Remember that Human Rights Watch report accusing Hamas of war crimes?
I hope you didn’t think that meant they were changing their ways, because they’re right back at their main occupation again: Human Rights Watch Earns Their Saudi Pay, Publishes Another Thinly-Sourced Report Demonizing Israel.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:25am |
If it weren't for hamas' violence, Israel wouldn't need to fight.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:27am |
Did the staff of Human Rights Watch all graduate from Yale?
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MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:51am |
Who can blame HRW?
We have a President who awarded the highest civilian honor- the Medal of Freedom- to the individual who was responsible for the hate-fest that was Durban I.
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redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:10:19am |
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:10:26am |
re: #4 MJ
Who can blame HRW?
We have a President who awarded the highest civilian honor- the Medal of Freedom- to the individual who was responsible for the hate-fest that was Durban I.
Consolation for not being able to pull off a repeat performance with such craptacular results as the first.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:11:20am |
re: #4 MJ
Who can blame HRW?
We have a President who awarded the highest civilian honor- the Medal of Freedom- to the individual who was responsible for the hate-fest that was Durban I.
Actually he got a twofer--Desmond Tutu ("Israel is a Nazi Apartheid state") also received a medal.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:12:09am |
re: #9 neoconundrum
I think the creationism and nut-job threads are relevant and important.
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yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:12:20am |
Human Rights Watch = Hamas/Hezbollah Rights Watch
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JustABill Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:12:21am |
re: #2 Sharmuta
If it weren't for Hamas' violence, Israel wouldn't need to fight.
You've forgotten about Hezbollah violence, Fatas violence, et all...
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debutaunt Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:12:38am |
re: #7 redstateredneck
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
He'll like get his own thread today.
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rwmofo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:13:01am |
I'll file this in the same place that I file "Al Sharpton said..."
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:13:03am |
I'm going to delete any comments complaining about what I post at LGF. If the complaints continue I'll just block accounts.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:13:29am |
re: #9 neoconundrum
Those creationist and right-wing nutjob threads are just as important and just as interesting, IMHO, as the anti-Israel and left-wing moonbat threads.
Now those tech threads on the other hand...
/sarc
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rwmofo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:14:06am |
re: #7 redstateredneck
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
Getting a Les Paul guitar has been on my "to do" list for a long time.
RIP Mr. Paul.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:14:33am |
re: #6 buzzsawmonkey
Let's give some props to Fatah and Hezbollah too.
This report is about Operation Cast Lead, so I left it at hamas. We could certainly add to the list of hostiles- I'd put iran at the top.
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MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:14:59am |
Some posts to read on Mary Robinbson- Obama's choice for the Medal of Freedom:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
And the late Tom Lantos on Durban which Mary Robinson was the responsible party:
[Link: fletcher.tufts.edu...]
There are plenty of others as well.
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:16:10am |
Hamas and Hezbollah will continue to use their own innocent civilians as shields until the world calls them on it. So far, that does not seem to be happening. They hide behind women and children and then call out Israel when someone dies...the cowardly and despicable tactics of these "Holy Warriors" makes me want to puke.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:16:38am |
So, to follow the logic, if Human Rights Watch seems to only report on the rights violations of some people, and completely ignores what is going on to another set of people, either the other side is not human or worth less.
I really don't like their logic.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:17:30am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
I think the creationism and nut-job threads are relevant and important.
Speaking of nut jobs.
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jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:17:35am |
“There’s a lot of bullying by certain elements of the Jewish community,” she has said. “They bully people who try to address the severe situation in Gaza and the West Bank.” —Mary Robinson, recipient (yesterday) of the Presidential Medal of Honor
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:17:36am |
re: #22 MJ
Some posts to read on Mary Robinbson- Obama's choice for the Medal of Freedom:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
And the late Tom Lantos on Durban which Mary Robinson was the responsible party:
[Link: fletcher.tufts.edu...]There are plenty of others as well.
Obama's choice is quite telling of his mind set. Why on earth would this women be honored for anything? She is full of hate. I guess that counts for something in some circles. She should get the medal of Go "F" Yourself instead
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shiplord kirel Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:18:29am |
In the old days (ca '02 and '03) Robinson was referred to as "one-eyed Mary" here at LGF, for her infallible, razor-sharp ability to find every splinter in Israel's eye while ignoring the forest of atrocities from the other side.
