Re: Tim Blair’s Latest Glover Goofiness

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Tim Blair is still outrageously outraged that Danny Glover said global warming caused the Haitian earthquake. (He didn’t.)

Blair links to a Bill O’Reilly segment that blatantly misquotes what Glover did say:

Youtube Video

Here’s the misquote:

There’s all this hell because of global warming, there’s all this hell because of climate change …

What Glover actually did say:

You know, they’re all in peril because of global warming, they’re all in peril because of climate change and all this.

But “all this hell” makes Glover look worse than “all in peril,” so of course Fox News runs with the false transcription.

Tim Blair, meanwhile, updates his post to take another predictable shot at me, because I linked to a story about Scott Ritter’s arrest in a sex sting with a comment about Ritter’s 180-degree turnaround on Iraq:

Be amazed as Johnson mentions someone else’s 180-degree turn.

I changed my opinion on global warming, as I’ve written before, because I took the time and effort to educate myself on the subject and learned that it wasn’t a hoax after all. The scientists weren’t lying. There’s no grand conspiracy to trick the world. I changed my mind because of facts and evidence.

But one thing you’ll obviously never have to worry about: Tim Blair changing his mind on anything.

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759 comments
1 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:38:42am

Great post. I am a former denier too. I changed my mind by looking facts and Peter Sinclair's videos and not at people other than Al Gore and James Hanson, both of whom are intellectual lightweights.

2 mrosett  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:42:12am

There are other things that you've changed your mind on...

3 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:42:40am

I would change my mind if I ever turned out to be wrong.

/hubris

The trouble as I see it is that so many people utterly despair of understanding any science at all. So they fall back on judging character and motives.

Liberals and green activists play into the hands of the hacks who want us to move along and see nothing when they exaggerate the case or insist that their own particular pet answer is the only possible response to the problem. It's easy enough to see through such machinations, and the public then concludes that they've seen enough smoke and mirrors to judge that the whole thing is smoke and mirrors.

4 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:46:38am

re: #1 YoungLibertarian92

What was most persuasive to you?

5 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:49:34am

re: #2 mrosett

Smart people are continuously looking at information and facts and adjusting their viewpoint accordingly.

I don't have the same views I did when I was 18; and today's viewpoint is different from what it will be when I'm 80.

What remains constant are usually a person's values, not his/her opinions.

6 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:50:24am

Expanding on my previous post, here's a case in point where climate scientists did the right thing and shot down an alarmist report.

An IPCC report announced that respected scientists had determined that the glaciers would very likely be gone by 2035. Not so, said the scientific community. There is a problem. It's real. It affects those glaciers. But the report is bad science and it exaggerates.
Himalayan glaciers not destined to be gone by 2035

7 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:02:33pm

OT but, looks like NYT will start charging for content soon.

The decision to go paid is monumental for the Times, and culminates a yearlong debate that grew contentious, people close to the talks say. In favor of a paid model were Keller and managing editor Jill Abramson. Nisenholtz and former deputy managing editor Jon Landman, who was until recently in charge of nytimes.com, advocated for a free site.

Looks as if it will be meter model (like FT).

[Link: nymag.com...]

8 metrolibertarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:08:01pm

re: #7 ethics

Because it worked so well the first time the New York Times decided to charge for content.

9 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:09:04pm

re: #2 mrosett

There are other things that you've changed your mind on...

You don't say!

10 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:10:22pm

re: #8 metrolibertarian

Because it worked so well the first time the New York Times decided to charge for content.

Right?

11 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:11:25pm

re: #10 ethics

Right?

Hard to be a toll keeper when the gates are down.

12 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:17:04pm

re: #8 metrolibertarian

Because it worked so well the first time the New York Times decided to charge for content.

I'll send them "checks" when their coverage "balances."

13 blueraven  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:17:51pm

re: #2 mrosett

There are other things that you've changed your mind on...

Do you have a problem with that, or are you just prone to stating the bloody obvious?

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:18:36pm

re: #6 lostlakehiker

I googled one of the authors. I don't think I'd take him seriously.

15 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:19:57pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I googled one of the authors. I don't think I'd take him seriously.

Which one?

16 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:21:56pm

re: #6 lostlakehiker

Expanding on my previous post, here's a case in point where climate scientists did the right thing and shot down an alarmist report.

An IPCC report announced that respected scientists had determined that the glaciers would very likely be gone by 2035. Not so, said the scientific community. There is a problem. It's real. It affects those glaciers. But the report is bad science and it exaggerates.
Himalayan glaciers not destined to be gone by 2035

Normally, I'd take this story at face value, but based on the fact that the ONLY source I've found so far for this story are Rupert Murdoch-owned newspapers, and given his history of being a major player in the AGW-denier movement, would it be possible to find an independent source? The IPCC website has absolutely nothing on this.
Link to IPCC

17 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:22:27pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

I googled one of the authors. I don't think I'd take him seriously.


Ah, he's they guy who wrote this gem: A particle God doesn’t want us to discover

Could the Large Hadron Collider be sabotaging itself from the future, as some physicists say

He's pretty anti-science for a science writer.

18 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:26:59pm

re: #3 lostlakehiker

Liberals and green activists play into the hands of the hacks who want us to move along and see nothing....

Which liberals and green activists are you talking about?

19 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:27:07pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

He's pretty anti-science for a science writer.

Except for the fact that most of the people he wrote about in that article are climate scientist and not anti-science, and they admit there was a problem with the original math...

"Last week the IPCC refused to comment so it has yet to explain how someone who admits to little expertise on glaciers was overseeing such a report. Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public."

It was climate scientist that made this public, not the reporter.

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. It appears that it doesn't matter what the reporter's point of view is, any intelligent person reading the article will easily see that there is a lot of valid science and scientist now questioning this. It's not the opinion of the reporter.

20 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:31:43pm

re: #19 Walter L. Newton

Except for the fact that most of the people he wrote about in that article are climate scientist and not anti-science, and they admit there was a problem with the original math...

"Last week the IPCC refused to comment so it has yet to explain how someone who admits to little expertise on glaciers was overseeing such a report. Perhaps its one consolation is that the blunder was spotted by climate scientists who quickly made it public."

It was climate scientist that made this public, not the reporter.

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. It appears that it doesn't matter what the reporter's point of view is, any intelligent person reading the article will easily see that there is a lot of valid science and scientist now questioning this. It's not the opinion of the reporter.

And further, it seems that the originators of the information have admitted...

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.

"It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research."

So it seems that the reporter is just... er... reporting and his personal opinion certainly has nothing to do with the science in the article.

21 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:31:57pm
There’s no grand conspiracy to trick the world. I changed my mind because of facts and evidence.

Well how about this which is now front page of The Australian today. United Nations' blunder on glaciers exposed

22 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:34:06pm

re: #21 elle Plater

Well how about this which is now front page of The Australian today. United Nations' blunder on glaciers exposed

How about it?

23 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:35:42pm

re: #22 Jeff In Ohio

How about it?

Did you read the article?

24 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:37:47pm

Re: Football

Turn out the lights, the party's over...
(best Don Meredith voice)

25 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:37:52pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

Did you read the article?

Yes, I did.

26 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:38:06pm

Ruh roh Dallas.

27 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:38:37pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Yes, I did.

And what did you think of it?

28 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:38:56pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Ruh roh Dallas.

Toast.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:40:12pm

Dallas?

30 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:40:13pm

re: #28 brookly red

Toast.

Score please. I'm at work.

31 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:40:50pm

re: #30 AmeriDan

Score please. I'm at work.

27 to 3...

32 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:41:23pm

re: #31 brookly red

Ouch, and thank you.

33 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:42:49pm

re: #6 lostlakehiker

Expanding on my previous post, here's a case in point where climate scientists did the right thing and shot down an alarmist report.

An IPCC report announced that respected scientists had determined that the glaciers would very likely be gone by 2035. Not so, said the scientific community. There is a problem. It's real. It affects those glaciers. But the report is bad science and it exaggerates.
Himalayan glaciers not destined to be gone by 2035

Actually it was the scientists who exaggerated and caused the alarm.

But the scientists behind the warning have now admitted it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's report.

It was scientist NOT involved in the IPCC that were critical of it.

34 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:42:58pm

re: #32 AmeriDan

Ouch, and thank you.

Oh my pleasure :)

35 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:43:12pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

And what did you think of it?

I guess Jeff In Ohio has no opinion.

36 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:43:24pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Since it is the exact same story in a different Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper written by Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings as has been previously linked, my reaction is the same as it was before.

Independent Source Please.

Otherwise, I consider it as just another astroturfing attempt.

37 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:44:12pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dallas?

Bee Jees, can it get any worse? Will the sun rise tomorrow?

38 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:44:57pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

And what did you think of it?

I think the UN made a blunder. Just like it said.

39 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:45:06pm

re: #37 The Shadow Do

Bee Jees, can it get any worse? Will the sun rise tomorrow?

hey at least it wasn't a shut out...

40 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:45:49pm

re: #39 brookly red

I don't consider field goal a score if it is your only score and you lose.

41 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:46:11pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

I guess Jeff In Ohio has no opinion.

Why would you think that?

42 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:46:12pm

re: #39 brookly red

hey at least it wasn't a shut out...

Now you're just twisting the knife...

43 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:46:47pm

re: #42 The Shadow Do

Now you're just twisting the knife...

no that was FVB ...

44 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:47:00pm

re: #36 RadicalModerate

Since it is the exact same story in a different Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper written by Jonathan Leake and Chris Hastings as has been previously linked, my reaction is the same as it was before.

Independent Source Please.

Otherwise, I consider it as just another astroturfing attempt.

And consider the report QUOTES a number of scientist, including the head of the report at the IPCC, it would be real easy to find out if these quotes are incorrect, wouldn't it.

I suspect that such high profile scientist will not put up with Murdoch writing make believe quotes, so, we should hear about retractions from the scientist any time now?

45 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:47:43pm

re: #41 Jeff In Ohio

Why would you think that?

My mistake. Your answer to my comment was long in coming, I thought you had decided not to answer.

46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:47:47pm

Cowboys?

47 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:49:08pm

and it looks as if the Vikings may do it again....

48 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:49:34pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

My mistake. Your answer to my comment was long in coming, I thought you had decided not to answer.

Sorry man, multitasking. Dinner prep time in EST.

49 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:50:20pm

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

Yes, I did.

Well you asked me 'how about it?' 'So you are saying nothing to see here. move along?' There is a hell of a lot at stake based on the IPCC's credibility - a hell of a lot.

50 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:52:06pm

re: #49 elle Plater

Well you asked me 'how about it?' 'So you are saying nothing to see here. move along?' There is a hell of a lot at stake based on the IPCC's credibility - a hell of a lot.

Back off, he was making supper. Read his post above... "I think the UN made a blunder. Just like it said." Now, apologize to Jeff, like I did.

51 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:52:42pm

Congratulations to the long suffering Vikes fans. Awesome defensive line play today.

They will beat dem dat Saints.

Will they extend their losing streak in Super Bowls?

Only the Shadow knows...

52 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:53:46pm

Dang, another fifty minutes before I can leave and hit the sports bar down the street.

Is it just me, or has this stupid clock I keep staring at stopped?

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:54:04pm

Can't say my emotions are mixed right now...

54 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:55:23pm

re: #49 elle Plater

Well you asked me 'how about it?' 'So you are saying nothing to see here. move along?' There is a hell of a lot at stake based on the IPCC's credibility - a hell of a lot.

And your point is the IPCC's credibility is now suspect on all issues related to Climate Change or just to issues related to the effects of Climate Change?

55 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:56:56pm

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't say my emotions are mixed right now...

I enjoyed the part where Mr. T morphes into FBV...

56 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:57:13pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

Back off, he was making supper. Read his post above... "I think the UN made a blunder. Just like it said." Now, apologize to Jeff, like I did.

Yes I was just about to write ditto. So give me a break too. Also multi tasking - i'm breast feeding my baby.

57 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:57:44pm

re: #56 elle Plater

Yes I was just about to write ditto. So give me a break too. Also multi tasking - i'm breast feeding my baby.

TMI

58 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:00:37pm

re: #54 Jeff In Ohio

And your point is the IPCC's credibility is now suspect on all issues related to Climate Change or just to issues related to the effects of Climate Change?

All issues relating to the IPCC's statements and reports on climate change - this isn't the first blow to their credibility.

59 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:01:21pm

its funny how the posting slows- or even shuts down based on the football game >>

60 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:01:59pm

34 - 3... Oh my.

61 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:02:58pm

re: #54 Jeff In Ohio

And your point is the IPCC's credibility is now suspect on all issues related to Climate Change or just to issues related to the effects of Climate Change?

It certainly speaks to this issue ("World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown"). Whether is speaks to a general sloppy science at the UN IPCC, that answer will only be clarified as the days, weeks and months go on. Right or wrong, in my opinion, we saw very sloppy science at CRU, and there are now two scientist on leave while they are being investigated. Copenhagen did not end with any binding agreements.

So, yes, there are some credibility issues that have come to light. Will it become bigger, will it snowball, or will it just melt. We'll see. But there is certainly something to see here, and I guess we will.

62 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:03:04pm

re: #59 windsagio

its funny how the posting slows- or even shuts down based on the football game >>

Shhhh... we're watching football and breastfeeding.

/

63 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:03:18pm

re: #60 brookly red

ok yeah, I think its safe to gloat now. I HATE the Cowboys. Its good to see them get vigorously bitchslapped.

64 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:03:31pm

re: #60 brookly red

34 - 3... Oh my.

Be nice to Steve when he gets back. He's going to be hurting.

65 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:03:52pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

And consider the report QUOTES a number of scientist, including the head of the report at the IPCC, it would be real easy to find out if these quotes are incorrect, wouldn't it.

I suspect that such high profile scientist will not put up with Murdoch writing make believe quotes, so, we should hear about retractions from the scientist any time now?

I'd probably be willing to accept this if it weren't for the fact that this story is still trying to lend credibility to the "hacked IPCC emails" story that has been so thoroughly ripped apart on multiple occasions?

The revelation represents another embarrassing blow to the credibility of the IPCC, less than two months after the emergence of leaked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, which raised questions about the legitimacy of data published by the IPCC about global warming.

One email written by a scientist referred to ways of ensuring information that doubted the veracity of man-made climate change science did not appear in IPCC reports.

Several emails also revealed that some scientists at East Anglia tried to bully colleagues who challenged the theory of man-made climate change.

If the article writers weren't still trying to push this absolute lie, I might be willing to give them at least some credibility.

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:04:17pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Be nice to Steve when he gets back. He's going to be hurting.

I'm sad too, you son of a bitch!

67 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:01pm

re: #65 RadicalModerate

Its more concern-trolley 'teach the controversey' crap.

68 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:05pm

re: #63 windsagio

ok yeah, I think its safe to gloat now. I HATE the Cowboys. Its good to see them get vigorously bitchslapped.

EEeevil Imperialist Cowboys!
/

69 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:09pm

re: #60 brookly red

booyah!

That being said there will be hell to pay when i see my lady in TX............... (cowering)

But i'll have valentines to make up for spamming her facebook wall. heh.

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:22pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm sad too, you son of a bitch!

I so didn't expect this type of game. But goes to show, you never know.....

71 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:24pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Be nice to Steve when he gets back. He's going to be hurting.

OK, I know I am gonna get mine when the Jets get destroyed...

72 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:05:57pm

re: #71 brookly red

OK, I know I am gonna get mine when the Jets get destroyed...

Please, no!!!

73 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:06:37pm

re: #72 ethics

Please, no!!!

Chargers fan here. Watch for Brandon Siler - defense 59.

74 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:06:53pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

Chargers fan here. Watch for Brandon Siler - defense 59.

Damn him! :)

75 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:06:58pm

re: #69 wozzablog

booyah!

That being said there will be hell to pay when i see my lady in TX... (cowering)

But i'll have valentines to make up for spamming her facebook wall. heh.

I would think twice about going to TX for a bit...

76 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:07:18pm

re: #74 ethics

Damn him! :)

Not yet........but I can hope!!! Gator Chomp!

77 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:07:21pm

re: #65 RadicalModerate

If the article writers weren't still trying to push this absolute lie, I might be willing to give them at least some credibility.

The Australian article went into detail about the hacked CRU material. The Telegraph article did not (only one paragraph at the very end), so I would say you estimation on credibility could be judged by the Telegraph article, and the Telegraph article contains much more detail that is not in the Australian article.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

78 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:07:38pm

re: #71 brookly red

sometimes its almost easier to have 'your team' be one that always sucks... At least your dreams don't get dashed >>

79 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:08:21pm

re: #78 windsagio

sometimes its almost easier to have 'your team' be one that always sucks... At least your dreams don't get dashed >>

Unless you are a Jets fan. They (we) are so very hopeful, even when there's no hope.

80 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:09:09pm

re: #79 ethics

Unless you are a Jets fan. They (we) are so very hopeful, even when there's no hope.

My buddy is friends with Mark Sanchez' mom.

81 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:09:13pm

re: #75 brookly red

Unfortunately it's all booked........


*sigh*

But as a Fin Fan...... i will try to slip by unnoticed

82 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:09:27pm

re: #78 windsagio

Pretty much describes me (a Lions fan, I must be a masochist).

At least I have the Red Wings to destroy any dreams in the playoffs :p

83 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:10:36pm

re: #82 commadore183

Pretty much describes me (a Lions fan, I must be a masochist).

At least I have the Red Wings to destroy any dreams in the playoffs :p

Heck, the Wings have been dominant for years though. Remember when they had Federov and the rest of the Russians? The Russian news IN Russia would report on Red Wings games.

84 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:11:44pm

re: #78 windsagio

sometimes its almost easier to have 'your team' be one that always sucks... At least your dreams don't get dashed >>

Speak for yourself Jets fan. This Bills fan wouldn't mind a little hope dashing every now and again.

:)

85 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #82 commadore183

I grew up in Seattle in the '80s, so my 'home' team isn't even interestingly bad. At least with the Lions you have tradition >>

re: #84 AmeriDan

Lol if I'm anything I'm a Seahawks fan. Thats just lame.

86 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:12:52pm

re: #65 RadicalModerate

If the article writers weren't still trying to push this absolute lie, I might be willing to give them at least some credibility.

And as an aside, I don't care about the hacked emails. I do care about the hacked climate modeling software and the datasets that have been used to compile the data.

I have all that code (it's mainly Fortran and IDL) and I have the datasets, and, as I have stated here before (and Charles has disagreed with me), I find the computer code and the way the datasets were developed as questionable. And as a computer programmer of over 25 years, I have some knowledge of what I am talking about.

If I was a project leader or head of IT at CRU, I would have fired anyone writing the kind of computer software and collecting temperature data in the method they did. In the least it's sloppy and would never pass "peer" review from computer scientists.

87 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:12:55pm

re: #83 ethics

I only started watching hockey in 2003 or so, so I missed their previous championships. I just can't wait for them to get their injured players back (lost in the shootout to the Blackhawks earlier today).

88 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:13:07pm

My condolences to Cowboys fans...
:evilgrin:
///:)

89 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:13:56pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

My condolences to Cowboys fans...
:evilgrin:
///:)

pride cometh before the fall...

90 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:14:01pm

re: #87 commadore183

I only started watching hockey in 2003 or so, so I missed their previous championships. I just can't wait for them to get their injured players back (lost in the shootout to the Blackhawks earlier today).

Crap, did I date myself?

I watched that game (thanks to NBC), it was fun!

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:14:45pm

re: #78 windsagio

sometimes its almost easier to have 'your team' be one that always sucks... At least your dreams don't get dashed >>

I'm not sure. Ask Six Degrees. He's from Detroit.

92 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:14:46pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

And as an aside, I don't care about the hacked emails. I do care about the hacked climate modeling software and the datasets that have been used to compile the data.

I have all that code (it's mainly Fortran and IDL) and I have the datasets, and, as I have stated here before (and Charles has disagreed with me), I find the computer code and the way the datasets were developed as questionable. And as a computer programmer of over 25 years, I have some knowledge of what I am talking about.

If I was a project leader or head of IT at CRU, I would have fired anyone writing the kind of computer software and collecting temperature data in the method they did. In the least it's sloppy and would never pass "peer" review from computer scientists.

That's a great summary, Walter.

93 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:15:15pm

re: #84 AmeriDan

Speak for yourself Jets fan. This Bills fan wouldn't mind a little hope dashing every now and again.

:)

Buck up! I give you:
SB25
SB26
SB27
SB28

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:15:15pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

reluctant ding.

95 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:15:39pm

re: #90 ethics

Crap, did I date myself?

"Well, nobody else will!"


(I'm sorry for the terrible joke, I have an irresistible urge to respond to that line every time I see it >>)

96 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:16:00pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

My condolences to Cowboys fans...
:evilgrin:
///:)

*evil eye*

97 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:16:06pm

re: #95 windsagio

"Well, nobody else will!"

(I'm sorry for the terrible joke, I have an irresistible urge to respond to that line every time I see it >>)

LOL! I loved it. :)

98 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:16:23pm

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not sure. Ask Six Degrees. He's from Detroit.

We suck harder!!!

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:17:02pm

re: #98 SixDegrees

We suck harder!!!

in be...no, nevermind. :P

100 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:17:29pm

re: #92 ethics

That's a great summary, Walter.

Please note, I am not a climate change denier or what ever is the popular phrase or word used this week to put down intelligent people who have their on educated opinions on climate change.

101 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:17:52pm

re: #85 windsagio

Lol if I'm anything I'm a Seahawks fan. Thats just lame

Oops, saw Brookly's name in your reply and became confused. What do ya expect? I'm from the South and I'm a Bills fan... the very definition of confusing.

102 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:18:13pm

re: #90 ethics

Well, it could be worst, you could have seen Sawchuk play back in his prime :p So far, the Wings do seem to have a good goalie in Jimmy Howard. Hope he can keep up this play for a long time :)

re: #98 SixDegrees

LOL

103 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:19:03pm

re: #102 commadore183

Really? I was wondering if Osgood will end up playing till he is 60.

104 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:19:32pm

bbl


watching "Wallander"

105 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:19:43pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Please note, I am not a climate change denier or what ever is the popular phrase or word used this week to put down intelligent people who have their on educated opinions on climate change.

Noted.

Don't have to be a denier or whatever to understand issues like the CRU controversy.

106 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:20:46pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

re: #105 ethics

I know, I know, you guys are just raising 'legitimate concerns about the reliability of the data.'

107 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:23:37pm

The President is live on CNN stumping in Mass for Martha Coakley, who is locked in a battle with a REPUBLICAN for Ted Kennedy' senate seat. Coakley has all the personality of a piece of white bread with no crust. I really hope the GOP challenger wins on Tuesday as it would hopefully put the brakes on some of what Reid, Pelosi, and the POTUS are trying to shove down our collective throats.

