.

People need not look further than the vultures sucking our healthcare system dry - lawyers. Why aren't they circling the vaccine makers? Maybe because there is no money to be made?

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:08:37pm

Test

61 Teh Flowah  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:08:51pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

McCarthy is a hypocrite. She got the vaccine and did not have to deal with the consequnces of this, yet she would foist these diseases on others by denying them the vaccines.

How does this follow. Unless she had the vaccine at such an age where SHE made the choice to get it, and was not vaccinated at a young age like nearly everyone else, she is not a hypocrite.

She's still retarded however.

62 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:09:12pm

Yep, old Bill Burroughs anticipated these frauds and quacks by decades with Benway. You read about him, and you understand he's deranged and incompetent. Why can't people see that the anti-vaxxers are even worse?

63 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:09:53pm

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

A good question is, why are parents taking advice from a woman like her and a man like her husband? One has silicone implants larger than her brain, and the other is a not-so-funny comedic actor. Neither is a medical doctor.

Or, as Joan Rivers said of the blond playmate on Celebrity Apprentice, "Both of her breasts can count to ten."

64 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Test

Marco!

65 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:11:03pm

re: #61 Teh Flowah

How does this follow. Unless she had the vaccine at such an age where SHE made the choice to get it, and was not vaccinated at a young age like nearly everyone else, she is not a hypocrite.

She's still retarded however.

Think she blames her stupidity on the vaccines? She blames vaccination for everything else.

66 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:11:57pm

re: #55 Querent

and i just got back from a science fiction convention. NOT the non-sequitur i needed at this juncture!

(Braaaaaaaaiins...)

I think the world of sci-fi is a lot safer and saner than reality these days. Maybe those trekkies are onto something after all.

67 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:12:13pm

re: #58 Dianna

BayCon?

Yep.

(Zombies are the new Klingons)

68 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:12:17pm

Well, at least they've managed to nip autism in the bud.//
Not.


Sigh.

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:12:27pm

The Homeschool movement has a fair number of anti-vaccer's. It's very non-scientific, and not particularly logical.

This is about pasteurized milk, not vaccine, but it illustrates the thinking. One Mom told her kids: I drank a lot of un-pasteurized milk, and I never got sick.

70 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:12:32pm

re: #62 Guanxi88

They don't want to.

I think middle-America has become addicted to drama; there is no excitement in getting one's children vaccinated, keeping them neat and clean, raising them to be quiet and polite. No one is going to make a reality show about that! It's boring!

That's why they can't see the anti-vaxxers are worse. That's why - until too many parents follow a too-small coffin to the cemetery - they will refuse to see it.

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:12:59pm

re: #64 Guanxi88

Marco!

Polo!

I was changing my avatar back from the memorial day avatar.

72 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:13:13pm

re: #67 Querent

I have friends in FLARE.

73 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #67 Querent

Yep.

(Zombies are the new Klingons)

Hopefully that means less talking

74 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:13:32pm

re: #66 Guanxi88

I think the world of sci-fi is a lot safer and saner than reality these days. Maybe those trekkies are onto something after all.

I just wish they would not dress the part, especially the Klingons. They're like clowns--the creepiness is palpable.

75 Jack Burton  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:14:03pm

re: #65 Guanxi88

Think she blames her stupidity on the vaccines? She blames vaccination for everything else.

It wouldn't surprise me to see this:

Al Reuters: McCarthy blames Black Plague on early medieval attempts at vaccination.

76 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hopefully that means less talking

No, it just means the requirements are lower.

77 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:14:44pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Test

I forgot to study.
/

78 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #72 Dianna

very cool.

i have a small cuddly critter with his own fan club.

79 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:14:59pm

re: #70 Dianna

I think you're right about the addiction to drama. Everyone wants to be interesting.

The fact is, they're not; we are, none of us, all that interesting, although I exclude, of course, present company. The details of my life would be dull beyond belief; excitement and drama are what happen when things go wrong. Why the hell don't people understand this?

80 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:15:15pm

re: #74 calcajun

I just wish they would not dress the part, especially the Klingons. They're like clowns--the creepiness is palpable.

Clearly, you do not understand costume groups.

That's all right, though: I understand them.

81 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:16:02pm

re: #74 calcajun

I just wish they would not dress the part, especially the Klingons. They're like clowns--the creepiness is palpable.

