Live Video: President Obama Speaks on Health Care
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Here’s our first thread for President Obama’s speech to a joint session of Congress, with live streaming video.
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:01:16pm |
I would love to hear some real details and I hope he provides them.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:01:26pm |
I hope one of the ideas is to force Congress into whatever plan they approve…
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:02:08pm |
The most important speech of his presidency so far, and the president is late. Somehow that seems appropriate.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:02:30pm |
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Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:02:31pm |
re: #1 Jetpilot1101
I don’t think he can/will/wants to provide details.
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:02:57pm |
re: #4 Dahveed
The most important speech of his presidency so far, and the president is late. Somehow that seems appropriate.
The “Audacity” of tardiness…
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:03:15pm |
The thread spy is really good for these live threads, by the way.
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captdiggs Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:03:30pm |
re: #4 Dahveed
The most important speech of his presidency so far, and the president is late. Somehow that seems appropriate.
Probably a teleprompter malfunction. ;-)
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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:04:21pm |
Unless he’s prepared to put forth his own plan…this is just gonna be more cheerleading.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:04:37pm |
re: #9 Charles
Yes, and thank you for providing this. Very innovative and informative
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:04:41pm |
re: #9 Charles
The thread spy is really good for these live threads, by the way.
Charles, why can’t we rate comments in the comment spy mode?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:04:53pm |
Apparently he’s going to really come out swinging tonight.
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Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:04:54pm |
re: #10 jamgarr
And let the people see how many he’s shoehorned in? I only WISH he had the audacity to introduce them all.
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cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:05:04pm |
“That is why I have pledged that I will not sign health insurance reform that adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” - President Barack Obama
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KingKenrod Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:05:09pm |
He hasn’t tried attacking Congress yet…maybe he’s going to go scorched earth on them…
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:05:30pm |
re: #16 Jetpilot1101
Charles, why can’t we rate comments in the comment spy mode?
Because with the moving comments it would be too easy to hit the wrong button.
Click the comment number and rate it in the popup window instead…
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:05:44pm |
re: #14 BignJames
Unless he’s prepared to put forth his own plan…this is just gonna be more cheerleading.
This is the high water mark for his presidency. Only seven months after taking power.
The words “sink or swim” come to mind
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:06:14pm |
re: #24 Charles
Because with the moving comments it would be too easy to hit the wrong button.
Click the comment number and rate it in the popup window instead…
The ‘spy’ window IS most excellent Charles…cool stuff.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:06:17pm |
I wonder how many back-up teleprompters they have?
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:06:30pm |
re: #26 wee fury
He is late — and i dislike lateness.
I know if I had an appointment to see my boss. the LAST thing I want to be is late…
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:06:32pm |
re: #24 Charles
Because with the moving comments it would be too easy to hit the wrong button.
Click the comment number and rate it in the popup window instead…
Thank you and once again, thank you for all you do! Keep up the great work. You are a voice of sanity amidst a sea of idiocy.
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Gus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:07:00pm |
Response to be given by:
Charles William Boustany, Jr.
U.S. House of Representatives
from Louisiana’s 7th district (R)
Top 20 Industries contributing to Campaign Committee:
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:07:00pm |
It would be nice to have the live stream visible somewhere on the spy page but I guess there probably isn’t enough room.
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:07:36pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
It would be nice to have the live stream visible somewhere on the spy page but I guess there probably isn’t enough room.
Two monitors is Sooo nice for that.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:07:47pm |
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:07:55pm |
re: #32 Dahveed
He’s not late. He’s fashionable.
When Clinton was late it was fashionable because he seemed to be a very gregarious man who really enjoyed being in the arena.
obama reminds me of Joe Isuzu…
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:08:21pm |
Obama was against raising the debt limit, before he was for it.
/major hypocrite, and we’re supposed to trust him?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:08:33pm |
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:08:44pm |
re: #39 HelloDare
See Charles #24…click on the comment number and rate it in the popup
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Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:08:44pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
It would be nice to have the live stream visible somewhere on the spy page but I guess there probably isn’t enough room.
Put two windows up and minimize - side by each - works on a laptop even.
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:09:07pm |
re: #17 BigPapa
‘We should have health care because it’s ‘essential’ just like fire and police and water treatment, and it will be cheaper because there will be no profit.’
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jamgarr Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:09:07pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:09:16pm |
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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:09:47pm |
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:09:51pm |
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:10:01pm |
re: #43 taxfreekiller
Now your in the pre-uh stage, other uh’s to follow as needed.
C’mon…this is tough for a president with 8 months experience.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:10:19pm |
Remember, this is not about Obama. How many times does he have to tell you that. It’s not about him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:10:19pm |
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MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:10:22pm |
I guess he shoulda used Google Maps to get there
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:10:22pm |
45+ minute speech, arrive 15 minutes late.
/so much for the Republican response before the remotes start clicking at the top of the next hour
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:11:33pm |
Maybe he’ll explain to us why he has no nirth certifikit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:11:43pm |
Please. Does he think he is Mike Tyson?
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:12:16pm |
re: #70 Cannadian Club Akbar
Please. Does he think he is Mike Tyson?
I can just imagine him with a Tyson face tattoo…
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:12:21pm |
The “live fee” is running behind the Fox feed.
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jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:12:33pm |
re: #69 Charles
Maybe he’ll explain to us why he has no nirth certifikit.
It’s in his serkit marsupial pouch, he is an alien after all.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:12:35pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:12:42pm |
I know — who does he think he is, the President or somethi…
Oh, wait.
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:18pm |
re: #30 DrNaughty
Yes, but you’re assuming he actually believes we’re his boss. IMHO, he really thinks he’s The Chosen One, answerable to nobody.
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:22pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to count Pelosi’s blinks?
How high can you count because you’d have to count about as high as the current national debt.
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albusteve Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:30pm |
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:39pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to count Pelosi’s blinks?
You’ll need a strobe light (thank you Mr. Edgerton) to stop them…
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:45pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to count Pelosi’s blinks?
I bet it will be non-stop.
Oh, look - she’s started already.
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:13:57pm |
Sheila Jackson Lee looks like she knows what’s going on.
Yeah right!
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:10pm |
Obama just asked Hillary if she knew where Bill was. That’s why she laughed.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:29pm |
re: #90 Dahveed
Sheila Jackson Lee looks like she knows what’s going on.
Yeah right!
Appearances can be so deceiving.
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SummerSong Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:29pm |
*kiss* *kiss* *kiss*
Come on, let’s hear it, already.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:33pm |
more people will die
Ooh, scary!
/if it’s that urgent, maybe it should be scheduled to take effect before 2013, eh?
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:37pm |
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jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:42pm |
re: #92 HelloDare
Obama just asked Hillary if she knew where Bill was. That’s why she laughed.
Are all the interns present and accounted for?
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:51pm |
Hey, look. They dusted Biden off and took him out of the closet.
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MacDuff Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:14:56pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to count Pelosi’s blinks?
That requires some knowledge of quantum physics, doesn’t it?
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:01pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to count Pelosi’s blinks?
Not me, I’m putting a bag over my head. Hope she does too.
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:15pm |
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:21pm |
Is that a tingle running up my leg or are you happy to see me?
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jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:21pm |
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
Pelosi is a fucking joke.
She’s Speaker of the House, we’re the punch line.
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:38pm |
Pelosi puts the speech aside.
Why do I have a feeling she wrote the speech?
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:39pm |
I wonder what sort of free stuff I’m gonna get.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:44pm |
re: #92 HelloDare
Bill’s flying to Sacramento, trying to find the lobbyists that were taking care of Assemblyman Duvall…
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:44pm |
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:49pm |
So, how long into the speech do we go before Obama highlights a few health care victims in the peanut gallery?
I’m betting on a parade of woebegone folks, each with a personal horror story, maybe even a group of kids sporting appendix removal scars - courtesy of those predatory money grubbing physicians.
Yes, I am a bloody cynic.
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Beller0ph1 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:53pm |
Don’t want to watch it, I think I’ll wait for the transcript.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:58pm |
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huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:19pm |
20 minutes late and $2trillion short. Any ballgames on?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:20pm |
re: #112 wee fury
Mrs. Obama looks nice.
How dare you say something like that! Don’t you know we’re supposed to hate everything about both of them???
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:34pm |
My fellow socialists… ooops, I mean Citizens…
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:44pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:46pm |
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:56pm |
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
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BignJames Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:16:56pm |
re: #99 HelloDare
Hey, look. They dusted Biden off and took him out of the closet.
I think Joe and Greta van Sustren got their facelifts at the same place.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:02pm |
Do they write all those thank you’s on the teleprompter?
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:26pm |
re: #121 Charles
How dare you say something like that! Don’t you know we’re supposed to hate everything about both of them???
I like her too…
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MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:37pm |
members of congress…as of today we will all be going on the Government Health Plan. G’Night Everybody.
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Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:43pm |
Oh here we go. Give me all the credit. I fixed it all.
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:48pm |
700,000 jobs per month. Down to 300,000 jobs per month. So it’s only half as bad.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:17:58pm |
Hey, now we’re only losing 200K jobs a month.
/go stimulus!
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:00pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:10pm |
Did they figure in the time for the applause when the figured the timing of the speech?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:13pm |
re: #134 Dahveed
700,000 jobs per month. Down to 300,000 jobs per month. So it’s only half as bad.
That’s a pretty amazing improvement though.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:22pm |
There are going to be a lot of applause breaks. This will take a while.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:32pm |
If the recession is over, do they still have to spend the 85% of the stimulus that hasn’t been spent yet?
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cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:41pm |
By spending a small portion of the stimulus so far???
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wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:43pm |
Cannot see blinky’s face. No counting blinks tonight. Bah.
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:18:47pm |
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:02pm |
Is it my TV or does it look like he took a black pencil and filled in his gray eyebrows.
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avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:10pm |
re: #134 Dahveed
700,000 jobs per month. Down to 300,000 jobs per month. So it’s only half as bad.
Bit over 200K actually, and better than predicted.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:12pm |
BRB, my Unicorn is shitting skittles.
/
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yenta-fada Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:15pm |
He has not “pulled the economy back from the brink” Now he’s a fortune teller?
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:17pm |
I will not let up until you are all assimilated. Ooops. I mean…
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Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:28pm |
We didn’t come here to solve crises, we came here to create trainwrecks.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:38pm |
re: #146 Athos
If the recession is over, do they still have to spend the 85% of the stimulus that hasn’t been spent yet?
Nixon tried to impound money congress allocated for spending programs and the SC ruled against him.
Unless Congress passes legislation to return the money to the treasury. the answer is yes
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:39pm |
re: #113 The Shadow Do
And don’t forget the amputees, all at 30-50,000 per amputation
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:49pm |
As a generic statement, WTF am I watching another political speech?
/jaded & cynical
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MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:50pm |
I wonder if the SEIU will disrupt the speech
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Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:51pm |
We would have recovered sooner without all the intervention.
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alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:52pm |
“We have pulled America’s economy back from the brink.”—Pres. Obama (live)
bwahaha. AS IF.
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kham Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:19:55pm |
re: #141 Charles
I recall during the Bush administration how the press admonished the administration because 20,000 jobs were created as a apposed to the projected 30,000…funny how that standard has changed
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:03pm |
We came here to build a future.
/and it’s going to cost $9 trillion, fork it over
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:07pm |
So, does Rahm have a remote connected to each of those seats - when the boss gets to an applause line…zap…?
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:07pm |
We’re all gonna live forever! FREE!
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cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:20pm |
I happened to be in leadership when a cyclical recovery began. How awesome am I?!?!
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Cato Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:22pm |
re: #141 Charles
That’s a pretty amazing improvement though.
Not really. Capitalism is self-correcting.
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SummerSong Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:28pm |
Mr. Biden and Ms. Pelosi have synchronised blinking…
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:40pm |
And 65 years later the American people still don’t want it…
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:20:51pm |
Er, I know we’re supposed to hate everything about him and everything he does, but the economy really is getting better. I’m not going to bash him for taking some credit. The buck stops at his desk.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:09pm |
re: #173 SummerSong
Mr. Biden and Ms. Pelosi have synchronised blinking…
They are controlled by the same swarm mind.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:16pm |
re: #154 avanti
Bit over 200K actually, and better than predicted.
