Bachmann Links Census to Japanese Internment
In an interview on Fox News, Rep. Michele Bachmann says she’s taking a stand against the US census because it was used to round up Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps during World War II.
In an interview on Fox News, Rep. Michele Bachmann says she’s taking a stand against the US census because it was used to round up Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps during World War II.
2 | JustABill Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:20:06pm |
Ooo, can we talk about IBM and the Nazis now?
3 | Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:09pm |
I don't get this. Is this legitimate, or 'black helicopter'? I am falling into the 'black helicopter' at this point, but that's just me...
5 | Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:15pm |
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
6 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:21:24pm |
8 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:22:03pm |
Funny, didn't her argument before have something to do with Acorn?
Silly Wabbit!
9 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:22:35pm |
Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......
10 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:07pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
That's not fair at all. Especially since it was instituted under a Democratic Administration.
11 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:15pm |
re: #5 Charles
I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.
12 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:19pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
True, but it was the left that did it, yes?
14 | JammieWearingFool Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:23:38pm |
She's nuts.
Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.
15 | Silvergirl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:08pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
Now that would be really hard right, wouldn't it?
16 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:12pm |
19 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:38pm |
re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby
Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......
Apparently, it will ask if you are an agent of the Japanese Empire of the Sun.
/
20 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:57pm |
21 | JustABill Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:24:58pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
well, not now...
22 | BlueCanuck Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:04pm |
re: #13 Sharmuta
WTF is she smoking?
Don't know if she's smoking it. More likely she has gone all the way to mainlining the craziness.
24 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:14pm |
So they're pulling the black helicopters out of mothballs?
26 | Silvergirl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:16pm |
re: #11 Occasional Reader
Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.
Oh you're just following your theme today of farting, belching, and smashing beer bottles. :-)
27 | ckb Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:21pm |
I think it's a good example of how census data can be used in ways it was not intended to be used.
I hope it's completely irrelevant, but how can we be sure?
28 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
I don't know of anyone who believes the internment of the Japanese was a good idea.
29 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm |
re: #14 JammieWearingFool
She's nuts.
Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.
Just enter "Martian" in the race category?
30 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:30pm |
It's interesting that ACORN & democrats are out trying to convince all illegal immigrants to stand up & be counted in the census.
Redistricting based on formerly unaccounted for non-nationals is a great idea, and bailout funds will be alloted differently, all right.
World Can't Wait.
31 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:31pm |
re: #19 Desert Dog
Good!
I thought it would be tougher...........
/ and YES I am!
32 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:25:39pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
You are soooo not alone.
I recoiled when Michelle Malkin wrote In Defense of Internment.
33 | MrSilverDragon Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:02pm |
re: #14 JammieWearingFool
She's nuts.
Here's a suggestion. Don't fill out the form.
I filled out the form and sent it in from the last census, and apparently it got lost along the way (probably stuck in some bin somewhere collecting dust now). I ended up getting called by the census people repeatedly because they hadn't received it. So, can't say ignoring it will work, because I didn't, and they still pestered me.
34 | Tatterdemalian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:06pm |
re: #5 Charles
Well, we did win that war. The internment may not have helped all that much, but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then (even the Cold War, as it seems Putin is doing his damndest to revive the Soviets), it's almost certain that it didn't hurt.
Tolerating treason makes wars more difficult, and sometimes even costs you victory. Who knew?
35 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:33pm |
I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.
36 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:26:42pm |
re: #26 Silvergirl
Oh you're just following your theme today of farting, belching, and smashing beer bottles. :-)
What's your point?
/
38 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:07pm |
re: #32 Dianna
You are soooo not alone.
I recoiled when Michelle Malkin wrote In Defense of Internment.
But, did you read it?
39 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:16pm |
40 | MJ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:18pm |
...In 1993, Bachmann joined with other parents in Stillwater to open New Heights Charter School. The oversight of New Heights soon encountered problems when a concerned group of parents and the school district questioned if money from public tax dollars was going towards inserting Christianity into the curriculum. One such parent, Denise Stephens, charges the board of directors of the school (which included Bachmann) with trying to set up classes on Creationism and advocating that "something called '12 Christian principles' be taught, very much like the 10 Commandments." According to Stephens, school officials also refused to allow the in-school screening of the Disney film Aladdin, feeling that it endorsed witchcraft and promoted paganism. Along with other directors, Bachmann appeared before the Stillwater School Board to address the parents' concerns. Bachmann stated, "Are you going to question my integrity?" As the meeting continued, Bachmann and four members of her board resigned...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
41 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:20pm |
Now: I do remember that back in high school when we studied the whole Japanese internment issue, the question of "was there any solid information that there WAS widespread subversive activity among the Issei/Nikkei population?" never even came up. Which is interesting.
There is nothing "racist" or "xenophobic" in suggesting that people who were, for the most part, economic immigrants, would feel highly conflicted - at least, a substantial number of them - when Total War broke out between their homeland and their adopted country.
42 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:32pm |
re: #11 Occasional Reader
Personally, I'm in favor of finding a cute Japanese intern.
* * * *
Hillary Clinton brought back that cute half Japanese Iranian woman, Roxana Saberi, from Tehran recently.
If you save one half Iranian from the mullahs, you've saved the world. (Like that inanity about it takes a village?)
43 | wrenchwench Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:27:51pm |
What's with the tag "Loopy"? You know I'm gonna be looking for this under "Kooks".
44 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:09pm |
45 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:14pm |
re: #23 Charles
One author writes a book, which defends what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, did under difficult crimcumstances in a era not 60 years ago and you try to use that to smear what ever you consider the "Hard Right". Sorry You can and have done better than that. Your reaching.
46 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:16pm |
re: #28 unrealizedviewpoint
I don't know of anyone who believes the internment of the Japanese was a good idea.
Michelle Malkin.
I find that it was extraordinarily unjust.
47 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:30pm |
48 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:40pm |
49 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:28:41pm |
re: #35 Ward Cleaver
I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.
Agreed. The census by itself is a useful tool. Attempting to use it as a political club to beat the opposition is at least unethical if not criminal.
50 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:08pm |
So that's why the new census form says:
Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other *
* If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.
////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?
51 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:30pm |
52 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:38pm |
re: #18 Sharmuta
0bama is going to round up Japanese Americans?
He's going to round down Caucasian Americans. Overall it will give the appearance that we are more diverse, and diversity is good.
54 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:52pm |
re: #41 Occasional Reader
Right ....But now we have little Islamvilles poping up,and making
that Automatic gunfire noise.....Nothing to worry about I'm sure!
/
55 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:29:56pm |
re: #35 Ward Cleaver
I could see taking a stand against 0bama's politicization of the census, but not the census itself.
I especially don't want ACORN anywhere near apportionment of congressional seats.
56 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:01pm |
The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.
The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.
57 | Silvergirl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:17pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
Hat tip to Charles.
NOT SAFE FOR EPILEPTICS.
I hate that thing. It's more than annoying! Cease and desist, I say!
58 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:30:22pm |
re: #24 Ward Cleaver
So they're pulling the black helicopters out of mothballs?
No, but
On desolate sidings the poppies entwine
With cattle trucks lying in wait for the next time
---Your Possible Pasts; Pink Floyd
59 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:16pm |
re: #34 Tatterdemalian
Well, we did win that war. The internment may not have helped all that much, but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then (even the Cold War, as it seems Putin is doing his damndest to revive the Soviets), it's almost certain that it didn't hurt.
Tolerating treason makes wars more difficult, and sometimes even costs you victory. Who knew?
Ahem?
Korea?
And, btw, the American citizens of Japanese descent whose property was (essentially) stolen, and who were interned were not traitors.
Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?
60 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:22pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.
61 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:41pm |
62 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:31:51pm |
re: #42 alegrias
Hillary Clinton brought back that cute half Japanese Iranian woman, Roxana Saberi, from Tehran recently.
Hillary has good taste. Roxana is ravishing.
64 | SummerSong Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:23pm |
OT - Fox News set for best year yet.
Viewership solid as rivals take post-election hits.
[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]
65 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:30pm |
re: #45 Nevergiveup
One author writes a book, which defends what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION, did under difficult crimcumstances in a era not 60 years ago and you try to use that to smear what ever you consider the "Hard Right". Sorry You can and have done better than that. Your reaching.
Are you challenging Killgore to spend all his time over the coming weeks to find another conservative who holds a similar position?
66 | Pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:34pm |
re: #56 Ward Cleaver
The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.
The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.
My wife is happa haole and her grandmother had 4 boys. The two pre-1941 boys: Japanese first names; the two post-1941 boys: Anglo names.
67 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:32:42pm |
I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.
(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)
68 | Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:12pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.
That's why one does all one can to get into congress...
/
69 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:12pm |
re: #34 Tatterdemalian
but considering our lackluster performance in every other war since then
'scuse me?
70 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:21pm |
re: #50 Kosh's Shadow
So that's why the new census form says:
Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other ** If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.
////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?
I can put five rounds on "Other *" from my front step while the ACORN worker is still on the sidewalk.
////////////////////
71 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:25pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
Shhhhh! You'll incur the wrath of the Tea Partiers.
No, she won't.
But that remark...is pushing at my temper, quite unnecessarily.
73 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:42pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.
* * * *
Democrats control the House & Senate, so GOP folks are unable to enact good, bad or indifferent legislation at present.
74 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:53pm |
How do they plan to build an internment camp for Lizards? Chicken wire? Fuck it, we're outta here.
75 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:56pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
It's the kind of thing some people see as patriotic these days. When that stupid actor went of Glenn Beck's show and said he wasn't going to pay his taxes people loved it. Anti-government militias are now seen as mainstream patriots. There's a whole lot of crazy going around these days. I see it as anti-American but others see it as patriotic duty.
76 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:33:58pm |
re: #55 jcm
I especially don't want ACORN anywhere near apportionment of congressional seats.
77 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:05pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
Hat tip to Charles.
NOT SAFE FOR EPILEPTICS.
No kidding, it almost gave me a seizure, and I'm not epileptic.
78 | calcajun Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:06pm |
Let's play "Spot the Loony".
I went round and round with a friend who is becoming for the first time, shall we say, politically aware. He is convinced that because of their passion, the nirthers are on to something. I had to explain that just because you feel strongly about something does not mean you're right. For his education, he is reading books by pundits--not history. I prevailed on him that the pundit literature is little more than 300-page editorials and that he read more early history of this country--that will help him put things in a better perspective.
79 | Right mind left Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:34:31pm |
re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby
Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......
There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
80 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:07pm |
re: #59 Dianna
Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?
Quite a lot of German-Americans WERE, in fact, "rounded up"; they just weren't interned all together in as dramatic a fashion as the Japanese-Americans were.
81 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:30pm |
re: #67 subsailor68
The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL
82 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:37pm |
re: #61 Kosh's Shadow
How about "NASCAR" for "Race"?
I think I'll put "rather slow, but I get there eventually."
83 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:53pm |
re: #62 Occasional Reader
Hillary has good taste. Roxana is ravishing.
* * * *
Very generous of Hillary Clinton & Pres. Obama to go to bat for ONE half-Iranian person and let millions suffer.
Paraphrasing Stalin, one person's problem is a tragedy, a million people's problems are just statistics.
84 | Velvet Elvis Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:35:59pm |
She's clearly taken leave of her census.
85 | SFGoth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:34pm |
Just you wait until you're asked whether you have firearms, how many, what type, what room they're kept in....
86 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:38pm |
re: #82 doppelganglander
I think I'll put "rather slow, but I get there eventually."
Thank you, Mrs. Tortoise.
87 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:38pm |
re: #65 unrealizedviewpoint
Are you challenging Killgore to spend all his time over the coming weeks to find another conservative who holds a similar position?
He won't have trouble doing so. He'll just cite websites Charles doesn't allow links to. And - while it's an interesting exercise - it will infuriate those of us who don't think that's all that useful.
88 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:41pm |
re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby
The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL
Well, I'm not visiting you anytime soon...
/;-P
89 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:36:58pm |
re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby
The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL
Love it! So, "low flow" refers to pissin' near the bottom of the mountain?
;-)
90 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:11pm |
re: #41 Occasional Reader
Now: I do remember that back in high school when we studied the whole Japanese internment issue, the question of "was there any solid information that there WAS widespread subversive activity among the Issei/Nikkei population?" never even came up. Which is interesting.
There is nothing "racist" or "xenophobic" in suggesting that people who were, for the most part, economic immigrants, would feel highly conflicted - at least, a substantial number of them - when Total War broke out between their homeland and their adopted country.
I am not one that condones what was done to ethnic Japanese on the west coast during the war, but unlike today where assimilation is quite common with Americans of Japanese decent (any decent these days), it was not very common back then. Japanese culture used terms like Issei/Nikkei to denote standing in Japanese society, not American society. I think in hindsight, the entire thing was done out of hysteria and paranoia, not for a good reason.
Michele Malkin's book is not as bad as it might seem. She does lay out a case, but I feel it falls short. I think her reasoning is tempered with what the Japanese did in the Philippines during the war as well. That was 1000x worse than what was done to ethnic Japanese here during the war. But, the internment was wrong and should not have been done, there is no way to get around that.
91 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:14pm |
Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent
European diplomatic sources said Thursday that kidnapped Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit will be transferred to Egypt in the coming hours or coming days.
This information has yet to be confirmed by Israeli officials.
92 | Tatterdemalian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:36pm |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not just useful, but downright vital to the statistical checks and balances that prevent our voting process from degenerating into an Iranian-style farce. It would be like trying to balance a thousand-page accounting ledger without using subtotals... if there was an error somewhere, odds are you'd never catch it.
93 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:38pm |
re: #80 Occasional Reader
Quite a lot of German-Americans WERE, in fact, "rounded up"; they just weren't interned all together in as dramatic a fashion as the Japanese-Americans were.
The German-American Bund had a really appalling level of overt action on behalf of Germany.
94 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:42pm |
re: #85 SFGoth
Just you wait until you're asked whether you have firearms, how many, what type, what room they're kept in....
Who me? We have no firearms at all sir.
/while looking up, to the left
95 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:37:55pm |
re: #70 jcm
I can put five rounds on "Other *" from my front step while the ACORN worker is still on the sidewalk.
////////////////////
"So... I'll take that as a 'yes' for 'Do you have any firearms in the house?'."
96 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:03pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
She thinks she can wield and flaunt the law as she so chooses. That's a dangerous mindset. She's a congresswoman. If she thinks the laws and regulations involving the census need correcting, she should propose legislation.
She can flaunt the laws, that's her right, and if that effects her career, then she will suffer the results.
In the video, she says that she does not suggest that anyone else follows her lead. She made that clear.
And yes, her connecting the census with the interment is why over the top, we could have rounded up anyone we wanted, in any fashion, census or no census.
But, your term "dangerous," is hyperbole, plain and simple. This is a census we are talking about, not treason.
And an honest question to you. Have you read ALL the question on the upcoming census form, and if you have, do you intend to answer each one of them, and honestly?
97 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:05pm |
re: #66 Pianobuff
My wife is happa haole and her grandmother had 4 boys. The two pre-1941 boys: Japanese first names; the two post-1941 boys: Anglo names.
* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschool
pre 1941: frankfurters on rolls
post 1941: hot dogs
98 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:10pm |
re: #81 reloadingisnotahobby
The number of toilets is an indicator of wealth!
I have 10 aces on the mountian and can piss on
every square inch!
I hope they don't expect ME to do the math!
LOL
Kid, is that you?
99 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:21pm |
100 | SFGoth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:35pm |
re: #91 Creeping Eruption
Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent
If I'm Shalit, and I'm not permanently crippled, the first thing I do is beat the shit out of Olmert.
101 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:36pm |
re: #88 jcm
I said I can not that I do!
Silly JCM! Your welcome any time We have an outhouse!
102 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:56pm |
103 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:38:58pm |
re: #56 Ward Cleaver
The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.
The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.
There is no doubt that racism played a large part in the internments and that is something that cannot be explained away. However, It was a different time and it was a scary time though.
104 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:04pm |
re: #61 Kosh's Shadow
How about "NASCAR" for "Race"?
A caucasian by any other name still acts white. /
105 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:04pm |
re: #91 Creeping Eruption
Way OT, but . . . : Europeans: Gilad Shalit transfer to Egypt imminent
Wow. I hope it's true.
At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.
106 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:05pm |
re: #78 calcajun
Let's play "Spot the Loony".
I went round and round with a friend who is becoming for the first time, shall we say, politically aware. He is convinced that because of their passion, the nirthers are on to something. I had to explain that just because you feel strongly about something does not mean you're right. For his education, he is reading books by pundits--not history. I prevailed on him that the pundit literature is little more than 300-page editorials and that he read more early history of this country--that will help him put things in a better perspective.
When someone like that says they admire a person for the sincerity of their beliefs, you can try my daughter's favorite response: Hitler was very sincere about his beliefs, too.
/sorry to Godwin the thread so early.
107 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:06pm |
re: #87 Dianna
Yeah, this stuff has been big with the Paulians, Alex Jones, New World Order types for years. It's not difficult to find.
108 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:11pm |
re: #67 subsailor68
I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.
(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)
2000 I got the long form, filled out address and how many people in the house. Sent it in. Some months later got the census worker showed up to get the rest of the info. Told him get a subpoena. He sputtered for a bit and left, never heard another thing.
109 | Pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:15pm |
re: #97 alegrias
* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschoolpre 1941: frankfurters on rolls
post 1941: hot dogs
As Johnny Carson would say...."I did not know that".
Thanks for some enlightenment today!
110 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:43pm |
I think many of you are being a tad myopic, if that's the correct word. It's real easy to criticize what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION did close to 70 years ago after this country was plunged into a World War who's outcome was anything but certain. I believe that is how Michelle Malkin addressed the issue if I remember the reviews correctly. I have not had the chance to read the book. Yes today many or most of us would not choose to react the same way that ROOSEVELT did, but that is NOT the issue. Charles and many of you here think Bachman is a lunatic who deserves your derision and contempt. Yet because she raises the bullshit issue of the Japanese Internment in relation to the census, you all jump on the bandwagon? Be a little consistent please.
111 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:39:56pm |
re: #105 Occasional Reader
Wow. I hope it's true.
At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.
The article seems to claim he is a "down payment" on a deal amongst the palis themselves, but I echo your sentiment wholeheartedly.
112 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:09pm |
re: #79 Right mind left
There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.
1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___
That about covers it.
113 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:18pm |
114 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:25pm |
re: #87 Dianna
He won't have trouble doing so. He'll just cite websites Charles doesn't allow links to. And - while it's an interesting exercise - it will infuriate those of us who don't think that's all that useful.
...or if you do stump him he will just down ding you and stop responding.
116 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:33pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
She thinks she can wield and
flauntflout the law as she so chooses.
[Pet peeve No. 337,452]
117 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:43pm |
re: #95 Occasional Reader
"So... I'll take that as a 'yes' for 'Do you have any firearms in the house?'."
Oh, they want a sample of each one?
/////////////
118 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:49pm |
re: #105 Occasional Reader
Wow. I hope it's true.
At the same time, I hope nothing stupid or dishonorable was done to secure his release.
Raises the question of ransom or release? They are not giving him up out of the goodness of their hearts.
119 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:49pm |
re: #103 Desert Dog
There is no doubt that racism played a large part in the internments and that is something that cannot be explained away. However, It was a different time and it was a scary time though.
Pre-Dec 7, there was a joke going around in Hawaii, in which an American asks her Japanese-American maid "If Japan attacks, are you going to kill me?"
"No, I kill Mrs. Johnson. Mrs. Johnson's maid kill you."
120 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:40:54pm |
re: #108 jcm
2000 I got the long form, filled out address and how many people in the house. Sent it in. Some months later got the census worker showed up to get the rest of the info. Told him get a subpoena. He sputtered for a bit and left, never heard another thing.
I salute you for that. (Not a lawyer either, but it seems to me you met the requirement set out in the Constitution. Probably why they never got back to ya.)
121 | wrenchwench Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:41:14pm |
122 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:41:39pm |
re: #97 alegrias
* * * *
pre 1941: kindergarten
post 1941: preschool
Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.
123 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:08pm |
re: #110 Nevergiveup
I think many of you are being a tad myopic, if that's the correct word. It's real easy to criticize what a DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION did close to 70 years ago after this country was plunged into a World War who's outcome was anything but certain. I believe that is how Michelle Malkin addressed the issue if I remember the reviews correctly. I have not had the chance to read the book. Yes today many or most of us would not choose to react the same way that ROOSEVELT did, but that is NOT the issue. Charles and many of you here think Bachman is a lunatic who deserves your derision and contempt. Yet because she raises the bullshit issue of the Japanese Internment in relation to the census, you all jump on the bandwagon? Be a little consistent please.
Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.
124 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:45pm |
re: #115 taxfreekiller
if a Democrat leaders should ever ask one of the loon liberals to lean over and count the hairs on their ass hole for the government good. ,, done!
Dingleberry picking
/hmmm
125 | Right mind left Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:42:58pm |
re: #112 CyanSnowHawk
Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.
1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___
That about covers it.
Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...
///worst nightmare
126 | Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:05pm |
*cuckoo clock sound effect*
127 | Tatterdemalian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:13pm |
re: #59 Dianna
Ahem?
Korea?
What of it? You think ending up with a power-mad nutcase ruling over a wasteland of his own making threatening Hawaii with nukes counts as a victory? I don't see half of Japan doing that.
And, btw, the American citizens of Japanese descent whose property was (essentially) stolen, and who were interned were not traitors.Now, if you want to talk about the number of American citizens of German descent who actually did spy for the Reich?
Can you be sure? Even if you could, FDR very likely couldn't, and he at least didn't take that chance with the survival of the US on the line.
128 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:26pm |
Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.
It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.
Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.
Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:
"...in the afternoon I sunbathe and read on the beach. I've started here 'The age of turbulence' from Alan Greenspan which I highly recomend you."
Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.
129 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:31pm |
re: #108 jcm
Or " get th Fu$# of my property.........
Actually they're just doing a part time gig so I wouldn't be crass or rude.
They won't get past the dog anyway...He HATES Census people!
130 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:42pm |
131 | capitalist piglet Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:43:56pm |
re: #56 Ward Cleaver
The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.The actor Jack Soo, that played in Barney Miller, was born Jack Suzuki, but changed his name to the Chinese-sounding Soo, to avoid the scrutiny given to Japanese-Americans.
Actually, some were, I think.
With these things, it's always important to take into consideration the context. We look back in horror at a lot of things - but I think there was actually evidence of Japanese espionage. In fact, I think someone was arrested here in Seattle for signaling someone off the coast with the headlights of their car...I'd have to look that one up to be sure. FDR probably overreacted, but it's not that there wasn't anything at all going on to provoke it.
132 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:00pm |
re: #96 Walter L. Newton
But, your term "dangerous," is hyperbole, plain and simple. This is a census we are talking about, not treason.
No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.
133 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:02pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
We changed our mind.
/Besides, Roosevelt was a Dem.
/
134 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:03pm |
re: #125 Right mind left
Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...
