3 | freetoken Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:19:52pm |
The shore... waves splash against their boundaries... blue kisses tanned yellows... where water meets rock... a place to contemplate life when one has nothing else to do ... which reminds me of a special Christmas tune that seems quite appropriate wrt the last thread:
/you only got 55 days left...
4 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:21:48pm |
re: #3 freetoken
The shore... waves splash against their boundaries... blue kisses tanned yellows... where water meets rock... a place to contemplate life when one has nothing else to do ... which reminds me of a special Christmas tune that seems quite appropriate wrt the last thread:
[Video]/you only got 55 days left...
I don't start my Christmas shopping until November as a matter of principle.
5 | freetoken Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:23:30pm |
re: #4 Dark_Falcon
I don't start my Christmas shopping until November as a matter of principle.
Ok... you got 1 day left then!
6 | cliffster Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:24:32pm |
Off I go to bed. The kids were already in near-meltdown today over Halloween; I have to be ready for an early start to a long day of costume-wearing and candy-gathering anticipation. Happy Evil-Spirit's Eve to All!
7 | shiplord kirel Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:36:46pm |
Sheesh! Earlier tonight I talked with my antivax friend who contracted the flu after he steadfastly refused to get the vaccine. He and his 10 year old son are recovering fairly well. I forebore mentioning the vaccine.
Unfortunately, the dad also has a very bad case of ODS.
He launched into a bitter denunciation of Obama's trip to Dover to meet our returning war dead, calling it a "photo op" and gloating that some of the famlies allegedly refused to be photographed with the President. (It might not have occurred to Mr. Antivax/ODS that the families did not want to be photographed at all on such an occasion, POTUS or not.)
Now, I am not a big fan of Obama, and I didn't vote for him, but I just do not understand those on the right who seem to be eaten alive with hatred for the man. They are not a loyal opposition, they are more like a pack of rabid dogs. To them, Obama literally can't do anything right. For example, I asked Mr. Antivax how Obama's visit to Dover would have been different if it had been a pure act of humanity and compassion rather than a cynical political ploy. His answer: If someone other than Obama had done it.
8 | Dark_Falcon Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:48:24pm |
re: #7 shiplord kirel
Sheesh! Earlier tonight I talked with my antivax friend who contracted the flu after he steadfastly refused to get the vaccine. He and his 10 year old son are recovering fairly well. I forebore mentioning the vaccine.
Unfortunately, the dad also has a very bad case of ODS.
He launched into a bitter denunciation of Obama's trip to Dover to meet our returning war dead, calling it a "photo op" and gloating that some of the famlies allegedly refused to be photographed with the President. (It might not have occurred to Mr. Antivax/ODS that the families did not want to be photographed at all on such an occasion, POTUS or not.)
Now, I am not a big fan of Obama, and I didn't vote for him, but I just do not understand those on the right who seem to be eaten alive with hatred for the man. They are not a loyal opposition, they are more like a pack of rabid dogs. To them, Obama literally can't do anything right. For example, I asked Mr. Antivax how Obama's visit to Dover would have been different if it had been a pure act of humanity and compassion rather than a cynical political ploy. His answer: If someone other than Obama had done it.
That last sentence really does sum up any Derangement Syndrome in a nutshell (pun intended). The person who is the target if the craziness comes to represent utter evil and must always be opposed no matter what they do. Its deeply sick and very sad to see.
9 | Pythagoras Fri, Oct 30, 2009 11:49:50pm |
re: #7 shiplord kirel
I absolutely agree on the creepiness of ODS. To me, it looks the same as BDS. I'm beginning to sense a pattern here and it worries me to death. We have seen almost a decade of the opposition perfectly willing to tear down just about anything, so long as the party in power gets hurt in the process.
It was unpatriotic when Bush was president and it's unpatriotic now. If it goes on much longer, it could suck beyond our wildest imagination.
10 | lastlaugh Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:05:30am |
re: #9 Pythagoras
It was unpatriotic when Bush was president and it's unpatriotic now. If it goes on much longer, it could suck beyond our wildest imagination.
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
11 | soxfan4life Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:07:33am |
re: #10 lastlaugh
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
He won, plain and simple. And after listening to the BDS crowd for 8 years he simply became the target of pent up anger.
13 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:15:52am |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
re: #9 Pythagoras
It might help if major politicians would make more of an effort to show that they like and respect each other personally, as most of them actually do. Obama and McCain did some of this during the campaign during the campaign last year but it was not enough to register on their crazier supporters.
At one time, it was taken for granted that the great men of politics, at least at the national level, could be friendly personally while remaining political adversaries. The classic example might be John F. Kennedy and Barry Goldwater. They were polar opposites politically, sharing almost nothing but a mutual detestation of communism, but they were great friends personally and spent a great deal of time drinking, fishing, and generally socializing together.
During the summer of 1963, when it first seemed likely that Goldwater might be JFK's opponent in the 1964 election, the two hatched a plan to conduct the campaign as a kind of joint whistle-stop tour. They would criss-cross the country on the same train, holding debates at every stop along the way. Since they were both notable party animals, it could have been an interesting trip indeed and it might have permanently changed the tone of American politics. Alas, it was not to be.
14 | Pythagoras Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:22:22am |
re: #10 lastlaugh
I'll tread lightly on this but something seems more remarkable about Obama hate than Bush hate. I mean Bush started a pre-emptive war. Right or wrong, whether or not you support it, that's a huge fucking deal and you know it will trigger radical response. I think anyone who knows anything about American politics knows that war can be a flash-point for even the moderate lefties and its going to bring out the crazies in full force. Look what happened to Lyndon Johnson.
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
This isn't about one president deserves it and one doesn't, but it just seems like many on the right are trying to use this period as payback for the bush-era.
Again, I'm trying to ask this question delicately, and I'm not saying Bush deserved the hate, but just that you might expect it if you know how the left reacts.
I kinda agree but Bush was hated even before any war. People hated him before he was inaugurated! Remember why Jeffords bailed? Remember all the filibusters even before 9/11? Remember how 2 of Bush's first 11 judicial appointments were ones Clinton had tried to appoint and they were quickly confirmed but most of the rest either never got confirmed or were part of the "gang of 14" plan 4 years later?
And Clinton was hated before that, and Bush 1 before that. I don't want to pin this on any one side. It's been building for decades. It seems to get a bit worse every administration. Imagine if it keeps rising!
15 | bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:28:07am |
re: #14 Pythagoras
Hatred of any Republican President is endemic since Nixon. The media and the 60's types remember longingly that victory and lust for a repeat. The OBS appears much more grass roots, with the exception of the influence of FOX, but even then it is not the latent type we see in the rest of the MSM and left.
16 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:31:08am |
Uh oh
Bullet hits Lou Dobbs' NJ home with wife nearby
WANTAGE, N.J. (AP) - Police in New Jersey are trying to determine who fired a bullet that struck CNN commentator Lou Dobbs' home as his wife stood nearby. State police Sgt. Stephen Jones says Dobbs' wife and driver were outside the home Oct. 5 when they heard the gunshot. Jones says the bullet didn't penetrate the siding and fell to the ground outside.
Dobbs mentioned the bullet earlier this week on CNN and his radio show.
Dobbs says he had been receiving threatening phone calls for weeks. On his radio show, he connected the gunshot to his advocacy for a crackdown on illegal immigration and to his opponents' rhetoric.
The home is on a farm in Wantage, about 50 miles northwest of New York City.
It is small-game hunting season, but no hunters were seen in the area.
Not to minimize this incident, but it does seem that Dobbs is jumping to conclusions. Sniper attacks just aren't the batshit left's style, they are more into bombs, probably a result of being outside the gun culture and consequently lacking the necessary skills. If it was a small game hunter who realized he had bagged a house rather than a varmint, he would almost certainly have skeddaddled before the state police could arrive.
17 | austin_blue Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:41:51am |
I'd like to thank everyone for keeping a relatively even keel on that last thread. Not every point was answered, not every slam was responded to. All in all, very civil. Thanks to the board!
And good night, my dear Lizards. I don't think a lot of the poster's here have any idea how singular this site is. Kudos to all involved, and my deepest regards.
18 | Bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:44:59am |
re: #17 austin_blue
Good night austin_blue, thank you for your comments!
19 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 12:49:36am |
re: #10 lastlaugh
But what exactly has BO done to anger the right so much, and elevate the rhetoric so harshly so fast?
The stimulus, Cap and trade and 0bamacare- bad, bad, god-awful policies that will harm the country and he's trying to pass through on the basis of his personality with no questions asked. Granted those crap-tastic ideas aren't his alone, but ultimately he gets to sign off on them and there's more in the pipeline (Card Check, a 2nd stimulus).
Bush won re-election by a wider margin than 0bama did, and one of the first things we heard the Fat Fuck From Flint Micheal Moore say was '56% isn't a mandate, Mr. Bush'...but apparently to these hypocrates on the left, 52% is a mandate when their guy won.
I have no problem when he does the right thing (Maersk Alabama; various predator drone strikes in Pakistan that I'm sure he signed off on at some point)...especially when they result in the enemies of the United States of America being killed. But the guy's a smarmy, thin-skinned Chicago hack who's barely been asked a difficult question by his MSM cheerleaders. I have zero faith or trust in the guy based on what he's trying to achieve domestically.
If that makes me an 0DS sufferer, so be it.
20 | freetoken Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:12:40am |
re: #19 Fenway_Nation
Bush won re-election by a wider margin than 0bama did, and one of the first things we heard the Fat Fuck From Flint Micheal Moore say was '56% isn't a mandate, Mr. Bush'...but apparently to these hypocrates on the left, 52% is a mandate when their guy won.
Don't know where you are getting your figures...
United States presidential election, 2004
Note that GWB just got over half of the popular vote. It has been noted that his results were among the lowest for a sitting President who got re-elected, and especially during wartime seemed rather low.
If that makes me an 0DS sufferer, so be it.
Frankly, at times it does seem you have a mild case of ODS. I've never understood your hatred for Obama.
21 | lastlaugh Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:15:43am |
re: #19 Fenway_Nation
I think you're not who I'm talking about here. You at least acknowledge he's done some right things.
If you say, for instance, UHC would make us no better than Nazi Germany, you may have ODS.
22 | bluecheese Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:15:49am |
re: #16 shiplord kirel
Uh oh
Bullet hits Lou Dobbs' NJ home with wife nearby
Not to minimize this incident, but it does seem that Dobbs is jumping to conclusions. Sniper attacks just aren't the batshit left's style, they are more into bombs, probably a result of being outside the gun culture and consequently lacking the necessary skills. If it was a small game hunter who realized he had bagged a house rather than a varmint, he would almost certainly have skeddaddled before the state police could arrive.
What are you talking about here?
Bombs?
Liberals like bombs. OK.
23 | lastlaugh Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:17:46am |
re: #14 Pythagoras
I kinda agree but Bush was hated even before any war. People hated him before he was inaugurated! Remember why Jeffords bailed? Remember all the filibusters even before 9/11? Remember how 2 of Bush's first 11 judicial appointments were ones Clinton had tried to appoint and they were quickly confirmed but most of the rest either never got confirmed or were part of the "gang of 14" plan 4 years later?
I could be misremembering but that stuff seemed politics as usual. Opposition being the opposition.
The opposition took a sharp turn at the Patriot Act and went off the rails after Iraq.
24 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:21:27am |
re: #22 bluecheese
What are you talking about here?
Bombs?
Liberals like bombs. OK.
Are you really going to conflate "batshit left" with "liberals?"
25 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:26:00am |
re: #22 bluecheese
William Ayers certainly didn't know anything about bombs- otherwise his weather udnerground buddies might still be alive instead of the GIs at Fort Dix their little ill-fated science project was intended for.
Oh wait...I guess Ayers is a foaming-at-the-mouth right winger.
26 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:27:13am |
Keep in mind that Bill Ayers's friends back in '70 did not blow themselves up with party balloons and you would have to be Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck to think of them as liberals.
27 | bluecheese Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:30:31am |
re: #23 lastlaugh
The opposition took a sharp turn at the Patriot Act and went off the rails after Iraq.
IIRC the Patriot Act passed with only one senator voting against it. Anthrax.
The opposition party still authorized, and funded Bush's wars. I don't think that today's Republican opposition is the same as the Dems were under bush.
re: #24 shiplord kirel
Are you really going to conflate "batshit left" with "liberals?"
My bad.
re: #25 Fenway_Nation
William Ayers certainly didn't know anything about bombs- otherwise his weather udnerground buddies might still be alive instead of the GIs at Fort Dix their little ill-fated science project was intended for.
