Yes, it’s another open thread, because I’m still ramblin’ across this great land of our’n. In the meantime, play nice, stay on the paths, and do not feed the trolls. And have a great Martin Luther King Day.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:30am |
ahhhhh! I love the smell of a open thread in the morning!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:35am |
do not feed the trolls
Feeding on the trolls, on the other hand...
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:10am |
Repost from downstairs
Saw a great documentary on the sun yesterday. One thing they got into was the maunder minimum. Now we are in another extended minimum solar spot activity period. Which they perhaps associate with cooler climate.
Is this reducing the AGW, and when we get our sun spots back-look out for a real acceleration? I have not seen these issues addressed together. Anyone got a link or anything? Nic is blue. Thanks
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American-African Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:18am |
Good morning and Happy Martin Luther King Day!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:59am |
re: #4 American-African
Same to you. Not a day off work here I'm afraid. Maybe someday...
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American-African Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:29:51am |
re: #5 Rightwingconspirator
I too am working today. Took a moment to check on my fellow lizards. I must get back to work, though.
Everyone have fun, and try to serve someone today.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:31am |
this great land of our’n
Have you been hanging out in the Appalachian Mountains?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:38am |
re: #3 Rightwingconspirator
Repost from downstairs
Saw a great documentary on the sun yesterday. One thing they got into was the maunder minimum. Now we are in another extended minimum solar spot activity period. Which they perhaps associate with cooler climate.
Is this reducing the AGW, and when we get our sun spots back-look out for a real acceleration? I have not seen these issues addressed together. Anyone got a link or anything? Nic is blue. Thanks
Why do you mention that your nic is blue. Can't we just post a link to a topic like that right here? What's the problem.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:07am |
re: #7 MandyManners
Have you been hanging out in the Appalachian Mountains?
Before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, I'm from those mountains. The dialect and accent are as charming as the land itself.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:32am |
re: #9 MandyManners
Before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, I'm from those mountains. The dialect and accent are as charming as the land itself.
Good Lord willin' an' the crick don't rise!
My Dear Ole Dad too!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:05am |
re: #9 MandyManners
Before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, I'm from those mountains. The dialect and accent are as charming as the land itself.
It is beautiful country, and I know some good people from round about those parts. Hard to understand, but good people. *ducks*
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:19am |
re: #9 MandyMannersI have done a lot of hiking on that trail and met plenty of interesting people along the way. Gods country for sure.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:02am |
Things don't look good for Coakley.
[Link: www.intrade.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:37:11am |
As I was walking, I saw a sign there
And on the sign it, Said no trespassing
But on the other side, It didn't say nothing
That side was made for you and me.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:08am |
re: #11 thedopefishlives
Not nearly as hard to understand as upstate New Yorkers.///
Toss in parts of Baahstan, too.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:19am |
re: #4 American-African
Good morning and Happy Martin Luther King Day!
What's up AA? Good to see ya!
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:14am |
Tonight I shall give a little prayer for Brown.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:40am |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:53am |
re: #3 Rightwingconspirator
Repost from downstairs
Saw a great documentary on the sun yesterday. One thing they got into was the maunder minimum. Now we are in another extended minimum solar spot activity period. Which they perhaps associate with cooler climate.
Is this reducing the AGW, and when we get our sun spots back-look out for a real acceleration? I have not seen these issues addressed together. Anyone got a link or anything? Nic is blue. Thanks
Here, I'll post the links I have on sunspot activity and global warming/cooling.
I don't know if this Harvard abstract will help.
[Link: adsabs.harvard.edu...]
And these guys are Russians, so it's probably junk science.
[Link: journals.cambridge.org...]
And the best article that addresses you question is at the University Of East Anglia, the CRU, but surprisingly, they have shut down public access to a lot of their papers...
[Link: www.cru.uea.ac.uk...]
[Link: www.cru.uea.ac.uk...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:03am |
re: #15 tradewind
Not nearly as hard to understand as upstate New Yorkers.///
Toss in parts of Baahstan, too.
I have a few friends from the Boston area. We make fun of each other all the time over our accents.
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charlesincharge Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:25am |
More IPCC AGW bull crap. Anyone surprised?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:54am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:58am |
re: #18 filetandrelease
Tonight I shall give a little prayer for Brown.
He's eye candy for sure...
I hope he's not a moron.
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:14am |
Listening to the recorded voice of Martin Luther King on the radio.
What a great man
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:30am |
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:51am |
re: #18 filetandrelease
If she loses, I'm bracing for the fury of the Dems to break out in ugly ways.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:53am |
re: #9 MandyManners
Before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, I'm from those mountains. The dialect and accent are as charming as the land itself.
One of my favorites for when someone is sick or just feeling out of sorts:
"been off their feed"
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:05am |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
No problem, just opening the option in case some one has the paper to send as a pdf rather than a link to a site.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:16am |
re: #24 charlesincharge
Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research.
Why let facts get in the way of a good story?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:31am |
re: #9 MandyManners
Before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, I'm from those mountains. The dialect and accent are as charming as the land itself.
one of my favorite places in all of America, and there are several, is the mountains in West Virginia...I love those people, a different world
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:45am |
re: #21 thedopefishlives
I don't get turning an ending ' a ' into an ' r '.
Where did that come from?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:19am |
re: #33 albusteve
one of my favorite places in all of America, and there are several, is the mountains in West Virginia...I love those people, a different world
Lot of West Virginia jokes in that one. Usually, it's a native telling them--about themselvs!
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SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:47am |
re: #15 tradewind
Not nearly as hard to understand as upstate New Yorkers.///
Toss in parts of Baahstan, too.
Speaking of Baahstan....
The new lady in my life hails from Boston! She's one of the directors of a CHD group I work with!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:56am |
re: #37 ggt
Lot of West Virginia jokes in that one. Usually, it's a native telling them--about themselvs!
I'm a mountaineer by birth. I even admit it, too.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:56am |
re: #30 ggt
I like ' getting down to the lick-log'.
(for yankees, that would be brass tacks).
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:12am |
re: #33 albusteve
one of my favorite places in all of America, and there are several, is the mountains in West Virginia...I love those people, a different world
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:32am |
re: #24 charlesincharge
More IPCC AGW bull crap. Anyone surprised?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
This article is about process and procedure, it is NOT discussing the validity of AGW.
Your comment is an outright lie.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:41am |
re: #36 tradewind
I don't get turning an ending ' a ' into an ' r '.
Where did that come from?
If I knew, I still probably couldn't tell you.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:15am |
PS May I just say that if Brown wins in Mass, and the health care bill is still polling in the gutter as it currently is, yet the Democrats pass it on the basis of reconciliation- you will see a blood bath in the 2010 elections.
I wonder if they're smart enough to realize that.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:19am |
re: #31 Rightwingconspirator
No problem, just opening the option in case some one has the paper to send as a pdf rather than a link to a site.
Well, you got some links, go for it. The most interesting one would be the CRU paper, which actually discusses what you are interested in, but it appears that they have been doing some work on their servers, oh, for more than two months now.
MAybe you can find another link to that paper. I've read it in the past, and I know if I were the CRU, I wouldn't want that floating around right now.
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:35am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:38am |
re: #37 ggt
Lot of West Virginia jokes in that one. Usually, it's a native telling them--about themselvs!
I just like the tough, hardscrabble element to it....NM has that appeal as well...keep your mouth shut, your head down, mind your own business and make your life whatever you can....close to the land, part of it
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:47:13am |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can't ya read the sign?
Unfortunately, in an increasing number of cases today, the answer to that would be ' no'.......
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:48:13am |
re: #46 Ojoe
What, it would be good to get the other guys in power?
Feh.
If they remotely look at the federal balance sheet and slow things down, then yes. Hopefully they learned something from the years they spent spending as much as Democrats and were tossed out due to it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:48:47am |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
This article is about process and procedure, it is NOT discussing the validity of AGW.
Your comment is an outright lie.
Addendum: As I commented over and over yesterday, I think the scientific process and procedure at the IPCC has been compromised by revelations like this, and by the revelations about the methods at CRU and so on, but this article itself is not really arguing the whole of the AGW controversy.
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:03am |
re: #49 TampaKnight
Well someone ought to start getting the nation out of hock.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:12am |
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:23am |
re: #44 TampaKnight
I don't see how this is gonna work for the Dems either way. If she wins and HC sails through, they own it. Bad.
If she loses, well...... Bad.
They'll come up with a spin, though. Gotta be a connection to Dubya in there somewhere.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:24am |
re: #48 tradewind
Can't ya read the sign?
Unfortunately, in an increasing number of cases today, the answer to that would be ' no'...
One of the Sci-Fi books I read recently actually had that scenerio. Very few could read because there was no reason to --the computers did everything by voice or people were wired into the system with implants.
History was lost to all but the scholars.
Wish I could remember the book--perhaps it was a short story from podcast.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:50:15am |
re: #53 tradewind
I don't see how this is gonna work for the Dems either way. If she wins and HC sails through, they own it. Bad.
If she loses, well... Bad.
They'll come up with a spin, though. Gotta be a connection to Dubya in there somewhere.
That's what happens you slam through a massive bill that Americans don't want, just for the sake of political clout in saying "we did something", whether or not that "something" is good.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:50:46am |
re: #54 ggt
There's the illiteracy problem, and then there's the language barrier in many cases. A double whammy.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:50:52am |
re: #44 TampaKnight
PS May I just say that if Brown wins in Mass, and the health care bill is still polling in the gutter as it currently is, yet the Democrats pass it on the basis of reconciliation- you will see a blood bath in the 2010 elections.
I wonder if they're smart enough to realize that.
But they'll have their bill law and it will be a mess getting rid of it. There are a few provisions worth looking at again, but being part of Pelosicare, Obamacare, etc. might poison them. And dismantling the new law gives the Democrats ammo for 2012. ("We managed to pass health care and the Republicans destroyed the new law. We told you and you didn't believe us - THEY JUST WANT YOU TO DIE!!!!")
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:04am |
re: #20 Walter L. Newton
Have you looked at this as a likely scenario? Some warming delayed by the solar minimum?
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:16am |
re: #18 filetandrelease
Tonight I shall give a little prayer for Brown.
Tomorrow I shall cast a little vote for Mr. Brown.
It has been quite remarkable what has been happening here in MA. Both for what Brown has done (which has been to run a clean campaign, to distance himself from Tea Partiers though they haven't wanted to distance themselves from him and to absolutely dominate the Independent vote) and for how fast Coakley has fallen. Check out Real Clear Politics if you need proof.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:17am |
re: #56 tradewind
There's the illiteracy problem, and then there's the language barrier in many cases. A double whammy.
There are a lot of people who can read, but few who are literate.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:58am |
re: #55 TampaKnight
If she loses, they will press it even harder and faster with no regard for any sort of compromise or working to make it more acceptable.
Not gonna be pretty. Sausage making will seem sterile in comparison.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:23am |
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez on Sunday accused the United States of using the earthquake in Haiti as a pretext to occupy the devastated Caribbean country and offered to send fuel from his OPEC nation.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:42am |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
I disagree. From the IPCC site..
Because of its scientific and intergovernmental nature, the IPCC embodies a unique opportunity to provide rigorous and balanced scientific information to decision makers. By endorsing the IPCC reports, governments acknowledge the authority of their scientific content. The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive.
Now it turns out they are neither rigorous nor balanced. Fail.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:17am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Are we even there yet?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:42am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:45am |
I just remembered the first time I saw the movie "Young Frankenstein". I was thirteen... kind of a sheltered kid... Didn't get it at all.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:32am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I called this the minute the earthquake happened, knowing the military would be the response mechanism.
That asshole sends a few planes of food and oil to Haiti, while we send a force that will no doubt be nearly solely responsible for large scale relief operations on the island.
And we're vilified. Why we continue to even entertain that little shithead is beyond me. That goes for all of those leftist leaders down there.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:34am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
he's just jealous
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:46am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
It'd be the best fuckin' thing that ever happened to them it if were true.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:51am |
re: #24 charlesincharge
More IPCC AGW bull crap. Anyone surprised?
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
Maybe this one will stay and play???
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:15am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Yeah, that's it. Imperialistic Great Satan at it again, going for the..........
What? Rum? See-gars?
Or some plot by a modern day Ms Hannigan to control the children........
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:27am |
re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just remembered the first time I saw the movie "Young Frankenstein". I was thirteen... kind of a sheltered kid... Didn't get it at all.
I finally bought that DVD this weekend. My local video store had it for $5.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:32am |
re: #29 tradewind
If she loses, I'm bracing for the fury of the Dems to break out in ugly ways.
The contrast with the tea partiers should be interesting.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:44am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Yeah, that's right, you stupid fuck. We created the earthquake just so that we could spend over $100,000,000.00.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:49am |
re: #54 ggt
One of the Sci-Fi books I read recently actually had that scenerio. Very few could read because there was no reason to --the computers did everything by voice or people were wired into the system with implants.
History was lost to all but the scholars.
Wish I could remember the book--perhaps it was a short story from podcast.
A part (there are many plot points) of Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age" deals with interactive books and movies where certain characters in the book or movie responds according to input from the reader/viewer.
There are "Ractives" who work on "stages." They are actors who have hundreds of nanodata points imbedded into their body, and in the stage booth, these hundreds of points are connected to the "network" and they are "hired" to play certain characters in a book or movie. The person reading/viewing see the "characters" not the human attached to the story (Ractive can be on the other side of the planet) and the Ractive has no idea who he/she is interfacing with.
Takes books/media etc. to a whole new level. Even the chopsticks used in eateries in this book have a coating of nano material that transmits advertisements on the chopstick while you are eating.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:10am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
OK, Hugo.... you fix Haiti.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:13am |
re: #59 bloodnok
I wish I could vote for him, good luck.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:12am |
re: #62 RogueOne
Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Dammit, he's onto us. Time to, I don't know, blow up a volcano in Venezuela so we can take him out./
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:15am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
BTW, I've been looking everywhere for Shakes the Clown and can't seem to find it. I'm going to have to get it online I guess.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:18am |
re: #58 Rightwingconspirator
Have you looked at this as a likely scenario? Some warming delayed by the solar minimum?
Or how about natural cycles, warm, cool... naw, couldn't be, the science is already settled. I don't know why these other scientist even bother to publish these papers. Maybe they should find some other line of work.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:25am |
re: #73 filetandrelease
Oh, I don't mean the Dem rank and file. There is no movement to speak of among regular Democrats. I mean the ones in Congress.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:31am |
PS I find it hilarious that Chavez has promised Haiti unlimited amounts of fuel, yet is mandating periodic blackouts in his own nation.
Authoritarian socialism, FTW!
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charlesincharge Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:35am |
re: #32 Mich-again
Why let facts get in the way of a good story?
Why let the facts get in the way of multimillion dollar government contracts? I'm sick of these "anti science" libs, spending our money to corrupt science itself.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:42am |
re: #79 RogueOne
BTW, I've been looking everywhere for Shakes the Clown and can't seem to find it. I'm going to have to get it online I guess.
Er... have you tried looking in a mirror LOL :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:59am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
A part (there are many plot points) of Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age" deals with interactive books and movies where certain characters in the book or movie responds according to input from the reader/viewer.
There are "Ractives" who work on "stages." They are actors who have hundreds of nanodata points imbedded into their body, and in the stage booth, these hundreds of points are connected to the "network" and they are "hired" to play certain characters in a book or movie. The person reading/viewing see the "characters" not the human attached to the story (Ractive can be on the other side of the planet) and the Ractive has no idea who he/she is interfacing with.
Takes books/media etc. to a whole new level. Even the chopsticks used in eateries in this book have a coating of nano material that transmits advertisements on the chopstick while you are eating.
Verner Vinge's Rainbow's End has a similar human/computer web interface. Oh, it might have been Metatropolis --the 5 short stories written by authors who intertwined their stories! I think that was it.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:26am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
Can the IPCC be criticized even a little bit when they fail at their mission to depoliticize science?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:33am |
re: #82 TampaKnight
PS I find it hilarious that Chavez has promised Haiti unlimited amounts of fuel, yet is mandating periodic blackouts in his own nation.
Authoritarian socialism, FTW!
Don't forget the three-minute showers.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:53am |
an upclose look at Haiti from Time
[Link: www.time.com...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:00:32am |
re: #86 Mich-again
Can the IPCC be criticized even a little bit when they fail at their mission to depoliticize science?
Oh, sure. But to use this as a means to say that AGW is bull shit? Nope.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:05am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
Maybe this one will stay and play???
It doesn't have to play, I'm off today. And we already went over this all day yesterday.
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SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:19am |
re: #87 MandyManners
Don't forget the three-minute showers.
March, 2011: Hugo Chavez introduces new law mandating at least two people must shower together.
December 2011-January 2012: Birth rate in Venezuela quadruples.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:38am |
re: #90 Varek Raith
Oh, sure. But to use this as a means to say that AGW is bull shit? Nope.
Err, sorry, that didn't come out right. Yes the IPCC can certainly be critizied. However to use this to say that AGW is bull shit? No.
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:46am |
re: #77 filetandrelease
I wish I could vote for him, good luck.
Thanks. If anything it shows that a candidate can succeed without employing Tea Party rhetoric, without running against President Obama, and without being a complete loon. It's a formula that says that sane candidates have a chance. Win or lose I hope that the GOP will learn from this.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:47am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:01am |
re: #90 Varek Raith
Oh, sure. But to use this as a means to say that AGW is bull shit? Nope.
Like I commented above to CharlesinCharge...
"No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
This article is about process and procedure, it is NOT discussing the validity of AGW.
Your comment is an outright lie."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:23am |
re: #90 Varek Raith
Oh, sure. But to use this as a means to say that AGW is bull shit? Nope.
It's a common argument anti-AGW'ers make. "Well, this one tiny point that AGW proponents make is wrong, so that means the whole argument is wrong!" That's a logical fallacy in that it does not necessarily follow that one logical falsehood invalidates the rest. That may, in fact, be true, but you have to PROVE that first.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:50am |
re: #88 albusteve
an upclose look at Haiti from Time
[Link: www.time.com...]
a baby boy born just minutes earlier
Oh, that just got me.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:03am |
re: #97 thedopefishlives
Similar tactics are often used by Twoofers and other conspiracy theorists and assorted nutjobs, as well.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:30am |
re: #92 SteveC
March, 2011: Hugo Chavez introduces new law mandating at least two people must shower together.
December 2011-January 2012: Birth rate in Venezuela quadruples.
Oh, you.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:35am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:26am |
re: #93 Varek Raith
Err, sorry, that didn't come out right. Yes the IPCC can certainly be critizied. However to use this to say that AGW is bull shit? No.
what difference does it make anyway?...it's much too late to alter the climate and even if it weren't the is no common will....so why haggle over a few degrees or whatever...the whole climate change thing bores me
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:50am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
A part (there are many plot points) of Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age" deals with interactive books and movies where certain characters in the book or movie responds according to input from the reader/viewer.
There are "Ractives" who work on "stages." They are actors who have hundreds of nanodata points imbedded into their body, and in the stage booth, these hundreds of points are connected to the "network" and they are "hired" to play certain characters in a book or movie. The person reading/viewing see the "characters" not the human attached to the story (Ractive can be on the other side of the planet) and the Ractive has no idea who he/she is interfacing with.
Takes books/media etc. to a whole new level. Even the chopsticks used in eateries in this book have a coating of nano material that transmits advertisements on the chopstick while you are eating.
After reading Anathem, I don't think I can handle another Stephenson for awhile.
/
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:14am |
Caffeinated hot chocolate ≠ Real coffee. :(
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:26am |
re: #102 albusteve
what difference does it make anyway?...it's much too late to alter the climate and even if it weren't the is no common will...so why haggle over a few degrees or whatever...the whole climate change thing bores me
Sarah Palin bores me.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:44am |
re: #94 bloodnok
True. To be fair, though, the Dems in MA badly misunderestimated their chokehold on the seat by fielding a candidate with no real qualifications and even less appeal . They'll probably wise up.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:51am |
re: #94 bloodnok
Thanks. If anything it shows that a candidate can succeed without employing Tea Party rhetoric, without running against President Obama, and without being a complete loon. It's a formula that says that sane candidates have a chance. Win or lose I hope that the GOP will learn from this.
maybe he will ascend through the Senate to the presidency like BO did...
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:15am |
re: #83 charlesincharge
I'm sick of these "anti science" libs, spending our money to corrupt science itself.
I have a different point of view. I do think there is a legitimate problem with the build-up of CO2 in the atmosphere and that it can and will affect the climate in ways we may not yet be able to understand or predict completely. My problem is that when the science is contaminated with politics, it only serves to give the doubters and deniers ammunition to undermine all the credible research and data that is out there.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:27am |
re: #83 charlesincharge
Why let the facts get in the way of multimillion dollar government contracts? I'm sick of these "anti science" libs, spending our money to corrupt science itself.
I'm tired of government spending our money.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:40am |
re: #97 thedopefishlives
It's a common argument anti-AGW'ers make. "Well, this one tiny point that AGW proponents make is wrong, so that means the whole argument is wrong!" That's a logical fallacy in that it does not necessarily follow that one logical falsehood invalidates the rest. That may, in fact, be true, but you have to PROVE that first.
Have you read any of the articles that have been linked to yesterday and today. This is not a "tiny point." It is a big point, a big point on process and procedure and protocol at the IPCC.
They are using non peer reviewed material to build a certain case, in the case being discussed here, the melting of the Himalayan glaciers.
And first off, they claimed that no such thing happened, and now they are slowly backing off (since even the head of this Himalayan report admitted to where the data came from).
So, this is not insignificant. It's not the "death" of the AGW debate, but it's certainly proves that there needs to be a constant examination of the science... that's... oh well... that's science isn't it.
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:53am |
re: #107 albusteve
That requires the Chicago Machine, and even Boston doesn't have it.///
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:11am |
re: #103 ggt
I read and loved Cryptomicon. Powered through the Baroque Cycle with a smile on my face. Got Anathem and couldn't get a chapter in. But I picked up snow crash and it brought back the excitement of those other novels. Highly recommended if you haven't read it yet.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:25am |
re: #108 Mich-again
I have a different point of view. I do think there is a legitimate problem with the build-up of CO2 in the atmosphere and that it can and will affect the climate in ways we may not yet be able to understand or predict completely. My problem is that when the science is contaminated with politics, it only serves to give the doubters and deniers ammunition to undermine all the credible research and data that is out there.
and make a lot of money.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:43am |
re: #83 charlesincharge
Why let the facts get in the way of multimillion dollar government contracts? I'm sick of these "anti science" libs, spending our money to corrupt science itself.
...? So, you don't think there's a lot of money behind the anti-AGW crusade?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:52am |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
This article is about process and procedure, it is NOT discussing the validity of AGW.
Your comment is an outright lie.
Actually, it may be worse than mere "grey" data.
From the article:
"In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.
It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.
Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change."
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:08:16am |
re: #109 ggt
I don't mind them spending my money..... it's how they spend it that makes me want to throw stuff.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:08:49am |
re: #112 McSpiff
I read and loved Cryptomicon. Powered through the Baroque Cycle with a smile on my face. Got Anathem and couldn't get a chapter in. But I picked up snow crash and it brought back the excitement of those other novels. Highly recommended if you haven't read it yet.
I thoroughly enjoyed the audio version of Anathem, but will probably have read it again someday to absorb it all.
I have Cryptomicon and the one Walter posted about in my cue, it will just be a while before I get to them.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:04am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:08am |
re: #116 tradewind
I don't mind them spending my money... it's how they
spendwaste it that makes me want to throw stuff.
free money is always wasted.
IMHO
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:13am |
re: #110 Walter L. Newton
Down, Walter. I'm on your side (well, mostly) here. What I'm saying is that the IPCC's failure of process does not invalidate all of AGW. The anti-AGW crowd has to prove that such a failure invalidates all the IPCC data, and from there that invalidating the IPCC data causes the whole house of cards to collapse. None of this has been demonstrated. The IPCC has acted with typical UN rigor and efficiency, but that's hardly grounds for panic for the AGW side.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:18am |
re: #110 Walter L. Newton
So, this is not insignificant. It's not the "death" of the AGW debate, but it's certainly proves that there needs to be a constant examination of the science... that's... oh well... that's science isn't it.
Good point Walter.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:36am |
re: #117 ggt
Maybe I'll need to dig out Anathem again. Just felt too sci-fi/fantasy for my tastes.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:28am |
Dennis Hopper is dying
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:49am |
re: #123 McSpiff
Maybe I'll need to dig out Anathem again. Just felt too sci-fi/fantasy for my tastes.
Or try the audio version. It was well done.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:12:23am |
re: #115 Spare O'Lake
If you look at any of my three links yesterday, you will see that the common term for the sources that you are mentioning above is "grey" data. I am using the term the same why the scientist do, and a scientist called the data "grey material" in one of the articles.
I just using it as it is used.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:12:35am |
re: #118 MandyManners
If I were his mommy, I'd name him Vinson.
Why Vinson? If you don't mind my asking....
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:13am |
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elBarto Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:21am |
I do not believe in AGW. That is not to say there is no Global Warming, I just don't think its humanities fault. I think that the people that are pushing AGW stand to make millions perhaps billions of dollars from schemes like carbon credits and exchanges.
There are reasons to take care of the enviroment but I dont think they will have an impact on warming or climate change.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:32am |
re: #124 albusteve
Dennis Hopper is dying
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
He's filed for divorce and sued for joint physical and legal custody while he has about a month to live? He's fucking nuts.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:58am |
re: #130 elBarto
I do not believe in AGW. That is not to say there is no Global Warming, I just don't think its humanities fault. I think that the people that are pushing AGW stand to make millions perhaps billions of dollars from schemes like carbon credits and exchanges.
There are reasons to take care of the enviroment but I dont think they will have an impact on warming or climate change.
And what do you base your opinion on?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:06am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:27am |
re: #124 albusteve
Dennis Hopper is dying
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Another acting legend dying? Whats going on that so many are dying so tragically? Stress? I don't get it!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:29am |
re: #130 elBarto
Could you please read one of the various sites that Charles has linked that explain clearly that AGW is, indeed, AGW?
Just take a look at his past posts on the subject, and you should get up to speed.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:45am |
re: #130 elBarto
I do not believe in AGW. That is not to say there is no Global Warming, I just don't think its humanities fault. I think that the people that are pushing AGW stand to make millions perhaps billions of dollars from schemes like carbon credits and exchanges.
There are reasons to take care of the enviroment but I dont think they will have an impact on warming or climate change.
That's nice. But I'll listen to the people who have actual background and experience in the relevant areas if you don't mind.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:02am |
re: #126 Walter L. Newton
In this case, "Grey Data" is just code for the more common term, bullshit.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:18am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:25am |
re: #135 Obdicut
Could you please read one of the various sites that Charles has linked that explain clearly that AGW is, indeed, AGW?
Just take a look at his past posts on the subject, and you should get up to speed.
And don't forget...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:26am |
re: #131 MandyManners
He's filed for divorce and sued for joint physical and legal custody while he has about a month to live? He's fucking nuts.
everybody knows that...an original lunatic, but I always liked his work
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:29am |
re: #134 Dragon_Lady
Another acting legend dying? Whats going on that so many are dying so tragically? Stress? I don't get it!
He IS kinda old. I'd say he lived pretty long with all the *stress*, drugs, etc.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:52am |
re: #133 MandyManners
'Cause it's prettier than Carl.
Oh, gotcha! lol! Love it, but whats wrong with Carl? Its a nice strong masculine name.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:17am |
re: #139 Walter L. Newton
Sorry, Walter, what shouldn't be forgotten about that, in terms of understanding that AGW is very real? I'm not understanding your point.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:35am |
re: #141 ggt
He IS kinda old. I'd say he lived pretty long with all the *stress*, drugs, etc.
Yeah probably, but its a crying shame if you ask me.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:41am |
re: #134 Dragon_Lady
Another acting legend dying? Whats going on that so many are dying so tragically? Stress? I don't get it!
Its somewhat surprising Dennis Hopper made it this far.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:55am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:44am |
re: #134 Dragon_Lady
Another acting legend dying? Whats going on that so many are dying so tragically? Stress? I don't get it!
Prostate cancer.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #124 albusteve
Dennis Hopper is dying
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
So he's filing for divorce on his death bed? Must want to go out with a smile on his face./
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:57am |
re: #126 Walter L. Newton
If you look at any of my three links yesterday, you will see that the common term for the sources that you are mentioning above is "grey" data. I am using the term the same why the scientist do, and a scientist called the data "grey material" in one of the articles.
I just using it as it is used.
OK, fine. But in order for there to be "grey data" one would think there would have to be at least some data based on some semblance of scientific research, and not on mere speculation.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:57am |
re: #147 albusteve
bad ASS!
GO CARL!
Indeed.
I used to have a way bigger pic of her, too.
Damn, what did I do with it???
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:27am |
Look at Nos. 119 and 139. Are they messed up for everyone or just me?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:43am |
re: #149 RogueOne
So he's filing for divorce on his death bed? Must want to go out with a smile on his face./
Silver lining, and all that.
///
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:43am |
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:48am |
re: #131 MandyManners
He's filed for divorce and sued for joint physical and legal custody while he has about a month to live? He's fucking nuts.
Not really. He apparently wants to limit the amount of his estate his wife has control over, and both moves aid that. The divorce is obvious, but even having custody transferred from his wife to his estate has legal ramifications for his wife.
It's very unfortunate that, at the very end of his life, things should come to such a pass. But there are good legal reasons for them if he wants a certain outcome.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:59am |
re: #13 ethics
Things don't look good for Coakley.
[Link: www.intrade.com...]
Things are much worse for Coakley than they they appear...
At the rally's yesterday.. the state firemarshall reported 1,100 at Northeastern, for the Obama speech
At the same time in Worcester, more than 3k turned out for Brown... this is happening at every rally. I have never seen the like my entire life, every minute of which I have lived in Massachusetts. That seat will be republican in roughly 36 hours.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:00am |
re: #149 RogueOne
So he's filing for divorce on his death bed? Must want to go out with a smile on his face./
one last twist of the knife...sounds like him
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:02am |
re: #148 MandyManners
Prostate cancer.
And yet Chavez still hasn't been hit by a bus. Karma works in mysterious ways.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:10am |
re: #142 Dragon_Lady
Oh, gotcha! lol! Love it, but whats wrong with Carl? Its a nice strong masculine name.
How many people are named "Carl" v. how many are named "Vinson"?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:25am |
re: #124 albusteve
Blue Velvet... So disturbing...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:55am |
re: #153 MandyManners
Look at Nos. 119 and 139. Are they messed up for everyone or just me?
looks normal here
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:05am |
re: #131 MandyManners
He's filed for divorce and sued for joint physical and legal custody while he has about a month to live? He's fucking nuts.
Or very, very pissed.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:06am |
re: #157 CapeCoddah
That seat will be republican in roughly 36 hours.
More likely that Dem demands for recounts and investigations will begin in 36 hours.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:20am |
re: #148 MandyManners
Prostate cancer.
What a real bummer way to go! Must be all the junk food they serve on set.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:38am |
re: #29 tradewind
If she loses, I'm bracing for the fury of the Dems to break out in ugly ways.
The fury will be when the dems try to postpone seating Brown, should he win.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:46am |
re: #156 SixDegrees
Not really. He apparently wants to limit the amount of his estate his wife has control over, and both moves aid that. The divorce is obvious, but even having custody transferred from his wife to his estate has legal ramifications for his wife.
It's very unfortunate that, at the very end of his life, things should come to such a pass. But there are good legal reasons for them if he wants a certain outcome.
Can an estate share custody of a child? Who will share decision-making?
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charlesincharge Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:54am |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
No, this is not AGW bullshit. This article is discussing the possibility that the IPCC used "grey" data (non peer reviewed material) to build a point about the melting of the glaciers in the Himalayas.
This article is about process and procedure, it is NOT discussing the validity of AGW.
Your comment is an outright lie.
Grey data? The original source admitted it was speculation i.e. BS. IMO just words he pulled out of thin air during a phone interview.
"Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research."
Then it becomes part of the IPCC report. Part of "settled science"? That is BS. And it ain't grey.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:22:17am |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
OK, fine. But in order for there to be "grey data" one would think there would have to be at least some data based on some semblance of scientific research, and not on mere speculation.
As I understand it, "gray" material simply refers to material that has not been peer reviewed. Nothing more nor less.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:22:33am |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:22:42am |
re: #167 CapeCoddah
The fury will be when the dems try to postpone seating Brown, should he win.
While I certainly see where the trend is going, it is not wise to count all of your chickens before they hatch.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:31am |
re: #171 SixDegrees
As I understand it, "gray" material simply refers to material that has not been peer reviewed. Nothing more nor less.
not in this case.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:31am |
re: #171 SixDegrees
As I understand it, "gray" material simply refers to material that has not been peer reviewed. Nothing more nor less.
there will need to be a Grey Matter Investigation to get this sorted out, obviously
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:36am |
re: #166 Dragon_Lady
What a real bummer way to go! Must be all the junk food they serve on set.
MALE LIZARDS, GET YOUR CHECK-UP!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:41am |
re: #167 CapeCoddah
The fury will be when the dems try to postpone seating Brown, should he win.
no shame at all...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:04am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:08am |
re: #160 MandyManners
How many people are named "Carl" v. how many are named "Vinson"?
In that country? Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm betting not many. I'm sure there will be many babies over there named both in the next few years..Or variants of it.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:25am |
re: #171 SixDegrees
As I understand it, "gray" material simply refers to material that has not been peer reviewed.
Its a polite way to refer to BS.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:30am |
re: #175 albusteve
there will need to be a Grey Matter Investigation to get this sorted out, obviously
Hey, now, we don't need to involve the Greys, do we???
/:)
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:57am |
Good morning all. Been raining here for half hour now. I love every drop. Doesn't happen nearly often enough. Let's see, maybe I'll go to Walmart just to see the wipers work. Thinkin' about it...
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:25:05am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:25:58am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:23am |
re: #179 Dragon_Lady
In that country? Your guess is as good as mine, but I'm betting not many. I'm sure there will be many babies over there named both in the next few years..Or variants of it.
I wonder what kind of name "Vinson" is. Northern European? Does it mean "son of Vin"?
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:36am |
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:42am |
re: #168 MandyManners
Can an estate share custody of a child? Who will share decision-making?
