Carly Fiorina’s attack video on California Senate primary opponent Tom Campbell is simply the greatest political advertisement ever made.
Definitely makes me want to vote for her, because anyone willing to get this weird deserves my unstinting support.
I think Fiorina’s video even tops Dr. Gravel’s Presidential Performance Art.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:25:43am |
Hey, wasn't Carly part of McCain's campaign and helped crap out HP? Yeah, great credentials there.
This video? Too weird by half for me...
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:25:55am |
If only she had made anti-Dell advertisements like this for HP, she might not have so many shareholders pissed at her right now.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:26:52am |
I seriously doubt that Terry Gilliam is a Republican.
/half stolen.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:28:05am |
re: #3 lawhawk
Hey, wasn't Carly part of McCain's campaign and helped crap out HP? Yeah, great credentials there.
This video? Too weird by half for me...
+1 for creativity, even if it is a bit out there. Her less-than-stellar record is definitely going to bite her on the backside, but whoever she hired for PR is a flippin' genius.
| 8 |
Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:28:07am |
Aside from the uniquely bizarre imagery, there is the underlying appeal: we replace this fellow with a non-politician whose only track record is in the private sector, generating profit for herself and her clientele.
If she can sell that as the better alternative, more power to her.
| 9 |
webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:29:18am |
brawahahahahahahaha
That is BRILLIANT and batshit crazy....
Think of the sheep people!!
Oh Dear GOD it has read glowing eyes...
I lost my shit when they kept going from his face to the sheep eating.
Didn't Fiorina just about ruin HP?
| 10 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:29:50am |
/ Tomorrows war: Twitter, Facebook & YouTube... Oh my.
| 11 |
vxbush Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:29:56am |
re: #4 cliffster
If only she had made anti-Dell advertisements like this for HP, she might not have so many shareholders pissed at her right now.
She was terrible at HP. Caused so much trouble. So of course, that means she's perfect for politics.....
| 13 |
cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:04am |
re: #8 ralphieboy
Aside from the uniquely bizarre imagery, there is the underlying appeal: we replace this fellow with a non-politician whose only track record is in the private sector, generating profit for herself and her clientele.
If she can sell that as the better alternative, more power to her.
fail
| 14 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:13am |
Who's can do a "mash-up" and have the "bear that's out there" rip the sheep to shreds?
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:31:34am |
And this was only ever intended as a web based ad, right? If she's going for the 18-35 blogging crowd, then quirky, memorable dry wit is the way to do it.
The 'furry' vote may be pretty big in California. I didn't even know there was such a thing as those people until I saw a CSI episode about them killing each other at a furry convention. Is the word 'pervert' still allowed for furries?
| 17 |
Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:31:35am |
Somebody mention Terry Gilliam?
| 18 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:32:12am |
re: #10 brookly red
/ Tomorrows war: Twitter, Facebook & YouTube... Oh my.
Honestly, the above-named sites are bigger among older voters than many people think. My mom Facebooks, even. An effective Internet campaign run using strictly policed Twitter/Facebook accounts and well-produced, engaging YouTube videos could be extremely effective.
| 19 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:33:16am |
re: #18 thedopefishlives
Wow. An effective campaign could be effective. Note to wakened self: Learn to talk.
| 20 |
captdiggs Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:34:06am |
LOL!
You have to love the red-eyed sheep from hell.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:34:51am |
re: #18 thedopefishlives
Honestly, the above-named sites are bigger among older voters than many people think. My mom Facebooks, even. An effective Internet campaign run using strictly policed Twitter/Facebook accounts and well-produced, engaging YouTube videos could be extremely effective.
I hate when someone Googles on my Facebook.
| 22 |
webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:28am |
re: #16 keloyd
Is the word 'pervert' still allowed for furries?
Oh, HOW can you call the love between 2 humans dressed as kitty cats as anything OTHER then the perfect perfection that it is!!111!!!!
Not to mention the fan art it may spawn...
It is love, love i tell you...
/
I think batshit insane is a good word.
| 23 |
silentbob27 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:31am |
The way she tanked HP, I am surprised anyone would want her in ANY position.
| 24 |
lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:42am |
The hits keep on coming: Toyota recalling 270,000 Priuses over braking issues. That's on top of the millions of cars in the recall over acceleration issues.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:58am |
re: #19 thedopefishlives
Wow. An effective campaign could be effective. Note to wakened self: Learn to talk.
/perhaps it is time to look into the exciting & glamorous world of political speech writing!
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:11am |
re: #24 lawhawk
The hits keep on coming: Toyota recalling 270,000 Priuses over braking issues. That's on top of the millions of cars in the recall over acceleration issues.
Gotta love the CIA.
/
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abbyadams Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:14am |
Why does the wolf in the sheep costume have shoes on?
/scared
| 29 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:18am |
re: #21 Ben Hur
I hate when someone Googles on my Facebook.
Facebook (v): To engage in the act of throwing a book at someone's face.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:40am |
Catering to the ever elusive rightwing furry swing voter I see.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:37:21am |
re: #24 lawhawk
The hits keep on coming: Toyota recalling 270,000 Priuses over braking issues. That's on top of the millions of cars in the recall over acceleration issues.
But seriously, are the cars being recalled being manufactured in the US?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:37:37am |
re: #29 thedopefishlives
Facebook (v): To engage in the act of throwing a book at someone's face.
not to be confused with phonebooking...
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:09am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:37am |
re: #24 lawhawk
If they all come back at once along with the other recall what are the odds they collapse into a singularity and we get a Toyota Black Hole?
/
| 37 |
Spider Mensch Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:56am |
re: #32 Ben Hur
But seriously, are the cars being recalled being manufactured in the US?
I thought all toyota's sold in the USA are assembled in plants here..am I wrong?
| 38 |
Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:14am |
Okay innovative images. Points for that, and a blunt view. Points for that.
But wait. Hmm. Lets see if I understood...Tom Campbell makes the budget? That directorship is not an oversight role but a actual spending role? Not the Legislature?!... not existing law that mandates mammoth education spending, fixed benefit pensions for state workers? And facing red ink to the horizon caved on taxes and revenue increases.
Anyone remember Bush 42 and the tax increase coupled with spending limits? The later surplus was strictly a coincidence. Really.
| 39 |
Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:36am |
re: #36 oaktree
If they all come back at once along with the other recall what are the odds they collapse into a singularity and we get a Toyota Black Hole?
/
It will emerge from the black hole as ATOYOT and run on antimatter
| 40 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:37am |
re: #37 Spider Mensch
I thought all toyota's sold in the USA are assembled in plants here..am I wrong?
Canada & Mexico too IIRC
| 41 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:52am |
Talking sheep from hell? Seriously?
| 42 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:40:53am |
Now more than ever I wish I could watch videos at work.
| 43 |
Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:41:04am |
[Link: www.foxandhoundsdaily.com...]
What Tom had to say.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:06am |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Catering to the ever elusive rightwing furry swing voter I see.
You never know what 1/1000th of a percent will do!
| 45 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:08am |
Hmm, some research supporting the origin of life on Earth via geothermal vents rather than the old 'primordial soup' theory.
Second link is same story on Panda's Thumb. Link there for the image... :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:53am |
Trying to figure out why I would follow the political advice of a talking sheep.
| 47 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:44:17am |
Carly has accomplished "enormous things in life".
Don't be hatin'.
| 48 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:44:20am |
re: #46 EmmmieG
Trying to figure out why I would follow the political advice of a talking sheep.
Because it's better than the demonic sheep from hell? Come ON, drink the Kool-aid already.
| 49 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:44:39am |
re: #46 EmmmieG
If it was a llama you'd do it without question. ;)
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:03am |
re: #48 thedopefishlives
Because it's better than the demonic sheep from hell? Come ON, drink the Kool-aid already.
But it smells like bitter almond for some strange reason...
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:04am |
re: #46 EmmmieG
Trying to figure out why I would follow the political advice of a talking sheep.
4 legs good, 2 legs baaaaadd :)
| 52 |
Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:11am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:37am |
49 posts and no sheep puns?
That's baaaaaaad.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:52am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:46:13am |
re: #53 Mad Al-Jaffee
49 posts and no sheep puns?
That's baaad.
I have a cold. I'm a little wooly-headed.
| 56 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:46:37am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:08am |
re: #56 brookly red
But the frogurt comes with a free topping...
| 58 |
Locker Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:18am |
I believe there is a place around here that rents Satan's Sheep for tv and movie spots. Handy but hardly inexpensive...
| 59 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:25am |
re: #37 Spider Mensch
I thought all toyota's sold in the USA are assembled in plants here..am I wrong?
I don't know.
If they did, would they all have the same Union workers?
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Altermite Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:28am |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:29am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:47am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:49am |
Well, if we're gonna start with the sheep puns, alpaca bag and be on my way.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:50am |
re: #53 Mad Al-Jaffee
49 posts and no sheep puns?
That's baaad.
Ram it down our throats, now, will ya?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:48:08am |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:48:25am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:48:39am |
| 68 |
Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:48:55am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:05am |
re: #63 subsailor68
Well, if we're gonna start with the sheep puns, alpaca bag and be on my way.
Are you kidding?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:28am |
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:33am |
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:55am |
re: #59 Ben Hur
I don't know.
If they did, would they all have the same Union workers?
Toyota has no unions.
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subsailor68 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:57am |
re: #69 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are you kidding?
LOL! When you're on the lamb, it's good to take a bag with ya isn't it?
| 76 |
lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:50:27am |
re: #47 Racer X
Very few people on the planet have taken a formerly successful company and run it into the ground the way she did. She's in elite company. C Michael Armstrong at AT&T and Al Dunlap at Sunbeam come to mind... along with the folks at Chrysler and GM who have overseen their corporate disintegrations...
| 77 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:50:37am |
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Spider Mensch Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:51:04am |
re: #59 Ben Hur
I don't know.
If they did, would they all have the same Union workers?
I would say so..but I'm not positive
I think all Lexus are still assembled in japan and shipped over, but mostly all the toyota's are put together here. Parts primarily from japan. Cheaper to ship them in bulk pieces and assembled here than shipped as one unit.
| 80 |
Idle Drifter Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:51:54am |
In Soviet Russia you don't, uh something, sheep. Sheep, uh something, you!
///
Anymore sheep jokes?
| 81 |
elizajane Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:00am |
That's hilarious, but it makes me want to vote for him. A demon sheep might be just the thing we need in California!
Seriously, though, the "no new taxes" pledge is a gimmick and if he refused to sign it, more power to him.
| 82 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:08am |
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:15am |
| 85 |
Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:05am |
Man, another fatal shark attack, this time in FL. Reminds me why I don't go to the beach.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:10am |
re: #81 elizajane
That's hilarious, but it makes me want to vote for him. A demon sheep might be just the thing we need in California!
Seriously, though, the "no new taxes" pledge is a gimmick and if he refused to sign it, more power to him.
Did you not see all the taxes he's supported?
| 87 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:26am |
re: #80 Idle Drifter
In Soviet Russia you don't, uh something, sheep. Sheep, uh something, you!
///
Anymore sheep jokes?
What's the most popular Rolling Stones song in Scotland?
Hey, McCleod, Get off of My Ewe
| 88 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:58am |
re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee
in bed?
Matty told Hatty about a thing she saw.
Had two big horns and a wooly jaw. ...
| 89 |
subsailor68 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:41am |
re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Man, another fatal shark attack, this time in FL. Reminds me why I don't go to the beach.
You got that right! Like my grandpa used to say, "well, sir, me and them sharks have made a deal. They stay out of my living room and I'll stay out of their ocean. So far, they've kept their end and so have I".
| 90 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:45am |
| 91 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:57am |
re: #16 keloyd
The 'furry' vote may be pretty big in California. I didn't even know there was such a thing as those people until I saw a CSI episode about them killing each other at a furry convention. Is the word 'pervert' still allowed for furries?
Furries dress in costumes, furverts dress in costumes for sex, then there's the plushies... don't google that. Trust me. Just don't.
| 93 |
Idle Drifter Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:29am |
The movie Black Sheep was funnier. Complete with Weresheep!
| 95 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:56:06am |
re: #88 brookly red
Matty told Hatty about a thing she saw.
Had two big horns and a wooly jaw. ...
Wolly Bulleeeeeee!!!
| 97 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:05am |
re: #95 Mad Al-Jaffee
Wolly Bulleee!!!
Matty told Hatty, "That's the thing to do.
Get you someone really to pull the wool with you."
| 98 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:21am |
re: #91 MrSilverDragon
Furries dress in costumes, furverts dress in costumes for sex, then there's the plushies... don't google that. Trust me. Just don't.
I chickened out and went to Wiki.
Buncha' deviated preverts.
| 100 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:41am |
re: #97 brookly red
Matty told Hatty, "That's the thing to do.
Get you someone really to pull the wool with you."
Spicoli: I KNOW that song!
| 101 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:58:31am |
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:59:26am |
Bar ram ewe, Bar ram ewe, to your fleece, your breed be true, sheep be true, bar ram ewe....
Maybe that could be the new codephrase for the furrie vote in California... works for talking pigs...
//cant believe i remember that..
| 103 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:59:53am |
From the "Imagine If" file:
| 104 |
Idle Drifter Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:00:32pm |
re: #91 MrSilverDragon
Furries dress in costumes, furverts dress in costumes for sex, then there's the plushies... don't google that. Trust me. Just don't.
Somethings can't be unseen. Ever.
| 105 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:01:29pm |
I have an idea. Not sure if it's going to work - it's a little complicated for most people to follow.
Instead if raising taxes, how about we spend less?
| 107 |
Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:07pm |
Tom Campbells vote record.
I think I can make a case the sheep ad is a very deceptive ad. Apparently no connection between moderate and straightforward.
| 108 |
Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:29pm |
re: #105 Racer X
That is not allowed here.
| 109 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:35pm |
re: #105 Racer X
I have an idea. Not sure if it's going to work - it's a little complicated for most people to follow.
Instead if raising taxes, how about we spend less?
EWE HAIT POUR PEEPEL
| 110 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:44pm |
re: #102 jeremy0114
Bar ram ewe, Bar ram ewe, to your fleece, your breed be true, sheep be true, bar ram ewe...
Maybe that could be the new codephrase for the furrie vote in California... works for talking pigs...
//cant believe i remember that..
That'll do pig, that'll do.
| 111 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:03:40pm |
re: #105 Racer X
I have an idea. Not sure if it's going to work - it's a little complicated for most people to follow.
Instead if raising taxes, how about we spend less?
It's the right thing to do, therefore it will never be done.
| 112 |
Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:05:03pm |
re: #105 Racer X
I have an idea. Not sure if it's going to work - it's a little complicated for most people to follow.
Instead if raising taxes, how about we spend less?
OK, I got some tar, who has the feathers and a rail?
//
| 113 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:05:48pm |
re: #105 Racer X
Your idea only means one thing.
You got yours already and don't want the rest of us to get ours.
//// need I?
| 114 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:06:35pm |
| 115 |
webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:06:40pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
EWE HAIT POUR PEEPEL
Stop with the LOL, it blinds me and makes me agree with everything you write.
She blinded me with LOL....
| 116 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:06:51pm |
re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
OK, I got some tar, who has the feathers and a rail?
//
/f' that it's not my job, a besides I'm on my break...
| 117 |
RadicalModerate Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:07:04pm |
re: #3 lawhawk
Hey, wasn't Carly part of McCain's campaign and helped crap out HP? Yeah, great credentials there.
This video? Too weird by half for me...
Yeah, Carly was the one responsible for the HP/Compaq trainwreck, and was one of the biggest proponents of outsourcing technology jobs overseas (primarily to India), which alienated her from a huge number of professionals in the IT sector.
| 119 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:29pm |
re: #118 ralphieboy
Gonna post that video on Ewe Tube
A ewe tube is a bratwurst where I come from...
| 120 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:45pm |
re: #76 lawhawk
Very few people on the planet have taken a formerly successful company and run it into the ground the way she did. She's in elite company. C Michael Armstrong at AT&T and Al Dunlap at Sunbeam come to mind... along with the folks at Chrysler and GM who have overseen their corporate disintegrations...