Oh wait...I guess Ayers is a foaming-at-the-mouth right winger.
Ayers? Please.
Do we have anything within the last three decades?
28 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:39:14am |
re: #27 bluecheese
Actually...yea- but it would undercut the 'Liberals don't use guns argument'.
Also...does Eric Rudolph Robert have a cushy teaching job and a home in an upscale neighborhood?
No...wait...he's in the fucking Supermax where he belongs. Wonder why Ayers was such a special little flower princess to get off with no jail time.
29 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:41:32am |
Well, just one loose-knit gang, the animal rightists (not known for their rightist associations, however) at the Revolutionary Cells – Animal Liberation Brigade, have managed the following just since 2003:
The RCALB took credit for its first action on August 27, 2003, when two "pipe bombs filled with an ammonium nitrate" were placed at Chiron Corporation's offices in Emeryville, California...
In September 2003, the RCALB took responsibility for another bombing, this time at the offices of Shaklee Inc...
Incendiary device
On June 24, 2007, an explosive device was placed under a car belonging to Arthur Rosenbaum, a pediatric ophthalmologist who carries out animal experimentation with cats and rhesus monkeys...
Letter bombs
Although no suspicious packages have yet been found, RCALB claimed in January 2009 to Indybay that they sent two UC Davis animal researchers letter bombs...
Vehicle firebombed
In the early hours of March 7, 2009, the Animal Liberation Brigade once again targeted UCLA. This time setting ablaze and destroying a car belonging to a researcher.
30 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:48:09am |
Terrorist attacks in the US since 2000
A good synopsis by method, date, target, and motive.
31 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:49:45am |
re: #30 shiplord kirel
Ah...but the fatal flaw. It's wiki and anybody can edit it.
Of course, having said that I just linked the their entry on the terrorist attacks on Pakistan for just this month alone from my blog.
32 | bluecheese Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:51:32am |
33 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52:19am |
Holy fucking shit...how long did I have Iran's state-controlled PressTV set as my homepage?
34 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:54:32am |
re: #33 Fenway_Nation
Holy fucking shit...how long did I have Iran's state-controlled PressTV set as my homepage?
You've been exposed, Brother Fenway. You are ordered to return to Tehran at once to answer for your lax attitude toward operational security.
35 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:56:17am |
re: #34 shiplord kirel
It's to an article I linked to in the spinoff links...how the hell did it get set as my homepage in the process?
/Article quotes Taliban spokesfecalmatter as saying this week's Peshawar attacks were the work of Blackwater USA.
36 | shiplord kirel Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:03:03am |
re: #35 Fenway_Nation
It's to an article I linked to in the spinoff links...how the hell did it get set as my homepage in the process?
/Article quotes Taliban spokesfecalmatter as saying this week's Peshawar attacks were the work of Blackwater USA.
Actually, I've had that happen too. The last link I post in spin-offs will appear in the posting box as my homepage. Sometimes I have to delete it, after which my original homepage, NuclearSpace, will return by itself. Very odd.
37 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:04:51am |
re: #34 shiplord kirel
You've been exposed, Brother Fenway. You are ordered to return to Tehran at once to answer for your lax attitude toward operational security.
Fuck that...I'm having way too much fun with all this vodka and volutuous infidel hookers!
/
38 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:06:24am |
BTW- would one refer to a terrorist attack that killed 117 people as 'mass casualty'? Or is the threshold higher?
39 | Bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:13:57am |
Well, there's batshit left and then there's the Schrödinger Cat Liberation Front
Clearly liberals, their mission is to save felines from physics experiments. I hope the FBI is watching them, they sound dangerous.
40 | Bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:21:06am |
Grim Milestone: McDonalds withdraws from Iceland is a brilliant title.
41 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:24:14am |
43 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:51:24am |
This obituary for one of the WWII Navajo Code-Talkers is near and dear to me for some reason. Earlier it was just a link to the really short USA Today writeup, but I was able to link to the Navajo tribal newspaper that has a more detailed bio and some worthwhile quotes from an earlier interview.
I might tinker with the timestamp so it'll appear at the top of my blog for a little while.
/Here's to a life well-lived, Mr. Oliver. God bless and thank you!
44 | Fenway_Nation Sat, Oct 31, 2009 2:52:16am |
And on that bittersweet note- I'm outta hea'...
46 | Bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:00:47am |
re: #43 Fenway_Nation
I might tinker with the timestamp so it'll appear at the top of my blog for a little while.
Steady on mate, that's how it starts you know, tinker with a timestamp here and there, later a few stealth edits, next thing you know you're covering up all sorts of iniquity and adverts pimping gold start appearing on your blog.
It's a slippery slope and there's no turning back when you start fabricating data.
47 | Bagua Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:18:37am |
Disturbing details emerge on this sinister and shadowy group.
The Schroedinger Cat Liberation Front aims to save cats from cruel experiments carried out in all theoretical physics labs in the planet. As you may know there is a (thought, they say!)experimant that was devised by the Nazi scientist, Erwin Schrödinger, that occurres in the death of the cat 50% of the time. We cannot afford a loss of felines so high, we will take any action to liberate the cats by opening their little black boxes!
I do understand their grievance, I lost a cat under very suspicious circumstances once. The desire for revenge is there.
But what ennobles us as humans is the ability to put aside our rage and just accept that sometimes bad things happen to good cats and we can't protect them all... and in any case, must never resort to extreme measures to promote our political goals.
48 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Oct 31, 2009 3:43:02am |
re: #7 shiplord kirel
His answer: If someone other than Obama had done it.
When politics becomes like rooting for a football team...
50 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:09:42am |
Ciavarella faces criminal charges that accuse him of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks from owners of private detention centers in exchange for placing juvenile defendants at their facilities, often for minor crimes.
In one reported case, a college-bound high school student served three weeks in juvenile detention for making fun of the school principal on a Web site.
The court said that it "cannot have any confidence that Ciavarella decided any Luzerne County juvenile case fairly and impartially while he labored under the specter of his self-interested dealings with the facilities," and called Ciavarella's actions a "travesty of juvenile justice."
The decision could impact up to 6,500 Pennsylvania youth, whose juvenile detention records will now be erased and their cases dismissed without the possibility of retrial.
SNIP
The ruling is the latest stunning development in a story of corruption that first shocked Luzerne County residents in January 2009. Federal prosecutors announced that respected county judges Ciavarella and Michael Conahan had pleaded guilty to tax evasion and honest services fraud. However, their plea deal and relatively light sentence were later rejected by a federal judge who ruled that Ciavarella and Conahan had failed to accept responsibility for their crimes. In fact, Ciavarella had previously told "20/20" that "we would never agree that [the kids' sentencing] was improper."
Now, the two former judges face much more serious federal racketeering, bribery, and extortion charges. All of this is the result of a lengthy investigation by the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI. Ciavarella and Conahan have pleaded not guilty.
"They sold their oath of offices to the highest bidders and engaged in ongoing schemes to defraud the public of honest services that were expected from them," Deron Roberts, chief of the FBI's Scranton office, said at a late January news conference announcing the case.
SNIP
Ciavarella and Conahan had allegedly devised a plot to use their positions as judges to pad their pockets. They shut down the old county-run juvenile detention center by first refusing to send kids there and, then, by cutting off funds, choking it out of existence.
They then replaced the facility with a cash cow -- a privately owned lockup built by the judges' cronies -- and forged a deal for the county to pay $58 million for a 10-year period for its use. At the time, Conahan was serving as president judge of the Luzerne County Common Pleas Court, a position that allowed him to control the county-court budget. Ciavarella was the Luzerne County juvenile court judge.
SNIP
51 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:20:53am |
re: #50 MandyManners
I hope those bastards spend the rest of their lives in federal prison, and I don't mean a Club Fed.
SNIP
52 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:21:21am |
re: #50 MandyManners
SNIP
I hope those bastards spend the rest of their lives in federal prison, and I don't mean a Club Fed.
53 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:22:51am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
When politics becomes like rooting for a football team...
And all the teams suck!
54 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:30:50am |
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
"Old Soviet joke:
Moscow, 1953. Stalin calls in Khrushchev.
“Niki, I’m dying. Don’t have much to leave you. Just three envelopes. Open them, one at a time, when you get into big trouble.”
A few years later, first crisis. Khrushchev opens envelope 1: “Blame everything on me. Uncle Joe.”
A few years later, a really big crisis. Opens envelope 2: “Blame everything on me. Again. Good luck, Uncle Joe.”
Third crisis. Opens envelope 3: “Prepare three envelopes..."
55 | Timmeh Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:33:23am |
re: #52 MandyManners
Definitely. Just about the worst kind of corruption and miscarriage of justice imaginable. Imprisoning juveniles for profit.
56 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:36:15am |
re: #55 Timmeh
Definitely. Just about the worst kind of corruption and miscarriage of justice imaginable. Imprisoning juveniles for profit.
What perplexes is me is this:
"I think that we had a conspiracy of silence going on in Luzerne County," Levick said. "There were officers of the court, there were members of the district attorney's office, members of probation, private lawyers, public defenders, who were in the courtroom every day. And they had to know what was happening and whether it was by virtue of intimidation or an unwillingness to get involved. The fact remains that nobody stood up."
SNIP
57 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:37:14am |
re: #56 MandyManners
What perplexes is me is this:
"I think that we had a conspiracy of silence going on in Luzerne County," Levick said. "There were officers of the court, there were members of the district attorney's office, members of probation, private lawyers, public defenders, who were in the courtroom every day. And they had to know what was happening and whether it was by virtue of intimidation or an unwillingness to get involved. The fact remains that nobody stood up."
SNIP
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
59 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:45:44am |
re: #52 MandyManners
I hope those bastards spend the rest of their lives in federal prison, and I don't mean a Club Fed.
The local county jail would be better. More chance of running into some of his former charges there than in FedPen.
60 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:46:15am |
61 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:47:36am |
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Just thought it was a little funny.
62 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:48:16am |
re: #59 SixDegrees
The local county jail would be better. More chance of running into some of his former charges there than in FedPen.
I'd rather see them in 23-hour lockdown for the rest of their lives.
63 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:49:05am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Just thought it was a little funny.
Oh, yes, it is funny.
64 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:49:16am |
Gotta run lizards. Time to start prepping for my squadron's ready room tailgate of the FL/GA Game. The keg of homemade Cherry Wheat is chilled and ready to go. Should be a fun day.
65 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:49:32am |
re: #60 MandyManners
Some other bad? Some of those kids were pretty frickin' guilty too.
But, I feel great sadness for those kids who were sold, I don't know another word for it than human trafficking.
66 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:51:24am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
Paraphrased, when I went to comments it disappeared, that's what I can remember.
Just thought it was a little funny.
The whole "targeted ads" schtick is so much BS. All those algorithms do is count words, and stick ads on pages with high counts. They are completely unsophisticated in their selection, so if the word "creationism" pops up frequently, it'll get an ad targeting creationists, even if the page in question is a site wholly critical of the subject.
I would never pay more for such a service than I would for a service that simply placed ads at random.
67 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:52:34am |
The Doors (3 stars) 1991 Jim Morrison ( Val Kilmer) forms a band and turns tragic 1960's 1960s rock star.
I'm blown away by Val's performance in this movie. I guess I can't make fun of the ice-man any more. He played the part of Morrison of inspired genius.
He deserved an Oscar and I highly recommend this movie.
68 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:53:56am |
re: #66 SixDegrees
I know. But the irony almost burns!
69 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:54:48am |
re: #62 MandyManners
I'd rather see them in 23-hour lockdown for the rest of their lives.
Works for me, too, but that won't happen anywhere I know about. County jails, meanwhile, are usually a lot more "lenient" when it comes to things like salad tossing than the Feds are.
70 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:55:00am |
re: #67 HoosierHoops
Dude. He actually sang the role.
71 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:56:43am |
re: #68 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I know. But the irony almost burns!
Heh. I was reading the thread downstairs, thinking that in honor of the new version of the Origin being peddled, I need to release a "special" edition of Genesis, leaving out the unimportant bits and including my own commentary...
72 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:57:20am |
re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some other bad? Some of those kids were pretty frickin' guilty too.
But, I feel great sadness for those kids who were sold, I don't know another word for it than human trafficking.
How can guilt be determined in a hearing of less than five minutes' duration, especially when the court already had detemined the child was going to prison?
