And Now, Your CPAC Homophobia Moment

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Ryan Sorba of California Young Americans for Freedom, who participated in the San Bernardino ACORN investigation, condemns CPAC for allowing gay Republican group GOProud to attend, then gets into a screaming match with part of the audience, yelling, “The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do.”

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This is a sign of a growing schism in the ranks — the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the “social” issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

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1 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:00:53pm

Video's not uploaded yet.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:01:44pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Video's not uploaded yet.

Working here. Might take a couple of minutes to propagate across the YouTube network.

3 freetoken  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:02:13pm

Working fine here.... regrettably in some ways.

4 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:02:34pm

Freedom of opinion: That guy's a fucking asshole.

5 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:03:05pm

Notice that his "enemies" in the crowd start hooting as soon as he stands up. They must have known what he was going to say.

6 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:03:13pm

This guy needs to get laid desperately.

7 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:03:14pm

And he got booed off the stage.

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:03:15pm

re: #2 Charles

Ah, it's working now.

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:04:03pm

re: #7 cliffster

It looks like they knew what he was going to do. People in the crowd started booing as soon as he was announced.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:04:55pm

It's not the whole crowd booing. There's a particular segment that obviously has history with him.

11 freetoken  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:06:08pm

Continuing on from my little observation downstairs, the "conservative" coalition is unstable.

The only way to make it work is that envisioned by the Gary North's of the world, who see the US falling apart, so that each little Balkanized unit can follow their own doctrines.

That is one reason why the Confederacy is so appealing to these people. If each little unit was more autonomous then each could follow their own little culture: Baptists here, Pentacostals there, Libertarians across the desert, etc.

These people revile Abe Lincoln because Lincoln had a vision of the US as open-ended time wise, as something that could endure.

The "conservative" coalition, contra to their cries about Obama being anti-American, are the real political threat to what is known (post-Lincoln) as the United States.

12 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:06:13pm

What an asshole.

Good luck young Republicans - hate is not going to get you far.

13 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:07:03pm

What a gawt-damned douche-bag.

14 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:07:21pm

Good God - why does everybody pick on Smith College? Some of the best dates I ever had went there.

15 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:07:37pm

Here's the previous speaker....
CPAC Conference Dissolves Into Right-Wing Civil War Over Gay Rights

Youtube Video
16 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:16pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

If they want a movement that has young people in it, they can't have the homophobia. It's as simple as that.

17 brookly red  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:24pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Good God - why does everybody pick on Smith College? Some of the best dates I ever had went there.

/ ahhh so you are the reason, eh?

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:45pm

Good on them for booing him. Seriously why does the guy care so much about what gays do. If someone's going to be gay, why give a shit, it doesn't effect you at all. I wonder though why he was booed from the start. Either they knew he was going to say something stupid shit or he's rubbed some people the wrong way on other issues in the past.

19 Bagua  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:47pm

It looks like he got no love from the audience.

20 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:58pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Good God - why does everybody pick on Smith College? Some of the best dates I ever had went there.

Homophobia mixed with anti-elitism. Does it get any better?

21 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:09:58pm

Oooh. Someone just made an enemy out of him.

Take of your shirt and ripple your abs at him, bitch.

22 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:10:17pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Here's the previous speaker...
CPAC Conference Dissolves Into Right-Wing Civil War Over Gay Rights

Interesting. Lots and lots of cheers, a few annoying boos.

23 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:11:39pm

re: #16 Obdicut

If they want a movement that has young people in it, they can't have the homophobia. It's as simple as that.

True. If they want young voters they'll also have to get rid of racists like Buchanan, Coulter and Malkin. Very few people under 40 will tolerate bigotry.

24 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:11:46pm

re: #20 Olsonist

Homophobia mixed with anti-elitism. Does it get any better?

Triple whammy - homophobia, anti-elitism & women.

25 Bagua  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:12:42pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Good God - why does everybody pick on Smith College? Some of the best dates I ever had went there.

Mejool? One would have thought the climate unsuitable.

26 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:13:32pm

re: #7 cliffster

And he got booed off the stage.

First part of CPAC that I've approved of!

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:14:07pm

re: #19 Bagua

It looks like he got no love from the audience.

The "boo"s came from a small, younger segment of the audience. Looking at the rest of the crowd, the majority did not seem to object.

re: #22 cliffster

Interesting. Lots and lots of cheers, a few annoying boos.

The cheers came from a small, younger segment of the audience. Looking at the rest of the crowd, the majority did not seem to be enthusiastic.

28 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:15:08pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

That advice was directed at Mr Sorba, in case there's any confusion.

29 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:15:35pm

Ryan Sorba: uptight bombastic little worm. It should come as no surprise that he's also a believer in intelligent design. Read the comments there since some are applicable to his display today. Apparently this caveman tries to apply "science" to his little bag of tricks from time to time.

30 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:15:42pm

Some more context here: GOProud Director: National Organization for Marriage Are ‘Pansies,’ ‘Wusses’

I wish there was this much debate about the Birch Society but they all seem fine with that.

31 Doug Wild  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:17:01pm

Someone must have peed in his milk when he was quite small. What an awful fellow.

32 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:18:42pm

We are seeing one of the cracks (so to speak) in the Republican party's relationship with the conservative movement: there were fiscally conservative Republicans who saw gays as a potential source of support: they tended to be higher earners with more disposable income and fewer tax deductions for children or large suburban homes, which made them a lot more open to the Republican platform of lower taxes and lower government spending.

But that does not fit in with the moral conservatives who still see gays as an abomination unto the lord who need to be cured of their illness before it corrupts the rest of society and undermines family values.

They have just collided head-on.

33 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:19:04pm

Whussup wid dat...they have no use for homophobes!

34 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #10 Charles

It's not the whole crowd booing. There's a particular segment that obviously has history with him.

Yeah, he's there by invitation as well. They knew about this asshole. Apparently he made a scene at Smith College back in 2007. At the same time CPAC did not allow GOProud to speak at any of the events -- they were just allowed to have a booth.

35 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:19:20pm

OMG.
That was totally embarassing and disgusting.

36 Bagua  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:20:43pm

re: #35 reine.de.tout

OMG.
That was totally embarassing and disgusting.

Amazing, huh?

37 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:21:08pm

re: #11 freetoken

Continuing on from my little observation downstairs, the "conservative" coalition is unstable.

The only way to make it work is that envisioned by the Gary North's of the world, who see the US falling apart, so that each little Balkanized unit can follow their own doctrines.

That is one reason why the Confederacy is so appealing to these people. If each little unit was more autonomous then each could follow their own little culture: Baptists here, Pentacostals there, Libertarians across the desert, etc.

These people revile Abe Lincoln because Lincoln had a vision of the US as open-ended time wise, as something that could endure.

The "conservative" coalition, contra to their cries about Obama being anti-American, are the real political threat to what is known (post-Lincoln) as the United States.

That's their goal, a balkanized America composed of separate tribal homelands. Pat Buchanan Ideals at work.

38 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:21:10pm

My guess is that it was a setup to trick the homophobes into thinking they like gays. Very clever.
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39 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:24:19pm

OT: US Marines Seize Taliban HQ, IDs, Photos

Suck on it Cheney.

40 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:24:32pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Here's the previous speaker...
CPAC Conference Dissolves Into Right-Wing Civil War Over Gay Rights

That guy was nice and polite. Mr Sorba acted like a drunken college kkkid at Hooters.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:25:21pm

re: #33 Spare O'Lake

Whussup wid dat...they have no use for homophobes!

Howabout homophones?

42 keloyd  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:25:33pm

I have yet another wacky theory based on other big conventions I've had to attend. If it's a big thing, the booths that are smaller, in the adjoining rooms, or otherwise lower-rent will always have the nutters who should not be considered represantative of the group.

At a big financial shindig like 13 years ago, I saw (as an audience member) both Jerry Yang, founder of Yahoo, and Louis Rukeyser, the financial TV guru from PBS. His smart, witty, and rather patrician 30 minutes, once a week, was the predecessor of CNBC, Jim Cramer, and all the rest of today's antics. Long story short, a walk through the smaller stalls would show the gold bug people, oily looking characters with a magic black box and get-rich-quick seminars to sell, tiny and shady companies with some special oil drilling patent looking for suckers rubes investors, etc. The people who run these things prefer the extra income from renting more booths to keeping the image clean. I think it's the same for CPAC. They're more interested in filling the room and getting more cash to pay more big shot speakers and damn the consequences of letting in the nuts.

43 brookly red  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:26:47pm

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Howabout homophones?

why would you call yourself?

44 allegro  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:27:23pm

I've never in my life struck a person outside of martial arts class - even then I preferred blocking to punching - but I'd sure like to slap the snot outa that little shit.

45 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:27:29pm

They've perverted the concept of natural rights as well.

46 deadletterboy  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:27:44pm

Wow. That was a special kind of hatred. I didn't think anything could top (my Alma Mater) Michigan States YAF for idiocy, but this asshole takes the cake.

47 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:27:54pm

Well this was very refreshing. The horrible homophobe was sent packing to overwhelming boos, and in KT's link the pro-liberty-for-EVERYONE guy received overwhelming cheers. It's nice to see stuff like this actually get posted.

48 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:28:09pm

re: #40 Cato the Elder

That guy was nice and polite. Mr Sorba acted like a drunken college kkkid at Hooters.

Shock jock style. Reminded me of Curtis Sliwa in style.