But not just once - DEC
Not just twice - COMPAQ
But three times - HP - a corporate destroyer.
And the time at Lucent wasn't exactly stellar either.
She is absolute disaster for any company she touches.
William
| 121 |
Idle Drifter Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:55pm |
| 122 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:10:04pm |
I'm surprised no one has brought this up...
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm glad it hasn't.
I've been working in IT too long, and seen way too much.
| 123 |
webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:01pm |
re: #120 wlewisiii
She is absolute disaster for any company she touches.
William
You know, if most of us sucked at ours jobs that bad we would be unable to get a fucking job.
Maybe that's why she wants to go into politics.
| 124 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:11pm |
Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Security
Don't look now. But even as the bank bailout is winding down, another huge bailout is starting, this time for the Social Security system.
A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes than it is spending on benefits.
| 125 |
Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:21pm |
re: #120 wlewisiii
The Remo Williams of IT Corporations? She should put that on her resume that way.
| 126 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:32pm |
I'm leaving early today. Better get ready to hoof it out of here.
| 127 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:51pm |
| 128 |
philosophus invidius Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:11:51pm |
She's a "political outsider" AND a "proven fiscal conservative".
Logic be damned!
| 129 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:18pm |
re: #125 oaktree
The Remo Williams of IT Corporations? She should put that on her resume that way.
You move like a pregnant Yak.
| 130 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:13:04pm |
re: #125 oaktree
The Remo Williams of IT Corporations? She should put that on her resume that way.
Upding, because I love that movie.
| 131 |
webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:13:39pm |
| 132 |
MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:14:36pm |
re: #130 Ben Hur
Upding, because I love that movie.
Oh, so you're the other person that saw it? Joel Grey does a great job in that flick.
| 133 |
Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:15:16pm |
re: #122 MrSilverDragon
I'm surprised no one has brought this up...
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm glad it hasn't.
I've been working in IT too long, and seen way too much.
You have reached the end of the Internet. There is nothing more to see.
/I thought I had a large cache of weird shit bookmarked.
| 134 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:15:25pm |
| 136 |
YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:16:40pm |
Any ideas on why the markets are so off today.
As I read here prior to reg. some had good post on why the markets went up now it is down. What is the main cause?
Thanks
| 137 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:17:40pm |
Society for the Eradication of Demon Sheep From Our Political Discourse has already been set up!
[Link: www.demonsheep.org...]
(it raises funds for Devore, lol)
| 138 |
Idle Drifter Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:19:12pm |
re: #133 Ben Hur
You have reached the end of the Internet. There is nothing more to see.
/I thought I had a large cache of weird shit bookmarked.
There is no end of the internet, just a deep endless void where no light escapes. Beware, the voices from the void keep tempting people with free cookies.
| 139 |
Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:19:39pm |
This all just brings back fond memories of those magical summers up on Brokeback Mountain...*sniff*
| 140 |
SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:19:48pm |
re: #136 YaYa
Any ideas on why the markets are so off today.
As I read here prior to reg. some had good post on why the markets went up now it is down. What is the main cause?Thanks
A big jump in unemployment claims.
| 141 |
brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20:27pm |
re: #136 YaYa
Any ideas on why the markets are so off today.
As I read here prior to reg. some had good post on why the markets went up now it is down. What is the main cause?Thanks
up or down investor confidence is always the cause.
| 142 |
Spider Mensch Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20:43pm |
| 143 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20:44pm |
re: #131 webevintage
Wow, I thought I had seen every crazy ass thing on the internet.
You obviously haven't been looking too hard.
TrueCompanion NSFW
| 144 |
Ziggy Standard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:21:41pm |
Awesome. More evil pantomime sheep in political ads , please.
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fizzlogic Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:22:55pm |
What's fiscally conservative about railing against huge budget deficits and borrowing while at the same time railing against raising revenue to pay for it all with taxes? Oh wait, I forgot, cutting taxes raises revenue and raising taxes decreases revenue. Ignorance is strength; slavery is freedom; and war is peace. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:04pm |
re: #135 Ben Hur
You Cary E'wes? Or are you simply the Dread Pirate Roberts?
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:12pm |
Then too if the sell off is due to lack of condidence in the market is there a cause that is the main reason for that?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:28pm |
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subsailor68 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:54pm |
re: #141 brookly red
up or down investor confidence is always the cause.
Hi brooklyred! I agree. And investor confidence is usually caused by uncertainty. Unexpected unemployment numbers, news about the Social Security status, legislation status (think health and cap-and-trade), the proposed budget (along with the attending shortfalls and discussions on raising the debt ceiling), the debt itself. along with other factors too numerous to cite here. When the market is uncertain, confidence drops, and we see things like what's happening today.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:54pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:25:52pm |
re: #145 YaYa
What are the current main causes of job loses?
Groucho Marx
But what makes wage slaves? Wages!
See is as a blow for Emancipation
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:25:56pm |
Definitely a cool video, but it only proves that she has a creative advertising agency. Carly flushed HP down the crapper, what makes her think she can unflush California, which is already in the crapper?
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:14pm |
YaYa's sister is retired, lives in Chama New Mexico now.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:21pm |
FWIW, Campbell seems to be leading Fiorina in the polls. I would expect that lead to widen, unless Campbell counters with a sheepdog-based ad of his own.
I loathe Fiorina, simply because she attempted to destroy the World's Finest Calculator Line during her tenure at HP and deserves to burn in Hell for it.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:23pm |
re: #145 YaYa
What are the current main causes of job loses?
Eeebil korporashuns cair moor abut prophets.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:28pm |
re: #153 subsailor68
Hi brooklyred! I agree. And investor confidence is usually caused by uncertainty. Unexpected unemployment numbers, news about the Social Security status, legislation status (think health and cap-and-trade), the proposed budget (along with the attending shortfalls and discussions on raising the debt ceiling), the debt itself. along with other factors too numerous to cite here. When the market is uncertain, confidence drops, and we see things like what's happening today.
attacking the banks doesn't help much either...
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:29:16pm |
re: #159 MandyManners
Especially Nike and Burger King.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:30:14pm |
Dang it... can't listen... just watching.
Video is cool tho.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:30:51pm |
Can't wait to watch it again tonight while under the influence.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:31:21pm |
re: #145 YaYa
What are the current main causes of job loses?
People who expect to get paid for the work they do.
/
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:31:48pm |
re: #161 lawhawk
Especially Nike and Burger King.
Wow. I knew about Burger King but I had no idea about Nike.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:32:10pm |
re: #144 Jimmah
Awesome. More evil pantomime sheep in political ads , please.
Yes.
I would vote for this.
All pols must make one furry ad an election season.
and it must make me laugh....
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:33:23pm |
I'm can't wait for UPS to deliver my new 42" HDTV. I even took my old TV off and scrubbed down the pedestal. Scrubbed down the VHS and DVD players and untangled all the cables.
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:33:36pm |
Just when our 401's got to looking better this.
Gold cost to much. Gold hard to store and earns no interest.
What to do?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:34:51pm |
re: #168 YaYa
Just when our 401's got to looking better this.
Gold cost to much. Gold hard to store and earns no interest.
What to do?
Sit tight and wait for them to go back up?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:35:46pm |
re: #168 YaYa
Just when our 401's got to looking better this.
Gold cost to much. Gold hard to store and earns no interest.
What to do?
gold is easy to store but it at I high now so I would not recommend it...
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RadicalModerate Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:36:13pm |
CNN just broke that ten of the US Baptists involved in the attempt to bring children across the Haitian/Dominican Republic border are being charged with child kidnapping and criminal association.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:36:17pm |
re: #169 MandyManners
Buy! Buy!! Buy!!!! /Mortimer Duke
Sell! Sell! Sell! /Randolf Duke
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:36:28pm |
MandyManners,
Yes, seems best, we are only in our 30's so time should help.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:36:48pm |
re: #171 RadicalModerate
CNN just broke that ten of the US Baptists involved in the attempt to bring children across the Haitian/Dominican Republic border are being charged with child kidnapping and criminal association.
Felonies are funny like that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:37:10pm |
re: #171 RadicalModerate
It appears that they should be...
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:37:23pm |
re: #165 MandyManners
Wow. I knew about Burger King but I had no idea about Nike.
The eeville Nike sneaker.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:38:11pm |
re: #171 RadicalModerate
"I forgot that taking children out of a country without papers to offer for adoption was against the law."
-Steve Martin
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:38:19pm |
Didn't Fiorina have a problem with bugging (as in wiretapping) the offices? So not only is she bat-sheep crazy, she's paranoid too. Perfect for office.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:38:19pm |
re: #171 RadicalModerate
CNN just broke that ten of the US Baptists involved in the attempt to bring children across the Haitian/Dominican Republic border are being charged with child kidnapping and criminal association.
Has Pat Robertson weighed in yet?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:38:30pm |
re: #172 lawhawk
Buy! Buy!! Buy!!! /Mortimer Duke
Sell! Sell! Sell! /Randolf Duke
Now I have an urge for some orange juice.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:13pm |
re: #180 MandyManners
Now I have an urge for some orange juice.
Though attractive, I don't think Boehner is Jewish.
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:28pm |
We talked at noon about it, wife is concered that Iran's noise about doing something Feb.11 may be part of the cause.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:29pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:52pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:40:36pm |
re: #182 YaYa
We talked at noon about it, wife is concered that Iran's noise about doing something Feb.11 may be part of the cause.
What is it about the eleventh day of a month?
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RadicalModerate Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:10pm |
re: #178 RogueOne
I don't think that the wiretapping had to do with Fiorina, but with her successor, Patty Dunn - who was using some underhanded methods to attempt to plug press leaks from the HP boardroom.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:30pm |
re: #181 Ben Hur
Though attractive, I don't think Boehner is Jewish.
There is a circumcision joke in there somewhere.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:32pm |
re: #159 MandyManners
Gerbil coprolites can mold able proponents?
A new theory on how to find competent political candidates?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:39pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:56pm |
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Bubblehead II Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:42:11pm |
OT: This isn't going to help the Universal Health Care supporters.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:42:11pm |
re: #190 oaktree
Gerbil coprolites can mold able proponents?
A new theory on how to find competent political candidates?
Say again?
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:42:13pm |
re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is a circumcision joke in there somewhere.
I know.
I was trying to think of one.
LOL!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:42:37pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:42:47pm |
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:43:22pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:43:33pm |
re: #196 MandyManners
The one in 1979?
Thought the revolution was before that, when they ousted the Shah.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:44:01pm |
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:44:18pm |
re: #187 RadicalModerate
I don't think that the wiretapping had to do with Fiorina, but with her successor, Patty Dunn - who was using some underhanded methods to attempt to plug press leaks from the HP boardroom.
You're right, I wasn't.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:44:31pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:44:32pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:45:05pm |
re: #185 RogueOne
I trust a court to figure it out.
What did they think... "Well, if his momma is still alive, he'll still have a better life... so, maybe she'll think he died anyway.".
I just think it was an idea consumed by an eagerness to do something good, clouded with stupidity.
Still a legal issue though.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:45:06pm |
re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thought the revolution was before that, when they ousted the Shah.
Wiki says the first demos were in 1/78.
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RogueOne Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:45:31pm |
I feel dirty. Yesterday I was forced to defend McCain and now I just used a D. Kos link. I need a nap. Have a good day folks.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:45:44pm |
re: #202 Ben Hur
Humbolt?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! ??!?!?!?!?
Useta' be some good weed grown in that county.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:45:47pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:46:33pm |
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:46:43pm |
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:47:03pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:47:47pm |
re: #211 MandyManners
Maybe they'll get it right this time.
I don't see any way they can do worse that what they have now...
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:49:05pm |
re: #172 lawhawk
I love that movie! I have my whole retirement in FCOJ!
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:49:57pm |
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 20:20:21 UTC
Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 12:20:21 PM at epicenter
Location 40.431°N, 124.929°W
Depth 11.2 km (7.0 miles)
Region OFFSHORE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances 56 km (35 miles) WNW (282°) from Petrolia, CA
59 km (36 miles) WSW (254°) from Ferndale, CA
68 km (42 miles) WSW (256°) from Fortuna, CA
76 km (47 miles) WSW (239°) from Eureka, CA
363 km (225 miles) NW (306°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 1.4 km (0.9 miles); depth +/- 2 km (1.2 miles)
Parameters Nph=101, Dmin=50 km, Rmss=0.35 sec, Gp=227°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=4
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID nc71348851
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Cokezero Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:50:05pm |
Once it has been seen, it can never be unseen...
*speechless*
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:50:35pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:50:46pm |
re: #206 RogueOne
I feel dirty. Yesterday I was forced to defend McCain and now I just used a D. Kos link. I need a nap. Have a good day folks.
I just think that shows some critical thinking skills.
Don't drink either side's Kool-Aid!
Rock on!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:51:03pm |
re: #214 brookly red
I don't see any way they can do worse that what they have now...
No where to go but up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:52:57pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:54:18pm |
California's taxophobia is what put it in the mire. Not taxes; the pathological aversion to them. The refusal to pay for the services you demand.
Americans in general want everything taxes can provide except when it comes time to pay them.
The decline and fall of my old empire took centuries. I didn't live to enjoy or bewail the outcome.
Something tells me this time I'm going to get to see it all for myself.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:55:19pm |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 20:20:21 UTC
Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 12:20:21 PM at epicenter
Location 40.431°N, 124.929°W
Depth 11.2 km (7.0 miles)
Region OFFSHORE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances 56 km (35 miles) WNW (282°) from Petrolia, CA
59 km (36 miles) WSW (254°) from Ferndale, CA
68 km (42 miles) WSW (256°) from Fortuna, CA
76 km (47 miles) WSW (239°) from Eureka, CA
363 km (225 miles) NW (306°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 1.4 km (0.9 miles); depth +/- 2 km (1.2 miles)
Parameters Nph=101, Dmin=50 km, Rmss=0.35 sec, Gp=227°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=4
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID nc71348851
God is getting closer.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:57:45pm |
re: #225 Cato the Elder
California's taxophobia is what put it in the mire. Not taxes; the pathological aversion to them. The refusal to pay for the services you demand.
Americans in general want everything taxes can provide except when it comes time to pay them.
The decline and fall of my old empire took centuries. I didn't live to enjoy or bewail the outcome.
Something tells me this time I'm going to get to see it all for myself.
Should someone be forced to pay for services they dont ask for or wish to take part in? Government should not be a service related industry.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:58:23pm |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 20:20:21 UTC
Thursday, February 04, 2010 at 12:20:21 PM at epicenter
Location 40.431°N, 124.929°W
Depth 11.2 km (7.0 miles)
Region OFFSHORE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances 56 km (35 miles) WNW (282°) from Petrolia, CA
59 km (36 miles) WSW (254°) from Ferndale, CA
68 km (42 miles) WSW (256°) from Fortuna, CA
76 km (47 miles) WSW (239°) from Eureka, CA
363 km (225 miles) NW (306°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 1.4 km (0.9 miles); depth +/- 2 km (1.2 miles)
Parameters Nph=101, Dmin=50 km, Rmss=0.35 sec, Gp=227°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=4
Source California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID nc71348851
Oh noes! It teh ghey!
//////////need I?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:58:48pm |
re: #226 Cato the Elder
God is getting closer.
He's been here a long time, just most people don't seem to pay attention to him.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:59:23pm |
re: #225 Cato the Elder
I would venture to say that the taxes people pay are going to provide services to people who do not pay taxes... Just a supposition... I understand, the people who pay think if they rail against tax increases then they will in effect curb spending.
Good luck with that.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:00:10pm |
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:00:33pm |
re: #227 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Should someone be forced to pay for services they dont ask for or wish to take part in? Government should not be a service related industry.
Talk to me again when those of us who don't think we need another fucking fighter plane get to opt out of paying for it.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:00:52pm |
re: #230 jeremy0114
I would venture to say that the taxes people pay are going to provide services to people who do not pay taxes... Just a supposition... I understand, the people who pay think if they rail against tax increases then they will in effect curb spending.
Good luck with that.
the curb in spending will be caused by the fact that there is no more money.