Yes, anyone over about age 10 who plays dress-up is always disturbing. One doesn't know whether to seek out help for them, or move at high speed in the other direction.

82 albusteve  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #61 Teh Flowah

How does this follow. Unless she had the vaccine at such an age where SHE made the choice to get it, and was not vaccinated at a young age like nearly everyone else, she is not a hypocrite.

She's still retarded however.

retarded is a very poor descriptive...you might rethink using it here

83 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:17:04pm

re: #81 Guanxi88

Yes, anyone over about age 10 who plays dress-up is always disturbing. One doesn't know whether to seek out help for them, or move at high speed in the other direction.

fine, Guanxi, don't come play on my front lawn, but i'll still upding you every time you make me grin with your snarky observations.

(says a three-time costume award winner)

84 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:17:54pm

re: #79 Guanxi88

Because a lot of us never grow up, and always play to an excited audience of one. It's adolescent, but that's the modern world. We pad the edges so thoroughly that many people never grow up, and we remain entirely self-centered and fascinating to ourselves.

Can you imagine any truly adult person wanting to appear on Survivor, or Big Brother, or any of those "reality" shows?

85 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:18:41pm

re: #81 Guanxi88

Yes, anyone over about age 10 who plays dress-up is always disturbing. One doesn't know whether to seek out help for them, or move at high speed in the other direction.

Does that cover injured veteran meets hot nurse because I might need to return the costume then? The wife will be disappointed.

86 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:18:49pm

re: #83 Querent

fine, Guanxi, don't come play on my front lawn, but i'll still upding you every time you make me grin with your snarky observations.

(says a three-time costume award winner)

I heard that someone showed up for the auction dressed as Caprica Six?

87 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:19:45pm

re: #84 Dianna

Because a lot of us never grow up, and always play to an excited audience of one. It's adolescent, but that's the modern world. We pad the edges so thoroughly that many people never grow up, and we remain entirely self-centered and fascinating to ourselves.

Can you imagine any truly adult person wanting to appear on Survivor, or Big Brother, or any of those "reality" shows?

I had some friends who were recruited to appear on one of those. (Wife Swap) They got as far as the applications, and then looked at the paperwork and what was required of them and said no.

88 brookly red  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:19:54pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Does that cover injured veteran meets hot nurse because I might need to return the costume then? The wife will be disappointed.

depends... who is the nurse?

89 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Does that cover injured veteran meets hot nurse because I might need to return the costume then? The wife will be disappointed.

Thats role playing, keep the costumes. ;)

90 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #86 Dianna

I heard that someone showed up for the auction dressed as Caprica Six?

i didn't go to the auction, but i'm certainly willing to believe you.

(after all, we had two Ghostbusters and more than our fair share of Jules Verne Revival...)

91 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:20:06pm

re: #84 Dianna

Because a lot of us never grow up, and always play to an excited audience of one. It's adolescent, but that's the modern world. We pad the edges so thoroughly that many people never grow up, and we remain entirely self-centered and fascinating to ourselves.

Can you imagine any truly adult person wanting to appear on Survivor, or Big Brother, or any of those "reality" shows?

Noel Coward asked the musical question: "What's going to happen to the children/when there aren't any more grown ups?"

92 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:20:17pm

re: #83 Querent

fine, Guanxi, don't come play on my front lawn, but i'll still upding you every time you make me grin with your snarky observations.

(says a three-time costume award winner)

The ones who actually can sew and make an outfit that rivals what Paramount's wardrobe department could devise are to be applauded for their ingenuity and dedication. It's the bad ones that cause me to shudder --especially when the ears and foreheads keep falling off.

I'd much rather sit around and hash out plot holes, story and character development, etc.

93 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:20:42pm

re: #88 brookly red

depends... who is the nurse?

We take turns.

94 Querent  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:21:22pm

re: #92 calcajun

The ones who actually can sew and make an outfit that rivals what Paramount's wardrobe department could devise are to be applauded for their ingenuity and dedication. It's the bad ones that cause me to shudder --especially when the ears and foreheads keep falling off.

I'd much rather sit around and hash out plot holes, story and character development, etc.

well, my friend, we have panels and workshops and groups of common interest where you can do just that!

95 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We take turns.

Now I am worried. ;)

96 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:21:34pm

re: #81 Guanxi88

Yes, anyone over about age 10 who plays dress-up is always disturbing. One doesn't know whether to seek out help for them, or move at high speed in the other direction.

