Kindle DX Ships This Week

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External ImageThe Kindle DX will start shipping this Wednesday, June 10th — earlier than I expected. If you saw any of my previous posts about the Kindle you know I have a serious tech crush on this gadget, and I still use it every single day. Now I’m trying to resist the powerful urge to throw caution to the wind and give in to impulse buying fever. (If you’re thinking of taking the plunge into Kindleville, you should also consider the Kindle 2, which has a smaller screen — but it’s $130 less.)

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1 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:48:56pm

I so want the Kindle 2, it's sick.

2 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:49:38pm

re: #1 doppelganglander

I so want the Kindle 2, it's sick.

I have the kindle 2, I love it.

CHARLES, I think you need to go for it!

3 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:50:01pm

*sigh* I wish that they would make the Kindle available in Canada. Even my favorite sci-fi e-book publisher has Kindle friendly books. And I read a lot of books.

4 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:51:01pm

re: #3 BlueCanuck

*sigh* I wish that they would make the Kindle available in Canada. Even my favorite sci-fi e-book publisher has Kindle friendly books. And I read a lot of books.

What's preventing you from buying it? It won't work in Canada?

5 jaunte  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:51:56pm

How long do you think it will be before they produce a color Kindle?

6 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:52:06pm
7 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:52:09pm

Charles, I had the opportunity to "social engineer" my way into the Apple Worldwide Developers' Conference tomorrow, at which the new iPhone and Snow Leopard will be debuted. However, out of laziness and other priorities, I opted out. I could have filed up-to-the-minute LGF exclusives as things were revealed! But I decided so many other people would be doing the same thing on the tech blogs, that it wasn't worth the effort.

In any case, I apologize for not being pro-active!

8 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:53:07pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

Is it true that it's better to buy a single Kindle than to curse the book-lack?

Nice!

9 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:53:56pm

I like the concept, but is it easy to get used too? I like the feel of paper when I am reading books. I'm sure that is because I've been conditioned, but still - hmm.

10 Dahveed  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:54:46pm

So tempting. But just a little too costly for me at this point.

11 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:55:33pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

I have the kindle 2, I love it.

CHARLES, I think you need to go for it!

Trying real hard not to be jealous...

12 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:55:41pm

re: #4 reine.de.tout

What's preventing you from buying it? It won't work in Canada?

Nope, and they don't even offer it on Amazon.Ca . Which is a real shame because I am a big e-book reader. I have over 200 novels archived. Free ones and ones I bought. From the sounds of things the Kindle would be light years beyond my palm pilot for reading.

13 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:56:13pm

re: #9 ArmyWife

I like the concept, but is it easy to get used too? I like the feel of paper when I am reading books. I'm sure that is because I've been conditioned, but still - hmm.

Same here. Although I read most of my news on the Internet all day, I still that one Old Fashion Paper Paper in the AM with my coffee.

14 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:56:29pm

And it seems to me that you read your book
On a Kindle in the dark
Never having to turn the page
or use a bookmark.
And I would have liked to have known books
when paper was the rage.
My Kindle'll burn out soon enough
My old books never did.

15 TedStriker  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #3 BlueCanuck

*sigh* I wish that they would make the Kindle available in Canada. Even my favorite sci-fi e-book publisher has Kindle friendly books. And I read a lot of books.

If Amazon.ca is not selling Kindles (for whatever reason), maybe you can get with a US Lizard to broker a purchase for you...

16 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:57:55pm

For those on the fence, go for it if you can afford it.

I have a Sony Reader, and I use it every day. I adore it. It is for reading books by and large, though you can download news via computer connection. I bought it to read books downloaded from the Internet, and it was an answer to prayer for me. I burned out several PDAs before the Reader came out. I love the thing.

Charles has not gone mad - these reader things are awesome. Read about the Kindle and see if it suits your needs.

17 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:58:23pm

re: #14 zombie

I am a creature of both worlds.
But stacks of books on the shelf
Or gigs of books that I can carry
One requires a truck,
The other just a pouch.

18 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #15 talon_262

Part of the problem is the wireless connection that comes with it. Sure I can download from my computer but that would be only half the function.

19 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 12:59:34pm

re: #9 ArmyWife

I like the concept, but is it easy to get used too? I like the feel of paper when I am reading books. I'm sure that is because I've been conditioned, but still - hmm.

I like the feel of paper too, but in some ways the Kindle is a lot more comfortable than a book. It's very light, and you never have to hold the pages open -- especially comfy for reading in bed.

20 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:00:34pm

re: #19 Charles

I like the feel of paper too, but in some ways the Kindle is a lot more comfortable than a book. It's very light, and you never have to hold the pages open -- especially comfy for reading in bed.

This is gonna kill the bookmark business!

21 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:01:48pm

re: #5 jaunte

How long do you think it will be before they produce a color Kindle?

Years, apparently.

22 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:03:08pm

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Nope, and they don't even offer it on Amazon.Ca . Which is a real shame because I am a big e-book reader. I have over 200 novels archived. Free ones and ones I bought. From the sounds of things the Kindle would be light years beyond my palm pilot for reading.

If you can't use a Kindle in Canada, you might consider a Sony Reader. If you want it to read books - and just to read books - then you won't miss the other bells and whistles that the Kindle has. You can get books from Sony Connect, and it will work with just about any non-locked book. Secure books need to be in the proper format. Sony Connect has those, but I think Fictionwise is working on offering them - converting books to that format.

23 TedStriker  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:03:26pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

This is gonna kill the bookmark business!

Bookmarks...the new buggy whips!

;-P

24 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:03:29pm

I still think that Kindles, netbooks, the upcoming Apple iTablet, and super-Blackberries are heading for a horrific four-way head-on collision in the middle of the marketplace. It's gonna be ugly, as the technologies converge from four different directions.

25 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:03:41pm

I've decided I need to buy a Kindle. Now I have to choose between the big one and the small one. Leaving aside the price difference, I wonder if I'd prefer the portability of the small one, versus the ability to see more text and avoid frequent page turns on the big one.

26 jaunte  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:04:19pm

re: #21 Last Mohican

Thanks. It would be good to have one, but I don't want to spend the money and have a color option come out a couple of months later.

27 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:04:52pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

This is gonna kill the bookmark business!

Sure is! Although any business in which your product can be easily replaced by an index card or a receipt from one's last trip to Wal-Mart is a shaky business to begin with.

28 brookly red  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:00pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

This is gonna kill the bookmark business!

they will restructure, and bookmark united workers will still get lifetime health care.

29 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:22pm

re: #24 zombie

That will be ugly with sprockets flying all over the place. ;) I hate my blackberry. It is only out of necessity that I carry it.

30 MellyMel  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:33pm

re: #4 reine.de.tout

I worked for Sprint for 11 years, and no it won't work in Canada becuase the Kindle uses Sprint's EVDO Rev A data network and Sprint doesn't have service in Canada. Sucks tho. It's funny, I never really fully appreciated Sprint's data network until I got my Kindle. Now I worship it!

31 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:45pm

But if I buy a Kindle, what will keep my walls from collapsing? Currently the 13,487 books I have stacked up everywhere are keeping the house standing upright.

32 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:50pm

re: #24 zombie

I still think that Kindles, netbooks, the upcoming Apple iTablet, and super-Blackberries are heading for a horrific four-way head-on collision in the middle of the marketplace. It's gonna be ugly, as the technologies converge from four different directions.

That's been going on for years in the ebook biz - more like comets streaking back and forth in a small gym. That's why I have a lot of ebook conversion software on my comp.

33 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:05:52pm

re: #23 talon_262

Bookmarks...the new buggy whips!

;-P

Bail out?

34 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:06:03pm

I am wondering how long it takes Amazon to "Microsoft" this thing. Oh, yeah, you bought the book a while back, but since we have this neat new way to get it to you you will have to pay up for the newest version of the hardware. Sorry, you can't download the old version to use with your old version of the Kindle. Color me cynical. I'll take mine on dead trees for a while.