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MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:19:28am |
On HRW, also see the indispensable August 06, 2009 report by NGO Monitor:
Absolutely Wrong: Analysis of HRW report, “Precisely Wrong: Gaza Civilians Killed by Israeli Drone-Launched Missiles,” 30 June 2009
[Link: www.ngo-monitor.org...]
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:19:33am |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
Speaking of nut jobs.
I guess we are all going to hell then...Allah will be pissed at me, that is for sure.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:20:12am |
re: #7 redstateredneck
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
That's awful news! What a great guitarist he was!
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JustABill Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:20:20am |
Unfortunately, one of the games played over there is that, in exchange for concessions group x will peacefully coexist with Israel. What that really means, is that all the people in group x, start up/join group y, who continues killing any Jew they can find.
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midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:20:30am |
re: #7 redstateredneck
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
I've Googled his name and I don't see anything to confirm it, yet.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:20:40am |
Ah--nice to know that some things will stay the same in this crazy ever-changing world.
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VegasRick Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:21:16am |
re: #36 midwestgak
I've Googled his name and I don't see anything to confirm it, yet.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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debutaunt Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:21:34am |
re: #36 midwestgak
I've Googled his name and I don't see anything to confirm it, yet.
It's on Breitbart now.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:21:39am |
re: #36 midwestgak
I've Googled his name and I don't see anything to confirm it, yet.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:22:15am |
re: #34 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Hold on-- nuthin out there yet. No news on this. Might be a rumor.
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Shug Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:22:48am |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
Speaking of nut jobs.
Iran cleric says obeying Ahmadinejad like obeying a God bobblehead doll
FTFY
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:22:52am |
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:23:27am |
re: #41 calcajun
Never mind. We can stop fretting over whether this was a rumor.
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jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:23:28am |
AP reporting Les Paul's death. Found this cool photo.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:23:54am |
re: #20 rwmofo
Getting a Les Paul guitar has been on my "to do" list for a long time.
RIP Mr. Paul.
My bandleader plays a real pretty one - a sunburst he bought in the 60s.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:23:57am |
Speaking of islamic terrorism, how about this piece of news from Scotland?
Scotland considering freeing Lockerbie bomber
Worthy of a thread, methinks.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:23:58am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:24:51am |
re: #44 calcajun
Never mind. We can stop fretting over whether this was a rumor.
Way to pickup on the puns.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:24:58am |
re: #27 Bubblehead II
Speaking of nut jobs.
Bbbut...I thought obeying BHO was like obeying God? I'm confused now.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:24am |
re: #33 Desert Dog
Yep, even those of the faith will be going to hell because they believe dinnerjacket rigged the election.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:36am |
re: #49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
On that, we are in a-chord.
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Shug Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:39am |
re: #47 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Speaking of islamic terrorism, how about this piece of news from Scotland?
Scotland considering freeing Lockerbie bomber
Worthy of a thread, methinks.
Sentenced to life.
So let him die in jail.
the POS
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SurferDoc Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:48am |
Les Paul truly deserves to be called a legend. His name will live as long as guitars are played. The Gibson Les Paul took electric guitars to a new level and is still the dream guitar for many players today. Rest well, Les Paul.
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itellu3times Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:54am |
re: #50 calcajun
Bbbut...I thought obeying BHO was like obeying God? I'm confused now.
He's just the Chocolate Caliph, modest as the day is long.
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:57am |
re: #35 JustABill
Unfortunately, one of the games played over there is that, in exchange for concessions group x will peacefully coexist with Israel. What that really means, is that all the people in group x, start up/join group y, who continues killing any Jew they can find.
Land for Peace, Money for Peace, Two State Solution for Peace, Pre 1967 Borders for Peace, etc, etc...It does not really matter what Israel gives up, it will never be enough for many on the Palis side. Nothing short of all the Jews packing up and leaving will suffice. How do you negotiate in good faith with that mindset? And, why would you want to negotiate with people like that? What has it gotten Israel? Every concession brings more pain, not less.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:58am |
Several years ago, Paul told the Journal Sentinel what Paul McCartney once said to him: "I don't care how much guitar you played, I don't care how many hits you had, you invented that multitrack recording, and that made the difference."