/um, he predicted the unemployment rate wouldn’t exceed 8%, it’s going to hit double digits soon
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:28pm |
A failure year after year that’s endangering us? Balancing the budget?!
Oh- damn.
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Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:38pm |
re: #177 HelloDare
They are controlled by the same swarm mind.
Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
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SFGoth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:41pm |
re: #160 DrNaughty
Nixon tried to impound money congress allocated for spending programs and the SC ruled against him.
Unless Congress passes legislation to return the money to the treasury. the answer is yes
You mean return it to China.
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:43pm |
re: #121 Charles
How dare you say something like that! Don’t you know we’re supposed to hate everything about both of them???
Come on, she’s the first hot First Lady since Jackie O.
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huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:46pm |
re: #158 Lawrior
We didn’t come here to solve crises, we came here to create trainwrecks.
We didn’t come here to praise capitalism; we came to bury it.
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alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:55pm |
Wonder WHY individuals pay 3x as much for insurance as their employer!
Hint hint, WHO gets to take tax credits for it?
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:21:55pm |
And where do people come to around the world for healthcare ?
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Gus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:13pm |
re: #175 Charles
Er, I know we’re supposed to hate everything about him and everything he does, but the economy really is getting better. I’m not going to bash him for taking some credit. The buck stops at his desk.
Odd how if it does bad he gets criticized but if would get better he wouldn’t get credit.
Interesting.
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jamgarr Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:26pm |
re: #184 huckfunn
We didn’t come here to praise capitalism; we came to bury it.
And Van was an honorable man!
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:29pm |
re: #175 Charles
Er, I know we’re supposed to hate everything about him and everything he does, but the economy really is getting better. I’m not going to bash him for taking some credit. The buck stops at his desk.
The overspending is going to come back and bite us. Maybe he won’t be President when it happens.
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Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:43pm |
No, our GOVERNMENT spends less directly, but we as as nation, through tax subsidies, spends more than other Western nations.
See The Divided Welfare State by J. Hacker.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:49pm |
What I fail to understand is why the government can provide BETTER insurance ?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:54pm |
re: #186 DrNaughty
And where do people come to around the world for healthcare ?
Not here, after Obama has his way.
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avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:22:54pm |
re: #178 Killian Bundy
/um, he predicted the unemployment rate wouldn’t exceed 8%, it’s going to hit double digits soon
You are correct, the depth of the recession was misjudged, no question.
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alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:23:00pm |
re: #186 DrNaughty
And where do people come to around the world for healthcare ?
* * * *
I’d fly to England for dental work! NOT.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:23:19pm |
Nancy Pelosi has a nice neck.
/must stop drinking
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jhrhv Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:23:21pm |
I liked it better when Bush spoke of security. Health care aint going to be a hill of beans if AQ pulls off a big job.
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cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:23:49pm |
Everyone agrees on regulating pre-existing conditions. We could have fixed that with overwhelming bi-partisan support months ago.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:23:51pm |
re: #197 alegrias
* * * *
I’d fly to England for dental work! NOT.
I lived in England for four years. I’m glad I had Air Force commissary priviledges and was able to go to France about once a month for a decent meal.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:02pm |
re: #198 Chekote
I think you’re being sarcastic, but that is NOT cool, dude.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:04pm |
I knew, I knew it, I knew it…here come the horror stories.
You want a horror movie, wait until your health is bureaucratized my friends.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:06pm |
re: #192 DrNaughty
What I fail to understand is why the government can provide BETTER insurance ?
It can’t. Obama is right that the insurance companies act in a rotten manner, but that requires better oversight, not a complete overhaul.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:08pm |
We’re the wealthiest country/nation…whatevah in the world?
uh-oh
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Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:11pm |
How do they calculate what is spent in other countries? Do they include the cost of people having to buy private insurance in order not to sit in waiting lines?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:18pm |
I would like to know where the money is going to come from to pay for this.
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ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:20pm |
He needs three teleprompters - one in the middle. Watching his head go from left to right and back to left, then right, left, right… is like watching a tennis match. Put a teleprompter in the middle.
He hasn’t said he’s read the bill yet.
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dwigg Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:22pm |
Did the auto dealers ever get their gov. monies for the clunkers?
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KingKenrod Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:25pm |
We should be hoping for a slow recovery. A fast recovery will cause supply problems and contribute (even more) to the coming inflation. The Fed needs more time to keep rates low and get people back to work.
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:29pm |
re: #197 alegrias
Simpsons: “The Big Book of British Smiles”
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:31pm |
Costs.
Let’s see if he mentions tort reform.
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MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:35pm |
I’m texting Nancy P. right now. If she’s into it…I may try sexting her. Watch her expression to see if she responds.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:40pm |
re: #194 avanti
You are correct, the depth of the recession was misjudged, no question.
/and we’re supposed to believe his estimated health care numbers?
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jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:48pm |
re: #163 pre-Boomer Marine brat
As a generic statement, WTF am I watching another political speech?
/jaded & cynical
You a addicted political junkie…
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alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:24:51pm |
re: #203 SummerSong
I don’t believe the economy is better…yet.
* * *
Neither do the 9.7% to 16% (realistic) UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:05pm |
How about malpractice reform to control costs, CBBHO?
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:12pm |
re: #206 cronus
Everyone agrees on regulating pre-existing conditions. We could have fixed that with overwhelming bi-partisan support months ago.
Fixing that and allowing insurance companies to sell policies over state lines does not give the government control over your life and does not insure your dependency on government
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KingKenrod Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:14pm |
re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Costs.
Let’s see if he mentions tort reform.
And pick a fight with trial lawyers? Never.
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kilroy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:19pm |
Is this about health insurance or the cost of health care.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:24pm |
re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Costs.
Let’s see if he mentions tort reform.
I have some interesting links about tort reform sent to me by a reader today.
Making a really good case that tort reform is NOT the answer some people think it is.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:31pm |
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:37pm |
re: #222 SummerSong
Uh, Ms. Pelosi, please ditch the
gumcud.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:38pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:38pm |
| 243 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:46pm |
re: #208 Charles
I am not a dude. And I don’t think Michelle is attractive or graceful. Just IMO.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:25:57pm |
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right_wing2 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:04pm |
re: #228 Dark_Falcon
Can’t happen- they’re in the pocket of Big Law Firms.
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alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:04pm |
re: #207 DrNaughty
I lived in England for four years. I’m glad I had Air Force commissary priviledges and was able to go to France about once a month for a decent meal.
* * * *
England was rationing sugar and meat YEARS after WWII because they were IN DEBT for WWII.
(My mom got her hand slapped for asking for a second sugar cube)
| 250 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:14pm |
I wish the fucking republicans would bring some real ideas instead of lies.
| 252 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:25pm |
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ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:26pm |
re: #234 Charles
I have some interesting links about tort reform sent to me by a reader today.
Making a really good case that tort reform is NOT the answer some people think it is.
it would help…
| 254 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:27pm |
re: #243 Chekote
I am not a dude. And I don’t think Michelle is attractive or graceful. Just IMO.
OK, fine, but if you post a comment like that again it will be your last at LGF.
| 255 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:28pm |
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borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:28pm |
Gosh, you mean the biggest out of control budget items, “not even close” are government run healthcare schemes? Duh! So, let’s have even more!
Upside down world.
| 257 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:30pm |
Finally, after all these months he wants to build on what works.
| 258 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:34pm |
re: #217 dwigg
Did the auto dealers ever get their gov. monies for the clunkers?
About 30%, still faster than most of my customers paid my receivables.
| 259 |
cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:39pm |
How bold! I won’t do what’s right because it is WAY too inconvenient.
| 260 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:43pm |
| 261 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:26:50pm |
Hey Lizards!
Why does Biden and Pelosi have to be in the screen when he speaks?
bleh, makes bleh worse
| 263 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:27pm |
MORE GUBMENT!! MORE GUBMENT!! PLEASE!!!
/
| 264 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:28pm |
re: #215 NJDhockeyfan
I would like to know where the money is going to come from to pay for this.
* * *
Look in the mirror, my friends. YOU and your children.
| 265 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:41pm |
re: #250 Sharmuta
They have. Check out Coburn, Ryan and Cantor’s plans.
| 266 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:43pm |
Nancy is very comfortable tonight. The blink rate is quite reasonable.
Not even close to the rate she achieved during Bush speeches.
| 268 |
jamgarr Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:47pm |
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avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:49pm |
re: #234 Charles
I have some interesting links about tort reform sent to me by a reader today.
Making a really good case that tort reform is NOT the answer some people think it is.
Not as big a money saver as some predict, but I would not object to tossing that bone to the right.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:27:52pm |
re: #257 Chekote
Finally, after all these months he wants to build on what works.
let’s wait to hear what he means by that before applauding.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:03pm |
Since he’s talking about the existing bills - does that mean that the plan to fix the horrible healthcare situation in the US doesn’t kick in until 2013?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:04pm |
re: #261 ggt
Hey Lizards!
Why does Biden and Pelosi have to be in the screen when he speaks?
bleh, makes bleh worse
biden doesn’t bother me much, but Pelosi a major minus. She’s a shrieking partisan harpy.
| 274 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:07pm |
I read where healthcare reform won’t take place until 2013. If it’s such a crisis, why not have it begin immediately?
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:07pm |
/no money
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:13pm |
re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar
MORE GUBMENT!! MORE GUBMENT!! PLEASE!!!
/
Government is your mother
Government is your father
Philosophy of the Democratic party. I see no ‘change’
| 278 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:20pm |
re: #212 Sharmuta
government intervention into industries inflate costs.
I think they’re doing a great job with GM and Chrysler.
/do I really need to
| 282 |
Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:32pm |
And then there are the Republicans, who just stumble along without a game plan …
| 284 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:39pm |
re: #266 Charles
Nancy is very comfortable tonight. The blink rate is quite reasonable.
Not even close to the rate she achieved during Bush speeches.
Botox?
| 286 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:44pm |
Bring the best ideas from both parties?
Good luck with that.
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Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:47pm |
Best Ideas of Both Party’s…that would be nice, but I ain’t holding my breathe.
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DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:28:53pm |
re: #274 ladycatnip
I read where healthcare reform won’t take place until 2013. If it’s such a crisis, why not have it begin immediately?
Because if obama can’t ram it though Congress now, he won’t get another chance…
| 291 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:02pm |
“Bringing people together, Now is the time, etc”
BHO is playing buzzword bingo.
| 292 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:03pm |
Now is the season for action — or, in typing — now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.
| 296 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:17pm |
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cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:30pm |
Curious, are the “best ideas of both parties” reflected in the current bills? I see a floor full of defeated Republican amendments that seem to indicate otherwise.
| 298 |
MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:31pm |
I think Nancy has been taking ‘Xanax For Eyes’. It’s new. And it seems to work
| 300 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:32pm |
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JustMyView Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:35pm |
re: #186 DrNaughty
And where do people come to around the world for healthcare ?
Look up medical tourism. 1.6 million Americams will go abroad for medical treatment this year.
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Gus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:37pm |
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Cato Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:40pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:29:55pm |
So far he hasn’t said anything new. He is still in sales pitch mode.
| 307 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:00pm |
Pelosi is having a religious experience. Look at her face.
| 308 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:02pm |
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:04pm |
re: #278 Truck Monkey
I think they’re doing a great job with GM and Chrysler.
/do I really need to
I noticed he talked about how the auto makers can’t compete …
| 313 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:14pm |
Well, no you won’t change because your employer will dump you into the government plan…
| 314 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:19pm |
re: #266 Charles
Nancy is very comfortable tonight. The blink rate is quite reasonable.
Not even close to the rate she achieved during Bush speeches.
The last time that automaton was fixed was just before Walt Disney died. I think she needs a complete frame off restoration.
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Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:27pm |
But what happens if my employer thinks otherwise?
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jamgarr Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:28pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
But we’re gonna stack the deck
| 319 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:29pm |
re: #301 JustMyView
What sort of medical care?
“Medical Tourism” is, I thought, people going out of the country for low-cost cosmetic surgery procedures.
| 320 |
Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:29pm |
re: #305 NJDhockeyfan
So far he hasn’t said anything new. He is still in
sales pitchcampaign mode.
ftfy
| 321 |
McJenny50 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:31pm |
re: #286 Sharmuta
Bring the best ideas from both parties?