Things get fuzzy in a hurry in such cases. But I assume the simplest explanation would be that having Hopper granted custody means that, when he dies, his wife is deprived of the legal argument that she required more of the estate because she's the surviving custodian. What would happen is the estate would dole out funds, under some sort of supervision, for the child's well-being until they hit 18, even if mom obtains physical custody again after Hopper's death.
As with many family legal squabbles, the intent may also be simply to cause as much grief from beyond the grave as possible.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:58am |
re: #184 Dragon_Lady
LOL! Ouch! Glad I'm a girl...
Hey! Y'all get to experience things I'm glad I'll never have to!
/silver lining. :)
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:27:13am |
re: #182 Semper Fi
Good morning all. Been raining here for half hour now. I love every drop. Doesn't happen nearly often enough. Let's see, maybe I'll go to Walmart just to see the wipers work. Thinkin' about it...
Good Morning and Happy MLK day to you! We've had rain all night and all morning here. A very wet and drippy Monday to be sure.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:27:24am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:08am |
re: #187 SixDegrees
Things get fuzzy in a hurry in such cases. But I assume the simplest explanation would be that having Hopper granted custody means that, when he dies, his wife is deprived of the legal argument that she required more of the estate because she's the surviving custodian. What would happen is the estate would dole out funds, under some sort of supervision, for the child's well-being until they hit 18, even if mom obtains physical custody again after Hopper's death.
As with many family legal squabbles, the intent may also be simply to cause as much grief from beyond the grave as possible.
The wife can also argue that he was not in his right mind during this.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:12am |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Not doing that... but I am here. I see what is happening right in front of my nose. It is awesome to see my state finally get it.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:19am |
re: #189 MandyManners
I think I've made a few uncomfortable.
Thats for sure, I can hear the seat squirming from hear!
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:20am |
Butt, I don't want to. Who cares what you think, it needs to be done.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:44am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:03am |
re: #195 filetandrelease
Butt, I don't want to. Who cares what you think, it needs to be done.
Oh, the tails that could be told!
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:46am |
Is it "grey data" when I say the Jets will win the Super Bowl? nope. Its an opinion.
And when someone spouts their own unscientific opinion on a scientific topic, it doesn't make it "grey data". Its still just an opinion. Certainly not something a sceintific journal would cite as "data" of any color.
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:52am |
re: #190 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy MLK day to you! We've had rain all night and all morning here. A very wet and drippy Monday to be sure.
Wet and drippy days are so nice, thank you. Hope your day is as good as you sound, happy.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:58am |
re: #191 SixDegrees
What is the case, in this case, then?
"Grey" suggest un reviewed scientific research, in this case it was mere speculation, there was no research.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:32am |
re: #190 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy MLK day to you! We've had rain all night and all morning here. A very wet and drippy Monday to be sure.
The Daily Mail has declared this to be "Blue Monday, the Most Miserable Day of the Year..."
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:33am |
re: #192 MandyManners
The wife can also argue that he was not in his right mind during this.
Sure. Hard to say if that would be successful, though. His attorneys, if they're doing their job, have probably already had him undergo psychiatric examinations and have proof, in writing, of his soundness of mind.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:46am |
re: #188 Varek Raith
Hey! Y'all get to experience things I'm glad I'll never have to!
/silver lining. :)
You just had to remind me didn't you?
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:00am |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:23am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:38am |
re: #200 Semper Fi
Wet and drippy days are so nice, thank you. Hope your day is as good as you sound, happy.
Thank you kind sir! And right back at you!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:51am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:32:38am |
re: #203 SixDegrees
Sure. Hard to say if that would be successful, though. His attorneys, if they're doing their job, have probably already had him undergo psychiatric examinations and have proof, in writing, of his soundness of mind.
Is this really in the best interest of his child?
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Baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:33:06am |
re: #206 brookly red
Butt to what end?
I'd get behind a pun cascade, but my creativity is blocked up.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:33:36am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Is this really in the best interest of his child?
Since when has that ever mattered to a couple that is hell-bent on destroying their marriage?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:33:55am |
re: #202 brookly red
The Daily Mail has declared this to be "Blue Monday, the Most Miserable Day of the Year..."
Nah, rain is a good thing! That is as long as you don't live below or above a hillside that is! My miniature roses and ficus trees are lovin' it! But my cat sure ain't, that's for sure!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:34:28am |
Good thing I'm loopy right now. Otherwise, a lot of bad puns would have to be downdinged. ;)
/
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:34:35am |
re: #211 thedopefishlives
Since when has that ever mattered to a couple that is hell-bent on destroying their marriage?
Unfortunately, you're statement is so true..
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:34:41am |
you gotta read this from Mass....too funny
[Link: bluemassgroup.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:35:04am |
re: #211 thedopefishlives
Since when has that ever mattered to a couple that is hell-bent on destroying their marriage?
It should matter to the court.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:35:22am |
re: #205 bloodnok
State Sen. Scott Brown (R-Wrentham) and Attorney General Martha Coakley began their last full day of campaigning at the annual event, which is sponorsed the United Union Methodist Church and St. Cyprian’s Episcopal Church...
Coakley was invited by event organizers to speak at the Hynes Convention Center breakfast. Brown sat in the crowd with supporters. He said he was not invited to speak.
Its perfectly acceptable for Dem candidates to stump at events sponsored by religious groups. But whenever a GOP candidate does, he/she is only pandering to zealots and religious kooks. Just thought I would clear that up for you..
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:35:31am |
re: #210 Baier
I'd get behind a pun cascade, but my creativity is blocked up.
well then just tag along and bring up the rear...
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:35:42am |
re: #205 bloodnok
She was invited to speak as AG, she spewed a stump speech. Her numbers are dropping every time she opens her mouth. Especially with all of the revelations of her treatment of the Amirualt case and the cop who raped a baby she refused to indict or prosecute. The FBI having to do her job cleaning up openly corrupt pols is not helping either, then there is the fact that she is just plain not likable. Snarling that she should ""Do what? stand out in the cold shaking hands"?
has not helped... referring to Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan may have killed any hope she had.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:36:51am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Is this really in the best interest of his child?
Since when do celebs care about whats in the best interest for their kids? Its a cat fight every time one of them gets a divorce and the poor littles get caught in the middle every time.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:02am |
re: #216 MandyManners
It should matter to the court.
SHOULD being the operative word. Sadly, it doesn't always matter there, either. The children are always the ones left high and dry.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:08am |
re: #201 filetandrelease
"Grey" suggest un reviewed scientific research, in this case it was mere speculation, there was no research.
I stand by my original statement, which offers an enormous spectrum of possibilities.
I haven't read the IPCC report in question. Is it heavily footnoted and annotated? If so, it should be possible to trace nearly every statement and conclusion in it to some source or another, which should be available in the reference section. Then it would be a simple matter to ensure that the statements made are backed up by reputable work.
If not, I'd give it about as much weight as I would any similar work - an editorial, say.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:21am |
re: #219 CapeCoddah
She was invited to speak as AG, she spewed a stump speech. Her numbers are dropping every time she opens her mouth. Especially with all of the revelations of her treatment of the Amirualt case and the cop who raped a baby she refused to indict or prosecute. The FBI having to do her job cleaning up openly corrupt pols is not helping either, then there is the fact that she is just plain not likable. Snarling that she should ""Do what? stand out in the cold shaking hands"?
has not helped... referring to Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan may have killed any hope she had.
I hope the people of Massachusettes do the right thing.
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Baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:42am |
re: #218 brookly red
well then just tag along and bring up the rear...
I'd rather not...let's wipe the slate clean.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:38:10am |
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:38:16am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Is this really in the best interest of his child?
Hell, no. I doubt it has anything to do with his child's welfare. Sounds to me like it's all about issues between him and his wife.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:38:23am |
re: #219 CapeCoddah
referring to Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan may have killed any hope she had.
a Republican would have been hung for that...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:13am |
re: #226 SixDegrees
Hell, no. I doubt it has anything to do with his child's welfare. Sounds to me like it's all about issues between him and his wife.
And since he's the one trying to jam up the works, I'd rule against him.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:13am |
re: #220 Dragon_Lady
Since when do celebs care about whats in the best interest for their kids?
To many Hollywood celebs, their children are just props for a photo op. Its a foreign concept to think anyone could be more important tham themselves.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:51am |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:39am |
re: #229 Mich-again
To many Hollywood celebs, their children are just props for a photo op. Its a foreign concept to think anyone could be more important tham themselves.
who's the famous actress who lives in Taos?....she's highly respected, a real family gal
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:02am |
Lets start a movement to end these puns.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:34am |
re: #228 MandyManners
And since he's the one trying to jam up the works, I'd rule against him.
Tough call. No matter which way things shake out, the kid's going to wind up with a pile of dough devoted to his care. The question is really over who gets control over that dough, and maybe over the size of the pile. Either way, though, it's going to be more than sufficient to see to the kid's needs, plus a couple orders of magnitude more than that.
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:45:02am |
re: #215 albusteve
you gotta read this from Mass...too funny
[Link: bluemassgroup.com...]
Very good indeed. Thanks
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:45:24am |
re: #223 MandyManners
I hope the people of Massachusettes do the right thing.
LOL, folks here are a lot angrier that she was willing to let a cop rape a 3 y/o baby with a hot curling iron, then let the cop walk because his daddy was a union supporter of hers.. it took the baby's family's attorney to file charges himself. Martha ASKED the first grand jury NOT to indict, then after Attny. Frisoli filed charges for the family, Marcia, as Patrick Kennedy referred to her as all day yesterday w/ the president, convened a new grand Jury and voila! an indictment. Gerry Leone, who took over as DA for Martha got 2 life sentences. Bastard rapist is now a guest of my father in maximum security.
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bloodnok Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:45:32am |
re: #219 CapeCoddah
She was invited to speak as AG, she spewed a stump speech. Her numbers are dropping every time she opens her mouth. Especially with all of the revelations of her treatment of the Amirualt case and the cop who raped a baby she refused to indict or prosecute. The FBI having to do her job cleaning up openly corrupt pols is not helping either, then there is the fact that she is just plain not likable. Snarling that she should ""Do what? stand out in the cold shaking hands"?
has not helped... referring to Curt Schilling as a Yankee fan may have killed any hope she had.
I completely agree. He has completely overtaken her. I think the 4-5 point estimates are low. There is a buzz about him even in non Republican circles. Everywhere you go he is the topic of conversation -much more so than when Romney or Weld won the governorship as Rs. I have yet to see a single Coakley sign while Brown signs are everywhere. I don't think that she or the Dem committee thought that massive yard sign coverage would even be necessary.
She will get the usual support from unions and moonbats, but with the lead he has among Independents I think he is looking quite good.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:45:37am |
re: #233 filetandrelease
Lets start a movement to end these puns.
But punnishment is good for the soul!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:46:09am |
re: #234 SixDegrees
Tough call. No matter which way things shake out, the kid's going to wind up with a pile of dough devoted to his care. The question is really over who gets control over that dough, and maybe over the size of the pile. Either way, though, it's going to be more than sufficient to see to the kid's needs, plus a couple orders of magnitude more than that.
The children of rich folks have all kinds of needs.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:46:41am |
re: #236 CapeCoddah
LOL, folks here are a lot angrier that she was willing to let a cop rape a 3 y/o baby with a hot curling iron, then let the cop walk because his daddy was a union supporter of hers.. it took the baby's family's attorney to file charges himself. Martha ASKED the first grand jury NOT to indict, then after Attny. Frisoli filed charges for the family, Marcia, as Patrick Kennedy referred to her as all day yesterday w/ the president, convened a new grand Jury and voila! an indictment. Gerry Leone, who took over as DA for Martha got 2 life sentences. Bastard rapist is now a guest of my father in maximum security.
I didn't know about his father's connections.
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charlesincharge Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:47:45am |
re: #199 Mich-again
Is it "grey data" when I say the Jets will win the Super Bowl? nope. Its an opinion.
And when someone spouts their own unscientific opinion on a scientific topic, it doesn't make it "grey data". Its still just an opinion. Certainly not something a sceintific journal would cite as "data" of any color.
C'mon Mich. Don't be a denier! The science is settled.The Jets will win the Super Bowl.
// jk don't really care
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:47:59am |
re: #237 bloodnok
I completely agree. He has completely overtaken her. I think the 4-5 point estimates are low. There is a buzz about him even in non Republican circles. Everywhere you go he is the topic of conversation -much more so than when Romney or Weld won the governorship as Rs. I have yet to see a single Coakley sign while Brown signs are everywhere. I don't think that she or the Dem committee thought that massive yard sign coverage would even be necessary.
She will get the usual support from unions and moonbats, but with the lead he has among Independents I think he is looking quite good.
as the worm turns...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:48:25am |
The question arises, therefore, how exactly will our elected officials represent us if they are afraid to meet us, to talk to us, to exchange ideas with us honestly and freely? Perhaps they won’t, and perhaps they don’t care. That is the scary conclusion that many of us have reached as we watched Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi use parliamentary tricks, bribery and secrecy to impose nationalized health care on a nation that just doesn’t want it.
And that means our very republic is at stake.
from Montana...they get it and are getting pissy up there...the will of the people and all that
[Link: www.dailyinterlake.com...]
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:48:58am |
re: #239 MandyManners
The children of rich folks have all kinds of needs.
Yeah, Gucci, Prada, Maserati, just to name a few...
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:49:35am |
re: #239 MandyManners
The children of rich folks have all kinds of needs.
Like I said earlier, there's more than enough dough either way to minister to the kid's physical needs. And mom's still going to be in the picture for emotional support. The only thing this clause seems to do is deprive the wife of direct control over the kid's portion of the money.
Maybe there's a good reason for that. I know nothing about either one of the principles, personally.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:50:15am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:50:27am |
re: #244 Dragon_Lady
Yeah, Gucci, Prada, Maserati, just to name a few...
And this poor kid will probably need a shrink to help her get through this shit.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:53:01am |
re: #240 MandyManners
I didn't know about his father's connections.
Well, then there is the obverse of the sex abuse issue... she was part of railroading the Aimeraults, 3 people who were completely innocent. For those unfarmiliar with the case.. just google "Fells Acres"
The after it was well known they were innocent, Martha tried like hell to keep them in jail, and succeeded with one. The real criminal in that prosecution, that witch hunt, was L. Scott Harshbarger.. The ACORN investigator. He is as slimy as they come. I had to laugh long and hard when I saw who ACORN chose to "Investigate" themselves... with that choice of "Investigator" any Massachusetts resident could have told you the outcome long before he released it. He is owned by that crowd, always has been.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:53:29am |
re: #247 MandyManners
And this poor kid will probably need a shrink to help her get through this shit.
Your right, my bad. I do feel sorry for them to a certain extent. I just couldn't resist the joke. Most folks with money have even fewer real friends to help them get through something like this. I'm glad I'm not cash rich and friends poor. So sad...
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:53:50am |
re: #240 MandyManners
Yeah, his father was a union bigwig.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:55:01am |
re: #246 filetandrelease
Ok, you got me, that line is just wrong!
I couldn't resist! RWC and I love puns, and we often go out of our way to come up with them.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:56:12am |
re: #248 CapeCoddah
Well, then there is the obverse of the sex abuse issue... she was part of railroading the Aimeraults, 3 people who were completely innocent. For those unfarmiliar with the case.. just google "Fells Acres"
The after it was well known they were innocent, Martha tried like hell to keep them in jail, and succeeded with one. The real criminal in that prosecution, that witch hunt, was L. Scott Harshbarger.. The ACORN investigator. He is as slimy as they come. I had to laugh long and hard when I saw who ACORN chose to "Investigate" themselves... with that choice of "Investigator" any Massachusetts resident could have told you the outcome long before he released it. He is owned by that crowd, always has been.
ACORN's involved in that?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:56:46am |
re: #249 Dragon_Lady
Your right, my bad. I do feel sorry for them to a certain extent. I just couldn't resist the joke. Most folks with money have even fewer real friends to help them get through something like this. I'm glad I'm not cash rich and friends poor. So sad...
Joking helps get us through the day.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:56:59am |
re: #242 brookly red
as the worm turns...
There are a LOT of registered democrats on the Globe and Heralds websites saying they are voting for Brown. Lots of shit stirrers showed up on those boards 2 days ago also... lots of new names, saying horrific things about Brown. Paid Coakley imports.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:58:38am |
re: #254 CapeCoddah
There are a LOT of registered democrats on the Globe and Heralds websites saying they are voting for Brown. Lots of shit stirrers showed up on those boards 2 days ago also... lots of new names, saying horrific things about Brown. Paid Coakley imports.
/so the Crown is sending mercenaries to Boston again?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:59:04am |
re: #243 albusteve
from Montana...they get it and are getting pissy up there...the will of the people and all that
Yeah, democracy is such a drag.
/
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:00:00am |
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:01:04am |
re: #250 CapeCoddah
Yeah, his father was a union bigwig.
After working my entire career around unions, I am convinced the number 1 function of the union is to keep people with union connections out of trouble with the boss or with the law. The 98% of the rank and file who think their union dues are intended to promote better wages and working conditions are wrong.
The first plant I worked at had a union president named Richard Debs who was a felon who had a history of stealing cars, impersonating police officers a and even giving sexual favors to men at an I-275 rest stop. But the rank and file kept voting him in because they knew if their kid ever got in trouble with the law, Debs could fix things with the local judges.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:01:17am |
re: #252 MandyManners
NO, ACORN had no involvment in that case at all, Dont think they even existed yet in the 80"s.
L.Scott Harshbarger was our AG, he preceeded Tom Reilly, who preceeded Martha.. He initiated the false prosecution of the Fells Acres Case. Those innocents went to prison so Harshbarger could score points.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:02:16am |
re: #260 CapeCoddah
NO, ACORN had no involvment in that case at all, Dont think they even existed yet in the 80"s.
L.Scott Harshbarger was our AG, he preceeded Tom Reilly, who preceeded Martha.. He initiated the false prosecution of the Fells Acres Case. Those innocents went to prison so Harshbarger could score points.
Harshbarger investigated ACORN?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:03:31am |
Just looked out the window and the wind is really kicking up! Must be the next installment of rain coming in. Glad I move my littlest plants to shelter or they'd be all over the place by now!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:04:18am |
re: #255 brookly red
/so the Crown is sending mercenaries to Boston again?
Shocka, Huh? Most folks at Obamas speech yesterday were imports. Some students.. this from a younger cousin of mine who was there. Oh, and after the rally, union members went around and gathered all the Coakley signs form those holding them...paid sign holders. You can't get a Brown sign... they are gone within minutes of a delivery.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:05:16am |
re: #262 Dragon_Lady
Just looked out the window and the wind is really kicking up! Must be the next installment of rain coming in. Glad I move my littlest plants to shelter or they'd be all over the place by now!
I like dark, dreary days.
:)
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:06:15am |
Bored, or just want a vicarious escape from the cold? This' ll do the trick: just click anywhere on the map.
[Link: www.californiacoastline.org...]
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:06:16am |
re: #261 MandyManners
Harshbarger investigated ACORN?
Yes Ma'am. Charles posted a story on the report, IIRC. I never bothered to read it, I knew what it would say when they announced who they had hired to conduct the "Investigation" It was a joke.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:06:20am |
re: #264 Varek Raith
I like dark, dreary days.
You'd love it here. When the sun shines people call the police station to report a UFO.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:06:59am |
re: #267 Mich-again
You'd love it here. When the sun shines people call the police station to report a UFO.
Heh.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:07:13am |
re: #253 MandyManners
Joking helps get us through the day.
Yeah, especially with whats going on in Haiti right now, I'd rather joke than cry. I've had to stop watching the news for now, its too sad and it makes me want to cry. I feel so helpless seeing all the pain and despair on those faces, I wish I could do more than already have. I hurt for them.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:08:30am |
re: #264 Varek Raith
I like dark, dreary days.
:)
We'll were in for at least four more dark and dreary days ahead. Thank God for Celebrex!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:08:57am |
re: #263 CapeCoddah
Shocka, Huh? Most folks at Obamas speech yesterday were imports. Some students.. this from a younger cousin of mine who was there. Oh, and after the rally, union members went around and gathered all the Coakley signs form those holding them...paid sign holders. You can't get a Brown sign... they are gone within minutes of a delivery.
I don't think that many people realize just how common this kind of thing is...
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Bear Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:09:07am |
Had a trace of rain over night but none since 8 AM. I doubt there was and will be enough to bring out a good showing of desert flowers though.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:09:46am |
re: #271 brookly red
They have never HAD to do it here. It is not going over well at all. With ANY demographic.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:10:41am |
re: #272 Bear
Had a trace of rain over night but none since 8 AM. I doubt there was and will be enough to bring out a good showing of desert flowers though.
I love the desert... Especially in the spring!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:11:08am |
re: #273 CapeCoddah
They have never HAD to do it here. It is not going over well at all. With ANY demographic.
glad to hear it...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:11:19am |
re: #266 CapeCoddah
Yes Ma'am. Charles posted a story on the report, IIRC. I never bothered to read it, I knew what it would say when they announced who they had hired to conduct the "Investigation" It was a joke.
Remember what happened when Rathke embezzled $600,000.00?
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tradewind Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:11:42am |
re: #157 CapeCoddah
That seat will be republican in roughly 36 hours.
....... from your lips, er, keyboard.
But not if Ed Schulz is successful in unleashing the flying monkeys...
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:13:09am |
re: #277 tradewind
... from your lips, er, keyboard.
But not if Ed Schulz is successful in unleashing the flying monkeys...
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
Amen!
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:15:31am |
re: #265 tradewind
Bored, or just want a vicarious escape from the cold? This' ll do the trick: just click anywhere on the map.
[Link: www.californiacoastline.org...]
Didn't Barbra Streisand sue them to keep her Malibu mansion out of their database?
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:16:22am |
re: #265 tradewind
Bored, or just want a vicarious escape from the cold? This' ll do the trick: just click anywhere on the map.
[Link: www.californiacoastline.org...]
Cool!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:16:30am |
re: #281 Alouette
Didn't Barbra Streisand sue them to keep her Malibu mansion out of their database?
I don't remember if she did or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if she had.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:01am |
re: #275 brookly red
glad to hear it...
Well, Mandy is from the mountains...she knows her people. I am a Yankee, born and bred, I know my people too, and I predicted that when the Chicago machine hit here, it would not mix well at all with Yankee pride and stubbornness... and I was dead on.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:20:09am |
re: #278 CapeCoddah
The groups, Acorn, one of the country’s largest community organizing groups, and the Points of Light Institute, which works to encourage civic activism and volunteering, have dealt with the problems in very different ways.
Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board. After Points of Light noticed financial irregularities in early June, it took less than a month for management to alert federal prosecutors, although group officials say they have no clear idea yet what the financial impact may be.
A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.
The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement.
Dale Rathke remained on Acorn’s payroll until a month ago, when disclosure of his theft by foundations and other donors forced the organization to dismiss him.
SNIP
The executive director of New York Acorn, Bertha Lewis, who has been named director of an interim management committee set up to run the national group’s day-to-day operations, said Dale Rathke was paid about $38,000 a year but that none of that money was used to pay back Acorn.
Instead, she said, the Rathke family has paid Acorn $30,000 a year in restitution since 2001, or a total of $210,000.
SNIP
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:21:11am |
re: #284 CapeCoddah
Well, Mandy is from the mountains...she knows her people. I am a Yankee, born and bred, I know my people too, and I predicted that when the Chicago machine hit here, it would not mix well at all with Yankee pride and stubbornness... and I was dead on.
cool...
someday I will tell about the time I rode the "Down Easter" into North Station on a game day and forgot I was wearing my Yankees ball cap...
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:22:56am |
re: #249 Dragon_Lady
Your right, my bad. I do feel sorry for them to a certain extent. I just couldn't resist the joke. Most folks with money have even fewer real friends to help them get through something like this. I'm glad I'm not cash rich and friends poor. So sad...
"There's nothing more pathetic than an old person without money."
- old person track on Bookends by Simon & Garfunkel
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:25:17am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I wonder what kind of name "Vinson" is. Northern European? Does it mean "son of Vin"?
Acording to 'thinkbabynames.com', it's from 'son of Vincent'.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:25:55am |
For those interested, I found this link on Slate. It's a discussion of the conclusions John Yoo came to in his book. Rosen does a good job of disagreeing but I'm much more convinced by Yoo's reasoning. The video is almost 90 mins long:
[Link: www.aei.org...]
At this event, Yoo will discuss Crisis and Command: A History of Executive Power from George Washington to George W. Bush. AEI resident scholar and government expert Norman J. Ornstein, and Jeffrey Rosen, professor of law at George Washington University and legal affairs editor of The New Republic, will continue the debate on executive power. Constitutional law expert Terry Eastland of The Weekly Standard will moderate.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:25:56am |
re: #143 Obdicut
Sorry, Walter, what shouldn't be forgotten about that, in terms of understanding that AGW is very real? I'm not understanding your point.
Yawn. Go ahead and play dumb, it doesn't reflect on me.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:30:20am |
re: #288 Spare O'Lake
"There's nothing more pathetic than an old person without money."
- old person track on Bookends by Simon & Garfunkel
I guess the way to go is with enough dough to be comfortable and enough friends to be loved. I hope I have both.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:31:14am |
re: #291 Walter L. Newton
Can you explain how I'm playing dumb, Walter? That person stated that they were unconvinced about AGW. I referenced them to Charle's posts on AGW, which should help convince them of the reality of AGW.
I'm wondering why you think looking at the article about the Himalayas melting mistake is useful in understanding that AGW is real. Can you explain?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:31:57am |
BTW, Martha Coakley's political speech at the MLK breakfast this morning, where she was invited to speak as AG, by a not-for-profit church organization was a direct violation of state and federal campaign finance laws.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:32:55am |
And now comes the down pour! Gotta go look!
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celticdragon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:32:57am |
Since we are doing an open thread, thought I would point out some real nastiness this morning on the subject of torture and the three "suicides" at Gitmo back in 2006 that were called "asymetric warfare" against the United States. (Uh, yeah....)
This was (witness Army sergeant and sally port guard)Hickman's memory of the frantic scene after the alleged suicides:
He asked a distraught medical corpsman what had happened. She said three dead prisoners had been delivered to the clinic. Hickman recalled her saying that they had died because they had rags stuffed down their throats, and that one of them was severely bruised. Davila told me he spoke to Navy guards who said the men had died as the result of having rags stuffed down their throats.
But what really takes you into the realm of totalitarian states is the chilling fact that the bodies were returned to their families in pieces. One part of each body that had been removed was the neck:
The pathologists place the time of death “at least a couple of hours” before the bodies were discovered, which would be sometime before 10:30 p.m. on June 9. Additionally, the autopsy of Al-Salami states that his hyoid bone was broken, a phenomenon usually associated with manual strangulation, not hanging.
The report asserts that the hyoid was broken “during the removal of the neck organs.” An odd admission, given that these are the very body parts—the larynx, the hyoid bone, and the thyroid cartilage—that would have been essential to determining whether death occurred from hanging, from strangulation, or from choking. These parts remained missing when the men’s families finally received their bodies.
Sgt Hickman describes how a van called "The Paddy Wagon" with a dog cage inside would take prisoners one at a time to "Camp No" outside the main perimeter. The code for prisoner in the dog cage was "I have a pizza delivery". No log mentions were ever made.
Read the whole thing from Scott Horton here:
[Link: www.harpers.org...]
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:35:27am |
re: #294 CapeCoddah
BTW, Martha Coakley's political speech at the MLK breakfast this morning, where she was invited to speak as AG, by a not-for-profit church organization was a direct violation of state and federal campaign finance laws.
What's the punishment?
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:35:43am |
re: #294 CapeCoddah
BTW, Martha Coakley's political speech at the MLK breakfast this morning, where she was invited to speak as AG, by a not-for-profit church organization was a direct violation of state and federal campaign finance laws.
To politicians, Rule #1 is that rules are for other people.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:35:58am |
re: #285 MandyManners
SNIP
Funny how the NYT treats both groups equally in the story, yet ACORN reacted quite differently to an employee embezzling nearly a million dollars, while POL simply noticed "irregularities" in accounting.
No one wants to criticize ACORN. Not sure why that is (/).
What a crock of shit.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:14am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:28am |
re: #293 Obdicut
Can you explain how I'm playing dumb, Walter? That person stated that they were unconvinced about AGW. I referenced them to Charle's posts on AGW, which should help convince them of the reality of AGW.
I'm wondering why you think looking at the article about the Himalayas melting mistake is useful in understanding that AGW is real. Can you explain?
My points have been made over the last 24 hours, it has been discussed honestly pro and con on multiple threads since yesterday and you have been here for the discussions, and part of the discussions. And then you jump in here this morning and act as if you have no idea what my position is on these Himalayan glacier articles.
Either you are being dishonest or stupid. I'm done discussing this with you. You can bother someone else.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:30am |
re: #294 CapeCoddah
BTW, Martha Coakley's political speech at the MLK breakfast this morning, where she was invited to speak as AG, by a not-for-profit church organization was a direct violation of state and federal campaign finance laws.
C'Mon
It can't be
She's the Dem in the race
Dems never violate campaign finance laws, and even if/when they do, all they have to do is say 'sorry" and the matter is over!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:58am |
re: #297 ethics
Not sure,, we would have to complain to the AG's office...
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:37:19am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:37:44am |
re: #297 ethics
What's the punishment?
She mutter a vague apology, say the magic words "I just want to preserve TED KENNEDYS seat in the Senate" and all is forgiven!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:37:57am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:06am |
re: #299 Racer X
I have no problem seeing ACORN for what they are.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:41am |
Wow, we is getting soaked! My Maine Coon Cat was crying to get out, that is until I opened the door to let her! Ha! Not happening! Now she's just howling out her unhappiness at all the water. If looks could kill! I swear shes blaming me for the rain! Lucky me.....
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:39:07am |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I know what your opinion is on the Himalayan glaciers error, sure. I'm just confused why you think, for someone who's doubting AGW's reality, reading Charles's posts on the subject is insufficient, and they need to read that article as well.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:39:13am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:40:45am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:41:11am |
re: #307 Walter L. Newton
Did she forget to pay her taxes?
Um, now that you mention it, she "Forgot" about a 200K account when she filed financials.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:41:28am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:02am |
re: #310 Dragon_Lady
Wow, we is getting soaked! My Maine Coon Cat was crying to get out, that is until I opened the door to let her! Ha! Not happening! Now she's just howling out her unhappiness at all the water. If looks could kill! I swear shes blaming me for the rain! Lucky me...
Why aren't you out there with an umbrella for her?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:14am |
re: #315 brookly red
come on the AG should know better...
Not denying that. I just get bored with the 'Oh, DEMOCRATS can get away with XYZ.'
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:15am |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow. The skies are just OPENING.
Same here! I think our pool's gonna overflow again!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:23am |
re: #314 CapeCoddah
Um, now that you mention it, she "Forgot" about a 200K account when she filed financials.
Huh?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:28am |
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:59am |
re: #311 Obdicut
Walter, I know what your opinion is on the Himalayan glaciers error, sure. I'm just confused why you think, for someone who's doubting AGW's reality, reading Charles's posts on the subject is insufficient, and they need to read that article as well.
One of his points (and he can curse me all he wants ;) is the peer-reviews. You've stated numerous times that you can get serious science done without them. His (and I guess mine) point is that it's double standards.
When met with non-peer-reviews questioning the science of GW, those who are proponents of GW are saying you need it. Now when there's some serious questions on a major source, it's fine.
See how that works? See why it's frustrating arguing this issue? If everyone actually cared about science you wouldn't have such a wide gap in understanding.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:02am |
re: #299 Racer X
Funny how the NYT treats both groups equally in the story, yet ACORN reacted quite differently to an employee embezzling nearly a million dollars, while POL simply noticed "irregularities" in accounting.
No one wants to criticize ACORN. Not sure why that is (/).
What a crock of shit.
I thought the NYT did a pretty good job looking at ACORN.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:14am |
re: #314 CapeCoddah
Um, now that you mention it, she "Forgot" about a 200K account when she filed financials.
200k? wow, civil servants must get paid well in Mass. huh?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:23am |
re: #321 sattv4u2
Another hole in the ozone layer!?!?!
We were gonna go grocery shopping today. I think that's going to get put off.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:26am |
re: #308 CapeCoddah
I have no problem seeing ACORN for what they are.
ACORN is the epitome of the Democratic party. They have great intentions, and in fact they do many good things. But they often screw things up royally while not accomplishing much in the long run. And when they do screw up they will not admit it. They will not apologize or be held accountable.
* In general.
* IMHO
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:59am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Why aren't you out there with an umbrella for her?
The wind is blowing it right at me, sorry I love her to pieces but there's a limit to what I'm gonna put up with! Getting soaked is not among my favorite things...
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:44:33am |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
Not denying that. I just get bored with the 'Oh, DEMOCRATS can get away with XYZ.'
well didn't she just?
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:44:54am |
re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey SFZ, I wanted to ask you, have you heard of Father Patrick Desbois? He's a French priest who has been going into Ukrainian villages and discovering mass graves from the Holocaust all over the country. If I read it right, he's discovered some 700 camps not previously reported. He says the number of the 6 million is much higher (not that we would be surprised).
Anyway, he was supposed to be going into Belarus I think this month. Does your friend Judy know anything about him? My mother got an email address for him from the Red Cross, but she hasn't heard anything back. That was a couple months ago. I thought you might be interested also.
I don't know if they're cataloging or doing DNA tests from the gravesites. I'm hoping that they will anyway. We'd like to find out about my grandmother's family.
Here's the English site. I wanted to share it with you and anyone else, of course, who may be searching for family in this area.
[Link: www.holocaustbybullets.com...]
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:01am |
re: #326 MandyManners
It's sunny and 62 here.
Rub it in, go ahead! Just remember what the say about payback... :-)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:36am |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
Not denying that. I just get bored with the 'Oh, DEMOCRATS can get away with XYZ.'
Harry Reid makes a stereotype racist comment, no problem
Trent Lottt wishes a 100 year old man Happy Birthday and he's run out as majority leader
just sayin!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:55am |
re: #331 brookly red
well didn't she just?
Obviously, no Republican has ever gotten away with anything.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:53am |
re: #327 Racer X
They have great intentions, and in fact they do many good things. But they often screw things up royally while not accomplishing much in the long run. And when they do screw up they will not admit it. They will not apologize or be held accountable.