///worst nightmare
And 8 x 10 color glossies with a sticker on the back tellin' what each one was?
135 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:17pm |
re: #122 Occasional Reader
Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.
* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.
136 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:20pm |
re: #112 CyanSnowHawk
Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.
1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___
That about covers it.
Demographics are important on many levels. It's nice to know who is here, etc, etc. Unfortunately, the many of the results of this census will be used for political gains and as a redistricting guide for one particular political party (the one that rhymes with moonbat).
137 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:44:22pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Yeah, this stuff has been big with the Paulians, Alex Jones, New World Order types for years. It's not difficult to find.
I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.
Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?
138 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:04pm |
re: #128 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.
It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.
Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.
Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:
Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.
Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.
139 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:05pm |
And yes, I intend to answer my census form honestly. I might check "other" for race and write in "human" but that's still true.
140 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:16pm |
re: #132 Sharmuta
No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.
It sounds like seething.
141 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:41pm |
re: #124 unrealizedviewpoint
Dingleberry picking
/hmmm
Thats how Starfleet got its origins. Protecting us from Klingons circling Uranus.
/In side every grown man is a sick Jr. High boy.
142 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:45:42pm |
re: #120 subsailor68
I salute you for that. (Not a lawyer either, but it seems to me you met the requirement set out in the Constitution. Probably why they never got back to ya.)
There's a debate on the legal aspects, Congress empowers the Census Bureau and they under that authority get to ask certain things. There's no speed limits in the Constitution, but there are speed limits everywhere. There is force of law to it.
There is a penalty for not replying.
I don't think it's ever really been challenged, and the Census Bureau probably isn't willing to go to the mat to get every single person to comply.
143 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:13pm |
re: #135 alegrias
* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.
I vas only following orders! I luff my adopted country!
/Franz Liebkind voice
144 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:25pm |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.
* * * *
I'll take her over Nancy Pelosi any day.
Odd how Pelosi/Markey/Barney's assaults on the country which will affect all of us for years, seem so benign by comparison. NOT.
145 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:39pm |
re: #132 Sharmuta
No- it's not hyperbole to call it dangerous when this mindset is meant to undermine the rule of law.
And thanks for the answer. Now, on to my second question. Have you read ALL of the upcoming census questions and do you intend to answer each one that pertains to you and each one honestly?
146 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:41pm |
re: #137 Dianna
I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.
Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?
The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.
147 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:48pm |
re: #137 Dianna
I can't speak for Bachmann but the hardcore libertarian loonies consider our own soldiers as stooges of our international empire. In their minds WWII wasn't worth fighting.
148 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:46:52pm |
re: #125 Right mind left
Absolutely, but you know in this Administration that will be highly unlikely...I expect them to come out with a 100 page census and say "This IS the SHORT form!" with 50 of those pages being legalese on why the other 50 must be completed entirely, with photos and videos expected of all...
///worst nightmare
Plead the fifth.
149 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:07pm |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
Yes, it appears that there is some seething and outraged about Bachmann.
I don't like the way she's encouraging paranoia with that set of remarks.
We have enough trouble with that, already.
150 | ihateronpaul Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:12pm |
Michelle Malkin got famous justifying internment! What a fresh new voice!
151 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:13pm |
re: #139 Sharmuta
And yes, I intend to answer my census form honestly. I might check "other" for race and write in "human" but that's still true.
Dangerous!
152 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:22pm |
re: #122 Occasional Reader
Hey, I attended "kindergarten", and I'm definitely not THAT old.
Yeah, he was too young to fully appreciate Farah Fawcett in 1976.
I went to "kindergarten" as well ... at a Lutheran church, though, as our school district did not yet offer it.
153 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:39pm |
re: #129 reloadingisnotahobby
Or " get th Fu$# of my property.........
Actually they're just doing a part time gig so I wouldn't be crass or rude.
They won't get past the dog anyway...He HATES Census people!
I was polite, he was just doing a job for a few bucks.
154 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:47:53pm |
re: #135 alegrias
* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.
German language and customs are very useful in Argentina!
/
155 | Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:03pm |
Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:
156 | Patriot Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:04pm |
Charles, et al,
Before we go off too hard on the Left OR the Right for internment, it might be useful to refresh (or educate) yourself on what is known as the "Niihau Incident", and on the assistance received by a pre-attack Japanese Spy from 'local' Hawaiians.
I'm not defending internment per se, but it's disingenuous to use a current frame of reference for a prior action without acknowledging the surrounding circumstances.
I happened to have watch Ms. Bachmann this morning and the clip is only a part of the entire interview. If she is factually incorrect about the source of the data used for the internment, then call her on that.
If not, then play the whole interview so some context can be established for comment.
157 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:24pm |
re: #135 alegrias
* * ***
Verrrrry interesting, Herr O.R.! Ve have vays to find out vhy you vere in a German sounding institution.
I can distinctly recall the First Grader taunt:
Baby! Baby!
Kindergarten baby!
Stick your head in gravy!
Wash it out with bubble gum
and send it to the Navy!
I also recall that someone had to explain to us what the "Navy" was. (This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)
158 | SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:25pm |
re: #1 Occasional Reader
Nissei it ain't so, Michelle.
puns like this should be an ichibannable offense
159 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:27pm |
re: #138 MandyManners
Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.
That too.
But I certainly wouldn't marry a woman who would have a politician for a spouse. It's one of the first questions I'd ask. "Would you marry me if I were a politician?" Affirmative answer = dealbreaker.
160 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:30pm |
re: #153 jcm
I was polite, he was just doing a job for a few bucks.
That's what Eddie Murphy told the cops about his "passenger", IIRC.
/
161 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:48:43pm |
re: #128 Cato the Elder
Aren't you supposed to be on vacation?
162 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:00pm |
OT--Immigration
New Video/almost LIVE
Obama wants to legalize status of "undocumented workers who are here"
"Get something done right now"
Fully behind comprehensive immigration reform
Napolitano will lead up a group to systematically work through these issues....in House and Senate.
163 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:32pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
I can distinctly recall the First Grader taunt:
Baby! Baby!
Kindergarten baby!
Stick your head in gravy!
Wash it out with bubble gum
and send it to the Navy!I also recall that someone had to explain to us what the "Navy" was. (This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)
Mondagreen!
164 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:47pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
I can't speak for Bachmann but the hardcore libertarian loonies consider our own soldiers as stooges of our international empire. In their minds WWII wasn't worth fighting.
KT, the operative word in that first sentence is "loonies."
165 | calcajun Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:49:47pm |
re: #116 Occasional Reader
[Pet peeve No. 337,452]
I no longer have pet peeves. They became feral after I set them free on the world.
166 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:12pm |
re: #142 jcm
There's a debate on the legal aspects, Congress empowers the Census Bureau and they under that authority get to ask certain things. There's no speed limits in the Constitution, but there are speed limits everywhere. There is force of law to it.
There is a penalty for not replying.
I don't think it's ever really been challenged, and the Census Bureau probably isn't willing to go to the mat to get every single person to comply.
Yeah, and I think I see why there would be a debate - the last words of that section I quoted above are:
in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
I would think the Founding Fathers were talking about the "who's gonna do it" as opposed to "how intrusive shall we get this time", but I certainly take your point. And I bet you're right that the bureau just hasn't (so far) wanted to push it.
167 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:23pm |
re: #140 Walter L. Newton
It's not seething to point out this mentality is dangerous. It should be setting off red flags about this person and what they think of the law. As a law maker, she has a very skewed sense of the meaning of the law in this country, imo. I think she should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. It's the damned census.
168 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:25pm |
re: #151 Walter L. Newton
Dangerous!
Subversive, too.
Almost as funny as crayoning in "Yes, please" on the "Sex" line.
169 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:27pm |
re: #127 Tatterdemalian
The U.S. military's performance in Gulf War I, Afghanistan, and Gulf War II was anything but "lackluster".
In fact, on a proportional basis, they performed far more effectively than they did in WWII.
170 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:40pm |
re: #161 Dianna
Aren't you supposed to be on vacation?
Got delayed by a flaw in my digestive system (nuf sed). Leaving tonight.
171 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:45pm |
re: #128 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.
It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.
Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.
Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:
Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.
I don't really think Mrs. Sanford is stupid, but I do think a lot of aspiring politicians choose a wife because she's suitable, not because they love her. It may become more of a public partnership than a private relationship.
Usually I have nothing but contempt for the cheaters, but I feel sort of sorry for Sanford. I think he's clearly too sensitive and emotional to be in higher office. Mrs. Sanford comes across as rather cold, and I think he was honestly just looking for love. Dumb move in the way he carried it out, but I hope he returns to private life and gets act together.
172 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:50:49pm |
re: #136 Desert Dog
Democraphic are only worth they're wieght in skunk shit if the
answers are HONEST!
How many illegals are going to fill in" Are you an illegal Alien"
with" Sie!
173 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:06pm |
re: #159 Cato the Elder
That too.
But I certainly wouldn't marry a woman who would have a politician for a spouse. It's one of the first questions I'd ask. "Would you marry me if I were a politician?" Affirmative answer = dealbreaker.
What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?
"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"
'Err...'
174 | WinterCat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:20pm |
re: #90 Desert Dog
I think in hindsight, the entire thing was done out of hysteria and paranoia, not for a good reason.
That was very true. America had been attacked and people were frightened. It was a terrible thing. Earl Warren, who eventually became the Chief Justice, and was California's Atty General and then Governor -- and a very liberal man -- was highly supportive of internment at the time. In later years he came to deeply regret this position. Times of war are different from times of peace and hindsight is 20/20.
175 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:30pm |
re: #155 Charles
Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:
geeez, she enjoys being on the fringe does she?
176 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:52pm |
re: #136 Desert Dog
Demographics are important on many levels. It's nice to know who is here, etc, etc. Unfortunately, the many of the results of this census will be used for political gains and as a redistricting guide for one particular political party (the one that rhymes with moonbat).
The Constitution says nothing about gathering demographic data. Adding a few questions to the census is a handy way to get that data, but it is not required. The result of an enumeration is a number, that is all.
In the 1990 census I went round and round with a census taker about that. I told them, there are two US citizens living here, and gave that answer for all further questions. I wish I had thought of the subpoena line that was given above.
177 | Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:51:57pm |
Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.
She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...
...I'd still hit it though.
178 | Velvet Elvis Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:52:08pm |
re: #138 MandyManners
Bullshit. They cheat because they're dishonorable bastards who cannot keep their dicks in their pants.
You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.
179 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:52:34pm |
re: #164 Dianna
KT, the operative word in that first sentence is "loonies."
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
180 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:03pm |
re: #167 Sharmuta
It's not seething to point out this mentality is dangerous. It should be setting off red flags about this person and what they think of the law. As a law maker, she has a very skewed sense of the meaning of the law in this country, imo. I think she should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. It's the damned census.
IMO, I think you should save the righteous indignation for bigger fish. You're seething.
181 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:27pm |
re: #173 iceweasel
What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?
"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"
'Err...'
This incarnation has never been a politician. Lots of other disreputable things, but never that in this lifetime.
Now will you marry me? ;^)
182 | MJ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:30pm |
re: #155 Charles
Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:
Bachmann is a member of a church that is part of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod which believes the the Pope is the Antichrist:
"Therefore on the basis of a renewed study of the pertinent Scriptures we reaffirm the statement of the Lutheran Confessions, that “the Pope is the very Antichrist” '
[Link: www.wels.net...]
She claims that her pastor said that her church doesn't believe that but nevertheless her church is still a member of WELS:
[Link: wcco.com...]
183 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:35pm |
re: #168 OldLineTexan
Subversive, too.
Almost as funny as crayoning in "Yes, please" on the "Sex" line.
You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!
184 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:45pm |
re: #173 iceweasel
What, so Cato the Elder wasn't a politician?
"Hello, I'm Cato the Elder. Would you marry me if I were Cato the Elder?"
'Err...'
And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?
185 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:50pm |
re: #146 Desert Dog
The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.
Correct:
The 442nd Infantry, formerly the 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army, was an Asian American unit composed of mostly Japanese Americans who fought in Europe during the Second World War.[1] The families of many of its soldiers were subject to internment. The 442nd was a self-sufficient fighting force, and fought with uncommon distinction in Italy, southern France, and Germany. The unit became the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients, earning the nickname “The Purple Heart Battalion”.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
186 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:53pm |
re: #166 subsailor68
Yeah, and I think I see why there would be a debate - the last words of that section I quoted above are:
in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
I would think the Founding Fathers were talking about the "who's gonna do it" as opposed to "how intrusive shall we get this time", but I certainly take your point. And I bet you're right that the bureau just hasn't (so far) wanted to push it.
And who's gonna do it, is the big issue I have this time around.
I can't imagine the founders signing off on the long form.
187 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:53:59pm |
re: #170 Cato the Elder
Got delayed by a flaw in my digestive system (nuf sed). Leaving tonight.
As the lefties are fond of saying, "just poop".
188 | capitalist piglet Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:23pm |
re: #177 Pawn of the Oppressor
Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.
She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...
...I'd still hit it though.
As I typically say when I see this: Nothing turns a woman on like being referred to as "it". /
189 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:43pm |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
To use your fav word: Strawman
Or, "you wish"
190 | vxbush Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:49pm |
re: #171 doppelganglander
Complete OT: Is it my turn in our game?
191 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:54:52pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!
My dear, I am sure you would not need a form for that.
192 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:18pm |
re: #146 Desert Dog
The Japanese volunteers fought pretty damn hard in Europe too. I think they were among the most decorated and suffered a higher percentage of causalities than most other units.
You think correctly. There are whole books on this subject.
I should mention that my best friend's father was interned as a teenager; and that one formative influence in my childhood was both an internee, and her family owned a piece of property that was to all intents and purposes stolen, and that property made millions - of which her family never saw a penny.
Injustice is injustice. Theft is theft. The fact is, the US government, even in a fight for its life, was not within its rights to 1) intern American citizens of Japanese descent and 2) force them to lose their property.
193 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:28pm |
re: #183 MandyManners
You mean there's a form I can fill out to get some? Wow!
Er... why, yes, yes there is! I'll mail it right out to you.
194 | Pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:49pm |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
You're painting with an awfully broad paintbrushroller.
195 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:55:58pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.
196 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:22pm |
re: #194 Pianobuff
You're painting with an awfully broad paint
brushroller.
When you use tar, you need a big brush. Hell, they use mops.
197 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:37pm |
198 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:41pm |
re: #195 Sharmuta
No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.
I'll leave it at that.
199 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:42pm |
re: #181 Cato the Elder
This incarnation has never been a politician. Lots of other disreputable things, but never that in this lifetime.
Now will you marry me? ;^)
Hmmm, I don't know. I'm not convinced you've been disreputable enough for me-- although it is some relief to know you haven't been a politician. I like a little disrepute, but not dishonour.
Besides, you are going away on vacation. And you owe me an email!
200 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:45pm |
re: #172 reloadingisnotahobby
Democraphic are only worth they're wieght in skunk shit if the
answers are HONEST!
How many illegals are going to fill in" Are you an illegal Alien"
with" Sie!
* * * * *
I speak Spanish and just this week
I have seen on tv Latino community organizers telling spanish speakers to participate in the census so all will be counted.
Democrats want all 20 million non-citizens counted as well as citizens.
Some spanish speakers don't quite believe their democrat promises, but there you have it.
Spanish speakers are being promised goodies if they participate, and I trust Obama to deliver to his SEIU and union members including non-English non citizens.
It's a numbers game, and its what community organizers do, including counting the votes of dead people, as the old joke goes.
WHO is surprised here?
201 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:56:47pm |
203 | jwb7605 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:15pm |
re: #193 Occasional Reader
Er... why, yes, yes there is! I'll mail it right out to you.
Snail mail?
I have the online form. With a place for thumbnails!
204 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:34pm |
re: #178 Conservative Moonbat
You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.
Yep.
205 | vxbush Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:57:42pm |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
It is now - she just played.
Ah! Beautiful. Okay, back to your regularly scheduled off-topicness.
206 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:15pm |
re: #186 jcm
And who's gonna do it, is the big issue I have this time around.
I can't imagine the founders signing off on the long form.
LOL! Me either. I can just imagine:
John Adams: Have you prepared the census form?
Thomas Jefferson: Right here Ben.
John Adams: Good grief Tom, it's over two hundred pages long.
Thomas Jefferson: Yes. So?
John Adams: Ben?
Ben Franklin: Yes, John?
John Adams: How long will it take to print enough of these for everyone in the country?
Ben Franklin: Oh, about twelve years.
207 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:16pm |
re: #203 jwb7605
Snail mail?
I have the online form. With a place for thumbnails!
Wanted: Woman who owns a boat and likes to gut, clean, and cook fish. Send picture of boat.
/
208 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:58:54pm |
re: #195 Sharmuta
No- I'm not seething. Bachmann is seething and foaming at the mouth over a census form. It's ridiculous. But more- this shows insight to her vision. She's unconstrained, and this kookspiracy theory she's clinging to shows she's absurd.
Bachmann is a nut. And censorious, although I bet someone has used that in this thread.
Charles already said it all. She specialises in appealing to the fringe. She likes it. It's where she wants to be.
209 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:13pm |
re: #200 alegrias
Very true!
I retract my retort.......I think!
210 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:20pm |
re: #208 iceweasel
Bachmann is a nut. And censorious, although I bet someone has used that in this thread.
Charles already said it all. She specialises in appealing to the fringe. She likes it. It's where she wants to be.
Why are you seething? ///
211 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:37pm |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
No, dear, they are not. You want to believe that, you harp on it day and night. You insist that all Republican/conservative circles believe this lunacy, and I am here to tell you that no, they do not.
KT, my friends and neighbors have attended a Tea Party. My friends and neighbors are about 1/3 Republican/fiscal conservatives, and they don't buy this madness in the main. I do not count my friend who has been a "black helicopter" thinker since the early 90's; I think he just enjoys the thrill it gives him, though. Even he doesn't believe all the nonsense, and would battle against any group being interned.
212 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 12:59:41pm |
I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"
/
214 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:15pm |
re: #200 alegrias
* * * * *
I speak Spanish and just this week
I have seen on tv Latino community organizers telling spanish speakers to participate in the census so all will be counted.Democrats want all 20 million non-citizens counted as well as citizens.
Some spanish speakers don't quite believe their democrat promises, but there you have it.
Spanish speakers are being promised goodies if they participate, and I trust Obama to deliver to his SEIU and union members including non-English non citizens.
It's a numbers game, and its what community organizers do, including counting the votes of dead people, as the old joke goes.
WHO is surprised here?
One side is playing for keeps and will do anything to get and keep power, the other side is busy having affairs and getting into spats with talk show hosts. Gee, I wonder why we are losing?
216 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:28pm |
re: #184 Desert Dog
And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?
Don't forget Kato, the world's most infamous houseguest.
217 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:31pm |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
FOX has, IMO, one show that's off the rails - Beck's. Even that is not total nuts, only part is. Again, your brush is too too broad. Ease up Killgore and regain some credibility.
218 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:00:42pm |
re: #178 Conservative Moonbat
You left out narcissists. At least at higher levels, a lot of politicians are narcissists.
A politicians craft and trade is seduction, seducing voters into voting for him. When your way of life is seduction, it's far easier for it to slip into personal seduction.
219 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:12pm |
re: #171 doppelganglander
I don't really think Mrs. Sanford is stupid, but I do think a lot of aspiring politicians choose a wife because she's suitable, not because they love her. It may become more of a public partnership than a private relationship.
Usually I have nothing but contempt for the cheaters, but I feel sort of sorry for Sanford. I think he's clearly too sensitive and emotional to be in higher office. Mrs. Sanford comes across as rather cold, and I think he was honestly just looking for love. Dumb move in the way he carried it out, but I hope he returns to private life and gets act together.
I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.
Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.
Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?
220 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:16pm |
re: #189 Desert Dog
She's a big hit with the Tea Party crowd.....
Tim Pawlenty & Michelle Bachmann tea party
Much more here
You should look up the meaning of a Strawman argument. I don't think you know what it means.
221 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:21pm |
re: #184 Desert Dog
And, what about Kato the Chauffeur?
I had to click the link.
Geeky and love me some comics, but woefully ignorant of the classic comics. Damn!
222 | Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:21pm |
re: #131 capitalist piglet
With these things, it's always important to take into consideration the context. We look back in horror at a lot of things - but I think there was actually evidence of Japanese espionage. In fact, I think someone was arrested here in Seattle for signaling someone off the coast with the headlights of their car...I'd have to look that one up to be sure. FDR probably overreacted, but it's not that there wasn't anything at all going on to provoke it.
There was an incident on an island just north of Hawaii proper that might have actually been the trigger for internment. If I recall correctly, one of the participants in the Pearl Harbor raid actually crash-landed on this island and... something bad happened with the locals, I don't remember exactly what. The natives were Americans of Japanese descent and I think they found conclusively that the locals helped the pilot kill a couple of people in an attempt to escape.
I'm sure it's on Wikipedia somewhere, and Air & Space magazine had a ten page article on the incident a year or two ago. The whole thing was classified at the time but it's alleged to have been one of the incidents that spurred along internment.
And then there's the quasi-fascist notion that Japanese people were put up for their own safety. My father always maintains that we "just can't understand the rage" the nation felt right after Pearl Harbor (he was 9 at the time), and that it might have been flat-out unsafe for Japanese-Americans to live their daily lives in a normal way.
223 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:01:33pm |
I got the long form one year. It came full of dire consequences.
224 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:01pm |
Despite decades of denials, government records confirm that the U.S. Census Bureau provided the U.S. Secret Service with names and addresses of Japanese-Americans during World War II.
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]
That's not quite the justification I would have used......
Last census I received the long form. I considered it far too intrusive and refused to fill out anything other than how many people lived at my home. They sent people out to interview me and I held fast. After the second person, they went away without their answers.
For those of you who didn't have the joy of receiving the long form, here it is:
[Link: www.census.gov...]
225 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:06pm |
re: #202 taxfreekiller So when our construction workers and agricultural workers are reduced to sneaking into Mexico to find work what kind of reception do you think they will get on the border?
(Only partially /)
226 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:12pm |
re: #212 OldLineTexan
I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"
/
As long as 2 votes get counted who cares?
/ACORN
227 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:24pm |
OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."
Hahahahaha
Biden's always saying crazy stuff.
228 | medaura18586 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:02:46pm |
230 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:11pm |
231 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:13pm |
re: #227 alegrias
OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."Hahahahaha
Biden's always saying crazy stuff.
"I got grasshoppers taped to my back!"
233 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:26pm |
re: #200 alegrias
I speak Spanish and just this week
Reminds me: I had a conversation the other day with two españols and a mejicana, who had refreshingly positive things to say about living in the US. All spoke very highly of American civic culture; including the classic story I hear from a lot of foreign expats living here, "I left my cellphone/wallet/purse at the food court/shopping mall/Metro, and half an hour later got a call from the person who found it, and it was returned to me intact... that would never have happened in my country."
It was a very nice corrective to the usual gringo/yanqui-bashing one hears.
235 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:49pm |
Here's one of the national tea party blogs praising her insanity.....