35 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:07:00pm

re: #22 Catttt

I am currently using a Palm Zire 31 for my e-books. Bought it new four years ago, but the LCD screen has a few minor issues. I can't complain too much over my use of it. But with the amount of books I have read on it I think I should get a dedicated reader. Will just have to shop around and see what else is out there that I can use. From what I have heard and seen online I think that the Kindle would be great. How come Canada is always left behind on the cool stuff? After all we are just a hop skip and jump away from our southern cousins.

/always the bridesmaid, never the bride. :)

36 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:07:13pm

re: #19 Charles

Good points. I do most of my recreational reading in bed. I need a trial version.

Now I need to get off my rear and go run.

37 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:07:21pm

re: #29 ArmyWife

That will be ugly with sprockets flying all over the place. ;) I hate my blackberry. It is only out of necessity that I carry it.

I remember all the blackberrys going outside to get a connection to call during a break in a professional class I took. My Virgin Mobile cheapo worked fine in the building. :D

38 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #34 Shr_Nfr

That has been my main reason for not buying one. When I buy a real paper book, it's mine to keep forever. But when I buy any kind of file, including a Kindle book, I can only use it while I continue to have software and hardware that can read it. And I'd be at Amazon's mercy -- whenever they wanted, they could force me to pay them more money, or I'd never see my books again.

39 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:08:03pm

Report: Glavine may file grievance

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

I got no horse in this race, being a Yankee fan and all. But this guy has balls. He ripped the Mets off for a few years and now can hardly reach home plate and he is gonna sue?

40 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:08:55pm

By the way, I became addicted to ebooks because of Larry Niven.

Someone salted a free Larry Niven story online with a link to Fictionwise. It was all over for me right there. A bookstore in my living room - heaven.

41 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:09:10pm

Crap, I think it's time for my nap. I will just dream of the day when I can buy a Kindle and hold it proud. I give it another 3 years.

42 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #38 Last Mohican

Book blackmail conspiracy theories? *cue ominous music*

I'm teasing. And avoiding running.

43 brookly red  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:10:18pm

re: #33 Nevergiveup

Bail out?

no need... we can re-print centerfolds to a bookmark format & increase readership at the same time. they are 2.95 each, can I put you down for ten? (recycled paper of course)

44 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:10:26pm

re: #42 ArmyWife

Book blackmail conspiracy theories? *cue ominous music*

I'm teasing. And avoiding running.

Keep teasing. I'm avoiding running too.

45 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:11:11pm

re: #35 BlueCanuck

I am currently using a Palm Zire 31 for my e-books. Bought it new four years ago, but the LCD screen has a few minor issues. I can't complain too much over my use of it. But with the amount of books I have read on it I think I should get a dedicated reader. Will just have to shop around and see what else is out there that I can use. From what I have heard and seen online I think that the Kindle would be great. How come Canada is always left behind on the cool stuff? After all we are just a hop skip and jump away from our southern cousins.

/always the bridesmaid, never the bride. :)

I feel your pain. I spent YEARS using PDAs, and I wore them out - not meant for constant readers. My Sony Reader is my top most favorite tech thing.

46 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:11:21pm

re: #40 Catttt

Check out Baen books. They have a free library that you can download to read and share. Lots of books in many formats. Thats how I got hooked on e-books.

47 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:11:29pm

re: #12 BlueCanuck

Nope, and they don't even offer it on Amazon.Ca . Which is a real shame because I am a big e-book reader. I have over 200 novels archived. Free ones and ones I bought. From the sounds of things the Kindle would be light years beyond my palm pilot for reading.

Oh, yes, it would be. It's almost like reading a paper book, except the pages don't flip over on top of the one you're reading, and you can carry around MANY books on one small device. The font size is adjustable, too, so I can have a larger font when I want it. I love it.

48 ArmyWife  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:11:58pm

re: #44 Last Mohican

Allright. Enough avoidance. Grab the water bottle and let's go. Our thighs will thank us.

49 Pythagoras  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:12:16pm

Charles, you should get a commission. I just pre-ordered one with the leather case (overpriced at another $50). The screen area is 161% larger. That's a big help at my age.

50 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:13:00pm

Okay, this could go on forever. See you all on the flip side. Keep reading no matter which format you choose.

51 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:13:09pm

re: #38 Last Mohican

That has been my main reason for not buying one. When I buy a real paper book, it's mine to keep forever. But when I buy any kind of file, including a Kindle book, I can only use it while I continue to have software and hardware that can read it. And I'd be at Amazon's mercy -- whenever they wanted, they could force me to pay them more money, or I'd never see my books again.

I still buy "real" copies of books I know I'll want to keep. But for those books that I know I don't necessarily want to have forever - kindle is the way to go.

52 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:13:55pm

21:48 Ex-U.S. President Carter to visit Israel, Syria, West Bank and Gaza this week (AP

My only question: Why are they letting him into Israel?

53 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:14:09pm

re: #34 Shr_Nfr

I am wondering how long it takes Amazon to "Microsoft" this thing. Oh, yeah, you bought the book a while back, but since we have this neat new way to get it to you you will have to pay up for the newest version of the hardware. Sorry, you can't download the old version to use with your old version of the Kindle. Color me cynical. I'll take mine on dead trees for a while.

I agree.

There is still way too much proprietariness in the digital world.

File types need to be standardized and have "open frameworks" or whatever it's called. I can't stand how there are 15 different kind of audio files, many of which are not mutually compatible; 27 different kind of video files, half of which won't play on whatever machine you're using; 53 kinds of image files; and yes, even several different kinds of eBook files.

Adobe was very smart to let "pdf" files be used by all sorts of applications and OSes, and not be proprietary to Adobe. And jpegs are nicely universal. But dang if there aren't simply too much speciality file formats still floating around. It's ridiculous -- it's like having 10 different electrical household appliances in your home, each with different shaped prongs for their plugs. The industry needs to get its act together.

54 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:14:50pm

re: #31 zombie

But if I buy a Kindle, what will keep my walls from collapsing? Currently the 13,487 books I have stacked up everywhere are keeping the house standing upright.

Heh. Your meat world books will still be there - you just won't be adding more to the piles.

I have had to glean my meat world books. I have a small apartment. I've given a ton of them away.

55 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:15:46pm

re: #51 reine.de.tout

I still buy "real" copies of books I know I'll want to keep. But for those books that I know I don't necessarily want to have forever - kindle is the way to go.

That's the attitude I'm ultimately arriving at. If I have to pay $10 for the right to read a book for the next two years, so be it. It's probably better than having to pay $15 for the right to read a book forever, even though I probably won't read most of them after more than two years anyway.

56 tatterdemalian  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:16:03pm

Meh... I fell out of love with tech gadgets when my last PocketPC phone stopped working just two years after I bought it, despite every precaution I took to extend its lifespan. (It was actually part of the security system at my home; the system was set up so it would send a recording of the minute leading up to the suspected break-in as a video message to my cell phone number, so I could decide for myself if it was a burgular or someone I knew and trusted.)

System still works, but I'm now limited to a few still frames sent as picture messages because the crappy free phone I now have can't handle any more. It's just not worth spending an extra $500 every two years for a nifty tech gadget, and I feel the same way about the Kindle series. I would buy it in a second, if I couldn't shake the feeling that the expense of providing lifelong free wi-fi internet access wasn't actually going to be subsidized by a planned obsolescence scheme to ensure that "lifelong" doesn't actually mean what people think it does.

57 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:16:18pm

re: #54 Catttt

Heh. Your meat world books will still be there - you just won't be adding more to the piles.

I have had to glean my meat world books. I have a small apartment. I've given a ton of them away.

I give books away also. That's not so much fun. The fun is taking 3 weeks to find a book I just promised to someone. " I know it's around, now where did I put it"?

58 Last Mohican  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:16:39pm

re: #48 ArmyWife

Allright. Enough avoidance. Grab the water bottle and let's go. Our thighs will thank us.

