Racist Wingnut Calls ‘Avatar’ Racist

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Do wingnuts have an aversion to mirrors, like vampires?

Twitter user “obamascare” tweets:

‘Avatar’ Contains Racist and Liberal Messages http://j.mp/4FTcZT #tcot Avatar #climategate #gorefraud

With a link to a Yahoo review of the movie. Notice that it’s copied to #tcot, which stands for “Top Conservatives On Twitter.”

The ridiculously hypocritical part of this wingnut’s tweet: “obamascare” uses that disgustingly racist photoshopped picture of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as his personal icon.

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1 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:13:19pm

haven't seen it yet... don't spoil it please.

2 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:15:03pm

I've seen it . . . .

3 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:15:32pm

Surprised you've got that picture up boss.

4 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:16:44pm
5 kobra_55  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:18:33pm

I haven't seen it yet either, no spoilers!

6 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:19:10pm

My kids all loved the movie. They said it was a classic. I plan to see it over the Holiday.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:20:39pm

Racist against who? The blue people?

8 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:21:22pm
Twitter user “obamascare” tweets:

‘Avatar’ Contains Racist and Liberal Messages [Link: j.mp...] #tcot Avatar #climategate #gorefraud

The ridiculously hypocritical part of this wingnut’s tweet: “obamascare” uses that disgustingly racist photoshopped picture of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as his personal icon.

Should I laugh or cry at the insanity of this incongruity?

9 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:21:27pm

/racist & liberal messages.... hmmm, blue people, racist ok, 12 dollar popcorn? that must be the liberal part.

10 kobra_55  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:21:57pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

From what I can gather it's racist against white people by depicting them as being racist against the blue people?

11 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:22:09pm

Gosh, Charles. Do we really need to see that shit tonight?

12 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:22:14pm

re: #6 Mich-again

My kids all loved the movie. They said it was a classic. I plan to see it over the Holiday.

My daughter loved it, thought it was great entertainment.

13 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:22:29pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Racist against who? The blue people?

SMURFS RULE.

14 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:22:48pm

re: #13 MandyManners

SMURFS RULE.

Or, is it "SMURVES"?

15 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:23:10pm

re: #14 MandyManners

Or, is it "SMURVES"?

I thought it was "smurfette".

16 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:23:29pm

re: #14 MandyManners

Or, is it "SMURVES"?

SMURFI

17 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:24:02pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I thought it was "smurfette".

real smurfettes have curves!

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:24:31pm

re: #10 kobra_55

From what I can gather it's racist against white people by depicting them as being racist against the blue people?

But haven't white people historically been racist against blue people? Look at the way Gargamel treats the Smurfs.

19 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:24:43pm

re: #17 brookly red

real smurfettes have curves!

...and hills and tunnels too

20 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:26:28pm

Wingnuts hate Avatar! As expected. Come to think of it, wingnuts seems to hate just about everything.

21 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:26:51pm

re: #17 brookly red

real smurfettes have curves!

Thats why they make steering wheels!

huh !?!?!?

22 kobra_55  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:26:53pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

All I know is that based on this guys profile picture the only kind of perceived racism he would get his feathers ruffled up about is perceived racism against white people.

23 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:27:07pm

re: #20 Gus 802

Wingnuts hate Avatar! As expected. Come to think of it, wingnuts seems to hate just about everything.

/I hate elevators...

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:27:54pm

re: #22 kobra_55

All I know is that based on this guys profile picture the only kind of perceived racism he would get his feathers ruffled up about is perceived racism against white people.

Well, I'm sorry the blue people are hating on the white people. Would a couple of rounds of "Kumbaya" get us anywhere?

25 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:28:05pm

re: #23 brookly red

/I hate elevators...

Actually, you know the kind with no doors? Whew, those are kind of scary.

26 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:28:13pm

re: #23 brookly red

/I hate elevators...

They always speak fondly of you!

27 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:28:21pm

blue is the new pink

28 kobra_55  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:28:31pm

re: #20 Gus 802

A great idea of a thread on some rainy news-less day would be to post things that wingnuts love and see how many we could get. I predict less than 200 unique posts.

29 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:29:29pm

I did not think the movie was in any way racist.

Predictable, yes.

30 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:29:30pm

Unless I am missing the way this sentence is structured, it seems like this reviewer being quoted is saying that the film depicts the white man as racist "Will Heaven of the Daily Telegraph said that the plot line involving people of color who wear "tribal" jewelry while sporting dreadlocked hair, being saved by a noble white man gave the film a "racist subtext" that he found "nauseatingly patronising.""

If the film depicts white men "saving" these people, people that they, according to the plot line, they want to colonize, then wouldn't this be a accurate depiction of white racism as an analogy of the early colonization of certain places here in the past?

31 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:29:33pm

re: #21 sattv4u2

Thats why they make steering wheels!

huh !?!?!?

In that it's still logged in, I thinks it's really really trying to think of and write something witty!

32 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:29:41pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Actually, you know the kind with no doors? Whew, those are kind of scary.

guess no one remembers "Diva" ... oh well.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:21pm

I think the last time we were discussing ethnicity and sci-fi movies, I was having a discussion with Buzzsawmonkey about whether Wolverine is a Christ figure. Or maybe we were talking about one of the Narnia movies. Anyway...

34 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:26pm

re: #27 albusteve

blue is the new pink

don't eat blue salmon...

35 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:39pm

re: #31 sattv4u2

In that it's still logged in, I thinks it's really really trying to think of and write something witty!

I suck ,, that was meant for the previous thread !!

36 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:45pm

To all you racist twits out there....


Youtube Video
37 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:54pm

re: #27 albusteve

blue is the new pink

Pink is the old black.

Black is the early Paleolithic aqua.

Are we there yet?

38 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:55pm

re: #32 brookly red

guess no one remembers "Diva" ... oh well.

Guess that one went right over my head.

39 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:32:03pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Unless I am missing the way this sentence is structured, it seems like this reviewer being quoted is saying that the film depicts the white man as racist "Will Heaven of the Daily Telegraph said that the plot line involving people of color who wear "tribal" jewelry while sporting dreadlocked hair, being saved by a noble white man gave the film a "racist subtext" that he found "nauseatingly patronising.""

If the film depicts white men "saving" these people, people that they, according to the plot line, they want to colonize, then wouldn't this be a accurate depiction of white racism as an analogy of the early colonization of certain places here in the past?

possibly...if they 'saved' them the put them to work on a fruit plantation to exploit them, then I'd say spot on...somebody said the plot is old and predictable

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:32:07pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Unless I am missing the way this sentence is structured, it seems like this reviewer being quoted is saying that the film depicts the white man as racist "Will Heaven of the Daily Telegraph said that the plot line involving people of color who wear "tribal" jewelry while sporting dreadlocked hair, being saved by a noble white man gave the film a "racist subtext" that he found "nauseatingly patronising.""

If the film depicts white men "saving" these people, people that they, according to the plot line, they want to colonize, then wouldn't this be a accurate depiction of white racism as an analogy of the early colonization of certain places here in the past?

When you get going with some people on colonization, imperialism and racism, there is just no way to win. Smile and wave. Smile and wave.

41 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:32:11pm

Meh.

42 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:32:12pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Guess that one went right over my head.

The joke, or the elevator?

43 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:33:02pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Guess that one went right over my head.

Cure: " I hate elevators"
The Spic: " You hate everything"

not a bad film.

44 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:33:02pm

re: #34 brookly red

don't eat blue salmon...

I'm busy with the brown acid

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:33:07pm

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Unless I am missing the way this sentence is structured, it seems like this reviewer being quoted is saying that the film depicts the white man as racist "Will Heaven of the Daily Telegraph said that the plot line involving people of color who wear "tribal" jewelry while sporting dreadlocked hair, being saved by a noble white man gave the film a "racist subtext" that he found "nauseatingly patronising.""

If the film depicts white men "saving" these people, people that they, according to the plot line, they want to colonize, then wouldn't this be a accurate depiction of white racism as an analogy of the early colonization of certain places here in the past?

There's an Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez character who likes jewelry her agent describes as 'ethnic'. Said character wonders how there could be jewelry that wasn't ethnic.

46 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:34:07pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

The joke, or the elevator?


The elevator reference which I know see is from a movie scene.

47 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:34:28pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Now. Now.... Ugh. PIMF

48 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:35:04pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Now. Now... Ugh. PIMF

Well ,,,,, NOW you KNOW too!!!

49 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Pink is the old black.

Black is the early Paleolithic aqua.

Are we there yet?

almost....

Youtube Video
50 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:35:31pm

Any more information about Garrison Keillor telling Jews to STFU with Chrismas songs?

51 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:35:40pm

I mean, "Unobtanium"? Really?

52 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:37:27pm

And of course the Na'vi people are of a different race (species?) than humans, so I guess it is racist in the fact that those people are oppressed by the white man.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:37:35pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Any more information about Garrison Keillor telling Jews to STFU with Chrismas songs?

No, but the Unitarians are mad at him, and I got on his case on my blog before I got on Alice Walker's case.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:38:43pm

re: #52 Racer X

And of course the Na'vi people are of a different race (species?) than humans, so I guess it is racist in the fact that those people are oppressed by the white man.

Are all the humans white?

And did anyone else notice in "Black Hawk Down", how exceedingly white the U.S. armed forces were?

55 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:39:48pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

the Unitarians

Every time I see that, I think there should only be one of them

They should have named themselves the Multitarians, no??
//

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:40:24pm

I think I've mentioned this before, but there's a sci-fi novel where one of the human anthropologist characters is a hard-line Chinese communist, who the other anthropologists learn is trying to make the aliens urbanize, so they can have an urban proletariat, so they can become communists.