73 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:57:44am |
re: #56 MandyManners
I posted that in yesterdays morning thread. I was sure there would be people who would try to explain how the judge has a hard job to do and he was just doing what he thought was best for the children, the millions exchanging hands is pure coincidence. 99.9% of judges are good people after all.
75 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 4:59:30am |
re: #67 HoosierHoops
The Doors (3 stars) 1991 Jim Morrison ( Val Kilmer) forms a band and turns tragic 1960's 1960s rock star.
I'm blown away by Val's performance in this movie. I guess I can't make fun of the ice-man any more. He played the part of Morrison of inspired genius.
He deserved an Oscar and I highly recommend this movie.
Kilmer got the part after making a video of himself performing Doors material and playing it for Stone. He told Stone that songs were mixed up between his own singing and Morrison's. He asked Stone to tell them apart; after he made his guesses as to who was singing what songs, Kilmer admitted that the entire video was him singing.
76 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:00:26am |
re: #69 SixDegrees
Works for me, too, but that won't happen anywhere I know about. County jails, meanwhile, are usually a lot more "lenient" when it comes to things like salad tossing than the Feds are.
Typically, county jails hold defendants for trial and convicts serving 11/29 on state charges, and these are federal charges.
77 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:02:03am |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kilmer got the part after making a video of himself performing Doors material and playing it for Stone. He told Stone that songs were mixed up between his own singing and Morrison's. He asked Stone to tell them apart; after he made his guesses as to who was singing what songs, Kilmer admitted that the entire video was him singing.
Just amazing piece of art...I always thought Val was a second rate actor.. No more.
78 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:03:07am |
re: #69 SixDegrees
I have a in-law who is in a max security fed pen (ironically, in Pennsylvania). It's pretty brutal.
79 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:04:23am |
re: #50 MandyManners
An incredible story. Sounds very "Third World" doesn't it.
80 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:04:25am |
re: #73 RogueOne
I posted that in yesterdays morning thread. I was sure there would be people who would try to explain how the judge has a hard job to do and he was just doing what he thought was best for the children, the millions exchanging hands is pure coincidence. 99.9% of judges are good people after all.
The only people I can imagine who hold that attitude are the judges, their families and their attorneys. As for 99.9 per cent of judges being good people, in my career as a reporter and my work as a paralegal, I've found that to be generally true but, I've also seen some doozies on the bench!
81 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:05:50am |
re: #76 MandyManners
Typically, county jails hold defendants for trial and convicts serving 11/29 on state charges, and these are federal charges.
Oh - I didn't realize they were Federal charges. So much for that idea, then.
My next hope is that he gets his ass sued, and all those millions he received go to his victims. Same with those running the institutions he was supplying.
82 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:07:15am |
re: #78 RogueOne
I have a in-law who is in a max security fed pen (ironically, in Pennsylvania). It's pretty brutal.
I hope these assholes get sent to the supermax in Florence, Colorado, or Pelican Bay in California.
83 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:08:02am |
re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
An incredible story. Sounds very "Third World" doesn't it.
The violations of due process boggle the mind, don't they?
84 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:09:07am |
re: #81 SixDegrees
Oh - I didn't realize they were Federal charges. So much for that idea, then.
My next hope is that he gets his ass sued, and all those millions he received go to his victims. Same with those running the institutions he was supplying.
I don't see how either can cloak themselves in governmental immunity.
85 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:10:37am |
re: #84 MandyManners
I don't see how either can cloak themselves in governmental immunity.
I don't think that dog's gonna hunt, either.
86 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:13:09am |
Mandy. Thanks for posting the lyrics to "How Great Thou Art" yesterday. Was lovely, as are you.
87 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:13:46am |
88 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:14:34am |
re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mandy. Thanks for posting the lyrics to "How Great Thou Art" yesterday. Was lovely, as are you.
*blush*
Thank you. It's the first thing that came to mind when I saw that photograph.
89 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:14:57am |
I wonder what a corrupt judge thinks about when he's awaiting sentencing...by another judge?
90 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:16:01am |
re: #87 MandyManners
It would be the height of irony.
Maybe they'll get a judge with an "Agreement" with the people who supply electricity to "the chair".
91 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:16:42am |
re: #89 SixDegrees
I wonder what a corrupt judge thinks about when he's awaiting sentencing...by another judge?
I hope they're both scared shitless. Or, their egos might be so sick that they expect to skate.
92 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:17:52am |
re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe they'll get a judge with an "Agreement" with the people who supply electricity to "the chair".
HA! But, it's not a capital case.
93 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:18:01am |
re: #84 MandyManners
I don't know. Have you seen this case?
[Link: www.acslaw.org...]
The Supreme Court's Imbler opinion is quite broad. It grants prosecutors absolute immunity from § 1983 lawsuits even if they knowingly used perjured testimony at trial, deliberately withheld exculpatory information, or failed to make a full disclosure of all facts casting doubt upon the state's testimony.
If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
94 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:19:37am |
Here is where I originally found that story:
[Link: reason.com...]
96 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:23:47am |
re: #93 RogueOne
I don't know. Have you seen this case?
[Link: www.acslaw.org...]
If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
Destroying a state institution (the juvenile lock up) in order to create an enterprise from which they would profit after giving no due process to the defendants? I just don't see GI going that far.
97 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:30:05am |
re: #93 RogueOne
I don't know. Have you seen this case?
[Link: www.acslaw.org...]If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
a vigilante
98 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:32:16am |
re: #97 albusteve
Thumbs up for thinking outside the box
/
sarc tag so I don't get a visit from the secret service
99 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:35:59am |
re: #93 RogueOne
I don't know. Have you seen this case?
[Link: www.acslaw.org...]If prosecutors have absolute immunity even if they make up evidence, what's to stop judges from enjoying the same kind of immunity?
It isn't absolute immunity. It's immunity against civil lawsuits. They're still liable for a whole truckload of criminal and ethical charges.
Not to imply that this decision should stand, but it isn't an absolute roadblock to prosecution by any stretch. It does, however, stand in the way of allowing victims to seek damages from those responsible, a matter that ought to be revisited.
100 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:43:55am |
Steve Hines at AT...
With countless examples of the media ignoring news that might damage Democrats, it seems this practice has bred a sense of security among the party's leaders. They even appear emboldened by their media allies as they get closer than ever to something they've craved for decades: complete control of the health care industry. To wit, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her band of Pelosheviks are compelled to tell us that things are not what we know they are. Last week, Pelosi said with a straight face (I've been waiting to use that line) that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts next year will not be a tax increase, but rather the "eliminating a tax decrease that was there." This would be funny stuff if she were not in charge of our nation's fiscal health. Don't hold your breath waiting for that kind of health reform.
102 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:45:25am |
re: #100 albusteve
Steve Hines at AT...
With countless examples of the media ignoring news that might damage Democrats, it seems this practice has bred a sense of security among the party's leaders. They even appear emboldened by their media allies as they get closer than ever to something they've craved for decades: complete control of the health care industry. To wit, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her band of Pelosheviks are compelled to tell us that things are not what we know they are. Last week, Pelosi said with a straight face (I've been waiting to use that line) that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts next year will not be a tax increase, but rather the "eliminating a tax decrease that was there." This would be funny stuff if she were not in charge of our nation's fiscal health. Don't hold your breath waiting for that kind of health reform.
Orwell would be proud.
103 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:51:11am |
re: #99 SixDegrees
True. The judge who accepted the bribes in Pn will likely go to prison but the Pottawattamie v. McGhee case brings up an interesting question. if they have unqualified immunity for their actions before and during the trial what's to stop them from arguing the exchange of money is no worse than manufacturing evidence since the end result is the same.
104 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:51:19am |
105 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:52:09am |
106 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:54:22am |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've seen Alice live at least 20 times. He's one of my favorites.
107 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:55:13am |
re: #106 RogueOne
Once, two days before Halloween... completely by accident. The show was great!
108 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:56:19am |
re: #102 MandyManners
Orwell would be proud.
the liberal left have turned into religious freaks that worship at the alter of control and indoctrination...they want it all regardless of whether it is good for America or not...they have become fanatic in their pursuit of power until reality has no meaning
109 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:56:49am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He used to come to indy for a halloween show, he did it 5 or 6 years in a row. Always a good time.
110 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:57:21am |
Fucking sophomoric.
“Frankly, it was a waste of my time,” said one assistant professor from the Fatima Jinnah Women’s University (FJWU) in Rawalpindi, who asked not to be named. “[Clinton] wasn’t interested in hearing the about the layman’s problems or the reality of our daily lives.”
That caused many, such as Shazia Marri, the information minister of the Sindh province, to leave the meeting frustrated that their concerns were not heard. “Emancipated women in Pakistan have a clear point of view that did not come across,” she said.
SNIP
It didn’t help that many women objected to the format of the discussion, which was moderated by five female news anchors. Before Clinton arrived, one State Department representative explained that the format aimed to imitate the popular talk show, ‘The View.’
But it seems the women were not all convinced that the show is what the meeting most closely mirrored. “This meeting was as micromanaged as our country’s internal affairs,” quipped the FJWU professor. “[The Americans] were trying to retain the upper-hand in the conversation.”
SNIP
111 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 5:58:24am |
re: #108 albusteve
the liberal left have turned into religious freaks that worship at the alter of control and indoctrination...they want it all regardless of whether it is good for America or not...they have become fanatic in their pursuit of power until reality has no meaning
This is the group that has worked hard to deconstruct reality in education, to foist moral equivalence on us.
112 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:01:44am |
re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As a matter-of-fact, I had a buddy who lived a couple blocks from a radio station where Alice was doing an interview the day before a show. We decided to go down and see if he'd sign some shirts for us. This was late 80's, I think he was pimping the Poison album. There were only 2 groups of people waiting, us and some others, maybe 8 people total. He came out and signed autographs, took pics, and chatted for a solid 15 mins, he was very nice about it.
113 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:02:10am |
re: #111 MandyManners
This is the group that has worked hard to deconstruct reality in education, to foist moral equivalence on us.
diversity, choice, world community, redistribution, consenting adults, cultural pluralism, anti military, reduction of American status...and I get slammed for calling them sick fuckers...too bad
114 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:02:33am |
re: #100 albusteve
The Dems have a huge problem looming in their future - the ever-increasing deficit, already at record levels, is only going to get bigger under their leadership. This is already causing grumbling within their own ranks, and outright terror everywhere else, as the unsustainability of their policies becomes apparent.
And the Dems are hamstrung by 0bama's pronouncement, reminiscent of Bush I, of no tax increases. The Dems simply don't know how to cut spending, only increase it; and they're forbidden to raise revenue through tax increases. What to do?
Well, you can employ various stealth measures like this one, allowing tax decreases with time limits on them to expire, then claiming it wasn't really an increase but a "restoration" of ordinary taxation. You can increase a host of fines, fees, mandates and other things that technically aren't taxes, but that walk and quack just like them all the same. And, finally, you can selectively raise taxes on vilified groups, like "the rich," while constantly re-defining exactly what constitutes this class until it includes anyone in the middle class.
The other stone around the Dem's neck is the economy. Any increase in taxes, fees or other source that transfers money from consumer's pockets to government trousers will be a drag on a recovery that looks anemic, at best. And the political price that such increases will command is probably too high for the Dems to bear.
115 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:05:31am |
re: #113 albusteve
diversity, choice, world community, redistribution, consenting adults, cultural pluralism, anti military, reduction of American status...and I get slammed for calling them sick fuckers...too bad
The Cult of Multi-Culti.
116 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:06:39am |
re: #114 SixDegrees
well said...but will voters respond?, after the election of BO I've lost all confidence...you should save this post for another time
118 | SteveC Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:12:05am |
re: #114 SixDegrees
The Dems have a huge problem looming in their future - the ever-increasing deficit, already at record levels, is only going to get bigger under their leadership. This is already causing grumbling within their own ranks, and outright terror everywhere else, as the unsustainability of their policies becomes apparent.
So what? All the Dems have to do is get as many people as possible into a program where the government supplies their needs. Then every election cycle, just keep reminding the faithful exactly which party it is that makes sure the good times keep rolling.
Perpetual power, baby. How sweet it is!
119 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:13:05am |
re: #116 albusteve
well said...but will voters respond?, after the election of BO I've lost all confidence...you should save this post for another time
What'll more likely happen in next year's elections is Democrats will be able to point to a recovery of sorts and claim credit for it - and people will accept that explanation.
Maybe. I saw a report yesterday that job growth may not resume until 2012. A lot of economic indicators are not pointing in the right direction, and people understandably vote their wallets first and foremost.