Okay, you're right. Let's do it.

I'll see you all in a little while.

59 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #53 zombie

I agree.

There is still way too much proprietariness in the digital world.

File types need to be standardized and have "open frameworks" or whatever it's called. I can't stand how there are 15 different kind of audio files, many of which are not mutually compatible; 27 different kind of video files, half of which won't play on whatever machine you're using; 53 kinds of image files; and yes, even several different kinds of eBook files.

Adobe was very smart to let "pdf" files be used by all sorts of applications and OSes, and not be proprietary to Adobe. And jpegs are nicely universal. But dang if there aren't simply too much speciality file formats still floating around. It's ridiculous -- it's like having 10 different electrical household appliances in your home, each with different shaped prongs for their plugs. The industry needs to get its act together.

And everything has its own charger. I bought a "charging station", and have 6 or 7 chargers hooked up there. A charger for the silver camera, a charger for the purple camera, iPod and iPhone charger, bluetooth device charger, kindle charger, and on and on and on.

60 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:17:32pm

Great post, Charles.

A little disclosure: I'm legally blind and getting worse and reading is a passion of mine. Until know I've been kind of a throwback and felt that a Kindle or other similar device would detract from the "user experience" so much so that it would take a significant bite out of the pleasure derived. This has been no insignificant cause for anxiety as eye functionally deteriorates.

I purchased a Kindle 2 and have been just blown away by how quickly I've adapted. The limited but powerful usability features and general engineering of the device are great for someone like me.

This was probably the first blog in my regular daily travels to feature news and discussion on the device - so thanks Charles and readers.

One weird thing. I've started wrapping my left hand around the back of the Kindle and up and around to the next/prev page buttons on the right of the panel. This makes for single-handed reading. Since there isn't full symmetry on the 2, I wonder if they will someday make right/left-handed versions or if controls will be laid out in a way that suits single-handed operation for either hand.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying the device. And some classic literature can be had for pennies, literally. Picked up anthologies of Twain. Dostoevsky, and Dickens last night as a matter of fact. Around 50 works for a grand total of < $5.

Charles, if you end up buying one (or someone else here does), I'd sure appreciate a follow-up post so purchasers of the DX can share their thoughts.

Cheers all.

61 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:17:55pm

re: #38 Last Mohican

That has been my main reason for not buying one. When I buy a real paper book, it's mine to keep forever. But when I buy any kind of file, including a Kindle book, I can only use it while I continue to have software and hardware that can read it. And I'd be at Amazon's mercy -- whenever they wanted, they could force me to pay them more money, or I'd never see my books again.

I don't know about Kindle, but I have my books on my comp, and also on my backup drive. I can read them on my computer if I want, I can put them into other software to store them, and most of them easily convert to other formats, including PDF and TXT.

62 zombie  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:23:07pm

re: #56 tatterdemalian

... if I couldn't shake the feeling that the expense of providing lifelong free wi-fi internet access wasn't actually going to be subsidized by a planned obsolescence scheme to ensure that "lifelong" doesn't actually mean what people think it does.

There was a hilariously notorious dot-com startup here in Silicon valley during the height of the dot-com craze (late '90s sometime). They offered an incredible deal: "Lifetime"-long internet access, for only $99!

It was so tempting, they actually got a million customers. But they had no plans for how to make this "business model" profitable in any way, and predictably, after two or three years, the company went belly up and declared bankruptcy. "Lifetime" internet access for most of their customers was actually more like one year. (And this was lame dial-up service, too.)

Never ever trust a promise of "lifetime" anything.

To this day, I wonder whether those people who won "a lifetime's supply of Turtle Wax" on Let's Make a Deal are still getting their Turtle Wax.

63 zuckerlilly  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:26:50pm

OT

Vlaams Belang loses big in the elections for the Flemish parliament:

2004 (Vlaams Blok) --> 24.15 %
2009 (Vlaams Belang) --> 15.40%

One third of the votes (8.75%) are gone.

64 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:26:56pm

re: #46 BlueCanuck

Check out Baen books. They have a free library that you can download to read and share. Lots of books in many formats. Thats how I got hooked on e-books.

Good point - thanks for reminding me! I love a lot of Baen authors and forgot about that service.

I just may buy hardcopies of Lois McMaster Bujold's MilesVorkosigan books. I read them all on ebook, and I'm ready to read them again - love the covers they have now. The old pics of Miles never looked anything like Miles - they used standard covers with stock males standing in for the unique Miles.

65 tatterdemalian  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #53 zombie

I hear that about formatting, but sadly there will always be new discoveries in the realm of mathematics that no current format can properly adapt to, requiring a brand new data format be created. GIF worked great as a universal standard until computers expanded beyond the VGA palette (well, and Compuserve started trying to enforce its patents), JPEG worked until people decided they wanted special effects like transparency in their pictures, now PNG is (sort of) the standard until enough people decide they want a new format that includes layers, or animation, or DRM, or palette effects, etc.

The march of progress leaves a lot of obsolescence in its wake, and there will always be someone insisting that the older formats remain supported.

66 brookly red  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:28:19pm

re: #62 zombie

There was a hilariously notorious dot-com startup here in Silicon valley during the height of the dot-com craze (late '90s sometime). They offered an incredible deal: "Lifetime"-long internet access, for only $99!

It was so tempting, they actually got a million customers. But they had no plans for how to make this "business model" profitable in any way, and predictably, after two or three years, the company went belly up and declared bankruptcy. "Lifetime" internet access for most of their customers was actually more like one year. (And this was lame dial-up service, too.)

a million at $99 each and the went belly up? or just moved to Switzerland?

67 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:31:02pm

I had to buy a new iPod because my old, original iPod stopped being supported. Nothing wrong with it - there was just no way to sync it.

I love my new iPod, but that's a cheesy reason to have to buy a new one, and I can't even give the old one to someone - they won't be able to sync it either.

68 Macker  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:35:54pm

re: #67 Catttt

My a**hole roommate always kept bragging about his iPhone, yet every time I turn around he's on the phone with T&AT bitching to them.
Good reason why I didn't get one. Besides I'm with Verizon Wireless, and if Palm makes a Pre for that service I might even go for that!

69 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:36:00pm
70 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:36:01pm

re: #67 Catttt

I had to buy a new iPod because my old, original iPod stopped being supported. Nothing wrong with it - there was just no way to sync it.

I love my new iPod, but that's a cheesy reason to have to buy a new one, and I can't even give the old one to someone - they won't be able to sync it either.

Can't you use your old iPod as an external hard-drive?
Should be possible via the normal windows explorer.

71 Maui Girl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #52 Nevergiveup

21:48 Ex-U.S. President Carter to visit Israel, Syria, West Bank and Gaza this week (AP

That's not news. The fact that the French have been whoozled and dazzled (more like dazed) and are seeing "God" in our current president, now that's news.

/must I?

72 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:39:03pm

re: #70 callahan23

Can't you use your old iPod as an external hard-drive?
Should be possible via the normal windows explorer.

If I had the old software, I could. I guess I could find it somewhere.

I'm putting that on my list of tech things I need to fix. SIGH.

73 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:40:35pm

re: #72 Catttt

If I had the old software, I could. I guess I could find it somewhere.

I'm putting that on my list of tech things I need to fix. SIGH.

Then, at least that piece of used high-tech is not going to waste. ;-)

74 Tatterdemalian  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:42:59pm

re: #70 callahan23

Can't you use your old iPod as an external hard-drive?
Should be possible via the normal windows explorer.

You actually have to set it to "Manually manage songs and playlists" before it will let you do that. I don't know if iTunes will let you do that if the model is no longer supported.

Apple has always been famously hostile to unlicensed third-party programmers (aka "hackers"), which is kind of odd considering how Jobs & Wozinak got their start. They even tout it as a selling point, and while it does make it much more difficult to write viruses for Apple products, it also makes it much more difficult for hackers to repurpose and recycle their products as well.