Now that's an interesting alien-human interaction.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:41:17pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

the Unitarians

Every time I see that, I think there should only be one of them

They should have named themselves the Multitarians, no??
//

Dunno, but they sure are hacked. I don't think I've ever seen so many Unitarians angry about something. They're not a real rage-oriented faith, normally.

58 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:41:19pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Are all the humans white?

And did anyone else notice in "Black Hawk Down", how exceedingly white the U.S. armed forces were?

all the principles were accurately depicted...it was what it was, one hell of a movie

59 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #51 Racer X

I mean, "Unobtanium"? Really?

Smurfberries.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:42:28pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno, but they sure are hacked. I don't think I've ever seen so many Unitarians angry about something. They're not a real rage-oriented faith, normally.

Of course, being Unitarians, the height of their anger appears to be deciding that they won't listen to "A Prairie Home Companion" any more.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:42:49pm

re: #58 albusteve

all the principles were accurately depicted...it was what it was, one hell of a movie

It was very good.

62 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:42:52pm

re: #52 Racer X

And of course the Na'vi people are of a different race (species?) than humans, so I guess it is racist in the fact that those people are oppressed by the white man.

Na'Vi is Hebrew for "prophet."

Really, that is so lame.

63 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:10pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Um, Black Hawk down was not only based on a true story, it is pretty accurate. Most Aviation units and nearly all Special Forces, are mostly white. Infantry seems about half white, nearly half black, rest hispanic with only a smattering of other races. If you care. It wasn't racist, but people tend to migrate to certain career fields where they are surrounded by like minded people.

64 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:19pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, being Unitarians, the height of their anger appears to be deciding that they won't listen to "A Prairie Home Companion" any more.

What will replace "Bertha's Kitty Boutique?"

/

65 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:28pm

the dreaded Smurfinator...
[Link: smurfinator.com...]

kick your lilly white ass

66 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:35pm

Awe, that nice man is going to give America the best Christmas present evah!

Senate Clears Final Hurdle to Vote on Health Care Bill

The Senate trudged Wednesday toward passage of sweeping health legislation after disposing of Republican claims that it would be unconstitutional to require Americans to have health insurance, as the bill does.

The Senate was poised to take a final vote on the legislation, President Obama’s top priority, on Thursday morning.

Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, said Democrats had secured the 60 votes they needed with “a grab bag of backroom Chicago-style buyoffs” for specific states and favored constituencies.

The Senate on Wednesday rejected a Republican effort to require disclosure of all items inserted in the bill for the benefit of specific states and entities.

The Senate also rejected a constitutional point of order against the bill by Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada.

“I don’t think Congress has ever required Americans to buy a product or service, such as health insurance, under penalty of law,” Mr. Ensign said. “I doubt Congress has the power to do that. Under this bill, if an American chooses not to buy minimal essential health coverage, he or she will face rapidly increasing taxes — up to $750 or 2 percent of taxable income, whichever is greater, by the year 2016.”

In an interview with PBS, President Obama said Wednesday that he was pleased with the Senate bill, as with a companion bill passed by the House last month.

“I’m getting 95 percent of what I want,” Mr. Obama said.

He vowed to sign the final legislation even if it did not include a government-run insurance plan. The House bill, but not the Senate measure, includes such a public option.
[snipped]

Vote is tomorrow morning.

I'm all for government health care - just not this one. I would prefer one attached to a balanced budget amendment.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #62 Alouette

Na'Vi is Hebrew for "prophet."

Really, that is so lame.

Look, all those years in Hebrew School have to pay off sometime.

68 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:55pm

Oh the humanity! Cold Snap Causes Christmas Chaos in Europe

And in Saarlouis, in the state of Saarland, the DPA reported on a cunning 16-year-old who decided the icy weather was the perfect time to test whether a wet tongue would stick to a frozen lamp post. The temperature was around minus 10 and it turned out that wet tongues do indeed stick to frozen lamp posts. An ambulance was called but the teenager had managed to free himself before they arrived. He was treated for a bleeding tongue.
69 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:43:58pm

When I heard the plot was soldiers/mercenaries working to murder the native people for a private corporation trying to plunder the natural resources of the planet Pandora....I knew wingnuts were going to hate this movie. :D

70 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:44:40pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

It was very good.

a terrific book/movie...I read all that guys stuff now...I think they are making a movie from "Killing Pablo"

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:44:48pm

re: #63 Escaped Hillbilly

Um, Black Hawk down was not only based on a true story, it is pretty accurate. Most Aviation units and nearly all Special Forces, are mostly white. Infantry seems about half white, nearly half black, rest hispanic with only a smattering of other races. If you care. It wasn't racist, but people tend to migrate to certain career fields where they are surrounded by like minded people.

OK, that makes sense. They just didn't look like the same mix as the kids in uniform I see around here. And yes, I care, which I why I've carried the question around in my head for like ten years. Thanks!

72 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:45:10pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

They're typically the "righteous anger" ones energized by their various social causes. I you wanna see rage, just express any positive words about Reagan or Bush! They start to bleed from their ears they get so agitated. The ironic part is that they don't even know how fundamentalist they're acting.

73 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:45:37pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that makes sense. They just didn't look like the same mix as the kids in uniform I see around here. And yes, I care, which I why I've carried the question around in my head for like ten years. Thanks!

I would have given you a plastic bag if you needed it!

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:46:08pm

re: #68 Mich-again

Oh the humanity! Cold Snap Causes Christmas Chaos in Europe

To quote a sixteen-year-old student of mine a couple years ago, who had to be treated for glassy shrapnel to the hands and face after putting a firecracker in a Christmas ornament: "I didn't totally balance the equation."

75 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:46:37pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they're acting the part of the spurned lover. Hell hath no fury...

76 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:46:45pm

re: #63 Escaped Hillbilly

Um, Black Hawk down was not only based on a true story, it is pretty accurate. Most Aviation units and nearly all Special Forces, are mostly white. Infantry seems about half white, nearly half black, rest hispanic with only a smattering of other races. If you care. It wasn't racist, but people tend to migrate to certain career fields where they are surrounded by like minded people.

One bit of artistic license the filmmakers took was to put the rangers' names on their helmets, so the audience could tell them apart better. I gather that they don't do that in the real Rangers.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:47:05pm

re: #69 beekiller

When I heard the plot was soldiers/mercenaries working to murder the native people for a private corporation trying to plunder the natural resources of the planet Pandora...I knew wingnuts were going to hate this movie. :D

Well, they thrive on being annoyed, so it's a nice little Christmas present. And the moonbats will find reasons to hate it too--Christmas cheer all around. Pass the ecologically sound egg-nog.

78 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:47:44pm

re: #59 Alouette

Smurfberries.

LOL!

I knew I had seen the plot before.

79 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:48:21pm

re: #69 beekiller

When I heard the plot was soldiers/mercenaries working to murder the native people for a private corporation trying to plunder the natural resources of the planet Pandora...I knew wingnuts were going to hate this movie. :D

I guess they ignore the fact that the protagonist is a Marine. So much for principle.

80 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:48:28pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that makes sense. They just didn't look like the same mix as the kids in uniform I see around here. And yes, I care, which I why I've carried the question around in my head for like ten years. Thanks!

alot, maybe most of our boys, like being ground pounders...it's fairly simple and they love the commeradie of a close quarters unit...I would too I think....there is security in that guy next to you

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:49:02pm

re: #76 The Sanity Inspector

One bit of artistic license the filmmakers took was to put the rangers' names on their helmets, so the audience could tell them apart better. I gather that they don't do that in the real Rangers.

It was hard, though, to tell them apart in full gear, especially in scenes where a lot of shit was on fire, and people were running around and shooting. It did help. And was more realistic than what they do in some historicals, which is have the principals run into battle bare-headed.

82 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:49:24pm

re: #69 beekiller

When I heard the plot was soldiers/mercenaries working to murder the native people for a private corporation trying to plunder the natural resources of the planet Pandora...I knew wingnuts were going to hate this movie. :D

It must be a really miserable feeling to have to filter everything through a right wing lens. You have to hate so much of modern society. No wonder they're so angry all the time.

83 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:49:43pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, they thrive on being annoyed, so it's a nice little Christmas present. And the moonbats will find reasons to hate it too--Christmas cheer all around. Pass the ecologically sound egg-nog.

Cheers!

84 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:50:05pm

re: #76 The Sanity Inspector

One bit of artistic license the filmmakers took was to put the rangers' names on their helmets, so the audience could tell them apart better. I gather that they don't do that in the real Rangers.

They don't, at least not anymore.

85 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:51:09pm

re: #76 The Sanity Inspector

I don't know too many but some Infantry grunts and most Medics do. Some put their blood types on there and a lot have roster numbers. Sometimes its on the sweat band or elastic "turtle" band and sometimes sewn or chalked on the back. Its really up to the Commander. But I'd rather talk about science fiction. I haven't seen Avatar and didn't even realize it was on yet! My son and I are movie geeks and have been waiting for it.

86 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:51:22pm

re: #82 Charles

It must be a really miserable feeling to have to filter everything through a right wing lens. You have to hate so much of modern society. No wonder they're so angry all the time.

Must be like running a background check on a musician before they feel comfortable buying a music CD.

87 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:51:44pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

It was hard, though, to tell them apart in full gear, especially in scenes where a lot of shit was on fire, and people were running around and shooting. It did help. And was more realistic than what they do in some historicals, which is have the principals run into battle bare-headed.

remember the kid in Afghanistan that went to the wall in his 'I love NYC' scivvies, or whatever it was

88 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:51:50pm

re: #82 Charles

It must be a really miserable feeling to have to filter everything through a right wing lens. You have to hate so much of modern society. No wonder they're so angry all the time.

