Another Birther Suit Bites the Dust

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Birther queen bee Orly Taitz has been pursuing a lawsuit in California’s Central District, demanding proof of President Obama’s citizenship. Today the judge dismissed the suit — and had pretty scathing words for Taitz: Orly Taitz Smacked Down: Birther Lawsuit Dismissed.

Here’s the document, which Scribd allows me to embed directly in this post. Note that Judge David O. Carter says he received complaints from witnesses that Taitz was suborning perjury.

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396 comments
1 davinvalkri  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:56:51am

...this isn't gonna stop them, now they'll just claim "CONSPIRACY! What are you hiding? Who are you with? The Secret Muslims? MJ12?!"

Do you think they know they're acting like Truthers?

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:57:00am

A theme song for Nirther Spice

Youtube Video
3 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:58:02am

Finally, this nonsense will be put to bed.

/yeah right.

I may not be a fan of our current president, but this stuff is just getting old and ridiculous.

4 Neutral President  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #2 Sharmuta

ORLY?

5 Baier  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:00:32pm

/She's just realizing how deep the rabbit hole is.

6 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #4 ArchangelMichael

ORLY?

If Orly was an lolcat.

7 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:02:19pm

Nelson gives his two cents about Orly Taitz,

Youtube Video
8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:02:31pm

re: #5 Baier

/She's just realizing how deep the rabbit hole is.

She should have taken the blue pill. Why didn't she take the blue pill?!

///

9 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Photo By Sharmie!
Sharmuta maybe?

10 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:03:23pm
T]he Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court. While the Court seeks to ensure that all interested parties have had the opportunity to be heard, the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs’ counsel in her efforts to influence this Court.

Is it wishful thinking to hope that Carter would pursue sanctions against this lying idiot?

11 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:04:14pm

Re the legal brief, MEGO, unfortunately. But that is indeed a nice toothsome smackdown by the judge.

12 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:04:35pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Disbarment would be appropriate.

13 Yashmak  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:04:52pm

How many states has suit been dismissed in? I'm just wondering how many more time we're going to see this same sort of dismissal.

Hopefully they'll give up pretty soon.

14 400lb gorilla  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:05:23pm

I am off to Hawaii today and am getting my picture taken at both of the hospitals that Obama was born in. Just because the man lies about practically every aspect of his life doesn't mean he isn't a US Citizen

15 wiffersnapper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:05:46pm

pwned

16 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #12 rightwingconspirator

Disbarment would be appropriate.

Can she still be a dentist/realestate agent if they disbar her?
//

17 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:06:28pm

She's not getting near My mouth.

18 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #14 400lb gorilla

I am off to Hawaii today and am getting my picture taken at both of the hospitals that Obama was born in. Just because the man lies about practically every aspect of his life doesn't mean he isn't a US Citizen

Um...

[Link: web.archive.org...]

/

19 Yashmak  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #17 rightwingconspirator

She's not getting near My mouth.

She'd just claim your mouth isn't American anyways.

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:07:39pm

Wow, an embedded legal document. Take that, rumor mongers!

21 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:07:52pm

re: #19 Yashmak

She'd just claim your mouth isn't American anyways.

She might find it "purdy" though!!

22 SteveC  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:08:05pm
Another Birther Suit Bites the Dust

Tequila makes her clothes fall off!

23 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:08:07pm

re: #16 rwdflynavy

Can she still be a dentist/realestate agent if they disbar her?
//

She can't be a dentist if they disburr her.

Image: Carbide-Rotary-Burr-and-Dental-Burr.jpg

24 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:08:31pm

re: #10 MandyManners

Hi Mandy! Good grief! Just two snippets from your post:

The Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves.

...the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs’ counsel in her efforts to influence this Court.

"Cannot condone"! "Cannot condone"? Your honor, forget about not condoning it. Prosecute her, and toss her ass in jail!

25 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:08:59pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

She can't be a dentist if they disburr her.

[Link: www.made-in-china.com...]

Ouch, but updinged none the less!!

26 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:09:13pm

The judge was extremely lenient on Taitz. In fact, the suborning perjury claim should be referred to the state's Bar Court for disciplinary proceedings up to and including disbarment. Criminal charges could also be filed as she violated her legal and ethical obligations to the Court. Sanctions wouldn't have been out of line either, and Taitz has been hit with them elsewhere.

27 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:09:50pm

For my first shameless bit of technological praise for CJ, I must say that Scribd is very impressive; this scrolling format is much easier to deal with than reading/downloading a PDF or excerpting boxes of text. Nicely done.

Oh, and Orly Taitz got exactly what she deserved!

28 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:10:14pm

Upon very quick scan, the ruling appears pretty devoid of snark. Disappointing.

I hope she goes back for more from Judge Land, he's my favorite.

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:10:28pm

re: #27 Surabaya Stew

For my first shameless bit of technological praise for CJ, I must say that Scribd is very impressive; this scrolling format is much easier to deal with than reading/downloading a PDF or excerpting boxes of text. Nicely done.

Oh, and Orly Taitz got exactly what she deserved!

No, what she deserves is to be disbarred and jailed.

30 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:10:36pm

re: #17 rightwingconspirator

She's not getting near My mouth.

in bed?

31 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:00pm

re: #27 Surabaya Stew

For my first shameless bit of technological praise for CJ, I must say that Scribd is very impressive; this scrolling format is much easier to deal with than reading/downloading a PDF or excerpting boxes of text. Nicely done.

Oh, and Orly Taitz got exactly what she deserved!

I'd say she got less than she deserved. She is a moron and has wasted too many tax-payer dollars with this silliness.

32 Neutral President  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:09pm

ORLY? YA RLY?s website is a hoot.

In giant print like it's something to be proud of: "World's Leading Obama Eligibility Challenge Web Site".

Seemingly random blog posts by unhinged kooks.

And the topper...

Survivalist organic/heirloom seed advertisements.

33 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #17 rightwingconspirator

She's not getting near My mouth.

Is it safe?

34 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:29pm

re: #12 rightwingconspirator

Disbarment would be appropriate.

I agree.

35 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

If Orly was an lolcat.

Same site: Cuteness Overload

36 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:11:48pm
Therefore, for the reasons stated above, Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss is GRANTED.

Even courts use all caps to get their point across. Who knew?

37 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #33 Guanxi88

Is it safe?

LOL! That scene still makes me squirm!

38 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:12:27pm

From what little that I read from the document that Charles posted, it looks like Taitz and her fellow plaintiffs are trying to, essentially, shutdown the government (preventing the government from carrying out foreign policies, defending the nation, etc). Some serious kookiness there.

I can't wait for this crap to go away, and Obama is probably giddy over the conservatives destroying themselves over this.

BTW, didn't Taitz fake a Kenyan birth certificate, or try to pass off an obviously fake Kenyan birth certificate as the real Obama BC in court documents? If so, how can anyone take this person seriously?

39 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:12:35pm

Hasn't she run out of states to sue in yet??

40 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #24 subsailor68

Hi Mandy! Good grief! Just two snippets from your post:

The Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves.

...the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs’ counsel in her efforts to influence this Court.

"Cannot condone"! "Cannot condone"? Your honor, forget about not condoning it. Prosecute her, and toss her ass in jail!

Maybe he thinks that would only further the conspiracy nuts.

41 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #37 subsailor68

LOL! That scene still makes me squirm!

Could you imagine her working on the registrar of vital records in hawaii?

42 brent  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:13:26pm

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this? Once Obama was elected it became a matter for the legislative branch?

I have a problem with claiming that perjury was suborned - it either was or wasn't. If it was, then prosecute - if not, claiming that as an aside in a legal judgment seems to be on shaky legal grounds.

43 Land Shark  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:13:54pm

re: #3 MrSilverDragon

Finally, this nonsense will be put to bed.

/yeah right.

I may not be a fan of our current president, but this stuff is just getting old and ridiculous.

Same here. I oppose Obama on just about everything, but these birthers are some of the most ridiculous, head up their own asses types I've ever seen. They are unable to produce a single bit of credible evidence, yet here they are filing lawsuits and just wasting time. I think it's time the courts whose time they're wasting with this crap should start slapping these bozos with a bill for all the court costs they incur from pursuing this idiocy. Maybe that will finally put an end to it. The lawsuits, I mean. I don't expect them to actually grow a brain and forget this bullshit.

44 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:14:19pm

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First track:

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45 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #36 bosforus

That's actually fairly common. It makes it easier to see rulings, party names, etc.

As to the criminality engaged by Taitz, here's the California Penal Code on subornation of perjury:


126. Perjury is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for
two, three or four years.

127. Every person who willfully procures another person to commit
perjury is guilty of subornation of perjury, and is punishable in the
same manner as he would be if personally guilty of the prejury so
procured.

So, I stand by the fact that the judge let her and her cronies off with an extremely lenient wrist slap - and await corrective action.

46 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:14:38pm

re: #32 ArchangelMichael

Survivalist organic/heirloom seed advertisements.

They run those ads on the Beck show here. They know their constituency pretty well.

47 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

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48 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:14:55pm

The House Health Care Bill: Read It

The SEIU notes that the bill bans the practice of using domestic violence as a pre-existing condidtion.

UPDATE: In what could be seen as a boost for the bill, the insurance industry says they don't like it. Karen Ignagni, President and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), put out this statement:

49 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:15:29pm

re: #44 iceweasel

Whoa-- OT but must say, the album on the sidebar currently is the Streets: A Grand Don't Come For Free. Buy it, buy it! BRILLIANT album.

First track:

[Video]


And if you call right now, we;ll throw in a free Snugglie AND 2 Sham Wows!

Operators are waiting!

50 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:15:41pm

re: #42 brent

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this?.

The gist of this is that the 'question' of Obama's birth certificate was answered long, long ago.

51 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:15:48pm

re: #45 lawhawk

That's actually fairly common. It makes it easier to see rulings, party names, etc.


I figured as much. I was just being a dork about it.

52 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:16:02pm

re: #33 Guanxi88

No!

53 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:16:31pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Same site: Cuteness Overload

Brought a tear to my eye.

54 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:16:33pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

And if you call right now, we;ll throw in a free Snugglie AND 2 Sham Wows!

Operators are waiting!

Crap. I got it years ago and didn't get any of that. :(

55 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #40 MandyManners

Maybe he thinks that would only further the conspiracy nuts.

Hmm...perhaps you're right. I'd certainly hope that's not the case, though. A judge afraid to apply the law because he or she doesn't want to inflame any particular group would IMHO be contributing to the evisceration of the rule of law.

56 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

re: #31 rwdflynavy

Ok, so perhaps she deserves more than public humiliation on the ground that she won't she won't stop this nonsense without some actual punishment. Being disbarred from any professional organization is a good start, but are there grounds for imprisonment just yet? Not that I object to that, just wondering what charges might be brought...

57 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:26pm

re: #42 brent

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this? Once Obama was elected it became a matter for the legislative branch?

I have a problem with claiming that perjury was suborned - it either was or wasn't. If it was, then prosecute - if not, claiming that as an aside in a legal judgment seems to be on shaky legal grounds.

Are you an attorney?

58 Nanook37  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:27pm

re: #12 rightwingconspirator

Disbarment would be appropriate.

I would go with Principal Skinner in one of the early seasons of the Simpsons:

Principal Skinner: Mr. and Mrs. Simpson, we have transcended incorrigible. I don't think suspension or expulsion is going to do it. I think it behooves us all to consider... deportation.
Marge Simpson: Deportation? You mean kick Bart out of the country?
Homer Simpson: Hear him out, Marge.

59 spoosmith  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:37pm

Hopefully, the sanctions the courts impose on this waste of time will include massive fines and jail time. There are other cases that wait to be heard in front of the courts- you know - real ones.

60 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:39pm

re: #54 iceweasel

Crap. I got it years ago and didn't get any of that. :(

See ,, ya gotta wait till it's in the local Big Lots!!

61 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:44pm

That is an extremely well written and reasoned court opinion, far in excess of what their arguments warranted. I think it was a very intelligent approach by the judge to examine each of their hare-brained assertions in detail and obliterate each one -- they certainly got their day in court. While the Taitz-beating in Section F is fun, my favorite is actually the line towards the end of the great "duty to defend" section on page 8, where the court meaningfully notes the existence of a word for the refusal to follow the orders of the President of the United States.

My guess is that it isn't "patriots".

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:52pm

The Tea Parties are working!
U.S. GDP rises 3.5% as stimulus kicks in
Thank god patriots stood up against fascist Marxism!

63 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #56 Surabaya Stew

Subornation of perjury is a criminal offense, punishable in the same fashion as perjury is under California law. It's a felony, and it undermines the faith in the justice system.

It would also be grounds for disbarment.

64 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #56 Surabaya Stew

re: #31 rwdflynavy
Being disbarred from any professional organization is a good start, but are there grounds for imprisonment just yet? Not that I object to that, just wondering what charges might be brought...

Suborning perjury. See page 29 of the ruling.

65 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #57 MandyManners

Are you an attorney?

No ,, but he DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night !

66 brent  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:18:24pm

The judge said it was no longer the jurisdiction of the courts - any legal folk read something different in that decision?

67 KernelPanic  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:18:29pm

Before this birther nonsense gets shut done for good I really hope we get an answer to the "Obama has spent millions defending this legal claim" meme -- in every single birther sight and thread you'll always find someone stating definitively that something must be real because "... he has spent X million dollars in court trying to block our super sane and sensible request that he merely show his long firm birth certificate ..."