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Ericus58 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:01:08pm |
re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
didn't we have an event recently in this area.... several weeks ago?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:01:28pm |
re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He's been here a long time, just most people don't seem to pay attention to him.
Which is why he pounded Haiti. As a warning.
Right?
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:01:30pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Maybe more friends moving IN.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:01:57pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
their inlaws & their dogs are moving in??
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:02:00pm |
re: #233 brookly red
Agreed, no more money and no more ability to leverage state assets in order to obtain capital...
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Altermite Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:03:08pm |
re: #230 jeremy0114
I would venture to say that the taxes people pay are going to provide services to people who do not pay taxes... Just a supposition... I understand, the people who pay think if they rail against tax increases then they will in effect curb spending.
Good luck with that.
I doubt that. In my experience, people who don't want to pay taxes really aren't thinking about government spending. They would just prefer to have that money.
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BlackFedora Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:03:46pm |
That ad was surreal..... I am... WOW. That's like the Twin Peaks of political attack ads.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:03:54pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
They came back? I thought they were in hiding to protect their mutt from rabies testing.
Did the old lady ever find out in time, or did she have to go through the shots for no reason?
If the latter, give me your address. I'll drive over and have a "talk" with those folks right now.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:04:13pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
I had a neighbor once who informed me he was moving with:
I have some good news for you..."
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:04:44pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:04:50pm |
re: #232 Cato the Elder
Talk to me again when those of us who don't think we need another fucking fighter plane get to opt out of paying for it.
The Constitution says the Government shall provide for the Common Defense, it doesn't say anything about the myriad special interest programs which nickel and dime the budgets to death.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:19pm |
re: #239 Altermite
Agreed, hence the people who pay are the ones who rail against the new or increased taxes, the recipients could care less of the source of the benefit they receive... Generally speaking...
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:24pm |
re: #244 Ben Hur
That other sign is a bit...I don't know...not nice?
HA! I didn't even see that one.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:26pm |
re: #233 brookly red
the curb in spending will be caused by the fact that there is no more money.
And the whiny little bitches who moaned the loudest about taxes will be first in line to complain about the state of their roads and schools.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:45pm |
re: #242 Cato the Elder
They came back? I thought they were in hiding to protect their mutt from rabies testing.
Did the old lady ever find out in time, or did she have to go through the shots for no reason?
If the latter, give me your address. I'll drive over and have a "talk" with those folks right now.
Now there's a reality show idea for you. An ancient Roman senator appears and harangues idiots in proper Latin for their anti-social and unneighborly behavior. Give him a cohort of Legionnaires as a back-up too.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:05:49pm |
re: #235 Cato the Elder
Which is why he pounded Haiti. As a warning.
Right?
Pat Robertson sure as hell didn't listen to him.
| 251 |
Stanghazi Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:06:19pm |
A new Rasmussen poll supplies a very interesting data point in the ongoing debate about the budget deficit: As it turns out, Republican voters would prefer having a deficit if it meant they can get more tax cuts, instead of raising taxes in order to balance the budget.
Another Rasmussen number finds that only a very small minority knew the correct answer to this one: "Is the following statement true or false? Most federal spending is spent on only three programs--Social Security, Medicare and national defense." The correct answer is "True," but only 35% answered that way, with a 44% plurality saying false.
"These figures highlight a massive failure of leadership from both Republicans and Democrats among the nation's political elite," Scott Rasmussen wrote in the analysis. "Given the amount of political chatter about the budget in recent years, it is almost beyond comprehension that neither party has seen fit to highlight the basics so that the American people can make reasoned choices on the fundamental issues before them."
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:06:20pm |
re: #232 Cato the Elder
I thought most of that was on the federal level... what kind of military assets does the State of California own?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:06:20pm |
re: #238 jeremy0114
Agreed, no more money and no more ability to leverage state assets in order to obtain capital...
In AZ they are going to start taxing food... I don't think that is even constitutional.re: #248 Cato the Elder
And the whiny little bitches who moaned the loudest about taxes will be first in line to complain about the state of their roads and schools.
look at the bright side... they may just move away.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:07:04pm |
re: #252 jeremy0114
I thought most of that was on the federal level... what kind of military assets does the State of California own?
And here I thought it was Texas that was going to secede
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:07:35pm |
re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Constitution says the Government shall provide for the Common Defense, it doesn't say anything about the myriad special interest programs which nickel and dime the budgets to death.
Nor does it say that the word "defense" shall be a magic ticket to ream the public for infinite military boondoggles. But I guess that shit gets a pass from you.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:07:44pm |
re: #252 jeremy0114
I thought most of that was on the federal level... what kind of military assets does the State of California own?
The 103rd San Fransiscan Rifle Brigade "The Screamming Ninnies!"
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:08:15pm |
re: #253 brookly red
The roads already suck and the schools are underperforming... more money will fix that?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:08:39pm |
re: #252 jeremy0114
I thought most of that was on the federal level... what kind of military assets does the State of California own?
/don't make me post the "breasts non bombs" pics...
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:08:50pm |
I find this ad to be in the fear mongering category. Fear mongering light. The wolf in sheep's clothing thing is nearly always in poor taste.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:09:30pm |
re: #257 jeremy0114
The roads already suck and the schools are underperforming... more money will fix that?
no, it's a done deal Cali is toast.
| 261 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:09:38pm |
re: #252 jeremy0114
I thought most of that was on the federal level... what kind of military assets does the State of California own?
The biggest collection of rich-ass-beyond-imagination defense contractors in the world.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:09:46pm |
re: #255 Cato the Elder
Nor does it say that the word "defense" shall be a magic ticket to ream the public for infinite military boondoggles. But I guess that shit gets a pass from you.
Yup, 100% of our budget should go to every project the Pentagon wants with no oversight and the rest of us should just go suck it up. Thats exactly the point I was trying to make. Your clever insight and rapier wit cuts to the quick again. Well played sir.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:10:25pm |
I got no problem paying my fair share of taxes.
I have a huge problem with government officials treating our tax money as a free pass to do shit that does not make good economic sense.
I have a huge problem with wasteful spending, and politicians getting perks the rest of us don't get.
/but then again, we can debate all day long what is wasteful spending.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:11:07pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:11:21pm |
re: #263 Racer X
I got no problem paying my fair share of taxes.
I have a huge problem with government officials treating our tax money as a free pass to do shit that does not make good economic sense.
I have a huge problem with wasteful spending, and politicians getting perks the rest of us don't get.
/but then again, we can debate all day long what is wasteful spending.
if it doesn't directly help me it is wasteful...
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:11:54pm |
re: #261 Cato the Elder
But thise jets you speak of would be purchased on the federal level... correct? So that would not affect the State of California's budget.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:12:23pm |
re: #265 brookly red
if it doesn't directly help me it is wasteful...
Right. Just like a slut is a woman who isn't currently fucking me...
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:10pm |
re: #268 Cato the Elder
Right. Just like a slut is a woman who isn't currently fucking me...
you took that from ice, like one day ago.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:15pm |
re: #266 jeremy0114
But thise jets you speak of would be purchased on the federal level... correct? So that would not affect the State of California's budget.
Probably not, since the defense contractors long since figured out how to avoid paying any taxes.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:19pm |
re: #266 jeremy0114
But thise jets you speak of would be purchased on the federal level... correct? So that would not affect the State of California's budget.
well the people that build them would have jobs & pay taxes...
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RadicalModerate Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:21pm |
re: #171 RadicalModerate
Followup to my own post (again from CNN)- the ten charged will not be released on bail while waiting for the charges to be heard - they will be sitting in jail for the forseeable future.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:23pm |
re: #265 brookly red
Well, i hope that is dripping with a bit of sarcasm...
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:23pm |
re: #259 Silvergirl
I find this ad to be in the fear mongering category. Fear mongering light. The wolf in sheep's clothing thing is nearly always in poor taste.
Barack Obama is not running in the California GOP primaries.
My #2 post was sarcasm.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:13:50pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:14:11pm |
re: #268 Cato the Elder
Right. Just like a slut is a woman who isn't currently fucking me...
you are even more cheerful than usual today...
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subsailor68 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:15:30pm |
It appears that we're going to be spending even more:
House Votes to Hike Debt Limit
This increase is needed now, to cover existing programs! We've got to get this under control. As everyone here knows, government can only raise the funds to cover this increase three ways:
Tax
Borrow
Print
None of these options are good options in a sagging economy.
If we can't somehow address spending - brutally if need be - we're done.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:15:38pm |
re: #273 jeremy0114
Well, i hope that is dripping with a bit of sarcasm...
a bit? my sarc is industrial strength.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:15:52pm |
re: #270 Cato the Elder
Well unless they get a card to give to their employees to get out of paying state sales tax, gas tax and property tax on their homes, I wouldn't say that statement is completely correct...
But I know what you're saying...
Im in Washington and own a business, and if I was Boeing, the state would bend over and reduce my B&O taxes too.... But i'm not... so off I go to pay...
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:16:15pm |
Why is it that if a women, by her own free will, decides to sleep with many men, she is a "Slut" and I, who has slept with 100s upon hundreds of women, sometimes in groups of 2,3,4 and one time 5, am not?!?
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:16:17pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:16:46pm |
re: #265 brookly red
if it doesn't directly help me it is wasteful...
You're going to hate this then:
Pelosi Party Planes?
According to the documents, which we obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the Speaker’s military travel cost the Air Force $2,100,744.59 over a two-year period — $101,429.14 for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol. (Lots and lots of alcohol.)Speaker Pelosi used Air Force aircraft to travel back to her district at an average cost of $28,210.51 per flight. The average cost of an international congressional delegation (CODEL) is $228,563.33. Of the 103 Pelosi-led CODELs, 31 trips included members of the House Speaker’s family.
One CODEL traveling from Washington, D.C. through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq from May 15-20, 2008, “to discuss matters of mutual concern with government leaders” included members of Congress and their spouses and cost $17,931 per hour in aircraft alone. Purchases for the CODEL included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.
According to a “Memo for Record” from a CODEL March 29 – April 7, 2007, that involved a stop in Israel, “CODEL could only bring Kosher items into the Hotel. Kosher alcohol for mixing beverages in the Delegation room was purchased on the local economy i.e. Bourbon, Whiskey, Scotch, Vodka, Gin, Triple Sec, Tequila, etc.”
The Department of Defense advanced a CODEL of 56 members of Congress and staff $60,000 to travel to Louisiana and Mississippi July 19-22, 2008, to “view flood relief advances from Hurricane Katrina.” The three-day trip cost the U.S. Air Force $65,505.46, exceeding authorized funding by $5,505.46.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:16:50pm |
re: #280 Ben Hur
Why is it that if a women, by her own free will, decides to sleep with many men, she is a "Slut" and I, who has slept with 100s upon hundreds of women, sometimes in groups of 2,3,4 and one time 5, am not?!?
The word for you is: "Full of shit"
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:17:14pm |
Bosom bombers: Women have explosive breast implants
Agents for Britain's MI5 intelligence service have discovered that Muslim doctors trained at some of Britain's leading teaching hospitals have returned to their own countries to fit surgical implants filled with explosives, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
Women suicide bombers recruited by al-Qaida are known to have had the explosives inserted in their breasts under techniques similar to breast enhancing surgery. The lethal explosives – usually PETN (pentaerythritol Tetrabitrate) – are inserted during the operation inside the plastic shapes. The breast is then sewn up.
Similar surgery has been performed on male suicide bombers. In their cases, the explosives are inserted in the appendix area or in a buttock.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:17:52pm |
re: #280 Ben Hur
Why is it that if a women, by her own free will, decides to sleep with many men, she is a "Slut" and I, who has slept with 100s upon hundreds of women, sometimes in groups of 2,3,4 and one time 5, am not?!?
you were only trying to get into their stashes... there is another word for that.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:00pm |
re: #271 brookly red
My point.. Im answering the charge by Cato that the California has no money because of the fucking jets the military has to have. If anythign defense spending helps the states where business operations ore conducted, not hurt.
Federal waste hurts us all collectively, however. Military and otherwise...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:29pm |
re: #281 cliffster
plagiarism!
The C.A.T.O. bot and the ICEWEASEL 9000 share many compatible subroutines.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:40pm |
re: #282 Racer X
I only had to read the first word to know I don't like it...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:43pm |
re: #276 brookly red
you are even more cheerful than usual today...
The happiest day of my life was when I figured out that my opinion about anything has no effect on anything but my affect.
It was about a week ago.
Believe me, I am one of the most cheerful people you'll ever meet.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:46pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:18:48pm |
re: #280 Ben Hur
Why is it that if a women, by her own free will, decides to sleep with many men, she is a "Slut" and I, who has slept with 100s upon hundreds of women, sometimes in groups of 2,3,4 and one time 5, am not?!?
Wanking off to pics on the internet does not constitute having slept with them Ben.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:19:57pm |
My son watched the ad and when the "sheep in wolf's clothing with the red eyes" showed up he LOL's and asked if it was going to "hump one of the sheep because you can't unsee shit like that".....
Gotta go take him to work.
see ya....
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:19:58pm |
re: #286 jeremy0114
My point.. Im answering the charge by Cato that the California has no money because of the fucking jets the military has to have. If anythign defense spending helps the states where business operations ore conducted, not hurt.
Federal waste hurts us all collectively, however. Military and otherwise...
I am all for military spending, especially these days.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:21:26pm |
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:21:37pm |
re: #292 Decatur Deb
Are these owned by the States? Or are they detachments from the National Guard that reside in a particular state? I would like ot know who has the titles and has to buy the tabs for the license plates on the military equipment the national guard has...
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:21:38pm |
#284
Are those ass bombs or ass's with bombs, or bomb ass's?
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altermite Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:21:42pm |
re: #293 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wanking off to pics on the internet does not constitute having slept with them Ben.
I have also slept with lots of women at once. This happens in tents and large beds. Sex is another story.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:21:55pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:22:51pm |
U.S. stock market pummeled by credit issues overseas
"Manufacturing orders in Germany were much weaker than expected, and that has shaken the market up, so it's not just the fiscal situation with Club Mediterranean countries in the Euro zone," said John Brady, senior vice president in the interest-rate products group at MF Global.
Investors already worried about the large deficits in countries including Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece are now worried that "global economies may not see the V-shape recovery that we have witnessed in the global equity markets," Brady said.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average was lately off 228.99 points, or 2.2%, at 10,041.56, with aluminum giant Alcoa Inc. /quotes/comstock/13*!aa/quotes/nls/aa (AA 12.91, -0.58, -4.30%) weighing the most on the blue chips, late off 4%.
Bummer.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:23:19pm |
re: #295 brookly red
Me too... absolutely!
But I am not above saying I am against waste, wilitary and otherwise... I'm not 'principled' enough to use the 'all Government spending is good spending.'
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:23:19pm |
re: #295 brookly red
I am all for military spending, especially these days.
I am all for responsible government spending, wether it is for military or anything else.
Irresponsible spending - at the state (CA) and federal levels - is out of fucking control. These people need to be stopped or we are all fucked for a very long time.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:23:48pm |
re: #286 jeremy0114
My point.. Im answering the charge by Cato that the California has no money because of the fucking jets the military has to have. If anythign defense spending helps the states where business operations ore conducted, not hurt.
Federal waste hurts us all collectively, however. Military and otherwise...
That was not my charge.
California has no money because ever since Prop Whatever (the Great Property Tax Revolt) the dumbass voters have nixed any sensible and necessary rate increases while demanding their representatives pass spending bills to cover their wish lists.
Now they blame it on the politicians.
It's a textbook case of people getting the government they deserve.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:24:12pm |
re: #298 jeremy0114
Are these owned by the States? Or are they detachments from the National Guard that reside in a particular state? I would like ot know who has the titles and has to buy the tabs for the license plates on the military equipment the national guard has...
They are owned by the state, and report to the governor through the state adjutant general, unless federalized. The feds kick in much of the costs. It is important that they be under state control to avoid posse comitatus problems.
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:24:48pm |
So, credit issues overseas is why the market is so down today. My wife and I were worried is was more local to the U.S. problems.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:24:51pm |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
U.S. stock market pummeled by credit issues overseas
Bummer.
