Bad Craziness at Newsmax: Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention

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Newsmax columnist John L. Perry published this article at the site yesterday, and it’s apparently been tossed down the memory hole.

For obvious reasons.

This is the original URL; it now redirects to Newsmax’s front page.

But unfortunately for Newsmax and their attempt to cover it up, Google’s cache still has a copy: Obama Risks a Domestic Military ‘Intervention’.

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:

  • Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”
  • Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
  • They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.
  • They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.
  • They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.
  • They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag.
  • They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.
  • They can see the nation’s safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.

So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran’s nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, “I’m not interested in victory”) that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America’s military leadership is lost in a fool’s fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

John L. Perry, a prize-winning newspaper editor and writer who served on White House staffs of two presidents, is a regular columnist for newsmax.com. Read John Perry’s columns here.

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411 comments

1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:04:56am

Can we question their patriotism yet?

2 Ray in TX  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:05:03am

When exactly do we start talking about sedition?

3 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:05:54am

WTF IS WRONG WITH THE RIGHT WING? ENOUGH ALREADY!

4 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:06:18am

Never happen. The U.S. Military are just too damn professional to even consider such a thing and even if some nut ball tried to promote it, he/she would find their dumb ass in the stockade/brig so fast their heads would still be spinning when the cell door clanged shut.

5 kernelPanic  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:07:36am

This is a natural progression - they’ve run out of “OMG the entire world is ending!!!” {over}-reactions to every little thing (including things like speeches to kids and Obama’s Olympics sales pitches).

The well is also running dry when it comes to charged language.

This is what happens after one cries wolf too many time and exhausts the thesaurus when looking for alarming ways to describe the current administration. There is literally nowhere else to go except towards outright sedition.

6 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:11am
Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.

Coming up with a platform and candidate worth supporting to beat him in an election sounds pretty good for starters.

7 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:36am

What a twisted fantasy.

8 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:40am

I am not an Obama fan, big surprise, but ATM, I have my fingers and toes crossed about possible significant sanctions agianst Iran supported by Russia. IE: The missle deal. (stop laughing) And have a wait and see attitude on a surge in Afganistan.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:53am

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.

10 Colin Nelson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:08:59am

… it’s hard to know where to start with this level of delusion

11 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:09:36am

Gawker picked up on that too. And they also note that nutter Gore Vidal is once again predicting that the US will become a military dictatorship. He doesn’t expect Obama to save it either.

Crazy to the left, insane to the right.

12 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:05am

re: #9 Charles

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

Thats the line that stood out to me.

13 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:09am

It’s easy to pick a policy or two and say, “see, this is literal Marxism!”. What I’d like to see is some kind of presentation showing time lines of policies leading to Marxism with the result of genocide and where the US is compared to that time line. We are nothing close to Marxism.

14 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:18am
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.

ELECTIONS.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:21am

My stomach is upset now.

16 kernelPanic  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:23am

re: #11 lawhawk

Gawker picked up on that too. And they also note that nutter Gore Vidal is once again predicting that the US will become a military dictatorship. He doesn’t expect Obama to save it either.

Crazy to the left, insane to the right.

We can admit to reading gawker here? Heh.

17 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:25am

re: #2 Ray in TX

When exactly do we start talking about sedition?

I had thought we worked through that in the first Adams presidency. Silly me.

18 krypto  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:31am

What next? A military takeover of the US just to keep sick people from getting health insurance.

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:40am

Insanity.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Can we question their patriotism yet?

I’m not waiting for permission.

21 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:52am

re: #11 lawhawk

Gawker picked up on that too. And they also note that nutter Gore Vidal is once again predicting that the US will become a military dictatorship. He doesn’t expect Obama to save it either.

Crazy to the left, insane to the right.

stuck in the middle with you

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:10:59am

re: #14 Ben Hur

ELECTIONS.

RINO!

23 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:03am
In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.

Newsmax takes no responsibility for Perry’s views, of course.

24 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:20am

I like how there are people in various quarters of the internets who consider Charles insane but fail to see the problem with this. Go figure.

25 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #14 Ben Hur

ELECTIONS.

Impeachment… not sure what the grounds would be…

26 filetandrelease  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:28am

re: #9 Charles

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem

Recently I read the term “the Obama problem” some where else, can’t recall where, but it sounds ugly.

27 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:44am

Here’s the solution that this idiot can’t quite seem to put his finger on. It’s called the regularly scheduled election in 2012. If you don’t like Obama, find someone who can beat him in a general election. That’s how we do things here in the US.

Stop the madness of thinking up ways to engage in revolution and think about what you’re advocating. It’s madness. /Major Clipton

28 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:11:48am

Soldier’s aren’t political creatures. He’s projecting politics where it doesn’t exist and in fact, is probably not welcome.

He’s pushing a typical bait-and-switch rhetoric. Some of his bullet points might recognize problems, but at the end, he makes a fantastic leap from reasoned debate to ridiculous absurdity.

29 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:12:03am

re: #16 kernelPanic

It’s called going behind the lines…

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #9 Charles

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

“The Obama Problem”. I know Clinton was our first black president, but I’m starting to think Baruch is our first Jewish one. The language they use is eerily familiar sometimes.

31 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:12:58am

re: #27 lawhawk

Here’s the solution that this idiot can’t quite seem to put his finger on. It’s called the regularly scheduled election in 2012. If you don’t like Obama, find someone who can beat him in a general election. That’s how we do things here in the US.

Stop the madness of thinking up ways to engage in revolution and think about what you’re advocating. It’s madness. /Major Clipton

And it’s not like Obama’s made that much progress on his agenda either even with control of the House and Senate. And those elections are coming up as well with probably negative consequences for the dems.

32 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:13:04am
Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.

When you see those words, expect a sick fantasy to follow.

33 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:13:44am

re: #25 bosforus

Not.Gonna.Happen.

You’d need high crimes or misdemeanors, and so far, Obama has done neither. Neither did Bush for that matter - and all the talk of impeachment was over a policy dispute.

You’d have to have an actionable crime to deal with, and that’s not likely to rise to level of impeachment so long as Democrats control both chambers of Congress either.

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:14:28am

The Obama problem, from the point of view of a reasonable conservative, is the problem of coming up with a viable conservative candidate to run against him.

Frankly, I consider people calling for revolution a bigger problem than anyone currently in the government. Revolutions are, statistically speaking, usually not followed by peace and prosperity. The American revolution was a special situation, and most of the people that ruled after the revolution were the same people that ruled before it, they just didn’t have to take orders from London any more.

35 bofhell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:14:45am

re: #14 Ben Hur

ELECTIONS.

That would require a return to the 11th Commandment, something that seems beyond the grasp of many people.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the latest incarnation of the “Me” Generation.

36 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:07am

re: #32 wrenchwench

When you see those words, expect a sick fantasy to follow.

Its right up there with Dan Riehl’s “investigative” reports.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:12am

re: #25 bosforus

Impeachment… not sure what the grounds would be…

“WE DON’T LIKE HIM!” That’s what the grounds would be.

38 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:16am

Gotta love NewsMax’s pathetic backpedaling away from the article.

“Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government, and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.”

and the money quote

“Perry clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one

I’m not SAYING that Obama should be overthrown with a violent military coup. I’m just describing it in detail in my column. Jesus.

39 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:46am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats the line that stood out to me.

This is the one for me. The US citizenry loves their Constitution and Bill of Rights. The statement below pre-supposes that has been compromised somehow without substantiation.

Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

40 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:15:59am

re: #25 bosforus

Impeachment… not sure what the grounds would be…

NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!

41 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:16:27am

re: #14 Ben Hur

ELECTIONS.

Borrrinnng!

/

42 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:16:36am

As I’ve mentioned here before, I have personal experience with one of the people behind NewsMax. I can’t mention names because this man is so evil even his relatives are afraid of him.

NewsMax is bad news in every conceivable sense of the word.

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:16:58am

What happens in between the time they saw fit to post that and the time they took it down?

Is it: “D’oh”?

Is it: “So-and-so is on the line, they say this is really not a good idea…”?

Is it: “Gosh, I should have read that first.”?

44 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:06am

re: #33 lawhawk

I know. I don’t even want Obama impeached. I was just adding to Ben Hur’s list of obvious “non-violent solutions to the Obama problem” that the article seemed to have forgotten about.

45 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:08am

He absolutely was advocating it. This paragraph leaves no doubt about it:

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”

46 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:28am

“Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.”

I believe Perry may in fact enjoy molesting farm animals, but I am in no way advocating it.

47 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:40am

re: #43 wrenchwench

What happens in between the time they saw fit to post that and the time they took it down?

Is it: “D’oh”?

Is it: “So-and-so is on the line, they say this is really not a good idea…”?

Is it: “Gosh, I should have read that first.”?

It was: uh oh. Somebody caught us.

48 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:45am

re: #42 Cato the Elder

As I’ve mentioned here before, I have personal experience with one of the people behind NewsMax. I can’t mention names because this man is so evil even his relatives are afraid of him.

NewsMax is bad news in every conceivable sense of the word.

Yes, I was just looking at their front page. Glenn Beck, conspiracy theories etc. It’s wingnut garbage.

49 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:17:51am

Any moderately intelligent yet crazy person can have huge sections of reason and logic interspersed within a larger nutcase context. John L Perry is nucking futs and not acting in the best interest of anybody. The most cynical take is that he’s a rabid leftist helping the right go over the edge. But not likely.

This is really getting out of hand.

50 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:18:00am

In any event, any attempted domestic military intervention would be repulsed by Obama’s Domestic Security Brownshirt paramilitary force, which I’m TOTALLY sure will be up and running any day now!

/

51 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:18:17am

Follow the money…

This just in on Drudge:

FLASH: GLENN BECK ‘ARGUING WITH IDIOTS’ TOPS BESTSELLER LIST WITH 120,888 SCANNED, PASSES KENNEDY 68,904. MACKENZIE PHILLIPS MEDIA BLITZ, SELLS 19,389 COPIES… MORE…


Just follow the money.

52 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:18:20am

“The Obama problem.”

Let’s see. A president who was elected by a majority of voters, not selected by the Supreme Court.

That’s a real problem, all right.

What to do?

53 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:19:14am

Has anybody checked Perry’s birth certificate?

54 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:19:18am

re: #52 Cato the Elder

The Inquisition, lets begin…

55 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:19:34am

re: #43 wrenchwench

What happens in between the time they saw fit to post that and the time they took it down?


Google cache happens.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:19:50am

re: #52 Cato the Elder

“The Obama problem.”

Let’s see. A president who was elected by a majority of voters, not selected by the Supreme Court.

That’s a real problem, all right.

What to do?

OVERTHROW HIS ASS!

//is this really happening? Why is everyone crazy?

57 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:19:58am

Sourcewatch on NewsMax:

Former New York Post reporter Christopher Ruddy, the company’s CEO, founded NewsMax Media in 1998. Among early investors in NewsMax were Richard Mellon Scaife, Ruddy’s former boss at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, and Texas businessman Michael Ruff. Scaife and Ruddy have since bought out the other investors, and Ruddy is majority owner.


[Link: www.sourcewatch.org…]

58 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:20:06am

So, does John L. Perry have the ability to self-publish on Newsmax, or did some editor actually approve this?

I’ve got no love for Newsmax - but at least they pulled the article.

They’ve got the nuttiest collection of bloggers over there.

59 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:20:11am

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

“WE DON’T LIKE HIM!” That’s what the grounds would be.

Lol. A standard set by the hate-Bush crowd. It’s a race to the bottom.

“It’s stars all the way down.” —2010. Now I know what they meant.

60 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #50 Occasional Reader

That would be the Baby Blue Shirts! Brown is so 1937.

61 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:21:28am

re: #52 Cato the Elder

not selected by the Supreme Court.

[sigh]

Ah, no.

In any event, I really have to get some work done. Later.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:22:53am

re: #59 gregb

Lol. A standard set by the hate-Bush crowd. It’s a race to the bottom.

“It’s stars all the way down.” —2010. Now I know what they meant.

I would argue it was set by the hate-Clinton crowd, and ably continued and expanded upon by the hate-Bush crowd. But your point is well taken.

63 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:23:18am

re: #60 BigPapa

That would be the Baby Blue Shirts! Brown is so 1937 1933.

FTFY. The Brown Shirts (SA) were pretty much finished after the Night of the Long Knives in 1934. Black was the new brown (SS).

64 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:24:03am
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.

I’ve got a solution.

1. Kick out the nuts, the author of the Newsmax article included.
2. Distance the party from the wingnuts.
3. Drop the lunacy. This includes creationism, birtherism, etc.
4. Start working on getting reasonable candidates for the House and Senate.
5. Come up with good candidates for the Presidency for 2012.

Any other ideas are nothing short nor shy of outright sedition.

65 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #52 Cato the Elder

“The Obama problem.”

Let’s see. A president who was elected by a majority of voters, not selected by the Supreme Court.

That’s a real problem, all right.

What to do?

Links to the Obama problem, the newsmax story is tearing up the blogosphere.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Speaking of the rule of law, I think the US is completely on the wrong side in Honduras.