108 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:24:03pm

re: #103 ethics

So far this season, he's got a five-hole like a black hole, puck always seem to go towards it and disappear. Howard has been getting most of the starts (just started his 12th consecutive game earlier), but I hope Babcock throws a few starts toward Osgood, at least keep him warmed up in case Howard has a bad streak going.

I just started watching football this past season, and it seems like the Lions have a promising young quarterback in Stafford. They just need to get a few pieces to 1) keep him from watching the clouds after a sack, and 2) keep from giving up the most points in an NFL season. Heck, the fact they went 2-14 is a big improvement from last season's 0-16 (well, anytime you get at least 1 win in a season is a major improvement over 0-16).

109 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:24:26pm

re: #106 windsagio

To be honest, you won't hear much from me on this topic. It's way too involved and too much energy is spent on something as grandiose as climate change. Something I don't have is time for it.

I do, however, enjoy reading both sides of the debate though.

110 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:26:23pm

re: #108 commadore183

So far this season, he's got a five-hole like a black hole, puck always seem to go towards it and disappear. Howard has been getting most of the starts (just started his 12th consecutive game earlier), but I hope Babcock throws a few starts toward Osgood, at least keep him warmed up in case Howard has a bad streak going.

As a Devils fan I sympathize with anything of sharing the net. Brodeur has been hugging it for years, so... most of us are happy he has been.

I just started watching football this past season, and it seems like the Lions have a promising young quarterback in Stafford. They just need to get a few pieces to 1) keep him from watching the clouds after a sack, and 2) keep from giving up the most points in an NFL season. Heck, the fact they went 2-14 is a big improvement from last season's 0-16 (well, anytime you get at least 1 win in a season is a major improvement over 0-16).

Until TiVo, I couldn't watch Football. Too many ads. Now? It's fun!

111 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:26:58pm

re: #107 _RememberTonyC

The President is live on CNN stumping in Mass for Martha Coakley, who is locked in a battle with a REPUBLICAN for Ted Kennedy' senate seat. Coakley has all the personality of a piece of white bread with no crust. I really hope the GOP challenger wins on Tuesday as it would hopefully put the brakes on some of what Reid, Pelosi, and the POTUS are trying to shove down our collective throats.

Love that white bread quote. :)

112 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:27:57pm

re: #106 windsagio

re: #105 ethics

I know, I know, you guys are just raising 'legitimate concerns about the reliability of the data.'

First... did you read the Telegraph article above... [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Second, "you guys" hasn't a fucking thing to do with anything. I don't know "ethics" and I don't give two shits if he agrees with me or not, nor do I give a shit if you agree with me or not.

I have ALL the Fortran and IDL code that CRU has been using to model their temperature change experiments. I also have ALL the datasets that contain the temperature change data points. I also have ALL the supporting documents that goes along with the CRU data.

And by the way, a good part of this material I have is offered by CRU on their website, the rest of the material (the software programs) I have from other sources.

Unless you are a programmer, unless you have the same material I have and unless you have gone through the data and the software code yourself, you comment above means squat to me.

My concerns are not only legitimate, but they are backed up by over 25 years of expertise.

I don't need your approval. Your approval does not change one iota of fact.

Thanks for helping out though.

113 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:30:13pm

re: #110 ethics

Until TiVo, I couldn't watch Football. Too many ads. Now? It's fun!

I've only seen 1 game of the Lions, all other games I've heard on the radio. Strangely enough, their 2 wins came when they were blacked out: Washington (I was in Ohio visiting my father that time, so there was no way I could have caught the game), and against the Browns (which I listened to on the radio).

114 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:30:15pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

First... did you read the Telegraph article above... [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Second, "you guys" hasn't a fucking thing to do with anything. I don't know "ethics" and I don't give two shits if he agrees with me or not, nor do I give a shit if you agree with me or not.

I have ALL the Fortran and IDL code that CRU has been using to model their temperature change experiments. I also have ALL the datasets that contain the temperature change data points. I also have ALL the supporting documents that goes along with the CRU data.

And by the way, a good part of this material I have is offered by CRU on their website, the rest of the material (the software programs) I have from other sources.

Unless you are a programmer, unless you have the same material I have and unless you have gone through the data and the software code yourself, you comment above means squat to me.

My concerns are not only legitimate, but they are backed up by over 25 years of expertise.

I don't need your approval. Your approval does not change one iota of fact.

Thanks for helping out though.

Is he always this pissed off at the world?

115 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:31:44pm

re: #113 commadore183

I've only seen 1 game of the Lions, all other games I've heard on the radio. Strangely enough, their 2 wins came when they were blacked out: Washington (I was in Ohio visiting my father that time, so there was no way I could have caught the game), and against the Browns (which I listened to on the radio).

Wow, really? Kudos to you for being able to do that then. For the life of me I can't listen to the radio (for sports).

116 AmeriDan  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:31:54pm

re: #114 ethics

*rolls eyes*... and leaves to go watch game.

117 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:32:52pm

re: #113 commadore183

I've only seen 1 game of the Lions, all other games I've heard on the radio. Strangely enough, their 2 wins came when they were blacked out: Washington (I was in Ohio visiting my father that time, so there was no way I could have caught the game), and against the Browns (which I listened to on the radio).

You screen name, where did you get that spelling?

118 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:34:35pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

It was something that I came up with. I misspelled "commodore", and the numbers referred to two NASCAR drivers at the time (Bobby Labonte in the #18 and Dale Earnhardt Sr in the #3).

119 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #114 ethics

Is he always this pissed off at the world?

I'll tell you what. See my screen name? Click on it, go to my web site, find my email, and then email me and I will answer your question privately... jerk.

120 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:36:27pm

re: #114 ethics

-1
*Shakes head disapprovingly*

121 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:37:43pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

I'll tell you what. See my screen name? Click on it, go to my web site, find my email, and then email me and I will answer your question privately... jerk.

Now why would I waste my time with such an angry person. What next? Challenge me to a street fight?

For the record, I've been very civil to you and others. You, sir, have not been.

122 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:38:39pm

NBC News Host on Possible Dem Loss: 'This Is Bad'

123 elle Plater  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

And as an aside, I don't care about the hacked emails. I do care about the hacked climate modeling software and the datasets that have been used to compile the data.

I have all that code (it's mainly Fortran and IDL) and I have the datasets, and, as I have stated here before (and Charles has disagreed with me), I find the computer code and the way the datasets were developed as questionable. And as a computer programmer of over 25 years, I have some knowledge of what I am talking about.

If I was a project leader or head of IT at CRU, I would have fired anyone writing the kind of computer software and collecting temperature data in the method they did. In the least it's sloppy and would never pass "peer" review from computer scientists.

I am also a software engineer for over 25 years - yes I had a baby aged 46 (after going into remission from cancer) - and I am also deeply disturbed by the computer code and the hard coded hack.

As for the CRU emails being totally proven as a lie - just like the IPCC's peer review is being called into question so is the way they investigated the leaked emails. Of course the people involved are going to deny it.

124 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:39:16pm

On to game-2. I wish game-1 had ended w/o that final TD.
Till tomorrow, enjoy remainder of Sunday, all.

125 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:39:29pm

re: #121 ethics

Now why would I waste my time with such an angry person. What next? Challenge me to a street fight?

For the record, I've been very civil to you and others. You, sir, have not been.

Now, try this. Reading is comprehension. If you look over my LONG comment, I was not "dissing" you. I was using you to make a point that I don't need anyones approval to have an opinion or make a point. I can be right or wrong on my own.

You sort of missed that, didn't you?

126 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:41:31pm

re: #122 The Sanity Inspector

NBC News Host on Possible Dem Loss: 'This Is Bad'

they don't even try to appear to be unbiased anymore...

127 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:42:56pm

re: #123 elle Plater

I am also a software engineer for over 25 years - yes I had a baby aged 46 (after going into remission from cancer) - and I am also deeply disturbed by the computer code and the hard coded hack.

As for the CRU emails being totally proven as a lie - just like the IPCC's peer review is being called into question so is the way they investigated the leaked emails. Of course the people involved are going to deny it.

Well, like I say, I don't really care about the email. The emails are one of those things that either side can "weasel" out of, claim something was out of context and so on. So, where as I find the emails as peripherally interesting, and I see some possible problems there, I'd rather work with material that can't be disputed, that is plain as English (well, Fortran) and where the material from CRU itself, hangs them.

128 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:43:33pm

Must say, it sounds like he said "hell" to me - net "peril".

129 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:43:35pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Now, try this. Reading is comprehension. If you look over my LONG comment, I was not "dissing" you. I was using you to make a point that I don't need anyones approval to have an opinion or make a point. I can be right or wrong on my own.

You sort of missed that, didn't you?

No, I have not. It's your tone of the post and even if it's not directed at me it was directed at another member, who has also been civil. I just don't get why you respond the way you do.

Second, "you guys" hasn't a fucking thing to do with anything. I don't know "ethics" and I don't give two shits if he agrees with me or not, nor do I give a shit if you agree with me or not.

Hence why are you pissed comment?

130 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:45:21pm

re: #21 elle Plater

Well how about this which is now front page of The Australian today. United Nations' blunder on glaciers exposed

How about it?

I don't believe the story, first of all, until it's confirmed by a source that doesn't have a history of promoting denialist claims.

Second, even if it's true and the warning was in error, it has no effect whatsoever on the massive amounts of other information on global warming that is not in any doubt.

131 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:47:25pm

re: #129 ethics

Hence why are you pissed comment?

You're right. I'm bored. You don't put up much of a fight. What's wrong with you? Everybody agreeing with everybody is the beginning of the end of democracy. Start disagreeing with me, save democracy :)

132 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:47:27pm

re: #128 5string

Must say, it sounds like he said "hell" to me - net "peril".

Absolutely not. He said "in peril." You can hear it clearly on the video here:

Youtube Video
133 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:47:40pm

re: #126 brookly red

they don't even try to appear to be unbiased anymore...

"anymore"...?

134 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:48:51pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

You're right. I'm bored. You don't put up much of a fight. What's wrong with you? Everybody agreeing with everybody is the beginning of the end of democracy. Start disagreeing with me, save democracy :)

Ha! It's all good as far as I am concerned.

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:49:02pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

You're right. I'm bored. You don't put up much of a fight. What's wrong with you? Everybody agreeing with everybody is the beginning of the end of democracy. Start disagreeing with me, save democracy :)

*Trows a snowball at Walter.*
/medication is making me loopy ;)

136 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:49:34pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

Should be 'throws'
/fail pimf

137 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:49:48pm

re: #133 The Sanity Inspector

"anymore"...?

yes the media used to go to great lengths to pretend they weren't partisan hacks...

138 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:50:28pm

re: #134 ethics

Ha! It's all good as far as I am concerned.

... aaaggghhhhh...

139 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:51:49pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Should be 'throws'
/fail pimf

Are you nursing a baby?

140 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:52:18pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

Are you nursing a baby?

No, why?

141 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:52:30pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Should be 'throws'
/fail pimf

Not if you are from Brooklyn. ;)

142 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:53:27pm

re: #141 ethics

Not if you are from Brooklyn. ;)

Are yous tellin' me youse from Brooklyn... where?

143 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:53:56pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Are yous tellin' me youse from Brooklyn... where?

Gravesend, Sheepshead Bay border. :)

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:53:57pm

re: #141 ethics

Not if you are from Brooklyn. ;)

I got a freezer and a cooler, I'm good. :)

145 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:53:58pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

No, why?

Never mind, up thread reference/joke... didn't work.

146 McSpiff  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:54:32pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

You're right. I'm bored. You don't put up much of a fight. What's wrong with you? Everybody agreeing with everybody is the beginning of the end of democracy. Start disagreeing with me, save democracy :)

You know what Walter? He can agree with whoever the hell he wants. Who are you to say that he can't find value in your diatribes?

//Just helpin out a friend.

147 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:54:34pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Never mind, up thread reference/joke... didn't work.

Oh, yep, went right over my head! :D

148 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:55:12pm

re: #143 ethics

Gravesend, Sheepshead Bay border. :)


Ooooh, good pizza round that way...

149 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:55:35pm

re: #143 ethics

Gravesend, Sheepshead Bay border. :)

I'm from Bay Ridge. I use to go to the kiddieland amusement park at SB, across the street from the soft custard ice cream place that was on the bay... that burned down... this as the late 50's early 60's.

150 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:55:38pm

re: #126 brookly red

they don't even try to appear to be unbiased anymore...

she may be biased and have a grating voice, but she is kinda cute. I guess at NBC News, one out of three is good enough

151 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:56:36pm

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

she may be biased and have a grating voice, but she is kinda cute. I guess at NBC News, one out of three is good enough

you would love the upper west side...

152 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:56:39pm

re: #146 McSpiff

You know what Walter? He can agree with whoever the hell he wants. Who are you to say that he can't find value in your diatribes?

//Just helpin out a friend.

I likes to introduce you to ma friend Vinnie...

153 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:56:48pm

re: #143 ethics

Gravesend, Sheepshead Bay border. :)

In beeyooteefull Noo Yoik?

154 McSpiff  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:57:48pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

I likes to introduce you to ma friend Vinnie...

How's the weekend treating ya? Or does it make a difference in your line of work.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:58:11pm

My wife just said that Brett Favre is the Anti-Christ. Where does that leave all of the other Anti-Christs out there?

156 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:58:23pm

re: #151 brookly red

you would love the upper west side...

Been there! Know some of them. Don't love them. However, if I like a person, I will tolerate their political immaturity if they have SOME redeeming qualities :)

157 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:58:29pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife just said that Brett Favre is the Anti-Christ. Where does that leave all of the other Anti-Christs out there?

Unemployed.

158 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:58:52pm

re: #154 McSpiff

How's the weekend treating ya? Or does it make a difference in your line of work.

Are you talking about my new job?

159 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:59:18pm

I do hope lots of you are watching Wild Pacific. Gorgeous television. Resonant voice man Mike Rowe shows how the pacific lives and evolves. Weather, ocean, climate, ecologies & critters. Discover channel.

Oh, No, not institute!! Channel. :)

160 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 1:59:38pm

re: #153 The Sanity Inspector

In beeyooteefull Noo Yoik?

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Yah. Anytime I call anyone out of state, I get, "oh your accent... " my answer is always, "can I punch you in the face?" Then I laugh and they realize I am kidding. ;)

I'm from Bay Ridge. I use to go to the kiddieland amusement park at SB, across the street from the soft custard ice cream place that was on the bay... that burned down... this as the late 50's early 60's.


Are has changed, A LOT. Not sure when you were last here but I am sure while you would recognize much you would still be shocked as to the changes. Been here since 1994 and even then has been immense amount of changes.

re: #148 brookly red

Yeah, would you believe I still prefer Dominoes? I know, sacrilege and blasphemy.

Ooooh, good pizza round that way...
161 McSpiff  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:00:23pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Are you talking about my new job?

Ah didn't know you had a new one to be honest. If memory serves you had said before you were in theatre?

162 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:00:24pm

Sorry about the quotes. Still learning the site.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:00:36pm

re: #159 Rightwingconspirator

Did you know he was a principal baritone with the Baltimore Opera?

164 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #160 ethics

Yeah, would you believe I still prefer Dominoes? I know, sacrilege and blasphemy.

You're from Brooklym, yes?
You like pizza, yes?
You prefer...Dominoes?!?!
Blasphemy, indeed.
///;)

165 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:02:20pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

Sigh, should be a 'n' in 'Brooklyn. Preview is certainly not my friend...:)

166 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:02:30pm

re: #160 ethics

re: #148 brookly red

Yeah, would you believe I still prefer Dominoes? I know, sacrilege and blasphemy.


*points at monitor, screeches like bodysnatcher...*

167 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:03:10pm

re: #165 Varek Raith

Sigh, should be a 'n' in 'Brooklyn. Preview is certainly not my friend...:)

you tellin me?

168 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:03:25pm

re: #160 ethics

This past Sept. for the first time in 25 years, I was in the neighborhood, or should I say passing through, driving out to the Hamptons on LI for a funeral, so, I was maybe a few blocks from SB, but didn't actually get to see it.

While I was there, I Googled street mapped my old neighborhood in Bay Ridge (basically 69th St. and 4th Ave) and it hasn't changed much at all, except some of the brownstones looks like they cleaned up a lot and gone upscale and high priced.

169 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:03:48pm

re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No but that is not surprising from his voice. From his screen persona it's hard to believe. That macho outdoor guy and Opera. Gotta love complex people.

170 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:04:00pm

re: #167 brookly red

you tellin me?

Lol, no, my previous post. I misspelled 'Brooklyn' with an 'm'. :D

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:06:14pm

re: #169 Rightwingconspirator

I didn't say he was a tenor. I said baritone. We're manly men.

172 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:07:49pm

/I am predicting that the Jets/Chargers game goes into overtime @ 0-0...

they are both stinking it up.

173 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:07:59pm

re: #161 McSpiff

Ah didn't know you had a new one to be honest. If memory serves you had said before you were in theatre?

I was at the live theatre for two years, but three weeks ago I started a full time 40 hour a week job as a furniture pricer in a major thrift store... which actually means a furniture schlepper. Hard work, but actually a couple a bucks above minimum, benefits and 40 hours a week. The theatre had cut my salary by 55 percent last Sept. due to budget stuff, and I finally decided I wasn't comfortable at that wage.

I've kept trying to get full time programming work, but it's just not happening, it's really an age thing. I'm 57 and they see me as a red mark on the books.

I still do some contract programming from home once in a while for Kaiser.

174 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:08:25pm

How'd the Broncos do today?

175 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:08:38pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn't say he was a tenor. I said baritone. We're manly men.

Youtube Video
176 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:08:55pm

re: #174 MandyManners

How'd the Broncos do today?

*go piss up a rope* :)

177 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:10:00pm

re: #174 MandyManners

How'd the Broncos do today?

Never got out of the stable! :)

178 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:10:18pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

*go piss up a rope* :)

I just hit me that they're out.

179 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:10:18pm

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I live by the "3 don't" rule. Men (must!) not do these three things unless they can do them very well. Not me, not one of these things.
1. Sing.
2. Dance.
3. Drag.

Dragon_Lady is grateful.

180 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:10:51pm

re: #177 SteveC

Never got out of the stable! :)

Which explains why The Kid's not been glued to the television.

181 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:11:45pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I just hit me that they're out.

I'm sorry, I was just having fun with you. I didn't know it meant so much to you. Really.. will you forgive me?

182 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:12:10pm

re: #174 MandyManners

How'd the Broncos do today?

several got sunburned on the golf course ...

183 McSpiff  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:12:15pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

I was at the live theatre for two years, but three weeks ago I started a full time 40 hour a week job as a furniture pricer in a major thrift store... which actually means a furniture schlepper. Hard work, but actually a couple a bucks above minimum, benefits and 40 hours a week. The theatre had cut my salary by 55 percent last Sept. due to budget stuff, and I finally decided I wasn't comfortable at that wage.

I've kept trying to get full time programming work, but it's just not happening, it's really an age thing. I'm 57 and they see me as a red mark on the books.

I still do some contract programming from home once in a while for Kaiser.

Hey can't knock regular hours and benefits thats for sure. In my other life (well, the Emacs session running next to LGF) I'm implementing a basic malloc/free for school... How's a case of beer sound for payment? :-D

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:13:16pm

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

Drag? As in "dress as a woman" or as in "street race"?

185 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

I live by the "3 don't" rule. Men (must!) not do these three things unless they can do them very well. Not me, not one of these things.
1. Sing.
2. Dance.
3. Drag.

Dragon_Lady is grateful.

Do you do trash drag good? There's a big difference. If you are having trouble doing straight drag, you may want to try trash drag. Works for me.

186 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:14:39pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well neither, but I meant dress as a woman. These things done badly are uniquely off putting.

187 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:15:13pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry, I was just having fun with you. I didn't know it meant so much to you. Really.. will you forgive me?

Any time.

188 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:15:29pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drag? As in "dress as a woman" or as in "street race"?

Or drag as in take a long draw on a cigarette?

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:15:44pm

re: #178 MandyManners

I just hit me that they're out.

Well, so are the Cowboys.

Sigh.

190 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:16:17pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drag? As in "dress as a woman" or as in "street race"?


re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drag? As in "dress as a woman" or as in "street race"?

/ gawd, I can see it now...shifts into 2nd, jerks wig off.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:16:22pm

re: #188 ryannon

Or drag as in take a long draw on a cigarette?

Or drag as in pull something across the floor...

192 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:16:33pm

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

I trash bad drag. Every other kind may be a new experience to me.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:16:48pm

re: #190 brookly red

Oh. wig. whew.

194 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:16:55pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

I was at the live theatre for two years, but three weeks ago I started a full time 40 hour a week job as a furniture pricer in a major thrift store... which actually means a furniture schlepper. Hard work, but actually a couple a bucks above minimum, benefits and 40 hours a week. The theatre had cut my salary by 55 percent last Sept. due to budget stuff, and I finally decided I wasn't comfortable at that wage.

I've kept trying to get full time programming work, but it's just not happening, it's really an age thing. I'm 57 and they see me as a red mark on the books.

I still do some contract programming from home once in a while for Kaiser.

Walter, have you tried to pitch your programming skills to the thrift store's suits? Maybe you can do a few things for them pro bono at first, as a loss leader to shop your chops.

195 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:17:11pm

re: #188 ryannon

That's a drag I do well. The looong inhale.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:17:30pm

re: #188 ryannon

Or drag as in take a long draw on a cigarette?

Old joke. I had a dog with no legs. Named him cigarette. Every day, I take him out for a drag.

197 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:17:34pm

re: #182 _RememberTonyC

several got sunburned on the golf course ...

Thursday the country club's course was crowded here. Grown men took the day off in order to whack a little ball with a stupid stick.

198 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:17:55pm

re: #190 brookly red

Priceless!

199 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:18:01pm

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

That's a drag I do well. The looong inhale.

*Skakes finger at RWC* Smoking is baaaddd!
:)

200 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:06pm

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

I live by the "3 don't" rule. Men (must!) not do these three things unless they can do them very well. Not me, not one of these things.
1. Sing.
2. Dance.
3. Drag.

Dragon_Lady is grateful.

This is the Pink Glove Dance for Breast Cancer Awareness, but it ought to be named "Guys can't Dance." The older janitor with the broom is the only man that has any moves.

Youtube Video
201 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:09pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

Rest assured I never smoke tobacco.

202 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:20pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Thursday the country club's course was crowded here. Grown men took the day off in order to whack a little ball with a stupid stick.

golf is just another four letter word .... especially the way I play :(

203 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:22pm

re: #194 The Sanity Inspector

Walter, have you tried to pitch your programming skills to the thrift store's suits? Maybe you can do a few things for them pro bono at first, as a loss leader to shop your chops.