At the beginning of the year, "X" was 1 million dollars, now you hear even bigger amounts.

Every time I see that claim I ask for a link or proof and it never comes back, all links seem to go back to a circular echo chamber of birther logs and websites.

Just once, before this issue gets closed for good I want someone to attempt to back up that claim. I know it does not matter in the long term but for some reason I'm perversely interested in tracking down who initiated that claim and what leaps of {non}logic were used to back it up.

68 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #58 Nanook37

I would go with Principal Skinner in one of the early seasons of the Simpsons:

Principal Skinner: Mr. and Mrs. Simpson, we have transcended incorrigible. I don't think suspension or expulsion is going to do it. I think it behooves us all to consider... deportation.
Marge Simpson: Deportation? You mean kick Bart out of the country?
Homer Simpson: Hear him out, Marge.

I love that episode. Bart is musing on how great a frog's life must be when Marj comes in and asks him if he wants to live in France.

69 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:20:03pm

Let the hyperventilating begin!

That's a pretty neat little doc viewing app, by the way. Even lets you cut and paste.

Like this:

Additionally, the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.

That last sentence is a nice legal way of saying that Oily Tights may soon find herself the subject of major judicial scrutiny.

Turn about, and all that.

70 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #55 subsailor68

Hmm...perhaps you're right. I'd certainly hope that's not the case, though. A judge afraid to apply the law because he or she doesn't want to inflame any particular group would IMHO be contributing to the evisceration of the rule of law.

Maybe there's an on-going investigation.

71 Nanook37  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:20:41pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

The House Health Care Bill: Read It

If you read it you will be ahead of almost all of our legislators...

72 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:21:06pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Funny thing about that 3.5% increase in 3Q; it largely coincides with cash for clunkers and the housing tax credit. Those expired (or will soon), meaning that the economic situation will revert to its prior shape, which was bad enough.

Moreover, it's curious looking at some of the charts showing the current recession and going back to the recession of 2000-2002.

One good quarter isn't going to cut it; it takes a sustained improvement, and I think the situation is far from over on the downside - commercial real estate is still in trouble; the automakers are still having all manner of woe; and a lagging indicator of unemployment has yet to peak.

This isn't over by a long shot.

73 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:21:40pm

re: #70 MandyManners

Maybe there's an on-going investigation.

Have we seen her birth certificate yet?
//

74 Eowyn2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:21:48pm

re: #1 davinvalkri

...this isn't gonna stop them, now they'll just claim "CONSPIRACY! What are you hiding? Who are you with? The Secret Muslims? MJ12?!"

Do you think they know they're acting like Truthers?


1/2 of them are Truthers!

75 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:22:13pm

re: #42 brent

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this? Once Obama was elected it became a matter for the legislative branch?

I have a problem with claiming that perjury was suborned - it either was or wasn't. If it was, then prosecute - if not, claiming that as an aside in a legal judgment seems to be on shaky legal grounds.

There's nothing in this ruling to prohibit any future candidate from raising this issue in the courts before an election. Once elected, the legislative branch has the action.

And the judge can't prosecute her for suborning perjury. He's possibly inviting the US attorney's office to look into it by noting it as an aside in his ruling.

76 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:22:18pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Subornation of perjury is a criminal offense, punishable in the same fashion as perjury is under California law. It's a felony, and it undermines the faith in the justice system.

It would also be grounds for disbarment.

re: #64 Soundboard Fez

Suborning perjury. See page 29 of the ruling.

Good deal; thanks for pointing this out! Now which jurisdictions/courts get to have a go at her?

77 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:22:19pm

re: #66 brent

The judge said it was no longer the jurisdiction of the courts - any legal folk read something different in that decision?

Ever heard of the separation of powers?

78 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #72 lawhawk

Agreed, we aren't out of the woods yet but they're predicting modest economic growth for the next two quarters. The end is in sight.

79 brent  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:22:47pm

#69

That's what I was trying to gleen - the way perjury was brought up is a way to put her on notice that she was probably facing trouble at some later date?

My law background is college business and very little of that - I'm just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

80 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:23:12pm

re: #73 rwdflynavy

Have we seen her birth certificate yet?
//

I'd like to see her MMPI.

81 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

The Tea Parties are working!
U.S. GDP rises 3.5% as stimulus kicks in
Thank god patriots stood up against fascist Marxism!

Again, how can the "Stimulus" be "working" when less than 7% isn't even in the pipeline yet
How can "stimulus" be the reason for the rise in GDP for the 3rd Q (July, Aug, Sept) when the projects the 7% of the monies that ARE in the pipeline are mostly non-durable items (except the one time CFC) nor actual goods

TRAP ,,, yes ,,,

Stimulus ,,, questionable

82 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

The Tea Parties are working!
U.S. GDP rises 3.5% as stimulus kicks in
Thank god patriots stood up against fascist Marxism!

If it's all government deficit spending, I'm not that enthusiastic.

83 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:24:03pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Agreed, we aren't out of the woods yet but they're predicting modest economic growth for the next two quarters. The end is in sight.

Modest economic growth and no new aggregate jobs until this time next year.

Too bad we sent all the jobs for anyone who's not an MBA or a lawyer overseas.

84 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #76 Surabaya Stew

Good deal; thanks for pointing this out! Now which jurisdictions/courts get to have a go at her?

It would be up to the US Attorney in the Central District of California to prosecute.

85 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:00pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Modest economic growth and no new aggregate jobs until this time next year.

Too bad we sent all the jobs for anyone who's not an MBA or a lawyer overseas.

I'm neither,, and I'm still here

THANK YOU MR PRESIDENT !!!
/

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

I know some people will never acknowledge that the stimulus worked. It's still too soon to be sure but historically it will probably be regarded as a good move.

87 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:27pm

re: #67 KernelPanic

Before this birther nonsense gets shut done for good I really hope we get an answer to the "Obama has spent millions defending this legal claim" meme -- in every single birther sight and thread you'll always find someone stating definitively that something must be real because "... he has spent X million dollars in court trying to block our super sane and sensible request that he merely show his long firm birth certificate ..."

At the beginning of the year, "X" was 1 million dollars, now you hear even bigger amounts.

Every time I see that claim I ask for a link or proof and it never comes back, all links seem to go back to a circular echo chamber of birther logs and websites.

Just once, before this issue gets closed for good I want someone to attempt to back up that claim. I know it does not matter in the long term but for some reason I'm perversely interested in tracking down who initiated that claim and what leaps of {non}logic were used to back it up.

I've wondered about that too, though I haven't looked into the numbers myself. My best guess is that when they say 'obama' has spent X amount of dollars, they really mean, "nirthers bringing these bogus suits has cost the legal system X amount of dollars" and something like "Obama=the legal system, because he's a presidential candidate/POTUS" (as the case was).
I realise it makes no logical sense, but none of their claims do.

88 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:37pm

re: #71 Nanook37

If you read it you will be ahead of almost all of our legislators...

Interesting... I had the first version of this that came out a few weeks ago and it was 2.3 megs, now it 3.3 megs, what new goodies are hidden in there?

89 brent  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:41pm

Yes, I have heard of separation of powers - that doesn't mean that the president is immune to law, as far as I know. I read that as this became an impeachment issue, and not a matter for the courts, as soon as Obama took the oath. Just asking questions, not sure why the hostility.

90 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:25:43pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

re: #62 Killgore Trout


I feel 3.5% better already ///

91 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:26:14pm

re: #90 rightwingconspirator

re: #62 Killgore Trout

I feel 3.5% better already ///

To quote Chevy Chase: "I feel like a hundred bucks."

92 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:26:31pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

Again, how can the "Stimulus" be "working" when less than 7% isn't is even in the pipeline yet [?]

FTFY

93 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:26:31pm

re: #79 brent

#69

That's what I was trying to gleen - the way perjury was brought up is a way to put her on notice that she was probably facing trouble at some later date?

Partly that, and partly to put the folks who can make trouble for her on notice that he was pretty pissed about it.

94 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #89 brent

Yes, I have heard of separation of powers - that doesn't mean that the president is immune to law, as far as I know. I read that as this became an impeachment issue, and not a matter for the courts, as soon as Obama took the oath. Just asking questions, not sure why the hostility.

No hostility intended.

95 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:28:11pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

I know some people will never acknowledge that the stimulus worked. It's still too soon to be sure but historically it will probably be regarded as a good move.

I don't think we will achieve consensus on it. It's been 60 yrs, and
we still don't agree that FDR's Keynsian efforts worked. The truth
will be buried in the partisan hype.

96 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:28:44pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

I know some people will never acknowledge that the stimulus worked. It's still too soon to be sure but historically it will probably be regarded as a good move.

I would be more than happy to acknowledge it "worked" IF I saw that moneis spent (as I stated,,, the one time CFC or the tax rebates on housing) were sustainable on their own after the programs ended

They could be a jump start for both the auto and housing industries, but in that car sales went back to (even declined from) pre CFC numbers I can't give it credit yet coupled with the fact that so little of the Stim monies are even printed yet, leat alone allocated, let alone spent

97 brent  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:29:05pm

Thanks - I love reading this kind of stuff, but I won't pretend to be an expert. I'm mostly asking questions to make sure I get at least some of it (plus I have lawyers in the fam, like to chat them up after the fact). Carry on, all.

98 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #93 Soundboard Fez

State Bar Association

[Link: www.calbar.ca.gov...]

99 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:30:30pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

FTFY

Thanks ,,, multi tasking at work like crazy!

100 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:30:40pm

I waited until 100 to go Off Topic, but:

Daiquiri Shortage Imminent!

Multiyear Arctic Ice Gone

The article spends more time on how this creates new shipping routes than the implications for climate but it is startling confirmation of the change in the arctic ice pack.

101 Soundboard Fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:31:31pm

re: #97 brent

Thanks - I love reading this kind of stuff, but I won't pretend to be an expert. I'm mostly asking questions to make sure I get at least some of it (plus I have lawyers in the fam, like to chat them up after the fact). Carry on, all.

It's all good. I've been fascinated by the birther suits myself.

If you're having any trouble accepting the outcome, ask yourself this:

Would you want to live in a country where a district judge in central California could undo the results of a presidential election, based on Alan Keyes' request?

I wouldn't!

102 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #42 brent

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this? Once Obama was elected it became a matter for the legislative branch?

I have a problem with claiming that perjury was suborned - it either was or wasn't. If it was, then prosecute - if not, claiming that as an aside in a legal judgment seems to be on shaky legal grounds.

Actually, in legal terms the judge is calling for Oily to be investigated. Now it's up to state or federal attorneys.

I hope she stays out of jail, because a jailed Oily would be a martyr for the cause.

Here's hoping she just gets fined back to Israel or Russia and loses her dentist's license. (The law license came out of a Crackerjack box.)

103 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:32:13pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

I know some people will never acknowledge that the stimulus worked. It's still too soon to be sure but historically it will probably be regarded as a good move.

Interesting point. I suppose it may rest on the definition of "worked". Since a very small percentage of the actual funds have made it into the pipeline, if the definition is "the influx of stimulus funds turned the economy around" - you could make the case that the stimulus had little or nothing to do with the turnaround, as the amount of money allocated during the period was too small to make a difference.

However, if the definition is "the announcement of, and the allocation of funding for, the stimulus created optimism in the markets, encouraging investment and production" - you could make the case that the stimulus did, in fact, help turn things around.

It will - as you note - be interesting to see how history views this. (I'm no expert, obviously - but you knew that already, lol!)

104 Neutral President  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Agreed, we aren't out of the woods yet but they're predicting modest economic growth for the next two quarters. The end is in sight.

Because "they" are so great at predicting things. "They" are the same people who told us subprime didn't matter, the housing market would soft-land, and that the strength of the American consumer would save the day. "They" predicted the DJIA would be 15k+ in 2008.

Forgive me if I'm skeptical of what "they" say.

105 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:32:38pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

Thanks ,,, multi tasking at work like crazy!

There is no multitasking. It's a myth.

I can slack off at multiple things at once, though. Right now I'm slacking on at least five tasks!

106 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:33:28pm

re: #105 Cato the Elder

There is no multitasking. It's a myth.

I can slack off at multiple things at once, though. Right now I'm slacking on at least five tasks!

Aren't you afraid you'll grow hair on your palms and go blind??!?!?!

//

107 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:34:01pm

How do you know that hasn't already happened? ;^)

108 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:34:29pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

Aren't you afraid you'll grow hair on your palms and go blind??!?!?!

//

Slacking... S-L not W-H.

109 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:34:49pm

re: #100 DaddyG

I waited until 100 to go Off Topic, but:

Daiquiri Shortage Imminent!

Multiyear Arctic Ice Gone

The article spends more time on how this creates new shipping routes than the implications for climate but it is startling confirmation of the change in the arctic ice pack.

Good article.

I have this image of a Manhattan denier in scuba gear shouting it's all Obama's fault.

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #106 sattv4u2

Aren't you afraid you'll grow hair on your palms and go blind??!?!?!

//

SMACK!

111 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

OUCH ,,, but

Doesn't have the same bite as Mandys!

112 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:36:09pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Good article.

I have this image of a Manhattan denier in scuba gear shouting it's all Obama's fault.