120 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:13:13am |
Well Thank Goodness the Terrorists at Gitmo will get the H1n1 flue shot before all of our kids in America...I toss and turn at night worrying about a hardened Terrorist might get the swine flu. Hell Let's give them a chit for a Hilton hotel stay and get it over with Mr President.
121 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:13:18am |
O frabjous day, calloo callay!
Morning, LGF nation. Happy Halloween. Random poetry interval:
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it is an ever-fixèd mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wand'ring bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
122 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:15:28am |
re: #120 HoosierHoops
Well Thank Goodness the Terrorists at Gitmo will get the H1n1 flue shot before all of our kids in America...I toss and turn at night worrying about a hardened Terrorist might get the swine flu. Hell Let's give them a chit for a Hilton hotel stay and get it over with Mr President.
I can almost understand prisoners there an in the CONUS getting the shots because it is the ultimate closed society, and we are responsible for their care. H1N1 would spread like the proverbial wildfire in prison and the death toll likely would be astounding.
Now, pardon me while I go rob a bank.
123 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:15:49am |
re: #119 SixDegrees
What'll more likely happen in next year's elections is Democrats will be able to point to a recovery of sorts and claim credit for it - and people will accept that explanation.
Maybe. I saw a report yesterday that job growth may not resume until 2012. A lot of economic indicators are not pointing in the right direction, and people understandably vote their wallets first and foremost.
simply redefine recovery and let the MSN pound away for a year...like hypnosis
124 | SteveC Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:16:29am |
re: #121 iceweasel
O frabjous day, calloo callay!
Morning, LGF nation. Happy Halloween. Random poetry interval:
Whoa, poetry hour! Place is getting a little classy!
*AHEM*
Carnation Milk is the best in the land;
Here I sit with a can in my hand.
No udders to pull, no hay to pitch,
I just pull the top off the son of a -
125 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:18:47am |
gone but not forgotten...
Starkle starkle little twink,
Who the Hell are you I think,
I'm not under what you call,
the alcofluence of incohol.
I'm just a little slort of sheep,
I'm not drunk like thinkle peep.
I don't know who is me yet,
but the drunker I stay the longer I get.
So one more drink to fill up my cup,
I got all day sober to Sunday up.
126 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:19:06am |
re: #122 MandyManners
I can almost understand prisoners there an in the CONUS getting the shots because it is the ultimate closed society, and we are responsible for their care. H1N1 would spread like the proverbial wildfire in prison and the death toll likely would be astounding.
Now, pardon me while I go rob a bank.
The Military should get a shot...But Child care centers are really the breeding ground for the flu.. After all the kiddies get a shot...Then give it the animals at Gitmo.. IMO
127 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:20:34am |
128 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:22:07am |
re: #126 HoosierHoops
The Military should get a shot...But Child care centers are really the breeding ground for the flu.. After all the kiddies get a shot...Then give it the animals at Gitmo.. IMO
Not everyone at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
129 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:24:23am |
re: #128 MandyManners
Not everyone at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
You are really harshing my daily outrage Mandy...
Good Morning...Need a wheel man for the bank robbery?
LOL
130 | SteveC Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:24:34am |
Six people faint on flight from Newark to London
They were probably just relieved to be getting out of Newark!!
131 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:25:13am |
re: #129 HoosierHoops
You are really harshing my daily outrage Mandy...
Good Morning...Need a wheel man for the bank robbery?
LOL
How fast can you drive?
132 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:26:19am |
re: #130 SteveC
Six people faint on flight from Newark to London
They were probably just relieved to be getting out of Newark!!
That's odd.
133 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:27:54am |
re: #130 SteveC
Six people faint on flight from Newark to London
They were probably just relieved to be getting out of Newark!!
Cause for fainting for me would the the mere fact of being on an airplane to begin with.
136 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:31:11am |
The service for Luqman Ameen Abdullah was set for Saturday morning at the Muslim Center in Detroit.
SNIP
137 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:31:42am |
re: #130 SteveC
Six people faint on flight from Newark to London
They were probably just relieved to be getting out of Newark!!
Really smelly fart?
138 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:32:07am |
re: #133 reine.de.tout
Cause for fainting for me would the the mere fact of being on an airplane to begin with.
Back in the days when I still flew, I'd have to be drugged from the moment I got out of bed the day of the flight.
139 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:32:39am |
re: #131 MandyManners
How fast can you drive?
Speaking of driving fast.. I flew my dad out from Cali to drive an Indy race car
on the Indy Track for a Christmas Present...You too can drive on the track really fast for 500 bucks..Sign up here Lizards.
[Link: www.indyracingexperience.com...]
140 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:32:42am |
141 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:33:47am |
re: #135 SteveC
Ya'll take my car!
cut me in and you can borrow mine...nobody will even notice it
Image: 1094747147_offer_jlm-muscle_cars-1969_chevy_camaro_street_rod.jpg
142 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:34:17am |
re: #139 HoosierHoops
Speaking of driving fast.. I flew my dad out from Cali to drive an Indy race car
on the Indy Track for a Christmas Present...You too can drive on the track really fast for 500 bucks..Sign up here Lizards.
[Link: www.indyracingexperience.com...]
143 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:37:53am |
re: #128 MandyManners
Not everyone No one at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
144 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:39:20am |
re: #138 MandyManners
Back in the days when I still flew, I'd have to be drugged from the moment I got out of bed the day of the flight.
I never did that, but probably should have.
I just get nervous and then I would get all chatty and drive everyone near me absolutely berserk.
145 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:40:50am |
re: #143 philosophus invidius
Not everyoneNo one at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
they are not criminals...they are illegal combatants
146 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:42:25am |
re: #144 reine.de.tout
I never did that, but probably should have.
I just get nervous and then I would get all chatty and drive everyone near me absolutely berserk.
my mom does that all the time...no problem
147 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:42:56am |
re: #145 albusteve
they are not criminals...they are illegal combatants
An unlawful combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a civilian who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law (IHL) and may be detained or prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action
149 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:43:18am |
re: #143 philosophus invidius
Not everyoneNo one at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
Since when did it become fashionable to put non-citizen enemy combatants on trial?
150 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:44:17am |
Just send the GITMO peeps back to their home countries. I really don't care what happens then.
152 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:48:24am |
re: #144 reine.de.tout
I never did that, but probably should have.
I just get nervous and then I would get all chatty and drive everyone near me absolutely berserk.
You'd love flying with me.. When the Gov't sent 300 of us Nuke workers to Pearl Harbor for 3 years, I flew with a couple of lady Fellow workers who were terrified of Flying.. We sat in the bar in SFO and got completely trashed before take off...We boarded and they passed out on my left and right shoulder.. I woke them up when we landed...
You really need to fly with the Hoopster.. *wink*
153 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:48:32am |
re: #151 albusteve
well there you have it
Notice that an unlawful combatant has engaged in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law.
It often sems to be forgotten (and very rarely ever mentioned) that an unlawful combatant has violated international law.
154 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:53:25am |
For Halloween I thought I'd go as a sociopath. They look like everyone else.
155 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 6:59:13am |
re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not to start a big Creationism debate, but there was a banner ad at the very top of LGF..."Creation Help, a source for Pastors and Priests" "For help preserving the creation story".
(Snip)
Is that some kind of soy thing you use to stretch "Pre-mortial Soup"?
156 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:03:40am |
re: #153 reine.de.tout
Notice that an unlawful combatant has engaged in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law.
It often sems to be forgotten (and very rarely ever mentioned) that an unlawful combatant has violated international law.
indeed...what's taking so long to set up a Tribunal and prosecute them
157 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:03:51am |
re: #154 Sharmuta
For Halloween I thought I'd go as a sociopath. They look like everyone else.
I'm going as the leader of the militant wing of the Salvation Army..
Don't you judge me!
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158 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:04:44am |
I vote we release all the prisoners at Gitmo. If someone will take them in a foreign land, they can fly there. If no one will take them, we can fly them back to their home country. Or maybe they can bunk with the people who vote to release them in this country.
159 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:05:28am |
re: #155 Decatur Deb
Is that some kind of soy thing you use to stretch "Pre-mortial Soup"?
Decatur Deb!
Good one!
160 | Frogmarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:06:39am |
re: #50 MandyManners
SNIP
Ciavarella faces criminal charges that accuse him of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks from owners of private detention centers in exchange for placing juvenile defendants at their facilities, often for minor crimes.
My heavens.
161 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:07:29am |
re: #158 Odahi
I vote we release all the prisoners at Gitmo. If someone will take them in a foreign land, they can fly there. If no one will take them, we can fly them back to their home country. Or maybe they can bunk with the people who vote to release them in this country.
Send them to Hollywood.. Plenty of space in the Star's home...Sean Penn could take in dozens...And Angela Jolie could stop adopting kids
162 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:07:55am |
re: #151 albusteve
I don't deny that we cannot turn the whole fight against terrorism into a criminal investigation. The problem is that the designation "enemy combatant" is itself not clearly defined in law. By nature, it does not require proof of the sort that would be required in criminal law. But if we are having a global war on terrorism, then any non-citizen accused of terrorism could essentially be convicted without due process. That is troubling.
The main point here is not that they should be treated as innocent, but rather than we shouldn't just call them and treat them like animals. Maybe a few did nothing wrong.
164 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:09:16am |
re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just send the GITMO peeps back to their home countries. I really don't care what happens then.
Their home countries refuse to accept them, in most cases.
165 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:09:44am |
re: #147 reine.de.tout
They may (not "shall") be tried - they have no right to a trial. Their only "right" is to be treated humanely while in custody.
These bastards are lucky to be alive, and they owe that to the good graces of the US armed forces and the US government, since they could have been captured and killed on the spot.
The reason for their continued detention is presumably to enhance the security interests of the US, and I assume that is why the POTUS is no longer in such a rush to close GITMO.
IMO.
166 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:09:59am |
re: #160 Frogmarch
My heavens.
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.
I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
167 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:11:08am |
The 29-year-old doctor wants an apology and a change in CareNow's policy.
good grief...one drip at a time
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
168 | lurking faith Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:11:45am |
re: #157 HoosierHoops
I'm going as the leader of the militant wing of the Salvation Army..
Don't you judge me!
/
Or you could go as a Reading Is Fundamentalist.
169 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:12:43am |
re: #153 reine.de.tout
Notice that an unlawful combatant has
engagedbeen accused of engaging in in armed conflict in violation of International Humanitarian Law.It often sems to be forgotten (and very rarely ever mentioned) that an unlawful combatant has violated international law.
170 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:13:32am |
re: #169 philosophus invidius
sorry, meant to remove the block quote.
171 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:13:37am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
In my mind as well.
172 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:17:08am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
sounds like Murtha and his House cronies under investigation
173 | mich-again Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:18:21am |
And right on queue the family of the Detroit Imam who got in a gunfight with the FBI and was killed is calling for an investigation into the circumstances surrounding his death. Who could have seen that coming? Islamic leader's family urges investigation into his death - He was shot 18 times, they say
As Muslims prepare for a funeral today in Detroit for Islamic leader Luqman Ameen Abdullah, his family and a coalition of Muslim organizations are calling for an independent investigation into his death in a reported shootout with FBI agents in Dearborn.
Yada yada disproportionate response yada.. This is my favorite part of the story. They handcuffed him after shooting him 18 times (allegedly) and were more worried about trying to save the FBI dog than the Imam.
Omar Regan, 34, one of Abdullah's sons, said his family was told by authorities that after he was shot 18 times, Abdullah was handcuffed and placed on a stretcher. He complained that the FBI airlifted a police dog that had been shot while no medical helicopter was brought in for his father.
174 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:18:25am |
Happy Halloween everyone!
The boogeyman's gonna get ya! Boogeyman, boogeyman!
175 | lurking faith Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:18:32am |
Did I miss the poetry portion of the thread?
i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear; and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it's you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is youhere is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that's keeping the stars aparti carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)
176 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:19:02am |
It's that time of year again...
Time for the 5th annual Denver Gorilla Run.
This year they are expecting over 1000! A new world record.
177 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:19:40am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
Good grief!
I'm glad to see he's facing criminal charges in that, I hope they throw the book at him.I worked for a government agency, and in my mind - for a public employee - there are very few things more heinous than violating the public trust in any way, and particularly in a way where one uses his/her public position to enrich himself or his friends.
Morning.
There was a TV series episode based on this not too long ago. One of the more popular detective/legal shows. However this type of thing does make me question the competence of many many many people in the city government assuming they had nothing to do with the scheme.