Er... my domestic partner is the head of that department. She's been with the company for 10 years. I don't think she wants me trying to take her job from her. And no, I didn't get the job because of her. I got it fair and square.

204 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:44pm

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old joke. I had a dog with no legs. Named him cigarette. Every day, I take him out for a drag.

I'm on the phone to PETA!

205 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Thursday the country club's course was crowded here. Grown men took the day off in order to whack a little ball with a stupid stick.

The gutter area of my mind chuckled...

206 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:21:26pm

re: #202 _RememberTonyC

golf is just another four letter word ... especially the way I play :(

Q: Why to they call it Gold?

A: Because F*CK!! was already taken.

207 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:21:57pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drag? As in "dress as a woman" or as in "street race"?

Any man can dress like a woman, not to many men can pull of drag.

208 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:22:08pm

re: #195 Rightwingconspirator

That's a drag I do well. The looong inhale.

There's an art to it.

Youtube Video
209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:22:12pm

re: #206 SteveC

Way to kill a flippin' joke.

210 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:22:29pm

re: #200 SteveC

Loved it!

211 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:22:37pm

re: #206 SteveC

Q: Why to they call it Gold Golf?

A: Because F*CK!! was already taken.

You're losing it, Steve.....

212 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:23:06pm

re: #211 SteveC

You're losing it, Steve...

take a mulligan dude

213 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:23:21pm

re: #211 SteveC

You're losing it, Steve...

FBV's got ya covered. ;)

214 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:23:40pm

Well, someone's getting a little overzealous in Brownie land.
Looks like someone has been burning Coakly signs.

[Link: bluemassgroup.com...]

215 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:23:41pm

re: #130 Charles

How about it?

I don't believe the story, first of all, until it's confirmed by a source that doesn't have a history of promoting denialist claims.

Second, even if it's true and the warning was in error, it has no effect whatsoever on the massive amounts of other information on global warming that is not in any doubt.

Would you believe a earlier BBC story about the same topic...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:24:29pm

re: #212 _RememberTonyC

You see that hit on Warner, yesterday? I'd be in an ICU.

217 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:25:41pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Would you believe a earlier BBC story about the same topic...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Addendum. The date is Dec. 5th, 2009.

218 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:26:21pm

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You see that hit on Warner, yesterday? I'd be in an ICU.

I was on the NY Thruway driving home from taking my kid back to college but I heard it on the radio. The announcer said Warner "got blown up." That said it all ...

219 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:27:08pm

re: #218 _RememberTonyC

I was on the NY Thruway driving home from taking my kid back to college but I heard it on the radio. The announcer said Warner "got blown up." That said it all ...

He. Never. Saw. It. Coming.
/Ouch!

220 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:28:12pm

re: #219 Varek Raith

He. Never. Saw. It. Coming.
/Ouch!

i should check ESPN.com for the clip and watch it ... sounds like "must see TV."

221 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:28:31pm

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You see that hit on Warner, yesterday? I'd be in an ICU.

Like a hit Roger Staubach took once. They had to walk him back to the bench. The head trainer sat him down, held up three fingers, and said "How many fingers am I holding up, Roger?"

A very shaky Staubach answered "GREEN!"

/Just keep your seat for a few, Rog.

222 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:28:49pm

re: #220 _RememberTonyC

i should check ESPN.com for the clip and watch it ... sounds like "must see TV."

Youtube Video
223 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:28:49pm
Well, someone's getting a little overzealous in Brownie land.
Looks like someone has been burning Coakly signs.

[Link: bluemassgroup.com...]

Wow- getting nasty - no surprise - from the article!

"I'll tell you what," Brown said, using a megaphone to address the crowd. "There's negative campaigning, and then there's malicious campaigning."

"She's malicious!" a man in the crowd cried out. "She's a phony!" shouted another. "Shove a curling iron up her butt!" a third man interjected a few moments later.

224 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:29:34pm

re: #220 _RememberTonyC

i should check ESPN.com for the clip and watch it ... sounds like "must see TV."

His bell got rung.

It got rung so hard that he's still answering every telephone he sees.

225 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:29:59pm

re: #223 Stanley Sea

Yep, both sides are just... wow.

226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:30:57pm

re: #225 ethics

1/2 empty glass here, but I don't think any future election is going to be much better.

227 SteveC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:32:02pm
"Shove a curling iron up her butt!" a third man interjected a few moments later.

What do you predict for the election tonight, Clubber?

Pain.

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:32:10pm

re: #222 ethics

Yowza!

229 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:33:04pm

the curling iron thing has got a lot of folks all worked up...

230 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:33:43pm

re: #214 ethics

Who's the simpatico-looking guy in your avatar?

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:34:44pm

re: #224 SteveC

His bell got rung.

It got rung so hard that he's still answering every telephone he sees.

One of the first "Cheers" episodes. Coach picks up the phone and says, "Cheers." Sam says, "Coach. The phone didn't ring, the ringing's in your head." Minute later phone rings, Coach ignores it. Sam says, "You gonna get the phone?" Coach says, "No, Sam. The ringing's in my head."

232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:35:06pm

re: #229 brookly red

huh?

233 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:35:21pm

re: #230 ryannon

Who's the simpatico-looking guy in your avatar?

Youtube Video
234 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:35:26pm

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yowza!

You want to try a real sport. Try Kayak Paint Ball Competitions. Kayaks run a gamut of river slalom obstacles while contestants on the river bank tries to take them out with paint ball guns.

235 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

huh?

[Link: www.opednews.com...]

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:35:49pm

re: #233 ethics

Stephen Root is the MAN!

237 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:36:25pm

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stephen Root is the MAN!

Haha, oh yes. :)

238 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:17pm

re: #230 ryannon

Who's the simpatico-looking guy in your avatar?

Just leave his stapler alone.

239 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:23pm

yikes .... just watched the hit on Kurt Warner ... I think it loosened a couple of MY teeth

240 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:24pm

re: #233 ethics

I could set the building on fire.

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:27pm

re: #237 ethics

He has a very varied body of work.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:49pm

re: #239 _RememberTonyC

Told ya.

243 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #240 Mad Al-Jaffee

I could set the building on fire.

God, I love that movie. :)

244 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:38:11pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Would you believe a earlier BBC story about the same topic...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Or another source...

"Also, the lead author of the IPCC chapter, Indian glaciologist Murari Lal, told New Scientist that he “outright rejected” the notion that the IPCC was off the mark on Himalayan glaciers.
“The IPCC authors did exactly what was expected from them,” he said.
“We relied rather heavily on grey (not peer-reviewed) literature, including the WWF report,” Lal said. “The error, if any, lies with Dr Hasnain’s assertion and not with the IPCC authors,” he added.
But, Hasnain rejects that and blames the IPCC for misusing a remark he made to a journalist.
“The magic number of 2035 has not (been) mentioned in any research papers written by me, as no peer-reviewed journal will accept speculative figures,” he told New Scientist.
“It is not proper for IPCC to include references from popular magazines or newspapers,” Hasnain added. (ANI)"

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

245 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:39:17pm

re: #233 ethics

Wow - cubicle hell. Poor guy.

246 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:40:06pm

re: #245 ryannon

Wow - cubicle hell. Poor guy.

Have you ever seen that movie? If not, highly recommend it. Especially if you are in IT.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:40:37pm

re: #245 ryannon

He's one of those actors who no one knows his name, and I just love his work and saw his name and looked for him everywhere afterward.

248 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:40:59pm

re: #232 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

huh?


did that help?

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #235 brookly red

I'm not fully trusting that. Why on earth would anyone "cover" for something so heinous?

250 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:42:52pm

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Told ya.

Warner is a tough old dude ... good thing, too.

251 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:43:04pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Or another source...

"Also, the lead author of the IPCC chapter, Indian glaciologist Murari Lal, told New Scientist that he “outright rejected” the notion that the IPCC was off the mark on Himalayan glaciers.
“The IPCC authors did exactly what was expected from them,” he said.
“We relied rather heavily on grey (not peer-reviewed) literature, including the WWF report,” Lal said. “The error, if any, lies with Dr Hasnain’s assertion and not with the IPCC authors,” he added.
But, Hasnain rejects that and blames the IPCC for misusing a remark he made to a journalist.
“The magic number of 2035 has not (been) mentioned in any research papers written by me, as no peer-reviewed journal will accept speculative figures,” he told New Scientist.
“It is not proper for IPCC to include references from popular magazines or newspapers,” Hasnain added. (ANI)"

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

Interesting... they didn't use peer reviewed material for the IPCC report on glacier melting... I thought that peer review was the only legitimate test for inclusion in IPCC reports?

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:44:19pm

re: #250 _RememberTonyC

Which reminds me....

Hey! You forty-somethings out there. Don't let Kurt and Brett convince you you can do those things. You can't.

How's that for positive re-enforcement.

253 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:45:13pm

re: #246 ethics

Have you ever seen that movie? If not, highly recommend it. Especially if you are in IT.

Actually, I'm in France.

But I'll check it out. You say it's a movie and not a television series?

254 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:45:19pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Interesting... they didn't use peer reviewed material for the IPCC report on glacier melting... I thought that peer review was the only legitimate test for inclusion in IPCC reports?

Supposed to be. Why wasn't it applied in this case?

255 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:45:26pm

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which reminds me...

Hey! You forty-somethings out there. Don't let Kurt and Brett convince you you can do those things. You can't.

How's that for positive re-enforcement.

Sure you can!
*Encourages FBV to try professional football*
/:P

256 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:45:57pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not fully trusting that. Why on earth would anyone "cover" for something so heinous?

that's what the voters want to know... here is the Boston Globe if you didn't like the first link...

[Link: www.boston.com...]

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:46:07pm

re: #255 Varek Raith

Get the stretcher ready.

258 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #253 ryannon

Actually, I'm in France.

But I'll check it out. You say it's a movie and not a television series?

That's correct. It's not THE Office (series). It's Office Space. [Link: www.imdb.com...]

259 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:46:10pm

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Plays differently on a 40 something martial artist. But hey, at 39 I took up weapons.

260 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:46:30pm

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get the stretcher ready.

..and the popcorn.
XD
/

261 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:46:45pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not fully trusting that. Why on earth would anyone "cover" for something so heinous?

Here's a more balanced news piece.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

262 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:47:51pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

Here's a an interesting link as regards to IPCC and peer review.

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:48:01pm

re: #256 brookly red

Hell, that falls under the "live boy or a dead woman" category if you ask me.

264 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:48:04pm

re: #258 ethics

That's correct. It's not THE Office (series). It's Office Space. [Link: www.imdb.com...]

Thank you :-)

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #256 brookly red

Oh! and thanks.

266 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:49:57pm

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, that falls under the "live boy or a dead woman" category if you ask me.

perhaps but the peeps in Mass. are the ones who shall judge.

267 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #254 ethics

Supposed to be. Why wasn't it applied in this case?

I don't know? certain people on LGF have tutored me over and over about peer reviewed material. If it's not peer reviewed, it's suspect, it's not up to par. I use to link to numerous non-peered reviewed scientific articles and material and was dutifully explained to that that sort of material will not hold up to scrutiny.

And now we have Murari Lal, who was the lead on the section of the IPCC report that dealt with glacier melting, and he admits that “We relied rather heavily on grey (not peer-reviewed) literature, including the WWF report,” and then goes and blames the person who made the statements “The error, if any, lies with Dr Hasnain’s assertion and not with the IPCC authors,”

Interesting.

268 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:51:16pm

re: #262 Jeff In Ohio

Here's a an interesting link as regards to IPCC and peer review.

Where?

269 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:54:55pm

re: #243 ethics

God, I love that movie. :)

Me too. And Idiocracy. Extract wasn't as good, but still worth seeing.

270 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:55:20pm

re: #268 Walter L. Newton

Doh!
[Link: rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com...]

271 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:57:36pm

re: #269 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me too. And Idiocracy.

+1

Every time I look at (and count) my friends' reproductive efforts, I am reminded of that movie.

272 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:57:40pm

For the foodies and garden geeks....
Here are some great ideas for winter vegetables: Jamie At Home Winter Veg
Even if you aren't growing your own there are still a lot of recipe ideas for the winter vegetable you'll find in season at the grocery store. When was the last time you tried fennel bulb or fresh beets? There even an episode devoted to leeks.

273 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #132 Charles

Absolutely not. He said "in peril." You can hear it clearly on the video here:


[Video]

It is clearer here. Also, he he doesn't pause at all after saying the word for emphasis or say the word a little louder in the sentence as one might expect if he had said "hell". It still isn't crystal clear but I would agree with "peril" now. I wonder if O'Reilly's engineers messed with the audio a bit to avoid listeners picking up on that.

274 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 2:59:57pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

For the foodies and garden geeks...
Here are some great ideas for winter vegetables: Jamie At Home Winter Veg
Even if you aren't growing your own there are still a lot of recipe ideas for the winter vegetable you'll find in season at the grocery store. When was the last time you tried fennel bulb or fresh beets? There even an episode devoted to leeks.

/dude wait till after the football OK ?

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:01:24pm

re: #269 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me too. And Idiocracy. Extract wasn't as good, but still worth seeing.

BTW, Maya Rudolph? RAWR.

I've always found her beautiful.

Her mommy was Minnie Riperton.

276 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:01:43pm

re: #270 Jeff In Ohio

Doh!
[Link: rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com...]

That's really, really interesting, because over and over I have been lectured and lectured about the importance and the weight of peer reviewed science and the lack of support of non-peered reviewed data.

Now I'm being told that "grey" material is acceptable by the IPCC. What next? Scribbled notes on napkin during a conference with traces of a bad Chicken Kiev on it?

277 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:02:29pm

re: #274 brookly red

/dude wait till after the football OK ?

While you're watching sweaty men in tights play with a ball the real men are putting food on the table.

278 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:02:53pm

re: #276 Walter L. Newton

That's really, really interesting, because over and over I have been lectured and lectured about the importance and the weight of peer reviewed science and the lack of support of non-peered reviewed data.

Now I'm being told that "grey" material is acceptable by the IPCC. What next? Scribbled notes on napkin during a conference with traces of a bad Chicken Kiev on it?

I saw that one comment too, and had to laugh. Why are we constantly moving the bar when it comes to the science of Global Warming?

279 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:02:59pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

While you're watching sweaty men in tights play with a ball the real men are putting food on the table.

for who?

280 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:05:41pm

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says US using earthquake as pretext to occupy Haiti

281 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:06:34pm

re: #280 ethics

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says US using earthquake as pretext to occupy Haiti

/we don't need no stinkin pretext...

282 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:06:35pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

While you're watching sweaty men in tights play with a ball the real men are putting food on the table.

I just started defrosting the chicken for tonight's dinner while the roommates watch the Chargers... lol

283 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:06:55pm

re: #281 brookly red

/we don't need no stinkin pretext...

LOL!

284 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:07:22pm

re: #278 ethics

I saw that one comment too, and had to laugh. Why are we constantly moving the bar when it comes to the science of Global Warming?

I don't think anyone is moving any bars. I just think that what we are being told at times has no relationship to actual practice. I don't know. Every time I think I have a understanding of the scientific process, I find a contradiction, or at least optional alternatives.

285 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:08:31pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

While you're watching sweaty men in tights play with a ball the real men are putting food on the table.

Big time multi-tasker here. Dinner, game, even have a manhattan going.

286 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:09:23pm

re: #280 ethics

Chavez would send a Venezuelan hospital ship, but he spent the money on nine new soccer stadiums instead.

287 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:10:42pm

re: #284 Walter L. Newton

I don't think anyone is moving any bars. I just think that what we are being told at times has no relationship to actual practice. I don't know. Every time I think I have a understanding of the scientific process, I find a contradiction, or at least optional alternatives.

I f'n hate it when people move bars... ever walk into your local pool hall order & shot & a chaser and find out your in the damn hardware store?

288 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:10:47pm

re: #276 Walter L. Newton
I can not get that deep into the data. Not my field. From the size of the job-We can expect some big mistakes along the way. Like bad evidence getting into a prosecutors evidence. Along with the best evidence, right?

289 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:12:42pm

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Which liberals and green activists are you talking about?

Oh, maybe Al Gore? For starters?

290 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:13:38pm

Okay folks on a more funny note my neighbors just started the bbq. Please click this link for a radar picture of the weather centered on the same zip code. I'm tempted to post a picture of said bbq.

291 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:14:37pm

I think Walter Newton and LostLakeHiker who started this sub-topic I think - make a good point. For anyone interested here is the paragraph in the IPCC report:

Located here:

[Link: www.ipcc.ch...]

"Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other
part of the world (see Table 10.9) and, if the present rate
continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035
and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at
the current rate. Its total area will likely shrink from the present
500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005)."

The last sentence, which could be seen as the sentence the citation refers to rather than the one before it, is not even clear as to what "It's total area" refers to. It seems like maybe there was another sentence before it that may have been edited out but the editor didn't catch the dangling last sentence. Just a guess.

292 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:14:43pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

Bad link. But I can already guess.

293 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:15:06pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

Yup, I'm going to head to the gym before the rains get here. By tonight it will be raining... and all week long probably. It's going to be one wet El Nino winter week here in sunny SoCal.

294 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:15:39pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

I can not get that deep into the data. Not my field. From the size of the job-We can expect some big mistakes along the way. Like bad evidence getting into a prosecutors evidence. Along with the best evidence, right?

I'm not talking about mistakes. I'm talking about plain fact. The fact is, I have been lectured and lecture that peer reviewed material is the only material acceptable to the scientific process.

In the past, I have linked to non-peer reviewed material, or as the IPCC is calling it in the 3 separate sourced articles I linked to, "gray" material. When I have linked to that gray material, I have been chided that the material has not been peer reviewed and there fore, not acceptable.

So, we are not talking about mistakes here, big, small or otherwise, unless you are saying that it was a mistake for me to be told that peer reviewed material is the only acceptable scientific evidence for a topic.

You can't have it both ways, although it now appears that the IPCC has been having it both ways. And I wonder how many more ways?

295 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:16:10pm

re: #292 ryannon

Sorry the link works here. Just look at radar for Los Angeles. I guess the link needs my cookies to work.

296 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:16:31pm

re: #293 freetoken

I'm looking forward to it - except for the driving I will have to do!

297 generalsparky  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:17:22pm

re: #295 Rightwingconspirator

Link worked for me too.

298 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:17:43pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

Okay folks on a more funny note my neighbors just started the bbq. Please click this link for a radar picture of the weather centered on the same zip code. I'm tempted to post a picture of said bbq.

rain... the difference between a bbq & a smoke house.

299 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:18:26pm

re: #290 Rightwingconspirator

Okay folks on a more funny note my neighbors just started the bbq. Please click this link for a radar picture of the weather centered on the same zip code. I'm tempted to post a picture of said bbq.

Must be a guy from Indiana

300 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:18:35pm

The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin

Youtube Video
301 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:18:50pm

Any feel for the Jets/Chargers game now that it's half time?

302 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:19:42pm

re: #301 ethics

Any feel for the Jets/Chargers game now that it's half time?

chargers suck slightly less than the jets?

303 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:20:01pm

re: #291 5string

I think Walter Newton and LostLakeHiker who started this sub-topic I think - make a good point. For anyone interested here is the paragraph in the IPCC report:

Located here:

[Link: www.ipcc.ch...]

"Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other
part of the world (see Table 10.9) and, if the present rate
continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035
and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at
the current rate. Its total area will likely shrink from the present
500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005)."

The last sentence, which could be seen as the sentence the citation refers to rather than the one before it, is not even clear as to what "It's total area" refers to. It seems like maybe there was another sentence before it that may have been edited out but the editor didn't catch the dangling last sentence. Just a guess.

As I just said in comment #294, I am more interested in the concept that "gray" material is acceptable by the IPCC, material that has not passed or received peer review, yet is included as major points in IPCC reports.

That's more of a problem to me than whether this number is right or wrong or if a mistake was made in editing.

I'm not dismissing your points above, just keeping my focus on this peer reviewed concept.

304 keloyd  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:20:02pm

1. When I come to power, or at least get off my buttocks and make my own blog, I will never quote or link to Hollywood people to talk politics or science ever, even when I agree with them. You feed the beast even when you ridicule them. All attention is absorbed and just makes them stronger and wealthier.

2. Re global warming - I can't get past the fact that all the glaciers I've seen on road trips were shrinking BEFORE the industrial revolution. Excess CO2 cannot cause warming predating the industrial revolution. I cannot disagree that we are speeding the thing along somewhat, but the degree is very debatable. Also, the fluctuations (warmer, then colder, then warmer) since the Roman empire are much more large and sudden than anything seen in the last century. I'm all for gas taxes and carbon restrictions to save a dwindling resource, avoid foreign entanglements, and clean up pollution, but the global warming thing is more froth than beer.

3. I also hate hippies.

305 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:20:10pm

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Well I appreciate your stance, I agree you have been questioned on a tough subject here. I'm sorting out is this an error of information that was let in against protocol, or more than that. If the AGW folks are getting sloppy with what they use, how much of it is crap vs well confirmed?

My impression is this is a detail among a ton of well confirmed data.

306 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:20:14pm

re: #302 brookly red

chargers suck slightly less than the jets?

Heh, feels to me like Chargers should be up 21 - 0.

307 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:20:25pm

re: #301 ethics

Any feel for the Jets/Chargers game now that it's half time?

What's the score?

308 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:21:00pm

re: #295 Rightwingconspirator

Sorry the link works here. Just look at radar for Los Angeles. I guess the link needs my cookies to work.

Might just be an idiosyncrasy of Chrome: "DNS error - cannot find server"

It also refuses to open the intellicast.com website via Google...

309 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:21:17pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

What's the score?

7 - 0 Chargers.

310 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:21:24pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

What's the score?

7 zip chargers...

311 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:21:24pm

So if candidate Coakley doesn't pull it out after all and loses, how long will it take the WH spin machine to start bashing her as a ' bad candidate'? Because no way could it be that people are not thrilled with a Democrat...

312 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:21:53pm

re: #311 tradewind

So if candidate Coakley doesn't pull it out after all and loses, how long will it take the WH spin machine to start bashing her as a ' bad candidate'? Because no way could it be that people are not thrilled with a Democrat...

If you were Obama, how would you spin it? ;)

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:22:11pm

Just watching Strongman Competition.

Dudes actual name was Derek Poundstone.

I'm guessing he made that up.

314 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:22:38pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

Uhhh, no a family from much, much further away. Hemispheres away.
*steps around political correctness landmine*

315 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:22:42pm

re: #312 ethics

If you were Obama, how would you spin it? ;)

Blame Bush same as it every was...

316 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:22:43pm

re: #302 brookly red

chargers suck slightly less than the jets?