75 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:46:41pm

It took a while but it appears the dead tree media are at last going the way of the dodo bird.
As we have discussed here many times, the cultural and political fall-out from this will be enormous. Traditional centralized media are moving into new media as fast as they can, but they are at a disadvantage because of the drag produced by their legacy structures. Additionally, completely new organizations, like Huffington Post, have been formed to extend traditional media culture into the new media. It is just not the same though. At its roots, the traditional media-industrial complex retained its dominance largely because the enormous capitalization required to produce a city newspaper or a mass-market weekly tended to inhibit competition. This is no longer the case.
It is still true that not just anyone can produce an online publication to rival the giants, but physical capitalization has been largely removed as one of the barriers to this kind of competition.

76 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:46:43pm

Wahlen, Iwo Jima Medal of Honor winner, dies

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

77 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:49:31pm

re: #49 Pythagoras

Charles, you should get a commission.

Well, buy it by following one of the links in my post, and I do! I'm in the Amazon Associates program and the ID is included in the links I posted.

78 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:50:53pm

re: #60 pianobuff

The reason I got the Kindle 2 ws because my eyes are good one minute and bad the next--I love the device because it can be adjusted.

It's portable, and I have NEVER forgotten to take it with me when I leave the house for the day--it's that important to me. I use it every day, much more than a book. For one thing, it's a lot more unobtrusive in meetings than a book! I have all my books in one spot (even though Amazon has me at their mercy)--and upgrading the device is way cheaper than building another room onto the house to hold all the damned paper books.

79 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:52:51pm

re: #77 Charles

Well, buy it by following one of the links in my post, and I do! I'm in the Amazon Associates program and the ID is included in the links I posted.

Why don't you become an associate for Stub Hub or a Dental Supply Company?

80 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:53:15pm

re: #74 Tatterdemalian

You actually have to set it to "Manually manage songs and playlists" before it will let you do that. I don't know if iTunes will let you do that if the model is no longer supported.

Apple has always been famously hostile to unlicensed third-party programmers (aka "hackers"), which is kind of odd considering how Jobs & Wozinak got their start. They even tout it as a selling point, and while it does make it much more difficult to write viruses for Apple products, it also makes it much more difficult for hackers to repurpose and recycle their products as well.

Ah HA. That's why it was much easier for me to find a Sony Reader reverse-engineered program to store, download, and upload - manage - my reader. Not Apple. :D

Sony makes gorgeous hardware, but their software was user-veryunfriendly. I also had to access the software on a tech forum - their downloader at Sony didn't work on Vista 64! At that point, I found cool software written by a guy at Cal Tech (Kovid Goyal) did a free program for the old Reader 500 that worked beautifully with my 505. He's iupdated it recently. It is awesome. I paid for mine, even though it was free - guy deserves it - he's a genius. He also answers questions and actually incorporates suggestions in updates. If he ever has his own company, I am going to buy stock in it.

81 greenmiler  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:53:50pm

i got a Kindle 2 a couple of months ago, and I love it. I knew of no one that owned one except for Charles. I've been downloading books but no magazines, newspapers ,or blogs yet...Any recomendations Charles? Can you post a comment on a blog feed?

82 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:54:05pm

re: #78 Pigtown Water Dog

The reason I got the Kindle 2 ws because my eyes are good one minute and bad the next--I love the device because it can be adjusted.

It's portable, and I have NEVER forgotten to take it with me when I leave the house for the day--it's that important to me. I use it every day, much more than a book. For one thing, it's a lot more unobtrusive in meetings than a book! I have all my books in one spot (even though Amazon has me at their mercy)--and upgrading the device is way cheaper than building another room onto the house to hold all the damned paper books.

Yup. I also forgot to mention that I had been taking around 8-10 books on vacation and that hassle (including the cost now that the airlines are tapping deeper into the pocketbook for baggage) is now gone as well.

83 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:55:39pm

Don't look now but there is a Tiger on the Prowl

84 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:56:58pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

Don't look now but there is a Tiger on the Prowl

Of the "dingy" type?

85 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:57:35pm

re: #84 pianobuff

Of the "dingy" type?

Of the "Wood" type

86 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 1:58:07pm

Charles, I'm really glad you like the Kindle and are posting about it. I think e-readers are great to use. PLUS books are usually a couple of dollars cheaper, and you save on paper and space. Then there is the communications angle with the Kindle - being able to get news and blogs on it so easily.

87 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:00:41pm

re: #77 Charles

Well, buy it by following one of the links in my post, and I do! I'm in the Amazon Associates program and the ID is included in the links I posted.

Charles, if I link a book on Amazon and then someone clicks on my link and buys it, do you get creds? If so, that is cool, and we should have a book thread soon.

88 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:01:42pm

Isn't Kindleville just down the road from Margartiaville?

89 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:02:27pm

re: #19 Charles

I like the feel of paper too, but in some ways the Kindle is a lot more comfortable than a book. It's very light, and you never have to hold the pages open -- especially comfy for reading in bed.

How is it on the eyes? I am on the computer WAY too much, would this cause eye strain?

The other thing I like is a FULL bookshelf - colorful, easy to sort, and I like the look of a well worn page of a book lovingly read.

90 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:02:29pm

re: #9 ArmyWife

I like the concept, but is it easy to get used too? I like the feel of paper when I am reading books. I'm sure that is because I've been conditioned, but still - hmm.

I was worried about the same thing... even subtle factors like the smell of the book. While I can't speak for others, it took me a week to get used to things and now I'm a junkie.... even without the aroma feature.

91 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Isn't Kindleville just down the road from Margartiaville?

Only if you know the way from San Jose.

92 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:04:36pm

re: #77 Charles

Well, buy it by following one of the links in my post, and I do! I'm in the Amazon Associates program and the ID is included in the links I posted.

Charles: on my old 7520 Blackberry I could blog on LGF. When I got my world edition BB all it shows me is the left hand menu...I can't read posts or blog here...Any ideas?
Hope today finds you well

93 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:07:06pm

re: #91 Crimsonfisted

So it's accesable by the monorail via Ogdenville, North Haverbrook and Brockway, then?

94 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:08:30pm

re: #65 tatterdemalian

I hear that about formatting, but sadly there will always be new discoveries in the realm of mathematics that no current format can properly adapt to, requiring a brand new data format be created. GIF worked great as a universal standard until computers expanded beyond the VGA palette (well, and Compuserve started trying to enforce its patents), JPEG worked until people decided they wanted special effects like transparency in their pictures, now PNG is (sort of) the standard until enough people decide they want a new format that includes layers, or animation, or DRM, or palette effects, etc.

The march of progress leaves a lot of obsolescence in its wake, and there will always be someone insisting that the older formats remain supported.

Probably me.

95 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:11:05pm

Never met a Tibetan Lama but I was fortunate enough to meet a Chilean Alpaca.

'Reincarnated' Tibetan Lama Says No Thanks, I'd Rather Make Movies

Late last month, two Spanish media outlets confirmed that 24-year-old Tenzin Osel Rinpoche, one of the most renowned Buddhist "golden children" — toddlers determined through dreams, oracular riddles and their own "memories" to be tulkus, or reincarnations of high Tibetan Buddhist lamas — has abandoned his foretold identity. Instead of a Lama, he wants to be a filmmaker, and has reverted to his original Spanish name, Osel Hita Torres. (See pictures of the Dalai Lama at home)

The abdication of the anointed tulku is a significant embarrassment to the group he was supposed to head, the powerhouse Foundation for the Preservation of the Monastic Tradition (FPMT), the foremost Tibetan teaching organization in the West. It also challenges Westerners who have adopted Buddhism to find more sophisticated ways of understanding its magical side.

In 1989, with the approval of his Spanish convert parents, four-year-old Hita was tapped by FPMT monks as the reincarnation of the group's co-founder Thubten Yeshe. Their methods will be familiar to anyone who has seen Bernardo Bertolucci's Little Buddha or the current documentary Unmistaken Child: The monks reportedly heeded some dreams; the Dalai Lama consulted an oracle; and the capper was that young Hita "recalled" the color of the dead lama's car.