178 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:19:50am |
re: #162 philosophus invidius
I don't deny that we cannot turn the whole fight against terrorism into a criminal investigation. The problem is that the designation "enemy combatant" is itself not clearly defined in law. By nature, it does not require proof of the sort that would be required in criminal law. But if we are having a global war on terrorism, then any non-citizen accused of terrorism could essentially be convicted without due process. That is troubling.
The main point here is not that they should be treated as innocent, but rather than we shouldn't just call them and treat them like animals. Maybe a few did nothing wrong.
it's an old argument I don't want to rehash...if they stay right where they are for another twenty five years, I'll be satisfied
179 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:20:39am |
re: #176 FrogMarch
It's that time of year again...
Time for the 5th annual Denver Gorilla Run.
This year they are expecting over 1000! A new world record.
It would not surprise me if Walter were in that race...
Walter...Have you dug out of the snow yet?
180 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:22:32am |
re: #178 albusteve
Sometimes old arguments are good ones. I think you can see the force of the argument without having to say that gitmo prisoners are entitled to all the same rights as one would have in a civil court.
I also don't see what would be so bad about treating the ones caught in Afghanistan as POWs. When the Taliban surrenders, then they can go home.
181 | lawhawk Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:22:36am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The weather here is overcast and gray, with drizzle putting a damper on my plans to go out and move leaves around. That will have to wait until tomorrow... maybe.
But as drab as things are here, they don't compare to the situation in Yemen. The US State Department has had to intervene in a sticky situation there.
Rising anti-Semitism has threatened the last remnants of the once thriving Jewish population. The State Department is helping relocate those last Jews to the US and Israel.
There are only about 350 Yemeni Jews living in Yemen. There were once hundreds of thousands. Most resettled to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet following Israel's independence because of pogroms and riots that killed dozens of Yemeni Jews.
Now, the last remnants are getting out of the country.
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
182 | mich-again Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:22:54am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
183 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:23:33am |
re: #173 mich-again
the feds got one right...they have priorities and they followed them
184 | lurking faith Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:23:52am |
And here's a holiday poem.
If you are superstitious you'll never step on cracks.
When you see a ladder you will never walk beneath it.
And if you ever spill some salt you'll thrown some 'cross your back,
And carry' round a rabbit's foot just in case you need it.
You'll pick up any pin that you find lying on the ground,
And never, never, ever throw your hat upon the bed,
Or open an umbrella when you are in the house.
You'll bite your tongue each time you say
A thing you shouldn't have said.
You'll hold your breath and cross your fingers
Walkin' by a graveyard,
And number thirteen's never gonna do you any good.
Black cats will all look vicious, if you're superstitious,
But I'm not superstitious (knock on wood).-Shel Silverstein
185 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:25:48am |
re: #180 philosophus invidius
Sometimes old arguments are good ones. I think you can see the force of the argument without having to say that gitmo prisoners are entitled to all the same rights as one would have in a civil court.
I also don't see what would be so bad about treating the ones caught in Afghanistan as POWs. When the Taliban surrenders, then they can go home.
better enlarge Gitmo then...the Taliban will never surrender, but I could live with that idea
186 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:25:56am |
re: #176 FrogMarch
It's that time of year again...
Time for the 5th annual Denver Gorilla Run.
This year they are expecting over 1000! A new world record.
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
187 | Ojoe Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:26:07am |
re: #181 lawhawk
I'm glad they are getting out. May they find great happiness in their new homes.
***
Dawn breaks on the burnt-over San Gabriel Mountains of California. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
***
Good morning all.
188 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:27:34am |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
It would not surprise me if Walter were in that race...
Walter...Have you dug out of the snow yet?
I think Walter works at the theater on weekends? I hope he's not stuck somewhere. Actually - we had a lot of nice melting yesterday with the warm chinook winds.
I'm heading down later to watch. My guy is in it.
189 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:27:57am |
re: #169 philosophus invidius
accused of, absolutely correct.
Wasn't there a process set up to deal with the Gitmo detainees?
Whatever happened to that?
190 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:28:11am |
re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
those jolly, fun loving Americans...dissing gorillas like that
191 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:29:07am |
re: #182 mich-again
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
That's on that judge's conscience, then. And I hope it haunts him
192 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:29:08am |
re: #189 reine.de.tout
accused of, absolutely correct.
Wasn't there a process set up to deal with the Gitmo detainees?
Whatever happened to that?
BO has a better solution...he just hasn't thought of it yet
193 | Ojoe Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:29:25am |
re: #185 albusteve
They can die there of old age; they will be political footballs all the while courtesy of the immature political squabblers in the USA.
194 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:29:35am |
re: #192 albusteve
BO has a better solution...he just hasn't thought of it yet
my point exactly . . .
195 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:29:44am |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
It would not surprise me if Walter were in that race...
Walter...Have you dug out of the snow yet?
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
196 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:30:32am |
Ron Paul's frightening Halloween Tale- For Patriots
Rep. Ron Paul, the 11-term Republican congressman from Texas, who mobilized millions of supporters and about $35 million for his unsuccessful presidential run last year, has added the federal government's faltering flu immunization program to his list of things worthy of denunciation.
A medical doctor himself, Paul, who at 74 is older even than John McCain, sees the Obama administration's oft-delayed H1Ni1 swine flu immunization plan as typical of many government-run programs -- poorly planned, overloaded, inefficient, too expensive, late and quite possibly not even necessary.
Just another government grab for more federal power, as he puts it in a video (see it just below here), newly-posted for supporters by his Campaign for Liberty. Paul calls this year's vaccine distribution "a total failure" because some 120 million doses were to have been available by mid-October and only about 10% of that were.
Paul says reports of 1,000 U.S. deaths from the H1N1 may be true but...
...come from the same federal government running the vaccine program and remain unverified.
Booga booga!
197 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:31:02am |
re: #190 albusteve
those jolly, fun loving Americans...dissing gorillas like that
I have to admit I was kind of upset when I checked out the link - I thought it would be real gorillas in a race before I saw the pictures.
198 | lurking faith Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:31:32am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
And here I thought it was just an excuse for a party.
199 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:31:43am |
re: #177 Naso Tang
Morning.
There was a TV series episode based on this not too long ago. One of the more popular detective/legal shows. However this type of thing does make me question the competence of many many many people in the city government assuming they had nothing to do with the scheme.
There are usually some sort of signs that a person is behaving dishonorably and in this case, criminally. Sometimes they are so subtle it's hard to pick up on; but they're there.
200 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:31:59am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
Kind of like theater?
201 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:32:22am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
so what are you going as this year?...a scaly old curmudgeon?
202 | Spare O'Lake Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:32:53am |
re: #181 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The weather here is overcast and gray, with drizzle putting a damper on my plans to go out and move leaves around. That will have to wait until tomorrow... maybe.
But as drab as things are here, they don't compare to the situation in Yemen. The US State Department has had to intervene in a sticky situation there.
Rising anti-Semitism has threatened the last remnants of the once thriving Jewish population. The State Department is helping relocate those last Jews to the US and Israel.
There are only about 350 Yemeni Jews living in Yemen. There were once hundreds of thousands. Most resettled to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet following Israel's independence because of pogroms and riots that killed dozens of Yemeni Jews.
Now, the last remnants are getting out of the country.
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
These disgusting anti-Semitic genocidal situations are the proof of the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish State and the non-negotiable need to preserve it as a homeland for the Jewish people.
203 | mich-again Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:33:09am |
re: #191 reine.de.tout
My question is where was the oversight? How could this go on for so long without someone stepping in? Its not just the two crooked judges who are at fault, but their superiors' fault as well for letting this BS go on for so long. People above them in the hierarchy should be removed from their office as well for their gross incompetence.
204 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:33:10am |
re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's just - I don't know what to say. I though the high heel race in DC (transvestites in high heels running, a couple of days before Halloween) was pretty unique, but that's pretty interesting. Love the photo of the dogs in gorilla costumes.
It's for charity. I like the idea of mixing teh crazy with the charity.
205 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:33:30am |
re: #196 Sharmuta
Ron Paul's frightening Halloween Tale- For Patriots
Booga booga!
"Things Worthy of Denunciation". There has to be a Lizard use for that
phrase.
206 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:34:35am |
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
207 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #195 Walter L. Newton
I think Halloween (as celebrated by adults) is a pretentious holiday which seems to serve the overly vain need that a lot of people have now a days to scream "look at me."
Jeez Walter.. Glad to see you are ok...
You actors get to pretend to be someone else every night.. We vain people only get to pretend once a year...
*wink*
208 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:36:19am |
re: #206 Conservative Moonbat
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Sounds like the religious right bullied him some more.
209 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:37:03am |
re: #206 Conservative Moonbat
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said Friday that a victory by Doug Hoffman, the third-party candidate in the Nov. 3 New York special election, is a win for the GOP.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Flying a Zero into a carrier is a win for Mitsubishi?
210 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:37:45am |
re: #208 Sharmuta
Sounds like the religious right bullied him some more.
I'm just getting a kick out out of the "If the GOP candidate loses, it's a win for the GOP" illogic.
211 | mich-again Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:38:37am |
re: #206 Conservative Moonbat
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
Now there is a fine example of pretzel logic.
212 | lawhawk Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:39:24am |
re: #208 Sharmuta
Explain then George Pataki's support for Hoffman? Pataki was a weak-kneed GOPer who is in part responsible for the demise of the GOP in the state (wait, maybe that is the reason that he's now supporting Hoffman?).
Pataki must be reading tea-leaves, as is Steele and all the rest who don't want NY-23 to go to the Democrats because of an internecine fight between GOPers and conservatives, even if Hoffman isn't a resident of the district he's hoping to represent.
213 | Ojoe Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:42:06am |
re: #210 Conservative Moonbat
Man I'm tempted to post the Whig party info after reading that.
214 | Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:44:54am |
The new bar I went to last night would have made Michael Jackson happy. And I mean the late beer guru, not the late pop star. They have 55 draught beers, 5 of them in casks, and a menu with 500 bottles. I'm glad we got there early and found a table because by around 6:30 it was wall to wall people. There were people lining up outside to get in when we left.
Good times, and I got to hang out with a beer geek friend who's heading out of town next week.
215 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:45:37am |
re: #212 lawhawk
Interestingly enough, I was just looking at this article:
Third party challenges in NJ, NY are warning sign
But the impact of those candidacies on the high-profile contests points to an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment sentiment that could be a prevailing theme in the 2010 congressional elections and beyond.
"What it says is the public is looking for less self-interested parties and candidates who can reflect the needs of a very frustrated public," said Douglas Astolfi, a history professor at Florida's St. Leo University. "We have two wars and we're in a recession that neither party seems to address in any positive way. There's a deep sense that government has abandoned the common man. People are frustrated and angry."
I think this is part of the process of cleaning house, and in a few election cycles, we'll hopefully see an improved GOP.
216 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:47:51am |
re: #181 lawhawk
...
Think about that a moment. A population of 350 Jews can't survive in a Islamic country where Muslims outnumber Jews by more than 23 million. Where's the tolerance we hear so much about there?
Tragically, it seems tolerance is a one way street.
217 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:48:41am |
Palin says 'not now' to Iowa invite
An Iowa social conservative group said Friday that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin declined its invitation to headline a fall fundraiser in Iowa next month, but noted the Republican's desire to address members another time.
Palin, mentioned as a potential 2012 presidential prospect, turned down the offer to make what would be her first appearance since last year's election in the leadoff presidential caucus state, citing her long-planned national tour to promote her memoir.
"We extended our invitation knowing she would be in the middle of her book tour and the chances of her being able to accept any invitations were extremely slim," policy center spokesman Bryan English said in a news release.
That was not the optimistic tone the group's chairman, former state Rep. Danny Carroll, expressed on Wednesday. Carroll said he thought Palin would accept and that only a few details needed to be worked out before she could be confirmed.
In the meantime, some Iowa Republican activists had complained the policy center and a pro-Palin group based in Washington, D.C. were raising money for her to attend the fundraiser.
Hmm.
218 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #143 philosophus invidius
Not everyoneNo one at GITMO has been convicted of a crime.
But that's the problem.
GITMO has 1) people who are innocent 2) people who may be guilty, may be innocent, and 3) people who are definitely guilty.
The massive fuckup and the reason why they've been held for years without trial, and the reason why it is such a civil liberties and judicial nightmare is because the evidence gathering and the prosecution were so completely bungled. That's why all these people have been held in limbo for years without charge or trial.
