Boehner: GOP and Tea Partiers Believe the Same Things

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House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said today that there is no difference in beliefs between the GOP and tea partiers.

“There really is no difference between what Republicans believe in and what the tea party activists believe in,” Boehner said during an appearance on the conservative Mike Gallagher’s radio show.

Boehner said his advice to Republican lawmakers going into this fall’s elections has been to “prove it to the tea party activists that we really are who we say we are.”

If you take Boehner at his word, then, here are some of the things Republicans believe in.

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233 comments
1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:54:37am

I thought about resorting to the double facepalm, but I don't think there's a facepalm picture that carries enough emphasis to describe how utterly idiotic this is.

2 middy  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:55:50am

Wow, that was a boner Boehner!

3 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:56:58am

Oh, Dear God - I hadn't seen the Antichrist poster before. Wait, if that's true...why is she still here and not raptured already...pressure building in head...///

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:57:45am

Intriguingly, this thread is producing an ad for the California Teahouse.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:58:33am

re: #2 middy

Wow, that was a boner Boehner!

Note to Republican leadership--these people are like hallucinogenic frogs. Do not lick the Tea Partiers.

6 darthstar  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:58:57am

Is Boehner trying to unify his party, or nullify it?

7 euphgeek  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:59:01am

So when do Democrats get a legitimate opposition party? Every time I hear a Republican politician talk I get the feeling there should be circus music playing in the background.

8 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:59:11am

CNN's current home page poll:

Q: Do you agree with the Tea Party Movement's Agenda?

No 50%
Yes 37%
Not sure 13%

9 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:59:17am

If he's still speaking in 4 hours, see a doctor immediately.

10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:59:38am

re: #7 euphgeek

So when do Democrats get a legitimate opposition party? Every time I hear a Republican politician talk I get the feeling there should be circus music playing in the background.

Or the sound of a flushing toilet.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:00:18am

re: #7 euphgeek

So when do Democrats get a legitimate opposition party? Every time I hear a Republican politician talk I get the feeling there should be circus music playing in the background.

I think the moderates are being hammered on hard right now. We'll see what happens in November.

12 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:00:56am

If i'm reading it correctly, the genius in the middle is also blaming Clinton and GWB for supporting abortion, sodomy, socialism, and the NWO. Fascinating.

I love how it's not teh ghey, but sodomy in particular. Thanks, Rick Perry.

13 darthstar  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:01:34am

I don't like talking negatively about people of color, but Boehner's an idiot. And he's fucking orange.

14 euphgeek  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:02:17am

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the moderates are being hammered on hard right now. We'll see what happens in November.

From what I've seen so far, I don't have too much faith.

15 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:02:21am

re: #12 Aceofwhat?

It's the "God is judging America" thing that gets me. Any bad thing? God punishing us for our wicked ways. And some of the crazier people who think that way have no problem with being that instrument of God.

Scary stuff.

16 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:03:40am

re: #15 Obdicut

It's the "God is judging America" thing that gets me. Any bad thing? God punishing us for our wicked ways. And some of the crazier people who think that way have no problem with being that instrument of God.

Scary stuff.

People need to stop trying to figure out how God works. If it were possible for us to know, it wouldn't be God. And for SURE, if there's a voice in your head telling you that God's telling you to do something utterly stupid, guess what - you're wrong.

17 teleskiguy  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:04:08am

Boehner needs to get his head out of his ass. The tea party people - proudly carrying signs at protests that say "We Came Unarmed...This Time," "Obama is Hitler" - are the fringes of the right wing. And they're going mainstream! To paraphrase Chris Rock, these tea party people are probably in the movement "'cause it's all right and it's all white." Somebody get me some aspirin...

18 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:05:44am

Ah, Orange John. If I lived 1/2 mile north, he'd be my Rep. It would make my life a lot easier to have that asshole to yell at then trying to find common ground with my current rep.

19 darthstar  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:06:11am

re: #17 teleskiguy

Well said, free-heeler...(me, I can't take all that genuflecting...gives me Catholic school flashbacks).

20 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:06:15am

re: #17 teleskiguy

Boehner needs to get his head out of his ass. The tea party people - proudly carrying signs at protests that say "We Came Unarmed...This Time," "Obama is Hitler" - are the fringes of the right wing. And they're going mainstream! To paraphrase Chris Rock, these tea party people are probably in the movement "'cause it's all right and it's all white." Somebody get me some aspirin...

Srsly. "Once the POTUS goes black, we're never goin' back" could be their motto.

21 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:06:18am

re: #16 thedopefishlives

People need to stop trying to figure out how God works. If it were possible for us to know, it wouldn't be God. And for SURE, if there's a voice in your head telling you that God's telling you to do something utterly stupid, guess what - you're wrong.

I don't listen to the voices in my head much... but when my stomach talks I listen.

22 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:07:04am

re: #15 Obdicut

It's the "God is judging America" thing that gets me. Any bad thing? God punishing us for our wicked ways. And some of the crazier people who think that way have no problem with being that instrument of God.

Scary stuff.

yep. nevermind that Jesus spent his entire adult life trying to tell us to love and serve each other. i can never figure out what book these people think they're reading.

23 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:07:09am

Ah, the joys of free speech - and the right to make a complete ass of yourself.

24 abbyadams  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:07:53am

re: #1 thedopefishlives

Naturally, it calls for the implied facepalm, then

25 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:08:16am

re: #13 darthstar

I don't like talking negatively about people of color, but Boehner's an idiot. And he's fucking orange.

To be fair, Biden's giving him a run on the salon tan look.

26 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:09:07am

re: #8 brookly red

CNN's current home page poll:

Q: Do you agree with the Tea Party Movement's Agenda?

No 50%
Yes 37%
Not sure 13%

The truth is I'm not sure what their agenda is either.
Lower taxes for rich people and no health care reform mixed in with lots of screaming from older white people and a nice smidge of hatred for the black guy in the WH has been my impression.
Oh and they don't like socialism or Nazis, but they seem to be cool with racists. And "they want their country back" but I don't think it is missing soooo.....

BUT I know that is not what the movement is really about, I'm just not sure what the movement is about.

27 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:09:10am

Well give the man credit for telling the truth, these days there seems to be precious little left of the GOP that isn't stark raving nuts...

28 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:09:19am

re: #24 abbyadams

Naturally, it calls for the implied facepalm, then

Every time a thread like this pops up, I keep thinking I've run to the end of my facepalm repertoire. And then some wonderful lizard like you comes along and shows me just how much I have yet to learn.

29 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:09:41am

The Tea Party does not want the Republicans.


Beware of the Republican Establishment
by Bay Buchanan
10/06/2009

Between the town hall meetings and the tea party rallies, millions of Americans are taking to the streets to protest a government gone berserk. They are angry and determined to take their country back. But there are snakes in the grass intent on using this movement to return to power, not the people, but the Republican establishment. If this happens we lose everything, including our country.

[...]

30 abbyadams  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:10:46am

This is very interesting. Does the GOP enter the symbiotic relationship from hell, and get the "fired up" base, and the cash that goes with it? Or are they going to cut these jerks loose and take the high ground, and risk losing elections for a while?

This is a tightrope they can't walk forever.

31 Buck  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:11:26am

Just because someone supports me, doesn't mean I support them.

32 abbyadams  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:11:35am

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Dang, I thought I saw that here. Maybe I didn't. I blog around. :-) Glad you enjoyed.

33 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:11:43am

re: #25 Jeff In Ohio

To be fair, Biden's giving him a run on the salon tan look.

That's not from a salon, it's from washing his TransAm.

34 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:11:57am

re: #26 webevintage

The truth is I'm not sure what their agenda is either.
Lower taxes for rich people and no health care reform mixed in with lots of screaming from older white people and a nice smidge of hatred for the black guy in the WH has been my impression.
Oh and they don't like socialism or Nazis, but they seem to be cool with racists. And "they want their country back" but I don't think it is missing sooo...

BUT I know that is not what the movement is really about, I'm just not sure what the movement is about.

I don't think it knows what it is really about either except dissatisfaction... my point is that there sure are lot of people who are not too happy.

35 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:12:21am

re: #13 darthstar

I don't like talking negatively about people of color, but Boehner's an idiot. And he's fucking orange.

Oh HA!

36 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:13:15am

re: #20 iceweasel

huzzah!