I like the rationalizations that the offenses were made by the "low level employees working for low wages". Thats code and its a fine example of the racism of lowered expectations.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:53am |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
We were gonna go grocery shopping today. I think that's going to get put off.
I would if I was you... Did mine yesterday after I consulted the radar.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:59am |
re: #323 MandyManners
I thought the NYT did a pretty good job looking at ACORN.
It irks me they linked the two stories together. One was almost a non-issue. The other was blatant theft (almost a million dollars) that was covered up and never repaid. The embezzler was allowed to keep his job.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:47:21am |
re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist
Obviously, no Republican has ever gotten away with anything.
/lemmie think...
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:47:29am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Why aren't you out there with an umbrella for her?
My wife would do that for our last dobie who refused to go outside in the rain. She would actually go outside and hold an umbrella so the dog would do her business.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:47:38am |
re: #332 marjoriemoon
Hey SFZ, I wanted to ask you, have you heard of Father Patrick Desbois? He's a French priest who has been going into Ukrainian villages and discovering mass graves from the Holocaust all over the country. If I read it right, he's discovered some 700 camps not previously reported. He says the number of the 6 million is much higher (not that we would be surprised).
Anyway, he was supposed to be going into Belarus I think this month. Does your friend Judy know anything about him? My mother got an email address for him from the Red Cross, but she hasn't heard anything back. That was a couple months ago. I thought you might be interested also.
I don't know if they're cataloging or doing DNA tests from the gravesites. I'm hoping that they will anyway. We'd like to find out about my grandmother's family.
Here's the English site. I wanted to share it with you and anyone else, of course, who may be searching for family in this area.
[Link: www.holocaustbybullets.com...]
I've never heard of him, but will check it out. The Shoah as it happened in Soviet territory is still very much a vague area, so I'm kind of amazed and excited to hear that someone is working on it.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:47:59am |
re: #322 ethics
When met with non-peer-reviews questioning the science of GW, those who are proponents of GW are saying you need it. Now when there's some serious questions on a major source, it's fine.
The point is that there are almost zero peer-reviewed sources that contest AGW, with zillions that support it.
That doesn't mean that this glacial melt prediction isn't an error, or shouldn't have been included. It definitely shouldn't have, and it's doubtful that such a specific conclusion would have passed peer-review. Nobody is saying that it's okay to include errors, or that peer-reviewed science isn't necessary in Western science. However, since there is a wealth of peer-reviewed scientific information about the melting of glaciers, it's a little confusing why people think this error is significant. It doesn't alter the state of the science at all.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:48:10am |
re: #311 Obdicut
Walter, I know what your opinion is on the Himalayan glaciers error, sure. I'm just confused why you think, for someone who's doubting AGW's reality, reading Charles's posts on the subject is insufficient, and they need to read that article as well.
You see, you don't know shit do you. My problem with the Himalayan report is not the error, it's the process that produced that error. And it's evident that it's a process that is acceptable to the IPCC when they don't have better peer reviewed data.
I have never denied global warming. I am a firm believer that there is presently an increase in global warming.
My problems, as I have gone over and over here, now about this current revelation, and in the past, other issues, are all based on process, protocol, procedure and how it reflects on the scientific evidence.
Like I said yesterday, you dishonestly talk around the point instead of too the point, in a dishonest attempt of trying to lump me into the bucket with the idiots who have no clue about global warming.
And it bothers you that I don't take your lame bait. Sorry Charlie (that was clever), but I don't deny global warming, but I do find that there is evidence that there is sloppy science going on. And to clarify, NOT ALL THE SCIENCE.
But questioning is the foundation of science, and as long as there is something to question, I will.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:49:02am |
re: #333 Dragon_Lady
Rub it in, go ahead! Just remember what the say about payback... :-)
It's a bitch?
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:49:16am |
re: #337 Mich-again
I like the rationalizations that the offenses were made by the "low level employees working for low wages". Thats code and its a fine example of the racism of lowered expectations.
Bingo.
No accountability.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:49:31am |
re: #335 sattv4u2
Harry Reid makes a stereotype racist comment, no problem
Trent Lottt wishes a 100 year old man Happy Birthday and he's run out as majority leaderjust sayin!
If you really see those two as parallel, you're mistaken, and your attempt to make what Lott said sound innocent is just silly.
But it's OK, I get it. No Republican has ever gotten away with anything, no Democrat has ever been called to account. You guys are the noble underdogs. Eternally.
Cookie?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:49:57am |
re: #339 Racer X
It irks me they linked the two stories together. One was almost a non-issue. The other was blatant theft (almost a million dollars) that was covered up and never repaid. The embezzler was allowed to keep his job.
I think the difference between the two was pretty stark.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:07am |
re: #341 RogueOne
My wife would do that for our last dobie who refused to go outside in the rain. She would actually go outside and hold an umbrella so the dog would do her business.
Well, I'd do if that was what she wanted to do, but all she has on her mind is to go out and play, explore and hunt rodents. Not my idea of fun.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:21am |
re: #341 RogueOne
My wife would do that for our last dobie who refused to go outside in the rain. She would actually go outside and hold an umbrella so the dog would do her business.
Beats mopping up pee.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:23am |
Speaking of pets and walks ,,, Einstein and McDuff are staring at me wioth their leashes in the mouths!!! re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist
If you really see those two as parallel, you're mistaken, and your attempt to make what Lott said sound innocent is just silly.
But it's OK, I get it. No Republican has ever gotten away with anything, no Democrat has ever been called to account. You guys are the noble underdogs. Eternally.
Cookie?
Swingandamiss
BOTH were dispicaple
ONE got punished
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:50am |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
I've never heard of him, but will check it out. The Shoah as it happened in Soviet territory is still very much a vague area, so I'm kind of amazed and excited to hear that someone is working on it.
Didn't mean to barge into the conversation :) but I just got off the phone with my mom and I was thinking about you. His story is amazing. The people in these villages tell him they've been waiting for 60 years for someone to come.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:54am |
re: #337 Mich-again
I like the rationalizations that the offenses were made by the "low level employees working for low wages". Thats code and its a fine example of the racism of lowered expectations.
Can't be said about the embezzlement.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:54am |
re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist
If you really see those two as parallel, you're mistaken, and your attempt to make what Lott said sound innocent is just silly.
But it's OK, I get it. No Republican has ever gotten away with anything, no Democrat has ever been called to account. You guys are the noble underdogs. Eternally.
Cookie?
Are you kidding me? A republican can't even tap his feet in a public restroom without getting arrested.//
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:19am |
re: #352 sattv4u2
Speaking of pets and walks ,,, Einstein and McDuff are staring at me wioth their leashes in the mouths!!!
Swingandamiss
BOTH were dispicaple
ONE got punished
And yet, you described the second one as an innocent birthday greeting. Cookie?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:23am |
re: #350 Dragon_Lady
Well, I'd do if that was what she wanted to do, but all she has on her mind is to go out and play, explore and hunt rodents. Not my idea of fun.
My folks would turn the furball out anyway. And once she realized her mistake, they'd let her into the garage, towel it off, and eventually it'd make its way into the house to spend a quiet day napping on the couch. what a life.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:24am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:28am |
re: #344 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how that post related to me recommending to the gentleman who didn't believe in AGW that he read what Charles has posted on it.
Like I said yesterday, you dishonestly talk around the point instead of too the point, in a dishonest attempt of trying to lump me into the bucket with the idiots who have no clue about global warming.
My point is that if ElBarto would like to educate himself on AGW, that he should read Charles's posts on the subject, and he will find himself edified. You jumped into that recommending that he read the article on the Himilayan glacier melt, and I'm saying that I don't think it's necessary to read that article in order to understand that AGW is happening. I don't think you even disagree with this, so I'm really uncertain as to why you're accusing me of such a wide panoply of misbehavior.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:31am |
re: #343 Obdicut
However, since there is a wealth of peer-reviewed scientific information about the melting of glaciers, it's a little confusing why people think this error is significant. It doesn't alter the state of the science at all.
A ridiculous claim was made and then propagated by the UN that the Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035. What science supports that claim?
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:00am |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
I've never heard of him, but will check it out. The Shoah as it happened in Soviet territory is still very much a vague area, so I'm kind of amazed and excited to hear that someone is working on it.
Amazing story of one man. I wasn't surprised or even curious about the fate of the Jews. Anyone who has lived in Ukraine, born and bred, would know what happened. I am sure Father Desbois will get specifics and details and that's just awesome. But what was curious for me was the man himself.
If there is a future I would like all religions to take, it's to make all people like Father Desbois. If you have the stomach for it, watch the multimedia pix. Even I, who has seen thousands, never seen some of them.
NYT write up back in 2007: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:09am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:32am |
re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist
And yet, you described the second one as an innocent birthday greeting. Cookie?
Because the lib apologists are describing what Reid said as "accurate political analysis"
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:34am |
re: #353 marjoriemoon
Didn't mean to barge into the conversation :) but I just got off the phone with my mom and I was thinking about you. His story is amazing. The people in these villages tell him they've been waiting for 60 years for someone to come.
It wouldn't have been the Soviets...God bless him, this is important work, and soon no one will be left who remembers those years.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:34am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:36am |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:38am |
re: #343 Obdicut
The point is that there are almost zero peer-reviewed sources that contest AGW, with zillions that support it.
That doesn't mean that this glacial melt prediction isn't an error, or shouldn't have been included. It definitely shouldn't have, and it's doubtful that such a specific conclusion would have passed peer-review. Nobody is saying that it's okay to include errors, or that peer-reviewed science isn't necessary in Western science. However, since there is a wealth of peer-reviewed scientific information about the melting of glaciers, it's a little confusing why people think this error is significant. It doesn't alter the state of the science at all.
You see, you still miss the point. If you read ALL the articles, going all the way back to the BBC article on Dec. 5th, 2009, you will see that there is a problem here in protocol. This is not just a matter of this one incident, it's a matter of how the IPCC treats data period. They admit that when they don't have peer reviewed data, they will consider using grey data, non peer reviewed sources, sources that may be even speculation.
That's not science, that politics, that's religion, that's finding a way to make your case no matter what, science be dammed.
And you full well know what my issue is with all this and you full well know what the head of the Himalaya report said about using this data.
Unless you never read the articles?
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:44am |
re: #265 tradewind
Bored, or just want a vicarious escape from the cold? This' ll do the trick: just click anywhere on the map.
[Link: www.californiacoastline.org...]
Thanks. That was so interesting to me.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:54:08am |
re: #366 Dragon_Lady
Hense the nickname Dickhead?
No ,, that was his actual name
Richard Head,,, Dick was a nickname!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:54:18am |
re: #360 Mich-again
A ridiculous claim was made and then propagated by the UN that the Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035. What science supports that claim?
I don't think that claim is supported. The claim that glaciers are, in general, experiencing high degrees of melting is strongly supported by science, though. Specific claims about when the Himalayan glaciers will melt being wrong doesn't affect the overall science of the melting of glaciers in general.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:54:36am |
re: #362 MandyManners
That's not what Dickhead said.
that is the highly insured guy who likes to jump out of airplanes, right?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:54:46am |
re: #359 Obdicut
I'm not sure how that post related to me recommending to the gentleman who didn't believe in AGW that he read what Charles has posted on it.
My point is that if ElBarto would like to educate himself on AGW, that he should read Charles's posts on the subject, and he will find himself edified. You jumped into that recommending that he read the article on the Himilayan glacier melt, and I'm saying that I don't think it's necessary to read that article in order to understand that AGW is happening. I don't think you even disagree with this, so I'm really uncertain as to why you're accusing me of such a wide panoply of misbehavior.
I'm done responding to you on this topic. And you can take that any way you want.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:55:54am |
re: #367 Walter L. Newton
Walter:
ElBarto arrived in the thread and declared that he didn't believe AGW is real. I recommended that he read Charles's posts on the subject. You interjected that he should also read that article on the Himilayan glacier melt. It is my contention that one can reach a perfectly sufficient level of education about AGW by just reading what Charles has already posted on the subject.
Do you have any problem with that whatsoever?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:56:04am |
"Coakley admitted to making an honest mistake while filing the financial disclosure forms for her senate run claiming to have no personal assets when in fact she had an account under her husband's name with over $200,000 and a personal IRA containing approximately $12,000."
This is Wiki... still looking for a news link to the story...
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:56:07am |
re: #361 ethics
Amazing story of one man. I wasn't surprised or even curious about the fate of the Jews. Anyone who has lived in Ukraine, born and bred, would know what happened. I am sure Father Desbois will get specifics and details and that's just awesome. But what was curious for me was the man himself.
If there is a future I would like all religions to take, it's to make all people like Father Desbois. If you have the stomach for it, watch the multimedia pix. Even I, who has seen thousands, never seen some of them.
NYT write up back in 2007: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
It's become his life's mission. It's amazing beyond belief.
I would hope that they could get DNA samples still. It's important. There may be survivors, 2nd generation cousins or grandchildren. My mom gave her DNA to the Red Cross in case they are able to locate anyone (living or dead).
The Ukrainians were brutal. They went through Belarus doing the Nazis dirty work.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:56:10am |
re: #363 sattv4u2
Because the lib apologists are describing what Reid said as "accurate political analysis"
Horrifically, it probably was.
Now, think about what I said. Is it really so hard to accept that both Democrats and Republicans try to weasel their way out of shit, and depending on the power balance at the moment, sometimes they succeed?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:00am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:42am |
re: #369 sattv4u2
No ,, that was his actual name
Richard Head,,, Dick was a nickname!
Ooooookay! Walked into that one blindly. Besides we girls gotta stick together!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:48am |
re: #371 brookly red
that is the highly insured guy who likes to jump out of airplanes, right?
That be the one.
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:56am |
re: #370 Obdicut
Specific claims about when the Himalayan glaciers will melt being wrong doesn't affect the overall science of the melting of glaciers in general.
But politicians are using the allegedly scientific data and reports to convince their constituents to support radical political solutions for the problem. It does affect things when they use lies to make their case.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:58:04am |
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:58:14am |
re: #375 marjoriemoon
The Ukrainians were brutal. They went through Belarus doing the Nazis dirty work.
Yes, they were hellish.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:58:40am |
re: #379 MandyManners
He never asked you to pack his chute...?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:59:13am |
re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist
Horrifically, it probably was.
Now, think about what I said. Is it really so hard to accept that both Democrats and Republicans try to weasel their way out of shit, and depending on the power balance at the moment, sometimes they succeed?
Both absolutely do get away with things
That doesn't alter the fact that when one does get away with something (Coakleys speech yesterday) it puts the focus on THAT persons party allegience, just as when Lott made his blunder we endured months of hearing how the Repubs are all racist
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:59:50am |
re: #373 Obdicut
Walter:
ElBarto arrived in the thread and declared that he didn't believe AGW is real. I recommended that he read Charles's posts on the subject. You interjected that he should also read that article on the Himilayan glacier melt. It is my contention that one can reach a perfectly sufficient level of education about AGW by just reading what Charles has already posted on the subject.
Do you have any problem with that whatsoever?
What you are saying is that you don't recommend that anyone read anything else except what Charles' posts. I can't believe you actually believe what you just said.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:00:36am |
And on that note, Einstein and McDuff have started the car and mapped the directions to the park
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Mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:01:13am |
re: #374 CapeCoddah
"Coakley admitted to making an honest mistake while filing the financial disclosure forms for her senate run claiming to have no personal assets when in fact she had an account under her husband's name with over $200,000 and a personal IRA containing approximately $12,000."
They refer to that as tax evasion when non-politicians cheat on their taxes.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:01:16am |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:01:16am |
Whooo boy, you're getting pasted now and were going to be getting it later! We only have an inch or so to go before our pool over flows and that should be later today according to the radar. I'll take a picture of it when it does!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:02:20am |
re: #384 sattv4u2
Both absolutely do get away with things
That doesn't alter the fact that when one does get away with something (Coakleys speech yesterday) it puts the focus on THAT persons party allegience, just as when Lott made his blunder we endured months of hearing how the Repubs are all racist
Oh, so this actually IS an equivalent situation? She screwed up, and now the Democrats look bad? Here, I thought we were made of Teflon, and that could never happen.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:02:30am |
re: #380 Mich-again
But politicians are using the allegedly scientific data and reports to convince their constituents to support radical political solutions for the problem. It does affect things when they use lies to make their case.
Correct, especially in regards to India. This report on the Himalayan melting was a cornerstone in trying to get India to go along with the political solutions at Copenhagen. A lot of pressure was put on the Indian government to support his science that the Himalayan glaciers would be gone in no time.
Read the article from India...
[Link: www.newspostonline.com...]
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:02:41am |
re: #387 Mich-again
They refer to that as tax evasion when non-politicians cheat on their taxes.
Yes...they do.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:02:58am |
re: #373 Obdicut
It is my contention that one can reach a perfectly sufficient level of education about AGW by just reading what Charles has already posted on the subject.
Do you have any problem with that whatsoever
ummm,, yes!
I think articles from deniers/ skeptics and as you stated the small amount of peer reviewed that disputes AGW should be read also
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:08am |
re: #380 Mich-again
Oh, it's definitely important for specific policies that are affected by the Himilayan glaciers to get the number correct. So for specific policy, it matters a great deal. But, again, that doesn't affect the actual science of glacier melting.
In addition, wasn't that number simply one in a range of predictions? Or was it the only prediction made?
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
Uh... yeah, I do content that, by reading the posts that Charles has written-- and the links they contain-- one will attain a level of understanding of AGW sufficient to understand that it is occurring.
Do you disagree?
I could also say that if one read one of the good sites on AGW-- like [Link: www.skepticalscience.com...] or [Link: www.realclimate.org...] one can also attain a sufficient knowledge of AGW to know it's real.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:41am |
re: #394 Obdicut
Oh, it's definitely important for specific policies that are affected by the Himilayan glaciers to get the number correct. So for specific policy, it matters a great deal. But, again, that doesn't affect the actual science of glacier melting.
In addition, wasn't that number simply one in a range of predictions? Or was it the only prediction made?
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
Uh... yeah, I do content that, by reading the posts that Charles has written-- and the links they contain-- one will attain a level of understanding of AGW sufficient to understand that it is occurring.
Do you disagree?
I could also say that if one read one of the good sites on AGW-- like [Link: www.skepticalscience.com...] or [Link: www.realclimate.org...] one can also attain a sufficient knowledge of AGW to know it's real.
When have I said it wasn't real?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:43am |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, so this actually IS an equivalent situation? She screwed up, and now the Democrats look bad? Here, I thought we were made of Teflon, and that could never happen.
We'll see how much of what Coakley has done 'sticks'
Lott lost his leadership job
Reid, not so much!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:59am |
re: #371 brookly red
that is the highly insured guy who likes to jump out of airplanes, right?
Sounds like something a guy with the name Dickhead would do. RWC used to jump outta planes, didn't take me long to put a stop to that! I'm a bit phobic that way...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:05:04am |
re: #393 sattv4u2
It is my contention that one can reach a perfectly sufficient level of education about AGW by just reading what Charles has already posted on the subject.
Do you have any problem with that whatsoeverummm,, yes!
I think articles from deniers/ skeptics and as you stated the small amount of peer reviewed that disputes AGW should be read also
No, it's not the bible...
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:05:09am |
I hate Phillip Rivers but after watching this video I have a new found love for Chargers fans. From the video it looks like this guy was just arrested for chanting "Jets Jets Jets!" and the chargers fans around him stood up for him. At the very end of the video you get to see what happens to you when you ask an officer wtf he thinks he's doing, you get taken out too. Anyone have anymore info on this guy?
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:05:56am |
re: #393 sattv4u2
Given that Charles references many posts by deniers/skeptics-- while debunking them-- reading Charles's posts would, in fact, include reading claims by deniers and skeptics.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:06:23am |
re: #397 Dragon_Lady
Sounds like something a guy with the name Dickhead would do. RWC used to jump outta planes, didn't take me long to put a stop to that! I'm a bit phobic that way...
It was his job.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:06:40am |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, the consistency of things like this make the democrats look very bad. It is very bad when a sitting AG sits by and allows her thugs to knock a reporter down for asking a question, when she violates campaign finance laws and when she fails to disclose her finances.This stuff happens much too regularly with the democratic party.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:07:21am |
re: #399 RogueOne
Link to story btw:
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:07:22am |
re: #395 Walter L. Newton
When have I said that you haven't said that it's real, Walter?
Again: I recommend to a third-party that reading what Charles has written and referenced on AGW is a good way to attain a knowledge of what's going on with AGW. This is not in any way, shape, or form, a comment on you, whether or not you believe in AGW (Which you do, since you've said so clearly and unmistakably), and I'm at a complete loss as how you see that statement in any way being about you.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:07:24am |
re: #400 Obdicut
Given that Charles references many posts by deniers/skeptics-- while debunking them-- reading Charles's posts would, in fact, include reading claims by deniers and skeptics.
Referencing a "post" and debunking what is stated in it is far from reading an article, peer reviewed or not, by someone who is Anti-AGW
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:08:40am |
re: #396 sattv4u2
We'll see how much of what Coakley has done 'sticks'
Lott lost his leadership job
Reid, not so much!
We'll find out tomorrow.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:27am |
re: #401 MandyManners
It was his job.
Unless he's military, what kind of job requires jumping out of an airplane? I get woozy just looking out of my upstairs window! I just cant imagine doing it for a living!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:34am |
re: #392 CapeCoddah
Yes...they do.
/Well if the good people of Massachusetts can get it together & pull this off I give you my word I will never slash the tires of another Sox fan... ;)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:40am |
re: #237 bloodnok
I completely agree. He has completely overtaken her. I think the 4-5 point estimates are low. There is a buzz about him even in non Republican circles. Everywhere you go he is the topic of conversation -much more so than when Romney or Weld won the governorship as Rs. I have yet to see a single Coakley sign while Brown signs are everywhere. I don't think that she or the Dem committee thought that massive yard sign coverage would even be necessary.
She will get the usual support from unions and moonbats, but with the lead he has among Independents I think he is looking quite good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:47am |
re: #402 CapeCoddah
Yes, the consistency of things like this make the democrats look very bad. It is very bad when a sitting AG sits by and allows her thugs to knock a reporter down for asking a question, when she violates campaign finance laws and when she fails to disclose her finances.This stuff happens much too regularly with the democratic party.
Nevermind. My point, and I did have one, has been completely lost.
So, you think she has a chance to pull this out, or does Brown have it?
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:10:20am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
Referencing a "post" and debunking what is stated in it is far from reading an article, peer reviewed or not, by someone who is Anti-AGW
Yeah, that one had me scratching my head.
SO in order for me to understand US Foreign Policy better, I need to read Democratic Underground because, you know, they reference opposing views.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:10:42am |
re: #401 MandyManners
Whoa! Major respects there.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:10:52am |
re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist
We'll find out tomorrow.
Not really
By many accounts she stayed ahead when the financial disclosure problem passed, so that didn't affect the race
Bt many accounts she's already behind when this latest blunder (her political speech in a non-campaign setting) occured
So ,, ,no
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:11:17am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
Okay. I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying, then. What denier articles do you feel add to the understanding of AGW? Or am I still not getting you?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:11:18am |
re: #407 Dragon_Lady
Unless he's military, what kind of job requires jumping out of an airplane? I get woozy just looking out of my upstairs window! I just cant imagine doing it for a living!
Retired Special Forces.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:11:53am |
re: #408 brookly red
We have it together... We have hope, and are poised to make the change...for everyone.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:12:22am |
re: #412 Rightwingconspirator
I'll admit he was a good soldier. Last I knew, he was as high as you could get as an enlisted soldier.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:13:09am |
re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist
Brown has it. I have been campaigning.. non stop.
On the phones, the calls I have made, over 2k, my math for my calls alone had him up 12-13 %
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:13:52am |
re: #417 MandyManners
I'll admit he was a good soldier. Last I knew, he was as high as you could get as an enlisted soldier.
To jump out of an airplane you would have to be high.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:14:01am |
re: #414 Obdicut
Okay. I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying, then. What denier articles do you feel add to the understanding of AGW? Or am I still not getting you?
ANY
EXAMPLE
I can get a better feel of what a whack job a David Duke is by reading in it's entirety somehting he wrote, rather than a phrase from it referenced in "a post" on a blog
OTOH, if someone references something on a blog and it looks totally whacked out, reading the entire article in context MAY bring me to find out he/she is NOT whacked out after all
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:15:14am |
re: #408 brookly red
/Well if the good people of Massachusetts can get it together & pull this off I give you my word I will never slash the tires of another Sox fan... ;)
You owe me 4 Michelens for an SUV!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:17:41am |
re: #415 MandyManners
Retired Special Forces.
Figures! Did you see RWC's reply? Told you he used to do it for fun. I just talked to him on the phone, he says I'm the only person he knows that gets woozy from looking up. Thats about right. :-(
I hate heights with a passion!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:18:05am |
re: #420 sattv4u2
I can get a better feel of what a whack job a David Duke is by reading in it's entirety somehting he wrote, rather than a phrase from it referenced in "a post" on a blog
Ah, so you're saying that to really understand how unscientific and unsound the arguments of the deniers are, one has to read them in their entirety? I can agree with that readily, though it can be exhausting.
I'd still say, however, that doing so doesn't actually add to your understanding of the science; instead, it just acquaints you with the mistakes and distortions that deniers make when talking about the science. If I read an article about how the earth is actually hollow and lots of worlds exist inside it, it doesn't actually improve my knowledge of geology at all-- but a debunking of it might.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:19:16am |
re: #423 Dragon_Lady
Figures! Did you see RWC's reply? Told you he used to do it for fun. I just talked to him on the phone, he says I'm the only person he knows that gets woozy from looking up. Thats about right. :-(
I hate heights with a passion!
I do too, Dragon Lady.
My palms get sweaty from somethingas simple as drivingover a high and long bridge.
*shudder*
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:19:46am |
re: #423 Dragon_Lady
Figures! Did you see RWC's reply? Told you he used to do it for fun. I just talked to him on the phone, he says I'm the only person he knows that gets woozy from looking up. Thats about right. :-(
I hate heights with a passion!
One of the reasons I don't wear heels.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:19:47am |
re: #417 MandyManners
I'll admit he was a good soldier. Last I knew, he was as high as you could get as an enlisted soldier.
Just cause I don't like heights doesn't mean I don't respect those who do, actually I rather envy them... phobias are no fun!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:20:10am |
re: #420 sattv4u2
ANY
EXAMPLE
I can get a better feel of what a whack job a David Duke is by reading in it's entirety somehting he wrote, rather than a phrase from it referenced in "a post" on a blog
OTOH, if someone references something on a blog and it looks totally whacked out, reading the entire article in context MAY bring me to find out he/she is NOT whacked out after all
It all very, very simple. Here is why you read various scientific points of view about scientific issues. Two months ago the science was settled, the Himalayan glaciers will be gone by 2035. Now the process that those "facts" were compiled from has been found out to be totally flawed and wrong.
Case close.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:20:48am |
re: #424 Obdicut
It all very, very simple. Here is why you read various scientific points of view about scientific issues. Two months ago the science was settled, the Himalayan glaciers will be gone by 2035. Now the process that those "facts" were compiled from has been found out to be totally flawed and wrong.
Case close.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:21:37am |
re: #426 MandyManners
One of the reasons I don't wear heels.
Same here. I'm almost 6'5" and heels make me bang my head on doorways.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:21:50am |
re: #425 reine.de.tout
I do too, Dragon Lady.
My palms get sweaty from somethingas simple as drivingover a high and long bridge.
*shudder*
Don't every take the bridge from St Pete to Sarasosta, took the iron horse over that one a couple weeks back and it gave me the willies.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:08am |
re: #425 reine.de.tout
I do too, Dragon Lady.
My palms get sweaty from somethingas simple as drivingover a high and long bridge.
*shudder*
Me too, I just try not to look. If I didn't I'd never get to go anywhere, I'd be a hothouse flower...
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:16am |
re: #424 Obdicut
Ah, so you're saying that to really understand how unscientific and unsound the arguments of the deniers are.
Look up logical fallacy. :)
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:27am |
re: #425 reine.de.tout
Me, too. There's a really awful bridge between Charleston, SC and Mount Pleasant. My husband know enough now to go to the inside lane. I can get used to it, it's the surprise ones that get me.
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ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:40am |
***ATTENTION***
A new theory bridges the gap between the 9/11 truthers, and well..you know...everyone else.
[Link: www.xkcd.com...]
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:23:02am |
re: #429 Walter L. Newton
Why do you think that two months ago the 'science was settled'? Given that any specific prediction like that is, by its very nature, unscientific (any prediction like that should be in the form of a range, with probabilities) that doesn't make any sense to me.
What do you mean by 'the science was settled'?
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:23:12am |
re: #431 filetandrelease
Yep, the ones in the Florida Keys are bad.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:23:19am |
re: #435 ILoveIsrael
***ATTENTION***
A new theory bridges the gap between the 9/11 truthers, and well..you know...everyone else.
[Link: www.xkcd.com...]
Ha, brilliant.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:23:57am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:24:13am |
re: #435 ILoveIsrael
XKCD is my favorite place for actually original humor and jokes.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:24:26am |
re: #437 prairiefire
Some are pretty long, but not too high. Beautiful.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:24:51am |
re: #434 prairiefire
Me, too. There's a really awful bridge between Charleston, SC and Mount Pleasant. My husband know enough now to go to the inside lane. I can get used to it, it's the surprise ones that get me.
The San Francisco bridge got me real bad, and then there's the time we went to the Shasta Dam, just looking at the pic's RWC took over the edged make me nauseous!
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KenJen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:25:26am |
re: #425 reine.de.tout
I do too, Dragon Lady.
My palms get sweaty from somethingas simple as drivingover a high and long bridge.
*shudder*
Same here. I didn't know how bad my fear was until I was walking across the Natural Bridge. I stopped, sat down and couldn't move. My boyfriend at the time had to literally drag me the rest of the way.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:26:01am |
re: #442 filetandrelease
I think the long ones make me feel claustrophobic. I would not complain at all, however, to be on one right now. Really beautiful part of the country.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:26:55am |
re: #444 ethics
Stop doing what, exactly? Which logical fallacy are you accusing me of making? They exist in such a nicely wide variety.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:27:26am |
re: #436 Obdicut
Why do you think that two months ago the 'science was settled'? Given that any specific prediction like that is, by its very nature, unscientific (any prediction like that should be in the form of a range, with probabilities) that doesn't make any sense to me.
What do you mean by 'the science was settled'?
(This is going to be fun)...
Then show me a source that is over two month old that questions the validity that the Himalayan glaciers will be melted by 2035?
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:27:55am |
re: #443 Dragon_Lady
The San Francisco bridge got me real bad, and then there's the time we went to the Shasta Dam, just looking at the pic's RWC took over the edged make me nauseous!
I have a great aunt who walked across the Golden gate bridge the first day it opened. Incredible! When I went across it, two times only, I scrunched down real low in the seat so I just watched the sky.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:28:45am |
re: #447 Obdicut
Stop doing what, exactly? Which logical fallacy are you accusing me of making? They exist in such a nicely wide variety.
The classic when did you stop beating your wife.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:29:56am |
re: #445 KenJen
I completely froze going up a ladder mid-way to the third story roof of an apt. to watch fireworks. I had to be talked down by my boyfriend like some kind of maniac.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:31:25am |
re: #450 ethics
The classic when did you stop beating your wife.
"I have never accused my opponent of being a homosexual. However, if he is; I do not have a problem with that."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:33:00am |
Good morning everyone.
My fear of heights did not develop until I had kids, then I found myself having to carry a toddler up and down the "stairs" (ladders) on an air craft carrier while carrying a 2 year old, hyperventilating. My husband had to carry the 4 year old while I wasn't looking.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:33:56am |
re: #445 KenJen
Same here. I didn't know how bad my fear was until I was walking across the Natural Bridge. I stopped, sat down and couldn't move. My boyfriend at the time had to literally drag me the rest of the way.
I've been there!
There's also a place called "high bridge".
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:34:25am |
re: #359 Obdicut
I'm not sure how that post related to me recommending to the gentleman who didn't believe in AGW that he read what Charles has posted on it.
My point is that if ElBarto would like to educate himself on AGW, that he should read Charles's posts on the subject, and he will find himself edified. You jumped into that recommending that he read the article on the Himilayan glacier melt, and I'm saying that I don't think it's necessary to read that article in order to understand that AGW is happening. I don't think you even disagree with this, so I'm really uncertain as to why you're accusing me of such a wide panoply of misbehavior.
What is your problem with someone recommending that another read an investigative article concerning the methods and integrity of a UN climatologist?
Your question, repeated ad nauseum, is a load.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:34:58am |
re: #453 EmmmieG
Good morning everyone.
My fear of heights did not develop until I had kids, then I found myself having to carry a toddler up and down the "stairs" (ladders) on an air craft carrier while carrying a 2 year old, hyperventilating. My husband had to carry the 4 year old while I wasn't looking.
I don't have any fear of heights, but depths scare the shit out of me.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:36:03am |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
Okay. Here:
[Link: adsabs.harvard.edu...]
It says, quite rightly, that the Himalayan system is vastly complex and prediction is currently not possible.
Nanga Parbat glaciers appear to be oscillating, although a recent retreat pattern can be found. There is an urgent need for regional climate and surface energy-budget modeling to assess these complexities to determine the nature of these oscillations.
That 'questions the validity' of any firm prediction whatsoever.
re: #450 ethics
Okay. When did I do something akin to that?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:36:30am |
re: #455 Spare O'Lake
What is your problem with someone recommending that another read an investigative article concerning the methods and integrity of a UN climatologist?
Your question, repeated ad nauseum, is a load.
Because according to Obdicut, Charles' links to AGW scientist are sufficient enough for any discussion of the topic.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:36:48am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:36:59am |
re: #454 reine.de.tout
There are bridges The Delaware Memorial bridge is one I can think of where they have people who will drive you over.
People freeze up in their cars on some bridges too.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:37:38am |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
I don't have any fear of heights, but depths scare the shit out of me.
Did you know that if you put Mt. Everest in the Marianas Trench, there would be room for an entire 7,000 ft. mountain on top before they reached sea level?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:37:40am |
re: #459 Killgore Trout
Not Possible... Martha Coakley told us last week the Taliban were all gone from Afghanistan. How can that be?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:38:35am |
re: #456 Walter L. Newton
I don't have any fear of heights, but depths scare the shit out of me.