Congresswoman Bachmann Grills Geithner & Bernanke
236 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:03:50pm |
The worst job I ever had was working for the Census Bureau. In 1990 I had to go to the homes of people who didn't fill in or send in their forms and try to get them to do them. Not a fun job.
237 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:04:09pm |
re: #212 OldLineTexan
I can see it now: The very Republic hinges on whether we count "Space JEEZus" or "Space Hay-SUS"
/
Play-by-play announcer: "And now up to bat, the Savior of the Wooooorld!
Color commentator: Um, Bob... I think that's pronounced Hay-soos."
238 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:04:14pm |
re: #227 alegrias
OT
LIVE
Joe Biden says "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs."Hahahahaha
Biden's always saying crazy stuff.
He's like Bachmann, you say?
/
239 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:12pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.
Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.
Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?
Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.
Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.
Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.
241 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:37pm |
re: #228 medaura18586
Hey!
I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)
242 | MrSilverDragon Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:05:53pm |
Well folks, once again it's time for me to get put back into the cage. Have a wonderful evening, everyone!
243 | mardukhai Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:14pm |
Perhaps the lady shouldjust be asked to walk a straight line or touch a finger to her nose.
244 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:23pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.
Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.
Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?
Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.
245 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:26pm |
another Tea Party site endorsing Bachmann's insanity.....
Bachmann bill would ban global currency
247 | debutaunt Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:06:44pm |
re: #67 subsailor68
I'm not a Constitutional scholar, but my understanding of the census is to "enumerate" for the purpose of apportioning representation in the House. Here's the text:
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
I have absolutely no problem with that, but for the life of me can't quite grasp the value of knowing how many toilets I have when it comes to apportioning representation.
(Unless Congress wants to know how many ways I have to flush the crap they send out.)
Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.
248 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:07:34pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
Do you know anything about this band?
One Track Mind
[Link: www.onetrackmind.biz:80...]
Just curious?
250 | MandyManners Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:00pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
I think in general it's a mutual thing. The kind of woman who would want a politician for a husband has something wrong with her. And the kind of man who would want that kind of woman, ditto. So they mostly end up deserving each other.
Then there's the whole thing of marrying someone because you think she'll do well with your potential voters. That's just a sick calculation when entering into a marriage. Very, very high eww factor.
Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?
This is bordering on misogyny.
251 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:06pm |
Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on Acorn
I'll stop now. I think I've made my case.
252 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:13pm |
re: #248 Nevergiveup
Do you know anything about this band?
One Track Mind
[Link: www.onetrackmind.biz:80...]
Just curious?
Holy shit... LOL, spot on.
253 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:15pm |
re: #238 OldLineTexan
He's like Bachmann, you say?
/
* * * *
Bachmann didn't plagiarize her way through law school & presidential speeches like the asshole Biden did.
Bachmann was a tax attorney and had a career before politics, unlike Biden who went straight to the public trough and naturally thinks government "makes" jobs.
Biden's whole adult life has been at your expense.
254 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:36pm |
re: #247 debutaunt
Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.
GPF inspectors, all are your toilets low flow?
255 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:08:51pm |
re: #248 Nevergiveup
Nope, Haven't heard of them before.
256 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:07pm |
257 | Tatterdemalian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:07pm |
re: #169 Occasional Reader
The U.S. military's performance in Gulf War I, Afghanistan, and Gulf War II was anything but "lackluster".
In fact, on a proportional basis, they performed far more effectively than they did in WWII.
Their military performance was more flawless than in any war the US ever fought before. Unfortunately, the non-military population of the US was conditioned to expect not just victory, but also peace, democracy, and multiculturalism to spring up like flowers in our wake. Even the most overwhelming success is still a failure if the population the military is fighting to defend re-frames it as one, thanks to propaganda and information warfare.
258 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:24pm |
259 | jwb7605 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:27pm |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.
Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.
Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.
DUDE!
I just picked my Facebook "5 things I'd like to see disappear forever".
These are (not necessarily in order):
-- Politicians
-- Reality TV
-- Global Warming LIES
-- Fundamentalism
-- Diversity
BIG BROAD brush, but I stand behind it. I commented "Diversity" has become a closet word for "Racism". It used to mean "another way of looking at it". It now means "I promote <insert skin color>". That needs to go away.
260 | debutaunt Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:09:31pm |
re: #79 Right mind left
There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
All they will get from me is the quantity of people in my home.
262 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:08pm |
re: #218 jcm
A politicians craft and trade is seduction, seducing voters into voting for him. When your way of life is seduction, it's far easier for it to slip into personal seduction.
Very true, and this point is not being made enough.
Also the fact that a politician almost by definition has to be someone who feeds on performance and feedback, like anyone else who makes their living on a stage (musicians, actors). They need the audience; being successful at what they do requires responding to and playing to an audience.
Politicans have affairs partly because their stagecraft is seduction, but also because they have an internal need for adulation.
263 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:35pm |
264 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:10:35pm |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.
Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.
Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.
I guess Cato went on vacation?
267 | jwb7605 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:29pm |
re: #261 taxfreekiller
on second thinking
someone may be posting from a padded room now
Why did Charles make great big post numbers? Does he think I'm getting senile? What's he trying to distract me from?
268 | irish rose Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:38pm |
Good afternoon, lizards!
I see that the stalkers at the non-stalker site are now stalking Hoosier Hoops and myself (in addition to their ongoing stalking of Sharmuta, Charles and anyone else who has the tenacity to spit in their eye).
They've been searching public records for information about me, just as I expected they would... how quaint.
269 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:42pm |
re: #260 debutaunt
All they will get from me is the quantity of people in my home.
Prepare to have them knock on your door.
270 | John Neverbend Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:11:56pm |
re: #219 Cato the Elder
Can't speak to Sanford's psyche, but if you're looking for love, wouldn't someone who doesn't think Alan Greenspan is a great beach read be a little more appealing?
Quite. I read the e-mails, mis-spellings and all. What a load of turgid twaddle. Now, if it had been like Charles and Camilla's 'phone exchanges, that would have been interesting.
271 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:16pm |
re: #247 debutaunt
Maybe the number of toilets you have will be part of the water rationing equation.
Not far off there.
There is a new thing called LEEDs .
It's all about energy, environment and control and getting people to stop driving cars.
Your country is being stolen from you right under your noses.
But Beck is a wacko, so well, ok, mmmmmmmm, donuts........
272 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:17pm |
re: #266 buzzsawmonkey Pass Buzz the butter he's on a roll today!
273 | bloodnok Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:31pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on AcornI'll stop now. I think I've made my case.
Until tomorrow, anyway when someone will say that all of your claims are "unsubstantiated!".
274 | KingKenrod Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:36pm |
re: #128 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, my thoughts on why so many male politicians cheat on their wives.
It's simple. They can only marry women who are idiotic enough to want to be the wives of politicians.
Stupid gets boring. You'd cheat, too.
Unfortunately Sanford didn't have much better luck with his GF. Sample steamy email:
Phew. Now old Cato's all hot and bothered.
I think if you could get accurate data (probably impossible) you would find the politicians cheat less on their spouses than the average public. The reason why is that when a politician gets caught, there are two consequences that ordinary people don't suffer: career destruction and public humiliation. The costs of a politician getting caught are much higher, and the odds of getting caught are much greater as well.
275 | mardukhai Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:37pm |
re: #244 doppelganglander
Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.
Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)
As a result, I can safely say that any governor could actually BE a hound dog, and most women would find him attractive.
277 | SixDegrees Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:12:51pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
I'm waiting for Malkin's head to explode over this one...
278 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:13:19pm |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
Speaking of painting with a broad brush. You have just basically called every politician and their mates a bunch of strata whores, people who are only interested in a relationship if it can bring them power, money, fame and public attention.
Sure, this happens, but you are making this all inclusive, which is absurd.
Please tell me this is, on your part, opinion, and anecdotal, or else, show me proof.
LOL. Proof?
It's my satirical opinion.
And strata whores are everywhere. Why, their numbers are stratospheric.
279 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:06pm |
re: #244 doppelganglander
Well, he was looking for love, but who knows what the mysterious Maria was looking for. I personally think smart is sexy, but I don't think I could get past Sanford's resemblance to a hound dog.
Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.
/
280 | Neutral President Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:23pm |
Well she's been barking at the moon like all the Paulians and Nirthers for awhile now. This isn't a stretch. I'm surprised she isn't rambling about water fluoridation as well.
281 | wrenchwench Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:14:44pm |
re: #268 irish rose
Good afternoon, lizards!
I see that the stalkers at the non-stalker site are now stalking Hoosier Hoops and myself (in addition to their ongoing stalking of Sharmuta, Charles and anyone else who has the tenacity to spit in their eye).
They've been searching public records for information about me, just as I expected they would... how quaint.
Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.
/
282 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:11pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
If your case is Bachman is nuts I'd agree.
If your case is that Republicans are nuts because Bachman represents their mainstream I'd have to take issue with that.
283 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:19pm |
re: #278 Cato the Elder
...And strata whores are everywhere. Why, their numbers are stratospheric.
And so are misogynist.
284 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:43pm |
re: #270 John Neverbend
Quite. I read the e-mails, mis-spellings and all. What a load of turgid twaddle. Now, if it had been like Charles and Camilla's 'phone exchanges, that would have been interesting.
Turgid may not entirely be the right word. Nor interesting.
285 | mardukhai Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:45pm |
re: #278 Cato the Elder
Interesting term, strata whores. In the men's movement, we always called them status whores.
Feminasties simply hated that term.
286 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:48pm |
re: #275 mardukhai
Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)
As a result, I can safely say that any governor could actually BE a hound dog, and most women would find him attractive.
You knew Megan Marshack? (I admit, I had to look up her name). I remember that event vividly. Everyone laughed, but I suppose it was very traumatic for her.
287 | WinterCat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:15:59pm |
re: #251 Killgore Trout
Another Tea Party endorsement....
Minnesota's Bachmann takes on AcornI'll stop now. I think I've made my case.
I don't think people who attend Tea Parties are crazy in general. I think there are fringe groups on the left and the right. Tea Party people need to kick out the crazies, yes. But wouldn't it be great for the democrats if they could dump the Code Pink and Che crowd?
288 | Gearhead Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:06pm |
Whoops! There she goes - off the deep end.
Would all rest of the Republicans with a looney (or libidinous) streak please stand up now so the sane ones will stand a chance next year? Please? I'm putting in a lot of volunteer hours already and I don't want to have wasted them.
289 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:15pm |
re: #279 Occasional Reader
Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.
/
I thought her name was Appalacia - isn't that what Sanford said he was doing for two days? /
290 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:31pm |
re: #279 Occasional Reader
Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.
/
maria! he just met a girl named Maria.......
291 | John Neverbend Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #275 mardukhai
Well, I'm someone who has personally observed politicians and their groupies. (Former Vice President and New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller died while "inter delicto" with a female friend of mine)
I hadn't heard of that event until a few weeks ago when HWSNBN mentioned it on his radio show. I don't recall how it came up, but it was probably sandwiched between a story about his dog Teddy and some amusing but disparaging reference to Glenn Beck.
292 | irish rose Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:12pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
Hey!
I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)
... not here!
293 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:19pm |
Obama names Dennis Ross Mideast advisor
Published: 06.25.09, 23:02 / Israel News
Veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has been officially named US President Barack Obama's Middle East advisor.
Ross will be part of the National Security Council and will oversee the Middle East, the Persian Gulf and south Asia, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington)
This is what is called being "buried". Since Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke already head up these 2 portfolios, Ross who has been fired from The Iran desk is being stuck in some deep dark hole. And as I have said before, I don't particularly like Ross, but he was the best of a bad group.
294 | medaura18586 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:20pm |
re: #241 Cato the Elder
Hey!
I'm just sticking an article in the mail for Mr Medaura. Can you tell me your new apartment number? (Same building, right?)
I updated that on my Facebook after the first book you sent me almost got lost. Check it there. Many thanks in advance from Mr Medaur ;)
295 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:22pm |
re: #79 Right mind left
There is a PDF sample of the long form but also this article claims the intent 2010 is to use the short form, only there is heated debate about what will go into the form. I don't think it is decided quite yet:
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
The government wants to keep the "short form" as short as possible. It dropped the foster care category in favor of asking whether anyone in the household sometimes lives elsewhere — children away at college, for example.
That means there won't be a way to know whether the financial status of more than 500,000 children in foster care is improving, says William O'Hare, senior fellow at the Annie E. Casey Foundation's Kids Count program. "That's the big issue for us."
I'm a foster parent. The state already has excruciating details about me for the foster care license. How many rooms, how big the rooms are, whether I have window shade cords in child safe reels, if my meds are locked up. Not only did I fill out the forms the licenser checks.
It's also been a fight to keep those documents confidential, a recent move wanted to make licensing files public records among other things. Available even to the biological parents of the kids.
The state better know where all it's foster kids are.
It's a stupid waste of parent and ink on the census form.
296 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:23pm |
re: #281 wrenchwench
Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.
/
I suspect they are jealous that they no longer may partake in the exchange here at LGF, therefore they must attack. They made their bed.
297 | Gearhead Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:35pm |
re: #279 Occasional Reader
Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.
/
How do we solve a problem like that?
298 | SixDegrees Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:37pm |
re: #289 DaddyG
I thought her name was Appalacia - isn't that what Sanford said he was doing for two days? /
Doing Appalachia's tail?
299 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:17:50pm |
re: #286 doppelganglander
You knew Megan Marshack? (I admit, I had to look up her name). I remember that event vividly. Everyone laughed, but I suppose it was very traumatic for her.
Probably depends on how long it took her to notice. You could safely say the whole experience was probably hard on her.
300 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:09pm |
re: #277 SixDegrees
I'm waiting for Malkin's head to explode over this one...
i wait for that every day. Every. Day.
301 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:21pm |
re: #285 mardukhai
Interesting term, strata whores. In the men's movement, we always called them status whores.
Feminasties simply hated that term.
I got it from Walter. First time I ever saw it, either, but I'm soooooo stealing it.
Thanks Walter!
302 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:38pm |
re: #300 iceweasel
i wait for that every day. Every. Day.
Sounds like yours might go before hers? :-)
304 | debutaunt Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:18:58pm |
re: #112 CyanSnowHawk
Here's a workable form that follows the Constitutional requirement for enumeration.
1. How many American Citizens reside at this address? ___
That about covers it.
That's all I plan to tell 'em.
305 | irish rose Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:03pm |
306 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:10pm |
re: #262 iceweasel
Very true, and this point is not being made enough.
Also the fact that a politician almost by definition has to be someone who feeds on performance and feedback, like anyone else who makes their living on a stage (musicians, actors). They need the audience; being successful at what they do requires responding to and playing to an audience.
Politicans have affairs partly because their stagecraft is seduction, but also because they have an internal need for adulation.
DING!
One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.
307 | capitalist piglet Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:19:50pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
Here's one of the national tea party blogs praising her insanity.....
Congresswoman Bachmann Grills Geithner & Bernanke
That's insanity? I'm no fan of hers and I don't have time to watch the whole thing right now, but are you suggesting you'd rather she not question them?
Again with the hyperbole, KT. Insanity...really?
308 | John Neverbend Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:04pm |
re: #284 iceweasel
Turgid may not entirely be the right word. Nor interesting.
What would you suggest?
310 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:27pm |
re: #304 debutaunt
That's all I plan to tell 'em.
Oh my goodness, Bachmann got to you! You have become part of the mainstream conservative movement which are out of their minds, they are loonies. Heaven help us. Please come back.
//////
311 | Silvergirl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:36pm |
re: #279 Occasional Reader
Now that we know her name's "Maria", it should be easy to track her down in Buenos Aires.
/
Maria Belen Shapur
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
312 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:20:52pm |
re: #295 jcm
Releasing your personal information to anyone who asks is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Every year you hear of a couple of non-custodial parents kidnapping their kids from foster care. Not to mention the danger to you from an unhinged parent.
313 | SixDegrees Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:07pm |
re: #300 iceweasel
i wait for that every day. Every. Day.
She's been a huge supporter of Japanese internment during WWII for years. It'll be fascinating to see how she reconciles her position with Bachmann's.
I'm guessing she'll just ignore it, though.
314 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:25pm |
re: #313 SixDegrees
She's been a huge supporter of Japanese internment during WWII for years. It'll be fascinating to see how she reconciles her position with Bachmann's.
I'm guessing she'll just ignore it, though.
Did you read her book?
315 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:35pm |
re: #292 irish rose
... not here!
Heh. An apartment number by itself gives no information whatsoever. I already knew the rest.
There's a passage in Cryptonomicon where two characters need to prove to each other that they both know the exact location of the hidden treasure. So they agree to write down the last digits of the GPS coordinates on business cards and pass them to each other.
Same principle here. ;^)
316 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:53pm |
re: #306 jcm
DING!
One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.
Another McCain voter huh? /
317 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:21:59pm |
re: #309 buzzsawmonkey
Since Sandford is being discussed, I urge those who have not yet seen it to view Preston Sturges' superb film The Great McGinty, which details a man's rise from bum to governor. He prospers as long as he remains completely corrupt, but as soon as he does one honest thing (at the prompting of the wife he married to be more acceptable to the voters), his entire world collapses.
[tapping foot impatiently]
Well?
Aren't you going to give us the lowdown (downlow?) on how many characters in the film were slyly intended to be seen as gay?
318 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:00pm |
re: #215 buzzsawmonkey
If your form is well filled out, you shouldn't have any trouble.
"They said my form wasn't nearly filled out yet, and I told 'em I'd always been a little sunken-chested..." --Andy Griffith, "What it Was Was Football"
320 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:11pm |
re: #306 jcm
DING!
One way I've said it for a long time...
The last person I want to be President, is someone who wants to be President.
not coincidentally, that was one of Plato's points in the Republic. The only ones suited to rule are those who have no personal desire to rule, and do so only reluctantly.
321 | irish rose Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:26pm |
re: #281 wrenchwench
Since they don't have a life, they are just trying to find out what one looks like.
/
I left 'em a love note at my place.
322 | Eowyn2 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:22:56pm |
questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]
Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.
the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.
323 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:23:08pm |
re: #283 Walter L. Newton
And so are misogynist.
Um, it may not have occurred to you, but in my mind a strata/status whore can come in any imaginable sex or gender identity. In ancient Egypt, some of the biggest were the eunuchs.
325 | SixDegrees Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:23:35pm |
327 | lawhawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:28pm |
Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.
328 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:29pm |
Unrelated -
Is it wrong for me to say that I like the "Evony" ads on the right hand side of the page that seem to have replaced the "Muslima" ads?
Also - when I compare the ads, I have to ask: "What is the attraction of Jihad?" I mean, frustrated adolescent males in western society escape into computer games with well endowed computer generated princesses enticing them to play. It seems that frustrated Muslim males are suckered into terror camps with the enticement that they might "bag" 99 virgins dressed in bags.
/
329 | John Neverbend Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:35pm |
re: #311 Silvergirl
Maria Belen Shapur
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
Some articles have "Chapur". Here she is, allegedly.
330 | itellu3times Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:24:56pm |
re: #320 iceweasel
not coincidentally, that was one of Plato's points in the Republic. The only ones suited to rule are those who have no personal desire to rule, and do so only reluctantly.
You sure that wasn't HGTTG?
331 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:01pm |
re: #324 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, I believe that this film is relatively devoid of such coding. Preston Sturges' films tended to be rollickingly heterosexual.
That would be a great way to identify yourself on the census form.
332 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:15pm |
re: #309 buzzsawmonkey
That's a good one. I haven't seen a Sturges film I haven't liked.
333 | Eowyn2 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:42pm |
re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee
The worst job I ever had was working for the Census Bureau. In 1990 I had to go to the homes of people who didn't fill in or send in their forms and try to get them to do them. Not a fun job.
me too.
I really wanted the folks to fill them in. We lost a representative in congress because of 90 census.
334 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:25:57pm |
re: #327 lawhawk
Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.
Wow- Ted Turner. Now that's setting the bar pretty high?
335 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:01pm |
re: #308 John Neverbend
What would you suggest?
Well, not turgid, because not swollen nor tumescent. And I have a filthy mind, so I always hear that sense of turgid first.
336 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:19pm |
re: #326 taxfreekiller
just report you have 50 illegals living in your home and your safe
Only 50? Amateur!
337 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:30pm |
re: #274 KingKenrod
I think if you could get accurate data (probably impossible) you would find the politicians cheat less on their spouses than the average public. The reason why is that when a politician gets caught, there are two consequences that ordinary people don't suffer: career destruction and public humiliation. The costs of a politician getting caught are much higher, and the odds of getting caught are much greater as well.
Maybe. I'm not so sure.
There's the "I'm invincible" attitude that seems to develop with power. Much like a prolonged and intensified version of what adolescents believe about their lives.
"I'm governor of SC, dammit! No one's going to mess with me!"
Never mind that, as one commentator said today, SC gives its governor about as much power as a game warden. It's a psychology thang.
338 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:32pm |
re: #331 doppelganglander
That would be a great way to identify yourself on the census form.
I don't type this often, but: LOL.
339 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:47pm |
re: #323 Cato the Elder
Um, it may not have occurred to you, but in my mind a strata/status whore can come in any imaginable sex or gender identity. In ancient Egypt, some of the biggest were the eunuchs.
That was a side effect of castration.
/
340 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:26:59pm |
re: #307 capitalist piglet
That's insanity? I'm no fan of hers and I don't have time to watch the whole thing right now, but are you suggesting you'd rather she not question them?
Again with the hyperbole, KT. Insanity...really?
Someone should be questioning them. I'm just a little uncomfortable with the notion some people hold that if the government does something, we should give them our full trust because... they're the government.
342 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:39pm |
I will no longer attempt to download anything that's acrobat related. It crashes Firefox.
343 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:50pm |
re: #322 Eowyn2
questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.
From the document: Ancestry identifies the ethnic origins of the population. Federal agencies regard this information as essential for fulfilling many important needs. Ancestry is required to enforce provisions under the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based upon race, sex, religion, and national origin. More generally, these data are needed to measure the social and economic characteristics of ethnic groups and to tailor services to accommodate cultural diff erences.
Wow. Just wow.
344 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:53pm |
re: #338 Occasional Reader
I don't type this often, but: LOL.
Thanks. Just trying to tie all the frayed ends of our thread together.
345 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:53pm |
346 | horse Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:27:55pm |
re: #56 Ward Cleaver
The Japanese were detained because they looked different, and were a visible reminder of Pearl Harbor. You couldn't easily pick out a German-American on the street, so they weren't detained.
Around 11,000 German Americans were detained, with another 4,500 from Latin America. My grandfather, whose mother was from Munich, was questioned several times by the feds, and he was not allowed to join the military due to his heritage. He was lucky he was not associated in any way with the crazy Bund party. Coincidentally, the German immigrant grandfather of a coworker from Honduras was extradited to the USA from Honduras and held for several years in a camp. They never heard from him after he was arrested, but after the war he just showed back up home. He said they never questioned him, he was just bored to near death in the camp waiting for the war to get over so he could go home. This wasn't the scale of what happened to 120,000 Japanese Americans, but it did happen.