49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:29:41pm

This is a sign of a growing schism in the ranks -- the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the "social" issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

50 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:30:50pm

Thanos, he stated that "civil rights are based on natural rights", and then went on to explain that homosexuality was not a right because it was "unnatural".

Aside from the fact that research indiates that homosexuality is not an unnatural state among humans and other species, it is a patently fallacious argument.

What about the right of the Pursuit of Happiness? Is there anything about practicing homosexuality that infringes on anyone else's pursuit of happiness? I don't see it.

51 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:30:51pm

I did a search on Sorba because I was curious and apparently he's got an article "debunking" homosexuality as a choice. Yeah Sorba my gay cousin chose to be gay so he could have dipshits like you calling him a pervert and sinner because of who he chooses to love. I really would respect the modern conservative movement so much more if they stopped making these the issues they focused on most. Sigh, I know there are plenty of reasonable conservatives out there but their voices are being drowned out by the crazies.

52 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:31:30pm

re: #49 Charles

This is a sign of a growing schism in the ranks -- the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the "social" issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

I'm guessing this detail coming out of the conference won't get much coverage from Fox....oops...I said 'coming out.'

53 American-African  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:31:45pm

This seems too foolish to actually have been real. I would expect that attitude to have been more accepted by those in attendance. This seems almost staged to make the GOP appear more supportive of GOProud than they really are.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:31:51pm

1. Thank you for embarassing California in front of everyone, Ryan.

2. How can you be part of a group 'For Freedom' and be against the freedom to be a gay Republican?

3. Well, at least the crowd yelled him down.

4. The lesbians at Smith protest much better than these people, but it's the lesbians at Mills (shoutout to mi chicas!) that do it best of all.

55 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:32:00pm

re: #49 Charles

This is a sign of a growing schism in the ranks -- the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the "social" issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

To the Bircher contingents the Gays are the new commies.

56 keloyd  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:32:13pm

Time for me to put on the hazmat suit and gloves again to defend my boy Pat Buchanan. On one hand, we have political hacks like Malkin or some Fox News writers who want to make themselves popular by fear-mongering against the dreaded outsider - e.g. the homosexual, interracial married illegal immigrant couple who are coming to take yer job.

Buchanan is different. His (distinctly old school) reading of human nature is that we all just are wired for fightin unless we separate into our own neighborhoods or countries or separate but equal churches. That may fall within a broad definition of 'racism', but it is not as inherently evil, imho. It's just his own contrarian hot headed Irish temperament + a huge brain + orthodox, pre Vatican II thinking + he's old.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:32:24pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

This guy needs to get laid desperately.

I kind of suspect some girl from Smith turned him down.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:33:12pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Good God - why does everybody pick on Smith College? Some of the best dates I ever had went there.

They're smart and they don't hide it. Some men love that. Others confuse it with hatred.

59 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:33:34pm

re: #56 keloyd

Fuck you and your support of populist xenophobia, Fuck Pat Buchanan.

60 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:34:05pm

Interesting information here:

YAF Watch

Our Mission

This is a blog dedicated to tracking the actions of the Michigan State University Young Americans for Freedom, a right-wing student activist group that has been designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. We will also be tracking other YAF groups across the state of Michigan and the nation, as well as other organizations, such as the Minutemen, with which they are affiliated.

61 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:34:08pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

I kind of suspect some girl from Smith turned him down.

An asshole like him couldn't get laid in a prison.

62 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:34:15pm

Who is the "Jeff Frazee" that is now Sorba's enemy? Either a Paulian, or a hockey player, or both?

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:34:26pm

re: #27 Slumbering Behemoth

The cheers came from a small, younger segment of the audience. Looking at the rest of the crowd, the majority did not seem to be enthusiastic.

So, what's going on? It's the younger crowd that likes the homophobia?

64 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:34:46pm

re: #61 darthstar

An asshole like him couldn't get laid in a prison.

Getting laid in prison counts as a "natural right" in most states...

65 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:35:15pm

re: #56 keloyd

That may fall within a broad definition of 'racism'

There's no "May" about it.

66 jaunte  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:35:50pm

re: #56 keloyd

Tribalism doesn't need any encouragement.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:36:07pm

re: #50 ralphieboy

Thanos, he stated that "civil rights are based on natural rights", and then went on to explain that homosexuality was not a right because it was "unnatural".

Aside from the fact that research indiates that homosexuality is not an unnatural state among humans and other species, it is a patently fallacious argument.

What about the right of the Pursuit of Happiness? Is there anything about practicing homosexuality that infringes on anyone else's pursuit of happiness? I don't see it.

Oh crap, the 'natural law' defense.

68 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:36:53pm

re: #56 keloyd

Buchanan thinks we're wired to fight those who look different. Deserves no defense, and your hazmat outfit will not suffice.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:37:14pm

re: #55 Thanos

To the Bircher contingents the Gays are the new commies.

You know, the commies actually did have, like countries, and nukes and stuff.

70 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:38:21pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh crap, the 'natural law' defense.


watch out for his Divine Right...

71 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #50 ralphieboy

Thanos, he stated that "civil rights are based on natural rights", and then went on to explain that homosexuality was not a right because it was "unnatural".

Aside from the fact that research indiates that homosexuality is not an unnatural state among humans and other species, it is a patently fallacious argument.

What about the right of the Pursuit of Happiness? Is there anything about practicing homosexuality that infringes on anyone else's pursuit of happiness? I don't see it.

Indeed, Natural rights go back to Grecian times, and they didn't have problems with someone being Gay. To the CPAC'ers "Natural Rights" is shorthand for "god given as in the bible". They don't understand the real concept of Universal Natural Rights at all.

72 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:38:55pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, the commies actually did have, like countries, and nukes and stuff.

and put gays in prison

73 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:39:22pm

re: #49 Charles

This is a sign of a growing schism in the ranks -- the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the "social" issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

I think that's why people like Beck keep pushing the secret socialist agenda conspiracies. Opposition to the worldwide communist agenda is just about the only thing holding together the coalition.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:39:29pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

So, what's going on? It's the younger crowd that likes the homophobia?

No. The part of my post you quoted was a reply to an observation that someone made about the video KT posted.

75 brookly red  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:39:39pm

re: #72 ralphieboy

and put gays in prison

/Lenny Bruce moment...

76 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:39:45pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

I kind of suspect some girl from Smith turned him down.

One of my first girlfriends went to Smith ... mmmmm, so naughty.

77 keloyd  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:40:01pm

re: #59 Thanos
"Support" is clearly not what I was doing if you done more than scan a few key words of my real point. I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him. I'd go further, but I don't throw pearls to swine.

78 Lidane  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:40:14pm

re: #56 keloyd

Buchanan is different. His (distinctly old school) reading of human nature is that we all just are wired for fightin unless we separate into our own neighborhoods or countries or separate but equal churches. That may fall within a broad definition of 'racism', but it is not as inherently evil, imho. It's just his own contrarian hot headed Irish temperament + a huge brain + orthodox, pre Vatican II thinking + he's old.

I used to give Pat the benefit of the doubt despite his blazing anti-Semitism, but seriously-- after publishing that last screed of his, where he argued that WWII was unnecessary, I'm convinced that he's gone totally batshit.

79 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #75 brookly red

/Lenny Bruce moment...

...there used to be a waiting list to get a conviction...

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:41:17pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

Buchanan thinks we're wired to fight those who look different.

If it were not for the miracle of evolution I would agree 100%.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:41:27pm

re: #72 ralphieboy

and put gays in prison

That too. I'm just considering the comparative threat posed by commies and gays. As far as I know, there are no nuclear gay orgnaizations.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:41:44pm

re: #77 keloyd

I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him.

And what "mistakes" were those, pray tell?

83 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:42:10pm

re: #77 keloyd

"Support" is clearly not what I was doing if you done more than scan a few key words of my real point. I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him. I'd go further, but I don't throw pearls to swine.

You're calling Thanos swine while trying to rationalize a defense for Pat Buchanan? Are you for real or are you drunk?

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:42:28pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Real drunk?

85 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:42:42pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

That too. I'm just considering the comparative threat posed by commies and gays. As far as I know, there are no nuclear gay orgnaizations.


Just wait until gays in the military seize control of our ICBM's...


///

86 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:42:48pm

re: #77 keloyd

"Support" is clearly not what I was doing if you done more than scan a few key words of my real point. I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him. I'd go further, but I don't throw pearls to swine.

I'm one of those people, let's discuss Pat Buchanan's Racism, unless you are afraid?

87 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:43:16pm

That guys is an ignorant jerk. I wonder how he'd explain away two male penguins getting friendly with one another. I'm very glad he was booed from the audience. More conservatives need to be opposed in a public forum.

88 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:44:01pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, the commies actually did have, like countries, and nukes and stuff.

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective, nuclear annihilation was nothing compared to the existential threat these guys think gays pose to their buttholes.

It's science!

89 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:44:02pm

re: #77 keloyd

"Support" is clearly not what I was doing if you done more than scan a few key words of my real point. I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him. I'd go further, but I don't throw pearls to swine.

To "defend" (the word you used) is the same as to "support". You seem to be rather ignorant.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:44:06pm

re: #85 ralphieboy

phallus time...

91 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:44:26pm

re: #70 ralphieboy

watch out for his Divine Right...

He probably just needs a divine intervention (won't hyperlink, as some may find the site offensive, but divine-interventions dot com is kind of funny...in a sacrilegious kind of way)...