Well, at least we'll finally find the Northwest Passage.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:36:25pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

OUCH ,,, but

Doesn't have the same bite as Mandys!

How about this, then:

WHAM! [crunch]

114 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:36:25pm

re: #103 subsailor68

And just to recap... the whole idea of bailouts was pushed by the GOP back when they liked the idea...

From my limited knowledge, it seems to have been the right call on both counts.

115 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:36:37pm

Fuck. I hate getting to the party late:(

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:36:55pm

re: #112 Cato the Elder

Well, at least we'll finally find the Northwest Passage.

We have a bunch of them :)

This is not a good thing.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:37:11pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

Good article.

I have this image of a Manhattan denier in scuba gear shouting it's all Obama's fault.

Why that image, other than NYC getting flooded?

118 Existential_Donuts  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:37:54pm

re: #67 KernelPanic

If someone off the street decides to sue you for no reason, you have to defend yourself regardless of how silly. Lawyers do not work for free. And it wouldn't matter WHAT he produced, it would never be good enough for the people that want him out.

Maybe the question turned sideways would sounds something like this:

"If Sarah Palin isn't gulity, why does she spend all of that time defending herself?".

119 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:38:31pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

We have a bunch of them :)

This is not a good thing.

No, it isn't.

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:38:36pm

Proof of fascism: Communal harvest!

121 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:38:47pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Why that image, other than NYC getting flooded?


If a hurricane were to hit NYC, how many people do you think would try to take shelter in the subways?

122 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

And just to recap... the whole idea of bailouts was pushed by the GOP back when they liked the idea...

From my limited knowledge, it seems to have been the right call on both counts.

I think it's easier to bear if I assume that we were TOTALLY screwed
at this time last year, and that half-blind desperate action by both
administrations seems to have pulled us out of the fire. (At least for
a while.)

123 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:39:07pm

I have failed abjectly to follow the "birth certificate controversy" at all. as it seemed to be so much smoke being blown out of the posteriors of Taitz et al. But would someone kindly enlighten me: why exactly is it that the President has been subject to these claims? Are Preidential candidates generally required to provide publicly documentation such as birth certificates?

124 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:39:35pm

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

And just to recap... the whole idea of bailouts was pushed by the GOP back when they liked the idea...

From my limited knowledge, it seems to have been the right call on both counts.

TARP, yes
"Stimulus, no,,

imho

125 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:39:54pm

re: #123 imp_62

I'm pretty sure this is a historical first.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:41:25pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Why that image, other than NYC getting flooded?

It could have been any flooded city. I just know that the GOP of the future is going to be talking about how they were always behind trying to stop AGW, how they are a green party and how it was all the Dem's fault etc... etc... when things have gone so far that any kid could look outside and tell you it is real and it is much too late.

127 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:41:41pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Communal harvest!

Those things are HUGE!

128 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:41:58pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Communal harvest!

First Lady Garden Pose Heh. This one is begging for a caption contest.

Those sweet potatoes are huge! I need to pull mine out of the ground and see what I've got. Fried sweet potato chips with cinnamon and brown sugar- mmm!

129 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:42:06pm

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

If a hurricane were to hit NYC, how many people do you think would try to take shelter in the subways?

Everyone who hadn't thought things through. Fortunately, the city would probably close the subways before the storm got there.

130 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:42:32pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

NYC would be hit with another Long Island Express long before the scuba gear is needed from global warming.

131 Existential_Donuts  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:42:37pm

I'm not sure what the rules are about posting from other boards, but the comments about this topic are off the charts in loonyness at freerepublic. Lots of violent imagery.

132 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure this is a historical first.

Oh, boy. President Schwarzenegger is gonna be pissed!

133 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:42:46pm

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

134 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:07pm

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

And just to recap... the whole idea of bailouts was pushed by the GOP back when they liked the idea...

From my limited knowledge, it seems to have been the right call on both counts.

Hi Ludwig! That's true. I guess I view it as a non-partisan panic. I'd think most administrations (of either party) would have had the same sense of "we've got to do something" when everything began to tank. And most administrations would have ended up with folks (generally of the opposing party) charging "post hoc ergo propter hoc" - just because the economy turned around doesn't mean it did so because you guys threw money at it.

Who knows who's right? I'm not smart enough to know. (Shoot, I probably even spelled post hoc ergo propter hoc wrong!)

;-)

135 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:08pm

re: #123 imp_62

I have failed abjectly to follow the "birth certificate controversy" at all. as it seemed to be so much smoke being blown out of the posteriors of Taitz et al. But would someone kindly enlighten me: why exactly is it that the President has been subject to these claims? Are Preidential candidates generally required to provide publicly documentation such as birth certificates?

Publicly, no

But I would bet a years salary that both the DNC and RNC vet their prospective candidates for ANYTHING that would nullify that persons constitutional qualificatuions for the Presidency

If they didn't, and something abnormal did come up it would be the end of that party FOREVER

136 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:23pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

Which?

137 KernelPanic  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #118 Existential_Donuts

If someone off the street decides to sue you for no reason, you have to defend yourself regardless of how silly. Lawyers do not work for free. And it wouldn't matter WHAT he produced, it would never be good enough for the people that want him out.

Maybe the question turned sideways would sounds something like this:

"If Sarah Palin isn't gulity, why does she spend all of that time defending herself?".

The problem is that 99% of the suits were dismissed for lack of standing resulting in little to no legal effort on behalf of the defendants so its' even harder to get close to the "1M in defense" claim.

There is kinda a tie in to your Palin comment. People also claimed that Sara had to spend millions to defend herself from false claims but when you dig into the story you find that the $$ amount being mentioned was usually the annual amount of money the state of Alaska spent to maintain it's permanent legal staff/team.

138 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:50pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

HEy ,, go to the North End,,, Mikes Pastry,.,,, send me a Ricotta Chees Pie

139 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:43:59pm

re: #130 lawhawk

NYC would be hit with another Long Island Express long before the scuba gear is needed from global warming.

That's actually an interesting point. As AGW progresses, we will have more and more severe storms that flood the coasts. The water will recede less and less each time.

140 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:44:13pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck. I hate getting to the party late:(

Do try to keep up.

141 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:44:32pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

Swing by the Four Seasons bar - ask for Hailie. Good server, treat you right.

142 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #134 subsailor68

Always good to see you Sub!

143 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #128 DaddyG

First Lady Garden Pose Heh. This one is begging for a caption contest.

Those sweet potatoes are huge! I need to pull mine out of the ground and see what I've got. Fried sweet potato chips with cinnamon and brown sugar- mmm!

I've got no problem with the White House Garden. Harvest events are as old as civilization itself and are entirely non-problematic in my eyes.

144 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:45:21pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

Toodles is German?

145 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:45:26pm

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

We have a bunch of them :)

This is not a good thing.

I know it's not, but eco-hysteria is not helping.

A guy who wants to build a biomass power-plant near where I live got death threats from an ecofreak the other day, because his technology involves burning shit and not just wind or solar. Never mind if it's cleaner than what we've got. Burning shit is baddie-bad.

The police are investigating.

146 Existential_Donuts  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:45:52pm

You aren't going to get any arguments about corruption from me, but I am not one of those that believe it is only done by one side. The details aren't important. The fact is that she HAD to defend herself. Just like he does.

147 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:46:31pm

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

If a hurricane were to hit NYC, how many people do you think would try to take shelter in the subways?

Probably many, but none of the smart ones. The subways would flood.

148 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:46:32pm

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

Not the point I was making; statistically, the Middle Atlantic through New York is overdue for another Cat 3 storm. Storms of that intensity have hit further South (Carolinas), but haven't had that kind of punch up here (thankfully).

A Cat 3 hitting Long Island or NYC would have devastating results on several levels, not the least of which is that the structures in these parts haven't been hurricane reinforced as they have down in places like Florida, where Andrew's aftermath caused a wholesale revision of building codes.

We're still behind the curve here.

149 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:46:47pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

HEy ,, go to the North End,,, Mikes Pastry,.,,, send me a Ricotta Chees Pie

Will do...may be kinda squashed by the flattening effect of email, though...

150 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:47:14pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Toodles is German?

No, that was me calling my frou-frou dog!

151 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:47:30pm

re: #147 iceweasel

Probably many, but none of the smart ones. The subways would flood.

DF said they would close them and that is the reason I said "try."

152 Yashmak  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:47:50pm

re: #123 imp_62

I have failed abjectly to follow the "birth certificate controversy" at all. as it seemed to be so much smoke being blown out of the posteriors of Taitz et al. But would someone kindly enlighten me: why exactly is it that the President has been subject to these claims? Are Preidential candidates generally required to provide publicly documentation such as birth certificates?

Answers to your questions:
Because their guy lost and he won, and they can't handle it.
I'm not aware of any president being asked to do so in the past.

153 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:47:54pm

re: #136 imp_62

Which?

Wolf Biermann. Notorious Marxist.

154 truth stick  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #71 Nanook37

If you read it you will be ahead of almost all of our legislators...

Fixed it

155 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

DF said they would close them and that is the reason I said "try."

You're right, of course.

156 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:49:57pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Well, Lizards, I'm off to Boston where my translations will be featured in the concert program of a famous German singer-songwriter.

Toodles!

A German singer/songwriter named Toodles?

157 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:50:04pm

re: #145 Cato the Elder

I know it's not, but eco-hysteria is not helping.

A guy who wants to build a biomass power-plant near where I live got death threats from an ecofreak the other day, because his technology involves burning shit and not just wind or solar. Never mind if it's cleaner than what we've got. Burning shit is baddie-bad.

The police are investigating.

Hopefully, the police nail the ecoterrorist. We need better ways to generate power. I'm all for bio-mass. It won't get us all the way to where we need to be, but it will help.

158 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #155 iceweasel

You're right, of course.

Wasn't trying to be snarky if I seemed that way:)

159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:50:35pm

re: #145 Cato the Elder

I know it's not, but eco-hysteria is not helping.

A guy who wants to build a biomass power-plant near where I live got death threats from an ecofreak the other day, because his technology involves burning shit and not just wind or solar. Never mind if it's cleaner than what we've got. Burning shit is baddie-bad.

The police are investigating.

OK look, I am not an eco-freak, neither is the legitimate scientific community.

The hysteria of the fringe is not the issue. The issue is that nothing will get done untill the average person wakes up.

People should be alarmed by this. People should get the idea that the consequences are vastly more severe than future generations (or they if they are under 30) will be able to handle.

We need to start acting serious about this yesterday.

I suppose the argument goes like this, in the long run, the pathetic antics of the moonbats that might be inflamed by greater AGW awareness are vastly less dangerous than the effects of doing nothing.

Honestly, sane people should be scared green that nothing is getting done. It is a mark of living in utter denial and a form of insanity that people are not up in arms demanding that the needed changes get made.

160 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:50:40pm

re: #153 Cato the Elder

Wolf Biermann. Notorious Marxist.

I grew up with his stuff. The Dylan of the German speaking world, without the ethereal wrong-headedness. Sounds like fun; enjoy!

161 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:50:57pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

It looks like quite a haul. I wish my garden was doing that well.

162 Neutral President  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:51:26pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Toodles is German?

I think Toodles is probably closest to tschüß in German.

163 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:53:15pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

It looks like quite a haul. I wish my garden was doing that well.

Ours is getting snowed on. :(

The spinach, turnips, radishes, and carrots will live. The fall peas put out one flower.

On to prep for next spring!

164 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:53:37pm

re: #160 imp_62

I grew up with his stuff. The Dylan of the German speaking world, without the ethereal wrong-headedness. Sounds like fun; enjoy!

He's got quite a biography. Defected to the East and then got kicked out for being mouthy. And that was in the early part of his career.

165 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Ours is getting snowed on. :(

The spinach, turnips, radishes, and carrots will live. The fall peas put out one flower.

On to prep for next spring!

What about arugula?

166 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn't trying to be snarky if I seemed that way:)

Oh no, you didn't at all! Sorry if I did in my reply-- posting while doing other things. :)

167 Cato the Elder  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:54:22pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, sane people should be scared green that nothing is getting done. It is a mark of living in utter denial and a form of insanity that people are not up in arms demanding that the needed changes get made.

It's the up-in-arms part that worries me.

168 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:54:30pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Interesting... I had the first version of this that came out a few weeks ago and it was 2.3 megs, now it 3.3 megs, what new goodies are hidden in there?

Addendum to my comment above : The last version of this bill, two weeks ago had 1507 pages, now it has 1990 pages...

Ok, they want this many pages, then I am going to hold it to each and every one of them, both sides, to read each and every page of this before any votes.

And I would advise you to all approach this the same way. Get a copy, read it and ask your congress critters questions about it. Hold their feet to the fire and ask them if they read it and make sure they ain't bullshitting you.

This is ludicrous.

169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:55:39pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

It's the up-in-arms part that worries me.

Quite Concur, but that's what the FBI is for.

Out to lunch. Back in an hour.

170 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:56:05pm

re: #166 iceweasel
Like what? Work?
Stay focused...stay focused!!
B)

171 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:56:18pm

IN case you missed your favorite Halloween special:

A very Randall Terry Halloween:

Youtube Video
172 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:56:59pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Upding just because it's always a good idea for people to read major legislation and know what's in it, and certainly to be involved in the process and keep on their reps about it too.
Good luck with the snow walter!

I'm out for a while. Later, LGF!