66 middy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #9 Charles

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

Wow… that’s reminiscent of another “final solution” to another “problem”.

67 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:25:47am

So bye, bye, miss American pie…

68 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:25:55am

re: #58 KingKenrod

So, does John L. Perry have the ability to self-publish on Newsmax, or did some editor actually approve this?

I’ve got no love for Newsmax - but at least they pulled the article.

They’ve got the nuttiest collection of bloggers over there.

They also publish the shrieking harpy, Pamela Geller.

69 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:26:29am

re: #52 Cato the Elder

“The Obama problem.”

Let’s see. A president who was elected by a majority of voters, not selected by the Supreme Court.

That’s a real problem, all right.

What to do?

Resort to the ballot box.

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:27:01am

Case in point:

[Link: www.newsmax.com…]

71 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:27:04am

re: #63 Cato the Elder

FTFY. The Brown Shirts (SA) were pretty much finished after the Night of the Long Knives in 1934. Black was the new brown (SS).

Duly noted. I guess you really are an elder LOL.

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:27:44am

If you can’t come out and just say it, and there are no children in the room, you are either talking about things that don’t need to be talked about (TMI) or you are advocating something nasty.

73 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:28:06am

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

I’ve got a solution.

1. Kick out the nuts, the author of the Newsmax article included.
2. Distance the party from the wingnuts.
3. Drop the lunacy. This includes creationism, birtherism, etc.
4. Start working on getting reasonable candidates for the House and Senate.
5. Come up with good candidates for the Presidency for 2012.

Any other ideas are nothing short nor shy of outright sedition.

Prediction 6-12 months from now:

- Unemployment starts going down. Maybe not dramatically, but at least a little.
- A “mild” healthcare reform passes.
- Cap & Trade goes in indefinite purgatory
- The tea-drinkers (similarly to the kool-aid drinkers of the past 12 months) lose energy, get bored, and run out of steam.
- Something new and shiny emerges to captivate America’s attention.

74 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:28:07am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I would argue it was set by the hate-Clinton crowd, and ably continued and expanded upon by the hate-Bush crowd. But your point is well taken.

I might be an ideologue, but when they actually impeached Clinton, I thought there was actually a legal question that needed to be answered outside of a policy dispute.

Those slippery slopes…

75 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:28:51am

re: #63 Cato the Elder

By the way, googling “brown shirts” (no quotes) just now turned up an article titled “Obama ‘Brownshirts’ Bill Now Working Its Way Through The Senate” in third place. I won’t link to it here. The blogroll is full of the usual suspects.

This dangerous bill is unquestionably nothing less than a way to further fund and indoctrinate more foot soldiers for the Democrat Party […]

It’s about public service. You know, dangerous stuff like kids helping little old ladies across the street when they’re not being compelled to read Saul Alinsky.

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:29:06am

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

JK Rowling lost out on the U.S.’s highest civilian honour because members of the Bush administration objected to the author’s perceived promotion of sorcery, a new book claims.

Matt Latimer, a former speech writer for George W Bush, states in Speechless: Tales Of A White House Survivor that as a result her name was not included amongst those receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The award acknowledges contributions to the U.S. national interest, world peace or cultural endeavours.

But according to Mr Latimer’s new book, plans for Ms Rowling to receive the Medal of Freedom were nipped in the bud by officials in the previous administration.

In Speechless, Latimer writes that ‘narrow thinking’ led ‘people in the White House to actually object to giving the author J K Rowling a presidential medal because the Harry Potter books encourage witchcraft’.

77 arethusa  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:29:27am

Among my personal acquaintances, those most opposed to Obama (who are still not making threats, using racial slurs, planning coups, because they are decent people) are the ones who…didn’t vote. They thought McCain wasn’t conservative enough, or that he’d be worse than Obama. Doubtful their votes would have made a difference, but their opposition seems to be motivated largely by regret.

I wonder how much of these crazies didn’t even engage in the election? That would explain why they don’t seem to see elections as the solution, at least.

78 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:30:08am

re: #68 Charles

They also publish the shrieking harpy, Pamela Geller.

Yet another nail in Newsmax’s coffin. The fact that they have Geller (who, BTW, is an insult to shrieking harpies as well as common sense and sanity) shows how interconnected this crappola is. It’s almost like there is a tightly connected group of people orchestrating this nonsense.

79 sergeant major  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:30:28am

I couldn’t stop laughing as I was reading that. I have better things to do than over throw the President.\ (Hold on a second the secret service is knocking on my door) I am at a loss for words when I read stupid shit like this.. that other than it’s stupid shit.

80 middy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:07am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

Huh. I wouldn’t think she’d deserve an award anyway…

81 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:09am

re: #76 Charles

Just plain nuts.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:46am
83 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:48am
84 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #61 Occasional Reader

[sigh]

Ah, no.

In any event, I really have to get some work done. Later.

OR, I was merely pointing out that plenty of Democrats had serious, if spurious, reasons to doubt W’s legitimacy. Yet as far as I know there were no calls for a violent military coup to solve the “Bush problem”.

85 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:32:15am

re: #70 Charles

Case in point:

[Link: www.newsmax.com…]

From that link:

Pamela Geller is the editor and publisher of the Atlas Shrugs Web site and former associate publisher of the New York Observer. Her Op-Eds have appeared in the Washington Times, Newsmax, Human Events, WorldNetDaily, the American Thinker, Israel National News, and other publications.

She’s the tar on the broad brush.

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:32:26am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

I don’t see in there that George Bush believed, but that some aides did.

I actually know people who won’t read Harry Potter, etc. because it uses magic and witchcraft.

The ones that I know have a personal reason, like the family with the dad who was raised in Mexico, and his mother used to have him do errands for the local witches in return for their services. He was so turned off by it, he won’t touch anything touching witchcraft.

I, personally, just make sure my children can distinguish between fiction and non-fiction.

87 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:32:48am

re: #78 Honorary Yooper

Yet another nail in Newsmax’s coffin. The fact that they have Geller (who, BTW, is an insult to shrieking harpies as well as common sense and sanity) shows how interconnected this crappola is. It’s almost like there is a tightly connected group of people orchestrating this nonsense.

Yes, and if I didn’t have real fear for my safety, I could name names. Some of them are entirely unknown to the public.

88 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:33:37am

re: #76 Charles

Wonder how much of what Latimer says is true or not. It sounds as if he has an axe to grind.

89 middy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:33:45am

re: #87 Cato the Elder

Yes, and if I didn’t have real fear for my safety, I could name names. Some of them are entirely unknown to the public.

Go ahead, name names, we won’t tell anyone.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:33:50am

re: #80 middy

Huh. I wouldn’t think she’d deserve an award anyway…

Why not? Her work has done more to promote reading among young people than anyone else for the past several decades, and the Bush administration always wanted to have an education focus.

91 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:34:38am

re: #89 middy

Go ahead, name names, we won’t tell anyone.

Nice try.

92 baier  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:34:39am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

I don’t believe it. Maybe it is partly ture, but it fits the “Bush” narrative, so it’ll get press.

93 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:34:44am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.


That’s so Monty Python.

94 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #83 Creeping Eruption

This, after Laura says she loved the series?

Exactly. It makes me wonder if Latimer is merely grinding an axe here. Some of his claims just do not make much sense, IMHO.

95 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:13am

re: #84 Cato the Elder

OR, I was merely pointing out that plenty of Democrats had serious, if spurious, reasons to doubt W’s legitimacy. Yet as far as I know there were no calls for a violent military coup to solve the “Bush problem”.

No, because they couldn’t trust the military. There was at least one call for a mass rush of the Capitol and White House to overthrow Bush and place him under arrest and set up a transitional government.

96 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:14am

re: #76 Charles

A disgruntled former Bush Administration official whose trying to hawk a book puts out a statement such as that? Really now.

Compare with Laura Bush praising the series because it promotes reading? There were some on the far right who complained about the book supposedly promoting witchcraft, but I see this as nothing more than an effort to sell this tell-all book.

97 arethusa  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:31am

re: #88 Honorary Yooper

Latimer’s book has been panned by left and right, from Dana Perino to Donna Brazile.

98 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:31am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

Well, my estimation of that book just went down. There’s no way JK Rowling ever got serious consideration for a MoF.

99 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:42am

They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.

… and if the Republicans stand some creationist, birther anti-science candidate, Obama will surely be elected to a second term. Eight years of his narcissistic and naive “leadership” will surely finish the United States as a great nation.

100 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:54am

re: #86 EmmmieG

I don’t see in there that George Bush believed, but that some aides did.

I actually know people who won’t read Harry Potter, etc. because it uses magic and witchcraft.

As I recall from having to read all the books to my children, there is absolutely no reference to religion or god.

101 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:36:10am

Sunsabitches.

Calling for a military coup is treason. Suggesting one as this article does through thin nirtherite constitutional warpage borders on treason.

sunsabitches.

/we lost the election, we don’t like the consequences, Revolt!!! Ninnyhammers all.

102 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:36:26am

re: #9 Charles

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.



I have one - vote out the Democratic congress in 2010.
Then he can’t push through his policies.

How’s that solution?

103 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:36:38am

re: #76 Charles

When Speechwriters Kiss and Tell

As the senior staffer who brought Matt to the White House, let me start by adding some perspective. In a memoir that takes us from Matt’s childhood in Michigan through all the morons and phonies he worked for in Washington, only Mr. Rumsfeld gets the full gush. Left unmentioned is that Matt is on Mr. Rumsfeld’s payroll, working on the former Defense Secretary’s memoirs. Not that Mr. Rumsfeld need fear. If this book is any guide, an employer will read how stupid Matt really thought he was only after he’s no longer being paid.

In the same way, Matt neglects to mention that personnel took away his West Wing cubby when they needed space for someone more important. Or that he spent the next few weeks knocking on every door in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, looking for a room sufficiently grand to display his large and ever-expanding collection of framed testimonials to himself.

Ditto for Air Force One. Yes, he was on it, but not because he was important. To the contrary, I put him on it because he was failing. At one point in the book, he admits that he “never felt the connection” he was supposed to feel with the president. Bringing him into the Oval and getting him on Air Force One was a (losing) attempt on my part to get the president to warm up to him. These are distasteful things to have to say publicly about someone who once worked for you. And I would have taken them to the grave had Matt not used these props and the snippets of conversation he picked up to paint a highly distorted view of some very good people during some very tough times.

Not entirely unexpected backlash.

104 middy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:36:57am

re: #94 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. It makes me wonder if Latimer is merely grinding an axe here. Some of his claims just do not make much sense, IMHO.

The story is probably more like; aides raised the alarm about some of Bush’s fundie supporters objecting strongly to Rowling’s series and George wimped out…

105 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:37:14am

Meanwhile, at the end of yesterday’s Sarah Palin thread, someone showed up to say he knows the ghostwriter personally, and she’s not an extremist at all.

This person was using a sock puppet account. His previous account was blocked because he was defending the neo-Nazi British National Party.

106 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:37:25am

re: #84 Cato the Elder

OR, I was merely pointing out that plenty of Democrats had serious, if spurious, reasons to doubt W’s legitimacy. Yet as far as I know there were no calls for a violent military coup to solve the “Bush problem”.

There were a lot of assassination fantasies.

107 baier  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:37:37am

re: #102 Kosh’s Shadow

I have one - vote out the Democratic congress in 2010.
Then he can’t push through his policies.

How’s that solution?

/What? Voting? Are you nuts! We’re too angry for democracy because he’s a socialist!

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:38:05am

re: #86 EmmmieG

I don’t see in there that George Bush believed, but that some aides did.

I actually know people who won’t read Harry Potter, etc. because it uses magic and witchcraft.

The ones that I know have a personal reason, like the family with the dad who was raised in Mexico, and his mother used to have him do errands for the local witches in return for their services. He was so turned off by it, he won’t touch anything touching witchcraft.

I, personally, just make sure my children can distinguish between fiction and non-fiction.

There was some discussion in the Catholic community about it, because the Church discourages sorcery—but as almost everyone pointed out, this is not ‘real world’ magic at all, it’s clearly a story about a different kind of reality. You might not want a child reading a story in which real-life teen characters cast love spells, but Harry Potter isn’t like that at all.

And the series has some very good moral lessons.

109 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:38:16am

Kilgore posted the following on the previous thread:

Newsmax Distances Itself From Columnist, Says We Believe In Constitutional Gov’t

In a statement sent to TPM, Newsmax spokeswoman Paula Pradines said that John L. Perry — the columnist who claimed a military coup to “resolve the Obama problem” was increasingly possible — is just an “unpaid blogger” for the magazine.

“He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger,” she said.

On his Newsmax bio page, Perry is described as someone who “contributes a regular column to Newsmax.com.” On the site’s “Blogs” page, he’s listed alongside other contributors including Ben Stein, Grover Norquist and Christopher Ruddy, the owner and editor-in-chief on Newsmax.

He has also written a column nearly every week since late 1999.

***

So, STOP PUBLISHING HIM!