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:26:04am |
re: #47 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Speaking of islamic terrorism, how about this piece of news from Scotland?
Scotland considering freeing Lockerbie bomber
Worthy of a thread, methinks.
No true Scotsman would free this man.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:26:13am |
re: #34 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
That's awful news! What a great guitarist he was!
Not just a great guitarist, but an inventor/innovator who revolutionized the music and recording industries.
It's a sad day, but I'm glad he lived to an old age, still performing and enjoying life.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:26:52am |
re: #52 Baier
Sources? We don't need no stinkin' sources!
We call 'em as we see 'em. And if we don't see 'em, we make 'em up.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:26:52am |
re: #52 Baier
Sources? We don't need no stinkin' sources!
Who needs sources when it has an air of "undeniable" truthiness?
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redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:27:27am |
re: #60 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not just a great guitarist, but an inventor/innovator who revolutionized the music and recording industries.
It's a sad day, but I'm glad he lived to an old age, still performing and enjoying life.
At 94 and still jammin', his was a life to celebrate.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:27:44am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:27:47am |
re: #63 Sharmuta
Who needs sources when it has an air of "undeniable" truthiness?
It's the seriousness of the charge, right, Shar?
/
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jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:28:29am |
"When I got my first guitar my fingers wouldn't go to the sixth string so I took off the big E and played with just five strings. I was only 6 or 7." —Les Paul
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:28:33am |
re: #7 redstateredneck
OT, but did anyone else hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
That's a bummer - wished I'd made an effort to see him play
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:28:41am |
re: #64 redstateredneck
All those years of playing and he still had the hands to play in his 90's-- talk about blessed.
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Scion9 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:29:29am |
HRW was never in any danger of changing. They called a foul on the Palestinians for lobbing rockets into civilian Israeli territory, and they perpetually demonize Israel.
They still miss the elephant in the room. They consistently ignore the plight of the Palestinians not at the hands of Israel, but at the hands of their own ruling class. It's a glaring omission not just by HRW but by practically the entire 'establishment' involved in the I/P conflict on both the intellectual playing field and by actual forces involved in crafting policy. Until the onus is put on Palestinians to reform their ways, and build a healthy respect for the lives of their own people, there will be no peace and no possible respect for outsiders.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:30:12am |
re: #68 Leonidas Hoplite
That's a bummer - wished I'd made an effort to see him play
In 2003 I was on a business trip in NYC and I was staying a couple of blocks from Times Square. I didn't realize until I got home that Paul had a weekly gig at a club (I think on Monday nights) very close to my hotel. I had always hoped to see him once on a return trip, but that will never happen now.
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:30:22am |
re: #51 Bubblehead II
Yep, even those of the faith will be going to hell because they believe dinnerjacket rigged the election.
If that is the actual criterion for gaining access to the pearly gates, we will have lots of company in Hell. But, I have a feeling our dear psycho-midget friend will be doing the "roasting" in the special section of Hell reserved for the truly evil. Have fun Mahmoud...brings lots of marshmallows with you when you finally kick the bucket.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:31:05am |
re: #47 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Speaking of islamic terrorism, how about this piece of news from Scotland?
Scotland considering freeing Lockerbie bomber
Worthy of a thread, methinks.
1) They should free him by dropping him out of an airplane at 15,000 feet (low enough he doesn't pass out, but high enough so he has time to enjoy the ride.)
2) And Pollard is still in prison.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:31:36am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:31:49am |
So...I actually went out to HRW, just to see for myself.
Their front page has six equally divided parts. There are seven continents, and I'll give them a pass on ignoring abuse of whatever it is that actually lives in Antarctica. As I learned it in school, the six continents are: Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and Australia.
They have: United States, Africa, Middle East/N. Africa, Europe/Central Asia, Americas, and Asia.
We are so bad we get our own section. China and Myanmar and Thailand are get shoved in together, but the wicked US gets its own section. The Congo and Sudan and Nigeria and Zimbabwe are all bundled together--must not be a lot going on there.