Good luck with that.
Boehner told reporters that the president has not invited House GOP leaders to the White House for meetings on healthcare reform since the end of April.
Earlier this year, GOP leaders sent a letter to the president in May stating that they would like to work with the administration to find “common ground” on healthcare reform.
But the administration responded with a tersely worded letter indicating that they had healthcare reform under control.
| 322 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:35pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
Cool
| 323 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:36pm |
“Let me repeat … “
Repeating doesn’t make it more true.
Nothing in the plan requires you to change what you have?
Truly?
| 325 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:41pm |
| 327 |
Media_man Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:44pm |
What the hell is Obama yakking about? It’s just more DNC talking points. The country is bankrupt & his plan just makes it even more broke. His own (Democrat appointed) CBO Budget Director said as much. What a waste of time. Won’t have to change your plan? Who is he kidding, once my employer drops coverage I won’t have much of a choice, will I?
| 328 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:47pm |
Putting more mandates on insurance companies will kill the insurance industry
| 329 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:49pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
Until your company drops your plan cause the gov option is cheaper!
| 330 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:30:50pm |
re: #250 Sharmuta
How about more true free market reforms instead of more and more government? I’ve heard opening up the ability to buy insurance across state lines for one thing. I never knew that was illegal before. WTF? I’ve heard Republicans say that tort reform is sorely needed (like duh) and that’s probably the most significant thing of them all.
Those two alone are bigger and better than the boondoggle Obama and his cronies have in mind. And they’re not lies or pie in the sky nonsense either.
| 332 |
MJ Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:10pm |
“The issue with the public option is not whether you’d be required to give up your plan but whether private employers would dump their plans and private insurers would be driven from the marketplace, thereby herding the vast majority of us into a public plan. Also, the House plan itself makes clear what constitutes “coverage,” and if your plan doesn’t meet those requirements, you or your employer on your behalf will have to switch your plan. In short, this is hugely dishonest.”
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]
| 334 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:11pm |
| 335 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:13pm |
re: #283 jhrhv
The best ideas of both parties I like that.
* * *
You realize he means Olympia Snow’s flip floppy best ideas. NOT the GOP with whom he has not met since April, per GOP House leader John Boehner.
| 336 |
Cato Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:14pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
Except changing your job, losing your job, starting your own company, joining a union…
| 338 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:22pm |
| 339 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:23pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
If your company drops insurance as a benefit because you can get the same deal at Public Insurance Inc then what you had goes away.
| 340 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:25pm |
re: #328 Dar ul Harbarian
Putting more mandates on insurance companies will kill the insurance industry
General idea then the government steps in and takes control Which is exactly what the Left has wanted for the past 100 years
| 342 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:34pm |
There are several 2008 predictions on US and European medical tourism that still get repeated at conferences and in articles, without the speaker or writer bothering to find out the true current situation.The big prediction last year from Deloitte was that it expected 6 million US outbound medical tourists by 2010. Paul Keckley, director of Deloitte Center for Health Solutions recently drastically revised that projection to 1.6 million people. That compares to the estimated 750,000 Americans who travelled abroad in 2007 for treatment. The far higher predictions for 2012 and 2015 have been scrapped as healthcare reform and domestic medical tourism make it virtually impossible to make accurate predictions that far ahead.
[Link: www.imtjonline.com…]
| 344 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:45pm |
| 345 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:47pm |
Candy from Washington via Insurance mandates.
| 347 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:31:59pm |
All i’m hearing is the same old same old as we’ve heard for the past six months
| 348 |
Jack Burton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:00pm |
So people can get away with not paying until they need it? So the whole system collapse and public option is the only option left.
| 349 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:05pm |
re: #328 Dar ul Harbarian
Putting more mandates on insurance companies will kill the insurance industry
Agreed. These new conditions like his are intended to run private firms out of the insurance business.
| 350 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:12pm |
re: #337 Jetpilot1101
How much is this going to cost?
From what he is describing megabucks - and no profits for ins cos.
| 353 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:16pm |
re: #308 Charles
Except that it will soon become so damned expensive for you to keep that you’ll soon be begging for the government to come to your rescue.
| 354 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:17pm |
Required to cover at no additional charge…so, who does pick up the costs? The Ins companies? Taxpayers? Dr?
| 355 |
Right mind left Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:22pm |
HOW??? WHO PAYS AGAIN???
Let’s see this in writing.
| 357 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:26pm |
re: #297 cronus
Curious, are the “best ideas of both parties” reflected in the current bills? I see a floor full of defeated Republican amendments that seem to indicate otherwise.
* * * *
Dr. Howard Dean agrees with you, there’s NO TORT REFORM because Dems didn’t want any.
| 359 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:32pm |
| 360 |
Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:33pm |
Insurance companies will be required to pay up if you didn’t have coverage to begin with.
Sounds like the lottery to me.
| 361 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:35pm |
| 362 |
jhrhv Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:40pm |
Problem is there is not going to be a public health plan without new taxes. And probably high taxes at that. I just don’t see how else it could be paid for. Every nation with a government plan has much higher taxes then the US and I would wager it’s largley due to health care and Huge waste.
| 363 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:45pm |
Save money. Save lives.
BUT what about the children?!?
| 364 |
Randall Gross Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:45pm |
It all sounds great, but the Devil’s in the red dress behind him…
| 365 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:46pm |
Charles,
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
And you believe that?
| 366 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:50pm |
First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.What this plan will do is to make the insurance you have work better for you. Under this plan, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most. They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies – because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives.
That’s what Americans who have health insurance can expect from this plan – more security and stability.
Now, if you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans who don’t currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers. As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large companies and government employees get affordable insurance. It’s how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it’s time to give every American the same opportunity that we’ve given ourselves.
Arbitrary caps will be a thing of the past? How does that save costs?
No one should go broke because they get sick. Great. Who’s going to pay for that?
Preventative care isn’t going to save money as several studies have shown. If you have unfettered access to health care, you’re more likely to use it, meaning that the overall cost will go up, even if your own costs might go down (counterintuitive, I know).
| 367 |
MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:53pm |
He’s just gonna print more money. That’s all it will take. It’s easy.
| 368 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:32:54pm |
Government run anything is bullshit. How many times do they have to prove it?
| 370 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:00pm |
re: #357 alegrias
* * * *
Dr. Howard Dean agrees with you, there’s NO TORT REFORM because Dems didn’t want any.
No sense in upsetting the cash cows which contribute to the Democrats
| 372 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:23pm |
But the government doesn’t have to turn a profit so there really is no competition with the government option.
| 375 |
yenta-fada Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:33pm |
re: #328 Dar ul Harbarian
Putting more mandates on insurance companies will kill the insurance industry
My husband does marketing and pricing for insurance companies. He says insurance companies will make even more money with this health care plan.
| 376 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:39pm |
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
Government run anything is bullshit. How many times do they have to prove it?
Besides national defense and civil police.. none
| 377 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:42pm |
When he says that he, his family, congress, unions will be under the same insurance plan, maybe I’ll listen.
| 379 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:49pm |
| 380 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:49pm |
re: #351 Gus 802
Catching breast cancer and colon cancer?
I have to come back to this- catching these diseases early increases survival rates. These are check-ups that need to be done annually. I can’t stress enough how important it is, and how better off the patients are when it is caught early.
| 382 |
rain of lead Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:50pm |
so… what is the number of that bill
there are only four that I know of
| 383 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:02pm |
Insurance exchange with dying insurance companies…people will walk over to the government cheese line.
| 384 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:04pm |
re: #315 Dahveed
But what happens if my employer thinks otherwise?
* * * *
Or goes out of business as many are doing…
| 385 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:11pm |
Why doesn’t obama simply propose extending medicare to those who need it?
| 387 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:23pm |
In four years -so you’ll have to re-elect me to be sure it is implelented correctly.???
| 389 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:24pm |
He just said it’ll take 4 years to “get it right” - what about all those people he said were going to die?
| 391 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:29pm |
Well, at least he used the word competition. And he did meant giving normal people the same opportunities as Congress. That’s a good line and will go over well.
| 395 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:44pm |
re: #385 DrNaughty
Why doesn’t obama simply propose extending medicare to those who need it?
Public option, by any other name…
| 396 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:47pm |
| 397 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:55pm |
re: #389 ladycatnip
He just said it’ll take 4 years to “get it right” - what about all those people he said were going to die?
They need to just hang on for 4 years.
| 398 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:34:58pm |
Shop(McCainCare) until you stop.
uh-hu.
Got it.
| 400 |
joecitizen Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:10pm |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar my wife will never be the same after that comment.
| 402 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:13pm |
Waiting until 4 years goes by allows him to get re-elected without having to answer to the failures of his plan.
| 403 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:14pm |
What about free housing? What more fundamental right is there than to have a roof over your head. I want FREE housing NOW!
//
| 405 |
Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:24pm |
| 406 |
TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:27pm |
“Such irresponsible behavior cost all the rest of us money”
No fuckin’ shit.
| 408 |
MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:44pm |
will this plan cover pre-existing illegals as well?
| 410 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:44pm |
re: #402 Dar ul Harbarian
Waiting until 4 years goes by allows him to get re-elected without having to answer to the failures of his plan.
Exactly. That timing is not accidental.
| 412 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:47pm |
re: #391 Dark_Falcon
Well, at least he used the word competition. And he did meant giving normal people the same opportunities as Congress. That’s a good line and will go over well.
Yep, as will the co op.
| 414 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:35:58pm |
so give everyone Medicare which already exists. And leave the rest of us alone
| 416 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:00pm |
Auto insurance affects other people, health insurance only affects you.
| 417 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:01pm |
Now he’s into socialism mode. “Everyone does their part.” Bullshit.
| 419 |
mrbassman Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:05pm |
re: #396 NJDhockeyfan
Countdown to the Kennedy invocation. Get a drink ready.
| 420 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:09pm |
Mr. President!!! I drink and smoke!! What about me?!!!
| 421 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:09pm |
What? Now insurance is being used to used even the playing field in business?
| 423 |
freedomplow Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:19pm |
Sorry I’m not buying.
You aren’t forcing me to either.
| 425 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:33pm |
Here it comes … people who don’t get insurance (young) they are irresponsible.
OH NO! Everyone MUST carry health insurance.
| 426 |
Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:43pm |
If my health insurance cost me $800.00 a year, like my 2 cars, I am in. Yeah right.
| 427 |
jhrhv Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:43pm |
Wait till health care is free and everyone with a sore throat calls for a free ambulance ride to the hospital. Unforeseen cost will kill any savings.
| 428 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:49pm |
There is a serious constitutional issue with the federal government (or any government) mandating that individuals purchace insurance
| 429 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:50pm |
What about dying insurance companies…do they have to offer insurance to their employees?
| 430 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:57pm |
One mega ironing board and one hot iron required for those “details.”
| 432 |
SFGoth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:36:59pm |
re: #385 DrNaughty
Why doesn’t obama simply propose extending medicare to those who need it?
Why doesn’t he put up a border fence, with minefields, outlaw tobacco, make bike/motorcycle helmets mandatory, and force people to get under 20% body fat? That would go a long way towards deceasing health care costs. Oh, and you don’t spend a dime on lattes and drinks until you’ve put that money towards insurance.
| 433 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:00pm |
re: #416 Jetpilot1101
Auto insurance affects other people, health insurance only affects you.
Till you dip into your and my wallet.
| 434 |
huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:11pm |
There’s your nod to bi-partisanship , and F*** You very much, John McCain.
| 435 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:16pm |
This seems to be no different than a stump speech from last summer, or a healthcare townhall given in March or April…
| 436 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:22pm |
Apply for the ‘hardship’ thingy right off!
| 437 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:27pm |
re: #416 Jetpilot1101
Auto insurance affects other people, health insurance only affects you.
Not entirely true, but more right than wrong. And he is not bringing up a public option so far.
| 438 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:28pm |
Philosophically I think he gets little argument. The devil is in the inscrutible details of the ever-changing plan(s).
