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Oh, boy. This is pure idiocy on their part. Cluebat to Lafayette County Republicans, tax evasion is a crime, which their first point seems to imply.
/three more years of this nonsense?
Oh, boy. This is pure idiocy on their part. Cluebat to Lafayette County Republicans, tax evasion is a crime, which their first point seems to imply.
/three more years of this nonsense?
Oh, Hell. Those fools are going to get people killed. They actually think that a revolution is a good thing. Violent revolutions have sometimes been necessary things (though I do not believe that that is the case in today's USA), but they are never good things.
You say that war is all glory, I know that war is all Hell.
If the majority of people vote for the "incumbents" (thus signaling their approval government policies) then the pure and uncorrupted souls should thwart the will of the people and establish ... what? Not a democracy, I guess.
I don't think this reference is intentional on the part of the GOP there, but 'the Beast' and 'Starve the Beast' is language that's been taken over by neo-confederates, anti-gubbmint types, white supremacist and separatists, and Christian Identity folks, and many other scattered evil nutcase groups about the US govt-- the type of people who think Social Security numbers are the 'Mark of the Beast' and the US govt is the Antichrist. Assorted lunatics living 'off the grid'. For people with that kind of ideology, this exhortation to 'live free or die' is frighteningly literal.
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
Didn't you get the memo? It's atheists that are unamerican.
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
I don't think this reference is intentional on the part of the GOP there, but 'the Beast' and 'Starve the Beast' is language that's been taken over by neo-confederates, anti-gubbmint types, white supremacist and separatists, and Christian Identity folks, and many other scattered evil nutcase groups about the US govt-- the type of people who think Social Security numbers are the 'Mark of the Beast' and the US govt is the Antichrist. Assorted lunatics living 'off the grid'. For people with that kind of ideology, this exhortation to 'live free or die' is frighteningly literal.
Bad times.
The capitalization of 'Beast' is there as a dog whistle for somebody...
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
Oy Vey, I've grown up cheek by jowl with those folks all my life. It is exhausting. When I go to the public library, I have to turn all the Obama books right way up after they have been turned upside down. I'm sure they would piss on them if they could get away with it.
I think so. Probably shouldn't be legal. It's also advocating that people not pay their taxes which is also illegal. At the very least it's anti-American.
Yep. As I said here a few days ago, some people 'live' in a twisted imaginary version of America that only exists in their own heads. They are very much anti- the real America, the America they are clearly now fantasising about making war on.
That's pretty bad. At least no one disparaged President Bush that way.
*cough*
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
When I turned 18 this gentleman from the West named Ronald Reagan was leading this country. I liked him and his ideas enough to get up off my butt and send him the 16.00 that my broke white ass could scrape together. (I even looked under the pillows of the couch!)
Haven't sent a dime since. But they keep sending letters and telling me that I'm a faithful supporter!
Extreme Bad Craziness Hate. It takes real hate, not simple craziness, to think that a president who was pained by the loss of those he commanded was not in fact sad, but in fact thought the killings good. I can't get inside the mind of someone like that.
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
I don't particularly like it: it's better than Bud or Coors, but unless you're drinking the "Black and Tan" version or the Porter, I think it's pretty weak stuff.
I think the best beer in America might be from Texas - Shiner Bock.
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
Notice the shoutout to the End Times/anti-gubbmint crazies again, with 'Obama-Nation' (Abomination), just like this billboard with the 'Beast' reference.
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
Most of the revolutionists are gonna be slow moving fat republicans anyway.
Yes. The Republicans ran the House and the Senate and the White House.
We are talking about a philosophy that started in the Reagan years in a small way and turned into a juggernaut over time. Tax cuts were always good because by denying funds to the government it would have to shrink...right?
Only it didn't shrink, the congress kept right on spending money they didn't have and financing it through bond issues. That is why we now have a lot of the deficit that we do. This isn't about the "last eight years" this is about the fiscal irresponsibility of the last thirty. It is about the kind of attitude on capitol hill that allowed the prescription drug benefit to pass without any attempt to pay for any of it. $32 Trillion in new Medicare spending over the long term according to the CBO with no new revenues coming in to pay for it.
I here by secede and declare my state of "Get the fuck off my lawn"
Back in the early '70s one of the cereal companies would deed you one square inch of the moon if you sent in a certain amount of boxtops. One young man mailed in enough to own about a square foot of the moon.