Are you sure we can't link it to something stupid Obama said?
/
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mr. hammer Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:25:05pm |
2:27. Look fast. Veeery creepy. (and funny!)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:25:22pm |
re: #306 Decatur Deb
They are owned by the state, and report to the governor through the state adjutant general, unless federalized. The feds kick in much of the costs. It is important that they be under state control to avoid posse comitatus problems.
/perhaps a tad of penicillin?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:26:03pm |
Hmmm....
Loan repurchases are a $10 billion problem for big banks
just when they thought the worst of the mortgage crisis was behind them, billions of dollars in bad loans from the debacle may be rising from the dead and creeping back on the balance sheets of the largest U.S. banks.
....
The trend is also pitting big lenders, insurers and mortgage-finance institutions against each other. That's a big change from the previous decade, when they worked together to fuel the housing boom by originating, insuring and securitizing mortgages in record amounts.Christopher Whalen, managing director of research firm Institutional Risk Analytics, offered up a colorful metaphor for the unfolding situation.
"The wave of loan repurchase demands on securitization sponsors is the next area of fun in the zombie dance party, namely the part where different zombies start to eat each other," Whalen wrote in a note to clients Tuesday.
That doesn't sound good.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:26:23pm |
re: #305 Cato the Elder
I think if votes were weighted with the proportion of tax you pay, you would see that the recipients far outweigh the people who pay taxes.
As long as politicians can be bought people who receive tax money will get the government the rest of us pay for.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:26:58pm |
re: #308 Racer X
Are you sure we can't link it to something stupid Obama said?
/
I'm sure I could easily find a headline for that. Economic reporting stinks.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:27:09pm |
re: #306 Decatur Deb
Good to know... I know that the states had charge of them, but they are the 'National Guard' after all...
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:27:17pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:28:26pm |
re: #305 Cato the Elder
That was not my charge.
California has no money because ever since Prop Whatever (the Great Property Tax Revolt) the dumbass voters have nixed any sensible and necessary rate increases while demanding their representatives pass spending bills to cover their wish lists.
Now they blame it on the politicians.
It's a textbook case of people getting the government they deserve.
Wrong.
CA is fucked because the politicians continue to spend money irresponsibly. Google and you will find hundreds of instances of wasteful spending. Saying you aren't getting enough money coming in is like saying "I don't have enough money to live like a millionaire, but I'm going to anyway".
Live within your means.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:28:27pm |
re: #310 brookly red
/perhaps a tad of penicillin?
That would be The Resistance
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:28:28pm |
re: #312 jeremy0114
I think if votes were weighted with the proportion of tax you pay, you would see that the recipients far outweigh the people who pay taxes.
As long as politicians can be bought people who receive tax money will get the government the rest of us pay for.
Could you translate that into English, please? Especially the first sentence.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:29:34pm |
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:29:54pm |
re: #282 Racer X
Yeah, because Gringrich and Hastert traveled by covered wagon and consumed nothing but bread and water.
/
(Is there a "disgust" signoff?)
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:30:11pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
I think he is advocating some system where someone who pays $1000 in taxes gets 10x the voting power of someone who pays $100 in taxes.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:30:42pm |
re: #314 jeremy0114
Good to know... I know that the states had charge of them, but they are the 'National Guard' after all...
They are the closest realization of the militias cited in the 2nd Amendment.
Various states, including Cal. have other real militias reporting to the governors.
(Not the wannabes)
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YaYa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:30:42pm |
#318
I think he is saying, not enough payers, and to many getting paid.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:30:51pm |
re: #320 torrentprime
Yeah, because Gringrich and Hastert traveled by covered wagon and consumed nothing but bread and water.
/
(Is there a "disgust" signoff?)
Who?
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:30:54pm |
re: #320 torrentprime
Yeah, because Gringrich and Hastert traveled by covered wagon and consumed nothing but bread and water.
/
(Is there a "disgust" signoff?)
The "but they did it too" argument?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:31:16pm |
re: #316 Racer X
Wrong.
CA is fucked because the politicians continue to spend money irresponsibly. Google and you will find hundreds of instances of wasteful spending. Saying you aren't getting enough money coming in is like saying "I don't have enough money to live like a millionaire, but I'm going to anyway".
Live within your means.
The politicians are spending money on behalf of their taxophobic voters, who demand services they aren't willing to pay for.
It's the voters, not the politicians, who call the tune. More so in California than in any other state, thanks to their experiment with direct popular legislation.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:31:26pm |
re: #326 Racer X
Ahhh the moral equivalence... dont it feel good...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:33:39pm |
re: #321 oaktree
I think he is advocating some system where someone who pays $1000 in taxes gets 10x the voting power of someone who pays $100 in taxes.
Maybe. I'm assuming he learned to write like that as a psych or poli-sci major, where incomprehensibility passes for depth.
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jeremy0114 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:33:46pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
My points may not be as succinct as yours, but I try... Oh well...
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:33:49pm |
re: #316 Racer X
Wrong.
CA is fucked because the politicians continue to spend money irresponsibly. Google and you will find hundreds of instances of wasteful spending. Saying you aren't getting enough money coming in is like saying "I don't have enough money to live like a millionaire, but I'm going to anyway".
Live within your means.
Wrong. Do you know what the prop system did to the legislature's ability to govern? How much of the budget is required to go to this and that, chosen by the people in a bare 50% +1 vote and then unable to be overridden? Try balancing your checkbook when the neighbors get to decide what 1/3 of your money goes to.
Which part of the CA budget would you cut? We already know what the governor pushed through - cuts to education and medicine, but a nice hard line on prisons and non-violent offenders - it's more important to keep pot smokers in jail than provide aid to the sick and elderly. Argh.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:34:53pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
You are completely right.
Not that politicians do not have responsibility to act within the framework the voters erected, but in California we have a self-defeating framework.
I think we kind of have one nationally, too, but it's damn apparent here.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:35:07pm |
re: #330 jeremy0114
My points may not be as succinct as yours, but I try... Oh well...
I honestly did not understand a word of that post.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:35:14pm |
re: #326 Racer X
The "but they did it too" argument?
Wow, that was almost more intellectually dishonest than the original post.
No, it's the "Explain how this was never a problem when the Rs did it, but somehow now its a threat to our country when the other side does." I think the word is hypocrisy?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:35:14pm |
re: #16 keloyd
And this was only ever intended as a web based ad, right? If she's going for the 18-35 blogging crowd, then quirky, memorable dry wit is the way to do it.
The 'furry' vote may be pretty big in California. I didn't even know there was such a thing as those people until I saw a CSI episode about them killing each other at a furry convention. Is the word 'pervert' still allowed for furries?
ahaha you're TALKING TO ONE, dude! :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:36:36pm |
re: #316 Racer X
Wrong.
CA is fucked because the politicians continue to spend money irresponsibly. Google and you will find hundreds of instances of wasteful spending. Saying you aren't getting enough money coming in is like saying "I don't have enough money to live like a millionaire, but I'm going to anyway".
Live within your means.
Do you believe every state should have crazy huge supermajority required to pass a budget? I figure there's a reason most states don't.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:37:04pm |
re: #331 torrentprime
Argh indeed.
My state (CA) is broke. The federal government is broke. We need to start acting like we are aware of that fact.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:37:32pm |
re: #337 WindUpBird
Do you believe every state should have crazy huge supermajority required to pass a budget? I figure there's a reason most states don't.
And making it even worse, even that supermajority can't override a ballot prop, no matter how much it affects the budget or economy.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:37:38pm |
re: #336 WindUpBird
I will fight to the deaths for your rights, but man, furries confuse the hell out of me. It's the one thing I just can't stay cool in the presence of.
I think it's a matter of such a large percentage of the furry community having zero social skills, partially.
It's also that I have phobias related to cloth and teeth touching.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:37:55pm |
re: #335 torrentprime
Wow, that was almost more intellectually dishonest than the original post.
No, it's the "Explain how this was never a problem when the Rs did it, but somehow now its a threat to our country when the other side does." I think the word is hypocrisy?
After providing some backup that Gingrich/Hastert came anywhere near Pelosi's largesse, repeat the following over and over again:
Worst recession since the Depression. Must make sacrifices.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:37:57pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:38:39pm |
re: #335 torrentprime
Wow, that was almost more intellectually dishonest than the original post.
No, it's the "Explain how this was never a problem when the Rs did it, but somehow now its a threat to our country when the other side does." I think the word is hypocrisy?
Never is a big word.
I have criticized both parties on many occasions.
Think whatever you like.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:39:17pm |
re: #9 webevintage
brawahahahahahahaha
That is BRILLIANT and batshit crazy...
Think of the sheep people!!
Oh Dear GOD it has read glowing eyes...I lost my shit when they kept going from his face to the sheep eating.
Didn't Fiorina just about ruin HP?
So they say. That's her primary qualification to run the state.
It's going to be a very interesting race.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:39:55pm |
Now just what the hell is a "furry"? I don't watch teevee.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:40:53pm |
re: #338 Racer X
Argh indeed.
My state (CA) is broke. The federal government is broke. We need to start acting like we are aware of that fact.
I don't disagree. In fact, I take it as progress that a conservative (? just guessing; tell me if I'm assuming incorrectly) admits that the GOP has never acted like it was aware of - or cared about - that fact either.
Last, spending money on things which will save money later or create jobs is not automatically wasteful spending. This is the biggest problem I have with the current GOP party line - they act as if they didn't just spend us into a record deficit and that their expenditures weren't "socialism."
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:41:10pm |
re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist
So they say. That's her primary qualification to run the state.
It's going to be a very interesting race.
Hey, ruining a major international corporation and still having enough to run for office - now that's someone I can admire!
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:41:29pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:42:50pm |
re: #347 torrentprime
I don't disagree. In fact, I take it as progress that a conservative (? just guessing; tell me if I'm assuming incorrectly) admits that the GOP has never acted like it was aware of - or cared about - that fact either.
Last, spending money on things which will save money later or create jobs is not automatically wasteful spending. This is the biggest problem I have with the current GOP party line - they act as if they didn't just spend us into a record deficit and that their expenditures weren't "socialism."
Yes, and they act like any investment in anything but their trust funds is money thrown out the window.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:43:03pm |
re: #347 torrentprime
I don't disagree. In fact, I take it as progress that a conservative (? just guessing; tell me if I'm assuming incorrectly) admits that the GOP has never acted like it was aware of - or cared about - that fact either.
Last, spending money on things which will save money later or create jobs is not automatically wasteful spending. This is the biggest problem I have with the current GOP party line - they act as if they didn't just spend us into a record deficit and that their expenditures weren't "socialism."
It's not a record anymore.
It's been tripled in less than half the time.
And during the worst recession since the Great Depression, not during the longest period of economic growth in a generation.
You are comparing apples and oranges by comparing Clinton's/Bush's economy to what's happening during Obama's term.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:44:29pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:44:42pm |
re: #338 Racer X
Argh indeed.
My state (CA) is broke. The federal government is broke. We need to start acting like we are aware of that fact.
StimulisIV!
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:44:46pm |
re: #341 Ben Hur
After providing some backup that Gingrich/Hastert came anywhere near Pelosi's largesse, repeat the following over and over again:
Worst recession since the Depression. Must make sacrifices.
Prove that Hastert and Gingric didn't. You fired the "A Dem spent this money"; it's a meaningless attack unless you explain how the parties acted differently.
Sacrifices? Health care reform, which will save money for the entire country and reign in spending on the same as health care continues to bankrupt business and the government? Really? What should we "sacrifice" that for? Let me guess - tax cuts?
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Ericus58 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:45:09pm |
Seized North Korea arms cache still a mystery
Los Angeles Times 02/04/2010
Author: Mark Magnier
Copyright 2010 The Los Angeles Times
"Nearly two months after the seizure here of a charter plane carrying 35 tons of weapons shipped from North Korea, the mystery remains as to where the rockets and other armaments were headed."
"North Korean sales of missiles, missile parts and other arms to countries such as Iran, Syria and Myanmar are believed to contribute hundreds of millions of dollars annually to Pyongyang's hard-currency earnings. While the sale of such relatively routine weapons would normally not be illegal, in this case it violates the ban imposed under a U.N. resolution of June 2009 designed to punish North Korea after it fired a long-range missile and mounted a second nuclear test."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:45:15pm |
re: #16 keloyd
And this was only ever intended as a web based ad, right? If she's going for the 18-35 blogging crowd, then quirky, memorable dry wit is the way to do it.
The 'furry' vote may be pretty big in California. I didn't even know there was such a thing as those people until I saw a CSI episode about them killing each other at a furry convention. Is the word 'pervert' still allowed for furries?
Furries largely vote along party lines, rather than for the politician with the best animal costume themed ad.
And the CSI episode wasn't all that realistic.
I dunno. Do you call foot fetishists perverts? It's just a fetish. Harmless one. We may have more furries in CA than in some places, but they're not exactly a focus group.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:45:58pm |
re: #345 Cato the Elder
Now just what the hell is a "furry"? I don't watch teevee.
Hercules. Lion's pelt.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:47:11pm |
re: #347 torrentprime
I avoid labeling myself. I'm conservative on some issues, liberal on others. Never belonged to a political party, so I'm not going to toe the party line.
I think, and vote, on things that are rational to me and my family.
Tripling down on the budget deficit seems irrational to me.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:47:58pm |
re: #355 torrentprime
Prove that Hastert and Gingric didn't. You fired the "A Dem spent this money"; it's a meaningless attack unless you explain how the parties acted differently.
Sacrifices? Health care reform, which will save money for the entire country and reign in spending on the same as health care continues to bankrupt business and the government? Really? What should we "sacrifice" that for? Let me guess - tax cuts?
Operative.
Later.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:48:13pm |
re: #352 Ben Hur
I like the "I inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit" line from Obama. Half of the 1.3 trillion was the bailout, so including it in the figure is marginally sensible at best since it's not "annual spending" as Obama implies. Of that half, half again wasn't used. Obama is trying to funnel it into other programs. So it'll reduce his perceived deficit, while incorrectly applying it to Bush.
And, of the part that WAS used, much of it was paid back.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:48:31pm |
re: #333 Obdicut
You are completely right.
Not that politicians do not have responsibility to act within the framework the voters erected, but in California we have a self-defeating framework.
I think we kind of have one nationally, too, but it's damn apparent here.
One angle is to look at the budget increase from year to year....see if it seems reasonable...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:48:50pm |
re: #123 webevintage
You know, if most of us sucked at ours jobs that bad we would be unable to get a fucking job.
Maybe that's why she wants to go into politics.
I just don't get why they won't pay me a lot of money to run a giant company into the ground. I bet I would be good at it.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:48:58pm |
re: #352 Ben Hur
It's not a record anymore.
It's been tripled in less than half the time.
And during the worst recession since the Great Depression, not during the longest period of economic growth in a generation.
You are comparing apples and oranges by comparing Clinton's/Bush's economy to what's happening during Obama's term.
I repeat - what was the money spent on? You cannot simply compare one money stack to another. If the 94 - 08 crowd spent it on green lantern rings (Iraq), and the Ds spent it on infrastructure and health care reform, which will help stop the runaway spending on health care - how is that bad? I'm not saying it can't be proven, but "you spent more than me" doesn't mean anything. It's like saying someone's $10,000 401k investment was more "wasteful" than someone's $3,000 bar tab because it cost more.
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:49:16pm |
re: #361 cliffster
I like the "I inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit" line from Obama. Half of the 1.3 trillion was the bailout, so including it in the figure is marginally sensible at best since it's not "annual spending" as Obama implies. Of that half, half again wasn't used. Obama is trying to funnel it into other programs. So it'll reduce his perceived deficit, while incorrectly applying it to Bush.
And, of the part that WAS used, much of it was paid back.
I'm out of that one.
That was surreal.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:49:30pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
And then there's Ghastly, who fits a whole category by himself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:49:32pm |
re: #128 philosophus invidius
She's a "political outsider" AND a "proven fiscal conservative".
Logic be damned!