Call me old fashioned, but I don’t believe one single word any politician trots out there. A high minded speech is no substitute for the facts of the matter. Let’s have facts and not claims and no more of the rhetoric that begins with “I believe”, or “I have no doubt”.
He is hard selling a plan that no one even begins to comprehend. He is selling but I ain’t buying. Toss away the promises Mr. President, come back when you have something concrete to lay on the table.
| 440 |
Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:32pm |
Given all the misinformation spread over the last few months mainly by my Administration.
FTFY
| 441 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:33pm |
“…will greatly benefit all Americans” - watch out when politicians want to do what’s good for us.
| 442 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:33pm |
A trillion here and a trillion there and soon you are talking real money!
| 447 |
MadHamster Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:49pm |
let me cradle you to my presidential bussom and make it be okay
| 448 |
blastforth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:37:50pm |
Why should we still continue to pay for Medicare for the well-to-do? Let them by insurance like everyone else. In fact, why not put all the elderly under the same plan as everyone else?
| 451 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:02pm |
Go ahead and hate me but he’s RIGHT. There is a lot of sheer crap being circulated by the right wing, and the “death panel” thing is the worst.
| 453 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:05pm |
| 454 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:07pm |
Panels of bueracrats will ration care to bring down costs…pure and simple.
| 456 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:12pm |
re: #403 Truck Monkey
What about free housing? What more fundamental right is there than to have a roof over your head. I want FREE housing NOW!
//
Since Obama believes employers need to pay the majority of their employees health insurance, when is he going to suggest we also start paying a percentage of their mortgage?
| 457 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:14pm |
Good.
He called it “a lie, plain and simple”.
| 458 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:15pm |
I live in Florida, KILL THEM!!!
///
| 462 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:22pm |
| 464 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:27pm |
Now he’s going after Palin’s “death panels” line.
| 465 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:28pm |
re: #372 Jetpilot1101
But the government doesn’t have to turn a profit so there really is no competition with the government option.
* * * *
TRUE!
Government Post Office, 7 billion in debt. Still advertising “cheap” package business.
versus
Federal Express: Still profitable. Ads say “we understand you need to save money”.
| 466 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:28pm |
Palin as the foil. Big surprise there. Low hanging fruit.
| 468 |
SFGoth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:38:44pm |
re: #454 Dar ul Harbarian
Panels of bueracrats will ration care to bring down costs…pure and simple.
And first they’ll euthanize people who can’t spell bureaucrat.
| 470 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:02pm |
No illegals and no abortions, I like that.
| 471 |
mrbassman Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:04pm |
This is starting to sound like a townhall meeting. Complete with hecklers and signs.
| 473 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:11pm |
Death panels…”a lie plain and simple”. Well, what about all the cuts you want to make in cardiac care in Medicare? Who doesn’t get that heart transplant? This guy lies through his teeth.
| 476 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:19pm |
Why doesn’t he just admit that the Democrat’s goal here is a public option leading to a government single payer system?
/it’s not a secret
| 477 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:19pm |
re: #308 Charles
“If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who have insurance … nothing in this plan will require you to change what you have.”
In this plan? Which plan would that be? Obama’s plan? Baucus’ plan? HR3200? I’m curious, because the HR3200 did have a phase out plan that shifted people from nonqualified plans into the government proposal when those plans are reevaluated.
Moreover, he’s admitting that there are hundreds of millions who already have insurance. Again, if this is a crisis (and we have 300 million in the country), how and why exactly are we going to pursue a plan that provides such wholesale changes to health care delivery to increase coverage to a few million (out of the hundreds of millions that have care - his words, not mine).
| 479 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:25pm |
| 481 |
yenta-fada Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:29pm |
There are a lot of guys in the room not applauding and looking very gloomy. (republicans)
| 483 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:36pm |
re: #468 SFGoth
typing too fast to bother with spell checkings…sue me.
| 484 |
media_man Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:36pm |
This is just the same old nothing burger he’s been peddling as filet mignon for the past 9 months.
He’s still blaming critics as liars and questioning their motives.
Now he’s promising abortion will never be funded and it won’t cover illegals. Believe that?
| 485 |
cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:37pm |
And just as financially solvent as medicare and medicaid to…
| 486 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:41pm |
Administered by the gov’t—just like the post office, he should have said.
| 487 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:43pm |
| 488 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:44pm |
There is nothing in the bill that specifically says illegals will not be covered. Unless the bill says specifically that they won’t be covered, they eventually will.
| 490 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:51pm |
| 491 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:52pm |
Well if it’s just LIKE Medicaid and Medicare. then why not just EXTEND those programs ?
| 492 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:39:53pm |
| 496 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:11pm |
| 497 |
SFGoth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:16pm |
re: #483 Dar ul Harbarian
typing too fast to bother with spell checkings…sue me.
LOL, don’t tempt me. *I* don’t have to pay a lawyer to do that.
| 498 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:19pm |
re: #484 media_man
This is just the same old nothing burger he’s been peddling as filet mignon for the past 9 months.
He’s still blaming critics as liars and questioning their motives.
Now he’s promising abortion will never be funded and it won’t cover illegals. Believe that?
Cheeseburger
| 499 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:19pm |
Now he’s talking like a capitalist, competition when he’s a socialist who wants an even playing field. Again, another lie.
| 500 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:23pm |
re: #471 mrbassman
This is starting to sound like a townhall meeting. Complete with hecklers and signs.
I guess you never watched a presidential address when a republican was president.
| 502 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:25pm |
| 503 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:29pm |
re: #494 Jetpilot1101
Choice and competition, I like that to.
Allow insurance companies to sell thoughout the United States. Have a thousand choices…
| 504 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:34pm |
| 506 |
huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:37pm |
| 507 |
JustMyView Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:39pm |
re: #319 reine.de.tout
What sort of medical care?
“Medical Tourism” is, I thought, people going out of the country for low-cost cosmetic surgery procedures.
No, people do it for treatment of real medical problems too.
| 508 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:46pm |
So far, he is kicking ass, and I am all for what he has suggested.
It’s a market based solution that demands actual responsibility to do what is right.
Also calling out the lies of the GOP is where the backlash for the stupidity of publicly and cynically lying starts now.
Every independent and Dem in America just laughed at the GOP.
| 509 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:54pm |
| 510 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:40:55pm |
re: #503 DrNaughty
Allow insurance companies to sell thoughout the United States. Have a thousand choices…
Bingo…
| 512 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:01pm |
re: #488 HelloDare
There is nothing in the bill that specifically says illegals will not be covered. Unless the bill says specifically that they won’t be covered, they eventually will.
Exactly, and that makes this a lie by omission. Everyone knows illegals are still going to be treated.
| 513 |
beholden Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:04pm |
Kudos to the guy who just yelled and whiped that stupid grin off Nancy’s face (and almost made Obama slip and shows his horns).
| 514 |
Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:04pm |
Imagine that, a monopoly results in higher prices and poorer service.
And completely unlike the Post Office.
| 515 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:08pm |
re: #502 Dark_Falcon
And he’s a bigger liar than she is, by a long margin.
Sarah Palin’s “death panel” claim was a disgusting piece of blatant fear mongering.
| 516 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:08pm |
| 517 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:15pm |
re: #508 LudwigVanQuixote
So far, he is kicking ass, and I am all for what he has suggested.
It’s a market based solution that demands actual responsibility to do what is right.
Also calling out the lies of the GOP is where the backlash for the stupidity of publicly and cynically lying starts now.
Every independent and Dem in America just laughed at the GOP.
Then allow free market competition…
| 518 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:17pm |
Wait for it…here it comes…the winning proposal
| 519 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:25pm |
re: #489 iChef
Hill had to out RED Nancypants …
She likes bright colored pantsuits. It’s her favorite type of outfit.
| 520 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:27pm |
“No interest in putting insurance companies out of business”
Excellent
| 521 |
Gus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:27pm |
re: #487 Dark_Falcon
It’s not rude to boo BS.
Someone shouted “lie” from that side regarding the death panel comment.
| 523 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:34pm |
| 525 |
mrbassman Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:49pm |
He just wants to hold insurance companies “accountable”. Who holds all those czars accountable?
| 526 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:52pm |
And he is making the case deeply for why private insurance is not out to help you.
Damn straight, what is wrong with being held accountable? They are after all only playing with life and death.
| 527 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:41:58pm |
re: #480 buzzsawmonkey
Does the bill have any enforcement provisions to prevent illegals from gaining access to the system and getting a free ride? I doubt it, if HR 3200 is any guide.
| 529 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:04pm |
re: #515 Charles
Sarah Palin’s “death panel” claim was a disgusting piece of blatant fear mongering.
It was, but overall I think he lies more than she does.
| 532 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:11pm |
Well, if he now doesn’t want to put insurance companies out of business he must have recently changed his mind. Because he was for single payer. He is on record. Several times.
| 533 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:14pm |
re: #499 ladycatnip
Now he’s talking like a capitalist, competition when he’s a socialist who wants an even playing field. Again, another lie.
How would you like to be in business and your competition is the government, you know that outfit without a profit motive?
| 534 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:16pm |
Clearly he’s going with the government insurance program. sink or swim.
| 535 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:19pm |
Not for Profit? The Gubment? NO!!!
| 537 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:23pm |
re: #491 DrNaughty
Well if it’s just LIKE Medicaid and Medicare. then why not just EXTEND those programs ?
/because they’re tens of trillion in the hole already?
| 538 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:25pm |
I think Congress should be on the public option.
| 541 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:38pm |
re: #480 buzzsawmonkey
Not funding illegals and not paying for abortions? Just how does he propose to pull off that hat trick?
I believe there were amendments proposed specifically for not funding illegals and not funding abortions in the health care bill. Both were voted down by the Dems.
| 544 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:43pm |
re: #472 HoosierHoops
whoa…heckling
That’s how far we’ve gone down the divided road, heckling the POTUS at a joint session of Congress.
| 545 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:44pm |
| 546 |
captdiggs Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:53pm |
re: #451 Charles
Go ahead and hate me but he’s RIGHT.
He is, on all points.
There is one, just one, weak point.
With the new requirements under law for insurance companies…what stops them from raising the premiums to sky high levels to cover the additional risks and outlay?
| 547 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:53pm |
Public insurance will be self sufficient…Ha Ha…
| 549 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:42:56pm |
tax payers not funding it?
In the end, we always fund it… .
| 550 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:05pm |
Wasn’t social security supposed to be self-sufficient?
| 551 |
callahan23 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:06pm |
“Hold them accountable” means he is saying they are criminals, which they clearly are not.
| 552 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:11pm |
Overhead in the PRIVATE SECTOR? This guy is a hoot.
| 553 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:16pm |
| 554 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:18pm |
operative word: “it COULD provide”
| 555 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:21pm |
They might have the name ‘death panel’ but I can guarantee that they will have a MVA type gubmint worker or panel regulating end of life care. Call it what you will but the net/net on the deal is we as a nation will be sending grandma off to die in her 70’s because aggressive cancer or alzheimer treatment is simply too expensive for the government to shoulder the cost.
| 556 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:21pm |
The GBO said that his bill would not be self sufficient.
| 558 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:27pm |
Not-for-profit…ok, when there’s no profit, there’s no incentive. What doctor is going to practice that way when they have $$$ in medical mal-practice insurance, medical school fees, etc. Maybe barter? A chicken for a vaccine? A goat or potatoes for a mammogram?
| 561 |
cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:31pm |
CBO also says that under House public option provision at least 3 million with employer-based coverage would be forced into public option. Lewin Group estimates it to be closer to 90 million depending on the actual wording of the public option provision.
| 562 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:33pm |
To his credit, he is saying that taxpayer money should not be used to support the “public option”.
| 563 |
The Curmudgeon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:41pm |
Am I the only one here who isn’t watching him?
| 564 |
iChef Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:42pm |
Public Insurance will really work just like Fannie and Freddie … trust me …
| 565 |
Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:43pm |
The government can do it cheaper than private industry?
ROTFLMFAO.
| 567 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:48pm |
re: #556 HelloDare
The GBO said that his bill would not be self sufficient.
Doesn’t matter. He’s selling what he wants to sell. Facts are not important
| 569 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:50pm |
re: #527 lawhawk
Does the bill have any enforcement provisions to prevent illegals from gaining access to the system and getting a free ride? I doubt it, if HR 3200 is any guide.