This was all well and good - until he decided to write his President and tell him to recognize that square foot an independent nation - "or else".
Oy Vey, I've grown up cheek by jowl with those folks all my life. It is exhausting. When I go to the public library, I have to turn all the Obama books right way up after they have been turned upside down. I'm sure they would piss on them if they could get away with it.
I condemned extreme and unfair attacks on Bush when they were happening, just as I now condemn extreme and unfair attacks on Obama. I suspect that is true of many people here.
I once defended Bush's right to clear brush! It was a big argument!
We are talking about a philosophy that started in the Reagan years in a small way and turned into a juggernaut over time. Tax cuts were always good because by denying funds to the government it would have to shrink...right?
Only it didn't shrink, the congress kept right on spending money they didn't have and financing it through bond issues. That is why we now have a lot of the deficit that we do. This isn't about the "last eight years" this is about the fiscal irresponsibility of the last thirty. It is about the kind of attitude on capitol hill that allowed the prescription drug benefit to pass without any attempt to pay for any of it. $32 Trillion in new Medicare spending over the long term according to the CBO with no new revenues coming in to pay for it.
Oh, I think the dog whistle is entirely intentional.
Then those who put up the billboard should be held legally accountable if any nutjob uses the billboard as a justification for murder. That billboard is the equivalent of starting a panic in a crowd. If someone gets trampled, you are to blame.
Good thing I have a Zombie Plan already in place. Couple of tweaks and replace all mention of 'zombies' with 'rebels' and I should get through the worst of it pretty painlessly.
My Zombie Plan involves my local jail, but I'm afraid the rebels might let me out and expect me to join in.
Of course, given the Contra Costa town in which I currently live, the idea of my neighbors rising up against Obama's government seems vanishingly small. We do have some Republicans, but they tend to be middle-aged, middle-class, and mild-mannered. Also, they don't want to become the majority, because as it is, they can vote without waiting in line.
"At best, your sign is unbelievably tasteless; at the worst, it is treasonous. It is certainly unpatriotic and symptomatic of the hatred and contempt you wear on your sleeve for the duly elected president of our great country. Shame on you!"
I lived in Tampa for a few years a long time ago. The games were fun to go to. You figured he Bucs would lose, but the cheerleaders (for both teams) were hot, the beer was cold, the weather was great and it was the NFL.
Just found this on youtube from last month: a billboard in MO, also with the 'live free or die' slogan, with a hammer and sickle, saying:
HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR CHANGE NOW?
OBAMA-NATION
THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU, THE TAXPAYER,
1st & 2nd Amendments are in jeopardy.
LIVE FREE OR DIE
[Video]Notice the shoutout to the End Times/anti-gubbmint crazies again, with 'Obama-Nation' (Abomination), just like this billboard with the 'Beast' reference.
I think this video is of the original billboard that this new one replaced. Is that right?
I'm from Michigan. I ceased being a fan when Barry Sanders retired, and I did not blame him one bit for what he did. The Lions organization is utterly incapable of putting a good product on the field. I remember about 10 years ago telling all my friends, who didn't want to believe me at the time, that the Lions were screwed for at least 5 years when they signed Charlie Batch to a long-term deal. It pisses me off to no end to watch Matt Millen calling Michigan games talking about what personnel they need to win.
I follow the Lions half-heartedly. The last few years I have referred to the Lions game every Sunday as the Detroit Lions Comedy Show, but I watch more often than not and usually chuckle when they inevitably blow it.
When Mr. Ford gets serious about winning football games, which I won't hold my breath waiting for, then I will call myself a fan again.
I had season tix. We sucked, but saw...
Brett Farve
Steve Young
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Many more. :)
Exactly. Seeing the stars from the other teams was rewarding in itself. I'll always remember Earl Campbell's introduction (really loud). Payton owned the Bucs back then too. I was on the front row (end zone) of a Bears game in Tampa once and the Honey Bears (cheerleaders) rotated every quarter. They were 10-15' away. Too cool.
Stupid and irresponsible. I hope the county committee receives some consequences from the state party.
I wonder how the party for that county is constituted. Is is a largish committee elected from the general population, or is it a small number of people?
This looks like the actions of a small group of nuts who don't really have anyone to oppose them.