173 simoom  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:58:12pm

re: #67 KernelPanic

Before this birther nonsense gets shut done for good I really hope we get an answer to the "Obama has spent millions defending this legal claim" meme -- in every single birther sight and thread you'll always find someone stating definitively that something must be real because

"... he has spent X million dollars in court trying to block our super sane and sensible request that he merely show his long firm birth certificate ..."

At the beginning of the year, "X" was 1 million dollars, now you hear even bigger amounts.

Every time I see that claim I ask for a link or proof and it never comes back, all links seem to go back to a circular echo chamber of birther logs and websites.

Over the last many months, I've seen in a number of articles, it mentioned that this or that lawyer is working pro bono. I don't know if that's true for all of the lawyers involved, but it definitely is the case for some. Doing a quick Google search here is a Politco article where one such lawayer is mentioned:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

"[Obama] is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep this information from getting out," said Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.
...
Kreep has been battling Obama's California lawyer, Fredric Woocher, to release the president's records from Occidental College on the theory that they might provide information about his citizenship.
...
"This suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the Presidency, is frivolous," he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. "There is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us," he said.
174 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:58:32pm

re: #170 reloadingisnotahobby

Like what? Work?
Stay focused...stay focused!!
B)

Yeah, work. Soros is paying me to go haunt other blogs for a while and infest them with my seekrit agenda. //

kissy-kiss, iDub

175 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:58:43pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Communal harvest!

Here's what I noticed:
I am wearing the exact same purple Converse shoes she has on.

176 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Proof of fascism: Communal harvest!

I read in last month's Men's Health that the WH garden has (as of the date of the publication) produced 400 pounds of vegetables, much of it given to local food banks.

So what we have here is not fascism, per se, but dirty commies feeding the poor.
/

177 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #174 iceweasel

Yeah, work. Soros is paying me to go haunt other blogs for a while and infest them with my seekrit agenda. //

kissy-kiss, iDub

It ain't much of a seekrit!!
//

178 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:00:39pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

I've got no problem with the White House Garden. Harvest events are as old as civilization itself and are entirely non-problematic in my eyes.

I would love to join the first lady - especially in the rose garden - for a harvest or planting day. We wouldn't discuss redistribution of wealth but I could enjoy some tips on how the white house gardeners maintain the roses! We might talk about raising precocious daughters too!

I like these photo ops for the First Lady. It softens her and makes the first family look more approachable. Having said that the pose I linked is begging for a caption.

179 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:01:42pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton
I'm thinking that their interns/staffers read it...
So what! The interns/staffers wrote it!

180 soundboard fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:01:58pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

Here's what I noticed:
I am wearing the exact same purple Converse shoes she has on.

I can't think of any previous first ladies who would ever have worn Chucks, under any circumstances. I've still got some. Now I'm waiting for her to break out the Doc Martens.

181 Neutral President  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #174 iceweasel

Yeah, work. Soros is paying me to go haunt other blogs for a while and infest them with my seekrit agenda. //

kissy-kiss, iDub

You are the Mouth of Soros?

182 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:02:33pm

re: #173 simoom

This is almost Dickensian in its ironic use of names that communicate much about the character's...well, character:

Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.

183 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:03:01pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

It looks like quite a haul. I wish my garden was doing that well.

I wish I had the White House gardening staff to help me with my garden.

184 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:03:31pm

re: #179 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm thinking that their interns/staffers read it...
So what! The interns/staffers wrote it!

I don't fucking care who wrote it. If they are voting on it, they should read it.

185 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:04:10pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Exactly my point...

186 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:04:34pm

re: #177 rwdflynavy

It ain't much of a seekrit!!
//

Damn you CCTV and YouTube! Is there nothing you can't find?

Youtube Video

ok, gone for now. Have fun!

187 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:05:00pm

re: #182 subsailor68

This is almost Dickensian in its ironic use of names that communicate much about the character's...well, character:

Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.

Perhaps he was on the Nixon-era Committee to Re-Elect the President.

188 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:05:43pm

re: #160 imp_62

I grew up with his stuff. The Dylan of the German speaking world, without the ethereal wrong-headedness. Sounds like fun; enjoy!


What about Heino?

189 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #181 ArchangelMichael

You are the Mouth of Soros?

:) I love you for that almost as much as I do your crack about the Internationale last night-- I am so making that my link.

later! {AM}

190 soundboard fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:06:12pm

re: #173 simoom

The DOJ is doing the bulk of the defense.

I believe the "millions paid to defend the birth suits" meme originates from campaign disclosures that show his campaign paying millions to attorneys, with no matter disclosed. These days, that's the norm for any campaign.

191 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #183 DaddyG

I wish I had the White House gardening staff to help me with my garden.

Forget that...I want the kitchen staff of the White House...
Bring me my organic healthy food now!
/Ahhh.It's good to be king

192 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:06:32pm

re: #183 DaddyG

I wish I had the White House gardening staff to help me with my garden.

I'm sure they have access to the finest...fertilizer. Being in DC and all.

193 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:06:58pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

I don't fucking care who wrote it. If they are voting on it, they should read it.

I'm reading it, right now, and I will get to the major items first, and then move on to the minutia. If anything, I will have an idea of how this bill is going to deal with the big issues that has concerned the public.

194 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:08:59pm

re: #188 DaddyG

What about Heino?

Quoting the great German comedian Otto:

"...und nun zum Schluss, ich bin nicht dumm, dreh' Heino noch die Gurgel um!"

There is no Englidh language equivalent for Heino. Thank God.

195 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:09:00pm

re: #180 soundboard fez

I can't think of any previous first ladies who would ever have worn Chucks, under any circumstances. I've still got some. Now I'm waiting for her to break out the Doc Martens.

I wonder if she also has the Grateful Dead version?
I don't get to wear mine much, my daughter keeps "borrowing" them.

196 doubter4444  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:10:13pm

By the way, very cool imbed of the document, I like the way you can scroll down the document without downloading it.

197 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:10:45pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

Raised her well, didya?

198 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:14:02pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Raised her well, didya?

Of course.

199 soundboard fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:14:03pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

I wonder if she also has the Grateful Dead version?
I don't get to wear mine much, my daughter keeps "borrowing" them.

Mine are black, one pair high tops and one pair low. I wear the low tops to work on Fridays. I haven't broken out the high tops (or my Doc Martens) for a while, but those I usually reserve for cold weather and it's still nice in Georgia.

The worst pain I think I have ever felt was running a 10K in a pair of Chuck high-tops back when I was in high school. Bad move.

I came THIS close to buying a pair of yellow this summer, but I figured at 35 I might get a little too much crap for that.

200 shutdown  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:14:31pm

Haircut with the heir to my much-depleted fortune. Imp, out.

201 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:14:43pm

The Lolephant seal, who eated the Nirth Certifikit, is the first image to show up in my LGF RSS feed. I recently figured out that those things on my Yahoo page were RSS feeds. Or, I think they are.

202 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:14:45pm

re: #199 soundboard fez

Mine are black, one pair high tops and one pair low. I wear the low tops to work on Fridays. I haven't broken out the high tops (or my Doc Martens) for a while, but those I usually reserve for cold weather and it's still nice in Georgia.

The worst pain I think I have ever felt was running a 10K in a pair of Chuck high-tops back when I was in high school. Bad move.

I came THIS close to buying a pair of yellow this summer, but I figured at 35 I might get a little too much crap for that.

Fez - I'm 56.
Do what you want. Life is too damned short.

203 soundboard fez  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:17:09pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

Fez - I'm 56.
Do what you want. Life is too damned short.

You're right.

My wife has perhaps chilled me out a little too much. :) When we met, I was in law school and the only collared shirts I owned had other people's names on them. She tried pretty hard to make me "respectable."

204 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:17:10pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

Fez - I'm 56.
Do what you want. Life is too damned short.

You shoulda seen me this morning riding my bike to work wearing goggles. Yeah, shoulda been you, instead of all these folks who know me...At least my eyes were warm and I could see.

205 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #203 soundboard fez

You're right.

My wife has perhaps chilled me out a little too much. :) When we met, I was in law school and the only collared shirts I owned had other people's names on them. She tried pretty hard to make me "respectable."

She probably had good reason!
But I don't think yellow converse will mess you up too much.
Those tie-dyed ones, now ... aw, hell, they're FUN. re: #204 wrenchwench

You shoulda seen me this morning riding my bike to work wearing goggles. Yeah, shoulda been you, instead of all these folks who know me...At least my eyes were warm and I could see.

You sound like my kinda no-nonsense sort of gal.

206 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:23:10pm

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

I'm reading it, right now, and I will get to the major items first, and then move on to the minutia. If anything, I will have an idea of how this bill is going to deal with the big issues that has concerned the public.

Consider cracking a window, Walter. I'm sure most of that bill is saturated with hot air.

208 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:25:55pm

re: #206 bosforus

Consider cracking a window, Walter. I'm sure most of that bill is saturated with hot air.

Heh. That's one way Walter can clear his driveway. He can put the bill in the snow and it'll melt from all the hot air contained within.

209 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:26:23pm

re: #206 bosforus

Consider cracking a window, Walter. I'm sure most of that bill is saturated with hot air.

I will tell you right off the bat, it does have a "modified" public health insurance option, and the way I'm reading it, it's basically opening Medicare for all who want it.

All current providers (Medicare) will automatically be participating under the public health insurance option unless they opt out before Year One. The can opt out with no penalty. They can opt back in during an annual enrollment period.

210 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:28:10pm

O/T
Happy 40th Birthday. You have not slowed down a bit, you are quicker than ever.

[Link: tech.yahoo.com...]

211 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:28:17pm

re: #195 reine.de.tout

I wonder if she also has the Grateful Dead version?
I don't get to wear mine much, my daughter keeps "borrowing" them.

Those are cute!

212 John Neverbend  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:30:03pm

Sic transit glOrialy mundi Taitz

213 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:30:09pm

OT, but I just got done reading this story about a folk singer in Canada who was reportedly killed by coyotes.

Something doesn't seem right about this. I've been around coyotes for decades, and have never known them to show anything like such overt aggression. They've always been downright timid of humans.

This seems like extremely aberrant behavior. Rabies, perhaps? Has anyone else ever heard of a coyote attack, deadly or otherwise?

214 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:31:12pm

Economy growing but recovery could be at risk

Fueled by government stimulus, the economy grew last quarter for the first time in more than a year. The question now is, can the recovery last?

Federal support for spending on cars and homes drove the economy up 3.5 percent from July through September. But the government aid — from tax credits for home buyers to rebates for auto purchases — is only temporary. Consumer spending, which normally drives recoveries, is likely to weaken without it.

If shoppers retrench in the face of rising joblessness and tight credit, the fragile recovery could tip back into recession.

For the Obama administration, the positive report on economic growth is a delicate one: It wants to take credit for ending the recession. On the other hand, it needs to acknowledge that rising joblessness continues to cause pain throughout the country.

215 lawhawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:31:34pm

Today marks the 14th anniversary of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (according to the Hebrew calendar). Has it really been that long? Jeez... Seems like only yesterday. A whole lot has happened since then, and much of it not for the better when it comes to Arab-Israeli relations.


An al Qaeda spinoff takes credit for firing a katuysha into Northern Israel from Lebanon a few days ago.

216 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:32:40pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

Those are cute!

So am I!
/(I can't believe I said that!).

Those shoes have been a ton of fun.

217 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:32:49pm

re: #207 The Sanity Inspector

OT: Did a formerly anonymous Korean blogger foresee the global financial meltdown? Did he help cause it?

Finished page 1/4. Still reading. Very interesting...

218 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:33:51pm

How creepy is this: Octomum dresses like pregnant nun for Halloween. Dresses her eight babies like little devils.

219 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #213 SixDegrees

OT, but I just got done reading this story about a folk singer in Canada who was reportedly killed by coyotes.

Something doesn't seem right about this. I've been around coyotes for decades, and have never known them to show anything like such overt aggression. They've always been downright timid of humans.

This seems like extremely aberrant behavior. Rabies, perhaps? Has anyone else ever heard of a coyote attack, deadly or otherwise?

The story says there were witnesses to the attack.

I would think most animals would not attack something larger than themselves, unless in a pack - in which case, the "pack" mentality would take over.

220 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #218 HelloDare

How creepy is this: Octomum dresses like pregnant nun for Halloween. Dresses her eight babies like little devils.

there's something not right about that woman.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:35:01pm

Orly Taitz's Occupation on Wiki...

Lawyer, Dentist, and Real Estate Agent

"It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping!"

222 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:35:40pm

re: #221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Orly Taitz's Occupation on Wiki...

Lawyer, Dentist, and Real Estate Agent

"It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping!"

There's something not right about that woman, as well.
sheesh.

223 jdog29  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:36:08pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

there's something not right about that woman.

Listing all the things RIGHT about Octomom won't take nearly as much time as listing all the things WRONG. Ugh.

224 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:36:13pm

re: #219 reine.de.tout

The story says there were witnesses to the attack.

I would think most animals would not attack something larger than themselves, unless in a pack - in which case, the "pack" mentality would take over.

It just doesn't fit well with the normal coyote behavior I'm familiar with.

Maybe the examination of the animal shot afterward will turn something up.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:36:28pm

re: #218 HelloDare

How creepy is this: Octomum dresses like pregnant nun for Halloween. Dresses her eight babies like little devils.