That is a tad confusing.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:50:17pm |
re: #280 Ben Hur
Why is it that if a women, by her own free will, decides to sleep with many men, she is a "Slut" and I, who has slept with 100s upon hundreds of women, sometimes in groups of 2,3,4 and one time 5, am not?!?
Because you're a teddy-bear?
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Ben Hur Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:51:28pm |
re: #364 torrentprime
I repeat - what was the money spent on? You cannot simply compare one money stack to another. If the 94 - 08 crowd spent it on green lantern rings (Iraq), and the Ds spent it on infrastructure and health care reform, which will help stop the runaway spending on health care - how is that bad? I'm not saying it can't be proven, but "you spent more than me" doesn't mean anything. It's like saying someone's $10,000 401k investment was more "wasteful" than someone's $3,000 bar tab because it cost more.
This is delusional.
Carry on, but I am not.
Though I will give you this:
Talk to me when Soc Sec is bankrupt and I post a vid of Obama (in the front row) and the Dems giving a raucous standing ovation about cutting off any reform to save it.
Don't bother answering.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:51:39pm |
re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist
Furries largely vote along party lines, rather than for the politician with the best animal costume themed ad.
And the CSI episode wasn't all that realistic.
I dunno. Do you call foot fetishists perverts? It's just a fetish. Harmless one. We may have more furries in CA than in some places, but they're not exactly a focus group.
We have our share of weird unusual in NYC, but I think the furrie population is between 3 & 5, they are not allowed to leave the campus & their is absolutely no danger of them breeding.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:51:48pm |
re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist
That is a tad confusing.
Concrete poetry. It's all in the sound of the words.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:52:20pm |
re: #361 cliffster
I like the "I inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit" line from Obama. Half of the 1.3 trillion was the bailout, so including it in the figure is marginally sensible at best since it's not "annual spending" as Obama implies. Of that half, half again wasn't used. Obama is trying to funnel it into other programs. So it'll reduce his perceived deficit, while incorrectly applying it to Bush.
And, of the part that WAS used, much of it was paid back.
And how much of the projected deficit is accountable to stopping the accounting gimmicks the Bush admin used to hide the cost of the wars from the bottom line? Part of the budget explosion is because we're actually counting the cost of little things like two-front wars. One of my big respects for Obama is how he's willing to take the political hit on simply acting like a grown-up and not pretending like if you hide the war cost in another ledger, it doesn't count. Someone had to count that stuff eventually.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:53:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:54:05pm |
re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I trust a court to figure it out.
What did they think... "Well, if his momma is still alive, he'll still have a better life... so, maybe she'll think he died anyway.".
I just think it was an idea consumed by an eagerness to do something good, clouded with stupidity.
Still a legal issue though.
If I make any sense out of it at all, it seems they lied to the parents.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:54:34pm |
re: #364 torrentprime
I repeat - what was the money spent on? You cannot simply compare one money stack to another. If the 94 - 08 crowd spent it on green lantern rings (Iraq), and the Ds spent it on infrastructure and health care reform, which will help stop the runaway spending on health care - how is that bad? I'm not saying it can't be proven, but "you spent more than me" doesn't mean anything. It's like saying someone's $10,000 401k investment was more "wasteful" than someone's $3,000 bar tab because it cost more.
Health Care Reform will not stop runaway spending, it will just force the country into bankruptcy quicker as DC pays for 35% of peoples' runaway spending. And make the insurance companies even richer. If you haven't yet realized that Congress does much of what it does to make their rich buddies even richer, you would be well served in understanding that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:54:43pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:54:49pm |
re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist
I just don't get why they won't pay me a lot of money to run a giant company into the ground. I bet I would be good at it.
Can i be VP of Crushing Souls and Dreams?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:55:12pm |
re: #369 Ben Hur
Ben, I thought his point was perfectly reasonable. One of my biggest problems with the way people talk about government spending is that $500,00 spent to clean up some toxic crap that'll kill people and $500,000 used to refurbish someone's office are often treated the same. If we're concerned about government waste, the question of 'what was the spending for', as well as 'what did the spending achieve' should always be a primary question.
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Ericus58 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:55:25pm |
Previous Quake in area of today's event:
Magnitude 6.5
Date-Time
* Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 00:27:39 UTC
* Saturday, January 09, 2010 at 04:27:39 PM at epicenter
* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 40.652°N, 124.692°W
Depth 29.3 km (18.2 miles)
Region OFFSHORE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
Distances
* 37 km (23 miles) WNW (283°) from Ferndale, CA
* 42 km (26 miles) WSW (258°) from Humboldt Hill, CA
* 45 km (28 miles) WSW (254°) from Bayview, CA
* 47 km (29 miles) WSW (251°) from Eureka, CA
* 361 km (224 miles) NW (311°) from Sacramento, CA
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.6 km (0.4 miles); depth +/- 1.3 km (0.8 miles)
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:55:40pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:56:32pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:56:39pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:56:48pm |
Comparing our current economic situation to anything that has previously transpired is a waste of time. It accomplishes nothing.
How to resolve our current financial crisis is the question. I would like answers. My suggestion is to quit spending so freaking much money. We don't have it to spend.
We got into this mess due to a crisis of debt; we will not get out of it by doing the same thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:57:29pm |
re: #230 jeremy0114
I would venture to say that the taxes people pay are going to provide services to people who do not pay taxes....
I pay taxes. I use services. Huh?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:58:02pm |
re: #385 Aceofwhat?
We should have a meeting
We'll need to have a concall before the meeting to dicuss the agenda, then after the meeting, a round table discussion to go over what we learned at the meeting.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:58:21pm |
re: #232 Cato the Elder
Talk to me again when those of us who don't think we need another fucking fighter plane get to opt out of paying for it.
That's different.
////
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:58:39pm |
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:59:06pm |
re: #376 cliffster
Health Care Reform will not stop runaway spending, it will just force the country into bankruptcy quicker as DC pays for 35% of peoples' runaway spending. And make the insurance companies even richer. If you haven't yet realized that Congress does much of what it does to make their rich buddies even richer, you would be well served in understanding that.
I agree the conservadems Senate plan is pretty much that; the House plan not so much.
If I haven't yet realized it yet? Why do you think I changed to blue voting and donations two cycles ago? I got tired of donating to the GOP congressional campaigns watching indoor greenhouses in GOP districts get funding while our roads, bridges, and airports fell apart.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:59:09pm |
re: #388 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We'll need to have a concall before the meeting to dicuss the agenda, then after the meeting, a round table discussion to go over what we learned at the meeting.
Just don't forget to invite Jeff. He has the bong hits.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:59:36pm |
re: #388 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As VP of Bong Hits, I've decided your harshing the mellow and are no longer needed at meetings. Can you check to make sure the toilets are flushing?
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:00:44pm |
re: #392 Aceofwhat?
I've been proactive and taken care of the situation. Meetings everyday at 4:20.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:00:47pm |
re: #393 Jeff In Ohio
As VP of Bong Hits, I've decided your harshing the mellow and are no longer needed at meetings. Can you check to make sure the toilets are flushing?
That's the kind of thinking that got you promoted to VP in the first place. Keep it up and there'll be hash in the bonus pool...
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:00:54pm |
re: #386 Racer X
We got into this mess due to a crisis of debt; we will not get out of it by doing the same thing.
This isn't the whole "CRA and Fannie/Freddie caused a global economic meltdown" is it? That zombie refuses to die.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:01:15pm |
re: #388 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We'll need to have a concall before the meeting to dicuss the agenda, then after the meeting, a round table discussion to go over what we learned at the meeting.
In Elbonia.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:02:04pm |
re: #390 Aceofwhat?
but i have years of experience...
/your personal relationships are irrelevant ...
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:03:05pm |
re: #393 Jeff In Ohio
As VP of Bong Hits, I've decided your harshing the mellow and are no longer needed at meetings. Can you check to make sure the toilets are flushing?
I've checked the documentation from engineering at it doesn't seem like you submitted your request properly. You'll need to resubmit your request thru the ticketing system, then make sure you get approval from the managers from all groups involved, then we can submit your request to the scheduling group to arrange for it to be looked at in the next weeks upcoming maintentance request meeting and see who is available to look at your issue and get an answer back to you.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:04:01pm |
re: #386 Racer X
If we're spending money on things that actually save us money, we really should keep doing that. If by giving someone food stamps I can prevent a more serious cost, I want to be spend the money to give them food stamps. If by spending money on more police on the beat we can pay less victim compensation and have less lost revenue—if it really saves money—I want to do it. If it’s pragmatic, doesn’t infringe on rights, and does not have a pure free-market solution, we should do it.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:04:13pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:04:25pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:04:49pm |
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:04:53pm |
re: #391 torrentprime
I agree the conservadems Senate plan is pretty much that; the House plan not so much.
If I haven't yet realized it yet? Why do you think I changed to blue voting and donations two cycles ago? I got tired of donating to the GOP congressional campaigns watching indoor greenhouses in GOP districts get funding while our roads, bridges, and airports fell apart.
The democrats are even worse than the GOP when it comes to lining their buddies' pockets. See - Wall Street and Campaign Contributions. And, then they stand before us and talk about Republicans screwing Main Street and helping out Wall Street. Nice work if you can get it. But let's not get into a pissing match about which party is more apt to take your hard-earned money and use it for their own winning-of-friends and influencing-of-people.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:05:40pm |
re: #398 brookly red
/your personal relationships are irrelevant ...
/oh, but there's nothing like a fistful of inappropriate personal relationships to line the evil filing cabinets in the department of Crushed Hopes and Dreams...
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:05:42pm |
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:02pm |
re: #396 torrentprime
This isn't the whole "CRA and Fannie/Freddie caused a global economic meltdown" is it? That zombie refuses to die.
Saying something isn't true doesn't make it actually not true, no matter how many times you say it.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:13pm |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:21pm |
re: #404 MandyManners
Don't snort the orange powder.
/Don't tell the VP of Bong Hits how to do his druuugs
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:34pm |
re: #405 cliffster
But let's not get into a pissing match about which party is more apt to take your hard-earned money and use it for their own winning-of-friends and influencing-of-people.
Agreed. :)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:48pm |
re: #406 Aceofwhat?
/oh, but there's nothing like a fistful of inappropriate personal relationships to line the evil filing cabinets in the department of Crushed Hopes and Dreams...
Hmmm, Crushed Hopes and Dreams? do you know PowerPoint?
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:06:59pm |
re: #399 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I've checked the documentation from engineering at it doesn't seem like you submitted your request properly. You'll need to resubmit your request thru the ticketing system, then make sure you get approval from the managers from all groups involved, then we can submit your request to the scheduling group to arrange for it to be looked at in the next weeks upcoming maintentance request meeting and see who is available to look at your issue and get an answer back to you.
Ooooo, your good, sounds like the nonsense my wife spews at the supper table when she starts ranting about work, er I mean the, um, EBUL KOROPOREASHUN she slaves at.
This is why I've VP of Bong Hits.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:07:33pm |
re: #407 brookly red
what ever happened to Tang anyway?
It's still around.
[Link: www.kraftfoodscompany.com...]
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:07:46pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:08:10pm |
re: #407 brookly red
what ever happened to Tang anyway?
It collapsed after the Huang Cho Rebellion in 884.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:08:25pm |
re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist
Dibs on VP of Reading Books and Not Paying Attention
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:08:53pm |
re: #408 cliffster
Saying something isn't true doesn't make it actually not true, no matter how many times you say it.
So leveraging had nothing to do with it? The rollback of glass-steagall and the banks merry games for a decade or so weren't involved? Senator Gramm and Clinton? It was the poor people who brought the world economy to its knees?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:09:08pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:09:33pm |
re: #413 brookly red
Hmmm, Crushed Hopes and Dreams? do you know PowerPoint?
Raises hand.
I'm real freelance coprorate Powerpoint Monkey, or as my slaves at P&G say, the "Fucking DaVinci of Power Point".
Yes, it helps to get high first.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:09:58pm |
re: #413 brookly red
Hmmm, Crushed Hopes and Dreams? do you know PowerPoint?
"If your words or images are not on point, making them dance in color will make them relevant."
(corrupted Tufte quote)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:10:32pm |
re: #421 Jeff In Ohio
Raises hand.
I'm real freelance coprorate Powerpoint Monkey, or as my slaves at P&G say, the "Fucking DaVinci of Power Point".
Yes, it helps to get high first.
any HR experience?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:11:24pm |
re: #421 Jeff In Ohio
Raises hand.
I'm real freelance coprorate Powerpoint Monkey, or as my slaves at P&G say, the "Fucking DaVinci of Power Point".
Yes, it helps to get high first.
“PowerPoint presentations too often resemble a school play - very loud, very slow, and very simple.”
tufte
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:11:58pm |
re: #412 torrentprime
Agreed. :)
I have actually become much, much more cynical in the last couple of years. re: #419 torrentprime
So leveraging had nothing to do with it? The rollback of glass-steagall and the banks merry games for a decade or so weren't involved? Senator Gramm and Clinton? It was the poor people who brought the world economy to its knees?
The epidemic of extremely risky loans, which never would have happened on its own, along with repackaging of them and grossly obfuscating the risks, played a very large role, yes.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:11:59pm |
re: #421 Jeff In Ohio
Raises hand.
I'm real freelance coprorate Powerpoint Monkey, or as my slaves at P&G say, the "Fucking DaVinci of Power Point".
Yes, it helps to get high first.
“The bottom line is that anyone who can click a mouse can have their innermost thoughts blown up to CinemaScope size and plastered across the conference room wall. With PowerPoint, we are all the Tom Cruise of our offices, only not as good looking and much more wacky.”
bob goldman
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:12:03pm |
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:12:27pm |
More data on our schizophrenic electorate and political discourse:
Americans overwhelmingly reject all types of government spending cuts Pew Poll
More than five out of six Americans are opposed to cutting 98% of the federal budget. Most don't want to cut the remaining 2%, either.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:12:49pm |
re: #427 Jeff In Ohio
Is that a pharmaceutical, or does it grow somewhere?
It grows in dark moist places...
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:13:16pm |
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:13:27pm |
re: #425 cliffster
Oops, sorry torrentprime, I started out replying to your previous post, saying that I am much more cynical now than I was just a few years ago, because Congress has simply lost all shame when it comes to passing bills for their buddies.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:13:41pm |
re: #231 Alouette
I know there is a G-D.
There is a moving van in front of my neighbor's house. The ones with the obnoxious pit bulls and the yapping little hairball.
Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
That's the trouble with Tribbles, they make too much damn noise :D
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:13:53pm |
re: #425 cliffster
The epidemic of extremely risky loans, which never would have happened on its own, along with repackaging of them and grossly obfuscating the risks, played a very large role, yes.
Again, "played a very large part" versus "the poor colored people destroyed Merica" is progress. I'll take it.
(and I'm not imparting that last sentiment to you. I spend too much time reading Free Republic)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:13:57pm |
re: #423 brookly red
any HR experience?
is there any powerpoint presentation more priceless than a "sexual harassment / workplace behavior" show?
now that is a presentation i look forward to every year, especially when HR lets a greenie run it.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:07pm |
re: #430 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
...in bed.
Accck, long ago I dated my HR manager.... never again.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:19pm |
re: #431 cliffster
Oops, sorry torrentprime, I started out replying to your previous post, saying that I am much more cynical now than I was just a few years ago, because Congress has simply lost all shame when it comes to passing bills for their buddies.
Gotcha, and agree.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:21pm |
re: #425 cliffster
Why do you say the loans wouldn't have happened on their own? The vast majority of the loans had absolutely nothing to do with any government program.
So didn't they happen on their own? What do you mean by 'happen on their own'?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:37pm |
re: #425 cliffster
The epidemic of extremely risky loans, which never would have happened on its own, along with repackaging of them and grossly obfuscating the risks, played a very large role, yes.
Hey, cool, we agree on something!
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:43pm |
re: #424 Aceofwhat?
"Um, can you do that thing where the title flies in form the side and spins on a corner while holding my girlfriends hand?"
"No."
"I have this excell chart, it's about 40 columns by 20 rows, can you put that on a slide"
"Sure."
"The type is to small, I can't read this"
"Yeah, your a real fucking Einstein."