110 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:38:58am

re: #77 arethusa

Among my personal acquaintances, those most opposed to Obama (who are still not making threats, using racial slurs, planning coups, because they are decent people) are the ones who…didn’t vote. They thought McCain wasn’t conservative enough, or that he’d be worse than Obama. Doubtful their votes would have made a difference, but their opposition seems to be motivated largely by regret.

I wonder how much of these crazies didn’t even engage in the election? That would explain why they don’t seem to see elections as the solution, at least.

I HOPE THEY’RE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

111 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:39:17am

re: #106 gregb

There were a lot of assassination fantasies.

Fantasies? Shit, there was a freaking movie about it.

112 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #109 MandyManners

So, STOP PUBLISHING HIM!

Stop talking sense, Mandy. They don’t like it when people talk sense. /

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:39:31am

re: #100 John Neverbend

As I recall from having to read all the books to my children, there is absolutely no reference to religion or god.

But, in the eternal tradition of British children’s books everywhere, there is Christmas.

114 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:39:40am

re: #109 MandyManners

So, STOP PUBLISHING HIM!

But—but—-he’s free!

115 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:40:03am

re: #106 gregb

There were a lot of assassination fantasies.

As there are now.

Not quite the same thing.

116 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:40:08am

Perry doesn’t consider another election to be a solution to the “problem”?

As I see it, the underlying problem is HIS definition of the “problem”. He appears to think the current Administration is some sort of dictatorship.

/absolutely barking

117 Yuddington  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:40:09am

My favorite quote was the following:

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation.

Nothing like restoring and defending the Constitution by overthrowing a lawfully-elected president and installing a military junta.

118 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:40:11am

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

There was some discussion in the Catholic community about it, because the Church discourages sorcery—but as almost everyone pointed out, this is not ‘real world’ magic at all, it’s clearly a story about a different kind of reality. You might not want a child reading a story in which real-life teen characters cast love spells, but Harry Potter isn’t like that at all.

And the series has some very good moral lessons.

I’m curious about why anyone would object to stories about fantasy witchcraft, (unless one believed it might have a chance of working).

119 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:03am

re: #103 Ben Hur

When Speechwriters Kiss and Tell

Not entirely unexpected backlash.

Thats gonna leave a mark.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:10am

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Fantasies? Shit, there was a freaking movie about it.

By Brits.

121 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:20am

re: #117 Yuddington

My favorite quote was the following:

Nothing like restoring and defending the Constitution by overthrowing a lawfully-elected president and installing a military junta.

Nice first post. Welcome, hatchling.

122 baier  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:22am

re: #117 Yuddington

My favorite quote was the following:

Nothing like restoring and defending the Constitution by overthrowing a lawfully-elected president and installing a military junta.

/Fascism is the only way to destroy Obama’s Socialist policies.

123 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:23am

re: #112 thedopefishlives

Stop talking sense, Mandy. They don’t like it when people talk sense. /

It’s an affliction I have sometimes.

124 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:41:54am

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

There was some discussion in the Catholic community about it, because the Church discourages sorcery—but as almost everyone pointed out, this is not ‘real world’ magic at all, it’s clearly a story about a different kind of reality. You might not want a child reading a story in which real-life teen characters cast love spells, but Harry Potter isn’t like that at all.

And the series has some very good moral lessons.

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #114 wrenchwench

But—but—-he’s free!

So is the lead in their paint, but they should stop licking it anyway.

126 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:22am

re: #122 baier

/Fascism is the only way to destroy Obama’s Socialist policies.

We had to burn the Constitution to save it…

127 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:30am

re: #102 Kosh’s Shadow

If the Republicans cannot get out from under their anti-science religious fanatic crazies, there will be no chance of cleaning out the House and Senate in 2010.

128 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:33am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

A review on public radio (NPR? Not sure) last weekend was not terribly positive over the book and it’s claims, and questioned the veracity of several of them. I’m not sure what to make of this; public radio around here has a notable leftward bent, which made a negative review of anything critical of Bush surprising, and NPR has been criticized in similar fashion.

I’ll note too that the headline doesn’t match the contents of the article, which doesn’t state who actually put together the list of recipients.

Not excusing this, if true. Just sayin’ that neither source seems to be above question here.

129 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #123 MandyManners

It’s an affliction I have sometimes.

You clearly don’t absorb enough MSM propaganda. Here, sit down with a copy of TIME in front of the TV playing CNN. You’ll be right as rain in a couple of hours. Unless, of course, you burn the magazine and smash the TV with a hammer, but by that point they’ll be coming for you with the nice white suit.

130 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #114 wrenchwench

But—but—-he’s free!

He’d be free to get his shit published elsewhere if I were running that joint. Hell, he would’ve been free to do so BEFORE the article in question was published if I had got wind of it.

131 Dianna  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:42:59am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

Who, generally speaking, have not read the books.

132 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:21am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

I’m sure there is a potion, salve or tincture for that.

133 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:30am

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, because they couldn’t trust the military. There was at least one call for a mass rush of the Capitol and White House to overthrow Bush and place him under arrest and set up a transitional government.

Right before or right after buying the world a Coke?

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:38am

re: #132 Creeping Eruption

I’m sure there is a potion, salve or tincture for that.

Check with Snape.

135 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:49am

The Nimbus 2000 sure was a big hit, though.

136 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:53am

re: #92 baier

I don’t believe it. Maybe it is partly ture, but it fits the “Bush” narrative, so it’ll get press.

I did get to learn some interesting sounding spells:

Wyngardium leviosa, expelliarmus, sectumsempra, expecto patronum, engorgio…you can tell that Rowling studied Latin at some time in her life.

137 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:43:59am

re: #122 baier

/Fascism is the only way to destroy Obama’s Socialist policies.

No no no, you’ve got to get it right, in the Deucer/flouncer frame of mind.

Fascism is the only way to defeat Obama’s fascist policies.
/

138 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #129 thedopefishlives

You clearly don’t absorb enough MSM propaganda. Here, sit down with a copy of TIME in front of the TV playing CNN. You’ll be right as rain in a couple of hours. Unless, of course, you burn the magazine and smash the TV with a hammer, but by that point they’ll be coming for you with the nice white suit.

I’d rather watch bass fishing and that TIME would make a good litter-box liner. Oh, wait. That would insult the cat’s anus.

139 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:04am

re: #115 Cato the Elder

As there are now.

Not quite the same thing.

An assassination fantasy versus a coup d’etat fantasy where Obama would be put under house arrest and spend days drinking sweet tea while having the intel agencies and Israeli mercenaries shooting toxic gases and radio waves into his house to make his throat sore?

It’s all good speculative drama that would make for a good movie.

140 arethusa  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #123 MandyManners

It’s an affliction I have sometimes.


I wish more people had that affliction.

141 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:21am

re: #131 Dianna

Who, generally speaking, have not read the books.

Of course not! It might endanger their immortal souls!

142 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:49am

re: #118 jaunte

I’m curious about why anyone would object to stories about fantasy witchcraft, (unless one believed it might have a chance of working).

The people who object to portrayals of witchcraft or other “evil” practices often have a severe problem distinguishing fiction from reality. They then project this onto other people and declare that thou SHALT not read anything having to do with fictional portrayals of anything that might remotely be related to evil, no matter how slight.

143 Gus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:51am

Sounds like Mr. Perry was engaging in one rather paranoid political fantasy. I’m still not getting this Marxist angle.

Ah, but the rest of the week should be filled with Olympicsgate. One news headline reads “Obama’s Olympic pitch draws GOP complaint.” Oh such “bravery” on the part of the GOP.

The farce continues.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:44:52am

re: #118 jaunte

I’m curious about why anyone would object to stories about fantasy witchcraft, (unless one believed it might have a chance of working).

Some folks don’t see a distinction between fantasy-novel magic and things like, say, Santeria rituals.

They are, of course, missing the point completely, but they’re free to not buy the books and let their kid miss out on an excellent reading experience.

There are also far-right parents who object to the Junie B. Jones series, because the first-grader heroine misspells words and sometimes disobeys her parents.

145 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #140 arethusa

I wish more people had that affliction.

No drooling involved.

146 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #136 John Neverbend

I did get to learn some interesting sounding spells:

Wyngardium leviosa, expelliarmus, sectumsempra, expecto patronum, engorgio…you can tell that Rowling studied Latin at some time in her life.

That’s “Wingardium Leviosa, not Wingardium Levee oh suh!”

147 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #94 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. It makes me wonder if Latimer is merely grinding an axe here. Some of his claims just do not make much sense, IMHO.

That seemed to be the conclusion of the reviewer I mentioned, above. They weren’t happy that very little of the material could be verified independently, and that no such second-sourcing is done in the book itself.

Could also be that the market for anti-Bush material is larger than that for pro-Bush tomes, and that cashing in on that was the motivation, rather than axe-grinding.

Or it could be true. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be any way to actually verify much of what’s written.

148 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:46:21am
149 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:46:28am

At zombie’s site, the creeps are showing up: In Berkeley…the children’s clothing boutique features Che shirts for kids · zomblog

Zombie: When are you going to leave Little Green Footballs? Charles has went left now.

150 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:46:44am

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Right before or right after buying the world a Coke?

They probably planned to pass out the Cokes afterwards according to the needs of the people.

The original call has been long removed, but here is a copy of it

TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE BY STORM – Stop Genocide, Torture and Occupation

For Nat Turner, For Martin and Coretta, For all the Torture and Assassination in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti and many others – We will not allow the Slave Holders that Still Prevail in this Country to Rule us any longer. Imprisonment and torture based on race, religion, resources or region is no different than the slavery we sought to abolish years ago. The Administration is Criminal and if they will not step down, we must storm in, show them how many of us do not accept a criminal government. How can we stand by and watch them kill our brothers, sisters, journalists and friends for their dollars?

We are calling on all Member Nations of the U.N., All Representatives and Justices in the World Court and International Criminal Courts, all soldiers and CIA agents and government officials who have been blackmailed by the dictators to incarcerate Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. The Political Cooperative will put a new government in place that is comprised of people from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and all the organizations that have finally made us aware of the truth of the savage practices and illegal policies of our government in assassinating our own officials as well as people throughout the world who oppose their criminal activity.

151 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:47:05am

re: #138 MandyManners

I’d rather watch bass fishing and that TIME would make a good litter-box liner. Oh, wait. That would insult the cat’s anus.

Me, I’d just as soon tune into the SPEED channel and use the TIME magazine as a flyswatter.

152 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:47:29am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

There was an article…I’m sorry I can’t post this without laughing…where some kid tried to have sex with a life-size Jar Jar Binks dolls that his parents had bought him. They blamed it on the movie: Star Wars.

External versus internal demons.

153 gymmom  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:47:31am

re: #118 jaunte

I’m curious about why anyone would object to stories about fantasy witchcraft, (unless one believed it might have a chance of working).

I remember speaking to someone who thought it might encourage high schoolers to cast spells. I said “OK, then what? I’m pretty sure nothing is going to happen. So what’s the harm?” I just confused them. Our family love these books. We listen to them on tape (excellent narration by Jim Dale) on long car trips. Great entertainment for the whole family!

154 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

There are also far-right parents who object to the Junie B. Jones series, because the first-grader heroine misspells words and sometimes disobeys her parents.

These things of course never happen in real life.

155 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:48:01am

re: #149 Charles

At zombie’s site, the creeps are showing up: In Berkeley…the children’s clothing boutique features Che shirts for kids · zomblog

There is also an email campaign to get Zombie to flounce, I rec’d one of their emails which I mentioned to you.

156 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:48:15am

re: #135 bosforus

Well that was defiantly a marketing fail.

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:48:30am

re: #101 Thanos

Ninnyhammers

Thanks for the new [to me] word!

158 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:48:39am

re: #149 Charles

Charles haz went left?

159 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:48:51am

A Facebook friend this morning was lamenting how he doesn’t seem to have any online friends from the other political party.

This is something I can’t understand (I don’t have that problem, because I don’t belong to any party, and I friend people for themselves, not for their views), but it seems to indicate how split the country now is.

For the record, this is how I described myself in my reply to him:

I voted for Bush in 2004 (first time ever for a Republican presidential candidate), Obama in 2008. I own guns and am for gay rights (but not forcing churches to perform marriages against their beliefs). I have never joined a political party and never will. I am a Catholic convert who reads Nietzsche. I hang out at a blog the lefty internet considers to be pure conservative poison, but which is now being pilloried by the far right for not going with the hysterical anti-Obama nuttiness. I fear crowds whether they be liberal or conservative. I think it can happen here - theocracy, fascism, anti-human eco-socialism, what have you. I believe Iran’s nuclear weapons program must be stopped at all costs and I’m a huge supporter of Israel. And I think no health-care “reform” at all might be better than the bastard child of Senators Baucus and Reid that now seems to be emerging from the congressional womb.

I piss off my friends of all political stripes. Somehow I manage to keep them. Maybe they let me hang around for the entertainment value, I don’t know…

I’m pretty sure he was shocked by some of that. Good.

160 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:08am

re: #153 gymmom

I’ve mentioned before that the Mrs. Fish’s family has a tendency to follow radical religious nutjobs quite devotedly. This is one of the areas in which I find some fault with my in-laws. When they discovered that I was a minor devotee of World of Warcraft, they flew into a frothing rage and declared that I was to purge the evil from my household immediately.