Defense. Not so great offense so far. (Chargers)

317 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:23:13pm

re: #312 ethics
IMO, if Obama isn't sure that she will pull it out, he should have stayed the hell away, because this little junket would put him 0 for 3 in terms of Obama-to-the-rescue missions.

318 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:23:17pm

re: #316 Stanley Sea

Defense. Not so great offense so far. (Chargers)

That's the only bright spot for the Jets now.

319 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:23:27pm

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just watching Strongman Competition.

Dudes actual name was Derek Poundstone.

I'm guessing he made that up.

No, he's Paula's first husband.

320 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:23:37pm

re: #308 ryannon

I use seamonkey or FF

321 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:23:57pm

Just had some pulled pork bbq (cooked in my smoker, with my homemade Carolina style sauce) for dinner. Om nom nom nom!

322 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:24:07pm

re: #309 ethics

7 - 0 Chargers.

Technically it's 0-7 Chargers..They are the home team.
I wish CBS would put duct tape on Phil Simms sometimes.. He is driving me crazy tonight.

323 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:24:32pm

re: #305 Rightwingconspirator

Well I appreciate your stance, I agree you have been questioned on a tough subject here. I'm sorting out is this an error of information that was let in against protocol, or more than that. If the AGW folks are getting sloppy with what they use, how much of it is crap vs well confirmed?

My impression is this is a detail among a ton of well confirmed data.

No, no, no, no... you are missing what the IPCC is saying. It didn't get in there against protocol... it is protocol... "“We relied rather heavily on grey (not peer-reviewed) literature, including the WWF report,” Lal said." (Indian glaciologist - Murari Lal - the lead author of the IPCC chapter on glacier melting).

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:24:37pm

re: #319 Racer X

Made me think of this...

325 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:24:45pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

As I just said in comment #294, I am more interested in the concept that "gray" material is acceptable by the IPCC, material that has not passed or received peer review, yet is included as major points in IPCC reports.

That's more of a problem to me than whether this number is right or wrong or if a mistake was made in editing.

I'm not dismissing your points above, just keeping my focus on this peer reviewed concept.

Yeah, that's the point I thought you made well. I'm inclined to agree with you. It's possible that this one working group was not managed to the established standards of quality in this case rather than it being pervasive throughout the report.

326 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:24:59pm

re: #311 tradewind

So if candidate Coakley doesn't pull it out after all and loses, how long will it take the WH spin machine to start bashing her as a ' bad candidate'? Because no way could it be that people are not thrilled with a Democrat...

She is a bad candidate though, so calling a spade a spade wouldn't be a spin in my eyes. But with that said, it would still be pretty embarrassing for the Dems and the WH.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:25:38pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

I don't want to root for the Colts now because it's too obvious. Think I'm going to "Geaux Saints" just to piss you off.

328 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:25:43pm

re: #234 Walter L. Newton

You want to try a real sport. Try Kayak Paint Ball Competitions. Kayaks run a gamut of river slalom obstacles while contestants on the river bank tries to take them out with paint ball guns.


Where is that? I work with a kayaker that would go balistic for that!

329 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:26:02pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Made me think of this...


Funniest thing I've seen in a while!

330 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:26:26pm

re: #325 5string

Yeah, that's the point I thought you made well. I'm inclined to agree with you. It's possible that this one working group was not managed to the established standards of quality in this case rather than it being pervasive throughout the report.

I'll take the pessimistic low road, there will be more found, with other working groups as you call them.

331 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:27:26pm

re: #326 Soap_Man

She is a bad candidate though, so calling a spade a spade wouldn't be a spin in my eyes. But with that said, it would still be pretty embarrassing for the Dems and the WH.

/as we speak somewhere out there a press churns out bumper stickers with a curling iron/teabag logo...

332 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:27:48pm

Hey Walter, I made Colorado green chili today. My own version.

333 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:28:47pm

re: #319 Racer X
Wow, what a rep that guy must have, since she describes herself as not lesbian or bi, but asexual.
' Yes, I'm the guy who caused Paula Poundstone to swear off sex for life'....

334 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:28:56pm

I'm going to predict that, as with every other silly story that's supposed to "debunk" global warming, when the full story of this glacier warning business comes out, we're going to discover that someone in this deniers' chain of information (Roger Pielke has ZERO credibility, by the way) did not tell the full truth.

I've seen this scenario play out over and over and over.

335 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:29:20pm

re: #328 Cathypop

Where is that? I work with a kayaker that would go balistic for that!

Er... read my profile... "Actor, playwright, humor writer and mountain man"

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:29:47pm

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

Er... read my profile... "Actor, playwright, humor writer and mountain man"

Dude... I thought you were serious too.

337 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:30:12pm

re: #316 Stanley Sea

Defense. Not so great offense so far. (Chargers)

I'm not too old, but I remember a time when "defense wins championships" was the golden rule. The Jets have the best defense and the best rushing offense, yet they will probably still lose.

All four remaining teams will be there because of elite quarterbacks (Manning, Brees and Favre) or a very good QB (Rivers) and not because of their defenses.

The league has changed.

338 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:30:51pm

re: #261 Jeff In Ohio

Here's a more balanced news piece.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Oh, dear me. That asshole is not qualified to join the Senate.

339 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:30:59pm

re: #311 tradewind

So if candidate Coakley doesn't pull it out after all and loses, how long will it take the WH spin machine to start bashing her as a ' bad candidate'? Because no way could it be that people are not thrilled with a Democrat...

Idk; How long did it take the GOP to do that with McCain? No way it could be that people weren't thrilled with a Republican. Oh, that's right: before he even lost.

340 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:31:03pm

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

Er... read my profile... "Actor, playwright, humor writer and mountain man"

but "shoot the freak" on the Coney Island boardwalk ids for real...

341 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:31:18pm

re: #334 Charles

I'm going to predict that, as with every other silly story that's supposed to "debunk" global warming, when the full story of this glacier warning business comes out, we're going to discover that someone in this deniers' chain of information (Roger Pielke has ZERO credibility, by the way) did not tell the full truth.

I've seen this scenario play out over and over and over.

That's why I didn't link to Pielke, that's why I linked to three separate sources for this information, staring with the BBC article that is well over a month old (12-5-2008). I would never knowledgeably use Pielke as a source... the other, not so bad.

342 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:32:06pm

Purple People Eaters saved the day...

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:32:35pm

re: #342 albusteve

Hiya Bish. I'm bummed.

344 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:33:03pm

re: #338 MandyManners

Oh, dear me. That asshole is not qualified to join the Senate.

what scares me is how well she would fit in....

345 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:34:06pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Bish. I'm bummed.

me too....not even a game, sort of a walk through for the Vikings...
"what's that?....oh that's a Cowboy lineman, no bother, just go around him"

346 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:34:12pm

Joe Bonamassa-Tea For One

Youtube Video
347 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:34:35pm

re: #344 brookly red

what scares me is how well she would fit in...

100 doofi

348 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:34:47pm

re: #342 albusteve

Purple People Eaters saved the day...

You're back..I figured after the Cowboy's game somebody would find you hanging naked in the closet.
/

349 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:34:50pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

I'll take the pessimistic low road, there will be more found, with other working groups as you call them.

Hmmm! With this much politically motivated scrutiny I'd be surprised if there's anything in there that hasn't been used to discredit the report if there's any possibility to do it. Remember - this was from the 2007 report - not the latest. I'm surprised it wasn't found sooner.

350 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:35:08pm

re: #338 MandyManners
Not only that, she can't tell the diff between the Yankees and the Red Sox.//
[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:35:23pm

re: #214 ethics

Well, someone's getting a little overzealous in Brownie land.
Looks like someone has been burning Coakly signs.

[Link: bluemassgroup.com...]

Ah, that's no good. However this turns out, there's gonna be a lot of bad feeling. Adding to it is just dumbass.

352 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:36:19pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton
Sure I get it from LVQ that "peer reviewed" is critical. So the IPCC is caught out on "grey" data in this case. Less strict that our own LVQ. Good catch in terms of the discussions here. 3 sources.
Okay on these glaciers they got it wrong. The date or the concept of the speed is wrong. Or under supported. But just there. Overall there is still plenty of reviewed data to confirm the A in AGW.

353 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:36:48pm

re: #347 albusteve

100 doofi

I promised Walter I wouldn't bring up the Cowboys, so I won't...

354 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:36:59pm

re: #348 HoosierHoops

You're back..I figured after the Cowboy's game somebody would find you hanging naked in the closet.
/

I got too drunk to reload my shotgun....
jus kidding
what a terrible show that was

355 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:37:23pm

For $65, tourists get peek at Los Angeles gangland

Only miles from the scenic vistas and celebrity mansions that draw sightseers from around the globe - but a world away from the glitz and glamour - a bus tour is rolling through the dark side of the city's gang turf.

Passengers paying $65 a head Saturday signed waivers acknowledging they could be crime victims and put their fate in the hands of tattooed ex-gang members who say they have negotiated a cease-fire among rivals in the most violent gangland in America.

I am speechless: [Link: apnews.myway.com...]

356 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:37:37pm

re: #349 5string

Hmmm! With this much politically motivated scrutiny I'd be surprised if there's anything in there that hasn't been used to discredit the report if there's any possibility to do it. Remember - this was from the 2007 report - not the latest. I'm surprised it wasn't found sooner.

Science has nothing to do with politics, just like it has nothing to do with religion.

357 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:37:45pm

re: #344 brookly red

what scares me is how well she would fit in...

I'm gonna' disagree. I cannot fathom anyone letting someone arrested for raping a toddler out on a no-cash bond.

358 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:37:48pm

re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude... I thought you were serious too.

Hah! I was going to ask which part Walter had played in the sport.

359 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:37:59pm

re: #344 brookly red

Chubby Vegan? don't believe we have met?

360 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38:05pm

re: #342 albusteve

Purple People Eaters saved the day...

I was shocked actually. I thought the Viks were good, but so surprised at how it turned out for the 'Boy's.

361 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38:34pm

re: #353 brookly red

I promised Walter I wouldn't bring up the Cowboys, so I won't...

maybe it's therapeutic for some of us....form a circle

362 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38:40pm

re: #326 Soap_Man

Calling a spade a spade may not be a spin in my eyes


.....but don't let the PC police see you using that one in the same sentence with Obama. It'd definitely be a sin in their eyes.///

363 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38:44pm

re: #346 Racer X

Favorite.

364 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:38:47pm

re: #352 Rightwingconspirator

Sure I get it from LVQ that "peer reviewed" is critical. So the IPCC is caught out on "grey" data in this case. Less strict that our own LVQ. Good catch in terms of the discussions here. 3 sources.
Okay on these glaciers they got it wrong. The date or the concept of the speed is wrong. Or under supported. But just there. Overall there is still plenty of reviewed data to confirm the A in AGW.

Grey data... no, they were not caught, evidently, by their own admission, using it is protocol.

365 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:39:36pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

I was shocked actually. I thought the Viks were good, but so surprised at how it turned out for the 'Boy's.

O line mailed it in...just awfull

366 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:40:10pm

re: #357 MandyManners

I'm gonna' disagree. I cannot fathom anyone letting someone arrested for raping a toddler out on a no-cash bond.

oh yeah well there is that part... but don't worry the big O says she is OK...

367 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:40:20pm

As bad as Coakley has run her campaign, after seeing this revelation, there is no way in hell I can give any support at all for Scott Brown - and I would hope that it would hold true for any sane person.
Link goes to Matthew Yglesias article, but it simply links to the video.

Scott Brown: Birther

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #365 albusteve

Ain't puttin' a bit of it on Tony. He may has well have been gangbanged.

369 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #355 ethics

For $65, tourists get peek at Los Angeles gangland

I am speechless: [Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Before you swallow your gum, check out their website: maybe not so bad after all...

[Link: www.lagangtours.com...]

370 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:41:42pm

re: #367 RadicalModerate
Still, what to do.... birther vs DA who lets child rapist off.....not such a tough call.

371 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:42:13pm

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ain't puttin' a bit of it on Tony. He may has well have been gangbanged.

he was...mugged...those guys owe him an apology, there is just no excuse to get beat like that on so many plays...everyone of them got beat

372 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:42:30pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

Science has nothing to do with politics, just like it has nothing to do with religion.

No argument there. But, no matter what the science says, politicians who we elect are going to decide what we're going to do about AGW. So, the politics of the IPCC Report, and its scientific credibility as understood by voters is very much part of that equation.

That's why the deniers are doing so much to cloud the issue.

373 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:42:33pm

re: #367 RadicalModerate

As bad as Coakley has run her campaign, after seeing this revelation, there is no way in hell I can give any support at all for Scott Brown - and I would hope that it would hold true for any sane person.
Link goes to Matthew Yglesias article, but it simply links to the video.

Scott Brown: Birther

Are you in Ma.?

374 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:43:35pm

re: #370 tradewind

Still, what to do... birther vs DA who lets child rapist off...not such a tough call.

one would think...

375 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #372 5string

No argument there. But, no matter what the science says, politicians who we elect are going to decide what we're going to do about AGW. So, the politics of the IPCC Report, and its scientific credibility as understood by voters is very much part of that equation.

That's why the deniers are doing so much to cloud the issue.

Why did the IPCC allow "grey" material to be used as the cornerstone of their report on melting glaciers?

376 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:44:14pm

re: #370 tradewind

Still, what to do... birther vs DA who lets child rapist off...not such a tough call.

don't vote...they won't represent you anyway

377 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:44:22pm

re: #367 RadicalModerate

If you read the comments, it is not at all clear that Brown is questioning whether Obama was a citizen, rather there is a discussion comparing his mother's unwed situation when he was conceived to the Bristol Palin flap.

378 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:45:38pm

re: #376 albusteve

don't vote...they won't represent you anyway

I can't go for that, uh-uh, no can do...

379 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #377 tradewind

If you read the comments, it is not at all clear that Brown is questioning whether Obama was a citizen, rather there is a discussion comparing his mother's unwed situation when he was conceived to the Bristol Palin flap.

I wonder what he did in college and why there is a shroud of secrecy around it..of course leftists will say there isn't

380 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:46:40pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

Why did the IPCC allow "grey" material to be used as the cornerstone of their report on melting glaciers?

Now you're the one exaggerating, Walter. Of all the material the IPCC has put together, in what sense is the inclusion of a date, "2035", makes that particular instance a "cornerstone"?

381 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:47:05pm

re: #376 albusteve
The heads of the Republican party in every state are making calls to get people to call everyone they know in MA re this election, given that the Senate majority is riding on the outcome.
Personally, if I were in MA, I would vote against Coakley just to show the DNC there's no such thing as the Kennedy Memorial Senate Seat.

382 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:47:27pm

re: #367 RadicalModerate

As bad as Coakley has run her campaign, after seeing this revelation, there is no way in hell I can give any support at all for Scott Brown - and I would hope that it would hold true for any sane person.
Link goes to Matthew Yglesias article, but it simply links to the video.

Scott Brown: Birther

I watched the video and didn't see anything regarding birtherism. It was just in reference to parentage and it's tough to figure out his point since the video stops at that comment.

383 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:48:12pm

re: #380 freetoken

Now you're the one exaggerating, Walter. Of all the material the IPCC has put together, in what sense is the inclusion of a date, "2035", makes that particular instance a "cornerstone"?

Did you read the articles I linked to?

384 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:48:31pm

re: #381 tradewind

The heads of the Republican party in every state are making calls to get people to call everyone they know in MA re this election, given that the Senate majority is riding on the outcome.
Personally, if I were in MA, I would vote against Coakley just to show the DNC there's no such thing as the Kennedy Memorial Senate Seat.

I'm having a hard time caring anymore...I think the Ben Nelson thing broke the back

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:48:43pm

re: #377 tradewind

If you read the comments, it is not at all clear that Brown is questioning whether Obama was a citizen, rather there is a discussion comparing his mother's unwed situation when he was conceived to the Bristol Palin flap.

He doesn't mention the citizenship. He brings it up that Obama's mother was eighteen when he was born, the woman on the panel says "And married", and he laughs a little, and says "well, I'm not sure about that, but she was eighteen years old..."

386 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:48:48pm

re: #377 tradewind

If you read the comments, it is not at all clear that Brown is questioning whether Obama was a citizen, rather there is a discussion comparing his mother's unwed situation when he was conceived to the Bristol Palin flap.

His mother was wed.

And the birther crap reappears again. yuck

387 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:49:15pm

re: #380 freetoken

Now you're the one exaggerating, Walter. Of all the material the IPCC has put together, in what sense is the inclusion of a date, "2035", makes that particular instance a "cornerstone"?

And second, I am talking about one report, the cornerstone of one report, and the 2035 date is not the only data we are talking about. Rad the articles I linked to and read the statements by Lal of the IPCC...

388 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:49:19pm

re: #379 albusteve
That's ancient history, IMO. Hopefully everyone has just Movedon. (org)
I don't give a rats where Obama was conceived or when. I'm much more worried about his plans for the future.

389 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:49:30pm

re: #335 Walter L. Newton

Er... read my profile... "Actor, playwright, humor writer and mountain man"


I am going to tell my friend to do this. Kyakers will enjoy it. They are a crazy group of people and I enjoy his stories of kyaking.

390 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:49:35pm

re: #379 albusteve

I wonder what he did in college and why there is a shroud of secrecy around it..of course leftists will say there isn't

Now that I've joined a forum with sane people (blatant suckup), I can ask someone and get a real answer about the Sekrit Rekords: what exactly is hidden that you want access to? Not "well, we don't even know what's there!", but what records, specifically, do you/others want access to that you feel are germane to a politician's past or present? What do you/others want to see that you have been denied access to, and do you think that denial was legitimate?

391 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:49:50pm

re: #384 albusteve
Yeah, but the motherhusker is sorry now.///

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:50:03pm

re: #379 albusteve

I wonder what he did in college and why there is a shroud of secrecy around it..of course leftists will say there isn't

OK, I'll say it. There really isn't.

Or, maybe there is. Can you direct me to the information on all the classes McCain took as an undergraduate, and how he did in them? I want to see what I should be asking for.

393 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:50:25pm

re: #380 freetoken

Now you're the one exaggerating, Walter. Of all the material the IPCC has put together, in what sense is the inclusion of a date, "2035", makes that particular instance a "cornerstone"?

So, you are the one exaggerating. since I am not talking about anything near what you are stating... if you are going to quote me, do it accurately.

394 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:50:49pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. There really isn't.

Or, maybe there is. Can you direct me to the information on all the classes McCain took as an undergraduate, and how he did in them? I want to see what I should be asking for.

I'll get my fishing rod!
;)

395 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:50:55pm

re: #389 Cathypop

I am going to tell my friend to do this. Kyakers will enjoy it. They are a crazy group of people and I enjoy his stories of kyaking.

I have a patent on the idea... please don't do that.

396 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:51:06pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

He doesn't mention the citizenship. He brings it up that Obama's mother was eighteen when he was born, the woman on the panel says "And married", and he laughs a little, and says "well, I'm not sure about that, but she was eighteen years old..."

Thank you. "I'm just asking questions" hits a new low as "well, I can't confirm what I don't know myself..."

397 keloyd  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:51:23pm

Does it matter if you're a birther if you can't do anything about it?

Stop being honest and idealistic and put on your Machiavelli hats. The birther thing is off-putting to people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. A few thousand wingnuts may be more likely to show up and vote in an off year if he flirts with them a little. It harms no one and may be a smart move.

For the record, the birth certificate of K. E. Loyd is also from Hawaii, also says "certificate of live birth" instead of "birth certificate" so maybe Obama and I are both seekrit muslims.

398 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:51:36pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

Why did the IPCC allow "grey" material to be used as the cornerstone of their report on melting glaciers?

I suspect that question is occupying the minds of several IPCC working group leaders as we speak - and that we'll be hearing much more about this in the coming days - at least partly thanks to this blog.

399 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:51:54pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

I have a patent on the idea... please don't do that.

We will see what the crazy kyakers do!

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:51:57pm

re: #386 Stanley Sea

His mother was wed.

And the birther crap reappears again. yuck

This isn't crazy like the Kenya conspiracists, but it's extremely trashy. And the woman talking to him has a good point, which he doesn't bother to address.

401 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:52:41pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

Walter, there's plenty of non-peer-reviewed things that still have scientific credibility. Letters to PNAS, for example, are not peer-reviewed. There's a host of modern journals that are only editor-reviewed but publish much faster-- everyone's kind of trying those out right now, seeing how they function in comparison to peer-review.

A paper is the same paper if its published in a peer-reviewed journal or an editor-reviewed journal.

However, when you can find almost zero peer-reviewed papers supporting a position-- as with criticisms of AGW-- and a huge abundance of papers supporting a position that are only published in non-peer reviewed journals, that's a sign of the lack of scientific credibility.

I'm not sure what's up with this glacier report in particular, just trying to help you understand why this attack on the IPCC is probably just dishonest cherrypicking-- after all, the article also says:

It follows the so-called climate-gate scandal, where British scientists apparently tried to prevent other researchers from accessing key date.

402 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:54:01pm

re: #130 Charles

How about it?

I don't believe the story, first of all, until it's confirmed by a source that doesn't have a history of promoting denialist claims.

Second, even if it's true and the warning was in error, it has no effect whatsoever on the massive amounts of other information on global warming that is not in any doubt.

As to point (1), you've got your confirmation now, right?

As to point (2), exactly. The case for AGW is solid. My point was, and remains, that it hurts the public's ability to grasp this fact when enthusiasts claim more than is warranted by the evidence.

The real evidence is sobering enough.

403 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:54:34pm

Since the IPCC is a summary process, it is and always will be behind the state of the art as far as published scientific papers on AGW.

The IPCC reports of 2007 don't include any research reported after 2006.

Since 2006 there has been quite a bit published on glaciers; I've linked to a few reports here over the past couple of years.

There is no doubt the Earth is losing substantial quantities of ice.

There is no doubt that glaciers are shrinking, and shrinking faster than any time in human history. To find a period of faster ice loss one has to go to the pre-historic period.

Trying to put a hard date on the loss of any set of glaciers is not scientific (there will always be error bars).

The IPCC writes documents that summarize scientific data for the purpose of non-scientists making decisions, i.e., politicians ("decision makers" in the parlance of diplomacy.)

Peer review is simply the acknowledgement that the peers of any given scientist know more about the subject than those outside the field. While an important process in research and a vital hurdle put up to prevent dishonesty, it is not a guarantee of absolute truth. Scientifically derived "truths" are tested over time, refined or rejected. After 500 years of western science it has been discovered that peer review is an important process to help in the process of scientific discovery.

404 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:54:55pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'll say it. There really isn't.

Or, maybe there is. Can you direct me to the information on all the classes McCain took as an undergraduate, and how he did in them? I want to see what I should be asking for.