* * * *
Si Se Puede.
| 570 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:43:58pm |
re: #508 LudwigVanQuixote
So far, he is kicking ass, and I am all for what he has suggested.
It’s a market based solution that demands actual responsibility to do what is right.
Also calling out the lies of the GOP is where the backlash for the stupidity of publicly and cynically lying starts now.
Every independent and Dem in America just laughed at the GOP.
The government caused the problems we have with insurance. They are not fit to reform the system.
| 572 |
TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:03pm |
LOL @ encouraging competition.
Who are you trying to fool, dude?
| 573 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:05pm |
| 574 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:06pm |
re: #550 Athos
Wasn’t social security supposed to be self-sufficient?
Yep, till the baby boomers were born.
| 575 |
mrbassman Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:06pm |
| 576 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:07pm |
I want to know how the public option will be funded.
| 577 |
sngnsgt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:08pm |
re: #539 Sharmuta
I want nancy pelosi’s insurance.
Her auto insurance pays for all the bodywork she’s had on her face.
| 578 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:13pm |
re: #481 yenta-fada
There are a lot of guys in the room not applauding and looking very gloomy. (republicans)
I like your nic.
| 579 |
blastforth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:19pm |
If some one else is paying for it, we want too much healthcare.
| 580 |
rain of lead Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:23pm |
da man can give a good speech
ain’t said crap but he gives a good speech
| 581 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:26pm |
re: #565 Erik The Red
The government can do it cheaper than private industry?
ROTFLMFAO.
Quite Concur.
| 582 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:28pm |
re: #519 Dark_Falcon
She likes bright colored pantsuits. It’s her favorite type of outfit.
the female politicians usually wear patriotic colors men have to reserve to only their ties. I’ve seen some outfits that aren’t necessarily patriotic —Shirley Jackson Lee for example. The First Lady gets to wear whatever she wants.
seems to be the rules
| 583 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:36pm |
If you believe him, he makes sense. But based on his past statements and actions, you can’t believe him.
| 584 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:36pm |
only 5% will sign up
/until the deficit spending goverment subsidies (taxpayer money) undercuts the private insurance market out of the competition
| 585 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:37pm |
re: #576 wee fury
I want to know how the public option will be funded.
How much $$$ do you have in your bank account ?
| 586 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:38pm |
re: #515 Charles
Sarah Palin’s “death panel” claim was a disgusting piece of blatant fear mongering.
She should have just called it what it is… rationing. Whether by private insurance or by government.
| 587 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:39pm |
#515 Charles
Sarah Palin’s “death panel” claim was a disgusting piece of blatant fear mongering.
As was Obama’s “more people will die…” - total fear tactic and worse than Palin’s. She’s not prez, nor does she hold office.
| 588 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:42pm |
OK - if he and all government fat cats take it - no exceptions - I’m willing to look at it. All else is BS.
| 589 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:46pm |
To my progressive friends…it’s coming. Be patient.
| 590 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:48pm |
No mention of “public Option” - that tanked.
Of course the leftists still want it.
It’s funny to see how far Obama has had to move away from the far left on this.
| 591 |
Kreuzueber Halbmond Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:48pm |
Your ass is in the sling, and a government agency is making decisions about your health care. You are denied life saving treatment due to cost considerations. To everyone but you, it is not a death panel.
| 593 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:54pm |
We can’t work together Barack, because I don’t trust you.
| 594 |
TheMatrix31 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:44:56pm |
WORK TOGTHER?!
Boehner says you haven’t “worked together” since APRIL!
| 595 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:04pm |
re: #570 Wendya
The government caused the problems we have with insurance. They are not fit to reform the system.
That is hardly completely true and even if it were, then they would be the only ones who could fix it…
Ohhh good jab about not lying and actually trying to be substantive…
| 596 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:04pm |
re: #583 HelloDare
If you believe him, he makes sense. But based on his past statements and actions, you can’t believe him.
Joe Izuzu…
| 597 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:05pm |
Yadda, yadda, yadda,
Show me the bill.
Give us time to read it.
No 300 page 3am day of the vote addendum.
No place holders.
All federal employees, from POTUS, Congress on down are on the Public Option.
| 598 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:09pm |
re: #544 avanti
That’s how far we’ve gone down the divided road, heckling the POTUS at a joint session of Congress.
* * *
Born Yesterday, you’ve got to be kidding.
| 599 |
LSD Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:10pm |
Interstate competition, reform pricing abuse, provide assistance to those with pre-existing conditions or will go/are bankrupt from health care costs - and leave the rest of us 300 million Americans the hell alone!
| 600 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:12pm |
Look! He just reached accross the aisle!
*snort*
| 601 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:15pm |
Is that a “blood red” pantsuit Hillary is wearing tonight?
| 602 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:27pm |
re: #523 alegrias
* * * *
It should be REALITY, the NORM.
would that give the fed to have even more control thru the “commerce” clause?
| 603 |
mrbassman Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:29pm |
There it is: “I will not back down” from the public option.
| 604 |
Randall Gross Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:33pm |
Now he’s talking triggers and telling progressives not to make it their red line if they want to get anything done
| 605 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:34pm |
re: #601 jorline
Is that a “blood red” pantsuit Hillary is wearing tonight?
Thank GOD she’s not showing her legs
| 607 |
sngnsgt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:43pm |
re: #563 The Curmudgeon
I’m just in the other room listening, I can’t stand watching Pelosi jump up and down waving her pom-pom’s.
| 608 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:43pm |
Only goes into effect where insurance companies don’t provide affordable coverage? Who defines affordable? If the private companies can’t make a profit at that price - they will not sell, and the public option becomes it…
| 609 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:44pm |
re: #507 JustMyView
No, people do it for treatment of real medical problems too.
People do medical tourism within the US too. They go to NYC to Memorial Sloan Kettering for cancer care or Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic, or any number of major medical centers around the country that provide better care than they might receive back home - even if the care back home is top-notch.
After all, Sen. Kennedy went to NC to go seek medical attention there, rather than Mass. Gen, which is one of the top hospitals in Mass.
| 610 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:45pm |
re: #600 The Shadow Do
Look! He just reached accross the aisle!
*snort*
And you just rejected it… SNORT
| 611 |
callahan23 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:52pm |
“Ultimate goal”
i.e.
“Ultimate socialist goal”
or
“Ultimate governmental goal”
| 612 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:45:54pm |
He’s definitely a salesman, but what would we expect from a professional community organizer?
| 613 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:00pm |
re: #601 jorline
Is that a “blood red” pantsuit Hillary is wearing tonight?
She wants to be noticed.
| 618 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:21pm |
that shout-out about protecting us from “bureaucrats” was pure political B.S. posturing.
| 622 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:30pm |
| 623 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:32pm |
he wont sign a plan that ads one dime to our deficits…LOL…Take my wife…Please…hahahaha!
| 624 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:33pm |
It won’t add one dime, but a couple trillion dimes.
| 625 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:36pm |
Here’s how we pay! Not one dime to the deficit…oh, except that first TRILLION! What a liar.
| 629 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:41pm |
If if you believe what I say, then you believe I never knew Rev. Wright was a racist anti-Semite.
| 630 |
media_man Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:42pm |
He’s going to make sure no gov’t or insurance paper pusher gets between you and your doctor. If you believe that you are too stupid to live.
| 631 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:44pm |
re: #609 lawhawk
People do medical tourism within the US too. They go to NYC to Memorial Sloan Kettering for cancer care or Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic, or any number of major medical centers around the country that provide better care than they might receive back home - even if the care back home is top-notch.
After all, Sen. Kennedy went to NC to go seek medical attention there, rather than Mass. Gen, which is one of the top hospitals in Mass.
They do it here in Atlata also Emory Medical gets a great deal of foreign patients..
On the other hand. Grady Hospital. which is government run and funded, is almost bankrupt.
| 633 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:49pm |
So far I don’t think the speech is going well. He seemed unsure in a few spots.
| 635 |
Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:52pm |
re: #623 Dar ul Harbarian
he wont sign a plan that ads one dime to our deficits…LOL…Take my wife…Please…hahahaha!
So what are we doing here again??
/
| 636 |
Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:52pm |
Well if he reads and understands what he reads 44 will not be signing any bill.
| 637 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:54pm |
I keep feeling I’ve seen the speech a few times before. I thought he was supposed to get specific.
| 641 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:46:59pm |
Now he’s saying he won’t raise the deficit. Here comes the tax hikes. Guard your wallets.
| 649 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:16pm |
| 650 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:20pm |
He was doing pretty well until that statement.
| 651 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:21pm |
OK, he just got me. He just personally guaranteed that bureaucrats will not come between me and my health care!
Phew, I feel better after hearing that.
| 652 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:25pm |
and who’s fault is that? not paid for - CONGRESS!
| 653 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:30pm |
One dime to the deficit - he wont’ sing.
Well then, he cannot sign it.
Notice Obama doesn’t mention promising NOT adding one dime to our tax burden.
“tax breaks for the wealthy” - had to get that one in - and “the Iraq war”
| 654 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:30pm |
Here we go. Blame Bush and the Iraq War for everything.
| 655 |
jhrhv Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:31pm |
Actually the red tie with white stripes sort of looks like a barbers pole. They used to do medical treatments also.
| 657 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:35pm |
re: #626 Sharmuta
Not going to add to the deficit- good luck with that.
AHA - and here comes the real Dem talking points.
| 658 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:35pm |
He won’t sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit - but he’s not saying he won’t sign it if it will raise our taxes.
| 659 |
Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:36pm |
How will you know if it adds to the deficit? Most of the spending will be long after you leave office?
| 660 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:36pm |
Standard stump speech again…
How many spending bills in 07-08 did you vote for as Senator Mr President?
| 662 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:37pm |
Earth to Obama…
Tax breaks do not cost the government one goddamn cent.
| 663 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:38pm |
re: #567 DrNaughty
Doesn’t matter. He’s selling what he wants to sell. Facts are not important
he is selling: himself.
| 665 |
cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:47pm |
REALLLYYY???
House Democrat Health Bill Adds to Budget Deficit, CBO Says l
| 669 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:51pm |
The entire costs for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars thus far would fund his healthcare plan for about 3 months after a few years.
| 671 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:47:58pm |
LOL Government “Savings”
Fix the “waste and abuse” first before generating more of it…
| 672 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:03pm |
The Senate must move legislation to raise the federal debt limit beyond $12.1 trillion by mid-October, a move viewed as necessary despite protests about the record levels of red ink.[Link: thehill.com…]
| 677 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:16pm |
re: #636 Erik The Red
Well if he reads and understands what he reads 44 will not be signing any bill.
LOL! Agreed.
| 678 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:17pm |
re: #664 Sharmuta
I’m all for getting rid of waste and abuse.
And the government has such a track record of doing so…
//
| 679 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:18pm |
I think someone placed a tack on Ms. Speakers seat…every time she sits down she pops back up.
| 681 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:24pm |
| 682 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:28pm |
Promise no tax increases, Obama - I DARE YOU.
Medicare is broke, you idiot.
| 683 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:32pm |
He’s not going to add a dime to the deficit?
/you know, except for that $9 trillion, what a comedian
| 685 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:38pm |
re: #664 Sharmuta
I’m all for getting rid of waste and abuse.
And the Federal Government is just the institution to do it!
| 687 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:39pm |
re: #658 ladycatnip
He won’t sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit - but he’s not saying he won’t sign it if it will raise our taxes.
He’s going to tax businesses, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc…
He is a slick prevaricator.
| 688 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:42pm |
re: #678 Athos
And the government has such a track record of doing so…
//
Yeah- we should go after Congress next.
| 690 |
Jim in Virginia Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:48:52pm |
re: #563 The Curmudgeon
Am I the only one here who isn’t watching him?
I’m not either. Reading comments is more fun and better for my blood pressure.
Has he come out for tort reform yet?
| 691 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:00pm |
Sacred trust? Doesn’t he me Sacred Debt?
| 692 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:00pm |
| 694 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:07pm |
re: #682 FrogMarch
Promise no tax increases, Obama - I DARE YOU.