161 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:14am

re: #131 Dianna

Who, generally speaking, have not read the books.

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

162 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #149 Charles

At zombie’s site, the creeps are showing up: In Berkeley…the children’s clothing boutique features Che shirts for kids · zomblog

I thought they already settled that very same issue with the DC case?

163 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #153 gymmom

I remember speaking to someone who thought it might encourage high schoolers to cast spells. I said “OK, then what? I’m pretty sure nothing is going to happen. So what’s the harm?” I just confused them. Our family love these books. We listen to them on tape (excellent narration by Jim Dale) on long car trips. Great entertainment for the whole family!

True story: We pulled into the driveway on the way back from a very long car trip right at the end of book 5 (on tape). I’m a sucker for a sad story, and that’s just where Harry is dealing with the death of someone he loves, so I’m sniffling and snuffling and red-eyed.

A neighbor came to see us just as we pulled in.

“Um, let me explain why I look like this. Really, our trip was great…”

164 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:27am

re: #146 Thanos

That’s “Wingardium Leviosa, not Wingardium Levee oh suh!”

I’m not sure about the etymology of “Wyngardium”, but I always assumed that Rowling did it to honour this man: Jason King

165 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #155 Thanos

There is also an email campaign to get Zombie to flounce, I rec’d one of their emails which I mentioned to you.

They’re apparently emailing everyone who has ever said anything positive about me. I’m glad I could provide their empty lives with a purpose.

166 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:50:57am

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Me, I’d just as soon tune into the SPEED channel and use the TIME magazine as a flyswatter.

Poor flies.

167 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #154 jaunte

These things of course never happen in real life.

My first graders spell everything perfectly. Until they start writing.

168 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:13am

Incoming!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

169 arethusa  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:24am

re: #147 SixDegrees

I can’t find a full list of George Bush’s Medal of Freedom awardees, but the folks awarded the medal between 2001-2008 have names like General Franks, Irving Kristol, Tony Blair, Paul Rusesabagina. He also had an expected tendency to award them to baseball players like Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron, and long-serving Republican politicians.

The medal is awarded “for especially meritorious contribution to (1) the security or national interests of the United States, or (2) world peace, or (3) cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.” I love the Harry Potter books, but J. K. Rowling doesn’t belong with some of those names, and I don’t think she meets the criteria.

170 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

Well, from their pulpits, anyway. One measure of the success of their message is the number of Harry Potter books sold, which shattered many records worldwide and in many countries, including the US.

By that metric, frothing over the books seems to have been an epic fail.

171 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

I don’t know about banning, but I have heard similar criticism coming from the same quarters as the anti-Rowlings in the past.

172 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:46am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

Well, while she did get a lot of kids to read, I’m not so sure why she deserves the award, but then, a lot of people who don’t deserve it get it. Didn’t Obama give it to some Israel hater?

And I’ve read her books; they don’t really support “witchcraft” the way most Christians would define it, which involves evil.

173 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:51:59am

re: #149 Charles

The creeps at the stalker blog have been wanting Zombie to flounce for quite some time now.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:52:09am

re: #160 thedopefishlives

I’ve mentioned before that the Mrs. Fish’s family has a tendency to follow radical religious nutjobs quite devotedly. This is one of the areas in which I find some fault with my in-laws. When they discovered that I was a minor devotee of World of Warcraft, they flew into a frothing rage and declared that I was to purge the evil from my household immediately.

Dear God. I don’t know what they’d made of my home. I am basically a Widow of Warcraft.

175 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:53:23am

re: #168 Charles

Incoming!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Batten down the hatches and bar the gates. We’sa gonna get a poundin’.

176 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:53:33am

re: #131 Dianna

Yes, they fear that they might become contaminated with the influence of Satan. Is old scratch really so powerful he can prevail over the forces of good? They seem to think that the forces of Hell are stronger than the forces of Heaven. Of course they are so narrow minded they cannot see down both sides of an axe blade at at the same time, and cannot see the conclusion to their own arguments.

177 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:53:43am

re: #152 gregb

There was an article…I’m sorry I can’t post this without laughing…where some kid tried to have sex with a life-size Jar Jar Binks dolls that his parents had bought him. They blamed it on the movie: Star Wars.

External versus internal demons.

A life-size JarJar Binks doll.

Somewhere, there is a former toy executive saying, “Would you like fries with that?”

178 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:53:46am

EmmmieG,

“I, personally, just make sure my children can distinguish between fiction and non-fiction.”

Exactly, and parents who cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction cannot tell the difference between a testament of religious belief (The Bible/Koran/Vedas, etc…) and a scientific treatise (“The Origin of Species”).

To me, that is just a sign that basic education in America is failing to equip its students with the basic intellectual skills to comprehend and deal with their world.

179 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:53:58am

re: #124 Cato the Elder

The real, serious, mouth-foaming Harry Potter hatred comes from evangelicals.

J.K.Rowling is a witch wench Billionaire.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:54:13am

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

Don’t know, but some group called Americans for Separation of Church and State has.

181 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:54:18am

Here come the farks!

182 Liberal Classic  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:54:25am

Only fascism can save us from communism?

What’s the quote by Mark Twain, history doesn’t repeat but it rhymes?

183 Randall Gross  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:54:28am

re: #157 wrenchwench

Thanks for the new [to me] word!

You are quite welcome, it’s a word with five centuries of use and a long tradition. It comes from “ninno” or something like that, which means childish, foolish. You can find many early American political cartoons that feature an opponent hammering fists in high-chair and wailing. Hence “Ninnyhammer” or “Ninnyhammerer”

184 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:54:28am

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Dear God. I don’t know what they’d made of my home. I am basically a Widow of Warcraft.

A woman teaching a class at church was trying really hard to convince us that our husbands really want us to get in touch with their nurturing sides. She insisted that they want us to draw them a bubble bath, etc.

It was all I could do not to say “Sorry, but according to all available evidence, my husband wants to get in touch with the side of him that shoots aliens.”

185 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #181 bosforus

Here come the farks!

What the farg is a fark?

186 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:26am

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Dear God. I don’t know what they’d made of my home. I am basically a Widow of Warcraft.

I’ve got to monitor my wife closely or she’ll get sucked in for hours

187 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

Wouldn’t surprise me. These folks seem to have a very hard time distinguishing fiction/myths/parables from reality.

I think I’ll run a search on that.

188 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:37am

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Dear God. I don’t know what they’d made of my home. I am basically a Widow of Warcraft.

Following this thread of conversation as wella s the thread in general, I don’t quite understand the mindset. It’s FICTION, fantasy, not real by its very definion. Is it so wrong to encourage the imagination, to dream of worlds beyond our own and realms where anything is possible? Is it so bad to imagine that forces of good can wield powers of “magic” that have been demonized in our own time? If we have to live in reality every day of our lives, well, that’s a very depressing life to live.

189 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:53am

re: #172 Kosh’s Shadow

Well, while she did get a lot of kids to read, I’m not so sure why she deserves the award, but then, a lot of people who don’t deserve it get it. Didn’t Obama give it to some Israel hater?

And I’ve read her books; they don’t really support “witchcraft” the way most Christians would define it, which involves evil.

Mary Robinson?

[Link: www.voanews.com…]

190 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #168 Charles

Incoming!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Holy Fark!

191 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:01am

re: #173 Honorary Yooper

The creeps at the stalker blog have been wanting Zombie to flounce for quite some time now.

Well, Zombie hasn’t been banned but the undead one’s last post was 9/14

192 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:03am

re: #171 Pianobuff

I don’t know about banning, but I have heard similar criticism coming from the same quarters as the anti-Rowlings in the past.

*gasp* … Really? … Wow

/It must be nice to be so certain about G*d that one never looks in the mirror.

193 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:08am

re: #175 thedopefishlives

Batten down the hatches and bar the gates. We’sa gonna get a poundin’.

They’re coming out of the God damn walls!

194 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:14am

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

In my opinion, Lewis’ books are better written than Rowling’s. There’s rather less overt magic but more dwarves and talking animals.

195 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:23am

I didn’t realize that Joy Behar had her own show now. Will she be the “anti-Beck”?

196 bosforus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #185 Capitalist Tool

What the farg is a fark?

re: #168 Charles

Incoming!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

197 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:57:29am

Zombie seems to be doing a real bang-up job of defending you, too, Charles.

198 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #177 SixDegrees

A life-size JarJar Binks doll.

Somewhere, there is a former toy executive saying, “Would you like fries with that?”

I had to google it. It’s become legend. Original July 1999.

[Link: www.landoverbaptist.org…]

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:57:32am

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Don’t know, but some group called Americans for Separation of Church and State has.

Thanks for the info.

200 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:57:36am

re: #159 Cato the Elder

You seem to be someone I would love to exchange ideas with, preferably over a few pints of IPA. Please challenge me, I love new ideas and do listen and often change my views. I am sure you do the same.

201 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:58:12am

re: #169 arethusa

I can’t find a full list of George Bush’s Medal of Freedom awardees, but the folks awarded the medal between 2001-2008 have names like General Franks, Irving Kristol, Tony Blair, Paul Rusesabagina. He also had an expected tendency to award them to baseball players like Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron, and long-serving Republican politicians.

The medal is awarded “for especially meritorious contribution to (1) the security or national interests of the United States, or (2) world peace, or (3) cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.” I love the Harry Potter books, but J. K. Rowling doesn’t belong with some of those names, and I don’t think she meets the criteria.

I think one could argue that she does meet them, especially the last. But there are always far more deserving candidates than there are recipients, so it’s hard to see this as an exclusion. The author doesn’t bother naming anyone involved or even give details about what transpired, which makes the whole incident seem rather vaporous. I guess my take is - who cares? If she had received the award, I certainly wouldn’t have complained about it. The fact that she didn’t gets a big “Meh” from me.

202 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:58:42am

re: #192 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*gasp* … Really? … Wow

/It must be nice to be so certain about G*d that one never looks in the mirror.

I didn’t get it at all when someone “warned” me about the books. The allegory could hardly be any more obvious vis a vis Aslan’s personage.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #176 StillAMarine

Yes, they fear that they might become contaminated with the influence of Satan. Is old scratch really so powerful he can prevail over the forces of good? They seem to think that the forces of Hell are stronger than the forces of Heaven. Of course they are so narrow minded they cannot see down both sides of an axe blade at at the same time, and cannot see the conclusion to their own arguments.

In fact, in the preface to The Screwtape Letters, Lewis discusses the philosophical and theological failings of thinking of Satan as being equivalent to God in power. But there has been a consistent problem in certain Protestant traditions with ascribing far too much influence to the devil.

204 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:59:00am

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist


There are also far-right parents who object to the Junie B. Jones series, because the first-grader heroine misspells words and sometimes disobeys her parents.

My oldest girl loves those, and The Boxcar Children. It’s about all she ever talks about.

205 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:59:06am

re: #181 bosforus

Here come the farks!

Hell, they need to figure out how to monetize only the Fark links. :-)

206 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:59:08am

re: #189 MandyManners

Mary Robinson?

[Link: www.voanews.com…]

We might be overloading the server; I get an “internal error”, but I think some people overdo it with the “witchcraft” stuff.

Calls for this:

207 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:59:57am

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Haven’t laffed so hard since…um…the Palin Greatest Hits video last night.

208 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:00:19am

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

In fact, in the preface to The Screwtape Letters, Lewis discusses the philosophical and theological failings of thinking of Satan as being equivalent to God in power. But there has been a consistent problem in certain Protestant traditions with ascribing far too much influence to the devil.

approaching dualism among the most extreme.

209 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:00:50am

re: #200 StillAMarine

You seem to be someone I would love to exchange ideas with, preferably over a few pints of IPA. Please challenge me, I love new ideas and do listen and often change my views. I am sure you do the same.

My nick is blue.

210 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:01:11am

re: #200 StillAMarine

You seem to be someone I would love to exchange ideas with, preferably over a few pints of IPA. Please challenge me, I love new ideas and do listen and often change my views. I am sure you do the same.

Beer summit!

Have you tried High Tide from Lost Abbey?

211 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:01:19am

re: #191 Kosh’s Shadow

Well, Zombie hasn’t been banned but the undead one’s last post was 9/14

Zombie has come and gone in the past, so who knows. If Zombie left, then Zombie did. As far as I know, Zombie has not said one word about LGF on Zomblog. Zombie even ignored the commentors talking about Charles and LGF.

212 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:01:36am
213 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:02:02am

re: #136 John Neverbend

I did get to learn some interesting sounding spells:

Wyngardium leviosa, expelliarmus, sectumsempra, expecto patronum, engorgio…you can tell that Rowling studied Latin at some time in her life.

I kept hoping that she’d have Hermione take Latin at some point. (I can’t imagine anyone else wanting to.)
Note that I took 5 years of Latin, in grades 7-11, hated every minute of it, but am glad I did.

214 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:02:14am

re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven’t read CS Lewis’ Narnia books, but it my understanding that their plots involve magic. Have the evangelicals tried to ban Lewis too?