96 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:12:56pm

re: #95 HelloDare

Perhaps he had one leg longer than the other, as foretold.

97 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:15:20pm

re: #93 Fenway_Nation

So it's accesable by the monorail via Ogdenville, North Haverbrook and Brockway, then?

My psychic friend says yes.

(I think you might have to be really old to get that joke.) :)

98 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #95 HelloDare

Never met a Tibetan Lama but I was fortunate enough to meet a Chilean Alpaca.

I can't think of any good puns for this, but I'm guanaco think about it for a little while.

99 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:18:17pm

re: #95 HelloDare

Some of the tulkus want to go on to be prop comics or sell propane and propane accesories in Texas.

100 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:18:23pm

Completely OT-
I just called 911. I think that was only the second time in my life I've dialed that number.
Ten minutes ago, while I was sitting right here, I heard an ungodly strange noise. First a 'pop" like a gunshot then a sustained low roar like a blowtorch. Couldn't figure where it was coming from. I walk out on the patio to check on my cats, and I see this 2 foot jet of pure heat shooting out of a fixture at the top of a utility pole across the road. Literally spraying electrical "fire" onto the wooden cross bars and pole. It took me about a second to realize that I better call 911. I still hesitated for another beat until I was sure I should call. Fire truck got here a couple minutes ago. Big crowd assembled. I'll have to wander over and see what's up.

101 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #15 talon_262

Import duties and fees will double the price.

102 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:20:16pm

re: #97 Crimsonfisted

My psychic friend says yes.

(I think you might have to be really old to get that joke.) :)

That begs the question of how come the Psychic Friends Network didn't see their impending bankruptcy coming?

103 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:20:30pm

Tiger alone at 11 under

104 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #100 Lincolntf

Stay safe.

105 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:21:19pm

re: #87 Catttt

Charles, if I link a book on Amazon and then someone clicks on my link and buys it, do you get creds? If so, that is cool, and we should have a book thread soon.

Yes, I have code that inserts my associate ID into any Amazon links at LGF, so if someone follows a link and buys a book, I get a small commission. (Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't give commissions on books for the Kindle.)

106 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:23:34pm

re: #105 Charles

Yes, I have code that inserts my associate ID into any Amazon links, so if someone follows a link and buys a book, I get a small commission. (Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't give commissions on books for the Kindle.)

I buy only paper books from Amazon, so I am going to keep that in mind. :D

107 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #105 Charles

How about comissions for 2-liter bottles of Polar Birch Beer in the grocery section?

108 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:24:28pm

re: #102 Fenway_Nation

That begs the question of how come the Psychic Friends Network didn't see their impending bankruptcy coming?


The negative psychic energy of unbelievers accountants blocked the power of their positive energy creative way in which they leached money from people.

109 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:25:39pm

OT: Unf***ing believable if there are new lows for the FMSM this should be it.
What have the Israelis learned from Buchenwald? [ WTF?!? ]
You don't believe me? Click on the MSNBC link go forward to about minute 4:00 and listen to Tom Brokaw asking:
“What can the Israelis learn from your visit to Buchenwald or what should they be thinking about their treatment of Palestinians?”
---
I am stunned by Tom Brokaws moral deficiency.


Hattip: Die Achse des Guten (German anti-idiotarian semi-blog)

110 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:26:31pm

My Kindle has been very good for me so far. I get three daily newspapers (one from Germany) and the Times Literary Supplement delivered automatically. When a friend mentions a book I might like, I can go straight to the Kindle store and download the free sample right there so I don't forget.

I was going to wait for the big one, but find that the second-generation is very handy and I probably take it with me more than I would a textbook-sized model. I don't use it for PDFs, so that is not an issue.

Recommend it highly to anyone who loves to read. Think about whether you want the one that fits in a jacket pocket vs. the one that you'll need to carry in a bag.

111 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:27:13pm

re: #104 Crimsonfisted

Thanks. The Fire Dept. already left. A guy from the electric company is parked nearby setting up what looks to be a road-blocking repair job. What a weird sight though. That "bolt" of electricity was amazing. I could actually smell the ozone (if thats the right word) from my yard 200 feet away from the pole.

112 Cathypop  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:28:40pm

re: #111 Lincolntf

Thanks. The Fire Dept. already left. A guy from the electric company is parked nearby setting up what looks to be a road-blocking repair job. What a weird sight though. That "bolt" of electricity was amazing. I could actually smell the ozone (if thats the right word) from my yard 200 feet away from the pole.


Very scarey! Any idea what caused it?

113 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:30:17pm

re: #112 Cathypop

No, but it's a pretty mild summery day here in NC. In the eighties, no bad weather for days. There's a big knot of folks over by the corner now, I'll chat with one of them later and see if they have any details.

114 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:31:17pm

re: #113 Lincolntf

No, but it's a pretty mild summery day here in NC. In the eighties, no bad weather for days. There's a big knot of folks over by the corner now, I'll chat with one of them later and see if they have any details.

Sounds like a high voltage transformer had an issue

115 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:32:10pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a high voltage transformer had an issue

Which was solved quite dramatically.
Hi HoosierHoops!

116 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:32:43pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Sounds like a high voltage transformer had an issue

I'm sure there's more than meets the eye.

117 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:33:05pm

re: #115 callahan23

Which was solved quite dramatically.
Hi HoosierHoops!

Hey brother! Hope today finds you well!

118 pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:34:16pm

re: #14 zombie

Was going to upding you but for some reason I can't. Oh well... nice post.

119 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

bookmarks and buggywhips, oh my

120 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:34:56pm

re: #109 callahan23

OT: Unf***ing believable if there are new lows for the FMSM this should be it.
What have the Israelis learned from Buchenwald? [ WTF?!? ]
You don't believe me? Click on the MSNBC link go forward to about minute 4:00 and listen to Tom Brokaw asking:
“What can the Israelis learn from your visit to Buchenwald or what should they be thinking about their treatment of Palestinians?”
---
I am stunned by Tom Brokaws moral deficiency.

Hattip: Die Achse des Guten (German anti-idiotarian semi-blog)

Response From Weekly Standard:


Finally: A Moral Equivalency Obama Doesn't Like

Powerline posts the exchange between Brokaw and Obama:

BROKAW: What can the Israelis learn from your visit to Buchenwald? And what should they be thinking about their treatment of Palestinians?

OBAMA: Well, look, there's no equivalency here.

121 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:35:30pm

re: #118 pianobuff

Refreshed page and updinged. Problem solved.

122 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:35:54pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

I figured it was prob. a transformer, but that's just from being familiar with the phrase "transformer fire". I have no clue why/how the fires are common/expected just that I 've heard mention of them.
Well, if you ever get a chance to see a transformer fire, it's better than most Fourth of July fireworks. Probably a bit more costly, though.

123 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:36:24pm

re: #117 HoosierHoops

Hey brother! Hope today finds you well!

Jolly good. Thanks brother.
How's you doin'?

124 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:38:45pm

re: #123 callahan23

Jolly good. Thanks brother.
How's you doin'?

Watching the end of the NASCAR Race...Can't wait till the Laker-Magic game to start..I'm jacked...
you doing ok?

125 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:39:09pm

re: #100 Lincolntf

Completely OT-
I just called 911. I think that was only the second time in my life I've dialed that number.
Ten minutes ago, while I was sitting right here, I heard an ungodly strange noise. First a 'pop" like a gunshot then a sustained low roar like a blowtorch. Couldn't figure where it was coming from. I walk out on the patio to check on my cats, and I see this 2 foot jet of pure heat shooting out of a fixture at the top of a utility pole across the road. Literally spraying electrical "fire" onto the wooden cross bars and pole. It took me about a second to realize that I better call 911. I still hesitated for another beat until I was sure I should call. Fire truck got here a couple minutes ago. Big crowd assembled. I'll have to wander over and see what's up.