They relate EVERYTHING to wingnut politics. They can't enjoy TV shows,(except 24) movies(librul Hollywood!) and even music. Sad.

89 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:52:08pm

re: #79 Gus 802

I guess they ignore the fact that the protagonist is a Marine. So much for principle.

In flicks like this, wonder why the natives never have one of their own stand up and be their leader? Why must it be a turncoat from the uber-oppressors?

90 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:52:58pm

re: #89 The Sanity Inspector

In flicks like this, wonder why the natives never have one of their own stand up and be their leader? Why must it be a turncoat from the uber-oppressors?

have not seen it yet...

91 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:12pm

re: #84 Jadespring

They don't, at least not anymore.

By anymore I mean back in World War II era they sometimes did.

92 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:26pm

re: #87 albusteve

That kid is my hero. That's huah.

93 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:33pm

The theater I saw it in was nearly empty. When the credits rolled a few people clapped. Several groaned. My wife said it was all she could do to not walk out (she is a liberal democrat). The visuals were amazing - very beautiful.

Overall I liked the movie - but I like predictable hokey movies. I loved Waterworld.

94 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:42pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Must be like running a background check on a musician before they feel comfortable buying a music CD.

Only two cd's pass their test: Hank Williams, Jr and Arlo Guthrie.

95 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:44pm

re: #89 The Sanity Inspector

In flicks like this, wonder why the natives never have one of their own stand up and be their leader? Why must it be a turncoat from the uber-oppressors?

I know what you mean and I've often wondered that myself. So in this case we actually have another white guy coming in to save the day?

96 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:57pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

It was hard, though, to tell them apart in full gear, especially in scenes where a lot of shit was on fire, and people were running around and shooting. It did help. And was more realistic than what they do in some historicals, which is have the principals run into battle bare-headed.

And another thing: that film was LOUD! I listened to it on headphones one time. Can't imagine what it must have been like to live through all 18 hours of the actual battle.

97 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:54:09pm

re: #90 brookly red

have not seen it yet...

Oops, sorry!

98 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:54:41pm

re: #93 Racer X

I knew there was something about I liked! Yay Waterworld!

99 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:54:50pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

"I didn't totally balance the equation."

Foiled by arithmetic!

100 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:00pm

re: #94 beekiller

Only two cd's pass their test: Hank Williams, Jr and Arlo Guthrie.

Arlo Guthrie? Why's that? I always thought of him as being rather left.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:02pm

re: #87 albusteve

remember the kid in Afghanistan that went to the wall in his 'I love NYC' scivvies, or whatever it was

I loved that picture.

Also, it reminded me of my BIL, who once had to take cover somewhere near Kandahar, in the middle of the night, wearing Vlasic Pickle boxers.

102 Virginia Plain  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:23pm

I saw the movie in 3D. Worst mistake I made. I felt nauseous and dizzy throughout. A couple of times I had to close my eyes and center myself.

103 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:45pm

re: #98 Irenicum

oops. Add "you" to that sentence.

104 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:53pm

re: #98 Irenicum

I knew there was something about I liked! Yay Waterworld!

{{Irene}}

Finally!
Someone I can relate to!

105 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:56:02pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Arlo Guthrie? Why's that? I always thought of him as being rather left.

/sssssh, let it be.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:56:04pm

re: #89 The Sanity Inspector

In flicks like this, wonder why the natives never have one of their own stand up and be their leader? Why must it be a turncoat from the uber-oppressors?

Maybe the turncoat has access to the technology? Or the turncoat is more interesting to the audience, since he represents them culturally, and we see the events through his eyes?

107 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:56:28pm

re: #94 beekiller

Only two cd's pass their test: Hank Williams, Jr and Arlo Guthrie.

Hank Williams?...you must be kidding...he's a two fisted brawler with a long record

108 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:56:32pm

re: #103 Irenicum

oops. Add "you" to that sentence.

anywhere, or in between two specific words?

109 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:08pm

re: #104 Racer X

Er,

{{Irenicum}}

PIFW

110 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:10pm

re: #104 Racer X

{{Irene}}

Finally!
Someone I can relate to!

You two and a nun I know in Krasnoyarsk Siberia.

111 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:25pm

re: #105 brookly red

/sssh, let it be.

Oh, I checked.

Nor Luap!

112 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Must be like running a background check on a musician before they feel comfortable buying a music CD.

When it comes to enjoying a performer's art, I take the advice of Raymond Chandler: "If you liked a book, don't meet the author." Best to just mentally divorce the artist from the art, in many cases.

113 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:41pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Be creative! "you" could end up anywhere!

114 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:44pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Arlo Guthrie? Why's that? I always thought of him as being rather left.

He's a freaking Paulian. His dad is rolling in his grave.

115 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:00pm

re: #113 Irenicum

Be creative! "you" could end up anywhere!

And I often have!

116 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:04pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

It's probably easier on the screenwriter to have the audience relate to a human protagonist immediately than take the time to first explain an alien culture and then bring in the alien hero.

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #93 Racer X

The theater I saw it in was nearly empty. When the credits rolled a few people clapped. Several groaned. My wife said it was all she could do to not walk out (she is a liberal democrat). The visuals were amazing - very beautiful.

Overall I liked the movie - but I like predictable hokey movies. I loved Waterworld.

While we agree on many things, movies aren't one of them. If its predictable and hokey, I'm not very interested. But thank you for the review and I'm glad you enjoyed it. My tastes are my own, and I'm glad you had fun.

118 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:28pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

I loved that picture.

Also, it reminded me of my BIL, who once had to take cover somewhere near Kandahar, in the middle of the night, wearing Vlasic Pickle boxers.

that pic was a welcome relief from the tension and fear....a classic for our times

119 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:46pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my G. I imagine the jokes he had to put up with after that. Hope he made it without a scratch.

120 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #112 The Sanity Inspector

When it comes to enjoying a performer's art, I take the advice of Raymond Chandler: "If you liked a book, don't meet the author." Best to just mentally divorce the artist from the art, in many cases.

That's been my policy ever since I found out about the personal life of a musician a while back. I decided then not to care about what they do other than the music they play.

121 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #112 The Sanity Inspector

When it comes to enjoying a performer's art, I take the advice of Raymond Chandler: "If you liked a book, don't meet the author." Best to just mentally divorce the artist from the art, in many cases.

I find it's the same for radio.

122 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:59:18pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Hey, at least it isn't The Postman!

123 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:59:22pm

re: #107 albusteve

Hank Williams?...you must be kidding...he's a two fisted brawler with a long record

Sadly, he's also a wingnut.

124 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:59:40pm

re: #114 beekiller

He's a freaking Paulian. His dad is rolling in his grave.

political background check...I get it now

125 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:59:53pm

re: #114 beekiller

He's a freaking Paulian. His dad is rolling in his grave.

Thanks, just saw that. I would have never guessed.

126 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:00:06pm

re: #112 The Sanity Inspector

When it comes to enjoying a performer's art, I take the advice of Raymond Chandler: "If you liked a book, don't meet the author." Best to just mentally divorce the artist from the art, in many cases.

It's even easier when the artist is dead. I doubt if I'd get on with Richard Wagner, although I do like his music.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:00:43pm

re: #119 Escaped Hillbilly

Oh my G. I imagine the jokes he had to put up with after that. Hope he made it without a scratch.

Thank you--he was fine! The Vlasic Pickle shorts have become something of a family in-joke, however.

128 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:09pm

re: #114 beekiller

He's a freaking Paulian. His dad is rolling in his grave.

Lots of lefties are "Paulians". Here in Atlanta, one of the largest pockets of progessive/ liberals are right around where I work. Last election on the same lawns with signs for the Dem candidate for US senate and the dem candidate for this districts house of reps were Ron Paul for Pres signs. As a matter of fact, the senators and congressmans sigs have been taken down but the Paul signs are still on some of the lawns

129 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:11pm

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

130 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:15pm

re: #126 John Neverbend

It's even easier when the artist is dead. I doubt if I'd get on with Richard Wagner, although I do like his music.

Should the White House play Richard Wagner music.
//

131 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #129 Racer X

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

*Raises hand*

132 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:10pm

re: #129 Racer X

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

*raises hand*

133 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:18pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe the turncoat has access to the technology? Or the turncoat is more interesting to the audience, since he represents them culturally, and we see the events through his eyes?

Maybe. It's not as if indigenous people are incapable of sticking up for themselves using First World methods.

134 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #120 Gus 802

That's been my policy ever since I found out about the personal life of a musician a while back. I decided then not to care about what they do other than the music they play.

the last movie I saw....just killer

Image: apocalypto.jpg

135 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:31pm

re: #129 Racer X

This is scary. (hand raised)

136 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:35pm

re: #129 Racer X

I think people who don't like that movie don't know how to have fun. It reminds me of crazy 50's hijinks movies, like Bringing Up Baby and His Girl Friday, combined with crazy sci-fi blam blam action.

137 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:36pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Should the White House play Richard Wagner music.
//

Dmitri Shostakovich!

/

138 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

Lots of lefties are "Paulians". Here in Atlanta, one of the largest pockets of progessive/ liberals are right around where I work. Last election on the same lawns with signs for the Dem candidate for US senate and the dem candidate for this districts house of reps were Ron Paul for Pres signs. As a matter of fact, the senators and congressmans sigs have been taken down but the Paul signs are still on some of the lawns

A lot of far lefties are alining with the some of the teaparty ideas. Thom Hartmann, a progressive radio talk show host said two weeks ago that the far left and the teaparty people should get together in some way.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

139 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:03:24pm

re: #129 Racer X

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

Raises hand.

140 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:03:42pm

re: #134 albusteve

the last movie I saw...just killer

[Link: www.bookblog.ro...]