37 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:13:44am

re: #33 iceweasel

That's not from a salon, it's from washing his TransAm.

Pass the brain bleach, please.

38 Diane  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:14:03am

Hopefully they are not all mad like this bunch... This happens sometimes, a huge eager disorganized group pursuing a great big undefined goal and we get a pathetic descent into ugliness, foolishness and infighting.

Politics is messy that is why the lazy approach of observing on the sideline is neater.

39 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:14:09am

re: #1 thedopefishlives

I thought about resorting to the double facepalm, but I don't think there's a facepalm picture that carries enough emphasis to describe how utterly idiotic this is.

All right boys, bring out the triple facepalm!

Or maybe the three monkeys in this case

"See no crazy, speak no crazy, hear no crazy..."

40 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:14:38am

re: #13 darthstar

Oompa loompa dippity do. I've got a riddle for you...
What do you get when you spend to excess?
A nation in debt and not enough to tax....

41 Racer X  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:15:13am

Morons on the left.
Assholes on the right.

Nothing to worry about here in America!

42 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:15:47am

re: #40 lawhawk

Oompa loompa dippity do. I've got a riddle for you...
What do you get when you spend to excess?
A nation in debt and not enough to tax...

/torches & pitchforks?

43 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:15:50am

re: #33 iceweasel

That's not from a salon, it's from washing his TransAm.

Oh Jesus, your going to hell for making me look at that.

44 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:16:02am

re: #40 lawhawk

Oompa loompa dippity do. I've got a riddle for you...
What do you get when you spend to excess?
A nation in debt and not enough to tax...

Nommy nom nom.


Youtube Video
45 darthstar  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:16:26am

meeting time...play nice, everyone.

46 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:16:52am

You know, if your skin is a color (orange) that does not occur naturally in us Caucasians when we go out in the sun AND people comment on it all the time you would think that a man who is in a position of power might spend his money on a new tanning system.

47 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:17:08am

How many McGovern Democrats thought the Warren Report on JFK's asassination was a cover up? How many Republicans were certain the Clintons murdered Vince Foster? How many of Al Gore's minions thought the election was stolen in 2000? I'll tell you - just as many as brought the crazy to that Research 2k/Daily Kos survey and show up to these tea parties. We are dancing to the same whiskey-tango-foxtrot as always and have only changed partners.

The party out of power is constrained by human nature into doing 2 things, 1. be poorly organized, resulting in less ability/inclination to kick out the nutty elements, 2. go batshite crazy with their rhetoric because, deep down, getting attention by any means is the most important first step to getting power. Republican pols are being completely rational when they kiss up to (and exploit) the Tea Partiers.

48 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:17:12am

re: #41 Racer X

Morons on the left.
Assholes on the right.

Nothing to worry about here in America!

Personally, I think there's both morons and assholes on both sides... and in the middle. It's equal opportunity to me.

49 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:17:47am

re: #46 webevintage

You know, if your skin is a color (orange) that does not occur naturally in us Caucasians when we go out in the sun AND people comment on it all the time you would think that a man who is in a position of power might spend his money on a new tanning system.

/maybe he eats too many carrots?

50 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:17:56am

re: #46 webevintage

You know, if your skin is a color (orange) that does not occur naturally in us Caucasians when we go out in the sun AND people comment on it all the time you would think that a man who is in a position of power might spend his money on a new tanning system.

Maybe he eats too many carrots?

51 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:18:29am

re: #49 brookly red

Curses! A few seconds too slow! I bow to your prowess.

52 Diane  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:18:40am

re: #22 Aceofwhat?

yep. nevermind that Jesus spent his entire adult life trying to tell us to love and serve each other. i can never figure out what book these people think they're reading.

Good point.
If they are reading anything, there are doing so in the dark with blindfolds on.

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:18:46am

Inasmuch as the Tea Party has no platform, no agenda and no manifesto, it is possible for politicians to simply say they agree with all the things the Tea Party supports that they already agree with, while disavowing anything they already disagree with or want to ignore.

Brilliant strategy and I sure there is an Evil Genius behind it.

54 Kragar  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:19:02am

Thanks for the clarification Boner. I'm done with the GOP now.

55 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:19:16am

You mean we have Bugs Bunny running the GOP?

(Yes, I know, Beta Keratin.)

56 Buck  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:19:32am

re: #47 keloyd

Thank you. I think the political spectrum line is not straight left and right, but a circle. Extreme Left and Right loops back and meets in crazytown.

57 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:19:38am

re: #51 MrSilverDragon

Curses! A few seconds too slow! I bow to your prowess.

I am quick when it come to food...

58 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:19:44am

re: #40 lawhawk

Oompa loompa dippity do. I've got a riddle for you...
What do you get when you spend to excess?
A nation in debt and not enough to tax...

Hi lawhawk! And now it looks like we finally have to add Social Security to the mix. Sigh.

Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Security

When the government - regardless of which party is in control - takes the surplus, replaces it with government IOU's (see the SSA's own FAQ page), and then spends the money....well...

I mean, what could go wrong?

59 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:20:23am

re: #44 MandyManners

Youtube Video
I'm an Aerosmith fan myself...
60 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:20:35am

re: #43 Jeff In Ohio

Oh Jesus, your going to hell for making me look at that.

Heh. Probably for some other reasons too!

61 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:03am

re: #40 lawhawk

Oompa loompa dippity do. I've got a riddle for you...
What do you get when you spend to excess?
A nation in debt and not enough to tax...

Stop that, the Oompa Loompas are creepy in the extreme...
Now that song is in my head.

62 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:04am

re: #60 iceweasel

Heh. Probably for some other reasons too!

well...you did vote for the antichrist///

63 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:45am

re: #58 subsailor68

Hi lawhawk! And now it looks like we finally have to add Social Security to the mix. Sigh.

Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Security

When the government - regardless of which party is in control - takes the surplus, replaces it with government IOU's (see the SSA's own FAQ page), and then spends the money...well...

I mean, what could go wrong?

we should put them in charge of healthcare...

*ducks*

64 brookly red  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:47am

re: #58 subsailor68

Hi lawhawk! And now it looks like we finally have to add Social Security to the mix. Sigh.

Next in Line for a Bailout: Social Security

When the government - regardless of which party is in control - takes the surplus, replaces it with government IOU's (see the SSA's own FAQ page), and then spends the money...well...

I mean, what could go wrong?

looks like we are about to find out...

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:52am

re: #47 keloyd

The problem is that rational from a political party standpoint and rational from the a "for the good of the United States and its citizens" standpoint are not necessarily congruent. And I'd say especially so right now. And I think most of the Lizards recognize that and wish both parties would put their priority on the second viewpoint at the expense of the first viewpoint for a change.

66 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:21:53am

I just browsed over at FReep for a second, my login there is still valid. Before I go into decon, here's a sample of threads I was invited to:

Obama takes shots at birthers in speech at prayer breakfast

The White House has become a shrine to Obama

Confirmed: Obama will not spare us during the Super Bowl

Forget polls: here's tangible proof the Obama honeymoon is over

Obama: "every economist" says I created or saved 2 million jobs

/links? you want links? fuggedaboudit

67 Ben Hur  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:23:15am

Bunch Of Phonies Mourn J.D. Salinger

68 cliffster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:23:50am

Snore. Tea Party says we're spending too much and taxing too high. Boehner says Republicans feel the same way. Oh, the humanity.

69 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:23:58am

re: #41 Racer X

Morons on the left.
Assholes on the right.

Nothing to worry about here in America!

"These affording, in all their particulars, endless feuillage to me and to America, how can I do less than pass the clew of the union of them, to afford the like to you?

Whoever you are! how can I but offer you divine leaves, that you also be eligible as I am?

How can I but, as here, chanting, invite you for yourself to collect bouquets of the incomparable feuillage of These States?"
- Walt Whitman

70 Racer X  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:23:58am

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thanks for the clarification Boner. I'm done with the GOP now.

Agreed.

I was never a member. The future looks bleak for them.

71 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:24:11am

A little OT, but can we get Kerry's soft, french-looking hands off of the First Amendment?

thaaanks...

72 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:24:28am

re: #66 Alouette

Confirmed: Obama will not spare us during the Super Bowl

He's gonna' make a speech there, too?