You know what else is creepy? Octomom.

226 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:36:53pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

There's something not right about that woman, as well.
sheesh.

Exposed to too much mercury when she was a dentist.

227 fish  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:37:11pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, sane people should be scared green that nothing is getting done. It is a mark of living in utter denial and a form of insanity that people are not up in arms demanding that the needed changes get made.

It comes back to that "Needed Changes". What changes should be made? If we make those changes here, how will we enforce those changes on China and India?

I have yet to see a single actual solution or even partial solution that enables world wide reduction in emisions and still have modern conviences such as electricty, heat, running water and sewage not to mention getting to work every day.

228 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:37:41pm

re: #218 HelloDare

How creepy is this: Octomum dresses like pregnant nun for Halloween. Dresses her eight babies like little devils.

Does she realize Halloween's not until Saturday?

229 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:37:56pm

re: #213 SixDegrees

When I lived in the Hollywood Hills, we had a wounded coyote ( looked like it'd been hit by a car on one side) that was VERY agressive. It took several neighbor's small dogs while on leash, within 10 feet of a human.
The article also says that people have been "nipped" by coyotes in the park, and they are testing a killed animal for diseases.

230 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:38:03pm

re: #213 SixDegrees

OT, but I just got done reading this story about a folk singer in Canada who was reportedly killed by coyotes.

Something doesn't seem right about this. I've been around coyotes for decades, and have never known them to show anything like such overt aggression. They've always been downright timid of humans.

This seems like extremely aberrant behavior. Rabies, perhaps? Has anyone else ever heard of a coyote attack, deadly or otherwise?

I can't imagine anything wanting to eat a Canadian folk singer. /

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:38:33pm

I heart Gilda Radner.

232 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:39:05pm

re: #224 SixDegrees

It just doesn't fit well with the normal coyote behavior I'm familiar with.

Maybe the examination of the animal shot afterward will turn something up.

Yeah, the story goes on to say the attack was unprecedented and really unusual behavior for a coyote. Could very well be rabies or some other disease. Sad.

233 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know what else is creepy? Octomom.

British variant. Copied from MAIL ONLINE.

234 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know what else is creepy? Octomom.

And the German/Austrian version Uctumum

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

My two favorite LGF words (words I never, ever typed in my life before being on LGF)...

Heh.

Sheesh.

Not counting various nics...

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:41:13pm

re: #233 HelloDare

Yeah, but I'm not British.

237 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #229 Floral Giraffe

When I lived in the Hollywood Hills, we had a wounded coyote ( looked like it'd been hit by a car on one side) that was VERY agressive. It took several neighbor's small dogs while on leash, within 10 feet of a human.
The article also says that people have been "nipped" by coyotes in the park, and they are testing a killed animal for diseases.

Wounded animals are very often going to be in shock and/or scared and they will be aggressive, even your own pets may be that way toward you if wounded. Illness can do the same thing.

Wed morning when I went to get my paper, there was a dog on the side of the street that had been hit, I guess, by a car. He was alive, but was having trouble walking - he couldn't lift up his back end, and he was limping on his back legs - like he had a spinal injury or something.

He didn't want anyone to get close - I called animal control, but the dog, I guess, was desperate to get "home", and sort of dragged himself off before the animal control guy got there. I hope the dog got home and taken to the vet - he was so pitiful.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:43:42pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

"Don't know nuthin bout birthin' no coyotes", but don't they kill little stuff, and are only scavangers for the bigger stuff?

Like American Hyenas?

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:45:40pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

My dog, (Rocky, five pounds of thunder) was brutally attacked the other day by a fly pest strip. (about three feet long).

Was wrapped around him three times. I had to remove fur to remove it.

Your story is sadder, but you should have seen my little guy.

240 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:46:19pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

there's something not right about that woman.

And it ain't the botoxy face.

241 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Don't know nuthin bout birthin' no coyotes", but don't they kill little stuff, and are only scavangers for the bigger stuff?

Like American Hyenas?

I guess so. I never see any coyotes around here - we do have a neighborhood fox family. They live in an overgrown area in my neighbor's back yard (her back yard is 4 acres, so it's a large area).

When he's home, the Roi buys turkey legs to feed them. Other neighbors put out food, too. These are well-fed fat foxes, as foxes go. But we are sure to keep a distance.

242 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:46:49pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

That's sad. I hope he got home & got taken good care of.
There are just so many irresponsible pet owners.
I used to commute through a "known dumping ground" for animals.
Animal control was probably there daily.
Really awful how some folks treat their animals.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:47:19pm

re: #233 HelloDare

Oh, I wasn't correcting your spelling.

But, I really don't like the word "mom" in her title, now that I think of it.

244 Guanxi88  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:47:51pm

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

That's sad. I hope he got home & got taken good care of.
There are just so many irresponsible pet owners.
I used to commute through a "known dumping ground" for animals.
Animal control was probably there daily.
Really awful how some folks treat their animals.

Anyone who mistreats an animal is, to my mind, immediately suspect. If they'd do this to an animal, who can say but that they wouldn't do the same to a human being?

245 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:49:07pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dog, (Rocky, five pounds of thunder) was brutally attacked the other day by a fly pest strip. (about three feet long).

Was wrapped around him three times. I had to remove fur to remove it.

Your story is sadder, but you should have seen my little guy.

Forgive me for laughing.

{Rocky}

246 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:49:35pm

2009 Golden Crocoduck Award Winner

Youtube Video
247 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:50:40pm

We have coyotes in the flood plain behind our yard. I've never seen one but we hear them call at night. A little one got close to our yard last spring and howled (it was a pitiful sad little howl- I think he was lost and looking for the pack). The hair on both of my dogs backs stood straight up.

We also have a fox family that we sometimes spot running through the yard.

The advantage of all these critters is that we don't see vermin. I've only seen one mouse and that was in our garden mulch pile.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:52:52pm

re: #128 DaddyG

First Lady Garden Pose Heh. This one is begging for a caption contest.

Those sweet potatoes are huge! I need to pull mine out of the ground and see what I've got. Fried sweet potato chips with cinnamon and brown sugar- mmm!

Note to self--you may need to be more petite than I or the First Lady for this belted cardigan thing to work.

249 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:53:36pm

There has been some blog tweakage. It looks nice.

250 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:53:49pm

OT:

[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]

MANILA - Two explosions, one in Katipunan Avenue in Quezon City and another in Meralco Avenue in Pasig, were reported dawn Friday.

The first explosion occurred at One Burgundy Plaza, a residential condomium along Katipunan Avenue and across Ateneo de Manila University, at around 2 a.m.

Radio dzMM reported that the explosion came from a bag left behind a parked red Honda Civic with plate number WFY 927, owned by Allan Valencia, 22.

Aimer Gaduran, a security guard working at the said building, said he saw the bag behind the car. When he checked it, smoke suddenly came out of the bag. He immediately ran away. Moments later the bag exploded.

Valencia's car was damaged in the incident, and the explosion was strong enough to knock out glass windows from the 3rd floor of the building, dzMM reported. Other vehicles in the area, however, were undamaged.

The explosion was strong enough to be heard at least 2 blocks away from the building, the report said.

Operatives from the Quezon City Police District (QCPD) Bomb Squad are investigating the incident, the report added.

251 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:54:01pm

You have to love this health care proposal HR 3962. This is interesting language.

9 (b) REQUIREMENTS FOR INNOVATIVE PAYMENTS.—
10 The Secretary shall design and implement the payment
11 mechanisms and policies under this section in a manner
12 that—
13 (1) seeks to—
14 (A) improve health outcomes;
15 (B) reduce health disparities (including
16 racial, ethnic, and other disparities);
17 (C) provide efficient and affordable care;
18 (D) address geographic variation in the
19 provision of health services; or
20 (E) prevent or manage chronic illness; and
21 (2) promotes care that is integrated, patient
22 centered, quality, and efficient.

I can see the layers of and layers of bureaucracy that could result from this one section. And where did they come up with a term like "innovative payments?"

Talk among yourselves.

252 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #218 HelloDare

How creepy is this: Octomum dresses like pregnant nun for Halloween. Dresses her eight babies like little devils.

Good article. Creepy 1984 scenario to boot!

253 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:55:35pm

re: #252 bosforus

Good article. Creepy 1984 scenario to boot!

That reply was meant for #207 The Sanity Inspector

254 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:55:36pm

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

That's sad. I hope he got home & got taken good care of.
There are just so many irresponsible pet owners.
I used to commute through a "known dumping ground" for animals.
Animal control was probably there daily.
Really awful how some folks treat their animals.

Right now we have a dog and 6 cats.
All of them "foundlings", except for 2 of the cats.
People dump their pets, particularly cats, thinking cats can take care of themselves. But they can't, if they are accustomed to being fed and taken care of, they may stalk and hunt, but they can't do it well enough to survive.

I feel so sorry for the cats that show up, thin and starving and just wanting a bite to eat. We can get four of the cats inside the house when the weather is cold - they each have their own "spot". I don't know what we're going to do about the other 2 - if we bring any more cats inside, I think we'll have a riot. Thankfully, it doesn't get THAT cold for extended periods here, usually - but I'm still trying to figure out what to do for the winter.
gah.

255 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:56:34pm

re: #250 Oh no...Sand People! Wow. I thought the holy wars were going on in the far South. When I asked about the unrest my son told me that his mission area is so remote and poor no one would care to bomb it.

256 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:56:48pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

Boxes in the garage? Might work for short term...

257 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:56:49pm

re: #227 fish

We do have some of them on the shelf, but far too many environmentalists who are worried about the end of the world with AGW refuse to embrace them. One of the ones we could use (and is used in some countries to a huge extent) is nuclear power.

Here's a story from 1971 in Time that about a nuclear power plant being built in Midland, Michigan. Interestingly, SourceWatch has an article about it (both the coal plant and the nuke plant). Note the players.

They still have the anti-nuke meme, and as far as I am concerned, they're luddites.

258 Quant  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #134 subsailor68

Who knows who's right? I'm not smart enough to know.


I always try to read the whole thread before replying and then get left two topics behind and struggling to catch up, so I'm just going to dive in this time.

I think that your comment in #103:

However, if the definition is "the announcement of, and the allocation of funding for, the stimulus created optimism in the markets, encouraging investment and production" - you could make the case that the stimulus did, in fact, help turn things around.

is one of the smartest comments on the stimulus that I've seen on the web.

259 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:57:53pm

re: #255 DaddyG

Wow. I thought the holy wars were going on in the far South. When I asked about the unrest my son told me that his mission area is so remote and poor no one would care to bomb it.

The one at 'meralco' avenue is a few blocks from my place.

260 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:58:13pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Hi Walter! Skimming the "eligibility requirements" areas now. Does look like Pelosi managed to keep the prohibition of funding for illegals out of this version, as was her goal. Wonder how CBO will be able to score the cost of that - given that nobody seems to know how many are actually here.

261 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dog, (Rocky, five pounds of thunder) was brutally attacked the other day by a fly pest strip. (about three feet long).

Was wrapped around him three times. I had to remove fur to remove it.

Your story is sadder, but you should have seen my little guy.

LOL!
Sorry for laughing.
One of my cats once at a mop string, which eventually began to make an exit. The cat was not happy. Neither was I.

262 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 1:59:32pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout 2 Dogs 4 cats (all adoptees) and two bluegills sharing our fish tank with the goldfish. The bluegills were too small to eat when we caught them and now the kids have bonded so I have to leave them alone no matter how big they get.

263 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #256 Floral Giraffe

Boxes in the garage? Might work for short term...

Yep - our garage has an "attic" that we've built a ramp into (for the cats). I need to check out what's up there. I bought a plush sort of box (made for cats to sleep in), and I've put a blanket in it - I might ought to put a couple of those up in the garage attic.

264 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:00:20pm

re: #258 Quant

Hi Quant! That's very kind of you to say! Thanks.

265 DaddyG  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:02:17pm

re: #259 Oh no...Sand People!

The one at 'meralco' avenue is a few blocks from my place.

Stay safe!!

266 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #260 subsailor68

Hi Walter! Skimming the "eligibility requirements" areas now. Does look like Pelosi managed to keep the prohibition of funding for illegals out of this version, as was her goal. Wonder how CBO will be able to score the cost of that - given that nobody seems to know how many are actually here.

I was going to look up anything in the proposals pertaining to illegal aliens next. I want to see ho the language did or didn't change from HR 3200.

Of course HR 3200 implied that illegal aliens would have no coverage under the proposals, but there was nothing in the bill that set up some sort of policing of that.

It's interesting, that for almost every section that has some sort of policy mentioned, there is a corresponding section explaining how the Secretary will enforce the provisions of a section.

In HR 3200, there was no enforcement procedures explaining how they would prevent illegal aliens from getting care.

Should be interesting.

267 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:03:30pm

re: #264 subsailor68

Hi Quant! That's very kind of you to say! Thanks.

Hi Subsailor! good to see you.. Everytime we talk about the Nuclear Navy you aren't around...Shape up mister!
*wink*

268 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:03:41pm

re: #265 DaddyG

Stay safe!!

Not too worried. I am thinking it was some punk kids on the Pasig one...but the other seems a bit more serious.

Family is fine though.

269 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:04:06pm

Gotta go all.

later.