92 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:45:05pm

“The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do.”....I'll have to disagree. Having lived in Northhampton for a bit and been at the receiving end of some, uh, Lesbian free speech, Ryan's only save was the microphone and the PA, otherwise he was schooled like a fool.

93 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:45:54pm

Keloyd?

94 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:47:31pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective, nuclear annihilation was nothing compared to the existential threat these guys think gays pose to their buttholes.

It's science!


Gays would never launch a nuclear attack, they would just use the threat of it to get us to asume the "duck and cover" position, and then it would be too late - they would have us just where they wanted us...

/

95 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:49:02pm
while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

I don't think antipathy is a strong enough word. More like hostility. Just my opinion.

96 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:49:35pm

re: #87 eclectic infidel

That guys is an ignorant jerk. I wonder how he'd explain away two male penguins getting friendly with one another. I'm very glad he was booed from the audience. More conservatives need to be opposed in a public forum.

I'm always a bit frisky in a tux.

97 Yashmak  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:51:30pm

Agreement on Obdicut's #16 and Killgore's #23.

Unfortunately, it will be difficult to shed the bigotry, as it seems inextricably tied to certain portions of the religious right who seem true-believers that homosexuals are an affront to God. I'm uncertain that segment of conservatives is really gathering more support of late, or is just being more vocal. Either way, I wish it wasn't the case.

98 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:52:00pm

Crazy Paleocons Angry Christians

99 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:52:05pm

re: #39 Conservative Moonbat

OT: US Marines Seize Taliban HQ, IDs, Photos

Suck on it Cheney.

You give the Marines a mission and you tell them when and where, they god damn do it.

100 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:52:46pm

re: #98 Mich-again

Crazy Paleocons Angry Christians

I'd give you a bunch of updings for that if I could.

101 insanity police  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:52:47pm

What an asshole!

102 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:53:20pm

re: #99 webevintage

You give the Marines a mission and you tell them when and where, they god damn do it.

All they needed was a Commander in Chief who could focus on what needed to be done and give orders accordingly.

103 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:53:55pm

re: #77 keloyd

"Support" is clearly not what I was doing if you done more than scan a few key words of my real point. I don't "support" Buchanan's world view, but that shouldn't stop me pointing out mistakes in what others say about him. I'd go further, but I don't throw pearls to swine.

Your words in your 56

re: #56 keloyd

made excuses for Buchanan and they were very supportive of him.

The "mistakes" you point out seem to focus on the conclusions others have drawn from Buchanan's words and behaviors - and not errors of fact.

So all in all - you look like a Buchanan supporter to me. Particularly the words "my boy Pat Buchanan".

104 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

I think he just realized that he let his mask drop and crack on the floor.

105 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:55:30pm

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
excerpt
JESUS was GAY - according to the gospel of SIR ELTON JOHN.
The singer makes his controversial claim about the Lord in a new US interview that will enrage America's bible belt.
snip

So the Sun plays the outrage card and the headline misses the very genuine kind things & important points Elton John has to say.
Like this quote-
"Jesus wanted us to be loving and forgiving. I don't know what makes people so cruel. Try being a gay woman in the Middle East - you're as good as dead."
Read more: [Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Its a damn shame how the media will pander the outrageous and ignore the significant.

106 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:55:50pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

He probably needs to clean his hazmat suit...on the inside.

107 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:55:54pm

re: #99 webevintage

"and graduation diplomas from a training camp in Pakistan." ???

Wanted: Fighter to wage holy war against invading infidels. AK47 supplied, diploma required or 3 years of field experience.

108 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:56:22pm

re: #106 darthstar

He probably needs to clean his hazmat suit...on the inside.

Urine is not a disinfectant.

/

109 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:56:22pm

re: #55 Thanos

That's as chilling as it is accurate. Wow.

110 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:56:41pm

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]
excerpt
JESUS was GAY - according to the gospel of SIR ELTON JOHN.

Well, he did ask Thomas to stick a finger in his hole.
/////

111 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:56:55pm

re: #104 Thanos

I think he just realized that he let his mask drop and crack on the floor.

He's still logged in.
I've always wondered about that nic - keloyd - odd thing to use as a nickname.

112 Mich-again  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:57:15pm

re: #97 Yashmak

Funny how these Christians cling to the Old Testament (see Leviticus 18:22) and ignore the Gospels. (see John 8:7)

113 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:57:42pm

re: #105 Rightwingconspirator

A serious Anglican Bishop and biblical scholar makes some well-founded claims that St paul was a closet gay:

[Link: news.google.com...]

114 freetoken  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:57:53pm

Meanwhile, over on one of Murdoch's hate sites, FoxNation, under the story titled "Obama Approves $1.25B Settlement for Black Farmers", we find such enlightened comments as:

Ruger
SERIOUSLY....... THERE IS ONLY BUT SO MUCH MARKET FOR WATER MELON!

Friday, February 19, 2010 at 06:33 PM

eaglefan67
since when is growing pot under your bed farming?

Friday, February 19, 2010 at 06:32 PM

pckt chng
how many of you know a black farmer answer = none guess why uh uh ah they would have to work

Friday, February 19, 2010 at 05:53 PM

There you have your Fox Fans...

I'll repeat what I said yesterday: Alex Jones is not the biggest purveyor of hate in the US. Neither is it Pat Buchanan.

Rupert Murdoch has them all beat.

115 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:58:05pm

re: #111 reine.de.tout

He's still logged in.
I've always wondered about that nic - keloyd - odd thing to use as a nickname.

EWE Reine! haha

116 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 3:58:37pm

re: #110 darthstar

HAHAHA your going to helll!!!!

Save me a good seat.

117 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:00:01pm

re: #114 freetoken

Meanwhile, over on one of Murdoch's hate sites, FoxNation, under the story titled "Obama Approves $1.25B Settlement for Black Farmers", we find such enlightened comments as:


What a bunch of idiot wankers.

It is about time that was settled.

118 zeir  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:02:07pm

Fascinating...

119 zora  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:03:16pm

lots of the anti-gay christian movement get their talking points and ideas about gays from here
[Link: americansfortruth.com...] chools/gay-straight-alliance

120 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:03:20pm

re: #61 darthstar

An asshole like him couldn't get laid in a prison.

He couldn't get laid in a monkey sorority if he owned a banana plantation.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:04:23pm

Finally got to see the clip. Most of the crowd looks indifferent, but there's clearly a group--young and male from what I see--who don't like this guy and don't mind yelling about it.

122 simoom  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:05:12pm

More photos from CPAC, these posted yesterday on Politico:

Tone-deaf booth poster - "IRS Represents Satan"
Image: 100218_cpac13_392_regular.jpg

Sketchy "Gov't Gone Wild" inflatable monkey
Image: 100218_cpac11_392_regular.jpg

Obama "Chains You Can Beleive In" shackled hands bumper sticker
Image: 100218_cpac14_392_regular.jpg

That "Real Men Marry Women" bumper sticker (again)
Image: 100218_cpac6_392_regular.jpg

123 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:05:31pm

The rabid christian flavor of far right youth all seem to be associated with either YAF, or YAfF. Interesting that those two orgs ran so far downhill towards Racism since they were founded. I think that too many R's have left the shitheads in control of the youth groups exactly because the leadership in the Republican party has never focused on youth. It's kind of sad.

Whosit that got busted the other week was in YAF as well iirc.

124 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:06:01pm

pckt chng
how many of you know a black farmer answer = none guess why uh uh ah they would have to work
Friday, February 19, 2010 at 05:53 PM

You know, this one pisses me off more then the others because it shows such a lack of knowledge. Of history, of rural America.
I. just. hate. stupid.
Bah!

125 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:06:18pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, the commies actually did have, like countries, and nukes and stuff.

A crazed survivalist of the gun-shop commando school once told me that one benefit of nuclear war would be the extinction of homosexuals (among many others).

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:06:39pm

re: #122 simoom

More photos from CPAC, these posted yesterday on Politico:

Tone-deaf booth poster - "IRS Represents Satan"
[Link: images.politico.com...]

Sketchy "Gov't Gone Wild" inflatable monkey
[Link: images.politico.com...]

Obama "Chains You Can Beleive In" shackled hands bumper sticker
[Link: images.politico.com...]

That "Real Men Marry Women" bumper sticker (again)
[Link: images.politico.com...]

"Gun Registration is a Gateway Drug"

"Statist Tea Tastes Sour"

127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:06:46pm

re: #111 reine.de.tout

I had a teacher in Jr. High with keyloids all of the way across her neckline. I swear it looked like someone had sewn her head on. She, standing next to "Big Momma" made "Big Momma" look like "not so big momma".

Remember, this was a Jr. High School. I never, once, ever heard anyone make fun of Ms Hunt. One of the greatest people I've ever known.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

A crazed survivalist of the gun-shop commando school once told me that one benefit of nuclear war would be the extinction of homosexuals (among many others).

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:07:59pm

CURLING IS ON CNBC! WOO HOO!

130 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:08:21pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

That, or he just thinks gays are more radiant.

131 insanity police  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:08:22pm

A video clip called "Ryan Sorba discusses "The Born Gay Hoax"" is linked on Free Republic. Figures.

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:09:02pm

re: #122 simoom

I must not be a real man then, since I've never married.

133 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:09:27pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

No, but once the gay-coddling federal government breaks down, there would be nothing to prevent the gun-toting, god-fearing Christian militias from exterminating the gays. Makes sense in its own perverse logic...

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:09:29pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

you did get my "Hoopla" joke earlier?

135 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:09:40pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

No silly, they'll be in their vaults....