73 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:25:31am

re: #62 Aceofwhat?

well...you did vote for the antichrist///

Hey, I campaigned for him. I'll be in the donors circle in hell. :)

74 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:26:13am

re: #71 Aceofwhat?

A little OT, but can we get Kerry's soft, french-looking hands off of the First Amendment?

thaaanks...

What? They'll gut the rule of law to get their way?

75 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:26:15am

re: #65 oaktree

By 'rational' I mean 'what's in it for Boehner' Carrots don't just grow on trees, and I'm sure he has 2 lb pack a day habit.

I don't think your second point is going to happen. 3/4 of government is by its nature self-interested and grasping. It can be a heavy burden or a weak and impotent hassle, never an actual good thing, on the whole, outside a few narrowly defined legitimate roles.

76 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:27:54am

re: #74 MandyManners

What? They'll gut the rule of law to get their way?

Apparently free speech is a right he's happy to cancel once you've joined someone else under the banner of a "corporation"...(yes, Mandy, i'm setting you up!)

77 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:27:58am

re: #33 iceweasel

That's not from a salon, it's from washing his TransAm.

I heard he lost his Federal Bikini Inspector badge.

78 mikhailtheplumber  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:28:33am

Hehe... his name is Boner...

// Ducks and runs away

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:29:21am

re: #68 cliffster

Snore. Tea Party says we're spending too much and taxing too high. Boehner says Republicans feel the same way. Oh, the humanity.

"Is THAT what the Tea Party says?"

"That's close enough, brother. Drinks are on the house!"

80 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:29:29am

I'm waiting for a political party that can approach the electorate as adults and explain that a few things need to happen. Namely, that we have to both raise taxes and cut spending on defense and entitlements. The problem is politically none of these ideas are viable in the least.

I've been waiting for the Dems to try and use the GOP's Reagan fetish to accomplish some of these goals. "It's not a tax increase, it's merely a return to the tax rates that Ronald Reagan himself saw as best for the nation."

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:13am

re: #71 Aceofwhat?

A little OT, but can we get Kerry's soft, french-looking hands off of the First Amendment?

thaaanks...

Oh for God's sake, Kerry. A bad SC decision is not a reason to amend the Constitution.

82 Buck  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:21am

If you want to discuss associations... I am more disturbed by Democratic leaders supporting Code Pink.

There was a time when if someone supported Hamas or even Code Pink’s support for Hamas, it would be news here.

Sen. John Kerry Letter Supporting Code Pink’s Hamas-Aid Gaza Freedom March

Not gonna link, if only because it might be a restricted site. But I sure if you search you can find it.

83 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:31am

re: #71 Aceofwhat?

A little OT, but can we get Kerry's soft, french-looking hands off of the First Amendment?

thaaanks...

"In the House, Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) introduced language Tuesday amending the Constitution to allow Congress to regulate corporate spending in politics.

The two-sentence amendment does not address the prospect of unlimited union spending on independent campaign expenditures, which experts say would be another result of the decision."

Ah, the other part of the story not mentioned by those so 'appalled" by the SCOTUS ruling....

84 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:30:46am

re: #76 Aceofwhat?

Apparently free speech is a right he's happy to cancel once you've joined someone else under the banner of a "corporation"...(yes, Mandy, i'm setting you up!)

KORPORASHUNS IZ EEEBILLL

HALP US JON CARRY 2 B FREEE FRM TEH EEEBILLL KORPORASHUNS

85 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:31:34am

re: #80 drcordell

I'm waiting for a political party that can approach the electorate as adults and explain that a few things need to happen. Namely, that we have to both raise taxes and cut spending on defense and entitlements. The problem is politically none of these ideas are viable in the least.

I've been waiting for the Dems to try and use the GOP's Reagan fetish to accomplish some of these goals. "It's not a tax increase, it's merely a return to the tax rates that Ronald Reagan himself saw as best for the nation."

And how would you say our corporate taxes compare to other countries'?

86 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:32:51am

LGF is moving way to fast for me. BBL

87 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #72 MandyManners

He's gonna' make a speech there, too?

I don't know. I didn't actually click on any of those threads.

88 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:33:11am

re: #83 Ericus58

"In the House, Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) introduced language Tuesday amending the Constitution to allow Congress to regulate corporate spending in politics.

The two-sentence amendment does not address the prospect of unlimited union spending on independent campaign expenditures, which experts say would be another result of the decision."

Ah, the other part of the story not mentioned by those so 'appalled" by the SCOTUS ruling...

Bingo. Because unions neeever try to cut corners when currying political favor...

89 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:33:35am

re: #82 Buck

If you want to discuss associations... I am more disturbed by Democratic leaders supporting Code Pink.

There was a time when if someone supported Hamas or even Code Pink’s support for Hamas, it would be news here.

Sen. John Kerry Letter Supporting Code Pink’s Hamas-Aid Gaza Freedom March

Not gonna link, if only because it might be a restricted site. But I sure if you search you can find it.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

90 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:33:39am

re: #84 MandyManners

KORPORASHUNS IZ EEEBILLL

HALP US JON CARRY 2 B FREEE FRM TEH EEEBILLL KORPORASHUNS

So you have no problem with a foreign corporation that happens to have a subsidiary incorporated in the U.S. pumping unlimited money into our political system? Hugo Chavez running issue advocacy campaign ads via Citgo? The Saudi Arabians donating unlimited amounts of money to support candidates who don't support domestic US oil drilling via ARAMCO?

91 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:34:14am

re: #90 drcordell

So you have no problem with a foreign corporation that happens to have a subsidiary incorporated in the U.S. pumping unlimited money into our political system? Hugo Chavez running issue advocacy campaign ads via Citgo? The Saudi Arabians donating unlimited amounts of money to support candidates who don't support domestic US oil drilling via ARAMCO?

so you have no problem frittering away your first amendment rights?

92 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:34:41am

re: #80 drcordell

This ain't no party

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93 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:17am

re: #82 Buck

If you want to discuss associations... I am more disturbed by Democratic leaders supporting Code Pink.

Wow, 2004 is calling and wants its meme back.

94 Spider Mensch  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:27am

re: #67 Ben Hur

Bunch Of Phonies Mourn J.D. Salinger

"....you know, I bet someone carves "Fuck You" on his gravestone...that's what'll happen. I can see it now.."Here lies JD Salinger, Fuck You" carved under the inscription....it makes me feel kind a sad....some little kid will see that and not understand......."
lol

95 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:35:49am

re: #85 Aceofwhat?

And how would you say our corporate taxes compare to other countries'?

Quite favorably. The effective U.S. tax rate is only 13.4% for corporations. The 35% number thrown around by wingnuts has no actual basis in reality.

96 cliffster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:26am

re: #95 drcordell

Quite favorably. The effective U.S. tax rate is only 13.4% for corporations. The 35% number thrown around by wingnuts has no actual basis in reality.

The CBO is wingnut?

97 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:36:40am

re: #87 Alouette

I Googled "Obama Super Bowl 2010".

Taxpayers might want to pay close attention to this Sunday's Super Bowl broadcast or they'll miss Uncle Sam's 30-second, $2.5-million reminder to stand up and be counted.

That's what the Census Bureau paid CBS to get their message notched somewhere between a National Lampoon reprisal, a weird dude with big glasses, a beer-can house and men without pants.

SNIP

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:37:16am

re: #82 Buck

If you want to discuss associations... I am more disturbed by Democratic leaders supporting Code Pink.

There was a time when if someone supported Hamas or even Code Pink’s support for Hamas, it would be news here.

Sen. John Kerry Letter Supporting Code Pink’s Hamas-Aid Gaza Freedom March

Not gonna link, if only because it might be a restricted site. But I sure if you search you can find it.

I did search--thanks for the info. Is there any information on a neutral or Code-Pink friendly site? I'm finding a lot, but it's all fairly aggressively right-wing sites that all seem to link back to Breitbart.

99 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:37:30am

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Note to Republican leadership--these people are like hallucinogenic frogs. Do not lick the Tea Partiers.

"My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you're ugly too."

(Dangerfield)

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:37:55am

re: #88 Aceofwhat?

Bingo. Because unions neeever try to cut corners when currying political favor...

Neither do corporations...

101 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:03am

re: #97 MandyManners

I Googled "Obama Super Bowl 2010".