270 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:04:18pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

Hi Subsailor! good to see you.. Everytime we talk about the Nuclear Navy you aren't around...Shape up mister!
*wink*

Hi Hoops! Oops. I'll try to do better, promise!

;-)

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:05:24pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

A special place in heaven for you, my dear. Thank you.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:07:18pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

Whaddup, Homie?

273 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:08:10pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

Hello Hoopster!

274 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whaddup, Homie?

Hey Bro.. The NBA season has started..I'm in Heaven..
How are you?

275 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:09:01pm

G'night folks. See y'all tomorrow.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:09:21pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

Last year was the first year I ever took a real interest in the NBA.

What plot lines do you recommend?

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:09:47pm

re: #213 SixDegrees

OT, but I just got done reading this story about a folk singer in Canada who was reportedly killed by coyotes.

Something doesn't seem right about this. I've been around coyotes for decades, and have never known them to show anything like such overt aggression. They've always been downright timid of humans.

This seems like extremely aberrant behavior. Rabies, perhaps? Has anyone else ever heard of a coyote attack, deadly or otherwise?

I have never heard of such a thing. Coyotes have been known to attack children, or bite people, but it's rare, and I've never heard of them killing an adult human being.

278 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:10:17pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

I'm not a big fan of basketball, but I am a huge fan of {Hoops}. Glad to hear you're happy, Hon.

279 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:10:21pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

I might have a couple things that would help. Would a large pet carrier help? You put a blanket in it and its a good shell, should help hold the heat in. Offline email?

280 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:10:25pm

re: #273 Floral Giraffe

Hello Hoopster!

Hey you! Hope today finds you well...I've been Googling Singapore and preparing for my trip..
I'm jacked!

281 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:11:28pm

re: #262 DaddyG

The bluegills were too small to eat when we caught them and now the kids have bonded so I have to leave them alone no matter how big they get.

LOL!

283 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #280 HoosierHoops

You should be excited about that trip!
It'll be fun!

Can you get Bball over there?

284 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Don't know nuthin bout birthin' no coyotes", but don't they kill little stuff, and are only scavangers for the bigger stuff?

Like American Hyenas?

They're not very big. They'll attack smaller housepets, but they're afraid of people.

285 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #279 Rightwingconspirator

I might have a couple things that would help. Would a large pet carrier help? You put a blanket in it and its a good shell, should help hold the heat in. Offline email?

{RWC}
You're sweet!
I have a couple of pet carriers.
And as I said, our carport has an enclosed attic, which has a ramp we've built for the cats to have easy access to it. I think I shall put a couple of boxes with blankets in them and the cats should be OK, particularly if I turn the light on in there, it should help keep the place warm enough for 'em during really cold nights.

286 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #282 Thanos

The next two US recessions

They nailed it here:

However, barring a seismic shift in the 2010 congressional elections that dispose of many Democrats and replace them with fiscally conservative Republicans (themselves an endangered group within the Republican Party), I do not see the government taking prudent preventive action.

The GOP seeing the writing on the wall regarding those RINO! fisc-cons couldn't happen soon enough.

287 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:14:58pm

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Last year was the first year I ever took a real interest in the NBA.

What plot lines do you recommend?

Watch out for the Magic...
/I've tried to find some Muslim Terrorists that would be willing to Kidnap Kobe for 6 months.. Nobody wants him..To high maintenance for them.
*wink*

288 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #282 Thanos

Very interesting link, I'll have to check it out!
Thanks!

289 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:16:46pm

re: #288 Floral Giraffe

Very interesting link, I'll have to check it out!
Thanks!

I do have a minor quibble on the second prediction: right now the Yuan is somewhat pegged to the dollar. Yuan goes down, dollar goes down, and vice versa.

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:17:29pm

re: #278 Sharmuta

Okay. Let this load, Shar... watch from 3:14 to 3:18... you don't have to watch the whole thing...

I've wanted you to see this all day!


(hat tip Idub)

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:17:52pm

re: #287 HoosierHoops

Cleveland 0-2. Didn't see that coming.

292 Hengineer  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:18:52pm

Three cheers for common sense?

293 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:20:18pm

re: #283 Floral Giraffe

You should be excited about that trip!
It'll be fun!

Can you get Bball over there?

Ball is huge in Asia...When I was in Europe a few years ago all the guys were kicking a soccer ball during breaks at work.. They kicked the ball my way.. I picked it up and started dribbling it around them..
Take the ball away..Come on you can do it...Get the ball!
We laughed so much and had so much fun..
I'm pretty sure when I went inside they were shaking their heads...Damn Americans!

294 Hengineer  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #293 HoosierHoops

Ball is huge in Asia...When I was in Europe a few years ago all the guys were kicking a soccer ball during breaks at work.. They kicked the ball my way.. I picked it up and started dribbling it around them..
Take the ball away..Come on you can do it...Get the ball!
We laughed so much and had so much fun..
I'm pretty sure when I went inside they were shaking their heads...Damn Americans!

Tsk if it was me, I'd start kicking it along with them. They'd be flabbergasted an American knew their sport.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:21:30pm

I gotta go back to work. Y'all play nice.

AND GIVE HOOPSTER BACK THE BALL, THIS MINUTE!

296 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:21:32pm

re: #289 Thanos

I do have a minor quibble on the second prediction: right now the Yuan is somewhat pegged to the dollar. Yuan goes down, dollar goes down, and vice versa.

I haven't read it thoroughly, but I didn't see any mention of the Commercial Real Estate that's about to hit the refinancing wall.
January, I think was when the big numbers were to start.

297 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:21:49pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

You have to love this health care proposal HR 3962. This is interesting language.

9 (b) REQUIREMENTS FOR INNOVATIVE PAYMENTS.—
10 The Secretary shall design and implement the payment
11 mechanisms and policies under this section in a manner
12 that—
13 (1) seeks to—
14 (A) improve health outcomes;
15 (B) reduce health disparities (including
16 racial, ethnic, and other disparities);
17 (C) provide efficient and affordable care;
18 (D) address geographic variation in the
19 provision of health services; or
20 (E) prevent or manage chronic illness; and
21 (2) promotes care that is integrated, patient
22 centered, quality, and efficient.

I can see the layers of and layers of bureaucracy that could result from this one section. And where did they come up with a term like "innovative payments?"

Talk among yourselves.

So if I can't pay in cash, they'll settle for...what? My first born male child?

298 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks.

299 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:24:51pm

re: #260 subsailor68

Hi Walter! Skimming the "eligibility requirements" areas now. Does look like Pelosi managed to keep the prohibition of funding for illegals out of this version, as was her goal. Wonder how CBO will be able to score the cost of that - given that nobody seems to know how many are actually here.

Try looking at Section 341, a whole section on verifying citizenship starting on page 228.

3 (B) DECLARATION OF CITIZENSHIP OR
4 LAWFUL IMMIGRATION STATUS.—No individual
5 shall be an affordable credit eligible individual
6 unless there has been a declaration made, in a
7 form and manner specified by the Health
8 Choices Commissioner similar to the manner re9
quired under section 1137(d)(1) of the Social
10 Security Act and under penalty of perjury, that
11 the individual—
12 (i) is a citizen or national of the
13 United States; or
14 (ii) is not such a citizen or national
15 but is lawfully present in a State in the
16 United States (other than as a non17
immigrant described in a subparagraph
18 (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U),
19 and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Im20
migration and Nationality Act).

This does look like verification of citizenship language.

300 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

There has been some blog tweakage. It looks nice.

It does look nice. The ads on the right are "contained" and the Rotating Title seems more settled.

301 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:30:50pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

It does. Good catch. Wonder if there are any teeth in the "enforcement" sections. It's fine to say someone must be a (fill in the blank), but won't mean much if there's no requirement to do any checks. Guess I should keep reading too.

302 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:30:56pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

Much more sleek, and giving the ads a background helps anchor them a little better.

303 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:31:32pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

There has been some blog tweakage. It looks nice.

Was there a color tweak also? There appears to be a slight change in saturation, or maybe my old eyes aren't working so great today.

In another topic...

How the prosperity gospel fueled the housing bubble
An interesting diavlog on the role of contemporary American religion and positive thinking in the bubble.

304 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:34:58pm

re: #301 subsailor68

It does. Good catch. Wonder if there are any teeth in the "enforcement" sections. It's fine to say someone must be a (fill in the blank), but won't mean much if there's no requirement to do any checks. Guess I should keep reading too.

Well, if you read on through that section, there is a whole bunch of stuff about coordination with States and Homeland Security. For a matter of fact, you might say that this bill may actually give more teeth to Homeland Security.

This might actually get some push back from ACLU types and privacy issue concerns.

Interesting.

305 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:38:33pm

re: #303 freetoken

How the prosperity gospel fueled the housing bubble
An interesting diavlog on the role of contemporary American religion and positive thinking in the bubble.

Unfortunately, we Mormons here in Utah also have a terrible problem with pyramid schemes. I blame the presumed trust that comes with our homogeneity.

306 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:38:39pm

re: #303 freetoken

Yes- looks like the right sidebar ads have a slight green canvas. Looks nice- helps them pop a little better and keeps them nicely grouped.

307 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:40:10pm

Awww, abstinence only education is struggling for money now that the government funding has been shut off. This is terrible, just terrible...

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

///wishful thinking can trump reality if you just believe hard enough!!!

308 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:42:23pm

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

Well, if you read on through that section, there is a whole bunch of stuff about coordination with States and Homeland Security. For a matter of fact, you might say that this bill may actually give more teeth to Homeland Security.

This might actually get some push back from ACLU types and privacy issue concerns.

Interesting.

Interesting indeed! Now I'm wondering about potential conflicts with HIPAA. Curiouser and curiouser!

309 Four More Tears  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:44:05pm

re: #307 ausador

If that wasn't wasteful government spending I don't know what is.

310 3kids3dogs  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #14 400lb gorilla

Just because the man lies about practically every aspect of his life doesn't mean he isn't a US Citizen

Would you mind elaborating on this? Everybody I've ever known has lied about some aspect of their life but "practically every aspect"? That seems like hyperbole cubed.

311 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:50:47pm

re: #309 JasonA

If that wasn't wasteful government spending I don't know what is.

$1.5 billion to tell teenagers not to screw...yeah, good luck with that, come on, really?

312 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:53:23pm

re: #308 subsailor68

Interesting indeed! Now I'm wondering about potential conflicts with HIPAA. Curiouser and curiouser!

No, there is a whole section in that section that deals with HIPAA, at least imply that HIPAA must be followed as presently enforced.

313 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:56:32pm

There's a new group taking aim at kookservitive punditry:

This Halloween, take action against the lies and hate speech that Glen Beck,
Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, Paul Brown, and Pat Buchanan have been spewing in a
nationwide witch hunt.

Echo Justice, a coalition of national and local organizations launched a
multi-media counter to the right-wing's echo chamber. StopTheWitchHunt.org is
a newly formed multimedia watch dog portal that will use social media and
mobile communications to take a grassroots stand and "call out" the
mischaracterizations and hate speech that has been going on for too long.

I googled "Echo Justice Coalition" but only got this press release, b ut the website is up.

314 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:56:35pm

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

No, there is a whole section in that section that deals with HIPAA, at least imply that HIPAA must be followed as presently enforced.

Walter! Love the pics of the snow!
Hope you and yours are doing ok..
You crazy Diamond

315 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:57:11pm

CBO Says House Health Care Bill Is Deficit Reducer In Near And Long Term

Over the first 10 years, revenues and savings are projected to exceed new spending (aka it reduces the deficit) by $104 billion. Projections into the following decade are, as CBO chief Doug Elmendorf always notes, very dicey. But Elmendorf says that, from 2020-2029, "the added revenues and cost savings are projected to grow slightly more rapidly than the cost of the coverage expansions." In other words, though the government will pay more and more each year in subsidies and expanded entitlements, it will be realizing savings and collecting revenues at a greater rate.

316 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My dog, (Rocky, five pounds of thunder) was brutally attacked the other day by a fly pest strip. (about three feet long).


video?
poor Rocky...but still funny.

The other dog story makes me cry.
I'm one of those people who asks when a new movie comes out with a dog in it "does the dog die?".
Jurassic Bark (Futurama) scarred me for life.

We live out in the country and it just breaks my heart to see a dead cat or dog on the side of the road. People around us just let their animals run (I'm in the South, no leash laws where we live) and the 3 dogs we have are strays that happened to come by.
Our yard is fenced, no roaming allowed because it would just drive me crazy until the come home and I don't know what would happen if one of them got hit.

317 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:00:06pm

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

318 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:00:10pm

re: #314 HoosierHoops

Walter! Love the pics of the snow!
Hope you and yours are doing ok..
You crazy Diamond

Thanks, I want you to bring me home a souvenir cane from Singapore.

319 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:00:55pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

So they got their logic all screwed up, what else is new?

BBL

320 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:02:19pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

Because he played nice with ChiComs?

321 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:03:15pm

re: #320 Sharmuta

Because he played nice with ChiComs?

Probably more so because Rodan has a brain disease

322 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:03:30pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

They're delusional. Someone needs to turn off the peyote drip. Nixon was decidedly right of center, and he was a paranoid bastard too.

323 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

Well, he ended the Vietnam War and started the EPA, after all.

324 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:04:05pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

CBO Says House Health Care Bill Is Deficit Reducer In Near And Long Term


You want to know why? Because it will reduce the population in nursing homes... they're going to kill off grandma!