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:14:56pm |
re: #437 Obdicut
And that sounded five times pissier than I meant it, Cliffster. Sorry.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:15:23pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:15:42pm |
re: #434 Aceofwhat?
is there any powerpoint presentation more priceless than a "sexual harassment / workplace behavior" show?
now that is a presentation i look forward to every year, especially when HR lets a greenie run it.
I read that as GENIE. Like a Djinn. And I thought a second, 'where the hell does he work? I want to work there!"
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:16:16pm |
re: #435 brookly red
Accck, long ago I dated my HR manager... never again.
I had a buddy in HR. I had to stop going to his training seminars because my joke "Her ass meant a lot to me to" kept getting him in trouble.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:16:29pm |
re: #443 WindUpBird
I read that as GENIE. Like a Djinn. And I thought a second, 'where the hell does he work? I want to work there!"
Unicorn parking in back.
/
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:16:31pm |
re: #439 Jeff In Ohio
"Um, can you do that thing where the title flies in form the side and spins on a corner while holding my girlfriends hand?"
"No."
"I have this excell chart, it's about 40 columns by 20 rows, can you put that on a slide"
"Sure."
"The type is to small, I can't read this"
"Yeah, your a real fucking Einstein."
Wow. You're right. You do need a bong.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:17:08pm |
re: #443 WindUpBird
I read that as GENIE. Like a Djinn. And I thought a second, 'where the hell does he work? I want to work there!"
oh, man, a Djinn in HR...then Brookly would date her and get turned into a toad!!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:17:19pm |
re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had a buddy in HR. I had to stop going to his training seminars because my joke "Her ass meant a lot to me to" kept getting him in trouble.
You're terrible.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:17:52pm |
re: #440 Obdicut
And that sounded five times pissier than I meant it, Cliffster. Sorry.
eh, we're used to it//
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:18:06pm |
re: #439 Jeff In Ohio
My favorite request, back when I did such things:
"Can you make it really small and neat, but make the GRAPHICS really big and imposing?"
Still have no idea what he meant. He used some hand gestures too.
Also:
"Can you make each letter in a different font? You know, to show we're evolving?"
Long ago at the dawn of time, blackletter fonts dragged themselves out of the primordial ooze and began to evolve.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:18:12pm |
re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had a buddy in HR. I had to stop going to his training seminars because my joke "Her ass meant a lot to me to" kept getting him in trouble.
You're my hero.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:19:11pm |
re: #450 Obdicut
"Can you make each letter in a different font? You know, to show we're evolving?"
Long ago at the dawn of time, blackletter fonts dragged themselves out of the primordial ooze and began to evolve.
Having spent 9 years in user experience, I find this one priceless. I'm sending it to my team alias as we speak.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:19:16pm |
re: #445 torrentprime
Unicorn parking in back.
/
"Will somebody move their Falkor? He's doubleparked and blocking the office manager's Catbus."
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:19:29pm |
re: #437 Obdicut
Why do you say the loans wouldn't have happened on their own? The vast majority of the loans had absolutely nothing to do with any government program.
So didn't they happen on their own? What do you mean by 'happen on their own'?
Regulations encouraging and requiring loans to people who clearly cannot repay said loans. Fannie Mae standing by to buy the loans and thus absolve the banks giving risky loans from suffering the natural consequences.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:19:41pm |
re: #451 Aceofwhat?
My friend got a whole HR department forced to attend sensitivity training.
They tried to fire him because he'd said on his application that he was Hispanic, and he obviously wasn't, since he was white.
His family has lived in Mexico for four hundred years. They're Spanish/French/Jewish ancestry.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:20:37pm |
re: #450 Obdicut
My favorite request, back when I did such things:
"Can you make it really small and neat, but make the GRAPHICS really big and imposing?"
Still have no idea what he meant. He used some hand gestures too.
Also:
"Can you make each letter in a different font? You know, to show we're evolving?"
Long ago at the dawn of time, blackletter fonts dragged themselves out of the primordial ooze and began to evolve.
AHHHHGH OH GOD I've had to do logos for those people. At the end of the meeting, i wanted to put my face through the drywall of the conference room.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:20:58pm |
re: #448 MandyManners
You're terrible.
My all time favorite HR meeting stunt was during a diversity course. The instructor would pass out blank paper and everyone was supposed to make a snow flake, and then we would show them to the group, showing how unique and different they all were.
6 of us folded and cut ours all the same way, and when she said "See how they're all different?" we raised out hands, "Ours aren't."
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:21:18pm |
re: #454 cliffster
Yes. But that's not most of the loans. Most of the loans had nothing to do with any such regulations.
Here's a good consumer affairs report on it, based off of a university study.
[Link: www.consumeraffairs.com...]
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:21:19pm |
re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had a buddy in HR. I had to stop going to his training seminars because my joke "Her ass meant a lot to me to" kept getting him in trouble.
I never got in trouble in the SH dept. but I have been dinged for referring to my staff as the "eveolutionarly challenged"
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:22:46pm |
Wiki for what its worth...
California Republican Senate Primary-
Fiorina
Tom Campbell
Chuck DeVore
And a recent poll
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:22:54pm |
re: #455 Obdicut
My friend got a whole HR department forced to attend sensitivity training.
They tried to fire him because he'd said on his application that he was Hispanic, and he obviously wasn't, since he was white.
His family has lived in Mexico for four hundred years. They're Spanish/French/Jewish ancestry.
I can't imagine very many sweeter feelings than getting HR sent to feelycamp. Priceless.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:23:08pm |
re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I work with 90% women. I get sexually harassed every day, including, "How do these heels make my calves look?"
And "On a scale of one to ten, how prostitute do I look?"
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:23:54pm |
re: #455 Obdicut
My friend got a whole HR department forced to attend sensitivity training.
They tried to fire him because he'd said on his application that he was Hispanic, and he obviously wasn't, since he was white.
His family has lived in Mexico for four hundred years. They're Spanish/French/Jewish ancestry.
Ha! My mother is Mexican, but you certainly wouldn't know it by looking at me. I think our great-great-great-etc-grandparents tried to keep their Spanish roots pure. No inbreeding with those Aztecs for cliffster's forefathers.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:23:54pm |
re: #462 Obdicut
I work with 90% women. I get sexually harassed every day, including, "How do these heels make my calves look?"
And "On a scale of one to ten, how prostitute do I look?"
are you in advertising?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:24:12pm |
Since we're discussing presentations;
From: Simon Edhouse
Date: Monday 16 November 2009 2.19pm
To: David Thorne
Subject: Logo DesignHello David,
I would like to catch up as I am working on a really exciting project at the moment and need a logo designed. Basically something representing peer to peer networking. I have to have something to show prospective clients this week so would you be able to pull something together in the next few days? I will also need a couple of pie charts done for a 1 page website. If deal goes ahead there will be some good money in it for you.
Simon
From: David Thorne
Date: Monday 16 November 2009 3.52pm
To: Simon Edhouse
Subject: Re: Logo DesignDear Simon,
Disregarding the fact that you have still not paid me for work I completed earlier this year despite several assertions that you would do so, I would be delighted to spend my free time creating logos and pie charts for you based on further vague promises of future possible payment. Please find attached pie chart as requested and let me know of any changes required.
Regards, David.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:25:03pm |
re: #464 brookly red
Nah, educational children's toy design.
It's great, really, we're all very relaxed and nobody HRs each other over anything than real asshole style harassment.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:25:35pm |
re: #462 Obdicut
I work with 90% women. I get sexually harassed every day, including, "How do these heels make my calves look?"
And "On a scale of one to ten, how prostitute do I look?"
the real danger is they catch you on an off day and you fire back off the top of your head...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:25:46pm |
re: #454 cliffster
Regulations encouraging and requiring loans to people who clearly cannot repay said loans. Fannie Mae standing by to buy the loans and thus absolve the banks giving risky loans from suffering the natural consequences.
NINJA loans were required by the government? I don't think that's true.
As I see it, the subprime loan crisis was exacerbated because the people SELLING the loans were not the people who held the paper. So there was no barrier, no interest in the part of the person who signed you up for the paper, to make sure you could pay it back. Because they weren't the people who helpd the paper! They got their commission, who cares if it's an adjustable rate loan for a $350,000 house, and the borrower only made $35K a year?
You're blaming it on government, i'm blaming it on lack of government oversight. Ahh, politics.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:01pm |
re: #458 Obdicut
Yes. But that's not most of the loans. Most of the loans had nothing to do with any such regulations.
Here's a good consumer affairs report on it, based off of a university study.
[Link: www.consumeraffairs.com...]
Thank you :D D
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:07pm |
re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My all time favorite HR meeting stunt was during a diversity course. The instructor would pass out blank paper and everyone was supposed to make a snow flake, and then we would show them to the group, showing how unique and different they all were.
6 of us folded and cut ours all the same way, and when she said "See how they're all different?" we raised out hands, "Ours aren't."
What the fuck? This is in corporate America? The Kid did that in Kindergarten.
I like the subtle way you all thumbed your noses at this tomfoolery.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:13pm |
re: #466 Obdicut
Nah, educational children's toy design.
It's great, really, we're all very relaxed and nobody HRs each other over anything than real asshole style harassment.
sigh... I remember when a BB gun was an educational toy.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:27pm |
re: #458 Obdicut
Yes. But that's not most of the loans. Most of the loans had nothing to do with any such regulations.
Here's a good consumer affairs report on it, based off of a university study.
[Link: www.consumeraffairs.com...]
I guess it depends on which people you listen to. But I also mentioned having Fannie there to buy up loans that never should have been given out. There was plenty of rumblings from 1999 all the way through the collapse about how much exposure Fannie had due to subprime nonsense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:29pm |
re: #455 Obdicut
My friend got a whole HR department forced to attend sensitivity training.
They tried to fire him because he'd said on his application that he was Hispanic, and he obviously wasn't, since he was white.
His family has lived in Mexico for four hundred years. They're Spanish/French/Jewish ancestry.
Lots of Hispanic people are white. If they meant that they wanted a Chicano, they should have said so.
/
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:57pm |
My all-time claw-my-eyes-out PowerPoint moments are those where the author tosses something like the full text of the Magna Carta on a single slide - and then starts reading it verbatim. Then does it again, and again, and again, for a solid monotone hour.
Presentation Rule: never leave the same slide up for more then five seconds. Half of you remaining audience will fall asleep for every second thereafter.
Presentation Rule: don't read your own damn slides. If that's all you're going to do, I don't need you here - you could have just emailed me the damn presentation, and I could have quietly deleted it. Talk to me, and amplify your bullet points.
Worst presentation ever: the presenter tossed up a slide that was a scan of an encyclopedia page, then sat down. Facing the screen. With his back to the audience. And started reading it. I swear to God this really happened. My eyes start to bleed just thinking about it.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:26:58pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:27:02pm |
re: #465 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I still call past clients who owe me money from five years ago sometimes, just for a hoot.
"So, any chance you felt like actually paying that $4,000 bill? No, I'm not offering to redesign the GUI for free. No, I don't agree that my work 'insulted your business', since you're currently using it on your website."
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:27:56pm |
After the Tailhook scandal We all had to take a 8 hour sexual Harrassment..
Our Code sat back in the back of the Auditorium and the row behind us was a bunch of Girls from our code..All day they were whispering dirty jokes in outr ears and making us laugh.. We kept getting a pissed off look from the lady doing the training..
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jaunte Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:06pm |
re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My all time favorite HR meeting stunt was during a diversity course. The instructor would pass out blank paper and everyone was supposed to make a snow flake, and then we would show them to the group, showing how unique and different they all were.
6 of us folded and cut ours all the same way, and when she said "See how they're all different?" we raised out hands, "Ours aren't."
Maybe this is one of the reasons unemployment and productivity numbers can go up at the same time.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:07pm |
re: #465 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love that one. I'm 99% sure it's fake, but it's funny as hell.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:10pm |
re: #466 Obdicut
Nah, educational children's toy design.
It's great, really, we're all very relaxed and nobody HRs each other over anything than real asshole style harassment.
Nobody ever really bothers with HR around my office either. A quote from a conversation in my office yesterday.
"I think you're overlooking one important fact here Brian."
"Yeah, whats that?"
"That you can just fuck right off."
"Point taken."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:18pm |
re: #466 Obdicut
Nah, educational children's toy design.
It's great, really, we're all very relaxed and nobody HRs each other over anything than real asshole style harassment.
I think the more "creative" your workplace is, the less of that HR stuff is needed. I know a TON of game developers and I've heard almost no stories of workplace harrassment. Usually the HR person is demanding the devs go home and take a goddamn shower because they keep sleeping under their desks during crunch time :D
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:18pm |
re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My all time favorite HR meeting stunt was during a diversity course. The instructor would pass out blank paper and everyone was supposed to make a snow flake, and then we would show them to the group, showing how unique and different they all were.
6 of us folded and cut ours all the same way, and when she said "See how they're all different?" we raised out hands, "Ours aren't."
ROFL!
I had a 30-year career in HR, and loved it.
I'll tell you that HR directors hate diversity and sensitivity training as much as anyone else - it's pretty much a huge waste of time, usually.
I love your snowflake story!
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:55pm |
re: #472 cliffster
I guess it depends on which people you listen to. But I also mentioned having Fannie there to buy up loans that never should have been given out. There was plenty of rumblings from 1999 all the way through the collapse about how much exposure Fannie had due to subprime nonsense.
Not to pile on, but...
We (as a thread) have moved from "caused" to "played a large part" to "there were rumblings." Dare I hope another zombie is falling?
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:28:55pm |
re: #471 brookly red
sigh... I remember when a BB gun was an educational toy.
And you could buy Cherry Bombs and blow off a finger or two....
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:29:11pm |
re: #474 SixDegrees
reading one's own slides should be grounds for janitorial assignments. few things make me want to curse more.
"i can read, dipshit. tell me what you think"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:29:46pm |
re: #471 brookly red
sigh... I remember when a BB gun was an educational toy.
Probably not great to give those to four-year-olds :D
I always wanted a BB gun as a kid. But I wanted a computer way more.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:30:02pm |
re: #472 cliffster
Sorry, I don't think it does depend on who you listen to; I think that there is an objective reality, and that, from every serious study and examation I've seen, that the lenders were overlending and packaging the loans in complex packages that hid the risk from investors who blithely assumed the risk assessment had already been done. I have not seen any credible reports that say that the CRA loans were a signfiicant driver.
Stuff like this:
Researchers compared the default rate (90-day delinquency) within two years of origination. Borrowers with comparable characteristics who had subprime loans were three to five times as likely to go into default as those with CAP loans, the study found.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:30:52pm |
re: #483 torrentprime
Not to pile on, but...
We (as a thread) have moved from "caused" to "played a large part" to "there were rumblings." Dare I hope another zombie is falling?
Are you the thread monitor?
I mean, really. Who the bloody hell are you to insist that we have group think?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:31:03pm |
re: #484 ryannon
And you could buy Cherry Bombs and blow off a finger or two...
most of the kids I grew up with were smart enough not to hold on to them...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:31:25pm |
re: #489 MandyManners
Are you the thread monitor?
I mean, really. Who the bloody hell are you to insist that we have group think?
Are we over the target? Is that flak I see?
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:31:30pm |
re: #483 torrentprime
Not to pile on, but...
We (as a thread) have moved from "caused" to "played a large part" to "there were rumblings." Dare I hope another zombie is falling?
No - it played a large part. I say there were rumblings, because it was the 800 pound gorilla in the room. People knew it was there, and that something should be done, but nothing was done.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:31:46pm |
re: #455 Obdicut
My friend got a whole HR department forced to attend sensitivity training.
They tried to fire him because he'd said on his application that he was Hispanic, and he obviously wasn't, since he was white.
His family has lived in Mexico for four hundred years. They're Spanish/French/Jewish ancestry.
Thats funny!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:32:09pm |
re: #483 torrentprime
Not to pile on, but...
We (as a thread) have moved from "caused" to "played a large part" to "there were rumblings." Dare I hope another zombie is falling?
The zombie is climbing over the internet, shambling from LGF to Redstate. :D
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:32:54pm |
re: #489 MandyManners
Are you the thread monitor?