Medicare is broke, you idiot.
Not just broke, a $50 Trillion hole.
| 695 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:07pm |
| 696 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:08pm |
How about waste and fraud in welfare? Lots of money to save there.
| 697 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:11pm |
re: #669 borgcube
What are you talking about . Don’t you know that what we spent on Iraq can pay for EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN?
/sarc
| 698 |
JohnH Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:16pm |
re: #683 Killian Bundy
He’s not going to add a dime to the deficit?
/you know, except for that $9 trillion, what a comedian
At this point, why change how he’s acting
| 699 |
Jack Burton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:22pm |
re: #690 Jim in Virginia
Don’t hold your breath.
| 704 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:32pm |
Hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud … WAIT A MINUTE!!. Fix the waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid! They’re full of it.
His nose continues to grow.
| 706 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:38pm |
| 707 |
samk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:39pm |
re: #655 jhrhv
Actually the red tie with white stripes sort of looks like a barbers pole. They used to do medical treatments also.
Didn’t they bleed people?
| 709 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:43pm |
| 710 |
Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:44pm |
What about curbing the $200-300 Billion in defensive medicine?
| 711 |
huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:44pm |
re: #681 DrNaughty
THIS IS JUST PATHETIC!
He has nothing else but rhetoric.
Facts just aren’t there…
I can’t wait to see the poll dip tomorrow.
| 712 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:46pm |
When do we get to the part about the free unicorns?
| 713 |
jcm Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:48pm |
re: #696 Sharmuta
How about waste and fraud in welfare? Lots of money to save there.
Waste and fraud everywhere in gov’t.
| 714 |
Greengolem64 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:50pm |
re: #691 Dar ul Harbarian
Sacred trust? Doesn’t he me Sacred
DebtCOW?
| 715 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:50pm |
George Bush bad. Insurance companies bad.
Damn good to know.
| 716 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:50pm |
re: #679 jorline
I think someone placed a tack on Ms. Speakers seat…every time she sits down she pops back up.
Guilty.
| 717 |
blastforth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:53pm |
He’s promising far more than he can deliver.
| 718 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:49:58pm |
| 720 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:04pm |
You know, the trust fund that’s in the lockbox that’s under the unicorn.
| 721 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:07pm |
He needs to fire his speech writer. This is bad.
| 722 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:07pm |
re: #705 buzzsawmonkey
“Medicare Trust Fund?” Is that not just as much a fiction as the “Social Security Trust Fund” that has never existed, except to be plundered by Congress?
At least he hasn’t called it a ‘lockbox’…
| 724 |
vtsurgeon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:12pm |
I have very little faith in panels of medical experts (speaking as a medical expert.)
| 725 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:13pm |
re: #704 ladycatnip
Hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud … WAIT A MINUTE!!. Fix the waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid! They’re full of it.
His nose continues to grow.
That is why my screen is cracking.
| 726 |
sandspur Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:19pm |
Medicare is full of waste, fraud, and abuse. Uhh, isn’t it a government-run health care plan?
| 728 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:34pm |
No, that will happen shortly after your watch, as the next administration struggles to keep this anvil afloat.
| 729 |
sagehen Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:35pm |
re: #565 Erik The Red
The government can do it cheaper than private industry?
ROTFLMFAO.
Military contractors cost 3-4 times as much as soldiers. Do you really think they’re doing a superior job?
| 730 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:35pm |
Privatized voucher program - that sounds like a step in the right direction - No wonder Obama hates it.
| 731 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:35pm |
Is anyone besides the people who are going to get free healthcare paid for by me actually buying this bullshit?
| 733 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:37pm |
re: #717 blastforth
He’s promising far more than he can deliver.
Don’t lift the hood of the car he’s trying to sell you.. It just needs to get off the lot before it breaks down…
| 736 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:39pm |
“I will protect Medicare!” Another lie. He’s already begun to cut benefits.
| 737 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:39pm |
| 738 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:44pm |
Wait, having actual doctors look into this and make suggestions, you mean having people that actually know what they are talking about look into this?
OMG!
That is un-American!
We only let political hacks talk about complicated policies that they know nothing about.
And damn straight about the lies the GOP has given about medicare.
| 739 |
Gray Skies Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:44pm |
re: #563 The Curmudgeon
I’m not. The man is far too manipulative (in my opinion) to be believed.
| 740 |
huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:50:50pm |
| 741 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:02pm |
They’re talking about assassinating Obama at the stalker site.
6. Bill Jenkins on 9 September, 2009 at 3:26 pm reply
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson.Chalk this clown as one of the tyrants.
| 742 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:02pm |
re: #708 ted
Can’t have it both ways…
No, but he try to fool the guilible into believing that he can. Now he’s talking about “change” again.
| 743 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:04pm |
He says our “benefits” won’t be cut.
But what about the care we get from our medical providers?
Our “benefits” can stay what they are, but if the number of doctors providing care doesn’t match the number of people needing care, people will go without care, regardless of what our “benefits” are.
| 745 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:11pm |
re: #731 borgcube
Is anyone besides the people who are going to get free healthcare paid for by me actually buying this bullshit?
Who do you think are the obama supporters ?
| 746 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:13pm |
| 747 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:17pm |
We have been writing checks we can’t cash for decades
| 748 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:25pm |
| 749 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:29pm |
WE are going to lose doctors. As it is they can barely afford to stay in business. If the money isn’t going to come from tax dollars or increased premiums, it will come from physician’s fees.
| 750 |
MJ Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:30pm |
The campaign speech was much stronger in the beginning than it is now.
| 751 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:31pm |
| 754 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:50pm |
re: #726 sandspur
Medicare is full of waste, fraud, and abuse. Uhh, isn’t it a government-run health care plan?
Now picture that program expanded to 1/6 of our economy.
| 755 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:57pm |
There is no way that fraud and waste can pay for all this.
| 756 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:57pm |
re: #747 karmic_inquisitor
We have been writing checks we can’t cash for decades
The problem is that the Communist Chinese are not wanting to pay the overdrafts much longer…
| 757 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:51:59pm |
re: #712 Wendya
When do we get to the part about the free unicorns?
He had to cut that from the bill. Their farts contribute to AGW.
| 758 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:00pm |
For a man with an empty wallet and maxed out credit cards, he sure seems to have a lot of money to spend.
/worn out platitudes and unicorn farts
| 759 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:00pm |
I guess if you just listen to the voice and cadence and ignore what he’s actually saying, this could be said to be a good speech. If you’re even partially informed, it’s a pile of garbage.
| 760 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:03pm |
re: #729 sagehen
Military contractors cost 3-4 times as much as soldiers. Do you really think they’re doing a superior job?
Once again, you old socialist, you don’t know what you;re talking about.
| 762 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:13pm |
Come on Mr. President, come out for tort reform!
| 763 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:18pm |
re: #741 Charles
They’re talking about assassinating Obama at the stalker site.
Oh dear G-d… He is a tyrant for talking about the abuses in the current system and wanting to help people?
Even if he is completely wrong about it, Tyrants don’t talk like this.
| 764 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:18pm |
This plan sounds so good, maybe congress should adopt it for their coverage.
| 766 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:28pm |
| 767 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:31pm |
ooo the trial lawyers are booing.
No takey our lunch money you evil rethugs.
| 768 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:32pm |
re: #749 ggt
Exactly. I tried to make the point a bit earlier - it doesn’t matter what our “benefits” are if there are insufficient doctors able to provide service.
| 771 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:35pm |
The Commission…
We got one of them in NY.
They really aren’t nice guys.
| 772 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:37pm |
re: #718 Charles
Not gonna happen.
Probably not, it’s been stable for 6 weeks in the 49-56 % approval range depending on the poll. he may gets a 1-3 point bump.
| 773 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:38pm |
| 774 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:43pm |
Anyone got a bridge for sale? - here’s the guy to promote it.
Media has to be eating this up - polls up tomorrow. The fog will lift in time I hope.
| 775 |
media_man Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:46pm |
Now he’s talking about how he will appoint a panel of Doctors and political hacks to figure out how to pay for all of this out of cutting the waste out of Medicare. Isn’t this just another term for “Death Panel”? No more quadruple bypass operations for Grandma. Doesn’t anyone understand this?
| 776 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:46pm |
There you go, folks. Malpractice insurance.
| 777 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:47pm |
He just brought up malpractice reforms and the whole congress applauded.
| 778 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:59pm |
| 779 |
sngnsgt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:59pm |
I’m disabled and on medicare, what does this do for me Barry? (Except of course cost me more money)
| 780 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:52:59pm |
Tort!
Obama may just have a hope of getting something done.
| 781 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:00pm |
| 783 |
Randall Gross Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:03pm |
Kham, you just going to ding down Charles and not tell us why?
| 784 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:05pm |
re: #738 LudwigVanQuixote
Down dinged you because Medicaid is in dire fiscal shape. It is rife with fraud and abuse, and if you’re serious about fixing health care delivery in the country, that would be a good place to start.
After all, hundreds of millions in the country already have health care (Obama’s words, not mine).
| 785 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:16pm |
re: #747 karmic_inquisitor
We have been writing checks we can’t cash for decades
Now the bad checks are about 4 times bigger than under the Bush Regime.
| 786 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:22pm |
re: #750 MJ
Yeah, as soon as he got to the part how providing taxpayer healthcare to every person who wants it is going to be such a money saver.
| 787 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:23pm |
No tort reform. He’s dancing all around the issue and avoiding actually committing to it.
| 788 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:23pm |
“Not a silver bullet”
We will save those for the Werewolves.
| 791 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:32pm |
Here it comes…medical malpractice laws. Defensive medicine contributing to medical costs…hmmm. Doublespeak. What in the sam hill is he talking about.
| 792 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:36pm |
re: #784 lawhawk
Down dinged you because Medicaid is in dire fiscal shape. It is rife with fraud and abuse, and if you’re serious about fixing health care delivery in the country, that would be a good place to start.
After all, hundreds of millions in the country already have health care (Obama’s words, not mine).
And he just talked about having actual doctors look into cleaning it up.
| 793 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:39pm |
Malpractice law reform? He just dodged around it. No hope for that.
| 794 |
KingKenrod Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:40pm |
He’s got to win seniors over.
Anyone think he did it?
| 795 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:41pm |
| 796 |
JohnH Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:50pm |
There’s the war again.
And the wealthy who already pay most of the taxes
| 797 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:54pm |
re: #787 Wendya
No tort reform. He’s dancing all around the issue and avoiding actually committing to it.
I’d bet money that he doesn’t do a speech to a Joint Session of Congress demanding it…
| 799 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:55pm |
Is that the second time he’s tossed in “Iraq”?
/just askin’
| 800 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:53:55pm |
900 billion over ten years! oh joy!
tax increases for you wealthy bastardos.
| 801 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:00pm |
Once again, Mr President: Tax cuts do not cost the government one freaking cent!
| 802 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:05pm |
re: #784 lawhawk
Down dinged you for missing actually having experts work the problem to clean it up.
| 803 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:07pm |
re: #777 Dark_Falcon
He just brought up malpractice reforms and the whole congress applauded.
Half of that was jeers, it sounded like.
| 804 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:09pm |
re: #800 FrogMarch
900 billion over ten years! oh joy!
tax increases for you wealthy bastardos.
…and everyone else.
| 805 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:17pm |
re: #800 FrogMarch
900 billion over ten years! oh joy!
tax increases for you wealthy bastardos.
Class warfare is a staple of leftist politics…
| 807 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:26pm |
He gave a 900 Billion estimate over ten years. I wonder which ex-Arthur Anderson accountants came up with that estimate.
| 809 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:31pm |
I just think doctors should be able to afford their insurance too.
| 812 |
MJ Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:41pm |
“Money badly spent”…
In other words, it’s money not spent by Obama.
| 813 |
kham Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:44pm |
re: #776 Charles
There you go, folks. Malpractice insurance.
I’ll believe it when I see it in the bill
| 814 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:45pm |
re: #807 Dark_Falcon
He gave a 900 Billion estimate over ten years. I wonder which ex-Arthur Anderson accountants came up with that estimate.