/

325 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #297 SixDegrees

One of the problems with the current system is that doctors and hospitals are paid by the procedure rather than by out come or by patient. This means that doctors are encouraged to perform unneccesary procedures because they get paid for them whether they are needed or not.

I think there needs to be flat fee per patient with bonuses paid out based on measurable outcomes, like readmission rates to hospital, infection rates, etc.

326 Kragar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:04:38pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

Why pertell, he asked quizically?

327 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:04:41pm

re: #320 Sharmuta

Because he played nice with ChiComs?

Duh, isn't it obvious that he started the selling of America to the Chinese?

/just guessing, but I'll bet my reason makes more sense than theirs.

328 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:05:10pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My Maine Coon kitten (at the time) got caught up in a glue trap. She snuck into a neighbors apartment and went behind the couch. Next thing is screaming howls and a mad scramble.
We can both be glad it was something that did no serious harm!
Pics of the post glue kitten-Of course She has her Own Blog...

[Link: pepper-thegraymenace.blogspot.com...]

329 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:05:25pm

re: #321 spacejesus

He needs another layer of tin foil.

330 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:07:01pm

re: #321 spacejesus

Probably more so because Rodan has a brain disease

Yeah, Rodan suffers from a lot of ailments. He suffers from foot-in-mouth disease, anti-intelligence dumbness & stupidity, doltheria, mad coward disease, and the common stupids.

331 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:07:02pm

re: #324 freetoken

It's going to be pretty tough for the GOP to oppose something that's going to reduce the deficit but they're going to do it anyways.

332 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:07:29pm

re: #325 PT Barnum

One of the problems with the current system is that doctors and hospitals are paid by the procedure rather than by out come or by patient. This means that doctors are encouraged to perform unneccesary procedures because they get paid for them whether they are needed or not.

I think there needs to be flat fee per patient with bonuses paid out based on measurable outcomes, like readmission rates to hospital, infection rates, etc.

Well, that's not happening yet. I'm looking over the new HR 3962 right now, released today (hit tip Killgore), and there is a "modified" public option, basically extending Medicare to the reported 36 million without health insurance.

So, if you like the way Medicare works, you'll love this.

333 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:07:31pm

re: #323 SixDegrees

Well, he ended the Vietnam War and started the EPA, after all.

I know. and Teddy Roosevelt brokered peace between foreign nations and basically invented environmentalism. I guess TR was a just a Maoist too right

334 Kragar  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:08:14pm

re: #330 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, Rodan suffers from a lot of ailments. He suffers from foot-in-mouth disease, anti-intelligence dumbness & stupidity, doltheria, mad coward disease, and the common stupids.

Don't forget the tragic yoga incident with the goat.

335 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:08:16pm

speaking of brain disease, does anybody know of a guy named Bill Jenkins who may have posted here in the past?

336 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #333 spacejesus

I know. and Teddy Roosevelt brokered peace between foreign nations and basically invented environmentalism. I guess TR was a just a Maoist too right

Of course. You just know TR bled commie red.
/

337 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:08:44pm

re: #335 spacejesus

speaking of brain disease, does anybody know of a guy named Bill Jenkins who may have posted here in the past?

The name is familar.

338 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:08:46pm

re: #307 ausador

Awww, abstinence only education is struggling for money now that the government funding has been shut off. This is terrible, just terrible...

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

///wishful thinking can trump reality if you just believe hard enough!!!

Miz Blanche voted to give their funding back in the Bauchus bill.I called gave her (well her staff, neither of my Senators actually listen to me or care what I say) a piece of my mind.
Huge waste of taxpayer money.

339 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:09:04pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Don't you care about grandma being killed off?

/

340 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:09:21pm

Lot's of support for the BNP in the comments of PJ Media these days.

341 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:09:56pm

re: #339 freetoken

Death panel profit!

342 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:10:00pm

re: #336 Honorary Yooper

Of course. You just know TR bled commie red.
/

oh yeah, he was decidedly anti-capitalist, communist thug. did you hear he went on a trip to africa once? I bet that he is from there, that's why. SHOW US YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE TR

343 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #325 PT Barnum

One of the problems with the current system is that doctors and hospitals are paid by the procedure rather than by out come or by patient. This means that doctors are encouraged to perform unneccesary procedures because they get paid for them whether they are needed or not.

I think there needs to be flat fee per patient with bonuses paid out based on measurable outcomes, like readmission rates to hospital, infection rates, etc.

While that's true, without tort reform, physicians and hospitals are still vulnerable to lawsuits that can destroy them. It's not so much that physicians perform procedures because they're paid, but because they want to be as sure as possible that no stone's been left unturned.

If you have a "reform" that prohibits, or withholds payment, various procedures without addressing these vulnerabilities, you've created a dangerous situation.

The most likely result is a shortage of physicians. Who'd voluntarily put themselves into that kind of risk situation?

344 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

Lot's of support for the BNP in the comments of PJ Media these days.

IIRC, PJ Media was started by a bunch of anti-jihadis. Many of them decided to go and support the VB a while back. Not a surprise then that they would support the BNP.

345 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:10:45pm

In other news, the inhabitants of the asteroid belt continue their long range shelling of Earth:

Huge Explosion Was Biggest Space Rock to Strike Earth Since 1994

According to experts at the NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office in Pasadena, Calif. – Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley – the blast is thought to be due to the atmospheric entry of an asteroid more than 30 feet (10 meters) in diameter. Due to atmospheric pressure, the object is thought to have detonated in the atmosphere, yielding an energy release of about 50 kilotons (the equivalent of 110,000,000 pounds of TNT explosives).

346 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:11:09pm

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

I have never heard of such a thing. Coyotes have been known to attack children, or bite people, but it's rare, and I've never heard of them killing an adult human being.

I agree that coyote aggression is not something I'd ever encountered in my life, but within two weeks this summer a red fox attempted to bite me - but only scraping the back of my jeans in the lower leg area, and a coyote DID bite me.

Fortunately for me, I was bitten through the heavy fiber fill of a sleeping bag, and the bite, while really hard, did not break skin.

I do NOT like rabies shots.

What wasn't fortunate for me was that the coyote's bite was strong enough that he came very close to breaking the middle toe on my right foot, and it was weeks before I could walk properly without feeling like I was going to break my toe at any step.

True even if weird. In both events I had almost immediate identification of the perpetrating canids.

347 Quant  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:13:30pm

re: #325 PT Barnum

One of the problems with the current system is that doctors and hospitals are paid by the procedure rather than by out come or by patient. This means that doctors are encouraged to perform unneccesary procedures because they get paid for them whether they are needed or not.

I think there needs to be flat fee per patient with bonuses paid out based on measurable outcomes, like readmission rates to hospital, infection rates, etc.

I think those sort of incentives could be tricky in medicine, especially when you're dealing with diseases like cancer where even the best, most effective and efficient treatments won't necessarily produce a good outcome.

348 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:13:57pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

It's going to be pretty tough for the GOP to oppose something that's going to reduce the deficit but they're going to do it anyways.

That "may" be harder for the GOP to do with this new HR 3962. I'm quickly skimming areas that deal with the where the most pressure came from this past summer, and there has been a lot of changes made to address those concerns.

Procedures to validate citizenship, a "modified" public option (Medicare on steroids) and a murky section that deals with public funding of abortions (really strange language on the abortion issue, got to do more investigation)... so far, it looks like they have tried to firm this up and minimize the blow back.

I'm still doing a quick look into the major issues and see how they have been framed in this new proposal.

349 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:13:59pm

File under things about which your great-grandmother didn't have to worry:

What Happens to Your Facebook Profile When You Die?

350 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:14:38pm

re: #335 spacejesus

speaking of brain disease, does anybody know of a guy named Bill Jenkins who may have posted here in the past?

re: #337 Honorary Yooper

The name is familar.

This might be why.

351 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:15:16pm

re: #349 freetoken

File under things about which your great-grandmother didn't have to worry:

What Happens to Your Facebook Profile When You Die?

First. World. Problems.

352 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

This might be why.

same guy has been sending death threats to people at the lgf facebook page. with people's addresses and everything.

353 Sharmuta  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:15:55pm

here's a google search SpaceJesus and Yooper.

354 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:16:27pm

[NYT]Magazine Preview
The Obamas’ Marriage

...“If my ups and downs, our ups and downs in our marriage can help young couples sort of realize that good marriages take work. . . .” Michelle Obama said a few minutes later in the interview. The image of a flawless relationship is “the last thing that we want to project,” she said. “It’s unfair to the institution of marriage, and it’s unfair for young people who are trying to build something, to project this perfection that doesn’t exist.”...

355 coscolo  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:16:55pm

re: #213 SixDegrees

OT, but I just got done reading this story about a folk singer in Canada who was reportedly killed by coyotes.

Something doesn't seem right about this. I've been around coyotes for decades, and have never known them to show anything like such overt aggression. They've always been downright timid of humans.

This seems like extremely aberrant behavior. Rabies, perhaps? Has anyone else ever heard of a coyote attack, deadly or otherwise?

Wonder if they will check whether dog-coyote hybrids as well as for rabies. This is the first time I've heard of an attack on an apparently healthy adult, but people trying to save their pets from coyotes in suburban parks and trails have been bitten. (Greenwood Village, CO, eradicated a pack of aggressive coyotes that made dog-walking areas their hunting ground this past summer.) If not rabid or coy-dogs, I would suspect some park visitors had been feeding the "cute" coyote pups who therefore lacked necessary respect (fear) of humans. Group of coyotes usually is a family -- this time of year would include parents, pups of the year, plus an older sibling or two who helped catch food for the younger ones.

356 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:17:43pm

re: #346 really grumpy big dog johnson

I agree that coyote aggression is not something I'd ever encountered in my life, but within two weeks this summer a red fox attempted to bite me - but only scraping the back of my jeans in the lower leg area, and a coyote DID bite me.

Fortunately for me, I was bitten through the heavy fiber fill of a sleeping bag, and the bite, while really hard, did not break skin.

I do NOT like rabies shots.

What wasn't fortunate for me was that the coyote's bite was strong enough that he came very close to breaking the middle toe on my right foot, and it was weeks before I could walk properly without feeling like I was going to break my toe at any step.

True even if weird. In both events I had almost immediate identification of the perpetrating canids.

The dog revolution has begun!

357 HelloDare  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:18:52pm

Saw this comment on a story about Pelosi and Healthcare. Real or not, it's funny.


s.houston October 29th, 2009 - 12:38 pm

The $50 Lesson

I recently asked my friends’ little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President of the United States. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there. So I asked her, “If you were President, what would be the first thing you would do?” She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.” Her parents beamed.

“Wow…what a worthy goal,” I told her. “But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my driveway, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.”

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”

I said, “Welcome to the Republican Independent Party.”

Her parents still aren’t speaking to me. Made my day!

358 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #356 SixDegrees

The dog revolution has begun!

I submit!

359 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:21:09pm

re: #358 bosforus

I submit!

I love that pic!

360 subsailor68  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:21:30pm

Well all, it's been great, but must go. Hope everyone has a terrific evening!

361 Hengineer  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:22:06pm

So here we are in Rhodes right now...

you know, the Greek island off the coast of Turkey

362 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:22:43pm

re: #359 HoosierHoops

I love that pic!

The cuteness is totally disarming. I'd be the first to be captured.

363 Hengineer  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:23:58pm

re: #354 wrenchwench

[NYT]Magazine Preview
The Obamas’ Marriage

ok so the President gets mad at the First Lady because she yells at him to take out the trash, so what?

364 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:24:45pm

re: #363 Hengineer

ok so the President gets mad at the First Lady because she yells at him to take out the trash, so what?

Isn't there a trash czar thats supposed to take care of all that?

365 webevintage  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:25:41pm

re: #356 SixDegrees

The dog revolution has begun!

All hail our new canine overlords.
(even though we all know that cats will still be in charge)

366 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:26:19pm

re: #363 Hengineer

ok so the President gets mad at the First Lady because she yells at him to take out the trash, so what?

Thanks for saving me ten pages. ...not that I was going to read it anyway. I have absolutely no interest in their relationship. They seem happy together, that's about as much as I need/care to know.

367 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:27:18pm

re: #325 PT Barnum

One of the problems with the current system is that doctors and hospitals are paid by the procedure rather than by out come or by patient. This means that doctors are encouraged to perform unneccesary procedures because they get paid for them whether they are needed or not.

I think there needs to be flat fee per patient with bonuses paid out based on measurable outcomes, like readmission rates to hospital, infection rates, etc.

It's an interesting idea. But the bulk of those "unnecessary" tests happen as part of the initial diagnosis, when the cause of an ailment isn't yet known. I agree that cost isn't considered, because it is essentially invisible to both the doctor and the patient, but it isn't quite as simple as the tests being completely unneeded. And in many cases, the tests turn up things that wouldn't have been caught otherwise, sometimes leading to early detection of disease that would be much more costly and risky to treat if left until later.

So the downside I see for this approach would be a system that pushes doctors to adhere to a "standard" diagnosis based on a subset of easily observable symptoms - those that don't require a lot of tests - even when tests are really required to figure out what's going on. You'll wind up with more mis-diagnoses this way, with a decline in good outcomes.