Saw a few previews. Looked rather unique and interesting. I forgot what was the last movie I saw -- in a theater that is.

141 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:03:46pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Should the White House play Richard Wagner music.
//

Warum nicht?

142 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:01pm

re: #132 Jadespring

*raises hand*

The Fifth Element... best Sci-fi movie ever made.

143 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:12pm

I want to see this movie, but instead I can just watch the South Park episode called "Dances With Smurfs" again.

144 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:32pm

re: #129 Racer X

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

Raises hand.

145 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:38pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

A lot of far lefties are alining with the some of the teaparty ideas. Thom Hartmann, a progressive radio talk show host said two weeks ago that the far left and the teaparty people should get together in some way.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

yeah , I saw that

146 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:52pm

re: #135 Irenicum

Of course, I do have my reasons.

147 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:05:04pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Saw a few previews. Looked rather unique and interesting. I forgot what was the last movie I saw -- in a theater that is.

TV...I highly recommend it...I normally only sit and stare at football games....this movie was very enjoyable

148 Mark Pennington  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:05:36pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

Lots of lefties are "Paulians". Here in Atlanta, one of the largest pockets of progessive/ liberals are right around where I work. Last election on the same lawns with signs for the Dem candidate for US senate and the dem candidate for this districts house of reps were Ron Paul for Pres signs. As a matter of fact, the senators and congressmans sigs have been taken down but the Paul signs are still on some of the lawns

I knew some college kids that were Paulians but really didn't get what he was all about. Supporting him was like a fad or something. Real lefties would never support a Ron Paul.

As for Arlo Guthrie, he is also against the musicians union and pretty much anything progressive/liberal.

149 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:05:42pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

The Fifth Element... best Sci-fi movie ever made.

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

150 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:19pm

re: #149 Racer X

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

Alien

151 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:20pm

re: #149 Racer X

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

Yep, Blade Runner #1 on my list. :)

152 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:22pm

re: #129 Racer X

Me!

153 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:36pm

re: #149 Racer X

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

Couldn't stand Blade Runner... it was like watching grass grow... maybe the novel was better...

154 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #149 Racer X

Alien had the evil corporation as a character, too.

155 captdiggs  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:45pm

Can't people just enjoy a movie these days?
Haven't seen it yet, but it's definitely on my list.

156 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:02pm

I just saw District 9 last night and I'm thinking it's going to be added to my personal top sci-fi movie list.

157 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:08pm

re: #148 beekiller

I knew some college kids that were Paulians but really didn't get what he was all about. Supporting him was like a fad or something. Real lefties would never support a Ron Paul.

As for Arlo Guthrie, he is also against the musicians union and pretty much anything progressive/liberal.

Arlo is a good guy...he cares about what's happening around him...nobodies perfect...well...maybe Walter

158 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:14pm

re: #148 beekiller

I knew some college kids that were Paulians but really didn't get what he was all about. Supporting him was like a fad or something. Real lefties would never support a Ron Paul.

As for Arlo Guthrie, he is also against the musicians union and pretty much anything progressive/liberal.

The houses that sport those signs aren't owned by "faddish" college kids. It's a very old, well established $$$$ area of Atlanta

159 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:21pm

re: #149 Racer X

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

2001

I didn't like Fifth Element, but I saw it so long ago I don't remember too much about it. Seemed more like action/adventure than sci fi to me.

160 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:48pm

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

I want to see this movie, but instead I can just watch the South Park episode called "Dances With Smurfs" again.

The Smurfs were just the vehicle in that episode, Glen Beck was the actually satire target. Avatar seems close to Dances With Wolves is some ways, though.

/I've never seen DWW except for the opening scene and some fragments. After I sat through The Postman, I vowed to never again sit through another Kostner movie.

161 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:57pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

The Fifth Element... best Sci-fi movie ever made.

Yes and no. If you want to be classical about it; it was 2001.

162 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:08:12pm

So, would this same conservative object to Fifth Element, too? It certainly shows capitalism in a pretty shitty light.

163 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:08:36pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

The Smurfs were just the vehicle in that episode, Glen Beck was the actually satire target. Avatar seems close to Dances With Wolves is some ways, though.

/I've never seen DWW except for the opening scene and some fragments. After I sat through The Postman, I vowed to never again sit through another Kostner movie.

I saw about half of it, on an international flight. I slept through most of it.

164 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:08:40pm

re: #148 beekiller

re: #158 sattv4u2

The houses that sport those signs aren't owned by "faddish" college kids. It's a very old, well established $$$ area of Atlanta

And a very liberal leaning one also

Has been for decades

165 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:08:42pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I prefer dirty dancing with wolves. But that's just me.

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:09:04pm

re: #156 Jadespring

I liked District 9 but probably for a slightly different reason. I almost turned it off half way through before I discovered it was so bad it was good. Once I started laughing I really enjoyed it.

167 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:09:31pm

re: #165 Irenicum

I prefer dirty dancing with wolves. But that's just me.

in bed?

168 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:09:32pm

re: #161 Naso Tang

Yes and no. If you want to be classical about it; it was 2001.

I thought 2001 stunk to high heavens.

169 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:09:50pm

re: #126 John Neverbend

It's even easier when the artist is dead. I doubt if I'd get on with Richard Wagner, although I do like his music.

Leonard Bernstein is supposed to have once said, "Richard Wagner, I hate you. But I hate you on my knees."

170 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:09:56pm

re: #167 Mad Al-Jaffee

What a howler!

171 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:07pm

I shall never tweet.

Tweeting is for those of nano-spanned attentions, happy in the most constrictive of formats.

O shallow and speedy and brain challenged compatriots, seek some quiet and read a really good book, and pause to think about the ideas in it, and write in the margins.

And good luck.

172 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:27pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I liked District 9 but probably for a slightly different reason. I almost turned it off half way through before I discovered it was so bad it was good. Once I started laughing I really enjoyed it.

Why did you think it was so bad?

173 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:36pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

The Fifth Element... best Sci-fi movie ever made.

It's really apples to oranges, but in my book Bladerunner beats it hands down. I do like them both and Fifth is way up there.

174 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:41pm

re: #161 Naso Tang

Yes and no. If you want to be classical about it; it was 2001.

don't confuse innovation with quality...the apes were by far the best part of that movie...the rest was sort of ho hum...I don't want to have to figure out what a movie means...just tell the story and forget all this mysterious endings

175 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:42pm

re: #171 Ojoe

I shall never tweet.

Famous last words....

176 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:43pm

re: #162 Obdicut

So, would this same conservative object to Fifth Element, too? It certainly shows capitalism in a pretty shitty light.

Only to a leftist utopian.

177 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:49pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

I thought 2001 stunk to high heavens.

"Well, that's just like, your opinion, man!"

-The Dude

I think 2001 is one of the greatest movies ever made.

178 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:58pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

I thought 2001 stunk to high heavens.

so did I

179 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:14pm

re: #175 freetoken

I won't ever buy a cell phone either.

180 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:16pm

re: #161 Naso Tang

Yes and no. If you want to be classical about it; it was 2001.

My problem with 2001 is that I just didn't understand the final scenes until after I had read the book.

181 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #171 Ojoe

Ojoe, could you shorten that up a bit. I couldn't keep up with it.
/

182 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:56pm

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

I thought 2001 stunk to high heavens.

I wouldn't say that it stunk though that's one movie that I just was never able to get into.

183 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:07pm

re: #170 Irenicum

What a howler!

Nothin' but the dog in me.

184 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:16pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout
Ok, I confess I didn't know what you were talking about. So I looked it up online and then my son pulled up a trailer for me on some DVD thing so now I have to see it. It looks to weird to not be hilariously good.

185 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:30pm

re: #169 The Sanity Inspector

Leonard Bernstein is supposed to have once said, "Richard Wagner, I hate you. But I hate you on my knees."

'Fore God, an excellent quotation!

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:38pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Should the White House play Richard Wagner music.
//

If I were president, I would have no Wagner music, along with plain Christmas tree balls.

I would also want all-girl Secret Service escorts. Like Khadaffi.

187 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:50pm

re: #129 Racer X

OK, who here loved The 5th Element?

*raises hand*

I did.

188 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #174 albusteve

don't confuse innovation with quality...the apes were by far the best part of that movie...the rest was sort of ho hum...I don't want to have to figure out what a movie means...just tell the story and forget all this mysterious endings

At what age and what year did you see it (2001)? At the time it was revolutionary and far sighted. We are jaded these days, if we are young.

189 Racer X  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:59pm

re: #153 Walter L. Newton

Couldn't stand Blade Runner... it was like watching grass grow... maybe the novel was better...

Yes reading the book prior to watching the movie made it better.

190 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:25pm

re: #149 Racer X

Top 3.

Alien
Blade Runner

John Carpenter's The Thing

191 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:34pm

For those confused by Kubrick's masterpiece (one of his masterpieces?):

[Link: www.kubrick2001.com...]

192 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #180 John Neverbend

My problem with 2001 is that I just didn't understand the final scenes until after I had read the book.

You obviously didn't watch it after having a good joint.

193 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:45pm

re: #177 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Well, that's just like, your opinion, man!"

-The Dude

I think 2001 is one of the greatest movies ever made.

'Frankenstein Goes to Mars' was far better...special effects could not save '2001'

194 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:56pm

re: #179 Ojoe

I won't ever buy a cell phone either.

Does that mean you will never OWN a cell phone, or that you will always get the free ones when you renew your contract?

195 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:14:01pm

re: #189 Racer X

Yes reading the book prior to watching the movie made it better.

Then the movie was a fail. A movie should hold up on it's own, or even exceed the book, if based on a book. If I have to read the book, before or after, then major fail in my opinion.

196 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:14:42pm

re: #188 Naso Tang

in 2001 space is silent, like it really would be.