Ah, the old "transformer on the fritz" excuse for getting up from LGF.

126 Preposter S  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:40:19pm

Results for the European elections are in and the Pirates and Nazis won big!

Far right extremists made huge gains across Europe. The left center got crushed. Center Right and conservative parties did not lose any ground.

Geert Wilders party is now the second largest vote getter in the Netherlands.

In Sweden, the Pirate party, hardline anti property activists (no copyrights, no patents, can I move in your house and stay until you leave) won two seats showing that crackpot leftist politics are alive and well in Sweden.

Nothing could more underscore the real social unrest that is burning beneath the surface in Europe. Fortunately, we have the golden child watching out for our interests, so nothing can go wrong.

127 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:41:31pm

re: #125 haakondahl

Now that you mention it, we lose power during dinky little snow flurries, but somehow we're up and running with an electrical disaster within spitting distance. Lucky us. I'm guessing my across-the-street neighbors aren't so lucky.

128 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:41:40pm

Mayor Ray Nagin in quarantine after swine-flu scare on Chinese flight

NEW ORLEANS – Mayor Ray Nagin is in quarantine in China as a precautionary measure after it was found that someone he was sitting near to on a plane was showing symptoms of the H1N1-flu virus, also known as swine flu.
Video: Watch the Story

The announcement came in a press conference on Sunday. Nagin is currently in a designated quarantine location in Shanghai, and he remains symptom free. Nagin, however, hasn’t been tested for the virus, according to Nagin administration spokeswoman Nagin administration spokeswoman Ceeon D. Quiett.

Nagin's wife and one member of his executive protection unit were also quarantined, Quiett said.

Quiett said Nagin is being treated with the “utmost courtesy by Chinese officials.”

Nagin is scheduled to travel to Sydney, Australia, where he is to deliver a keynote address on climate change. Quiett said it’s not yet known if those plans will be halted or changed.

129 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:41:41pm

re: #120 Catttt

Thanks for that update. From that whacking:

Brokaw should be ashamed of himself, but we'll take what we can get from Obama. The notion that Israelis, many of whom either moved to that country after being liberated from camps like Buchenwald or are the children of those who did, could learn something from Obama's half-hour at Buchenwald is more than a little insulting. After all, Obama knows so little about what happened there that the first time he recounted his Uncle Charlie's participation in the camp's liberation he set the story at Auschwitz. Allahpundit also notes the "interview was conducted in Dresden too, ground zero of the neo-Nazi revisionist moral equivalence movement."

I bookmarked The Weekly Standard. Thanks again.

130 Preposter S  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:41:43pm

Where are my manners? Here is the link!

131 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #125 haakondahl

Ah, the old "transformer on the fritz" excuse for getting up from LGF.

We used to live in the country, and the transformer right in our yard went out one night. It sounded like we were being bombed by space aliens. Not as loud as a tornado, but more sudden.

Turned out it blew every once and a while, and our power would come back on, but people further up the dead-end country road would generally be without power until the power company could get out and crawl up and fix it.

132 KingKenrod  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:46:53pm

re: #120 Catttt

He denies moral equivalence between the Holocaust and the Palestinian problem, but here's what he said in his Cairo speech:


America's strong bonds with Israel are well known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties, and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed -- more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction -- or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews -- is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people -- Muslims and Christians -- have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years they've endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations -- large and small -- that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: The situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own. (Applause.)

133 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #130 Preposter S

Nice try, sock puppet.

134 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:48:23pm

re: #133 Charles

Nice try, sock puppet.

LOL! Busted!

135 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:50:22pm

I guess I know what Charles has hanging over his fireplace year round...

Stockings.

Lots of stockings.

136 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:51:13pm

re: #133 Charles

Nice try, sock puppet.

That was fast. I was actually in the midst of posting a reply.

137 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:51:24pm

Wow--posts taking forever to show up. If this one takes twenty minutes as well, there won't be another this fine evening. I'm browsing the news, playing solitaire on my iPod, listening to Muse' Black Holes and Revelations, thinking that these guys are "RadioMode" the same way that Queensryche was "FloydSnake".
Highly recommend the Muse. And the iPod. And LGF, and the conservative gains across the EU.
Buh bye, Gord.

138 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:52:12pm

OT
So, Hillary goes on the morning talk show circuit and George S. asks her whether Obama passed the 3am phone call test.

She says yes.

Really? What was she going to say? No?

Great depth of questioning there.

139 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:53:06pm

re: #128 HelloDare

Mayor Ray Nagin in quarantine after swine-flu scare on Chinese flight

Nagin is scheduled to travel to Sydney, Australia, where he is to deliver a keynote address on climate change.

Nagin has a hundred-year advanced warning on the rising ocean. Maybe he can get the buses rolling this time.

140 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #128 HelloDare

Mayor Ray Nagin in quarantine after swine-flu scare on Chinese flight

NEW ORLEANS – Mayor Ray Nagin is in quarantine in China as a precautionary measure after it was found that someone he was sitting near to on a plane was showing symptoms of the H1N1-flu virus, also known as swine flu.

Nagin's wife and one member of his executive protection unit were also quarantined, Quiett said.

Quiett said Nagin is being treated with the “utmost courtesy by Chinese officials.”

Nagin is scheduled to travel to Sydney, Australia, where he is to deliver a keynote address on climate change. Quiett said it’s not yet known if those plans will be halted or changed.

I am sorry to hear this, but WTF? Why is a miserable MAYOR going on these kinds of trips to issue scientific information? Who is PAYING for this trip? And he has an EXECUTIVE protection unit? Who picked him for this job? This is nuts.

141 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:53:33pm

re: #138 lawhawk

OT
So, Hillary goes on the morning talk show circuit and George S. asks her whether Obama passed the 3am phone call test.

She says yes.

Really? What was she going to say? No?

Great depth of questioning there.

Was George brave enough to probe the relative visibility of her and hubby in the Obama administration?

142 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #126 Preposter S

Results for the European elections are in and the Pirates and Nazis won big!

Far right extremists made huge gains across Europe. The left center got crushed. Center Right and conservative parties did not lose any ground.

Geert Wilders party is now the second largest vote getter in the Netherlands.

In Sweden, the Pirate party, hardline anti property activists (no copyrights, no patents, can I move in your house and stay until you leave) won two seats showing that crackpot leftist politics are alive and well in Sweden.

Nothing could more underscore the real social unrest that is burning beneath the surface in Europe. Fortunately, we have the golden child watching out for our interests, so nothing can go wrong.

The AP story I saw said "Conservatives", and mentioned the hazard of fringes, but did not equate or attribute Conservative gains to lunatics. And that was the AP.

143 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:55:53pm

re: #133 Charles

Nice try, sock puppet.

Oh. :-)

144 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:56:51pm

re: #136 doppelganglander

That was fast. I was actually in the midst of posting a reply.

Same here but regarding the EU elections. There's a good chance that the BNP's Nick Griffin might get a seat in the EU parliament.

Protesters attempt to bar BNP leader from Euro election count as party faces winning first seat
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 10:36 PM on 07th June 2009

Exit polls show European voters backing right-wing parties
Labour wins most votes in North East heartland with 25% - but Tories slash majority their by 5%
Record low European turnout of 43%
Only 30.4% of British voters cast their ballot
Protesters tried to bar BNP leader Nick Griffin from entering a European election count tonight as his party faced winning its first ever seat in the parliament.

Placard-waving demonstrators surrounded a number of cars - one of which was thought to be carrying Mr Griffin - when they arrived at Manchester Town Hall.

The vehicles, one of which apparently had a window broken, drove away without anyone getting out...

145 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:56:59pm

I wonder who that was. Jeppo?