I thought it was common knowledge that UI has his records as a state senator locked up...the Annenberg Challenge stuff, connection to Bill Ayres

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:54:55pm

re: #396 torrentprime

Thank you. "I'm just asking questions" hits a new low as "well, I can't confirm what I don't know myself..."

Please, my apologies to anyone who may be offended by this--I have no issue with, nor disdain for families with unwed mothers--but given the long-time norms of this society, that is the slidiest, sneakiest way of calling a presidential candidate a bastard that I ever did see.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:54:56pm

OT... "The Men Who Stare At Goats" was a fun movie. Stephen Root was in it too.

407 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:55:36pm

re: #401 Obdicut

Walter, there's plenty of non-peer-reviewed things that still have scientific credibility. Letters to PNAS, for example, are not peer-reviewed. There's a host of modern journals that are only editor-reviewed but publish much faster-- everyone's kind of trying those out right now, seeing how they function in comparison to peer-review.

A paper is the same paper if its published in a peer-reviewed journal or an editor-reviewed journal.

However, when you can find almost zero peer-reviewed papers supporting a position-- as with criticisms of AGW-- and a huge abundance of papers supporting a position that are only published in non-peer reviewed journals, that's a sign of the lack of scientific credibility.

I'm not sure what's up with this glacier report in particular, just trying to help you understand why this attack on the IPCC is probably just dishonest cherrypicking-- after all, the article also says:

I guess we will have to see where this goes in the near future, won't we?

"I'm not sure what's up with this glacier report in particular.." Then read it and get back to me.

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:55:46pm

re: #397 keloyd

Does it matter if you're a birther if you can't do anything about it?

Stop being honest and idealistic and put on your Machiavelli hats. The birther thing is off-putting to people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. A few thousand wingnuts may be more likely to show up and vote in an off year if he flirts with them a little. It harms no one and may be a smart move.

For the record, the birth certificate of K. E. Loyd is also from Hawaii, also says "certificate of live birth" instead of "birth certificate" so maybe Obama and I are both seekrit muslims.

Do you get a neat hat or anything? Is there a handshake?

409 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:55:55pm

re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... "The Men Who Stare At Goats" was a fun movie. Stephen Root was in it too.

Did he burn anything down???

410 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:56:20pm

I would rather vote for a birther who believed the Earth is flat than vote for Coakley after reading Jeff's No. 261.

411 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:56:50pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

Please, my apologies to anyone who may be offended by this--I have no issue with, nor disdain for families with unwed mothers--but given the long-time norms of this society, that is the slidiest, sneakiest way of calling a presidential candidate a bastard that I ever did see.

Agree. I was thanking you for your post because I thought Brown's comment was disgusting. No offense taken here.

412 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:57:06pm

re: #289 lostlakehiker

Oh, maybe Al Gore? For starters?

Really, just one.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #404 albusteve

I thought it was common knowledge that UI has his records as a state senator locked up...the Annenberg Challenge stuff, connection to Bill Ayres

OK, now, please tell me where I can get all of McCain's college records, which is where we came in. Don't start telling me about state senator. Let's begin at the beginning.

414 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:57:25pm

re: #410 MandyManners

I would rather vote for a birther who believed the Earth is flat than vote for Coakley after reading Jeff's No. 261.

I'd stay home...or write in...

415 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:57:40pm

Damn, this blog requires coffee to keep up. Glad I'm the Seattle area.

416 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:57:42pm

re: #408 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you get a neat hat or anything? Is there a handshake?

/I guess it would just be the standard lib handshake... just walk up & put your hand in my pocket...

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:58:09pm

re: #408 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you get a neat hat or anything? Is there a handshake?

Well, you do get a hat...

*runs away giggling*

418 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:58:13pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

"I'm not sure what's up with this glacier report in particular.." Then read it and get back to me.

There are plenty of people better qualified than I to do that, Walter. I was merely explaining that peer-review, while absolutely vital to the scientific process, is not the only way that scientific information gets out there. But, again, if someone is unable to produce any peer-reviewed papers supporting their position, it is very unlikely that position has merit.

Freetoken, I think, did a good summation of this report in the context of the IPCC.

419 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:58:27pm

Cowboys' Keith Brooking calls late Vikings "classless" for late touchdown

This isn't high school. You're a grown man playing a grown-up sport. Crybaby.

420 keloyd  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:58:56pm

re: #408 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, you do. It's way better than my fedora. As for the handshake, better not say too much here.
Image: W020070720540183403846.GIF

421 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:59:15pm

re: #419 Soap_Man

Cowboys' Keith Brooking calls late Vikings "classless" for late touchdown

This isn't high school. You're a grown man playing a grown-up sport. Crybaby.

Ha! Like the Cowboys would do any different if they were the ones up by 24 points...:D

422 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:59:21pm

re: #403 freetoken

Since the IPCC is a summary process, it is and always will be behind the state of the art as far as published scientific papers on AGW.

The IPCC reports of 2007 don't include any research reported after 2006.

Since 2006 there has been quite a bit published on glaciers; I've linked to a few reports here over the past couple of years.

There is no doubt the Earth is losing substantial quantities of ice.

There is no doubt that glaciers are shrinking, and shrinking faster than any time in human history. To find a period of faster ice loss one has to go to the pre-historic period.

Trying to put a hard date on the loss of any set of glaciers is not scientific (there will always be error bars).

The IPCC writes documents that summarize scientific data for the purpose of non-scientists making decisions, i.e., politicians ("decision makers" in the parlance of diplomacy.)

Peer review is simply the acknowledgement that the peers of any given scientist know more about the subject than those outside the field. While an important process in research and a vital hurdle put up to prevent dishonesty, it is not a guarantee of absolute truth. Scientifically derived "truths" are tested over time, refined or rejected. After 500 years of western science it has been discovered that peer review is an important process to help in the process of scientific discovery.

I hate to use such anti-science, conservative, political sources, but here we go again...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

And then we go closer to the source, India (I guess India would have no idea what's going on in the Himalayas.

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

I'm not going to argue around the topic. At least not the topic I am talking about. The topic. It's apparent that the IPCC will use non-peer reviewed "grey" material if it suits their purpose.

423 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:59:25pm

re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now, please tell me where I can get all of McCain's college records, which is where we came in. Don't start telling me about state senator. Let's begin at the beginning.

why should I care about McCain?...why do you?...he's irrelevant

424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 3:59:36pm

re: #419 Soap_Man

Pissed me off too, growed up mens should be able to handle it.

425 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:00:02pm

re: #417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, you do get a hat...

*runs away giggling*

I noticed this weekend watching football that there are now more Viagra commercials than Beer commercials...

426 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:00:58pm

re: #421 Varek Raith

Ha! Like the Cowboys would do any different if they were the ones up by 24 points...:D

There is a quote that sums this up perfectly. It was a baseball manger (I forget who) that was responding to complaints from the losing team of running up the score.

"Okay, I'll promise not to score any more runs if they promise not to score any more runs."

427 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:01:06pm

re: #304 keloyd

1. When I come to power, or at least get off my buttocks and make my own blog, I will never quote or link to Hollywood people to talk politics or science ever, even when I agree with them. You feed the beast even when you ridicule them. All attention is absorbed and just makes them stronger and wealthier.

2. Re global warming - I can't get past the fact that all the glaciers I've seen on road trips were shrinking BEFORE the industrial revolution. Excess CO2 cannot cause warming predating the industrial revolution. I cannot disagree that we are speeding the thing along somewhat, but the degree is very debatable. Also, the fluctuations (warmer, then colder, then warmer) since the Roman empire are much more large and sudden than anything seen in the last century. I'm all for gas taxes and carbon restrictions to save a dwindling resource, avoid foreign entanglements, and clean up pollution, but the global warming thing is more froth than beer.

3. I also hate hippies.

The pace of retreat is dramatic. If the glaciers had been retreating at their current rate for the past few thousand years, they would have covered the tropics back then.

You are mistaken in your belief that other fluctuations in the last 2000 years have been just as big as this one. Global warming is more beer than froth.

Still, as you say, there are other reasons to be doing some of the things that AGW makes urgent. That's what makes part of the needed response to AGW painless: we'd only be doing what would be wise in any case.

428 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:01:18pm

re: #386 Stanley Sea
I guess Michelle misspoke.
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

429 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:01:26pm

re: #418 Obdicut

There are plenty of people better qualified than I to do that, Walter. I was merely explaining that peer-review, while absolutely vital to the scientific process, is not the only way that scientific information gets out there. But, again, if someone is unable to produce any peer-reviewed papers supporting their position, it is very unlikely that position has merit.

Freetoken, I think, did a good summation of this report in the context of the IPCC.

Then why would the IPCC use grey material (by their own admission) to head this certain report about Himalayan glacier melting? I guess they didn't have any peer-reviewed material produced to back the claim up?

430 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:01:36pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I omitted the word "but".

431 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:02:19pm

re: #404 albusteve

I thought it was common knowledge that UI has his records as a state senator locked up...the Annenberg Challenge stuff, connection to Bill Ayres

so... You know about the relationship and apparently records that... talk about that? Which ones haven't you seen? What about the Annenberg Challenge are you waiting to find out about? What "records"? What does UI have about his state senate career that isn't available through public channels that you want to read that you/someone has been denied access to?

432 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

And again, Walter, there is nothing omininous or weird about the use of 'gray' data in science.

The letters to PNAS, for example:

[Link: www.pnas.org...]

Are a non-peer-reviewed selection of letters written by members of the AS, reviewed by the editors. They are not peer-reviewed, but form a very important part of American scientific discourse.

433 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #432 Obdicut

And again, Walter, there is nothing omininous or weird about the use of 'gray' data in science.

The letters to PNAS, for example:

[Link: www.pnas.org...]

Are a non-peer-reviewed selection of letters written by members of the AS, reviewed by the editors. They are not peer-reviewed, but form a very important part of American scientific discourse.

Then the next time I link to some non-peer reviewed material, let's see how much hell breaks loose. You haven't been around here long enough to probably understand what I am saying.

434 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:04:14pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pissed me off too, growed up mens should be able to handle it.

If the Cowboys didn't want the Vikings to score any more touchdowns, then they should have stopped them from doing so. They didn't. Boo-f'ing-hoo.

435 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:04:21pm

re: #426 Soap_Man

There is a quote that sums this up perfectly. It was a baseball manger (I forget who) that was responding to complaints from the losing team of running up the score.

"Okay, I'll promise not to score any more runs if they promise not to score any more runs."

well if I were coaching the Vikings I would have pulled my starters out in the 4th Q... why risk an injury.

436 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:04:22pm

re: #431 torrentprime

so... You know about the relationship and apparently records that... talk about that? Which ones haven't you seen? What about the Annenberg Challenge are you waiting to find out about? What "records"? What does UI have about his state senate career that isn't available through public channels that you want to read that you/someone has been denied access to?

not sure, I'm curious about all of it...are you having a stroke?

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:04:38pm

re: #423 albusteve

why should I care about McCain?...why do you?...he's irrelevant

I don't, actually, care about McCain. He's not irrevelent, he has many years of service ahead of him, but he's not president.

But you started off like this:

re: #379 albusteve--I wonder what he did in college and why there is a shroud of secrecy around it..of course leftists will say there isn't

Now, the only way for me to determine what information a person proposing to be president should release about his college years so there is not a shroud of secrecy around it would be for me to see an example of the records of someone with no shroud. McCain came to mind. GW Bush would be fine too, if you prefer someone who actually served as president. But I can't accept this shroud crap, until I see an example of what Obama should release and hasn't.

So I asked for that information, and you changed the subject.

438 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:05:13pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

It's apparent that the IPCC will use non-peer reviewed "grey" material if it suits their purpose.

And in this case for a alarmist prediction using a hard date and the qualification - highly likely. Not good IMO although I agree with the IPCC Report's general conclusions. The earth is significantly warming. It is being almost certainly caused by human activities. The game now is for coal, oil and other polluters to cloud the issue enough to minimize the legislative hit to their profits - that any efforts to mitigate the damage would cause.

439 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:05:25pm

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

For the record I get it. LGF is running on a stricter peer reviewed standard than the IPCC summaries. You made a good case.

440 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:05:54pm

re: #428 tradewind

I guess Michelle misspoke.
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

Oh Trade, I think that quote from Michelle refers to the point that Barack Sr. was gone and she raised the child alone. I've never heard until the video posted above that Ann Dunham was unmarried. I heard every other slam, but unmarried, really - never.

441 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:07:03pm

re: #436 albusteve

not sure, I'm curious about all of it...are you having a stroke?

Well, getting an answer to this question can do that to a man...

I'm just trying to get someone to name something that "has been hidden from 'Merka". The claim is that "the" records are sealed and hidden away. So, the question, "what records and why should we want to see them?" seems fairly germane. Still waiting for answer, btw.

442 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:07:07pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

To back up the claim that glaciers are retreating at an incredibly rapid pace to due AGW, or the specific claim about the Himilayan glaciers? Because there's a wealth of peer-reviewed information about the former.

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

Then the next time I link to some non-peer reviewed material, let's see how much hell breaks loose. You haven't been around here long enough to probably understand what I am saying.

Well, if you post non-peer-reviewed material from, say the Heritage Institute (not saying you would, just as an example), that would be treated very differently than non-peer-reviewed material from PNAS.

The credibility of the source matters even more if the information is not peer-reviewed.

443 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist
Since he graduated from the Naval Academy ( close to the bottom, he admits), it's likely that he didn't take any radical courses from professors who resembled Ward Churchill.///

444 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:07:43pm

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

For the record I get it. LGF is running on a stricter peer reviewed standard than the IPCC summaries. You made a good case.

I think so as well. And I am not sure about LGF but will use some of the quotes here by GW believers and about peer reviews.

"you can have serious science without peer reviews"
Ok then! :)

445 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:07:44pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, the only way for me to determine what information a person proposing to be president should release about his college years so there is not a shroud of secrecy around it would be for me to see an example of the records of someone with no shroud. McCain came to mind. GW Bush would be fine too, if you prefer someone who actually served as president. But I can't accept this shroud crap, until I see an example of what Obama should release and hasn't.

So I asked for that information, and you changed the subject.

don't be silly...I have not changed any subject or offered any particular context for my question....I'm curious, nothing special about it beyond that

446 Soap_Man  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:08:33pm

re: #435 brookly red

well if I were coaching the Vikings I would have pulled my starters out in the 4th Q... why risk an injury.

Yeah, I would have pulled the starters out after the third Rice TD. That was the final nail in the coffin.

My laptop will soon die and I forgot my charger at the GF's, so I'll see you folks later. Stay safe.

447 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:08:33pm

re: #443 tradewind

Since he graduated from the Naval Academy ( close to the bottom, he admits), it's likely that he didn't take any radical courses from professors who resembled Ward Churchill.///

But, we don't know that! He never released them!!
/see how silly this all is? :)

448 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:08:54pm

OMG Jets up 10 -7 in the 4th...

449 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:09:06pm

re: #448 brookly red

OMG Jets up 10 -7 in the 4th...

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

450 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:09:37pm

re: #438 5string

And in this case for a alarmist prediction using a hard date and the qualification - highly likely. Not good IMO although I agree with the IPCC Report's general conclusions. The earth is significantly warming. It is being almost certainly caused by human activities. The game now is for coal, oil and other polluters to cloud the issue enough to minimize the legislative hit to their profits - that any efforts to mitigate the damage would cause.

Not ONCE have I said anything that I deny the earth is warming, or that this data or that data is wrong.

I am talking about process and procedure. That's suspect in my opinion. If that leads to a problem with the data, it will be much smarter people than me who will discover that.

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:09:53pm

re: #434 Soap_Man

I totally agree. I omitted the word "but".

452 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:10:14pm

re: #449 ethics

YEAHHH!!!

/Silence! eater of Dominoes...

453 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:10:47pm

re: #452 brookly red

/Silence! eater of Dominoes...

Still haunts you, doesn't it?
:)

454 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:10:54pm

re: #440 Stanley Sea
Hell's bells, it wouldn't be a slam. Who the hell cares in this day and age if people are married before they are expecting? Kudos if they get married, I say. Not joking.
Whether or not she thought she was married, though, may be moot, since supposedly Obama's father was still married to a woman in Kenya at the time of his birth.
Again.....not a lot to really care about there unless you're desperate or ignorant.

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:11:04pm

re: #448 brookly red

OMG Jets up 10 -7 in the 4th...

Jets have a bad-ass defense.

456 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:11:21pm

re: #447 Varek Raith
Serially silly.

457 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:11:27pm

re: #453 Varek Raith

Still haunts you, doesn't it?
:)

/THIS I shall not forgive...

458 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:11:54pm

Now, I got to go watch episode of "Dollhouse." Promised the step-critters... I made the watch 3 hours of some previous LOST episodes yesterday. Save your IPCC comments to me for about an hour.

BB in about an hour.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:11:58pm

re: #443 tradewind

Since he graduated from the Naval Academy ( close to the bottom, he admits), it's likely that he didn't take any radical courses from professors who resembled Ward Churchill.///

Probably true, so--What is he hiding, then, if he won't release all the records? Who might have gotten to the young John McCain? Are the stories they tell about moderate Republicans teaching political history at the USNA in the '50s true? Was his advisor a Soviet mole? Inquiring minds want to know!

//

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:12:34pm

re: #445 albusteve

don't be silly...I have not changed any subject or offered any particular context for my question...I'm curious, nothing special about it beyond that

You're flinging mud and then pretending not to. Some days it annoys me more than others.

461 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:13:29pm

re: #441 torrentprime

Well, getting an answer to this question can do that to a man...

I'm just trying to get someone to name something that "has been hidden from 'Merka". The claim is that "the" records are sealed and hidden away. So, the question, "what records and why should we want to see them?" seems fairly germane. Still waiting for answer, btw.

I already told you what's supposedly sealed up....there is plenty of sources all over the net about these sealed records, and the difficulty of getting access to them...where then is his work at Harvard?

462 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:13:34pm

Hot Air and NewsBusters are thrilled that anti-abortion lunatics freak out at an Obama speech and scream about babies are bible verses. Here's the video they link to.....
Puppet President Obama Heckled - Jan 17 2010

Youtube Video


Nobody seems troubled that the video was uploaded by a Paulian, New World Order, 9-11 Thruther named ThePhaedrus83.

463 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:13:35pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably true, so--What is he hiding, then, if he won't release all the records? Who might have gotten to the young John McCain? Are the stories they tell about moderate Republicans teaching political history at the USNA in the '50s true? Was his advisor a Soviet mole? Inquiring minds want to know!

//

Is that you Ted Sampley?

//

464 windsagio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:14:23pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

(get distracted for a bit, come back and its freakin 400 posts later >>)

Concern-trolling is the new black.


"But I'm just raising issues!"

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:14:26pm

re: #461 albusteve

I already told you what's supposedly sealed up...there is plenty of sources all over the net about these sealed records, and the difficulty of getting access to them...where then is his work at Harvard?

Can you provide a source we could look at about that that isn't WND or similar? Inquiring minds do want to know.

466 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:14:42pm

Ahhhh, the great Southern California deluge has started (at my house)

467 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:14:42pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Not ONCE have I said anything that I deny the earth is warming, or that this data or that data is wrong.

I am talking about process and procedure. That's suspect in my opinion. If that leads to a problem with the data, it will be much smarter people than me who will discover that.

I'm agreeing with you. The problem is the difference between what they state - that they only use the highest quality peer-reviewed data and information to reach their published conclusions - and the reality in this case that they did not. Just adding some of the political dimension that I expect will result from this.

468 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:14:47pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist
For the answers to these and other burning questions: Play 'Anchors Aweigh ' backwards....

469 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:15:06pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

You're flinging mud and then pretending not to. Some days it annoys me more than others.

what the fuck?....flinging mud?....haha! are you sober?....what mud?

470 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:15:38pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you provide a source we could look at about that that isn't WND or similar? Inquiring minds do want to know.

That requires the Blue Key.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:15:44pm

re: #466 Stanley Sea

Ahhh, the great Southern California deluge has started (at my house)

Eh, I gotta run to the store before the NoCal version starts up again.

472 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:16:26pm

re: #468 tradewind

For the answers to these and other burning questions: Play 'Anchors Aweigh ' backwards...

/I got the original "friggin in the riggin" version...

473 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:16:30pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout
KT... Seriously, do you spend hours prowling the hallways of right-wing sites looking for the looniest situations possible?

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:16:38pm

re: #469 albusteve

what the fuck?...flinging mud?...haha! are you sober?...what mud?

I think I need to get less sober in a hurry. BIAB.

475 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:17:07pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, I gotta run to the store before the NoCal version starts up again.

Drive safe! :)

476 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:17:24pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

I hate to use such anti-science, conservative, political sources, but here we go again...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

And then we go closer to the source, India (I guess India would have no idea what's going on in the Himalayas.

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

I'm not going to argue around the topic. At least not the topic I am talking about. The topic. It's apparent that the IPCC will use non-peer reviewed "grey" material if it suits their purpose.

Actualy it is much worse than that, this published today:
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown

Pearce said the IPCC's reliance on the WWF was "immensely lazy" and the organisation need to explain itself or back up its prediction with another scientific source. Hasnain could not be reached for comment.

477 generalsparky  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:17:40pm

re: #454 tradewind

I am finding all of this amusing because I was 9 before my parents got married! Who the hell cares if his parents were married or not. And I used to be embarrassed that my parents weren't but I survived and got over it with very little therapy.

Right now I am trying to decide how tacky it will be to throw my parents a little 25th wedding anniversary party this year even though I will be 34. No way I can pass for a 24/25 year old LOL I am leaning toward thinking it doesn't matter at all anymore.

478 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:17:59pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you provide a source we could look at about that that isn't WND or similar? Inquiring minds do want to know.

no...forget I even asked the question please...it's not worth some trumped up conflict over it

479 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:18:02pm

re: #461 albusteve

I already told you what's supposedly sealed up...there is plenty of sources all over the net about these sealed records, and the difficulty of getting access to them...where then is his work at Harvard?

Sigh. "The Internet told me."

Let's try it like this. What information, transactions, intelligence, or other germane-to-the-presidency data is in those records, and why should we want to see it?

Say a genie appeared and gave you one "Barack Obama Records" magic wish. Which file would you ask for, and why?

480 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:18:27pm

re: #452 brookly red

/Silence! eater of Dominoes...

/pout

481 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:21:38pm

re: #479 torrentprime

Sigh. "The Internet told me."

Let's try it like this. What information, transactions, intelligence, or other germane-to-the-presidency data is in those records, and why should we want to see it?

Say a genie appeared and gave you one "Barack Obama Records" magic wish. Which file would you ask for, and why?

The naked baby-butt pictures.

Just because I could.

482 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:21:47pm

re: #476 Bagua

Crap, it's going to be a denier orgy.

483 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:22:06pm

re: #479 torrentprime

Sigh. "The Internet told me."