Between consenting adults--and with a clear safe-word-- is ok. It's just when they take the act outside the hotel room into the Trek convention that it gets awkward.

97 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We take turns.

Waaaay TMI.

98 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:22:34pm

re: #96 calcajun

Between consenting adults--and with a clear safe-word-- is ok. It's just when they take the act outside the hotel room into the Trek convention that it gets awkward.

That's different, of course. We're talking about out and about in public. "indoor sports" are, of course, and entirely separate matter - and, within the limitations you note - to be encouraged.

99 JWill  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:22:39pm

I don't know if this new monkey fossil proves that man is evolving or not. But this whole anti-vaccination movement gives me doubts that we are mentally evolving.

People are just stoopid.

100 ted  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:01pm

Thanks Oprah.

101 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:07pm

re: #95 DEZes

Now I am worried. ;)

We've got different costumes for the male and female nurse you perverts!

102 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #96 calcajun

Between consenting adults--and with a clear safe-word-- is ok. It's just when they take the act outside the hotel room into the Trek convention that it gets awkward.

You've never been to the Renaissance Faire?

103 simonml  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:19pm

I have seen children die of whooping cough. The very very young tend to catch it from an older sibling or parent who was not immunized. Its not just their own children these anti vaxers put at risk. Its the young children their children may interact with.

104 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:21pm

re: #86 Dianna

Or was that really Tricia Helfer... the mind boggles.//

105 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:23:21pm

re: #100 ted

Thanks Oprah.

Damn! Two words, and you sum it up perfectly.

106 albusteve  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:24:35pm

re: #84 Dianna

Because a lot of us never grow up, and always play to an excited audience of one. It's adolescent, but that's the modern world. We pad the edges so thoroughly that many people never grow up, and we remain entirely self-centered and fascinating to ourselves.

Can you imagine any truly adult person wanting to appear on Survivor, or Big Brother, or any of those "reality" shows?

it's very lucrative so why not?....gullibility is paying very well these days, that's why JM can dictate via Oprah or wharever...it's a fucked up world and fantasy is rapidly replacing reality

107 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:24:39pm

re: #102 Russkilitlover

Alas, yes. Hardly realistic. Everyone had straight white teeth and smelled OK.

108 brookly red  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We've got different costumes for the male and female nurse you perverts!

glad that one size does not fit all...

109 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:25:04pm

re: #104 calcajun

Or was that really Tricia Helfer... the mind boggles.//

I wasn't there, so I cannot answer that. But my contacts say she didn't quite have the figure.

110 SixDegrees  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:25:21pm

re: #99 JWill

I don't know if this new monkey fossil proves that man is evolving or not. But this whole anti-vaccination movement gives me doubts that we are mentally evolving.

People are just stoopid.

It's a common evolutionary trend that organs which are no longer used gradually disappear. Think blind cave fish. Think Jenny McCarthy's brain.

Although the latter is more a case of atrophy, I suspect. I've got no information on her parentage to base an evolutionary argument on.

111 Kragar  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #108 brookly red

glad that one size does not fit all...

We kept stretching out the stocki....WAIT!

112 DEZes  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:25:53pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We've got different costumes for the male and female nurse you perverts!

Pervertist!

113 Dianna  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:26:39pm

I'm out.

Take care, lizards!

Oh, and readers who haven't either sent an excuse or submitted any comments? Could you please - even if it's that you squicked?

114 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:27:15pm

100 posts into an anti vax thread and it's turned into a screening of Rocky Horror?

115 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:27:16pm

Does it amuse the tiny mites/ To see their parents high as kites?/ What's going to happen to the tots?

116 brookly red  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #114 Jim in Virginia

100 posts into an anti vax thread and it's turned into a screening of Rocky Horror?

It's astounding...

117 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:27:59pm

re: #114 Jim in Virginia

100 posts into an anti vax thread and it's turned into a screening of Rocky Horror?

Well, in fairness, we got their by way of Benway and have sorta moved on to Noel Coward and consensual non-consensualism.

118 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #109 Dianna

I wasn't there, so I cannot answer that. But my contacts say she didn't quite have the figure.

That's what I'm on about! Having 45 year-old, 5'-10", 200+ lb. (single) chiropractors dress up as Worf of all people is just wrong.

119 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:29:56pm

re: #114 Jim in Virginia

and that's bad because? It's a tender subject...