348 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:05pm |
re: #307 capitalist piglet
The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.
349 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:27pm |
re: #329 John Neverbend
Some articles have "Chapur". Here she is, allegedly.
Interesting.
Since she's not a 23 year-old cocktail waitress, I think the media have a little more trouble fitting this into the standard narrative for these things.
350 | John Neverbend Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:28:28pm |
re: #335 iceweasel
Well, not turgid, because not swollen nor tumescent. And I have a filthy mind, so I always hear that sense of turgid first.
I was using it in the sense of pompous. That's the impression I got from Sanford's emissions (no pun intended), rather than from the lady's responses.
351 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:29:28pm |
re: #341 buzzsawmonkey
If you liked O, Brother, Where Art Thou?, then you owe it to yourself to see Sullivan's Travels, from which not only the name of O, Brother...? was taken, but the scene of chain-gang convicts being permitted to watch a film.
I've seen it many times and own the dvd. It's one of my favorite movies.
352 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:30:10pm |
re: #343 DaddyG
From the document: Ancestry identifies the ethnic origins of the population. Federal agencies regard this information as essential for fulfilling many important needs. Ancestry is required to enforce provisions under the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based upon race, sex, religion, and national origin. More generally, these data are needed to measure the social and economic characteristics of ethnic groups and to tailor services to accommodate cultural diff erences.
Wow. Just wow.
translation: please tell us "what" you are so we know how much free stuff you will get.
353 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:30:32pm |
re: #349 Occasional Reader
Interesting.
Since she's not a 23 year-old cocktail waitress, I think the media have a little more trouble fitting this into the standard narrative for these things.
I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.
354 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:37pm |
This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.
355 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:51pm |
Anyone watching the events in Iran should think hard about what we have as rights that keep us from having an abusive government.
I was raised in a LLL Liberal household and it took me many years to understand the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson - the sure fire way to keep an oppressive government at bay is an armed populace.
That isn't the only element of staying free. But it is a critical one because it raises the stakes for any potential tyrant considerably.
Withholding data that the government can find through google maps, on the other hand, is pretty useless.
356 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:54pm |
re: #322 Eowyn2
questions for the 2010 census
[Link: 2010.census.gov...]Some of the questions on the census forms are intrusive.
People just need to remember that all they have to fill out is the number of people in the household.the rest is superflous for statistical reasons which any organization can use to their advantage.
Gee, why wouldn't anyone want ACORN to have access to that kind of information.
/
357 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:31:57pm |
re: #353 doppelganglander
I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.
Sounds like a classic case of letting the little head do the thinking when he should have been using the larger one up on his neck. tsk tsk tsk
358 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm |
re: #354 Jimmah
This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.
I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.
359 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm |
re: #354 Jimmah
This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.
Maybe she can flameout with a sex scandal.
360 | KingKenrod Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:32:38pm |
re: #337 Cato the Elder
Maybe. I'm not so sure.
There's the "I'm invincible" attitude that seems to develop with power. Much like a prolonged and intensified version of what adolescents believe about their lives.
"I'm governor of SC, dammit! No one's going to mess with me!"
Never mind that, as one commentator said today, SC gives its governor about as much power as a game warden. It's a psychology thang.
That's a good point. I made the mistake of thinking politicians remain rational once they gain power.
361 | horse Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:18pm |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
They are very close to becoming mainstream in Republican/conservative circles. Take a look at what goes on with Fox news everyday. It's just insanity. Same with the Tea Parties. You could even make an argument that this insanity is already mainstreamed.
You discredit yourself with that and the prior statement. Seriously, what you typed is nothing but ad hominem nonsense.
362 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:28pm |
re: #353 doppelganglander
I think it supports my theory that Sanford was more interested in love and companionship than just sex. South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.
I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.
363 | MJ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:29pm |
re: #293 Nevergiveup
Obama names Dennis Ross Mideast advisor
Published: 06.25.09, 23:02 / Israel News
Veteran diplomat Dennis Ross has been officially named US President Barack Obama's Middle East advisor.
Ross will be part of the National Security Council and will oversee the Middle East, the Persian Gulf and south Asia, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington)This is what is called being "buried". Since Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke already head up these 2 portfolios, Ross who has been fired from The Iran desk is being stuck in some deep dark hole. And as I have said before, I don't particularly like Ross, but he was the best of a bad group.
It could end up being better though since he'll be in the White House as opposed to State.
It's quite obvious by now that Hillary has been frozen out of the Middle East "peace process". Actually, she's been frozen out of nearly all foreign policy at this point in time. Might as well call her William Rodgers at this point.
Being in the WH will give Ross better access to Obama though Obama's main Middle East policy advisor isn't at the WH, yet. Rahsid Khalidi is Minister without Portfolio for this White House.
364 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:33:41pm |
re: #267 jwb7605
Why did Charles make great big post numbers? Does he think I'm getting senile?
/Only you know the answer to that.
365 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:34:20pm |
re: #358 doppelganglander
I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.
Wait, you were talking about Bachman, weren't you? In that case, you are probably right.
366 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:34:36pm |
re: #362 Occasional Reader
I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.
But, unlike Slick Willie, the Governors career in politics is more or less over.
367 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:35:11pm |
re: #362 Occasional Reader
This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity
... or the much worse offense (given his position), from a political perspective, of simply disappearing for five days.
369 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:35:45pm |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.
She is spouting old-line populist/conspiratorial/anti-government/nativist gibberish, some of which Ron Paul also spouts.
But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.
370 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:14pm |
re: #342 Dianna
I will no longer attempt to download anything that's acrobat related. It crashes Firefox.
Maybe try gymnastics instead?
371 | snowcrash Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:36pm |
re: #353 doppelganglander
Easy to fall in love when it is all mature conversation and time for romance. Not so easy when there are 4 small boys vying for your wives attention, demands on your time from job, friends, wife, homeowners problems etc. This Argentina thing is a fairy tale.
372 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:36:37pm |
re: #352 Desert Dog
translation: please tell us "what" you are so we know how much free stuff you will get.
More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:
These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.
375 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:38:32pm |
re: #366 Desert Dog
But, unlike Slick Willie, the Governors career in politics is more or less over.
Shoulda learnt his lesson and got the State Police to find his bimbos for him. /
376 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:38:47pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
(This was around the time we also learned, to our astonishment, that there's no such letter in the alphabet as "elemeno". My Very First Misheard Song Lyric.)
Me, I thought it was elemenopee. Like my Uncle Ulysses' wife, Aunt Penelope.
377 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:39:34pm |
re: #374 buzzsawmonkey
re: #363 MJ
Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.
Ross was working on brokering that deal at the time, and he will be saddled with the task of reviving it.
And probably with a few extra goodies that Obama thinks are fair?
378 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:39:39pm |
re: #369 Dianna
She is spouting old-line populist/conspiratorial/anti-government/nativist gibberish, some of which Ron Paul also spouts.
But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.
That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.
379 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:05pm |
re: #350 John Neverbend
I was using it in the sense of pompous. That's the impression I got from Sanford's emissions (no pun intended), rather than from the lady's responses.
oh, I knew how you meant it! Just teasing.
And kudos for not only working 'emissions' into your answer, but also a ref to 'the lady's responses'.
381 | Cato the Elder Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:29pm |
Well, off to the post office. I may even get on the road tonight!
382 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:40:54pm |
re: #375 DaddyG
Shoulda learnt his lesson and got the State Police to find his bimbos for him. /
Or, he should have visited a nearby Trailer Park with a fishing pole and a $50 bill to quote Jim Carville
383 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:22pm |
re: #378 Desert Dog
That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.
KT's narrative - not quite the right word, but I'll use it - is that the insane are taking over the asylum. This is on the order of an obsession, it's not a narrative, come to think of it.
Frankly, I think he's been looking at this too long, and is seeing Paulians under the bed.
384 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:26pm |
re: #369 Dianna
I'm sure there's some Larouche and Birch society stuff in there but it's pretty much in line with Ron Paul's position that the Federal reserve is an unconstitutional entity. That's why you see so many "end the Fed" signs at Tea Parties and Ron Paul rallies. One of his core policies is to end the fed and go back to the gold standard.
385 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:41pm |
re: #379 iceweasel
oh, I knew how you meant it! Just teasing.
And kudos for not only working 'emissions' into your answer, but also a ref to 'the lady's responses'.
If he only that had been post #1000, aka "The G Spot".
386 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:41:57pm |
Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?
It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.
Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.
Wow.
U.S. drone strike kills 45 in Pakistan
Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:52pm EDT
By Alamgir BitaniPESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - A U.S. drone killed at least 45 Pakistani Taliban militants on Tuesday when it struck after a funeral of an insurgent commander killed earlier in the day, Pakistani intelligence officials said.
U.S. ally Pakistan officially objects to the strikes by pilotless U.S. aircraft though the attack came as the Pakistani army is preparing an offensive against Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan on the Afghan border.
The military went on the offensive against Taliban fighters allied with Mehsud in the Swat Valley, northwest of Islamabad, in May and are in the final phase of that operation.
The next target is Mehsud.
"Three missiles were fired by drones as people were dispersing after offering funeral prayers for Niaz Wali," one intelligence official said referring to a Taliban commander who was one of six militants killed in an earlier drone attack.
Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.
387 | subsailor68 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:25pm |
re: #372 DaddyG
More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:
These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.
Hi DaddyG! My question for the bureaucrat who wrote that section is quite simple:
I see. Now would you please explain to me how that applies to the Constitution's definition of the census as the means to enumerate the population for the purpose of apportioning representatives to the House of Representatives?
388 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:29pm |
re: #353 doppelganglander
South Carolina is full of 23-year-old cocktail waitresses, but he went all the way to Argentina for this woman.
I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /
389 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:42:57pm |
re: #383 Dianna
is that the insane are taking over the asylum
And don't think we're trying to bad (NO!)
We're the lunatic fringe
that's rusted the hinge
on Uncle Sam's daughters & sons
-Alice Cooper
390 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:12pm |
re: #327 lawhawk
Bachmann's gone into overdrive with her nuttiness, rivaling that of Ted Turner.
People pushin', people shovin', and the girl's still tryin to look pretty....
391 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:18pm |
re: #385 Occasional Reader
If
heonly that had been post #1000, aka "The G Spot".
392 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:27pm |
re: #383 Dianna
I know what I'm talking about and it's all easily verifiable. Listen this is just turning into a squabble so I'll leave you guys to it.
Later.
393 | Gearhead Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:32pm |
re: #372 DaddyG
More goodies from the instructions of the 2010 Census:
These data are used, in conjunction practices of governmental subdivisions with the Public Health Service Act, to assist states and local agencies with developing health care and other services tailored to the language and cultural diversity of the foreign-born.
I'm waiting for the "Office of Anglo-Saxon Outreach" to open up any day now.
395 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:43:40pm |
re: #378 Desert Dog
That will not fit KT's narrative that Republicans are evil kooks as Lyndon was a Dem.
What does he care? He didn't vote for McCain, he's 'fucking happy now.'
396 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:12pm |
re: #386 karmic_inquisitor
Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?
It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.
Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.
Wow.
Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.
Yes, these new and improved missiles only hit bad guys and are much better than the old GWB ones
397 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:20pm |
re: #354 Jimmah
This woman is turning out to be a fantastic gift for the Democrats. I expect we'll be seeing a lot of her on TV over the next few years. Good luck with that, GOP.
If the left or progressives get to decide, it will be all bachmann all the time on the teevee.
399 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:35pm |
re: #371 snowcrash
Easy to fall in love when it is all mature conversation and time for romance. Not so easy when there are 4 small boys vying for your wives attention, demands on your time from job, friends, wife, homeowners problems etc. This Argentina thing is a fairy tale.
Spot on.
400 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:51pm |
re: #5 Charles
I'm a little confused - because I thought the hard right was supposed to be in favor of Japanese internment?
That's Michelle Malkin's stance, at least. Not sure about other pundits.
It's a tough call. In "total war" (which is what WWII was), extreme measures are often necessary. What FDR did in the 1940s was child's play compared to what Lincoln did in the 1860s (another era of "total war"), when he basically suspended the Constitution wholesale, and got rid of habeas corpus, which meant summary imprisonment and executions with no trial, etc.
Ex post facto armchair quarterbacking is a futile exercise. FDR thought there were Japanese spies and Japanese sympathizers among the Japanese community. But there was no way to tell who was who, and no time to go through a laborious screening process. So in the interest of national security, he locked up all Japanese in coastal regions (note: inland Japanese were not interned) because they could potentially aid in a Japanese invasion of the US homeland, which many thought was imminent (at least until Midway).
And it turns out FDR was right -- we now know there were (at least a few) Japanese agents intermingled with the general Japanese-American population, and there were many more sympathizers toward the Imperial Japanese government, who, although not officially "spies," were at great risk of aiding any potential future invasion when it happened. (Those who admitted to this, called "The No-No Boys" because they answered "No" to both questions on a loyalty-to-the-US oath) ended up at a special cap in Tule Lake for high-risk internees -- a camp which eventually became overcrowded, there were so many sympathizers.)
And those spies? They were caught in the net, interned, and were neutralized as a threat.
We look back now and think FDR was being racist, but at the time it would have seemed suicidal to let hundreds of thousands of potential enemy sympathizers living amongst the general population during a time of total war and during a time of great risk of invasion. The subsequent discovery that FDR's suspicions were to some degree confirmed only makes it harder to gainsay his decision.
I knew a lot of internees growing up, and the vast majority of them in fact did NOT have hard feelings about it. The older ones felt it was their patriotic duty to help the US war effort.
Remember, the US government has since not only officially apologized to all internees, but also paid them all substantial reparations (in a bill sponsored by Sen. Inouye). The financial losses suffered by Japanese-American families was not at the hands of the US government, but rather done by unscrupulous non-Japanese US citizens, who occupied and stole away Japanese property -- or more commonly bought it at greatly discounted prices -- while their owners were not around to intervene. That part of the story is more shameful than what the government itself did.
Personally, I would award each detainee a retroactive medal for bravery and duty in wartime, doing their part (albeit in a very unorthodox way) to aid the US war effort at the time.
But I personally do not fault FDR too much. There were in fact plans for Japanese spies in the US to help coordinate the invasion (of Long Beach harbor, specifically). The invasion never happened (thanks entirely to the incredible brilliance of the US Navy), but that doesn't mean it wasn't on the drawing table.
401 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:44:54pm |
re: #388 DaddyG
I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /
Hey, hey, now... I've seen plenty of lovely South Carolinian gals melting on the beach in North Myrtle Beach, who had all their teeth, plus lots of other delightful assets.
403 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:29pm |
re: #397 iceweasel
If the left or progressives get to decide, it will be all bachmann all the time on the teevee.
That's not fair....they will rotate Gov. Sanford in there as well, come on!
405 | KingKenrod Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:45:48pm |
Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.
407 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:46:50pm |
re: #388 DaddyG
I've lived in South Carolina. Perhaps he just has a full set of teeth fetish? /
I spent a few days in Lexington once and I swear, I never saw so many enormously fat people in all my life. But the young girls are often very cute and blond.
408 | doubter4444 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:46:50pm |
re: #27 ckb
I think it's a good example of how census data can be used in ways it was not intended to be used.
I hope it's completely irrelevant, but how can we be sure?
Please, please tell us you forgot the slashies on that comment!
409 | itellu3times Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:01pm |
re: #374 buzzsawmonkey
Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.
Thank you for the most depressing post of the day.
410 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:12pm |
re: #401 Occasional Reader
Hey, hey, now... I've seen plenty of lovely South Carolinian gals melting on the beach in North Myrtle Beach, who had all their teeth, plus lots of other delightful assets.
That's why you've got to marry them young in the South. /
(...digging myself deeper but I can't help it)
411 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:14pm |
/but Beck is a wacko, and the hard right is wacko, and Tea Parties have fringe elements! but, ok, mmmmmmmmm donuts........zzzzzzzzzzzz
412 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:18pm |
re: #402 DaddyG
Nice Flounce Killjoy.
It's part of the standard afternoon flounce. Not to be confused with the early evening flounce, which is more difficult to do, considering the lack of direct sunlight.
413 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:48:18pm |
re: #358 doppelganglander
I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.
I'm predicting he'll quietly serve out the rest of his term and fade away after that.
415 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:16pm |
Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.
But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.
Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?
417 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:42pm |
re: #400 zombie
Good, and informative post.
There was also the example of the Niihau Incident, to throw into the mix.
418 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:49:42pm |
re: #412 Walter L. Newton
It's part of the standard afternoon flounce. Not to be confused with the early evening flounce, which is more difficult to do, considering the lack of direct sunlight.
Hi Walter..How are you today?
Got a surprise for you...
419 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:05pm |
re: #369 Dianna
But, frankly, she sounds more like LaRouche than the crazy uncle.
I'll buy that when she starts talking about the 'Eurasian Land Bridge' and the evils of the British monarchy.
420 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:06pm |
re: #415 Nevergiveup
Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.
But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.
Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?
Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!
421 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:20pm |
422 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:29pm |
Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting
424 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:50:58pm |
re: #400 zombie
The real injustice, however, came from the confiscation of property.
It wasn't actually confiscated. Due process of sorts was involved. For example, a property could be declared as abandoned and put up for auction. Or if the mortgage went unpaid (and they did) houses were foreclosed on and the contents sold.
My Mom grew up in Watsonville, CA and there were many Japanese families who lost their farms there. Anyone familiar with the area may remember Okamura's market. the Okamura's lost their farm while interned. They still proudly put out the American flag everyday, however.
Anyways, as usual Zombie, you bring the rich complexity of the issue to the fore rather than allowing people to choose a cleanly adopted moral stance which distance and ignorance conspire to allow.
425 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:04pm |
426 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:41pm |
re: #415 Nevergiveup Check out the credits on those photos...
Congrats Zombie!
427 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:48pm |
re: #418 HoosierHoops
Hi Walter..How are you today?
Got a surprise for you...
Fine. I love surprises. What is it, what is it... ?
428 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:51:59pm |
re: #403 Desert Dog
That's not fair....they will rotate Gov. Sanford in there as well, come on!
Heh....to be fair, Sanford's face will only be one of many Republican faces shown, in a montage that talks about how republicans are family values hypocrites, many of whom screamed for Clinton to be impeached and/or railed against gay marriage...while somehow winding up having affairs, or soliciting boys over the internet, or busted in men's rooms soliciting anonymous sex...
The list is long and sordid. The ad has written itself (and probably already exists somewhere)
429 | snowcrash Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:19pm |
re: #413 ShanghaiEd
Ed, Sanfords calls that Clinton step down following Lewinski scandal will dog him. He is a slow bleed and should resign now.
430 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:36pm |
Bachmann says she's not implying, she's not suggesting, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, .... and I say that's bullshit. She's very deliberately milking the Derangement cow for all it's worth.
I'm not saying there may, or may not be, a problem with the Census.
I'm commenting on my sixth sense of where Bachmann's coming from.
"America has no native criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." -- Mark Twain
431 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:36pm |
re: #422 Nevergiveup
Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting
Link?
432 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:38pm |
re: #405 KingKenrod
Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.
Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///
433 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:42pm |
re: #415 Nevergiveup
Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.
But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.
Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?
Sounds like the school Obama's mom attended.
435 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:52:52pm |
re: #426 DaddyG
Check out the credits on those photos...
Congrats Zombie!
Congrates Zombie- I just noticed. Great job
438 | SixDegrees Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:14pm |
re: #386 karmic_inquisitor
Anyone paid any attention to Reuters lately?
It seems that our drone attacks are suddenly much more accurate since Obama took office. Such that they can inflict mass casualties yet not one of them being anything but Taliban militants.
Not even "alleged" militants - the drone munitions must have an on board multi-stage judicial process capability where the targets get arrested, booked, charged, tried and convicted prior to the impact of the ordinance.
Wow.
Bush was such an idiot - his drone attacks always killed wedding parties and left behind unexploded Russian artillery rounds.
Even stranger - a few days ago, a missile attack offed a bunch of bad guys. Yesterday, another missile attack killed a few more who were attending the funeral services of those killed in the first attack. And the strategy of targeting the funeral was apparently deliberate, done knowing that more bad guys would show up for it.
Compare and contrast this with the howling that would have commenced had this happened a year ago.
439 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:23pm |
re: #400 zombie
I am a fifth generation Californian (living in AZ). My Grandparents told me that a family down the block from them was interned. They lived in Alameda at the time. My Grandmother was certain the Japs (her word) would invade California. She told me after Pearl Harbor and the first couple battles in the Pacific, they did "invasion drills" and air raid drills. Their house was close to the Naval base. There was a sense of panic and fear in California in 1942-1943.
It is easy to judge the past from the present. I think most people agree it was an overreaction. But, at the time, it was something that normally decent and upright people felt they had to do. A different time than today, for sure
440 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:53:29pm |
442 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:54:41pm |
re: #415 Nevergiveup
Symbols of communism and marijuana and a prediction that "capitalism will fail" aren't exactly the sort of end-of-year messages you'd expect from an eighth grader.
But that's precisely what some students at the Black Pine Circle School, a private school in Berkeley, Calif., chose to include in their "Class of 2007" mosaic
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Black Pine Circle bills itself as a day school where students from kindergarten through eighth grade will be "maximally free of all the 'isms' which pervade most aspects of the world around them: from racism to sexism to the less obvious forms of discrimination," according to its Web site.
Why does the name "Berkeley" ring a bell or 2?
Because Zombie posted it earlier saying Fox was going to use her stuff for an article?
443 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:49pm |
444 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:52pm |
re: #427 Walter L. Newton
Fine. I love surprises. What is it, what is it... ?
I bought more money.. This time I wanted ironic money... I purchased a bunch of bank notes from the central bank of Kenya...And some Cayman island notes.. I'm going to mail you some....payback for the meteorite you sent me..
Thanks again
445 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:55:54pm |
re: #405 KingKenrod
Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.
I occasionally see them in DC.
446 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:56:16pm |
re: #428 iceweasel Yeah, they should have learned from Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Espouse values like running male prostitution rings and trolling for bimbos - then you can act without fear of political backlash. / (sort of)
447 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:56:35pm |
Flash: Michael Jackson taken to hospital with possible heart attack.
Wait - can't be true. It is on FoxNews.
448 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:02pm |
re: #399 doppelganglander
In the case of Gov. and Mrs. Sanford? No money worries..they are millionaires, and she is, in her own right.
449 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:05pm |
re: #407 doppelganglander
I spent a few days in Lexington once and I swear, I never saw so many enormously fat people in all my life. But the young girls are often very cute and blond.
You haven't been to Disneyland lately. I was there Monday and Tuesday (B-Day) and don't recall seeing so many rather large people in the crowd.
450 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:39pm |
re: #430 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Bachmann says she's not implying, she's not suggesting, she's not, she's not, she's not, she's not, .... and I say that's bullshit. She's very deliberately milking the Derangement cow for all it's worth.
I'm not saying there may, or may not be, a problem with the Census.