Let's try it like this. What information, transactions, intelligence, or other germane-to-the-presidency data is in those records, and why should we want to see it?

Say a genie appeared and gave you one "Barack Obama Records" magic wish. Which file would you ask for, and why?

google the question...there is a ton of hits from all kinds of sources...it was an simple question, not intended to raise some major stink...in fact UI has the records of BO and Annenberg from 95 to 98, that does not seen disbutable...I'm gonna drop it so don't hound me

484 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:23:15pm

re: #482 BigPapa

Crap, it's going to be a denier orgy.

Or a warmist bloodbath. Take your pick.

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:23:32pm

re: #480 ethics

How do you eat Dominoes. They're pretty hard...

486 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:23:36pm

I saw a few references to curling irons upthread. And I've watched curling a few times back in the day including when it was televised on the CBC. And I don't recall where an iron is used. Is this some odd USA-ian variation on the hallowed game of Canada? (invented in Scotland.)

;) //

487 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:24:48pm

Jets! 17-7
Sweet revenge..They have to come back to Indy

488 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:24:52pm

re: #473 tradewind

NO, but I skim the lefty and wingnut sites. Any video titled "Puppet President" raises my interest. Of course to the Paulian lunatic who uploaded the video Obama is a puppet of his Jewish masters.

I'm also not a fan of interrupting speeches, hearings, movies, art exhibits or town hall meetings. It's a sign that people have a few screws loose.

489 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:25:19pm

re: #484 Bagua

Or a warmist bloodbath. Take your pick.

Signs point to 'No, sorry'. ;)

490 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:27:46pm

re: #483 albusteve

google the question...there is a ton of hits from all kinds of sources...it was an simple question, not intended to raise some major stink...

Well, if you need us to Google and explain your quest to you, when you brought it up, you'll understand why it seems like there's no there there.

I'm gonna drop it so don't hound me


Fair enough; you don't have to carry the weight for an entire movement of "questioners." That some of us question some of their good faith doesn't mean it applies to everyone asking to see stuff.

491 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:29:03pm

re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you eat Dominoes. They're pretty hard...

They changed their recipe. ;)

(and yes, I know what you meant)

492 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:29:30pm

The Telegraph is on the case as well.

Good news for the world: bad news for official climate science body

Dr Pachauri may be even more damaged, thanks to his reported reaction to an Indian paper late last year which suggested that the glaciers were not disappearing rapidly, leading the country’s environment minister, Jairem Ramesh to accuse the IPCC of being “alarmist”. Pachauri was widely reported as dismissing the paper as “voodoo science”, adding: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening” in the Himalayas

It appears the "voodoo" science was being done by the IPCC. Will he appolagise for this?

493 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:30:02pm

Barack Obama is a poser, his school records (if released) would show him to be a lazy assed imbecile with connections to communism. The Annenberg Foundation (remember Walter Annenberg? Part of Pres. Reagan's Kitchen cabinet) is the smoking gun. This issue will never die, it's so important, and if proved, will result in a special prosecutor who will remove the poser.

///////////the Chargers are sucking right now, sorry.

494 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:30:20pm

re: #490 torrentprime

Fair enough; you don't have to carry the weight for an entire movement of "questioners." That some of us question some of their good faith doesn't mean it applies to everyone asking to see stuff.

you read too much into it...facts are not revealed and I wonder what they are and why....there is no more to it, no need to be so confrontational

495 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:31:07pm

re: #493 Stanley Sea


///the Chargers are sucking right now, sorry.

I have some very unhappy San Diego natives in the living room right now.

496 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:31:17pm

re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you eat Dominoes. They're pretty hard...

Eating them is not so hard, but if you knock one down...

497 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:31:51pm

re: #495 torrentprime

I have some very unhappy San Diego natives in the living room right now.

Walk in and laugh?
/:D

498 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:32:11pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, I gotta run to the store before the NoCal version starts up again.

It was starting to rain here about 1pm when I went in to see Sherlock Holmes (meh, Book of Eli is much better) and it's in full deluge mode now.

/Montecito-Summerland

499 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:32:21pm

It's so hard to keep track of how I'm supposed to react to celebrity opinions. One day, it's just a bunch of sheltered, rich Hollywood types talking out of their ass. The next thing I know, you'd think scholars had suddenly unearthed hitherto unknown volumes by Dostoevsky and a fully-completed IMAX reel of "The Day the Clown Cried."

500 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #493 Stanley Sea

Barack Obama is a poser, his school records (if released) would show him to be a lazy assed imbecile with connections to communism. The Annenberg Foundation (remember Walter Annenberg? Part of Pres. Reagan's Kitchen cabinet) is the smoking gun. This issue will never die, it's so important, and if proved, will result in a special prosecutor who will remove the poser.

///the Chargers are sucking right now, sorry.

maybe...interesting eh?...where did the 49mil go?...how was it spent?...what's up with BO/Ayres/Annenberg?.....who is the secret doner of these records?....whatever

501 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:33:25pm

re: #494 albusteve

you read too much into it...facts are not revealed and I wonder what they are and why...there is no more to it, no need to be so confrontational

So you don't know what the facts are, but you know they're being conceal....

Never mind.

And that signoff was supposed to be conciliatory; guess you didn't get that. Happy commentating.

502 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:33:25pm

re: #495 torrentprime

I have some very unhappy San Diego natives in the living room right now.

I'm kin to albusteve right now. damnit.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:34:34pm

re: #502 Stanley Sea

Sorry. Sucks to be us.

504 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:34:54pm

re: #493 Stanley Sea

Barack Obama is a poser, his school records (if released) would show him to be a lazy assed imbecile with connections to communism. The Annenberg Foundation (remember Walter Annenberg? Part of Pres. Reagan's Kitchen cabinet) is the smoking gun. This issue will never die, it's so important, and if proved, will result in a special prosecutor who will remove the poser.

///the Chargers are sucking right now, sorry.

Upding for the excellent cover story.

505 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:35:19pm

re: #501 torrentprime

So you don't know what the facts are, but you know they're being conceal...

Never mind.

And that signoff was supposed to be conciliatory; guess you didn't get that. Happy commentating.

the facts are UI has records concerning BOs activities...they are locked up...why?...that's all there is to it, chill out

506 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:35:22pm

Better half blames coach, I blame Philip Rivers, who always, and I mean always looks like Ryan Leaf to me.

507 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:36:11pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

And as an aside, I don't care about the hacked emails. I do care about the hacked climate modeling software and the datasets that have been used to compile the data.

I have all that code (it's mainly Fortran and IDL) and I have the datasets, and, as I have stated here before (and Charles has disagreed with me), I find the computer code and the way the datasets were developed as questionable. And as a computer programmer of over 25 years, I have some knowledge of what I am talking about.

If I was a project leader or head of IT at CRU, I would have fired anyone writing the kind of computer software and collecting temperature data in the method they did. In the least it's sloppy and would never pass "peer" review from computer scientists.

Well Walter, since you have the code and the data, where are their errors and how do those errors affect the published trend? Is there any evidence of intent to deceive or just sloppy coding?

508 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:36:33pm

re: #506 Stanley Sea

Better half blames coach, I blame Philip Rivers, who always, and I mean always looks like Ryan Leaf to me.

This is great! Jets return to Indy..Sweet Revenge

509 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:37:02pm

re: #476 Bagua

The Telegraph is on the case as well.

Good news for the world: bad news for official climate science body

It appears the "voodoo" science was being done by the IPCC. Will he appolagise for this?

Good catch. He'll apologize if he doesn't become the first UN hanging of a scientist before he has the chance.

510 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:38:46pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

This is great! Jets return to Indy..Sweet Revenge

right now the Jets are playing their asses off....Dallas stunned the Chargers til they won with a late FG (after Folk missed his own)

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:38:56pm

re: #508 HoosierHoops

This is great! Jets return to Indy..Sweet Revenge

Revenge? You guys handed them the game!

512 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:39:00pm

re: #487 HoosierHoops

Jets! 17-7
Sweet revenge..They have to come back to Indy

3:08 to play they might just pull this off...

513 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:39:27pm

re: #481 EmmmieG
Speaking of pictures and parentage:
I saw a news clip of POTUS trying to act like he had a semblance of soul today, clapping along to a gospel choir in DC while he attended a service.
Glad to see him in church.
Seeing him try to rock some gospel, clapping out of time ? Painful.
To be fair, he looked pretty uncomfortable, so at least he didn't have illusions, like a certain former Vice President.

514 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:40:17pm

re: #512 brookly red

3:08 to play they might just pull this off...

Chargers are baked...it's over

515 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:40:19pm

re: #512 brookly red

3:08 to play they might just pull this off...

Kicking the challenge flag... real dumb

516 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:40:56pm

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Revenge? You guys handed them the game!

Now we are going to hand them something else...

517 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #514 albusteve

Chargers are baked...it's over

These are the Jets remember...

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:41:17pm

re: #516 HoosierHoops

heh.

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:41:45pm

re: #513 tradewind

What in the hell are you talking about?

520 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:42:21pm

re: #86 Walter L. Newton

I have been breeding invisible dragons in my garage for 25 years.

521 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:42:24pm

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Good news story from Haiti. Or, at least, heart-warming.

522 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:42:52pm

Ten Brands that we will probably not see make it in 2010:

[Link: 247wallst.com...]

Some big names there.

523 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:43:08pm

re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What in the hell are you talking about?

Sounded like an "educated black men got no rhythm" observation.

///

524 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:43:23pm

re: #520 negativ

I have been breeding invisible dragons in my garage for 25 years.

Question! You don't also...uh...grow a certain plant, do you???
///:)

525 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:43:37pm

re: #520 negativ

I have been breeding invisible dragons in my garage for 25 years.

Oh, so that's what happened to my unicorn...

526 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:44:31pm

re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What in the hell are you talking about?

Obama is not black enough?

527 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:44:43pm

re: #513 tradewind

Actually, I wanted those pictures because I was pretty sure I could sell them to Oprah for the big bucks.

528 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:45:47pm

re: #527 EmmmieG

Actually, I wanted those pictures because I was pretty sure I could sell them to Oprah for the big bucks.

Now, now. Shop around first. ;)

529 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:46:25pm

re: #509 5string

Good catch. He'll apologize if he doesn't become the first UN hanging of a scientist before he has the chance.

An apology is unlikely to save him, he forced to resign and the IPCC AR4 will be a lame duck.

Millions of pounds of British taxpayers' money is being paid to an organisation in India run by Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the controversial chairman of the UN climate change panel, despite growing concern over its accounts.

530 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:46:44pm

Now just don't turn the ball over...

531 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:47:31pm

re: #530 brookly red

Now just don't turn the ball over...

Huh? What'd you..*fumbles ball*...DAMN!

532 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:47:55pm

re: #513 tradewind

Speaking of pictures and parentage:
I saw a news clip of POTUS trying to act like he had a semblance of soul today, clapping along to a gospel choir in DC while he attended a service.
Glad to see him in church.
Seeing him try to rock some gospel, clapping out of time ? Painful.
To be fair, he looked pretty uncomfortable, so at least he didn't have illusions, like a certain former Vice President.

Fuck you.
President Obama on Dr. King's Legacy

Youtube Video

I'm sorry you find it so distasteful.

533 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:48:43pm

re: #529 Bagua

pimf: he will be forced to resign

534 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:48:57pm

IDF rescue team pulls Haitian man out of rubble:

Youtube Video
535 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:49:32pm

play action and go for the throat...Jots are on the verge

536 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:49:35pm

re: #529 Bagua

An apology is unlikely to save him, he forced to resign and the IPCC AR4 will be a lame duck.

Millions of pounds of British taxpayers' money is being paid to an organisation in India run by Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the controversial chairman of the UN climate change panel, despite growing concern over its accounts.

people get pissed when you f' wit der money...

537 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:50:43pm

re: #535 albusteve

play action and go for the throat...Jots are on the verge

run the clock out, just run the freakin clock...

538 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:12pm

re: #534 The Sanity Inspector

But the Jooos are the masters who sit in New York in high towers with secret elevators and spend their days calling world leaders and giving orders.

They aren't in disaster zones living in the same clothes for days on end, breathing concrete dust and risking their lives for people they have never met.

/Get with the script.

539 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:15pm

re: #513 tradewind

Speaking of pictures and parentage:
I saw a news clip of POTUS trying to act like he had a semblance of soul today, clapping along to a gospel choir in DC while he attended a service.
Glad to see him in church.
Seeing him try to rock some gospel, clapping out of time ? Painful.
To be fair, he looked pretty uncomfortable, so at least he didn't have illusions, like a certain former Vice President.

Probably not as wince-inducing as Senator Clinton's on-demand southern accent during the campaign. "Ahhh don't fail noways tarred."

540 5string  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:17pm

re: #529 Bagua

An apology is unlikely to save him, he forced to resign and the IPCC AR4 will be a lame duck.

Millions of pounds of British taxpayers' money is being paid to an organisation in India run by Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the controversial chairman of the UN climate change panel, despite growing concern over its accounts.

This just gets more interesting. The article links him to several polluting businesses as donors. Why would he overstate global warming impacts? Could this be a case of sabotaging the report with a poison pill?

541 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:21pm

[Israeli] ZAKA team rescues eight students in collapsed Haitian university building

Jpost

A ZAKA delegation in Haiti was dispatched on Saturday to a collapsed 8-story university building where cries of trapped students were heard.

After hours working with rescue equipment provided by the Mexican military, the ZAKA volunteers succeeded in pulling eight students alive from the rubble in a 38-hour rescue operation.

The ZAKA delegation took time to recite Shabbat prayers. Many locals sat quietly in the rubble, staring at the men as they prayed, facing Jerusalem.

At the end of the prayers, they crowded around the delegation and kissed the prayer shawls.

542 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:27pm

re: #537 brookly red

run the clock out, just run the freakin clock...

a FG will seal it...I'd take a shot down to the goal line

543 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:30pm

re: #537 brookly red

run the clock out, just run the freakin clock...

Interception! Run back!

///dreamer!

544 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:51:39pm

re: #100 Walter L. Newton

Please note, I am not a climate change denier or what ever is the popular phrase or word used this week to put down intelligent people who have their on educated opinions on climate change.

There is a difference between being a denier, someone who denies that the science is accurate without looking at the science and has no intention of changing his/her mind even if normally convincing evidence is presented, and a skeptic, someone who has looked at the science and is very willing to change opinion if evidence is presented.

A denier is easy to see as such because s/he shows an ignorance of the words of the scientists while spouting off talking points found at sites specializing in attacking a specific line of evidence, or group of related lines of evidence. Most of those sites have arguments that twist, misuse, or misunderstand the words of the scientists, so are easily recognized and debunked by simply going to the actual words of the scientists.

If the denier can't even repeat, and show understanding of, what a climatologist says about a particular line of evidence, and/or how it fits in with other lines, then s/he deserves the title of denier, or denialist if that one carries less baggage for you.

The whole point is that a denier's opinion isn't educated.

545 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:53:00pm

re: #538 EmmmieG

But the Jooos are the masters who sit in New York in high towers with secret elevators and spend their days calling world leaders and giving orders.

They aren't in disaster zones living in the same clothes for days on end, breathing concrete dust and risking their lives for people they have never met.

/Get with the script.

Headline: "Jews infringe on Red Cross operations"

//

546 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:54:17pm

re: #540 5string

This just gets more interesting. The article links him to several polluting businesses as donors. Why would he overstate global warming impacts? Could this be a case of sabotaging the report with a poison pill?

Much worse than that, you will find that Pachauri has direct ties to Big Oil, Hedge Funds, Banks, Climate Exchanges, Carbon Trading, the list goes on and on. A vast web of conflicting interests and tens of millions of dollars.

547 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:54:40pm

re: #542 albusteve

a FG will seal it...I'd take a shot down to the goal line

let us see...

548 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:55:17pm

Wonder if Charles' website software can render the new SarcMark.

549 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:56:59pm

game over.

550 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:57:16pm

a smash into the right side....gutsy...game over

551 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:57:21pm

re: #548 The Sanity Inspector

Wonder if Charles' website software can render the new SarcMark.

Pffftttt, a / will do just as well.
/And it's free!

552 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:57:24pm

re: #548 The Sanity Inspector

Wonder if Charles' website software can render the new SarcMark.

I don't see that catching on.

553 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:57:42pm

re: #513 tradewind

Seeing him try to rock some gospel, clapping out of time ? Painful.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about either, but that won't stop me from adding this:

At least 95% of all people are completely incapable of clapping in time. If you've ever had the experience of playing in a band in front of an audience that decided to clap along (usually at the insistence of the dipshit lead vocalist who much to your dismay was never electrocuted by his/her microphone), you've probably noticed that audience clapping ALWAYS speeds up. Unless you have the stage monitors so incredibly (and mercifully) loud that you literally cannot hear the audience, it can be far more distracting than you'd expect.

Another rule of thumb for gigging small-time musicians:

On the ONE NIGHT when everyone is playing as perfectly as is humanly possible; when the audience is actually paying attention; when all of the equipment is working and the venue management isn't a bunch of meth-tweaking chimpanzees; just when your Epic Monster Showcase Tune has come to the sort of quiet part (you know, when you can actually hear a pin drop), that is the exact moment when some guy outside will fire up his 900 decibel Harley and rev it for 15 minutes straight.

554 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:57:52pm

re: #540 5string

This just gets more interesting. The article links him to several polluting businesses as donors. Why would he overstate global warming impacts? Could this be a case of sabotaging the report with a poison pill?

This major cock up on the Himalayan glaciers, the Chairman's massive conflicts of interest and arrogance in his response, the fallout from the Climategate, each individually can be debated as to its merits, but as a unit, and with the MET officially reviewing the data, I would say the AR4 is toilet paper.

555 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:58:21pm

The right wing voice of reason

556 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:59:28pm

re: #477 generalsparky

I am finding all of this amusing because I was 9 before my parents got married! Who the hell cares if his parents were married or not. And I used to be embarrassed that my parents weren't but I survived and got over it with very little therapy.

Right now I am trying to decide how tacky it will be to throw my parents a little 25th wedding anniversary party this year even though I will be 34. No way I can pass for a 24/25 year old LOL I am leaning toward thinking it doesn't matter at all anymore.

I think if they've been together at least 35 years, they've definitely earned the party for 25!

557 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 4:59:49pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout

It's actually a pretty good speech.

558 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:00:19pm

re: #541 Bagua

[Israeli] ZAKA team rescues eight students in collapsed Haitian university building

Jpost

YNet (Israeli left-of-center media source) runs an op-ed COMPLAINING that Israel sends rescue teams to Haiti, but not to Gaza.

They don't mention that trivial little detail, that Haitians are not constantly trying to freaking murder them.

559 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:00:58pm

re: #550 albusteve

a smash into the right side...gutsy...game over

Cowboys destroyed, Jets win... /but these are not the end of days....

560 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:01:03pm

the only game worth a crap on the best weekend the NFL can dish up...Jots deserve it....they played a hell of a game on the road...that was a gutsy call on 4th down imo....line up mano to mano and boom!....that's football the tough way...GO JOTS!

561 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:01:26pm

Hey! What's going on yall?

562 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:01:27pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

The right wing voice of reason

Is he the latest "hero?" I noticed they're referring to Alinsky along the lines of "what goes around comes around."

563 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:02:01pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

First... did you read the Telegraph article above... [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Second, "you guys" hasn't a fucking thing to do with anything. I don't know "ethics" and I don't give two shits if he agrees with me or not, nor do I give a shit if you agree with me or not.

I have ALL the Fortran and IDL code that CRU has been using to model their temperature change experiments. I also have ALL the datasets that contain the temperature change data points. I also have ALL the supporting documents that goes along with the CRU data.

And by the way, a good part of this material I have is offered by CRU on their website, the rest of the material (the software programs) I have from other sources.

Unless you are a programmer, unless you have the same material I have and unless you have gone through the data and the software code yourself, you comment above means squat to me.

My concerns are not only legitimate, but they are backed up by over 25 years of expertise.

I don't need your approval. Your approval does not change one iota of fact.

Thanks for helping out though.

When can we expect your paper on this to be published, or baring that, when will you give us the low down on where and how the data is wrong and what impact on current AGW studies it has?

I don't have 25 years of experience in professional coding, 10 years was enough, and the only experience I have with Fortran is converting several tens of thousands of lines of code into C, but I'm sure I can follow some of any comments you make about the errors in the CRU output.

564 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:02:04pm

re: #558 Alouette

The Leftist Israeli media is vile and self loathing. They should wither.

565 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:02:12pm

re: #561 YoungLibertarian92

Hey! What's going on yall?

Can't talk now. Plotting end of world.
/:)

566 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #559 brookly red

Cowboys destroyed, Jets win... /but these are not the end of days...

I'm over it...I've seen it ALL with Dallas...they put up a terrific last five games, maybe the best run like that I've ever seen...today they hit a brick wall

567 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:03:01pm

re: #562 Gus 802

Conservatives in the age of tea parties and talk radio love hecklers.

568 generalsparky  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:03:42pm

re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist

There was a period of separation there but they have redeemed all their terrible parenting decisions by being the best grandparents to my boys ever :-)

569 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:04:00pm

re: #562 Gus 802

Is he the latest "hero?" I noticed they're referring to Alinsky along the lines of "what goes around comes around."

I can't find a mention of exactly who the protesters were. I suspect they are probably not very nice people.

570 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:04:08pm

re: #566 albusteve

I'm over it...I've seen it ALL with Dallas...they put up a terrific last five games, maybe the best run like that I've ever seen...today they hit a brick wall

I am seeing the Vikings go the distance...

571 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:04:22pm

Congratulations Jets! I'm shocked I say, shocked!

But here's a song that definitely soothes my soul........

Youtube Video
572 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:05:05pm

re: #565 Varek Raith

Can't talk now. Plotting end of world.
/:)

/Dick Cheney is holding on line 3....

573 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:05:32pm

Opera en el Mercado

Youtube Video
574 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:05:42pm

re: #526 Spare O'Lake

Obama is not black enough?

For jazz, or for government work? Is there a rubric?

575 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:05:55pm

re: #569 Killgore Trout

LandofDaFree links to the video,

Youtube Video
576 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:10pm

re: #569 Killgore Trout

I can't find a mention of exactly who the protesters were. I suspect they are probably not very nice people.

I was also wondering if there was a name attached to this heckler. Or a group. Judging by the intensity of this man I would say you are correct: they're no very nice folks.

577 The Left  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:20pm

re: #572 brookly red

/Dick Cheney is holding on line 3...

Nah, he's in on the conference call with us all.
/

578 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:31pm

re: #123 elle Plater

I am also a software engineer for over 25 years - yes I had a baby aged 46 (after going into remission from cancer) - and I am also deeply disturbed by the computer code and the hard coded hack.