/that’d be hilarious

Actually, the evangelicals are none too happy with Lewis, but for entirely different reasons. They see him as a Catholic apologist, a filthy Papist, and - like all who stray so much as the breadth of a gnat’s eyelash outside their narrow view of faith - a heretic.

It’s more an under-the-breath sort of murmuring, though, compared to their normally strident, torches-and-pitchforks calls to arms they issue against those promoting science, and other forms of outright sorcery.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:02:39am

re: #194 John Neverbend

In my opinion, Lewis’ books are better written than Rowling’s. There’s rather less overt magic but more dwarves and talking animals.

I loved the books as a child, but find them trite now. And I have some serious problems with some of it. I still have enormous respect for Lewis as a theologian and a storyteller.

I’m still waiting for the heck that’s gonna break out when the studio doing the movies runs into having to portray the Calormenes.

216 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:03:16am

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I loved the books as a child, but find them trite now. And I have some serious problems with some of it. I still have enormous respect for Lewis as a theologian and a storyteller.

I’m still waiting for the heck that’s gonna break out when the studio doing the movies runs into having to portray the Calormenes.

I loved a Horse and His Boy.

217 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:03:53am

re: #198 gregb

I had to google it. It’s become legend. Original July 1999.

[Link: www.landoverbaptist.org…]

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

218 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, the Screwtape Letters is what prompted the comment.

“Screw” as in thumbscrew, “tape” as in tapeworm. And he lost the soul he was striving for and ended up as a meal for his uncle.

219 gymmom  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:16am

re: #204 Guanxi88

My oldest girl loves those, and The Boxcar Children. It’s about all she ever talks about.

Mine too, and Roald Dahl. Most these good books have very little adult influence in the children’s life. (Or evil influence in Dahl’s case). But I think that is what makes them attractive to the youngsters on their way to independence.

220 truth stick  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Me, I’d just as soon tune into the SPEED channel and use the TIME magazine as a flyswatter.

me too, especially now since they finally gave me SPEED HD on Charter.

221 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #206 Kosh’s Shadow

We might be overloading the server; I get an “internal error”, but I think some people overdo it with the “witchcraft” stuff.

Calls for this:

I’m not commenting on the witchcraft stuff but, on Mary Robinson.

222 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:43am

Maybe a nice time for an open registration.

223 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:04:47am

re: #208 Pianobuff

approaching dualism among the most extreme.

There are some who appear to need a dualistic Devil to help fill the “them” niche in their view of reality.

/no, I did not use the word … “paranoia” … heh

224 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:05:04am

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the heck that’s gonna break out when the studio doing the movies runs into having to portray the Calormenes.

Yeah, that could be a ticklish subject.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #202 Pianobuff

I didn’t get it at all when someone “warned” me about the books. The allegory could hardly be any more obvious vis a vis Aslan’s personage.

A little boy once wrote a letter to Lewis, concerned because he loved Aslan more than Jesus, and knew that was wrong.

Lewis wrote a lovely, very warm letter back to him, explaining that the feelings he had for Aslan were the feelings he would have for Jesus as an adult, once he understood adult things better, and that he should not worry that his feelings were wrong.

A really nice man, was Lewis. And a staunch anti-fascist, BTW.

226 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:05:35am

Back to the laundry room.

227 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:05:36am

re: #127 StillAMarine

If the Republicans cannot get out from under their anti-science religious fanatic crazies, there will be no chance of cleaning out the House and Senate in 2010.

I agree. We’ll end up with a one-party system, and that is not good.
(If the MSM actually would treat another party seriously, then we’d have the chance of keeping a 2-viable-party system, but they treat other parties as loonies, if they cover them at all.)

228 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:05:59am

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the heck that’s gonna break out when the studio doing the movies runs into having to portray the Calormenes.

You can be sure that they’ll take the politically correct route.

229 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #214 SixDegrees

Actually, the evangelicals are none too happy with Lewis, but for entirely different reasons. They see him as a Catholic apologist, a filthy Papist, and - like all who stray so much as the breadth of a gnat’s eyelash outside their narrow view of faith - a heretic.

It’s more an under-the-breath sort of murmuring, though, compared to their normally strident, torches-and-pitchforks calls to arms they issue against those promoting science, and other forms of outright sorcery.

I can well imagine

230 jaunte  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:26am

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Maybe a nice time for an open registration.

It’s good to see you’re feeling better!

231 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:29am

re: #221 MandyManners

I’m not commenting on the witchcraft stuff but, on Mary Robinson.

Thank you. The video didn’t work the first time.

232 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:34am

re: #217 SixDegrees

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

It’s possible it first came from The Onion, and some twit who couldn’t tell satire even if it smacked him in the face probably thought it was real.

233 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:47am

Meanwhile, Inspector Dan Riehl is still spewing out his sick fantasies about the murder of Bill Sparkman. I won’t link until Google caches it. But now he says Sparkman was probably masturbating.

234 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:06:54am

re: #210 gregb

I have not. But I will look for it. How about Stone Mountain breweries? A hippie, hoppy beverage. Of course Big Rock Breweries in Edmonton is good, along with Highland Breweries of North Carolina.

235 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:00am

re: #228 John Neverbend

You can be sure that they’ll take the politically correct route.

Norsemen, do you think? Toothless back-country yokels? A lot about them make sno sense at all except in the context of a sort of Turko-Islamic cultural background.

236 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:03am

re: #217 SixDegrees

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

That plus the Harry Potter references made me remember the infamous “Harry Potter Broomstick” toy and all the stories that went with it.

237 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #214 SixDegrees

Actually, the evangelicals are none too happy with Lewis, but for entirely different reasons. They see him as a Catholic apologist, a filthy Papist, and - like all who stray so much as the breadth of a gnat’s eyelash outside their narrow view of faith - a heretic.

It’s more an under-the-breath sort of murmuring, though, compared to their normally strident, torches-and-pitchforks calls to arms they issue against those promoting science, and other forms of outright sorcery.

The fact that he, at times, allowed for a more universal salvation model did not help matters for him. He caught a lot of grief in The Last Battle over this.

238 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #233 Charles

Meanwhile, Inspector Dan Riehl is still spewing out his sick fantasies about the murder of Bill Sparkman. I won’t link until Google caches it. But now he says Sparkman was probably masturbating.

Projection.

239 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:24am

re: #118 jaunte

I’m curious about why anyone would object to stories about fantasy witchcraft, (unless one believed it might have a chance of working).

My absolutely favorite books as a kid were the Evelyn Nesbit series “Five Children and It,” “The Phoenix and the Carpet” and the third book about some prehistoric magical creature. My kids all read these books and loved them.

Then I read “Lord of the Rings” as a teenager. For some reason, only my #5 son loved these books, and he only read them after the first movie in the trilogy came out.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #217 SixDegrees

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

They’re not real, thanks be to God.

241 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:07am

re: #233 Charles

Meanwhile, Inspector Dan Riehl is still spewing out his sick fantasies about the murder of Bill Sparkman. I won’t link until Google caches it. But now he says Sparkman was probably masturbating.

Projecting much is he?

242 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:10am

re: #233 Charles

Racist creep RS McCain is on the scene investigating. He’s detailing the tattoos of all the people he meets (not kidding).

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:11am

re: #239 Alouette

A Wrinkle in Time. I totally identified with Meg.

244 erraticsphinx  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:24am

re: #233 Charles

Woahhh.

245 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:25am

re: #226 MandyManners

Back to the laundry room.

Do you make house calls?

/*diving for cover*

246 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Projecting much is he?

GMTA

247 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #233 Charles

Meanwhile, Inspector Dan Riehl is still spewing out his sick fantasies about the murder of Bill Sparkman. I won’t link until Google caches it. But now he says Sparkman was probably masturbating.

Says far more about Dan Riehl than it ever will about Bill Sparkman. Riehl’s probably projecting himself onto the canvas of Bill Sparkman.

248 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:31am

re: #230 jaunte

Thanks. Feeling much better.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #218 StillAMarine

Yes, the Screwtape Letters is what prompted the comment.

“Screw” as in thumbscrew, “tape” as in tapeworm. And he lost the soul he was striving for and ended up as a meal for his uncle.

It’s a really good piece of writing.

250 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:08:57am

BBL

251 erraticsphinx  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:09:07am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

I saw that on his blog too. Charles, you were absolutely right about him, and the mask is slipping off very, very quickly.

252 gymmom  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #239 Alouette

My absolutely favorite books as a kid were the Evelyn Nesbit series “Five Children and It,” “The Phoenix and the Carpet” and the third book about some prehistoric magical creature. My kids all read these books and loved them.

Then I read “Lord of the Rings” as a teenager. For some reason, only my #5 son loved these books, and he only read them after the first movie in the trilogy came out.

ANd what about the Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins!

253 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:09:22am

Time to go grocery shopping. Sometimes I stop and think about what this task will be like when the boys are teenagers.

254 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:09:33am

re: #238 Guanxi88

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heh, GMTA!

255 Pianobuff  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:09:53am

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

A little boy once wrote a letter to Lewis, concerned because he loved Aslan more than Jesus, and knew that was wrong.

Lewis wrote a lovely, very warm letter back to him, explaining that the feelings he had for Aslan were the feelings he would have for Jesus as an adult, once he understood adult things better, and that he should not worry that his feelings were wrong.

A really nice man, was Lewis. And a staunch anti-fascist, BTW.

He was difficult to put in a political box as well. In one of his essays or writings (I forget at the moment), he imagines that the ideal form of government that would best reflect Christian values (not meaning a theocracy) would have elements of both socialism and capitalism.

256 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:10:33am

A funny pic from the fark thread.

257 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #235 Guanxi88

Norsemen, do you think? Toothless back-country yokels? A lot about them make sno sense at all except in the context of a sort of Turko-Islamic cultural background.

More likely goose-stepping, with greased hair and small moustaches.

258 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #257 John Neverbend

More likely goose-stepping, with greased hair and small moustaches.

What, they won’t make them look like stereotype Jooos?
That will be in the Arab version.
/

259 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:12:02am

re: #217 SixDegrees

That was a sub section of an antibush website named [Link: www.whitehouse.com….] Now shut down.

260 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:13:00am

re: #252 gymmom

ANd what about the Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins!

I read the books, but the movies are more memorable.

261 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:13:40am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

A funny pic from the fark thread.

A new song for the little kids

Instead of Barak Hussein Obama ,,, mmm,mmm, mmm

it’s

Sarah Louise Palin ,, nuh ,, uh,,, uh

262 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:13:44am

Who is this GMTA person everyone’s talking about?

263 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #262 Cato the Elder

Great Minds Think Alike

264 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:14:44am

re: #209 Cato the Elder

My nick is blue.

How does one do that?

265 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:03am

re: #262 Cato the Elder

Who is this GMTA person everyone’s talking about?

The new Czar of GM

Tom Arnold

/

266 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #264 John Neverbend

How does one do that?

Hold your breath for a long time

267 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:27am
268 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:36am

re: #264 John Neverbend

How does one do that?

Extreme abstinence
/rimshot

269 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:50am

re: #227 Kosh’s Shadow


(If the MSM actually would treat another party seriously, then we’d have the chance of keeping a 2-viable-party system, but they treat other parties as loonies, if they cover them at all.)

If the folks behind third parties would act slightly less insane than Perot, for example, that would be a major step in getting them covered in a serious manner.

270 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:15:52am

re: #266 sattv4u2

Hold your breath for a long time

Tee hee. By the way, was my calculation in probability correct?

271 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:16:21am

re: #14 Ben Hur

re: #21 Capitalist Tool

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Need CENTER party.

Perhaps Whig, perhaps some other.

With two parties, there is no center; left extremists take one party, right extremists the other.

We need a center party, one with standards for membership, which will kick extremists out.

272 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Extreme abstinence
/rimshot

Prolonged exposure to low temperatures?

273 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:18:09am

re: #270 John Neverbend

Tee hee. By the way, was my calculation in probability correct?

Musta missed it,, sorry ,, stepped away till just now

274 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:19:02am

re: #269 bratwurst

If the folks behind third parties would act slightly less insane than Perot, for example, that would be a major step in getting them covered in a serious manner.

I think the MSM only pays attention to the ones that are crazy because they don’t consider the others interesting.
It will have to start with some candidates winning in, maybe Congressional elections, and then, maybe the national MSM will pay attention.
But to get elected, the local MSM has to cover the candidates, or most voters will immediately lump them with the fringe ones.

275 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #271 Ojoe

We need a center party, one with standards for membership

If being alive is one of them, we’ll never win Chicago and Cook County!

276 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:19:42am
Perhaps Whig, perhaps some other.

I’m all for Victorian Whig (the 19th century liberal type that VDH mentioned in support of Charles).

277 Mark Pennington  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #233 Charles

He’s a sicko.

278 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:20:16am

re: #194 John Neverbend

IMHO there is no comparison between Tolkein’s writing and Rowlands; Tolkein is vastly better.

279 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #264 John Neverbend

How does one do that?

Put an email address in the box in the comment form and select the show email checkbox. It generally is used to indicate that a lizard can be contacted via email by clicking on their nic above one of their comments.