146 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:57:19pm

re: #126 Preposter S

I was just looking into that. It seems Vlaams Belang actually lost some ground but the rest of the Eurofascists did pretty well.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:57:41pm

Even I, a hardened veteran of the media wars, am dumbfounded at the purple prose and excruciatingly obvious sycophancy of this AP article about Obama's visit to France:
France gets its Obama moment

People gawked and cameras clicked as the Obamas cut a wide figure through the French capital even while confined to a presidential motorcade. It was more personal for the few kept not so distant — the restaurant owner who "saw God," the chauffeur reveling in a "magnificent mission."

President Barack Obama, wife Michelle and their two daughters touched lives in simple ways during a private stay in the French capital that closed out a six-day presidential tour rich in history, symbolism and giant messages to the world.

Even a Sunday visit to the gilded Elysee presidential palace was casual and intimate.

The luncheon hosted by President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife, Carla, for Michelle and the two Obama daughters looked like an advance fete for Sasha's 8th birthday this Wednesday. The Obama trio, lingering a bit in the City of Light after the president's departure, then went shopping at the high-end Left Bank store for children, "Bonpoint."

Media scrutiny of the family was intense. The French are confirmed fans of the Obamas, whose politics and elegant style conform to their ideal vision of the United States. The couple makes frequent appearances on the covers of French magazines. Michelle Obama, whose wardrobe choices are analyzed, gets an A-plus for sartorial glamor, natural poise and sheer intelligence.

But the common touch the first American couple represents, so antithetical to the traditional pomp and circumstance of French heads of state, sets them apart.


This would do justice to a North Korean account of one of the Dear Leader's outings.

148 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 2:57:44pm

This is a really sweet story: Still Valuable: WWII Ration Coupons

My mother still has some of hers.

149 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:00:22pm

re: #144 Gus 802

I wouldn't be in favor of outlawing political parties here in America but I think we can all see why Europe has laws that allow it. Any chance there will be a legal challenge to block the BNP's gains? It seems the only way to stop them.

150 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:00:40pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I was just looking into that. It seems Vlaams Belang actually lost some ground but the rest of the Eurofascists did pretty well.

Good news on Vlaams Belang losing ground. Bad on the other far-right gains. The center-right is holding ground though.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

151 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:00:56pm

Did Hurricane Katrina save lives?

And just who put the people at risk, hmmmmmm?

152 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:00:59pm

So for people that already have a Kindle, what was your first book purchased?

Mine was Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by Polkinghorne.

153 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't be in favor of outlawing political parties here in America but I think we can all see why Europe has laws that allow it. Any chance there will be a legal challenge to block the BNP's gains? It seems the only way to stop them.

We'll probably find out after and if any legal action is taken if BNP gains a seat.

154 callahan23  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:02:16pm

I am sad to say it. But tomorrow is a work day again. I gotta leave.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly.
(HoosierHoops)

155 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:02:52pm

re: #152 Pianobuff

So for people that already have a Kindle, what was your first book purchased?

Mine was Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by Polkinghorne.

I had to read that a few times to get what the title meant. Am I going to have to wait until the movie comes out or can you give us a precis?

156 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #154 callahan23

I am sad to say it. But tomorrow is a work day again. I gotta leave.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly.
(HoosierHoops)

Rock on Brother!
Be well

157 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:03:26pm

re: #144 Gus 802

I'm not sure which is worse, that BNP could win a seat, or that protesters are trying to prevent the results of a democratic election from being counted. (At least I think that's what they're trying to do.) If European elites don't get their heads out of their butts and start dealing with the resentment of ordinary people at having their own countries sold down the river, I won't be surprised to see more of these nationalist parties gain power.

158 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:03:46pm

I'm looking at a Kindle. Mr. DT is looking to buy an iphone. I think there's going to be some technology rationing.

159 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:04:29pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't be in favor of outlawing political parties here in America but I think we can all see why Europe has laws that allow it. Any chance there will be a legal challenge to block the BNP's gains? It seems the only way to stop them.

I hope, with the Brown government falling, that any poached center right sorts get out from under BNP. Even so, BNP pulling support from Tory may be less of a problem than contamination of Tory by BNP.

160 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:04:50pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

Even I, a hardened veteran of the media wars, am dumbfounded at the purple prose and excruciatingly obvious sycophancy of this AP article about Obama's visit to France:
France gets its Obama moment


This would do justice to a North Korean account of one of the Dear Leader's outings.

Oh, gag me!

161 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:05:16pm

re: #158 DistantThunder

I'm looking at a Kindle. Mr. DT is looking to buy an iphone. I think there's going to be some technology rationing.

Who's going to win the rationing war?

162 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:05:25pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

Even I, a hardened veteran of the media wars, am dumbfounded at the purple prose and excruciatingly obvious sycophancy of this AP article about Obama's visit to France:
France gets its Obama moment


This would do justice to a North Korean account of one of the Dear Leader's outings.

This is like a mental illness. Now Naomi Klein says the lefts love for Obama has made them stupid - because I guess, for many, love makes them stupid.

163 doppelganglander  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:05:30pm

re: #152 Pianobuff

So for people that already have a Kindle, what was your first book purchased?

Mine was Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by Polkinghorne.

Polkinghorne sounds like the pseudonym of a Victorian pornographer.

164 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:07:17pm

re: #157 doppelganglander

I'm not sure which is worse, that BNP could win a seat, or that protesters are trying to prevent the results of a democratic election from being counted. (At least I think that's what they're trying to do.) If European elites don't get their heads out of their butts and start dealing with the resentment of ordinary people at having their own countries sold down the river, I won't be surprised to see more of these nationalist parties gain power.

That is exactly what I was thinking as I read the "Conservative Gains" story. I wonder how much of the fascist respawn is attributable to milquetoast responses to threats from other fascists?

165 DistantThunder  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #161 reine.de.tout

Who's going to win the rationing war?

We shall see. Usually it is the one of us that is most persuasive. And I think I have more tools in my "persuasion toolkit." I know his weaknesses, and I only use waterboarding as a last resort.

166 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #151 Crimsonfisted

Did Hurricane Katrina save lives?

And just who put the people at risk, hmmmmmm?

I have been searching for that article! I thought I had it bookmarked, but I must have lost it when my hard drive crashed.

That is an excellent article. The flooding that came with Katrina was an accident waiting to happen. It would have happened sooner or later.

167 Catttt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:07:46pm

re: #152 Pianobuff

So for people that already have a Kindle, what was your first book purchased?

Mine was Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship by Polkinghorne.

I don't remember with my Sony Reader, but the first e-book I purchased was most definitely something by Larry Niven, closely followed by everything else by Larry Niven.

168 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #157 doppelganglander

I'm not sure which is worse, that BNP could win a seat, or that protesters are trying to prevent the results of a democratic election from being counted. (At least I think that's what they're trying to do.) If European elites don't get their heads out of their butts and start dealing with the resentment of ordinary people at having their own countries sold down the river, I won't be surprised to see more of these nationalist parties gain power.

It was an impromptu protest which led to one arrest of a protester. Given Nick Griffin's ideology, his history and the history of the BNP and its founders I find the reaction completely understandable.

169 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:08:43pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

Oh, gag me!

With a silver spoon!

170 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:09:22pm

re: #155 Crimsonfisted

I had to read that a few times to get what the title meant. Am I going to have to wait until the movie comes out or can you give us a precis?

Basically an epistemological/methodological treatment comparing some of the unique challenges encountered by traditional scientific method in progressing quantum theory vs. theology. The author has spent time both as a quantum physicist and theologian.

(Amazon) Product Description

Despite the differences of their subject matter, science and theology have a cousinly relationship, John Polkinghorne contends in his latest thought-provoking book. From his unique perspective as both theoretical physicist and Anglican priest, Polkinghorne considers aspects of quantum physics and theology and demonstrates that the two truth-seeking enterprises are engaged in analogous rational techniques of inquiry. His exploration of the deep connections between science and theology shows with new clarity a common kinship in the search for truth.