As for the CRU emails being totally proven as a lie - just like the IPCC's peer review is being called into question so is the way they investigated the leaked emails. Of course the people involved are going to deny it.

Which e-mails are you concerned with?

Where was the hard coded hack used?

579 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:38pm

re: #507 b_sharp

Well Walter, since you have the code and the data, where are their errors and how do those errors affect the published trend? Is there any evidence of intent to deceive or just sloppy coding?

In the least there is a intent on CRU's part not give a fuck. Go search LGF for my discussions on the HADCRUT3 dataset. I've written paragraph after paragraph on it and I am not going to type it out again.

580 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:45pm

Varek + Anti-anxiety attack meds = Silly Varek.
Though, I feel grrreeeaaattt! :D

581 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:06:55pm

re: #570 brookly red

I am seeing the Vikings go the distance...

Favre has had the best year of his career by the numbers...just an incredible story and I've always been a big Bret fan (Dallas owned him tho)...he is living the stuff of legend right now and I hope he takes it to the house myself...you can tell your grand kids you were there and saw it all

582 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:07:12pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Now, try this. Reading is comprehension. If you look over my LONG comment, I was not "dissing" you. I was using you to make a point that I don't need anyones approval to have an opinion or make a point. I can be right or wrong on my own.

You sort of missed that, didn't you?

Who claimed you need approval?

583 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:07:30pm

re: #580 Varek Raith

I would too. Seratonin or zoloft? jk

584 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:07:48pm

re: #126 brookly red

they don't even try to appear to be unbiased anymore...

You mean like Fox?

Have they lied yet?

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:07:59pm

re: #538 EmmmieG

But the Jooos are the masters who sit in New York in high towers with secret elevators and spend their days calling world leaders and giving orders.

They aren't in disaster zones living in the same clothes for days on end, breathing concrete dust and risking their lives for people they have never met.

/Get with the script.

Certainly not going to risk their lives for non-Jewish black people.

///

586 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:08:00pm

and btw...the Vikings destroyed a very good Dallas team...it was no fluke win

587 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:08:58pm

re: #584 b_sharp

Fox doesn't lie, they deliver half-truths and distortions. The also ask questions to hide bias, like "Do Democrats Eat Baby Kabobs? Find out on Sean Hannity!"

588 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:09:06pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

Well, like I say, I don't really care about the email. The emails are one of those things that either side can "weasel" out of, claim something was out of context and so on. So, where as I find the emails as peripherally interesting, and I see some possible problems there, I'd rather work with material that can't be disputed, that is plain as English (well, Fortran) and where the material from CRU itself, hangs them.

For crying out loud man, instead of just beating around the bush with these generic attacks, show us the stuff.

589 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:09:49pm

re: #584 b_sharp

You mean like Fox?

Have they lied yet?

you waited over 400 comments for that gem? whatever.

590 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:09:56pm

re: #558 Alouette

YNet (Israeli left-of-center media source) runs an op-ed COMPLAINING that Israel sends rescue teams to Haiti, but not to Gaza.

They don't mention that trivial little detail, that Haitians are not constantly trying to freaking murder them.

There was an natural disaster in Gaza?
Israel provides medical treatment to many thousands of Gazans, and Israel provides food, energy and raw materials to all of them.

591 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:10:21pm

re: #522 ethics

Sun will probably still be around, though as the article says, it will be a very different company.

I have a soft spot for Borders and I would hate to see it go. That said, just about everything Borders sells, I've been getting from Amazon or Half-Price Books for about the past 5 years or so.

For mostly emotional reasons, I would also hate to see Kodak fold, though I suppose it's inevitable. The idea of people speaking of Tri-X in the past tense makes me very sad. I waged my own jihad against digital photography for the longest time, but finally gave it up. As good as digital imaging has become, there are still some things that film does much better. So it goes.

592 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:10:47pm

re: #582 b_sharp

Who claimed you need approval?

Did you take you medications tonight?

593 The Left  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:10:58pm

re: #562 Gus 802

Is he the latest "hero?" I noticed they're referring to Alinsky along the lines of "what goes around comes around."

Figures.

The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will.Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional).


When you have that sort of mindset, you believe that anything you do against your 'enemy' is justified, -- because the 'enemy' did it first.

594 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:11:17pm

I take pink pills to keep me from screaming.

595 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:11:38pm

for all the Sunday night attack mode liberals itching for a fight....

Youtube Video
596 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:11:54pm

re: #588 b_sharp

For crying out loud man, instead of just beating around the bush with these generic attacks, show us the stuff.

Now you are starting to act like a jerk. I'll repeat myself for the reading impaired...

"Go search LGF for my discussions on the HADCRUT3 dataset. I've written paragraph after paragraph on it and I am not going to type it out again."

597 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:12:57pm

re: #591 negativ

Sun will probably still be around, though as the article says, it will be a very different company.

Gah, that's a sore spot for me. With the whole Oracle, MySql issue.

I have a soft spot for Borders and I would hate to see it go. That said, just about everything Borders sells, I've been getting from Amazon or Half-Price Books for about the past 5 years or so.

I love bookstores as well. I remember when Walldenbooks closed and while they were expensive as hell, nothing beats going in and just being around books.

598 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:13:23pm

re: #592 Walter L. Newton

Did you take you medications tonight?

exactly the sort of snarky question to find conflict where there isn't any...not your reply, the approval thing....people will try anything to start trouble, it's laughable

599 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:13:51pm

MSNBC's ED Schultz making a startling remark on his radio show yesterday about supporting voter fraud in Massachusetts, so Scott Brown would lose.


"I tell you what, if I lived in Massachusetts I'd try to vote 10 times. I don't know if they'd let me or not, but I'd try to. Yeah, that's right. I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. 'Cause that's exactly what they are."

/unbiased media

600 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:13:57pm

re: #594 YoungLibertarian92

I take pink pills to keep me from screaming.

double the dose...it's for your own good

601 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:14:23pm

re: #597 ethics

True. Borders never has comfortable chairs though. I like Barnes and Noble, they'll probably have a monopoly on book stores soon.

602 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:14:36pm

re: #594 YoungLibertarian92

Hey I like the Avatar!
Little pink pills?

603 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:11pm

re: #597 ethics

Ever been to Portland Oregon? Ever been to Powell's?

They built a cool pillar in front of the store with the seven most influential books, yada yada...

There's an urn full of ashes in it, because there was a man who wanted to be buried in Powell's.

I know how he feels.

604 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:15pm

re: #600 albusteve

re: #602 Rightwingconspirator

I NEED THEM! Otherwise I start throwing things and eating spoonfuls of peanut butter.

605 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:18pm

So typical, and so lame:
The French, whining about Americans as ' les incompents... '
[Link: www.ft.com...]

606 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:26pm

re: #595 albusteve

for all the Sunday night attack mode liberals itching for a fight...

[Video]

In my depression of losing the game, I think I'll just eat.

607 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:35pm

re: #592 Walter L. Newton

Did you take you medications tonight?

Attack and discredit, anything to hold up the True Warmist Faith™. Like Patchauri calling those who discovered his staggering Glacier errors "voodoo science".

You must not question the infallible dogma, to do so is heresy.

608 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:15:48pm

re: #604 YoungLibertarian92

re: #602 Rightwingconspirator

I NEED THEM! Otherwise I start throwing things and eating spoonfuls of peanut butter.

So...you're ten?

609 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:05pm

re: #587 YoungLibertarian92
Fox has a better record with half truths than CNN/MSNBC does with their outright lies.///

610 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:08pm

re: #604 YoungLibertarian92

re: #602 Rightwingconspirator

I NEED THEM! Otherwise I start throwing things and eating spoonfuls of peanut butter.

ha!...creamy or crunchy?

611 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:08pm

re: #582 b_sharp

You know, I'm not the most like Lizard on here, but I am respected, and your little 12 year old nit-picking of my comments down the thread only make you look petty. Really, you are not going to get a lot of support for you antics here.

612 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:27pm

re: #599 Yankee Division Son

MSNBC's ED Schultz making a startling remark on his radio show yesterday about supporting voter fraud in Massachusetts, so Scott Brown would lose.

/unbiased media

well in a way it is unbiased... they are finally telling the truth.

613 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:42pm

re: #606 Stanley Sea

In my depression of losing the game, I think I'll just eat.

CHEW!

614 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:44pm

re: #597 ethics

I love bookstores as well. I remember when Walldenbooks closed and while they were expensive as hell, nothing beats going in and just being around books.

Best bookstore evah (now closed, could not compete against Books a Million and others) - The Little Professor.

They hired people who actually read books! Their employees did not need to go "find" something in a computer - they knew authors and works, and could figure out what you were talking about even if all you had was a vague description. They had a non-fiction specialist, a science-fiction specialist, a specialist in crime/suspense/detective/mystery ficrtion - I hated hated hated to see that bookstore closed. I bought from them until they closed, just because I appreciated the service there.

615 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:48pm

re: #609 tradewind

You mean MSLSD and Central Nonsense Network? No one takes them seriously.

616 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:16:58pm

Supper... BB in 20-30 minutes... Hey... B_sharp, hang on, I'll be back.

617 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:17:09pm

PIMF:
Les Incompetents.
And it's not even really great French, btw....//

618 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:17:26pm

re: #610 albusteve

EXTRA CRUNCHY! And only Jiff, none of that Skippy shit.

619 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:18:03pm

re: #564 Bagua

The Leftist Israeli media is vile and self loathing. They should wither.

Poor little babies had their feewings hurt by all the Joo-hating talkback comments saying "Juice go all the way to Haiti to save lives while stealing Palestinian children's livers"

/YNet, how about deleting those talkbacks instead of pandering to them?

620 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:18:39pm

re: #618 YoungLibertarian92

EXTRA CRUNCHY! And only Jiff, none of that Skippy shit.

exactly my choice...you have promise around here

621 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:18:46pm

re: #605 tradewind

So typical, and so lame:
The French, whining about Americans as ' les incompents... '
[Link: www.ft.com...]

Haiti is kinda a sore point for them after all...

622 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:18:50pm

re: #599 Yankee Division Son

You should put that up in Links.

623 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:18:51pm

re: #612 brookly red
Unleash the Flying Monkeys ACORNS !

624 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:03pm

re: #620 albusteve

Good to know.

625 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:07pm

re: #611 Walter L. Newton

You know, I'm not the most like Lizard on here, but I am respected, and your little 12 year old nit-picking of my comments down the thread only make you look petty. Really, you are not going to get a lot of support for you antics here.

Exactly. It is like heckling. An attempt to silence and shout down. The complete opposite of the search for truth through honest debate.

Our diverse opinions bring depth and interest to the discussion, there is no need to suppress the other side.

626 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:20pm

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

We're number one! We're number one!

(Well, the number one country, although I want to say that I'm so incredibly impressed with the other countries. Sweden isn't that big, and Brazil has massive problems of its own.

627 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:27pm

re: #621 brookly red

Haiti is kinda a sore point for them after all...

The French do not admit to sore points.

628 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:28pm

re: #621 brookly red
They just can't forgive us for saving their butts twice.

629 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:33pm

re: #591 negativ

For mostly emotional reasons, I would also hate to see Kodak fold, though I suppose it's inevitable. The idea of people speaking of Tri-X in the past tense makes me very sad. I waged my own jihad against digital photography for the longest time, but finally gave it up. As good as digital imaging has become, there are still some things that film does much better. So it goes.

TriX still reigns king of the films for me, tone for tone, nothing breaks as beautifully. I've started stock piling it, bought a bunch of35mm and 120/220 when the local photo store went out of business and I always keep an eye out at Ebay for good deals on large quantities of 35mm - 8x10. I'm guessing there will be a bunch available for a good time, but eventually the technology will be back to about 1880 and I'll be coating my own plates.

630 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:19:46pm

re: #590 Spare O'Lake

There was an natural disaster in Gaza?
Israel provides medical treatment to many thousands of Gazans, and Israel provides food, energy and raw materials to all of them.

Israel created the Gaza disaster!
Israel is not doing enough for Gaza!
If Israel really cared about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, they would curl up and die!

/

631 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:08pm

re: #628 tradewind

I'm still boycotting the French. I'm eating some Freedom Fries from Five Gusy now.

632 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:10pm

re: #612 brookly red

well in a way it is unbiased... they are finally telling the truth.

lol... but truthful =! unbiased

/does not equal

633 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:23pm

re: #623 tradewind

Unleash the Flying Monkeys ACORNS !

no, this is not a job for amateurs... bus in the unions.

634 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:51pm

re: #605 tradewind

So typical, and so lame:
The French, whining about Americans as ' les incompents... '
[Link: www.ft.com...]

Are people aware how much the last few years of business and capitalistic failures has cracked Americans' image as the titans of business? Forget foreign policy, forget social issues. One can only have so many Enron/Global Crossings and, you know, break the world economy and banking system so many times before one's reputation gets a little tarnished, you know?

635 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:58pm

re: #625 Bagua

Exactly. It is like heckling. An attempt to silence and shout down. The complete opposite of the search for truth through honest debate.

Our diverse opinions bring depth and interest to the discussion, there is no need to suppress the other side.

I've been looking for that word for a couple of months....that really sums it up

636 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:20:58pm
637 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:21:52pm

re: #593 iceweasel

When you have that sort of mindset, you believe that anything you do against your 'enemy' is justified, -- because the 'enemy' did it first.

When Alinsky came to light during the election of 2008 I was kind of surprised that the opposition didn't study Alinsky's principles. After some time they did so and it's widely used today by the right. It's a bit of a hoot to see the right apply the principles of the "non-socialist" leftist Saul Alinsky.

638 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:21:58pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Or another source...

"Also, the lead author of the IPCC chapter, Indian glaciologist Murari Lal, told New Scientist that he “outright rejected” the notion that the IPCC was off the mark on Himalayan glaciers.
“The IPCC authors did exactly what was expected from them,” he said.
“We relied rather heavily on grey (not peer-reviewed) literature, including the WWF report,” Lal said. “The error, if any, lies with Dr Hasnain’s assertion and not with the IPCC authors,” he added.
But, Hasnain rejects that and blames the IPCC for misusing a remark he made to a journalist.
“The magic number of 2035 has not (been) mentioned in any research papers written by me, as no peer-reviewed journal will accept speculative figures,” he told New Scientist.
“It is not proper for IPCC to include references from popular magazines or newspapers,” Hasnain added. (ANI)"

[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]

Yes, they made a mistake and they should correct it and verify they made no other mistakes. The IPCC report is rather large and compiled from a large number of information sources, primarily peer reviewed literature, but not all; mistakes will occur. Mistakes occur in all areas of science, including fields related to evolution, but no sensible person rejects all of evolution because of those mistakes. The whole point of sciences like AGW and evolution is the number of independent lines of evidence that all point to the same explanation, thereby giving us the ability to claim a high confidence level in their accuracy.

639 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:21:59pm

re: #634 torrentprime

Are people aware how much the last few years of business and capitalistic failures has cracked Americans' image as the titans of business? Forget foreign policy, forget social issues. One can only have so many Enron/Global Crossings and, you know, break the world economy and banking system so many times before one's reputation gets a little tarnished, you know?

is there an alternative to capitalism to create wealth?

640 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:22:02pm

re: #633 brookly red
If POTUS gets his health care bill through, you'll see a flood of union registrations like never before.
/Only way to avoid that damn cadillac tax./

641 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:22:12pm

re: #636 YoungLibertarian92

Greetings Mr. Bond.

642 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:22:38pm

re: #639 albusteve

is there an alternative to capitalism to create wealth?

Lotto

643 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:22:47pm

The Jets win. Seriously. WTF. This is a team that has done it with smoke and mirrors all season long, and yet here they are one win away from the Super Bowl.

In the NFC, my team, the Giants crapped out long ago, and I had no team to root for (or against, since I can't stand pretty much those that remain). It was the lesser of evils, and all I can say is thank goodness Minnesota beat up on Dallas but good. Romo once again has shown he's not the real deal and can't handle the slightest bit of pressure. And Jessica Simpson had nothing to do with it this time. Again.

644 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:23:11pm

re: #642 HoosierHoops

SEIU pension?

BBL dinner beckons...

645 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:23:11pm

re: #640 tradewind

Employee Free Choice Act and amnesty may pass this year. That'll bump Big Labors numbers WAY UP!

646 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:23:24pm

re: #639 albusteve
Only if you live in Sherwood Forest.//**
** Or as it's known in America, Congress and its aftermath, Lobby Lane.

647 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:23:34pm

re: #642 HoosierHoops

No.

648 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:23:55pm

re: #640 tradewind

If POTUS gets his health care bill through, you'll see a flood of union registrations like never before.
/Only way to avoid that damn cadillac tax./


said it before but the very term "Cadillac Tax" stinks of (dirty commie) class warfare.

649 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:24:52pm

re: #648 brookly red

"Mr. President, I smell a big fat Commie rat!" - General Buck Tergentson, Dr. Strangelove.

650 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:25:17pm

re: #648 brookly red
Shows how behind the times they are.... should have called it the Benz/Beemer Tax.

651 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:25:30pm

re: #614 reine.de.tout

Wow, you are lucky to have experienced something like that.

re: #601 YoungLibertarian92

Here in NYC, space is expensive real estate (especially in Manhattan). I believe the best one of those type of stores was Borders on 5th avenue.

re: #603 EmmmieG

Nope. Just knew they existed online but never knew it was an actual, physical store.

652 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:25:35pm

re: #645 YoungLibertarian92

Employee Free Choice Act and amnesty may pass this year. That'll bump Big Labors numbers WAY UP!

well you gotta have jobs before you can fill them...

653 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:25:47pm

re: #634 torrentprime

Are people aware how much the last few years of business and capitalistic failures has cracked Americans' image as the titans of business? Forget foreign policy, forget social issues. One can only have so many Enron/Global Crossings and, you know, break the world economy and banking system so many times before one's reputation gets a little tarnished, you know?

Jackals circling a wounded lion.

654 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:26:07pm

re: #642 HoosierHoops
Lotto luck with that.//

655 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #652 brookly red

True.

656 The Left  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:26:37pm

re: #637 Gus 802

When Alinsky came to light during the election of 2008 I was kind of surprised that the opposition didn't study Alinsky's principles. After some time they did so and it's widely used today by the right. It's a bit of a hoot to see the right apply the principles of the "non-socialist" leftist Saul Alinsky.

The Alinsky obsession on the right cracks me up. We used to have a few of those types around here-- they were always cutting and pasting things like:

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.


--as though these were justifications for any sort of terrible thing they might say.

I think the right's been reading Alinsky, but taking away all the wrong messages.

657 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:27:25pm

re: #650 tradewind

Shows how behind the times they are... should have called it the Benz/Beemer Tax.

That's the European tax

658 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:27:26pm

re: #643 lawhawk

The Jets win. Seriously. WTF. This is a team that has done it with smoke and mirrors all season long, and yet here they are one win away from the Super Bowl.

In the NFC, my team, the Giants crapped out long ago, and I had no team to root for (or against, since I can't stand pretty much those that remain). It was the lesser of evils, and all I can say is thank goodness Minnesota beat up on Dallas but good. Romo once again has shown he's not the real deal and can't handle the slightest bit of pressure. And Jessica Simpson had nothing to do with it this time. Again.

slightest bit of pressure?...your kidding...he was knocked on his ass repeatedly...the offensive line was truly offensive today....Romo is not at fault for that fiasco

659 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:27:37pm

re: #653 ryannon

Jackals circling a wounded lion.

It not so much a wound as a thorn in the foot... we shall soon have an opportunity to pluck it out.

660 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:27:57pm

re: #634 torrentprime
You say tarnished, but the fools are still coming here to put their money away, and the hedge funds are boomin'.

661 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:28:05pm

The Picycle

Youtube Video
662 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:28:13pm

re: #639 albusteve

is there an alternative to capitalism to create wealth?

Yes, because that was both what my sentence referred to and my secret insinuation. [eyeroll]

Replace my original comment with something about Mohammed and the response from the right is indistinguishable from intolerant Muslims - "how dare you disrespect my sacred god - are you an infidel/communist?"

Tell me, ABS: does love and respect for capitalism preclude acknowledging when it knocked its own be-hind into the dirt?

663 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:28:36pm

re: #657 HoosierHoops
Well duh... it's part of the european health care plan.//

664 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:28:39pm

re: #656 iceweasel

I read Rules for Radicals a few years ago, Alinsky has a very unrealistic vision of society. I would say Obama models his policies on the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

665 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:28:44pm

re: #653 ryannon

Jackals circling a wounded lion.

maybe it's time to let the feds run the economy?....BWAHAHA!

666 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:29:02pm

re: #638 b_sharp

Yes, they made a mistake and they should correct it and verify they made no other mistakes. The IPCC report is rather large and compiled from a large number of information sources, primarily peer reviewed literature, but not all; mistakes will occur.

But instead the Chairman of the IPCC RK Pachauri slanders the fact checkers who uncovered this massive blunder as engaging in "Voodoo science."

And never-mind the shenanigans at East Anglia and their attempts to silence their opponents.

There may be lots of great stuff in the IPCC AR4, but until the turds are removed it belongs in the toilet.

The IPCC should be disbanded along with the rest of the vile UN. Let real scientists without bias and massive conflicts of interest inform the public and world governments. Scepticism and open debate are the hallmarks of good science.

667 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:29:03pm

re: #660 tradewind

You say tarnished, but the fools are still coming here to put their money away, and the hedge funds are boomin'.

not fools, long term investors... they know this bullshit can't last.

668 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:29:40pm

re: #653 ryannon

Jackals circling a wounded lion.

A lion that bit itself into unconsciousness?

669 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:29:53pm

re: #662 torrentprime

Yes, because that was both what my sentence referred to and my secret insinuation. [eyeroll]

Replace my original comment with something about Mohammed and the response from the right is indistinguishable from intolerant Muslims - "how dare you disrespect my sacred god - are you an infidel/communist?"

Tell me, ABS: does love and respect for capitalism preclude acknowledging when it knocked its own be-hind into the dirt?

what does ABS mean?

670 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:30:35pm

re: #661 Racer X

That's pretty cool.

671 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:30:53pm

re: #664 YoungLibertarian92

I read Rules for Radicals a few years ago, Alinsky has a very unrealistic vision of society. I would say Obama models his policies on the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

CRISIS!...

672 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:31:16pm

re: #662 torrentprime

Capitalism is not a faith, it is based on economic facts and trends that have occurred time and time again. Rent control laws under Alexander the Great had the same effects in Egypt in the 1980s and San Francisco in the 1950s. Price controls created rationing in the Soviet Union and in the US when we put price controls on gas. It's not a faith, its a set of economic beliefs.

673 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:31:43pm

re: #671 albusteve

Did I step on a land mine?