It also turns blue when you put a web address in the Web site box. Mine is that way, it leads to my neglected blog, Cold Raptor.

280 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:21:02am

re: #278 Ojoe

IMHO there is no comparison between Tolkein’s writing and Rowlands; Tolkein is vastly better.

I agree, but has anybody ever made such a comparison?

281 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:21:19am

Wow, this story was on Stormfront and Infowars yesterday. I thought it would be too crazy for the right wing blogs but I was wrong.
Michelle Malkin:
What’s happening in Hardin, Montana?


This is the strange story of how American Police Force, a little known company which claims to specialize in training military and security forces overseas, has seemingly taken control of a $27 million, never-used jail, and a rural Montana town’s nonexistent police force.

After arriving in this tiny city with three Mercedes SUVs marked with the logo of a police department that has never existed, representatives of the obscure California security company said preparations were under way to take over Hardin’s jail, which has no prisoners.



The secrecy has led to speculation that the deal is tied to President Obama’s search for Gitmo detainee housing alternatives in the U.S. Hardin jail officials expressed interest in accepting released Gitmo enemy combatants last spring.

There’s not enough info to determine what exactly is going on

282 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:21:27am

Anger rising.

Mass Palestinian Prisoner Release Being Negotiated, Hamas Leader Says

The release of a tape showing that captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit is alive is the first stage of a broader deal being negotiated with Israel on the release of 1,000 Palestinian prisoners, the senior Hamas leader in Gaza said Wednesday. Dr. Mahmoud Zahar also said that Hamas is close to reconciling its differences with the rival Fatah movement in the West Bank.

283 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Maybe a nice time for an open registration.

It’s been open for a while now, but as usual nobody notices unless I announce it.

284 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:21:50am

re: #280 John Neverbend

It is rather a useless comparison.

285 StillAMarine  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:22:50am

Gota go back to work. NOTE: My nick is blue.

286 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:23:08am

re: #283 Charles

The fark comments aren’t as harsh about LGF as they’ve been in the past.

287 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:23:53am

re: #285 StillAMarine

Gota go back to work. NOTE: My nick is blue.

I thought you nic was “stillamarine?”

288 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:23:56am

re: #280 John Neverbend

I agree, but has anybody ever made such a comparison?

Only those that haven’t read anything from either one of them and only know their works from the publicity surrounding the books and the movies.

289 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:24:05am

re: #279 CyanSnowHawk

Put an email address in the box in the comment form and select the show email checkbox. It generally is used to indicate that a lizard can be contacted via email by clicking on their nic above one of their comments.

Ta.

290 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:24:29am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

Too crazy for Malkin? I can’t even imagine what that would be…

291 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I thought you nic was “stillamarine?”

Maybe thats his real name!

292 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:25:23am

re: #283 Charles

As soon as I posted this, banned user ‘orfannykl’ (who spammed our spinoff links relentlessly with links to his crappy blog) tried to register a sock puppet.

293 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:25:34am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

The fark comments aren’t as harsh about LGF as they’ve been in the past.

Of course. We’re citicizing those they love to criticize. We were cricitizing those they like in the past. It’s a temporary thing, I can assure you. The minute Charles posts an article criticizng something the Farkers like, they’ll be back to being harsh as usual.

294 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

The fark comments aren’t as harsh about LGF as they’ve been in the past.

You’re slacking Charles.

295 Mark Pennington  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:27:07am

re: #290 wrenchwench

*giggles*

296 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:27:46am

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anger rising.

Mass Palestinian Prisoner Release Being Negotiated, Hamas Leader Says

1,000 Palestinians for one Israeli soldier.

Shows the relative value the two sides put on a human life.

297 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:28:07am

For the mirror image of that Fark thread:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

298 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:28:19am

re: #283 Charles

It’s been open for a while now, but as usual nobody notices unless I announce it.

You went all sneaky like and remove the (closed) tag from the link. Now people have to click it to know the state if you don’t announce. The lazy ones can’t be bothered.

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #292 Charles

As soon as I posted this, banned user ‘orfannykl’ (who spammed our spinoff links relentlessly with links to his crappy blog) tried to register a sock puppet.

It’s a source of never-ending amazement to me what some people do in place of having a life.

300 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:29:29am

re: #296 Cato the Elder

1,000 Palestinians for one Israeli soldier.

Shows the relative value the two sides put on a human life.

They want to set the rate of exchange at 1000 to 1, then they should be expected to pay it.

301 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:29:31am

A classic comment by a freeper:

Calling RSM a white supremacist is laughable.

I’d say it is beneath Charles, but he’s gone bananas.

18 posted on September 30, 2009 10:11:57 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Jimmy Carter is America’s hemorrhoid)

Note that Robert Stacy McCain actually posted links to white supremacist sites — at Free Republic.

The stupid is very powerful within the Freepers.

302 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

You’re thinking of “The Story of the Amulet.”

Nesbit is a lot of fun, despite her displaying the standard antisemitism common to Fabians of her day. Her caricatures of Jews in “Amulet”—the seller of the amulet, the Bronze Age invaders of Egypt, the Stock Exchange scene when the Queen of Babylon comes to town—and in “The Story of the Treasure-Seekers” (Mr. Rosenbaum the moneylender) are a little disturbing to the modern reader.

I did not notice that, and neither did my kids, who would have been much more sensitive to such things being yeshiva educated.

I collect antique cookbooks (kosher and non kosher) and one of the non-kosher ones (Beeton’s Book of Household Management, 1852) is ferocious in its anti-Semitism, in the pork recipes section. Why the Christian author felt compelled to get so defense about eating pork, I have no idea.

303 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:32:21am

re: #296 Cato the Elder

The Israelis have made a deal to release 20 Palestinian terrorists for a video showing Shalit is still alive. Wrap your head around that.

Where are the calls for Hamas to release Shalit as a humanitarian gesture. It’s all on Israel to release terrorists who want nothing more than the opportunity to kill Israelis - including one woman who wanted to be a suicide bomber and used her pregnancy to hide explosives under her garments. She was caught before the bomb could explode.

304 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:32:27am
305 Mark Pennington  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:32:28am

I have to go to work and miss all the fun. Have a nice day guys.

306 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:32:57am

For . The . Record

I’m renouncing Lizardship for the time being.

(A few minutes ago, I went out on the porch for a moment and a fly got into the apartment, so now I have the flyswatter out.)

I REFUSE TO CATCH THE BASTARD WITH MY TONGUE ! ! !

307 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:33:33am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

For . The . Record

I’m renouncing Lizardship for the time being.

(A few minutes ago, I went out on the porch for a moment and a fly got into the apartment, so now I have the flyswatter out.)

I REFUSE TO CATCH THE BASTARD WITH MY TONGUE ! ! !

Do I get an award in the Flounce Contest?

308 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #296 Cato the Elder

1,000 Palestinians for one Israeli soldier.

Shows the relative value the two sides put on a human life.

Then they complain “The Jews are racist! They say the life of one Jew is worth 1000 Palestinians!”

Well, excuse me, it’s not the Jews who set that value.

309 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:34:15am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mmmm. Protein.

310 Right mind left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:35:08am

Somewhat OT, I am usually a reader and only post occasionally - too slow to keep up with all the nuances here but try to stay up on what seems to be important…

I have enjoyed reading the quick witted stuff and am disturbed by all the negative trends.

Just clicked on Charles’ mirror image to the Fark thread and a poster was asking why the beef on Palin but not Obama Ayers? Is it PC to ask why?

311 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:35:47am

re: #310 Right mind left

Somewhat OT, I am usually a reader and only post occasionally - too slow to keep up with all the nuances here but try to stay up on what seems to be important…

I have enjoyed reading the quick witted stuff and am disturbed by all the negative trends.

Just clicked on Charles’ mirror image to the Fark thread and a poster was asking why the beef on Palin but not Obama Ayers? Is it PC to ask why?

Because the story is complete crap, that’s why.

312 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #309 Bubblehead II

Mmmm. Protein.

Hmmm. Hadn’t thought about that.

313 Right mind left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:36:19am

So Obama wrote his own books?

314 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:36:21am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

For . The . Record

I’m renouncing Lizardship for the time being.

(A few minutes ago, I went out on the porch for a moment and a fly got into the apartment, so now I have the flyswatter out.)

I REFUSE TO CATCH THE BASTARD WITH MY TONGUE ! ! !

I prefer Chop sticks Master

315 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #303 lawhawk

The Israelis have made a deal to release 20 Palestinian terrorists for a video showing Shalit is still alive. Wrap your head around that.

Where are the calls for Hamas to release Shalit as a humanitarian gesture. It’s all on Israel to release terrorists who want nothing more than the opportunity to kill Israelis - including one woman who wanted to be a suicide bomber and used her pregnancy to hide explosives under her garments. She was caught before the bomb could explode.

Perhaps this is a gambit, to hopefully find out if he is really alive. Israel may want some final proof so they can make some decisions?

316 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:36:52am

re: #313 Right mind left

So Obama wrote his own books?

Your in a hole, suggest you stop digging.

317 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:37:32am

re: #302 Alouette

I did not notice that, and neither did my kids, who would have been much more sensitive to such things being yeshiva educated.

I collect antique cookbooks (kosher and non kosher) and one of the non-kosher ones (Beeton’s Book of Household Management, 1852) is ferocious in its anti-Semitism, in the pork recipes section. Why the Christian author felt compelled to get so defense about eating pork, I have no idea.

Mrs. Beeton?

[Link: www.mrsbeeton.com…]

318 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:37:44am

Bibi: We must fix disengagement’s mistakes

During the cabinet discussion, the prime minister referred to the Israeli pullout from Gaza in 2005. “There is no and there can be no situation in which Israel withdraws from a territory, is attacked with missiles from the same territory it withdrew from, and is not be given the right to defend itself,” he said.

Speaking a day after the state commission of inquiry into the handling of Gush Katif evacuees released its interim report, Netanyahu claimed that “there were theses that supported the pullout. One was that the pullout would promote peace and halt any attacks or firing of missiles from the Gaza Strip. According to the second one, even if the missile attacks on Israel would not be halted, we would have international legitimization to respond to aggression with all our force.

“We must say this with all integrity – these two assumptions have collapsed,” Netanyahu told the cabinet. “The logic of these theses has collapsed completely. Today we are required to fix mistakes made in the past. We must guarantee that territories adjacent to the urban centers of the State of Israel would be demilitarized and won’t be able to turn into terror and missile bases against Israel,” he explained.

319 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:37:48am

re: #316 Lee Coller

You’re in a hole, suggest you stop digging.


And suggest I learn how to spell.

320 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:38:12am

re: #314 HoosierHoops

I prefer Chop sticks Master

You are so hilarious, Mifune friend!

/I wonder how the special effects were done in that scene

321 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:38:21am

re: #310 Right mind left

“we’ try not to condone bad behaviour by siting OTHER bad behaviour

IF Obama’s book(s) were all or in part written by Ayers (or,, insert any other radical) does not make it okay for Palins to be written all or in part by (insert any unsavory character/ group)

322 SFGoth  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:38:21am

re: #9 Charles

The whole thing is horrible, but this line in particular is a jawdropper:

Running a legitimate candidate in 2012?

323 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #314 HoosierHoops

I prefer Chop sticks Master

You go hungry a LOT ,, don’t ya !

324 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #313 Right mind left

So Obama wrote his own books?

The crack-brained idea that Bill Ayers wrote Obama’s books is garbage. It comes from a creationist writer who tried to claim that the Clintons murdered Vince Foster, and it’s being heavily promoted by the looniest far right website, World Net Daily.

I get really tired of explaining this. But I’m going to say this again — if you try to promote this idiocy at LGF, you’ll lose your account.

325 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:39:23am

re: #306 pre-Boomer Marine brat

For . The . Record

I’m renouncing Lizardship for the time being.

(A few minutes ago, I went out on the porch for a moment and a fly got into the apartment, so now I have the flyswatter out.)

I REFUSE TO CATCH THE BASTARD WITH MY TONGUE ! ! !

I’ve seen little lizards in my yard hide on a thyme flower and snatch a bee that was about to feast there. The bee was bigger than the lizard’s head.

326 vetpox  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:40:01am

Isn’t this why we have elections? throw the bums out.

327 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:40:32am

re: #317 MandyManners

Mrs. Beeton?

[Link: www.mrsbeeton.com…]

It looks as if it’s been expurgated from the on-line edition.

[Link: www.mrsbeeton.com…]

328 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:42:12am

re: #317 MandyManners

Mrs. Beeton?

[Link: www.mrsbeeton.com…]

Thanks, I found it.

THE ANTIQUITY OF THE HOG.—By what nation and in what period the hog was reclaimed, is involved in the deepest obscurity. So far back as we have any records of history, we find notices of this animal, and of its flesh being used as the food of man. By some nations, however, its flesh was denounced as unclean, and therefore prohibited to be used, whilst by others it was esteemed as a great delicacy. By the Mosaic law it was forbidden to be eaten by the Jews, and the Mahometans hold it in utter abhorrence. Dr. Kitto, however, says that there does not appear to be any reason in the law of Moses why the hog should be held in such peculiar abomination. There seems nothing to have prevented the Jews, if they had been so inclined, to rear pigs for sale, or for the use of the land. In the Talmud there are some indications that this was actually done; and it was, probably, for such purposes that the herds of swine mentioned in the New Testament were kept, although it is usual to consider that they were kept by the foreign settlers in the land. Indeed, the story which accounts for the peculiar aversion of the Hebrews to the hog, assumes that it did not originate until about 130 years before Christ, and that, previously, some Jews were in the habit of rearing hogs for the purposes indicated.