Exactly. Seeing the stars from the other teams was rewarding in itself. I'll always remember Earl Campbell's introduction (really loud). Payton owned the Bucs back then too. I was on the front row (end zone) of a Bears game in Tampa once and the Honey Bears (cheerleaders) rotated every quarter. They were 10-15' away. Too cool.
I remember a few years ago when right wing people, including myself, bemoaned the liberal state of this country for failing to prosecute certain others for treason, because of their treasonous conduct during a war against the President of the United States.
Being a consistent sort of girl, I once again bemoan the liberal state of this country for failing to prosecute certain others for treason, because of their treasonous conduct calling for war against the nation and the President of the United States.
i'm not into Governments dictating content on television... but... in a Clockwork Orange fashion... force these bone dragging, side winding crokercrockers to watch ALL of Ken Burns "Civil War"... back to back and without sleep and while in a stress position...
They are that, but they're also murderous. The Klan is one of the worst things ever to arise in the USA. The day their organization is no more will be a very good day.
Neither. We have a 2 party system. Don't place blame on one without the other. That's all.
I voted for reagan twice, I voted for Bush 1 and 2, I voted for McCain.
You are reading bias into my post that isn't there, I did not blame a single party, show me where I did.
I don't know what it would take to get the Lions whipped into shape as a team from the top on down. It would a one hell of a leader and a core of lieutenants to put this team at the top of its division let alone the league.
i'm not into Governments dictating content on television... but... in a Clockwork Orange fashion... force these bone dragging, side winding crokercrockers to watch ALL of Ken Burns "Civil War"... back to back and without sleep and while in a stress position...
it'd prove several points.
I'm not sure that would work. They'd cheer on General Lee and scream imprecations at the Union. They already have their own "Lost Cause" narrative of the Civil War.
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
So in other words, if you don't like the policies implemented by Congress then start a civil war. I wonder what they'd say if I said that if they had Congress doing what they wanted. I'd probably get called every word in the book. Seriously what a bunch of dumb fools. Civil War would be a tragic event for the nation and they think it will be all glamorous and shit.
"At best, your sign is unbelievably tasteless; at the worst, it is treasonous. It is certainly unpatriotic and symptomatic of the hatred and contempt you wear on your sleeve for the duly elected president of our great country. Shame on you!"
Reminiscent of a story related of a member of the Yondotega Club in Detroit. Founded in 1891, it is limited to 150 members, with new members accepted only upon the death of a current member. Almost nothing is known about the club, other than it's prestigious membership and it's lavish weekly dinners. Secrecy is the rule, and extends even to spouses of Yon members:
Wives, harassed by lack of information, have remarked the members were "impossible" in the old days. "They still walk out on anything to keep a date at the Yon", said one wife. "And I must say I grow weary of this silly little custom of toasting deceased members and the President of the United States which takes them out of circulation most of New Year's Day when they hold their open house." A member, who did not wish to be identified said this Yon wife was misinformed. The members do not always toast the nation's President. "In some administrations we merely toast the office of the President of the United States," he explained.
And tell me one thing, just one thing that he said that is incorrect. That is what has happened, or did the deficit appear by magic? I agreed that what he said was true because it is, I didn't say that the democrats don't have any blame themselves. I find all this insistance on the constant tit-for-tat "you guys did it too!" stuff to be a hugh waste of time and effort. Why can't we just agree that government as a whole is farked up when it comes to spending and has been for a long time?
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
I don't give a flying fuck what your ideology is: Whether I agree with you entirely or disagree vehemently, as soon as you start calling for "war" and start making noises that sound like agitation for the for-real, no-shit violent overthrow of my country's democratically elected government, you have landed squarely in my "ENEMY" category.
Rant and rave all you want; I will defend to the death your right to blather thusly. But there is dangerous ground upon which you tread at your extreme peril.
Merely tweak a few variables, and this kind of bullshit is EXACTLY the same as the murderous crap spewed by Ayman al-Zawahiri and mullah Mohammed Omar.
Played the original one with my brother on his 360. I'm a PC gamer and prefer the mouse aim so it was rough at first trying kill anything without the shotguns at first because I'm not use to the Xbox controller. Still it's a fun party game.
Interesting. The game looks like its set in New Orleans. That actually makes a good deal of sense.
It's fantastic, and more advanced, there's a lot more the AI director can do to dynamically switch up levels. And Clutch is on the soundtrack. Valve still kicks ass for miles.