I'm commenting on my sixth sense of where Bachmann's coming from."America has no native criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." -- Mark Twain
The little red 'Danger! Alex Jones' light on the console of my bullshit detector started flashing as soon as I started watching that clip.
451 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:46pm |
re: #444 HoosierHoops
I bought more money.. This time I wanted ironic money... I purchased a bunch of bank notes from the central bank of Kenya...And some Cayman island notes.. I'm going to mail you some....payback for the meteorite you sent me..
Thanks again
Nice. Thanks, although I won't accept them as payback, just a gift, ok?
452 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:53pm |
re: #384 Killgore Trout
I'm sure there's some Larouche and Birch society stuff in there but it's pretty much in line with Ron Paul's position that the Federal reserve is an unconstitutional entity. That's why you see so many "end the Fed" signs at Tea Parties and Ron Paul rallies. One of his core policies is to end the fed and go back to the gold standard.
I didn't see but one such sign. I remember that Ringo the Gringo found a nest of them at one Tea Party, though. The "Constitution Party" had flyers about the evil of the Federal Reserve at their table (though the language was muted), but of course they are the new incarnation of the Birchers.
And, sorry, but it's an old idea. One which the Birchers seized upon back in the cold war, LaRouche constantly harks back to, and RP (both of 'em, come to think of it!) also uses. It's always been popular in certain circles - some of them Democrat, some of them simply lunatic. Heck, you can trace it right back to Andrew Jackson and the death of the first Bank of the United States.
The conflict is very old. Hamilton vs. Jefferson in the very first administration is a fine example.
453 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:57:59pm |
re: #432 Jimmah
Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///
So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.
454 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:58:03pm |
re: #415 Nevergiveup
That's the story zombie posted about earlier. They got some of the images from zombie's blog.
457 | Flyers1974 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:03pm |
re: #405 KingKenrod
Speaking of LaRouche, I saw three young LaRouche supporters fund raising outside a local post office on tax day. I was surprised to see them as I thought the LaRouche douche bags had died out a long time ago.
He must have been hounded for that last name when he was a kid. Maybe that explains things.
458 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:17pm |
re: #419 Jimmah
I'll buy that when she starts talking about the 'Eurasian Land Bridge' and the evils of the British monarchy.
She may have better sense than to do so on camera, but I bet if you got a couple drinks into her in a receptive environment, she might.
459 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:20pm |
re: #442 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Because Zombie posted it earlier saying Fox was going to use her stuff for an article?
I missed that, my comment was a play on the notorious liberal college located in Berkeley.
460 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:23pm |
re: #453 OldLineTexan
So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.
Why yes, indeed. That is a valid comparison, come to think of it ;-)
461 | wrenchwench Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:24pm |
462 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 1:59:44pm |
re: #446 DaddyG
Yeah, they should have learned from Barney Frank and Bill Clinton. Espouse values like running male prostitution rings and trolling for bimbos - then you can act without fear of political backlash. / (sort of)
hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.
I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.
"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.
463 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:00:14pm |
re: #422 Nevergiveup
Micheal Jackson rushed to hospital with "Cardiac Arrest"? I'll refrain from commenting
Please don't let him die on the same day as Farrah.
464 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:00:48pm |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
I know what I'm talking about and it's all easily verifiable. Listen this is just turning into a squabble so I'll leave you guys to it.
Later.
No, KT. You're obsessed, and I don't think it's healthy.
465 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:01:11pm |
re: #9 reloadingisnotahobby
Does anyone actually know what the Census form will ask?
# of people in the house hold is all there getting from me!
Which at present stands at............33.....oh! make that 37...
The cat just had a litter......
Check out the U.S. Census web site. Recently a "dry-run" form was sent to 3 million households. Among the information required to be provided: what kind of car you drive & its' age; all phone numbers, including cell phones; name and address of your employer; how long it takes you to get to work, AND the exact hour and minute you leave home to go to work; your income; and on and on. "Person #1" is required to provide all of the same information for every person living in the dwelling. Bachmann's point was/is that the information required to be supplied is of a very personal and private nature, and besides being none of the government's business, will be being collected, at Obamas's behest, and under the arm of the executive branch, by thousands of ACORN members - an organization which has something like 13 chapters under indictment for fraud. Who in their right mind wants ACORN in possession of their personal information? Bachmann inquired about what would happen if one refused to fill out all the questions, and was told the census-taker would return 6 times; if you still refused to provide all the required information, they would thsn go to your neighbors to find out whatever they could from them. If you absolutely refuse to provide all information, you can be fined $5000. She felt the information-gathering tactics in place for the census were similar to what was done during WWII to round up Japanese for internment camps.
Her specific point, and justified concern, is that minions of ACORN workers will be the first-line recipients of all of our personal information - not the least of which is our SS#s.
At the U.S. Census site, you can download the questionnaire and peruse it at your liesure. Just google: U.S. Census.
466 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:01:14pm |
re: #460 Jimmah
Why yes, indeed. That is a valid comparison, come to think of it ;-)
Yes, it is, isn't it?
I am going to invent a knife that cuts irony ... I rather need one.
469 | Randall Gross Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:05pm |
471 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:18pm |
re: #458 Dianna
She may have better sense than to do so on camera, but I bet if you got a couple drinks into her in a receptive environment, she might.
She doesn't have better sense than to say ANYTHING. She has demonstrated that fully already!
472 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:19pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.
"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.
People weren't "bloviating" that Clinton deserved to be impeached because he got a BJ from an Intern ( although the security implications of that are appalling ) but MORE SO because he LIED under oath and in front of the American People.
473 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:24pm |
re: #463 CyanSnowHawk
Please don't let him die on the same day as Farrah.
That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.
474 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:25pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
No, Barney was too busy denying the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae coming implosion.
476 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:02:59pm |
477 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:01pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.
"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.
What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....
478 | Russkilitlover Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:24pm |
re: #420 zombie
Hey, that's my story! Woo-hoo!
Congrats, zombie!
From the article - richness beyond belief:
"They wouldn't allow a swastika symbol," she said. "It shows where the school's standards lie. /blockquote>
Hey, class! Let's do a body count of nazism vs. communism and then talk about the school's wonderful "standards."
479 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:51pm |
480 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:03:53pm |
re: #473 DaddyG
That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.
Oooh, that's bad! But I still laughed.
481 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:04:09pm |
Obama has finally decided to set his foot down over a Congressional bill
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House of Representatives was poised to approve on Thursday a $550.4 billion defense authorization bill for fiscal 2010 that has drawn a veto threat from President Barack Obama because it contains money for fighter jets he does not want.
The bill also authorizes $130 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in the fiscal year that begins October 1.
482 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:06pm |
re: #475 Sharmuta
Wow
Hi Sharm! I wonder if the 80's and 90's were tough on him. Most musicians were doing serious coke and drugs then...
Well I hope he recovers...It could really change his life for the better
483 | avanti Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:18pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
hey, I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values.I'm not making a value judgement here, just an observation about how it will shake out.
"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.
Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.
484 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:05:29pm |
re: #449 CyanSnowHawk
You haven't been to Disneyland lately. I was there Monday and Tuesday (B-Day) and don't recall seeing so many rather large people in the crowd before.
PIMF
485 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:04pm |
re: #477 eschew_obfuscation
What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....
Because liberals rarely have any family values.
486 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:04pm |
re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obama has finally decided to set his foot down over a Congressional bill
It took a lot of political courage to do that......NOT
487 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:05pm |
re: #483 avanti
Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.
I bet your proud of that ha?
488 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:06pm |
re: #478 Russkilitlover
But they meant well. Its just that the obvious answer to make sure wealth is spread fairly is to make sure you have fewer people to divide it with.
/
489 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:06:30pm |
re: #432 Jimmah
Nah, they're going from strength to strength. What they did was kick out all the LINO's. They may be smaller in number than they used to be now, but they've attained 'purity', and are ready for victory!///
Oh, well done! I love it!
490 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:01pm |
re: #464 Dianna
No, KT. You're obsessed, and I don't think it's healthy.
The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/
491 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:08pm |
re: #483 avanti
Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.
And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?
492 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:10pm |
re: #479 unrealizedviewpoint
TMZ says paramedics performing CPR on way to hospital. Not a good sign if true.
Seattle has high numbers of people who know CPR and excellent EMS system, we only get about 30% survival if CPR is done.
493 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:49pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment
Nor did they think perjury deserved impeachment.
494 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:07:49pm |
re: #472 Nevergiveup
People weren't "bloviating" that Clinton deserved to be impeached because he got a BJ from an Intern ( although the security implications of that are appalling ) but MORE SO because he LIED under oath and in front of the American People.
Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"
Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.
Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.
PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.
495 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:12pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?
Prejury, not just lying. Prejury, a felony.
496 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:12pm |
re: #483 avanti
Exactly, Clinton's popularity was the highest of any post war's president's second term and that was after the BJ.
He was the BEST President we ever had....well, up until now....
/
498 | Dave the..... Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:08:41pm |
Just thought I'd do a check-in and read this. And I always liked Bachmann just because she made the left go so wacko.
499 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:07pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?
Actually while the charges involved lying to the grand jury, I believe that the enthusiasm for his impeachment came from the preceding years of triangulating, lying, mistreating women and other non-impeachable offenses that had piled up.
500 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:20pm |
re: #429 snowcrash
Ed, Sanfords calls that Clinton step down following Lewinski scandal will dog him. He is a slow bleed and should resign now.
You may be right. Ensign seemed to be weathering his storm well, but then he didn't have some of Sanford's baggage.
501 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:33pm |
re: #497 taxfreekiller
John F. Kerry
not an adulterer
not total hypocrisy
not wounded
not truthful
not a real CIA hat
not a traitor
not a liar
you forgot
NOT the President
502 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:52pm |
re: #473 DaddyG
That would be a bad trend for skinny white women who were popular in the 70's and 80s.
That is so bad. (Why am I laughing my ass off?)
503 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:09:58pm |
re: #463 CyanSnowHawk
Please don't let him
die on the same day asbe upstaged by Farrah.
504 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:07pm |
re: #453 OldLineTexan
So kind of like the advocacy of Republicans kicking out the socons that so many here espouse.
I wouldn't advocate any such thing, but I would so love it if they'd stop trying to tell me I can't be a Republican unless I am a socon.
505 | capitalist piglet Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:17pm |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.
I just got done with a task, and I'm on my way out the door. I've already made clear to you that I didn't have time to watch it. I can't make a judgment whether it's mainstream, acceptable, insane or anything else without seeing it.
I merely asked you why her questioning of them qualifies as "insanity".
There are a lot of people I would not choose to send to D.C....whether they're "insane" or not is another question, as I don't think disagreement with me, or with you, is evidence of insanity.
See you all this evening.
506 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:20pm |
re: #477 eschew_obfuscation
What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....
Using examples of people who don't adhere to their own code of conduct to besmirch that very code is a lovely demonization tactic. Alynski codified it.
507 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:38pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
Sorry but that's bullshit. But it's also irrelevant at the moment and really not worth any further discussion. But Clinton was quite a Misogynist wasn't he?
508 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:10:44pm |
re: #503 IslandLibertarian
Pull the plug at 1201am tomorrow, eh?
510 | avanti Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:18pm |
re: #491 Walter L. Newton
And let's revisit this again. Was he up for impeachment for a blow job or lying?
I know why, but most of the public ignored that, mostly because they suspected he'd lied about previous affairs.
511 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:32pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.
512 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:38pm |
re: #456 snowcrash
Nana, the wife is the Skil tool heiress?
Yup. And I fear that she will allow herself to turn into another Silda Spitzer, and the long line of politicians' wives.
513 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:57pm |
Mitt Romney's favorability rating on the rise
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s favorability rating has spiked since the 2008 presidential primary, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.
The Republican’s favorability rating has climbed to 40 percent — a 10-point increase over the past 16 months. The Pew poll found that 28 percent of Americans view him unfavorably and another 32 percent don’t know.
Just days before Romney bowed out of the race last February, following the Super Tuesday primaries, 30 percent rated him favorably and 44 percent said they held an unfavorable opinion of him.
514 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:11:57pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"
Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.
Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.
PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.
There we go, finally, it's out. Relative moralism. "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man." and that makes it what. Ok, wrong right.
You have spent this thread speaking to the lack of respect that the Congresswoman Bachmann apparently has for the law, yet, when the subject turns around to Clinton, and his lies, we get a real big...
"I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man."
In that case, using your logic, Bachmann is probably not the first person in the history of man that has suggested that the census may be invasive and treading on personal privacy.
Double standards rule, huh?
515 | legalpad Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:18pm |
re: #507 Nevergiveup
But Clinton was quite a Misogynist wasn't he?
Still is. Hit on my step-daughter at the Four Seasons.
516 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:20pm |
re: #499 eschew_obfuscation
Actually while the charges involved lying to the grand jury, I believe that the enthusiasm for his impeachment came from the preceding years of triangulating, lying, mistreating women and other non-impeachable offenses that had piled up.
So?
517 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:23pm |
re: #490 unrealizedviewpoint
The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/
Why? We're all masochists here. Some of us are just better at it than others.
518 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:40pm |
519 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:12:42pm |
re: #511 Jimmah
One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.
Jimmah hates politics.
520 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:25pm |
re: #506 DaddyG
Using examples of people who don't adhere to their own code of conduct to besmirch that very code is a lovely demonization tactic. Alynski codified it.
Yes he did.... use the enemy's code of ethics against him. When he fails to meet his own rules, crucify him as a hypocrite. That can only be done, IMHO, when one has no discernible values on which to base a turning of the tables.
521 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:33pm |
re: #462 iceweasel
"It's not the adultery, it's the hypocrisy"--seems to be the american voters response to this stuff now.
Of course, strictly speaking it's not necessarily "hypocrisy". (Weakness and hypocrisy are not the same thing.)
522 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:13:39pm |
re: #15 Silvergirl
Now that would be really hard right, wouldn't it?
Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?
524 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:01pm |
re: #519 unrealizedviewpoint
No, I'm not talking about people using their votes, I'm talking about calls for impeachment for no good reason.
526 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:37pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"
What are you talking about?
The only time I see that claim made is when I visit leftist websites. I followed the entire circus from start to finish and Clinton has no one to blame but himself.
528 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:48pm |
re: #477 eschew_obfuscation
What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....
What an extraordinarily odd--and telling-- statement on your part.
I said this:
"I make no excuses for the plethora of dem pols with sordid pasts, believe me.
But neither Frank nor Clinton spent the 90's insisting a blowjob deserved impeachment, or bloviating about family values"
In no way did I malign family values, or even express an opinion on them, much less "spit the phrase out as vitriol".
How strange that you think that calling out people for being hypocrites, when they publicly castigate others for falling short of 'family values', and eagerly engage in privately violating them--somehow makes ME the one who doesn't respect family values.
Sorry to disappoint your sterotypes and preconceptions. I have a problem with the hypocrisy, not the family values. So do most people.
529 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:14:50pm |
re: #500 ShanghaiEd
You may be right. Ensign seemed to be weathering his storm well, but then he didn't have some of Sanford's baggage.
Ensign appears sympathetic because his mistress's husband tried to blackmail him. And he's still more popular in Nevada than Harry Reid, which tells you more about Harry Reid than it does about Ensign.
531 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:19pm |
re: #525 taxfreekiller
Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?
Yes, yes she did.
533 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:21pm |
re: #525 taxfreekiller
Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?
Magic 8-ball says signs point to yes
534 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:21pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.
Sorry, but that particular part of your post doesn't make sense.
535 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:27pm |
re: #477 eschew_obfuscation
What is your problem with family values? You spit that out as vitriol....
Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.
536 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:31pm |
re: #523 buzzsawmonkey
Usually, men lie about getting them, not about not getting them. That alone makes Clinton's lie memorable.
Along with that also famous:
"I tried marijuana once. I did not inhale." -
Sure Bill Sure.
538 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:15:45pm |
re: #511 Jimmah
One thing I've always hated , regardless of whether its a democrat or republican president, is people trying to bring him down for less than good reason.
Ditto.
539 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:04pm |
re: #512 NY Nana
Your You Tube commentary is extremely entertaining.
540 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:18pm |
re: #516 Walter L. Newton
So?
I'm just saying that a form of moral justice prevailed in spite of the legal system.
542 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:49pm |
re: #535 Dianna
Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.
Who did that? Or was it just a joke?
543 | pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:59pm |
More printed info here for previously reported story
Michal Jackson has Cardiac Arrest
Not a good week for pop culture icons.
544 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:16:59pm |
re: #435 Nevergiveup
Congrates Zombie- I just noticed. Great job
I just updated the post itself to mention the Fox News pickup:
UPDATE: This story was picked up by Fox News on June 25:‘Capitalism Will Fail,’ Marijuana Leaf Part of California School Mosaic
It was also featured as the top story on the main Fox News site.
545 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:08pm |
re: #541 taxfreekiller
Most politicians lie.
Didn't say all.
546 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:23pm |
re: #525 taxfreekiller
Did John F. Kerry lie under oath before Congress about U.S. fighting men in Vietnam?
His own testimony damned him, he took an oath as an Officer in the United Sates Navy.
547 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:31pm |
re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /
548 | Annar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:41pm |
re: #155 Charles
Bachmann has staked out a position on the fringes. She misrepresents climate change data, promotes creationism, suggests that her opponents are disloyal to the US, and this is not the first time she's said the government might start putting people in camps:
Re-education camps are not needed; the current system is doing a wonderful job of indoctrination.
549 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:17:44pm |
re: #534 Occasional Reader
Sorry, but that particular part of your post doesn't make sense.
I'll rephrase. The details of whitewater all got shoved aside in the race to talk about blowjobs.
550 | Dave the..... Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:20pm |
NRO guys point out that the Morman is the only leading Republican with ony one woman.
551 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:37pm |
re: #490 unrealizedviewpoint
The more folks here point out Killgore's obsession, the worse it gets.
Maybe we need back off?
/
I know you're being sarcastic, but - unlike a lot of you - I'm actively concerned.
552 | Edouard Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:46pm |
OT - Michael Jackson just had a heart attack? Rushed to the hospital and "in bad shape" according to dad Joe Jackson - CPR in the ambulance (TMZ via Hotair)
554 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:18:52pm |
re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist
Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?
Of course, no true hard rightist would think such a thing.
555 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:10pm |
re: #548 Annar
Re-education camps are not needed; the current system is doing a wonderful job of indoctrination.
When the vast majority of graduates of that system are steeped in apathy, how can you tell?
556 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:12pm |
"Neda and Arash
habibi, June 25th 2009, 9:24 pm
Please listen to what Dr Arash Hejazi has to say. He cannot return to Iran for having said it.
For those who believe that supporting, apologising for or just carefully refraining from criticising the regime in Iran is somehow “good for Muslims”, the segment starting at 14:00 is particularly recommended."
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
557 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:23pm |
re: #492 jcm
Seattle has high numbers of people who know CPR and excellent EMS system, we only get about 30% survival if CPR is done.
Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.
558 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:19:28pm |
re: #542 doppelganglander
Who did that? Or was it just a joke?
P.J. was talking about his own family's values. It's in A Parliament of Whores.
559 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:04pm |
re: #137 Dianna
I know - it's one of the things that makes me tear my hair. It's also a sign that someone's losing their grip on political reality that they start trying to justify something that wasn't even justifiable at the time it was done.
Think about this: if Americans of Japanese descent were so very dangerous that they had to be locked up, how come we recruited their sons, husbands and brothers for our army?
And how come the 442nd performed so remarkably? You'd think if they were subversive types, they'd have limited themselves to a mere dozen Medals of Honor.
560 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:07pm |
re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee
Plus, if you have to do for any length of time, it'll wear you out.
561 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:21pm |
re: #549 iceweasel
I'll rephrase. The details of whitewater all got shoved aside in the race to talk about blowjobs.
Well some of the details about Whitewater got it's brains blown out in a Suburban Virgina National Park.
/ I think
562 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:25pm |
re: #528 iceweasel
...I have a problem with the hypocrisy, not the family values. So do most people.
And so do I. Your hypocrisy that you say "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man..." yet spend most of this thread slamming Bachmann as someone who is suggesting that people break the law in regards to filling out the census.
563 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:27pm |
re: #558 Dianna
P.J. was talking about his own family's values. It's in A Parliament of Whores.
Ah. Thank you.
564 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:33pm |
re: #454 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's the story zombie posted about earlier. They got some of the images from zombie's blog.
More than just that. They got the idea for the story from my post.
But, they paid me and credited me as the photographer, so I'm not complaining!
Also, the Fox version of the story was pretty decent - - better than I expected.
565 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:40pm |
re: #560 pingjockey
Plus, if you have to do for any length of time, it'll wear you out.
That's what SHE said!
566 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:42pm |
re: #528 iceweasel
How strange that you think that calling out people for being hypocrites, when they publicly castigate others for falling short of 'family values'
Again, you're conflating different ideas here.
A "hypocrite" is one who recites a principle that he/she doesn't actually believe. A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.
And while I'm not much into socons, I don't agree with your characterization of them as "publicly castigat[ing] others for falling short of "family values". Rather, what distinguishes them is supporting those values per se, as a political principle.
Careful here. The end result of the moral logic trail on which you're proceeding, is that it's better for a politician to have no principles, because that way he/she can't be a "hypocrite".
567 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:20:50pm |
re: #362 Occasional Reader
I agree. This does not, of course, excuse the infidelity, but it puts it in a very different light as compared to, say, Bubba's antics in the White House.
* * * *
Monica Lewinsky was half Latina, her father is from a Spanish speaking country.
So yes, Bill Clinton also had a half latina lover with whom he exchange "Leaves of Grass" deep poetry.
568 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:21:08pm |
re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist
And how come the 442nd performed so remarkably? You'd think if they were subversive types, they'd have limited themselves to a mere dozen Medals of Honor.
It must have been a cunning ploy.
///
569 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:21:18pm |
re: #539 doppelganglander
Your You Tube commentary is extremely entertaining.
Thanks! It seemed appropriate to the situation. ;)
571 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:06pm |
re: #521 Occasional Reader
Of course, strictly speaking it's not necessarily "hypocrisy". (Weakness and hypocrisy are not the same thing.)
Yes. But it is both hypocrisy, and weakness, when politicians who want to tell the rest of us what to do in our bedrooms, or who want to sermonise about how infidelity makes someone unsuitable for public office, wind up having affairs-- and not just having affairs, but damn well spectacularly having them.
573 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:28pm |
re: #469 Thanos
And it looks like they snagged at least three of your pics, is there copyright on your blog - if so I didn't see the notice?
They paid me, and asked my permission - - so it's OK.
In this instance, Fox was decent and played by the rules.
They've used my stuff in the past many times - - both acknowledged and unacknowledged -- so I think they realized they can't get away with ripping off my stuff any more.
574 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:41pm |
Must be the meds, I'm on here and have Glen Beck going on the tv.
575 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:44pm |
re: #374 buzzsawmonkey
re: #363 MJ
Dennis Ross's job is going to be to persuade Netanyahu to accept and implement the offer/concessions that Ehud Barak made to Arafat--which Arafat turned down.