120 enoughalready  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:31:06pm

Measles. Whooping cough. Just wait until we get TB back. Oh the joy.

121 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:31:34pm

re: #120 enoughalready

Measles. Whooping cough. Just wait until we get TB back. Oh the joy.

Get it back? Where have you been? It's all over the place, stronger than ever.

122 calcajun  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:32:01pm

re: #120 enoughalready

Measles. Whooping cough. Just wait until we get TB back. Oh the joy.

Smallpox. Mustn't forget Smallpox.

123 nyc redneck  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:32:32pm

i really question the motivation of these hollywoof elitists.
do they really believe it is wise to go back to a medieval approach to medicine?
or do they just need a pet cause to basically promote themselves and get attention.
these people should not be given a forum to spew their dangerous beliefs.
they bring no facts or information to refute science and medicine.
they bring their feelings and passion in such a misguided detrimental way.
they are creating a situation that will have a grave impact on innocent children.
and it will be many of their own who will suffer.
there is no reason to tolerate this. these people are ignorant and irresponsible.
we need to stick to public health dept. requirements for proven vaccines to protect society.
that need trumps anything these stupid people 'believe'.

124 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:33:26pm

re: #122 calcajun

Smallpox. Mustn't forget Smallpox.

An oldie but a goodie. The nostalgia for certain "social diseases" is already satisfied, thanks to clap and other old friends roaring back into style like bell bottoms and tie-dyed shirts.

125 1SG(ret)  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:34:49pm
In all, 11% to 12% of pertussis cases were in unvaccinated children.

This statement is kind of confusing. Dose this mean 88% to 89% of cases are in vaccinated people? This may have already been talked about, but haven't been able to read the whole thread.

126 Jim in Virginia  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:35:34pm

re: #119 calcajun Not judging, just an observation.


Where's my Frodo costume?

127 ted  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:35:43pm
128 Guanxi88  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:41:19pm

re: #126 Jim in Virginia

Not judging, just an observation.

Where's my Frodo costume?

Still at the cleaners'.

129 simonml  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #125 1SG(ret)

This statement is kind of confusing. Dose this mean 88% to 89% of cases are in vaccinated people? This may have already been talked about, but haven't been able to read the whole thread.

Didn't make sense to me either. Its based on a study of 751 children in Colorado. I think the risk of transmission is 1 in 500 in vaccinated children and 1 in 20 in unvaccinated children. That's pretty good improvement

130 1SG(ret)  Tue, May 26, 2009 3:48:09pm

re: #129 simonml
Thanks, vaccination should be a given for children, the odds are too high without it.

131 Dahveed  Tue, May 26, 2009 4:33:38pm

I am traveling to India in a few weeks for business and I had to get vaccinated for Typhoid, Polio, Tetanus, Menningitis, and Hepatitis A & B. I also had to get a prescription for Malaria. Granted I am an adult and the anti-vaxers are talking about children, but my guess is that so many of these diseases would be under better control if these vaccines were more widely available in the third world. The children in the richest countries in the world should have every protection possible against these horrible diseases. I hope all children in the world could be protected. The good vastly outweighs the bad in this case.

132 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 26, 2009 4:42:46pm

I seem to remember that my children needed to show proof of vaccination to get into schools when they were young.

What has happened?

133 AFVetWife  Tue, May 26, 2009 4:46:04pm

My children were certainly vaccinated against all diseases, my grandson is/will be, and I'm sure my future grandson (due in October) will be also. Any parent who does not take advantages of these precautions is, at the least, lacking common sense.

134 EaterOfFood  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:49:25pm

re: #1 Nevergiveup

Whoopy? Isn't that what they used to call intercourse on TV in the old days?

Now the only Whoopi on TV makes you not want to have intercourse.

135 EaterOfFood  Tue, May 26, 2009 5:50:32pm

re: #13 Guanxi88

And they think they're better parents than those who do get their kids vaccinated.

Most people tend to believe that what they are doing is good, even if it isn't.

136 Pupdawg  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:14:36pm

Anti-vaxers vex me greatly.

137 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:19:53pm

What's the big deal. Evolutionists should find this thrilling. Having survival of the fittest being played out before their eyes. Why a new species of human might arise out of this process. After all life must be a dice game and just cause you're not the winner, doesn't mean that the winners suck. This will all get sorted out in time, the evolutionist's friend and perhaps in the future they will look back and say how quaint and irrational were human's complaints against their non vaccinated countrymen since that led to hardier humans with stronger non medically induced immunities to diseases.