Saw the sarc tag and don't know how to take that comment.
Howabout because it's teh dumb.
Many here at LGF don't look down on the President, just his policies. He needs a room for us to make decisions. We are smarter then Rahm, and better looking.
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
Poor words with that highlighted portion. Words like that make non-racist Southerners feel justifiably insulted. You come across as bigoted. Instead of "Deep South", use "Neo-Confederate" its more descriptive and less general.
Today is too nice to spend it all indoors. I'm going out walking for an hour. BBL
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
Among Republicans… only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% — an outright majority — saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided. Among McCain voters, the breakdown is 31%-49%-20%. By comparison, independents weigh in at 72%-18%-10%, and Democrats are 86%-9%-4%.
I've met people who are surprised, based on where I live, that I own my own shoes and drive on paved roads.
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
So does one of my college friends. Actually, DOWN a dirt road. There's a sort of ordinary dirt road, and then the whole thing plunges down the side of mountain. I first went this route with her and her husband in a Jeep at three in the morning, which was quite the experience.
I thought the whole idea of a democracy was that the population gets to vote for their preferred candidate, safe from coercion, and the minority, unable to elect their candidate, implicitly agrees to abide by the decision of the majority until the next election as long as their rights were respected. I assumed (I'm not American) that the Constitution was designed to make sure the majority wasn't able to subvert the political process and a corollary to this was that the minority's rights were thus protected.
Can anyone show me how the rights of the far, far, far right have been threatened to a degree that the agreement has been broken?
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
Pleased to meetcha. I, conversely, come from the fake America where we don't luuuhhhv our country, serve in the military, have jobs, pay taxes, or drink beer.
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
Honestly, not sure what the tipping point would be for me--probably the point at which I believed that there really was no recourse to representative democracy, and no living with what was happening.
This, of course, is the basis of my disagreement with these yahoos. Half the stuff they're worked up about isn't happening to begin with.
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
The problem with revolutions in a Democratic society is that the Democracy would have had to have broken down before Revolution becomes a viable and patriotic option.
That hasn't happened, in fact, more people voted in the last election than in any other American election, ever.
So the first step for revolutionaries isn't not paying your taxes or starving the beast or any of that nonsense. If you were being practical about your revolutionary ambitions the first step is de-legitimizing elections. Once people lose faith in elections, at that point they can start to think about some other course of action.
As long as people are voting, even if they are holding their nose while they do so, they are not ripe for armed revolution.
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
The above sign sound to me like a deathwish for the president. They won't write that down of course but when you ask the people who put up those vile signs they certainly will state that! You can't agree with everything your president and the government does but this bullying into submission by the far right is becoming more tiresome day after day...
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
The above sign sound to me like a deathwish for the president. They won't write that down of course but when you ask the people who put up those vile signs they certainly will state that! You can't agree with everything your president and the government does but this bullying into submission by the far right is becoming more tiresome day after day...
Americans have been disagreeing with each other since the country was formed. It's what life is, here.
The signs and incidents in this post are over the top and just plain wrong; and this from somebody who did NOT vote for Obama.
When the right is in power, similar "bullying" that you see now from the right is perpetrated by the left. It is what it is.
Some of us are able to disagree without asserting that the "other side" belongs in North Korea; others can't. Again, it is what it is, and it's always been that way here.
Great points, both. With a casual think about it, it seems to me that there are two situations that could occur. One is the majority-rules/minority-rights dynamic that stops protecting minorities. The other is just downright government oppression. For the first example, both sides probably have issues that would tip them there (from the right's view - taxation becomes usury, on the left's - legislation of morals). For the second, it would be things like sliding down a slippery slope represented for example by the expanded FISA laws). Neither situation is anywhere near the point of revolution, but even if it were, putting together said revolution would be virtually impossible.
I wouldn't worry about an uprising of Missourians just yet.
Not only SNL--I was shocked, I tell you, shocked when I saw this last night.
But today, I read Mo Dowd:
If we could see a Reduced Shakespeare summary of Obama’s presidency so far, it would read:
Dither, dither, speech. Foreign trip, bow, reassure. Seminar, summit. Shoot a jump shot with the guys, throw out the first pitch in mom jeans. Compromise, concede, close the deal. Dither, dither, water down, news conference.
It’s time for the president to reinvent this formula and convey a more three-dimensional person.