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:10:37pm

re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth

I must not be a real man then, since I've never married.

Neither did Jesus.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:02pm

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

you did get my "Hoopla" joke earlier?

Uh, no. Explain?

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:20pm

re: #135 Thanos

Vault 69: Not nearly as cool as it sounds.

139 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:40pm

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a teacher in Jr. High with keyloids all of the way across her neckline. I swear it looked like someone had sewn her head on. She, standing next to "Big Momma" made "Big Momma" look like "not so big momma".

Remember, this was a Jr. High School. I never, once, ever heard anyone make fun of Ms Hunt. One of the greatest people I've ever known.

It's a deforming condition for which there isn't really a 100% effective treatment. The choice of that for a nic was something I though was odd.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:48pm

OK, I have to go home.

141 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:54pm

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CURLING IS ON CNBC! WOO HOO!

I have a real issue here..I'm going to a party Saturday Night..Somebody there gave me Dan Brown's Book Lost Symbols for Christmas.. I know I'm going to get questioned about it..I need to read at least 1 chapter or get the Cliff notes..
Cause I am in deep do-do.

142 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:11:57pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Neither did Jesus.


Jesus was not a Real man, he was the Son of God.

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:12:03pm

re: #122 simoom


Sketchy "Gov't Gone Wild" inflatable monkey
[Link: images.politico.com...]

I'd say that's over the line.

144 Linden Arden  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:12:57pm

Actually, the father of conservatism, Edmund Burke, would agree with Sorba on natural rights. Burke wrote -

As to the right of men to act anywhere according to their pleasure, without any moral tie, no such right exists.

Now I completely DISAGREE with Burke and Sorba.

My point is that when a conservative talks "natural rights" prepare to hear some real bullshit.

145 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:13:13pm

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth

Vault 69: Not nearly as cool as it sounds.

Really?

Wasn't that the one with 999 women and one man...

146 simoom  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:13:35pm

Also at CPAC, a giant-sized anti-Net Neutrality poster / petition:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Keep the Government out of my Internet!

American's for Prosperity

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:14:09pm

re: #145 jamesfirecat

Yup.

148 insanity police  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:14:25pm

Ryan Sorba quote posted in comments section of article: "The Conservative Revolution is upon us!!!!! " This was at the end of a rambling gay bashing quote.

149 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:15:20pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

Yup.

So yeah, there pretty much screwed within a few generations due to massive inbreeding, but for that one guy who went in there with the 999 women, I'd argue Vault 69 was as good as it sounds...

150 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:15:46pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

I'd say that's over the line.

It's a great pic to bring around to Republican events and ask people like Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachmann, Eric Cantor, and John Boehner to sign. Then publish it and ask them why they thought it was appropriate.

151 allegro  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:16:05pm

re: #148 insanity police

"The Conservative Revolution is upon us!!! " This was at the end of a rambling gay bashing quote.

Ooo, I bet his little pecker just gets all excited when he talks all manly like that.

152 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:16:37pm

re: #144 Linden Arden

Actually, the father of conservatism, Edmund Burke, would agree with Sorba on natural rights. Burke wrote -


Now I completely DISAGREE with Burke and Sorba.

My point is that when a conservative talks "natural rights" prepare to hear some real bullshit.

No, that line is fine, our rights cease when they begin to impinge on others' rights.

How does practicisng homosexuality impinge or threeaten other peoples' rights?

I can only assume that Sorba the Greek's logic is that by pracising their homosexuality, they are tempting god to send his divine retribution unto us all, as he did with Sodom and Gomorrah.

153 Randall Gross  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:16:44pm

re: #144 Linden Arden

Actually, the father of conservatism, Edmund Burke, would agree with Sorba on natural rights. Burke wrote -

Now I completely DISAGREE with Burke and Sorba.

My point is that when a conservative talks "natural rights" prepare to hear some real bullshit.

The original proponents of Natural rights were the Stoics, not Burke. So if they want to argue I am ready.

154 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:16:51pm

re: #113 ralphieboy

Whoa, I do not know what to make of that. He sure makes some assumptions there. Interesting in any case.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:17:38pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

Trust me, it's not.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:18:57pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

Uh, no. Explain?

You said "my city by the bay" making me think of Journey's "Lights". Then the worst song in history attacked my skull...

Allow me to share the Brain Burrowing Singing Earworm.

157 pharmmajor  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:19:01pm

re: #2 Charles

...the libertarian members of the new hard-edged conservatism are more inclined to be tolerant on the “social” issues like homosexuality, while the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights that has reached a fever pitch recently.

Here's hoping that the libertarian-oriented will eventually prevail over the hard-line right-wingers, as more will realize that we actually have common sense and decency.

158 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:19:30pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator


The point of Bishop's Spongg's book is that taking a literalist view of the scriptures and not seeing it in its social and historical context robs the scriptures of their inner truth and makes them a laughingstock to any educated person.

It's a compelling read, not just for the bits on St. Pauli-Girly Man.

159 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:20:04pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

Which is kind of a shame really, what with all the redecorating opportunities that a nuclear exchange would create.

160 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:20:17pm

re: #158 ralphieboy

An excellent point.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:20:27pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I have a real issue here..I'm going to a party Saturday Night..Somebody there gave me Dan Brown's Book Lost Symbols for Christmas.. I know I'm going to get questioned about it..I need to read at least 1 chapter or get the Cliff notes..
Cause I am in deep do-do.

Allow me to help...

"WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT BOOK! I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE YOU THOUGHT I COULD GET BY CHAPTER ONE! IT WAS AWFUL."

You. Are. Welcome.

162 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:20:54pm

re: #122 simoom

More photos from CPAC, ...

That "Real Men Marry Women" bumper sticker (again)
[Link: images.politico.com...]

This could backfire: although Jesus of the Christians never married, Mohammad of the Muslims did. But, let them exclude gays, let them splinter from their younger members. One day, they'll reap what they sow.

163 The Shadow Do  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:21:02pm

re: #157 pharmmajor

Here's hoping that the libertarian-oriented will eventually prevail over the hard-line right-wingers, as more will realize that we actually have common sense and decency.

Ron Paul!

164 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:22:02pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

That man has become an embarrassment to "small l" libertarians.

165 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:22:43pm

re: #164 Rightwingconspirator

That man has become an embarrassment to "small l" libertarians.

I've lost hope for the Libertarian Party.
:(

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:22:56pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously, Hoops. It was a piece of tripe.

Maybe this will help... and you can be nicer than I recommended... the words (in astonishment/sheer amazement) "Oh, my God." are used about 12 quintillion times.

Very mellow-dramatic... and well... ugh.

167 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:23:11pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Allow me to help...

"WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT BOOK! I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE YOU THOUGHT I COULD GET BY CHAPTER ONE! IT WAS AWFUL."

You. Are. Welcome.

I am so using that! Thank Goodness I don't need the crib notes

168 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #160 Rightwingconspirator


Check out Bishop's Spongg's "rescuing the bible from fundamentalism", it really cleared up a lot of issues i had with the christian religion

[Link: www.amazon.de...]

169 claire  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:24:23pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I have a real issue here..I'm going to a party Saturday Night..Somebody there gave me Dan Brown's Book Lost Symbols for Christmas.. I know I'm going to get questioned about it..I need to read at least 1 chapter or get the Cliff notes..
Cause I am in deep do-do.

If you get busy you can read the whole thing by midnight. Easy read. It was fun in a Silence of the Lambs crossed with a Nicholas Cage Treasure movie kinda way.

170 RurouniKenshin  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:24:39pm

Holy crap, I figured there was some awful shit going on at CPAC (just as went down at the Tea Party Convention) but I didn't realize they were letting douchebags like this guy stand up and spout hate.

Yeah, this is pretty much why I've gone from Right to Center-Left on the political spectrum. I'm done with hate and with religion-founded principles.

171 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:24:49pm

re: #165 Varek Raith
The party never got real traction, the principles will do just fine. There will be a sensible influence of the Republicans.

172 torrentprime  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:24:52pm

Parachute commenting on the OP:
Charles,
Thanks for keeping an eye (and reporting!) on this particular symptom of the current right wing.

173 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:25:49pm

re: #168 ralphieboy

I'll have to get that when I can. Bookmarked.

174 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:26:07pm

re: #170 RurouniKenshin

Holy crap, I figured there was some awful shit going on at CPAC (just as went down at the Tea Party Convention) but I didn't realize they were letting douchebags like this guy stand up and spout hate.

Yeah, this is pretty much why I've gone from Right to Center-Left on the political spectrum. I'm done with hate and with religion-founded principles.

I liked the way the woman who introduced him wiped the "I just bit into a turd" look off her face and said, "Freedom of opinion, freedom of opinion, freedom of opinion." after he left the stage. I don't expect she was too pleased with his performance.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:26:12pm

re: #169 claire

You are too kind, Claire.

No, really. You are being too kind.

176 pharmmajor  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:27:10pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

Ron Paul!

No... someone who isn't completely insane.

No offense, but I'm tired of getting lumped in with whackjobs like Ron Paul and Glenn Beck.

177 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:27:23pm

re: #122 simoom

More photos from CPAC, these posted yesterday on Politico:

Tone-deaf booth poster - "IRS Represents Satan"
[Link: images.politico.com...]

Sketchy "Gov't Gone Wild" inflatable monkey
[Link: images.politico.com...]

Obama "Chains You Can Beleive In" shackled hands bumper sticker
[Link: images.politico.com...]

That "Real Men Marry Women" bumper sticker (again)
[Link: images.politico.com...]