Ross was working on brokering that deal at the time, and he will be saddled with the task of reviving it.
And the Palis will reject it as well; Obama will try to force the Israelis to give more. They won't, and Obama will blame Israel
576 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:49pm |
re: #535 Dianna
Think P.J. O'Rourke: Family values that include beating the stepkids and secret daytime drinking.
Yes, I'm familiar with that line of thought, but I believe it to be a disingenuous representation of the meaning of the term "family values" just to destroy it's common meaning. Most who use that term (other than O'Rourke) do not mean child abuse and irresponsible drunkenness. That there are some in families who do such things does not mean that the term "family values" includes them any more that 'American Values' would include rape, treason, theft.....
577 | Russkilitlover Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:22:59pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
Sure, Clinton lied under oath.
And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.
578 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:12pm |
re: #571 iceweasel
Yes. But it is both hypocrisy, and weakness, when politicians who want to tell the rest of us what to do in our bedrooms, or who want to sermonise about how infidelity makes someone unsuitable for public office, wind up having affairs-- and not just having affairs, but damn well spectacularly having them.
Or when caught, like Clinton, just lie about them.
579 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:43pm |
re: #573 zombie
They paid me, and asked my permission - - so it's OK.
In this instance, Fox was decent and played by the rules.
They've used my stuff in the past many times - - both acknowledged and unacknowledged -- so I think they realized they can't get away with ripping off my stuff any more.
Well they seem to like your stuff. They keep coming back.
580 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:23:55pm |
OT-[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
581 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:00pm |
re: #562 Walter L. Newton
And so do I. Your hypocrisy that you say "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man..." yet spend most of this thread slamming Bachmann as someone who is suggesting that people break the law in regards to filling out the census.
Your kilgore derangement syndrome is showing. I haven't "spent most of the thread" bashing Bachmann on the census.
And look up 'sarcasm'. That characterises my comment about blowjobs.
582 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:02pm |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
The fact that you can't see that she's spouting Paulian gibberish only proves my point that her insanity is becoming mainstream and acceptable.
The fact that there's no evidence of UFO landings only proves my point that the government is covering it all up.
583 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:08pm |
re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.
I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT Defibrillation study in the early 80's. We showed early defib gave enough of an advantage to be worthwhile. The AED, Automatic External Defibrillator now common was an out growth of that early work.
585 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:30pm |
re: #566 Occasional Reader
A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.
[Looking again at the label on this cough syrup]
586 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:32pm |
re: #577 Russkilitlover
And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.
Time for another liberal flounce off?
587 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:24:42pm |
re: #566 Occasional Reader
A "hypocrite" is one who recites a principle that he/she doesn't actually believe. A "family values" pol who has an affair may be demostrating "hypcrisy", but more likely is simply demostrating human frailty.
Not if he remains in office while calling for the sacking of another politician for the same thing. If he does that he's not only frail, but a hypocrite.
588 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:02pm |
re: #550 Dave the.....
NRO guys point out that the Morman is the only leading Republican with ony one woman.
"I am a polygamist who doesn't polig while you sir are a monogamist who doesn't monog." Reed Smoot - Utah Senator
...said to a rival senator known to have a mistress and was trying to deny Utah their seat based on the Mormon practice of polygamy.
589 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:03pm |
590 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:16pm |
What a day: Michael Jackson rushed to hospital in cardiac arrest.
We've just learned Michael Jackson was taken by ambulance to a hospital in Los Angeles ... and we're told it was cardiac arrest and that paramedics administered CPR in the ambulance.
He was picked up at his home around 20 minutes ago -- we're told his mother is on the way to visit him.
UPDATE: The 911 call came in at 12:21PM at his Holmby Hills home in L.A.
UPDATE: A Jackson family member tells TMZ Michael is in "really bad shape" and the brothers are headed to UCLA.
UPDATE: We just got off the phone with Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, who says "he is not doing well."
592 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:25:53pm |
re: #561 Nevergiveup
Well some of the details about Whitewater got it's brains blown out in a Suburban Virgina National Park.
/ I think
Umm, blew it's brains out.
593 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:11pm |
re: #489 Dianna
Oh, well done! I love it!
Except most times you see that formulation, it's without the sarc tags. From several different POV's:
RINOs
Socons
Neocons
Paleocons
etc.
Everyone wants to "ethnically cleanse" someone, but is convinced only the OTHER GUY is trying to do it.
594 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:27pm |
re: #514 Walter L. Newton
There we go, finally, it's out. Relative moralism. "I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man." and that makes it what. Ok, wrong right.
You have spent this thread speaking to the lack of respect that the Congresswoman Bachmann apparently has for the law, yet, when the subject turns around to Clinton, and his lies, we get a real big...
"I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man."
In that case, using your logic, Bachmann is probably not the first person in the history of man that has suggested that the census may be invasive and treading on personal privacy.
Double standards rule, huh?
Many, many updings, my friend. You so often are a voice of articulate sanity in the wilderness. :)
595 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:29pm |
re: #547 DaddyG
He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /
That never slowed Joseph Smith down!
596 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:36pm |
re: #587 Jimmah
Not if he remains in office while calling for the sacking of another politician for the same thing. If he does that he's not only frail, but a hypocrite.
Exactly,
Americans tolerate frailty in our politicians. We can even like it.
But not hypocrisy. Hence the GOPs plummeting numbers. Well, one reason!
597 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:26:43pm |
Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...
598 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:01pm |
re: #581 iceweasel
Your kilgore derangement syndrome is showing. I haven't "spent most of the thread" bashing Bachmann on the census.
And look up 'sarcasm'. That characterises my comment about blowjobs.
I was waiting for the "sarcasm" defense. Was it also satire, tomfoolery, a gag (pun intended) and guffgawing?
No, it was double standards on your part, you got caught and now you resort to the "sarcasm" excuse.
Doesn't fly with me, you're no Onion.
599 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:09pm |
re: #553 taxfreekiller
Only lies by Democrats prevents total darkness.
Democrats lie.
The sun comes up.Has to be a cause and effect.
It has been tested 20,000,000 or more time and it always works.
Sorry in the 6000 years since light and darkness were separated there have only been 2.1 million times to test that. /
600 | Truck Monkey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:16pm |
601 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:21pm |
re: #583 jcm
I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT Defibrillation study in the early 80's. We showed early defib gave enough of an advantage to be worthwhile. The AED, Automatic External Defibrillator now common was an out growth of that early work.
I used to be an EMT as well. I only did CPR once, and the patient didn't make it. We had medics on your unit, and they intubated him and gave him drugs.
AED (as I'm sure you know) only works on (I think) 2 types of irregular rhythms.
602 | Wendya Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:26pm |
re: #586 Walter L. Newton
Time for another liberal flounce off?
I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.
603 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:27:52pm |
re: #594 GGMac
Many, many updings, my friend. You so often are a voice of articulate sanity in the wilderness. :)
Thanks.
605 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:28:55pm |
re: #602 Wendya
I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.
I do take that back, you are correct. Sorry.
606 | debutaunt Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:03pm |
607 | Randall Gross Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:03pm |
re: #564 zombie
More than just that. They got the idea for the story from my post.
But, they paid me and credited me as the photographer, so I'm not complaining!
Also, the Fox version of the story was pretty decent - - better than I expected.
Ok cool, ignore my comment above then. Compensation is always good
608 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:06pm |
re: #601 Mad Al-Jaffee
2 types of irregular rhythms.
Oh, so now it's okay to make fun of us white people, is it?!
/
609 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:09pm |
re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah CPR is nothing like you see in the movies and on tv. It doesn't get the heart started again, it just keeps the blood and O2 flowing until more advanced care can be given.
I was an EMT enlisted in the first EMT defibrillation study in the early 80's. It improved the number enough to make it commonplace and spur the development of the AEDs.
610 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:45pm |
re: #577 Russkilitlover
And you have no problem with that? Just shrug it off, oh well, it was just about sex? Moral vacuousness, they name is iceweasel.
How strange. Why would you think I "have no problem with it"?
Mental confusion, thy name is... "Russkilitlover"
611 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:29:58pm |
re: #564 zombie
Reading your blog and then the Fox story is illustrative of how these reporters get their news. They quoted some of your commentary as policy (i.e. the school has a policy against swastikas vs. hammer and sicle).
612 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:11pm |
re: #546 jcm
His own testimony damned him, he took an oath as an Officer in the United Sates Navy.
Well, in a manner reminiscent of Jen-ghis Khan, I voted against that turd
613 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:16pm |
What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?
614 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:36pm |
re: #604 taxfreekiller
This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.
* * * *
ACORN's founder Wayne Rathke is whining about Glenn Beck's reporting on ACORN antics on his blog, claiming he's just an organizer of working families...
615 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:47pm |
re: #358 doppelganglander
I think he'll resign and retire from public life, and that will be the end of it.
it's happened to a few governors before him...
616 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:30:52pm |
re: #602 Wendya
I can't see iceweasel flouncing off. She's made of much sterner stuff.
Procol Harum?
617 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:06pm |
re: #604 taxfreekiller
This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.
Direct-TV? Dammit, I got the Dish Network implants, they may as well arrest me now.
618 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:10pm |
re: #538 iceweasel
Ditto.
You two must have been positively apoplectic during the Bush "regime", then.
619 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:18pm |
re: #576 eschew_obfuscation
I know, and P.J. knows, too. He was making an ironic observation.
Since the phrase also makes me cringe, I have always appreciated his take.
620 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:35pm |
re: #613 pingjockey
What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?
Now, now, The White House may be bad, but fraud and chicanery? Oh wait, you are talking about ACORN.....nevermind.
621 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:37pm |
More unconstructive sniping creeping into the thread, once again we find Walter L Newton right in the middle of it.
622 | Pupdawg Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:38pm |
Early this morning I caught the interview with Rep. Bachmann by Megan Kelly on Fox about this and this headline is a total hit piece on what she had to say. The article was written totally out of context to put her in the worst possible light. Since she is a Republican politician, I assume she is even more fair game for agenda driven coverage. Her comments were about ACORN, her intended refusal to comply, the upcoming census and the expanded questions we all must answer for the census by law. It was not really about the Japanese internment during WWII. She merely used that example to make the point that back in the 40's the census provided the information that was used to locate and then intern the Japanese within the US. For this upcoming census, they (Govt.) are asking even more personal questions in the census which some may see as an unnecessary intrusion in their personal lives.
ACORN's inclusion in this process in lieu of their political partisanship and illegal actions during the last election is troubling to some, possibly many citizens to be counted.
623 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:38pm |
624 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:47pm |
625 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:31:54pm |
re: #619 Dianna
I know, and P.J. knows, too. He was making an ironic observation.
Since the phrase also makes me cringe, I have always appreciated his take.
got it ;-) fair enough
626 | MJ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:05pm |
re: #575 Kosh's Shadow
And the Palis will reject it as well; Obama will try to force the Israelis to give more. They won't, and Obama will blame Israel
Bibi is following Glick's advice and is not seeing George Mitchell. He has Barak meeting him instead. I hope this becomes permanent. There's no reason for Bibi to meet with George Mitchell.
The important story today is in the Wall Street Journal where Elliot Abrams once again said that the Obama Administration is lying about what was previously agreed to re: the settlements:
Hillary Is Wrong About the Settlements
The U.S. and Israel reached a clear understanding about natural growth.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
627 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:13pm |
re: #614 alegrias
* * * *
ACORN's founder Wayne Rathke is whining about Glenn Beck's reporting on ACORN antics on his blog, claiming he's just an organizer of working families...
...of the world.
628 | debutaunt Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:16pm |
re: #310 Walter L. Newton
Oh my goodness, Bachmann got to you! You have become part of the mainstream conservative movement which are out of their minds, they are loonies. Heaven help us. Please come back.
//////
1 : a count of the population and a property evaluation in early Rome
2 : a usually complete enumeration of a population; specifically : a periodic governmental enumeration of population.
630 | Russkilitlover Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:52pm |
re: #610 iceweasel
How strange. Why would you think I "have no problem with it"?
Mental confusion, thy name is... "Russkilitlover"
Your flippant "Sure, Clinton lied under oath," was a dead give away.
631 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:32:54pm |
632 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:10pm |
re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist
it's happened to a few governors before him...
In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!
633 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:10pm |
re: #621 Jimmah
More unconstructive sniping creeping into the thread, once again we find Walter L Newton right in the middle of it.
Jealous?
634 | tokyobk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:23pm |
I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.
He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.
CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.
635 | Randall Gross Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:24pm |
What a cool job:
636 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:33:25pm |
re: #618 OldLineTexan
You two must have been positively apoplectic during the Bush "regime", then.
I was seriously pissed off at the the calls for Bush to be impeached on spurious grounds, yes.
638 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:00pm |
re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist
it's happened to a few governors before him...
I think Sanford would have the decency to actually go away, unlike Spitzer.
639 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:03pm |
640 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:11pm |
re: #633 Walter L. Newton
Ya got yer rifle sighted in okay Walter?
641 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:13pm |
re: #629 taxfreekiller
ACORN = THUG
THUG = ACORN
physics
* * * *
Joe Biden must have had ACORN in mind when he said today "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs"
You Betcha, Biden!
642 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:22pm |
643 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:40pm |
re: #598 Walter L. Newton
I was waiting for the "sarcasm" defense. Was it also satire, tomfoolery, a gag (pun intended) and guffgawing?
No, it was double standards on your part, you got caught and now you resort to the "sarcasm" excuse.
Doesn't fly with me, you're no Onion.
You're no OED, pal.
644 | midwestgak Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:44pm |
OT Michael Jackson sent to hospital. Possible heart attack.
645 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:50pm |
re: #595 Dianna
That never slowed Joseph Smith down!
He never had children with his other marriages. A couple people claimed to be descendents but genetic tests debunked it.
Brigham on the other hand - 47 kids - whoo boy was he a glutton for punishment.
646 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:34:57pm |
re: #5 Charles
Japanese internment was imposed by the Democratic Roosevelt Administration, not usually thought of as "hard right". In Roosevelt's defense, I should add that it was a response to disloyal behavior by some German-Americans during the First World War. The fear was that Japanese-Americans were sympathetic to their homeland, and would be a source of spies and saboteurs for the Empire of Japan.
Many Japanese-Americans fought heroically for the U.S. in combat, internment notwithstanding.
648 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:01pm |
re: #634 tokyobk
I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.
He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.
CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.
I really do hope he survives.
649 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:10pm |
re: #608 Occasional Reader
Oh, so now it's okay to make fun of us white people, is it?!
/
A bit whiny for someone who just got to be "a real boy", I think.
/
650 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:23pm |
re: #547 DaddyG
He's a safe bet. As a good Mormon with volunteer duties, tithing and lots of children he will never have enough sleep, energy, time alone or extra cash to cheat on his wife. I can attest to it. /
But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.
651 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:26pm |
re: #633 Walter L. Newton
Jealous?
I guess this blog wouldn't be as interesting without the obligatory stealth ( or not so stealth ) liberals trying to tweak the devils nose ha?
652 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:35:37pm |
653 | Russkilitlover Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:05pm |
654 | NY Nana Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:10pm |
655 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:21pm |
In Soviet Obamaland, Acorns roast you!
/
656 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:30pm |
re: #634 tokyobk
I met Michael Jackson 10 years ago and the the two things I could never forget ate the whiskers sticking through a layer of makeup and ho whe looked like he was anorexic.
He is a nutty guy but when I think of the handsome dervish of the Off The Wall, early Thriller or the kid with the fro fronting his older brothers, it makes me sad today.
CPR in the ambulance is never a good sign.
There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....
657 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:36:31pm |
re: #642 Jimmah
Comments like that just add more weight to my point.
Made your day, huh? Glad to oblige.
658 | tokyobk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:10pm |
re: #656 Desert Dog
I saw him on Soul Train right before Thriller was released and he moonwalked. No body believed me when I described it.
659 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:29pm |
re: #641 alegrias
* * * *
Joe Biden must have had ACORN in mind when he said today "We're creating jobs, we're saving jobs"You Betcha, Biden!
BING - FUCKIN' - O!
Razzle-Dazzle!
oooooo, lookit' Micheles arms.............
WAKE UP AMERICA!
661 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:32pm |
re: #657 Walter L. Newton
Made your day, huh? Glad to oblige.
It takes so little to make their days?
662 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:33pm |
re: #649 OldLineTexan
A bit whiny for someone who just got to be "a real boy", I think.
/
Dammit, it's not a "purse", it's a "European Carry-all"!
663 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:36pm |
re: #636 Jimmah
I was seriously pissed off at the the calls for Bush to be impeached on spurious grounds, yes.
There is nothing new under the sun, no, not one thing.
Bush couldn't eat breakfast to the satisfaction of many vocal opponents with plenty of airtime. His real faults were buried under the barrage.
664 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:43pm |
re: #632 Desert Dog
In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!
* * *
Sanford was a strong supporter of your Senator John McCain back in 1999 and 2000, during McCain (also a notorious adulterer at the end of his first marriage)'s first presidential primary campaigns.
I'm sure hanging with the testosteroney big boys and tasting the life of private planes & privilege whetted Sanford's appetite for power--and it's PERKS.
665 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:37:51pm |
re: #611 DaddyG
Reading your blog and then the Fox story is illustrative of how these reporters get their news. They quoted some of your commentary as policy (i.e. the school has a policy against swastikas vs. hammer and sicle).
I know, it was kind of interesting -- much of the "narrative" of my post guided the narrative of the news article.
Though this reporter should be congratulated on doing some actual original reporting too, tracking down former students and so on -- much better than what most reporters do (i.e. just copy blog posts wholesale).
666 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:12pm |
re: #651 Nevergiveup
I guess this blog wouldn't be as interesting without the obligatory stealth ( or not so stealth ) liberals trying to tweak the devils nose ha?
Stealth? No, not in a long shot. Obvious, yes, stealth, no. More like as evident as the nose on Jimmy Duranty's face.
667 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:12pm |
re: #662 Occasional Reader
Dammit, it's not a "purse", it's a "European Carry-all"!
You can call your murse a messenger bag if you like. I don't mind, really.
669 | pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:26pm |
Latest update on MJ:
UPDATE #2 - An X17 photographer on the scene at the hospital tells us: "There were more than 10 bodyguards or members of Michael's entourage that arrived at the hospital just after 1 pm, after following the ambulance there. They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."
670 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:29pm |
re: #632 Desert Dog
In my time here in AZ, I have seen one Governor resign, another impeached and then earlier this year, one jump off the train right before it flew off the cliff.....no sex scandals though. The politicians here are just crooks, no fun in that!
Either Illinois or Arizona should claim "My Governor Made This Liscense Plate" as their state motto.
671 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:35pm |
Becks going over the 28 page supplement to the census. Haven't heard any of the questions yet, wait, it sounds like a damn health survey? And a buncha other shit, how many times have been married, how many minutes to get to work? WTF? What a bunch of crap.
672 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:50pm |
673 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:53pm |
re: #658 tokyobk
I saw him on Soul Train right before Thriller was released and he moonwalked. No body believed me when I described it.
I grew up listening to the Jackson 5. I played "I'll Be There" and "Rockin Robin" until the lp wore out. He has a tremendous amount of talent. No doubt about that.
674 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:38:56pm |
re: #647 taxfreekiller
UCS
un-constructive snipingnot
non-constructive sniping
NCS
This particular form of sniping is all Kentucky Windage.
675 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:08pm |
re: #666 Walter L. Newton
Stealth? No, not in a long shot. Obvious, yes, stealth, no. More like as evident as the nose on Jimmy Duranty's face.
Well some of them swear their conservatives, but are just trying to keep us "Honest".
676 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:25pm |
re: #637 Sharmuta
I miss the Bush Regime
I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.
Any day now I'm sure.
678 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:36pm |
re: #652 Walter L. Newton
I thought you were leaving. GIT :)
Oh Walter, I just can't quit you! :)
I just now saw all these little comments you've been leaving me that I missed. It must have been bothering you that you got no attention til now.
Never fear. I'll be back. And you really shouldn't take it so personally when you're ignored. Sometimes it's not on purpose, you know? Life, etc.
Later, OED.
679 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:41pm |
re: #461 wrenchwench
very deliberately milking the Derangement cow
That could rotate.
very derangedly cowing the deliberate milkers?
/btw, thank you ... :D
680 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:44pm |
re: #650 ShanghaiEd
But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.
ROTFLMAO
681 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39:58pm |
re: #59 Dianna
I should add that internment is completely legal for enemy aliens who are in the U.S. when war breaks out. Extending it to U.S. citizens was the controversial policy.
682 | Silvergirl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:07pm |
re: #522 SanFranciscoZionist
Is Michelle Malkin really hard right?
She certainly has her 90 degree angle moments.
683 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:25pm |
re: #675 Nevergiveup
Well some of them swear their conservatives, but are just trying to keep us "Honest".
Ok, enough of this mutual admiration society stuff, they're gonna start talking.
684 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:27pm |
re: #677 taxfreekiller
He and Kerry are traitorous sons a bitches.
685 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:37pm |
re: #673 Desert Dog
I played "I'll Be There" and "Rockin Robin"
Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)
686 | Russkilitlover Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:41pm |
re: #669 pianobuff
Latest update on MJ:
UPDATE #2 - An X17 photographer on the scene at the hospital tells us: "There were more than 10 bodyguards or members of Michael's entourage that arrived at the hospital just after 1 pm, after following the ambulance there. They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."
There goes their meal ticket.
I blame a lot of the people around him (and other celeb hangers-ons) for much of the destruction they inflict on their "host."
687 | tokyobk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:43pm |
Jimmy Carter drives me to near apoplexy too but he is much easier to take in his books where he pretends to be normal.
688 | midwestgak Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:52pm |
re: #644 midwestgak
OT Michael Jackson sent to hospital. Possible heart attack.
Or just another marketing ploy. He is releasing some new album soon.
689 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:54pm |
re: #650 ShanghaiEd
But the question is, does Mitt have a hungry heart? Will he lay down his money, play his part? And so forth.
His father was a public servant towards the end of his life. I suspect Mitt genuinely sees that as a good way to pay back the country for his good fortune. We American Mormons tend to be hopelessly patriotic too.
690 | haakondahl Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:40:58pm |
re: #676 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.
Any day now I'm sure.
I was going to go to the bathroom, but Chimpy took my potty rights away.
691 | doubter4444 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:06pm |
re: #174 WinterCat
That was very true. America had been attacked and people were frightened. It was a terrible thing. Earl Warren, who eventually became the Chief Justice, and was California's Atty General and then Governor -- and a very liberal man -- was highly supportive of internment at the time. In later years he came to deeply regret this position. Times of war are different from times of peace and hindsight is 20/20.
Yeah, but, aren't we supposed to, you know, learn from history, from our mistakes and try to change?
Warren's support of internment was despicable and he regretted it. I think the take away here, just might be that it is something we need to be very very careful doing or even thinking of in the future.
As for all the comments about the "intrusive" nature of the census:
Not to rain on the parade by actually thinking about it for a moment, but just maybe, perhaps, there is a at least semi-valid reason for the questions?