Palin can be stupefyingly simplistic, but she seems dynamic. Obama is impressively complex but he seems static.
She nurtures her grass roots while he neglects his.
He struggles to transcend identity politics while she wallows in them. As he builds an emotional moat around himself, she exuberantly pushes whatever she has, warts and all — the good looks, the tabloid-perfect family, the Alaska quirkiness, the kids with the weird names.
QUOTING OVER--Weird names like Malia and Sasha--or god forbid BARACK--I guess Obama is the new normal.
When the right is in power, similar "bullying" that you see now from the right is perpetrated by the left. It is what it is.
It's hard for me to draw a connection between the left's insanity during George W. Bush's presidency and this insanity.
I'm not saying the left doesn't have its nutters -- but, dayum, 4x increase in presidential threats? guns being brought to presidential evidents by guys with signs that proclaim the benefits of assassination. People fearing their guns are going to be taken away at the same time President Obama signs legislation decreasing the limitations of guns?
I also HAVE ALWAYS LOVED YOUR NIC!!!
It reminds me of a children's book I once had with illustrations by Maurice Sendak--I think it was Rosie (something), but that's the picture in my head (very cute) when I see your nic, Reine.
It's hard for me to draw a connection between the left's insanity during George W. Bush's presidency and this insanity.
I'm not saying the left doesn't have its nutters -- but, dayum, 4x increase in presidential threats? guns being brought to presidential evidents by guys with signs that proclaim the benefits of assassination. People fearing their guns are going to be taken away at the same time President Obama signs legislation decreasing the limitations of guns?
This is NEXT LEVEL stuff going on here.
I don't disagree with you that it's NEXT LEVEL stuff going on, and I absolutely condemn it. When I read some things some former posters are now writing elsewhere, I am completely shocked by what I see, and very thankful for still being here, in a place of sanity.
I actually like the term "crackers"--sticks and stones, but CRACKERS--hey, I like it! Crackers are the those things that people pull apart at Christmas where I come from--they have a cap or something that pops and inside there are some cheap goodies (the cheaper the better!)--like a party hat, favor, confetti--stuff. They were next to our plates at Christmas dinner. Sometimes, you can get upscale crackers--with real stuff--like a Patek Phillipe watch--but don't count on it at my house. So, Cracker, eh--pretty on the outside and party fixin's on the inside. I'll take it.
Missouri was really torn apart during the Civil war. I would say the "Neo-Confederate" mentality description is very applicable.
He used the term "deep south".
Missouri is not "deep south", no matter how you look at it, imo.
Nor are Colorado or Michigan.
So. . . you can believe these incidents are a result of "deep south" thinking, or not. All I know is that these incidents did not take place in "deep south" states, which leads me to believe this sort of craziness cannot be attributed to the "deep south" alone.
I have read the NYT for a long time--years and years and years--and it's sad to see its decline. When I lived in Italy, I read the International Herald Tribune (which is published by the Times) and saw so many typos, left out words, stories that jumped to nowhere--downright mistakes--that I became much more attentive to the Times itself. Maureen Dowd, who "went off" Clinton, used to make me smile a bit--but she has been too long at the job. She wouldn't be working there if the Times was what it used to be--now its columnists are just no longer critical thinkers--just critical carpers.
I also HAVE ALWAYS LOVED YOUR NIC!!!
It reminds me of a children's book I once had with illustrations by Maurice Sendak--I think it was Rosie (something), but that's the picture in my head (very cute) when I see your nic, Reine.
...well, you would have made a nice living if you didn't have to actually reside in New York--that is until the Gray Lady sinks in the Hudson when the red ink fills her hold.
100 new millitia groups since the election, more threats to the President than any previous in their first year, SPLC reports, the ADL report, the Homeland Security reports on the rise of far right extremism... scenes of people in floods of tears screaming that "they want their country back"...socialism as "black racism"... barely and unconcealed racism floating through the underbelly of the MSM - and if a cartoon like the dead ape one can make it into the New York post - how much of a stretch is it to believe that attitudes are worse in some areas of the south...?
I have friends in England and Northern US who moved here and there from the Deep South and relayed me - in detail - about some of the attitudes that still hold among elements of the population.
and - i'm not saying everyone in the south is a racist bigot... just that traditionally the Deep South has had more problems with race than the rest of the US... or is that no longer a historical fact, that the Deep South has never had a race problem or problem with Northerners generally?