I mean, really. Who the bloody hell are you to insist that we have group think?
Something hit too close to....
Nah, I won't do that; your clear misstatement of my post can stand on its own. But I won't apologize for noting how Known FOX Facts fall in about 10 minutes of analysis, nor being happy that they do.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:33:16pm |
re: #490 brookly red
most of the kids I grew up with were smart enough not to hold on to them...
Some of the kids I grew up with weren't.
It wasn't the best neighborhood to grow up in.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #485 Aceofwhat?
reading one's own slides should be grounds for janitorial assignments. few things make me want to curse more.
"i can read, dipshit. tell me what you think"
A manager I admire one put a densely packed chart filled with tiny bullet points and lots and lots of text, describing fiscal constraints over the last quarter...or something. He flipped the slide up, explained he had received it from higher management, and said, "Bottom line, this project is fucked." Then he turned the projector off and explained, in plain English, why.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:33:46pm |
re: #495 torrentprime
Something hit too close to...
Nah, I won't do that; your clear misstatement of my post can stand on its own. But I won't apologize for noting how Known FOX Facts fall in about 10 minutes of analysis, nor being happy that they do.
PIMF: nor for being happy
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:35:26pm |
re: #495 torrentprime
Did you ever watch the West Wing?
I think Leo McGarry said something very wise when he said, "We do not strut."
It's great that you feel that you're right. I happen to agree with you. But the style of presentation is unnecessary crowing.
The 'we' thing is also annoying no matter who's doing the we-ing.
| 500 |
Stanghazi Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:35:39pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:35:44pm |
re: #492 cliffster
No - it played a large part. I say there were rumblings, because it was the 800 pound gorilla in the room. People knew it was there, and that something should be done, but nothing was done.
I'm with Obdicut, I've read a decent amount about the home loan meltdown, and every credible source is pointing to the paper being hidden, moved around, repackaged and resold to investors until it was inflated to completely surreal and unsustainable values. One of my favorite blogs is Atrios' Eschaton, and he was calling this stuff out, predicting it YEARS before it hit the news. Helps that he's actually an economist who became a blogger.
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:35:55pm |
re: #466 Obdicut
Hi
Were you the person that was down on DeVore?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:36:51pm |
re: #495 torrentprime
Something hit too close to...
Nah, I won't do that; your clear misstatement of my post can stand on its own. But I won't apologize for noting how Known FOX Facts fall in about 10 minutes of analysis, nor being happy that they do.
it's like, we're supposed to ignore the lies in search of the truth? Of course not, the way to combat lies is to call them out immediately. If they're left on their own, they grow roots and become weeds and you can't pull them out of the ground.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:37:40pm |
re: #499 Obdicut
To be fair, he was responding to hostility ;-)
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:38:03pm |
What was Chris Dodd doing for the past few years?
Barney Frank?
I think they were the chairmen of their respective banking committees, or something.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:38:19pm |
re: #495 torrentprime
Something hit too close to...
Nah, I won't do that; your clear misstatement of my post can stand on its own. But I won't apologize for noting how Known FOX Facts fall in about 10 minutes of analysis, nor being happy that they do.
What's a clear mistatement?
We (as a thread) have moved is NOT telling someone what to think, what to post?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:39:05pm |
re: #506 Racer X
Anyone who voted for the repeal of Glass-Steagel is also responsible, in my opinion.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:40:05pm |
re: #499 Obdicut
Did you ever watch the West Wing?
I think Leo McGarry said something very wise when he said, "We do not strut."
It's great that you feel that you're right. I happen to agree with you. But the style of presentation is unnecessary crowing.
The 'we' thing is also annoying no matter who's doing the we-ing.
I'll actually claim ignorance on this one; I didn't "hear" the "we" that way when I composed, nor did I realize it was so offensive. What I was trying to do was cover the changes in position but avoid assigning one word to any particular person I was debating with and then have to apologize for misattributing a post; "we" seemed safer. Boy did that backfire. Apologies to any/everyone for unintentional asshattery.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:40:45pm |
re: #507 MandyManners
What's a clear mistatement?
We (as a thread) have moved is NOT telling someone what to think, what to post?
No. he is not saying that. At all.
He's saying if you look at the opinions expressed in the thread, already, that they're inching away from Fox News lies, and towards the truth as accepted by experts.
And then you wildly misrepresented what he said.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:41:30pm |
re: #507 MandyManners
What's a clear mistatement?
We (as a thread) have moved is NOT telling someone what to think, what to post?
Perhaps I misread. I thought it was descriptive, rather the prescriptive.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:41:37pm |
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:42:03pm |
re: #487 Obdicut
Sorry, I don't think it does depend on who you listen to; I think that there is an objective reality, and that, from every serious study and examation I've seen, that the lenders were overlending and packaging the loans in complex packages that hid the risk from investors who blithely assumed the risk assessment had already been done. I have not seen any credible reports that say that the CRA loans were a signfiicant driver.
We are certainly not arguing different things for the most part. The house of cards originated on risky loans that were rolled together with the risks obfuscated. I just don't think the loans would have happened to begin with without outside influences. Like Fannie's willingness to take stupid loans off the offending banks' books. And yes, CRA, which we will just have to agree to disagree on.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:42:28pm |
re: #511 WindUpBird
No. he is not saying that. At all.
He's saying if you look at the opinions expressed in the thread, already, that they're inching away from Fox News lies, and towards the truth as accepted by experts.
And then you wildly misrepresented what he said.
What 'e said. My apology stands though; my phrasing was clumsy at best.
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wrenchwench Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:42:39pm |
re: #513 Obdicut
The 'we' thing is a big thing around these parts-- as I've actually been glad to find.
We get all wee wee'd up?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:43:16pm |
re: #515 cliffster
Well, it'd be helpful for me if you could explain why you disagree with me about CRA in the face of studies that say that CRA and other type of government-regulated loans have a lower default late than comparable market loans.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:43:24pm |
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:43:56pm |
Speaking of troublesome hispanics, did we ever decide whether the descendants of Portugese are hispanic?
My knowledge of history is:1. In the Roman empire, everything between France and the ocean was "Hispania". 2. some missing bits in my knowledge when my ancestors mostly were trying to kill as many Spaniards as possible. 3. Now we have Portugal.
/has DNA from interesting places, but none hispanic
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abbyadams Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:44:06pm |
Here's something fun...
Palin is going after Rush for his comments on "retard."
Link
No comments on his thoughts on women.
Can we get Beck in there for a three way match to irrelevance, possibly?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:45:16pm |
re: #520 keloyd
Hispanic isn't a race, so DNA has nothing to do with it.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:45:17pm |
re: #520 keloyd
Speaking of troublesome hispanics, did we ever decide whether the descendants of Portugese are hispanic?
My knowledge of history is:1. In the Roman empire, everything between France and the ocean was "Hispania". 2. some missing bits in my knowledge when my ancestors mostly were trying to kill as many Spaniards as possible. 3. Now we have Portugal.
/has DNA from interesting places, but none hispanic
Portugal is on the Iberian peninsula, but they don't speak Spanish.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:46:09pm |
Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Securityfinance.yahoo.com
.........another huge bailout is starting, this time for the Social Security system.
A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes than it is spending on benefits.
Instead of helping to finance the rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:46:11pm |
re: #506 Racer X
What was Chris Dodd doing for the past few years?
Barney Frank?
I think they were the chairmen of their respective banking committees, or something.
Let's get this clear. I TOTALLY blame Democrats as well as Republicans for this mess. This problem is too big to just gve it over to the same old, same old, D versus R NFL game
But I want actual tight regulation in the housing markets, and on loans. And I want this shell-game of moving mortgage notes and hiding them to investors to end forever. I want all these shady adjustable rate mortgages to be outlawed, because unstable loans that are sold to unwitting people who have a hard time doing the math required to understand what happens if their ARM adjusts when they're underwater and not paying back the principal, they're bad for the country. We have so many people underwater on their loans because of this crap, it's horrifying, and it happened because the bubble was allowed to grow unchecked, due to lack of regulation.
At the end of the day, I want regulation that works. Whether that's Rs doing it, Ds doing it, or green dudes in flying saucers doing it.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:46:31pm |
re: #509 jaunte
Overseeing a failure of regulation.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:47:02pm |
re: #525 Blueheron
Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Securityfinance.yahoo.com
...another huge bailout is starting, this time for the Social Security system.
A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes than it is spending on benefits.
Instead of helping to finance the rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.
Boomers are retiring.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:47:08pm |
re: #525 Blueheron
They can just give back the money they took from it already. Except they spent it.
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Cheechako Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:16pm |
My favorite HR question:
If we don't have any quotas for hiring, why does everyone has to select their race on the hiring form?
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:29pm |
re: #526 WindUpBird
Let's get this clear. I TOTALLY blame Democrats as well as Republicans for this mess. This problem is too big to just gve it over to the same old, same old, D versus R NFL game
But I want actual tight regulation in the housing markets, and on loans.
...
At the end of the day, I want regulation that works. Whether that's Rs doing it, Ds doing it, or green dudes in flying saucers doing it.
Amen. And even if the entire D caucus voted against everyone of the GOP's deregulation efforts in the 90's... Clinton signed them. This isn't one party's fault, but it needs to be fixed, and not by railing against government regulations as a concept, the very thing that would have stopped or eased the disaster we found ourselves in.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:30pm |
Might get The Kid to take Mandarin next year.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:42pm |
re: #519 MandyManners
It's an eeebil korporashun.
Nope, they just lie to you. As all cable news networks do. It's about sculpting a narrative and targeting that narrative to their demographic. The raw material is news, but the product is a narrative.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:59pm |
re: #530 Cheechako
My favorite HR question:
If we don't have any quotas for hiring, why does everyone has to select their race on the hiring form?
I useta' put "Human".
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:48:59pm |
re: #527 cliffster
This is the same Barney Frank that prattled on endlessly in 2008 about the Republicans' irresponsibility leading up to the crisis. The hypocrisy is so mind boggling, its hard to even think about it.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:49:14pm |
re: #522 Obdicut
True, but I mean to say I don't have a dog in this fight, other than a general interest in spreading mischief getting people arguing.
Now that I've done some more remembering, from the Sotomeyer hearings, that the British consider Basques and Portugese to be "hispanic" according to definitions in their dictionaries, and that we are more vague.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:49:21pm |
re: #532 MandyManners
Might get The Kid to take Mandarin next year.
Sounds good. Does his school have a program?
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:49:41pm |
re: #530 Cheechako
My favorite HR question:
If we don't have any quotas for hiring, why does everyone has to select their race on the hiring form?
1) they don't have to; applicants can decline (I believe)
2) So companies can track their own diversity goals
Not sure if you were actually asking; messing with HR is a bipartisan activity.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:49:42pm |
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:50:22pm |
re: #523 Alouette
Portugal is on the Iberian peninsula, but they don't speak Spanish.
BUT 20 centuries ago, they all spoke bad, provincial latin, and "hispanic" is a latin derived word.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:50:29pm |
re: #535 cliffster
This is the same Barney Frank that prattled on endlessly in 2008 about the Republicans' irresponsibility leading up to the crisis. The hypocrisy is so mind boggling, its hard to even think about it.
Almost like the GOP talking about spendin....
Never mind. Full circle.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:51:17pm |
re: #531 torrentprime
Amen. And even if the entire D caucus voted against everyone of the GOP's deregulation efforts in the 90's... Clinton signed them. This isn't one party's fault, but it needs to be fixed, and not by railing against government regulations as a concept, the very thing that would have stopped or eased the disaster we found ourselves in.
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
Anti-regulatory ideology is what I want to end. The democrat-republican tribalism is irrelevant. Clinton signing that might be the single worst thing he ever did in his presidency. We all created the monster, both parties did, and the monster almost ruined our country.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:51:37pm |
re: #536 keloyd
Yeah. For US Gov purposes, sometimes Portuguese descendants (like Brazilians) are, and sometimes they ain't.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:51:46pm |
re: #528 MandyManners
Boomers are retiring.
That's right Mandy.
Social Security's surplus has been raided for years + so many people are out of work and not paying payroll taxes.
We are in deep doo do but not to worry Pelosi and company will just raise our debt limit. Of course Moody's is warning us we will loose our triple A rating but what they hey let the good times roll on.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:52:39pm |
re: #525 Blueheron
Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Securityfinance.yahoo.com
...another huge bailout is starting, this time for the Social Security system.
A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes than it is spending on benefits.
Instead of helping to finance the rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.
Yep. Social Security "Trust Fund" is one of the biggest lies to the american people. Every dime that's brought in by Social Security is spent. Now, the money that is being spent wouldn't even cover the cost of money that was looted decades ago. Social Security is still #1 public threat, until the public option comes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:53:07pm |
re: #535 cliffster
This is the same Barney Frank that prattled on endlessly in 2008 about the Republicans' irresponsibility leading up to the crisis. The hypocrisy is so mind boggling, its hard to even think about it.
Politicians are hypocritical.Everyone knows. I understand you want to tar and feather Frank. Do it. Don't care. he's part of the problem.
Here is all that matters: Do you believe housing loans need to be tightly regulated or not? That's the important thing, not whether Frank sucks or Gramm sucks, or anyone sucks. We know they suck.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:53:30pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:54:16pm |
re: #530 Cheechako
My favorite HR question:
If we don't have any quotas for hiring, why does everyone has to select their race on the hiring form?
I select World Rally Championship as my race.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:55:11pm |
re: #535 cliffster
The structural problem will always be that that bank regulators don't have nearly as much incentive to catch investment bankers (or loan consumers) doing something risky, as the latter groups have incentive for evading an unprofitable regulation.
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:55:19pm |
re: #504 Obdicut
Thought so and I was glad you showed what was up with him. So it will be between Fiorina and Campbell. Now we see a somewhat deceptive ad from Fiorina right off the top, as Tom is ahead in the polls. Clever, but misleading.
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torrentprime Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:56:24pm |
Break's over. Next meeting beckons. Thanks all for the discussion (and the correction/bitchslap).
torrent
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:59:32pm |
re: #551 Rightwingconspirator
No problem. I really don't have much of a choice between Fiorina and Cambell. Fiorina seems like a fuckup from her corporate past, and Campbell seems like a generic politico.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:01:51pm |
I'm not in HR, but we do have openings for good technical writers - SF Bay area.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:01:53pm |
re: #545 cliffster
Yep. Social Security "Trust Fund" is one of the biggest lies to the american people. Every dime that's brought in by Social Security is spent. Now, the money that is being spent wouldn't even cover the cost of money that was looted decades ago. Social Security is still #1 public threat, until the public option comes.
What public option? Social Security IS a public option plus it is the biggest Ponzi scheme evah!
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:02:54pm |
re: #553 Obdicut
I loved the ad, truly creative. But the message put me off.
The trouble with outsiders is their record is even more subjective. Either way it will be a tough fight to beat Boxer. Tom is a well understood guy, for better or worse.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:03:23pm |
re: #555 Blueheron
Nah. A ponzi scheme needs to keep getting bigger forever. SS just needs to survive the boomers. A ponzi is a pyramid-- this is a big fat python with a huge bolus of pig in it.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:04:48pm |
re: #546 WindUpBird
Politicians are hypocritical.Everyone knows. I understand you want to tar and feather Frank. Do it. Don't care. he's part of the problem.
Here is all that matters: Do you believe housing loans need to be tightly regulated or not? That's the important thing, not whether Frank sucks or Gramm sucks, or anyone sucks. We know they suck.
Whatever happened to the bank not loaning money to people who couldn't repay? God my head is splitting.
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Cheechako Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:05:30pm |
re: #538 torrentprime
1) they don't have to; applicants can decline (I believe)
2) So companies can track their own diversity goalsNot sure if you were actually asking; messing with HR is a bipartisan activity.
This was for the Feds. We were always told that hiring/promotions were based getting the best, qualified candidate. However, the Agency had to meet their diversity goals. I've seen Vacancy Announcements where one of the hiring standards was "Contributes to the ability of the Agency to meet Diversity Goals'.
Code words?