The Obama admin is trying to introduce a new system, whereby dangerous detainees can be held even without conviction or beyond the term assignedl. That's to cover the GITMO detainees that are in that third category (definitely guilty), but can't be successfully prosecuted.
I'm a bit distracted at the moment but can give links later.
219 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:51:36am |
re: #215 Sharmuta
Interestingly enough, I was just looking at this article:
Third party challenges in NJ, NY are warning sign
I think this is part of the process of cleaning house, and in a few election cycles, we'll hopefully see an improved GOP.
I don't clean my house with gasoline and railroad flares.
220 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:52:54am |
re: #217 Sharmuta
Palin says 'not now' to Iowa invite
In the meantime, some Iowa Republican activists had complained the policy center and a pro-Palin group based in Washington, D.C. were raising money for her to attend the fundraiser.
A conservative Iowa group’s effort to lure Sarah Palin to its banquet next month has had an unintended effect: Rather than exciting conservatives about the prospect of a visit from the former Alaska governor, the group’s plan to raise a six-figure sum to bring her to the state has GOP activists recoiling at the thought of paying to land a politician's speaking appearance.
The Iowa Family Policy Center’s effort to cobble together $100,000 for Palin would represent a striking departure from customary practice in the first-in-the-nation state, these Republicans say, noting that a generation of White House hopefuls has paid their own way to boost their party and presidential ambitions.
Seems a little like astroturfing.
221 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:53:43am |
re: #219 Decatur Deb
I don't clean my house with gasoline and railroad flares.
To tell the truth- I think we should make an exception this time...
222 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:53:59am |
re: #203 mich-again
My question is where was the oversight? How could this go on for so long without someone stepping in? Its not just the two crooked judges who are at fault, but their superiors' fault as well for letting this BS go on for so long. People above them in the hierarchy should be removed from their office as well for their gross incompetence.
agreed!
223 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:54:09am |
re: #219 Decatur Deb
I don't clean my house with gasoline and railroad flares.
Consider it a bug bomb, maybe. :)
224 | mich-again Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:56:13am |
Massive yard raking task awaits me. ugh. Well, a journey of 1,000 miles begins with the first step so I better get moving.
225 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:56:36am |
re: #167 albusteve
The 29-year-old doctor wants an apology and a change in CareNow's policy.
good grief...one drip at a time
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Would they forbid a Jewish man to wear a yamulke? A Sikh a turban?
226 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:56:37am |
re: #216 FrogMarch
...
Tragically, it seems tolerance is a one way street.
Iran had the smarts to showcase its Jews being good little dhimmis.
227 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:57:43am |
re: #207 HoosierHoops
Jeez Walter.. Glad to see you are ok...
You actors get to pretend to be someone else every night.. We vain people only get to pretend once a year...
*wink*
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
228 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:58:08am |
re: #182 mich-again
IIRC, one of the youths who was sentenced to one of those privately run detention centers by the crooked judge for some very minor crime committed suicide.
Many committed VERY minor crimes.
229 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #225 MandyManners
Would they forbid a Jewish man to wear a yamulke? A Sikh a turban?
If there were unlimited petro-billions behind the lobbying effort, as well as a threat of violence hovering in the background, possibly not.
230 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:00:43am |
re: #225 MandyManners
Would they forbid a Jewish man to wear a yamulke? A Sikh a turban?
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
231 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:00:54am |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
Addendum to my statement above : Drunk DRIVING adults. Maybe arrested early in the evening, when children are trick and treating ont he streets, some with kids in their car.
I can do without that.
232 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:00:54am |
re: #210 Conservative Moonbat
I'm just getting a kick out out of the "If the GOP candidate loses, it's a win for the GOP" illogic.
LOL. Don't you know how progressive and liberal blogs have always mocked that spin for two years now? For years, every repub defeat was spun as 'this is bad news for Dems!" Concern trolling the Dems was (and is) rampant. Here's an example of when it became a mockery meme:
"This is great news...for McCain!"
"This will benefit the GOP!"
233 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:01:23am |
Not exactly a Halloween song, but I hope it'll do.
There ain't no rest for the wicked
Money don't grow on trees
I got bills to pay; I got mouths to feed
There ain't nothing in this life for free
I can't slow down; I can't hold back
Although you know I wish I could
There ain't no rest for the wicked
Til we close our eyes for good
234 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
Why is that so hard for some people to understand.
235 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:02:08am |
re: #196 Sharmuta
Paul says reports of 1,000 U.S. deaths from the H1N1 may be true but...
...come from the same federal government running the vaccine program and remain unverified.
As a member of that same government, wouldn't it be Paul's job to verify the information?
But wait - since Paul's part of the Federal government, how can we trust him? Has everything he says been verified?
My head hurts.
236 | philosophus invidius Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:02:13am |
re: #218 iceweasel
Yes. I think the "enemy combatant" is a useful category. But GWB has stripped it of all credibility.
237 | Stanghazi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:03:09am |
Apologize if it's been posted, but Dede Scozzafava just dropped out of the race.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
238 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:03:45am |
re: #235 SixDegrees
As a member of that same government, wouldn't it be Paul's job to verify the information?
But wait - since Paul's part of the Federal government, how can we trust him? Has everything he says been verified?
My head hurts.
Add two more layers of tin foil and call back tomorrow.
239 | FrogMarch Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:03:52am |
re: #226 The Sanity Inspector
Iran had the smarts to showcase its Jews being good little dhimmis.
"The 40 Iranians landed in Israel on Tuesday after a secret journey to the Jewish state. No details about their route of exit from Iran were given, but it was assumed they came through a third country."
So the 40 Jews cannot travel openly. but they are safe!
*ok*.
"Yehiel Eckstein, a rabbi who founded the fellowship, said each immigrant receives $10,000 from the group to help get them started in Israel. He has warned that the situation facing Iranian Jews is critical, because of the attitude of Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map.""
"Though Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Iranian citizens are not legally authorized to travel to the Jewish state, Morsathegh insisted Jews in Iran are not in danger."
*ok*
240 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:04:56am |
re: #213 Ojoe
Man I'm tempted to post the Whig party info after reading that.
Whig party? What's that?
/
241 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:05:08am |
re: #237 Stanley Sea
Apologize if it's been posted, but Dede Scozzafava just dropped out of the race.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
The bullies will be so happy they managed to push her out.
242 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:05:09am |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
Answering my own question, now that I've thought about it. It is different, in that in the Home Depot incident, there was no religious requirement that the guy wear the pin; whereas in this case, the headscarf is a requirement of her religious beliefs.
I wonder why they have a "no headgear" requirement at this place?
243 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:05:13am |
re: #229 The Sanity Inspector
If there were unlimited petro-billions behind the lobbying effort, as well as a threat of violence hovering in the background, possibly not.
I don't see it that way. I see it as a First Amendment issue.
244 | A Man for all Seasons Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:05:23am |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
Fine, but we had 417 drunk "only get to pretend once a year" adults arrested last halloween... that's a problem in my mind.
I hear ya bro..
In Indiana if you are a convicted sex offender you must go to a meeting from 6 to 9pm tonight...I really like that idea...The streets are safer and if they don't go to the meeting they go to jail...
I think it should be a national policy
245 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:06:12am |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Or, would they refuse to hire them in the first place (which seems to be what happened here - no hire unless she complies with the dress code).
Is this a similar case to the Home Depot incident with the guy wanting to wear a pin in violation of the employer's dress code?
If an employer has a dress code that an employee (or potential employee) does not want to or cannot comply with, then I think the person should seek employment elsewhere. Or, comply with the dress code.
I can't find the link right now but, he was fired for refusing to come into work for six days.
246 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:06:43am |
Breaking: Scozzafava Drops Out of NY-23 Race
Dede Scozzafava (R) announced "that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters," the Watertown Daily Times reports.
However, she has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens (D)
247 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:06:51am |
re: #236 philosophus invidius
Yes. I think the "enemy combatant" is a useful category. But GWB has stripped it of all credibility.
GWB isn't President.
Perhaps the current President should do something to restore credibility.
248 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:07:04am |
re: #237 Stanley Sea
Apologize if it's been posted, but Dede Scozzafava just dropped out of the race.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Fuck.
249 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:07:49am |
re: #237 Stanley Sea
Apologize if it's been posted, but Dede Scozzafava just dropped out of the race.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Well, fuck.
252 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:08:32am |
re: #245 MandyManners
I can't find the link right now but, he was fired for refusing to come into work for six days.
I sort of thought through it a bit more - and there is a difference, anyhow, in the cases.
In one case - there was no religious requirement to wear the pin, it was just the guy's personal desire to wear it.
In the other case - although headcovering is NOT required in Islam, it seems to be standard practice to use the headcovering, so a case could be made that this is a requirement of her faith.
254 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:09:54am |
This might be why Scozzafava dropped out
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Today's hotly anticipated Siena poll confirms the race for the seat vacated by former Rep. John McHugh in NY-23 has become a too-close-to-call fight between Democratic nominee Bill Owens and Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman, who are tied at 36-35.
The Republicans' pick, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, who started out as the frontrunner, is now at 20 percent. Nine percent of voters remain undecided.
255 | SixDegrees Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:09:57am |
256 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:10:08am |
re: #252 reine.de.tout
I sort of thought through it a bit more - and there is a difference, anyhow, in the cases.
In one case - there was no religious requirement to wear the pin, it was just the guy's personal desire to wear it.
In the other case - although headcovering is NOT required in Islam, it seems to be standard practice to use the headcovering, so a case could be made that this is a requirement of her faith.
Precisely.
257 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:10:14am |
After how she's been treated, I hope she does throw her support to Owens.
258 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:11:04am |
re: #257 Conservative Moonbat
After how she's been treated, I hope she does throw her support to Owens.
I would vote for Owens over some no-name with a weirdo party behind him.
260 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:11:18am |
261 | Ojoe Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:11:35am |
re: #257 Conservative Moonbat
After how she's been treated, I hope she does throw her support to Owens. joins the Modern Whigs.
262 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:11:53am |
re: #246 Conservative Moonbat
Breaking: Scozzafava Drops Out of NY-23 Race
Dede Scozzafava (R) announced "that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters," the Watertown Daily Times reports.
However, she has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens (D)
Wow. Is this an effort by the sane part of the GOP to say Fuck Hoffman, we'd rather vote Dem than vote for him (and legitimise the teaparty folks)?
I ask because Scozzafava wasn't unconservative, (for NYS); she was challenged by someone who is merely a theocrat/so-con puppet...and NY-23 isn't lib by any means. even the Dems there aren't lib. Weird.
263 | Stanghazi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:12:15am |
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
265 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:13:20am |
re: #257 Conservative Moonbat
After how she's been treated, I hope she does throw her support to Owens.
People in NY-23 who were for her and not Hoffman are going to throw their support to Owens for the most part.
267 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:13:34am |
re: #263 Stanley Sea
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
They have a chance to speak out on election day. I wouldn't vote for hoffman if they paid me.
269 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #262 iceweasel
Scozzafava wasn't unconservative
Just curious, but hat "conservative" positions did she espouse?
271 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:14:52am |
re: #266 Stanley Sea
Don't you have a link or something?
It might be my shift.
The Modern Whig Party.
272 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:14:54am |
I guess Steele's remark about a Hoffman win being a win for the Republicans was the last straw for her.
273 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:15:18am |
274 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:15:56am |
re: #272 Conservative Moonbat
I guess Steele's remark about a Hoffman win being a win for the Republicans was the last straw for her.
Or Steele knew she was going to drop out, or asked her to drop out, etc.
275 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:16:02am |
re: #272 Conservative Moonbat
I guess Steele's remark about a Hoffman win being a win for the Republicans was the last straw for her.
Possibly, but this wasn't a good picture.
276 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:16:51am |
re: #263 Stanley Sea
It's just crazy. Hoffman is a pawn. I have not read one thing that shows he has any capabilities for this position. I wonder if the actual residents of NY23 are going to speak out on how their representative election was hijacked. Damn.
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.
The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
277 | John Neverbend Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:17:32am |
I see that the Honduran government has decided to allow Zelaya back into office. Presumably they are hoping that he won't be able to do much damage before the elections on November 29. Apparently the US had warned that if the elections were held under the interim government, they wouldn't recognize them. I'm surprised that Micheletti didn't tell them to mind their own business.
278 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:17:40am |
re: #241 Sharmuta
The bullies will be so happy they managed to push her out.
It's a blood sport. Now let's see if the "pure" conservative candidate can poll over 20%.
279 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:18:28am |
re: #269 sattv4u2
Scozzafava wasn't unconservative
Just curious, but hat "conservative" positions did she espouse?