I don't want to live in a country where I can't call the Democratic president the Anti-Christ just because he's black.
Get your PC bullshit out of my face.
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Is he the anti-christ because he's black, or is his being black incidental? Much as I disagree with your identification of anyone as the anti-christ, if the ethnicity or skin colour of skin is just incidental to your ire then I would respect your opinion for what it is worth. However, if you are calling him the anti-christ because of colour/ethnicity, then I have a big problem with you.
Just as not everyone making negative comments about someone of another color is being racist, the idea that it is in some way PC and only PC (which is a nonsense label used to minimize social concerns), to call someone racist after witnessing him/her apply a negative label to someone of another skin colour, is ignorant.
Although a simple comment isn't enough to determine bigotry, and shamefully, many on the left do believe it is, the context of the comment and/or the history of the speaker is enough to evaluate the comment. In many cases, the people calling Obama the anti-christ (or something equally stupid) are indeed bigots, some just a little and some absolutely raving.
There is so much prejudice towards anyone who lives "down south" among folks where I live, it's amazing.
It reminds me of the tour I took and traveled to Moscow in 2005. I couldn't help but think that Moscow--and all of Russia were GRAY--black and white and grainy GRAY. That the people would be huddled and wearing threadbare GRAY or brown coats. What a shock. Especially when I looked in the glittery shop windows at the prices for designer clothes. Whooah. The men and women were good looking and well dressed for the most part. I felt like a ...a ...a clunker.
Would be a good thing NOT to judge the Deep South as you are doing now--it isn't fair at all to the vast majority--kind, decent, polite people who live there.
Yes. White racism, red racisim, black racism, yellow racism, brown racism. Racism is probably endemic and gene-based--and like any other anti-social tendency, we learn to suppress it, while secretly harboring our sneaking suspicions...
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
Don't be afraid to express your opinions. It's a good thing. Sometimes having one's opinions challenged makes us think more deeply--and that's a good thing, too.
So at what is a revolution a good thing? There clearly is a point where it is; after all our country started that way and I think most people are glad that happened. So at what point? If kids in public schools at every grade level were required to attend a one-hour class teaching about the New Testament? If all abortion, drinking of alcohol, and sodomy were federal crimes? If the FBI were allowed to routinely tap our phone lines and search our houses without a warrant and without our necessarily knowing it? If all that were true, how would you feel about a billboard with a message of revolution?
Circumstances that would, to me, justify a FOR-REAL, NO-SHIT revolution would by their very nature preclude the existence of billboards calling for revolution.
I thought the whole idea of a democracy was that the population gets to vote for their preferred candidate, safe from coercion, and the minority, unable to elect their candidate, implicitly agrees to abide by the decision of the majority until the next election as long as their rights were respected. I assumed (I'm not American) that the Constitution was designed to make sure the majority wasn't able to subvert the political process and a corollary to this was that the minority's rights were thus protected.
Can anyone show me how the rights of the far, far, far right have been threatened to a degree that the agreement has been broken?
There you go, spouting that "rational civility" crap you foreigners are so famous for.
Not saying the deep south never had problems.
Just pointing out that the signs and incidents portrayed in this post are not in deep-south states.
So . . . perhaps the view that it's a "deep south" mentality is flawed. It seems to be more of a crazy, over-the-top mentality not unique to the south.
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
I agree that the first black president and the rebirth of certain movements are tied together.
They are just not necessarily unique to the "deep south" - now or, really, ever.
i just didn't see the conversation going anywhere productive.
recently too many people have dug themselves into a hole and kept going around here - it creates more animosity than is needed here and discussions end up as flame outs.
am now going to watch some football and drink some beer.
I'm not a US citizen. Never been there. And this country seems to get stranger and stranger. It's become quite a challenge what Joe Average thinks. In truth, I don't even know if I'll ever meet a Joe Average. Everyone seems to be pulled to the left or the right... And those who claim to be mainstream are extremes in the eyes of the others.
It's becoming harder to understand the USA.
Here are some generalizations about Americans that might be helpful:
1) Most of the people you see posting here on LGF won't be seen out in the real world marching in circles, carrying signs, and shouting slogans. We generally have more important things to do, even if that more important thing consists solely of sitting on our ass. Ass-sitting is a time-honored American tradition, and we do tend to take it somewhat seriously.