The ones who worked for Enron
| 815 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:50pm |
Less than I have spent since breakfast today…
| 816 |
Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:54:55pm |
re: #705 buzzsawmonkey
“Medicare Trust Fund?” Is that not just as much a fiction as the “Social Security Trust Fund” that has never existed, except to be plundered by Congress?
/scores of trillion in unfunded mandates, many times our yearly GDP, where’s that money going to come from?
| 817 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:01pm |
re: #797 DrNaughty
I’d bet money that he doesn’t do a speech to a Joint Session of Congress demanding it…
Do you know how much money the democrats get from trial lawyers?
They are not going to kill the golden goose.
| 818 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:02pm |
Welcome to more tax and spend…we get taxed, they get to spend…
Did he ever take a math course?
| 820 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:07pm |
Enthusiasm sells - he’s doing very well on that.
But I do not believe him for a unicorns heartbeat.
| 821 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:09pm |
Ah, the vaguery of imaginary cost saving measures. Solves all. In your eye CBO!
| 822 |
duck of peace Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:17pm |
Jesus Christ, is there ANYTHING this reform wont do? Will it wash my car? Clean my teeth?
According To Oboma-man, it Will!
| 824 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:20pm |
He did not deliver his last line forcefully. He is losing steam.
| 825 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:23pm |
He’ll be there to listen to serious proposals. “My door is always open.”
It’s just one of many promises and assurances he’s made tonight that I can’t trust to be kept. Like more transparency, sunlight before signing, reaching across the aisle …
| 826 |
Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:26pm |
His door is always open? I’ll just get my ticket to DC now. I have some serious ideas.
Did he bother to tell the Secret Service this? They might want to know.
| 827 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:32pm |
Oh no, the special interests are getting EXACTLY what they want.
| 828 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:33pm |
He’s all over the place. He’s talking as if there’s some detailed plan but in the next breath he talks about creating a new plan.
| 830 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:38pm |
re: #821 The Shadow Do
Ah, the vaguery of imaginary cost saving measures. Solves all. In your eye CBO!
This is just like the number of “jobs saved” by the stimulus..
| 831 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:39pm |
HE is reaching out again.
And he is not going to take any more crap with the lies. GOP must put up or shut up.
| 833 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:45pm |
If you vote for it you are my friend…if not you are my enemy.
Ah, bipartisanship Chicago style…you surrender to me or you are the problem…
| 834 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:46pm |
re: #803 haakondahl
Half of that was jeers, it sounded like.
More like a 1/4. Most of those are in the trial lawyer’s top pocket.
Now railing against “special interests”.
[groan]
| 836 |
rain of lead Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:47pm |
i look for a dead cat bounce in the polls
small uptick then crash
| 837 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:49pm |
You get ObamaCare whether you like it or not.
Cool.
| 838 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:55:57pm |
| 839 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:09pm |
re: #763 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh dear G-d… He is a tyrant for talking about the abuses in the current system and wanting to help people?
Even if he is completely wrong about it, Tyrants don’t talk like this.
I think they do (at leasr in the beginning when they are talking to “their” citiazens) —Hitler, Mussolini, Chavez, Ammadinnerjacket … Benevolent socialism …
| 840 |
Truck Monkey Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:09pm |
re: #798 buzzsawmonkey
Soak the rich!
I have never gotten a job from a poor guy. Have you?
just sayin…
| 842 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:14pm |
Uh oh. Here comes the scaremongering.
I thought only the GOP did that!
| 843 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:20pm |
He just warned anyone who disagrees with his health care plan with a veiled threat.
| 849 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:37pm |
re: #826 Lawrior
His door is always open? I’ll just get my ticket to DC now. I have some serious ideas.
Better tell him you’re a democrat.
| 850 |
Lawrior Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:39pm |
Wait, how is the deficit any part of this discussion? Even assuming that this plan won’t add to the deficit (snort), how will adding services for millions LOWER THE DEFICIT?
| 852 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:40pm |
Ted Kennedy reference.
YOu knew it was coming.
| 853 |
Dahveed Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:42pm |
No special interests? Does that include the trial lawyers?
| 856 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:47pm |
re: #801 Wendya
Once again, Mr President: Tax cuts do not cost the government one freaking cent!
Notice he hasn’t mentioned tax increases - just the standard leftist line: “tax cuts for the rich..blah blah blah…”
| 859 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:56:52pm |
re: #831 LudwigVanQuixote
HE is reaching out again.
And he is not going to take any more crap with the lies. GOP must put up or shut up.
* * *
PSSST, it’s the BLUE DOGS (democrats) who don’t buy Obama’s plan.
| 861 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:02pm |
re: #842 Occasional Reader
Uh oh. Here comes the scaremongering.
I thought only the GOP did that!
Bad…
| 862 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:03pm |
re: #843 NJDhockeyfan
He just warned anyone who disagrees with his health care plan with a veiled threat.
No — he said if you spread distortions he’ll call you out. Not just disagree.
| 865 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:08pm |
| 868 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:21pm |
re: #837 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
You get ObamaCare whether you like it or not.
Cool.
I’m glad I’m retired Air Force. However I live about 100 miles from Robins AFB so I rarely go to the medical facilities there… If this passes I’ll be moving close to Macon or wherever a base is…
| 869 |
nomanisan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:24pm |
I do not count on my government to provide me with a thing. People who expect their government to take care of them should return to serfdom.
| 870 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:31pm |
There it is: “and more will die as a result. We know these things to be true.”
FEAR tactic. If he believed that assinine statement this bill would be in immediate effect.
GUILT tactic … using Teddy Kennedy.
What a manipulator.
| 871 |
Born Again Republican Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:41pm |
Didn’t he figure to add hundreds of thousands of job to the market? Hasn’t worked that way. Don’t trust that he has his figures right with health care either.
| 872 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:45pm |
I hope the Republican response has some moving anecdotes.
| 875 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:57:58pm |
And here comes the litany of scare em into compliance.
“more Americans will be dead”
Cheap, cheap pitch. Let’s wind it up with some more horror stories. Come on America, are you hard hearted, are you immoral
| 876 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:01pm |
re: #862 Charles
No — he said if you spread distortions he’ll call you out. Not just disagree.
Wouldn’t anything you say in opposition to his plan be considered a distortion?
| 877 |
Randall Gross Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:03pm |
This is a hail Mary speech for Obama. He was on the ropes, I suspect that this will succeed in getting him off.
| 879 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:08pm |
No he calls health care reform “social justice”. That drives me away from him more than almost anything else.
| 880 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:13pm |
re: #839 ggt
I think they do (at leasr in the beginning when they are talking to “their” citiazens) —Hitler, Mussolini, Chavez, Ammadinnerjacket … Benevolent socialism …
Except that he is not a tyrant. He is so very clearly not one. I may not agree with all he says, but he is not some evil monster like the jacket.
Come on, Obama wants to do something good for people - it may or may not come out right, and his ideas may or may not be the best, I don’t know, I need to see and think about the actual bill, but call him a tyrant for wanting social justice and fair health care?
| 881 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:14pm |
re: #869 nomanisan
I do not count on my government to provide me with a thing. People who expect their government to take care of them should return to serfdom.
Not true. You count on them to provide security and law and order. Streets. Water. Trash removal. Get real.
| 883 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:15pm |
re: #862 Charles
No — he said if you spread distortions he’ll call you out. Not just disagree.
It will amount to the same thing.
| 884 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:16pm |
“Social justice”
Key phrase there, kiddies.
| 885 |
ladycatnip Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:20pm |
“The character of our country”… what about the character of his associates, czars and cabinet members. Tax evaders, communists…
| 886 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:23pm |
re: #865 Wendya
Evoking Teddy’s memory.
What a scumbag.
This is obama rolling the big dice. He knows health care is the issue that can break the back of his administration. Time to call out all the big guns…
| 890 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:30pm |
Fierce defense of freedom includes medical care controlled by the government?
| 892 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:38pm |
I hope people are watching their representatives tonight & “call them out”.
| 893 |
borgcube Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:42pm |
Charles,
Your improvements on the site over the past several months have paid off. This thread and all the activity would have locked up earlier this year. Nice job, it’s smoking fast.
| 894 |
HoosierHoops Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:48pm |
Teddy is giving me a moral lesson!
Hell then…The Teddy card..
| 896 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:58:57pm |
re: #862 Charles
No — he said if you spread distortions he’ll call you out. Not just disagree.
His definition of distortion is liable to prove flexible, shall we say.
| 897 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:05pm |
We’re all stupid or ignorant if we think Kennedy liked Big Government.
| 899 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:12pm |
re: #894 HoosierHoops
Teddy is giving me a moral lesson!
Hell then…The Teddy card..
Knew this was coming…
| 900 |
BothAndWorld Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:16pm |
Nothing new. Bummer.
By the way, did he just pull the Ted Kennedy card?
| 901 |
JustMyView Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:19pm |
re: #609 lawhawk
People do medical tourism within the US too. They go to NYC to Memorial Sloan Kettering for cancer care or Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic, or any number of major medical centers around the country that provide better care than they might receive back home - even if the care back home is top-notch.
After all, Sen. Kennedy went to NC to go seek medical attention there, rather than Mass. Gen, which is one of the top hospitals in Mass.
True, but people are not going to Central America for dental care because of the innovative treatment available there.
| 902 |
sngnsgt Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:20pm |
re: #837 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
You get ObamaCare whether you like it or not.
Cool.
Yup, my Brother’s boss of 10 years with a small company told him yesterday, “If Obama-care passes, that’s gonna’ save me a ton every year!”
| 903 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:22pm |
| 904 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:26pm |
re: #892 alegrias
I hope people are watching their representatives tonight & “call them out”.
Agreed.
| 905 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:26pm |
Nothing to do with Obama … I’m hearing boilerplate political mouthings here. Specifically, the promising of (or at least the oratorical mentioning of) fine-sounding things which most likely can’t be delivered.
| 906 |
Kilroy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:27pm |
I liked Teddy’s form of liberalism—-had some great times on the Vineyard.
| 908 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:31pm |
The Passion of Ted Kennedy. Hail Mary, alright.
| 909 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:32pm |
I’m in sales. Trust me, there is a point at which you oversell. This is that point.
| 911 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:40pm |
re: #877 Thanos
Perhaps a little…except for the talk about the malpractice ins - there isn’t anything really new here - and those details were very sparse other than trying some trial ideas in selected states.
It’s a good campaign speech - but I don’t think it really moves the debate - and the Teddy moment cheapens it.
| 912 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:45pm |
re: #900 BothAndWorld
Nothing new. Bummer.
By the way, did he just pull the Ted Kennedy card?
Yep, he did.
| 913 |
Wendya Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:49pm |
re: #876 NJDhockeyfan
Wouldn’t anything you say in opposition to his plan be considered a distortion?
Of course it will.
Now start repeating:
Free candy and unicorns for every American and it won’t cost the country any money at all!
| 914 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:49pm |
Now what about the terror of Kopechne, and the helpless feeling of her family?
| 916 |
cronus Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:58pm |
re: #884 Occasional Reader
“Social justice”
Key phrase there, kiddies.
Targeted proposals and Fiscal solvency just doesn’t have the same ring.
| 917 |
Erik The Red Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:59:59pm |
44 is staking his whole Presidency on this single issue. I hope he has considered the consequences of this. I also hope that he does not lose sight of other important things.
Remember what happened in two days time, 8 years ago? That threat has not gone away.
| 918 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:02pm |
re: #893 borgcube
Charles,
Your improvements on the site over the past several months have paid off. This thread and all the activity would have locked up earlier this year. Nice job, it’s smoking fast.
I remember the days when the server would have crashed in the first five minutes of the speech.
It took a lot of time and money, but things are really working better now.
| 920 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:09pm |
re: #877 Thanos
This is a hail Mary speech for Obama. He was on the ropes, I suspect that this will succeed in getting him off.
He’s moved to the middle rhetorically - will still winking at the far left. Obama is a master at rhetorical jump rope.
How many times did Obama say “public option” in his last speech? - many.
How many times has Obama said “public option” this speech? - zero.
| 921 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:12pm |
McCain invoked twice(at least that I heard).
WTF?
| 922 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:13pm |
re: #909 The Shadow Do
I’m in sales. Trust me, there is a point at which you oversell. This is that point.