Did you know there is still corporal punishment going on in US schools? In a world with the Sudan in it, this merits its own report. I'll bet those kids in Africa who get beaten in their Madrassahs are glad Human Rights is using resources to report this.
Ugh.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:06am |
re: #50 calcajun
Bbbut...I thought obeying BHO was like obeying God? I'm confused now.
What will happen if they ever do meet?
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:24am |
re: #66 thedopefishlives
It's the seriousness of the charge, right, Shar?
/
In part. Just as important is continuing with a campaign to demonize Israel in what I take to be an attempt to blackball Israel from normal relations with other countries. It's disgusting.
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Baier Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:31am |
re: #63 Sharmuta
Who needs sources when it has an air of "undeniable" truthiness?
Just because all the facts are wrong or unprovable it doesn't necessarily follow that the conclusion is incorrect.\
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:34am |
My step brother, who is a talented and world record breaking guitarist, is a big Paul fan. Right now he's probably on his flight from Germany to DC, so he probably won't hear about Paul's death until later today or tonight.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:39am |
re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee
In 2003 I was on a business trip in NYC and I was staying a couple of blocks from Times Square. I didn't realize until I got home that Paul had a weekly gig at a club (I think on Monday nights) very close to my hotel. I had always hoped to see him once on a return trip, but that will never happen now.
Yes, Monday nights at the Iridium, if I remember correctly. I do hope you are able to check out some other places for music on your next trip to NYC.
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Shug Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:50am |
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FQ Kafir Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:32:59am |
re: #17 Charles
I'm going to delete any comments complaining about what I post at LGF. If the complaints continue I'll just block accounts.
"...this here is your barbecue, and it tastes good."
-Nicholas Cage in ConAir
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shiplord kirel Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:33:08am |
re: #59 calcajun
No true Scotsman would free this man.
A snark of genius, Cal. I regret that I only have one upding to offer for it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:33:28am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:35:46am |
re: #79 Sharmuta
In part. Just as important is continuing with a campaign to demonize Israel in what I take to be an attempt to blackball Israel from normal relations with other countries. It's disgusting.
I know. I was making a half-joke, but in all seriousness, all these people care about is making Israel "do the right thing". Which, in their minds, is roll over and play dead and let the Arabs take them out wholesale.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:36:10am |
re: #82 Leonidas Hoplite
Yes, Monday nights at the Iridium, if I remember correctly. I do hope you are able to check out some other places for music on your next trip to NYC.
The last time I was in NYC my cousin took me to some bar in the East Village that had live music every night and no cover (a surprise for me - I thought all NYC live music venues had a cover!) I can't remember the name, but we saw some alt country/college rock band. Wayne Hancock was on their schedule, so it was a pretty good place for music.
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Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:37:12am |
re: #2 Sharmuta
If it weren't for hamas' violence, Israel wouldn't need to fight.
///If it weren't for Israel's existence, Hamas would need to be violent.
It's the juice fault.
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blangwort Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:37:58am |
HRW takes a very narrow focus on human rights. Other humans don't get cited very often for violating human rights. Governments get cited. And since the PLO isn't much of a government, it rarely gets cited.
This is what happens when tackling problems from a bureaucratic perspective. That's HRW.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:37:58am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:38:15am |
re: #87 thedopefishlives
I know you were joking, Hon. I'm just seeing the same sort of demonization tactic play out with Israel that I had also mentioned on the overnight thread. These things are done intentionally to create discord only- there is nothing redeeming about this tactic.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:38:37am |
re: #89 Kenneth
///If it weren't for Israel's existence, Hamas would need to be violent.
It's the juice fault.
I was waiting for that! What took you so long? ;)
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:39:23am |
Even the World Archaeological Congress excludes Israel from a conference.
The World Archaeological Congress (WAC), presently convening a conference of archaeologists from all over the world, has excluded Israel even though the conference is taking place in Ramallah.The congress, entitled "Overcoming Structural Violence", did not invite the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) despite the fact that some of the topics being discussed at the conference deal with regions in Jerusalem where an archaeological excavation is being conducted exclusively by the IAA.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:41:13am |
re: #92 Sharmuta
I know you were joking, Hon. I'm just seeing the same sort of demonization tactic play out with Israel that I had also mentioned on the overnight thread. These things are done intentionally to create discord only- there is nothing redeeming about this tactic.