Taxpayers might want to pay close attention to this Sunday's Super Bowl broadcast or they'll miss Uncle Sam's 30-second, $2.5-million reminder to stand up and be counted.

That's what the Census Bureau paid CBS to get their message notched somewhere between a National Lampoon reprisal, a weird dude with big glasses, a beer-can house and men without pants.

SNIP

Ah, my stimulus tax dollars at work...

102 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:04am

re: #91 Aceofwhat?

so you have no problem frittering away your first amendment rights?

I am not a corporation. My first amendment rights are not in jeopardy at all.

103 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:28am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither do corporations...

Funny, then, that the bill doesn't mention both of them...

104 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:29am

re: #87 Alouette

With ABC landing the past three Obama interviews among the broadcast networks, CBS is now striking back.

Katie Couric, who's been in the news already today, will interview President Obama live during Sunday's Super Bowl pre-game show, according to the network.

105 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:38:40am

re: #90 drcordell

So you have no problem with a foreign corporation that happens to have a subsidiary incorporated in the U.S. pumping unlimited money into our political system? Hugo Chavez running issue advocacy campaign ads via Citgo? The Saudi Arabians donating unlimited amounts of money to support candidates who don't support domestic US oil drilling via ARAMCO?

What part of the SCOTUS ruling allows Foreign corporations to donate money to politicians?

106 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:10am

re: #31 Buck

Just because someone supports me, doesn't mean I support them.

In a perfect world, yes.

According to Mr. Boehner, not so much in this case....

107 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:46am

re: #102 drcordell

I am not a corporation. My first amendment rights are not in jeopardy at all.

Oh, i see. I am not one, either. However, I do belong to one...little thing called 'working'. So, you'll forgive me for not wanting to sign away my first amendment rights from 9-7ish, or whatever insane amount of time i spend here.

108 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:40:01am

re: #96 cliffster

The CBO is wingnut?

Cute. Go read something about the tax rates that U.S. companies actually pay.

[Link: www.cbpp.org...]

Can you guess what effective tax rate Goldman Sachs paid in FY2008?

Try ONE PERCENT

109 American-African  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:40:20am

re: #13 darthstar

I don't like talking negatively about people of color, but Boehner's an idiot. And he's fucking orange.

ding!

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:42:23am

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

Funny, then, that the bill doesn't mention both of them...

Sure. And the SC ruling leaves the question of how the ruling effects foreign-owned corporations for later, but that apparently doesn't matter.

I agree with you on that point, but I don't support this ruling to begin with, and I am not going to pretend that one team here is supporting the First Amendment and the other one is not.

112 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:09am

re: #108 drcordell

Cute. Go read something about the tax rates that U.S. companies actually pay.

[Link: www.cbpp.org...]

Can you guess what effective tax rate Goldman Sachs paid in FY2008?

Try ONE PERCENT

yeahhh...they paid 34% in 2007 and received a tax credit near the end of '08. The only people who make points about accounting based on one year are people who generally aren't very good at accounting.

not sayin'...just sayin'...

113 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:11am

re: #105 Ericus58

What part of the SCOTUS ruling allows Foreign corporations to donate money to politicians?

The part where they deem any and all restrictions on corporate political "speech" unconstitutional. Even under the most strict interpretation of the ruling, foreign owned corporations would merely have to have a U.S. incorporated subsidiary to avoid being labeled "foreign."

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:14am

re: #107 Aceofwhat?

Oh, i see. I am not one, either. However, I do belong to one...little thing called 'working'. So, you'll forgive me for not wanting to sign away my first amendment rights from 9-7ish, or whatever insane amount of time i spend here.

You gonna get a vote on how your corporation spends its money?

115 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:40am

re: #56 Buck

Thank you. I think the political spectrum line is not straight left and right, but a circle. Extreme Left and Right loops back and meets in crazytown.

I still think it's a different kind of crazy town.

It seems to me that "Secession" is the Republican version of "Well then I'll move to Canada!" Since there aren't any more conservative industrial nations on earth for the angry Republicans to threaten to move to.

Tearing the country apart via a bloody civil war up against changing my citizenship.....

116 allegro  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:43:58am

re: #107 Aceofwhat?

Oh, i see. I am not one, either. However, I do belong to one...little thing called 'working'. So, you'll forgive me for not wanting to sign away my first amendment rights from 9-7ish, or whatever insane amount of time i spend here.

WTF?

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:44:58am

re: #115 jamesfirecat

I still think it's a different kind of crazy town.

It seems to me that "Secession" is the Republican version of "Well then I'll move to Canada!" Since there aren't any more conservative industrial nations on earth for the angry Republicans to threaten to move to.

Tearing the country apart via a bloody civil war up against changing my citizenship...

Odd, that. I thought it was the Democrats who were supposed to force everyone else do what they thought best, but in this instance, they seem to be the personal responsibility crowd.

Or, you could argue that they just don't love America enough to chop it up into bloody pieces....

118 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

You gonna get a vote on how your corporation spends its money?

He shares Scalia's viewpoint apparently. Because you have a chance to buy stock, you have a chance to "influence" what the corporations do. Hahahahahaha.

119 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:45:56am

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. And the SC ruling leaves the question of how the ruling effects foreign-owned corporations for later, but that apparently doesn't matter.

I agree with you on that point, but I don't support this ruling to begin with, and I am not going to pretend that one team here is supporting the First Amendment and the other one is not.

Well...when you have to amend it to get your way...isn't that not supporting it as currently written?

After all, the senator did say I think we need a constitutional amendment to make it clear, once and for all, that corporations do not have the same free-speech rights as individuals...

silly me, i thought a corporation was a group of individuals...

120 cliffster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:46:38am

re: #108 drcordell

Cute. Go read something about the tax rates that U.S. companies actually pay.

[Link: www.cbpp.org...]

Can you guess what effective tax rate Goldman Sachs paid in FY2008?

Try ONE PERCENT

Ah, so the Wall Street Journal AND the CBO are wingnuts. And those darn tax loopholes - corporations don't pay hardly any taxes at all!

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:09am

re: #118 drcordell

He shares Scalia's viewpoint apparently. Because you have a chance to buy stock, you have a chance to "influence" what the corporations do. Hahahahahaha.

After all this talk about activist courts...Ok. I have to get back to that little thing called 'working'.

122 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:25am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

You gonna get a vote on how your corporation spends its money?

I can leave. So there's that.

and do we really think that the little charade we had going on before the ruling was keeping corporate money out of politics? really?

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:37am

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

Well...when you have to amend it to get your way...isn't that not supporting it as currently written?

After all, the senator did say I think we need a constitutional amendment to make it clear, once and for all, that corporations do not have the same free-speech rights as individuals...

silly me, i thought a corporation was a group of individuals...


100 years of legal precedent said otherwise. Were all those guys just stupid?

124 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:47:55am

re: #115 jamesfirecat

I still think it's a different kind of crazy town.

It seems to me that "Secession" is the Republican version of "Well then I'll move to Canada!" Since there aren't any more conservative industrial nations on earth for the angry Republicans to threaten to move to.

Tearing the country apart via a bloody civil war up against changing my citizenship...

I wonder how many of these folks who say they want Secession have actually thought what that would mean. They would not just be allowed to leave the US so that would lead to armed conflict in which they or their children will die. Those who are not involved in the fighting will probably be without much of the technology we take for granted, including TV since there is no broadcast by analog signal anymore. There will be breadlines and rationing and...well my question would be is that really what they want?

125 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:17am

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

"My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you're ugly too."

(Dangerfield)

I've only heard that joke as "your also lazy"

Dr. Zayous Dr. Zayous!

126 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:49:24am

re: #118 drcordell

He shares Scalia's viewpoint apparently. Because you have a chance to buy stock, you have a chance to "influence" what the corporations do. Hahahahahaha.

Uh-huh. But if i were in a union, or a club, instead of a corporation, my sins would be washed away and my saintly leadership would automatically support the right candidate for me.

Sure.

127 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:50:09am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

100 years of legal precedent said otherwise. Were all those guys just stupid?

30 years of legal precedent that conflicted with older precedent.

i'll get you a link in a second

128 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:50:54am

re: #112 Aceofwhat?

yeahhh...they paid 34% in 2007 and received a tax credit near the end of '08. The only people who make points about accounting based on one year are people who generally aren't very good at accounting.

not sayin'...just sayin'...