197 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:14:44pm

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

198 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:15:29pm

re: #183 Mad Al-Jaffee

Quit hounding me!

199 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:15:38pm

5th Element to me (again, from what I can remember) was like Star Wars with more t&a. More action/adventure than anything like sci fi. All of the Star Wars movies to me are action/adventures, with some eastern mysticism and hero's journey mythology stuff thrown in for fun.

200 Gus  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:15:46pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

Dune was an embarrassment. What were those two alien things salt and pepper shakers or garbage cans?

201 brookly red  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:15:47pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

/It came from Capitol Hill... scary!

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:05pm

re: #133 The Sanity Inspector

Maybe. It's not as if indigenous people are incapable of sticking up for themselves using First World methods.

True.

Vaguely apropos of this topic:

Does anyone else remember how freaked out people were about the violence in Amistad?

And, I've heard there's a biopic in the works on Toussaint L'Ouverture, but that Hugo Chavez is involved somehow? Is this real? I would like to see such a movie, but not to support the Chavista film industry, such as it is.

And has anyone else seen The Band's Visit, or Yossi and Jagger, or Ushpizin?

And wouldn't it be interesting for someone to do a biopic of Simon Bolivar?

203 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:14pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

YES, ME WANT RINGWORLD MOVIE!11!
:)

204 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:15pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

If I were president, I would have no Wagner music, along with plain Christmas tree balls.

I'd hire a group of musicians to play the Siegfried Idyll on the morning of my wife's birthday, as was done for their wives by both Wagner and Larry David in Curb Your Enthusiasm.

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:20pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

Yo wouldn't consider The Fifth Element sci-fi?

206 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:28pm

re: #188 Naso Tang

At what age and what year did you see it (2001)? At the time it was revolutionary and far sighted. We are jaded these days, if we are young.

I sat in the front row, tripping on acid, the day it hit Kalamazoo MI, Campus Theater....I was so freaked out with the apes I almost left...a couple of friends did, it was so intense...but I settled down and enjoyed it....afterward, seeing it again I was highly disappointed

207 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:35pm

re: #190 The Sanity Inspector

John Carpenter's The Thing

Terminator 1 and 2, 12 Monkeys.

208 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:36pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Does that mean you will never OWN a cell phone, or that you will always get the free ones when you renew your contract?

point of order

Even if you were to get something for "free" (a gift, or a cell phone for signing uo for another 2 years,, etc) once it's in your possession don't you in fact OWN it?

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #82 Charles

It must be a really miserable feeling to have to filter everything through a right wing lens. You have to hate so much of modern society. No wonder they're so angry all the time.

Imagine being a rock music fan that can only listen to conservative musicians.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:52pm

re: #137 Gus 802

Dmitri Shostakovich!

/

Only if you want people to stand around in the White House and cry. Someone once described Shostakovich as 'music to stack frozen corpses by'.

211 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:56pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

And there are sequels to that too.

212 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

No. I won't own one. They're obnoxious & they cause traffic accidents, and I think it is questionable to hold a little radio transmitter right next to your brain, and turn it on, several times a day.

213 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:14pm

re: #189 Racer X

Yes reading the book prior to watching the movie made it better.

Woah. Usually people say the opposite. If you love the books please do not ever watch any movie adaptation of any Heinlein books. Star Ship Troopers broke my heart.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:34pm

re: #156 Jadespring

I just saw District 9 last night and I'm thinking it's going to be added to my personal top sci-fi movie list.

I do want to see that.

215 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:39pm

re: #201 brookly red

/It came from Capitol Hill... scary!

The worst thing about that movie is the yearly sequels. This year's effort was especially bad. That new guy Barry they had directing it does know his ass from his elbow when it comes to a good script.

///

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:57pm

re: #197 freetoken

Most of what goes by the name of "Science Fiction" is really fantasy, IMO. Now, I like fantasy movies (e.g., LOTR), but I've not seen a hard-sci-fi movie in a long time.

Dune was a bit of a disappointment.

I suppose every diehard Sci-Fi fan is waiting for Ringworld to be made some day.

I'd recommend Sunshine, Primer and Gattaca for some cinematic hard-sci-fi fix. Primer is more of a time travel movie, but it is intensely intricate and treats the subject with a very scientific eye.

217 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:10pm

So, is the consensus that Star Wars isn't really a SF movie? It's certainly space opera in the old fashion.

218 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:19pm

re: #172 Jadespring

The plot was ridiculous. Why did a highly advanced species suddenly become retarded upon arrival to earth? I get the point that they really like cat food but why did they trade their highly advanced weapon systems to oppressive dickheads for catfood when they could shoot everybody and get all the cat food they wanted? The humans wanted them to leave and the aliens wanted to leave but they spent years scavenging through garbage dumps to collect enough drops of fluid to start up their ship. Why didn't they just ask for the garbage fluid? The humans didn't want it and would be happy to see the aliens leave. Why did the same fluid that would start the ship turn you into an alien? They could have changed the human police officer back but they needed the fluid to start the ship. Why didn't he just go along for the ride and they could change him back at the home planet instead of waiting twice as long to change back sitting on earth.
The plot holes were ridiculous. It was comically bad to me.

219 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:20pm

re: #206 albusteve

I sat in the front row, tripping on acid, the day it hit Kalamazoo MI, Campus Theater...I was so freaked out with the apes I almost left...a couple of friends did, it was so intense...but I settled down and enjoyed it...afterward, seeing it again I was highly disappointed

I see your problem. The acid should have been the third course, not the first.

220 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:38pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

point of order

Even if you were to get something for "free" (a gift, or a cell phone for signing uo for another 2 years,, etc) once it's in your possession don't you in fact OWN it?

Yes.
Ojoe said, "I will never buy a cellphone".
I wanted to know if that meant that:
1. He would never OWN a cell phone, or
2. He would be perfectly happy to OWN a cell phone as long as it's one of the freebies.

221 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:40pm

re: #190 The Sanity Inspector

John Carpenter's The Thing

I think one critic described it as "killer Italian food".

222 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:54pm

re: #199 Mad Al-Jaffee

5th Element to me (again, from what I can remember) was like Star Wars with more t&a...

But it was good T&A, very good...

I really couldn't define "sci-fi" well enough to have the definition hold up under intense scrutiny. I think it is just a convenient label attached to "futurist" or space adventures.

Supposedly Sci-fi deals with the results of man's own inventions, among other definitions, the leasing example of which is the atom bomb. But that topic was pretty much played out in the movies of the 50's and the 60's.

223 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:04pm

re: #184 Escaped Hillbilly

Ok, I confess I didn't know what you were talking about. So I looked it up online and then my son pulled up a trailer for me on some DVD thing so now I have to see it. It looks to weird to not be hilariously good.

Get stoned and watch with friends. Goof on it and you'll have a good time.

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:14pm

re: #213 Escaped Hillbilly

Woah. Usually people say the opposite. If you love the books please do not ever watch any movie adaptation of any Heinlein books. Star Ship Troopers broke my heart.

I liked the Verhoeven Starship Troopers. But he really put his own spin on it. I was expecting his spin, because I'm a fan of Verhoeven.

225 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:16pm

re: #207 Mad Al-Jaffee

The Brattle Theater in Boston just finished up a Terry Gilliam marathon this past weekend, including 12 Monkeys. Brilliant!

226 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:35pm

My top films would be
Bladerunner - if nothing else for Pris and Roy Baty's Soliloquoy
Planet of the Apes - Ground breaking and very pro evolution
Star Trek - Wrath of Khan
Jurassic Park
Alien (even though it drifted far from the original ss in "Voyage of the Space Beagle)
Armageddon - based somewhat on something that could really happen

227 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:43pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

Imagine being a rock music fan that can only listen to conservative musicians.

Imagine being a country/western music fan that can only listen to progressive musicians?

{wtf!!}

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:53pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

The Smurfs were just the vehicle in that episode, Glen Beck was the actually satire target. Avatar seems close to Dances With Wolves is some ways, though.

/I've never seen DWW except for the opening scene and some fragments. After I sat through The Postman, I vowed to never again sit through another Kostner movie.

I have never seen DWW all the way through, but I always remember the conversation in Smoke Signals.

"You can't learn to be an Indian by watching Dances With Wolves fifteen times....oh my God, you really have seen it that many times, haven't you?"

229 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:04pm

re: #219 Naso Tang

I see your problem. The acid should have been the third course, not the first.

under the same circumstances 'Fantasia' was a visual and sonic masterpiece

230 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

I won't even use one.

231 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:37pm

re: #206 albusteve

Did you go to WMU?

232 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:48pm

re: #212 Ojoe

No. I won't own one. They're obnoxious & they cause traffic accidents, and I think it is questionable to hold a little radio transmitter right next to your brain, and turn it on, several times a day.

The Roi feels the same way, and refuses to have one.
But honestly - I hardly ever use my phone as, you know, an actual phone.

I use it mostly to keep in touch with my daughter and she will only TEXT. I have the iPhone, so I also use it to browse the news, LGF, or do other things while I'm waiting for appointments. I rarely actually ever use it to talk. And I do NOT use it in the car.

233 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:59pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Get stoned and watch with friends. Goof on it and you'll have a good time.

She's in the military. Big no-no using an sort of drug like that.

234 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:43pm

re: #230 Ojoe

I won't even use one.

Just wrap your earlobes with tinfoil and you'll be okay!

235 MandyManners  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:22:10pm

Ave Maria.


Youtube Video
236 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:22:29pm

re: #231 Irenicum

Did you go to WMU?

yes, 1975 grad

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:22:37pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

The Fifth Element... best Sci-fi movie ever made.