What makes it worse is that these people invent any number of excuses as to why they're not "anti-Semitic", giving their words a veneer of legitimacy that can fool the uninformed. And that angers me to no end.
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Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:41:54am |
re: #57 Desert Dog
Since 1948, the argument has never been about the size of Israel. It has always been about the very existence of Israel.
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Sacred Plants Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:48:39am |
re: #77 EmmmieG
As I learned it in school, the six continents are: Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and Australia.
They have: United States, Africa, Middle East/N. Africa, Europe/Central Asia, Americas, and Asia.
And the United Nations have: African Group, Asian Group, Eastern European Group, Latin American and Caribbean Group, Western European and Others Group.
When the international order is messed up, no surprise that the order of some nongovernmental organization is in the same state, although in a different kind of mess.
(Is there a need to mention which country is not accepted to any of these regional groups?)
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Bubblehead II Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:49:21am |
So as to not to detract from the Les Paul thread.
U.S. Marines Fight House-to-House in Afghan Taliban Stronghold
*snip*
The Marines are going house to house, they’re going compound to compound to make sure that there are no militants remaining and they’re doing it while the Taliban that the Marines didn’t kill yesterday try to kill these Marines today.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:51:01am |
re: #99 Sacred Plants
And the United Nations have: African Group, Asian Group, Eastern European Group, Latin American and Caribbean Group, Western European and Others Group.
When the international order is messed up, no surprise that the order of some nongovernmental organization is in the same state, although in a different kind of mess.
(Is there a need to mention which country is not accepted to any of these regional groups?)
Where does Canada go? I noticed that Canada and Australia, apparently, have no human rights issues.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:51:21am |
re: #99 Sacred Plants
And the United Nations have: African Group, Asian Group, Eastern European Group, Latin American and Caribbean Group, Western European and Others Group.
When the international order is messed up, no surprise that the order of some nongovernmental organization is in the same state, although in a different kind of mess.
(Is there a need to mention which country is not accepted to any of these regional groups?)
Actually, the Western European and Others group took Israel a few years ago, although I don't think Israel has full rights yet.
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Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:02:45am |
re: #101 EmmmieG
Where does Canada go? I noticed that Canada and Australia, apparently, have no human rights issues.
That's because Canada has Human Rights Tribunals to protect us.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:04:54am |
re: #104 neoconundrum
Great- then get your own blog. Then we can come over and tell you what we think should be your topics.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:05:26am |
re: #103 Kenneth
That's because Canada has Human Rights Tribunals to protect us.
I must say that Ezra Levant's videos are magnificent. I go to watch them for entertainment value.
"What was my intent? To exercise my God given rights as a free born Albertan to publish whatever I want."
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Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:05:57am |
re: #100 Bubblehead II
I read yesterday that the Taliban decided to stand and fight instead of running away as usual. Not a healthy decision when it's the US Marines coming at you.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:06:17am |
re: #104 neoconundrum
Let's see... This blog is about anti-idiotarianism. Creationists, Nirthers, crackpots and tools are all idiotarians. Ergo, they are relevant to Charles's interest - and isn't that whose interest matters? The rest of us are just along for the ride. As Shar mentioned, feel free to start your own blog if you don't like what Charles has to say.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:07:09am |
re: #104 neoconundrum
I think the creationism and nut-job threads are relevant and important.
Sharmuta, et al,
Just out of curiosity, what is it about creationists do you find relevant and important? Whether one believes we evolved from living organisms or was placed here by a supernatural power doesn't seem to me to be a major public issue. Don't we have freedom of religion here in the US?
Personally, I find our $1.5 Trillion deficit, our cozying-up to despots, and government-run health care to be more important.
The issue is whether a specific religion's beliefs should be taught as reality in our schools. The future is only one generation deep, and a science class should contain only science.
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calcajun Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:11:58am |
re: #104 neoconundrum
Might be wasting my breath/keystrokes but it is not what the Creationists "think" that is worrisome. In this country, you are free to think what you want. If your belief system is that the universe was sneezed into existence or came about through some other ejaculatory means, then you are welcome to purse that belief system.