The "Real Men Marry Women" is a bumper sticker from Concerned Women for America.

Concerned Women for America is a Conservative Christian political action group active in the United States. The group was founded in 1979 by Beverly LaHaye, wife of Christian Coalition of America co-founder Timothy LaHaye, as a response to activities by the National Organization for Women and a 1978 Barbara Walters interview with noted feminist Betty Friedan...

Also see:

Timothy LaHaye believes that the Illuminati is secretly engineering world affairs. In Rapture Under Attack he wrote:

I myself have been a forty-five year student of the satanically-inspired, centuries-old conspiracy to use government, education, and media to destroy every vestige of Christianity within our society and establish a new world order. Having read at least fifty books on the Illuminati, I am convinced that it exists and can be blamed for many of man's inhumane actions against his fellow man during the past two hundred years

Wendy Wright was the speaker for Concerned Women of America at the CPAC conference.

178 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:28:13pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

I'll have to get that when I can. Bookmarked.

Yeah. The list of books I want to get to could never be read in a lifetime. Especially considering I get a chance to actually sit down and read for, oh, 5 minutes a day.

179 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #177 Gus 802

Wendy Wright was the speaker for Concerned Women of America at the CPAC conference.

Real Men Use Swords, Not Guns.
:P

180 deadletterboy  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:28:19pm

I've gotta go, reading stuff on here and Pharyngula is giving me ulcers. I'm going to go read until I go to the gym tonight. Peace.

181 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:28:45pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Real Men Use Swords, Not Guns.
:P

Real Chinese food lovers use chop sticks.

/

182 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Real Chinese food lovers use chop sticks.

/

Sign in Chinese restaurant men's toom:

EMPLOYEES MUST WASH CHOPSTICKS

183 Digital Display  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:29:57pm

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously, Hoops. It was a piece of tripe.

Maybe this will help... and you can be nicer than I recommended... the words (in astonishment/sheer amazement) "Oh, my God." are used about 12 quintillion times.

Very mellow-dramatic... and well... ugh.

Another useless hard bound I'll read someday..
Weee.I'm an Elite!

184 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:10pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Real Men Use Swords, Not Guns.
:P

Yeah, but "This is my saber, this is my sword" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

185 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:22pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Real Chinese food lovers use chop sticks.

/

And real Thai food lovers use a spoon.

186 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:38pm

re: #168 ralphieboy

Meh, I found atheism did it for me.

187 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:42pm

This is interesting, isn't it?

Seems to suggest that even CPAC is a squabbling tangle of interests and factions. Like very other group.

Gee, sounds like maybe it's NOT all over, eh?

188 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:47pm

re: #178 cliffster

I do have the advantage of a subway commute- 30 minutes each way to fill.

189 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:52pm

re: #178 cliffster

Yeah. The list of books I want to get to could never be read in a lifetime. Especially considering I get a chance to actually sit down and read for, oh, 5 minutes a day.

Gonna recommend the Kindle (the smaller one)
It's so handy and easy to carry around, I have increased my daily reading time. Plus when you finish one thing, the next one is right there. I am so glad I got this thing.

190 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:30:57pm

re: #185 darthstar

And real Thai food lovers use a spoon.

And real Ethiopian food lovers use their hands.

/OK, I'll stop.

191 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #190 Gus 802

And real Ethiopian food lovers use their hands.

/OK, I'll stop.

Three fingers or four?

192 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:31:24pm

This is my woman and this is my gun/
one is for fightin' and the other's for fun...

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:31:30pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Real Chinese food lovers use chop sticks.

Love Jerry Seinfeld's bit on that..."What's up with the Chinese and chopsticks. They've seen the fork. I'm surprised some farmer out in a field with a pitchfork didn't go, 'Hey!'".

194 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:31:53pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Real Men Use Swords, Not Guns.
:P

Real men use pens, not swords.

195 simoom  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:32:33pm

More from CPAC in the TalkRadioNews flickr photostream:

"Impeach Obama Campaign" booth

Find out what has Obama sweating...

President Obama's actions show a malevolence toward this country that is daily getting harder to deny. Our Founding Fathers forsaw this possibility and gave us, the people, the responsibility to impeach such a president when he commits "misdemeanors" against the United States of America.

Over 150,000 citizens have already signed the petition and are making their voices heard!

Bumper Stickers - "It's a Southern Thing, You Wouldn't Understand" w/ confederate flag and "Evolution is Science Fiction"
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More tone-deaf anti-IRS imagery
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196 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:32:50pm

re: #186 Jeff In Ohio

Meh, I found atheism did it for me.


It didn't make a believer out of me, but I learned to appreciate what the religion was about a lot more. it is not just a religion for fundamentalist dogmatist idiots.

197 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:33:16pm

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love Jerry Seinfeld's bit on that..."What's up with the Chinese and chopsticks. They've seen the fork. I'm surprised some farmer out in a field with a pitchfork didn't go, 'Hey!'".

That's would funny. Would make an interesting cutlery set. The forks are like miniature pitchforks.

198 Kragar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:33:39pm

Ah, nothing like the smell of primer in an enclosed space to get the creative juices going.

199 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:33:54pm

re: #197 Gus 802

That's would funny. Would make an interesting cutlery set. The forks are like miniature pitchforks.

Oops, extra word there.

200 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:34:13pm

re: #197 Gus 802

That's would funny. Would make an interesting cutlery set. The forks are like miniature pitchforks.

I've always considered a smallish spear-type implement to have been the most logical piece to constitute Ur-cutlery.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:34:38pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Well, if you want to feel important? I just read your post fifteen times trying to understand it.
/

202 Varek Raith  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:34:48pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

Real men use pens, not swords.

While not a man, Kirika, from the anime Noir, killed a man with the arm of a pair of glasses. Badass.
:)

203 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:34:55pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight people are more resistant to radiation?

re: #133 ralphieboy

No, but once the gay-coddling federal government breaks down, there would be nothing to prevent the gun-toting, god-fearing Christian militias from exterminating the gays. Makes sense in its own perverse logic...

Exactly right, Ralph. But in addition, the survival fantasist envisions that the post-nuke world would finally allow him to achieve his true potential; living off the land, keeping riotous minorities at bay with buckshot, making Jews and pointy-headed intellectuals quake in fear, and perhaps surrounding himself with a harem of college babes who would naturally abandon their prissy metrosexual boyfriends for a real man when, well, survival required it.

My response was to ask how much combat he had seen in his life. None at all, it turns out. At least he was honest about that.

204 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:34:59pm

re: #190 Gus 802

And real Ethiopian food lovers use their hands.

/OK, I'll stop.

Well, technically we use injira as the utensil, but we do get to consume that as well.

205 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:35:19pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

It's spelled 'Keloid', too. I'm keloid. I scar up something awful. Big pink shiny ugly scars. They ache sometimes too.

So yeah, it's an odd name.

206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:35:25pm

re: #16 Obdicut

If they want a movement that has young people in it, they can't have the homophobia. It's as simple as that.

yep. If they are percieved as bigoted, they make conservative Democrats out of people who might otherwise be part of their scene.

207 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:35:35pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

While not a man, Kirika, from the anime Noir, killed a man with the arm of a pair of glasses. Badass.
:)


There was a scene like that in "Godfather III"

208 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:35:55pm

re: #204 eclectic infidel

Well, technically we use injira as the utensil, but we do get to consume that as well.

Right. I forgot about that. It's been a while. Now I'm hankering for a hungering.

209 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:36:12pm

re: #204 eclectic infidel

Well, technically we use injira as the utensil, but we do get to consume that as well.

I do the same thing with forks sometimes.

210 Bagua  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:36:26pm

Professor Watson reacts to Ryan Sorba.


Youtube Video
211 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:37:05pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

While not a man, Kirika, from the anime Noir, killed a man with the arm of a pair of glasses. Badass.
:)

Real men can kill you with a carrot...like my husband Clive Owen.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:37:23pm

re: #157 pharmmajor

Here's hoping that the libertarian-oriented will eventually prevail over the hard-line right-wingers, as more will realize that we actually have common sense and decency.

The problem is libertarians are not an activist base, the RR is. And libertarians aren't organized, the RR is.

213 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

The problem is libertarians are not an activist base, the RR is. And libertarians aren't organized, the RR is.

"RR"
Railroad?
Oh,
must be Religious Right?

214 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

The problem is libertarians are not an activist base, the RR is. And libertarians aren't organized, the RR is.

Nah, it's the error of the "unified opponent." I've seen these guys up-close - they're as factionalized as an college Communist club, with more cliques than a high school lunch room. They LOOK unified only because you are looking at them from a distance.

215 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #211 webevintage

Real men can kill you with a carrot...like my husband Clive Owen.


any sort of fresh fruit can be dangerous

Youtube Video
216 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:39:16pm

Ha! Apparently, Romney tried to use the "Vulcan death grip" on the guy who confronted (assaulted, according to media reports) him on his flight the other day.

217 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:40:40pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

The problem is libertarians are not an activist base, the RR is. And libertarians aren't organized, the RR is.

Libertarians are pretty cheap too. Again, the RR isn't.

218 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:41:08pm

In other news...

The Original Birther Makes the Rounds at CPAC

It’s been almost exactly 18 months since Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania lawyer and Hillary Clinton supporter, filed a lawsuit demanding that his state keep Barack Obama off the presidential ballot until he provided satisfactory proof that he was born in America — something Berg said Obama couldn’t do. Today Berg appeared at CPAC, handing out a leaflet promoting his ObamaCrimes website (it argues that the president is a “citizen of Indonesia”) and seeking out reporters to promote his case...