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:06:07pm |
I find it interesting that whenever you point out corruption and hypocrisy done by democrats, and the reaction from liberals is, "eh, y'know, politicians - they're corrupt and hypocritical".
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:06:46pm |
re: #558 Blueheron
It became much more profitable in the short term for them to make the loans and then package the assets to disguise the risk. That's why the meltdown occurred. It was profitable in the short term, and the market rewards short term heavily.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:06:58pm |
re: #557 Obdicut
Nah. A ponzi scheme needs to keep getting bigger forever. SS just needs to survive the boomers. A ponzi is a pyramid-- this is a big fat python with a huge bolus of pig in it.
So do you think it's a good idea to not set aside any money for your old age, and instead to spend it all?
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elizajane Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:07:47pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
Did you not see all the taxes he's supported?
Getting back here late.... yes, I saw, but really I'm for gasoline taxes so I have no problem with that. The rest we can debate. At least if you haven't signed a pledge, you can debate things like the configuration of tax structure, which could use a bit of talking here in CA.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:08:15pm |
re: #562 cliffster
Yes, that is clearly something you could take away from what I said.
/
What the hell, dude? Where on earth did you get that from anything I've written?
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:08:47pm |
re: #557 Obdicut
Nah. A ponzi scheme needs to keep getting bigger forever. SS just needs to survive the boomers. A ponzi is a pyramid-- this is a big fat python with a huge bolus of pig in it.
Well seeing as how I am not a boomer I can say with all sincerity.....who cares as long as I get mine! ///
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:09:28pm |
re: #554 darthstar
I'm not in HR, but we do have openings for good technical writers - SF Bay area.
As in IT?
I can haz urperating sistem?
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:09:31pm |
re: #561 Obdicut
It became much more profitable in the short term for them to make the loans and then package the assets to disguise the risk. That's why the meltdown occurred. It was profitable in the short term, and the market rewards short term heavily.
I know iI know but gosh..........
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:10:25pm |
re: #565 Obdicut
referring to your #557:
Nah. A ponzi scheme needs to keep getting bigger forever. SS just needs to survive the boomers. A ponzi is a pyramid-- this is a big fat python with a huge bolus of pig in it.
This misses the point entirely. Social Security was designed to pretty much force people to set aside money for their old age. This doesn't work if you spend it all instead. Getting through the baby boom doesn't fix anything, the problem is still, you're spending all the money you're supposed to be setting aside.
| 571 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:10:58pm |
This makes me feel bad. I remember that group, and how amazing it was when we got them back.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:11:09pm |
re: #562 cliffster
So do you think it's a good idea to not set aside any money for your old age, and instead to spend it all?
Live fast, die young, and have a good-looking corpse.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:11:10pm |
re: #560 cliffster
I find it interesting that whenever you point out corruption and hypocrisy done by democrats, and the reaction from liberals is, "eh, y'know, politicians - they're corrupt and hypocritical".
I prefer tar and feathers myself. Sharpens their minds it does.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:12:06pm |
re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist
I just don't get why they won't pay me a lot of money to run a giant company into the ground. I bet I would be good at it.
Hell I do it for a lot less money too.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:12:54pm |
re: #568 ryannon
Yes...fairly complex software, but I'm always willing to look at a good resume and pass it along. Feel free to share my email if you know anyone in the bay area.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:13:22pm |
re: #562 cliffster
So do you think it's a good idea to not set aside any money for your old age, and instead to spend it all?
Cliffster I am old and have enough money to survive on my own but shhh don't tell the gobermint cause they will take it away from me to help dos udders ober there ya know?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:13:37pm |
re: #570 cliffster
This misses the point entirely. Social Security was designed to pretty much force people to set aside money for their old age. This doesn't work if you spend it all instead. Getting through the baby boom doesn't fix anything, the problem is still, you're spending all the money you're supposed to be setting aside.
No, SS was not designed to force people to set aside money. It was designed to pay out a certain amount of money to people in their old age, after they were past the point of working, to prevent lots of old age poverty.
The funding for SS happens to be tied to taxation that then links to the amount of money people can draw out of it, to a certain extent. But SS could exist as a payout only without a dedicated tax.
One of the problems of SS is that the tax and the payouts are conflated when they don't really have to be.
You are right that it's designed to give the illusion that you're setting aside money.
And the government shouldn't dip into the SS fund because the continued operation of SS is absolutely vital. But that's yet another issue.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:14:12pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:14:26pm |
re: #560 cliffster
I find it interesting that whenever you point out corruption and hypocrisy done by democrats, and the reaction from liberals is, "eh, y'know, politicians - they're corrupt and hypocritical".
As opposed to conservatives who respond to pointing out of corruption and hypocrisy done by Republicans by pointing out the nearest piece of Democrat malfeasance they can find, and insisting it's much worse.
/only slightly
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:15:19pm |
re: #562 cliffster
So do you think it's a good idea to not set aside any money for your old age, and instead to spend it all?
It's not a good idea, but many people don't make enough to live on, let alone save. If you can save, I strongly recommend it.
| 582 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:16:31pm |
re: #579 SanFranciscoZionist
Just want you to know I particularly enjoy your posts! Very thoughtful and reasoned most of the time. Thank you!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:17:06pm |
re: #582 Racer X
Just want you to know I particularly enjoy your posts! Very thoughtful and reasoned most of the time. Thank you!
Why, thank you!
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:17:42pm |
re: #570 cliffster
referring to your #557:
This misses the point entirely. Social Security was designed to pretty much force people to set aside money for their old age. This doesn't work if you spend it all instead. Getting through the baby boom doesn't fix anything, the problem is still, you're spending all the money you're supposed to be setting aside.
Oh well it's nice to know what I should have done now that I am at the ripe old age of 70.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:19:07pm |
re: #582 Racer X
Just want you to know I particularly enjoy your posts! Very thoughtful and reasoned most of the time. Thank you!
I like the both of you so there :)
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:19:12pm |
re: #577 Obdicut
There is actually a "trust fund", and the idea is indeed to set aside money. For a time, the money taken for social security was placed into this fund and couldn't be spent on other things. Laws were passed somewhere along the line which took away this requirement somewhat - we are now allowed to keep the "trust fund" alive with government securities. So in that sense, it is very much an illusion; essentially we have an account funded with IOU's - from ourselves.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:19:12pm |
re: #584 Blueheron
Oh well it's nice to know what I should have done now that I am at the ripe old age of 70.
Seventy is the new fifty. Or maybe the new pink. I forget.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:19:57pm |
re: #562 cliffster
So do you think it's a good idea to not set aside any money for your old age, and instead to spend it all?
hey, you know how I'm trying not to be all snarky comedian to you anymore about what you write?
This is my latest gentle reminder that it is very difficult for me to take you seriously. Because you say things like this in response to very reasoned posts.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:20:26pm |
re: #587 SanFranciscoZionist
Seventy is the new fifty. Or maybe the new pink. I forget.
Oh yeah? Maybe I ought to buy me a Corvet? LOL
| 590 |
Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:22:06pm |
re: #586 cliffster
There is actually a "trust fund", and the idea is indeed to set aside money
I know there is. That wasn't the point I was making.
Do you understand what I mean about social security payouts being not necessarily tied to the funding of specific SS taxes?
We could get rid of social security taxes and pay for it out of the general fund, and it'd still be social security. There's nothing about the specific funding mechanism that 'really' sets the money aside.
I agree that the money should be safeguarded, but it's not forcing individuals to save. Social security is a program paid for by a dedicated tax. It needs a trust fund to get through periods where receipts are lower than payouts.
But it is not forcing people to save. It's forcing people to pay a tax to pay for social security payments.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:22:26pm |
Off I go. Gotta get my workout on. My clothes have been shrinking for a few years now, and I need to reverse that trend.
Baby steps...
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:22:43pm |
re: #570 cliffster
referring to your #557:
This misses the point entirely. Social Security was designed to pretty much force people to set aside money for their old age. This doesn't work if you spend it all instead. Getting through the baby boom doesn't fix anything, the problem is still, you're spending all the money you're supposed to be setting aside.
Who's this 'you' Cliff?
I think it is every politician that bought votes with that trust fund.
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cliffster Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:24:37pm |
re: #590 Obdicut
Indeed, the language "forcing people to set aside" is overly simplistic and I thought about not saying it - just making a point. gg, we can chat about it more later but again I think we largely agree.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:24:46pm |
re: #591 cliffster
Bah. I need to start jogging again. The weather sucking is only going to last so long as an excuse.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:24:54pm |
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is having a cow about fried chicken and political correctness. It's sort of interesting--she's started to cover nontroversies of all sorts, whether she's outraged or not.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:25:28pm |
re: #560 cliffster
I find it interesting that whenever you point out corruption and hypocrisy done by democrats, and the reaction from liberals is, "eh, y'know, politicians - they're corrupt and hypocritical".
I like it when people point out all corruption and hypocrisy by all politicians. There are plenty of Democrats I hate, and there are moderate Republicans I like.
But I still vote for Democrats, because at the end of the day, they vote the way I want them to vote. And Republicans on average vote the way I do not want them to vote.
The tribalism gets us nowhere. I vote Democrat because I pay attention to voting records and party platform. That's all. They vote how I want them to vote on average, so i would rather they represent me. That's how simple it is. I applaud Republicans who do things I like. like Mitt Romney!
You seem extremely concerned about the horse race between Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives and Liberals. I'm concerned about policy. Policy isn't a zero-sum game. Many bipartisan efforts have led to great policy, and shitty policy. For example, Ted Kennedy helped author No Child Left behind. No Child Left Behind I think is horrible hideous policy.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:25:29pm |
re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist
Great. Now I'm hungry for fried chicken.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:26:54pm |
re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is having a cow about fried chicken and political correctness. It's sort of interesting--she's started to cover nontroversies of all sorts, whether she's outraged or not.
Its the spray-and-pray method of insane wingnut blogging.
I AM MICHELLE, WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:26:54pm |
re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is having a cow about fried chicken and political correctness. It's sort of interesting--she's started to cover nontroversies of all sorts, whether she's outraged or not.
That seems to be a trend - on left and right side blogs. I can now see why Obama has told us all to log off and go do something in the meat world.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:27:45pm |
re: #598 Obdicut
Great. Now I'm hungry for fried chicken.
I made pesto baked chicken last night with too much garlic. It was great.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:28:44pm |
re: #600 Racer X
That seems to be a trend - on left and right side blogs. I can now see why Obama has told us all to log off and go do something in the meat world.
Glistening skyscrapers made of sirloin...
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darthstar Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:28:45pm |
re: #591 cliffster
Off I go. Gotta get my workout on. My clothes have been shrinking for a few years now, and I need to reverse that trend.
Baby steps...
I ran with my dogs for the first time in a week or so...I get lazy between ski weekends sometimes and make up any excuse not to run...but when I do, they enjoy it and so do I.
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Blueheron Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:32:10pm |
re: #574 webevintage
Hell I do it for a lot less money too.
Hey don't sell yourself short. Go for it! ///
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:32:10pm |
[Link: mediamattersaction.org...]
Fiorina Fired At Least 18,000 HP Employees
Millionaire Fiorina Called the Outsourcing of American Jobs "Right Shoring." The San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Labor unions have battled 'offshoring,' which Fiorina calls 'right-shoring,' for decades, he said." [San Francisco Chronicle, 1/9/04]
Fiorina Defended The Outsourcing Of American Jobs. Investors Business Daily reported, "During their presentation, Barrett and Fiorina had to defend the tech industry for its growing reliance on overseas tech workers. IBM, Intel, Hewlett-Packard and others have moved many jobs offshore, including customer service call center operators and even engineers." [Investors Business Daily, 1/8/04]
SNIP
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:32:59pm |
re: #605 Rightwingconspirator
What utter crap.
She also probably should have thought twice before attaching the word 'right' to that.
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:37:22pm |
re: #606 Obdicut
The more I look the worse she gets. I read she is after Obama about jobs. What gall. Trying to confirm if she did not vote for a decade. Heh, Campbell has more house votes than she has election votes in many years.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:39:27pm |
re: #607 Rightwingconspirator
She's a corporate opportunist who views government as just another job to fuck up without consequences, since she's management and they get to do that. That's my impression of her.
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:41:52pm |
re: #608 Obdicut
I wonder how damaging a lack of voting will be for her and Meg Whitman.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:42:18pm |
re: #605 Rightwingconspirator
Another bit from your link:
Hewlett-Packard Held $14 Billion In Profit Overseas To Avoid Paying Taxes. The Washington Post reported, "By the end of its 2003 fiscal year, Hewlett-Packard Co. had 'indefinitely' deferred taxation on $14.4 billion of foreign earnings, according to SEC filings, a move that helped lower its effective tax rate from the statutory corporate income tax rate of 35 percent to 12 percent." [Washington Post, 1/2/04]
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:49:01pm |
re: #610 jaunte
Hewlett-Packard Held $14 Billion In Profit Overseas To Avoid Paying Taxes. The Washington Post reported, "By the end of its 2003 fiscal year, Hewlett-Packard Co. had 'indefinitely' deferred taxation on $14.4 billion of foreign earnings, according to SEC filings, a move that helped lower its effective tax rate from the statutory corporate income tax rate of 35 percent to 12 percent." [Washington Post, 1/2/04]
In a very simplistic way, this is where classifying the corp as an individual who can fund political advertising will get sticky. They can claim foreign earnings to avoid taxes, but will qualify as domestic corps to fund election campaigns?
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lostlakehiker Thu, Feb 4, 2010 5:59:57pm |
One difficulty I have with Carly is that HP didn't do very well under her leadership. I proven business leader ought to have some achievements in the private sector. Proven failures need not apply.
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theheat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:01:19pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:10:46pm |
Awesome. The red sheep eyes remind me of that horror movie doll whose eyes light up before destructo-mega-time.
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Scriptorium Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:22:04pm |
Carly thinks Californians are sheep!
Republicans are sheep!
California Republicans are sheep and Campbell is only pretending to be a California Republican!
What are California Democrats??
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:28:09pm |
re: #616 Scriptorium
The overwhelming majority in both state houses.
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Political Atheist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:29:26pm |
re: #611 Obdicut
Well, I am no fan of Barbara Boxer.
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enigma3535 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:31:31pm |
ROTFLMAO ... ok, full disclosure, I actually smiled and then chuckled ... that said, I agree, she'd get my vote based on this ad ... in a vacuum [re: if I were a CA voter that got all my inputs regarding my vote from campaign ads].
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enigma3535 Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:37:39pm |
re: #616 Scriptorium
Admittedly, I have no [recent] knowledge regarding the relative political effectiveness of CA Dems ... that said, if they have similar political DNA as the national Dems, they're probably not playing chess with the GOP ... an image of a fool , in front of a chess board, stapling legislation to their foreheads, does come to mind.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:19:19pm |
Ehh...get used to it, we will all be seeing dozens of corporately funded attack ads later this year thanks to the new Supreme court ruling. As if the lobbyists didn't already have too much power, now instead of just helping the campaigns of the candidates willing to be bought they can also actively campaign against the ones who will not play their game.
The voice of "the average American voter" just got a whole lot fainter than it already was. God help us...
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:59:04pm |
re: #616 Scriptorium
Carly thinks Californians are sheep!
Republicans are sheep!
California Republicans are sheep and Campbell is only pretending to be a California Republican!What are California Democrats??
Scrapies?
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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:05:11am |
re: #621 ausador
Ehh...get used to it, we will all be seeing dozens of corporately funded attack ads later this year thanks to the new Supreme court ruling. As if the lobbyists didn't already have too much power, now instead of just helping the campaigns of the candidates willing to be bought they can also actively campaign against the ones who will not play their game.
The voice of "the average American voter" just got a whole lot fainter than it already was. God help us...
I'm not sure I agree with that analysis. Corporate politicking is certainly nothing new, and I doubt the amount of money spent by corporations on promoting their political agendas will change much at all. What will change is transparency. Rather than having their sponsorship obscured behind layers upon layers of PACs and various front organizations, it's more likely to be up front an obvious that, say, Bank of America is producing a series of ads. Or the Teamsters Union, to which the ruling also applies.
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