And the only corporations that pay the full 35% tax rate are those that generally aren't very good at accounting. Paying 35% one year and then 1% the next still averages out to well below what I'm paying on my goddamn taxes.

You can nit-pick my data as much as you want, but the over-arching theme remains. Corporations in the U.S. pay a lower effective tax rate here than they do nearly anywhere else in the world. This is a fact. Here are more stats, charts and graphs to back it up.

[Link: www.cbpp.org...]

129 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:51:08am

re: #126 Aceofwhat?

Uh-huh. But if i were in a union, or a club, instead of a corporation, my sins would be washed away and my saintly leadership would automatically support the right candidate for me.

Sure.

Personally I prefer saintly leadership who's focus is on protecting me, my job and rights as opposed to saintly leadership who's focused on maximizing profits.

130 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:05am

re: #126 Aceofwhat?

Uh-huh. But if i were in a union, or a club, instead of a corporation, my sins would be washed away and my saintly leadership would automatically support the right candidate for me.

Sure.

YUNIONS IZ GUDE

KORPARASHUNS IZ EEEBILLL

131 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:35am

re: #124 webevintage

I wonder how many of these folks who say they want Secession have actually thought what that would mean. They would not just be allowed to leave the US so that would lead to armed conflict in which they or their children will die. Those who are not involved in the fighting will probably be without much of the technology we take for granted, including TV since there is no broadcast by analog signal anymore. There will be breadlines and rationing and...well my question would be is that really what they want?

Personally I just think its interesting that there's no "Conservative Canada" or a nation nearby that would seem like an good place for American conservatives to go to if they think the US has gotten too Liberal.

Or would the closest thing be Mexico?

132 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:52:56am

re: #130 MandyManners

You need some new material.

133 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:36am

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

Well...when you have to amend it to get your way...isn't that not supporting it as currently written?

After all, the senator did say I think we need a constitutional amendment to make it clear, once and for all, that corporations do not have the same free-speech rights as individuals...

silly me, i thought a corporation was a group of individuals...

Jesus Christ in a handbasket. A corporation is not a group of individuals. Have you read any of the history behind this ruling, or the ruling itself? A corporation is literally and legally an individual person under U.S. law. A "person" who now enjoys the same Constitutional rights as you or I. Except they can never die, and they cannot be held directly responsible for any of their actions in a court of law, because they don't actually exist as a person.

134 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:38am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

100 years of legal precedent said otherwise. Were all those guys just stupid?

In this case we are asked to reconsider Austin and, in effect, McConnell. It has been noted that “Austin was a significant departure from ancient First Amendment principles,” Federal Election Comm’n v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., 551 U. S. 449, 490 (2007) (WRTL) (SCALIA, J., concurring in part and concurring in judgment). We agreewith that conclusion and hold that stare decisis does not compel the continued acceptance of Austin.

The decision they reversed was itself a significant departure from First Amendment principles.

135 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:41am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Or would the closest thing be Mexico?

I hear Mexico is a good deal for Americans who choose to live there.
Healthcare is cheap.

136 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:53:59am

re: #132 Locker

You need some new material.

it's funny every single time

137 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:27am

re: #130 MandyManners

YUNIONS IZ GUDE

KORPARASHUNS IZ EEEBILLL

I didn't want unions to be able to give unlimited amounts of money to politicians either. But now thanks to the judicial "restraint" of his eminence umpire John Roberts, that isn't the case.

138 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:41am

re: #129 Locker

Personally I prefer saintly leadership who's focus is on protecting me, my job and rights as opposed to saintly leadership who's focused on maximizing profits.

Yeah. The union bosses care more about your job than theirs. Good one.

139 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:54:51am

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

it's funny every single time

Maybe you can pay her a consulting fee and she can follow you around saying it over and over so you can be endlessly amused.

140 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:08am

Wah.

141 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:16am

re: #137 drcordell

I didn't want unions to be able to give unlimited amounts of money to politicians either. But now thanks to the judicial "restraint" of his eminence umpire John Roberts, that isn't the case.

Then why are you disagreeing that the bill I linked to is faulty, since it only addresses corporations and not unions?

142 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:20am

re: #138 Aceofwhat?

Yeah. The union bosses care more about your job than theirs. Good one.

Yea your corporate boss cares more about your job than profits. Good one.

143 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:32am

re: #126 Aceofwhat?

Uh-huh. But if i were in a union, or a club, instead of a corporation, my sins would be washed away and my saintly leadership would automatically support the right candidate for me.

Sure.


The Corleone Olive Oil Import Company had a union, or club as it were. When Senator Geary had that mishap with the dead prostitute, his shop steward good friend Tom Hagen was there to wash his sins away with his saintly leadership.

144 Lidane  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:49am

re: #135 webevintage

I hear Mexico is a good deal for Americans who choose to live there.
Healthcare is cheap.

So is law enforcement, given the current literal drug war going on there.

145 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:50am

re: #139 Locker

Maybe you can pay her a consulting fee and she can follow you around saying it over and over so you can be endlessly amused.

It's a good suggestion. In the meantime, maybe you can ignore it if you don't find it as funny as i do.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:55:59am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Canada is too cold, and Mexico is full of brown people (who want to come here, so it must be worse there...)

///

147 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:56:20am

re: #142 Locker

Yea your corporate boss cares more about your job than profits. Good one.

they don't. only one of the two is lying about it, though. guess which one.

148 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:56:22am

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

It's a good suggestion. In the meantime, maybe you can ignore it if you don't find it as funny as i do.

Maybe you can ignore me if you don't like my comments.

149 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:00am

re: #130 MandyManners

YUNIONS IZ GUDE

KORPARASHUNS IZ EEEBILLL

mmmm, LOL make me happy.

Unions will never be able to match a corporation or group of corporations in the amount of money they can sling into an election.

and there does need to be a clarification on overseas corporation getting involved in our elections here.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:15am

re: #133 drcordell

It does provide a nice basis for a robot to incorporate itself and thus get nearly full citizen rights.

151 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:57:21am

re: #147 Aceofwhat?

they don't. only one of the two is lying about it, though. guess which one.

How far out in left field do you have to go for this shit? So every Union boss is lying about caring about the jobs of their Union members and is REALLY concerned with... what? How does this fantastic tale of yours conclude?

152 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:58:32am

re: #141 Aceofwhat?

Then why are you disagreeing that the bill I linked to is faulty, since it only addresses corporations and not unions?

Never said anywhere I disagree with limiting the financial contributions of unions as well as corporations. I fundamentally disagree with the Supreme Court ruling in its entirety. I don't believe money = speech. I believe money = volume. And corporations/unions both have the ability to turn the volume so loud that 99.9% of Americans have no chance to have their speech heard.

153 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:00:33pm

re: #151 Locker

How far out in left field do you have to go for this shit? So every Union boss is lying about caring about the jobs of their Union members and is REALLY concerned with... what? How does this fantastic tale of yours conclude?

it concludes with the thought that any law constructed to govern the donor activities of one group but not the other is looney. we shouldn't trust either with our interests.

difference is, i think that individuals, corporations, and unions deserve to have their say. you, apparently, disagree.

clear enough?

154 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:01:02pm

re: #146 oaktree

Canada is too cold, and Mexico is full of brown people (who want to come here, so it must be worse there...)

///

Which sort of proves my point, it seems like there's no nation on earth that is the "10-20 degrees more conservative" version of America....

155 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:01:49pm

re: #151 Locker

How far out in left field do you have to go for this shit? So every Union boss is lying about caring about the jobs of their Union members and is REALLY concerned with... what? How does this fantastic tale of yours conclude?

Yeah Aceofwhat's logic doesn't really compute. See, unions are only able to exist so long as they have members paying dues. And for members to pay dues, the members need jobs. Therefore the union above all ELSE stands to benefit from ensuring that its members have jobs.

Now, if you want to argue that the unions don't care if any actual work is done by their members, fine. If you want to argue that the unions are willing to place the value of their members jobs above the value of the company continuing to function, fine. If you want to argue that unions protect incompetent workers who should be fired, at the expense of workers who are more qualified but remain unemployed, fine.

But the one argument you just can't make without looking stupid is that unions don't care about keeping their members jobs.