329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #323 sattv4u2

You go hungry a LOT ,, don’t ya !

Watch the third film in the Musashi Miyamoto Trilogy.

330 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:43:28am

re: #326 vetpox

Isn’t this why we have elections? throw the bums out.

Nahhh ,,, we have them so school gyms and libraries get used every so often!

/gggeeezzz

331 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:44:10am

That particular paragraph has more anti-Jewish stuff in the print edition, which I do not have with me at the moment.

332 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:44:20am

Ron Paul on Daily Show End the Fed edition

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #228 John Neverbend

You can be sure that they’ll take the politically correct route.

I’m equally sure that it won’t be politically correct enough to avoid controversy.

334 philosophus invidius  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:44:26am

The Bush-haters threated to move to Canada. I guess these guys advocate a military coup since they impossible for them to move to where’d they like to live … 1861.

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:44:50am

re: #325 wrenchwench

I’ve seen little lizards in my yard hide on a thyme flower and snatch a bee that was about to feast there. The bee was bigger than the lizard’s head.

Interesting!

336 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:45:49am

re: #334 philosophus invidius

I’m sure that means something to somebody somewhere

But I ain’t going to look!

337 baier  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:49:55am

re: #311 Charles

/Charles, it isn’t like you miss out posting a conspiracy theory supported by no factual evidence. You’ve clearly gone bananas.

338 Kragar  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:50:35am

France softens tone on Roman Polanski case

after several politicians voiced unease over the case, which dates back to 1977, France took a more moderate line and said Polanski was “neither above nor below the law.”

“A judicial procedure is under way concerning a serious case, the rape of a minor, and the U.S. and Swiss justice systems are doing their work,” French government spokesman Luc Chatel told reporters after a cabinet meeting.

“On the other hand, there’s emotion, and we can understand the emotion stirred up by this belated arrest, more than thirty years after the events, and the method of the arrest,” he said.

We wouldn’t have had to wait 30 years if you had handed him over then.

339 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:51:52am

Another sock puppet just registered, to try to post a comment defending Lew Rockwell.

340 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:53:31am

re: #339 Charles

Another sock puppet just registered, to try to post a comment defending Lew Rockwell.

The Stupid (tm) truly is coming out of the walls. Heh.

341 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:54:28am

Diana West, full-on shilling for the fascist Vlaams Belang:

[Link: europenews.dk…]

342 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:54:38am

re: #339 Charles

Another sock puppet just registered, to try to post a comment defending Lew Rockwell.

Stinky was so fast, by the time I saw it on the Spy, it was too late for a downding.

343 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #340 thedopefishlives

The Stupid (tm) truly is coming out of the walls. Heh.

Nah, I’m still sitting here in my chair, a bit a ways from the wall.

/it’s been that kind of day.

344 joe90  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:56:24am

In 1992 Charles J. Dunlap, Jr wrote an essay titled Origins of the American Military Coup of. 2012. The essay is no longer available at [Link: www.carlisle.army.mil…] but I did find a pdf copy that some may like to read.

[Link: www.dtic.mil…]

345 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:58:22am

Since we are over 300 posts.

Undocumented patients wary of offers to return to home countries

The story itself is pretty sad, but I found something interesting buried in it. A group called the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

The SPL has an interesting write up on this organization, its founder and those who work/write for it.

BTW, the death panel crap started a long time ago.

This excerpt is from the Race war and Duty to Die section.

A current FAIR advisory board member, three-time Democratic governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, sounded a similar theme in 1984, while still governor, saying “terminally ill people have a duty to die and get out of the way.”

All in all, in very disgusting group.

346 Right mind left  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 10:59:38am

re: #316 Lee Coller

Your in a hole, suggest you stop digging.

Okeedokee. I honestly was asking and your comment about spelling seems additionally incredibly mean.

AND..I had no idea Charles. I guess I need to read more, sorry. There was just some stuff out recently that talked about a reference in that biography that suggested there was some substance to it (not WorldNet, I know about that site being wacky).

As far as Palin, I wish there were more apparently legitimate people who want to rid the country of the rampant corruption that is one of her themes. Period. No other agenda. I would love to hear about someone who can promote that successfully!!!

Excuse me for asking. I’ll go back to reading (kids and laundry) now.

347 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #217 SixDegrees

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

They site the source.

Doing a google on: “Jar Jar” +site:landoverbaptist.org
results the same.

[Link: www.google.com…]

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:02:12am

re: #339 Charles

Another sock puppet just registered, to try to post a comment defending Lew Rockwell.

I fail to grasp the nature of this compulsion to sock-puppetry. What’s the pay value for them? (Realizing that different people will have different motives, not talking about the ones who sneak in to take a slam at you.)

349 tradewind  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:02:50am

Good grief… it’s Newsmax. Surely no one is expecting rational unbiased reporting there? It’s the right wing equivalent of Crooksandliars or Whatreallyhappened (where, btw, you can find out that the state of MT is being taken over by …wait for it… a private American police force! They reported it, it must be true!)
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350 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:03:17am

Aftermath of Indonesia earthquake is looking quite alarming:

JAKARTA, Indonesia – A powerful earthquake rocked western Indonesia Wednesday, trapping thousands under collapsed buildings — including two hospitals — and triggering landslides. At least 75 people were killed on Sumatra island and the death toll was expected to climb sharply.

I would suggest that this disaster appears to be of a magnitude such that folks might want to think about pulling out their checkbooks, and seeing which of your favorite international-oriented relief agencies are responding.

351 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:03:50am

re: #232 Honorary Yooper

It’s possible it first came from The Onion, and some twit who couldn’t tell satire even if it smacked him in the face probably thought it was real.

I thought it was real when I first read it in the 90’s.

352 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:04:00am

re: #346 Right mind left

I honestly was asking and your comment about spelling seems additionally incredibly mean.

Lees’ comment about spelling was self depricating

(S)he meant to say YOU’RE (you are in a hole),,, not YOUR

353 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #350 Occasional Reader

Aftermath of Indonesia earthquake is looking quite alarming:

I would suggest that this disaster appears to be of a magnitude such that folks might want to think about pulling out their checkbooks, and seeing which of your favorite international-oriented relief agencies are responding.

Don’t forget [Link: www.redcross.org.ph…] . We could use all the help we can get also.

354 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:06:24am

re: #349 tradewind

Good grief… it’s Newsmax. Surely no one is expecting rational unbiased reporting there? It’s the right wing equivalent of Crooksandliars or Whatreallyhappened (where, btw, you can find out that the state of MT is being taken over by …wait for it… a private American police force! They reported it, it must be true!)
///

Really, so it’s only the craziest extreme right wingers at Newsmax, eh?

Guess who else is all over that Montana story?

[Link: michellemalkin.com…]

355 tradewind  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:06:25am

re: #303 lawhawk
Surely they won’t fall for this phony proof-of-life stuff. God bless him, if Shalit is still alive, I just feel like the Israelis would have managed to spring him by now, and I fear that they think he has been killed.

356 gregb  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:06:57am

re: #234 StillAMarine

I have not. But I will look for it. How about Stone Mountain breweries? A hippie, hoppy beverage. Of course Big Rock Breweries in Edmonton is good, along with Highland Breweries of North Carolina.

Stone or Stone Mountain?
Lost Abbey took over the Stone warehouse when they moved.

LA just won two GABF awards last week. I have a dozen or so $100 bottles of beer sitting downstairs. I can’t decide if I should drink them or brag about them.

357 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:07:40am

re: #23 jaunte

Newsmax takes no responsibility for Perry’s views, of course.

Yep, they just bump into him in the hallway from time to time.

358 cminmn  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:08:08am

Nancy Pelosi one step closer to the presidency; just what every general wants. The right wing has completely lost credibility and they continue to dig themselves into a deeper hole. Living in a liberal state I will not be voting for any republican in the near future.

359 tradewind  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:09:26am

re: #354 Charles

CBS news is all over that story ( has reported it) , which is that the company is there to run a private prison. The whack jobs are saying that they are taking over the state. It looks as if MM’s site is asking the people to provide more information, which appears to be what the legislators are asking as well. Not quite as hysterical, although it makes a nice headline for the alarmists.

360 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #358 cminmn

Nancy Pelosi one step closer to the presidency; just what every general wants. The right wing has completely lost credibility and they continue to dig themselves into a deeper hole. Living in a liberal state I will not be voting for any republican in the near future.

Guess it kinda wouldn’t matter anyway, huh!

361 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:15:39am

re: #359 tradewind

Clearly the Obama militia is seizing Montana in order to control our strategic dental floss assets. “Control the dental floss, and you control the people”, as Mao Tse-Tung said.

362 Lee Coller  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #352 sattv4u2

I honestly was asking and your comment about spelling seems additionally incredibly mean.

Lees’ comment about spelling was self depricating

(S)he meant to say YOU’RE (you are in a hole),,, not YOUR

Thanks.

You can save the S’s for Sharmuta.

363 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #347 gregb

They site the source.

Doing a google on: “Jar Jar” +site:landoverbaptist.org
results the same.

[Link: www.google.com…]

Someone upthread said it’s a page from an old anti-Bush site.

Sucks either way. Funny as hell, if it’s from The Onion.

364 Brad K.  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:19:24am

There has always been the possibility that the military, or someone in the military, would try to control the government, that has not changed since 1776. Anyone that thinks otherwise should reconsider.

Is the military closer, now, to feeling a need to intervene? I don’t know, but they have my sympathies for the shabby way the White House is failing to meet the President’s responsibility to uphold and defend the Constitution (and not fund raisers in Chicago).

What I don’t like is that NewsMax.com and John L. Perry had their words taken down, yet the article has been copied and cited innumerable times around the Internet. If the content of this article is seditious or treasonous, if it advocates violence or and unlawful change of government (it doesn’t, in my opinion), then how is the nation served by repeating the contents hither and yon? Is not every single mention of the contents as dangerous and likely to incite illegal acts as the original article?

Or is the point that NewsMax.com and John L. Perry don’t support President B. Hussein Obama - and it is because the words are *theirs* that their copy must be removed from in front of the public?

Remember the age-old definition of freedom of speech - you have to defend the right of everyone opposing you to speak whatever they will, to have freedom of speech.

365 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:21:26am

re: #364 Brad K.

If the content of this article is seditious or treasonous, if it advocates violence or and unlawful change of government (it doesn’t, in my opinion), then how is the nation served by repeating the contents hither and yon?

Not our sharpest hatchling.

366 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #364 Brad K.

No one is threatening anyone’s freedom of speech - particularly not the government, which is the only party bound by the Constitutional mandate, anyway. Others are free to go along with it or not, as they see fit, but most people are sports and side with it. In this case, however, this jackass is perfectly free to say whatever he wants to.

Neither the Constitution nor society, however, provide any guarantees of a podium. If he wants to spray spittle like this, he’s responsible for finding his own soapbox.

367 drcordell  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:23:16am

re: #364 Brad K.

I don’t know, but they have my sympathies for the shabby way the White House is failing to meet the President’s responsibility to uphold and defend the Constitution (and not fund raisers in Chicago).

Quality logic here.

368 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:23:31am

re: #364 Brad K.

Or is the point that …

That phrasing usually foretells the sound of the other shoe dropping.

/same here

369 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:28:25am

re: #364 Brad K.

Remember the age-old definition of freedom of speech

With that freedom comes responsibility

You have the freedom to say what you choose too

You do OT have the right to a forum. The owner(s)(moderators) of the site may choose to air it or not

370 martinsmithy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:30:53am

Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem.

Hey John, have you ever heard of an ELECTION?

Or are you afraid that the people don’t agree with you? And if they don’t agree with you, we MUST have a military coup to restore your gang to power?

Pathetic … Dangerously pathetic.

371 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:32:26am

re: #364 Brad K.

I don’t know, but they have my sympathies for the shabby way the White House is failing to meet the President’s responsibility to uphold and defend the Constitution (and not fund raisers in Chicago).


in what ways is our muslim kenyan overlord being unconstitutional exactly

372 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:33:40am

re: #328 Alouette

Thanks, I found it.

THE ANTIQUITY OF THE HOG.—By what nation and in what period the hog was reclaimed, is involved in the deepest obscurity. So far back as we have any records of history, we find notices of this animal, and of its flesh being used as the food of man. By some nations, however, its flesh was denounced as unclean, and therefore prohibited to be used, whilst by others it was esteemed as a great delicacy. By the Mosaic law it was forbidden to be eaten by the Jews, and the Mahometans hold it in utter abhorrence. Dr. Kitto, however, says that there does not appear to be any reason in the law of Moses why the hog should be held in such peculiar abomination. There seems nothing to have prevented the Jews, if they had been so inclined, to rear pigs for sale, or for the use of the land. In the Talmud there are some indications that this was actually done; and it was, probably, for such purposes that the herds of swine mentioned in the New Testament were kept, although it is usual to consider that they were kept by the foreign settlers in the land. Indeed, the story which accounts for the peculiar aversion of the Hebrews to the hog, assumes that it did not originate until about 130 years before Christ, and that, previously, some Jews were in the habit of rearing hogs for the purposes indicated.