674 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:31:47pm

Beer Wars

Youtube Video
675 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:09pm

re: #673 YoungLibertarian92

Did I step on a land mine?

no

676 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:11pm

re: #670 Killgore Trout

That's pretty cool.

I thot so - only $2500. I want one.

677 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:19pm

re: #667 brookly red
Hey, we agree.
I was being ///.

678 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:20pm

re: #674 Racer X

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

679 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:28pm

re: #639 albusteve

To create wealth in general? Probably not. To create wealth for oneself and for one's cronies? Oh my, yes. Let me count the ways.

680 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:35pm

re: #675 albusteve

What did I do?

681 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:32:56pm

re: #661 Racer X

The Picycle


[Video]

I did engines...I cannot be swayed

682 ethics  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:33:12pm

WHAT? No, "GOOD NIGHT? Why, I oughtaa... *punch in the face*

That's what one delivery guy got when he delivered the pizza:

But Kroning says McNeil and his wife offered nothing. So Kroning withheld the only thing he could: he didn't say "Have a good night." Instead, he took the $20.37 — exact change — and walked back to his car without a word, he says.

That's when Kroning says the woman leaned out the door and told Kroning he could have been more polite, plus the pizza wasn't up to par. Kroning reminded her cheerfulness is related to gratuity.

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

683 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:33:54pm

re: #678 YoungLibertarian92

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

because there is a divine order to the universe.

684 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:33:56pm

re: #678 YoungLibertarian92

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

Best beer commercial ever?

Youtube Video
685 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:34:06pm

re: #679 negativ

That's only if the government implements policies to benefit their campaign contributers. Capitalism does create wealth. We can see it in individual net income which has risen 51% over the last 30 years.

686 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:34:35pm

re: #680 YoungLibertarian92

What did I do?

just riffing on Cloward-Piven

687 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:34:59pm

re: #672 YoungLibertarian92

Capitalism is not a faith, it is based on economic facts and trends that have occurred time and time again. Rent control laws under Alexander the Great had the same effects in Egypt in the 1980s and San Francisco in the 1950s. Price controls created rationing in the Soviet Union and in the US when we put price controls on gas. It's not a faith, its a set of economic beliefs.

Given your apparent knowledge of this, I find it even more amusing that you would respond to an opinion as to how well capitalism has self-governed over the years (I assume you don't disagree that capitalism didn't cover itself in glory for the last 20 years?) with such an irrelevant defense, ala, "Well, yeah, but my way is better than any other way / my god is better than any other god".

688 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:35:10pm

Speaking of jackals..
Bauer's back!
24, Day Eight.
May it return as it was in its glory days... with a minimum of PC crapola.

689 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:35:21pm

re: #684 Racer X

Best beer commercial ever?


[Video]

I like the new paintball commercial...heh...airstrikes!

690 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:35:36pm

re: #686 albusteve

Is that bad, or am I incorrect? I don't think its being done intentionally I just believe it's going to happen with Obama's policies.

691 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:37:21pm

re: #687 torrentprime

Capitalism did not get to govern itself because we bailed out those failed gamblers on Wall Street. I was just giving an example of how government policies can have unintended consequences.

692 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:37:42pm

re: #690 YoungLibertarian92

Is that bad, or am I incorrect? I don't think its being done intentionally I just believe it's going to happen with Obama's policies.

it's not bad...it's a dead thread, post whatever you want...it's cool...frankly I think BO is a CP fan myself, and his cronies

693 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:38:36pm

re: #692 albusteve

I don't think its dead. Was a new thread created?

694 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:39:44pm

re: #691 YoungLibertarian92

Capitalism did not get to govern itself because we bailed out those failed gamblers on Wall Street. I was just giving an example of how government policies can have unintended consequences.

I confused you and albusteve anyway, so my comment was incorrectly pointed at you. Apologies.

I agree that government policies had one heck of an impact over the past 20 years. We probably disagree over which ones. ;)

695 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #687 torrentprime

Given your apparent knowledge of this, I find it even more amusing that you would respond to an opinion as to how well capitalism has self-governed over the years (I assume you don't disagree that capitalism didn't cover itself in glory for the last 20 years?) with such an irrelevant defense, ala, "Well, yeah, but my way is better than any other way / my god is better than any other god".

you are on the verge of making an ass of yourself...people can post whatever they want...you seem hypercritical and looking for confrontation...why don't you relax and tell us a joke?

696 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:40:04pm

re: #678 YoungLibertarian92

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

All it takes is a couple of people foaming at the mouth.

697 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:41:27pm

re: #693 YoungLibertarian92

I don't think its dead. Was a new thread created?

most threads 700 posts long are considered dead with regard to the subject Charles posted...it's the natural way it turns out

698 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:41:47pm

I'm gonna grab some Mexican food and watch Good Burger with my gf. BBL.

699 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:41:57pm

re: #696 Spare O'Lake

All it takes is a couple of people foaming at the mouth.

your puns have lost some fizz

700 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:42:07pm

re: #697 albusteve

most threads 700 posts long are considered dead with regard to the subject Charles posted...it's the natural way it turns out

Unless it's an evolution or AGW thread.

701 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:42:10pm

re: #695 albusteve

you are on the verge of making an ass of yourself...people can post whatever they want...you seem hypercritical and looking for confrontation...why don't you relax and tell us a joke?

a joke?... OK. how do you grow an economy? Raise Taxes! Hahahahah!

702 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:42:18pm

Michael Yon - Spitting Cobra.
Cobra Battery at FOB Frontenac
Arghandab, Afghanistan

703 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:43:32pm

re: #701 brookly red

a joke?... OK. how do you grow an economy? Raise Taxes! Hahahahah!

that joke is already a year old dude

704 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:43:53pm

re: #698 YoungLibertarian92

I'm gonna grab some Mexican food and watch Good Burger with my gf. BBL.

don't forget to pay your gf tax....

705 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:43:56pm

re: #682 ethics

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

706 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:43:57pm

re: #692 albusteve

it's not bad...it's a dead thread, post whatever you want...it's cool...frankly I think BO is a CP fan myself, and his cronies

My own oft stated view is that it is more an example of Engrenage, which is a twist on CP. The intent is not the destruction of the Capitalist system and Democratic government, rather, it is a mechanism to build greater governmental control by steadily increasing the bureaucracy after each small or large crisis.

The answer is always more government to each problem, and sounds reasonable at the time. The intent is the morphing of capitalism and democracy into a post-modern version that goes by international law and is overseen by unelected experts and bureaucrats.

707 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:11pm

Rotating title or power trio name:
The Amish Cadillacs
discuss

708 torrentprime  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:38pm

re: #695 albusteve

you are on the verge of making an ass of yourself...people can post whatever they want...you seem hypercritical and looking for confrontation...why don't you relax and tell us a joke?

My friend (and I say that completely unironically; I've really come to enjoy this site and its community in the past few weeks): Why on earth would you think I'm not relaxed? An honest, respectful debate among differently-minded people is pretty much how I enjoy my rainy Sunday afternoons. I hope my humor is coming through; I'm typing with a smile on my face.

Joke: Tosh.0 season-premiered this week, and in his opening monologue Tosh led up to a picture of Todd Palin. He looked over at the pic and said, "Hey Todd; I just finished coloring your wife's book."
Too soon?

709 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:44pm

re: #703 albusteve

that joke is already a year old dude

yeah but you would be surprised how many people don't get it...

710 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:45pm

re: #706 Bagua

My own oft stated view is that it is more an example of Engrenage, which is a twist on CP. The intent is not the destruction of the Capitalist system and Democratic government, rather, it is a mechanism to build greater governmental control by steadily increasing the bureaucracy after each small or large crisis.

The answer is always more government to each problem, and sounds reasonable at the time. The intent is the morphing of capitalism and democracy into a post-modern version that goes by international law and is overseen by unelected experts and bureaucrats.

EU socialism?

711 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #707 Taqyia2Me

Rotating title or power trio name:
The Amish Cadillacs
discuss

So...the horses are pinstriped?

712 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:49pm

re: #707 Taqyia2Me

Needs more chrome.

713 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:44:53pm

re: #678 YoungLibertarian92

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

Are you kidding? The Democrats hold the Presidency, and both houses of congress. Nancy Pelosi is Speaker, Joe "the great gaffspie" Biden is VP. You think about it, ... I need a drink.

714 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:45:32pm

re: #699 albusteve

your puns have lost some fizz

Some people just don't seem able to use their heads.

715 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #661 Racer X

The Picycle


[Video]

The French turn a gasoline-powered classic into an e-bike. About the same price, performance and range:

Youtube Video

Gas or electric-powered, these are very neat, easy to ride and maintain.

716 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:46:40pm

re: #714 Spare O'Lake

Some people just don't seem able to use their heads.

When that happens they get all hopped up.

717 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:47:26pm

re: #678 YoungLibertarian92

Why does every thread eventually turn towards beer?

Like water, beer always finds its own level.

718 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:47:47pm

re: #706 Bagua

My own oft stated view is that it is more an example of Engrenage, which is a twist on CP. The intent is not the destruction of the Capitalist system and Democratic government, rather, it is a mechanism to build greater governmental control by steadily increasing the bureaucracy after each small or large crisis.

The answer is always more government to each problem, and sounds reasonable at the time. The intent is the morphing of capitalism and democracy into a post-modern version that goes by international law and is overseen by unelected experts and bureaucrats.

well said..and reasonable since the proof is right before our eyes

719 brookly red  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:48:07pm

re: #717 ryannon

Like water, beer always finds its own level.

urrrrp! dang straight.

720 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:48:43pm

re: #715 ryannon

That's a neat design.
[Link: pimobility.com...]

721 Racer X  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:49:34pm

re: #715 ryannon

The Picycle has cool factor of 11. The "eSolex 1er Essai" - not so much.

722 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:49:47pm

re: #708 torrentprime

My friend (and I say that completely unironically; I've really come to enjoy this site and its community in the past few weeks): Why on earth would you think I'm not relaxed? An honest, respectful debate among differently-minded people is pretty much how I enjoy my rainy Sunday afternoons. I hope my humor is coming through; I'm typing with a smile on my face.

Joke: Tosh.0 season-premiered this week, and in his opening monologue Tosh led up to a picture of Todd Palin. He looked over at the pic and said, "Hey Todd; I just finished coloring your wife's book."
Too soon?

no...that's pretty funny...sometimes people are too burned out for debate after a certain point, so what did BO do at Harvard anyway?

723 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:49:50pm

re: #710 MandyManners

EU socialism?

Yes, it is quite clear and transparent across the pond. The effect is overall there. Stateside it is more a question of spill over than design.

724 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:50:28pm

re: #709 brookly red

yeah but you would be surprised how many people don't get it...

now that's funny!...good one...I set 'em up...

725 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:51:26pm

re: #688 tradewind

Speaking of jackals..
Bauer's back!
24, Day Eight.
May it return as it was in its glory days... with a minimum of PC crapola.

I'll just assume that most of you have already seen this - but are happy to see it again:

Youtube Video
726 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:58:04pm

re: #723 Bagua

Yes, it is quite clear and transparent across the pond. The effect is overall there. Stateside it is more a question of spill over than design.

Top 50 banks in the world by assets - with their market caps : top 50 by assets

1 Royal Bank of Scotland 3,807,892 United Kingdom 12/31/07 20.4 -91
2 Deutsche Bank 2,974,163 Germany 12/31/07 26.4 -56
3 BNP Paribas 2,494,412 France 12/31/07 42.7 -44
4 Barclays Bank 2,459,148 United Kingdom 12/31/07 14.8 -71
5 HSBC Holdings 2,354,266 United Kingdom 12/31/07 104.2 -41
6 Crédit Agricole Group 2,268,310 France 12/31/07 27.7 -48
7 Citigroup 2,187,631 USA 12/31/07 21.4 -86
8 UBS 2,019,173 Switzerland 12/31/07 34.1 -47
9 Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group 1,817,571 Japan 03/31/08 61.3 -43

727 Aye Pod  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:59:19pm

re: #708 torrentprime

My friend (and I say that completely unironically; I've really come to enjoy this site and its community in the past few weeks): Why on earth would you think I'm not relaxed? An honest, respectful debate among differently-minded people is pretty much how I enjoy my rainy Sunday afternoons. I hope my humor is coming through; I'm typing with a smile on my face.

Joke: Tosh.0 season-premiered this week, and in his opening monologue Tosh led up to a picture of Todd Palin. He looked over at the pic and said, "Hey Todd; I just finished coloring your wife's book."
Too soon?

Well said :)

728 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:00:53pm

re: #726 Gus 802

Meaning?

729 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:01:44pm

re: #291 5string

I think Walter Newton and LostLakeHiker who started this sub-topic I think - make a good point. For anyone interested here is the paragraph in the IPCC report:

Located here:

[Link: www.ipcc.ch...]

"Glaciers in the Himalaya are receding faster than in any other
part of the world (see Table 10.9) and, if the present rate
continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035
and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at
the current rate. Its total area will likely shrink from the present
500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005)."

The last sentence, which could be seen as the sentence the citation refers to rather than the one before it, is not even clear as to what "It's total area" refers to. It seems like maybe there was another sentence before it that may have been edited out but the editor didn't catch the dangling last sentence. Just a guess.

It's really hard to tell what happened because the WWF quoted from the New Scientist article and claimed it was from a 1999 'Working Group on Himalayan Glaciology (WGHG) of the International Commission for Snow and Ice (ICSI)' report. If the IPCC authors didn't follow the trail, then they were being really stupid, but not dishonest.

730 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:01:47pm

re: #728 Bagua

Meaning?

Europe has a vibrant economy.

731 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:07:50pm

re: #713 Yankee Division Son

Dan Quayle was secretly a post-genius superhero who assumed the secret identity of a blithering idiot in order to throw his enemies off the trail.

Or something.

732 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:14:42pm

re: #730 Gus 802

Europe has a vibrant economy.

Ha! Better take a closer look, and the point is not economic at this point, though the last financial crises was certainly a result of the process I am describing, rather it is primary political at this point. Nor is the market cap of the banking sector the only, or even best measure of economic "vibrancy", whatever that may be.

733 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:08:22pm

re: #304 keloyd

1. When I come to power, or at least get off my buttocks and make my own blog, I will never quote or link to Hollywood people to talk politics or science ever, even when I agree with them. You feed the beast even when you ridicule them. All attention is absorbed and just makes them stronger and wealthier.

Just like any group, Hollywood people span a range of intelligence, interests, knowledge and wisdom. If they can show they know what they're talking about, they can be taken just as seriously as any other layperson. If you don't want them to have power and money, convince everyone to stop going to movies. As far as I can see, they're just a product of our economic system.

2. Re global warming - I can't get past the fact that all the glaciers I've seen on road trips were shrinking BEFORE the industrial revolution.

Um, personal anecdotes aren't really evidence of anything, other than personal experience. Some have been shrinking, some growing, that's the nature of our current climate. The trend of warming isn't going to completely change that, it will only increase the number shrinking and reduce the number growing.

Excess CO2 cannot cause warming predating the industrial revolution.

What does this have to do with now?

No one claims CO2 caused any previous warming trend, or glacial melting, there are a number of other causes available for that, nor has any one claimed CO2 is the only factor affecting climate trend now, in fact just the opposite. The climate is affected by a number of factors at any given time, some overpowering others at one time, others times the precedence is different. Right now, CO2 is that little motivator that pushes those warming factors a bit farther forward and gets in the way of the cooling factors just a tiny bit.

I cannot disagree that we are speeding the thing along somewhat, but the degree is very debatable.

Debatable by whom? Should my neighbour's opinions be held as high as someone trained in a relevant field?

Also, the fluctuations (warmer, then colder, then warmer) since the Roman empire are much more large and sudden than anything seen in the last century.

This information come from where?
What does this have to do with current trends?

The current trend does not have to look any different than any other to be an effect of human activity, it just has to have an additional cause and evidence that cause is influential.

I'm all for gas taxes and carbon restrictions to save a dwindling resource, avoid foreign entanglements, and clean up pollution, but the global warming thing is more froth than beer.

Is this opinion based on a comprehensive, deep investigation and understanding of the science or on a buddy's drunken proclamation?

3. I also hate hippies.

How many hippies do you know?

734 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:20:31pm

re: #383 Walter L. Newton

Did you read the articles I linked to?

Where do those articles say its a cornerstone?

735 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:21:48pm

I have decided. In honor of Toots? Geaux Saints.

736 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #589 brookly red

you waited over 400 comments for that gem? whatever.

What 400 comments? I was answering comment #126.

737 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:49:09pm

re: #592 Walter L. Newton

Did you take you medications tonight?

Fuck you.

738 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 7:50:12pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

Now you are starting to act like a jerk. I'll repeat myself for the reading impaired...

"Go search LGF for my discussions on the HADCRUT3 dataset. I've written paragraph after paragraph on it and I am not going to type it out again."

That was posted before your answer. Look at the bloody time stamps.

739 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 8:02:47pm

re: #611 Walter L. Newton

You know, I'm not the most like Lizard on here, but I am respected, and your little 12 year old nit-picking of my comments down the thread only make you look petty. Really, you are not going to get a lot of support for you antics here.

I didn't know that asking a simple question is nit picking. You got upset that someone told you they didn't get their approval, something I didn't notice so I asked who. There was no snark there.

As for the rest, you claim to have information that can be important, but I saw no link to your information, nor any mention of what you might have found, so I asked for that information.

I can see now that you are quite self important and probably think everything is about you but perhaps you should get over the idea every question aimed at you is snark.

Before you start whining about my being a jerk for asking a question, maybe you should look at the time stamps to see when I wrote the comment.

BTW, for my part the snark didn't come in till that medication comment.

740 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 8:07:46pm

re: #739 b_sharp

Wow... you just spent the last 45 minutes talking to yourself. LOL.

741 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 8:08:28pm

re: #739 b_sharp

You know, when you have four comments in a row like that it can be a sign that other people have moved on. Maybe you should too. And have couple downdings for the insults you flung at Walter.

742 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 8:08:57pm

re: #737 b_sharp

Fuck you.

ManBearPig is that you?

743 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:36:46pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout
Way to miss the point.
I wasn't talking at all about his honoring Dr King's birthday.
But you knew that.

744 stayfrosty  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:13:31am

I really don't see how you can deny this one, Charles, whether you believe in AGW or not. If we're gonna mock Pat Robertson for blaming it on God, why give Glover a pass on his ignorance? It doesn't make AGW true or false either way.

And the quote I found most convincing wasn't the one in the topic, it was this part:

When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?

Seems pretty clear to me that that he's trying this disaster to Climate Change.

745 stayfrosty  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:14:14am

*trying to link

746 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:55:49pm

re: #744 stayfrosty

I really don't see how you can deny this one, Charles, whether you believe in AGW or not.

Simple. Because it's WRONG.

Go ahead and attack Danny Glover for the many stupid things he DOES say. But it's simple dishonesty to make up things he DIDN'T say and attack him for that.

I'm not a fan of Danny Glover, I'm a fan of the TRUTH. And Glover did not say that global warming caused the Haitian earthquake.

747 stayfrosty  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:02:06pm

OK, so what do you think he meant by the statement I quoted above?

When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?

I mean, I've read it a dozen times and I can see no logical explanation other than he was trying to link this to global warming.

748 '  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:31:48pm

re: #132 Charles

He definitely said 'hell'.

749 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:15pm

re: #748 '

No, he absolutely did not.

750 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:47:52pm

re: #747 stayfrosty

OK, so what do you think he meant by the statement I quoted above?

I've already answered that. Quote:

Danny Glover’s a pretty hardcore Hollywood leftist; hangs out with Hugo Chavez, visits Cuba, talks a lot about American misdeeds in Central America. (And there have been a few.) He’s trying to politicize the Haitian disaster, clumsily, by saying that all the Caribbean island nations are in danger from global warming (in addition to earthquakes), and that “a new kind of internationalism” is needed to address it. He rambles for a while about this, then finishes by saying that the international meeting in Copenhagen led to the “response” — the international relief effort.

This is all very muddled and stream of consciousness, but you’d have to really stretch to say he meant the earthquake was the response to Copenhagen. He never says anything remotely resembling what’s already going around numerous right wing blogs — that global warming caused the Haitian earthquake.

751 stayfrosty  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:06:46pm

re: #750 Charles

I don't personally buy it, but fair enough. I think it's just such a non-sequitur that I have a hard time seeing how negotiations at the climate summit have much at all to do with getting aid to people in Haiti. Had the negotiations gone well and a deal was achieved, does Glover think the humanitarian response would be improved? Your interpretation of his comments seems to imply that.

Or perhaps Glover really does think it was caused by global warming, as some people do?

Considering how far out in left-field he is on every issue you can think of, I wouldn't be surprised either way.

752 stayfrosty  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:08:47pm

Oh, by the way, Charles:

I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 64-bit and recently I've been getting extreme lag at times when typing or backspacing in the comments sections here. I've not noticed it at any other site, and this is the first time it's happened here. Seems to have been going on for about a day or two now. Any ideas?

753 '  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:15pm

re: #749 Charles

Oh, yes he did.

754 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:52:36pm

re: #753 '

This is stupid. I'm not getting into a yes-he-did, no-he-didn't fight with you.

You're just wrong. He said "in peril" and it's perfectly clear in the recording.

755 stayfrosty  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:09:03am

re: #753 '

Obviously I don't agree with Charles on this topic (see above), but he definitely didn't say "all this hell" as you claim. He said "all in peril".

756 '  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:08:50am

re: #754 Charles

Happy to disagree with you, Charles.

757 The Left  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:15:36am

re: #756 '

Happy to disagree with you, Charles.

You'd be better off stating the reasons why, in a coherent and intelligent fashion--rather than taking potshots (which have already been debunked, even by people who also disagree with him) on a dead thread during the Bitching Hours.

758 The Left  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 3:19:47am

re: #752 stayfrosty

Oh, by the way, Charles:

I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 64-bit and recently I've been getting extreme lag at times when typing or backspacing in the comments sections here. I've not noticed it at any other site, and this is the first time it's happened here. Seems to have been going on for about a day or two now. Any ideas?

I think depending on the browser and/or OS you have, there's been a lagtime on threads when there are more than 700 or so comments at times. I've noticed it as well, but usually not unless I have multiple tabs (and video) open, and the comment thread gets up above 800, 900. It's usually not triggered by LGF alone for me.

759 stayfrosty  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 3:40:11am

re: #758 iceweasel

I think depending on the browser and/or OS you have, there's been a lagtime on threads when there are more than 700 or so comments at times. I've noticed it as well, but usually not unless I have multiple tabs (and video) open, and the comment thread gets up above 800, 900. It's usually not triggered by LGF alone for me.

Come to think of it, I've only seen it happen on threads with the number of comments nearing one thousand. I think that might be it. Thanks!


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