Ahhh, New York... where else can you take a tin-can that runs 200 feet under the East River to go sit at a desk looking out the 70th floor window.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:39:07am |
re: #455 Spare O'Lake
Because if the person is looking for scientific information about AGW, reading that article isn't going to help them attain that. I have no problem with them reading the article, but if they want a good understanding of the science of AGW, that article isn't going to help them.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:39:09am |
re: #462 CapeCoddah
Not Possible... Martha Coakley told us last week the Taliban were all gone from Afghanistan. How can that be?
Same idiot who doesn't know which team that Schilling played for.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:39:17am |
Kraut says MA will be Obama's Copenhagen III. That is going to leave a mark.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:40:53am |
re: #464 CapeCoddah
Um, thats roughly 42,000 feet... yes?
Not quite. Here's the link:
[Link: www.marianatrench.com...]
I always tell the science class kids this one because they find it so impressive.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:40:55am |
re: #462 CapeCoddah
Not Possible... Martha Coakley told us last week the Taliban were all gone from Afghanistan. How can that be?
I am getting the feeling that you really don't like her...
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:40:55am |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
Well, yes, I do think that reading Charles's posts on the subject, with their references-- he's posted pretty extensively about it-- or a simple reading of one of the sites I referenced earlier, are sufficient to give one a solid understanding of AGW.
Do you disagree with that?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:41:45am |
re: #457 Obdicut
Okay. Here:
[Link: adsabs.harvard.edu...]
It says, quite rightly, that the Himalayan system is vastly complex and prediction is currently not possible.
That 'questions the validity' of any firm prediction whatsoever.
Very good. You're doing better this morning. Of course, I linked to that abstract already, So, quoting you...
I'm just confused why you think, for someone who's doubting AGW's reality, reading Charles's posts on the subject is insufficient, and they need to read that article as well.
You just answered you own question.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:43:20am |
re: #470 Obdicut
Well, yes, I do think that reading Charles's posts on the subject, with their references-- he's posted pretty extensively about it-- or a simple reading of one of the sites I referenced earlier, are sufficient to give one a solid understanding of AGW.
Do you disagree with that?
Yes, and so do you, read your own #457
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:43:28am |
re: #469 brookly red
I am getting the feeling that you really don't like her...
lil 'ole me?
Her record is reprehensible. She is so bought and paid for, it disgusts everyone here.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:43:33am |
Here's a couple that I bet the lizards here can get quickly:
What is the tallest mountain on earth, measured from base to tip (not above sea level, just from base to tip).
What is the tallest mountain in the solar system?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:14am |
re: #474 EmmmieG
Without looking... I'm guessing some volcano in the Pacific?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:42am |
re: #473 CapeCoddah
lil 'ole me?
Her record is reprehensible. She is so bought and paid for, it disgusts everyone here.
tomorrow should be an interesting day...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:42am |
re: #474 EmmmieG
Here's a couple that I bet the lizards here can get quickly:
What is the tallest mountain on earth, measured from base to tip (not above sea level, just from base to tip).
What is the tallest mountain in the solar system?
A. Mauna Kea in Hawaii?
B. Absolutely no clue.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:46:04am |
re: #475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Without looking... I'm guessing some volcano in the Pacific?
Very good. See reine's #477
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:46:23am |
re: #474 EmmmieG
Here's a couple that I bet the lizards here can get quickly:
What is the tallest mountain on earth, measured from base to tip (not above sea level, just from base to tip).
What is the tallest mountain in the solar system?
our national dept?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:46:46am |
re: #474 EmmmieG
Here's a couple that I bet the lizards here can get quickly:
What is the tallest mountain on earth, measured from base to tip (not above sea level, just from base to tip).
What is the tallest mountain in the solar system?
Mount Olympus on Mars.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:47:33am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:47:50am |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
How did I answer my own question, Walter?
Again:
If someone reads all of Charles' posts and their references on the subject of AGW, they will have a nice, solid understanding of AGW. They won't get a PhD in climatology, but they'll have a good knowledge of the basic science, the tactics and financiers of denial, and the state of knowledge we have about the climate.
It doesn't mean they will have attained Zen-like mastery of climatology, but they'll be able to say, with confidence, that they understand the basic mechanism of AGW and that the scientific consensus on it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:48:00am |
Mandy is correct, although it is also known as Olympus Mons.
Mars, however, cheats. They have no atmosphere, and therefore no erosion and no rock cycle. Our mountains are being eroded constantly.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:48:01am |
Obama's speech, a real yawner, but one good line anyway.
"you will carry the best progessive forward thinking values"
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:48:03am |
re: #470 Obdicut
Well, yes, I do think that reading Charles's posts on the subject, with their references-- he's posted pretty extensively about it-- or a simple reading of one of the sites I referenced earlier, are sufficient to give one a solid understanding of AGW.
Do you disagree with that?
No, I agree. A solid understanding of one aspect of it, one side of it, there are others, as you so aptly just proved by linking to an abstract that questions the Himalayan glacier melting meme that the IPCC published.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:48:11am |
re: #476 brookly red
I am poll watching tomorrow... not that we expect much in the way of shenanigans in Harwich, think Mayberry.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:48:28am |
re: #484 EmmmieG
Mandy is correct, although it is also known as Olympus Mons.
Mars, however, cheats. They have no atmosphere, and therefore no erosion and no rock cycle. Our mountains are being eroded constantly.
Are you a science teacher?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:49:05am |
re: #487 CapeCoddah
I am poll watching tomorrow... not that we expect much in the way of shenanigans in Harwich, think Mayberry.
Heh. Much of the country will be poll watching tomorrow's Massachusetts results, I think.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:49:42am |
re: #488 reine.de.tout
Are you a science teacher?
I teach two homeschool science classes out of my home, and we just finished geology.
Gee-whiz facts stick in the kids' heads, along with "cool" things, like the Ring of FIRE!, so I look for them.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:05am |
re: #483 Obdicut
How did I answer my own question, Walter?
Again:
If someone reads all of Charles' posts and their references on the subject of AGW, they will have a nice, solid understanding of AGW. They won't get a PhD in climatology, but they'll have a good knowledge of the basic science, the tactics and financiers of denial, and the state of knowledge we have about the climate.
It doesn't mean they will have attained Zen-like mastery of climatology, but they'll be able to say, with confidence, that they understand the basic mechanism of AGW and that the scientific consensus on it.
And it doesn't mean they will have discovered all the science available on the subject, there are others, as you so aptly just proved by linking to an abstract that questions the Himalayan glacier melting meme that the IPCC published.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:28am |
re: #484 EmmmieG
Mandy is correct, although it is also known as Olympus Mons.
Mars, however, cheats. They have no atmosphere, and therefore no erosion and no rock cycle. Our mountains are being eroded constantly.
That name sounds kinky.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:28am |
re: #484 EmmmieG
I'm guessing you could make that out on a Mars' silhouette from space. That's big.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:36am |
re: #487 CapeCoddah
I am poll watching tomorrow... not that we expect much in the way of shenanigans in Harwich, think Mayberry.
By Chatham?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:51:01am |
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:51:02am |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
The article I found was referenced in RealClimate, one of the sites I said was good for understanding the state of AGW science, in my posts above. Given that RealClimate is one of the sites that Charles promotes in his post, I'm at a loss to understand how that article I referenced showed another side.
And it doesn't mean they will have discovered all the science available on the subject, there are others, as you so aptly just proved by linking to an abstract that questions the Himalayan glacier melting meme that the IPCC published.
Except that, again, I got that article by looking on RealClimate, so yes, if they read RealClimate, they would.
Anyway, I have a metric ton of work to do right now, and I can't really see any way I could possibly make myself any clearer.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:00am |
re: #487 CapeCoddah
I am poll watching tomorrow... not that we expect much in the way of shenanigans in Harwich, think Mayberry.
IT'S ME! IT'S ME! IT'S ERNEST T!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:24am |
re: #494 brookly red
By Chatham?
I live in Harwich Port.....about 1/2 mile from the Chatham town line. Both towns are home to me.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:33am |
re: #465 Obdicut
Because if the person is looking for scientific information about AGW, reading that article isn't going to help them attain that. I have no problem with them reading the article, but if they want a good understanding of the science of AGW, that article isn't going to help them.
So you have no problem at all with them reading utterly meaningless drivel like the Himalaya article in their spare time between the comics and the crossword, but you think it should not be included on the recommended reading list?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:53:35am |
re: #498 CapeCoddah
I live in Harwich Port...about 1/2 mile from the Chatham town line. Both towns are home to me.
in honor of you poll watching I will have Chowder for supper...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:53:37am |
re: #490 EmmmieG
I teach two homeschool science classes out of my home, and we just finished geology.
Gee-whiz facts stick in the kids' heads, along with "cool" things, like the Ring of FIRE!, so I look for them.
gee-whiz facts stick in grown-up heads too.
The other day Bagua explained something I thought was most interesting, and that is that Papa Doc Duvaliar used voodoo imagery in how he dressed, in the naming of the "tonton macoutes", and in how they dressed, all as part of intimidating the population.
That's something you just won't usually hear in a history class. But very interesting, and pertinent, I think, to understanding.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:53:44am |
re: #496 Obdicut
The article I found was referenced in RealClimate, one of the sites I said was good for understanding the state of AGW science, in my posts above. Given that RealClimate is one of the sites that Charles promotes in his post, I'm at a loss to understand how that article I referenced showed another side.
Now you are being purposely vague. One side IPCC Himalayan glaciers will met by 2035, the other side, that abstract from Harvard.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:54:26am |
re: #500 brookly red
in honor of you poll watching I will have Chowder for supper...
oh and some Sam Adams too...
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:55:34am |
.re: #449 prairiefire
With an expensive sounding snap & buzz our electricity at home is out. Dragon_Lady is shut down for now. I'm posting from work. Hope you all with real weather have a power surge or UPS on your expensive stuff. I think mine just saved my computer and TV.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:55:53am |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:56:19am |
re: #503 brookly red
Go with the Winter Lager. Awesome with chowder.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:56:22am |
re: #504 CapeCoddah
Better not be Manhattan style!
actually New Yorkers don't call it that, the red spicy stuff is known as "Italian Clam Soup" locally.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:58:11am |
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Stuart Leviton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:59:05am |
re: #440 Alouette
Bless you Alouette. Am Yisrael Chai.
Good luck Haitians. I grieve for you.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:59:11am |
Here's a random thought for you:
The earth recyles literally everything that is a part of nature: air, water, biological matter, rocks, minerals, etc. (The only stuff that doesn't recyle naturally is the stuff we make.)
If God only needed the earth to run for 6,000 or so years, what was the point of a rock cycle? The rock cycle is a LOT slower than that.
Just wondering.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:59:37am |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:00:01pm |
By the way -- here's a little perspective on the flawed prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. This prediction is quoted exactly once in an IPCC report -- and not in any of the technical summaries, which are more widely read, but only on page 493 of Chapter 10 of this very lengthy report on the impacts of climate change (PDF).
So yes, it's a breakdown in the scientific vetting process for these kinds of claims, but on the other hand it's being VASTLY exaggerated and blown up into a huge issue, far beyond what is warranted.
But that's what climate deniers do, so it's not surprising.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:00:18pm |
The Brown Campaign just sent out the vid from Mechanics hall in Worcester yesterday. This happened while 1,100 were at the Coakley/Obama event. Take a look at the turnout. This is UNPRECEDENTED in Massachusetts... for ANY candidate. I have never seen anything like the Brown campaign here.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:00:55pm |
re: #500 brookly red
in honor of you poll watching I will have Chowder for supper...
That's a brilliant idea for dinner tonight. Thanks!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:01:24pm |
re: #512 MandyManners
Done gone and worked fer me!
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:01:28pm |
re: #512 MandyManners
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I get that message all the time on my phone.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:02:13pm |
Smoke and mirrors, if a group uses them to promote an agenda, the agenda becomes suspect.
Once climate gate became news, it suggested there may be additional information used by these scientist that won't pass scrutiny.
So now we don't really have any idea the state of the glaciers in the Himalayas?
Is this it? Are we regular folks suppose to assume the rest of the information that AGW scientist inform us is untainted?
In the business world these charlatans would be tossed on their collective asses.
Darwin would be ashamed.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:03:34pm |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But she isn't showing cleavage, she has no backup dancers, and I can't even see her makeup from here.
All she has is a good voice.
How can that be?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:04:04pm |
re: #515 RogueOne
That's a brilliant idea for dinner tonight. Thanks!
Well in an act of solidarity with the Massachusetts freedom fighters I a coast to coast chowder fest tonight...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:04:46pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:05:51pm |
re: #513 Charles
By the way -- here's a little perspective on the flawed prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. This prediction is quoted exactly once in an IPCC report -- and not in any of the technical summaries, which are more widely read, but only on page 493 of Chapter 10 of this very lengthy report on the impacts of climate change (PDF).
So yes, it's a breakdown in the scientific vetting process for these kinds of claims, but on the other hand it's being VASTLY exaggerated and blown up into a huge issue, far beyond what is warranted.
But that's what climate deniers do, so it's not surprising.
And the part I bolded in your comment above has been the focus of my comments, not that this somehow disproves climate change or global warming.
Call me pedantic, but most of the time when I have included myself in AGW discussions, it's been over process, procedure and protocol.
I don't know if this is a huge issue. If it is discovered that vetting on this Chapter went astray, then it's a mistake, plain and simple. If it is discovered that that sort of mistake is repeated many times over in other IPCC publications, articles, debates and it's science, then the problem may just be huge.
But ignoring it is not an option in my opinion.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:06:07pm |
re: #440 Alouette
Israeli field hospital has the most sophisticated medical care in Haiti
Sorry I missed this before, that is just incredible! I REALLY feel for the Americans, especially that doc at the end. They WANT to help, they are just ill equipped. Someone needs to look at the protocol and find out why.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:06:50pm |
I wish I had a good clam chowder recipe. I can't seem to get it right. Next time I will start with a rue, then milk and cream. Just a long shot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:06:57pm |
re: #521 MandyManners
Some friends of mine who play bluegrass know I love that song and learned it for me. Played it at Christmas for me.
Best damn gift I ever got.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:08:01pm |
re: #523 Walter L. Newton
And as I stated above, it does not give the layman any confidence.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:09:38pm |
While I appreciate that rendition, I wouldn't mind hearing a Chris Thile or Union Station cover.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:10:23pm |
re: #527 filetandrelease
And as I stated above, it does not give the layman any confidence.
Especially when the IPCC claims they did no such thing (including non peer reviewed material, grey material) in the report and then we find out they did and they have to backtrack on their statements.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:10:28pm |
re: #525 filetandrelease
No roux!
Cream, butter, potato, clams.
The cream will thicken a bit, as it cooks...a bit of heavy cream helps. Salt and pepper.
Chowder is simple to make.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:11:05pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:11:16pm |
re: #518 filetandrelease
Smoke and mirrors, if a group uses them to promote an agenda, the agenda becomes suspect.
Once climate gate became news, it suggested there may be additional information used by these scientist that won't pass scrutiny.
So now we don't really have any idea the state of the glaciers in the Himalayas?
Is this it? Are we regular folks suppose to assume the rest of the information that AGW scientist inform us is untainted?
In the business world these charlatans would be tossed on their collective asses.
Darwin would be ashamed.
No one said the glaciers are not receding. It is only the projected date by which the UN climatologists have announced that the Himalayan glaciers will have disappeared that has been shown to be utter and complete unscientific alarmist bullshit.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:11:33pm |
re: #530 CapeCoddah
No roux!
Cream, butter, potato, clams.
The cream will thicken a bit, as it cooks...a bit of heavy cream helps. Salt and pepper.
Chowder is simple to make.
I like a few carrots too...
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:09pm |
re: #519 EmmmieG
But she isn't showing cleavage, she has no backup dancers, and I can't even see her makeup from here.
All she has is a good voice.
How can that be?
You're right, that clip needs more cleavage.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:16pm |
re: #521 MandyManners
Now Ebo Walker was born in Kentucky And raised by his daddy on a hillside farm He took up fiddle playing just for fun That’s the last work that Ebo Walker had done Ebo Walker was a mighty fine fiddle player Ebo Walker was a mighty fine fiddle player
Well Ebo Walker he left Kentucky Cause Ebo’s daddy said there on your hide You won’t plant corn and you won’t make hay You sit on the porch and you play that thing all day Ebo Walker was a mighty fine fiddle player Ebo Walker was a mighty fine fiddle player
Well Ebo Walker he walked and he fiddled And he walked and he fiddled And he fiddled ‘til he died But I’ve heard telled when the wind is down and the moon shines bright and the leaves are brown You can hear old Ebo fiddlin’ all around "
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:22pm |
re: #530 CapeCoddah
With your nic, I have to assume you know what you are talking about. But I have tried that, with less than moderate success compared to what I have had. And it is about my favorite. I will travel some ways for a good bowl of chowder.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:39pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:54pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:12:59pm |
re: #535 RogueOne
You're right, that clip needs more cleavage.
Absolutely, somebody get over there and put Andy in a low-cut shirt.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:14:03pm |
re: #534 CapeCoddah
NO ROUX>>> NO FLOUR IN CHOWDER!!
That was more of a spelling lesson than a culinary one. Point taken.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:14:43pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:14:49pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:15:17pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:15:26pm |
re: #538 brookly red
NO FRUIT ON PIZZA!!
If I find the guy who put pineapple on pizza he will get a beating.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:15:59pm |
re: #537 filetandrelease
Chowders are different, everyone has their own recipe... Chowder, harking back to earlier days was and is a very simple dish. You are NOT supposed to be able to stand a spoon up in it.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:16:50pm |
re: #545 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I find the guy who put pineapple on pizza he will get a beating.
In oh forget it.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:17:05pm |
re: #537 filetandrelease
With your nic, I have to assume you know what you are talking about. But I have tried that, with less than moderate success compared to what I have had. And it is about my favorite. I will travel some ways for a good bowl of chowder.
I'd rather go to the fish place up the street and get some. That way if it sucks, it's not my fault.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:17:11pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:17:56pm |
This may be what you are looking for... but it is NOT authentic chowder, although all claim to be..... And I forgot the Bacon.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:18:22pm |
| 553 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:19:03pm |
All-fruit pizza:
[Link: allrecipes.com...]
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:19:11pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:20:05pm |
re: #551 ethics
Not even if it's Dominoes?
then it is permitted... hell, put peanut butter on dominoes it you want but don't call it pizza.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:20:18pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:21:01pm |
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:21:31pm |
Twitter joke led to Terror Act arrest and airport life ban... moral of the story, don't joke online. /
When heavy snowfall threatened to scupper Paul Chambers's travel plans, he decided to vent his frustrations on Twitter by tapping out a comment to amuse his friends. "Robin Hood airport is closed," he wrote. "You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together, otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!!"
Unfortunately for Mr Chambers, the police didn't see the funny side
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:21:33pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:22:16pm |
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:23:23pm |
re: #556 brookly red
then it is permitted... hell, put peanut butter on dominoes it you want but don't call it pizza.
If you get it at domino's I don't think they're legally allowed to call that crap "pizza". State law.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:23:33pm |
re: #553 EmmmieG
All-fruit pizza:
[Link: allrecipes.com...]
Looks like a tart to me.
Or a giant cookie.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:23:36pm |
I had Chowder once..It tasted so fishy I had to put 2000 crackers in it to cover the taste...
/
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:23:44pm |
re: #559 brookly red
That's what I am told!
My fav pizza, is paper thin crust, chunk tomato for sauce, fresh sliced Mozza and fresh Basil. Sometimes artichoke hearts.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:24:15pm |
re: #566 HoosierHoops
I had Chowder once..It tasted so fishy I had to put 2000 crackers in it to cover the taste...
/
Fish chowder, perhaps?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:25:30pm |
re: #564 RogueOne
If you get it at domino's I don't think they're legally allowed to call that crap "pizza". State law.
Should be a federal law, where Dominos is concerned.
| 571 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:25:42pm |
re: #567 CapeCoddah
That's what I am told!
My fav pizza, is paper thin crust, chunk tomato for sauce, fresh sliced Mozza and fresh Basil. Sometimes artichoke hearts.
the artichoke hearts are not bad... it seems to be a regional Boston favorite.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:26:31pm |
re: #570 CapeCoddah
Dominoes Pizza is more offensive to Italians than Jersey Shore.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:26:41pm |
re: #568 CapeCoddah
Fish chowder, perhaps?
You mean Chowder doesn't have fish in it? Oh Gawd..What did I eat?
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:26:58pm |
re: #571 brookly red
I only will eat the Philly Cheesesteak Pizza at Dominoes
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:28:02pm |
re: #505 Rightwingconspirator
Oh, Yes. We have amazing lightening storms out here on the prairie. Power strips everywhere. We've had lightening strikes and my husband always says "trust the power strips".
| 576 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:28:14pm |
re: #529 Walter L. Newton
Especially when the IPCC claims they did no such thing (including non peer reviewed material, grey material) in the report and then we find out they did and they have to backtrack on their statements.
I find it interesting that the IPCC does not proudly included the UN initials at the beginning of their name. I think calling it UNIPCC would add that extra bit of credibility, don't you?
| 577 |
RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:28:14pm |
re: #574 YoungLibertarian92
I only will eat the Philly Cheesesteak Pizza at Dominoes
OK, Now I'm SURE there is something wrong with you//
| 578 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:28:32pm |
re: #513 Charles
If no errors like what we have been talking about turned up that would be suspicious. This is a huge project(s) so we can expect the process to go awry from time to time. Humans err. Like we can expect a close call or worse from Al Qaeda sometimes despite great effort by good people.
Just out of my own interest I'm looking into the possibility we are under a brief reprieve, and we better have our act together before the sun gets active again with the spots.
| 579 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:28:46pm |
re: #577 RogueOne
Haha! Why you no like? (Borat Voice)
| 580 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:29:06pm |
| 581 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:29:40pm |
re: #580 brookly red
Peasants are WAY too chewy on pizza.
| 583 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:30:38pm |
re: #573 HoosierHoops
You mean Chowder doesn't have fish in it? Oh Gawd..What did I eat?
well from your description I am thinking cat food...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:31:21pm |
Interesting facts about the IPCC you may not of known...
1) ...the IPCC is an unusual organisation in that the evidence is supplied by scientists, but the summaries of its reports are agreed between scientists and representatives of governments
2) It has been suggested that this report should not have been used, as it does not appear to be peer-reviewed [7]. However, IPCC rules [8] permit the use of non-peer-reviewed material, providing it is "internationally available". (in regards to Working Group on Himalayan Glaciology (WGHG) of the International Commission for Snow and Ice (ICSI))
Hmmm... summaries of reports are agreed between by scientists and representatives of governments and the IPCC allows the use of non peer review material in it's reports.
But, it does certainly seem that there is a good number of peer reviewed scientist at the IPCC that don't always agree on the IPCC reports.
See...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:31:31pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:31:36pm |
re: #578 Rightwingconspirator
If no errors like what we have been talking about turned up that would be suspicious. This is a huge project(s) so we can expect the process to go awry from time to time. Humans err. Like we can expect a close call or worse from Al Qaeda sometimes despite great effort by good people.
Just out of my own interest I'm looking into the possibility we are under a brief reprieve, and we better have our act together before the sun gets active again with the spots.
Please let me know if we are under a reprieve. I think about 30 years should give us enough time to finish off the planet in some other way if we don't waste any time.
| 587 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:31:38pm |
I want some cheese fries from Outback!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:31:40pm |
What does it mean when a real estate listing is labeled "Subject to short sale"?
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:32:32pm |
re: #583 brookly red
well from your description I am thinking cat food...
Well I hope they used fancy cat and not the cheap shit.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:00pm |
re: #587 YoungLibertarian92
I want some cheese fries from Outback!
Did you know that is the single most unhealthy dish you can order at a major chain restaurant?
Saw it in an article. Over 3,000 calories.
"Can I get extra ranch dressing?"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:11pm |
re: #574 YoungLibertarian92
Be careful saying that within a 20 mile radius of Philadelphia.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:13pm |
re: #583 brookly red
well from your description I am thinking cat food...
I knew a guy who made a cat food samich and left in his fridge for a room mate who didn't pay his part of the food bill.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:15pm |
re: #586 Spare O'Lake
Okay, but remember unlike some of the Lizard nation, I'm no scientist. We'll see how it shakes out from what I can dig up less what is over my head.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:16pm |
re: #588 Killgore Trout
What does it mean when a real estate listing is labeled "Subject to short sale"?
I think it means the present owners are trying to sell the property for less money than they presently owe on it. Sale is subject to mortgage holder's approval before it can be final.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:18pm |
I make my own fancy sauce. It's ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise mixed together.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:22pm |
re: #576 Spare O'Lake
I find it interesting that the IPCC does not proudly included the UN initials at the beginning of their name. I think calling it UNIPCC would add that extra bit of credibility, don't you?
No... I think they are responsible for their own credibility, or lack of it.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:39pm |
re: #587 YoungLibertarian92
I want some cheese fries from Outback!
I could eat those if I was drunk... in fact I have done so.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:33:42pm |
re: #588 Killgore Trout
It means someone needs to get rid of the property quickly since the lender is willing to take less than is owed.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:34:11pm |
re: #591 oaktree
Be careful saying that within a 20 mile radius of Philadelphia.
I can feel my ribs being kicked in now.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:34:43pm |
re: #594 reine.de.tout
I think it means the present owners are trying to sell the property for less money than they presently owe on it. Sale is subject to mortgage holder's approval before it can be final.
So they are already listing the property for less than they paid for it? I assume that means they probably won't entertain lowball offers.
| 601 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:34:46pm |
re: #593 Rightwingconspirator
Okay, but remember unlike some of the Lizard nation, I'm no scientist. We'll see how it shakes out from what I can dig up less what is over my head.
And neither are most of the Lizard Nation, if you haven't noticed. Welcome to the club.
| 602 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:35:14pm |
re: #597 brookly red
You're crazy! That's the best!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:35:25pm |
re: #592 Cannadian Club Akbar
I knew a guy who made a cat food samich and left in his fridge for a room mate who didn't pay his part of the food bill.
mayonnaise can turn shit into shit salad...
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:36:20pm |
re: #588 Killgore Trout
What does it mean when a real estate listing is labeled "Subject to short sale"?
Normally, bids below the seller's asking price are subject to counter-bids for a certain period of time.
I suspect that a short sale is one in which such time windows are dispensed with, and the seller is free to simply accept an offer immediately, rather than risk losing the sale should another bid not occur within the window, or if a counter-bid comes in, but doesn't survive further examination.
Guessing, but that sort of arrangement would make sense in the present market.
| 605 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:36:30pm |
re: #595 YoungLibertarian92
I make my own fancy sauce. It's ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise mixed together.
Try it on dry toast...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:36:31pm |
re: #599 YoungLibertarian92
No, verbal abuse is much more likely (at least initially).
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:36:52pm |
re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you know that is the single most unhealthy dish you can order at a major chain restaurant?
Saw it in an article. Over 3,000 calories.
"Can I get extra ranch dressing?"
yeah but they can sure soak up the suds...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:37:36pm |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
So they are already listing the property for less than they paid for it? I assume that means they probably won't entertain lowball offers.
Who knows what they might accept?
If you toss out an offer and it's declined, you're in the same spot you're in now.
When the worst that could happen is nothing, just - just do it.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:37:41pm |
re: #605 HoosierHoops
I make my own fancy sauce. It's ketchup, mustard, and mayonnaise mixed together.
Try it on dry toast...
Nope, I dip freedom fries in it.
| 611 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:38:16pm |
I'm sitting here watching Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, and wondering....
Given the success of this pairing, if you had a wish to see any two living performers collaborate, who would they be?
| 612 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:38:58pm |
re: #607 brookly red
yeah but they can sure soak up the suds...
I was in a "Huddle House" a last week. Ordered something fairly sensible and looked around... at 450 pounder got an additional order of biscuits with sausage gravy....
| 613 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:39:22pm |
re: #608 YoungLibertarian92
You a Philly boy?
Simply a current resident. New Jerseyite by birth certificate, but family is from western New York state and western Pennsylvania. I've bounced around a bit having lived in Indiana, New York, Virginia, and an extended stay in various parts of Pennsylvania. (And I'm the stick-in-the-mud of my immediate family having never lived west of the Mississippi like the rest have at one time or another.)
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:39:35pm |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
So they are already listing the property for less than they paid for it? I assume that means they probably won't entertain lowball offers.
Not necessarily less than they paid, just less than they owe. My brother had to do it years ago (very, very nasty divorce). Since it was bought on a VA loan, they helped him deal with the bank to sell it as quickly as possible. When he did it they were willing to drop it down to 80% of what he owed.
| 615 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:39:37pm |
re: #601 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, and yes you have taken some hits you did not have coming. Some are too emotional on this.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:40:11pm |
re: #611 EmmmieG
I'm sitting here watching Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, and wondering...
Given the success of this pairing, if you had a wish to see any two living performers collaborate, who would they be?
David Byrne and Elvis Costello.
| 617 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:40:36pm |
re: #613 oaktree
Are you a military brat? I used to live in Fairfax, VA.
| 618 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:40:54pm |
re: #611 EmmmieG
I'm sitting here watching Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, and wondering...
Given the success of this pairing, if you had a wish to see any two living performers collaborate, who would they be?
Beyounce and me in a tender duet.. starts out slow then Rocks out like Tina & Ike Turner.. except without all the hitting and stuff.
| 619 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:41:04pm |
re: #611 EmmmieG
Okay. Not going to answer that, because this pairing would have never occurred to me.
I saw Robert and Alison live. Best musical experience of my life. Took my kids. Son's a musician. Daughter's a music fan. We (all three of us) sat for two and a half hours with our jaws hanging open.
| 620 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:41:14pm |
re: #612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was in a "Huddle House" a last week. Ordered something fairly sensible and looked around... at 450 pounder got an additional order of biscuits with sausage gravy...
for me the best of chain resaturates is Sabaro...
| 621 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:41:47pm |
re: #617 YoungLibertarian92
Are you a military brat? I used to live in Fairfax, VA.
Nope. Father worked for ALCOA, which explained some of it. When I was in VA I worked in DC as a contractor and lived just south of Alexandria along US 1. Used to bike the trail along the Potomac to Mt Vernon a lot.
| 622 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:42:14pm |
| 623 |
Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:42:15pm |
re: #585 Stanley Sea
ALways cracks me up to know that one of the two Barnes is actually Bill Mumy (he of Lost in Space and Babylon 5 fame....)
| 624 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:42:39pm |
re: #615 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks, and yes you have taken some hits you did not have coming. Some are too emotional on this.
Yhanks, but honestly, if I respond to something, post something or refute another comment, then I am totally aware of the possibility that I will open myself to everything from support to outright distain.
And honestly, I'm not above making an ass out of myself too.
| 627 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:44:02pm |
re: #621 oaktree
I used to love to bike on the C&O canal, and I was a frequent visitor at Mt. Vernon because I'm a history buff. I'm going to Georgetown University next year. I'm excited. I love D.C..
| 628 |
Ericus58 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:44:57pm |
re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Some friends of mine who play bluegrass know I love that song and learned it for me. Played it at Christmas for me.
Best damn gift I ever got.
I grew up watching Rheam Wall(sp?) and the Green Valley Jamboree on WOOD out of Grand Rapids on Saturday evening. Got's me some Tennessee and WV stock.
| 629 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:45:08pm |
re: #593 Rightwingconspirator
Okay, but remember unlike some of the Lizard nation, I'm no scientist. We'll see how it shakes out from what I can dig up less what is over my head.
Go for it!
And remember, lizards have thick skins...MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
| 630 |
filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:45:42pm |
re: #550 CapeCoddah
Thank you, thats is a print out.
| 631 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:45:45pm |
re: #627 YoungLibertarian92
If you haven't yet work your way up to Baltimore a few times. And also visit the museum at Aberdeen Proving Grounds if you get the opportunity. (Bring a camera.)
| 632 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:46:06pm |
re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She's a little young. Toni Braxton?
Oh, dang. My heart just stopped...
I wonder how Taylor Swift and Ozzy would sound together?
| 634 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:46:43pm |
| 635 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:47:13pm |
re: #609 reine.de.tout
I can't quite start making offer yet. I'm going to see a real estate agent next week about selling my place. Maybe in a month or two.
| 636 |
RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:47:39pm |
re: #632 HoosierHoops
I wonder how Taylor Swift and Ozzy would sound together?
Is that the girl that did that horrible show with def leppard?
| 639 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:50:26pm |
crap... gotta go walk my friends Mastiffs... where did I put my shovel?
| 640 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:50:36pm |
re: #626 Mich-again
Good information.
Thanks. I didn't realize it until now, but if you will find a lot of pro/con (and I'm talking valid, peer level pro/con) information on Wiki about the IPCC. Between commenting, I've been poking around, and it seems that the IPCC are not all sugar and spice as I have been lead (or at least assumed) to be.
This is why, up thread, I have been very much promoting reading multiple sources, further than what is simply linked to and presented from any one given source. And of course, that includes sources that Charles has presented.
But Obdicut's suggestion that those sources are all one would need flies blindly in the face of what science is really about. The junk science normally shakes out, a valid opposing point of view gets it's just due.
Proof of all that is evident from some of the new material that we have all been looking at over the last 24 hours. It's not wasted time to examine these other sources, for a matter of fact, in my opinion, it's been eye opening.
Continue.
| 641 |
Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:50:39pm |
re: #631 oaktree
Second the Bal'mer recommend. Apart from the fact that it's the only city I know of with a major sports franchise named after a work of poetry, I personally believe it to be one of the absolutely coolest cities I've ever spent time in. Its ethnic neighborhoods are still intact, the population and interests of the city are diverse as can be, it has an excellent arts scene and,in general, bucketoads of personality. Great place.
| 642 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:50:43pm |
I'm not sure my Byrne/Costello combo would necessarily be *good*. But it would definitely produce something *interesting*.
| 644 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:51:03pm |
re: #631 oaktree
If you haven't yet work your way up to Baltimore a few times. And also visit the museum at Aberdeen Proving Grounds if you get the opportunity. (Bring a camera.)