138 Pupdawg  Tue, May 26, 2009 6:35:54pm

True story. Not too long ago while waiting for an open operating room for emergency gall bladder removal I was fortunate enough to be in a 'room' nextdoor to a male, hispanic patient (who spoke spanish mainly) who had a very active case of whooping cough. Waited for about 9 hours in the room protected by a curtain closure next to his. Also, shared a community pre-op hallway and bathroom used by this guy who refused to cover his mouth when he whooped all day long. It sounded awful. Whooping cough is a terrible thing that can also be deadly. The nurses literally screamed orders and warnings at him all day. He refused to cover his mouth with any consistency. I was in no physical condition to complain to the staff. It was a very scary day. Compared to this tension-filled wait, surgery was a piece of cake even with post-surgery complications.

139 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 26, 2009 7:27:48pm

re: #137 eaglewingz08

Are you nuts?

140 redc1c4  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:21:58pm

re: #139 Charles

Are you nuts?

evidently......

BTW: i sent you a link on this same subject earlier today, but quoting a different news agency.... GMTA or lost in the shuffle?

141 EaterOfFood  Tue, May 26, 2009 8:53:30pm

re: #137 eaglewingz08

What's the big deal. Evolutionists should find this thrilling. Having survival of the fittest being played out before their eyes. Why a new species of human might arise out of this process. After all life must be a dice game and just cause you're not the winner, doesn't mean that the winners suck. This will all get sorted out in time, the evolutionist's friend and perhaps in the future they will look back and say how quaint and irrational were human's complaints against their non vaccinated countrymen since that led to hardier humans with stronger non medically induced immunities to diseases.

That's just monstrous.

142 debutaunt  Wed, May 27, 2009 8:24:54am

re: #137 eaglewingz08

What's the big deal. Evolutionists should find this thrilling. Having survival of the fittest being played out before their eyes. Why a new species of human might arise out of this process. After all life must be a dice game and just cause you're not the winner, doesn't mean that the winners suck. This will all get sorted out in time, the evolutionist's friend and perhaps in the future they will look back and say how quaint and irrational were human's complaints against their non vaccinated countrymen since that led to hardier humans with stronger non medically induced immunities to diseases.

Swiller of drink?

143 esther_ar  Wed, May 27, 2009 11:31:05am

I don't recall this coming up here before, but this is worth a watch. Have some tissues handy.

144 kite_eating_tree  Wed, May 27, 2009 1:14:17pm

Giving a child a vaccine puts the child at risk.
Not giving a vaccine puts the child at risk.

There is a point where the risk of giving a vaccine is greater than not giving it. For example, if your child lives in the US their chance of getting Polio is near 0 and in the almost impossible circumstance that they contract Polio the chance that they will have any permanent effect is low.
The chance of an adverse reaction to the vaccine is very rare but still much higher than the chance they will ever get Polio.
What does a parent choose in this circumstance where the chance of fatality or permanent injury is more probable from GIVING the vaccine?
Each parent must decide what is right for their own child.
If enough people stop giving a vaccine and the risk increases than the parent should take that into account.
Did you give your child a Smallpox vaccine? Soldiers get them. Could a soldier not bring home the disease? Someone, somewhere calculated the risk and said we no longer have to give this vaccine.
Whooping cough is a tough call. There are thousands of cases every year. The main problem with whooping cough is adults carry it with little problem and give it to children under 2, which is when it can be fatal. Did you get your whooping cough vaccine recently? No, even though the adult population is the reservoir for the disease and you probably are no longer immune.
As a public health matter vaccines work, they rarely have negative side effects, the choice is easy--everybody should vaccinate.
A parent's responsibility is to their children first an foremost not the public. So if you are a parent the decision is not so easy. If you are a public health official than the choice is easy.

145 nomra  Thu, May 28, 2009 7:19:27am

If you haven't read this article, I strongly recommended it. It's succinct and good to pass on to people who may have been "infected" by anti-vax nonsense...

Anti-Vaccination Fever
The Shot Hurt Around the World
"Sensationalist media, religious fanatics, and alternative medical practitioners fanned the fires created by questionable research to spawn worldwide epidemics of a disease that had almost been forgotten."

If that doesn't help, then they don't want the facts...


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