156 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:20pm

re: #153 Aceofwhat?

it concludes with the thought that any law constructed to govern the donor activities of one group but not the other is looney. we shouldn't trust either with our interests.

difference is, i think that individuals, corporations, and unions deserve to have their say. you, apparently, disagree.

clear enough?

What I disagree with is your portrayal of Unions and of all Union leaders as liars who are only interested in keeping their jobs.

157 Locker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:02:41pm

re: #155 drcordell

Thank you.

158 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:03:25pm

re: #152 drcordell

Never said anywhere I disagree with limiting the financial contributions of unions as well as corporations. I fundamentally disagree with the Supreme Court ruling in its entirety. I don't believe money = speech. I believe money = volume. And corporations/unions both have the ability to turn the volume so loud that 99.9% of Americans have no chance to have their speech heard.

well, you responded to mandy and I complaining that Kerry was in favor of limiting the free speech of corporations, and corporations only.

so yeah, you either agree with us or disagree with us. you disagreed = in favor of limiting corporate contributions only.

if that's not what you meant to do, then take better care when you dive in to a conversation. i'm happy to have you in the discussion, it's just tedious when i have to remind people what their original post implied.

159 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:04:19pm

I always have to laugh over the idea of corporations paying taxes. Consumers pay corporation taxes.

160 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:04:48pm

Bleh - I've been to Canada, twice. I get along with white people just fine, but up there, that's just too many white people. Just walking through a Home Depot to get those illegal 3.5 gal toilets, it's spooky. I don't mean just caucasian, like Italians or Jews, I mean white white. I mean Lawrence Welk tiny bubbles cucumber sandwiches on white bread with the crust trimmed and lots of mayonaisse white.

161 Petero1818  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:04:55pm

Look at that sweet little old lady in the last picture. Its the new face of evil folks.

162 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:06:41pm

re: #155 drcordell

Yeah Aceofwhat's logic doesn't really compute. See, unions are only able to exist so long as they have members paying dues. And for members to pay dues, the members need jobs. Therefore the union above all ELSE stands to benefit from ensuring that its members have jobs.

Now, if you want to argue that the unions don't care if any actual work is done by their members, fine. If you want to argue that the unions are willing to place the value of their members jobs above the value of the company continuing to function, fine. If you want to argue that unions protect incompetent workers who should be fired, at the expense of workers who are more qualified but remain unemployed, fine.

But the one argument you just can't make without looking stupid is that unions don't care about keeping their members jobs.

i see thousands of workers losing their jobs in Detroit because the unions were too stupid, too selfish, or both to cut a few jobs back when it would have made a difference. of course, that's not the only reason Detroit is struggling. it's a big reason, though.

so when you say "If you want to argue that the unions are willing to place the value of their members jobs above the value of the company continuing to function", you're really saying what i'm saying. you just haven't figured it out yet.

163 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:07:04pm

re: #158 Aceofwhat?


if that's not what you meant to do, then take better care when you dive in to a conversation. i'm happy to have you in the discussion, it's just tedious when i have to remind people what their original post implied.

Of course, the original post here was about Republicans and the tea party.....

164 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:07:37pm

re: #156 Locker

What I disagree with is your portrayal of Unions and of all Union leaders as liars who are only interested in keeping their jobs.

fine. they're not, you're right. and i disagree with the portrayal of "corporations" as some blanket word for evil groups of people who are to be less trusted than unions, PACS, or any other group of people.

165 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:37pm

re: #160 keloyd

Just walking through a Home Depot to get those illegal 3.5 gal toilets,

I updinged you just for the love of those illegal 3.5 gallon toilets.

166 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:45pm

re: #163 iceweasel

Of course, the original post here was about Republicans and the tea party...

and i apologized for going OT. i'm happy for others to join me or ignore me. i'm simply pointing out that somebody forgot what they took an opposite stance on. that's all!

167 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:08:45pm

re: #158 Aceofwhat?

well, you responded to mandy and I complaining that Kerry was in favor of limiting the free speech of corporations, and corporations only.

so yeah, you either agree with us or disagree with us. you disagreed = in favor of limiting corporate contributions only.

if that's not what you meant to do, then take better care when you dive in to a conversation. i'm happy to have you in the discussion, it's just tedious when i have to remind people what their original post implied.

Gotcha, apologies if I didn't make myself clear. And I do not agree with a bill that would close the loophole for corporations but keep it open for unions.

168 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:09:32pm
169 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:09:47pm

re: #167 drcordell

Gotcha, apologies if I didn't make myself clear. And I do not agree with a bill that would close the loophole for corporations but keep it open for unions.

then we're in agreement on that! see, that wasn't so hard.

170 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:10:17pm

Lightning flounce! That was bruce lee fast - good work there.

171 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:24pm

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

Lightning flounce! That was bruce lee fast - good work there.

Damn, missed it.

172 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:42pm

Speaking of blanket words for evil groups, NPR inverviewed 3 guys who do almost all the voice work for those political ads. These 3 guys have that deep, slightly gravelly voice of authoritah. It was a little tricky telling them apart on the radio. One of them figured out how to say "liberulllss" in a drawn out, menacing way and it was his trademark thing for a while. Now they all do it "liberrrullls", "unions", "corporate fat cats", etc.

The cool part was they were all 3 nonpolitical and did any ad, any group, any time, and had a big laugh about falling backwards into a pile of cash for very easy work.

173 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:44pm

re: #142 Locker

Yea your corporate boss cares more about your job than profits. Good one.

Damn skippy. It's business, not a work program.

174 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:12:44pm

re: #164 Aceofwhat?

fine. they're not, you're right. and i disagree with the portrayal of "corporations" as some blanket word for evil groups of people who are to be less trusted than unions, PACS, or any other group of people.

Again. A corporation is not a group of people. When a business is incorporated, it becomes its own legal entity with the full legal rights of a single person. And the only "group of people" that makes its decisions is the board of directors. Who are effectively not held responsible to anyone besides the shareholders of the company. Which yes, may include a mom and pop investor. But exceedingly likely any "person" with a controlling interest in said corporation is probably another corporation itself. Then simply repeat the cycle...

175 kanemaster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:14:23pm

It boggles my mind that many in the GOP still try to distance themselves from Tea Partiers.

176 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:14:35pm

re: #174 drcordell

And to continue my thought... no I do not trust the average member of a corporate board of directors to make decisions that are in my personal best interest.

177 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:14:35pm

it was literally chopsticks - fly. one minute there, re: #174 drcordell

Again. A corporation is not a group of people. When a business is incorporated, it becomes its own legal entity with the full legal rights of a single person. And the only "group of people" that makes its decisions is the board of directors. Who are effectively not held responsible to anyone besides the shareholders of the company. Which yes, may include a mom and pop investor. But exceedingly likely any "person" with a controlling interest in said corporation is probably another corporation itself. Then simply repeat the cycle...

corporations come in all different shapes, sizes, stripes, and colors. the SCOTUS left the disclosure requirements fully intact. we are better off leaving the first amendment the hell alone and just making sure that we citizens understand who is paying for what when we see political advertisements.

178 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:14:41pm

re: #172 keloyd

Speaking of blanket words for evil groups, NPR inverviewed 3 guys who do almost all the voice work for those political ads. These 3 guys have that deep, slightly gravelly voice of authoritah. It was a little tricky telling them apart on the radio. One of them figured out how to say "liberulllss" in a drawn out, menacing way and it was his trademark thing for a while. Now they all do it "liberrrullls", "unions", "corporate fat cats", etc.

The cool part was they were all 3 nonpolitical and did any ad, any group, any time, and had a big laugh about falling backwards into a pile of cash for very easy work.

Dave Bary hits below the beltway time!

"Bill Dumpy says that Bob Humpty is a bad man, I know this because I do the voice overs for both campaigns..."

179 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:15:01pm

re: #175 kanemaster

It boggles my mind that many in the GOP still try to distance themselves from Tea Partiers.

i don't get it. what do you mean?

180 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:15:20pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?

whoops, i should finish one post before i start another.

181 kanemaster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:16:49pm

Wow, that's different. I've been away from LGF for a while. All one has to do is click on my name and it takes people to my website. Pretty creative, I think.

182 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:17:05pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?


corporations come in all different shapes, sizes, stripes, and colors. the SCOTUS left the disclosure requirements fully intact. we are better off leaving the first amendment the hell alone and just making sure that we citizens understand who is paying for what when we see political advertisements.