I love going to Little Italy in Baltimore during Christmas time, they have all of these houses extravagantly decorated in Christmas lights. It's worth a picture or two.
| 645 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:51:12pm |
re: #639 brookly red
And a tractor to attach the chains to.
| 646 |
Ericus58 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:52:17pm |
Ha! Found him - Rem Wall to be exact:
| 647 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:53:08pm |
re: #642 oaktree
I'm not sure my Byrne/Costello combo would necessarily be *good*. But it would definitely produce something *interesting*.
Are you talking about David Byrne and Lou Costello?
| 648 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:53:21pm |
I think the key here would be that both halves have to have real talent.
| 649 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:53:28pm |
Scott Brown isn't my ideal candidate but these are some inspiring words.
| 650 |
filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:53:43pm |
re: #546 CapeCoddah
True, but ever since I read Mobie Dick, I have loved clam or sea food chowder.
| 651 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:53:54pm |
re: #647 Walter L. Newton
Are you talking about David Byrne and Lou Costello?
Yeah. "Who's on Alison".
| 652 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:54:02pm |
re: #644 YoungLibertarian92
My ultimate "military steel" tour was a single morning/afternoon where I visited Aberdeen and also went over to Camden, NJ and toured the USS New Jersey. Did that fairly shortly after be transferred to Philly. While on the New Jersey was when I noticed the USS Olympia anchored on the other side of the Delaware. I've toured that and the Balao-class sub it is moored with since then.
| 653 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:54:12pm |
re: #637 EmmmieG
[Video]
On the positive side..We can all look forward to seeing Taylor Swift on the Biography channel someday...
' From the dizziness of her success at a young age..Now living through 3 failed marriages and numerous stints in rehab..Taylor finally pulled her life from the brink'
/
| 654 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:54:28pm |
re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. "Who's on Alison".
I guess that was funny. I don't know who David Byrne is?
| 655 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:55:04pm |
re: #647 Walter L. Newton
Are you talking about David Byrne and Lou Costello?
That would be surreal.
| 656 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:55:09pm |
re: #611 EmmmieG
I'm sitting here watching Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, and wondering...
Given the success of this pairing, if you had a wish to see any two living performers collaborate, who would they be?
Neil Young and Yoko Ono live from Mecca, screeching out the Call to Prayer, a capella of course.
| 657 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:55:09pm |
re: #654 Walter L. Newton
I guess that was funny. I don't know who David Byrne is?
Former lead singer of the Talking Heads. The "Costello" was Elvis Costello.
| 658 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:55:20pm |
| 659 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:56:05pm |
| 661 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:56:35pm |
re: #652 oaktree
I've always been fascinated by military hardware but sadly I've only ever toured the USS Intrepid.
| 662 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:56:38pm |
| 664 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:57:05pm |
re: #659 Floral Giraffe
I must have fruit on my tacos.
Uh avocado.
| 665 |
Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:57:11pm |
re: #611 EmmmieG
Too much info overload to sort all of it out....but here's a couple:
Ry Cooder and Levon Helm
Brian Wilson and Burt Bacharach
....I keep running options thru my head for a Gary Burton pairing....
| 666 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:58:00pm |
re: #656 Spare O'Lake
OMG
The war would be over.
| 667 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:58:04pm |
re: #654 Walter L. Newton
I guess that was funny. I don't know who David Byrne is?
No it wasn't. I'm a dumb ass. Mixed the artists.
I should've said, "Who's on Psycho-killer"
| 668 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:58:08pm |
| 669 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:58:44pm |
re: #667 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No it wasn't. I'm a dumb ass. Mixed the artists.
I should've said, "Who's on Psycho-killer"
Still wouldn't have help me.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:59:16pm |
I somehow think Elvis Costello could have fun with _Life During Wartime_.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:59:47pm |
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:00:04pm |
I'm really enjoying the new Tiny Tim record that just came out! I love Tiny Tim!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:00:38pm |
re: #588 Killgore Trout
What does it mean when a real estate listing is labeled "Subject to short sale"?
They also take forever to close. Friends purchase of a short sale took over 180 days.
Linky:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:00:40pm |
re: #670 oaktree
Have you had the opportunity to see Spectacle, the interview show on Sundance hosted by Costello? Find it if you haven't -- IMNSHO, one of the best music programs ever designed.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:02:37pm |
re: #672 YoungLibertarian92
I'm really enjoying the new Tiny Tim record that just came out! I love Tiny Tim!
Trivia question. What was on the flip side of the Tiny Tim 45 "Tip Toe Through The Tulips?"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:03:15pm |
re: #674 Slap
Haven't had the opportunity. Stumbled across YouTube stuff yesterday of Elvis Costello (and band) playing with the Police. I think I linked to the "Watching the Detectives/Walking on the Moon" medley. Given the mutual reggae roots it made a lot of sense.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:03:29pm |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
Only one way to find out!
Make an offer! The bank REALLY doesn't want to foreclose, especially in this market. If the short sale is already approved, that's a big step for the bank.
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simoom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:04:44pm |
Not good...
U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes
Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.
U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:05:58pm |
re: #676 oaktree
Haven't had the opportunity. Stumbled across YouTube stuff yesterday of Elvis Costello (and band) playing with the Police. I think I linked to the "Watching the Detectives/Walking on the Moon" medley. Given the mutual reggae roots it made a lot of sense.
Saw The Police & Elvis last summer. Best Elvis I've seen & I've seen him a lot.
He did "Everyday I Write the Book" which I'd never heard live before. Niccce.
Oh, The Police were pretty good too.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:06:03pm |
re: #672 YoungLibertarian92
I'm really enjoying the new Tiny Tim record that just came out! I love Tiny Tim!
*ASSKICK*
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:06:17pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
Trivia question. What was on the flip side of the Tiny Tim 45 "Tip Toe Through The Tulips?
We'll you've got me. I don't have a record player, I got it on iTunes. But I'm guessing it would probably be "Strawberry Tea" or "The Other Side".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:06:59pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
No clue. But read his wiki page a month or two ago. Was a pretty interesting, pretty smart guy.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:07:14pm |
| 685 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:07:31pm |
Have a good evening lizards. Off to play cribbage with the vets.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:08:33pm |
The collaboration of Green Day & U2 was fine, but the video was ridiculous. As much as they like the idea of our jets being used for peaceful purposes, a fighter jet can't hover & can't land at disaster sites without a landing strip. They would have to just release the supplies, which means the bundles would come down hundreds of feet, and be traveling 800 mph.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:08:50pm |
re: #678 simoom
This is not going to bother me anymore than nose art on bombers. In my book this is a nontroversy, and I hope the worst thing that happens is Trijicon stops engraving the messages. Can we please remember these sights really help our guys win in a firefight?
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Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:09:26pm |
re: #684 filetandrelease
I had a bowl of ishmeal for breakfast, with a side of heavy-on-the-30-weight groat cakes. Yum!
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:09:46pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
Trivia question. What was on the flip side of the Tiny Tim 45 "Tip Toe Through The Tulips?"
I'm thinking it was "Down Below," but I'm not even close to being sure.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:11:44pm |
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:13:15pm |
re: #688 Slap
If I didn't just have some chicken jerky, I'd go get me some of that ishmeal.
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filetandrelease Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:14:58pm |
re: #692 CapeCoddah
Could be my favorite book. Although it has been awhile.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:15:14pm |
re: #682 YoungLibertarian92
We'll you've got me. I don't have a record player, I got it on iTunes. But I'm guessing it would probably be "Strawberry Tea" or "The Other Side".
Nope. (Shameless name dropping) it was a song by a ex-friend of mine (I stress ex) named Biff Rose (and Paul Williams) and the song was "Fill Your Heart."
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:16:21pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Nope. (Shameless name dropping) it was a song by a ex-friend of mine (I stress ex) named Biff Rose (and Paul Williams) and the song was "Fill Your Heart."
Hear it on La La. Google "fill your heart tiny tim"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:16:50pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Oh, shit. Cue Teacake!
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:17:09pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:17:14pm |
re: #696 Walter L. Newton
Hear it on La La. Google "fill your heart tiny tim"
Have you seen my little Sue.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:17:16pm |
re: #687 Rightwingconspirator
This is not going to bother me anymore than nose art on bombers. In my book this is a nontroversy, and I hope the worst thing that happens is Trijicon stops engraving the messages. Can we please remember these sights really help our guys win in a firefight?
Big difference between nose art which is painted on after manufacture then getting scope with pre-inscribed Bible codes made during production. You won't be getting an F-35 with pre-painted nose art that includes a Bible code. If they want to paint this on that's acceptable but they should not be present at point of manufacture. Given that this is manufactured for the DoD and thus represents the nation it is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:18:37pm |
re: #687 Rightwingconspirator
This is not going to bother me anymore than nose art on bombers. In my book this is a nontroversy, and I hope the worst thing that happens is Trijicon stops engraving the messages. Can we please remember these sights really help our guys win in a firefight?
If true, it's WAY beyond inappropriate. The sights, I'm sure, will work fine without scriptual references.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:18:42pm |
re: #697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, shit. Cue Teacake!
You remembered. That's why I stressed "ex," just in case there is any chance that someone other than myself personally knows/knew Biff. I don't want to have to explain all that again.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:19:01pm |
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Slap Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:19:34pm |
re: #676 oaktree
That was a great interview. It's so interesting watching musicians interviewed by accomplished, literate and articulate musicians -- and given that EC and the Police came up at about the same time, there was an added element of camaraderie as well. Also notable is that, during his show with Lou Reed, Costello actually got Lou to LAUGH. (Something interviewers rarely achieve....). Musicians like talking to him.
In the interest of giving credit where it's due, Chris Isaak's show works similarly, and is worth a look.
| 705 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:20:13pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Nope. (Shameless name dropping) it was a song by a ex-friend of mine (I stress ex) named Biff Rose (and Paul Williams) and the song was "Fill Your Heart."
No actually it was a parody song about AGW and the IPCC. :)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:20:23pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Flipping small world. You know Biff Rose?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:21:43pm |
re: #703 Walter L. Newton
NO. I have, packed away an old 78, Nick Lucas...the original version of Tiptoe... reverse of that is "Sue"
Got it from my grandmother.. and forgot it was
Lucas,not Tiny Tim... have not looked at it in years.
Got them confused for a minute
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:22:29pm |
re: #675 Walter L. Newton
Trivia question. What was on the flip side of the Tiny Tim 45 "Tip Toe Through The Tulips?"
the house re-mixx
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:23:24pm |
re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist
If true, it's WAY beyond inappropriate. The sights, I'm sure, will work fine without scriptual references.
I agree, although according to the company they've been doing this for years, long before the military work, on everything the make. Not sure if they publicize it, or if they'd consider removing it if requested.
They certainly didn't dance around the subject when asked.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:23:28pm |
re: #706 Stanley Sea
Flipping small world. You know Biff Rose?
We were good friends for about 6 years. My home in Denver was Biff central for a while. I took care of a lot of his personal business, collected his career memorabilia from around the country, dug up video of him from numerous shows he was on in the late 60's and 70's, took care of his SS and ASCAP/BMI royalties, call me his unofficial business manager during that period. Oh, and he stayed with me off and on (more off than on thank goodness).
You know him?
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:24:18pm |
re: #656 Spare O'Lake
Neil Young and Yoko Ono live from Mecca, screeching out the Call to Prayer, a capella of course.
I just threw up in my mouth.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:24:20pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
I can not take this that seriously. An engraved or painted message on the scope is hardly establishing a state religion. Heck, it's less indicative than "In God We Trust" on the money. Frankly it likely makes them less appealing to the jihadis who steal them from our combat dead or wherever when they can. Perfect.
If Trijicon has to stop this practice fine. Polish or paint the old ones when convenient. Frankly I'd be honored to own one that was really there. Obviously these marks were not obvious even to the user. Trijicon says they have always done this. That is a lot of optics.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:24:40pm |
re: #707 CapeCoddah
NO. I have, packed away an old 78, Nick Lucas...the original version of Tiptoe... reverse of that is "Sue"
Got it from my grandmother.. and forgot it was
Lucas,not Tiny Tim... have not looked at it in years.
Got them confused for a minute
Here is the stats...
1968:
"Tip-Toe Thru The Tulips With Me"/ "Fill Your Heart"- Reprise 0679 (WLP)
"Tip-Toe Thru The Tulips With Me"/ "Fill Your Heart"- Reprise 0679
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:25:00pm |
re: #710 Walter L. Newton
We were good friends for about 6 years. My home in Denver was Biff central for a while. I took care of a lot of his personal business, collected his career memorabilia from around the country, dug up video of him from numerous shows he was on in the late 60's and 70's, took care of his SS and ASCAP/BMI royalties, call me his unofficial business manager during that period. Oh, and he stayed with me off and on (more off than on thank goodness).
You know him?
I'm sending you an email.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:25:33pm |
re: #695 Walter L. Newton
Nope. (Shameless name dropping) it was a song by a ex-friend of mine (I stress ex) named Biff Rose (and Paul Williams) and the song was "Fill Your Heart."
"Lovers never lose. They are freeee!" Great orchestra in the background.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:25:35pm |
re: #709 SixDegrees
I agree, although according to the company they've been doing this for years, long before the military work, on everything the make. Not sure if they publicize it, or if they'd consider removing it if requested.
They certainly didn't dance around the subject when asked.
Oh yeah, this seems to be a long-time custom of theirs. But they need to understand that for military issue, it's inappropriate.
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simoom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:25:39pm |
re: #687 Rightwingconspirator
How will the Iraqi and Afghan security forces will react when they realize they've been wielding bible verse inscribed weapons against fellow Muslims (or did the non-US forces only use the 'holy weapons' in training)?
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:25:40pm |
re: #712 Rightwingconspirator
I can not take this that seriously. An engraved or painted message on the scope is hardly establishing a state religion. Heck, it's less indicative than "In God We Trust" on the money. Frankly it likely makes them less appealing to the jihadis who steal them from our combat dead or wherever when they can. Perfect.
If Trijicon has to stop this practice fine. Polish or paint the old ones when convenient. Frankly I'd be honored to own one that was really there. Obviously these marks were not obvious even to the user. Trijicon says they have always done this. That is a lot of optics.
Well, I don't think I'd go as far as saying they should "recall" the scopes. It should simply stop from this point forward.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:26:13pm |
re: #714 Stanley Sea
I'm sending you an email.
Oh goodness, another disgruntled ex-girlfriend. Please, it's not my fault. :)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:27:25pm |
re: #715 YoungLibertarian92
"Lovers never lose. They are freee!" Great orchestra in the background.
That was the University of Southern California orchestra as per Biff.
| 721 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:27:48pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:28:00pm |
re: #717 simoom
How will the Iraqi and Afghan security forces will react when they realize they've been wielding bible verse inscribed weapons against fellow Muslims (or did the non-US forces only use the 'holy weapons' in training)?
I say we don't tell them.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:28:20pm |
re: #719 Walter L. Newton
Oh goodness, another disgruntled ex-girlfriend. Please, it's not my fault. :)
NO!!!! Actually more "family" related!
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bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:28:24pm |
re: #604 SixDegrees
Normally, bids below the seller's asking price are subject to counter-bids for a certain period of time.
I suspect that a short sale is one in which such time windows are dispensed with, and the seller is free to simply accept an offer immediately, rather than risk losing the sale should another bid not occur within the window, or if a counter-bid comes in, but doesn't survive further examination.
Guessing, but that sort of arrangement would make sense in the present market.
Not exactly. Rather, a Short Sale means the the lender has agreed to accept less that the total amount due, and the sale is processed like a normal house sale which does not destroy the home owners credit.
Short Sale is like an emergency exit for the home-owner just short of foreclosure.
| 725 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:28:55pm |
| 726 |
simoom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:29:36pm |
re: #722 SanFranciscoZionist
I say we don't tell them.
I think ABC News just took that out of our hands though. I can't see how this won't be hitting middle eastern media soon.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:29:54pm |
re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh yeah, this seems to be a long-time custom of theirs. But they need to understand that for military issue, it's inappropriate.
Actually, if they're to make special arrangements for military issue, that needs to be spelled out in the contract if doing so deviates from their normal manufacturing practices. If this is what they've done all along, there would be no reason for them to leave it off unless they were specifically asked.
I bet the original samples that were sent during bidding bore the same markings. The onus here, it seems to me, is on the government for not inspecting the work thoroughly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:31:11pm |
re: #727 SixDegrees
Actually, if they're to make special arrangements for military issue, that needs to be spelled out in the contract if doing so deviates from their normal manufacturing practices. If this is what they've done all along, there would be no reason for them to leave it off unless they were specifically asked.
I bet the original samples that were sent during bidding bore the same markings. The onus here, it seems to me, is on the government for not inspecting the work thoroughly.
Mistakes were made. Let's fix this one, and move on.
| 729 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:31:47pm |
re: #723 Stanley Sea
NO!!! Actually more "family" related!
I can't wait for the email. You know, Biff, in my opinion, is a musical genius, an extremely creative piano player, one of the more clever wordsmiths that ever came down the pike, but he's certifiably NUTS, and that in itself has caused more meltdowns in both his career and his personal life. It's was like knowing Mozart and knowing that this dude is never going to end anything on an up note, it's all rise, then crash and burn. Tragic actually.
| 730 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:31:58pm |
re: #717 simoom
Let's wait and see if they do have a big problem with it. So far nada.
Apologies may be in order. But that would be all. Guessing from the photographs I can find fast they get AK's and local made gear anyway. Let's remember it's not as if the words have any magic power. Inscription or not there is no Jesus in the gun.
| 731 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:33:46pm |
re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist
Mistakes were made. Let's fix this one, and move on.
Now that it's come to light, the government can request a contract alteration. Or, it can wait until the current contract expires, and insert a clause dealing with the engravings at that time.
Most contractors prefer to honor alteration requests. They bring in additional revenue (since they're out of scope of the original contract) and complying with them in a timely fashion helps your ranking when bidding time rolls around again.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:35:56pm |
re: #729 Walter L. Newton
I can't wait for the email. You know, Biff, in my opinion, is a musical genius, an extremely creative piano player, one of the more clever wordsmiths that ever came down the pike, but he's certifiably NUTS, and that in itself has caused more meltdowns in both his career and his personal life. It's was like knowing Mozart and knowing that this dude is never going to end anything on an up note, it's all rise, then crash and burn. Tragic actually.
Sent - it is a small world, really.
| 733 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:39:35pm |
re: #702 Walter L. Newton
Yeah. That was my weirdest night ever on LGF.
| 734 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:39:55pm |
re: #370 Obdicut
I don't think that claim is supported. The claim that glaciers are, in general, experiencing high degrees of melting is strongly supported by science, though. Specific claims about when the Himalayan glaciers will melt being wrong doesn't affect the overall science of the melting of glaciers in general.
Saying the Himalayan glaciers are going to dissappear in 25 years and giving a greater than 90% confidence level, when the the actual science indicates this will require a period of centuries, or even millennium, if ever, absolutely calls into question the reliability of the IPCC in its role to advise policy makers on the state of climate science.
It is yet another blow to the value of the IPCC, on which massive public policy and massive economic changes are predicated. Together with the Climategate fall-out which call into questions one of the key data sets the IPCC AV4 relies upon, the document is at best in limbo, and in reality nothing more than toilet paper.
| 736 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:40:37pm |
Attn lizards who are on Facebook: Please vote for Friendship Circle for Chase Community Giving.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:41:20pm |
re: #732 Stanley Sea
Sent - it is a small world, really.
More than likely I know you, or know of you, or you play some part in one of his songs or raps or poems. This should be interesting.
Did you know I produced one of his CD's. In 2000. I still have a little over 100 fresh copies in a case, unsold. All new material too!
| 738 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:42:29pm |
re: #737 Walter L. Newton
Okay is sixdegrees (of separation) in this?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:44:29pm |
re: #738 Rightwingconspirator
Okay is sixdegrees (of separation) in this?
I don't know, I'll have to wait for SS's email.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:44:57pm |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
I don't know, I'll have to wait for SS's email.
Sent to acrossthebow. That's the one?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:45:19pm |
re: #739 Obdicut
Did you read Charles's post?
The AGW thought police is on top of the issue. Hi Obdicut, laying in wait huh.
| 743 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:45:32pm |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
May be I should have typed SixDegrees. :)
| 744 |
avanti Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:45:56pm |
O.T. My son gets some good local press for his song writing/singing.
| 745 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:46:28pm |
re: #741 Stanley Sea
Sent to acrossthebow. That's the one?
Yep, but my email server is really slow. I've sometimes had to wait a few hours for it to get to me, sometimes I get it pronto. I'll respond as soon as I get it.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:47:01pm |
| 747 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:47:09pm |
re: #745 Walter L. Newton
Cool! I emailed the "person in common" too!
| 748 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:47:27pm |
re: #744 avanti
Congrats! Hopefully just the first of many.
| 749 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:47:29pm |
re: #742 Walter L. Newton
What on earth are you talking about? How is me referencing Charles's post being the "AGW thought police"?
You're in a damn strange mood today.
| 750 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:49:15pm |
Well, the wind is blowing like mad here in SoCal - wondering how those north of me - LA county - are faring?
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Locker Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:53:09pm |
re: #750 Stanley Sea
Well, the wind is blowing like mad here in SoCal - wondering how those north of me - LA county - are faring?
Well it's windy and raining here NE of Sacramento... and I'm hungry. Sandwich time!
| 753 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:53:20pm |
re: #749 Obdicut
What on earth are you talking about? How is me referencing Charles's post being the "AGW thought police"?
You're in a damn strange mood today.
You have no sense of humor, or any clue, do you?
| 754 |
avanti Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:53:31pm |
re: #746 HoosierHoops
Wow! Too Cool.. you must be very proud
Proud and surprised, I could not carry a tune in a suitcase.
| 755 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:54:13pm |
re: #750 Stanley Sea
Well, the wind is blowing like mad here in SoCal - wondering how those north of me - LA county - are faring?
2 inches of rain in the past 24 hours. Tornado watch has been issued.
Cold & wet predicted for the whole WEEK. We don't do rain, lots of rain, well, here!
| 756 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:54:23pm |
re: #752 Locker
Well it's windy and raining here NE of Sacramento... and I'm hungry. Sandwich time!
Better call my pops in Napa tonight and see if he is doing ok
| 757 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:55:18pm |
re: #750 Stanley Sea
Downtown LA is windy and drenched, at some parts of Toluca Lake are without power. I might not be posting from home tonight. But sometimes they get it fixed fast.
| 759 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:55:45pm |
re: #756 HoosierHoops
Yes, I'm sure he'd enjoy hearing from you!
Hiya Hoops!
| 760 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:56:33pm |
re: #758 RogueOne
No.
Then don't, I don't give a shit, I was giving that info to those who were interested.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:56:59pm |
re: #739 Obdicut
Did you read Charles's post?
Yes, he said "don't feed the trolls", I do realise that I am avoiding his advice by responding to you. But the truth is important.
| 762 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:57:17pm |
re: #753 Walter L. Newton
Yes, Walter. You nailed it. It is the pain of my life to life without a sense of humor, or any clue. I'm not actually typing this sentence, also, I'm simply accidentally forming words as I rub my face over the keyboard. I'm simply one long string of statistical improbabilities, all summing to give the indication of intelligence. (But not too much.)
I do have one clue, however: I know that the one-armed man was someone that Laura Palmer knew already. And that the log knows something. So two clues.
/
| 763 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:58:03pm |
re: #742 Walter L. Newton
The AGW thought police is on top of the issue. Hi Obdicut, laying in wait huh.
The True faith™ must be defended at all costs!
BBL
| 764 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:58:12pm |
re: #513 Charles
By the way -- here's a little perspective on the flawed prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. This prediction is quoted exactly once in an IPCC report -- and not in any of the technical summaries, which are more widely read, but only on page 493 of Chapter 10 of this very lengthy report on the impacts of climate change (PDF).
So yes, it's a breakdown in the scientific vetting process for these kinds of claims, but on the other hand it's being VASTLY exaggerated and blown up into a huge issue, far beyond what is warranted.
But that's what climate deniers do, so it's not surprising.
I was looking at the actual reference you linked yesterday and it is indeed only a small part of a rather vast document. Many groups will think that Glaciergate will be a smoking gun but they fail to see the overall picture of AGW. The minutia that is the Himalayan Glacier (WWF) entry is not a universality of the IPCC nor of the vast body of AGW research. There will be errors such as it is with all large bodies of work.
| 765 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:58:15pm |
re: #759 Floral Giraffe
Yes, I'm sure he'd enjoy hearing from you!
Hiya Hoops!
Hiya Floral! I usually check the Napa Register every day for local news and weather...I forgot today...On my to-do list...
Hope today finds you well
| 766 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:00:49pm |
re: #762 Obdicut
Yes, Walter. You nailed it. It is the pain of my life to life without a sense of humor, or any clue. I'm not actually typing this sentence, also, I'm simply accidentally forming words as I rub my face over the keyboard. I'm simply one long string of statistical improbabilities, all summing to give the indication of intelligence. (But not too much.)
I do have one clue, however: I know that the one-armed man was someone that Laura Palmer knew already. And that the log knows something. So two clues.
/
Do I have to explain this to you too? It was her father who was sexually abusing her and she built a denial character of her attacker called BOB, to shield her from the truth.
Shameless name dropping again... the guy that played Pete Martell (JAck Nance) was a good friend of mine... he's dead.
| 767 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:03:27pm |
re: #763 Bagua
The True faith™ must be defended at all costs!
BBL
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it?
| 768 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:05:17pm |
re: #767 Gus 802
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it?
and squeeze don't jerk...
| 769 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:05:17pm |
re: #764 Gus 802
I was looking at the actual reference you linked yesterday and it is indeed only a small part of a rather vast document. Many groups will think that Glaciergate will be a smoking gun but they fail to see the overall picture of AGW. The minutia that is the Himalayan Glacier (WWF) entry is not a universality of the IPCC nor of the vast body of AGW research. There will be errors such as it is with all large bodies of work.
Glaciergate is no smoking gun, it does not deny or destroy the AGW meme, but it does question what the IPCC will accept as valid data.
That's non-debatable in this case. "Leading glaciologists say the report has caused confusion and "a catalogue of errors in Himalayan glaciology"."
From the always anti-AGW, conservative arm of the Murdoch cabal... the BBC...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
| 770 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:05:40pm |
re: #764 Gus 802
Eventually they're going to get second-hand smoking-gun syndrome. Indications of this include increased jerkiness in the knee area as well as a narrowing of vision and a difficulty in distinguishing certain sounds, such as the word 'consensus'.
| 771 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:06:36pm |
re: #750 Stanley Sea
Well, the wind is blowing like mad here in SoCal - wondering how those north of me - LA county - are faring?
Same. Wet, windy.
| 772 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:07:58pm |
re: #770 Obdicut
Eventually they're going to get second-hand smoking-gun syndrome. Indications of this include increased jerkiness in the knee area as well as a narrowing of vision and a difficulty in distinguishing certain sounds, such as the word 'consensus'.
second-hand smoking-gun syndrome?
/Busted! your Mikey Bloomberg ain't you?
| 773 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:09:31pm |
| 774 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:09:57pm |
re: #770 Obdicut
Eventually they're going to get second-hand smoking-gun syndrome. Indications of this include increased jerkiness in the knee area as well as a narrowing of vision and a difficulty in distinguishing certain sounds, such as the word 'consensus'.
Yes... like this "consensus," which doesn't seem to exist... "Leading glaciologists say the report has caused confusion and "a catalogue of errors in Himalayan glaciology".
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
But, if we keep saying the word over and over consensus, consensus, consensus, consensus... maybe it will become true.
| 775 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:10:01pm |
re: #772 brookly red
Hey, I bought that extra term fair and square. You have to call me Mr. Mayor!
/
Not a New Yorker, so I don't actually know how his end-run around term-limits was seen by people. I'm assuming it was seen as kind of bad.
| 776 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:11:04pm |
re: #775 Obdicut
Hey, I bought that extra term fair and square. You have to call me Mr. Mayor!
/
Not a New Yorker, so I don't actually know how his end-run around term-limits was seen by people. I'm assuming it was seen as kind of bad.
we hated it, but we hated the other guy more...
| 777 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:12:40pm |
re: #776 brookly red
I hope you eventually get a candidate you don't hate at all. I know how futile that hope probably is. Waiting For Godot ain't just a play.
| 778 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:12:43pm |
| 779 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:13:38pm |
re: #682 YoungLibertarian92
We'll you've got me. I don't have a record player, I got it on iTunes. But I'm guessing it would probably be "Strawberry Tea" or "The Other Side".
It was Purple Rain.
| 780 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:14:00pm |
re: #777 Obdicut
I hope you eventually get a candidate you don't hate at all. I know how futile that hope probably is. Waiting For Godot ain't just a play.
hey it's the current state of American politics... which one of these 2 a-holes will do less damage?
| 781 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:14:04pm |
re: #769 Walter L. Newton
Glaciergate is no smoking gun, it does not deny or destroy the AGW meme, but it does question what the IPCC will accept as valid data.
That's non-debatable in this case. "Leading glaciologists say the report has caused confusion and "a catalogue of errors in Himalayan glaciology"."
From the always anti-AGW, conservative arm of the Murdoch cabal... the BBC...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
I've been looking through the internet and there are many people that are considering this to be a smoking gun. It includes the discrediting of the 4th IPCC report (AR4) as well as the character assassination of Rajendra Pachauri.
Yes, the BBC reports it so it not from the worrisome "Murdoch cabal." I am aware of the fact that the glacier report is wrong and is being reviewed by the internationalist cabal, the United Nations.
| 782 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:14:38pm |
re: #771 Racer X
I think it is over for a few hours anyway. The big squall lines are through LA
| 783 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:16:56pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
Big difference between nose art which is painted on after manufacture then getting scope with pre-inscribed Bible codes made during production. You won't be getting an F-35 with pre-painted nose art that includes a Bible code. If they want to paint this on that's acceptable but they should not be present at point of manufacture. Given that this is manufactured for the DoD and thus represents the nation it is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause.
I'd like to see a link.
People make crap like this up day and night on the 'Tubes.
| 784 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:17:51pm |
re: #783 ryannon
I'd like to see a link.
People make crap like this up day and night on the 'Tubes.
For the Bible codes? I posted one in the spin off links.
| 785 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:18:31pm |
re: #781 Gus 802
I've been looking through the internet and there are many people that are considering this to be a smoking gun. It includes the discrediting of the 4th IPCC report (AR4) as well as the character assassination of Rajendra Pachauri.
Yes, the BBC reports it so it not from the worrisome "Murdoch cabal." I am aware of the fact that the glacier report is wrong and is being reviewed by the internationalist cabal, the United Nations.
Gus...
The 4th IPCC report (AR4), released in 2007, has been criticized for years, and successfully so... this is only a recent dent in it's armor. And the criticisms have come from it won authors themselves.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 786 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:20:01pm |
re: #523 Walter L. Newton
I don't know if this is a huge issue. If it is discovered that vetting on this Chapter went astray, then it's a mistake, plain and simple. If it is discovered that that sort of mistake is repeated many times over in other IPCC publications, articles, debates and it's science, then the problem may just be huge.
But ignoring it is not an option in my opinion.
I strongly recommend reading the document I linked, to see just how tiny a part of the chapter the Himalayan glacier prediction is. And I mean tiny.
This is why I'm pointing out this particular issue is being wildly, insanely exaggerated. It's not only not a huge issue, it's almost completely insignificant. It will be addressed, as it should be, but it tells you nothing about the general processes used by climatologists, and nothing about the validity of any other information.
| 787 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:20:52pm |
re: #784 Gus 802
For the Bible codes? I posted one in the spin off links.
randomly type 6 keystokes, & someone can make a biblical reference, sheesh.
| 788 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:22:04pm |
re: #787 brookly red
randomly type 6 keystokes, & someone can make a biblical reference, sheesh.
The manufacturer admitted it.
| 789 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:23:06pm |
| 790 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:23:36pm |
re: #774 Walter L. Newton
Yes... like this "consensus," which doesn't seem to exist... "Leading glaciologists say the report has caused confusion and "a catalogue of errors in Himalayan glaciology".
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
But, if we keep saying the word over and over consensus, consensus, consensus, consensus... maybe it will become true.
Sorry, Walter, now you're going overboard.
You may not want to acknowledge it, but the fact is that there is an absolutely overwhelming scientific consensus on the reality and causes of global warming.
| 791 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:23:45pm |
re: #787 brookly red
randomly type 6 keystokes, & someone can make a biblical reference, sheesh.
These are inscribed onto the scopes. Two things are a factor here, a) these are provided for the DoD and b) separation of church and state. This is clearly an endorsement of one religion regardless of how cryptic these inscriptions may be.
| 792 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:24:18pm |
Trijicon confirmed to ABCNews.com that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.
| 793 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:24:20pm |
re: #789 brookly red
OK well that is a different story...
If only they had etched 'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition' on the scopes.
/
| 794 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:24:26pm |
| 795 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:24:52pm |
re: #769 Walter L. Newton
Glaciergate is no smoking gun, it does not deny or destroy the AGW meme, but it does question what the IPCC will accept as valid data.
That's non-debatable in this case. "Leading glaciologists say the report has caused confusion and "a catalogue of errors in Himalayan glaciology"."
From the always anti-AGW, conservative arm of the Murdoch cabal... the BBC...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Glancing through the reference section of the PDF chapter referenced above, I note that there are a number of peer-reviewed journals cited, along with a number of less critical sources - websites, popular magazines and newspapers, trade publications, CD ROMs - and some whose provenance I can only guess at.
Given the endless harangues to just "accept the science," the wide use of material from well outside the scientific mainstream doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Particularly when the sources, peer-reviewed or not, deny ever making the statements ascribed to them in the first place.
| 796 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:24:59pm |
re: #786 Charles
I strongly recommend reading the document I linked, to see just how tiny a part of the chapter the Himalayan glacier prediction is. And I mean tiny.
This is why I'm pointing out this particular issue is being wildly, insanely exaggerated. It's not only not a huge issue, it's almost completely insignificant. It will be addressed, as it should be, but it tells you nothing about the general processes used by climatologists, and nothing about the validity of any other information.
Well, I'm not wildly, insanely exaggerating anything. I've linked to three articles, one that is two months old. The mistake itself may be insignificant, but it illuminates a possible problem that may or may not be part of other reports and other protocol and process.