The Fifth Element is good (MOOOLTIPASS!) but I wouldn't put it in the realm of Blade Runner, Alien, 2001, Robocop, or Children of Men.

Though it's a great example of worldbuilding, and it has production design by Mobius, which is pretty righteous.

238 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:22:53pm

re: #199 Mad Al-Jaffee

5th Element to me (again, from what I can remember) was like Star Wars with more t&a. More action/adventure than anything like sci fi. All of the Star Wars movies to me are action/adventures, with some eastern mysticism and hero's journey mythology stuff thrown in for fun.

The Fifth Element totally transcends most science fiction of it's time (and a lot after). Why, because it broke from the memes that were prevalent at the time... no slant eyed aliens, no "mother ship" styled spacecraft, and most of the other trapping that had become the almost inbred images of science fiction up to now.

It was fresh, very, very character oriented, images that were so new and unique, along with that European sensibility (it was a French film).

I could go on and on, but no, this was not Star Wars with more tits and ass, that's far off base.

239 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:22:59pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

Cell phones as receivers are much safer than they are as transmitters.

240 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:07pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Get stoned and watch with friends. Goof on it and you'll have a good time.


huh? you missed the, "I'm in the Army" part? Anyways, you have no idea how goofy I am after a long night with no sleep. Whoopeee. I will.

241 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:09pm

re: #206 albusteve

I sat in the front row, tripping on acid, the day it hit Kalamazoo MI, Campus Theater...I was so freaked out with the apes I almost left...a couple of friends did, it was so intense...but I settled down and enjoyed it...afterward, seeing it again I was highly disappointed

Reminds me of the story of two young Britons who got high on acid and saw Handel's Messiah. It inspired them to form the band Pink Floyd.

242 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:20pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

One of my co-workers demonstrated this iPhone app for me today, it's pretty cool:
Free Software Turns the iPhone Into an E-Book Reader
[Link: www.wired.com...]

243 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:22pm

re: #236 albusteve

yes, 1975 grad

I knew we were the same "vintage"!

244 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:36pm

re: #240 Escaped Hillbilly

Have some beers then.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:43pm

re: #217 The Sanity Inspector

So, is the consensus that Star Wars isn't really a SF movie? It's certainly space opera in the old fashion.

I would call it space opera, or sci-fi-tinged fantasy.

246 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:23:49pm

re: #234 sattv4u2

LGF the fine humor site

LOL

247 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:02pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

I knew we were the same "vintage"!

whaa?...you sniffin my cork again?

248 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

You forgot to mention; it was funny.

249 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

Imagine being a rock music fan that can only listen to conservative musicians.

Sammy Hagar, Alice Cooper, and.....who else...?

250 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:30pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

Yeah exactly. If you're expecting the book version, you're disappointed. It's really a completely different story.

251 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #242 jaunte

One of my co-workers demonstrated this iPhone app for me today, it's pretty cool:
Free Software Turns the iPhone Into an E-Book Reader
[Link: www.wired.com...]

OOOH!
Thanks!

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:48pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Imagine being a country/western music fan that can only listen to progressive musicians?

{wtf!!}

There's only so much Dixie Chicks a man can sit through.

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:50pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

Imagine being a country/western music fan that can only listen to progressive musicians?

{wtf!!}

There's lots of outlaw country to choose from. And of course Willie Nelson, the Dixie Chicks, and David Allan Coe.

But seriously, I'm trying to come up with conservative hard rock. All I can think of is Pantera. And the fake version of Foghat. The guitarist from Dope who played with Static-X is a conservative libertarian, but I think he's in jail now.

254 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:25:37pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

Well, I suppose if one was forced to have a "Sci-Fi" category then T5E would be put in it.

I sort of considered T5E though to be more of a morality play. I saw the movie several times in the theater - I still think it is one of the more entertaining movies to be made under the rubric of "Sci-Fi".

It is yet another contemplation on the Atom Bomb, and I consider T5E to be part of that genre, though sexed-up quite a bit.

255 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:25:39pm

re: #236 albusteve

Very cool. I always heard it was a serious party school. I have several friends who have gone and are going now. I went to Hope up the road in Holland 01 grad.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:25:40pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

The Fifth Element is good (MOOOLTIPASS!) but I wouldn't put it in the realm of Blade Runner, Alien, 2001, Robocop, or Children of Men.

Though it's a great example of worldbuilding, and it has production design by Mobius, which is pretty righteous.

Firefly--I don't know what it is, but I like it.

257 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:01pm

Of course there's a whole genre of post apocalyptic SF movies, Road Warrior, Damnation Alley, Escape from NY, etc. etc. I keep them separate from the other films in my categorization.

258 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:08pm

re: #251 reine.de.tout

OOOH!
Thanks!

In keeping with the science fiction theme:

First, head to the App Store and grab the free download of Stanza. It comes with one book: H.G. Wells’ The Time Machine


[Link: www.wired.com...]

259 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:21pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

Only if you want people to stand around in the White House and cry. Someone once described Shostakovich as 'music to stack frozen corpses by'.

Actually, some of it is quite "jolly". The Festive Overture is really quite a blast. I've played it. It starts to rock after 1 minute, 6 seconds.

Youtube Video
260 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:21pm

re: #239 Ojoe

Cell phones as receivers are much safer than they are as transmitters.

Yeah, you can even have the same safety level without owning one, even.

261 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:47pm

So, no fans of Sleeper here? :)

262 captdiggs  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

Yo wouldn't consider The Fifth Element sci-fi?

I loved The Fifth Element. A teen niece of mine is getting it from me for Christmas.
It was Sci-fi...but with a comedic edge. Lots of fun.

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Firefly--I don't know what it is, but I like it.

Space Western! The TV show is better than the movie.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:56pm

re: #241 The Sanity Inspector

Reminds me of the story of two young Britons who got high on acid and saw Handel's Messiah. It inspired them to form the band Pink Floyd.

True quote from a friend of mine on an acid trip. (BTW, she did not intend to take the acid. Some shitheads slipped it in her drink. They are lucky she is a relaxed soul...)

"I'm looking at the face of God. And you know, I'm not that impressed."

265 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:09pm

re: #254 freetoken

Well, I suppose if one was forced to have a "Sci-Fi" category then T5E would be put in it.

I sort of considered T5E though to be more of a morality play. I saw the movie several times in the theater - I still think it is one of the more entertaining movies to be made under the rubric of "Sci-Fi".

It is yet another contemplation on the Atom Bomb, and I consider T5E to be part of that genre, though sexed-up quite a bit.

Then why don't you tell me then what you consider "science fiction." AGW deniers?

Most good cinema is a morality play. Bonnie and Clyde is a morality play.

Can you be a little more specific.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:26pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

Space Western! The TV show is better than the movie.

Yeah, although the movie was not half bad. Losing Wash made me cry, though.

267 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:29pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, no fans of Sleeper here? :)

"My brain? That's my second favourite organ." Great movie.

268 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:32pm

SUPPER...

269 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:42pm

re: #239 Ojoe

Cell phones as receivers are much safer than they are as transmitters.

Ojoe

A cell phone receives such a low RF signal that you would have to have the thing in your ear , recieving, for 24/7 for about 15 straight years prior to you getting any ill effects

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:45pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, no fans of Sleeper here? :)

I like Sleeper! Been ages since I saw it.

I tend towards more surreal stuff, like Dark City, City of Lost Children, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. What category does Fantastic Planet fall into? It's sorta sci-fi, sorta acid-trip surrealism...

Also, find me a more terrifying antagonist than a robot Yul Brenner!

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:08pm

re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, although the movie was not half bad. Losing Wash made me cry, though.

I KNOW. Wash was my favorite. ;_;

272 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:09pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

The haute couture fashion is what made it so visually stunning and over the top. The French fashion designer is escaping me but that really made it so much more fun.

273 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:13pm

re: #255 Irenicum

Very cool. I always heard it was a serious party school. I have several friends who have gone and are going now. I went to Hope up the road in Holland 01 grad.

a good friend of mine graduated from Hope...a fine school, congratulations...yeah WMU used to make the Playboy Magazine party school riff....I was there

274 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

There's lots of outlaw country to choose from. And of course Willie Nelson, the Dixie Chicks, and David Allan Coe.

Wayne Hancock
Hank Williams III (traditional country on record, switches to death/speed metal during parts of his show)
Dwight Yokum
Junior Brown
Gillian Welch

275 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:43pm

re: #270 WindUpBird

I like Sleeper! Been ages since I saw it.

I tend towards more surreal stuff, like Dark City, City of Lost Children, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. What category does Fantastic Planet fall into? It's sorta sci-fi, sorta acid-trip surrealism...

Also, find me a more terrifying antagonist than a robot Yul Brenner!

How about Dark Star? It was weird, low budget, but pretty good.

276 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:23pm

re: #273 albusteve

Thanks. I loved it. Crazy ass expensive, but well worth it.

277 jaunte  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:24pm

A robot Dwight Yoakum would be pretty scary.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:34pm

re: #274 Mad Al-Jaffee

ahaha I forgot about Hank III! I'm no expert on country, I should probably have remembered Dwight Yoakam, though XD

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:40pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Then why don't you tell me then what you consider "science fiction." AGW deniers?

Most good cinema is a morality play. Bonnie and Clyde is a morality play.

Can you be a little more specific.

I can see Bonnie and Clyde as a morality play, though the Texas Rangers did themselves resort to the underhanded tactic of an ambush to eliminate them. Then again, as the most recent addition to Murphy's Laws of Combat states:

If you find yourself in a fair fight, someone screwed up.

280 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:50pm

re: #275 John Neverbend

How about Dark Star? It was weird, low budget, but pretty good.

I loved Dark Star :D

281 reine.de.tout  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:30:56pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

I knew we were the same "vintage"!

As am I.