219 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:41:34pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Right. I forgot about that. It's been a while. Now I'm hankering for a hungering.

It's always been comfort food to me.

There used to be a place on Telegraph Ave in Berkeley (CA) called the Blue Nile. The food was cheap, fresh, spicy and served by Ethiopian women. Inexpensive delicious food served by beautiful women. I miss that place.

220 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:41:35pm

By the way - the wushi (lion dance) was freakin' awesome! As always.

They did it up right, proper, and old-school, too - a pair of lions, male & female, doing acrobatic stuff with other dancers. A real hoot!

And then, another huge banquet. We're all on tea and tobacco break right now, then back to the grub!

221 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

The problem is libertarians are not an activist base, the RR is. And libertarians aren't organized, the RR is.

A big chunk of the tea party movement is libertarian. Paulian anyway, so there's some overlap.

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:42:18pm

A Demotivational Poster for the theme of the thread.

223 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:43:27pm

re: #215 ralphieboy

any sort of fresh fruit can be dangerous


[Video]

Or annoying

Youtube Video
224 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:43:52pm

re: #211 webevintage

Real men can kill you with a carrot...like my husband Clive Owen.

+1 for one of the best worst movies ever.

225 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:44:02pm

re: #219 eclectic infidel

It's always been comfort food to me.

There used to be a place on Telegraph Ave in Berkeley (CA) called the Blue Nile. The food was cheap, fresh, spicy and served by Ethiopian women. Inexpensive delicious food served by beautiful women. I miss that place.

We have quite a few around here. Most of them are rather non-distinct places but the food's great and so is the service.

226 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:44:27pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

+1 for one of the best worst movies ever.

I liked "Shoot 'em up"...campy, but fun.

227 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:44:30pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

A Demotivational Poster for the theme of the thread.

I saw that when it got passed around awhile back. Hahaha - "... and also he has blue eyes".

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:45:09pm

re: #213 reine.de.tout

"RR"
Railroad?
Oh,
must be Religious Right?

yes. :) Anti-gay hard-religious right, not just the I-vote-republican-and-go-to-church normal people.

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:46:32pm

re: #227 cliffster

See, that proves it. Not only have I never married, but I also have blue eyes. I must be gay. Though apparently, my penis is unaware of that fact.

230 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:47:44pm

re: #223 Mr Pancakes

Or annoying


[Video]

Or disturbing:

[Link: video.adultswim.com...]

ATHF, my friends

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:48:02pm

re: #221 Conservative Moonbat

A big chunk of the tea party movement is libertarian. Paulian anyway, so there's some overlap.

I know there is, but I don't know that they have the pull to drown out the megachurch dominionist crowd. "Othering" is a powerful political strategy. And they sort of started the tea-party movement, but it was pretty quickly taken away from them and coopted by Dick Armey's Freedomworks. I wouldn't bet on libertarians becoming the driving philosophical leaders of...anything, really. ;-)

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:48:24pm

re: #195 simoom

A confederate flag
Lovely.
/

233 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:50:10pm

re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth

See, that proves it. Not only have I never married, but I also have blue eyes. I must be gay. Though apparently, my penis is unaware of that fact.

I saw a funny website a bit ago that had something about "gay cream" - you rub it on yourself and it makes you gay. So I just googled "gay cream" to find the link. I have a suggestion for you: don't google that.

234 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:50:35pm

I am getting such a kick out of this.

Before the superbowl, the clerk's office of the District Court in Indianapolisa nice photo of its staff to the clerk's office of Louisiana's Eastern District. Nice photo, everyone is smiling nicely.

This is the Eastern District of Louisiana Clerk‘s office response . . .

235 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:51:44pm

re: #231 WindUpBird

Am I Godwin'ing myself if I say that FreedomWorks reminds me of:

Arbeit macht frei

?

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #233 cliffster

"Don't Google That" would be a great idea for a humor site.

237 simoom  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:53:02pm

CPAC Joe Stack joke:

Youtube Video

Human Events editor Jed Babbin: To introduce Governer Pawlenty, let me introduce by good friend Grover Norquist. You know Grover, President of Americans for Tax Reform, most famous, most famous for having people sign the Tax Pledge.
...
And let me just say, I'm really happy to see Grover today, he was getting a little testy in the past couple of weeks and I was just really, really glad it was not him identified as flying that airplane into the IRS building. Grover Norquist!

(h/t Salon)

238 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:53:53pm

re: #235 Olsonist

Am I Godwin'ing myself if I say that FreedomWorks reminds me of:

?

Yeah, I'd say so.

239 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:54:49pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

"Don't Google That" would be a great idea for a humor site.

I'd vote for this one.

240 Lidane  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:54:56pm

re: #237 simoom

Oh yeah. Real funny stuff. I'm sure the room loved it. =P

241 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:55:04pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

"Don't Google That" would be a great idea for a humor site.

I think it could be a game show.

People have to guess why YOU DON'T WANT TO GOOGLE THAT!

242 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:55:30pm
243 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:56:10pm

re: #226 darthstar

I liked "Shoot 'em up"...campy, but fun.

Indeed.
If I'm gonna watch violence I want it over the top, crazy ass stuff like this and Sin City.

Real violence, like what we are watching right now (Hurt Locker) is just too uncomfortable fro me.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:56:21pm

re: #242 cliffster

Why am I not surprised?

245 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:58:19pm

re: #243 webevintage

Indeed.
If I'm gonna watch violence I want it over the top, crazy ass stuff like this and Sin City.

Real violence, like what we are watching right now (Hurt Locker) is just too uncomfortable fro me.

That was a great movie IMHO.

246 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:58:29pm

Evolution if Science Fiction bumper sticker @ CPAC.

247 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 4:58:38pm

re: #243 webevintage

Indeed.
If I'm gonna watch violence I want it over the top, crazy ass stuff like this and Sin City.

Real violence, like what we are watching right now (Hurt Locker) is just too uncomfortable fro me.

Howzabout over-the-top, crazy & disturbing?

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?

Youtube Video
248 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:00:48pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

Why am I not surprised?

Hm...I don't know what cliffster said, but it didn't last two minutes.

249 albusteve  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:01:40pm

CPAC will have to start supporting candidates pretty soon...that's when this whole thing starts to get really interesting...moderate Republicans are going to have some choices to make...we shall see how it shakes out this year

250 albusteve  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:02:01pm

re: #247 Guanxi88

Howzabout over-the-top, crazy & disturbing?

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?


[Video]

no

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:02:03pm

re: #248 darthstar

Hm...I don't know what cliffster said, but it didn't last two minutes.

There was a phone number in the post.

252 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:02:06pm

Okay folks...my wife got free tickets to the Warriors/Jazz game tonight (work related), so I have to go watch a basketball game and sit close to the floor...poor me.

Take care, and play nice.

253 darthstar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:02:36pm

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

There was a phone number in the post.

ah...thanks.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:02:55pm

re: #253 darthstar

ah...thanks.

Enjoy the game.

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:03:47pm

re: #248 darthstar

A boo boo. Address/telephone info of a (company?) that owns the domain name "Don't Google That".

256 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:04:21pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

+1 for one of the best worst movies ever.

How bout one of the worst worst movies ever made.......

Hard to imagine he got funded to make this...... now it's a cult movie shown at midnight where people mock it.

257 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:04:22pm

re: #250 albusteve

no

Neither did Paul Allen. patrick bateman, though, did.

258 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:04:23pm

re: #247 Guanxi88

Howzabout over-the-top, crazy & disturbing?

Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?

I did not like American Psycho...

259 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:04:42pm

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

There was a phone number in the post.

Ha! It was a whois listing. The phone number registered with the domain name, freely available. Good thing THAT got whacked.

260 Gus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:04:49pm

re: #246 Gus 802

Oops, if = is.

Must. Get. Food.

Later.

261 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:05:12pm

re: #258 webevintage

I did not like American Psycho...

Yeah, it, like the novel, is not meant to be liked. It's deliberately as awful as it is.

262 torrentprime  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:05:40pm

re: #206 WindUpBird

yep. If they are percieved as bigoted, they make conservative Democrats out of people who might otherwise be part of their scene.

It's a strategy that will probably help us in the long run but will lead to more tragedy in the short.
Because gays are so much more accepted now in day to day life, the religious right has had to ratchet up the crazy in order to keep the faithful in line: gays not only want to recruit your children these days, but they have as a specific, articulated goal the destruction of the family, marriage as an institution, and a/the church, the weakening of America, the lowering of sexual consent ages across the board, the erosion of America's military, and so on. That's not even counting our desire to teach fisting to kindergardeners and drag priests from the pulpit if they preach Leviticus.
This results in a hardening of opinion against gay rights among a segment of the populace, and the tragic passage of Prop 8 is the best example of this, but eventually, one of these dyed-in-the-wool religious people meets a gay person... and all of the BS they've been told just doesn't seem to apply to the flesh-and-blood friend/uncle/daughter/employee/soldier in front of them. Since many, many of these RR people ARE good people at heart, the lies can't stand up to what they see.

Long-term: awesome. Short-term: painful.

263 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:05:40pm

re: #260 Gus 802

Oops, if = is.

Must. Get. Food.

Later.

no need to apologize, your spelling is fully up to tea party standrads

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:06:12pm

re: #259 cliffster

It's standing policy here not to post phone numbers, addresses, and the like.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:06:20pm

re: #259 cliffster

Ha! It was a whois listing. The phone number registered with the domain name, freely available. Good thing THAT got whacked.