Look at the district and the office holders in it historically.
Hoffman is the freak.
280 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:19:18am |
The northeastern liberal Republican is now an extinct species.
281 | Stanghazi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:19:37am |
re: #276 iceweasel
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
I gotcha. I was emotiontyping.
282 | Political Atheist Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:20:02am |
re: #280 Conservative Moonbat
The may be left coasters now. California Republicans?
283 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:20:04am |
re: #242 reine.de.tout
Answering my own question, now that I've thought about it. It is different, in that in the Home Depot incident, there was no religious requirement that the guy wear the pin; whereas in this case, the headscarf is a requirement of her religious beliefs.
I wonder why they have a "no headgear" requirement at this place?
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
284 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:20:42am |
re: #276 iceweasel
What's been hijacked is the process-
Not really. There was no "primary" for the republican electorate to make the choice
I'm not saying they would have chosen Hoffman over Sozzaforra, just that they didn't have the opportunity
285 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:21:03am |
re: #278 The Sanity Inspector
It's a blood sport. Now let's see if the "pure" conservative candidate can poll over 20%.
That didn't answer my question
286 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:21:11am |
re: #276 iceweasel
The election hasnt been hijacked.
What's been hijacked is the process-- the state-level and national level GOP intervened and forced a non-local 'conservative' candidate, over-riding what the locals wanted.The dem candidates that run in that district arent far from the repubs. I suggest people talk to people who live there or who have lived there.
Hoffman was the outlier, in terms of representing what the district thinks-- not Owens.
Sort of like Obama did when he endorsed Bennet in Colorado, a person who is completely clueless, and even local Dems want him gone.
Birds of a feather.
287 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:21:21am |
re: #280 Conservative Moonbat
The northeastern liberal Republican is now an extinct species.
The RINO! population is as strong as ever- they've just been asked to leave the reservation.
288 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:21:52am |
I have no problem with Gitmo "detainees" being tried under the military court-martial system. If it's good enough for our soldiers, it's good enough for them. Apparently, "military tribunals" are looked down upon in some circles, though, so now the detainees can rot in jail. If anyone has a better idea, I'll be glad to hear it. I'm not overly concerned either way. What's the latest figure on weight gain among these "political prisoners?" Last I heard they averaged 25 pounds heavier than when they were captured. Torture, my scrawny white butt.
289 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:22:05am |
re: #286 Walter L. Newton
Sort of like Obama did when he endorsed Bennet in Colorado, a person who is completely clueless, and even local Dems want him gone.
Birds of a feather.
Morning Walter
Find your car and the road yesterday?
290 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:22:16am |
291 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:22:52am |
292 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:23:22am |
Obama's assessment came a day after an independent federal board reported that nearly 650,000 direct jobs have been saved or created because of stimulus program money provided to businesses, contractors, state and local governments, nonprofit groups and universities.
350,000 more jobs saved OVERNIGHT!....if that's not an economy picking up steam, I don't know what is...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
293 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:23:34am |
re: #283 Naso Tang
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
294 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:23:38am |
295 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #284 sattv4u2
What's been hijacked is the process-
Not really. There was no "primary" for the republican electorate to make the choice
I'm not saying they would have chosen Hoffman overSozzaforraScozzafava, just that they didn't have the opportunity
pimf ,, AGAIN !!
296 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:23:58am |
re: #285 sattv4u2
That didn't answer my question
Didn't realize you were talking to me What's your question?
297 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:24:50am |
re: #288 Odahi
I have no problem with Gitmo "detainees" being tried under the military court-martial system. If it's good enough for our soldiers, it's good enough for them. Apparently, "military tribunals" are looked down upon in some circles, though, so now the detainees can rot in jail. If anyone has a better idea, I'll be glad to hear it. I'm not overly concerned either way. What's the latest figure on weight gain among these "political prisoners?" Last I heard they averaged 25 pounds heavier than when they were captured. Torture, my scrawny white butt.
If by "some circles" you mean the Supreme Court.
298 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:25:54am |
re: #290 The Sanity Inspector
How so?
It's the government allowing a company to discriminate on the basis of religion.
299 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:26:16am |
re: #279 iceweasel
Look at the district and the office holders in it historically.
Hoffman is the freak.
That didn't answer my question (#269)
300 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:26:45am |
re: #294 Walter L. Newton
There you are! I was worried about you yesterday and last night. How did the driving go?
301 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:26:56am |
re: #297 Conservative Moonbat
If by "some circles" you mean the Supreme Court.
the SC is hardly always right...they are not infallible
302 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:27:00am |
re: #296 The Sanity Inspector
Didn't realize you were talking to me What's your question?
misdirected ,,, question was for ice's 279
Damn ,, I'm having a tough PIMF morning!
303 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:27:59am |
re: #301 albusteve
the SC is hardly always right...they are not infallible
Maybe, but their word is law.
304 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:29:05am |
305 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:29:34am |
re: #300 MandyManners
There you are! I was worried about you yesterday and last night. How did the driving go?
Fine, the roads were quite clear. The weather service snow total for our town up here was was 34 inches, the local weather guru on Channel Nine said 43. Either way, a lot of snow.
306 | kilroy Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:29:54am |
Seems like Sarah's original endorsement in NY 23rd proved to have some positive impact for the candidate she favors. 2010 will be an interesting election cycle.
307 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:30:06am |
re: #293 MandyManners
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
My point was, do their holy books specify the clothing, or are these unwritten traditions?
Sure, a priest can have a uniform because it is a genuine mark of leadership position in a particular organization, but for the most part I contend that these are labels making sure that people, when in a multicultural society, see that they consider themselves different and, in many ways, apart.
308 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:30:16am |
re: #286 Walter L. Newton
Sort of like Obama did when he endorsed Bennet in Colorado, a person who is completely clueless, and even local Dems want him gone.
Birds of a feather.
That isn't at all what happened in NY-23.
NY-23 had an incumbant who was also the choice on the local level by the GOP. The state wide GOP and the national level decided to overide that and run a so-con alternative, who doesnt even live in the district, and has no record whatsoever.
Make no mistake, this was an attempt at seeing how the new GOP strategy of pandering to the crazy teapartying nirther populist 'base' would work.
I think the sane GOP called their bluff. If you know that district at all--this move won't bring Hoffman votes.
309 | Political Atheist Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:30:45am |
re: #295 sattv4u2
A third party dynamic is nobody gets a majority. NY looks like this is unfolding as the Republicans shed members to indy.
311 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:31:49am |
re: #309 Rightwingconspirator
A third party dynamic is nobody gets a majority. NY looks like this is unfolding as the Republicans shed members to indy.
The word on the street is Hoffman already has a lot of the indies.
312 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:32:58am |
313 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:33:56am |
re: #311 Walter L. Newton
The
wordwoid on the street is Hoffman already has a lot of the indies.
I got the horse right here...
314 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:35:17am |
re: #283 Naso Tang
I don't think that head scarves or for that matter any specific dress code is a requirement of any religion. In the case of Islam and women the word is "modesty", but modesty is relative and when in the USA...
Bottom line is that most, if not all, religious dress custom is just wearing a uniform that says "look at me, I'm different from you", or in the case when everyone else does it, "look at me, I'm as pious as you".
There's an expression that says "wearing one's religion on one's sleeve", and it is not a compliment.
Well, what you've said there has been my experience.
There are Muslim women at the all-female fitness center that I belong to. There are a couple who wear the full Muslim headscarf even when working out in a room full of women, no man in sight. It's always been my feeling that those ladies were engaging in exactly what you're talking about.
315 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:36:20am |
re: #293 MandyManners
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
316 | Political Atheist Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:37:23am |
re: #311 Walter L. Newton
Thanks. My understanding of NY dynamics is foreshortened by spending my time watching California. And the thicker topics like Health care. Oh and that little AGW data thing :)
I went to NYC for a week each year for about 15 years. Manhattan may have only confused my grip on NY politics.
317 | reine.de.tout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:38:36am |
re: #293 MandyManners
The yamulke is not a requirement? The turban? What about nuns and their habits? Priests and their collars? One Christian denomination and dresses/skirts only? Menonities and their clothing?
I'm interested in knowing why this group has a dress code that includes "no headgear".
There may be health reasons for it.
Or, the requirement may be a stealth way around non-discrimination laws.
318 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:38:52am |
re: #278 The Sanity Inspector
It's a blood sport. Now let's see if the "pure" conservative candidate can poll over 20%.
Per Sharms chart above, he already has 35% (+/-)
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
319 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:39:41am |
re: #315 The Sanity Inspector
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
Muslim women have been brainwashed for eons...wonder if she was SA?...how ironic would that be
320 | Political Atheist Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:40:15am |
re: #317 reine.de.tout
Or, the requirement may be a stealth way around non-discrimination laws.
That's it. Health codes usually require the hair to be covered, like food prep. It a dog whistle policy
321 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:40:55am |
re: #315 The Sanity Inspector
Remember that one case in Florida a few years ago, where a Muslim woman refused to remove her veil to have her drivers license photo taken? It should be noted that we extend a level of religious freedom here that "they" would never dream of tolerating in their societies.
CAIR flouncer.
322 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:40:57am |
re: #306 kilroy
Seems like Sarah's original endorsement in NY 23rd proved to have some positive impact for the candidate she favors. 2010 will be an interesting election cycle.
Maybe some actual leaders for the conservative movement will emerge in this upheaval.
323 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:41:48am |
re: #308 iceweasel
I don't think we're watching the same race. Scozz ran a horrific campaign over the last couple of weeks, there was zero chance she was going to win. The only voters scozzafava had left were party loyalists, at worst they just won't come out for hoffman but they sure won't vote for Owens. When the party decided it wasn't going to pour money down the drain she didn't have any options, she was already dead last in the polling with no way to come out.
324 | razorbacker Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:42:11am |
I was sitting in my living room reading the newspaper last Tuesday evening (that alone tells you that I am in the tiniest of minorities) when the phone rang. A robocall from my Congressional Representative John Boozeman, wanting to know if I wanted to participate in a telephone town hall. Having nothing better to do, I remained on the line.
Seventy minutes later I hung up the phone in disgust, before my turn to spout my specific brand of nonsense.
Every freaking call was from some old fart or fartess (I'm well stricken with years myself) wanting to know how to get on this or that government teat or pleading for an increase in their current government check. Generally prefaced with a 'I appreciate how you're standing up to the big spenders in Warshintun'.
Not one single call from anyone raising youngsters. Not one call from anyone about job destruction. Not one call from anyone about federal encroachment on individual liberties. Not. One. Call.
No freaking wonder politicians pander to the lowest common demoninator in the body public. That's who they hear from. And I, by virtue of letting my disgust overpower my desire to comment, am an enabler.
I swear, by the time I'd listened to just over an hour of this pap, I wouldn't have bothered to spit on a senior citizen even had they been afire. A lifetime to prepare; decades to plan and accumulate assets and what did they want? Government cheese.
And this from the 'conservative Republican area' of the state!
325 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:42:12am |
re: #317 reine.de.tout
I'm interested in knowing why this group has a dress code that includes "no headgear".
There may be health reasons for it.
Or, the requirement may be a stealth way around non-discrimination laws.
if she's allowed her headgear, then my doc can wear his cool beanie propeller cap...or the one with the umbrella on top
326 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:43:02am |
Brother sent me this in an email...
10 Things That Sound Dirty On Halloween, But Arent...
1. So...What'd you get in the sack?
2. Once you get under the sheet, start moaning and groaning!!!
3. Just hop on that broomstick and ride it!
4. Those small suckers are gone in a few licks!
5. I got the best piece from that house.
6. Quit screwing around on the porch!!!
7. Stick your hand in and guess what you're feeling...
8. It was so filled and heavy, I had to use TWO hands!!
9. They'll suck you dry if they get their teeth in you.
10. I bobbed and bobbed, but couldn't get my mouth around it!
327 | wrenchwench Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:44:37am |
IMHO the Republican Party is caving to the Paulians because other than those freaks, they got nuthin'. NY23 is just another symptom of that. GOP.com is a bigger one.