282 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:31:06pm

re: #277 jaunte

You know you're on a fun blog when you look up and see that quote!

283 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:31:07pm

Fahrenheit 451

284 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

The plot was ridiculous. Why did a highly advanced species suddenly become retarded upon arrival to earth? I get the point that they really like cat food but why did they trade their highly advanced weapon systems to oppressive dickheads for catfood when they could shoot everybody and get all the cat food they wanted? The humans wanted them to leave and the aliens wanted to leave but they spent years scavenging through garbage dumps to collect enough drops of fluid to start up their ship. Why didn't they just ask for the garbage fluid? The humans didn't want it and would be happy to see the aliens leave. Why did the same fluid that would start the ship turn you into an alien? They could have changed the human police officer back but they needed the fluid to start the ship. Why didn't he just go along for the ride and they could change him back at the home planet instead of waiting twice as long to change back sitting on earth.
The plot holes were ridiculous. It was comically bad to me.

Well I won't argue too much but I think you missed some of the read between the lines stuff. They never said exactly why the aliens that lived got in such a bad state but it was implied and made perfect sense to me and since their tech was based on biology and genetics the fluid likely had a bio component as well, hence the transformation. As for the other stuff, that was just part of the plot. The guy did plan to get onto the ship with the other guy to get the treatment but that got screwed up and he basically sacrificed himself so the other guy could get away.

285 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:31:40pm

re: #253 WindUpBird

There's lots of outlaw country to choose from. And of course Willie Nelson, the Dixie Chicks, and David Allan Coe.

But seriously, I'm trying to come up with conservative hard rock. All I can think of is Pantera. And the fake version of Foghat. The guitarist from Dope who played with Static-X is a conservative libertarian, but I think he's in jail now.

The point wasn't an excersize to find conservative rockers of progressive CW artists, it was why would you limit yourself. Yes, I know SOME righties didn;t go to Dixie Chics concerts and some lefties won;t go to Ted Nugent concert. But those are the exception, not the rule

286 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:00pm

re: #277 jaunte

A robot Dwight Yoakum would be pretty scary.

Especially if it was his character from Sling Blade.

287 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:16pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

As am I.

Cool ,,, HS class of '71!

288 Achilles Tang  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:25pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

Ojoe

A cell phone receives such a low RF signal that you would have to have the thing in your ear , recieving, for 24/7 for about 15 straight years prior to you getting any ill effects

I'm getting that tingly feeling somewhere about this conversation. You are getting what you imagine are ill effects whether you you own a phone or not and the ill effects of talking on one (transmitting) have been proven to the same degree that ID has.

OK?

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:42pm

re: #271 WindUpBird

I KNOW. Wash was my favorite. ;_;

"Her legs...well, not her legs, but where her lower back joins on to her legs...have you ever made love to a woman warrior?"

290 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #259 John Neverbend

Actually, some of it is quite "jolly". The Festive Overture is really quite a blast. I've played it. It starts to rock after 1 minute, 6 seconds.


[Video]

And the first movement of his 9th symphony is pretty merry, too. In fact, he got into hot water with Stalin because of it. That symphony was supposed to be a solemn, bombastic commemoration of Soviet victory in WWII, and it was instead, well...

Youtube Video
291 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:04pm

re: #269 sattv4u2

That's right, and you get the same incoming rf power level everywhere in most coverage areas wether you are a human with a cell phone, or one without, or a cat for that matter.

292 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

Classic Woody! My father took me to see it when I was a little kid. My parents were so cool!

293 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:56pm

re: #276 Irenicum

Thanks. I loved it. Crazy ass expensive, but well worth it.

I send my daughter to Grand Valley and two years later my son to Ann Arbor...I know all about expensive...it appears to be worth it, my boy is still in dental school in Fla at Nova in Lauderdale...$$$$$$$$$...etc

294 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:34:23pm

Oh cool, a sci fi thread.

Has anyone mentioned Forbidden Planet?

Youtube Video
295 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:35:07pm

re: #291 Ojoe

That's right, and you get the same incoming rf power level everywhere in most coverage areas wether you are a human with a cell phone, or one without, or a cat for that matter.

Correct. It's all about the wave form and the RF frequency and power

296 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:35:12pm

Re sci fi

"Galaxy Quest" is pretty cool,

& Disney's original 20,000 leagues under the sea has a Victorian Submarine.

You can't do better than a Victorian Submarine. I wish I had one.

297 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:35:31pm

the best sci-fi movie ever was the 'Blob'...end of debate

298 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:36:14pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

I have never seen DWW all the way through, but I always remember the conversation in Smoke Signals.

"You can't learn to be an Indian by watching Dances With Wolves fifteen times...oh my God, you really have seen it that many times, haven't you?"

Ha ha. I loved that movie. Most FN people I know loathe Dances With Wolves.

299 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:36:30pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Then why don't you tell me then what you consider "science fiction." AGW deniers?


Heh... good one.

I'm not sure I like the term "science fiction" and I tend to not use it when describing movies, unless other people insist on using the term.

Agree that a great deal of entertainment, serious work, fall under "morality play". Most of entertainment to me appears to be "escapist", but some, the meaty stuff, are morality plays.

Other than the really big tent categories (drama vs. comedy, fiction vs. non-fiction, etc.) I tend to try and not pigeon-hole a movie (or TV show.) E.g., T5E was fiction, it was also a fantasy, a comedy (in part), and a morality play. It was well done in that a variety of audiences could get something out of it - the escapist could just enjoy the visual treat, while the more studious could appreciate the moral statements.

300 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:37:47pm

re: #298 Jadespring

Ha ha. I loved that movie. Most FN people I know loathe Dances With Wolves.

who are FN people?..and aside from the doofus Costner, Dances With Wolves was excellent...what'dya want?

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:37:59pm

re: #298 Jadespring

Ha ha. I loved that movie. Most FN people I know loathe Dances With Wolves.

Thomas Builds-the-Fire is a special soul.

He does look good after his make-over, doesn't he?

302 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:38:13pm

re: #296 Ojoe

Blue...
Star.

303 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:38:31pm

re: #226 Thanos

Planet of the Apes has always been one of my favorites too. You're right it is quite pro evolution, but it was also very political and explicit about race issues. Rod Serling was the creative force behind it, and for me that's enough to give it a green light. I will always extol his virtues. A progressive voice who was also incredibly creative. His plot-lines of the Twilight Zone were, as often as not, very political, but with Martians obscuring the political content. Brilliant! There's a great interview he did with Mike Wallace about that. I'll see if youtube might have it.

304 John Neverbend  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:38:55pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Oh cool, a sci fi thread.

Has anyone mentioned Forbidden Planet?

[Video]

Here's a classic scene from Dark Star.

Youtube Video
305 captdiggs  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:39:38pm

Alien would be my vote for all time best Sci-fi movie.
What struck me when I saw it first was the gritty *realistic* depiction of a commercial space operation.

306 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:40:20pm

re: #300 albusteve

who are FN people?..and aside from the doofus Costner, Dances With Wolves was excellent...what'dya want?

Oh sorry. FN = First Nations It's a more Canadian reference.

307 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:40:46pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

The point wasn't an excersize to find conservative rockers of progressive CW artists, it was why would you limit yourself. Yes, I know SOME righties didn;t go to Dixie Chics concerts and some lefties won;t go to Ted Nugent concert. But those are the exception, not the rule

Of course, I know. But the exercise is still fun. ;-)

For the record, I love the Nuge. I have totally shouted along with Stranglehold in my car. I have done that. I even love his shitty 90's supergroup, Damn Yankees.

308 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:40:53pm

re: #303 Irenicum

2001 is the best movie about evolution ever made.

309 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:41:39pm

re: #306 Jadespring

Oh sorry. FN = First Nations It's a more Canadian reference.

we just call them Indians here in New Mexico

310 Ojoe  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:41:39pm

re: #308 Mad Al-Jaffee

The bone turning into the spaceship is quite a dissolve.

311 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:41:49pm

re: #293 albusteve

Yeah. I have friends in both of those Mich schools too. Both very good. Education is never cheap, but ignorance is even more expensive.

312 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:42:03pm

If you like Galaxy Quest, see the British tv show Red Dwarf.

313 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:42:06pm

re: #303 Irenicum

Planet of the Apes has always been one of my favorites too.

I hate every ape I see
From Chimpan-A to chimpanzee...

/back when the Simpsons was still awesome

314 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:42:16pm

Total Recall is one of my favorites.

315 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:42:58pm

re: #314 NJDhockeyfan

Total Recall is one of my favorites.

"I'm not Hauser, I'm Quaid!"

316 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:43:28pm

re: #313 WindUpBird

I hate every ape I see
From Chimpan-A to chimpanzee...

/back when the Simpsons was still awesome

"Have you ever seen Planet of the Apes?"

"The planet, or the movie?"

317 Jadespring  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:45:01pm

re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist

Thomas Builds-the-Fire is a special soul.

He does look good after his make-over, doesn't he?

Yes he does. :) Victor looks pretty good too. Look good in real life too.

318 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:45:35pm

re: #314 NJDhockeyfan

You just liked the three breasted chick!

319 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:46:47pm

re: #315 The Sanity Inspector

"I'm not Hauser, I'm Quaid!"

Think about Total Recall for a moment. I contend that Total Recall is one of the most unrestrained movies in terms of imagery ever made. If you look at it as a laundry list of crazy scenes, it's astounding.