We will see.
| 797 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:25:38pm |
re: #791 Gus 802
These are inscribed onto the scopes. Two things are a factor here, a) these are provided for the DoD and b) separation of church and state. This is clearly an endorsement of one religion regardless of how cryptic these inscriptions may be.
well the DoD also issues prayer books so I don't think the seperation thing works here...
| 798 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:26:25pm |
re: #784 Gus 802
For the Bible codes? I posted one in the spin off links.
Oh. I thought that was just pretty blue highlighting.
/
A bit distracted, tonight.
| 799 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:26:59pm |
re: #797 brookly red
well the DoD also issues prayer books so I don't think the seperation thing works here...
I don't agree with that either. Unless of course we want to go full force on creating a Dominionist nation and throw out the Establishment Clause while we're at it.
| 800 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:27:18pm |
re: #797 brookly red
well the DoD also issues prayer books so I don't think the seperation thing works here...
Does the DoD issue religious material for other faiths?
| 801 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:28:48pm |
re: #799 Gus 802
I don't agree with that either. Unless of course we want to go full force on creating a Dominionist nation and throw out the Establishment Clause while we're at it.
they issue prayer book in most major denominations... I said prayer books not bibles, Next.
| 802 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:28:49pm |
re: #790 Charles
Sorry, Walter, now you're going overboard.
You may not want to acknowledge it, but the fact is that there is an absolutely overwhelming scientific consensus on the reality and causes of global warming.
How many times have I said up thread that I do not deny global warming or the science? How many time up thread have I said I am questioning process and procedure as it pertains to the data collected about the Himalayan melting? How many time up thread have I said that my the focus of my comments have been these three articles and this issue?
I have not tried to go overboard, and my consensus remark was also in regards to the Himalayan warming. The quote I posted and linked to indicate that it is not a consensus.
Once again, I was not talking about AGW.
| 803 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:29:04pm |
| 804 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:29:33pm |
re: #762 Obdicut
Yes, Walter. You nailed it. It is the pain of my life to life without a sense of humor, or any clue. I'm not actually typing this sentence, also, I'm simply accidentally forming words as I rub my face over the keyboard. I'm simply one long string of statistical improbabilities, all summing to give the indication of intelligence. (But not too much.)
I do have one clue, however: I know that the one-armed man was someone that Laura Palmer knew already. And that the log knows something. So two clues.
/
THiiIIIIS issS A fooRrrMiCA TaaAABLE... gREEN ISSzz ITSZ CoooLOOR!!
| 805 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:29:50pm |
re: #786 Charles
I strongly recommend reading the document I linked, to see just how tiny a part of the chapter the Himalayan glacier prediction is. And I mean tiny.
This is why I'm pointing out this particular issue is being wildly, insanely exaggerated. It's not only not a huge issue, it's almost completely insignificant. It will be addressed, as it should be, but it tells you nothing about the general processes used by climatologists, and nothing about the validity of any other information.
It does, though, say a good deal about the processes used by the IPCC. My opinion of their work is currently somewhat diminished by this incident. How much remains to be seen, and will be determined largely by the IPCC's response to this matter.
| 807 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:30:00pm |
| 808 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:31:51pm |
re: #800 MandyManners
Does the DoD issue religious material for other faiths?
yes...
well so much for that.
| 809 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:32:19pm |
re: #805 SixDegrees
It does, though, say a good deal about the processes used by the IPCC. My opinion of their work is currently somewhat diminished by this incident. How much remains to be seen, and will be determined largely by the IPCC's response to this matter.
To hell with the Himalayas. They'll all be underwater in 2012 anyway.
| 810 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:32:33pm |
Latest poll... Brown up by nine.
I hope he's not a moron.
| 811 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:32:33pm |
re: #805 SixDegrees
It does, though, say a good deal about the processes used by the IPCC. My opinion of their work is currently somewhat diminished by this incident. How much remains to be seen, and will be determined largely by the IPCC's response to this matter.
That's the only point that I have been defending, the same point you are making. Over and over I am being accused of denying global warming when I am not even discussing that issue. Some comments back to me have been purposefully talking around the topic and not addressing what I am saying.
| 812 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:32:45pm |
| 813 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:32:51pm |
re: #801 brookly red
they issue prayer book in most major denominations... I said prayer books not bibles, Next.
Next? If they hand out booklets for all religions then that's fine. I have in mind "Petraeus" and "A Spiritual Handbook for Military Personnel ".
But that's not the issue here. The issue is having Bible codes on rifle scopes.
| 814 |
TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:33:08pm |
re: #810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Latest poll... Brown up by nine.
I hope he's not a moron.
If he defeats this health care bill, he will have already succeeded in his term as Senator.
| 815 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:34:42pm |
re: #797 brookly red
well the DoD also issues prayer books so I don't think the seperation thing works here...
Do they issue Christian prayerbooks to non-Christian personnel?
| 816 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:35:22pm |
re: #813 Gus 802
Next? If they hand out booklets for all religions then that's fine. I have in mind "Petraeus" and "A Spiritual Handbook for Military Personnel ".
But that's not the issue here. The issue is having Bible codes on rifle scopes.
/OK, were are wrong... let's surrender.
| 817 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:38:38pm |
| 818 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:38:48pm |
"Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as 'the light of the world.' John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, 'Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.' "
KAPOW!
And have a nice day.
| 819 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:39:14pm |
re: #809 ryannon
To hell with the Himalayas. They'll all be underwater in 2012 anyway.
In an interesting aside: the uplift of the Himalayas, caused by the collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia, is a key piece of evidence for continental drift.
And Alfred Wegener, the original proponent of continental drift, was utterly vilified and scorned for proposing this theory, and the ridicule - real, vitriolic, nasty ridicule - didn't abate until decades after his death. That the source of that vilification was the scientific community, including such luminaries as George Gaylord Simpson, is a stain that's not going away anytime soon.
Alfred Lothar Wegener - Science Denier.
| 820 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:40:45pm |
re: #819 SixDegrees
In an interesting aside: the uplift of the Himalayas, caused by the collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia, is a key piece of evidence for continental drift.
And Alfred Wegener, the original proponent of continental drift, was utterly vilified and scorned for proposing this theory, and the ridicule - real, vitriolic, nasty ridicule - didn't abate until decades after his death. That the source of that vilification was the scientific community, including such luminaries as George Gaylord Simpson, is a stain that's not going away anytime soon.
Alfred Lothar Wegener - Science Denier.
I learn my science at the movies.
/
And thank you for an interesting comment.
| 821 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:42:40pm |
re: #819 SixDegrees
In an interesting aside: the uplift of the Himalayas, caused by the collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia, is a key piece of evidence for continental drift.
And Alfred Wegener, the original proponent of continental drift, was utterly vilified and scorned for proposing this theory, and the ridicule - real, vitriolic, nasty ridicule - didn't abate until decades after his death. That the source of that vilification was the scientific community, including such luminaries as George Gaylord Simpson, is a stain that's not going away anytime soon.
Alfred Lothar Wegener - Science Denier.
Homer's grandfather.
| 822 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:44:14pm |
I killed the thread.
And there's no new one on the horizon.
(ducks and covers)
| 823 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:44:50pm |
re: #818 ryannon
"Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as 'the light of the world.' John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, 'Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.' "
KAPOW!
And have a nice day.
Every Military shell should have the words silk screened on them ' Have a nice day' The generic non-religious message to our enemies should be deployed as soon as possible...It's the least we could do..
/
| 824 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:45:48pm |
538 Model Posits Brown as 3:1 Favorite
The FiveThirtyEight Senate Forecasting Model, which correctly predicted the outcome of all 35 Senate races in 2008, now regards Republican Scott Brown as a 74 percent favorite to win the Senate seat in Massachusetts on the basis of new polling from ARG, Research 2000 and InsiderAdvantage which show worsening numbers for Brown's opponent, Martha Coakley. We have traditionally categorized races in which one side has between a 60 and 80 percent chance of winning as "leaning" toward that candidate, and so that is how we categorize this race now: Lean GOP. Nevertheless, there is a higher-than-usual chance of large, correlated errors in the polling, such as were observed in NY-23 and the New Hampshire Democratic primary; the model hedges against this risk partially, but not completely.
Hopefully this won't derail healthcare reform.
| 825 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:46:22pm |
re: #819 SixDegrees
The main problem Wegener had was that he lacked any proof of a mechanism, and any more than circumstantial evidence for his hypothesis. When the evidence started to pile up in the 1950s, Wegener got restored to grace.
Darwin had a similar problem, in a way; he had no clue of the mechanism by which natural selection happened, and it took until the Modern Synthesis for an explanation of mechanism to be meshed with natural selection. It's too bad that Wegener and Darwin both died before the mechanism of action for their ideas were proved.
| 826 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:47:00pm |
re: #821 ryannon
Homer's grandfather.
Heh.
Simpson is actually the author of one of my favorite books, Attending Marvels, the story of his journeys through early 20th century Patagonia that took him through war zones, bad food and an insane camp cook determined to kill their entire party while in search of fossils. Sadly out of print, although it's easy to find in the used market. It was written for a popular audience, and was wildly successful when published. Highly recommended.
| 827 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:47:00pm |
re: #823 HoosierHoops
Every Military shell should have the words silk screened on them ' Have a nice day' The generic non-religious message to our enemies should be deployed as soon as possible...It's the least we could do..
/
/no room now that we gotta put Miranda rights on em...
| 828 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:47:34pm |
| 829 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:49:12pm |
re: #828 ryannon
Anything can happen with the election but Healthcare reform will probably go through anyways.
| 830 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:49:24pm |
The pressure by 11 Palestinian groups came as Amnesty International accused Israel of "suffocating" Gaza with its blockade of the 1.4 million Palestinians there. The rights group urged Israel to lift blockade in a statement coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the end of the war.
Israel and Egypt have kept Gaza virtually sealed since Hamas seized control of the territory in 2007. Since the takeover, individual Palestinian groups have criticized Hamas for human rights violations.
The joint call on Hamas was unusual, however, as Palestinian and Israeli rights groups have mostly focused on Israel's alleged violations in the war. Hamas is unlikely to agree to an independent investigation.
SNIP
| 831 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:49:28pm |
re: #824 Killgore Trout
538 Model Posits Brown as 3:1 Favorite
Hopefully this won't derail healthcare reform.
3:1 it will.
| 832 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:50:44pm |
re: #824 Killgore Trout
538 Model Posits Brown as 3:1 Favorite
Hopefully this won't derail healthcare reform.
Derail it? Both sides agree reform is needed.
One side has been cutting deals in back rooms behind closed doors - even though they promised us they would never do that.
Here's to open and honest debate, and to a solution that meets the needs of those who are truly in need.
| 833 |
Bear Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:51:25pm |
re: #819 SixDegrees
Yes he was considered to be a bit off thinking continents could move. However there were many strange things that at that time could not be explained. Such as sedimentary rock formations whose material were eroded from some unknown source out in the present day oceans. AS one source called I believe Cascadia in the Pacific and another to the East of North America.
| 834 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:52:11pm |
| 835 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:52:36pm |
re: #829 Killgore Trout
Anything can happen with the election but Healthcare reform will probably go through anyways.
I can no longer think clearly about the subject.
Luckily, I don't have to: "socialized" medicine has worked well enough for me.
But it still pains me to see the country torn apart over issues like these.
| 836 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:52:58pm |
re: #831 brookly red
3:1 it will.
Depends on whether the Massachusetts Dems go forward with their plan to delay certification of the election until after the health care vote, which they have threatened to do.
Even so, the GOP has no reason to get cocky. There are at least a couple of it's own members likely to cross the aisle, and it would behoove GOP leadership to woo defectors from the Democratic side themselves.
| 837 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:53:25pm |
re: #832 Racer X
Derail it? Both sides agree reform is needed.
Not really, the Tea Parties and Republicans want the status quo/do nothing approach. If the current Dem plan fails to go through now then nothing is going happen.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:54:00pm |
re: #810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
FBV... met him several times. I am working for him. I have had him sitting a couple of chairs from me making calls himself, and had lunch with him and the other staffers, usually 3 or 4 other folks at the Hyannis office, the size of a bedroom three or four times.. he does so that every campaign office. I promise you, on my granddaughters head, he is no idiot. He is a nice, funny, everyday guy. Extremely approachable.
He is the real deal.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:54:03pm |
re: #829 Killgore Trout
Anything can happen with the election but Healthcare reform will probably go through anyways.
From day one we will have to reform heath care reform...Everybody knows it.. That the problem with absolute power.. With just a few more (R)'s everybody would be forced to the table and then we would get a balanced bill.. America was born upon Compromise. It's where we get our best and most fair laws...
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #837 Killgore Trout
Not really, the Tea Parties and Republicans want the status quo/do nothing approach. If the current Dem plan fails to go through now then nothing is going happen.
Well, we can debate the intentions of both sides all day, but reality is health care reform is coming. It will happen.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:56:59pm |
re: #839 HoosierHoops
From day one we will have to reform heath care reform...Everybody knows it.. That the problem with absolute power.. With just a few more (R)'s everybody would be forced to the table and then we would get a balanced bill.. America was born upon Compromise. It's where we get our best and most fair laws...
Very well said!
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:57:26pm |
re: #781 Gus 802
I've been looking through the internet and there are many people that are considering this to be a smoking gun. It includes the discrediting of the 4th IPCC report (AR4) as well as the character assassination of Rajendra Pachauri.
Yes, the BBC reports it so it not from the worrisome "Murdoch cabal." I am aware of the fact that the glacier report is wrong and is being reviewed by the internationalist cabal, the United Nations.
Of course it is a "smoking gun" regarding the IPCC AR4, an entire chapter has been falsified and its lead author has even admitted he is not a glacier expert.
To sweep it under the rug with spin is to avoid the obvious, the document is compromised, yet again. Discard it and start over.
That the chairman of the IPCC has been revealed to have massive conflicts of interest, direct ties with Big Oil and has been profiteer on his recommendations no less than Al Gore is a massive scandal, you can call it "character assassination" that is more spin. It is much bigger than Gore because the VP was acting as a private citisen. Pacauri was abusing the public trust.
If it was a "denier" with even a fraction of the dirt found on Pachauri the warmist crowd would be howling that he is an industry shill and fully corrupt.
This is as big a Oil for Fraud which the UN last perpetrated, only involving vastly more money and directly impacting the economies of the free world.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:58:08pm |
re: #836 SixDegrees
Depends on whether the Massachusetts Dems go forward with their plan to delay certification of the election until after the health care vote, which they have threatened to do.
Even so, the GOP has no reason to get cocky. There are at least a couple of it's own members likely to cross the aisle, and it would behoove GOP leadership to woo defectors from the Democratic side themselves.
delay the certification? well on one hand they wouldn't dare... but on the other hand how can they not? it must be one of those quagmires they alway talk about.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:00:44pm |
re: #816 brookly red
/OK, were are wrong... let's surrender.
Not sure what you mean by this but the point isn't to surrender. I believe it is a manufacturing process that should be stopped if it is used to equip our troops. The soldiers are free to personalize their own equipment within standards and if they want to put their own religious messages I think that's perfectly fine.
That being said one of my favorite scenes from Saving Private Ryan is when Private Jackson (sniper) quotes Psalms before meeting his end.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:01:38pm |
Delingpole summed it up nicely;
So, to recap: in the course of a garbled phone conversation a scientist accidentally invents a problem that doesn't exist. This gets reported as if gospel in an influential Warmist science magazine and repeated by a Warmist NGO, before being lent the full authority of the IPCC's fourth assessment report which, as we know, can't be wrong because it is vetted by around 2,500 scientists. Then, on the back of this untrue story, the scientist gets a cushy job at the institution whose director is also in charge of the IPCC.
This isn't about science, it is about the corruption of science.
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:02:24pm |
re: #757 Rightwingconspirator
Downtown LA is windy and drenched, at some parts of Toluca Lake are without power. I might not be posting from home tonight. But sometimes they get it fixed fast.
Ah! Toluca Lake and Paty's for breakfast. Old and still occasional stomping ground. Thanks for mentioning.
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studentpatriot Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:03:11pm |
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:03:26pm |
Pope John Paul II gunman released from prisonANKARA, Turkey (AP) - The Turkish man who shot Pope John Paul II nearly 29 years ago emerged from prison Monday, declared himself a messenger from God, then spent his first night of freedom in a luxury hotel room.
Mehmet Ali Agca, 52, said he would talk to the media in the next few days. But it seemed doubtful that his comments would clear up uncertainty over whether he acted alone or had the backing of communist agents, as he once claimed. He has issued contradictory statements over the years and there are questions about his mental health.
Agca shot John Paul on May 13, 1981, as the pope rode in an open car in St. Peter's Square. The pontiff was hit in the abdomen, left hand and right arm.
Snip
Upon his arrival later at the five-star Sheraton hotel, he addressed reporters in English. He had traded the blue sweat shirt he wore when he left jail for a dark blue suit and tie.
"I will meet you in the next three days," Agca said. "In the name of God Almighty, I proclaim the end of the world in this century. All the world will be destroyed, every human being will die. I am not God, I am not son of God, I am Christ eternal."
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:03:49pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
Kerry who?
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:04:30pm |
re: #843 brookly red
delay the certification? well on one hand they wouldn't dare... but on the other hand how can they not? it must be one of those quagmires they alway talk about.
State Dems have already changed the rules for Senate elections - twice - to favor Kennedy's wishes. They've already made this threat. Whether they'll go through with it - and whether the Senate itself will refuse to seat someone in the wake of a large victory margin, refusal of the state to certify notwithstanding - remains to be seen. But it's an option that carries severe consequences with it - backlash would extend nationwide. The Dems might win the health care battle, but wind up losing the war in the midterms, or at least kissing their super-majority goodbye.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:04:36pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:05:03pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
Didn't the tea partiers call themselves 'teabaggers' without even knowing the reference...?
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:05:16pm |
re: #841 Racer X
Very well said!
Thanks! As a lifelong Indy I can tell you something the Dems haven't thought about.. The Risk.. If this bill falls on it's face the last thing the Dems will ever have to worry about is Tea party people...They risk real anger from the middle moderates in America..The Bill better not be a mess...
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:05:18pm |
re: #842 Bagua
Of course it is a "smoking gun" regarding the IPCC AR4, an entire chapter has been falsified and its lead author has even admitted he is not a glacier expert.
To sweep it under the rug with spin is to avoid the obvious, the document is compromised, yet again. Discard it and start over.
That the chairman of the IPCC has been revealed to have massive conflicts of interest, direct ties with Big Oil and has been profiteer on his recommendations no less than Al Gore is a massive scandal, you can call it "character assassination" that is more spin. It is much bigger than Gore because the VP was acting as a private citisen. Pacauri was abusing the public trust.
If it was a "denier" with even a fraction of the dirt found on Pachauri the warmist crowd would be howling that he is an industry shill and fully corrupt.
This is as big a Oil for Fraud which the UN last perpetrated, only involving vastly more money and directly impacting the economies of the free world.
It's not an entire chapter at all. The chapter is Chapter 10 - Asia. The only place it is mentioned is in section 10.6.2 The Himalayan glaciers. Additionally, it is not being swept under the rug.
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studentpatriot Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:05:22pm |
re: #850 brookly red
The infamous "haughty Jon Kerry". Or anyone in politics/on TV named Kerry for that matter.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:05:55pm |
The vile UN screws up and mismanages every field they take an active part in. There is always massive corruption, waste and fraud. Generally, only the tip of the iceberg is ever uncovered. The IPCC is only the latest example.
Disband this fraudulent organisation and let the real science speak for itself, not some corrupt advocacy group full of pomp and self interest.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:12pm |
re: #852 SixDegrees
State Dems have already changed the rules for Senate elections - twice - to favor Kennedy's wishes. They've already made this threat. Whether they'll go through with it - and whether the Senate itself will refuse to seat someone in the wake of a large victory margin, refusal of the state to certify notwithstanding - remains to be seen. But it's an option that carries severe consequences with it - backlash would extend nationwide. The Dems might win the health care battle, but wind up losing the war in the midterms, or at least kissing their super-majority goodbye.
the next few days will be interesting for sure.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:30pm |
re: #854 Varek Raith
Didn't the tea partiers call themselves 'teabaggers' without even knowing the reference...?
I find that hard to believe.
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studentpatriot Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:39pm |
re: #854 Varek Raith
That is probable, but a Senator from New England saying that word at a press conference?
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:48pm |
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:48pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
It has very insulting slang connotations.
I prefer TPers, myself. It harkens back to misspent Devil's Night activities in my youth.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:51pm |
re: #845 Bagua
Delingpole summed it up nicely;
So, to recap: in the course of a garbled phone conversation a scientist accidentally invents a problem that doesn't exist. This gets reported as if gospel in an influential Warmist science magazine and repeated by a Warmist NGO, before being lent the full authority of the IPCC's fourth assessment report which, as we know, can't be wrong because it is vetted by around 2,500 scientists. Then, on the back of this untrue story, the scientist gets a cushy job at the institution whose director is also in charge of the IPCC.
This isn't about science, it is about the corruption of science.
Today I've read about the vetting process of the IPCC and the rules about including non peer reviewed material. At least for me, it was a real eye opener. It's not as fool proof and I have been lead to believe, and this information I have been reading is from IPCC authors and the IPCC's rules themselves.
Eye opener.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:54pm |
re: #853 SanFranciscoZionist
Guten tag Dr Nick!!
I took 3 years of German in high school, and that's one of only a few phrases I can recall...:/
:)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:07:03pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
I'm not offended, and I believe the tea party protesters used it first themselves, but stopped once they were directed to the urban dictionary.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:07:54pm |
re: #857 studentpatriot
The infamous "haughty Jon Kerry". Or anyone in politics/on TV named Kerry for that matter.
I know of this Kerry person of whom you speak... it is just he sooo no longer matters.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:08:11pm |
re: #846 Semper Fi
Anytime. Remember Little Tony's on Lankershim? We still eat there.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:08:28pm |
re: #843 brookly red
"Quagmire"... I seem to remember that word being used by a MA Senator.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:08:34pm |
re: #856 Gus 802
It's not an entire chapter at all. The chapter is Chapter 10 - Asia. The only place it is mentioned is in section 10.6.2 The Himalayan glaciers. Additionally, it is not being swept under the rug.
Not now. When did you hear about it?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:08:45pm |
And sorry, the tea parties are so full of crazy, I just can't show them any respect. They want respect, boot out the crazies...But, they won't, since the crazies organize them!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:09:02pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
My vote?
Uncouth. Sex act based insult. Ugliest blush Rachael Maddow ever had.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:09:17pm |
re: #867 Stanley Sea
I'm not offended, and I believe the tea party protesters used it first themselves, but stopped once they were directed to the urban dictionary.
except for the Hollywood teabaggers...They loved it
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:09:40pm |
re: #859 brookly red
the next few days will be interesting for sure.
If Brown wins.. the next few days will be a bloodbath. Politically.
The state has made it clear they WILL delay his swearing in, and Sen. Kirk has vowed to refuse to vacate the seat until after the vote.
The last special election, 3 years ago, was the widow of Rep. Paul Tsongas, Nikki Tsongas. She was voted in during a special election, like this one, and was sworn in 48 hours later to vote to override a Bush veto for increased SCHIP funding.
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studentpatriot Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:09:40pm |
re: #868 brookly red
I know of this Kerry person of whom you speak... it is just he sooo no longer matters.
Ah, sarcasm is hard for me to discern on Monday evenings after work...
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:09:58pm |
re: #856 Gus 802
It's not an entire chapter at all. The chapter is Chapter 10 - Asia. The only place it is mentioned is in section 10.6.2 The Himalayan glaciers. Additionally, it is not being swept under the rug.
10.6 is a sub-chapter of chapter 10, one of eight. If there is a more accurate label for this chapter than I am happy to use it. Either way, it is toilet paper.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:10:00pm |
re: #849 Racer X
The answer to all the question is "there are questions about his mental health."
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:10:23pm |
re: #97 thedopefishlives
It's a common argument anti-AGW'ers make. "Well, this one tiny point that AGW proponents make is wrong, so that means the whole argument is wrong!"
Well, it is actually more anal than even that. There is ample evidence that the Himalayas are melting, like all the other icy areas on the planet (see Gus put up one link in the spin-offs), and indeed what was written in the IPCC 4th report may very well turn out to be true.
It is simply the technicality that a non-peer reviewed paper was used as a source that has sent the denial-o-sphere into their current rage.
What the denial-o-sphere intentionally ignore is that the research post-AR4 inclusion process tends to be much gloomier about ice loss (and AGW in general) than that included in AR4.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:10:28pm |
re: #874 HoosierHoops
except for the Hollywood teabaggers...They loved it
Nom Nom Nom . . . . .oh spew!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:10:52pm |
re: #854 Varek Raith
Didn't the tea partiers call themselves 'teabaggers' without even knowing the reference...?
In your mind, that makes that type of filthy slander ok?
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:10:53pm |
re: #859 brookly red
the next few days will be interesting for sure.
If the latest predictions are anywhere near true, it certainly will be interesting. I'm not a fan of either candidate, to be honest. But having a Republican take "Ted Kennedy's Seat" as it's been referred to is pretty seismic.
On the downside, a Brown win will only encourage the TPers, who will claim responsibility for it and use it to build momentum, rightly or wrongly.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:11:14pm |
re: #868 brookly red
I know of this Kerry person of whom you speak... it is just he sooo no longer matters.
The Senior Senator from Mass with the rich wife?
I dunno about that in DC right now..They own the joint...
| 884 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:11:45pm |
re: #881 CapeCoddah
In your mind, that makes that type of filthy slander ok?
Yeah, well, get back to me on that when the tea parties aren't organized by crazies, mmmkay?
| 885 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:11:48pm |
re: #848 studentpatriot
I came to the calmer waters of LGF to see if people here think that the term 'teabaggers' is offensive or at least uncouth? Should Kerry be calling people 'teabaggers'?
It's clearly offensive to some folks, since they don't want to be called that. Therefore I refer to them by the more commonly accepted 'whackadoodles'.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:13:26pm |
re: #878 Walter L. Newton
The answer to all the question is "there are questions about his mental health."
I'll say. What about the mental health of the officials in charge of his incarceration? He had already been convicted of murder when he escaped and tried to murder the pope. Now he is a free man, staying in a luxury hotel? I don;t get it. I thought they chopped off hands and stuff in Turkey?
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studentpatriot Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:13:31pm |
Alright, thanks. It's just something I would never say in front of anyone over the age of 18, and especially not on television.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:14:14pm |
In other words, if the denial-o-sphere would give half a rat's ass concern about peer reviewed papers in climatology as they pretend to in this dating of Himalayan glacier loss... they wouldn't be deniers in the first place.
| 889 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:14:43pm |
re: #856 Gus 802
It's not an entire chapter at all. The chapter is Chapter 10 - Asia. The only place it is mentioned is in section 10.6.2 The Himalayan glaciers. Additionally, it is not being swept under the rug.
What Gus and others seem to refuse to address is the implications of all this. How much of this faulty protocol and process has affected other parts of the IPCC 4th report.
If you purchased a car, and you suddenly have it recalled because of a faulty part, doesn't that in the least gardner some suspicion as to the mechanical soundness of the rest of the vehicle?
I'm more concerned with the IPCC's processes more than even the science.
| 890 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:14:52pm |
re: #887 studentpatriot
Alright, thanks. It's just something I would never say in front of anyone over the age of 18, and especially not on television.
Good point.
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Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:17:28pm |
re: #869 Rightwingconspirator
Anytime. Remember Little Tony's on Lankershim? We still eat there.
No, haven't eaten there. Seems I was very busy every time when in the area though lived on Riverside Drive a number of years within a couple blocks of Paty's. My special lady shops for cosmetics at Cinema Secrets and I like Trader Joe's for quick goodies.
| 892 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:17:41pm |
re: #875 CapeCoddah
If Brown wins.. the next few days will be a bloodbath. Politically.
The state has made it clear they WILL delay his swearing in, and Sen. Kirk has vowed to refuse to vacate the seat until after the vote.
The last special election, 3 years ago, was the widow of Rep. Paul Tsongas, Nikki Tsongas. She was voted in during a special election, like this one, and was sworn in 48 hours later to vote to override a Bush veto for increased SCHIP funding.
Although I'm sure the state Dems are willing to carry through with this, the backlash would be enormous. And if Brown wins by a decisive margin, as some are predicting, the Senate would be hard pressed to delay swearing in.
Also, the upcoming vote simply moves the bill out of the Senate. It still needs to be reconciled with the House version, an arduous process that faces significant opposition already. That opposition would swell to a fever pitch in the wake of Democratic shenanigans like this; there would be hell to pay.
| 893 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:18:10pm |
re: #888 freetoken
In other words, if the denial-o-sphere would give half a rat's ass concern about peer reviewed papers in climatology as they pretend to in this dating of Himalayan glacier loss... they wouldn't be deniers in the first place.
And if you would give a half a rat's ass concern about the possibility that the IPCC's processes and protocols are flawed, then we could get this whole thing locked down and move onward. You have not once address the actual problem I am talking about.
Find my denier statements above? You can go on using that word over and over and it doesn't change on iota that I am not a denier and that I am concerned with valid process, not sloppy science.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:18:18pm |
re: #886 Racer X
I'll say. What about the mental health of the officials in charge of his incarceration? He had already been convicted of murder when he escaped and tried to murder the pope. Now he is a free man, staying in a luxury hotel? I don;t get it. I thought they chopped off hands and stuff in Turkey?
Not for what he did.
And he now stands to make a bundle of money - along with the marriage proposals that are coming in.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:19:33pm |
re: #887 studentpatriot
Alright, thanks. It's just something I would never say in front of anyone over the age of 18, and especially not on television.
The rule of thumb is never walk up in a bar to a skinhead with Paulian Tats on his arm carrying loaded guns after one of those tea parties and ask him if he is a teabagger..Doesn't really matter about the age..
/
| 896 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:19:34pm |
re: #888 freetoken
In other words, if the denial-o-sphere would give half a rat's ass concern about peer reviewed papers in climatology as they pretend to in this dating of Himalayan glacier loss... they wouldn't be deniers in the first place.
Just to be clear, and I'm not saying you did but, Walter isn't an AGW denier.
| 897 |
ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:20:13pm |
re: #896 Varek Raith
Just to be clear, and I'm not saying you did but, Walter isn't an AGW denier.
I don't understand why this is so hard for people to grasp?
| 899 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:21:06pm |
Here are a couple comments Professor SJ Richard Tol, Professor of the Economics of Climate Change recently made about the IPCC process he was involved with, during a chat on the latest IPCC revelations I was involved in.
The Summary for Policy Makers is very selective, up to the point of twisting the chapters' findings beyond recognition. In case of SAR WG3 Chapter 6, this was done against the will of the authors. The IPCC has learned from that. The selection process for authors is now more careful (awkward people like myself are not welcome) and there is self-selection too (David Pearce withdrew).
And:
That was the Second Assessment Report.
Manipulation has become more subtle since.
This sort of bias by selection is a major problem in science, including medical science, in which patients likely to do poorly are excluded from studies either prior or during the study in order to produce better results. I personally know of this as a widespread phenomenon from one of the premier medical research hospitals in the country. And no I won't give details that would help identify me, so feel free to dismiss this as rumour.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:22:12pm |
re: #884 Varek Raith
Yeah, well, get back to me on that when the tea parties aren't organized by crazies, mmmkay?
Would it be ok to call a person of color the n word because they had never heard it and did not understand what was meant by it? There are crazy people of everywhere. Most of the everyday folks involved in the tea party have no clue that some of the management are disgusting examples of human beings. Most are ordinary people who want their country back from the brink of socialism.
It is a shame that a movement of the people has been hijacked that way, and 99.9999% of people who associate with the movement are just regualr working stiffs, sick of being robbed by the government.
You are an asshole to pin disrespect on everyone, and not to leave it where it belongs.
The tea party being taken over at the top by kooks is like the thugs running unions. The main body has nothing to do with the shit.
| 901 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:22:54pm |
re: #891 Semper Fi
Great area to live in. Glad you liked it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:23:55pm |
re: #900 CapeCoddah
Yeah, the crazies do organize and run the tea parties. Search LGF for proof of all the craziness. Deal. With. It.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:24:32pm |
re: #892 SixDegrees
Problem is that the openly corrupt dems here are so used to doing what they wish, illegal or not, they will give it a good go.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:25:27pm |
re: #903 CapeCoddah
Problem is that the openly corrupt dems here are so used to doing what they wish, illegal or not, they will give it a good go.
Good Luck Election Tuesday!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:25:58pm |
re: #899 Bagua
Here are a couple comments Professor SJ Richard Tol, Professor of the Economics of Climate Change recently made about the IPCC process he was involved with, during a chat on the latest IPCC revelations I was involved in.
This sort of bias by selection is a major problem in science, including medical science, in which patients likely to do poorly are excluded from studies either prior or during the study in order to produce better results. I personally know of this as a widespread phenomenon from one of the premier medical research hospitals in the country. And no I won't give details that would help identify me, so feel free to dismiss this as rumour.
And I don't have to worry about being "outed" since everyone know who I am. I saw the same sort of exclusion of scientist if their findings were not helpful in generating new funding, even if their science was 100 percent spot on.
I worked at the National Renewable Energy Lab for 13 years and I saw this happen all the time. ANYONE who would try to tell me that AGW science is pure science, and never influenced by money and politics, well, I have a bridge for sale in Arizona.
This is real life, not church.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:26:17pm |
re: #879 freetoken
It is simply the technicality that a non-peer reviewed paper was used as a source that has sent the denial-o-sphere into their current rage.
Although a single paper seems to be the problem for many, there are a lot more than a single non-peer-reviewed source just in the single PDF chapter linked above. References to websites, CD ROMs, popular magazines, trade publications, newspapers and many other sources abound.
There are also many references from peer reviewed journals, as well. But the large amount of less critical material cited is unsettling, particularly when supporters make claims that this is all based on "rock solid, settled science that is beyond question."
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:26:57pm |
re: #902 Varek Raith
Yeah, the crazies do organize and run the tea parties. Search LGF for proof of all the craziness. Deal. With. It.
And if the attendees who aren't crazy choose to associate with the nastiness that is the tea parties, well, play me a nano-violin.
| 908 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:27:09pm |
re: #893 Walter L. Newton
And if you would give a half a rat's ass concern about the possibility that the IPCC's processes and protocols are flawed, then we could get this whole thing locked down and move onward. You have not once address the actual problem I am talking about.