Changing the sales message about the product to the customers is not a way for marketing success either…
| 923 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:14pm |
Let’s see if he sheds a tear in this heart tugging part of the speech.
| 924 |
Phocid Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:17pm |
re: #862 Charles
No — he said if you spread distortions he’ll call you out. Not just disagree.
But he calls every instance of someone pointing out the defects in his plan as spreading distortions.
| 925 |
HelloDare Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:17pm |
It would be nice if Obama was as complementary about the character of the United States when he’s abroad.
| 927 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:20pm |
OK. This teddy conversation is long and is making me angry.
| 928 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:20pm |
| 929 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:24pm |
Hm, so if we don’t support nationalized health care… oops, health insurance… we’re un-American, it seems.
| 930 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:24pm |
It seems offensive to call Sen. Edward Kennedy “Teddy”
And to bring him up is offensive as well.
| 931 |
Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:26pm |
I think pulling out the war, taxing the rich, and Teddy kennedy really were a detriment to an otherwise decent speech.
| 933 |
FrogMarch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:34pm |
“sometimes government has to step in”
progress.
| 934 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:35pm |
| 935 |
jorline Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:36pm |
| 937 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:41pm |
Hard work should be rewarded, security, fair play…
Tell that to those who invested in GM, keeping that compay afloat until this administration delivered it to the UAW.
| 938 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:46pm |
| 940 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:00:56pm |
re: #891 buzzsawmonkey
He’s right, you know;
givingTAKING over a huge chunk of the economy to the government DOES say something about the character of the country.
* * *
Fixed for you!
| 942 |
kham Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:01pm |
There’s something disconcerting about him using Kennedy’s death to sell his health care plan.
| 943 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:05pm |
re: #918 Charles
I remember the days when the server would have crashed in the first five minutes of the speech.
It took a lot of time and money, but things are really working better now.
Ding d-d-ding ding ding!
| 944 |
JohnH Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:05pm |
| 946 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:14pm |
And there is the moral argument that so rarely gets mentioned. As a traditional religious person, I am more than a little convinced that telling a kid that he has to suffer with a disease - for the sake of profits, is called evil.
| 947 |
Athos Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:24pm |
I was hoping for an explanation as to why something that works via the free market for 260-270 million people has to be dramatically redefined and recreated for 35-45 million people.
| 948 |
Phocid Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:30pm |
The government should not solve every problem? But he just said it would!
| 949 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:40pm |
“the leveling hand of…”
Oh CRAP!
| 950 |
Ojoe Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:48pm |
re: #942 kham
What wold you expect from a politician? Politicians have no shame and they’re very cheap.
| 951 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:01:48pm |
re: #948 Phocid
The government should not solve every problem? But he just said it would!
obama talks with a forked tounge
| 953 |
ted Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:06pm |
re: #918 Charles
I remember the days when the server would have crashed in the first five minutes of the speech.
It took a lot of time and money, but things are really working better now.
Cash for Charles!
Hit the tip jar.
| 954 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:09pm |
I don’t agree that too much government is a bad as too little. I stopped believing that after reading 1984.
| 955 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:11pm |
re: #950 Ojoe
What wold you expect from a politician? Politicians have no shame and they’re very cheap.
The “say anthing” philosophy of government
| 956 |
Dar ul Harbarian Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:12pm |
Government is the saviour…silly children…don’t worry your little heads.
| 957 |
theuglydougling Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:15pm |
I just took a short drive to and from the store and got to hear a bit of the speech on the radio. In that very short drive I realized that I could build a small island village out of all the strawmen I heard.
| 958 |
Chekote Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:18pm |
Please Mr. President, less sob stories and more details. Thank you.
| 959 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:18pm |
| 960 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:19pm |
Pelosi
*blink* blink* blink* blink*
Joe! Wake up buddy!
| 961 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:22pm |
OK -
Tort Reform along the lines of Workers Compensation - IF you mean it Mr. President - and there IS the BASIS of a DEAL - AND - Disclaimer, I am a Lawyer by education. One thing UN-ADDRESSED IS - Need More Doctors! Or as Ronaldus Maximus would have “hinted” - Supply Side Works.
I AM NOT HOWEVER IMPRESSED BY THE CLASS WARFARE RHETORIC.
Let us see what will happen.
Tomorrow is Another Day - Scarlette O’Hara, 1865.
-S-
| 962 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:22pm |
re: #918 Charles
I remember the days when the server would have crashed in the first five minutes of the speech.
It took a lot of time and money, but things are really working better now.
A excellent time to pitch the Lizards to toss a few dollars in the tip jar to help pay for this blog. Charles may not do it, so I will.
| 963 |
crown_of_feathers Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:24pm |
Not sure if it’s a steaming pile of crap, but the dude damn sure does a hell of a peroration.
| 965 |
lawhawk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:39pm |
re: #792 LudwigVanQuixote
And he just talked about having actual doctors look into cleaning it up.
Actual doctors don’t need to clean it up - law enforcement putting away the doctors and others who are defrauding taxpayers to the tune of billions is what’s needed. Miami has Medicaid fraud to the tune of $1 billion a year. AG Cuomo in NY has found hundreds of millions in fraud in just the past few months.
Improving reimbursements to doctors would help keep doctors in the Medicare/Medicaid system. Better accounting and audit procedures would limit the fraud and waste. Those don’t take doctors.
Also, if you’re increasing the number of people utilizing health care professionals, that means you need more doctors to provide that care, unless you want to cut the amount of time that those professionals spend per patient. I’m not sure that you want that situation…
| 966 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:42pm |
ALL HAIL THE GUBMENT!!! ALL HAIL THE GUBMENT!!! He might say one thing, but it is bullshit.
| 967 |
kham Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:02:47pm |
Calling each other ‘Un-American”? I’m assuming he’s speaking directly to Pelosi and Reed
| 968 |
Bob Dillon Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:02pm |
Oh - now I’m to expect government to look out for me. Give me a break!
| 970 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:19pm |
re: #964 Electron Shuffler
Look out for the HAND!
There it is! Shape the future. Bankrupt teh kiddehs!
| 971 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:20pm |
re: #966 Cannadian Club Akbar
ALL HAIL THE GUBMENT!!! ALL HAIL THE GUBMENT!!! He might say one thing, but it is bullshit.
Government is your mother
Government is your father..
same old same old …
| 974 |
alegrias Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:34pm |
| 976 |
avanti Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:36pm |
re: #953 ted
Cash for Charles!
Hit the tip jar.
Beat me to it. BTW, a subscription is a painless way to support the site.
| 977 |
media_man Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:03:49pm |
Stick a fork in this turkey. It’s over. He was preaching to the choir. I don’t think he addressed anyone with legitimate concerns regarding what his plan will do the the US healthcare system in terms of access, quality, & innovation.
Goodbye Obama.
| 978 |
JohnH Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:07pm |
re: #974 alegrias
* * *
Are you feeling depressed and increasingly a burden to your family?
Oh oh, looks like I’m doomed
| 979 |
DrNaughty Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:11pm |
Hopefully we’ll have a Krauthammer moment in a few minutes for some clarity
| 981 |
blastforth Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:18pm |
We can afford the healthcare everyone wants. When someone else is paying, we’ll want everything.
| 983 |
huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:39pm |
I just don’t believe a word he says and I think that he’ll say anything to propel his socialist agenda.
| 984 |
Jack Burton Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:44pm |
Damn, I didn’t get bingo on the healthcare reform card.
| 985 |
Electron Shuffler Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:50pm |
I’m not watching or listening.
What’s Nancy’s blink rate?
| 987 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:04:58pm |
re: #880 LudwigVanQuixote
Except that he is not a tyrant. He is so very clearly not one. I may not agree with all he says, but he is not some evil monster like the jacket.
Come on, Obama wants to do something good for people - it may or may not come out right, and his ideas may or may not be the best, I don’t know, I need to see and think about the actual bill, but call him a tyrant for wanting social justice and fair health care?
I agree, he is not a tyrant, but I can also see that the permanently paranoid are seeing parallels. I think the fear of the whacko’s (right, left and jihadis) is our greatest threat right now.
I do have to disagree that he wants to do something “good for people”. I think he is a politician and wants to do good for himself—he wants a flame burning over his grave at Arlington and monuments built to his memory. I have issues with any politician wants to “provide” or “give” me anything. I want government to get out the way and let me make my own way.
I have no great objections to Obama that I dont’ have to any politician of any party.
| 988 |
samk Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:05:12pm |
re: #947 Athos
I was hoping for an explanation as to why something that works via the free market for 260-270 million people has to be dramatically redefined ando their ability; to those according to their need. recreated for 35-45 million people.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
| 989 |
benevolentgeneralkrull Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:05:19pm |
re: #938 wee fury
after about 50mil worth of medical care was pumped into his body… i’ll still take it.
| 990 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:05:21pm |
re: #935 jorline
Soak the rich and shower the poor.
jorline,
Sounds Like a “Tinkle Down” theory to me. That is all.
-S-
| 991 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:06:37pm |
“A touch of greatness.”
Ok, I felt a tingle down my leg and realized I’d just pissed myself.
gawd.
| 992 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:08:01pm |
re: #986 ladycatnip
I want his healthcare plan.
ladycatnip -
MEE TOO - Being King/POTUS has its advantages.
-S-
| 993 |
Kilroy Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:08:09pm |
Just hit the tip jar ,didn’t know it was there. Thanks Charles!
| 995 |
Mauser Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:10:38pm |
I’m running behind since the DVR was on pause. I can’t believe the Boos when he said illegals wouldn’t be covered.
| 996 |
brazilofmux Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:11:22pm |
I heard the same tired top-heavy phrases, strung together, without connection, without theme, without heart, and with no supporting structure or detail. In summary, ‘Come on. Do it. You know you wanna.’
| 997 |
FemNaziBitch Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:11:23pm |
re: #965 lawhawk
Actual doctors don’t need to clean it up - law enforcement putting away the doctors and others who are defrauding taxpayers to the tune of billions is what’s needed. Miami has Medicaid fraud to the tune of $1 billion a year. AG Cuomo in NY has found hundreds of millions in fraud in just the past few months.
Improving reimbursements to doctors would help keep doctors in the Medicare/Medicaid system. Better accounting and audit procedures would limit the fraud and waste. Those don’t take doctors.
Also, if you’re increasing the number of people utilizing health care professionals, that means you need more doctors to provide that care, unless you want to cut the amount of time that those professionals spend per patient. I’m not sure that you want that situation…
THis is one of the reason I think individuals should be responsible. A 300M payer system, not a single payer system. Less hands in the pie —let individuals negotiate for their heatlh insurance, submit their own claims, we will have a lot less corruption — and better paper trails for the corrution that does happen. IMHO
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BothAndWorld Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:13:01pm |
Really? The only mention of Afghanistan was in terms of it being a burden rather than something worth fighting for…
I understand that this was a night dedicated to health-care, but was that dig necessary?
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huckfunn Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:13:04pm |
re: #718 Charles
re: #711 huckfunn
I can’t wait to see the poll dip tomorrow.
Not gonna happen.
Charles: I concede the point. Probably every poll, post joint session of Congress, has given the President a poll bump. I was just hopin’. I simply can’t stand the lies that he is feeding the public and I think that BO will ultimately lose this debate… I hope.
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Dekar Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:15:52pm |
I dont think the house has enough votes to pass the health-care bill
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Valentina Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:02:40pm |
#741
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson.
That’s a quote that’s been tossed around the last 2 months - What Thomas Jefferson was referring to was an actual tree in a Boston commons before the Revolution began. It was a place that American patriots against the English would meet out in the open. People could chat under the shade of the tree about their plans for the next protest, etc., without being noticed. These patriots were Samuel Adams and over 300 others who moved the country forward towards revolution…The Sons of Liberty. The point is: be brave enough to stand up for what is right, even if it was risky. I think the quote has been misunderstood recently.
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Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 9, 2009 7:12:01pm |
By The Way Everyone -
Nobody believes him on the “Illegal Immigrant” statement. On the right they know it is “BS” - on the Left, there is the Fiction of the “US Person” - ya pays your money and takes your choices. Bottom line - anyone, in extremis on US territory will be treated. We are not THAT kind of a Hateful Nation, much as Israelis will treat wounded members of Hamas.
-S-
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