That sounds lovely in theory, in practice not so much. There are a million ways for those disclosure requirements to be completely avoided. Create a shell company to funnel the money to before directly using it to influence an election. Donate the money to the Chamber of Commerce, who then spends the money to influence politics without being force to disclose who the original donor was. And the list goes on and on and on.

183 kanemaster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:19:19pm

Ace of what.........I'm talking about Scot Brown playing down the help he received from Tea Partiers when speaking to Barbara Walters. Some less than Conservative Republicans won't even attend Tea Party functions. I know my former RINO Representative, Fred Upton was a no show.

184 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:19:33pm

re: #171 webevintage

Damn, missed it.

It was like Godric at the end of True Blood last season...walking into the sunlight...it was a "take me now" flounce.

wish granted!

185 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20:23pm

re: #183 kanemaster

Ace of what...I'm talking about Scot Brown playing down the help he received from Tea Partiers when speaking to Barbara Walters. Some less than Conservative Republicans won't even attend Tea Party functions. I know my former RINO Representative, Fred Upton was a no show.

And you don't know why?

186 Jaerik  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:20:35pm

re: #12 Aceofwhat?

I love how it's not teh ghey, but sodomy in particular. Thanks, Rick Perry.

That's part of the strategy: maintaining that "teh gay" is not a trait but rather an act. It's vital to not only the overall political strategy, but also the personal strategy of rationalizing away those stray thoughts they sometimes have, but never act on.

187 Ed_Drone  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:21:33pm

The thing about the SCOTUS ruling that appeals to me is, if a corporation is a "person," let's tax them at personal rates! Without all the business deductions, that is. I mean, if I couldn't take a depreciation, tax credit, or some such, neither should they.

I also saw this somewhere:

Slavery is a legal fiction that a person is property.
A corporation is a legal fiction that property is a person.

Think about it.

Ed

188 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:21:48pm

re: #183 kanemaster

Ace of what...I'm talking about Scot Brown playing down the help he received from Tea Partiers when speaking to Barbara Walters. Some less than Conservative Republicans won't even attend Tea Party functions. I know my former RINO Representative, Fred Upton was a no show.

Oh. We talked about that a while back. One of the LGF'ers, whom many of us trust to tell it like it is, volunteered for him and swore that there were no TP'ers in any of the volunteer ranks. That was good enough for me. There's something deserved about taking a group's money and then turning around and selling them out...serves the TP'ers right.

Of course, you can only take that so far...i generalize.

189 MandyManners  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:22:22pm

re: #183 kanemaster

He got about $200,000.00.

Coakley got about $700,000.00 from SEIU.

190 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:22:33pm

re: #186 Jaerik

That's part of the strategy: maintaining that "teh gay" is not a trait but rather an act. It's vital to not only the overall political strategy, but also the personal strategy of rationalizing away those stray thoughts they sometimes have, but never act on.

So teh lez are A-OK, i guess. I shouldn't expect anything less than crazy from crazy, i guess!

191 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:24:26pm

re: #182 drcordell

That sounds lovely in theory, in practice not so much. There are a million ways for those disclosure requirements to be completely avoided. Create a shell company to funnel the money to before directly using it to influence an election. Donate the money to the Chamber of Commerce, who then spends the money to influence politics without being force to disclose who the original donor was. And the list goes on and on and on.

fine. i respect your right to fear this more than I do. surely there are solutions that don't involve screwing with the first amendment...

192 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:25:01pm

re: #187 Ed_Drone

what conclusion should i arrive at when i've thought about it?

193 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:25:16pm

bbiab

194 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:30pm

FoxNews weighs in on Obama attending the National Prayer Breakfast this morning, by questioning his faith.

The President's Prayer Breakfast Catastrophe

195 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:26:52pm

re: #184 Aceofwhat?

It was like Godric at the end of True Blood last season...walking into the sunlight...it was a "take me now" flounce.

wish granted!

heehee


Godric in the sun
awesome ancient tats
Eric weeping blood

196 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:28:45pm

re: #194 RadicalModerate

FoxNews weighs in on Obama attending the National Prayer Breakfast this morning, by questioning his faith.

The President's Prayer Breakfast Catastrophe

what a bunch of assholes.
How anyone can not see that "fair and balanced" is FOX's way of being ironic is beyond me.

197 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:29:32pm

re: #196 webevintage

what a bunch of assholes.
How anyone can not see that "fair and balanced" is FOX's way of being ironic is beyond me.

They 'report'; we deride.

198 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:32:02pm

Remember that Freakonomics book? They did a chapter on money in politics (in elections but not day-to-day politics, but I think their findings apply to that too.) Cutting through all the clever statistics that I don't remember how to do anymore , they found all the money in the world only causes about 5% more/less votes.

Their study went back to Texas Governor Connelly running for President, spending more money than anyone had ever seen before, then failing miserably. Their point was money helps; these future corporate donations will nudge things a bit their way, but all the cash in the world will not polish a turd. The voters are only sheep to a point. Candidates still must be electable and accountable, to some degree.

In other news, Webevintage - that was almost a Haiku. Replace the middle line with "I saw Anna Pacquin's boobs".

199 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:34:39pm

re: #181 kanemaster

Wow, that's different. I've been away from LGF for a while. All one has to do is click on my name and it takes people to my website. Pretty creative, I think.

So you're running for office? You misspelled altar boy.

200 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:36:49pm

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I have to say this reminds me of the point in time when the Right parties in the Reichstag realized they couldn't keep their seats if they didn't play nice with the Nazis.

201 drcordell  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:37:00pm

re: #191 Aceofwhat?

fine. i respect your right to fear this more than I do. surely there are solutions that don't involve screwing with the first amendment...

And I suppose that's where our fundamental difference lies. I don't see how anyone who claims to be a strict constructionist could read the Constitution and come to the separate conclusions that corporations deserve the full Constitutional protections of living persons.

202 subsailor68  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:37:27pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

So you're running for office? You misspelled altar boy.

Hi wrenchwench! Well, if he spelled it "alter boy" he's at least locked down one segment of the LGBT community!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

;-)

203 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:02pm

re: #202 subsailor68

Hi wrenchwench! Well, if he spelled it "alter boy" he's at least locked down one segment of the LGBT community!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

;-)

That he did!

204 keloyd  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:39:08pm

Breaking news - 6.0 earthquake in northern California. Stay tuned to Pat Robertson's website to know what this means.

205 Lidane  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:25pm

re: #194 RadicalModerate

FoxNews weighs in on Obama attending the National Prayer Breakfast this morning, by questioning his faith.

The President's Prayer Breakfast Catastrophe

No surprise there. I'm surprised they didn't call him a scary Muslim while they were at it. Asshats.

206 kanemaster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:41:58pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Thanks for the "Altar Boy" heads up. That's embarrassing.

207 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:43:14pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

So you're running for office? You misspelled altar boy.

It's a risible site, isn't it?

He also tells us this: "Anyone looking for a web designer, let me know. My guy is good."

Right. A jerky four-second video clip on infinite loop is "good".

208 webevintage  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 12:49:29pm

re: #198 keloyd

In other news, Webevintage - that was almost a Haiku. Replace the middle line with "I saw Anna Pacquin's boobs".

Damn.
Brilliant...

Godric in the sun
I saw Anna Pacquin's boobs
Eric weeping blood

awesome...

209 abbyadams  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:02:54pm

re: #196 webevintage

That was just awful.

210 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:14:14pm

re: #206 kanemaster

Thanks for the "Altar Boy" heads up. That's embarrassing.

No problem. Now maybe you can help me. How does being a right-to-lifer square with being a libertarian? This [from your site]:

Once again refer to the Declaration of Independence. We have a right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While being pro-choice on just about everything, the issue of life should not be one’s choice to make since it involves someone else paying for your decision.

...doesn't cut it. An embryo is not "someone else". You are placing an embryo above your fellow humans. How does that square with a woman's freedom? You say you're a "Ron Paul Republican", and I know he takes the same stand, and it doesn't make sense from him either.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:24:39pm

re: #160 keloyd

Bleh - I've been to Canada, twice. I get along with white people just fine, but up there, that's just too many white people. Just walking through a Home Depot to get those illegal 3.5 gal toilets, it's spooky. I don't mean just caucasian, like Italians or Jews, I mean white white. I mean Lawrence Welk tiny bubbles cucumber sandwiches on white bread with the crust trimmed and lots of mayonaisse white.