Oh, good gravy. Did she never read the Old Testament?!

373 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #204 Guanxi88

My oldest girl loves those, and The Boxcar Children. It’s about all she ever talks about.

!! I have never met anyone else who read them. I think I must have read the whole series when I was in third or fourth grade.

374 tradewind  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:38:34am

re: #76 Charles

It’s Matt Latimer. He’s gotta try to sell some books.
I can’t believe that Laura Bush ,the librarian science M.A. ,would ever go along with that one.

375 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:39:35am
376 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:39:52am

re: #76 Charles

Whoa.

JK Rowling lost out on Presidential Award because George Bush believed Harry Potter encouraged witchcraft.

OMG, I’m going to defend GW Bush…I may have swine flu or something.

Anyway, the article says that it was people in his administration who believed that nonsense, not W himself.

Now, the fact that he made people from the lunatic fundie fringe feel like they were the most important part of the GOP, well, that is something I most definitely hold against the man.

377 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:41:22am

re: #168 Charles

Incoming!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

the fark crowd seems to like you. hmmm.

378 UP Border Collie  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:44:46am

re: #298 CyanSnowHawk

I guess that qualifies me as NOT being “one of the lazy ones”! I feel quite lucky to have been at the right place…at the right time.

I was having a “WTF”-moment yesterday reading the piece at the Newsmax site and then when I came here to sort of “get my mind right” a bit ago, imagine…this thread.

PS—don’t read anything into the use of the word ‘right’ in the above.

379 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:46:53am

re: #325 wrenchwench

I’ve seen little lizards in my yard hide on a thyme flower and snatch a bee that was about to feast there. The bee was bigger than the lizard’s head.

I just got pics (last week) of this HUGE spider that ook up residence in my patio umbrella that feasted on bees that would hide there. I found it when I started seeing bee husks accumulating on the table. It was the size of a gumball.

380 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:48:49am

re: #373 Creeping Eruption

!! I have never met anyone else who read them. I think I must have read the whole series when I was in third or fourth grade.

The Boxcar Children were new to me, but she just fell in love with them right from the start. She’ll read one all day long if you don’t take it from her and tell her to get outside and run around for a bit, or go down to dinner.

381 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #339 Charles

Charles, I just saw a reference to Gore Vidal saying “America risks a military takeover” under Obama.

Source-

[Link: women.timesonline.co.uk…]

382 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:51:24am

re: #361 Occasional Reader

Clearly the Obama militia is seizing Montana in order to control our strategic dental floss assets. “Control the dental floss, and you control the people”, as Mao Tse-Tung Tongue said.

/

383 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:52:37am

[Link: women.timesonline.co.uk…]

Not just NEWSMAX check out Gore Vidal!

384 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:54:45am

re: #380 Guanxi88

The Boxcar Children were new to me, but she just fell in love with them right from the start. She’ll read one all day long if you don’t take it from her and tell her to get outside and run around for a bit, or go down to dinner.

Sounds like me. I would read until the early hours of the morning. That was one area in my parents house where there was no discipline. Actually, that and music. We could read and listen to whatever we wanted.

385 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #383 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: women.timesonline.co.uk…]

Not just NEWSMAX check out Gore Vidal!

He should go back to making shampoo./

386 middy  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:55:42am

re: #361 Occasional Reader

Clearly the Obama militia is seizing Montana in order to control our strategic dental floss assets. “Control the dental floss, and you control the people”, as Mao Tse-Tung said.

Hang on to your zircon encrusted tweezers, people.

387 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:06:32pm

Obviously, that was planted by a liberal secret agent to discredit the right.
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388 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:07:37pm

re: #23 jaunte

Newsmax takes no responsibility for Perry’s views, of course.

LOL! And so true.

389 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:16:57pm
America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized.

And what a naive horseshit fantasy world this guy lives in. What happens when half the military says, “ok, we’re going to remove the POTUS” and the other half says “no, the fuck you’re not”?

What happens to the media outlets who don’t care to play along? Are we shutting down the internet, too?

And then there’s the matter of the public, many of whom will not be content to sit quietly at home watching Dancin’ with the Czars. Hey, we could have our very own Tianenmen Square party.

390 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:24:23pm

re: #384 Creeping Eruption

Sounds like me. I would read until the early hours of the morning. That was one area in my parents house where there was no discipline. Actually, that and music. We could read and listen to whatever we wanted.

Thing with this girl is, I don’t want she should end up like I did - indoors, reading all my life, to the detriment of social and physical health. She can read for a couple hours every evening, and Saturdays are hers to use as she wishes. Kid’s a little nerdling, just like her old man.

391 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #390 Guanxi88

Thing with this girl is, I don’t want she should end up like I did - indoors, reading all my life, to the detriment of social and physical health. She can read for a couple hours every evening, and Saturdays are hers to use as she wishes. Kid’s a little nerdling, just like her old man.

LOL. To punish my brother, my parents had to send him out of his room.

Not kidding.

392 victor_yugo  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:50:01pm

I made the point almost exactly twelve hours ago, and I’ll make it again here:

Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.”

The oath of the enlisted does not expire with the commission.

Fail on point 1, fail entirely.

393 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:51:04pm

re: #217 SixDegrees

OK, I’ve read that twice now, and I’m still not sure if it’s real or something lifted from The Onion.

Your Spidey sense serves you well…the Landover Baptist site is like The Onion, only they make fun of kooky evangelicals.

394 akarra  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:45:10pm

Just skimming the comments to know if the writer has been fired or disciplined or publicly shamed by others on the Right yet.

395 lrsshadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:17:44pm

re: #3 BigPapa

CAN WE REALLY CALL THIS GUY A RIGHT WINGER, he served on LBJ’s staff, Carter’s staff, I can tell you one thing that I knew only two paragraphs into this; this a**hat never served a day in the military.

I served for almost nine years and this guy knows nothing about the military but what he read in some book. The military would make every effort to protect the presidency and the current president being affirmed by the congress is the president. Therefore the military is obligated to defend the constitution and the presidency and the president himself.

And I must contend that this a**clown served in two disastrous presidential administrations so he really is the kettle calling the pot black.

I am going to write to him and ask him in the most polite manner to never talk about anything people in the military, will, should, or may due ever again. Leave that up to those who actually had the balls to serve or are serving.

396 lrsshadow  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:35:00pm

my letter in response

John L. Perry,

I read your most recent article about the military taking action to remove the President of the United States.

I humbly submit to you, as a combat veteran who has served for almost nine years, you are to never talk about what the military should, could, or would do. Please have the respect to leave that up to those who actually had the courage and intestinal fortitude to serve in the US Armed Forces.

Your assumption is an insult to me as a veteran. You are correct that we took an oath to defend the constitution. As such the congress confirmed the Presidency and thereby we are obligated to defend him as we would the constitution.

Furthermore by writing this you have in my opinion slandered those who are serving and did serve by directly inferring that this was something those in the military were considering, you wrote “There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.””

If you have any integrity you will immediately write an apology to veterans and those currently serving in the military. You will send copies of this letter the VFW, VA, American Legion, Warrior Legacy Foundation, and any one else you deem appropriate. Then you will make a painfully large donation to VFW or the American Legion.

Sincerely,

397 Salamantis  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 2:36:33pm

re: #170 SixDegrees

Well, from their pulpits, anyway. One measure of the success of their message is the number of Harry Potter books sold, which shattered many records worldwide and in many countries, including the US.

By that metric, frothing over the books seems to have been an epic fail.

The end-timers are just pissed that the Harry Potter books have outsold LaHaye’s Left Behind series.

398 Basho  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 3:27:03pm

An intellectual narrative is necessary for a revolution. Only way to get a large number of influential people behind it. This coup won’t happen as long as these morons are advocating it.

399 cminmn  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:19:33pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

I am in the process of moving to South Dakota! They talked in the Red Star and Tribune today how they may have to increase property taxes another 3% to cover for another shortfall in Minneapolis. More people need to move with their feet.

400 cminmn  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

Also, if the republicans had a stronger stance on issues Norm Coleman would not have lost to Al Franken by a few hundred votes. I guess our votes do matter.

401 gantww  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 5:35:37pm

Personally, I would hope that such questions are on the mind of military officers at all times. Cause the day they aren’t, no matter who is in office, is the day that this country is over, even if Jesus himself is reading off of the White House teleprompter.

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:15:54pm

re: #398 Basho

An intellectual narrative is necessary for a revolution. Only way to get a large number of influential people behind it. This coup won’t happen as long as these morons are advocating it.

Quite Concur.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:40:49pm

re: #334 philosophus invidius

The Bush-haters threated to move to Canada. I guess these guys advocate a military coup since they impossible for them to move to where’d they like to live … 1861.

All my leftier friends claimed they were going to Canada. For as long as I could remember. Or Holland, Holland’s big with that crew. Anyway, finally, one of them went. Not for political reasons. He met a woman who lived in Toronto on the Net and left my best friend for her.

His loss. He hated Massachusetts winters and complained endlessly about them. Freeze in Canada, dude.

(Actually, this was a definite blessing for my friend, and since she bears her ex no ill will, why should I? I still think it’s funny.)

404 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 6:47:28pm

re: #401 gantww

Personally, I would hope that such questions are on the mind of military officers at all times. Cause the day they aren’t, no matter who is in office, is the day that this country is over, even if Jesus himself is reading off of the White House teleprompter.

You hope that military officers are always thinking about whether it’s time to take over the United States in a military coup? Cause I have to tell you, that is NOT what I hope military officers think about. Nor what I BELIEVE they think about.

405 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 7:10:38pm

re: #401 gantww

Personally, I would hope that such questions are on the mind of military officers at all times. Cause the day they aren’t, no matter who is in office, is the day that this country is over, even if Jesus himself is reading off of the White House teleprompter.

This is a pile of utter crap.

Military officers swear an oath to be loyal to the United States, and to the Commander in Chief.

We are NOT EVEN CLOSE to a situation in which this oath could possibly be breached, and your suggestion that we are is just flat out disgusting.

Get off my website.

406 van helsing  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:07:31pm

US Army Oath

I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

407 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #401 gantww

Personally, I would hope that such questions are on the mind of military officers at all times. Cause the day they aren’t, no matter who is in office, is the day that this country is over, even if Jesus himself is reading off of the White House teleprompter.

Well, I hate to disappoint you, but my husband’s been a military officer for a long time (much to my chagrin as I don’t enjoy moving all the time, among other things) and I can assure you that he spends zero time mulling taking over the country with his colleagues. I still remember when he called me from a TDY way back when. He was kinda freaked out because a couple of the guys he was with “over there” had a nutty video that purported to “prove” that Bill and Hillary Clinton had murdered lots of people in Arkansas. The guys seemed to actually believe that crap. The Glenn Beck crowd is just the same old, same old IMHO.

408 van helsing  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 8:09:48pm

The Enlistment Oath:

In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air)

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


US Army Enlistment Oath

409 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Sep 30, 2009 9:35:47pm

OK Everyone -

Bottom line is this - the US Military Oath is to the Nation and the Constitution.
So far as I know, this is still the case.
As much as I disagree with the current CinC - and I Do - on politics and policy, Pres. Obama is still our Constitutional President. He has NOT sought or required the “Fuhrer Oath” of fealty to the current Executive as well as the Nation. In fact, under the Harry Truman example, he would be well within his rights to fire Gen. McCrystal.
That said, I go to bed tonight amused - Oh Hamas Gaza Muslims - you have - once more - devalued your females - 20 of them released for a mere video of my cousin Gilad. Oh Brave Jihadis - YOU SUCK!

-S-

410 ArdentCapitalist  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:01:42am

re: #4 Bubblehead II

Never happen. The U.S. Military are just too damn professional to even consider such a thing and even if some nut ball tried to promote it, he/she would find their dumb ass in the stockade/brig so fast their heads would still be spinning when the cell door clanged shut.

Thank you for that, Bubblehead. As a proud member of Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children, I can second your comment. There is no secret that the military is largely conservative, and a good deal of us would rather have a different commander-in-chief, but it is our duty to execute the will of a freely elected governance… and not to have a governance execute the will of a military power. The simple fact of the matter is that our nation’s military is an extremely cohesive organization of people from every thread of society’s fabric. Such a group would simply not turn on its own nation that it came from.

My personal opinion? I think Obama will largely go down in history as a president, like Clinton, who was a bit too distant and poorly-understanding of the firmly rooted traditions, customs, heritage, and culture of the military who serves at his command. Such a thing does have a negative impact on morale.

411 n8ball1  Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:07:53am

Funny thing is, this guy is a left wingnut this time, not a right wingnut, I wonder what his angle is? Don’t believe me? He was in the Johnson and Carter administrations.


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