Find my denier statements above? You can go on using that word over and over and it doesn't change on iota that I am not a denier and that I am concerned with valid process, not sloppy science.
Rather than deal with facts, it is always comforting to be able to use labels like "denier" and "denial-sphere" this makes it much easier to sweep criticism under the rug.
Saying "well, there's 'ample' evidence that the glaciers are melting" does not address the mountain of difference between melting in thirty years and melting in 300 to 1,000 years.
And it is outrageos to call this a 'technicality', the IPCC gave >90% reliabiltiy to this ridiculous assertion based upon wild speculation, not science.
Not being able to admit mistakes is the sign of dishonest and faith based beliefs.
| 909 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:27:28pm |
re: #900 CapeCoddah
Would it be ok to call a person of color the n word because they had never heard it and did not understand what was meant by it? There are crazy people of everywhere. Most of the everyday folks involved in the tea party have no clue that some of the management are disgusting examples of human beings. Most are ordinary people who want their country back from the brink of socialism.
It is a shame that a movement of the people has been hijacked that way, and 99.9999% of people who associate with the movement are just regualr working stiffs, sick of being robbed by the government.
You are an asshole to pin disrespect on everyone, and not to leave it where it belongs.
The tea party being taken over at the top by kooks is like the thugs running unions. The main body has nothing to do with the shit.
It seems like that is the way of the world. Power corrupts, and there will always be a handful of douche-bags ready to sell their sister to obtain it. I'm certain that the rank-and-file members of the communist party in the former Soviet Union were basically decent folks. But just look at what you had at the top and the gulags of the mind and body to where it led.
| 910 |
Semper Fi Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:29:10pm |
re: #901 Rightwingconspirator
Great area to live in. Glad you liked it.
It's lovely and convenient to everything. Collection point for bus to Hollywood Bowl was close by and we rode it often lugging our little picnic with a small bottle of wine. Nothing like it.
| 911 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:30:14pm |
re: #906 SixDegrees
Although a single paper seems to be the problem for many, there are a lot more than a single non-peer-reviewed source just in the single PDF chapter linked above. References to websites, CD ROMs, popular magazines, trade publications, newspapers and many other sources abound.
There are also many references from peer reviewed journals, as well. But the large amount of less critical material cited is unsettling, particularly when supporters make claims that this is all based on "rock solid, settled science that is beyond question."
I don't have enough up dings to give you. This is what I have been arguing for the last 24 hours. It's a simple concept that the flawed-process-deniers refuse to address.
That's it. If they want to have their little catch word (denier), then FPD is mine, Flawed Process Deniers... that's mine for now on when referencing the subject of faulty process, protocol and procedure... the three P's.
| 912 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:30:24pm |
re: #896 Varek Raith
Just to be clear, and I'm not saying you did but, Walter isn't an AGW denier.
Nor did I say he was, however as is common he read his own victimhood into the statement.
| 913 |
Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:30:27pm |
re: #875 CapeCoddah
If Brown wins.. the next few days will be a bloodbath. Politically.
The state has made it clear they WILL delay his swearing in, and Sen. Kirk has vowed to refuse to vacate the seat until after the vote.
The last special election, 3 years ago, was the widow of Rep. Paul Tsongas, Nikki Tsongas. She was voted in during a special election, like this one, and was sworn in 48 hours later to vote to override a Bush veto for increased SCHIP funding.
The ethics and integrity of our elected officials in our institutions just makes my knees weak in awe. /
BTW ... check out: [Link: www.intrade.com...]
Let the bloodbath begin.
| 914 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:30:34pm |
re: #888 freetoken
In other words, if the denial-o-sphere would give half a rat's ass concern about peer reviewed papers in climatology as they pretend to in this dating of Himalayan glacier loss... they wouldn't be deniers in the first place.
They wouldn't be as focused on this issue, either, if those supporting the IPCC and it's findings weren't so quick to dismiss them by saying things like "the science is settled", "go look at the science" and "the science is rock solid" and insisting that peer review is the gold standard by which all such work must be judged.
| 915 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:31:54pm |
re: #912 freetoken
Nor did I say he was, however as is common he read his own victimhood into the statement.
No, as common, you remined purposely vague in hopes of baiting someone.
| 916 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:32:44pm |
re: #902 Varek Raith
Yeah, the crazies do organize and run the tea parties. Search LGF for proof of all the craziness. Deal. With. It.
I have been here a bit longer than you have.......read a lot more. I know who is who.
Funnily enough, one example of tea party crap was, and I agree, people comparing Obama to Hitler. However, you have evidently never seen any of the thousands of photos of moonbat protesters holding the exact same signs, and much, much worse, referring to President Bush.
Extreme hypocrisy IMO.
| 917 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:33:12pm |
re: #912 freetoken
Nor did I say he was, however as is common he read his own victimhood into the statement.
How come you are a FPD (Flawed Process Denier)? There has been enough proof of late that there are some really flawed process, protocol and procedure at the IPCC, yet you have not address that topic once. Are you a FPD?
| 919 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:33:25pm |
re: #905 Walter L. Newton
I work with some top researchers who have produced key peer reviewed science that underpins several disciplines, but unlike you I prefer to remain anonymous so I can not speak from authority. This what I say is anecdotal and stands only on whatever small credibility I may have as a regular poster here.
My particular field of interest is in how bias distorts our cognitive abilities and I see examples of it on a regular basis from people who are top notch scientists. The reality is, it is a constant battle to eliminate bias, errors and subjectiveness from research. The more opportunity, the more appears.
The good scientists welcome the opportunity to have their work red flagged for errors, they don't circle the wagon, silence their foes, and use rhetorical tricks to distract from the weak point.
| 921 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:34:27pm |
re: #915 Walter L. Newton
No, as common, you remined purposely vague in hopes of baiting someone.
It doesn't help me make a smart-assed point if I can't even construct the sentence correctly. Hold on Freetoken, this is what I meant to say to you...
"No, as common, you remained purposely vague in hopes of baiting someone.
| 922 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:34:56pm |
re: #916 CapeCoddah
Why do you assume I don't see the left wing crazies the same as I see the right wing crazies? Sorry, I don't care what the ideology of a nut is.
Crazy is crazy.
| 924 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:35:23pm |
| 925 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:35:33pm |
re: #918 cszwed
I hadn't ever noticed that you were a part of it to begin with.
| 926 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:35:53pm |
re: #911 Walter L. Newton
Deniers and Warmists are two sides to a coin. They both do exist. The real science is in-between the two, not either one. One side shouting the other down does not improve their credibility.
| 928 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:36:07pm |
re: #918 cszwed
I'm sorry to see you go, considering the enormous body of wisdom that you imparted to us over the many years. LGF will be sorely lacking from this point onward.
//
| 929 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:36:52pm |
| 930 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:37:07pm |
| 931 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:37:22pm |
| 932 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:37:45pm |
re: #908 Bagua
Rather than deal with facts, it is always comforting to be able to use labels like "denier" and "denial-sphere" this makes it much easier to sweep criticism under the rug.
Saying "well, there's 'ample' evidence that the glaciers are melting" does not address the mountain of difference between melting in thirty years and melting in 300 to 1,000 years.
And it is outrageos to call this a 'technicality', the IPCC gave >90% reliabiltiy to this ridiculous assertion based upon wild speculation, not science.
Not being able to admit mistakes is the sign of dishonest and faith based beliefs.
This is not dishonest.. This is a process issue that scientist adjust to..The world's processing research will grow as knowledge grows by leaps and bounds.. Models will improve..Computer power in 5 years will blow your mind...I'm so sick of the GOP casting scientist now as the big greedy Evil flawed monster.. The whole millions of scientist are just money grubbing researchers is getting old...
| 933 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:39:08pm |
re: #909 ryannon
Quite frankly, the Russian people did not know any better, and they were poverty stricken.
The USA has never lived under the rule of one man, one king, one dictator. And we never will.
America now sees what it has at the top, the the Ultra liberal state of Massachusetts will correct that tomorrow, and restore the balance of power, somewhat.
It is ridiculous to say that average Americans will cause something akin to the gulag era by banding together and protesting what we have at the pinnacle of power.
I do believe it is called "The American Way."
| 934 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:39:16pm |
re: #917 Deleted
Fool!
Do I "lean left"? Does Walter, Sixdegrees, etc.? There is a variety of opinions on the forum, don't talk nonsense. If you want an echo-chamber of either side then you are best to go elsewhere.
| 935 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:39:20pm |
re: #927 Racer X
Who the fuck was that?
LOL!
They're like shooting stars. You have to remember to make a wish when you see one.
| 936 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:39:46pm |
re: #932 HoosierHoops
This is not dishonest.. This is a process issue that scientist adjust to..The world's processing research will grow as knowledge grows by leaps and bounds.. Models will improve..Computer power in 5 years will blow your mind...I'm so sick of the GOP casting scientist now as the big greedy Evil flawed monster.. The whole millions of scientist are just money grubbing researchers is getting old...
That's an interesting comment on your part. What were you responding too, consider that Bagua never mentioned one of those points. A lot of unfounded extrapolation on your part, sort of like putting words into Bagua's mouth.
| 937 |
Cheechako Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:39:52pm |
re: #911 Walter L. Newton
I don't have enough up dings to give you. This is what I have been arguing for the last 24 hours. It's a simple concept that the flawed-process-deniers refuse to address.
That's it. If they want to have their little catch word (denier), then FPD is mine, Flawed Process Deniers... that's mine for now on when referencing the subject of faulty process, protocol and procedure... the three P's.
Walter - just want you to know I agree with you 100%.
| 939 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:40:55pm |
Attention:
If you disagree with several, a few, or many posters on this site, there is no need to flounce. Give your opinion, or not. There are lots of different opinions expressed here; many will not be identical to yours. Stick around and express yourself. Or just lurk. Or just quietly go away.
Flounce = Weak
| 940 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:41:29pm |
re: #919 Bagua
I work with some top researchers who have produced key peer reviewed science that underpins several disciplines, but unlike you I prefer to remain anonymous so I can not speak from authority. This what I say is anecdotal and stands only on whatever small credibility I may have as a regular poster here.
My particular field of interest is in how bias distorts our cognitive abilities and I see examples of it on a regular basis from people who are top notch scientists. The reality is, it is a constant battle to eliminate bias, errors and subjectiveness from research. The more opportunity, the more appears.
The good scientists welcome the opportunity to have their work red flagged for errors, they don't circle the wagon, silence their foes, and use rhetorical tricks to distract from the weak point.
Here's an article you would find very interesting, about preconceptions leading researchers to find brain activity in MRIs - of a dead fish brain. Good insights on bias, and how it plays badly with data that has a low signal to noise ratio.
| 941 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:41:59pm |
re: #932 HoosierHoops
This is not dishonest.. This is a process issue that scientist adjust to..The world's processing research will grow as knowledge grows by leaps and bounds.. Models will improve..Computer power in 5 years will blow your mind...I'm so sick of the GOP casting scientist now as the big greedy Evil flawed monster.. The whole millions of scientist are just money grubbing researchers is getting old...
If the report is flawed, based upon deception and agenda, then it is irrelevant how the "computer power" may improve in five years.
This also has nothing to do with the "GOP", you are looking at a global issue from an American-centric position, as is quite common.
| 942 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:42:46pm |
re: #939 Racer X
I really don't get the ego of people who think that their posts saying they're leaving are somehow necessary or interesting. It's hard not to see it as just a very self-defeating cry for attention.
| 943 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:42:57pm |
re: #922 Varek Raith
Why do you assume I don't see the left wing crazies the same as I see the right wing crazies? Sorry, I don't care what the ideology of a nut is.
Crazy is crazy.
Well then, we agree. I simply refuse to paint everyone associated with the tea party with a broad brush. With the exception of management.
| 944 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:43:06pm |
BB in a few minutes. Yes, I have a life.
| 945 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:43:06pm |
re: #936 Walter L. Newton
That's an interesting comment on your part. What were you responding too, consider that Bagua never mentioned one of those points. A lot of unfounded extrapolation on your part, sort of like putting words into Bagua's mouth.
neutral comment.. Just train of thought my bro...
| 946 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:43:13pm |
re: #940 SixDegrees
Here's an article you would find very interesting, about preconceptions leading researchers to find brain activity in MRIs - of a dead fish brain. Good insights on bias, and how it plays badly with data that has a low signal to noise ratio.
Cheers, I never saw that before!
| 947 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:43:52pm |
Proof of fascism: Spreading the wealth around
| 948 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:44:03pm |
re: #942 Obdicut
I really don't get the ego of people who think that their posts saying they're leaving are somehow necessary or interesting. It's hard not to see it as just a very self-defeating cry for attention.
If I go, I plan on going out swinging.
| 949 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:44:34pm |
re: #943 CapeCoddah
Well then, we agree. I simply refuse to paint everyone associated with the tea party with a broad brush. With the exception of management.
Sorry for my bluntness, I just would never, ever associate with the tea party movement given all the nonsense at the top.
| 950 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:44:39pm |
re: #933 CapeCoddah
Quite frankly, the Russian people did not know any better, and they were poverty stricken.
The USA has never lived under the rule of one man, one king, one dictator. And we never will.
America now sees what it has at the top, the the Ultra liberal state of Massachusetts will correct that tomorrow, and restore the balance of power, somewhat.
It is ridiculous to say that average Americans will cause something akin to the gulag era by banding together and protesting what we have at the pinnacle of power.
I do believe it is called "The American Way."
Granted. But I was simply expanding on the subject of the contamination/selling out of basically good people and movements by a certain type of element that you alluded to in your preceding post.
In short, I don't see many gulags in the U.S. on the horizon.
| 951 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:45:04pm |
re: #947 Killgore Trout
Wait for his facial expression and posture to get endlessly examined by interwebs psychologists.
| 952 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:45:22pm |
re: #947 Killgore Trout
OMG, what an elitist!
| 953 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:45:50pm |
| 954 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:45:53pm |
re: #942 Obdicut
I really don't get the ego of people who think that their posts saying they're leaving are somehow necessary or interesting. It's hard not to see it as just a very self-defeating cry for attention.
Agreed. It is an expression of anger and ignorance. "I'm being challenged, so I hate you all and I'm taking my toys and going home."
Very immature, lashing out in anger type behaviour.
BBL
| 955 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:46:04pm |
re: #949 Varek Raith
And I apologize for calling you an asshole.
| 956 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:46:07pm |
re: #947 Killgore Trout
Proof of fascism: Spreading the wealth around
Is he wearing gloves so he doesn't have to touch poor people? ///
(Channeling Michelle Malkin)
| 958 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:46:56pm |
| 959 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:47:13pm |
re: #949 Varek Raith
Sorry for my bluntness, I just would never, ever associate with the tea party movement given all the nonsense at the top.
I don't picture you as being pro-conservative leaning for smaller government. Am I wrong?
| 960 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:47:29pm |
re: #949 Varek Raith
And for the record, I have nothing to do with the tea party either.
| 961 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:47:31pm |
We've heard the stories now of US companies exploiting Haitian workers... but that is hardly new news...
It might be the status quo around the world?
Apple's iPhone touchscreen supplier faces violent employee strike
More than 2,000 workers at a Wintek Corp. factory in Suzhou, China, have gone on strike and destroyed equipment at their factory, potentially straining the supply of parts for Apple's iPhone.
According to China Daily, factory workers last week damaged equipment and vehicles in response to a number of alleged deaths from overexposure to toxic chemicals. Employees said they did not accept the local government's investigation into the matter. Bloomberg reported that the factory is a component supplier for the iPhone.
[...]
Apple's overseas manufacturing partners have been the subject of much scrutiny over the years. Last July, an audit of Apple's partners in mainland China found that 45 of 83 factories that built iPhones and iPods in 2008 weren't paying valid overtime rates for those workers that qualified. In addition, 23 of those factories weren't even paying some of their workers China's minimum wage.
Now it becomes clearer on how Apple stockpiled $23 billion of cash...
| 962 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:48:39pm |
re: #941 Bagua
If the report is flawed, based upon deception and agenda, then it is irrelevant how the "computer power" may improve in five years.
This also has nothing to do with the "GOP", you are looking at a global issue from an American-centric position, as is quite common.
I wasn't poking at you..I just had a train of thought about the GOP attacking scientists...
Regards
| 963 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:49:09pm |
re: #959 Racer X
I don't picture you as being pro-conservative leaning for smaller government. Am I wrong?
Sort of. Generally I'm conservative on the economy and foreign police, while liberal on social policies... I don't know what to call myself, except a sane, small l, libertarian.
:)
| 964 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:49:17pm |
re: #961 freetoken
We've heard the stories now of US companies exploiting Haitian workers... but that is hardly new news...
It might be the status quo around the world?
Apple's iPhone touchscreen supplier faces violent employee strike
Now it becomes clearer on how Apple stockpiled $23 billion of cash...
Fucking greedy capitalist pigs!
*he typed on his Mac*
| 965 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:50:04pm |
re: #963 Varek Raith
Sort of. Generally I'm conservative on the economy and foreign police, while liberal on social policies... I don't know what to call myself, except a sane, small l, libertarian.
:)
sigh, police should be policy.
PINMF.
| 966 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:51:44pm |
The definition of "teabag" relating to sexual activity between consenting adults doesn't seem offensive. Sounds like fun! :D
| 967 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:52:32pm |
re: #966 Boogberg
Err..uh..whatever floats your...uh...boat?
/
| 968 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:52:56pm |
| 969 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:52:56pm |
re: #964 Racer X
Fucking greedy capitalist pigs!
*he typed on his Mac*
10,000 monkeys for 200 years couldn't randomly type out those 4 beautiful words..
| 970 |
SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:53:30pm |
re: #966 Boogberg
If that's the way you roll, more power to ya!
| 972 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:54:47pm |
| 973 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:55:00pm |
In the spirit of MLK Jr Day (and Haiti)...
Pat Robertson Voodoo Doll
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
| 974 |
bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:55:19pm |
re: #962 HoosierHoops
I wasn't poking at you..I just had a train of thought about the GOP attacking scientists...
Regards
I know, I actually thought I was responding to some-one else, sorry if I was a bit snippy, rushing about today.
| 976 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:55:52pm |
re: #973 Vambo
In the spirit of MLK Jr Day (and Haiti)...
Pat Robertson Voodoo Doll
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]
It has doubled in price since yesterday.
| 977 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:56:32pm |
Matthews & Mitchell: Obama "Hurt" Coakley: Brown's Win Will Be "The Shot Heard Around The World"
This is bad for Dems. I'll be weeping (not).
| 978 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:58:03pm |
| 979 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:58:10pm |
re: #968 Racer X
[Video]Cat looks like he eats real well.
Mouse - What?! You want some of this?! Punk, that's what I thought.
/:)
| 980 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:58:23pm |
re: #814 TampaKnight
If he defeats this health care bill, he will have already succeeded in his term as Senator.
A version of the HCR has already passed the Senate, it can be submitted as it is to the house for passage and be law by Friday.
| 981 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:59:11pm |
| 982 |
prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:59:59pm |
Yeah, I got my kids started watching "To Sir With Love" on TCM and they are enjoying it!
| 983 |
Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:01:00pm |
re: #977 Racer X
Matthews & Mitchell: Obama "Hurt" Coakley: Brown's Win Will Be "The Shot Heard Around The World"
[Video]This is bad for Dems. I'll be weeping (not).
It's just a doggone shame that our President has lost so much political clout in only one year. What could have possibly happened to weaken him so?
| 984 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:01:23pm |
re: #983 Bobibutu
It's just a doggone shame that our President has lost so much political clout in only one year. What could have possibly happened to weaken him so?
Reality.
| 985 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:01:35pm |
re: #982 prairiefire
That's the one with the cool black school teacher, right?
| 986 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:02:15pm |
re: #980 Jeff In Ohio
A version of the HCR has already passed the Senate, it can be submitted as it is to the house for passage and be law by Friday.
Only if the House accepts it without any changes. The chances of that are zero. Maybe less.
The House will send a modified bill back to the Senate, where it will have to be debated and voted on again. It may be possible to avoid a filibuster by manipulating Senate rules; if not, Brown's election might make a difference. Although even in that case, there are multiple ways things could play out.
| 987 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:03:53pm |
re: #983 Bobibutu
It's just a doggone shame that our President has lost so much political clout in only one year. What could have possibly happened to weaken him so?
Obama deserves his dramatic loss in popularity. His reckless, unfocused stimulus spending and corporate goody-basket of health care bill are disgraceful.
| 988 |
ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:04:05pm |
Folks, not posting much but just wanted to thank everyone who has supplied opinion and links on the Coakley. Most entertaining and interesting.
| 989 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:04:31pm |
| 990 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:05:00pm |
re: #986 SixDegrees
What they will probably do is try to delay Scott's swearing in, if he wins.
| 991 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:06:44pm |
re: #982 prairiefire
Yeah, I got my kids started watching "To Sir With Love" on TCM and they are enjoying it!
I always had sports on the TV with the kids...Great for watching them when mama was at work..I'll make the snacks... you guys just scream if Larry Bird hits a 3 pointer..
poor kids..:)
| 992 |
wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:07:09pm |
Here's the next most recent comment by our flouncer at #917:
930 cszwed7/20/2008 3:56:24 am PDTWhat about the woodpecker?null
He linked to a video that claims the woodpecker disproves evolution. He should have flounced a long time ago.
| 993 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:07:47pm |
I just heard an estimate of potential deaths in Haiti set a "possible 200,00".
Perspective -
Hiroshima / Nagasaki
Pre-raid population 255,000 / 195,000
Dead 66,000 / 39,000
Injured 69,000 / 25,000
Total Casualties 135,000 / 64,000
Unbelievable really.
| 994 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:08:03pm |
re: #991 HoosierHoops
I always had sports on the TV with the kids...Great for watching them when mama was at work..I'll make the snacks... you guys just scream if Larry Bird hits a 3 pointer..
poor kids..:)
My mom had on Star Wars and Star Trek when I was a kid. :D
| 995 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:08:16pm |
re: #990 YoungLibertarian92
What they will probably do is try to delay Scott's swearing in, if he wins.
Well, popular progressive and talk show host Ed Shultz has a good idea...
On Friday, MSNBC host Ed Schultz proposed a radical path to a Democratic win in the unexpectedly close Massachusetts Senate race for the late Ted Kennedy's seat: cheating.
"If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd try to vote ten times," Schultz said on his radio show, The Ed Schultz Show.
"Yeah that's right," he went on. "I'd cheat to keep these bastards out. I would. Because that's exactly what they are."
Of course, I only mention this in passing. I would certainly not want someone to think that there is anything wrong with this comment. I don't want to be accused of being outraged. I mean, this is really no big deal.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:08:19pm |
re: #990 YoungLibertarian92
What they will probably do is try to delay Scott's swearing in, if he wins.
The state Dems have announced their intention to do just that.
Above, I noted that this may win them the battle - health care - but lose them the war in the upcoming midterms. The backlash against such a move, particularly if Brown wins by a large margin, would be heavy.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:08:39pm |
re: #993 The Shadow Do
I will not lie, those numbers kind of shake me.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:09:05pm |
re: #980 Jeff In Ohio
They can, but will not do that. They would get the same response that is coming nation wide if they try to delay Brown's swearing in, should he win.
The nation will not appreciate an end run around what they see as relief from this disaster of a health care bill. Come November, there would not be a person left on Capitol Hill who participated if they do that.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:09:14pm |
re: #989 Obdicut
Wow, cool:
Weller and Foxton making new album together.
For those who don't know what that means:
[Video]
I was at the Jam's first US gig, at the Whiskey a Go Go (second show, though) Johnny Cougar opened.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:09:17pm |
re: #993 The Shadow Do
I just heard an estimate of potential deaths in Haiti set a "possible 200,00".
Perspective -
Hiroshima / Nagasaki
Pre-raid population 255,000 / 195,000
Dead 66,000 / 39,000
Injured 69,000 / 25,000
Total Casualties 135,000 / 64,000Unbelievable really.
IIRC, the firebombings caused more deaths than the atom bombs.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:10:16pm |
re: #986 SixDegrees
Only if the House accepts it without any changes. The chances of that are zero.
Zero? You think Dems in the House will take nothing when they have something in hand? I'm not so sure.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:10:21pm |
Alcohol Can Lead to Unpleasant Situations…
Tea Beagle!
/no really, this is disgusting. Do not watch it.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:11:00pm |
re: #994 Varek Raith
Then you have a cool Mom! (that's not to say all of them aren't cool) :)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:12:05pm |
re: #1003 Boogberg
Then you have a cool Mom! (that's not to say all of them aren't cool) :)
Not all of them are cool, some of them are fucking assholes.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:12:12pm |
re: #996 SixDegrees
Above, I noted that this may win them the battle - health care - but lose them the war in the upcoming midterms
Congressional liberals know that they are going to take a hit, you can see it in their desperate attempts to win NY-23, NJ and VA governors races, and this MT race. Chris Van Hollen, the Party's reelection committee, has been visibly shaken in his statements. He knows the "moderate democrats" are in for an electoral thrashing.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:12:14pm |
re: #1002 Racer X
Alcohol Can Lead to Unpleasant Situations…
[Video]Tea Beagle!/no really, this is disgusting. Do not watch it.
That dog was a male human in his previous life!
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:13:57pm |
re: #1004 Walter L. Newton
Not all of them are cool, some of them are fucking assholes.
And some are a combination of both.
/hi mom!
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:14:26pm |
re: #993 The Shadow Do
Comparing a natural disaster with the atomic bombings creeps me out a little.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:15:29pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:15:52pm |
re: #1002 Racer X
Alcohol Can Lead to Unpleasant Situations…
[Video]Tea Beagle!
/no really, this is disgusting. Do not watch it.
I didn't.
He sure kept going at it for a long time.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:16:30pm |
re: #1008 Boogberg
Comparing a natural disaster with the atomic bombings creeps me out a little.
It is just not possible to measure this amount of human suffering. There is no known scale.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:18:07pm |
Uh oh, looks like I've attracted a serial down dinger.
Karma: -1
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(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 29, 2004 at 6:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 50
No. of links posted: 0
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:18:38pm |
re: #1013 Gus 802
Uh oh, looks like I've attracted a serial down dinger.
Karma: -1
'
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 29, 2004 at 6:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 50
No. of links posted: 0
Class of 2004, shocka!
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:19:13pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:19:18pm |
re: #1013 Gus 802
Uh oh, looks like I've attracted a serial down dinger.
Karma: -1
'
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 29, 2004 at 6:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 50
No. of links posted: 0
Some of use only deserve the best.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:19:56pm |
re: #1013 Gus 802
Uh oh, looks like I've attracted a serial down dinger.
Karma: -1
'
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 29, 2004 at 6:57 pm
No. of comments posted: 50
No. of links posted: 0
I just noticed that. How do you pronounce that nic? Is it "Apostrophe" or "Fly Speck"?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:20:07pm |
re: #939 Racer X
Attention:
If you disagree with several, a few, or many posters on this site, there is no need to flounce. Give your opinion, or not. There are lots of different opinions expressed here; many will not be identical to yours. Stick around and express yourself. Or just lurk. Or just quietly go away.
Flounce = Weak
I think the average flouncer disagrees with almost EVERYONE on the site, (I.e., the trifecta of everything-dems-do-is-bad, anti-AGW, and Dominionist) and is used to the crazypants echo chamber of FreeRepublic and company. From the couple of them I've seen before their posts are flushed, they seem to be part of the tribe mentality.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:20:46pm |
re: #1017 wrenchwench
I just noticed that. How do you pronounce that nic? Is it "Apostrophe" or "Fly Speck"?
Might be an apostrophe.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:20:56pm |
re: #988 ethics
Folks, not posting much but just wanted to thank everyone who has supplied opinion and links on the Coakley. Most entertaining and interesting.
Her work as a prosecutor showed she's a nasty, opportunistic [deleted] and I hope she loses on that basis alone.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:21:39pm |
re: #1007 wrenchwench
And some are a combination of both.
/hi mom!
Yes, me too! Hi, my beloved crazy mom!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:21:39pm |
re: #1018 windupbird
I think the average flouncer disagrees with almost EVERYONE on the site, (I.e., the trifecta of everything-dems-do-is-bad, anti-AGW, and Dominionist) and is used to the crazypants echo chamber of FreeRepublic and company. From the couple of them I've seen before their posts are flushed, they seem to be part of the tribe mentality.
No tribes here (progressives).
| 1024 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:21:52pm |
So, ' , you gonna come out and play? We don't bite!...Well, some of us don't, at least.
| 1025 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:21:56pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:23:01pm |
re: #1023 Walter L. Newton
No tribes here (progressives).
There are liberal tribes! I'm not part of them because I can't stand quackery, homeoapathy and the like, and I like gigantic rip-snorting Corvette LS1 V8s and guns. :D
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Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:23:16pm |
re: #988 ethics
Folks, not posting much but just wanted to thank everyone who has supplied opinion and links on the Coakley. Most entertaining and interesting.
ditto. I won't be sorry to see her lose, but then...
what's Scott Brown's background on health care?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:23:35pm |
re: #1026 windupbird
There are liberal tribes! I'm not part of them because I can't stand quackery, homeoapathy and the like, and I like gigantic rip-snorting Corvette LS1 V8s and guns. :D
I like swords. Swords.
:D
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:23:47pm |
re: #1024 Varek Raith
So, ' , you gonna come out and play? We don't bite!...Well, some of us don't, at least.
The after hours BBQ's are written in lore
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:24:35pm |
re: #1028 Varek Raith
I like swords. Swords.
:D
Swords are cool! Though I wouldn't know what to do with one, the only manual dexterity I have is applicable to art, playing Rock Band and Klax. :D
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:25:02pm |
re: #1030 windupbird
Swords are cool! Though I wouldn't know what to do with one, the only manual dexterity I have is applicable to art, playing Rock Band and Klax. :D
I just noticed your artwork. Very nice.
| 1033 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:25:32pm |
| 1034 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:26:00pm |
Wait a minute. Walter gets an upding for calling some moms assholes and I get NADA for saluting moms? What kind of happy horse shit is this?! :D
| 1035 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:26:05pm |
re: #1031 Racer X
Sun is out. Rain is gone.
Awesome. We're getting tornado warnings here in the central valley. Yippie!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:26:26pm |
re: #1032 RogueOne
I just noticed your artwork. Very nice.
Thankya! I need to put more in that Photobucket account, right now it's just sketchbook doodles and one or two paintings.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:27:16pm |
re: #1028 Varek Raith
I like swords. Swords.
:D
I love the smell of burning jet fuel. Hate cap and trade. Afterburners, books on WWII, Jimi Hendrix and long walks in the park.
//
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:27:20pm |
re: #1026 windupbird
There are liberal tribes! I'm not part of them because I can't stand quackery, homeoapathy and the like, and I like gigantic rip-snorting Corvette LS1 V8s and guns. :D
I wasn't including you in any "tribe." I was only pointing out that there are tribes everywhere, even here, and it doesn't take a degree in sociology to be able to lump them in their proper bucket.
You're just Thete in search of a Phyle.
| 1039 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:27:21pm |
Hey everyone, powers back on and here I am! What'd I miss, anything important?
| 1040 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:27:51pm |
re: #1039 Dragon_Lady
Hey everyone, powers back on and here I am! What'd I miss, anything important?
A boring flounce.
| 1041 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:28:05pm |
re: #1033 Varek Raith
*Hisses* Dammit, the sun burnnnsss!
/...?
No sarc from me, I can't stand the sun. I think I have the opposite of seasonal affective disorder. My perfect working time is from about 11pm to 6am. Slam an energy drink, put on some weird heavy metal, turn on the Cintiq and crank out art assignments all night.
| 1043 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:28:11pm |
| 1044 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:28:30pm |
re: #1034 Boogberg
Wait a minute. Walter gets an upding for calling some moms assholes and I get NADA for saluting moms? What kind of happy horse shit is this?! :D
Ok... up ding... happy? (gosh, it's like dropping cookies into a nursery... smooth)
| 1046 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:28:44pm |
re: #1038 Walter L. Newton
I wasn't including you in any "tribe." I was only pointing out that there are tribes everywhere, even here, and it doesn't take a degree in sociology to be able to lump them in their proper bucket.
You're just Thete in search of a Phyle.
Dammit, now I have to look that up! :D
| 1047 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:29:20pm |
re: #1026 windupbird
There are liberal tribes! I'm not part of them because I can't stand quackery, homeoapathy and the like,
ditto (again). don't forget PETA and overzealous vegans. *barf*
| 1048 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:29:30pm |
| 1049 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:29:36pm |
| 1050 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:29:39pm |
| 1052 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:30:22pm |
re: #1041 windupbird
No sarc from me, I can't stand the sun. I think I have the opposite of seasonal affective disorder. My perfect working time is from about 11pm to 6am. Slam an energy drink, put on some weird heavy metal, turn on the Cintiq and crank out art assignments all night.
Photosensitive eyes. Being out in the sun for > 15 minutes gives me migraines. The sun sucks. :)
| 1053 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:30:57pm |
| 1054 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:31:06pm |
re: #1049 windupbird
Maybe that's not such a bad idea?
Holy shit, stop that, I thought the same thing... we have nothing in common... we have nothing in common... (repeat and rinse).
Public service announcement.
Two weeks from tomorrow night, the season opener of LOST.
| 1055 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:31:20pm |
re: #1050 HoosierHoops
We would occupy Haiti but Chavez is holding us at bay...
Good. Let's crush the Leftist serpent with our heal. Our truth is marching on. GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH
| 1056 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:32:47pm |
re: #1045 prairiefire
Jiminy Christmas, what a long thread
Charles is in Travel mode..I say lets go for it!
*strips down*
Who is with me? ahhhh Who is with me?
| 1057 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:32:55pm |
The media reporting from recent events in Kabul is really beyond shallow. It could be lifted word for word from the Tet 1968 news. No chance whatsoever that you the listener/viewer can comprehend the events there today given the prism that is our journo schools product coupled with a willful ignorance of the actual history of the times. If you want to know what is going on there you are going to have to wait for reports from Yon and a few others who are actually trying to understand and relate the changing dynamics. All the rest is some young pup trying to hang in for a paycheck.
| 1058 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:32:57pm |
| 1059 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:33:00pm |
| 1060 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:33:37pm |
re: #1056 HoosierHoops
Charles is in Travel mode..I say lets go for it!