2) Nearly none of us care anything at all about Jay-Z, P-Diddy, Lady Ga Ga, or Miley Cyrus. Pretty much none of us know anything about them or their music, nor can we explain how or why these people came to be considered paragons of American musical artistry. A great many of us who are otherwise not crazy view their success as evidence that we have been invaded by aliens with extremely unsophisticated musical taste.
3) we like to complain on the Internet. We enjoy typing our Opinion Of The Moment into whatever blank input box makes itself available to us. Most of us realize that, ultimately, it's just a bit of entertainment and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
NOTE:
Actual American Crazy Persons are not subject to the above. If you encounter an American who seems like a typical Internet comment writer, but whose eyeballs are counterclockwise-rotating spirals, you should take immediate steps to shun and avoid them.
Otherwise, just be patient. We'll settle down and behave as rationally as we're able after a few minutes.
I agree with your basic statement. But I would add that each country has historical and cultural distinctives that shape whatever type of racism in existence there. In America's case, anti-black racism has its roots so far back, and its effect was/is so widespread, that it's not quite the same as other anti immigrant sentiments. It's related to be sure. But it's also qualitatively different. So in that sense, not all racisms are the same. And having our first black president has unleashed a torrent of not too subtly repressed racism, as recent posts have attested.
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Or even the upper, middle, or lower South.
The majority of the threats to Obama have not originated south of the mason- dixon line.
Thank God and Greyhound.///
Isn't the starve the beast philosophy what grew out of the eighties as the rationale for huge deficits? So basically these Republicans are all for huge deficit spending while at the same time complaining about huge deficit spending. This sounds perfectly rational ... I can't wait for them to assume power again.
Yep. These same "fiscal conservatives" are the ones screaming "death panels" because grandma might have to wait 2 or 3 years for that government-funded mammogram once she's over 75...and screaming "government get away from my health care" ... um ...
When I see pictures of billboards like these it leads me to believe that the Secret Service and local police departments must be doing one hell of a job keeping our elected officials safe from these maniacs.
Cold concrete apartments
Rise up from wet black asphalt
Below them a few carcasses
Of the long gone age of privacy
It takes a scary kind of illness
To design a place like this for pay
Downtown's an endless generic mall
Of video games and fast food chains
One by one the little houses
Are bricked up and condemned
A subtle hint to move
Before the rats move in
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Those new kids at school seem cool
But dad says not to talk to them
Stick to your old friends
They're not our kind
So now there's lots of fights
So many people I know
Come of age tense and bitter-eyed
Can't create so they just destroy
C'mon!
Let's set someone's dog on fire
Empty plastic
Culture slum suburbia
Is a war zone now
Sprouting the kinds of gangs
We thought we'd left behind
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Kids at school are taking sides
Along color and uniform lines
My dad's gone and bought a gun
He says he's fed up
With crime in this town
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere
Anywhere
Everywhere
I hope I'm gone before it explodes
I linger late at night
Waiting for the bus
No amount of neon jazz
Could hide the oozing vibes of death
My dad's a vigilante now
He's bringing home these weird-ass friends
Like the guy who fires blanks at his TV
When Kojak's on
Or the guy who shows off his submachine gun
To his sixteen-year-old daughter's friends
Whose sense of pride and hope
Is being in the police reserve
This could be anywhere
This could be everywhere-Everywhere
A friend traveling in the South was asked if he wanted grits with his breakfast. Not knowing about grits and not wanting to appear ignorant, he replied, "Yes, I'll try one."
a majority of Republicans believe ACORN "stole" the election for Obama nationally.
52%.
Imagine how that collection of images comes together in the deep south mentallity.
Now add that statistic to that highway poster...
It is within the realm of possibility that ACORN stole enough votes to put Franken close enough that extra vote-stealing steps by the Democratic machine in MN could put him over the top.
But the national election? That was a solid Obama win. By the time November came around, the economy was tanking and a Democrat win had become inevitable. ACORN had become irrelevant. Take away whatever cheating they managed, and Obama maybe slips by two electoral votes. Or maybe none at all. ACORN doesn't command legions of phony voters. Just battalions, and not that many of those. On top of that, a good fraction of however many fake voters ACORN can put in play don't vote in swing districts. Most districts are sewed up tight for one party or the other.
How can anything approaching just 5%, let alone 52%, of Republicans believe that ACORN cost them the win? It seems improbable. Do remember, 83.22745% of all statistics are made up and pretend to ridiculous levels of precision.