Rules are rules.

266 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:07:24pm

re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:08:56pm

I squatted on a domain name for about 5 years. Never had the time to learn how to set up a site. Still might see if I can still get it.

268 torrentprime  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:09:24pm

re: #261 Guanxi88

Yeah, it, like the novel, is not meant to be liked. It's deliberately as awful as it is.

I couldn't get through the novel, but not for the normal reasons (bored, uninterested, distracted, w/e). I genuinely found parts of the book so disturbing I started skipping the more graphic stuff, and I just couldn't refocus to carry through to the end.

269 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:10:28pm

re: #268 torrentprime

I couldn't get through the novel, but not for the normal reasons (bored, uninterested, distracted, w/e). I genuinely found parts of the book so disturbing I started skipping the more graphic stuff, and I just couldn't refocus to carry through to the end.

It's a good, long look into a dark, dark place. It's not an easy thing at all to read.

270 cliffster  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:10:33pm

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

I squatted on a domain name for about 5 years. Never had the time to learn how to set up a site. Still might see if I can still get it.

Uh oh, looks like furryanimalsarefuninbed.com is now taken by someone else. Sorry..

271 webevintage  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:11:22pm

re: #268 torrentprime

I couldn't get through the novel, but not for the normal reasons (bored, uninterested, distracted, w/e). I genuinely found parts of the book so disturbing I started skipping the more graphic stuff, and I just couldn't refocus to carry through to the end.

I've never tried to read AP, but that is how I felt reading The Road.
It gave me nightmares so I finally just put it aside...

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:11:36pm

re: #268 torrentprime

When that movie came out in Canada there was a big stink because a woman and a man killed a woman and they had that book on the table next to their bed.

273 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:11:40pm

re: #262 torrentprime

It's a strategy that will probably help us in the long run but will lead to more tragedy in the short.
Because gays are so much more accepted now in day to day life, the religious right has had to ratchet up the crazy in order to keep the faithful in line: gays not only want to recruit your children these days, but they have as a specific, articulated goal the destruction of the family, marriage as an institution, and a/the church, the weakening of America, the lowering of sexual consent ages across the board, the erosion of America's military, and so on. That's not even counting our desire to teach fisting to kindergardeners and drag priests from the pulpit if they preach Leviticus.
This results in a hardening of opinion against gay rights among a segment of the populace, and the tragic passage of Prop 8 is the best example of this, but eventually, one of these dyed-in-the-wool religious people meets a gay person... and all of the BS they've been told just doesn't seem to apply to the flesh-and-blood friend/uncle/daughter/employee/soldier in front of them. Since many, many of these RR people ARE good people at heart, the lies can't stand up to what they see.

Long-term: awesome. Short-term: painful.

We still got conservative spokesmen like Rick Santorum who see homosexuality as the moral equivalent of bestiality and child abuse. That view will not go away, even if it is a minority opinion, because they are so vehemently vocal about it.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:13:02pm

re: #142 ralphieboy

Jesus was not a Real man, he was the Son of God.

Fully man and fully God according to the Church.

275 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:13:11pm

re: #256 Mr Pancakes

How bout one of the worst worst movies ever made...

Hard to imagine he got funded to make this... now it's a cult movie shown at midnight where people mock it.

I don't know, any movie that has Monica Bellucci giving some random dude a back alley blow-job, in order to buy a bullet-proof vest for the baby she's caring for, just can't be all bad.

276 cronus  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:13:29pm

Being able to claim that gay marriage or gay rights in general are part of a leftist agenda is the last rhetorical refuge for people like Sorba. GOProud takes that away from him and all political pretense is dropped. His naked bigotry is left fully exposed.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:14:10pm

re: #144 Linden Arden

Actually, the father of conservatism, Edmund Burke, would agree with Sorba on natural rights. Burke wrote -

Now I completely DISAGREE with Burke and Sorba.

My point is that when a conservative talks "natural rights" prepare to hear some real bullshit.

I don't know that I disagree with Burke, I just don't assume that 'no moral tie' excludes gay sex, couples, families, etc.

278 Racer X  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:14:48pm

These morons at CPAC, and frankly most of the GOP right now, make me want to puke.

Idiots.

279 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:15:22pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Fully man and fully God according to the Church.


Real men don't turn the other cheek.


/

280 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:15:44pm

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know that I disagree with Burke, I just don't assume that 'no moral tie' excludes gay sex, couples, families, etc.

Exactly correct - Burke was disputing the State of Nature atomistic individualism that was the theoretical basis for so very many Enlightenment thinkers.

281 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:16:13pm

re: #279 ralphieboy

Real men don't turn the other cheek.

/

The Passion of the Christ Two, Crucify This!

(Family Guy joke)

282 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:16:29pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Fully man and fully God according to the Church.

Until He died and rose from the dead. Then He was fully Zombie.

283 Guanxi88  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:16:55pm

re: #281 jamesfirecat

The Passion of the Christ Two, Crucify This!

(Family Guy joke)

South park - Red Sled Down:

"yea, my children, look upon Me, and know that I AM PACKING!"

284 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:17:13pm

re: #282 Olsonist

Until He died and rose from the dead. Then He was fully Zombie.

No fully vampire, that's why he wants us to drink his blood so we can be immortal like him...

285 torrentprime  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:17:31pm

re: #273 ralphieboy

We still got conservative spokesmen like Rick Santorum who see homosexuality as the moral equivalent of bestiality and child abuse. That view will not go away, even if it is a minority opinion, because they are so vehemently vocal about it.

Yeah, and the Ugandan situation and the wingnut who called for the re-criminalization of homosexuality here in the good ol' USA last week make me scared as to how bad it will get before the house of cards/lies collapses.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:17:56pm

re: #278 Racer X

I know how you feel, Racer, but there is always hope when we have GOP candidates like this one.

287 albusteve  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:18:00pm

re: #278 Racer X

These morons at CPAC, and frankly most of the GOP right now, make me want to puke.

Idiots.

you will survive regardless...politics are more often disturbing than not...imo...if BO can get elected, anything is possible

288 Kragar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:18:19pm

re: #281 jamesfirecat

The Passion of the Christ Two, Crucify This!

(Family Guy joke)

All part 2s of any movie series has to end with Electric Boogaloo.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:18:52pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Real Men Use Swords, Not Guns.
:P

"Swords! Only girls fight with swords these days. We're going to duel with a man's weapon...cannon!

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:18:55pm

re: #284 jamesfirecat

Your thinking of Cain.

291 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:19:27pm

re: #284 jamesfirecat

No fully vampire, that's why he wants us to drink his blood so we can be immortal like him...

Dude, you're supposed to capitalize second person pronouns when referring to the Son of God.

292 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:19:29pm

“The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do.”

Help me here, is the above supposed to be an insult?

293 Kragar  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:19:37pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

"Swords! Only girls fight with swords these days. We're going to duel with a man's weapon...cannon!

I challenge you to herrings at dawn!

294 AK-47%  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:19:56pm

and gandhi ii no more mr passive resistance!

[Link: www.metacafe.com...]

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:20:16pm

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love Jerry Seinfeld's bit on that..."What's up with the Chinese and chopsticks. They've seen the fork. I'm surprised some farmer out in a field with a pitchfork didn't go, 'Hey!'".

They saw the fork, and were not impressed.

296 torrentprime  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:20:18pm

re: #288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All part 2s of any movie series has to end with Electric Boogaloo.

Well....
The best, hands down, has to be Vulcan Love Slave II: The Revenge.

297 albusteve  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:21:14pm

re: #292 b_sharp

“The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do.”

Help me here, is the above supposed to be an insult?

mooo mmoooo

298 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:23:31pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

They saw the fork, and were not impressed.

It's like the Betamax of eating utensils, or something.

299 oldegeezr  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:24:04pm

It looks like Fast Eddy, over at HA, tried to write between the lines last December…

Apparently some of the GOP airheads don't have the good sense to believe in EM anymore…it appears he is losing both his philosophical and political chops…?

Oh my...!

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:24:13pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

Exactly right, Ralph. But in addition, the survival fantasist envisions that the post-nuke world would finally allow him to achieve his true potential; living off the land, keeping riotous minorities at bay with buckshot, making Jews and pointy-headed intellectuals quake in fear, and perhaps surrounding himself with a harem of college babes who would naturally abandon their prissy metrosexual boyfriends for a real man when, well, survival required it.

My response was to ask how much combat he had seen in his life. None at all, it turns out. At least he was honest about that.

Ah. Yes. That guy.

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:25:29pm

re: #219 eclectic infidel

It's always been comfort food to me.

There used to be a place on Telegraph Ave in Berkeley (CA) called the Blue Nile. The food was cheap, fresh, spicy and served by Ethiopian women. Inexpensive delicious food served by beautiful women. I miss that place.

I went there a couple times in college. Wonderful food.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:27:10pm

re: #227 cliffster

I saw that when it got passed around awhile back. Hahaha - "... and also he has blue eyes".

I understand that about 90% of blue-eyed men are straight.

/

303 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:27:12pm

re: #56 keloyd

A lot of people mistake Buchanan's hydrocephaly for a huge brain. You ought to know better.

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:31:13pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

I don't know, any movie that has Monica Bellucci giving some random dude a back alley blow-job, in order to buy a bullet-proof vest for the baby she's caring for, just can't be all bad.

Speaking of which, there is a graphic novel, The Pro, which I really, really want to see turned into an animated feature.