Well, at least it sounds exotic.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:26:13pm

re: #175 kanemaster

It boggles my mind that many in the GOP still try to distance themselves from Tea Partiers.

Why? If I were a Republican ("God forbid!" I can hear my mother crying,) I would want distance between myself and those guys.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:28:43pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I have to say this reminds me of the point in time when the Right parties in the Reichstag realized they couldn't keep their seats if they didn't play nice with the Nazis.

Vay's mir. Don't Godwin on me, it's not five o'clock yet.

214 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:38:30pm

re: #201 drcordell

And I suppose that's where our fundamental difference lies. I don't see how anyone who claims to be a strict constructionist could read the Constitution and come to the separate conclusions that corporations deserve the full Constitutional protections of living persons.

Easy.

Section 441b’s prohibition on corporate independent expenditures is thus a ban on speech. As a “restriction on the amount of money a person or group can spend on political communication during a campaign,” that statute “necessarily reduces the quantity of expression by restricting the number of issues discussed, the depth of their exploration, and the size of the audience reached.” Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U. S. 1, 19 (1976) (per curiam). Were the Court to uphold these restrictions, the Government could repress speech by silencing certain voices at any of the various points in the speech process. See McConnell, supra, at 251 (opinion of SCALIA, J.) (Government could repress speech by “attacking all levels of the production and dissemination of ideas,” for “effective public communication requires the speaker to make use of the services of others”). If &sect441b applied to individuals, no one would believe that it is merely a time, place, or manner restriction on speech. Its purpose and effect are to silence entities whose voices the Government deems to be suspect.

Speech is too essential a mechanism for democracy to allow the government to easily pick and choose which groups may or may not speak with relative freedom.

215 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:38:43pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Why? If I were a Republican ("God forbid!" I can hear my mother crying,) I would want distance between myself and those guys.

thank you

216 gamark  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:42:10pm

re: #196 webevintage

what a bunch of assholes.
How anyone can not see that "fair and balanced" is FOX's way of being ironic is beyond me.

I went to the link and right there at the top of the page in large type was the word: OPINION.
Assholes and opions. Everyone has them.

217 middy  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:49:39pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

...doesn't cut it. An embryo is not "someone else".

I think that's the crux of your disagreement right there. I think it can be argued either way, but I'm pro-choice for the sake of not criminalizing desperate young women.

218 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:56:11pm

re: #217 middy

I think that's the crux of your disagreement right there. I think it can be argued either way, but I'm pro-choice for the sake of not criminalizing desperate young women.

I know there are plenty of people who believe an embryo is "someone", but I've never found anyone who could reconcile the philosophy of "libertarianism" with banning abortion.

219 Lidane  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:21:28pm

re: #175 kanemaster

It boggles my mind that many in the GOP still try to distance themselves from Tea Partiers.

I can't imagine why anyone would want distance between themselves and the Tea Party types, especially when one of the more prominent supporters of the Tea Party movement says things like this:

"You don't take the name Barack to identify with America."

Nope. Can't understand why any sane person wouldn't want some distance there at all.

220 American-African  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 2:56:33pm

I wonder if Tea Partiers agree with tactics like this.

I am actually surprised Barney Frank was the one to bring this tactic out in the open.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #219 Lidane

I can't imagine why anyone would want distance between themselves and the Tea Party types, especially when one of the more prominent supporters of the Tea Party movement says things like this:

"You don't take the name Barack to identify with America."

Nope. Can't understand why any sane person wouldn't want some distance there at all.

He should have named himself John.

//

222 kanemaster  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 4:15:03pm

re: #207 Cato the Elder

What is a "risable site"? This is foreign to me but I like the feedback
Greg

223 Tigger2005  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 6:27:42pm

Top story in the GOPUSA-EAGLE newsletter that I receive:

"How Climate-Change Fanatics Corrupted Science" by Michael Barone.

A sample quote:

"First came the Climategate e-mails made public in November that showed how top-level climate scientists distorted research, plotted to destroy data and conspired to prevent publication of dissenting views."

Of course, the emails did no such thing. But this is now a matter of faith among the right wing, and nothing, but NOTHING, will shake it.

224 Cato the Elder  Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:23:19pm

re: #222 kanemaster

What is a "risable site"? This is foreign to me but I like the feedback
Greg

If you're going to run for Congress, you really might want to consider owning a dictionary.

At the very least it would set you apart from the teabagging masses and many current officeholders, such as Michele "Malaprop" Bachmann.

Then again, you probably don't want to appear even one quantum smarter than the idiots whose votes you are pleading for.

225 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:15:13am

re: #175 kanemaster

It boggles my mind that many in the GOP still try to distance themselves from Tea Partiers.

Yeah, well it boggles my mind that you are hosting this image on this section of your web site.

Boggles.

So much so that I'm tempted to ask if you are not, in fact, just a pig ignorant sack of meecrob?

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 2:49:09am

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

He should have named himself John.

//

These people still equate America to "White Christian Nation", and to them all outsiders are a threat. And by "outside" I mean "outside the white, Christian mainstream".

As for the President's "Prayer Breakfast Debacle", when it comes to religion in this country and in this cultural setting, you can do nothing right: fail to mention Jesus and you will annow the fundamentalist Chritians. mention jesus and risk annoying Jews and Muslims.

Religion should not be banned from public life as some extremists would have it, it should just not be made into part of official public life as some other extremists would have it.

Those who are trying to find a middle way will just have to get used to hearing it from both sides.

227 dean_k  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 4:08:00am

I know these are examples of other people's terrible behavior, but could I request you don't put abortion pictures on the front page? I'm not going to be able to get that out of my head for the rest of the day. Sorry if I sound like a whiner.

228 American-African  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:25:05am

This is absolutely disgusting.

Invoking ‘literacy test,’ Tea Party opening speaker suggests blacks be kept from voting

This is only one story and I want to believe it is false, but on reading the article I believe it to be true.

229 cliffster  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:30:08am

re: #228 American-African

This is absolutely disgusting.

Invoking ‘literacy test,’ Tea Party opening speaker suggests blacks be kept from voting

This is only one story and I want to believe it is false, but on reading the article I believe it to be true.

The headline says the speaker suggested keeping blacks from voting. Really? Show me the text of the speech where he says blacks should be kept from voting.

230 Lidane  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 9:46:17am

re: #229 cliffster

Show me the text of the speech where he says blacks should be kept from voting.

I'm pretty sure that calling for the racist Jim Crow-era "literacy" tests to be reinstated counts.

Considering the history of those tests and how they were used, especially here in the South, anyone who wants to bring them back has a very clear agenda in mind.

231 Lidane  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 9:52:09am

re: #228 American-African

This is only one story and I want to believe it is false, but on reading the article I believe it to be true.

It's shown up elsewhere. Just Google "Tancredo literacy test" and hit the News section. There's plenty of mentions of it. For example:

Tea Party convention's racial brouhaha: Obama won because Jim Crow-era law not on books - Tancredo

Tea Party Speech Slams "Cult of Multiculturalism"

To outright say that the only reason Obama won was because we didn't have Jim Crow type literacy tests on the books is incredibly offensive and racist, but it's Tancredo, so it's not a surprise.

232 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:06:37pm

re: #230 Lidane

I'm pretty sure that calling for the racist Jim Crow-era "literacy" tests to be reinstated counts.

Considering the history of those tests and how they were used, especially here in the South, anyone who wants to bring them back has a very clear agenda in mind.

It's not even dogwhistle anymore. It's a fucking pig-calling contest.

233 palomino  Fri, Feb 5, 2010 7:31:42pm

Maybe there are some differences between the tea partiers and the bulk of the GOP. But neither group seems that interested in distancing itself from the other.

ALL of the tea party heroes are republicans--Bachmann, Palin, Demint, Armey, Joe Wilson, Tancredo--and no one's suggesting these aren't mainstream republicans.

Conversely ALL of the tea party villains are Dems (ObamaPelosiReid). Or RINOs, whose biggest sin is that they occasionally vote with Dems (eg, Snowe and Specter before his "conversion")


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