100 years ago, the number and age of household members was practically all that was needed, city's and counties did not disburse funds in the way they do now, in the amounts they do now, and never had any idea of the needs of a "modern' society or community.
So for the toilet question, it's easy to make fun of but the real reason is pretty serious: from the amount of toilets and baths in a house means a certain amount of water used can be extrapolated, therefore given honest data, the need for water to communities and city's can be gaged, and adjusted. Dams or aqueducts may need to be built because of it, and so on.
The size of houses reflect the amount of electricity needed and therefore the power grids be be adjusted accordingly, and so on.
It's the only time that a concerted effort goes out to find how the country is changing, not only demographically, but physically. Data comes in from local utilities yes, but with the census the data can be collated and better understood, and the new information used to make things better for everyone.
I'm kind of in awe of the effort it takes, really and I think, (nerd that I guess that I am) it's a pretty interesting undertaking.
All this in addition to the historical aspect to the thing.... looking back at census results from 150, 100, or pre-war gives a historian valuable insight to the way the country was made up, and I kind of think the I'm doing my part in giving future historians information about how we lived and changed over the course of my life.
That so many want to lie, and ignore for reasons that border on anti-government conspiracy theory's like Bachmann, a elected Representative, for god's sake, does not mean that information won't be gleaned, it'll be just the opposite, the takeaway will be that we were in a fragile period of intense distrust of the government and suspicious to the point of ludicrousness.
It's the damn census, it's not a plot to take over the country.
Rant over, thanks.
692 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:17pm |
re: #676 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm still waiting for him to declare martial law and announce he and Cheney are President and VP for life.
Any day now I'm sure.
They're too busy plotting invading Iran to steal the oil for their business buddies. ///
693 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:24pm |
re: #669 pianobuff
They all got out of the SUVs in a panic and Michael was wheeled into the emergency room on a stretcher. There was definitely a sense of urgency and everyone looked worried."
.........a report that MJ was seen slipping out the back door and into a waiting limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison has not been confirmed..........
695 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:32pm |
re: #687 tokyobk
You read one of his books? You are a brave lizard.
696 | CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:43pm |
re: #656 Desert Dog
There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....
To quote the Wizard from Conan the Barbarian "Wealth can be wonderful, but you know, success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary."
697 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:41:46pm |
re: #678 iceweasel
Oh Walter, I just can't quit you! :)
I just now saw all these little comments you've been leaving me that I missed. It must have been bothering you that you got no attention til now.
Never fear. I'll be back. And you really shouldn't take it so personally when you're ignored. Sometimes it's not on purpose, you know? Life, etc.
Later, OED.
Well, last night you told me I was special. Later :)
698 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:06pm |
re: #685 Occasional Reader
Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)
Well, it could have been worse, you could have called her "Just Lays There Robin"
699 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:09pm |
re: #685 Occasional Reader
Reminds me of this young lady I knew in law school. (She HATED it when I called her that.)
I can tell you from personal experience, Robins universally hate that. Also all Batman jokes.
700 | pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:42:51pm |
re: #689 DaddyG
His father was a public servant towards the end of his life. I suspect Mitt genuinely sees that as a good way to pay back the country for his good fortune. We American Mormons tend to be hopelessly patriotic too.
At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)
701 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:01pm |
re: #656 Desert Dog
There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....
I tend to go with the obvious explanation - his big wrong turn in life was the bad plastic surgery.
702 | tokyobk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:18pm |
re: #695 pingjockey
Standing up in a bookstore and I refused to buy it.
His latest on the ME where he explains how the word Apartheid was misunderstood in his last title.
But then I see him on TV hugging a terrorist talking kumbaya and I realize he is like Arafat in the forkedness of his tongue and/or twiness of his heart.
703 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:34pm |
re: #694 taxfreekiller
Terrible state, remember Henry Jackson? The donks would toss him out of the party now.
704 | Nevergiveup Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:43:40pm |
Venezuela, US move to restore expelled ambassadors
Published: 06.26.09, 00:11 / Israel News
Venezuela and the United States said Wednesday they will restore their ambassadors more than nine months after President Hugo Chavez expelled the US envoy in his final diplomatic bout with the Bush administration.
But Chavez signaled he still has major differences with Washington, accusing the US of having a hand in recent protests in Iran and saying he hopes President Barack Obama will lead the United States on a new path. (AP)
Sure because they are actually one of the ONLY countries in the world supporting Iran. I mean so why not?
705 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:19pm |
re: #696 CyanSnowHawk
To quote the Wizard from Conan the Barbarian "Wealth can be wonderful, but you know, success can test one's mettle as surely as the strongest adversary."
More so -- it's FAR more subtle.
707 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:43pm |
re: #701 Jimmah
I tend to go with the obvious explanation - his big wrong turn in life was the bad plastic surgery.
I'd say it's his low self esteem and other mental problems.....he was not a bad looking guy before he transformed himself from a black guy to a white skelator freak. There is some serious mental issues going on in his head. For someone to mutilate himself to the degree he did....ugh.....
708 | Truck Monkey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:46pm |
709 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:56pm |
re: #700 pianobuff
At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)
Hmmm... but he served a mission overseas. Where will his loyalty lie? /
710 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:44:59pm |
Michelle Bachmann is on LIVE
Warning about National Energy Tax (Cap & Trade) legislation
LARGEST TAX HIKE IN HISTORY being voted on
711 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:33pm |
re: #691 doubter4444
Not to rain on the parade by actually thinking about it for a moment,
I quit reading right after that bit of snot. Just thought you might like to know.
712 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:33pm |
re: #693 IslandLibertarian
May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...
713 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:36pm |
re: #689 DaddyG
Mormons are good people.
'been getting a bad rap for too long now.
/but what about the gold plates?what about global warming?
714 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:44pm |
re: #700 pianobuff
At least we know he was Born in the USA. (runs for cover)
...and educated in Detroit. Could be a Wahabbist. /
I could go on like this all night.
715 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:45:59pm |
re: #656 Desert Dog
There was a time, before he became the Freak of today, that he was the actual King of Pop. He was damn good....too bad he got so strange.....
And his dance moves absolutely violated the laws of physics. An amazing performer.
716 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:07pm |
re: #708 Truck Monkey
Henry Jackson=scoop. Senator from my state. Hell, the donks would throw out JFK for cutting taxes!
717 | Dreader1962 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:09pm |
re: #712 unrealizedviewpoint
May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...
Apparently he did pass away.
719 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:21pm |
re: #695 pingjockey
You read one of his books? You are a brave lizard.
It's just hanging on the hook in the outhouse, begging for attention.
720 | Truck Monkey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:34pm |
re: #707 Desert Dog
re: #701 Jimmah
I'd say it's his low self esteem and other mental problems.....he was not a bad looking guy before he transformed himself from a black guy to a white skelator freak. There is some serious mental issues going on in his head. For someone to mutilate himself to the degree he did....ugh.....
I feel sorry for him. He was never allowed to be a child. From the age of 4 on up he was his familys ticket out of Gary IN, and MJ paid a very very heavy price.
721 | tokyobk Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:46:38pm |
re: #706 pingjockey
Yes, I read the whole thing there in two "standings."
OOT but there is a rumor in LA that they are waiting for the whole Jackson family to arrive before making a bad announcement.
723 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:02pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
In discussing the Clinton impeachment debacle, I heard Henry Hyde say, about Ken Starr, "All he gave us was the sex."
The real Clinton scandal was the Chinese money that flooded the Democratic Party, thanks to the Clintons. The Asian witnesses all fled the jurisdiction before they could be subpoenaed. The venality of the Clinton Administration was epic.
724 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:09pm |
725 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:12pm |
re: #704 Nevergiveup
Venezuela, US move to restore expelled ambassadors
Published: 06.26.09, 00:11 / Israel News
Venezuela and the United States said Wednesday they will restore their ambassadors more than nine months after President Hugo Chavez expelled the US envoy in his final diplomatic bout with the Bush administration.But Chavez signaled he still has major differences with Washington, accusing the US of having a hand in recent protests in Iran and saying he hopes President Barack Obama will lead the United States on a new path. (AP)
Sure because they are actually one of the ONLY countries in the world supporting Iran. I mean so why not?
Do the Dodgers still play in Chavez Raving?
/*running like hell before a fan nails me*
726 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:25pm |
re: #719 OldLineTexan
Mwahaha! That is about all it would be good for. BTW, the census doesn't ask if you are a US citizen.
727 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:26pm |
re: #714 DaddyG
...and educated in Detroit. Could be a Wahabbist. /
I could go on like this all night.
* * *
Didn't you just say Mormon fathers busy with families don't have time to waste flirting by email with strangers abroad on LGF?
728 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:26pm |
re: #719 OldLineTexan
It's just hanging on the hook in the outhouse, begging for attention.
It sounds like you intend to smear his work.
729 | Dreader1962 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:47:50pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
I would say unconfirmed - CNN still has 'Hospitalized'.
730 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:18pm |
re: #699 doppelganglander
I can tell you from personal experience, Robins universally hate that. Also all Batman jokes.
They're not big on "red breast" cracks, either.
/
731 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:39pm |
OT_[Link: www.tmz.com...]
D'oh... Michael Jackson dead
732 | Truck Monkey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:42pm |
re: #716 pingjockey
re: #708 Truck Monkey
Henry Jackson=scoop. Senator from my state. Hell, the donks would throw out JFK for cutting taxes!
My bad. I realized my mistake as I hit post. I really do miss the 'old school' responsible democrats. My grandparents would be spinning in their graves if they found out who is running their party today.
733 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:49pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson's dead
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
wow
I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...
734 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:49pm |
re: #721 tokyobk
That sucks. He was an amazing performer. I am a rock and roll/Country western type, but the man could bring it. It was sad when all that talent went around the bend.
735 | midwestgak Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:48:55pm |
re: #710 alegrias
Michelle Bachmann is on LIVE
Warning about National Energy Tax (Cap & Trade) legislation
LARGEST TAX HIKE IN HISTORY being voted on
Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.
Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.
737 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:16pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson's dead
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
wow
Wow indeed. TMZ scoops everyone.. Not on other sites yet.
738 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:17pm |
re: #726 pingjockey
Mwahaha! That is about all it would be good for. BTW, the census doesn't ask if you are a US citizen.
That would be ... counter-productive.
739 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:17pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson's dead
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
wow
* * * *
This just ain't Iranian protesters' day either.
740 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:47pm |
re: #713 IslandLibertarian
Mormons are good people.
'been getting a bad rap for too long now./
but what about the gold plates?what about global warming?
I moderated a Mormon apologetics site for some time. I can tell you some doozies that the critics dream up.
Thanks for the empathy. We can be peculiar but we're mostly harmless.
Oddly enough Mitt wasn't my first choice in the primaries even though my family thought I would automatically gravitate to him. Huckabees economic platform was attractive until he started to open his mouth on other issues and topped it off with a gratuitous slam against Mitt for his religion. Oh well- lets do it again in 2010!
741 | Dreader1962 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:48pm |
re: #737 zombie
I would say probable - other sites are probably confirming sources.
742 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:49:56pm |
re: #724 Desert Dog
yes, it's up on Drudge.
He was not that old...wow
Got to imagine the strain to his body with everything he's done to it
744 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:07pm |
re: #733 HoosierHoops
I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...
I'm thinking about those poor kids of his.
745 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:23pm |
re: #735 midwestgak
Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.
Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.
If the "ban domestic drilling" parts are in it, we are well and totally screwed, especially in Houston.
That'll take the small bit of recovery out of the economy.
746 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:39pm |
re: #732 Truck Monkey
Oh yeah. My moms parents, dyed in the wool FDR types would have a fit it they saw the way the donks have been going the last 10 years or so.
747 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:46pm |
re: #739 alegrias
* * * *
This just ain't Iranian protesters' day either.
Like Anna Nicole all over again.
748 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:50:59pm |
re: #604 taxfreekiller
This year, ACORN does the census.
Next year, ACORN does the Direct TV re-runs of Obama's speeches in your optic nerve.
And we can have o-speech parties - like tupperware parties - and sit around oooing and ahhing over the One - and we can invite Queen Elizabeth and her barry-speech iPod, and we will sing songs of the flowery unicorns that fart rainbows - and it will be so loverly, *sigh*, *sigh*
//////
749 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:05pm |
re: #735 midwestgak
Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.
Actually, if anything I'd say this would have downward pressure on oil prices. Demand for oil will fall, as the effective cost of using it is artifically jacked up.
750 | Dreader1962 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:35pm |
re: #740 DaddyG
I moderated a Mormon apologetics site for some time. I can tell you some doozies that the critics dream up.
Thanks for the empathy. We can be peculiar but we're mostly harmless.
Oddly enough Mitt wasn't my first choice in the primaries even though my family thought I would automatically gravitate to him. Huckabees economic platform was attractive until he started to open his mouth on other issues and topped it off with a gratuitous slam against Mitt for his religion. Oh well- lets do it again in 2010!
I became a Romney supporter when I saw him trounce McCain in the debates. He maintained his dignity under personal attack and coherently address the questions instead of relying on cheap shots.
751 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:45pm |
re: #736 pink freud
Drudge siren: Michael Jackson dies.
What a tragic figure. A man whose mind was destroyed by fame.
752 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:53pm |
re: #733 HoosierHoops
I'm sad for him and his family..
Nobody gets out of here alive...
The remark about MJ being seen getting into a limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison? It's got a weird resonance.
753 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:51:56pm |
re: #727 alegrias
* * *
Didn't you just say Mormon fathers busy with families don't have time to waste flirting by email with strangers abroad on LGF?
I resemble that remark. More like Mormon fathers who have wives tough enough to raise 7 children aren't stupid enough to be cheating on them. ;-)
754 | doubter4444 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:14pm |
re: #494 iceweasel
Yes, I'm quite aware that the standard excuse for the witchhunt now is " He lied under oath!"
Unfortunately, that rationale forgets that the Lewisnsky scandal was only dug up AFTER years of grubbing around trying to make a big deal out of TravelGate, WhiteWater, god knows what else didn't pan out.
Sure, Clinton lied under oath. After years of people trying to dig up shit on him for every little thing. He lied about a blowjob. Shock, horror. I'm sure THAT has never happened before in the history of man.
PS: BTW, they may well have been something odd about the real estate deals. But we'll never know now, because we all had to know about that stain on Monica's dress. Thank a republican for that.
And what did all that cost? I recall something like 70 million dollars to get the point of getting him because he lied about a blow job.
755 | Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:15pm |
Man, JAkcson and Farah Faucett on the same day
756 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:17pm |
Stoned wallabies make crop circles
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies and creating crop circles as they hop around "as high as a kite", a government official has said.
757 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:42pm |
re: #690 haakondahl
I was going to go to the bathroom, but Chimpy took my potty rights away.
That's nothing. Obama took my Kodachrome away.
758 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:52:58pm |
re: #756 Jimmah
Stoned wallabies make crop circles
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Finally, some good news.
759 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:11pm |
That's sad about Michael Jackson. Three kids are without their father, and I really feel for them. Their lives have been bizarre anyway, but this sucks for anyone.
760 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:11pm |
re: #756 Jimmah
Mwahahaha! Live entertainment. That's better than a bug zapper and a 6 pack.
761 | alegrias Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:13pm |
re: #753 DaddyG
I resemble that remark. More like Mormon fathers who have wives tough enough to raise 7 children aren't stupid enough to be cheating on them. ;-)
* * * *
Glad to hear it! Thanks for being a good parent & spouse.
763 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:21pm |
re: #757 ShanghaiEd
That's nothing. Obama took my Kodachrome away.
Did he give you the night's bright colors? The Greens of summer?
764 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:25pm |
re: #735 midwestgak
Yep. And it will pass. Save your pennies and pick them up off the street if you find them.
Putting $20 in my gas tank tomorrow. Wonder how many gallons $20 will buy in a week.
It will buy a little gas and the rest will help make the USA as green as Ireland in April. Don't you feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that your are helping save Mother Earth by paying out the ass for your gasoline, power and anything else that comes to you by a truck? I do. I feel great that we Americans are finally standing up and doing what is right.....giving ALL of our money to Washington so the smart and wise bureaucrats can save us all from Global Warming!
Whew, I for one am very relieved.
/
765 | unrealizedviewpoint Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:53:57pm |
re: #752 Dianna
The remark about MJ being seen getting into a limo with Elvis and Jim Morrison? It's got a weird resonance.
3 Greats!
766 | DaddyG Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:28pm |
re: #761 alegrias
* * * *
Glad to hear it! Thanks for being a good parent & spouse.
I have been blessed by God with a good wife and children. My job is to not mess that up!
BBL
767 | IslandLibertarian Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:28pm |
re: #740 DaddyG
Mitt has proved to have a handle on financial issues.
His beliefs are of no consequence to me.
Look at what we got in 2008.
An efin' narcissistic-socialist-milk toast-community organizer-spender-of-other-peoples-money.
768 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:36pm |
re: #758 OldLineTexan
Finally, some good news.
I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.
769 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:36pm |
re: #709 DaddyG
Hmmm... but he served a mission overseas. Where will his loyalty lie? /
Some might even say Romney was born to run.
770 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:38pm |
re: #744 Sharmuta
I'm thinking about those poor kids of his.
Nothing against him.. I pray the family can raise those children in a loving home and that they ascribe to being all they can be for their father....
May God grant them peace and grace in this most trying time, May He dry the tears of his children and bring a comfort to their hearts....
Rest in Peace Mr. Jackson.
771 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:40pm |
re: #671 pingjockey
Becks going over the 28 page supplement to the census. Haven't heard any of the questions yet, wait, it sounds like a damn health survey? And a buncha other shit, how many times have been married, how many minutes to get to work? WTF? What a bunch of crap.
The purpose of the Census is to determine representation in Congress.
The ACS, or prototype for
How many people, including this person,
usually rode to work in the car, truck, or van
LAST WEEK?
What time did this person usually leave home
to go to work LAST WEEK?
LAST WEEK, was this person TEMPORARILY
absent from a job or business?
772 | pink freud Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:54:59pm |
re: #751 zombie
Zombie, I have such respect for what you do. Congratulations on your Berkeley story going national. Super proud of you.
773 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:01pm |
Other questions on the census: How many times have you been married? What was the date of your last marriage?
(reference #465)
774 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:01pm |
It's discrimination ... if I ate opium and went hopping round a field in circles, they'd toss me in a rubber room AND make me wear pants.
/
775 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:26pm |
re: #768 Jimmah
I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.
I have to admit, it blindsided me.
776 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:55:27pm |
re: #756 Jimmah
Stoned wallabies make crop circles
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Tasmania has come to roo the day it established those farms.
777 | midwestgak Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:34pm |
re: #712 unrealizedviewpoint
May I suggest we knock off the jokes. Should he pass away...
um, this is a publicity stunt. He is alive and well. Has few facial features left, but he is alive and well.
This is a publicity stunt. IMHO.
778 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:38pm |
re: #770 HoosierHoops
Nothing against him.. I pray the family can raise those children in a loving home and that they ascribe to being all they can be for their father....
May God grant them peace and grace in this most trying time, May He dry the tears of his children and bring a comfort to their hearts....
Rest in Peace Mr. Jackson.
I'm not optimistic about their chances with extended family members. I firmly believe MJ went round the bend because of the way his father mercilessly exploited him and his brothers. I also suspect there's approximately zero dollars in his estate, and crushing debts. He was living on the largesse of oil sheiks for the last few years.
779 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:39pm |
Perhaps Jackson's death hasn't been confirmed yet, but the majority of people don't survive their first heart attack, so I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true.
780 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:56:47pm |
re: #771 jcm
Exactly, what in hell does that have to do with figuring out how many reps each state gets? Absolutley nothing. It's data mining and I find it intrusive and none of the Feds goddamned business.
781 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:02pm |
re: #777 midwestgak
um, this is a publicity stunt. He is alive and well. Has few facial features left, but he is alive and well.
This is a publicity stunt. IMHO.
He's dead. So, no.
782 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:20pm |
783 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:57:57pm |
re: #782 Jimmah
I really hope there's a video of this in the offing.
I think it would be pretty funny.
784 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:18pm |
re: #779 Sharmuta
Perhaps Jackson's death hasn't been confirmed yet, but the majority of people don't survive their first heart attack, so I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true.
According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.
785 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:47pm |
re: #783 Sharmuta
I think it would be pretty funny.
Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.
786 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:58:51pm |
re: #783 Sharmuta
I think it would be pretty funny.
What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?
787 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:04pm |
re: #784 Jimmah
According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.
CPR in the ambulance isn't a good sign.
788 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:08pm |
re: #771 jcm
The purpose of the Census is to determine representation in Congress.
The ACS, or prototype forHow many people, including this person,
usually rode to work in the car, truck, or van
LAST WEEK?What time did this person usually leave home
to go to work LAST WEEK?LAST WEEK, was this person TEMPORARILY
absent from a job or business?
Did you PICK up on the one which asks, ... "what did you nose and when did you nose it" ?
Now that's REALLY getting picky!
/yeah, I noses I need a life
789 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:10pm |
FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.
790 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:11pm |
re: #780 pingjockey
Exactly, what in hell does that have to do with figuring out how many reps each state gets? Absolutley nothing. It's data mining and I find it intrusive and none of the Feds goddamned business.
It has everything to do with reapportionment. Demographics can tell you how someone is more likely to vote....and, you can make up a district based on those figures. So, if you are an unscrupulous politician and want to stack the deck in your favor, this is the time to do that.
792 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:32pm |
re: #784 Jimmah
According to the BBC he wasn't breathing when the medics arrived at his house.
No breathing and no pulse, weren't able to restore either is what I'm reading.
793 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:34pm |
re: #785 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.
Shhh, I'm making a fortune smuggling those into the Middle East.
/
794 | Pianobuff Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:44pm |
re: #769 ShanghaiEd
Some might even say Romney was born to run.
He could help GM by opening a cadillac ranch.
795 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:59:58pm |
re: #786 OldLineTexan
What kind of kittehs are wallabies? Bounce kittehs?
Junkeh kittehs, apparently.
796 | opnion Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:03pm |
re: #759 doppelganglander
That's sad about Michael Jackson. Three kids are without their father, and I really feel for them. Their lives have been bizarre anyway, but this sucks for anyone.
Odd to lose the Ultimate Charlie's Angel & the King of Pop on the same day.
797 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:06pm |
WABC radio, New York: Jackson wasn't breathing when the EMTs arrived. Cardiac arrest was the diagnosis.
798 | Gearhead Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:14pm |
re: #768 Jimmah
I knew there had to be a rational explanation for those things. Just didn't see this particular rational explanation coming.
Apparently it's bad for the local (legit?) opium business. Maybe they should ship the lot of them to Afghanistan.