The author identifies and explores key similarities in quantum physics and Christology. Among the many parallels he identifies are patterns of historical development in quantum physics and in Christology; wrestling with perplexities such as quantum interpretation and the problem of evil; and the drive for an overarching view in the Grand Unified Theories of physics and in Trinitarian theology. Both theology and science are propelled by a desire to understand the world through experienced reality, and Polkinghorne explains that their viewpoints are by no means mutually exclusive.

Note to others: This is not about creationism/evolution.

171 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:09:46pm

re: #162 DistantThunder

re: #160 reine.de.tout

As a media historian I can think of no precedent for this level of sycophancy in the western free press, at least not since the beginning of the twentieth century. Even the deification of JFK by his contemporary media was more restrained.
You have to go back to controlled press coverage of Mao and Stalin to find anything remotely similar.

172 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:09:48pm

Guy is up in bucket looking at the formerly flaming utility pole. So funny. He just reached up to "check" something, and it fell off in his hand. Even from out my window I can tell he was like "WTF happened here?".

173 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:12:41pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

This is gonna kill the bookmark business!

hahahahahahahahahaha

174 Lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:13:07pm

Now the guy in the bucket has been lowered and he's using a long pole to move some of the components from underneath, creating big arcs of electricity that are pretty serious looking. Don't know why they haven't cut off power to the effected pole/area.

175 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:13:09pm

re: #163 doppelganglander

Polkinghorne sounds like the pseudonym of a Victorian pornographer.

Heh...Charles Dickens meets Ian Fleming.

176 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:13:55pm

Charles -

Wait a little while on the DX. Some Newspaper will get the "Bright Idea" to more or less "give it away" for a two or three year subscription. Worked for Cell Phones, didn't it? - AND - Beyond that, you or I could go to Radio Shack, tonight, and pickup an 8.9" Screen Acer One for $49 and a two year contract commitment. The existence of the Kindle DX suggests its eventual marketing if there is a newspaper without a "tin-ear" in the US or Canada. That is all.

-S-

177 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #170 Pianobuff

Thanks, and I am on Amazon now looking at it now too (after I posted I realized I should have simply looked it up myself!).

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the Trinity. This might be a good read for me, but probably it will be OVER my head rather than I WRAP my head around these difficult concepts.

178 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:15:02pm

re: #174 Lincolntf

Now the guy in the bucket has been lowered and he's using a long pole to move some of the components from underneath, creating big arcs of electricity that are pretty serious looking. Don't know why they haven't cut off power to the effected pole/area.

You ever watch this video?

500,000 volts...

Youtube Video
179 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:16:31pm

re: #177 Crimsonfisted

Thanks, and I am on Amazon now looking at it now too (after I posted I realized I should have simply looked it up myself!).

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the Trinity. This might be a good read for me, but probably it will be OVER my head rather than I WRAP my head around these difficult concepts.

Well, I would not get my hopes up for a satisfactory explanation. The author spends more time discussing how the problems are "studied" (study probably being the wrong word but I can't think of a better one right now).

180 lincolntf  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:18:12pm

re: #178 Gus 802

No, haven't seen it. I'll look in a minute. The guy just did something that made the electrical output get huge and was basically whacking some component with the pole. Took him about ten seconds of relatively frantic swinging/jabbing to get the arc to disappear. He just descended completely and is talking with the ground guys.
Anyone on here ever work for the Elec. Co.?

181 Pianobuff  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:18:53pm

re: #176 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Wait a little while on the DX. Some Newspaper will get the "Bright Idea" to more or less "give it away" for a two or three year subscription. Worked for Cell Phones, didn't it? - AND - Beyond that, you or I could go to Radio Shack, tonight, and pickup an 8.9" Screen Acer One for $49 and a two year contract commitment. The existence of the Kindle DX suggests its eventual marketing if there is a newspaper without a "tin-ear" in the US or Canada. That is all.

-S-

I've probably already paid for my Kindle 2 with purchase discounts. Probably wouldn't be quite there yet with the DX though.

182 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:20:20pm

re: #180 lincolntf

No, haven't seen it. I'll look in a minute. The guy just did something that made the electrical output get huge and was basically whacking some component with the pole. Took him about ten seconds of relatively frantic swinging/jabbing to get the arc to disappear. He just descended completely and is talking with the ground guys.
Anyone on here ever work for the Elec. Co.?

lincolntf -

NO. Henry Ford the First did. I worked for FORD back in the day - and was WAY PROUD of it.

-S-

183 Gus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #180 lincolntf

No, haven't seen it. I'll look in a minute. The guy just did something that made the electrical output get huge and was basically whacking some component with the pole. Took him about ten seconds of relatively frantic swinging/jabbing to get the arc to disappear. He just descended completely and is talking with the ground guys.
Anyone on here ever work for the Elec. Co.?

Never worked in the field.

184 debutaunt  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:28:44pm

re: #90 pianobuff

I was worried about the same thing... even subtle factors like the smell of the book. While I can't speak for others, it took me a week to get used to things and now I'm a junkie.... even without the aroma feature.

Get the upgraded scratch-n-sniff Kindle.

185 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #184 debutaunt

Get the upgraded scratch-n-sniff Kindle.

debutant -

I totally grok the idea of smell. Ink on paper never did it for me in a Big Way.
Gasoline and Diesel Fuel DO.

-S-

186 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #185 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

Actually, what I will miss MOST when paper + ink newspapers become rare is the ability of previous issues to Polish Glass. That is all.

-S-

187 Godzilla  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:12:25pm

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but I couldn't find an answer on the Kindle site. Does the Kindle provide its own light source? In other words, can it be easily read in dim light?

188 LWise  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 5:26:26pm

I have the original Kindle and ordered the Kindle DX last week. I love my Kindle.

I download books that, to tell the truth, I'll only read once, so they don't take up space in my studio apartment. I also download books that I have in dead tree editions, but which are in storage and very inconvenient to get to. And through Project Gutenberg I download books that are out of print as well as out of copyright.

I have a friend who regularly flies to China (13.5 hour flight) and he got a Kindle so he doesn't have to haul along several pounds of books to keep from going out of his mind with boredom. He loves his Kindle too and carries it with him everywhere so he can read anytime he has downtime, such as riding on the subway.

I ordered the Kindle DX because some things, specifically computer books, just aren't perfectly readable on the original Kindle. They may be a little better on the Kindle 2, but I doubt it's enough for me to buy one.

189 kynna  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 7:55:39pm

I love my Kindle 2. I use every day, too. It was one of my better luxury purchases, I think.

190 Cygnus  Sun, Jun 7, 2009 8:03:28pm

re: #28 brookly red

they will restructure, and bookmark united workers will still get lifetime health care.

The government will buy 70% of the bookmark business. Then bookmarks can be given out as complimentary gifts to GM buyers.

191 Former SSG  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 11:12:22am

I have the Kindle 2 and adore it for too many reasons to list here. It has increased my reading speed. I have had it since April, and already have read about 100 books (and, yes, I do work.)

Best toy I ever bought myself.

192 Rev. Jim Sutter  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:52pm

Prior to buying the Kindle 2, I hadn't read a book for over a year due to visual impairment. But with the increased font and easy format, I'm rapidly catching up to all I missed. The Kindle 2, IMO = Best. Invention. Ever.

193 Pythagoras  Tue, Jun 9, 2009 8:50:00am

re: #77 Charles

Well, buy it by following one of the links in my post, and I do! I'm in the Amazon Associates program and the ID is included in the links I posted.

That's how I bought it. You're welcome.

To those who like hard copy books -- so do I. The Kindle's for newspapers and other browsing.

I'm wondering what all I can do with the keyboard. Since they tout using Wikipedia on it, I know one obvious use. Can I write stuff? Can I transmit something I wrote? Can I at least keep notes/make a shopping list?

194 deegee  Wed, Jun 10, 2009 2:55:48pm

I want one, too! But I can't buy one because Amazon won't sell them outside America and won't develop a content delivery system I can use.


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