I could have been more artful in my analysis and marriage of current trends with historical ones - but that i link the first Black President with the sudden exspansion and rebirth of the militia movement and huge spikes in White Supremacist activity are not opinions i will row back from.
again, i apologise to all concerned for offending them and withdraw from the conversation.
Accepted. I'm not one to hold grudges anyway. I hope you won't withdraw from the other conversations around here.
And I do think there's merit to the point you make above.
Stupid and irresponsible. I hope the county committee receives some consequences from the state party.
Personally, I'd like to see it go farther, with the national GOP making it clear that despite any policy disagreements they have with President Obama, billboards like these are unacceptable and should be condemned no matter the source. If that first sign was put up by part of the Missouri state GOP, then threaten to withhold national funds until a formal apology is issued and the sign taken down, or something.
I know that I pushed back against the "Bush=Hitler" memes that went around my fellow liberals for eight years, and I didn't even like the guy. I had many screaming matches and flame wars over that idiocy because I thought it was out of line. I can guess that many of the more sane Republicans feel much the same way when they see signs like these directed at Obama, no matter how they may feel about his presidency so far.
I'd like to think that there are reasonable people on both sides that can come to some sort of agreement. Fringe nonsense like this just adds nothing to the discussion and poisons the political environment, which is counterproductive. There are real issues to debate and real problems to solve. Yammering about revolution or birth certificates? Not helping. =P
For what it's worth, I'd point out that although the South has acquired an unpleasant reputation for being racist and backward in certain areas, it's only fair to remember that Chicago under Daley produced some of the nastier moments of white racism when MLK went there, and had some of the most deliberately segregated areas, despite federal directives ordering integration. Equally, some of the vilest parts of the militia movement have been in Michigan and Oregon. That said, it is fair comment that the GOP, which has generally refused to condemn such extremists, is now concentrated in the South, and seems increasingly to be dictated to by Southern activists of various stripes. It's not completely surprising that people now associate extremism with the South, even though the actual picture is rather more complicated. For me, the saddest aspect of GOP dominance of the South is that it has done the South very little good. Look at which states have the poorest records on health, education, and poverty. You'll find that the South consistently has the worst performers in these areas - Alabama and Mississippi come to mind.
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
I have to say that its signs like this that make me glad I am Canadian. Don't get me wrong, most days I wish Canada were more like the US (well at least the 2 coasts of the US) but crap like this just makes me shake my head. Good luck with these guys.
For what it's worth, I'd point out that although the South has acquired an unpleasant reputation for being racist and backward in certain areas, it's only fair to remember that Chicago under Daley produced some of the nastier moments of white racism when MLK went there, and had some of the most deliberately segregated areas, despite federal directives ordering integration. Equally, some of the vilest parts of the militia movement have been in Michigan and Oregon. That said, it is fair comment that the GOP, which has generally refused to condemn such extremists, is now concentrated in the South, and seems increasingly to be dictated to by Southern activists of various stripes. It's not completely surprising that people now associate extremism with the South, even though the actual picture is rather more complicated. For me, the saddest aspect of GOP dominance of the South is that it has done the South very little good. Look at which states have the poorest records on health, education, and poverty. You'll find that the South consistently has the worst performers in these areas - Alabama and Mississippi come to mind.
I can't disagree with anything you've said.
The only point I've tried to make is this . . . in a post where the incidents described occurred in Missouri, Colorado and Michigan - for someone to come in and make a comment about the "deep south" mentality of the folks behind the incidents is just - ludicrous.
the republican party has been a convenient bastion and smokescreen for racists for decades. it's finally starting to really show. it must be destroyed.
At the rate the GOP is going, it will likely eat itself alive while is slowly starves to death. This will take some time, but the loonier it becomes, the more people will splinter away. In the meantime, do your best to help propel its destruction. A gesture of humanitarian aid, if you will.
I basically agree with you, although given that Senator Voinovich (a Republican) also blamed the GOP's problems on the south, I can't say that it's just liberals who see the south as being to blame. Nor can we deny that the south has produced some very unpleasant groups and individuals. Overall, I think it's past time that as a society we stopped classing things as simplistically liberal/conservative, southern/northern etc, and simply asked: does a given policy convey tangible benefits to the American people, and is it compatible with being a good citizen?