Arnie wearing a malfunctioning robotic woman head that turns into a bomb and yells a one liner before exploding
Evil robot cab-driver that looks like Don Knotts
Mutant hooker with erm, additional endowments
Midget hooker standing on a bar with a machine gun
A guy in a drill machine. A DRILL MACHINE
Duplicate holographic Quaids
Eyeball-bulging-out decompression scene on Mars
Arnie pulling a gigantic tracking orb out of his nose
"See you at the party, Richter!" with the severed arms
Schizoid embolism scene where the creepy doctor tries to convince Quaid he's trapped in his own delusion

and of course I can quote the whole damn thing. :D

320 albusteve  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:46:51pm

re: #311 Irenicum

Yeah. I have friends in both of those Mich schools too. Both very good. Education is never cheap, but ignorance is even more expensive.

I could not be more proud of my kids...they each had a different college experience, but visited each other often in those years and hung out alot together...had mutual cross state friends etc...kept us very busy, but GVSC was about an hour and UM about 90min from home...we went through the whole thing with both of them....just an awesome 4 years for my ex and I...awesome

321 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:47:10pm

re: #318 Irenicum
I liked the eyeball popping effects, literally. Who cares if it wouldn't work that way.

322 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:47:39pm

re: #318 Irenicum

You just liked the three breasted chick!

You have a dirty mind:

SMACK!

323 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:47:55pm

I really need to either
A) get a life
or
B) stop working so much
or
C) stop watching so much sports and nature/ travel TV shows

Out of all the movies that have been named above, I think I've seen two of them

(and I think I walked out of one of the 2)

324 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:48:11pm

Actually, one of my favorite sci fi movies ever is Lathe of Heaven, by Ursula Le Guin. Truly amazing.

325 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:48:23pm

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

You have a dirty mind:

SMACK!

"You make me wish I had THREE HANDS!"

326 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:51:47pm

re: #319 WindUpBird

You're right. It was a damn fine movie. Arnie ruled in that movie!

327 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:52:58pm

Ooh, new thread!

328 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:53:02pm

More sci fi movies on my favorite list...

RoboCop
Jurassic Park
A Clockwork Orange
Mad Max
The Road Warrior
The Abyss
Escape from New York
Godzilla
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Logan’s Run
Fantastic Voyage
Altered States
Predator
Rollerball
War of the Worlds
The Time Machine
Death Race 2000
The Last Starfighter

329 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:53:26pm

re: #318 Irenicum

You just liked the three breasted chick!

Who doesn't like that?

330 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:53:58pm

re: #299 freetoken

Heh... good one.

I'm not sure I like the term "science fiction" and I tend to not use it when describing movies, unless other people insist on using the term.

Agree that a great deal of entertainment, serious work, fall under "morality play". Most of entertainment to me appears to be "escapist", but some, the meaty stuff, are morality plays.

Other than the really big tent categories (drama vs. comedy, fiction vs. non-fiction, etc.) I tend to try and not pigeon-hole a movie (or TV show.) E.g., T5E was fiction, it was also a fantasy, a comedy (in part), and a morality play. It was well done in that a variety of audiences could get something out of it - the escapist could just enjoy the visual treat, while the more studious could appreciate the moral statements.

You're really Obama, aren't you?

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:54:30pm

Pitch Black, anyone?

332 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:55:14pm

re: #328 NJDhockeyfan

Any list I made would have to include Forbidden Planet. Robby the Robot totally rocks that movie. Manages to be serious, entertaining, not overly cheesy for its age, and almost no special effects.

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:56:27pm

re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist

Pitch Black, anyone?

A Vin Diesel fan, I see.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:57:20pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

A Vin Diesel fan, I see.


Not especially, just saw it at a friend's house some years ago. Thought it wasn't half bad.

335 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:58:04pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

You're really Obama, aren't you?

This is the 21st century Walter ... time to update your paradigms!

336 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #328 NJDhockeyfan

More sci fi movies on my favorite list...

RoboCop
Jurassic Park
A Clockwork Orange
Mad Max
The Road Warrior
The Abyss
Escape from New York
Godzilla
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Logan’s Run
Fantastic Voyage
Altered States
Predator
Rollerball
War of the Worlds
The Time Machine
Death Race 2000
The Last Starfighter

out of your list, i've seen exactly 4 of them (that is, if you meant the original versions of War of the Worlds and The Time Machine)

I've seen parts of a couple fo the others, but wasn;'t interested enough to see the entire movie

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:01:33pm

And if we're speaking of the The Time Machine--Time After Time!

338 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:01:44pm

Here's an obscure SF flick you might find interesting: Simon, starring Alan Arkin

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:02:11pm

Oh, and Torchwood. I like Torchwood. Has nothing to do with how hot everyone on the the show is.

340 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:02:34pm

All of this sci fi talk and NO mention of the often quoted Ed Wood classic, Plan 9 From Outer Space!

341 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:03:18pm

re: #340 Mad Al-Jaffee

All of this sci fi talk and NO mention of the often quoted Ed Wood classic, Plan 9 From Outer Space!

That's more of an Unintentionally Hilarious Movie.

342 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:03:33pm

The Red Planet. Those flying cockroaches that ate people scared the you know what out of me. I lived in Georgia at the time and the palmetto bug bears an unfortunate resemblence.

343 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:03:58pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

out of your list, i've seen exactly 4 of them (that is, if you meant the original versions of War of the Worlds and The Time Machine)

I've seen parts of a couple fo the others, but wasn;'t interested enough to see the entire movie

I've seen them all and they are all great. And yes, I did mean the original versions of War of the Worlds and The Time Machine. I don't want to see the remakes. I'm afraid it will spoil the originals.

344 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:04:47pm

re: #319 WindUpBird

Damn it! You made me upding you, again!
LOL!

345 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:06:25pm

re: #338 The Sanity Inspector

Here's an obscure SF flick you might find interesting: Simon, starring Alan Arkin

Here is another one, Zardoz starring Sean Connery.

Youtube Video
346 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:07:32pm

re: #343 NJDhockeyfan

One thing the new Time Machine did right (maybe only thing), they kept the changing window scene, albeit abbreviated and updated. Theyr politicized it in a new way so the message was slightly// altered.

347 Kewalo  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:09:47pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

My son is the movie freak in our household and when I told him about the current conversation...he said for me to type Lilu Multipass. No, I don't understand at all.

348 Escaped Hillbilly  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:11:19pm

re: #336 sattv4u2
Oh, they remade Deathrace 2000 too. Haven't seen it. My kiddo said it wasn't worth the time. And he likes cheesy movies as much as I do. Frankenstein! We still joke about "points."

349 sattv4u2  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #348 Escaped Hillbilly

Oh, they remade Deathrace 2000 too. Haven't seen it. My kiddo said it wasn't worth the time. And he likes cheesy movies as much as I do. Frankenstein! We still joke about "points."

Didn't see the original
Won't see the remake

350 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:33:08pm

O come O come Emmanuel is by far my favorite Christmas hymn out there.
Here's a version done by Sufjan Stevens, also from Hope College:

Youtube Video
351 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:15pm

O come O come Emmanuel is by far my favorite Christmas hymn out there. Here's a version done by Sufjan Stevens, also from Hope College:

Youtube Video
352 Irenicum  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:52pm

re: #351 Irenicum
aw crap. the wrong thread twice over. Time for bed.

353 freetoken  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:38:50pm

re: #351 Irenicum

Agree that it is one of the best of the Christmas songs.

Don't worry about the thread... every thread can be a Christmas song thread!

354 BlackFedora  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:51:06pm

*sigh*

I tend to concern myself with actual reality than worry about what sort of nefarious messages lurk in movies. Life is just too short.

355 doubter4444  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:05:17pm

re: #82 Charles

It must be a really miserable feeling to have to filter everything through a right wing lens. You have to hate so much of modern society. No wonder they're so angry all the time.

They must hate Disney too, Pocahontas is essentially the same story.
My daughter loved it. I guess I'm contributing to the delinquency of a minor

356 What, me worry?  Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:14:36pm

re: #319 WindUpBird

Think about Total Recall for a moment. I contend that Total Recall is one of the most unrestrained movies in terms of imagery ever made. If you look at it as a laundry list of crazy scenes, it's astounding.

Arnie wearing a malfunctioning robotic woman head that turns into a bomb and yells a one liner before exploding
Evil robot cab-driver that looks like Don Knotts
Mutant hooker with erm, additional endowments
Midget hooker standing on a bar with a machine gun
A guy in a drill machine. A DRILL MACHINE
Duplicate holographic Quaids
Eyeball-bulging-out decompression scene on Mars
Arnie pulling a gigantic tracking orb out of his nose
"See you at the party, Richter!" with the severed arms
Schizoid embolism scene where the creepy doctor tries to convince Quaid he's trapped in his own delusion

and of course I can quote the whole damn thing. :D

But was it racist? lol

I missed an Avatar thread :(

357 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:30:04am

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Oh cool, a sci fi thread.

Has anyone mentioned Forbidden Planet?


[Video]

Outstanding movie.

There is currently a "prequel" of some sort in production. I think it's due out next year.

I am not getting my hopes up.

358 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:35:39am

re: #304 John Neverbend

Here's a classic scene from Dark Star.


[Video]

Descartes wins again...for now.

Another great film. It's been years since I've seen that.

359 oldegeezr  Thu, Dec 24, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #63 Escaped Hillbilly

“…It wasn't racist, but people tend to migrate to certain career fields where they are surrounded by like minded people.

With respect to the four different [12 man] A-Teams, I served with in Vietnam [1962-66]; my first, had two very brave and courageous black men enlisted.

The very unpopular Iraq War has had a deleterious effect with respect to the racial demographics and enlistments from 2001 thru 2006.

“Despite the sharp decline in enlistments, the percentage of blacks in the military still slightly exceeds that of the general population: 14.5 percent in the military, as of 2005, versus 12.8 percent in the US population…"

You are correct EH…since many if not all of these groups are totally voluntary; people do tend to migrate to the career field of their choice.


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