*strips down*
Who is with me? ahhh Who is with me?
Slowly backs away from HH, pretending not to know him.
/:)
| 1062 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:34:14pm |
re: #1049 windupbird
Maybe that's not such a bad idea?
For what purpose?
- to fight corruption
- stabalize the economy
- provide aid
- or rape and plunder Haiti's rich nonexistent valuable natural resources.
| 1063 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:34:14pm |
Venezuela, swimming in oil, can't keep the lights on.
| 1064 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:35:07pm |
re: #1047 Vambo
ditto (again). don't forget PETA and overzealous vegans. *barf*
GUHHHHHHHHHH PETA. And yeah, I like barbecue and sushi too much, I'm trying to cut down on ground beef for my health, but I'll still have a burger! I just make sure it's an awesome organic pub burger with a towering stein of beer, and not some fast food ass sandwich. :D
I have friends who are vegetarians who are totally awesome. My partner became (mostly) vegetarian partially to lose weight, and it worked. But he'll still eat fish and eggs and occasionally chicken on special occasions. The vegans...I only know a couple and they're not preachy about it. I have tangled with the ones who are preachy about it online...hoooboy.
And don't get me started on the Prius. NO SMUGMOBILE FOR WINDUPBIRD. If mileage is that important to me, I'll get a way-more-fun to drive vintage CRX or a Miata. Or a turbodiesel Golf.
| 1065 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:35:38pm |
re: #1058 SanFranciscoZionist
The French are too late to show such concern for Haiti.
Irony. Perhaps we should remind the French about Chad.
| 1066 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:35:49pm |
re: #1052 Varek Raith
Photosensitive eyes. Being out in the sun for > 15 minutes gives me migraines. The sun sucks. :)
I don't get migranes, but I do get a mild headache from too much sun! And the heat makes me miserable and unproductive.
| 1067 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:36:13pm |
| 1068 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:36:21pm |
re: #1063 Boogberg
Venezuela, swimming in oil, can't keep the lights on.
Take every bad socialist economic policy and you'll get Venezuela.
| 1070 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:37:19pm |
re: #1062 YoungLibertarian92
For what purpose?
- to fight corruption
- stabalize the economy
- provide aid
- or rape and plunder Haiti'srichnonexistent valuable natural resources.
Stabilize and improve the country because they need and deserve our help, and they deserve not to remain trapped on a prison island, succumbing to the whims of corporations using them for sweatshop labor.
| 1071 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:37:24pm |
The UN is in charge...
Ban acknowledged in the Amanpour interview Monday that the United Nations is playing the primary role in coordinating the aid effort.
"We are now trying to create [a] structured system to effectively ... deliver this assistance to needy people. We should not waste even a single dollar, single item of relief," he said.
However, Ban couldn't give a timeline for how long it will take to get the abundance of aid collected for Haiti flowing freely into the country."We are in an initial stage of this, coordinating and organizing [an] effective way of delivering aid, and we have to work for ... recovery, bringing in all this water supply and sanitation and power supply and communications, that we have to work for middle, longer-term reconstruction," he told Amanpour.
Heaven help the Haitians. If this doesn't sound like political double-talk I don't know what is. This actually concerns me. How much is the UN really in charge? Did Obama give them the lead on this effort, or is this just Ban speaking for himself and his organization.
I'd like to know.
| 1072 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:37:41pm |
re: #1071 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 1073 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:04pm |
re: #1060 Varek Raith
Slowly backs away from HH, pretending not to know him.
/:)
Funny thing..Since I was in College I've had a long standing bet that if Stanford ever won the big Dance I would strip down and have tree branches duct taped to me and streak as the Stanford Mascot in the buff...
Now..I've never worried about paying up on this bet..But if it really does happen I pray to God I live in a gated community...
| 1074 |
YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:33pm |
re: #1070 windupbird
The Paulians won't like that.
| 1075 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:45pm |
re: #1017 wrenchwench
I just noticed that. How do you pronounce that nic? Is it "Apostrophe" or "Fly Speck"?
Mouse Turd?
| 1076 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:52pm |
| 1077 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:53pm |
| 1078 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:38:59pm |
| 1079 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:39:15pm |
re: #1073 HoosierHoops
Funny thing..Since I was in College I've had a long standing bet that if Stanford ever won the big Dance I would strip down and have tree branches duct taped to me and streak as the Stanford Mascot in the buff...
Now..I've never worried about paying up on this bet..But if it really does happen I pray to God I live in a gated community...
Lol. Quick! Someone pray for HH neighbors!
/
| 1080 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:40:04pm |
re: #1073 HoosierHoops
Funny thing..Since I was in College I've had a long standing bet that if Stanford ever won the big Dance I would strip down and have tree branches duct taped to me and streak as the Stanford Mascot in the buff...
Now..I've never worried about paying up on this bet..But if it really does happen I pray to God I live in a gated community...
I may dress up in a giant bird costume, but you sports guys are WEIRD.:D
| 1081 |
wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:40:41pm |
| 1083 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:40:56pm |
re: #1064 windupbird
GUHHH PETA. And yeah, I like barbecue and sushi too much, I'm trying to cut down on ground beef for my health, but I'll still have a burger! I just make sure it's an awesome organic pub burger with a towering stein of beer, and not some fast food ass sandwich. :D
I have friends who are vegetarians who are totally awesome. My partner became (mostly) vegetarian partially to lose weight, and it worked. But he'll still eat fish and eggs and occasionally chicken on special occasions. The vegans...I only know a couple and they're not preachy about it. I have tangled with the ones who are preachy about it online...hoooboy.
And don't get me started on the Prius. NO SMUGMOBILE FOR WINDUPBIRD. If mileage is that important to me, I'll get a way-more-fun to drive vintage CRX or a Miata. Or a turbodiesel Golf.
I don't mind it as long as they aren't preachy. I know people IRL who are preachy about it - they ended up losing a lot of friends. Veganism is for the privileged anyway. I don't know much about cars, or this whole hybrid craze... my Nissan was the cheapest in the used car lot. Being "green" takes a backseat to not going broke... I imagine it is the same for most people.
| 1084 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:41:04pm |
re: #1059 Gus 802
One flight diverted and now we're occupiers? Maybe Alain Joyandet should put a sock in it.
The British press has their own agenda: the French are rat bastards. Traditional enemy and all that. Sells papers. In France, the French media and talking heads have been very frank in acknowledging the need for the U.S. to fill the power vacuum. Unnaturally positive about it. It's clear that word has gone out from Sarkozy to button it despite Joyandet's very predictable outburst of butthurt.
| 1085 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:41:26pm |
re: #1073 HoosierHoops
Or anyplace folks with nets and tasers cannot catch you
| 1086 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:41:30pm |
| 1088 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:42:12pm |
re: #1080 windupbird
I may dress up in a giant bird costume, but you sports guys are WEIRD.:D
So, um, birds really do it for ya huh?
| 1089 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:42:26pm |
| 1090 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:42:59pm |
re: #1068 YoungLibertarian92
Did you hear about the french-owned retailer Chavez confiscated/nationalized? The owners said something like 'We don't give a fuck. The stores weren't making money anyway.'
Bwaaaahahahaha! :D
| 1091 |
wrenchwench Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:43:21pm |
| 1093 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:44:16pm |
re: #1084 ryannon
The British press has their own agenda: the French are rat bastards. Traditional enemy and all that. Sells papers. In France, the French media and talking heads have been very frank in acknowledging the need for the U.S. to fill the power vacuum. Unnaturally positive about it. It's clear that word has gone out from Sarkozy to button it despite Joyandet's very predictable outburst of butthurt.
Understood. It's just that there seems to be this underlying chatter about us being occupiers. Led first by Chavez and now being parroted by Ortega. I'm hoping that Sarkozy does indeed curb Joyandet.
| 1094 |
prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:44:23pm |
Who was the lizard who posted the hilarious account of testing a mini taser on themselves? Anyone remember?
| 1095 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:44:24pm |
re: #1065 Gus 802
Irony. Perhaps we should remind the French about Chad.
Don't cry for me, Rwanda.
Operation Turquoise.
| 1096 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:44:46pm |
re: #1042 YoungLibertarian92
The French think we are occupying Haiti.
Link
Okay, here's where I'm going to risk my first down ding(s):
The French are arrogant enough to think that we have the same mindset that they have. In their minds any military force whether from humanitarian to rescue operations are "occupation forces" because that's the way they think and what they would do. The also still have the "disillusion de colonize" mindset and there is no way they'll like us on "their" property as they still think Haiti should belong to them and were going to step in and take over when nothing could be further from our minds. All we want to do is rescue people and help them get on their feet again. They have done it over and over again and I see no signs of change in their attitudes what so ever. I've been watching them for a long time. If anyone out there can prove me wrong I'd welcome it. But I see only problems ahead from the French, no matter what we do.
| 1097 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:03pm |
hello Evening Lizards!
How has everyone's MLK day been going?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:16pm |
Charles must have stopped off for the burrito special
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:31pm |
re: #1085 CapeCoddah
Or anyplace folks with nets and tasers cannot catch you
I'm not a betting man..But I always figured it was a safe bet in College...
I mean even if I escape the old folks home naked in a wheelchair years from now..I still won't go to jail....
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:31pm |
re: #1089 Varek Raith
crap...you got me...umm...... hubby is 15 years older.
Needs a little help with the print!
(yeah, that's it)
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:45:38pm |
re: #1084 ryannon
Oi Ryannon-- read The Road cover to cover thanks to you. Also saw the movie now. Random driveby to thank you again
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:46:03pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:46:10pm |
re: #1097 ggt
hello Evening Lizards!
How has everyone's MLK day been going?
Wet, cold and rainy. Also powerless due to a downed transformer station, but on the whole just fine thanks! How with you? :-)
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:47:01pm |
re: #1096 Dragon_Lady
SNIP
But I see only problems ahead from the French, no matter what we do.
Pretty on target with that.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:47:42pm |
re: #1094 prairiefire
Who was the lizard who posted the hilarious account of testing a mini taser on themselves? Anyone remember?
No..But the best post over the weekend was the girl who said she was multitasking because she was posting here and breast feeding her baby...
I mean..How do you compete with that?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:47:50pm |
re: #1099 HoosierHoops
LOL, who knows what the laws will be like then, they may just shoot you on sight!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:48:39pm |
re: #1105 HoosierHoops
No..But the best post over the weekend was the girl who said she was multitasking because she was posting here and breast feeding her baby...
I mean..How do you compete with that?
Posting and masturbating.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:48:43pm |
Dark and rainy here... very heavy rain. Probably the longest run of heavy rain I've experienced since being back in SoCal.
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ethics Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:49:23pm |
re: #1105 HoosierHoops
No..But the best post over the weekend was the girl who said she was multitasking because she was posting here and breast feeding her baby...
I mean..How do you compete with that?
That's talent.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:50:13pm |
re: #1109 Walter L. Newton
You all should have seen that comment coming. (coming, ha, a pun thread).
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:50:16pm |
re: #1096 Dragon_Lady
Okay, here's where I'm going to risk my first down ding(s)
I don't think you like me DL, but that was very well said. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:50:40pm |
re: #1109 Walter L. Newton
Damnit Walter, you're stepping on my lines.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:51:16pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:51:50pm |
re: #1096 Dragon_Lady
The French don't want anything to do with Haiti. They've got enough problems as it is. For the moment, public opinion (massively manipulated by the quasi State-run media) is pretty placid about our presence in Haiti. One less headache for everybody.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:51:53pm |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
You all should have seen that comment coming. (coming, ha, a pun thread).
I am leaving it alone.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:52:23pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:53:06pm |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
You're gonna be milking this for all it's worth, aren't you?
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:54:04pm |
Looks like Dr. Sanjay Gupta made his way onto the USS Carl Vinson.
100118-N-8878B-051 PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Jan. 18, 2010) Dr. Sanjay Gupta, left, a CNN medical correspondent and practicing neurosurgeon, and Lt. Cmdr. Kathryn Berndt, a Navy surgeon, perform surgery on a 12-year-old Haitian girl with a severe head injury aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:54:05pm |
I'm having major lag time in my keyboard response. Going to reboot.
Probably Bush's fault/
bbiab
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:54:50pm |
re: #1121 Gus 802
Looks like Dr. Sanjay Gupta made his way onto the USS Carl Vinson.
100118-N-8878B-051 PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Jan. 18, 2010) Dr. Sanjay Gupta, left, a CNN medical correspondent and practicing neurosurgeon, and Lt. Cmdr. Kathryn Berndt, a Navy surgeon, perform surgery on a 12-year-old Haitian girl with a severe head injury aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).
I have tremendous respect for Dr. Gupta.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:55:15pm |
re: #1117 ryannon
The French don't want anything to do with Haiti. They've got enough problems as it is. For the moment, public opinion (massively manipulated by the quasi State-run media) is pretty placid about our presence in Haiti. One less headache for everybody.
True. The problem here, if I'm reading the story correctly, isn't the french but the UN. This guy just happens to be french and therefore a touchy douche.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:55:24pm |
re: #1123 Varek Raith
I have tremendous respect for Dr. Gupta.
And all those who are helping in Haiti.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:55:49pm |
re: #1117 ryannon
The French don't want anything to do with Haiti. They've got enough problems as it is. For the moment, public opinion (massively manipulated by the quasi State-run media) is pretty placid about our presence in Haiti. One less headache for everybody.
Top headline on Le Monde is talking about unemployment. I wonder what the "comments" are saying about Haiti and the US? I'll check.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:55:49pm |
re: #1120 Slumbering Behemoth
You're gonna be milking this for all it's worth, aren't you?
That. Is. Horrible. Horrible.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:56:03pm |
re: #1123 Varek Raith
I have tremendous respect for Dr. Gupta.
I do too. He's really proved himself in Haiti in that he is more than just a journalist.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:56:11pm |
re: #1113 YoungLibertarian92
I don't think you like me DL, but that was very well said. :)
I never implied that I don't like you. Where did you get that idea from?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:56:30pm |
re: #1120 Slumbering Behemoth
You're gonna be milking this for all it's worth, aren't you?
Unless you want to give me a hand?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:57:19pm |
re: #1129 Dragon_Lady
I never implied that I don't like you. Where did you get that idea from?
You're a dragon lady???
///ducks, runs away and/or hides.
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RogueOne Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:57:42pm |
re: #1130 Walter L. Newton
Unless you want to give me a hand?
You stole that line from Scott Ritters netiquette book.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:57:46pm |
re: #1129 Dragon_Lady
I never implied that I don't like you. Where did you get that idea from?
From the NSA intercept.. Coordinates for a Hellfire missile strike? Man that's cold..
*wink*
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:59:11pm |
re: #1101 iceweasel
If you (and anyone else) like(s), a very refreshing antidote: Grey Gardens with Drew Barrymore and Jessica Lange. Having seen the original Maysles Brothers documentary, I can say that this is an amazingly well-done little jewel of a film. As feel-good as The Road was feel-bad.
And you are quite a fast reader.
[Link: www.movieworld2.com...]
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:59:56pm |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Damn Walter!
I honestly don't get quite that aroused by the comments here.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:00:50pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:00:59pm |
re: #1130 Walter L. Newton
Unless you want to give me a hand?
I would, but my hands are kind of full right now.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:01:00pm |
re: #1131 Varek Raith
You're a dragon lady???
///ducks, runs away and/or hides.
Oh come on, just cause I breath fire doesn't mean I can't be friendly! You've heard of "friendly fire" haven't you? Better to roast you with my dear!
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:01:42pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:01:43pm |
re: #1042 YoungLibertarian92
The French think we are occupying Haiti.
Link
Best part about it was watching Pres Clinton actually defending the military operations over there.
Despite the dire conditions, Clinton stressed that aid was flowing at an acceptable pace.
"No, I don't think they were slow coming in," said Clinton.
"The infrastructure broke down (as a result of the earthquake), and that's what we're building up.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:01:50pm |
re: #1134 ryannon
If you (and anyone else) like(s), a very refreshing antidote: Grey Gardens with Drew Barrymore and Jessica Lange. Having seen the original Maysles Brothers documentary, I can say that this is an amazingly well-done little jewel of a film. As feel-good as The Road was feel-bad.
And you are quite a fast reader.
[Link: www.movieworld2.com...]
Really looking forward to Grey Gardens. Have to see the original still as well.
Yep! Fast reader here, for some things. Jimmah knows a weekly library trip is necessary. :-)
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:02:08pm |
re: #1133 HoosierHoops
From the NSA intercept.. Coordinates for a Hellfire missile strike? Man that's cold..
*wink*
wink, wink right back at ya! ;-)
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:02:24pm |
re: #1139 Dragon_Lady
Oh come on, just cause I breath fire doesn't mean I can't be friendly! You've heard of "friendly fire" haven't you? Better to roast you with my dear!
Yes, quite right.
*Remembers the old adage; Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
:)
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:02:56pm |
re: #1124 RogueOne
True. The problem here, if I'm reading the story correctly, isn't the french but the UN. This guy just happens to be french and therefore a touchy douche.
Douché!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:02:59pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:03:12pm |
re: #1136 Varek Raith
Hah! I think Walter won the tread...XD
It's been a long hard fight. Almost got banned a few times. My misspelt word count was up there for a while, but that leveled out. I certainly took the lead when I was able to insert a number of comments about autoeroticism into the mix. Gooooaaaaaalllll.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:03:26pm |
re: #1020 RogueOne
Her work as a prosecutor showed she's a nasty, opportunistic [deleted] and I hope she loses on that basis alone.
Yes. My impression of Brown: rah rah ex-frat-rat sales manager. My impression of Coakley: nasty, opportunistic [deleted] .
*** *** ***
My first preference is for competent limited government. My second preference is for competent government. My third preference is for limited government.
If I can't have any of those, I'll vote for divided government.
I'm voting for Brown tomorrow.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:03:45pm |
re: #1138 Slumbering Behemoth
I would, but my hands are kind of full right now.
You still have a tongue, don't you?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:04:26pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:05:38pm |
that's a heckuva open thread......... won't even pretend to have skimmed it.
Just called in to say g'night.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:05:43pm |
re: #1149 Walter L. Newton
You still have a tongue, don't you?
What do you think I'm typing with?
/Not the kind of hit I expected when I lobbed that slow-ball right over the plate, but it works.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:05:53pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:06:13pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:07:06pm |
re: #1154 Slumbering Behemoth
What do you think I'm typing with?
/Not the kind of hit I expected when I lobbed that slow-ball right over the plate, but it works.
I'm gonna' walk away from that one.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:07:07pm |
Tiger Woods reportley goes to a sex rehab clinic?
Why? Who had the idea to put a bunch of people together that will do anything that moves together in a big house? If you are in a sex rehad clinic you will be swapping cell phone numbers for a month...
Am I insensitive? Tiger walking through the Lobby..Yea baby..I'm not cured yet..*Call me*
/humor
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:07:36pm |
re: #1154 Slumbering Behemoth
What do you think I'm typing with?
/Not the kind of hit I expected when I lobbed that slow-ball right over the plate, but it works.
Now I need mental eye bleach!!!!
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SteveC Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:10:30pm |
re: #1151 Varek Raith
Wow, Walter is on a roll tonight!!!
XD
"What'll ya have?"
"Hmm... Walter, on a roll."
"We card for that, sir."
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:12:01pm |
re: #1145 ryannon
The only mention of an "American takeover" I could find in the current Le Monde article was this...
"Le sujet est sensible, les Américains étant intervenus par le passé en Haïti. Le président vénézuélien Hugo Chavez a accusé Washington de prendre prétexte du séisme pour occuper le pays."
Nothing else in the article indicated that the French in general thinks that we are going to occupy Haiti.
[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:12:05pm |
re: #1159 HoosierHoops
Tiger Woods reportley goes to a sex rehab clinic?
Why? Who had the idea to put a bunch of people together that will do anything that moves together in a big house? If you are in a sex rehad clinic you will be swapping cell phone numbers for a month...
Am I insensitive? Tiger walking through the Lobby..Yea baby..I'm not cured yet..*Call me*
/humor
I have to wonder about the whole concept of 'sex addiction' as a disease or as analogous to other addictions.
I've got a friend with a few addictions and destructive behaviours. He's in therapy now and has many good things to say about some 12-step programs, like AA-- but he says the idea of 'sex addiction' is ridiculous. He's well aware that sex is one area where he's also developed destructive behaviours-- but says that if he were around people for any 'sex addiction' program he'd be hooking up all over the place. Have to say in his case it would be true, too.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:12:23pm |
re: #1162 ryannon
We can haz new tread?
No! we are going for the Gold!
/Not to be confused with Olympic snowboarders who smoke the gold
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:12:41pm |
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:12:54pm |
Remember the olde days when you had to refresh the page to read new comments? That sucked on threads like this one.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:14:20pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:14:24pm |
re: #1166 Varek Raith
CEILIN KAT SEZ, Y U ASKIN ME?
I see we have a few "I can has chees burgerz" fans in the audience!
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:14:54pm |
re: #1167 Boogberg
It didn't suck ON threads, it just sucked.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:15:09pm |
Cocaine Found In Space Shuttle Hangar
NASA has confirmed that a small baggie of white powder that was found in the hangar of space shuttle Discovery is in fact cocaine.
A shuttle maintenance worker is reported to ahve found the baggie outside the men’s room of the shuttle hangar and reported it to security. The contents of the baggie were tested.
NASA is hoping to send the culprit to the unemployment queues but an investigation currently underway at the Kennedy Space Flight Center has, as of this moment yielded nothing.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:15:48pm |
CEILIN KAT DECREEZ, VAREK IZ ORACLE 2 CEILIN KAT.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:15:53pm |
re: #1163 Walter L. Newton
The only mention of an "American takeover" I could find in the current Le Monde article was this...
"Le sujet est sensible, les Américains étant intervenus par le passé en Haïti. Le président vénézuélien Hugo Chavez a accusé Washington de prendre prétexte du séisme pour occuper le pays."
Nothing else in the article indicated that the French in general thinks that we are going to occupy Haiti.
[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]
Yep, that's Chavez in his usual asshole vein: If an American carries so much as a butter knife into another country in the Western Hemisphere, he screams that we're planning to invade. It's his way of distracting the Venezuelan public from the mess he's made of their country.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:16:39pm |
re: #1159 HoosierHoops
Tiger Woods reportley goes to a sex rehab clinic?
Why? Who had the idea to put a bunch of people together that will do anything that moves together in a big house? If you are in a sex rehad clinic you will be swapping cell phone numbers for a month...
Am I insensitive? Tiger walking through the Lobby..Yea baby..I'm not cured yet..*Call me*
/humor
Rehab clinic? For real?
Even Nike ain't gonna buy that one.
For all intent he is now single, no? I am still not too old to just know that no single man has ever entertained enrolling himself in a sex rehab clinic. Not seriously, not ever unless there was a chance to get laid there of course, as you suggest. too funny.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:16:39pm |
re: #1164 iceweasel
Hi Ice!
I'm wondering when is the cry for help..14 or 15 mistresses?
Tiger thought he was a world class stud..
He is a world class creep..And no Madison Ave. ad firm will change that..
The mighty have fallen my friend
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:17:20pm |
am back, but still have the lag time. Don't know how long I'll be able to cope with it.
Several seconds for that last sentence to appear. Definitely cannot cope with it. Will bbl on a different computer.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:17:34pm |
re: #1173 Dark_Falcon
Yep, that's Chavez in his usual asshole vein: If an American carries so much as a butter knife into another country in the Western Hemisphere, he screams that we're planning to invade. It's his way of distracting the Venezuelan public from the mess he's made of their country.
And nothing in this article in Le Monde about the French complaining about an "American takeover."
[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]
(in French of course)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:17:54pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:18:20pm |
re: #1179 Slumbering Behemoth
I thought for sure that was gonna be a link to an Onion article. :(
To infinity, and BEYOND!111!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:18:58pm |
re: #1177 Dragon_Lady
...
it should have been "Hey guys and gals, I gotta p/u RWC at the train station. See ya!
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:19:15pm |
re: #1171 Racer X
Jesus Christ on a pogo-stick. I suppose it was inevitable. Crackhouses in space are probably next...
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:19:42pm |
re: #1181 Dragon_Lady
it should have been "Hey guys and gals, I gotta p/u RWC at the train station. See ya!
Later, oh venerable dragon who won't hurt humble Varek, right?
/:D
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:20:03pm |
re: #1163 Walter L. Newton
The only mention of an "American takeover" I could find in the current Le Monde article was this...
"Le sujet est sensible, les Américains étant intervenus par le passé en Haïti. Le président vénézuélien Hugo Chavez a accusé Washington de prendre prétexte du séisme pour occuper le pays."
Nothing else in the article indicated that the French in general thinks that we are going to occupy Haiti.
[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]
Even a French general isn't that stupid. Cynical maybe, but not stupid. As for Le Monde, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they eventually gave expression to their ever-present sense of national butthurt at America's expense. But for the moment, I sense that Sarkozy's minions are laboring mightily to keep the media on a tight leash.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:22:03pm |
re: #1179 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm sure it was some low level worker's stash. Those NASA guys are no doubt plotting all sorts of devious behavior in space, but they are not stupid enough to leave a bag of Coke laying around.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:22:29pm |
re: #1182 Boogberg
I'll wildly speculate that it was dropped by a low level maintenance tech. I'm pretty sure astronauts are tested for all manner of things on a regular basis.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:22:48pm |
re: #1183 Varek Raith
Later, oh venerable dragon who won't hurt humble Varek, right?
/:D
Of course not! Type to ya later! I'm late, as the giant white rabbit said!
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:23:15pm |
re: #1175 HoosierHoops
Hi Ice!
I'm wondering when is the cry for help..14 or 15 mistresses?
Tiger thought he was a world class stud..
He is a world class creep..And no Madison Ave. ad firm will change that..
The mighty have fallen my friend
Hiya Hoops!
I don't pretend to know what Tiger's issues are, but a lot of people seem to enter 'sex rehab' purely because they got caught. It's kind of a PR move. It also seems to be a way of saying 'Oooh, i have a disease or addiction, just like alcohol or drugs, so don't judge me! Kthnxbai!'
Whereas someone like my friend knew damn well all along that sex was just one more area in his life where he lacked control and was prone to destructive, compulsive, and stupid behaviours -- usually enabled by other genuine addictions -- and never made excuses for that behaviour or ever thought of it as anything but morally despicable.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:23:33pm |
re: #1184 ryannon
Even a French general isn't that stupid. Cynical maybe, but not stupid. As for Le Monde, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they eventually gave expression to their ever-present sense of national butthurt at America's expense. But for the moment, I sense that Sarkozy's minions are laboring mightily to keep the media on a tight leash.
And after reading the remark by the French minister in charge of humanitarian relief ("This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti"), I would like to know if he said this in English or French, because this sounds more like a snide comment and not actual perception. It comes across as nuanced snark, which the French are experts at.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:24:35pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:25:57pm |
re: #1191 ryannon
Oops. Misread "French in general" for "French general".
It's getting late.
That's ok, you thought is the same. It must be après minuit there.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:27:39pm |
re: #1189 iceweasel
Hiya Hoops!
I don't pretend to know what Tiger's issues are, but a lot of people seem to enter 'sex rehab' purely because they got caught. It's kind of a PR move. It also seems to be a way of saying 'Oooh, i have a disease or addiction, just like alcohol or drugs, so don't judge me! Kthnxbai!'Whereas someone like my friend knew damn well all along that sex was just one more area in his life where he lacked control and was prone to destructive, compulsive, and stupid behaviours -- usually enabled by other genuine addictions -- and never made excuses for that behaviour or ever thought of it as anything but morally despicable.
I hear ya Sister.. but you want real sex rehab? Send him to live with his In-Laws for 6 months.. He'll be begging to see his balls on web cam every week or so...
/Nice seeing you
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:27:41pm |
Tiger in group therapy:
"Hey babe, I can relate...not only am I a fabulously wealthy athlete, I am a jet fighter pilot. What's your sign..."
Bill Clinton: "Hey that's my line, tiger.."
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:27:54pm |
re: #1190 Walter L. Newton
And after reading the remark by the French minister in charge of humanitarian relief ("This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti"), I would like to know if he said this in English or French, because this sounds more like a snide comment and not actual perception. It comes across as nuanced snark, which the French are experts at.
Here's this from Lemonde with no translations.
Le rôle des Etats-Unis, qui assument de facto la la coordination des secours en Haïti et contrôlent l’aéroport de Port-au-Prince, doit être précisé par l’ONU, a estimé, lundi 18 janvier, le secrétaire d’Etat français à la coopération Alain Joyandet. “L’ONU est en train de travailler. J’espère que nous aurons une décision. J’espère que les choses seront précisées quant au rôle des Etats-Unis”, a déclaré le ministre sur Europe 1 , au retour d’un déplacement en Haïti. “Il s’agit d’aider d’Haïti, il ne s’agit pas d’occuper Haïti, il s’agit de faire en sorte qu’Haïti puisse reprendre vie”, a-t-il ajouté.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:27:57pm |
Over on Volokh, Ilya Somin opens the door with Let Haitians Vote with their Feet
As I have argued in my academic work and elsewhere, “voting with your feet” is a powerful tool for helping the poor and disadvantaged improve their lives and choose the government they wish to live under (e.g. here and here). Many Haitians have already transformed their lives by moving to the United States and other developed countries.
Pat Buchanan would not be pleased.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:30:30pm |
re: #1186 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll wildly speculate that it was dropped by a low level maintenance tech. I'm pretty sure astronauts are tested for all manner of things on a regular basis.
Yeah, astronauts can assault and plot to murder their boyfriend's other girlfriend but they'd never take illegal drugs. No siree.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:32:15pm |
re: #1190 Walter L. Newton
And after reading the remark by the French minister in charge of humanitarian relief ("This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti"), I would like to know if he said this in English or French, because this sounds more like a snide comment and not actual perception. It comes across as nuanced snark, which the French are experts at.
They can't help it. There are many reasons for this expertise, ranging from brilliant wit to the heavy boot of foreign occupation and even periods of home-grown tyranny. That kind of snark is a second language for the French. It's no wonder that they have such a hard time with learning any other.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:32:21pm |
re: #1195 Gus 802
Not much difference than what was in the Telegraph article. It still reads to me like a snark, not some notion that we are trying to occupy Haiti. He is talking about things like who is in charge, who should be, who would be most helpful, it's pride, not policy IMO.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:32:43pm |
Eileen and her husband Bob went for counseling after 25 years of marriage. When asked what the problem was, Eileen went into a passionate, painful tirade listing every problem they had ever had in the 25 years they had been married.
She went on and on and on: neglect, lack of intimacy, emptiness, loneliness, feeling unloved and unlovable, an entire laundry list of unmet needs she had endured over the course of their marriage.
Finally, after allowing this to go on for a sufficient length of time, the therapist got up, walked around the desk and after asking Eileen to stand, embraced her, unbuttoned her blouse and bra, put his hands on her breasts and massaged them thoroughly, while kissing her passionately as her husband Bob watched with a raised eyebrow!
Eileen shut up, buttoned up her blouse, and quietly sat down while basking in the glow of being highly aroused.
The therapist turned to Bob and said, 'This is what your wife needs at least three times a week. Can you help her with her needs?'
Bob thought for a moment and replied, 'Well, I can drop her off here on Mondays and Wednesdays, but on Fridays, I play golf'.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:32:52pm |
re: #1194 The Shadow Do
Tiger in group therapy:
"Hey babe, I can relate...not only am I a fabulously wealthy athlete, I am a jet fighter pilot. What's your sign..."
Bill Clinton: "Hey that's my line, tiger.."
(AP) Tiger breaks out of high-profile Malibu Sex Clinic..
Area in lockdown...more at 11pm
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:33:18pm |
re: #1197 Alouette
That's not what I was saying.
You don't think they get pre-flight tests for all kinds of things?
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:33:36pm |
re: #1199 Walter L. Newton
Not much difference than what was in the Telegraph article. It still reads to me like a snark, not some notion that we are trying to occupy Haiti. He is talking about things like who is in charge, who should be, who would be most helpful, it's pride, not policy IMO.
Yeah, basically a squabble. Could have been a second hand report about the actual heated argument on the ground.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:34:16pm |
re: #1196 freetoken
Over on Volokh, Ilya Somin opens the door with Let Haitians Vote with their Feet
Pat Buchanan would not be pleased.
Nor would I. The last thing we need right now is a major influx of poor, uneducated people.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:14pm |
The blitz of messages and videos on opposition sites and social networking forums highlighted the continued ability of anti-government forces to harness the Internet despite attempts by Iranian officials to cripple their Web outreach.
It also suggested that the Feb. 11 commemorations could become a replay of the street battles that have marked other major political and religions dates in past months that anti-government protesters have used to challenge the ruling system. In the latest violence, at least eight people died in clashes between security forces and opposition supporters across Iran in late December, including a nephew of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi.
SNIP
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:36:58pm |
Well, I am out for now. Beauty cream doesn't apply itself, ya know.
Later Lizards.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:38:57pm |
Dear Haiti.. We have a statue somebody gave us...It says this..
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset hates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lighting, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:47:38pm |
re: #1200 Racer X
What's the difference between a hooker, a mistress, and a wife, during sex?
The hooker screams: YES! YES! YES!
The mistress calls out: AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!
The wife mumbles: beige, beige, beige, I think we should paint the ceiling beige.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:17:28pm |
re: #1209 eclectic infidel
And you know this how? Or should I ask.....
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:18:48pm |
New thread upstairs! Gonna climb the latter up....
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:38:24pm |
re: #805 SixDegrees
It does, though, say a good deal about the processes used by the IPCC. My opinion of their work is currently somewhat diminished by this incident. How much remains to be seen, and will be determined largely by the IPCC's response to this matter.
The response was immediate, the Chairman of the IPCC Pachauri immediately denounced those finding the mistakes as engaging in "Voodoo Science".
Denounce and discredit, that is the stock and trade of the warmists who have perverted science.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:07:34pm |
re: #1041 windupbird
No sarc from me, I can't stand the sun. I think I have the opposite of seasonal affective disorder. My perfect working time is from about 11pm to 6am. Slam an energy drink, put on some weird heavy metal, turn on the Cintiq and crank out art assignments all night.
Same here, but different music and Turkish coffee.
(Why am I talking to myself on the dead thread?)
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