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:33:13pm

re: #284 jamesfirecat

No fully vampire, that's why he wants us to drink his blood so we can be immortal like him...

I once, in discussing kashrut, used the Biblical phrase 'the blood is the life' to the fascination of the person I was talking to, who thought that was original to vampire novels.

306 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:34:01pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

I kind of suspect some girl from Smith turned him down.

And she was nice about it and told him she was sapphic instead of what she really thought: "I don't date troglodytes from the valley of the Neander."

She told a friend, though. And he found out.

He's been the world's biggest butt-hurt ever since.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:34:26pm

re: #292 b_sharp

“The lesbians at Smith College protest better than you do.”

Help me here, is the above supposed to be an insult?

Apparently. I think there's a whole backstory to whatever is going on in the video.

308 solomonpanting  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:38:30pm
the religious right contingent has an antipathy for gay rights

I don't understand. I have it on good authority that Jesus was gay.

309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:39:15pm

re: #247 Guanxi88

FEED ME A STRAY CAT

310 Olsonist  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:44:47pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

This guy needs to get laid desperately.

I think he's in the closet. As a straight guy, I have a difficult time thinking of other straight guys caring that much. We're usually thinking about girls, food or cars. If guys are with other guys, this is viewed as a good thing. If girls are with other girls, some of us pay to watch.

He's in the closet.

311 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 5:57:26pm

Here's Sorba the Geek getting his penis reviewed by the women of Smith College, some of whom are probably lesbians (though it's hard to tell, dude, because it's a women's college), but many of whom are teh hawt.

Youtube Video

Shrinkage factor: Nothing Left To See There.

312 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:17:35pm

re: #311 Cato the Elder

Shows how much they value free speech. Why not let him talk, and then skewer him with tough questions afterwards?

Answer: Because lefty colleges turn people into little stalins, if they're not careful.

313 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:18:13pm

A homophobia cure, for any suffering from same:

Youtube Video
314 Cato the Elder  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:20:35pm

re: #312 The Sanity Inspector

Shows how much they value free speech. Why not let him talk, and then skewer him with tough questions afterwards?

Answer: Because lefty colleges turn people into little stalins, if they're not careful.

If you had bothered to listen, he was riffing on the humsexshul elements in the Nazi movement.

Get it? Humsexshuls are fascists.

Let him speak at your place.

315 keloyd  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:37:05pm

Ok, back now. There may be some gaps in my knowledge about Pat Buchanan. I've never read his books. I am also used to positive karma here. My direct knowledge consists of seeing him be the genial old dinosaur on MSNBC that everyone seems to like. When he and Rachel Maddow debate, they are genuinely friendly. The way he is treated by liberal colleagues who know him personally is inconsistent with him being something akin to David Duke.

Here's the dirt I know beyond his Wiki page - he's blunt, isolationist, and mistaken on many things, but that is not sufficient to prove racism/antisemitism/etc. His occasional comments on Franco and the Spanish civil war while on MSNBC made my jaw drop, not so much in a good way. He supported that alleged Nazi guard Demjanjuk and got a lot of flack for it in the early 90s. Only he and the Israeli court system had the cool heads to see the evidence was vague, and mistaken identity was possible. (More evidence showed up in recent months, so he's back on trial again, but that's another matter.) His recent book about whether Hitler could have been handled better to avoid WW2 sounds hard to defend. Still, the media has mischaracterized complex and nuanced books in the past. That's a close call. Beyond this, how is his behavior in the last 2 decades beyond typical conservative thought? He also was against the Iraq war, so that pays some karma lost from that disconcerting/naive/possible-crypto-Nazi-dog-whistle Hitler book.

Seriously, I'd rather learn something than participate in a flame war. Post some substantive links, and I will take a look late tonight. I will not change my mind after reading "fuck you and your username is teh stoopid" before I've even had my fortifying after hours Guiness. Seriously, I'm not afraid to change my mind.

316 Vambo  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:44:51pm

re: #312 The Sanity Inspector

Shows how much they value free speech. Why not let him talk, and then skewer him with tough questions afterwards?

Answer: Because lefty colleges turn people into little stalins, if they're not careful.

oh, fuck that.

I don't need to another minute of religion-rooted hatespeech from people like Ryan Sorba. I've heard enough for 10 lifetimes. All gay people have. It's all the same, it's all stupid, I can't believe we are still debating whether homosexuality is "natural" or not.

If getting fed up with bigots and zealots makes me a "Stalin", so be it. But it sounds like you don't know WTF you're talking about.

317 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 6:48:08pm

re: #315 keloyd

Here's what I get when I search LGF for "Pat Buchanan"
You can read at your leisure.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

318 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:31:24pm

re: #316 Vambo

oh, fuck that.

I don't need to another minute of religion-rooted hatespeech from people like Ryan Sorba. I've heard enough for 10 lifetimes. All gay people have. It's all the same, it's all stupid, I can't believe we are still debating whether homosexuality is "natural" or not.

If getting fed up with bigots and zealots makes me a "Stalin", so be it. But it sounds like you don't know WTF you're talking about.

He was invited to speak wasn't he? Presumably he was even paid an honorarium (I don't know the particulars). What about the students in the audience who came prepared to cross-examine him with sharp question? They were silenced as surely as he was.

It's no endorsement of his views to invite him to speak. Rather it seems like it would be a fulfillment of the college's once-upon-a-time mission: the disinterested pursuit of knowledge. Let him get up, run his mouth, and have his own words damn him. Instead, the take-away lesson once again was that the campus Left is a mob of censorious red scarf cadres.

319 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:33:35pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

If you had bothered to listen, he was riffing on the humsexshul elements in the Nazi movement.

Get it? Humsexshuls are fascists.

Let him speak at your place.

Sounds like quite a fringe nutter, yes. I'll not willingly go near him.

320 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:43:41pm

Closeted freepers chime in:

Bi-Curious Free Republic

I think it was wrong for the homosexual group to shout Ryan down. Fascist liberal scum are the ones who usually want to shut down free speech. All Ryan wanted to do was speak in support of traditional values - something 99% of Conservatives agree with. Do we really want to teach our kids that it's normal for a male to sexually fetishise the excretory organs of other males? It seems common sense that most people would oppose normalizing homosexual sodomy and AIDS. Yet a bunch of militant thugs were allowed to boo Ryan off the stage. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.
1 posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 8:35:34 PM by DesertRenegade
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To: DesertRenegade

This will not end well.

2 posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 8:37:19 PM by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: DesertRenegade

Ryan Sorba deserves a medal for telling it like it is. Practitioners of homosexuality practice a perversion. Period.

3 posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 8:39:17 PM by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: DesertRenegade

You’re either for traditional family values or you are not.

The GOP needs to be 100% clear on this.

4 posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 8:39:57 PM by Sparky1776

321 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:45:45pm

re: #56 keloyd

Some backstory for you, from when he wasn't so old...

322 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:46:10pm

re: #321 The Sanity Inspector

Some backstory for you, from when he wasn't so old...

Er, this.

323 Vambo  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 7:52:37pm

re: #318 The Sanity Inspector


Instead, the take-away lesson once again was that the campus Left is a mob of censorious red scarf cadres.

That's all you get? Not the fact that people in the audience may have an understandable emotion reaction? No, instead they're all commies?

Piss off. If I was there, I would've much worse.... I'd probably throw my shoe.

324 Vambo  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:04:28pm

re: #313 The Sanity Inspector

A homophobia cure, for any suffering from same:


[Video]

OK I missed that post... LOL. You almost redeemed yourself.

325 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:06:00pm

re: #323 Vambo

That's all you get? Not the fact that people in the audience may have an understandable emotion reaction? No, instead they're all commies?

Piss off. If I was there, I would've much worse... I'd probably throw my shoe.

I expect more than mob mentality from college students, though in these days of "college is for everyone" maybe I shouldn't.

326 Vambo  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:11:44pm

well, I'm glad college is for everyone. I understand what you're saying, but I strongly disagree in this case. Good for them for not listening to more of the same old shit.

327 keloyd  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:33:41pm

re: #322 The Sanity Inspector
Floral Giraffe - I'm still slogging through your list of stuff...

My non-blogging responsibilities kept me from getting back to this Buchanan business til now. "Iconoclastic temperament" is the thing about Pat. I am still letting the brain ruminate on where the line is between nuttiness/iconoclasm and proper antisemitism. OTOH, watch him as a guest on Christ Matthews or Maddow or that morning show. (I don't know watch Olbermann to know if he's ever there.) Liberals seem to really like him now, at least as the lovable crazy uncle. Has he reformed? a bit? How much should we count dirt on him that's 20 years old? Certain hot heads in here seem to think he's another David-Duke, but I need less contradictory evidence for that.

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:31:04pm

re: #318 The Sanity Inspector

He was invited to speak wasn't he? Presumably he was even paid an honorarium (I don't know the particulars). What about the students in the audience who came prepared to cross-examine him with sharp question? They were silenced as surely as he was.

It's no endorsement of his views to invite him to speak. Rather it seems like it would be a fulfillment of the college's once-upon-a-time mission: the disinterested pursuit of knowledge. Let him get up, run his mouth, and have his own words damn him. Instead, the take-away lesson once again was that the campus Left is a mob of censorious red scarf cadres.

Something tells me that if the Klan were marching through your college spewing their septic bilge, you wouldn't just be politely peppering them with tough questions.

But yesh, people who stand up for equal rights are little Stalins. 9_9


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