799 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:16pm |
800 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:18pm |
For reference sake, I provide the Canadian 2001 Census
New questions in 2001
Language at work* what language respondent uses most at work
* any other languages used regularly in the workplace
* question will provide insight on the vitality of official languagesBirthplace of parents
* last asked in 1971
* along with information from other questions such as place of birth, ethnic origin, visible minority and religion, this question provides a cultural portrait of the population of Canada, especially of second generation CanadiansReligion
* asked in every decennial census since 1871, it focuses on the respondent’s religion even if he/she is not currently a practicing member
* an important source of information on the ethnocultural profile of CanadiansLanguages spoken at home
* what language respondent speaks most often at home and additional information on other languages spoken regularly by the respondent is asked
* more comprehensive question will enable users to better identify language behaviour in homes where more than one language is spoken.Common-law couples
* in view of the legal recognition of same-sex couples and the related need by governments and private sector, the definition of common-law couples has been changed to include two people of the opposite sex or of the same sex who live together as a couple but who are not legally married to each other
* this definition is included in questions on common-law partners and on family and household relationships
801 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:22pm |
re: #787 Sharmuta
CPR in the ambulance isn't a good sign.
Come to think of it, CPR anywhere is rarely a good sign.
802 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:24pm |
re: #790 Desert Dog
Ah ha! Thanks. The percocet slows down my cognitive functions...but it feels great!
803 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:26pm |
804 | Kragar Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:29pm |
806 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:48pm |
807 | Hawaii69 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:00:57pm |
If you ever wondered what it would be like to have Ann
Coulter in elected office...look to Bachman.
But hey...maybe she's got plenty of footnotes!
808 | Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:39pm |
Farrah Fawcett Dies at 62, Succumbs to Cancer
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
809 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:41pm |
re: #785 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Right up there with the fainting goats I would imagine.
That reminded me of this:
The Vibrating Bum-faced Goats
810 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:01:50pm |
812 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:01pm |
re: #789 pingjockey
FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.
sorry fox news = lies
/
813 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:08pm |
814 | ShanghaiEd Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:11pm |
re: #763 OldLineTexan
Did he give you the night's bright colors? The Greens of summer?
LOL. Now that you mention it, no bright colors at all. Got a good pot of collards steaming for supper, though. Oh. Not those greens?
815 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:20pm |
re: #806 OldLineTexan
teh wallabeez needz twelf bouns program?
The plight of the junkie Australian Wallabies was poignantly memorialized in the novel, Go Ask Alice Springs.
816 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:21pm |
re: #801 Occasional Reader
Come to think of it, CPR anywhere is rarely a good sign.
Yeah. On my library rug (my friend who collapsed at the dinner table) scared the hell out of me.
818 | Honorary Yooper Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:34pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson's dead
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
wow
Wow is right. That's too Bad. I guess he Beat It out of here and Never Can Say Goodbye anymore.
819 | Desert Dog Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02:44pm |
re: #802 pingjockey
Ah ha! Thanks. The percocet slows down my cognitive functions...but it feels great!
In 2010-12, Obama and the DNC 's favorite Irishman will be Gerry Mander
822 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:11pm |
re: #812 OldLineTexan
sorry fox news = lies
/
We got a whole network devoted to not worshiping The One! The outrage!
823 | doubter4444 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:28pm |
re: #711 OldLineTexan
I quit reading right after that bit of snot. Just thought you might like to know.
As you wish. You didn't miss anything profound.
824 | SummerSong Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:43pm |
re: #722 Sharmuta
Michael Jackson's dead
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
wow
I'm sorry for his family. He has small children.
825 | midwestgak Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:51pm |
826 | wintercat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:57pm |
re: #691 doubter4444
Yeah, but, aren't we supposed to, you know, learn from history, from our mistakes and try to change?
Warren's support of internment was despicable and he regretted it. I think the take away here, just might be that it is something we need to be very very careful doing or even thinking of in the future.Rant over, thanks.
Did you just happen to choose my post at random to go on your rant or did you in some way interpret my comments to be in support of internment? Just curious.
827 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:03:59pm |
re: #816 Dianna
Yeah. On my library rug (my friend who collapsed at the dinner table) scared the hell out of me.
Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)
828 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:09pm |
re: #819 Desert Dog
In 2010-12, Obama and the DNC 's favorite Irishman will be Gerry Mander
Giving us yet more reasons for the elimination of television?
829 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:15pm |
re: #613 pingjockey
What is with the census questionaire that the Rep. doesn't like? Is the gov't asking more than the last census?
Or is she pissed like me, that a group known for fraud and chicanery is being allowed to 'help' with the census?
Yes, to both of your questions -
830 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:21pm |
In addition to providing information necessary for legislative redistricting, everything on the census is linked to a specific federal program or measurement criteria. What Bachmann doesn't understand is that the federal government is mammoth, and its programs, massive. How many toilets?: a measurement of wealth and public health. During the 1930s, many Americans lacked plumbing and electricity. The New Deal wanted to identify where these services were required to target federal aid.
There are many, many other examples, all related to government social services.
831 | Sharmuta Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:23pm |
re: #824 SummerSong
I'm sorry for his family. He has small children.
Me too- I hope they'll be alright.
832 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:28pm |
re: #778 doppelganglander
I'm not optimistic about their chances with extended family members. I firmly believe MJ went round the bend because of the way his father mercilessly exploited him and his brothers. I also suspect there's approximately zero dollars in his estate, and crushing debts. He was living on the largesse of oil sheiks for the last few years.
hiya....Nice seeing you.
In this moment
At this time
I bow my heart and say a prayer for the departed
among us...
And I wish his children well....
And I hope today finds you well.....
833 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:48pm |
re: #789 pingjockey
FNC just says he wasn't breathing when brought in. No other details on condition.
My local radio news, KOA, at the top of the hour, says no news, didn't mention death, I think they are being careful, said hospital has not made any announcements about condition, radio people never even used word "dead."
834 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:04:51pm |
re: #819 Desert Dog
I remember seeing a map of some district somewhere and it looked like a snake that had swallowed a goat. All to get the 'right' representation.
The UCLA medical center will now be transformed into a msm 3 ring circus.
835 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:01pm |
re: #822 Kenneth
btw, been meaning to ask when we're both in a slow thread --
...... how's your Dad doing?
836 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:04pm |
837 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:15pm |
re: #790 Desert Dog
It has everything to do with reapportionment. Demographics can tell you how someone is more likely to vote....and, you can make up a district based on those figures. So, if you are an unscrupulous politician and want to stack the deck in your favor, this is the time to do that.
Gerry Mander is running the census office!
838 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:23pm |
re: #827 Occasional Reader
Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)
OR, do we have to talk again?
840 | wintercat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:05:54pm |
Michael Jackson lived a very troubled life for all of his wealth and fame. I would not have traded places with him for an instant. RIP Michael.
841 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:15pm |
842 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:45pm |
843 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:06:51pm |
re: #829 GGMac
Well then I don't see how she gone off the rails. Then again I didn't read the article...oops.
845 | Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:07:37pm |
re: #820 buzzsawmonkey
Didn't the Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats have a platinum album a few years back?
Yeah I believe it was called "Smoke gets in your arse".
846 | jcm Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:02pm |
Michael Jackson is in a coma [Updated]
2:06 PM %P% June 25, 2009
[Updated at 2:46 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson is in a coma and his family is arriving at his bedside, a law enforcement source told The Times.Jackson was rushed to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center this afternoon by Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics.
Fire Capt. Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a call at Jackson's home at 12:26 p.m. He was not breathing when they arrived. The paramedics performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation and took him to the hospital, Ruda told The Times.
847 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:04pm |
re: #839 quickjustice
Michael Jackson finally-- Beat It!
Could somebody, you perhaps, but anyone, could you tell me why in the hell you would make a comment like this. Even if you didn't like him, hated him, why would you make a snide remark about someone dying?
Enlighten me.
848 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:33pm |
re: #835 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That's very kind of you to ask. He's still mourning his loss, but he's doing well. He came for a visit a few weeks ago and was in a good frame of mind. Doing the right things. He gets a heck of a lot of joy from his grand kids.
849 | opnion Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:08:57pm |
re: #844 snowcrash
Wow, Liz Taylor outlived Michael Jackson.
Who would have made that bet? I read somewhere that Michael had converted to Islam at the behest of his brother Jermaine.
I wonder what type of services & burial he will have.
850 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:09pm |
re: #827 Occasional Reader
Erm... how did that turn out? (he asked, delicately)
Fine.
Though I thought my Male was going to throw up after the EMTs hauled Ruth out.
He says that he doesn't remember it, but, when Ruth went over, he moved the kid she slumped against out of the way, lifted Ruth and carried her to the library. Neither he, nor our friend Charlie, could find a pulse, and she wasn't breathing. So Charlie managed her airway, my Male did compressions, I dealt with getting paramedics, Charlie's wife managed the dogs, and the two kids stayed out of the way.
I hope never to have anything like that happen again. Not over dinner.
851 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:17pm |
re: #848 Kenneth
That's very kind of you to ask. He's still mourning his loss, but he's doing well. He came for a visit a few weeks ago and was in a good frame of mind. Doing the right things. He gets a heck of a lot of joy from his grand kids.
:D
Good news!
852 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:09:19pm |
re: #840 wintercat
Amen. I hope he has rest. His father was horribly abusive to all the Jacksom kids.
853 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:10:33pm |
re: #832 HoosierHoops
hiya....Nice seeing you.
In this moment
At this time
I bow my heart and say a prayer for the departed
among us...
And I wish his children well....
And I hope today finds you well.....
I'm fine, Hoops, thanks for asking. You are such a kind soul - no matter who it is, you've got a thought and a prayer for them, even Michael Jackson.
855 | opnion Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:10:53pm |
re: #852 Kenneth
Amen. I hope he has rest. His father was horribly abusive to all the Jacksom kids.
Yeah, the elder Jackson was brutal.
857 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:11:26pm |
re: #854 Kenneth
Later folks, bbq calling my name...
Literally?
Have you been hanging out with those wallabies again, Kenneth?
858 | snowcrash Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:11:33pm |
re: #849 opnion
Oh yeah, I remember that. Interesting. Bet his memorial will be as media filled dramatic circus as his life.
859 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:29pm |
860 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:31pm |
861 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:37pm |
re: #857 Occasional Reader
Literally?
Have you been hanging out with those wallabies again, Kenneth?
teh pokit kittehs did sum drugz ... drugz r bad r u, OK?!?!? omg! dont eat teh drugz, pokit kittehs! srsly!
862 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:42pm |
863 | doppelganglander Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:12:44pm |
re: #850 Dianna
Fine.
Though I thought my Male was going to throw up after the EMTs hauled Ruth out.
He says that he doesn't remember it, but, when Ruth went over, he moved the kid she slumped against out of the way, lifted Ruth and carried her to the library. Neither he, nor our friend Charlie, could find a pulse, and she wasn't breathing. So Charlie managed her airway, my Male did compressions, I dealt with getting paramedics, Charlie's wife managed the dogs, and the two kids stayed out of the way.
I hope never to have anything like that happen again. Not over dinner.
I'm glad she's okay. Thank goodness you all were there.
866 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:13:36pm |
re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!
boys and grills ... it never changes
/OR, take notes
867 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:07pm |
868 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:07pm |
re: #863 doppelganglander
I'm glad she's okay. Thank goodness you all were there.
Oh, yes. I get cold chills when I think about it.
Ruth's been my friend these twenty years, we've gone through some really bad times together, and I can't stand the thought of her not being around.
869 | callahan23 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:14:56pm |
re: #853 doppelganglander
I'm fine, Hoops, thanks for asking. You are such a kind soul - no matter who it is, you've got a thought and a prayer for them, even Michael Jackson.
The Hoopster is one of the 'Righteous Among The Lizards'
870 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:27pm |
871 | pingjockey Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:28pm |
re: #865 buzzsawmonkey
That's cause most of us lizards enjoy our arguments and move along. Very discerning bunch in here, left and right. Plus it is damn fun!
872 | Neutral President Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:28pm |
OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
And no mention of course.
873 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:15:47pm |
I'm going to go dip my toe into the next thread, now that this one's gone slow.
874 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:08pm |
re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!
You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.
876 | Dianna Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:20pm |
re: #872 ArchangelMichael
OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
And no mention of course.
They credit zombie for the pictures.
877 | zombie Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:23pm |
re: #872 ArchangelMichael
OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
And no mention of course.
I'm mentioned. Look at the caption for the photo.
878 | opnion Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:31pm |
re: #858 snowcrash
Oh yeah, I remember that. Interesting. Bet his memorial will be as media filled dramatic circus as his life.
You can bet that it will be a raging zoo with all of the media.
I just hope that they don't make the thing too vulgar.
880 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:43pm |
re: #865 buzzsawmonkey
Totally OT--and something which will probably get lost down here at the bottom of the thread--I'd like to observe that there is a very nice phenomenon on this site; that people who have had major disagreements (sometimes quite acrimonious) nonetheless upding each other should some other amusing, interesting or merely agreeable comment be made.
In other words, grudges do not, for the most part, seem to be held across the board between posters, and they are invested in being agreeable and supportive of each other outside of the rigors of a particular discussion.
I think that shows a very nice culture, and believe it is worthy of noting.
THAT'S ALL OF THIS CRAP I'M GONNA TAKE, YOU @$#%&@ !
////////// UP-ding !
881 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:16:58pm |
re: #872 ArchangelMichael
OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
And no mention of course.
Yes there is, see the byline on the photos, and Zombie said that Fox paid for the use of the photos.
882 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:14pm |
re: #872 ArchangelMichael
OT - Nice to see Fox all over this... /like a week after Zombie covered it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
And no mention of course.
Actually ... if you look under the pictures, you will see a credit.
Several posts by zombie upthread on the subject.
884 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:18pm |
re: #865 buzzsawmonkey
In other words, grudges do not, for the most part, seem to be held across the board between posters
We should designate one day at the end of the week for all the grudges to be re-floated and argued vehemently. We could call it "Hot Grudge Sunday".
885 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:35pm |
886 | callahan23 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:17:42pm |
re: #874 Occasional Reader
You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.
Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)
887 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:18:05pm |
re: #874 Occasional Reader
You're really starting to make an asado yo'self with these puns.
Yeah, I've turned into a real dip!
888 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:18:31pm |
re: #866 OldLineTexan
boys and grills ... it never changes
/OR, take notes
I won't take notes about grill puns, weber you ask me to or not.
889 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:19:31pm |
re: #886 callahan23
Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)
[trying to think of pun that uses "chimichurri"]
890 | A Kiwi Infidel Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:13pm |
So, is he dead or isnt he?
Farrah passes away today (boy, did I have the hots for her as a young whippersnapper) and the gloved one tries to upstage her. Good grief.
891 | arf Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:19pm |
Even if she's a member of the Looney Right (as opposed to the Looney Left), am I alone here, feeling uncomfortable with any connection at all between ACORN and the Census?
892 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:29pm |
re: #889 Occasional Reader
[trying to think of pun that uses "chimichurri"]
chimichurri chimichurri chim chim-churee
asado's as spicy as spicy can be
893 | Neutral President Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:20:47pm |
re: #877 zombie
Oh wow, color me amazed. I read through the article but didn't look at the 6-point font photo caption.
It's the time of the work day where I'm about 3/5 asleep and counting the minutes until I can leave so cut me some slack.
894 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:33pm |
re: #893 ArchangelMichael
Oh wow, color me amazed. I read through the article but didn't look at the 6-point font photo caption.
It's the time of the work day where I'm about 3/5 asleep and counting the minutes until I can leave so cut me some slack.
Here's a yard and a half, tell the clerk up front I said it was complimentary.
895 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:39pm |
re: #892 OldLineTexan
chimichurri chimichurri chim chim-churee
asado's as spicy as spicy can be
Damn. Sometimes you gap-toothed fundie snake-handlers surprise me.
896 | callahan23 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:21:45pm |
On Michael Jackson: On Wikipedia the page on him is 'This page is currently protected from editing.'
While the page on Farrah Fawcett is already amended.
897 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:22:08pm |
re: #877 zombie
I'm mentioned. Look at the caption for the photo.
" ... maximally free of all the 'isms' ... "
Why in th' heck do I wanna keep reading that as ...
........ "maximally TREED IN all the 'isms' " ........ ?
/haven't a clue
898 | Occasional Reader Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:22:28pm |
re: #886 callahan23
Don't go 'n pun with 'asado' the holy grail of south ameerican culture as you well know.
;-)
CUA-DRILL HERE
CUA-DRILL NOW!
899 | OldLineTexan Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:23:48pm |
re: #895 Occasional Reader
Damn. Sometimes you gap-toothed fundie snake-handlers surprise me.
That was a vicious lie!
900 | opnion Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:23:51pm |
re: #891 arf
Even if she's a member of the Looney Right (as opposed to the Looney Left), am I alone here, feeling uncomfortable with any connection at all between ACORN and the Census?
No ,you are not alone. It is outrageous to have Acorn involved.
901 | Kenneth Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:25:25pm |
re: #862 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We're glad you came in and sauce for awhile!
please, enough with the buns, ok?
903 | Neutral President Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:26:41pm |
re: #881 Walter L. Newton
Sleep commenting is worse than drunk commenting. I need to heed this lesson.
904 | doubter4444 Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:27:09pm |
re: #826 wintercat
Did you just happen to choose my post at random to go on your rant or did you in some way interpret my comments to be in support of internment? Just curious.
I sort of melanged the two, sorry!
I read and agreed with your point that the internments were terrible, and took your comment to be just that, a gross abuse of people's freedoms.
Should of made another post about the census, but was lazy.
905 | GGMac Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:42:28pm |
re: #843 pingjockey
Well then I don't see how she gone off the rails. Then again I didn't read the article...oops.
She hasn't gone off the rails - she's merely a Republican at odds with Obama and his plans for a nanny-state.
906 | WinterCat Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:25:54pm |
re: #904 doubter4444
I sort of melanged the two, sorry!
I read and agreed with your point that the internments were terrible, and took your comment to be just that, a gross abuse of people's freedoms.Should of made another post about the census, but was lazy.
No problem. Just didn't quite understand.
907 | loudguitars Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:35:56pm |
The census questionaire is completely intrusive. Much of this information is private and personal and given the government's stellar history of data management, it WILL end up in someone elses hands or used by a government agency to profile you. Who in the government needs to know how much my condo fees area? It is INSANE! I have read that groups that receive government funds for voter registration (ACORN?) could have access to this data. It IS a privacy issue. I think the "Internment" comparison is a little over the top, but I am very concerned about this and still not sure that I will fill all of it out.
908 | kansas Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:37:20pm |
During WWII our country had the balls to make decisions of self preservation. Now..not so much.
909 | revgdright Thu, Jun 25, 2009 4:58:35pm |
I don't know whether he was considered hard right or not, but J. Edgar Hoover was just about the only person in Washington who was against the Internment program.
910 | quickjustice Thu, Jun 25, 2009 7:25:10pm |
A failed attempt at humor, Walter, using the title of an old hit of his. I don't wish death or illness on any human being, and we're all mortal. Michael Jackson was very talented, but led a very strange life. I can't help but remember the accusations against him. True? I'll never know.
If the reports that someone injected a large dose of demerol into him shortly before his death are true, then maybe he chose the moment of his departure.
911 | karloveloce Thu, Jun 25, 2009 8:52:14pm |
In true form for whacked out Minnesota politics and politicians, Bachmann never fails to deliver. Representing one of a few Republican districts within spitting distance of Mpls./St.Paul, the words that have come forth from her mouth continue to astound. She isn't dumb as she initially appears. It took me a while to recognize her political savvy and cunning. She is playing the line for sure but is making up her own script as she goes along. There do be a method to her madness for sure.
912 | Optimizer Thu, Jun 25, 2009 9:24:37pm |
re: #177 Pawn of the Oppressor
Well, was the census used that way for internment? I honestly don't know.
She might not be wrong, just catastrophically stupid...
...I'd still hit it though.
I get the impression that the Census Bureau involvement in the Internment was slim to none, that they DID however pass SOME information to govt agencies where they normally wouldn't have in the time frame 1942-1947 (due to a law that was on the books during that time). This abstract, for example, talks about it:
[Link: paa2007.princeton.edu...]
Some earlier in this thread gave a link to an article that claimed that the Census Bureau had "finally" 'fessed up, but if you actually READ the article it says some info was given to the Secret Service about some people living in DC - even THAT instance had nothing to do with the internments.
So she probably IS wrong, but it would be unfair to call her "catastrophically stupid" about this.
913 | Optimizer Thu, Jun 25, 2009 9:47:40pm |
I don't know too much about Bachmann, except that we seem to be seeing more of her lately. Perhaps either the leftists in the major media are getting afraid of her, or she's looking for more visibility to pursue higher office.
This piece is pretty clearly unfair. Bachmann raises a legitimate point - what IS a citizen to do when they feel that the Federal govt is getting just too damn nosy, and too damn untrustworthy? They focus on just the Japanese Internment part of the interview, where she is crystal clear about offering that up as an example of how the govt can say they won't use info against you one minute - and turn around and do it the next. Then they try to make it seem like she's sounding the alarm against another round of Japanese internments.
The fact that Census data hasn't been misused in decades has little bearing on the case, since there are some important differences this time around. First, Obama has side-stepped the Secretary of Commerce, which I think is unprecedented. Ask yourself, "Why would he do that? Doesn't have enough other things to do already?" Something smells really rotten. This is the guy who has solid associations with ACORN - which is basically a corrupt and socialist organization (pardon the redundancy). And, BTW, that organization is going to be involved in said census - despite their having become synonymous with voter fraud and the census being all about representation in elections!
I don't buy the "only give a count" argument, since the Constitution leaves the census content up to Congress, but there are fundamental privacy issues afoot. And giving representation to illegal aliens is just the start of what Obama and his socialist henchmen might be up to.
914 | kywrite Thu, Jun 25, 2009 10:11:15pm |
I'm planning on giving them number in household (and ages -- that's okay), telling them I am NOT white (cuz I'm a mutt) and sending them on their way.
Why?
a) Because I foresee ACORN falsifying just as much info on the census as they did in voter registration and why should I bother?
b) Because there is no spot on the census to say whether you are here legally or not -- not that the truth would be told, but still, I'd say that data is more important than how many toilets you own.
This means the census as it stands today will not be doing its original job of representational apportionment.
Also saw something stating that you're required to let census takers into your house? Ain't gonna happen. NOBODY comes into my house but people I know or whom I have specifically invited. They'll stand on the porch and like it for the three minutes I bother talking to them.
915 | princetrumpet Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:48:20am |
re: #50 Kosh's Shadow
So that's why the new census form says:
Religion:
_Muslim
_Dhimmi Christian
_Son of Pigs and Monkeys*
_Infidel atheist
_Other ** If you checked one of the starred items, please report to your community organizer within 7 days.
////DO I NEED TO SAY THIS IS SARC?
These days, yes.
916 | princetrumpet Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:53:26am |
re: #913 Optimizer
One up-ding to counter the down-ding. It's a patently unfair piece. Irrespective of this somewhat silly reach on MB's part, her initial points about ACORN are right. They're dishonest and I want them to have nothing to do with the census. Her larger point is sound and you don't have to be a Ron Paul supporter, troofer or nirther to see that. A reasonable person can see it.