But, when you try and have that belief system taught as science in public schools, as science is defined, then then you run afoul of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. You begin to set a very bad precedent which, given that demographics are not fixed in stone, may one day return to bite us in the proverbial ass.
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neoconundrum Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:13:00am |
The issue is whether a specific religion's beliefs should be taught as reality in our schools. The future is only one generation deep, and a science class should contain only science.
EmmmieG,
Thanks for the reply. Perhaps I'm not totally up-to-date on the issue, but are you saying there are public schools that REFUSE to teach evolution?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:14:56am |
re: #112 neoconundrum
The issue is whether a specific religion's beliefs should be taught as reality in our schools. The future is only one generation deep, and a science class should contain only science.
EmmmieG,
Thanks for the reply. Perhaps I'm not totally up-to-date on the issue, but are you saying there are public schools that REFUSE to teach evolution?
No, there are groups that are trying to get creationism taught in a science class. I think you know this.
Religion belongs in a religious class. I have no problem with religious classes--all of my children are in them--but not in a public school.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:15:01am |
re: #112 neoconundrum
I suggest you read comment #17.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:15:27am |
re: #114 Charles
I suggest you read comment #17.
I thought we agreed to mention comment #17.
*ducks*
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:15:57am |
And by the way, yes, there absolutely ARE fundamentalist teachers in this country who refuse to teach evolution -- a shockingly high number of them, in fact.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:17:05am |
re: #107 Kenneth
Nope. it isn't. But when the town is a major trade center as well as controlling access to a strategic pass they need, they don't really have much of a choice. They will lose of course, but they will try. I just hope that we don't lose any of our boys.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:18:24am |
re: #115 thedopefishlives
PIMF... *not to mention
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neoconundrum Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:23:58am |
Charles,
Thanks. I had no idea there were public school teachers who refuse to teach science in science class. I know in my hebrew school class, we were taught the Earth was created in 6 days!
I'm just trying to understand the issue. I know these threads appear a lot, but I wasn't sure why.
Mea Culpa - keep up the good work!
BTW - Here's a link to one of my conservative heroes:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]
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gatorbait Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:28:37am |
Human Rights Warts = a branch off the Axis of Evil
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:29:02am |
re: #119 neoconundrum
Charles,
Thanks. I had no idea there were public school teachers who refuse to teach science in science class. I know in my hebrew school class, we were taught the Earth was created in 6 days!
I'm just trying to understand the issue. I know these threads appear a lot, but I wasn't sure why.
Mea Culpa - keep up the good work!
BTW - Here's a link to one of my conservative heroes:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]
In my Hebrew class, the teacher said that one way of reconciling Bereshit with science is that the "days" aren't our days, and since the Sun wasn't even made on the first day, they probably weren't.
(Bereshit = usually translated as "in the beginning", is the proper Hebrew name for Genesis.)
Although I doubt she was planning to go into the Kabbalistic interpretation, which has "G-d's days", and determined the age of the universe at around 15 billion years.
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Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:29:15am |
re: #117 Bubblehead II
The excellent blog The Torch is covering an ongoing Canadian-led operation in Af'stan.
Canadian operations at Kandahar/US Marines at Helmand (Update with video)
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:35:16am |
re: #121 Kosh's Shadow
In my Hebrew class, the teacher said that one way of reconciling Bereshit with science is that the "days" aren't our days, and since the Sun wasn't even made on the first day, they probably weren't.
(Bereshit = usually translated as "in the beginning", is the proper Hebrew name for Genesis.)
Although I doubt she was planning to go into the Kabbalistic interpretation, which has "G-d's days", and determined the age of the universe at around 15 billion years.
I think Rav Kook had a similar explanation.
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 11:17:31am |
Millions of Arabs live under totalitarian regimes, but we hear zip about their human rights.
Even if NGO's like HWR were to upgrade to moral equivalency and proportionality, we'd hear 28 stories about human rights abuses in Arab lands for each abuse in the disputed territories.
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AZDave Thu, Aug 13, 2009 11:39:25am |
re: #50 calcajun
Speaking of nut jobs.Iran cleric says obeying Ahmadinejad like obeying God
Bbbut...I thought obeying BHO was like obeying God? I'm confused now.
Maybe, just maybe, BHO and Ahmadinejad are one and the same.
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