I do agree that outcomes should play a role in payment, however. If I go in for what is initially minor hand surgery and wind up worse off than I was when I went in, then spend the next seven or eight years alternating long bouts of physical therapy with a succession of additional operations to "fix" the problems caused by the first surgery - and my insurance company keeps getting the bills for each and every procedure - there's something seriously fucked up. And this is exactly what a coworker has been going through for years now.

I'm not quite sure how to implement this, though, without endangering patient care in the long run.

368 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:27:46pm

re: #363 Hengineer

ok so the President gets mad at the First Lady because she yells at him to take out the trash, so what?

If I were on Rhodes, I wouldn't read it either.

369 lastlaugh  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:28:25pm

re: #357 HelloDare

Saw this comment on a story about Pelosi and Healthcare. Real or not, it's funny.

The homeless guy. As in one? Try living in Coastal or downtown LA and dismissing the problem with a cute anecdote.

Why doesn't this Lazy woman go pull weeds?
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

370 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:28:26pm

re: #358 bosforus

I submit!

LOL!

371 non obama mama  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:28:44pm

Heh, I am totally against Obama, but I rely upon logic and not lunacy.

Taitz is really on the edge (okay, over the edge) of sanity in what she is peddling...

372 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #253 bosforus

That reply was meant for #207 The Sanity Inspector

Glad you liked it.

373 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:34:40pm

re: #371 non obama mama

Heh, I am totally against Obama, but I rely upon logic and not lunacy.

Taitz is really on the edge (okay, over the edge) of sanity in what she is peddling...

Exactly. Obama is a president from the opposing political camp--not an pod person from outer space.

374 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:37:49pm

You know the song, but have you heard this funny story about it?

Youtube Video
375 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:39:26pm

Michelle Obama Fall Harvest: Reveals That The White House Garden Cost Only $180 To Plant

The First Lady also asked the students how much they thought it cost to plant the garden. They guessed $300, $800, $1000 and $6000 as Michelle acted as auctioneer.

She then revealed the answer: "Over 740 pounds of food have come out of this little piece of land... It [cost] about $180."

In addition to the White House kitchen preparing the vegetables, they are also being donated to Miriam's Kitchen, a soup kitchen in DC.

Socialism!

376 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:40:42pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

This might be why.

So, has avideditor left the country yet?

377 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:47:31pm

An interesting and nuanced defense of Glenn Beck...
Penn Gillette: Defending Glenn Beck

Youtube Video

It seems he's back peddling a little bit. Also Penn kinda ignores the difference. Penn never made appearances with Abby Hoffman or Michael Moore. I still think Penn likes Beck more than he's willing to admit. I think it's kinda funny that he's now embarrassed about it.

378 bosforus  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:53:44pm

re: #350 Sharmuta

This might be why.

Ugggh, I hope those fantasies got rewarded with a little red flag at the DHS.

379 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:54:08pm

Islam's Darwin Problem

380 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:54:28pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

I haven't watched that, but from the info at YouTube, it looks like that one comes before Tommy Smothers yelled at him.

381 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:57:24pm

re: #321 spacejesus

Probably more so because Rodan has a brain disease

Sorry, I saw a mention of the rodent... What a truly sad sack...

382 freetoken  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:58:19pm

re: #375 Killgore Trout

Oh... c'mon... you actually fell for that? What about the costs for the SS to protect her while Michelle was shopping for gardening tools and such? What about the 24/7 SS, USAF, and USMC guards around the grounds? (You have to include the costs of protecting the garden from harm, like any farmer must.)

Including those costs, I'd bet the true cost is in the six figures... all for a couple of sweet potatoes.

Classic socialist government program, paying over $50,000 per sweet potato!

/

383 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 3:59:13pm

Ex-pat blogger Roboseyo offers advice on good blogging practices. The tips are geared towards K-bloggers, but much wisdom of a general nature is provided, too.

384 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:01:02pm

This is an odd and interesting story. I wonder how accurate it is.

Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain, a former Government adviser said yesterday.
Andrew Neather, a speechwriter who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said Labour's relaxation of controls was a plan to 'open up the UK to mass migration'.
As well as bringing in hundreds of thousands to plug labour market gaps, there was also a 'driving political purpose' behind immigration policy, he claimed.
Ministers hoped to change the country radically and 'rub the Right's nose in diversity'. But Mr Neather said senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its 'core working-class vote'.
On Question Time, Mr Straw was repeatedly quizzed about whether Labour's immigration policies had left the door open for the BNP.
Writing in the Evening Standard, Mr Neather revealed the 'major shift' in immigration policy came after the publication of a policy paper from the Performance and Innovation Unit, a Downing Street think tank based in the Cabinet Office.
The published version promoted the labour-market case for immigration but Mr Neather said unpublished versions contained additional reasons.
'Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.
'I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.' The 'deliberate policy', from late 2000 until 'at least February last year', when the new points-based system was introduced, was to open up the UK to mass migration, he said.
Mr Neather defended the policy, saying mass immigration has 'enriched' Britain and made London a more attractive and cosmopolitan place.
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of the Migrationwatch think tank, said: 'Now at least the truth is out, and it's dynamite. Many have long suspected that mass immigration under Labour was not just a cock-up but a conspiracy. They were right.
'This Government has admitted three million immigrants for cynical political reasons concealed by dodgy economic camouflage.'
The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: 'We welcome this statement which the whole country knows to be true.
'It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain.'

385 reine.de.tout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:02:22pm

re: #382 freetoken

Oh... c'mon... you actually fell for that? What about the costs for the SS to protect her while Michelle was shopping for gardening tools and such? What about the 24/7 SS, USAF, and USMC guards around the grounds? (You have to include the costs of protecting the garden from harm, like any farmer must.)

Including those costs, I'd bet the true cost is in the six figures... all for a couple of sweet potatoes.

Classic socialist government program, paying over $50,000 per sweet potato!

/

I suspect those Secret Service and other security personnel would have been there, garden or not.

If so, then it's not accurate to claim these as a "cost" of the garden. It would have been a cost even if there had been no garden.

386 armylaw  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:03:26pm

Best line:

Defendants state that the Plaintiffs cannot meet the injury-in-fact requirement because they “cannot counter the argument that, from a simple mathematical analysis, . . . they were not on the ballot in enough states in the 2008 Presidential election to even hope that they could gain the requisite 270 electoral votes to win the Presidency or Vice Presidency of the United States.” Defs.’ Reply 3:6-11. If there should in fact be a dividing line for that is dependent on the likelihood of success in the election, then this is not a case which would hover on that line as Plaintiffs received only four-hundredth of one percent of the vote. The Court may have already met this entire group of voters at the hearings on this matter.
387 SixDegrees  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:11:23pm

re: #375 Killgore Trout

Michelle Obama Fall Harvest: Reveals That The White House Garden Cost Only $180 To Plant

Socialism!

All very nice, and I certainly am not one to criticize gardening, but that $180 sounds like what the plants and seeds cost. If so, the actual cost is higher, once you toss in water, fertilizer, pesticides (if used), tools (especially when you're beginning) and - most importantly - your time and labor. We stopped vegetable gardening several years ago because the demands on our time was simply too great. Now that the kids are older we'll probably take it up again, because it is something we enjoy, but the idea that you're going to reap this bountiful, cheap harvest is something of an illusion, and it's certainly not the reason you should take up the practice. It's something you should do because you like to.

There was a similar rash of interest in vegetable gardening back in the early 80s, with similar glowing reports about the economies of home gardens based on similar illusory analyses. A whole lot of people tried it - and failed to realize the promised benefits. At least some of those might not have been turned off had they not been misled about the costs in the first place.

388 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:12:52pm

re: #380 wrenchwench

I haven't watched that, but from the info at YouTube, it looks like that one comes before Tommy Smothers yelled at him.

Hmmm, I hadn't noticed that.

389 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #317 spacejesus

they're calling richard nixon a leftist over at stalkerblog.com right now

Where you stand depends of where you sit.

390 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:41:34pm

re: #387 SixDegrees

I agree. Another downside is that gardening (in any serious sense) requires a level of commitment- in terms of time and labor -- which must be on-going. In other words you can't just suddenly abandon the garden (allowing it to go to weeds -- turning an area into a festering noxious weed heap is not "good for the environment"; neither, btw, is allowing noxious pests, as in insects, free reign to multiply and infest other areas..In some rural communities in Canada, with lax/lazy "city folk" doing their "gardening" in rural, farming areas -- they risk incurring stiff fines and clean-up orders if they allow their "gardens" to proliferate weeds or insect pests. Now that's Socialism!

391 J.S.  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 4:50:29pm

re: #384 reine.de.tout

Some of this sounds (as far as I'm concerned) a little too conspiratorial (and with an added political edge against Leftist/Liberals). I half suspect that the influx of immigrants (say from Pakistan, India, etc.) to the UK arose as a consequence of the history of British colonialism and that of the British Commonwealth. The British commonwealth (any nation included in it) allowed citizens to travel freely (with minimal to zero interference in terms of "immigration" laws as we know here in North America.) (btw there's a similar argument with respect to Trudeau and the opening of immigration in Canada from what have been termed "non-traditional" locales -- ie, Middle East and Asia...and this was alleged to be Trudeau's "ploy" (?) to undermine French nationalists.)

392 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 5:09:07pm

re: #42 brent

So, by this logic, the courts are not the avenue to force an answer - is that the gist of this? Once Obama was elected it became a matter for the legislative branch?

Correct. The Constitution grants Congress the exclusive power to remove the President before the end of his term of office.


I have a problem with claiming that perjury was suborned - it either was or wasn't. If it was, then prosecute - if not, claiming that as an aside in a legal judgment seems to be on shaky legal grounds.

Judges don't prosecute, prosecutors do. Judge Carter didn't claim perjury was suborned-only that some of Orly's witnesses submitted affidavits to that effect. Its unlikely charges will be brought because it will be Orly's word against the people making the charge.

393 fifth_of_november  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:07:52pm

The Nirthers live in a very strange world indeed.

They live in a world where the ruthless Hillary Clinton was kind enough to let a non-citizen defeat in the Democratic Primaries.

They live in a world where McCain could have instantly disqualified his opponent, but chose not to.

They live in a world where the GOP Governor of Hawaii is in on the conspiracy.

They live in a world where a Kenyan Birth Certificate posted by an anonymous Internet user is stronger evidence than an official Birth Certificate issued and certified by the State of Hawaii.

They live in a world where an interview with Obama's Grandmother (led on by misleading interview questions) is stronger evidence than testimony from the Governor of Hawaii.

They live in a world where a White American Woman in 1961 traveled to an unstable African country, 8 months pregnant, gave birth, then somehow got back through US Customs without anyone noticing the baby.

They live in a world where Obama's mother put a birth announcement in two different newspapers, just in case her son decided to run for President one day.

394 Thirty Eight  Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:31:21pm

re: #391 J.S.

Some of this sounds (as far as I'm concerned) a little too conspiratorial (and with an added political edge against Leftist/Liberals). I half suspect that the influx of immigrants (say from Pakistan, India, etc.) to the UK arose as a consequence of the history of British colonialism and that of the British Commonwealth. The British commonwealth (any nation included in it) allowed citizens to travel freely (with minimal to zero interference in terms of "immigration" laws as we know here in North America.)

There is a big difference between the British Empire and the British Commonwealth than succeeded it as far as immigration policy goes. Anyone born in a British colony such as Jamaica before independence had the right to immigrate to Britain. However those born after independence do not gain automatic entry even if their nation of origin is still in the British Commonwealth. There are additional complications, some nations in the Commonwealth are Republics (i.e. do not recognize the Queen), while others like Australia and New Zealand still do despite being independent nations and no longer colonies. Immigration from the latter is generally more easy than the former.

As for the claims about Labour's immigration policy, they sound credible to me, coming as they do from a Labour-party insider. Given that immigration policy can be such a volatile issue it is extremely reckless to set immigration for political reasons (i.e. importing a left-leaning voting constituency) as opposed to economic or humanitarian ones. The Labour Party in NZ is similarly cynical. In the early 2000s they did an about-face on their previously liberal immigration policies, in particular w/r/t to immigration from Hong Kong and Singapore, imposing harsh English-language tests that excluded the majority of prospective immigrants. Suspiciously, immigrants from those countries were mostly economic conservatives who were voting for the rival National party.

395 ArdentCapitalist  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:05:47pm

Here's my conspiracy theory regarding Obama's nirth certifikit. The nirthers are always saying how he claimed status as a foreign student when going to college and they accurately point out the rather sizable amount of money that Obama's legal team has spent preventing release of his UC records.

He was a young punk kid, much like he is now, and being an American with residency overseas, had SOME form of identification issued by a foreign government... much like my friend has a Taiwanese driver license and other identification documents (even though he just works there as an American abroad). The ever so opportunist Obama then uses these foreign-issued documents (much easier to pass off back then before the age of computer verification) to get a nice fat break on his tuition bill.

There you have it. That's my conspiracy. Obama used his foreign ID documents to get cheaper tuition. Naturally his legal team does not want this to become public, because it tarnishes his very managed image.

Note to all of you out there who think this is crazy... so do I, but it's about the only plausible nirth certifikit theory I can come up with regarding his legal team's resistance to releasing his UC records.

396 peterb  Fri, Oct 30, 2009 7:38:32pm

In the freerepublic thread on this topic
here let me draw everyone's attention to post number 140, which uses a certain provocative image.

Just in case anyone was still wondering where the Birthers were coming from.


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