328 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:44:48am |
So- I ask again- what IS the right answer? Does anyone in the CURRENT administration have a plan? Anyone? Bueller? Whatever you think of the method of their capture and continued imprisonment, what would you do? The Geneva Convention doesn't cover these guys. US law? Military justice? The Golden Rule? The modified Golden Rule (do unto them what they would do unto you)? What is the answer? The Bill of Rights does NOT apply to these guys, they aren't American citizens. Do we extend those rights to them, even though their own governments don't give them equivalent rights in their own country? What's the answer? I'm not being sarcastic here, but I'm tired of people complaining about the situation with no solution offered. If I'm truthful about it, I think "military tribunals" would more than fair in these cases. By rights, they could be shot on the battlefield at time of capture, as unlawful combatants. If they're in civilian clothes, NO uniform, firing toward our troops, that is a violation of the Geneva Convention. What's the solution?
329 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:45:14am |
re: #319 albusteve
She was a white chick. Seriously.
330 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:46:19am |
re: #325 albusteve
if she's allowed her headgear, then my doc can wear his cool beanie propeller cap...or the one with the umbrella on top
What's wrong with that?
That would be cool.
331 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:48:16am |
re: #325 albusteve
if she's allowed her headgear, then my doc can wear his cool beanie propeller cap...or the one with the umbrella on top
It would definitely help take the tension out of a prostate exam.
332 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:48:36am |
re: #330 Conservative Moonbat
What's wrong with that?
That would be cool.
then of course there is the red rubber nose, the floppy shoes, the funny nose and glasses riff...
333 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:49:37am |
Well now the SoCons will crow about their successful RINOcide in NY23.
Interesting irony here - these are the people who coined "Republican In Name Only" and established litmus tests for who is and isn't a real Republican. Then they go off an form a third party when it suits them. You know - as an act of party loyalty. the loyalty that they insist that Fiscal Conservatives show whenever a moronic Paleocon is running for dog catcher.
Their plan to save the GOP by destroying it is proceeding at a fine clip.
334 | kilroy Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:53:25am |
re: #328 Odahi
It appears to be what generates greater political capital for the administration. The current situation of considering a change seems to work fine. Same as the Afghan troops decision that's been under consideration for how long?
335 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:53:38am |
336 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:53:58am |
re: #330 Conservative Moonbat
What's wrong with that?
That would be cool.
Remember the days when women were burning their bras? Just thinking...
337 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:54:46am |
re: #336 Naso Tang
Remember the days when women were burning their bras? Just thinking...
No, before my time and I don't get the reference.
338 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:54:49am |
339 | Bloodnok Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:54:57am |
340 | Achilles Tang Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:55:42am |
re: #337 Conservative Moonbat
No, before my time and I don't get the reference.
Dress codes at Home Depot. Did you leave your imagination in bed this morning?
341 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:56:39am |
re: #337 Conservative Moonbat
No, before my time and I don't get the reference.
Bras are symbols of the patriarchal society, restricting our femininity. The Man says they're supportive, but really they just want to bind us in.
342 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:56:47am |
re: #333 karmic_inquisitor
Well now the SoCons will crow about their successful RINOcide in NY23.
Interesting irony here - these are the people who coined "Republican In Name Only" and established litmus tests for who is and isn't a real Republican. Then they go off an form a third party when it suits them. You know - as an act of party loyalty. the loyalty that they insist that Fiscal Conservatives show whenever a moronic Paleocon is running for dog catcher.
Their plan to save the GOP by destroying it is proceeding at a fine clip.
This bloc of voters has been turned off by the Republican Party longtime strategy of "talk conservative, vote liberal". I doubt there will be any serious exodus from the GOP though, since third parties rarely rise above fringe status in this country. If we had a parliamentary style government, then there'd be no end to the havoc they could cause.
343 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:56:53am |
re: #334 kilroy
It appears to be what generates greater political capital for the administration. The current situation of considering a change seems to work fine. Same as the Afghan troops decision that's been under consideration for how long?
if and when there is a change, it will be in the best interests of BO
344 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 8:59:42am |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Bras are symbols of the patriarchal society, restricting our femininity. The Man says they're supportive, but really they just want to bind us in.
I thought they were a cultural adaptation to bipedalism. I'll have to keep
abreast of the changes.
345 | gulfloafer Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:00:10am |
re: #295 sattv4u2
Hoffman is a small matter ... not inferring a Hoffman win would be inconsequential. It'll be an indicator in which to gauge public sentiment on the direction the country is heading. However, the real fight will begin to take shape in early 2010, particularly in Pa. If Tom Ridge throws his name into the hat during the primaries you'll have a ring side seat. Recall that Bush had to go into Pa, hat in hand, groveling for Arlen Specter. Need I mention the outcome? I think you'll see Toomey on the ticket next year.
346 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:00:16am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She was a white chick. Seriously.
You're right, I remember that now.
347 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:01:34am |
re: #339 Bloodnok
Good morning Lizards.
Cobwebs and Strange -The Who
HaHa! And it's even funnier with the video clip from The Kids Are Alright.
[Video]
348 | MandyManners Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:01:51am |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Bras are symbols of the patriarchal society, restricting our femininity. The Man says they're supportive, but really they just want to bind us in.
FREE THE TA-TA's!
349 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:03:08am |
350 | Stanghazi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:03:48am |
re: #348 MandyManners
FREE THE TA-TA's!
Reminds me of the sign seen at the Breast Cancer 3-Day walk a couple of years ago:
Stop the war in my rack!
351 | Bloodnok Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:04:34am |
re: #348 MandyManners
FREE THE TA-TA's!
This is what I've been saying for so many years. Yet I get drinks in the face for even suggesting it.
352 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:05:05am |
re: #350 Stanley Sea
Reminds me of the sign seen at the Breast Cancer 3-Day walk a couple of years ago:
Stop the war in my rack!
I hear there's quite some cleavage between the two sides in that war.
353 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:05:24am |
354 | kilroy Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:05:43am |
re: #343 albusteve
It seems that as long as there is hope there's no need for change. It will be interesting to see just how long BO supporters are willing to hope.
355 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:06:10am |
356 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:06:49am |
re: #348 MandyManners
FREE THE TA-TA's!
Take it one step further and burn your panties too!
Why should it be just men who are commandos? ;p
357 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:06:54am |
358 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:07:32am |
I think the fate of the ta-ta's should be taken firmly in hand.
359 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:07:54am |
re: #357 Decatur Deb
Udderly ridiculous.
This is a brazen attempt to get one more pun out of the subject.
360 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:08:16am |
re: #348 MandyManners
FREE THE TA-TA's!
Speaking of which... last day of Breast Cancer Awareness month.
Save the TA-TAs!
me like-um tatas.
361 | jaunte Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:08:44am |
re: #358 Odahi
I understand that in India they're very fuel-efficient.
362 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:09:16am |
Ed Morrisey praising Ron Paul Ron Paul this morning. Ugh.
363 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:09:34am |
re: #346 The Sanity Inspector
Trailer trash Muslims.
364 | RogueOne Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:09:42am |
They look great in whigs!
[Link: www.modernwhig.org...]
/amidoinitrite?
365 | Gus Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:10:08am |
re: #356 Sharmuta
Take it one step further and burn your panties too!
Why should it be just men who are commandos? ;p
JERRY - Don't you see what's goin' on here??? .. No boxers, no Jockeys..
ELAINE - Eeaawww...
JERRY - The only thing between him and us is a thin layer of gabardine..
JERRY - Kramer, say it isn't so.
KRAMER - Oh, it be so. I'm out there, Jerry, an' I'm lllovin' every minute of it!!!
[Link: www.seinfeldscripts.com...]
366 | Decatur Deb Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:10:33am |
re: #361 jaunte
I understand that in India they're very fuel-efficient.
Tata bought LandRover for a sarong.
367 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:10:34am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Ed Morrisey praising Ron Paul Ron Paul this morning. Ugh.
Uh... RON PAUL! is the proper nomenclature.
Regards, Just Sayin'
368 | sattv4u2 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:11:02am |
re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Speaking of which... last day of Breast Cancer Awareness month.
Save the TA-TAs!me like-um tatas.
What a boob!
369 | Stuart Leviton Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:11:39am |
re: #307 Naso Tang
My point was, do their holy books specify the clothing, or are these unwritten traditions?
See Exodus chapter 28.
370 | Sharmuta Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:12:26am |
I'm having an Atheist's Nightmare for breakfast.
371 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:14:31am |
Dierdre Scozzafava Drops Out Of NY House Race
Republican Dierdre Scozzafava (sko-zuh-FAH'-vuh) has suspended her campaign for the New York House and is encouraging supporters to embrace Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman.
Wow.
372 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:15:39am |
Wanna know why Witches don't have babies?
'Cause Warlocks have "hollow weenies"!
Yeah. 6th grade rocked.
374 | jaunte Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:16:40am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Ed Morrisey praising Ron Paul Ron Paul this morning. Ugh.
Typical Ron Paul; edging briefly out of tinfoil hat territory to say one factual thing:
"1,000 deaths from H1N1 in 2009 is one-third of what the US sees in a typical month from the normal flu."
Of course, we're only into the first third of the anticipated course of this H1N1 virus, and don't have sufficient vaccine.
375 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:17:02am |
re: #370 Sharmuta
A banana is an Atheist's Nightmare? Brilliant.
Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are Atheist comedy.
Did you know that peanut butter is also an Atheist's Nightmare? AAHHH!
376 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:17:15am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
Imagine the world today if Perot would've done that.
377 | Gus Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:17:49am |
378 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:18:34am |
re: #374 jaunte
Typical Ron Paul; edging briefly out of tinfoil hat territory to say one factual thing:
"1,000 deaths from H1N1 in 2009 is one-third of what the US sees in a typical month from the normal flu."
Of course, we're only into the first third of the anticipated course of this H1N1 virus, and don't have sufficient vaccine.
Ron Paul is not a complete crack pot...his ideas of govt are no less crazy than the current admin...just on the opposite side of the fence
379 | John Neverbend Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:19:01am |
re: #369 Stuart Leviton
See Exodus chapter 28.
Ah yes, the Urim and Thummim, the same words that appear on the Yale University arms.
380 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:19:10am |
Regarding headgear and workplace dress codes: I have worked in numerous places that not only forbid headgear of all kinds, but also earrings, rings (to include wedding bands) and wristwatches. Facial hair as well.
381 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:21:06am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
Dierdre Scozzafava Drops Out Of NY House Race
Wow.
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
In case you didn't see it.
382 | Bloodnok Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:22:24am |
re: #370 Sharmuta
I'm having an Atheist's Nightmare for breakfast.
Isn't that one of those dreams where they dream that they are ascending and then wake up suddenly?
383 | Odahi Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:22:29am |
re: #380 Odahi
Regarding headgear and workplace dress codes: I have worked in numerous places that not only forbid headgear of all kinds, but also earrings, rings (to include wedding bands) and wristwatches. Facial hair as well.
Think rotating machinery, close quarters, high voltages, and toxic chemicals. Can't get a respirator to seal over a beard. So I shaved mine. Grew it back after that job, though. The more of my face that's covered, the better I look.
384 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:22:46am |
re: #378 albusteve
Ron Paul is not a complete crack pot...his ideas of govt are no less crazy than the current admin...just on the opposite side of the fence
The left wing equivalent of RP is not Obama. It's a Maoist.
385 | jaunte Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:22:48am |
re: #378 albusteve
I think his leanings towards disengagement and isolationism were unworkable in the last century, and continue to be impractical now.
386 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:24:42am |
re: #384 Conservative Moonbat
The left wing equivalent of RP is not Obama. It's a Maoist.
a Maoist?...that's a stretch, a typical liberal wild exaggeration
387 | albusteve Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:26:42am |
re: #385 jaunte
I think his leanings towards disengagement and isolationism were unworkable in the last century, and continue to be impractical now.
I think so too...BO has dreams that are so impractical, they leave reality behind completely
388 | Killgore Trout Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:26:54am |
re: #381 Conservative Moonbat
Michael Steele: Doug Hoffman win is a GOP win
In case you didn't see it.
Thanks. Looks like they're going to lie down and let the nuts hijack the party.
390 | Gus Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:33:04am |
re: #375 BigPapa
A banana is an Atheist's Nightmare? Brilliant.
Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are Atheist comedy.
Did you know that peanut butter is also an Atheist's Nightmare? AAHHH!
Another creationist sub-genius. That guy was also the largest share holder of Western Digital. I guess he didn't think about additives and preservatives that are added to most commercially sold peanut butter. There still can be growths which include various microorganisms but that's usually started with post-processing contamination. If it's a sealed container it will not be exposed to any oxygen, etc. Odds are there will be some bacterial growth (which is a life form even though I'm sure these bucolic bumpkins wouldn't think it as such).
391 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sat, Oct 31, 2009 9:35:06am |
re: #390 Gus 802
They are either willfully ignorant or have absolutely no understanding of the evolutionary process.